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AMystic3434
23rd November 2011, 14:20
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

Eagle
23rd November 2011, 14:26
Granted you are right in the fact that more awareness needs to take place and that change is not happening soon enough but look at us human beings, anytime we are pushed into something we are not read for or do not understand we have a natural tendency to push back hard. It is not so much the fact that things need to change, but they can’t be done by force otherwise it will be rejected regardless if it is for our higher good or not.

RMorgan
23rd November 2011, 14:31
Yeah...I don´t think any shift will happen in 2012. Such kind of shift doesn´t happen like magic.

We, humans, are just like that 55 years old man, who smokes since 15, drinks beer everyday, eats bacon for breakfast and stays on the couch all day watching tv. The doctor always warn such kind of men about their lifestyle, but they never listen. Usually, such men just change their destructive habits after they suffer a heart attack or a stroke.

Unfortunately, I believe that we, humans, are just like these guys...We will only change after something really terrible comes to happen.

Cheers,

Raf.

modwiz
23rd November 2011, 14:39
A big part of the problem is that the enormity and depravity of the situation is a paradigm shatterer. It is more darkness than most are willing to enter. Most peoples egos are fragile critters. Watch an average conversation in a detached way and watch the egos/personas dance. It is basically all on auto-pilot, beyond any actual real time interaction from a deeper part of our being or Self.

Removal of the day to day paradigm is equivalent to throwing people out of their home and into the street having to find a new abode for themselves. The ego knows this and protects the day to day majority consensus reality as hallowed ground not to be violated. This is our big hurdle because it requires people to be willing to be homeless and clueless for a time while they depend on the kindness of strangers who they believe do not exist. What we experience very closely follows what we expect, except for those breakthrough moments, those windows of opportunity to grow that you have to be aware of to take advantage of.

To work a theme of mine, I have a Fools' hope for humanity. It is how I roll.

13th Warrior
23rd November 2011, 14:41
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

9eagle9
23rd November 2011, 14:44
If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

And then look at evolving people and see how angry other's are at them....lol.

AMystic3434
23rd November 2011, 14:56
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

13th Warrior
23rd November 2011, 15:00
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

AMystic3434
23rd November 2011, 15:06
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

East Sun
23rd November 2011, 15:09
We are now beginning to realize that there is an unseen war going on that most people are not aware of. It's nothing new--it always starts before the physical wars, continues with the murdering of conditioned and innocent people and goes on afterwards. It's the worst kind of war because we don't see it. It is kept hidden by the powerful who stand to benefit always. Now more than ever we are on to them. So there is real hope.

But if there is no such thing as Divine intervention we humans are in big trouble unless we evolve or our dna changes naturally.

If there is such a thing as Divine involvement then we have a better chance.

The other possibility is that the ones mentioned in the Bible and by other civilizations come back and that could be good or bad depending what they want from us. In any case things are changing faster and hopefully will end up better, at least for a thousand years or whatever.

Eric J (Viking)
23rd November 2011, 15:15
Yeah i feel like this at times...everyone (well most of) seems to be so engulfed in their automated reality that at times it's near impossible to wake them up...drives me bloody mad at times!!...all I can say is that the ptw has done a bloody good job at creating mass brainwashing and the reality we have today... roll on karma>>>>>>>>>>

I think two things would knock everybody's socks off...1. a pole shift and... 2. the realisation of ET...

viking

dourpil
23rd November 2011, 15:18
All is perfect. Do not worry for everyone is/will be at the right place at the right time.

We've already made the shift. In some way at least. There's a reason for all of us to be incarnated on Earth right now. There's a reason for every quake and every storm. There's a reason for the "ignorance" to still manifest. See the Light in it and let it manifest in what's best for you here and now.

We made the shift already.

13th Warrior
23rd November 2011, 15:18
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

You seem to be saying the same thing as those who believe that in the end time Jesus will return to save them but, only if the word of him has been spread to all on Earth?

Eagle
23rd November 2011, 15:19
I think that the shift has been made available, but it is still a choice to accept it.

