How to deal with a really bad person?

[RMorgan]

Hello my friends,

I´d like your wise advise about a situation.

My father is married to a woman for about 15 years. Have you ever met a truly bad person? She´s one of those.

She and her family are involved with Macumba, which is a a very serious kind of black majic.

I don´t know if I believe this stuff, but I sure can sense evil on her. She´s absolutely detestable.

My father is a financially successful man and I´m sure she married him for the money, mostly because of her attitudes and because she´s 25 years younger than him.

My father is a good man. He suffered a lot during his life, but he´s a good man.

The thing is, that I can´t find any reason for him to still be married with her. He doesn´t love her, but it seems there´s something really strong attaching him to her.

I really think she´s cast some spells on him, and I think she´s trying to drain his energy slowly, until she finally kills him and get his money.

Now, she´s trying to sabotage my relationship with my father. She´s called me this morning accusing me of spending thousands of dollars with his credit card, which I have just in case of emergencies and I´ve never took a single dollar of it. God, I´m shaking... I could sense the evil on her voice and I can see what she´s planning.

Does anyone here have experienced something similar? Could you give me some advises about how to deal with this situation?

I´ve tried to gently talk to my father about it many times, but he gets extremely angry just to talk about this subject.

I would really appreciate your help, my friends.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Lord Sidious]

How expensive are baseball bats where you live?
Oops, did I say that out loud? :p

[seko]

What you need to do Morgan is to protect yourself against any black magic, don't go after her don't fight her just get protection for yourself against any spell thrown out at you. Black magic is not something that you want to deal with.

Seko

[aranuk]

Hi Raf, sounds like you have a big problem to solve. In my own experience two low moral people with just average intelligence who plot together and tell lies all the time can get the better of a higher moral person and one who is much much more intelligent. This was also indicated to me many years ago while watching my dad's border collie being outsmarted of his meaty bone by two crows. The way they got the bone from the dog was like this: one crow flew down and landed on the grass some 25 ft away and it started walking towards the dog enticing it to chase it. Eventually the dog left his bone and started the chase, the other crow swooped down to get the bone but the dog realised what was happening and turned round and got back to the bone first. This was repeated for about two times more and the last time the dog was biting very close to the tail feathers of the luring bird. The other swooped down with plenty of time to pick up the meaty bone and fly away. The poor outwitted dog looked in the air and must have been cursing them in doggy language. Two "Daft" crows outsmarting intelligent collie. Get my drift Raf? I think you should not be alone and have a few others on your side to deal with your problem. I don't know what can be done, but arm yourself with allies if you can. Maybe a good lawyer and a private eye maybe a suggestion.


Stan

[RMorgan]

What you need to do Morgan is to protect yourself against any black magic, don't go after her don't fight her just get protection for yourself against any spell thrown out at you. Black magic is not something that you want to deal with.

Seko

Thanks Seko.

I know how to deal with my own energetic protection, at least I believe so.

However, I fear for my father´s safety. Since he married her, he looks like a energy drained zombie.

Anyway, I´d love to hear from you and other wise avalonians about different ways to protect myself from such negative energies.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Agape]

Straight as possible ...call your Father and tell him what you've been told by this woman , don't let the suspicions rest on you even for a moment .
Just expose it all, between you and your father .

If he chooses otherwise it is his choice and you can distance yourself from them but don't let things in mists , so later anyone can create stories on what and why has happened.

Whether it's our children or parents ( parents are very much childlike to own children in some aspect ) , people do make strange choices in life sometimes for their own reasons.
It's painful to watch them taking 'lessons' . I suppose that it feels about the same from the other side ..
and it can feel really odd to see these supposed 'elders' wasting their lives and money for something insignificant .




Hug :panda:

[RMorgan]

Hi Raf, sounds like you have a big problem to solve. In my own experience two low moral people with just average intelligence who plot together and tell lies all the time can get the better of a higher moral person and one who is much much more intelligent. This was also indicated to me many years ago while watching my dad's border collie being outsmarted of his meaty bone by two crows. The way they got the bone from the dog was like this: one crow flew down and landed on the grass some 25 ft away and it started walking towards the dog enticing it to chase it. Eventually the dog left his bone and started the chase, the other crow swooped down to get the bone but the dog realised what was happening and turned round and got back to the bone first. This was repeated for about two times more and the last time the dog was biting very close to the tail feathers of the luring bird. The other swooped down with plenty of time to pick up the meaty bone and fly away. The poor outwitted dog looked in the air and must have been cursing them in doggy language. Two "Daft" crows outsmarting intelligent collie. Get my drift Raf? I think you should not be alone and have a few others on your side to deal with your problem. I on't know what can be done, but arm yourself with allies if you can. Maybe a good lawyer and a private eye maybe a suggestion.


Stan

Hi Stan,

Thanks for the advise. I understand your metaphor. :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[araucaria]

Hi Morgan, this sounds pretty awful. I cannot speak from experience, but I want to say a few words in support.

This woman is 'absolutely detestable' you say: just remember hate is not an option as far as you are concerned, try and stand back as far as you need to.

If you have taken no money, then your father will know none has been taken. It sounds like she has been siphoning it off and is trying to put the blame on you. You may want to try and get him to give you access to a separate card that she can't use or no access at all.

If you have a good relationship with your father except on this one subject, you might take this issue to him initially on a theoretical basis only, saying you have this problem with someone completely different, or a friend has. I don't know - but hopefully someone out there will be able to give you more concrete advice.

[Fred Steeves]

Hi RMorgan, my wife and I recently had to deal with a rash of poor decisions made by my dad during a very difficult period in his life, and trust me it wasn't easy. It became painfully obvious soon enough that the best thing we could do was to assist him in any way possible or reasonable, be there for him in his moment(s) of greatest need, and most of all...He's a grown man, don't try and stop him from doing what he sees fit.

The more you love someone, the more you have to set them free.

Best Of Luck And Cheers,
Fred

[NeverMind]

I feel almost silly for saying this, but I think fumigating the place with frankincense (Boswellia carterii) once a week or so would be a good idea.
There is a reason why it has been used to "purify" temples since time immemorial - and it doesn't have to do (not exclusively) with hygiene.
That's all I am going to say at this point.

Or just go with Lord Sidious's advice.

:)

Seriously, all the best to you and to your father.


P.S. Frankincense provides serious medicinal benefits, too, for all sorts of ailments, so your father could use it, anyway.
And it provides a good excuse for the funny smell around the house, should he need one. :-)

[RMorgan]

Straight as possible ...call your Father and tell him what you've been told by this woman , don't let the suspicions rest on you even for a moment .
Just expose it all, between you and your father .

