(Kerry Cassidy) Whistleblower - (Chemically-Laced Contrails) hidden in Airliner..!

[jackovesk]

REPOSTED HERE FROM A NEWSLETTER I RECEIVED CALLED "GOOD VIBES.."

For reasons you will understand as you read this I can not divulge my identity.

I am an aircraft mechanic for a major airline. I work at one of our maintenance bases located at a large airport. I have discovered some information that I think you will find important.

First, I should tell you something about the "pecking order" among mechanics. It is important to my story and to the cause to which you have dedicated yourself.

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Mechanics want to work on three things. The avionics, the engines, or the flight controls. The mechanics that work on these systems are considered at the top of the "pecking order".

Next come the mechanics that work on the hydraulics and air conditioning systems. Then come the ones who work on the galley and other non-essential systems. But at the very bottom of the list are the mechanics that work on the waste disposal systems.

No mechanic wants to work on the pumps, tanks, and pipes that are used to store the waste from the lavatories. But at every airport where I have worked there are always 2 or 3 mechanics that volunteer to work on the lavatory systems.

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The other mechanics are happy to let them do it. Because of this you will have only 2 or 3 mechanics that work on these systems at any one airport. No one pays much attention to these guys and no mechanic socializes with another mechanic who only works on the waste systems.

Fact is, I had never even thought much about this situation until last month. Like most airlines we have reciprocal agreements with the other airlines that fly into this airport. If they have a problem with a plane one of our mechanics will take care of it.

Likewise, if one of our planes has a problem at an airport where the other airline has a maintenance base, they will fix our plane.

One day last month I was called out from our base to work on a plane for another airline. When I got the call the dispatcher did not know what the problem was. When I got to the plane I found out that the problem was in waste disposal system. There was nothing for me to do but to crawl in and fix the problem.

When I got into the bay I realized that something was not right. There were more tanks, pumps, and pipes then should have been there. At first I assumed that the waste disposal system had been changed. It had been about 10 years since I had worked on this particular model of aircraft.

As I tried to find the problem I quickly realized the extra piping and tanks were not connected to the waste disposal system, at all. I had just discovered this when another mechanic from my company showed up. It was one of the mechanics who usually works on this particular type of plane, and I happily turned the job over to him.

As I was leaving I asked him about the extra equipment. He told me to "worry about my end of the plane and let him worry about his end!"

The next day I was on the company computer to look up a wiring schematic. While I was there I decided to look up the extra equipment I had found. To my amazement the manuals did not show any of the extra equipment I had seen with my own eyes the day before. I even tied in to the manufacturer files and still found nothing. Now I was really determined to find out what that equipment did.

The next week we had three of our planes in our main hanger for periodic inspection. There are mechanics crawling all over a plane during these inspections. I had just finished my shift and I decided to have a look at the waste system on one of our planes. With all the mechanics around I figured that no one would notice an extra one on the plane.

Sure enough, the plane I choose had the extra equipment! I began to trace the system of pipes, pumps, and tanks. I found what appeared to be the control unit for the system. It was a standard looking avionics control box but it had no markings of any kind.

I could trace the control wires from the box to the pumps and valves but there were no control circuits coming into the unit. The only wires coming into the unit was a power connection to the aircraft's main power bus.

The system had 1 large tank and 2 smaller tanks. It was hard to tell in the cramped compartment, but it looked like the large tank could hold about 50 gallons. The tanks were connected to a fill and drain valve that passed through the fuselage just behind the drain valve for the waste system.

When I had a chance to look for this connection under the plane I found it cunningly hidden behind a panel under the panel used to access the waste drain.

I began to trace the piping from the pumps. These pipes lead to a network of small pipes that ended in the trailing edges of the wings and horizontal stabilizers.

If you look closely at the wings of a large airplane you will see a set of wires, about the size of your finger, extending from the trailing edge of the wing surfaces. These are the static discharge wicks. They are used to dissipate the static electric charge that builds up on a plane in flight.

I discovered that the pipes from this mystery system lead to every 1 out of 3 of these static discharge wicks. These wicks had been "hollowed out" to allow whatever flows through these pipes to be discharged through the fake wicks.

It was while I was on the wing that one of the managers spotted me. He ordered me out of the hanger telling me that my shift was over and I had not been authorized any overtime.
The next couple of days were very busy and I had no time to continue my investigation. Late one afternoon, two days after my discovery, I was called to replace an engine temperature sensor on a plane due to take off in two hours.

I finished the job and turned in the paperwork.

About 30 minutes later I was paged to see the General Manager. When I went in his office I found that our union rep and two others who I did not know were waiting on me. He told me that a serious problem had been discovered. He said that I was being written up and suspended for turning in false paperwork.