9eagle9
23rd November 2011, 15:30
If we as humanity have influence on how it plays out then perhaps we have enough influence to prevent mass destruction from occuring. Granted I think the only way to get people's heads out of their arses is a one singluar cosmic event that will be so noticeable as to everyone's consious awareness is pulled from whatever is currently tying it up so all focus is away from holds it in bondage. That's what I think,...

what I know is the likely hood of that happening is closer to zero. Observing human nature tells me that.

then again if we all think 'something' is going to happen the goverment could make damn sure it will...to their benefit.

And human nature across the span of time has been utterly dependable.....nothing much as changed in thousands of years.

When the great flood occurred as depicted in many cultural saga's its implicated the deluge occurred closer to a time when we knew who we really were and had all sorts of magical influential abilities. A time of spiritually and culturally advanced technology.

In spite of this implication, the flood still occured so I suspect with as dumbed down as we are now we aren't as influential even as much as we were then.... And the flood seems to have ushered in a time of great stupidiy or rather sleeping in humanity. Something that appears to have happened over a great period of time during and after the flood. .

Meaning it didn't start raining and people just began caroming about ---durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrh--I don't know who I am.

Do I suspect that something or someone took advantage of that shock and trauma ....sure. Do I think someone or somethings will take advantage of next year's 'predicted' shock and trauma...Do I think that shock and trauma of mass destruction could have a devastating effect on one's psyche...I have no reason to suspect otherwise. they did it with 9/11.

I suspect that people assume that one catastrophe promoted our state of unawareness and that another will automatically fix it?

If there any value at all in mass destruction waking people up I think one should reference 9/11--great mass desctruction that riled people up for a while before falling into even greater stupidity, and then finally the same old complacency.

I'm not sure that is the truth but it is at least observable .Or rather more obviated than some mysterious shift without origins, mechanism or even reason occuring that is supposed to promote some instant magical effect. I suspect if anything happens next year humanity will be a long time in recovering from it...Espeically as we seem to be just now recovering from the last great known catastrophe.

Fred Steeves
23rd November 2011, 15:36
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

Just when the the caterpillar thought life was over, it became a butterfly. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, so to speak, I can feel it. There's no mother ship on it's way to save us, oh no, that's up to us, and I believe we are going to do it in dramatic fashion. That's how we roll. :) This is the biggest show in town, and the audience is not going to be disappointed in the surprise ending.

Bet the long shot, and hold on tight.

Asyloth
23rd November 2011, 15:43
I do understand the way you feel, like viking, sometimes when I fall on people with incredible closed minds it's really making you feel defeated, like you can't overcome the programming with some people, I'll take the example of my father-in-law who is the most closed minded and pro-establishement I've ever met (he's manager btw). Actually at the beginning, the way he was responding to all this was really making me wonder if he wasn't part of a secret society or something like that, but today I just think he's totally entraped in his beliefs about the system. One day (a couple of weeks ago), my mother even got very angry at him, she was yelling like he was on the other end of the street :p cause she couldn't stand the way he was answering me in his "I know it all" fashion, giving his points and views and not even having the respect to listen to mine, I've been in this situation more than once so I've learned to deal with it with peace but my mother just couldn't stand it, my mother didn't especially agree with me, but she couldn't stand his attitude towards me.
The strange thing is that when I begin to talk about the oligarchy, the manipulations behind de scenes, the fact that politicians and medias are controlled, the way the economic and financial system were designed to enslave us and all the rest of it, that you all know very well about here, he always reacts like I am attacking him when I'm clearly not, I'm just expressing my views and never even thought about targeting him, so I'm always surprised about how mad he gets when I begin to talk about this kind of subject, he directly closes himself, he almost can't listen to what I'm saying, then he'll just cut me, say what he thinks about it even if it has nothing to do with the subject sometimes and then say "I don't want to talk about it anymore", it's kind of frustrating but I keep on doing it, mostly talking with my mother and maybe one day he'll listen to what I say :p But I don't see what I could do more, I can't tie him and force him to listen to me :p

But on the other side, I've begun my awakening two years ago, I've been a reeeeeal fast awakener :p And I've got to say that in general, people I talk with today are for the greatest part a lot lot lot lot more open to all of this than they were just one year ago, to me the difference is astonishing, I mean there's a world between their reactions now and then, one year ago people were often looking at me like I was from another planet or something when I begun talking about some serious issues, today they understand how it makes sense and it's possible to have a conversation about all this with most people even if they don't agree with you and most of the time it makes them think and wonder if you're not actually right.