If he chooses otherwise it is his choice and you can distance yourself from them but don't let things in mists , so later anyone can create stories on what and why has happened.

Whether it's our children or parents ( parents are very much childlike to own children in some aspect ) , people do make strange choices in life sometimes for their own reasons.
It's painful to watch them taking 'lessons' . I suppose that it feels about the same from the other side ..
and it can feel really odd to see these supposed 'elders' wasting their lives and money for something insignificant .




Hug :panda:

Thanks my friend Agape,

I´ve already done that. However, he reacted like a Zombie. It seems she´s got complete control over him.

I don´t know what to do.

They live on the other side of the country, so I just can´t approach him personally and talk to him about it.

She´s also sent me a very offensive email and I´ve replied it very politely, but sharply, with a copy to my father.

The thing is that she wants me to write a letter to the credit card company saying that I haven´t spent the money, but I just can´t take any responsibility over these expenses until I know if someone else (she) legitimate spent these money somehow. I might be not the only one who have access to this credit card number, get it?

The credit card might got cloned indeed, but I have to be sure about it before signing an official letter that lately, might be used against me in justice...Maybe it´s just part of her plan, but I´m smarter than that.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Maia Gabrial]

What evil and darkness are VERY afraid of is LOVE and LIGHT. Surround yourself and your dad with it ALL THE TIME. Send it to HER every chance you get. Think love and light. Feel love and light. Programmed Orgonites and Crystals are good things to help you, too.
I'm very positive that Love and Light will work against black magic. Ask your Higher Self, your Guides and your Angels to assist you because they can increase it 100 fold. This would be higher than ANY magic on the planet. This evil is not something you can fight by yourself either, that's why I recommend getting their help. I know this works because I've done it myself. And it may even free your dad's mind from the dark spell....and he'll send her on her way.
Hope this advice helps, RM.

On the other hand, if you buy into her evil, then it'll be real for you. You are just as powerful as her.

[Star1111]

R.Morgan
This woman can't affect you if you don't believe in her 'powers' or fear her. If you do, then she will be able to affect you. Her power is only power because of your fear...... fear feeds evil.
When you are around her keep affirming to yourself "the LOVE of God protects me, the LOVE of God surrounds me, wherever I am God is and all is well". She probably won't be able to get 'in' then.
Your Father, who I have no doubt is a wonderful human being has made the choice to be with her so this is his path and he must walk it.

There's lots of good advice here and I would say that you should speak to your Father and let him know what she does, without letting her know that you have spoken to your Father (unless he confronts her of course..........then she'll know)

Just observe her and don't let her see that you are observing her or she will go 'underground'.

If you have the funds and you are really sure that she might be doing something harmful to your Father then get a private detective to monitor her movements, if you think she might be that dangerous.

If your Father gets angry when you talk with him about her, the likelihood is that he is already aware but perhaps feels embarrased or ashamed at his choice. OR he might really love her and doesn't want to 'see'.

There are none so blind as those who don't want to see

A difficult one, but I hope you find a way.

Much LOVE to you.

[RMorgan]

Thank you so much for the wise advises everyone! Avalon is truly a great place, with great people.

I´m feeling much better now, but please, keep sending positive energies towards me!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Star1111]

Thank you so much for the wise advises everyone! Avalon is truly a great place, with great people.

I´m feeling much better now, but please, keep sending positive energies towards me!

Cheers,

Raf.

Coming over ((((x)))))

[Agape]

Thanks my friend Agape,

I´ve already done that. However, he reacted like a Zombie. It seems she´s got complete control over him.

I don´t know what to do.

They live on the other side of the country, so I just can´t approach him personally and talk to him about it.

She´s also sent me a very offensive email and I´ve replied it very politely, but sharply, with a copy to my father.

The thing is that she wants me to write a letter to the credit card company saying that I haven´t spent the money, but I just can´t take any responsibility over these expenses until I know if someone else (she) legitimate spent these money somehow. I might be not the only one who have access to this credit card number, get it?

The credit card might got cloned indeed, but I have to be sure about it before signing an official letter that lately, might be used against me in justice...Maybe it´s just part of her plan, but I´m smarter than that.

Cheers,

Raf.


Thanks for sharing these details Raf ( Rafael ?) ,

sounds like bad situation . None of your responsibility truly, your fathers , that is .

You don't have to issue any such a statement and feel threatened , Banks create records of all your purchases and dealings on account,
it is disgusting in a way but it's also for yours and theirs control. If you've picked up money in San Diego ATM, it's recorded in the bank, if you payed for 3 teddys in Lego Land it's written there too.

So in a way ..living in another part of country, makes it easier to track what has happened ..for your Father , he has full access to the bank statements .

Secondly ..he's also responsible for whom he's giving the access ..


And not being able to speak to him in person is BIG mistake in this case ..sorry..it's how it is. You'd better pack yourself which they probably want you to do anyway and go to speak about it .

Your dad can be plainly tired and ill, that's why his zombie attitude . And the woman, no matter what kind of 'witchcraft' is she involved in ..is also just a caring protective mother who with most probability would like to see you as well
and make sure that all is fine .



The most important is perhaps ..keep calm.



:panda:

[Decibellistics]

I would cancel the credit card dude. Also, take this into consideration......

A petty tyrant is a tormentor.......Someone who either holds the power of life and death over warriors or simply annoys them to distraction.'--Don Juan

Nothing can temper the spirit of a warrior as much as the challenge of dealing with impossible people in positions of power. Only under those conditions can warriors acquire the sobriety and serenity to stand the pressure of the unknowable.
The perfect ingredient for the making of a superb seer is a petty tyrant with unlimited prerogatives. Seers have to go to extremes to find a worthy one. Most of the time they have to be satisfied with very small fry. Then warriors develop a strategy using the four attributes of warriorship: control, discipline, forbearance, and timing.

He said that what the new seers had in mind was a deadly manoeuvre in which the petty tyrant is like a mountain peak and the attributes of warriorship are like climbers who meet at the summit.