He handed me a disciplinary form stating that I had turned in false paperwork on the engine temperature sensor I had installed a few hours before. I was floored and began to protest. I told them that this was ridiculous and that I had done this work.

The union rep spoke up at this point and recommended that we take a look at the plane to see if we could straighten it all out. I then asked who the other two men were. The GM told me that they were airline safety inspectors but would not give me their names.

We proceeded to the plane, which should have been in the air but was parked on our maintenance ramp. We opened the engine cowling and the union rep pulled the sensor. He checked the serial number and told everyone that it was the old instrument. We then went to the parts bay and went back into the racks.

The union rep checked my report and pulled from the rack a sealed box. He opened the box and pulled out the engine temperature sensor with the serial number of the one I had installed. I was told that I was suspended for a week without pay and to leave immediately.
I sat at home the first day of my suspension wondering what the hell had happened to me. That evening I received a phone call. The voice told me "Now you know what happens to mechanics who poke around in things they shouldn't. The next time you start working on systems that are no concern of yours you will lose your job! As it is, I'm feeling generous, I believe that you'll be able to go back to work soon." CLICK.

Again, I had to pick myself from off the floor. As my mind raced, it was at this moment that I made the connection that what had happened to me must have been directly connected to my tracing the "mysterious" piping.

The next morning the General Manager called me. He said that due to my past excellent employment record that the suspension had been reduced to one day and that I should report back to work immediately. The only thing I could think of was "what are they trying to hide" and "who are 'THEY'"!

That day at work went by as if nothing had happened. None of the other mechanics mentioned the suspension and my union rep told me not to talk about it. That night I logged onto the Internet to try to find some answers.

I don't remember now how I got there but I came across a site that talked about chemically-laced contrails.

That's when it all came together. But the next morning at work I found a note inside my locked locker. It said, "Curiosity killed the cat. Don't be looking at Internet sites that are no concern of yours."

Well that's it. Now I know 'THEY' are watching me.

While I don't know what THEY are spraying, I can tell you how they are doing it. I figure they are using the "honey trucks". These are the trucks that empty the waste from the lavatory waste tanks.

The airports usually contract out this job and nobody goes near these trucks. Who wants to stand next a truck full of sh--. While these guys are emptying the waste tanks, it makes sense that they could easily be filling the tanks of the spray system.

They know the planes flight path so they probably program the control unit to start spraying some amount of time after the plane reaches a certain altitude. The spray nozzles in the fake static wicks are so small that no one in the plane would see a thing.

God help us all.

-- A concerned citizen

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[TheSwede]

So thats how they get away with it and so little ppl knows about it. Interesting indeed!

[Aquai]

WOW great read!!

[Simonm]

I often wondered which planes did the spraying. Thanks for your post it makes perfect sense.

[mosquito]

Possibly.

But there are a couple of tiny holes in his story - "mechanics" don't work on the avionics, mecahnics work on mechanical systems, hence the name.
Airline mechanics also do not empty the waste disposal systems, this is done by airport maintenance crews.

[kreagle]

I hate to sound ignorant, I've heard about "chemtrails" before, but I don't exactly know what they are or what they are intended for. Will someone please explain what they are and their function? Thanks.


Note,.....never mind. I Googled it and "educated myself" on the subject. Should have done that to start with.

[jorr lundstrom]

This was the sky outside our home at 9.00 yesterday morning, at 4.00 in the afternoon

the sky looked like a spiders web, I have never seen them in Sweden before.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/chemtrails015.jpg

[Calz]

This was the sky outside our home at 9.00 yesterday morning, at 4.00 in the afternoon

the sky looked like a spiders web, I have never seen them in Sweden before.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/chemtrails015.jpg

"They" must be moving into their "endgame" ... that has been going on in the states for years now ...

[jorr lundstrom]

I hate to sound ignorant, I've heard about "chemtrails" before, but I don't exactly know what they are or what they are intended for. Will someone please explain what they are and their function? Thanks.

The most common seems to be that they spray with Aluminium and Barium.

I know that Monsanto has seed that thrive in aluminiumsaturated soil. Ordinary

seed cant survive if the amount of aluminium is too high. Monsanto is making its

way into the swedish market to sell their GMO- seed and if they have prepared

the soil in advance, so no other seed but theirs can grow, the farmers are forced

to buy their products. I dont know what the purpose with Barium is.


Im sure chemtrails are used for other purposes as well. There is a movie called

"Toxic skies " in which they spray in a different purpose. Its available on Pirate Bay.

[jorr lundstrom]

I know they have sprayed in other parts of this country nut not here.

I said it before and I say it again, I want a couple of Stinger robots.

[truth4me]

I live in Arkansas U.S.A the northeast part. Chemtrails are in the air daily.

