Russia Threatens Use of Nuclear Weapons - Nov 17, 2011 Nuclear War Risk Rising

[ktlight]

FYI:
"In a November 17th speech to Russia’s parliament, General Nikolai Makarov, chief of the General Staff of the Russian armed forces, spoke of concerns over NATO’s expansion eastward and stated that the risks of Russia being pulled into local conflicts have “risen sharply.”
Countries who previously were members of the Warsaw Pact and have since become NATO members include Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania. Russia also has deeply strained relations with Georgia after a 2008 war over two disputed provinces. Georgia is seeking NATO membership. Ukraine, at one point indicated its plans to align with Western powers, but it is now ruled by a pro-Russia president, and its liberal opposition leader has been imprisoned.
According to Russian news agencies, Makarov stated that “under certain conditions local and regional conflicts may develop into a full-scale war involving nuclear weapons.” The general said: “The possibility of local armed conflicts along nearly the whole border has increased dramatically. In certain conditions, I do not rule out local and regional armed conflicts developing into a large-scale war, including using nuclear weapons.”"

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[Lord Sidious]

Russian doctrine has always seen nuclear, biological and chemical weapons as additional tools on the battlefield, rather than the last resort that the west supposedly classed them as.
So, the warning is in line with the old soviet way of thinking, when they are needed, deploy whatever weapon is suitable.

[jagman]

Mutually. Assured. Destruction.

[Lord Sidious]

Mutually. Assured. Destruction.

That is applied to strategic nukes, not tactical nukes.
This is about the use of tactical nukes.

[syrwong]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

[Lord Sidious]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

That isn't a tactical nuke, even though I know what you mean and agree that it is not ''good'' for the planet.

[syrwong]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

That isn't a tactical nuke, even though I know what you mean and agree that it is not ''good'' for the planet.

Yes. I know it is not by definition. But it is both "tactical" and "nuclear". I was just reflecting on who would be first to use tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and who would be happy to use them. (The American military doctrine is in favor of it, and its usage now is up to the field commanders, no need to be authorized by the president)

[GlassSteagallfan]

This isn't going to help either:

Neocons Love Obama's Ambassador-designate to Russia

November 19, 2011 • 10:43PM

Michael McFaul, the current top Russia specialist at the Obama National Security Council, and the ambassador-designate to Russia, is beloved by some of the most ardent Bush-Cheney neocons. A Hoover Institute fellow who was a campaign advisor to former Russian President Boris Yeltsin, McFaul was nominated to the Russia ambassadorial post by Obama, despite the fact that the post has been traditionally given to an experienced career foreign service officer.

When Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) put a stop on McFaul's confirmation as a political manuever to assure funding for a pet Tennessee project, a group of neocons went to bat for McFaul, writing a glowing endorsement of McFaul in a letter to Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman John Kerry and ranking Republican Richard Lugar. Among the signators on the letter were: Eric Edelman, a Bush Administration ambassador to Turkey, who served with Paul Wolfowitz and Zalmay Khalilzad as part of Dick Cheney's braintrust, when Cheney was Bush 41's Secretary of Defense; Randy Scheunemann, who was a leading light in the Project for a New American Century (PNAC) and chaired the Committee for the Liberation of Iraq; and Robert Kagan, another co-founder of PNAC, who was a speechwriter for George Shultz.

What these neocons love about McFaul is his hatred for Russian Prime Minister Putin, and his singular focus on human rights, stemming from his years of work for the National Democratic Institute (NDI) of Project Democracy.

Source: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20388

[toad]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

That isn't a tactical nuke, even though I know what you mean and agree that it is not ''good'' for the planet.

Yes. I know it is not by definition. But it is both "tactical" and "nuclear". I was just reflecting on who would be first to use tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and who would be happy to use them. (The American military doctrine is in favor of it, and its usage now is up to the field commanders, no need to be authorized by the president)

I find that incredibly hard to believe. There would be no way a nuclear weapon would be detonated in a theater of war without the acknowledgment of the Commander in Chief. Now if we were talking about Russians launching ICBM's and we know and confirm this attack then yeah, its possible that minutemen would have the permission to strike within minutes, but the president would know within seconds. He would definitely know and would be in the circles of decisions involved in such a proposition. We've seen this in the past, infact its saved us a few times from nuclear war, when false presumptions lead certain countries to think we were being attacked both Russian and American and the last second decisions by the presidents have saved us, by fact checking.

