The Vatican, Secret Societies - Part 1 & 2

[robert]

The Vatican. One of the most mysterious places on earth. For centuries it has influenced our world events perhaps more than any other country on earth. How can the worlds smallest Sovereign Nation wield such power? Secrets.

The secrets and knowledge they hold hidden from the rest of the world behind the tight security of the Vatican walls.

Could an Ancient Cult rise again to infiltrate the Vatican Security and assassinate the Pope? Could this Secret Society be planning to take over the world Governments?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDW-VB67DRc&feature=uploademail


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pfg9VtcKgA&feature=uploademail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pmv5UOlIs8&feature=uploademail

[robert]

Just added part 3 to the initial thread.

Enjoy

- Robert

[58andfixed]

Interesting, however the topics of an Illuminati and the Vatican are relatively well covered in relation to the B.I.S. -- the Bank of International Settlements -- headquartered in Basel Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/BankIntZahlungsausgleich.jpg/220px-BankIntZahlungsausgleich.jpg

is an intergovernmental organization of central banks which "fosters international monetary and financial cooperation and serves as a bank for central banks."

http://www.bis.org/about/arch_guide.pdf

"The BIS Archive is not a public archive and the BIS does not have a legal obligation to grant access to its records."

"However, in the interest of openness and academic research, the BIS decided to voluntarily open its historical Archive to the public in March 1998."

"Under the BIS open archive rules, records relating to the Bank’s business and operational activities which are over 30 years old are available for consultation, with the exception of a limited number of records that remain private or confidential even after 30 years have elapsed."

"It is within the BIS’s discretion to determine which records will not be released for public consultation."

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http://db.dodis.ch/dodis?XE7lhitk68WevtQZoBQGKKkRSec6hsd8sigXIwqmWmTcQMYANimnuYUD8u23ScvtJSiw9zDbbKreLMTE

"One hundred and thirty years of central bank cooperation"

a BIS perspective / by Claudio Borio and Gianni Toniolo, Basel

Bank for International Settlements, Monetary and Economic Department, 2006, X, 36 S. ;

BIS working papers, no. 197. A contrib. to the fourth BIS Annual Conference Past and Future of Central Bank Cooperation, Basel, Switzerland, 27-29 June 2005.

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Try for instance, finding out about the security force that guards the B.I.S. and watches over the member Central Banks of the World.

While there are similarities of to the "Noble Guard (Vatican)" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_Guard_(Vatican))they answer to different people.

Notice who else in headquartered in Basel Switzerland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Zionist_Organization

".. WZO, was founded as the Zionist Organization or ZO, in 1897 at the First Zionist Congress, held from August 29 to August 31 in Basel, Switzerland."

"It changed its name to World Zionist Organization in January 1960."

I wonder if WZO has a security force, and if there are any similarities with the security force for the B.I.S. or even the 'Nobel Guard.'

These are much less documented organizations and their histories are not well known to the common people.

I believe Stephen Zarlenga's (2002) "The Lost Science of Money" would be a good fit for a documentary that encompasses these 'secret societies in the open,' for they are little known and little understood.

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[THIRDEYE]

robert ty for this thread....jordan maxwell has a vast knowledge of the vatican and its secrets....svali has an interview on camelots reports and interviews...svali is an x illumanti member..she goes in depth about the secret cereomomys that transpire at the vatican...imo the vatican is one of the most powerfull establishments in the world....they control billions of dollars from the church...i think the vatican is evil,and i dont mean to offend anybody here at avolon ...so if i have my apologies....one more usefull note the vatican brokered project paper clip of giving the nazi researchers assylum in countrys thru out the world....jordan maxwell is the man to research he knows the deep secrets of the vatican....with love light and abundance too all....thirdeye....