So I think there's hope, but hope is not enough ;)

Kindred
23rd November 2011, 15:43
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

Our 'Savior' had already been provided once - another will not be coming. The solution to humankind's problems will not be from the 'outside' We need to look Inside Ourselves for any further 'salvation'. True Peace comes from Within, not from without.

I was truly heartened by the piece on Damanhur, after delving into it's background and the formation of the group mindset necessary to create it. I also find it very telling that the Vatican had tried to get it destroyed! It appears that this concept is perceived as a real threat to the power of the Church, and by extension, All religion.

I remain hopeful that such a mindset, as exemplified by Damanhur, is able to expand and captivate humanity in a more complete manner. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35233-The-stunning-temples-built-in-Italy

In Unity and Peace - for this is where humankind needs to go.

9eagle9
23rd November 2011, 15:45
The Mother ship is a win win situation!

Frame: A mother ship is speeding your way manned by benevolent, warm, kind , caring entities that are coming to save your dumb butt.

The good thing is , if that is true, then those kind warm, all loving entities will forgive my lack of belief in them. If someone is coming ot save us then...I don't have to do anything! Which is why I object to the notion in the first place. One's salvation is up to them.

But even if I do or don't....It's a win win situation.

Unless they erupt up like the God of the OT and say, You didn't beleive in us! You're not being saved.

Then I still win. They are not the kind warm all loving entites they claimed to be and now i have proof.

win win.

;)





I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

Just when the the caterpillar thought life was over, it became a butterfly. There's a lot going on behind the scenes, so to speak, I can feel it. There's no mother ship on it's way to save us, oh no, that's up to us, and I believe we are going to do it in dramatic fashion. That's how we roll. :) This is the biggest show in town, and the audience is not going to be disappointed in the surprise ending.

Bet the long shot, and hold on tight.

AMystic3434
23rd November 2011, 15:45
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

If i'm following you correctly? Your lack of ability to evolve is caused by someone else?

It has nothing to do with evolving, Im just saying that if enough people are not awake when the earth shifts (which I think it has to do in order for the new age to begin) there is going to be mass destruction. We as humanity have influence on how it plays out but in order to minimize damage I think more people have to be awake to truth which I dont see happening.

The same as for the second coming of Christ; the word of the Lord has to be spread to all in the land?

I have no idea what you mean?

You seem to be saying the same thing as those who believe that in the end time Jesus will return to save them but, only if the word of him has been spread to all on Earth?

na, i wasnt trying to do that.

shamanseeker
23rd November 2011, 15:46
I think that maybe some of you are being a little too negative. I think Fred's right. I see a change in people. People I teach are changing. They are opening up and accepting things they wouldn't have done even a short time ago. Most of them have never heard of the things we have known for a long time before so we need to be patient with them. We were sleeping once, too! When I started teaching English to an old lady 6 months ago she was incredibly conservative and believed everything the Church had taught her but she's opening up and is listening to what I'm saying now. I think we need to speak to people gently and with humour otherwise they will naturally build a wall between us and not listen. We can't rush it. We aren't religious missionaries. There is a time for every one.

STATIC
23rd November 2011, 16:06
I don't think it is wise to get angry at people for not being in sink with your level of awareness.