[Elixer]

Still as relevant today as it was when first published in april of 2005?

[Kindred]

I had read this some time ago and did not find it in any way untruthful or manipulative. (I wasn't aware of it being out in 2005, but no matter) Having worked as a mechanic (in other industries), yes, there is a hierarchy in every industry so, in many respects, this account makes very good sense.

What better way to hide such a clandestine operation, than to shroud it within a 'nasty job' - there won't be many 'takers' for it and, as this person points out, there's only 2 or 3 people that do this job at most airports. Moreover, you can bet that the majority of workers that are trained in these professions come from the military with the associated authoritative, hierarchical culture and mindset. A perfect set of circumstances and an opportunity for what we see happening above us.

[TheSwede]

Latest video on the youtube channel:
TfecFeaaxSY

Documentary from October 2010.

[Lisab]

Im sure they've really stepped it up lately too. Definately so here in Wales.

[Earth Angel]

Latest video on the youtube channel:
TfecFeaaxSY

Documentary from October 2010.
this is a very good movie about chem trails........its so frustrating the number of people who dont believe this is even happening.......hello !!! all you have to do is look UP once in a while......I regularly wake up to blue clear skies and by 11 a grey fog has covered the sky..........but first there is the lovely criss cross pattern from the chem trails.........its sooooo obvious!

[Kumonitori]

Over Tokyo Nov.11th 2011

[Calz]

Over Tokyo Nov.11th 2011

Uh ... yeah ... that looks natural???

[ThePythonicCow]

Yes - seems like a persuasive report.

It has been posted twice before on the forum, some time ago, as part of other threads:

loveandgratitude posted it on April 8, 2011 as Post #125 of the "Chemtrail pilot talks" thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17730-Chemtrail-pilot-talks&p=193685&viewfull=1#post193685).
heyokah posted it on June 7, 2011 as Post #30 of the "there are no chem trails, nasa says so, look they are con trails (lol)" thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1287-there-are-no-chem-trails-nasa-says-so-look-they-are-con-trails--lol-&p=238572&viewfull=1#post238572)

Those threads are too far in the past to consider merging; that's fine.

I just post these links here in case an interested reader wants to go back in time and browse any earlier comments that were made on this report.

[leavesoftrees]

Possibly.

But there are a couple of tiny holes in his story - "mechanics" don't work on the avionics, mecahnics work on mechanical systems, hence the name.
Airline mechanics also do not empty the waste disposal systems, this is done by airport maintenance crews.

If your employer was watching your internet activity, why would you post this story. You would be immediately identifiable.

[Maia Gabrial]

Last year, I discovered that the American military and NATO were responsible for Project Cloverleaf which has to do with releasing chemtrails. I remember reading some posts where people were a bit confused about the difference between contrails and chemtrails. Looks like there's no difference anymore....

I think whoever this whistleblower is he did the right thing by exposing it. That takes courage. The rats doing these things will not have a place to hide when people find out what they've been up to....

It seems like the more we find out, the more there is....still.

[Sidney]

Another hole in this story is that the number of spray planes that exist. It has got to be in the thousands. C'mon, that's an awful lot of "honey".

I have seen up to 20 planes spraying one small area. Multiply that times, well, the whole planet, and.......well you get my point???

[TWINCANS]

I read the piece also on this website called aircrap.org:
http://aircrap.org/evergreen-aviation-admits-to-chemtrail-contracts-with-usaf/33619/

They name Evergreen Aviation as a company that does the spraying. There are obviously other companies all over the world with contracts to spray chemtrails. Makes you want to hurl, doesn't it that pilots would do this and use as an excuse 'I have to feed my family.' Your family will have fat bellies and no lungs plus the big c and other wonderful illnesses.

[Unified Serenity]

Something doesn't ring true for me in this story. Part was the letting him off with a warning then a little note about being curious. It seems it could have truth in it, but it seems planted to gin up more chatter for some reason. They have really stepped up spraying here as well. I took about 8 pictures of it, but I've been too lazy to send them to myself to post them. It basically looks like this:

http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ku25p7QngY1qzb0kpo1_400.jpg

http://nssaxis.yolasite.com/resources/chemtrail4.jpg

That second pic came from this site:

http://nssaxis.yolasite.com/chemtrails.php

Very good read.

[CdnSirian]

N.A.E.T. at http://naet.com A process used to reverse the body's response to just about anything. In case you're worried.

[Carmody]

. . . . . . . . . . edited for brevity. :p

[modwiz]

. . . . . . . . . . edited for brevity. :p

.....and extension. :biggrin1:

[Bollinger]

I myself have long since discarded the idea of anything sinister in the contrails/chemtrails phenomenon because it simply does not stand up to scrutiny and goes against the grain of logical thinking.