[Siberia9]

If you really want to begin making sense of all this there are a few things you MUST understand or you will chase your tale endlessly. You must understand The Donation of Constantine, the Vatican through fraud took over the royal family's and kicked out the real bloodlines and replaced them with lessor family members and unrelated employees. You see there are 13 Bloodlines that you call the Illuminati, but they are not, they are The Brotherhood of Shadows and many sub groups with different names as well. The Illuminati wanted a New World Order without Kings and the Vatican etc. They were the Founding Fathers of the US, they pulled off the French Revolution, the The American Revolution and many others. They are of the same ilk but want a free society without petty bureaucrats etc. Don't get me wrong they want to take your children away and have them raised for you etc but what we have running things now is much worse. The Illuminati started the Scottish Rite Freemasonry with Nights Templar Ideals which was taken over by the Brotherhood, so the waters are murky at best here. All of this is also why the 13 bloodlines own EVERY mega corporation on the planet and send billions of Dollars a year to a Vatican run organization called Legatus. It is why all of your world leaders are related and are members of the Brotherhood not the Illuminati. This includes the current telepromter reader from the US. I am related to the original Royals that were kicked out and those who replaced them, as well as being related to the 13 Bloodlines and members of the Illuminati and Founding Fathers hence my perspective. You may notice people that speak out on this subject blame the Illuminati, this is so that they may be able to avoid paying to heavy a price for what they have said, as the Brotherhood would like you to blame the Illuminati for their misdeeds. I'm sure you have noticed that Leo Zagami used the word Illuminati countless times but never said The Brotherhood of Shadows once in his interview. That was his way of balancing what he was doing. So again The donation of Constantine gives the Vatican the power over world leaders and corporations, and Freemasonry is run by the Rothchild banksters which is full of police and military members, leaving out in the cold some not so innocent members of other groups like my blood drinking previously Royal cousins that openly admit to being bred by the Anunaki and Nephliem to rule over the people on this planet.
Once you dig into what I have said you may find that the in fighting makes more sense to you but you are still left with the same problem, you are a slave to these clowns and are still in trouble until there is a major change on this planet. The Illuminati has said that we ARE going to have a New World Order soon but which kind remains to be seen. I vote neither kind.

[58andfixed]

I'm seem to be in the same ballpark as you Siberia9.

I think that there are more secret societies, and the Illuminati are simply getting more headline press and air-time than other ones at this point in time. There are a number of cabals.

I did a search on David Livingstone's (2007) "Terrorism and the Illuminati, A Three Thousand Year History," and can also confirm a dearth of references to the 'Brotherhood of Shadows.'

I only come up with hits having to do with 'World of Warcraft,' so how do you know of the nature of 'Brotherhood of Shadows' ?

I do have to give points for David Livingstone's research on the 'Muslim Brotherhood.' He brings in history and territory I don't find elsewhere. His research is quite excellent.

It seems very much like a huge puzzle, and us plebes don't have the cover of the box with the photo of what this is all supposed to look like. We will very much have to have our tools of discernment on for yet to be revealed agendas run by yet to be revealed powers that are off of the radar screen.

I think this change on the distribution of wealth, power and justice is going to be a multi-generational effort, and we must plan well for educating the younger generations.

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I'm sure you have noticed that Leo Zagami used the word Illuminati countless times but never said The Brotherhood of Shadows once in his interview.

[Siberia9]

"I only come up with hits having to do with 'World of Warcraft,' so how do you know of the nature of 'Brotherhood of Shadows' ? "

I have family in both camps, but I cant really elaborate. This is a dangerous subject, if you say or type BOS it will get their attention. Rather than me getting into trouble I would direct you to Wes Penre, I think he still has a website, he is close with a Royal cousin of mine that is against them as well. Perhaps that is why the BOS has not disappeared him yet. Either that or they are ready for some of you to have an understanding of them, hard to say. I stay clear of them myself so I'm not sure.

[58andfixed]

I appreicate the tip, heads-up, and cautionary warning.

This wouldn't be the first time I've gotten into touchy topics.

http://www.illuminati-news.com/wes_penre-articles.htm

http://www.illuminati-news.com/illuminism.htm

"Today, on April 17, 2005, I completed my E-Book which you can download here for free."

"It is called "Illuminism - The Occult Force behind Globalization" and is simply an attempt to compile the articles I have written so far on the subject of the New World Order for this website."

"Instead of reading my articles one by one on the website, you can download the E-Book in .pdf format and read it like a book off-line, chapter by chapter."

"The articles in the E-Book have been slightly edited and are therefore not exactly the same as on the website."

~~ Wes Penre

http://www.illuminati-news.com/illuminism-by-wes-penre.pdf

Wes has a very comprehensive overview/introduction here. (http://www.illuminati-news.com/moriah.htm)

BTW, with the cabal mentioned by Carroll Quigley (1966) "Tragedy and Hope," do you have any insight on the connections or relationships between the different cabals and the one Carroll mentions?

http://www.tranquility.net/~rwinkel/911/TragedyAndHope.pdf

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Rather than me getting into trouble I would direct you to Wes Penre, I think he still has a website, he is close with a Royal cousin of mine that is against them as well.