"Everyone who seeks should continue seeking until he finds. When he finds, he will be troubled at the contemplation of Truth, but when he has passed through the time of trouble, he will be astonished at the brightness of the Light, for the Way of Truth is the Pathway to the Eternal Godhead, and the price of the beatific vision is the wringing of the soul. The person who desires to rise above all things must descend below all things, for the way to the heights passes through the depths of anguish, which generate the fires of Life. The person who has suffered and found Life is blessed." (Yeshua)

Everyone has there own learning curve, and a good teacher will give only knowledge that he knows you are ready for.
Everyone here at avalon want's to see change, like right now. But I'm pretty sure that this will be a process that doesn't happen in one big swoop.

kersley
23rd November 2011, 16:30
I think in order for us to make the shift in 2012 and minimize the destruction on earth more people need to wake up, but it doesnt seem to be happening. People dont want to wake up. I think this will mean massive earthquakes and storms, a possible pole shift that will wipe out most of humanity. Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time. I suppose the worst thing that can happen is that we die, but there is most definetly life beyond death so no matter what happens everything will be alright.

I'm very sorry but i'm not ready to just lay down and die. The shift has already begun...more and more people are waking up everyday. look around you.. don't wait for your government to announce anthing, keep your eyes to the skies.
it wont be long before we meet our space brothers.

Peace of Mind
23rd November 2011, 16:36
Although the power of unity is unfathomable… you should never underestimate the power of one.

Great strides in humanity were inspired by the unyielding love and commitment of only a few. If they have lost hope… none of us will be here today discussing ways to further our advancement. If you have that fighting spirit… let it be known. Show it! You’ll be surprised at how many will take your side once they realize your intentions. IMO, our hang ups have to do with people having trouble shedding their fears, they are looking for leaders to provide them with examples on how to remove those blockages. Be that change so the unaware can assess the pros and cons. If they see the light they will follow and become the leaders they were meant to be. Tolerance and patience is very important. This isn't something that happened to us over night, everyone here was asleep too at one point.

When you’re in a good sleep sometimes you become groggy and upset when someone wakes you up. Occasionally, the best approach is a subtle one. Gradually coming out of a deep slumber is better than being kicked out of the bed…at that point you are just making it worse for yourself.

Peace

Mark (Star Mariner)
23rd November 2011, 16:37
Yes absolutely agree kersley. We were all asleep ourselves once, for each will awaken in their own time – even if they ignore the several alarm calls. It's just a matter of time, and I believe more and more are getting out of bed every day.

But going back to AMystic's original post, no need to worry friend. I believe there's plenty of time yet. The window could well be many years, this shift has supposedly only just begun. There's a hell of a lot more changes, events, disclosures, wake-up calls on their way. One day, sooner or later, the proverbial straw will break the camel's back, and even the sleepiest of souls will stir, sit up, and say, "wait a minute, what was that? What the heck is going on...?"

That poor camel is straining under the growing weight it is forced to bear, it gets heavier every single day. Do not worry about wars, and cataclysms. It only needs to be single piece of straw.

And it won't come too late. As long as there are people left in the world who, in their higher selves, want to make the shift, and are ready for it, the window will remain open. It will not close on them.

Lord Sidious
23rd November 2011, 17:05
Well, the world is screwed up for one reason, we are corrupted within and the without is merely the external representation of that.
So, if you want things to change for the better, the answer is quite simple, we need to change for the better first.
Much like treating an illness, if you treat the cause, the symptoms go away as that which caused them ceased.
Once we work on ourselves, those around us will notice.
This can have a chain reaction affect, but it all starts with us.

Seikou-Kishi
23rd November 2011, 17:36
Do you have any idea how much the external world is changeable by an internal decision? Have you ever wondered why the optimist and the pessimist seem to live in completely different worlds? Physically, they live in the same world but in every other respect they do not. The pessimist's world is sinister and unappealing while in the optimist's world, the good is unvanquishable. The world is a mirror whereby you can examine your own noumenal world; if the world leaves you with little hope, it is likely because you have given up trying to see the best. I cannot tell you how you can change this, because for a time I was the pessimist of pessimists, but now I have a sturdy part of myself that never gives in whatever else happens. I do not know how I cultivated it and even if I did it might not help you, but the thought occurs that I cultivated nothing, I just recognised what was already there.