First of all, what is being observed, i.e. lingering cloud-like formations in the sky, can be explained by established science and the keyword is “sublimation”.

Secondly, if an organisation is doing this for some harmful purpose, there is no doubt they and their families would also suffer the consequences (unless they’re all breathing some other atmosphere) and so it isn’t really a very good idea.

Thirdly, it would be pretty stupid to make it visible to everyone if you were doing this on purpose. Even if the reason (as I’ve sometimes heard it said) is to assist global warming, there really isn’t sufficient material and it doesn’t last long enough to make any difference. If the end game is to either kill a lot of people or harm the earth, there are a plethora of technologies at their disposal for doing it instanly. There is absolutely no need to go through years and years of “spraying” to achieve it.

The final point is that in all of the years we have witnessed these things coming out of aircraft, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest direct harm to health or anything else that can be attributed to the formations.

If you join the above points together, what you are left with is nothing more than “suspicion” and part of the reason for that is that we know there is other sinister stuff going on (for which there is plenty of evidence of direct harm and injustice); so anything we see that looks like it is occurring globally and right above our heads is a prime candidate for concern. Fortunately, “suspicion” alone does not a truth make.

[TheSwede]

Possibly.

But there are a couple of tiny holes in his story - "mechanics" don't work on the avionics, mecahnics work on mechanical systems, hence the name.
Airline mechanics also do not empty the waste disposal systems, this is done by airport maintenance crews.

If your employer was watching your internet activity, why would you post this story. You would be immediately identifiable.

Maybe after he noticed them sniffing hes internet traffic he took precautions like posting it from a public computer without logging in to anything that might identify hes activity/location.

[Corncrake]

This story doesn't sound right. It just doesn't ring true to me - not just the content but the way it is told. I do believe there are chemicals being sprayed on us - there has been an awful lot of evidence in samples taken off the ground. However, I do not believe it is going on everywhere and a lot of the photographs that are being posted on the internet are high altitude contrails. There are a few misleading ones of crop spraying too. I have a sister who lives in the Midlands who rarely sees a plane fly over let alone a contrail or chemtrail and she has had Morgellons for the past 6 years.

[PathWalker]

nothing new

[Unified Serenity]

This site I listed above has this bit of information which I think is rather alarming. I am curious what the stats would be in this area of Florida. Here is the info from that site:

MORTALITY RATES: IN A LETTER TO CLIFFORD CARNICOM

Death Notice Totals for Jan-Feb:


JAN-FEB 1995.........(prechemtrail).........191

JAN-FEB 1996.........(prechemtrail).........134

JAN FEB 1997..........(prechemtrail).........105

JAN-FEB 1998....(chemspraying starts)....98

JAN FEB 1999.... (bioexperiments start)..144

JAN-FEB 2000......(spraying+ bio)......196

JAN-FEB 2001......(spraying + bio)....1680

JAN-FEB 2002......(spraying + bio)....1734

JAN-FEB 2003......(spraying + bio)....1728

JAN FEB 2004.......(spraying + bio)....2000


As you can see the totals for Jan-Feb 2004 are over a TEN TIMES HIGHER than the totals for Jan-Feb 1995. This seems way out of line and very alarming even taking into consideration an aging population. There may be another reason for these figures but they fit in with the timeline of the chemtrails. What we are seeing may be the result of a deliberate depopulation campaign. These figures are from the San Francisco Chronicle/SFGate death notice archives.

I recommend reading info at this site (http://nssaxis.yolasite.com/chemtrails.php) .



I myself have long since discarded the idea of anything sinister in the contrails/chemtrails phenomenon because it simply does not stand up to scrutiny and goes against the grain of logical thinking.

First of all, what is being observed, i.e. lingering cloud-like formations in the sky, can be explained by established science and the keyword is “sublimation”.

Secondly, if an organisation is doing this for some harmful purpose, there is no doubt they and their families would also suffer the consequences (unless they’re all breathing some other atmosphere) and so it isn’t really a very good idea.

Thirdly, it would be pretty stupid to make it visible to everyone if you were doing this on purpose. Even if the reason (as I’ve sometimes heard it said) is to assist global warming, there really isn’t sufficient material and it doesn’t last long enough to make any difference. If the end game is to either kill a lot of people or harm the earth, there are a plethora of technologies at their disposal for doing it instanly. There is absolutely no need to go through years and years of “spraying” to achieve it.

The final point is that in all of the years we have witnessed these things coming out of aircraft, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest direct harm to health or anything else that can be attributed to the formations.