[Lord Sidious]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

That isn't a tactical nuke, even though I know what you mean and agree that it is not ''good'' for the planet.

Yes. I know it is not by definition. But it is both "tactical" and "nuclear". I was just reflecting on who would be first to use tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and who would be happy to use them. (The American military doctrine is in favor of it, and its usage now is up to the field commanders, no need to be authorized by the president)

I find that incredibly hard to believe. There would be no way a nuclear weapon would be detonated in a theater of war without the acknowledgment of the Commander in Chief. Now if we were talking about Russians launching ICBM's and we know and confirm this attack then yeah, its possible that minutemen would have the permission to strike within minutes, but the president would know within seconds. He would definitely know and would be in the circles of decisions involved in such a proposition. We've seen this in the past, infact its saved us a few times from nuclear war, when false presumptions lead certain countries to think we were being attacked both Russian and American and the last second decisions by the presidents have saved us, by fact checking.

Nope, he is correct.
Flag officers have the authority to use tactical nukes without seeking permission.
In fact, Robert McNamara ordered a nuclear strike against Cairo to turn around and land that was launched by an admiral of the US Mediterranean fleet.

[13th Warrior]

The chess pieces are moving on the board...

The US is most likely setting up a FOB in Australia for operations in Russia or China or both...

Russia/China have the Phobos Grunt satellite "stuck" in orbit which could possibly be a EMP weapon...

Just speculation of course...

[toad]

Tactical nuclear weapon is already in widespread use by the US in wars. If we consider Depleted Uranium as such, then many tons have been dropped in Iraq and Libya. There is never any moral considerations in the Cabal's mind in any action.

That isn't a tactical nuke, even though I know what you mean and agree that it is not ''good'' for the planet.

Yes. I know it is not by definition. But it is both "tactical" and "nuclear". I was just reflecting on who would be first to use tactical nuclear weapons in future wars and who would be happy to use them. (The American military doctrine is in favor of it, and its usage now is up to the field commanders, no need to be authorized by the president)

I find that incredibly hard to believe. There would be no way a nuclear weapon would be detonated in a theater of war without the acknowledgment of the Commander in Chief. Now if we were talking about Russians launching ICBM's and we know and confirm this attack then yeah, its possible that minutemen would have the permission to strike within minutes, but the president would know within seconds. He would definitely know and would be in the circles of decisions involved in such a proposition. We've seen this in the past, infact its saved us a few times from nuclear war, when false presumptions lead certain countries to think we were being attacked both Russian and American and the last second decisions by the presidents have saved us, by fact checking.

Nope, he is correct.
Flag officers have the authority to use tactical nukes without seeking permission.
In fact, Robert McNamara ordered a nuclear strike against Cairo to turn around and land that was launched by an admiral of the US Mediterranean fleet.

Do have any reference to this attack order given by McNamara? I can't find any details regarding it.

You are somewhat right yes, lso I believe what you mean to say is Flag Officers have the authority to launch ICBMs given the Launch On Warning option, this would imply that a confirmed nuclear first strike has already begun, presidential authority would be irrelevant at this point. Tactical nukes are a lil different, that is rather like saying an officer could launch nuclear tipped Tomahawk missiles without authority.

[Lord Sidious]

Toad, you are getting things confused.
An ICBM is a strategic nuke, I was talking about tactical nukes.
And McNamara didn't order the attack, he ordered it canceled.
This was in response to the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
The US Navy thought Egypt had done it and that is what this was all about.

[toad]

So you're saying Flag Officers have the authority to launch tactical nukes without approval? Can you site that? First time I have heard about such things, including the response on the USS Liberty attack.

[Lord Sidious]

So you're saying Flag Officers have the authority to launch tactical nukes without approval? Can you site that? First time I have heard about such things, including the response on the USS Liberty attack.