Control and discipline refer to an inner state. A warrior is self-oriented, not in a selfish way but in the sense of a total examination of the self.
Forbearance and timing are not quite an inner state. They are in the domain of the man of knowledge.
The idea of using a petty tyrant is not only for perfecting the warrior's spirit, but also for enjoyment and happiness. Even the worst tyrants can bring delight, provided, of course, that one is a warrior.
The mistake average men make in confronting petty tyrants is not to have a strategy to fall back on; the fatal flaw is that average men take themselves too seriously; their actions and feelings, as well as those of the petty tyrants, are all-important. Warriors, on the other hand, not only have a well-thought-out strategy, but are free from self-importance. What restrains their self-importance is that they have understood that reality is an interpretation we make.
Petty tyrants take themselves with deadly seriousness while warriors do not. What usually exhausts us is the wear and tear on our self-importance. Any man who has an iota of pride is ripped apart by being made to feel worthless.
To tune the spirit when someone is trampling on you is called control. Instead of feeling sorry for himself a warrior immediately goes to work mapping the petty tyrant's strong points, his weaknesses, his quirks of behaviour.
To gather all this information while they are beating you up is called discipline. A perfect petty tyrant has no redeeming feature.
Forbearance is to wait patiently--no rush, no anxiety--a simple, joyful holding back of what is due.
A warrior knows that he is waiting and what he is waiting for. Right there is the great joy of warriorship.
Timing is the quality that governs the release of all that is held back. Control, discipline, and forbearance are like a dam behind which everything is pooled. Timing is the gate in the dam.
Forbearance means holding back with the spirit something that the warrior knows is rightfully due. It doesn't mean that a warrior goes around plotting to do anybody mischief, or planning to settle past scores. Forbearance is something independent. As long as the warrior has control, discipline, and timing, forbearance assures giving whatever is due to whoever deserves it.
To be defeated by a small-fry petty tyrant is not deadly, but devastating. Warriors who succumb to a small-fry petty tyrant are obliterated by their own sense of failure and unworthiness.
Anyone who joins the petty tyrant is defeated. To act in anger, without control and discipline, to have no forbearance, is to be defeated.
After warriors are defeated they either regroup themselves or they abandon the quest for knowledge and join the ranks of the petty tyrants for life.

Your father has consented to this behaviour, which means that he has to gain enough personal power to break the chains she and he have constructed for themselves. I would recommend making her feel like a ****ing idiot about anything she thinks is important. Because at heart, she probably is a idiot. Also, she is simply practicing manipulation, control, and attempting to blackmail people. The easiest way to deal with this, is to confront this person once you have given her enough rope to hang herself with.

Magic is simply intent. And you can utilize your Intent to manifest anything in your reality.....but you have to act on your intent. This just a game, have fun with it.......don't take her seriously.....because the only reason she has any power, is because your father has agreed to it.....and don't build her up in your own mind......otherwise you will fail in your endeavors. It's like mental chess....and spotting psychopaths is super easy.......in order to deal with a psychopath.......you let them know that you don't give a **** about what they think is important to them.......because they want to attempt to hook you into their world of importance.......

Or maybe I'm crazy......take it as you may........take care and good luck.........ultimately though......the decision comes down to your father........you can only shine the light on the matter.

Basically, you have to bait this woman....because she is a mirror for you and your father, and will tell you your own inner weaknesses.....good luck amigo much love

[RMorgan]

Thanks for such great advises Agape and Decibellistics.

I´ve just got access to the details of the expenses.

What got my attention is that there´s U$1.225,00 spent on an Apple Store. So, I´ve called Apple for details and they said that, for such expenses to be made in US Dollars, they would have to be made from another country or directly from an Apple product.

Well, I don´t have any Apple product and I´m not abroad.

However, I have an 18 years old half-brother (my father´s and her´s son) which is quite irresponsible. He´s a very spoiled boy, a computer game geek and, guess what, he´s got an iPhone and an iPad...

So I guess his mother is just trying to blame me for his incorrect conduct...

Cheers,

Raf (Rafael indeed, Agape)

[Star1111]

Thanks for such great advises Agape and Decibellistics.

I´ve just got access to the details of the expenses.

What got my attention is that there´s U$1.225,00 spent on an Apple Store. So, I´ve called Apple for details and they said that, for such expenses to be made in US Dollars, they would have to be made from another country or directly from an Apple product.

Well, I don´t have any Apple product and I´m not abroad.

However, I have an 18 years old half-brother (my father´s and her´s son) which is quite irresponsible. He´s a very spoiled boy, a computer game geek and, guess what, he´s got an iPhone and an iPad...

So I guess his mother is just trying to blame me for his incorrect conduct...

Cheers,

Raf (Rafael indeed, Agape)

Raf - Let your Father (not the mother of your 1/2 brother) know this!! Send an email or make a call that starts with "just to let you know................."

[misericordia]

Oi Raf.

Brasileira aqui! :) I think that macumba is a very serious issue and I have had family and friends in Brasil that have experienced curses placed on them. I agree with others when they say that you must surround yourself as well as your father with light,love and positive thoughts etc but I think for something like this it would be wise to perhaps go to a Spiritist Centre (Centro Espirita) in Belo Horizonte and have a consultation with one of the mediums there. Perhaps try and bring your father with you?

I also found a site in Portuguese that might be helpful.
http://www.sobrenatural.org/materia/detalhar/4115/rituais_contra_mau_olhado_macumba_e_feiticos/

Some Centro Espiritas in Belo Horizonte:
http://www.mocidade.cemfs.org.br/
http://www.fundacaoespiritacarita.org.br/home/Default.aspx
http://www.feig.org.br/

[RMorgan]

Olá Misericórdia,

Obrigado pelos conselhos! :)

Yes, I´m considering going to a Spiritist Center indeed. There´s one near my house and people say it´s a pretty good one.

I just read the website, and I´ll try some of these rituals. I´ve done some of them in the past and they work, specially bathing with sea-salt.

Thank you again!

Cheers,

Rafa.

[misericordia]

De nada!

I'm glad to hear that there's one near your house. Also, when you're there I'd recommend you both do the 'passe' treatment if possible.

I wish you and your father luck and I'll send you positive vibrations.

Boa sorte!

[Carmody]

how could 'bath salts' possibly do anything?

here's how:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34828-Experts---Push-For-Lithium-To-Be-Added-To-Our-Drinking-Water&p=356593&viewfull=1#post356593

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34686-Advice-on-monotomic-gold-please....&p=355795&viewfull=1#post355795

and so on.

Salt is a ph differential. Ph differential is the chemical version of an electrical potential or differential. On the quantum or individual molecule or atom to atom level. which is where the dimensional action happens.

this takes you to the 'question of lithium' thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&highlight=question+lithium

Some need to have the science of it explained before they can even find something for their belief and knowledge system to cling to. Otherwise, it's just 'insanity' to them.