If you join the above points together, what you are left with is nothing more than “suspicion” and part of the reason for that is that we know there is other sinister stuff going on (for which there is plenty of evidence of direct harm and injustice); so anything we see that looks like it is occurring globally and right above our heads is a prime candidate for concern. Fortunately, “suspicion” alone does not a truth make.

[Ishtar]

There is something not quite right about this text. Does Kerry actually know this aircraft mechanic? It's written as if an advertising copywriter had written it. I know because I used to be one. It's not written by an airplane mechanic, that much I'm sure of... although it probably still might be true. There is a covert war going on, and one side might be using the chemtrails issue to get at the other. But I'd be willing to bet money that someone paid a half-way decent copywriter to produce this. I'm going to ask an aeronautical engineer friend what he thinks about it. By the way, I am leading a chemtrails campaign locally so it would serve our cause for this to be true... hence my sceptism is not driven by any kind of anti agenda.

[Bollinger]

This site I listed above has this bit of information which I think is rather alarming. I am curious what the stats would be in this area of Florida. Here is the info from that site:

MORTALITY RATES: IN A LETTER TO CLIFFORD CARNICOM

Death Notice Totals for Jan-Feb:


JAN-FEB 1995.........(prechemtrail).........191

JAN-FEB 1996.........(prechemtrail).........134

JAN FEB 1997..........(prechemtrail).........105

JAN-FEB 1998....(chemspraying starts)....98

JAN FEB 1999.... (bioexperiments start)..144

JAN-FEB 2000......(spraying+ bio)......196

JAN-FEB 2001......(spraying + bio)....1680

JAN-FEB 2002......(spraying + bio)....1734

JAN-FEB 2003......(spraying + bio)....1728

JAN FEB 2004.......(spraying + bio)....2000


As you can see the totals for Jan-Feb 2004 are over a TEN TIMES HIGHER than the totals for Jan-Feb 1995. This seems way out of line and very alarming even taking into consideration an aging population. There may be another reason for these figures but they fit in with the timeline of the chemtrails. What we are seeing may be the result of a deliberate depopulation campaign. These figures are from the San Francisco Chronicle/SFGate death notice archives.

I recommend reading info at this site (http://nssaxis.yolasite.com/chemtrails.php) .



I myself have long since discarded the idea of anything sinister in the contrails/chemtrails phenomenon because it simply does not stand up to scrutiny and goes against the grain of logical thinking.

First of all, what is being observed, i.e. lingering cloud-like formations in the sky, can be explained by established science and the keyword is “sublimation”.

Secondly, if an organisation is doing this for some harmful purpose, there is no doubt they and their families would also suffer the consequences (unless they’re all breathing some other atmosphere) and so it isn’t really a very good idea.

Thirdly, it would be pretty stupid to make it visible to everyone if you were doing this on purpose. Even if the reason (as I’ve sometimes heard it said) is to assist global warming, there really isn’t sufficient material and it doesn’t last long enough to make any difference. If the end game is to either kill a lot of people or harm the earth, there are a plethora of technologies at their disposal for doing it instanly. There is absolutely no need to go through years and years of “spraying” to achieve it.

The final point is that in all of the years we have witnessed these things coming out of aircraft, I haven’t seen any evidence to suggest direct harm to health or anything else that can be attributed to the formations.

If you join the above points together, what you are left with is nothing more than “suspicion” and part of the reason for that is that we know there is other sinister stuff going on (for which there is plenty of evidence of direct harm and injustice); so anything we see that looks like it is occurring globally and right above our heads is a prime candidate for concern. Fortunately, “suspicion” alone does not a truth make.

That is simply correlation, not causality. In order to prove a causal link between spraying and mortality, the experiment has to be controlled much more scientifically than simply looking at mortality figures. It is entirely conceivable that I can find areas where mortality rate went down after "spraying" began. Does that mean chemtrails improve health?

The simple fact is that there are too many variables at work when it comes to general health and any increase or decrease in mortality rates may be attributable to any number of factors all occurring simultaneously.

[bodhii71]

I KNOW for a fact growing up that what I saw were contrails. I remember vividly holding my fingers up while laying on the ground (cloud watching) against the contrails left behind a plane, and comparing that to the size of the plane.
There weren't X's in the sky. There weren't white outs. There weren't consistent trails from one end of visible sky to the other horizon. It didn't exist. There is no way in disputing this.
So then comes an answer of changes in the atmosphere...
I'm sure as hell it has negative health risks.
To see congress reactions to being question about them is highly disturbing.
It is difficult to rationalize why would they put themselves in harms way, something I still can't get my head around.
Is it to block rays emanating from the center of our galaxy? Or sun? To make the ground infertile for all but Monsanto?
To eventually starve out humanity? To get us so used to seeing chemtrails that when they do a switcheroo and put something more leathal that even those who are going along won't realize they just poisoned a mega death of people. Something that can be blamed on a virus or another country to incite a global war? Used in conjunction with harrp? Weather manipulation? Perhaps it's to help "normalize" the skies, due to harrp changing weather patterns.
Weaken everyone, so when something that might be somewhat leathal, interacts with those already primed from repeated exsposure to chem trails, it just goes off without a hitch.
The end result is it is definitely going on, and all over the world.
500 million people. 7 billion. That's a whole lotta death.