Subject: HOW ISRAEL ALMOST GOT THE U.S. TO NUKE EGYPT AND START WORLD WAR THREE WITH RUSSIA!
Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011
This is a very well done thirty minute video that will keep you on the edge of your seat. It is undisputed that during the attack on the Liberty, fighter bombers were launched from the carrier U.S.S. America and they were launched with nuclear weapons. These bombers were not launched to aid the Liberty but were in fact headed for Cairo. Again, this launch took place while the U.S.S. Liberty was under withering attack by Israeli air and naval forces. The bombers were then ordered to return, and that order came personally from Secretary McNamara. It is widely believed that the Israelis wanted to sink the ship and blame the incident on the Egyptians. The idea was to get the USA into the war on the side of Israel and against the Egyptians. It is also widely believed that after nearly two hours, the Israelis abruptly broke off the attack when they realized they could not sink the Liberty. But there is another possibility. Could it be the Israelis broke off the attack on the Liberty because the real reason for the attack on the Liberty was just ”cover” for a nuclear attack on Cairo? Could it be that the real reason the Israelis broke off the attack was because the nuclear armed Navy fighter bombers had been recalled, and the Israelis then realized that the attempt to entangle the U.S., Egypt and Russia in a war had failed?
This is not so far fetched when one considers two very important questions. Who in the Pentagon gave the order to arm the fighter bombers with nukes? And, who ordered the Navy to bomb Cairo? The order to use nuclear weapons had to have come from someone far up the chain of command. And these orders to the commander of the carrier fleet had to have been issued in code. These questions have never been answered. And, this film does not address this very important issue. For obvious reasons these are probably questions that not even the Navy wants to address.

HOW ISRAEL ALMOST GOT THE U.S. TO NUKE EGYPT AND START WORLD WAR THREE WITH RUSSIA!



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G1QR_CkT98


It’s simple, really. If Israel can trick the US and Russia into a mutually destructive war, that would leave Israel, with its nuclear arsenal, in control of the middle east, and via the oil, most of the rest of the world.

http://www.uss-liberty.com/2011/10/09/how-israel-almost-got-the-u-s-to-nuke-egypt-and-start-world-war-three-with-russia/

I read this years ago when I first got on the net.
James Ennes was the officer on deck during the attack and a major player in the Liberty survivors organisation.

[13th Warrior]

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[whenyournex2me]

I'll just be glad when it stops. when everything stops. When the air is silent. When can I rest peacefully? I have nothing to say but bring it, let it rain... and may the ground hold for one day it to be clean again.

[Black Panther]

Another warning from Russia:

Published: 16 December, 2011, 15:00

"Russian missile chief: ‘We can nuke your AMD’ "

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Topol missile system at a testing range in Russia’s Novosibirsk Region

"Russian strategic missiles may target American anti-ballistic missile shield facilities in
Europe, the commander of the Russian missile troops has warned."
"The missiles on duty have blank flight programs, but they can be promptly targeted at
any destination, including the controversial European AMD sites, Lieutenant General
Sergey Karakaev told journalists on Friday."
“There are no technical limitations on the use of strategic missiles. It would take very little
time to select a new target and upload a new missile flight program,” he assured.
He added that “the combat use of missile troop forces is done on command of the
Supreme Commander of the Russian Armed Forces, while planning objectives for possible
strikes is the job of the General Staff.”

More: http://rt.com/news/missile-target-amd-europe-977/

[WhiteFeather]

Be it known, that any threat of nuclear warfare will be disengaged immediately from a higher technology, that is not of this Earth.

You may read my post enclosed on this thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30352-Are-UFO-s-Intervening-On-Planet-Earth-By-Shutting-Down-Nuclear-Facilities

[Snoweagle]