Other people know better. Specifically..... the PTB and their machinations.

it HAS to be sea salt, due to the method of molecular accumulation, the way the salts form and link, they charge and separate differently. they are an entirely different molecule than 'table salt' which is rock. which is how it re-links and reforms in your body, killing you, by forming glassified rocks your veinous and arterial linings.

Sea Salt will never do this sort of thing to your body, at any level of consumption.

NEVER eat anything with 'salt' in it's contents. Like fast food, or any prepared or canned food, made by someone else.

Sea salt is, once again, a different molecule than table salt. table salt has been falsely called salt, by a PTB system, so it can be added to your diet to kill you.

Real salt, is sea salt, which is formed by a process similar to vapor deposition, molecular layer by molecular layer. This is a form of ph differential deposition, ie, like a monatomic gold, it is CHARGED to a certain level.

Like the monatomics, it comes in a crystalline form (from it's original method of accumulation), and you grind off what you need. In this way it is still charged or linked, when you go to use it.
The charge dissipates fast, so only grind what you intend to use. JUST LIKE monatomic gold, in real practice.

Always grind your own sea salt, from the largest naturally formed granules you can obtain.

This is part of the reason the PTB took over the dead sea area.

It is the most potent and largest storehouse of such, in the known world.

The most powerful of it...forms on the dimensional crossing points, or ley lines. Not only does it form, it has the vibration of the dimensional crossing within it's very form and charge level.

Which is the why of the takeover of the great salt lake, in utah. the powerful salts form on the ley lines.

See here. those are ley lines,from the becker-hagens ley line and vortex grid map. The lake in the middle of the image, is the Great Salt lake, of the USA state of Utah.:

[Ria]

Please if all of us could ask for healing, truth, love clarity and protection for RMorgan an angel will pick up on it and help you out.
much love to. Do not take on the the negative of the situation.

[Margi]

Hello, Morgan
I sincerely sympathize and I want to help you ...
Much easier to say than to do it ...
We are constantly faced with challenges that are important for our spiritual growth.
It is difficult to implement the theory.
Try to deal with negative emotions. Ask yourself what in this situation is positive for you, what is the lesson. Perhaps humility and acceptance of people without condemnation? Understand that good and evil are concepts with which our mind works?
Nevertheless, I would try to send positive energy to this woman. Unconditional love is the best protection. When changing our thinking, we change and the world around us. Then we will not be reinserted in the same situation. Anger will only worsen the situation.

This does not mean you can sit idly by. Any action to undertake, they must be accompanied by awareness of the events below the surface, their understanding, acceptance and release.
This I have experienced it many times.
I send you a smile and warm attitude, I hope you feel it. :) :thumb:
regards

[Mark]

Hi Raf, just a few simple things to add on:

1) Keep your intentions upon the highest potentiality for all outcomes in this situation.

2) respect your father's free will and this woman's free will to make their own life decisions, if you step into that then you are taking responsibility for karma that is not yours.

3) remain honest and open and sharing all communications with your father but do not descend into 'he said she said'.

4) do not ever ever argue or fight with her you will not win it is her domain do not do it.

5) if your father wishes it, send him energy, always keep him in your prayers, watch your own emotional state, keep up your shield even when email her or on the phone and hope for the best outcome.

All the best to you and yours.

[Davidallany]

This a common situation amigo. Your father has wealth and a woman got access to your father for 15 years now. For most men and a lots of women the sex partner is more important than anything else. She may appear mean to you, but she is the sweetest thing when with him, giving him affection and whisper sweet nothingness, guaranteed. Because she has been giving him sexual and emotional security for 15 years.

But It is more usual than not, that when a woman wins the heart of a man, she will try to use him as a sword and shield, without him noticing. Similar to the situation with a youngest child in a family, that usually gets his way, because he's so sweet.

Your best option is either to make peace with her or to get out of her way.
If you're concerned about your father, know that he's older and wiser than you. He could handle himself.
If you're concerned about his wealth, then you don't need to. Unless he decide to give you some and she interfer with what he has given you.

I suggest you move on and let them be. If you're still with them, leave. Ask your father to give you a piece of land or a house or money to start your business.

I am truly sorry that you have been suffering, I would have suggested a spiritual approach, but I know it's not your type at e moment.
Your dad loves you.

[RMorgan]

Thank you so much my Avalonian friends!! :)

I can´t express how happy I am about receiving so many wise advises and good energies!

I thank you for spending a few minutes helping me here! I feel very relieved...

This forum is a great place to accelerate personal growth!!

Cheers,

Raf.

[Kristo]

Hello Raf,
I once worked for a woman who was the epitome of an Energetic Vampire. A wise co-worker who was very spiritual suggested this, I found it profoundly helpful and will pass this along to you:

Imagine the energy of Creator coming in through your crown chakra and flowing out through you... those negative people can suck-away all they want at no expense to you since there is an infinite supply. The key is to let this energy/love keep flowing through you... You already have your protective energetic bubble around you...

As far as your father, you can offer to communicate through his Higher Self. I have done this on occasion when someone was not open to something. I don't believe it's okay to violate one's free will, but sending loving energy via his Higher Self to do whatever he/she/it pleases is done as an act of love. Like Rahkyt stated, if your intent is for the highest outcome for all involved there is little else you should expect of yourself to do.

Blessings,
Kris

[TWINCANS]

Oi Raf.

Brasileira aqui! :) I think that macumba is a very serious issue and I have had family and friends in Brasil that have experienced curses placed on them. I agree with others when they say that you must surround yourself as well as your father with light,love and positive thoughts etc but I think for something like this it would be wise to perhaps go to a Spiritist Centre (Centro Espirita) in Belo Horizonte and have a consultation with one of the mediums there. Perhaps try and bring your father with you?

I also found a site in Portuguese that might be helpful.
http://www.sobrenatural.org/materia/detalhar/4115/rituais_contra_mau_olhado_macumba_e_feiticos/

Some Centro Espiritas in Belo Horizonte:
http://www.mocidade.cemfs.org.br/
http://www.fundacaoespiritacarita.org.br/home/Default.aspx
http://www.feig.org.br/


Yes, your father has agreed to be with her but perhaps now he has no choice. As I understand it, the sexual connection puts one at certain risk for manipulation on unseen levels by the other party. Likely from your description of your father's demeanor, the 'chord' needs to be broken before he can even start to regain his own personal power. Sorcery can be strong stuff. Having some advice from these others who know her 'magic' would certainly not hurt.

[cloud9]

Hi RMorgan,
I've read all posts here and I still have something nagging me... if this woman married your father because of his money, how come they have been together for so long?