Those who matter in this NWO, are they privy to some inoculation against whatever is sprayed?
It seems that America is being hit hard all over. Perhaps Americans have lost the value of the elite. Imploding economy.
Why is it that it is becoming illegal to grow normal food? Is there a connection?
Cannot speak for the rest of the world.

It would seem that they would employ military as well as private and commercial planes to get this done. Knowingly or unknowingly...
There were days over the summer where it was so horrible in the skies that I wouldn't let my children go out to play.
I tried telling people a few times and they get this incredous stare, or will admit to noticing it then quickly change the subject.

[binemaya]

Hi!
They are spraying like crazy starting a week ago here in Austria and nobody seems to care.....
bb
maya

[Carmody]

That is simply correlation, not causality. In order to prove a causal link between spraying and mortality, the experiment has to be controlled much more scientifically than simply looking at mortality figures. It is entirely conceivable that I can find areas where mortality rate went down after "spraying" began. Does that mean chemtrails improve health?

The simple fact is that there are too many variables at work when it comes to general health and any increase or decrease in mortality rates may be attributable to any number of factors all occurring simultaneously.

So Sorry, won't get caught up in your 'prove it' game.

As for the challenge you issued to Jake, we had no proof that: If Jake ever guessed the items in the box or whatever, we have zero proof that you'd ever tell the truth if he guessed exactly right.

Jake's capacity and integrity was not the only thing on the line. Your integrity was inescapably 100% on the line as well. Impossible to avoid that, no matter how it is looked at.

I recommend a book called 'the field' by Lynn McTaggart, for you to read.

Once you read it there will be a literacy and knowledge test as to it's contents.

Until then, your position is not valid or with bothering with.

You insult this forum, and every thinking person of integrity that is on it.

I will clarify... that I don't feel that this message about tanks on public airliners is even remotely a way to bring validation to the idea of chemtrail sprayers. I personally think it is distraction to discredit the chemtrail knowledge base, to keep people outside of the loop, to keep truths from those who begin to question it. For it is just a bit beyond the edge, even for Chemtrail wise people. Therefore, if it is presented as a FIRST LOOK for those who might consider the chemtrail question, it would turn them away due to outright implausibility.

Your 'negative proofing' mentality holds no sway with me, for I've likely learned far more than you could even consider by walking a path that includes hypothesis before dismissal, and I don't let feelings distort my logical foundations of thought formation. The good majority of important human change comes from people who did not use negative proofing as a original premise.

Science starts with observation. PERIOD.

And we have seen these 'chemtrails' in positions in the thermal layers which have NO CHANCE of being formed as ice droplets.

I've seen them form as low as 4000-5000 ft. By SILENT Jets.

Which turned out to have the appearance of a holographic cover of some sort.

See my replies to fred259, in his chemtrail threads that he started, as a form of debunking attacks, mounted from within this website you are on now.

Read the book, there will be a test. pass it, and then I will decide if you are outside of outright dismissal, which is where you sit right now.

My question, right now, is if you are here to debunk and interfere in this forum, or not. That's it.

If you are merely ignorant, that's no crime.

If you had an ounce of common sense, you would ask yourself why none of this ever seems to be provable to you. You'd turn the chess board around and work it from the other side of a basic mentality.

If you had a lick of common sense in you, you'd turn around and collect as much data as you could on everything and try fitting it all together as if it was real--and then trim it, instead of loosing yourself like a blinkered kitten chasing a single ant. this is a complex matter, at the most simple level it can be expressed on.

Basically, for all of your wordsmithing, I'm not sure of your intellect, or your intent of being on this forum.

[Siberia9]

Alright,,, so who here has the ability to get a job as an aircraft mechanic? Your mission would be to go to school and get an entry level position at a large airport maintenance facility. Then volunteer for the honey job. We will donate some small hidden cameras with microphones. You will document the mechanical systems and then document the payoffs and special training you receive connected to the system. Then turn it all over to Bill Ryan make a public stink and then RUN to Ecuador and hide out.
How bout it Bill, you up for some sneaky fun? Cue the Mission Impossible music.

[Bollinger]

So Sorry, won't get caught up in your 'prove it' game.
I don’t remember inviting your entanglement, but there we are.