Well, not entirely true. Sort of yes, the "nuclear" bit is technically correct, though I am of the opinion that both sides are; and will be, complicit in each others assaults. Russia is ruled by Freemasonry Bankers just as the rest of the world. (Except Syria, which is currently being made an offer it dare not refuse).
Russia is the world leader in scalar weapons (ref: Silent Sound weapons digital TV thread running here simultaneously) which have also been researched by all global major players; UK, US, Israel, Russia, China and maybe more. They were first tried on a grand scale on the Iragi soldiers bravely defending the Baghdad airport preparing for the first US troops to make an assault. They were microwaved to death, heads explode as brain boils, internal organs cooked, all in all not a pleasant death.
This will be the next nuclear war. First an air burst device over the targeted area to knock out all electromagnetic equipment. Instant dark ages again. Then the microwave energy will sweep across the targeted region picking out groups or individuals. The recent few years of chem trailing has heightened the biological electromagnetic signature, so all living things can be spotted by the satellites which will conduct essential targeting of the area as well as the cities phone network grid.
There will not be the "old fashioned" mushroom cloud devastation which we associate with atomic warfare though every media outlet will broadcast the falsehood to hide the actual weapons technology used. The survivors, if any, as individuals can be singled out in affect, will not give a damn about anything other than their own survival. Most casualties will be the elderly as the NWO require young ignorant slaves. The "telly tubby" and Facebook generation.
Steven Spielberg was "mocked" when his co workers/employees discovered he had had a conical "dome" shield installed in his office over his desk. They were told it was to secure phone and conversations. This is a lie, it is to defect the electromagnetic (nuclear) radiation away from those seated beneath.
In the US, FEMA has kindly provided comfortable extermination camps and here in the UK they cannot build the new mass disposal incinerators fast enough. Here in the UK we also have the "foreign" MOD contracted troops on station ready to assist those not dying quick enough.

Nice to see you back Sid:-)

[Nickolai]

Hi!

Russia threatens?
I am sorry. Am I out of the world?
Please carefully look at the map where the american weapons are around Russia.
What is it, guys?

I am lost.

[GlassSteagallfan]

True Nickolai, the title does no justice. The following may help:

Putin Speaks with Russians, Lays out Stark Global Situation, but Also Desire for "Alliance" with USA
December 16, 2011 • 10:53AM

Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin today gave his annual year-end webcast in a new format, not only inviting questions from citizens throughout Russia — over 1.5 million were submitted — but also conducting a discussion with prominent Russians and foreign guests who were present in the studio for the four-and-a-half hour event. Among those taking part were former Foreign Ministers Yevgeni Primakov and Igor Ivanov, opposition journalists Alexander Prokhanov of Zavtra (nationalist) and Alexei Venediktov of Echo of Moscow radio (liberal), as well as foreign analysts including Nikolai Zlobin of the World Security Institute (USA) and Alexander Rahr of the German Council on Foreign Relations.

In extensive replies to questions about the recent Russian State Duma elections, Putin exuded confidence that United Russia's 50% results express the Russian population's continued support. He said that if young people today were coming out to demonstrate, and could clearly express their views, then that must be the result of "Putin's regime," and "that's good" — something to be proud of. He proposed that round-the-clock video monitoring be instituted at all polling places to lessen the possibility of vote frand, expressly to counter "those who seek to delegitimize our elections," and he said that he personally would not want to stay in power for a single day without the support of the Russian people. Asked about a much-publicized ballot which a voter had annotated with an obscene insult against Putin, he pointed out that this scribble was made in London by a Russian citizen voting at the Russian Embassy there, adding, "We know who came to vote there, and why they don't return to Russia."

Obviously there were many more questions during this lengthy webcast, questions of importance for Russian internal and foreign policy, than can be reported in this space. Several of Putin's replies on foreign affairs, especially the murder of Muammar Qaddafi and Sen. John McCain's attacks on Putin himself, have been singled out for almost exclusive coverage in the international media. Therefore, we provide below not only those passages, but the broader statements on the global strategic situation, made by Putin today, including his desire for "alliance" with the United States under a different American policy outlook than there is now.

QADDAFI MURDER AND MCCAIN REMARKS.

Putin was asked about Sen. McCain's Twitter post, forecasting for Putin the fate of Libyan leader Muammar Qaddafi: "Is this an empty threat, or the West's real plan?" Putin replied: "What can I say? In general terms, this was not directed at me. It was directed at Russia. Some people want to push Russia off to the side, so that Russia will not interfere with their ruling the world. They are still afraid of our nuclear capability, and that's why Russia remains in their field of vision and attention, and is such an irritant. Furthermore, we have our own opinions. We conduct an independent foreign policy, and I hope we shall continue to do so. Of course that bothers some people, first of all. "Secondly, the West is not homogenous, and we have more friends than we do enemies. "Thirdly, Mr. McCain, as is well known, fought in Vietnam, I think he has a fair amount of civilian blood on his hands. He really likes it; probably he can't live without these horrible scenes, these disgusting scenes of how Qaddafi was dealth with, when it was shown on TV screens around the world, how he was beaten and bloodied. Is that democracy? And, who did that? Drones, including American ones, struck his column. And then by radio through special forces who shouldn't have been there, on the ground, the so-called oppositionists and guerrillas were activated, and they wiped him out without trial or investigation. Who's saying that he should have stayed? But the people should have been allowed to decide that through democratic procedures. Yes, it's difficult, yes, it takes time, but there's no other way. "Mr. McCain, as is well known, was taken prisoner in Vietnam, and held not just in prison, but in a hole, and he was there for several years. Anybody would go nuts. So there's nothing out of the ordinary there."