The point I want to make is this: if she just wanted the money, she is into black magic and she is such a bad evil person, why is your father still alive? That evil person could have had your father killed or something else long ago or even she could just divorce him and take a good amount from that and merrily go with her good fortune.... but she is still with him...

It's very hard to live with somebody who you don't like or love for such a long time... perhaps she is not that evil and she loves your father in her own way or loved him before when they both were younger.

If she is really evil and just wants the money, she could have chosen a faster way to get it but she is getting older beside him...

[RMorgan]

Hi RMorgan,
I've read all posts here and I still have something nagging me... if this woman married your father because of his money, how come they have been together for so long?

The point I want to make is this: if she just wanted the money, she is into black magic and she is such a bad evil person, why is your father still alive? That evil person could have had your father killed or something else long ago or even she could just divorce him and take a good amount from that and merrily go with her good fortune.... but she is still with him...

It's very hard to live with somebody who you don't like or love for such a long time... perhaps she is not that evil and she loves your father in her own way or loved him before when they both were younger.

If she is really evil and just wants the money, she could have chosen a faster way to get it but she is getting older beside him...

Hi cloud9! These are good questions.

Well, I think that, if she asked for divorce, she would get out with pretty much nothing. My father is a very connected man and could pay for a good lawyer. He´s a friend of several important persons of the system.

My mother asked my father for divorce when I was a kid. She´s got out with almost nothing, so I think this woman is afraid of falling in the same situation.

As for killing him, I guess she´s just afraid of going to jail. Me and my older brother, who share the same point of view about her, have made her aware many times that we know about her plans.

She´s not clever at all, by the way, however, she perceives herself as the most clever person in the world, which is her greatest weakness.

She´s a bad person, but I guess she´s not ready to give the next step into the cruelty scale, which is murder. So, she turns out to the occult hoping it will solve this matters to her.

Cheers,

Raf.

[cloud9]

Well, what I'm trying to say here is that perhaps she is not as bad as she appears to be... some times such behaviors are a mask for weakness, insecurity and fear.

[sygh]

how could 'bath salts' possibly do anything?

here's how:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34828-Experts---Push-For-Lithium-To-Be-Added-To-Our-Drinking-Water&p=356593&viewfull=1#post356593

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34686-Advice-on-monotomic-gold-please....&p=355795&viewfull=1#post355795

and so on.

Salt is a ph differential. Ph differential is the chemical version of an electrical potential or differential. On the quantum or individual molecule or atom to atom level. which is where the dimensional action happens.

this takes you to the 'question of lithium' thread.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17872-The-Question-of-Lithium--Alchemy-dimensions-shapeshifters-aliens-existence-reality..-&highlight=question+lithium

Some need to have the science of it explained before they can even find something for their belief and knowledge system to cling to. Otherwise, it's just 'insanity' to them.

Other people know better. Specifically..... the PTB and their machinations.

it HAS to be sea salt, due to the method of molecular accumulation, the way the salts form and link, they charge and separate differently. they are an entirely different molecule than 'table salt' which is rock. which is how it re-links and reforms in your body, killing you, by forming glassified rocks your veinous and arterial linings.

Sea Salt will never do this sort of thing to your body, at any level of consumption.

NEVER eat anything with 'salt' in it's contents. Like fast food, or any prepared or canned food, made by someone else.

Sea salt is, once again, a different molecule than table salt. table salt has been falsely called salt, by a PTB system, so it can be added to your diet to kill you.

Real salt, is sea salt, which is formed by a process similar to vapor deposition, molecular layer by molecular layer. This is a form of ph differential deposition, ie, like a monatomic gold, it is CHARGED to a certain level.

Like the monatomics, it comes in a crystalline form (from it's original method of accumulation), and you grind off what you need. In this way it is still charged or linked, when you go to use it.
The charge dissipates fast, so only grind what you intend to use. JUST LIKE monatomic gold, in real practice.

Always grind your own sea salt, from the largest naturally formed granules you can obtain.

This is part of the reason the PTB took over the dead sea area.

It is the most potent and largest storehouse of such, in the known world.

The most powerful of it...forms on the dimensional crossing points, or ley lines. Not only does it form, it has the vibration of the dimensional crossing within it's very form and charge level.

Which is the why of the takeover of the great salt lake, in utah. the powerful salts form on the ley lines.

See here. those are ley lines,from the becker-hagens ley line and vortex grid map. The lake in the middle of the image, is the Great Salt lake, of the USA state of Utah.:

Thank you for this very informative information Carmody. Quite an awakening bit of info. And this is also something Ghandi knew as well?

[TigaHawk]

Hello my friends,

I´d like your wise advise about a situation.

My father is married to a woman for about 15 years. Have you ever met a truly bad person? She´s one of those.

She and her family are involved with Macumba, which is a a very serious kind of black majic.

I don´t know if I believe this stuff, but I sure can sense evil on her. She´s absolutely detestable.

My father is a financially successful man and I´m sure she married him for the money, mostly because of her attitudes and because she´s 25 years younger than him.

My father is a good man. He suffered a lot during his life, but he´s a good man.

The thing is, that I can´t find any reason for him to still be married with her. He doesn´t love her, but it seems there´s something really strong attaching him to her.

I really think she´s cast some spells on him, and I think she´s trying to drain his energy slowly, until she finally kills him and get his money.

Now, she´s trying to sabotage my relationship with my father. She´s called me this morning accusing me of spending thousands of dollars with his credit card, which I have just in case of emergencies and I´ve never took a single dollar of it. God, I´m shaking... I could sense the evil on her voice and I can see what she´s planning.

Does anyone here have experienced something similar? Could you give me some advises about how to deal with this situation?

I´ve tried to gently talk to my father about it many times, but he gets extremely angry just to talk about this subject.

I would really appreciate your help, my friends.

Cheers,

Raf.


Be calm, request you're father call the bank himself and request a location and specific card on which the transaction was made. Each card has an ID and they can tell exactly where the money was withdrawn from, and a time, and chances are they'd have the machine taken a photograph. IF she accuses you of that again just say look, i have nothing to hide, rather than accuse me how about we all go to the bank together and have the bank manager go thru logs/surveilance footage and/or online purchase details.


Unfortunately with most people, they know the truth themselves but refuze to believe it, because they're holding onto some glimmer of hope that its not true and everyhting will be as they hope. I suggest you not press too hard with you're dad about her, if she's manipulative she'll try to pin you as the one that's trying to break them up which will make him hold on stronger.