As for the challenge you issued to Jake, we had no proof that: If Jake ever guessed the items in the box or whatever, we have zero proof that you'd ever tell the truth if he guessed exactly right.

Jake's capacity and integrity was not the only thing on the line. Your integrity was inescapably 100% on the line as well. Impossible to avoid that, no matter how it is looked at.
What’s that got to do with the price of bananas?



I recommend a book called 'the field' by Lynn McTaggart, for you to read.
Once you read it there will be a literacy and knowledge test as to it's contents.
Until then, your position is not valid or with bothering with.
You insult this forum, and every thinking person of integrity that is on it.

May I ask if what you’ve been reading has many grammar and spelling mistakes in it and whether or not crayons were involved?



I will clarify... that I don't feel that this message about tanks on public airliners is even remotely a way to bring validation to the idea of chemtrail sprayers. I personally think it is distraction to discredit the chemtrail knowledge base, to keep people outside of the loop, to keep truths from those who begin to question it. For it is just a bit beyond the edge, even for Chemtrail wise people. Therefore, if it is presented as a FIRST LOOK for those who might consider the chemtrail question, it would turn them away due to outright implausibility.

Oh?



Your 'negative proofing' mentality holds no sway with me, for I've likely learned far more than you could even consider by walking a path that includes hypothesis before dismissal, and I don't let feelings distort my logical foundations of thought formation.

So you don’t like proof by negation; ah well, can’t please everyone.



The good majority of important human change comes from people who did not use negative proofing as a original premise.

What’s your proof for that?


Science starts with observation. PERIOD.
You get one point for that statement, but I would have given you two if instead of the big word “period”, you continued and said: “and ends with concrete evidence”. For all your expertise on the subject, you managed to address exactly zero number of issues I posed in my original post.



And we have seen these 'chemtrails' in positions in the thermal layers which have NO CHANCE of being formed as ice droplets.

I've seen them form as low as 4000-5000 ft. By SILENT Jets.

Which turned out to have the appearance of a holographic cover of some sort.

I don’t know about you but I’ve seen ice droplets form on the ground, especially after it snows. They are clear in appearance, feel cold to the touch and can be very slippery if spread over a wide area.

By the way, which of these had the appearance of holographic cover: chemtrails, ice droplets or the silent jets? And unless their engines are wearing mufflers, jets are hardly ever silent at 5000 feet.




See my replies to fred259, in his chemtrail threads that he started, as a form of debunking attacks, mounted from within this website you are on now.


You read my post; put 2 and 2 together and made 19.6. There is no debunking involved. All it is saying is that the case for chemtrails is suspect because no one, it seems, is able to tackle the core issues I presented in my initial post.



Read the book, there will be a test. pass it, and then I will decide if you are outside of outright dismissal, which is where you sit right now.

I found this statement to be very telling. Since we’re playing a game of giving advice, here is some from me; calm down my agitated friend, it’s only a commercial.



My question, right now, is if you are here to debunk and interfere in this forum, or not. That's it.

The question is obviously multiple choice so I'll go for, “or not”.



If you are merely ignorant, that's no crime.

By which you mean to say that positing counter arguments on this forum is a crime. Very interesting: not!



If you had an ounce of common sense, you would ask yourself why none of this ever seems to be provable to you. You'd turn the chess board around and work it from the other side of a basic mentality.

I have come across quite a lot of your posts and didn’t want to say anything because I thought; “if it makes sense to him, who am I to argue”. But now I can see where I was coming from.



If you had a lick of common sense in you, you'd turn around and collect as much data as you could on everything and try fitting it all together as if it was real--and then trim it, instead of loosing yourself like a blinkered kitten chasing a single ant. this is a complex matter, at the most simple level it can be expressed on.

I didn’t know they blinkered kittens in your world but somehow that wouldn’t surprise me.

You have just revealed to us the method you use to arrive at truth. Collect as much data as you can on everything and try fitting it together as if it was real and then trim it. Sounds like a bad DIY job but let’s have some fun anyway. You have a large circle and a small triangle. Suddenly you find an oblong the size of a brain cell. You trim it all to fit together, which shape do you end up with?



Basically, for all of your wordsmithing, I'm not sure of your intellect, or your intent of being on this forum.

I invariably switch off as soon as a statement begins with the word “basically”. My "wordsmithing" is obviously worrying you but I'm not sure about my intellect or my intent of being on this forum.

[Ishtar]

I will clarify... that I don't feel that this message about tanks on public airliners is even remotely a way to bring validation to the idea of chemtrail sprayers. I personally think it is distraction to discredit the chemtrail knowledge base, to keep people outside of the loop, to keep truths from those who begin to question it. For it is just a bit beyond the edge, even for Chemtrail wise people. Therefore, if it is presented as a FIRST LOOK for those who might consider the chemtrail question, it would turn them away due to outright implausibility.