RUSSIA WANTS U.S. AS ALLY.

Asked by Zlobin if he feels that Russia is surrounded by enemies, Putin said: "I don't agree. Russia has many allies." He recalled his experience in lobbying for Russia to host the 2014 Winter Olympics, when representatives of other countries told him they were supporting Russia's bid "because Russia acts independent on the world scene." Such countries, Putin said, "are our potential allies, and they are not only in the post-Soviet area, because people are tired of the dictates of one country." He continued, "We would like to be allies with the United States, too. It's just that what I see now, and what I talked about in Munich [in 2007], is not the attitude of an ally. Sometimes it seems to me that America doesn't want allies, only vassals. But we want and will continue to build relations with the States, because I see that inside the United States itself, certain transformations are under way. American society, to a significant degree, doesn't want to play the role of international policeman any more."

MISSILES IN EUROPE.

Alexander Rahr followed up with questions about anti-missile defense in Europe and Russia-Europe relations generally, asking what mistakes had been made during the past 20 years. Putin again emphasized his view that there is a drive to disarm Russia: "The leading country of the Western world, the USA, views our nuclear missile capability with suspicion. I think anybody is making a huge mistake, if they think that first they have to strip us of that nuclear capability, and then consider us as a potential ally. You know, when the Soviet Union collapsed I thought that now there were really no restrictions on our really moving forward together. But these suspicions of the past continue to hinder our relations. Nonetheless, I believe it is inevitable. Integration in the European area is a demand of our lives, and I would say even more, that integration in the framework of common Christian values is an urgent need. And if we think about the fact that a single principle underlies the moral values of the traditional world religions, then this is the basis for overcoming the difficulties of an intercivilizational nature, as well."

Much more could be reported about how Putin then developed this idea, including remarks about Russia's pulling back from its "image as an empire," as well as on his comments about the global financial bubble, and discussions with Primakov and Ivanov, including on Far East development.

Link: http://www.larouchepac.com/node/20803

[Unified Serenity]

This is mute to me because both Russia and America have scalar weapons that will stop a nuke attack. Nukes are just for us to run in fear. This whole topic plays on our fear porn paranoia. There are much more sophisticated weapons available to the U.S. and Russia. Russia may have shared it with China, but I doubt it.

[DreamsInDigital]

Not to mention the Benevolents have sworn and physically shown their abilities to prevent Nuclear Weapons from being launched. What gets me is though, behind the scenes Russia and US are "buddies." so this really just seems like a lot of bravado and posturing. Since they keep getting stopped at the door with the "lets attack Iran" bullcrap, they're going to just "pick on someone else." But, Nuclear War will not be allowed to break out. It just wont. To many forces in this solar system and here on this planet that just wont let it happen.

[toad]

Personally I believe Putin and his chromies touting for an alliance with US, is just a ploy for their administration to stay in power given the drama surrounding the elections.

[RMorgan]

Hi!

Russia threatens?
I am sorry. Am I out of the world?
Please carefully look at the map where the american weapons are around Russia.
What is it, guys?

I am lost.

Spot on, my friend! I guess most people´s got a distorted vision of who is threatening who.

I guess, when someone puts automatic guns in your garden, pointing at you and your house and family, you´re the one who is supposed to feel threatened.

Cheers,

Raf.

[toad]

Hi!

Russia threatens?
I am sorry. Am I out of the world?
Please carefully look at the map where the american weapons are around Russia.
What is it, guys?

I am lost.

Spot on, my friend! I guess most people´s got a distorted vision of who is threatening who.

I guess, when someone puts automatic guns in your garden, pointing at you and your house and family, you´re the one who is supposed to feel threatened.

Cheers,

Raf.

The American way is to feel threatened if you're not pointing a weapon at someone. :(