Find something to remain happy about, and when other people give you cause to despair, remember that human weakness is very much the hallmark of the incarnated life and that for all their weakness can be vexing, essentially there is good within them which has either been eclipsed by too much 'world involvement' or they have lost their priorities. In any case, pity them but do not revile them; but for the grace of god, or but for random chance if you prefer, you might well be in their position without regard for honour, integrity or some sort of moral code.

Thinking rightly, nobody would prefer to be dishonourable, or to revel in moral weakness, so we must tell ourselves that these people are not thinking rightly. Truely, this Earth has many good points but even the most blissful of optimists would concede that it also has painful aspects; if the majority have gone through life's collisions and been damaged by them, make allowances for their weaknesses and for the weltschmerz that took them there.

Cultivate a sense of optimism and forgiveness for the weaknesses and frailties of others and, while it won't make life a bed of roses, it will make it a lot easier to navigate, it will give you an inner serenity to which to retreat when times are hard and it will literally change your entire world, since everything you know of the world is not only based upon the world, but is filtered by your perception; changing your perception of the world might not change the world in some abstract sense of objectivity, but it will change the world as it relates to you.

I hope you get over your hopelessness.

percival tyro
23rd November 2011, 18:30
Are we divine enough to manufacture a happy ending. Are timelines tangible scenarios or illusory ones.....The Hindus say that 2012 marks the end of Kali Yuga, the degenerate era. Buddhism says that 2012 closes the cycle of time related to consciousness change.

lake
23rd November 2011, 20:56
Although the power of unity is unfathomable… you should never underestimate the power of one.

Great strides in humanity were inspired by the unyielding love and commitment of only a few. If they have lost hope… none of us will be here today discussing ways to further our advancement. If you have that fighting spirit… let it be known. Show it! You’ll be surprised at how many will take your side once they realize your intentions. IMO, our hang ups have to do with people having trouble shedding their fears, they are looking for leaders to provide them with examples on how to remove those blockages. Be that change so the unaware can assess the pros and cons. If they see the light they will follow and become the leaders they were meant to be. Tolerance and patience is very important. This isn't something that happened to us over night, everyone here was asleep too at one point.

When you’re in a good sleep sometimes you become groggy and upset when someone wakes you up. Occasionally, the best approach is a subtle one. Gradually coming out of a deep slumber is better than being kicked out of the bed…at that point you are just making it worse for yourself.

Peace


Well, the world is screwed up for one reason, we are corrupted within and the without is merely the external representation of that.
So, if you want things to change for the better, the answer is quite simple, we need to change for the better first.
Much like treating an illness, if you treat the cause, the symptoms go away as that which caused them ceased.
Once we work on ourselves, those around us will notice.
This can have a chain reaction affect, but it all starts with us.


Do you have any idea how much the external world is changeable by an internal decision? Have you ever wondered why the optimist and the pessimist seem to live in completely different worlds? Physically, they live in the same world but in every other respect they do not. The pessimist's world is sinister and unappealing while in the optimist's world, the good is unvanquishable. The world is a mirror whereby you can examine your own noumenal world; if the world leaves you with little hope, it is likely because you have given up trying to see the best. I cannot tell you how you can change this, because for a time I was the pessimist of pessimists, but now I have a sturdy part of myself that never gives in whatever else happens. I do not know how I cultivated it and even if I did it might not help you, but the thought occurs that I cultivated nothing, I just recognised what was already there.

Find something to remain happy about, and when other people give you cause to despair, remember that human weakness is very much the hallmark of the incarnated life and that for all their weakness can be vexing, essentially there is good within them which has either been eclipsed by too much 'world involvement' or they have lost their priorities. In any case, pity them but do not revile them; but for the grace of god, or but for random chance if you prefer, you might well be in their position without regard for honour, integrity or some sort of moral code.