And yes - they do identify each card - even copies of the same card - uniquely so they can tell exactly which specific card was used.

best of luck that it all works out ok!

[jagman]

I disagree with cloud9 assessment of this situation, Opportunists pick their moment to strike! I was by no means rich but when I
was 27 years old, I had a house bought and paid for, I had 2 cars and a nice truck also paid for and about 30 grand in the bank!
And it all came to an end in one day! Kind of like Atlantis lol

But the true treachery of it all was? It came from someone who I loved with all my heart!
Just because she has not struck yet, Doesnt mean she wont!
Be on guard RMorgan This women clearly wants to drive a wedge between you and your father!
Dont play her game! Play yours!
Sending you good energy and thoughts

[CdnSirian]

Whew. I've been through this type of stuff. Sounds like you are legally O.K., and I wish to reinforce that you are spiritually O.k. You get what's going on. You must follow through with any paperwork or documents to protect yourself. Search "elderly abuse" in your area. Look for legal organizations that could help.

And, "just spiritually", this has worked for me. I do certain meditations for myself, to put up boundaries between myself and certain Narcissistic and (professionally diagnosed) sociopathic persons in my life. At this time, they affect me little, but affect another family member more. So I do my own meditation, in my own space, and I imagine that this other family member is sitting beside me and doing the meditation with me. We are holding hands, clasping elbows, leaning on each other, whatever.

I have seen this make more of an effect for them than for me. There is only One Mind. Do what you can this way, do not get discouraged. Power to you!

[DouglasDanger]

You cannot assault threaten or intimidate her in anyway, all these will reflect badly on your image towards your father. Not to mention what it does to your karma..
Talk to your father.. do not confront, or give your father any ultimatums this will also push him to her side,
Bring your evidence and do not get emotional with your step mother when presenting your evidence to your father, you have to be very calm grown up and keep your distance from getting into arguments with her even if she baits you, you do not have time to argue with her...
When she screams and yells and accuses with out your father present, this is the best time to have a recording device on your person, get evidence that she is overly abusive to you so you can present it at a later time.
Mostly smile at her and be nice, it drives demons crazy when your overly nice for no reason, they all assume agenda because thats what they do act nice and polite then stab you in the back when it suits them..
As for the macumba.. and looking ill, Dad may just be over worked and underplayed.. see if you can get him and your little irresponsable half brother away for a fishing trip or boys weekend away, make sure the entire time you mention nothing about his and her relationship because its not about that nore is it about teaming up with your father on your little half bro.. Its about restablishing/ cementing your bond with him your half brother and creating a image of how your little brother should behave in the future.

Evil people exist for a reason, for you to experience them and learn how to properly deal with one.

and if none of that works.. alluminum louisville slugger with a 12 inch grip.. wood does not make a nice Ting! and the reverb through the ungripped handle may be painfull to your wrists.... ha!...

[sandy]

Dear RMorgan,

Some people are just plain old manipulators and will do so to get their needs met. The one thing I see is some divide and conquer behavior happening and if you love your Father and want him in your life don't fall into the trap of divide and conquer>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>as to do this one must create sides and try and win the other to their side.

If I were in your shoes I would return the credit card to your Father with a nice note indicating you understand there is some discrepacies going on with the card and from you investigations you have found the following purchases of which you are not responsible. Ie IPad and Ipod, out of the country..........................

I would reassure my Father that our relationship is far more important than money could ever buy. I would also share that the reason for returning his credit card would be that I would never want to put my integrity and love for him and the value of our relationship at risk.

End result>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>No divide/No conquer!!!!

Just some food for thought :)

[Daughter of Time]

Any spell that can be cast, can also be undone.
You must find someone who has the ability do undo what this woman has done to your father.
Unfortunately, these things work best when the person under the spell agrees to be set free, which your father, seems unable or unwilling to do.
Still, find a legitimate being who is able to break spells.
Killing her might be tempting but definitely not the answer, as I'm sure you agree.
The answer is out there somewhere. Set yourself out to find it. Expressing your concerns here is a good start. Good luck!

[Carolin]

Wood chipper and a bag of lyme...oh if only there was no Karma. Seriously though, I've learnt the hard way that crazy people are unpredictable. You can send them love and light and forgive, forgive, forgive but meanwhile they are plotting their next attack. Some people are just evil. My advice would be to stay away from her as much as possible. Send your Dad some love and strengthen the bonds you have with him.

[Laurel]

1) Keep your intentions upon the highest potentiality for all outcomes in this situation.

2) respect your father's free will and this woman's free will to make their own life decisions, if you step into that then you are taking responsibility for karma that is not yours.

3) remain honest and open and sharing all communications with your father but do not descend into 'he said she said'.

4) do not ever ever argue or fight with her you will not win it is her domain do not do it.

5) if your father wishes it, send him energy, always keep him in your prayers, watch your own emotional state, keep up your shield even when email her or on the phone and hope for the best outcome.


Rahkyt, I completely agree with you from first hand experience.

My sisters and I just went through a very similar experience with my father and his girlfriend of 5 years. He recently passed away a little more than a month ago, and the things she has done in the past and recently are truly terrible. Her latest thing just last week was to fold up pictures of my daughter and mail them to me with a note stating that my father would be ashamed of me (her exact words).

My sisters and I respected my father's decisions about her while he was alive, and we have not given any energy to this women since the funeral. Not only will arguing not help us win, but would give her the reaction she craves.

Ok.... I have had fantasies about the baseball bat... I'm not *completely* innocent. :whip:

[Nani]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77WmMFO27yo&feature=feedu

Raf,

My advice would be
1. when you think of her send her love as ridiculous it may sound it work miracles. Sending her love instead of feeling fear of her empowers you.
2. See the Dolores Cannon interview ( I am sending you the link) listen what she says about getting rid of certain people.
3. Get closer to your father, when you alk to him NEVER acuse her, use words like " I invite you to consider that ........." to every action there is a reaction, so if you push the result is a push back, if you invite his mind to another point of view you offer a wider range of possibilities.
4.Again DO NOT FEAR. Empower yourself by being calm and try to stay in the Now, don´t reinforce your idea of she being a bad person because that is what ypu get of her, beleive me that is the wa it works.

Blessings
Bendiciones.

Nani

Blessin

[RMorgan]

Wow!! I´m really impressed on how many of you, my friends avalonians, have got involved and willing to help with my problem!

Thank you so much for your help and advises! It´s so good to find so much help in just a single place!