Bingo!

Thank you, Carmody. I was struggling to find the words because I'd not suspected this kind of psy-ops before, and you found them for me. That's exactly what it is and next time I see an example of it, I'll know how to frame it.

[ghostrider]

:frusty:I think surrounding earth with metal, will eventually heat up the entire planet and make living on the surface impossible. can You say microwave ? funny how they spray and no one stops them. Where is the EPA ?? If they were dumpin in the ocean the EPA would be up their @## sideways, hollywood would be making tons of movies about it, and CNN /msnbc/ abc/ would run documentaries non stop... where's Al Gore ?? no one stops the spraying....it really pisses me off when I see my beautiful sky spider-webbed with chemicals. this is my pet issue... freakin chemtrails.

[sygh]

Many years ago, I recall concern about holes being created in the ozone layer. According to scientists, holes in the ozone were directly attributed to HVAC&R refrigerants - halogenated hydrocarbons containing chlorine or bromine -like Chloroflorocarbons (CFCs), Hydrochloroflorocarbons (HCFCs), and Halon, etc... Thus came about the Montreal Protocol. It was agreed upon, and signed by many nations, including the U.S. The result of the agreement was to phase out the production of the numerous substances believed to be responsible for ozone depletion.

Currently, amonia, some HFC's, air, water, and even propane are considered to be safer coolants than the refrigerants mentioned above. This leaves a coolant gap, doesn't it. I could care less about air conditioning, I don't use it anyway but what about the need for coolants in food storage, and especially in tropic and subtropic areas where humidity rules thermals?

Quote: "It is believed that if the international agreement is adhered to, the ozone layer is expected to recover by 2050."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montreal_Protocol

I don't know how aggressive the protocol is but I would venture to say, spraying the skys with reflective materials was/is actually meant to try and protect us from harmful ultraviolet radiation from the sun, until such a time as the ozone layer is repaired. I seem to recall conversations about spraying on the regular news media. However, I don't think there's a guarantee, and it is a good idea to keep an eye on this, as the spraying may be harmful after all. We cannot be sure because we do not have the data. And it does seem like it's being hidden from us. Hiding info like this is what actually causes panic, not the other way around.

http://ozone.unep.org/Publications/MP_A_Success_in_the_making-E.pdf

P.S. The sooner we can wein ourselves off of fossel fuels, the better. Not by carbon taxes though. Nope, no NWO. We have seen how too big to fail is a failure in, and of itself.

[sygh]

:frusty:I think surrounding earth with metal, will eventually heat up the entire planet and make living on the surface impossible. can You say microwave ? funny how they spray and no one stops them. Where is the EPA ?? If they were dumpin in the ocean the EPA would be up their @## sideways, hollywood would be making tons of movies about it, and CNN /msnbc/ abc/ would run documentaries non stop... where's Al Gore ?? no one stops the spraying....it really pisses me off when I see my beautiful sky spider-webbed with chemicals. this is my pet issue... freakin chemtrails.

I agree with you on this, ghostrider. Further, what does it do to our abilities, not just physical (though that is anintegral part of the 3D experience) what does it do to us spiritually, and mentally? We are frequency, make no mistake about that. We have mentioned this before. And the more I listen to David Icke, the more profound it gets.

In another thread, David Icke talks about how, during the digital switchover, the UHF/VHF radio waves were open in the U.S. for a small window of time before the bandwidth was taken over by the cell phone industry, etc... During this time, the astronomers were able to see gallaxies in those frequencies that they had never seen before. This information must give us pause, as to the consequences of everything we look at, or do, going forward in the realm of energy, GPS, cell phones, etc, etc, etc... What is all of this doing to us? What is it doing to Gaia (the whole of life on this planet)?

We are going through expansion at a high level of consicousness, at this juncture as well. I cannot help but feel like soon, the damn will break and that humans are in the cross-hairs -for every reason one can think of. Let us hope we get past ourselves, and out of our own way.

[Mutchie]

Possibly.

But there are a couple of tiny holes in his story - "mechanics" don't work on the avionics, mecahnics work on mechanical systems, hence the name.
Airline mechanics also do not empty the waste disposal systems, this is done by airport maintenance crews.

If your employer was watching your internet activity, why would you post this story. You would be immediately identifiable.

Wow very strange if it was me i know what im like curiousity would be driving me nuts i would probaly be friends with at least some of the other mechanics im a coded welder for an oil company and we tradesmen are like fishwives when it comes to talking so i would bring it up to people who i assume are safe maybe someone knows other people will notice these changes aswell.....saying that if you have a morgage and a family maybe you should forget it YOU MAY LOSE YOUR JOB !!!