[Siberia9]

Wow, Penre has been busy indeed, thanks, I will have to have a look at some of that. usually I don't read the info out there because its always off in the details and connections because they don't understand the in fighting and who is who. However Penre gets it, as far as Ive read anyway.
I have been try'n to read his book on Supriem Rockefeller since he wrote it but it just creeps me out and I cant get through it. But if memory serves he speaks of the Bavarian Illuminati and The Brotherhood in the book. You can download it for free here http://supriemrockefeller.wordpress.com/

PS Supriem himself is a WHOOOOOLE other subject that is not worth the arguing in my oppinion. It would require another thread to handle and frankly not worth the energy.

[Ishtar]

I think if you read it, Siberia9, you'll very soon realise that Supriem Rothschild is just another Rothschild being prepared and groomed to rule the world. He is the Old World Order disguised as the New World Order with a new back story, now that the old Christianity one has failed. This new interpretation of the Enuma Elish and other Sumerian texts is based on Zechariah Stichin's misunderstandings about them, and it is the problem that always happens when non-spiritual people try to read mythic texts composed by mystics.

n my experience, the ‘gods’ of the old scriptures, such as the Anunnaki, the Fae, the Tuatha da Danaan, the Vedic Asuras etc, are the intradimensional (not extraterrestrial) beings known as the spirits to the shaman and to other mystics. They were known by many different names in different cultures. The Mystery religions of the late Neolithic period in Egypt and the Middle East turned them into ‘gods’ with human form in their stories, just to give them an identity that people could relate to and this includes the Anunnaki.

They are benign beings that live alongside us here ~ they are already here, but in other dimensions, and the shaman contacts them through trance for guidance and information.

I wasn't surprised to learn that Supriem Rothschild is being backed by various intelligence factions within the CIA and the Pentagon, as they've been drip drip drip feeding this psy-ops campaign across the internet through unwitting stooges for a number of years. Supriem Rothschild is prolbably not the only candidate for the "Messiah" or "Saviour". They will have a number of possibles lined up in the wings and they'll see which one 'takes' best ... the rest they'll discard without a second thought.

You only have to read the email to Leo Zagami from Supriem Rothschild's then right-hand man, Michael N Prescott, (which was, in effect, Supriem unleashed with the gloves off) to see what a violent, nasty and arrogant control freak he really is ... in true Rothchild fashion, in other words, a chip off the old block. Prescott's anger comes after a failure to recruit Zagami and his fear about what Zagami will do with the information he'd received.



Dear Leo,

You are such a prideful piece of ****, **** you, you think you can sell a story about us or somehow gain from it, I know who you are and I know who DXXXX XXXXX is and if you think for one moment you can match our power, think again, you will not want Supriem's rebuke and he will mock you in your hour of decline, you of little faith always need proof, let me tell you this if you don’t believe in Supriem then you don’t believe anything and we will expel you from Rome and anyone who has any dealings with you, test us, go ahead, you tell anyone who challenges us, they will perish where they stand, and you all will bow down and worship Supriem and make for yourselves his image and worship, in honor of him, and no matter who you are great or small rich or poor king or subject alike you will all take his mark, so let me tell you Leo if you think you are going to start a **** talking campaign on us just remember Rome is not that far away and when we rule this world you will have nowhere to hide, you and DXXXX XXXXXX, are little piss ants, DXXXXXX thinks he's some big rich CEO who is exempt from honoring Supriem well he's got it wrong also, you better tell all the Illuminati who think like you that they had better fall in line and forget who they are and their big names because to us they are nothing and we will ride right over them all combined, so we had better see some humble submission very soon because you will not want to see us face to face in your current poor blind and destitute state.

Woah!

I think it's about time we threw off the shackles of all the Rothschilds, Rockefellers, Warburgs, Morgans et al, and all the various Brotherhoods, Templars and Illuminati, and stood on our own two feet. We are grown ups now. We can see. We are aware. We are intelligent. So we no longer need false gods foisted on us in order to run decent and productive lives, and certainly not arrogant bullies like this one.