Well, if one thing is unanimous here, is love. I guess I´ll stick to it and use the power of love and compassion as a weapon against evil. I´ll also start to send good energies daily to my father during meditation.

Anyway, I´ll look for the help of people who know how to deal better with such aspects of the occult. I´ve learned along my life that´s never good to underestimate these things.

Thank you again, again and again, my friends.

I wish only the best to all of you!

Cheers,

Raf.

[truth4me]

Thanks for such great advises Agape and Decibellistics.

I´ve just got access to the details of the expenses.

What got my attention is that there´s U$1.225,00 spent on an Apple Store. So, I´ve called Apple for details and they said that, for such expenses to be made in US Dollars, they would have to be made from another country or directly from an Apple product.

Well, I don´t have any Apple product and I´m not abroad.

However, I have an 18 years old half-brother (my father´s and her´s son) which is quite irresponsible. He´s a very spoiled boy, a computer game geek and, guess what, he´s got an iPhone and an iPad...

So I guess his mother is just trying to blame me for his incorrect conduct...

Cheers,

Raf (Rafael indeed, Agape) Energy vampire of the worst kind she seems to be. If I sense an energy vampire around me I get away and fast. Now honesty is the best policy IMO. Tell your father that you've touched nothing if he asks and leave it at that. Remember you have a half brother with him and her and he will love him as you since both are sons.


As far as spell casting it is another form of mind control. Some people"feel" as though they need to "control" people and the sad part about that is they are everywhere and in all walks of life. Plus some people like being controlled. Myself ---oh no,my mind is mine and I will not allow knowingly any manipulation by mind or money nor sex to influence me. Now don't get me wrong I work for a living and bills must be paid but I won't lie for anyone ,unless of course my 5- year old grandson has been up all day then I might use a fake "yawn" to get him in the sleep mood where I can get him sleepy.......you get the point.

[BMJ]

Anyway, I´ll look for the help of people who know how to deal better with such aspects of the occult. I´ve learned along my life that´s never good to underestimate these things.

Your on the right track Raf light & love and fluffy stuff is not going to help you, she is playing unfair and for keeps and you dad maybe be under a spell, been there and it is a possibility, so you need to come to the game better equipped, (or like Lord Sid said at the least bring a baseball bat).

[christian]

There might be Karma involved with their relationship. Someone who seems to be a perfectly decent person in this life may still have to repay past karma.

I hope, you can discern where to help your father and also his wife and where you have to let them be.

[<8>]

Hi Morgan...

To make a long story short, I once i did the opposite that normally take place..

I apologise for any behavior I might have offended the person with, then I invited the person out for dinner and a big cake for desert, to celebrate that we are about to get to be beest friends.

I never heard from this person again, later i found out he had left town..

This is 100% true story, But i have to admit this was one of the weird things i have done, when all the fibers in me wanted to do the opposite....

Much love to you Morgan....

[christian]

Awesome story <8>, the other person might have been creeped out really good. You hit him in a very unexpected way. :cool:

[Centauro]

Love them all back even if they don't know it :)

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

It's a tough one. For me it's easy to makes suggestions when I'm not inside the situation, so I'm trying to imagine how you feel, so i can treat the matter as I would treat it if it were me - or at least try to.

Forgive me I havent read every response, but obviously protection for yourself first of all, and as others have said do not project anger, or fear, towards her, but love, healing and positive energies. It's easy for me to say, I know.

Secondly I would not consider trying to work on her, in either helping her or dissuading her from being involved with your father. She is not the problem. Thus with her you will not find the solution.

She walks her own path, and that it has intersected with your father's means only that she is like a bird of prey whose natural instinct detected an opportunity, and down she swooped. The only method to send her on her way is to deprive her of that which she feeds on. Your father.

If you really want this woman out of his life, and your life, only he can do this. Work with him. Talk with him. Use your energies on him and around him. I do not know what his knowledge base might be in this subject. Perhaps he is entirely closed to it and talking to him would be very hard for you. But try. Be yourself. Project love, patience, understanding. Project truth. Truth is pure, and it will come out from you. And there is a part of him, like in everyone, which seeks. He will recognise something of that truth, perhaps just a chink of light coming through, and that may be enough to force the floodgates open.

You need not 'convert' him, change his paradigm or anything quite that drastic. You wish only to have him release that anger, and see her for what she truly is. That is the thought energy you need to project, and it will come.

Good luck!

[Amysenthia]

Hi Raf,

I can hear the desperation and fear in your message and can tell by the tone that you are hoping someone will give you a spell or something to make this stop. Macumba which you speak of is a dark type of belief system much like Voodoo. Dark spirits are called upon to do the practitioners bidding and your father could very well be under these influences. There are spells to counter these but in order to inact them you have to become involved in this world and it may not be worth it. The strongest force against this type of thing is to use LOVE. Just like this in Voodoo when a Voodoo doll is used to curse a person, you can send unconditional love to your father to protect him. Make this force stronger by finding an item that connects you and your father and carry it with you everywhere. Each time you feel it next to you send out the thought that you are sending out a wave of LOVE to your father that will surround him and ward off all negativity. It also helps if you can get alone with him physically and tell him how you feel and let him know that you are doing this and why. Many a spells work simply because the person believes that they do. By your father knowing this the seed is planted and you help him start to break free from this spell. Be very careful if you are going to go seek help from spiritualists. There are many that will see you coming and take advantage of you. Always fight darkness with love and light first!!!

[Centauro]

Happiness is easy

Nothing given, nothing gain
Stay in in this mode
Only love, never pain
See yourself and go
To that place that you forgot
You were lost in hate
Found the source
The hate was gone
Think I am wrong?
See if within happiness
Do you belong
Just an advice of a friend
That found love
Please my friend return
To the place that you belong


Roland 11/17/2011

[grannyfranny100]

Return the credit card (cut in half) to your father, explain that it seems to have created some confusion. Tell him your are grateful that he gave it to you for emergencies but you want him to know that you would not misuse it, did not use it and do not want him to ever question your morals so you are returning it to prevent any possible confusion in the future. Ask him to please delete you as a possible user so he will always be sure you are loyal to him and not taking advantage of him. That should jar him awake.

There are several thread about psychopaths on Avalon. About all you can do is shun his new wife and keep your family away from her. I went through a bad situation and only walking away worked. It woke him up as words and loving actions didn't.

[Daughter of Time]

The years of my youth were spent amongsts very, very, very bad people. My father and his family were unbearably insufferable. The grand opera they created for my mother and I, and a little less for my younger sisters, would fill books. It is profoundly difficult to survive experiences at the hands of these types of beings; but survive we must.

I don't know whether they are evil, incredibly misguided, or somehow, devoid of consciousness. What I do know is that these beings have no power of their own, therefore they feel they must steal it from others who seemingly have it. They steal power at whatever level is accessible and convenient for them. One must always remember that truly, they are powerless. They can cause a seemingly insurmountable amount of trouble, but ultimately, your own power is within yourself. They might feel powerful after their thefts, but it's just an illusion.

They are parasites, and like any parasite, they attach to unsuspecting hosts who unwittingly feed them. The more we become distressed, the more our distress feeds them. Sometimes the solution is to simply walk away, but that is not always possible. When that is not possible, one must protect oneself in any and all of the available methods which many aware and awake people have expounded on this thread.

I do not have a relationship with my father and and his family. Once in a rare while I run into one of them. They want to reconcile (???) and ask me to let bybones be bygones. I do not reply. I simply walk awak pretending I haven't heard a word, as if they're not there. When I do that, I can see the energy drain from them because they know they have no power over me anymore.

[lslimerick]

Hi Raf,

Will give you my own experience and I totally get what you are going through. Once you know what you are dealing with and it sounds like you do, there is always a solution. When I was experiencing this, I can only tell you, you think you are the crazy one sometimes, I watched someone else who was close to me suffer in all kinds of ways and their physical appearance change, it was awful, both of us were attacked in different ways, but he certainly was trapped, I was not trapped, but hurt in many ways. Once you know that there is a possibility of darkness, you need to get real smart, aside from your personal protection, you must cleanse, clear it out, then send the same to your dad....you must get permission from him, you cannot just do this, so ask his higher self for permission....free will has to be part of this. Then you also must deal with this woman in the same way - no need for permission there - you need to meet her (not physically) and you must do everything WITHOUT judgement, eye contact, tell her what you know etc and tell that that she no longer has control and cut the energy to whatever she is putting out.....the key here is you cannot judge, you can only observe, you have to remain neutral, so dont try this when she has you wound up - the credit card thing, dont play that game, send the card back to your dad and tell him you would like one that only he and you know about - end of!! Get out of the details here or they will drive you mad and remember, you are powerful enough to crack this and you need to decide your own method of cleansing...

I like where you surround yourself with a bubble of light, inside place the colour indigo, this is a filter, so if anything does creep in, it filters, then surround your bubble with platinum colour -very strong, but do your own research on protection, so all you need it to cleanse yourself, get permission for you dad, meet her on your terms in the astral and cut all the ties, go without judgement, observe it, see it, feel, it but if you protect yourself, you will be strong enough to do what you need.

I know this to be true, because I did it and trust me, it took me a while to figure out what was going on.....best wishes on this journey!!

[Daughter of Time]

I do agree that we have karmic ties to these (living or discarnate) entities who plague us. This doesn't necessarily mean (although sometimes it does) that we deserve what we're getting. Many times karmic ties result simply because we allow these beings to use us because we are loving beings to like to give, and we have to learn that by letting them use us, doesn't do anyone any favours. So they come back and try to do it again because they've done it in previous existences when it worked out for them. Our karma now is to learn to stop them from doing their deeds, and to clear ourselves once and for all. In the end, this helps them too.

Love is the most mysterious and powerful force in the universe. But for all except the most spiritually advanced of us, love is very selective. It chooses who it wants to love. Hate, however, is very generous - all encompassing. People who hate, hate pretty much everything and everyone, with very few exceptions. So by hating those who have hurt us, we keep feeding the hate. By sending them love, hate cannot help but weaken. This, however, is very difficult to accomplish. I try! Love knows I try! To those of you who can manage to send love to those who have hurt you, I admire you, I congratulate you, and i hope and wish and desire that your ability to love the unlovable, rubs off on me. Thank you.

[grapevine]

Return the credit card (cut in half) to your father, explain that it seems to have created some confusion. Tell him your are grateful that he gave it to you for emergencies but you want him to know that you would not misuse it, did not use it and do not want him to ever question your morals so you are returning it to prevent any possible confusion in the future. Ask him to please delete you as a possible user so he will always be sure you are loyal to him and not taking advantage of him. That should jar him awake.

There are several thread about psychopaths on Avalon. About all you can do is shun his new wife and keep your family away from her. I went through a bad situation and only walking away worked. It woke him up as words and loving actions didn't.

Defo read up on the psychopath threads Raf - digest and keep away from her as much as you can. But if you can't make sure you are never alone in her company. Try not to get your dad to take sides - it really is difficult for him . . .

and you take care and invoke your protection spell . . . . :) We're all behind you Raf

[DeDukshyn]

You describe the mother of my kids. She was my Fiancee and we currently are just living in the same house - separate sleeping arrangements. (things have been very messy - I spilled the beans about it in a post but don't feel the need to elaborate here other than we likely won't ever be in a relationship again).

She is not "evil", but all her conditioning has led her to address things in a very self centered and for the most part undesirable ways. She casts spells and puts curses on me and over kids for her own end but she is not actually doing these things - well she is but she has no idea what she is doing. The way she reasons and addresses things are not that "odd" and many people do work this way, but this is all they know. This is how they were conditioned to act / react. So it is for her, an entirely subconscious phenomenon, and it operates like it's own entity. Everything has two reasons - the one she wants you to believe or distract you with, then the ulterior motive. She was conditioned by her mother that this was how humans behave "To get anywhere in life you have to lie, manipulate, or claim ignorance (victim) - you will never succeed with honesty" I believe her exact words were.

This type of behaviour is normal to her, but unacceptable to me, but there is no way to make her see the errors of her ways, because when I do - she just uses her own system to justify it (which is using an illogical system to justify an illogical concept) -- which is the catch22 in addressing it - they see you pointing it out as problem that can be solved with their system - as long as they come out feeling ok about their justifications, then all is good (this is the way they evaluate it - "Does the ego feel less negative emotion when I use this 'excuse'? - good, that must be the right one, etc" - all based on emotion, with little logic.

So my point is, that it is totally possible to be "evil" when looking at behaviours, seeing it in motivations is trickier, and ultimately it is also easy for one to become a victim to their early programming, and carry these behaviours with them their whole life, without ever being intently or consciously trying to be "evil".

I still have no way of dealing her that gets anything further ahead than where it is, but I'll let you know if I can find some magical formula ;)


EDIT: this post is almost useless without adding that based on my observations, this behaviour is much stronger in times of perceived high stress and pain.

As I heard Wayne Dyer say:

Hurt people hurt people.