Thinking rightly, nobody would prefer to be dishonourable, or to revel in moral weakness, so we must tell ourselves that these people are not thinking rightly. Truely, this Earth has many good points but even the most blissful of optimists would concede that it also has painful aspects; if the majority have gone through life's collisions and been damaged by them, make allowances for their weaknesses and for the weltschmerz that took them there.

Cultivate a sense of optimism and forgiveness for the weaknesses and frailties of others and, while it won't make life a bed of roses, it will make it a lot easier to navigate, it will give you an inner serenity to which to retreat when times are hard and it will literally change your entire world, since everything you know of the world is not only based upon the world, but is filtered by your perception; changing your perception of the world might not change the world in some abstract sense of objectivity, but it will change the world as it relates to you.

I hope you get over your hopelessness.


Was going to put my point of view, but your other parts of us have already spoken my words.

As it should be.

Will say that even conversing with the most confrontational 'asleep' of us, all I can hear is:


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How can you see into my eyes like open doors?
Leading you down into my core where I've become so numb
Without a soul, my spirit sleeping somewhere cold
Until you find it there and lead it back home

Wake me up
(Wake me up inside)
I can't wake up
(Wake me up inside)
Save me
(Call my name and save me from the dark)

Wake me up
(Bid my blood to run)
I can't wake up
(Before I come undone)
Save me
(Save me from the nothing I've become)

Now that I know what I'm without
You can't just leave me
Breathe into me and make me real
Bring me to life

Wake me up
(Wake me up inside)
I can't wake up
(Wake me up inside)
Save me
(Call my name and save me from the dark)

Wake me up
(Bid my blood to run)
I can't wake up
(Before I come undone)
Save me
(Save me from the nothing I've become)

I've been living a lie
There's nothing inside
Bring me to life

Frozen inside without your touch
Without your love, darling
Only you are the life among the dead

All this time, I can't believe I couldn't see
Kept in the dark but you were there in front of me
I've been sleeping a thousand years it seems
Got to open my eyes to everything

Without thought, without voice, without a soul
Don't let me die here
There must be something more
Bring me to life

Wake me up
(Wake me up inside)
I can't wake up
(Wake me up inside)
Save me
(Call my name and save me from the dark)

Wake me up
(Bid my blood to run)
I can't wake up
(Before I come undone)
Save me
(Save me from the nothing I've become)

I've been living a lie
There's nothing inside
Bring me to life


With all love

Daughter of Time
23rd November 2011, 21:52
When I communicate with kindred spirits, I feel that the world is changing, people are awakening, there is hope!
When I communicate with the world out there, I feel that the more things seem to change, the more they stay the same. Sad! Sad! Sad!
The majority of the inhabitants on this planet do not seem to want to change. Maybe they think they're happy in their comfort zones, even if their comfort zones are filled with chaos.
I don't know whether humans themselves should be blamed for their obstinacy or whether we, as earthlings, are being horribly manipulated by other inter-galactic races who feed on our states of turmoil.
And I believe that 2012 will be a year like any other year, only, perhaps, a little bit worse! This is not pessimism on my part. I just don't see how the planet, as a whole, can become so spiritually advanced and consciously aware all of a sudden.
Let's do our part in bringing as much light to those around us as we can. That's all, I think, we can do.

Jenci
23rd November 2011, 21:59
Its sad really there was so much potential for the human race but I get the feeling that we wont wake up in time.


If we are waking up to the fact that we are eternal, timeless beings, it makes no sense that we have to do it "in time".

The only time we can ever change anything is here in the present moment as it is unfolding - Now. When we wake up to this, this is the best hope for all of humanity. What better way to point others to their true nature by showing them it is not found in their past stuff or the future projections and fears.

Feelings come and go. Always.

All feelings have opposites and each opposite cannot be felt without the other. Without hope, we would not know despair. Without despair, we would not know hope. This is the One we are waking up to.

Despair is understandable with how things are in the world but if despair is arising in this moment, then it is to be felt - it is only this moment unfolding in the Now.
Feeling it, allows its expression fully. And once it is expressed, it is gone.
And then room is made for its opposite, hope, to be felt. Like the ebb and flow of the tide.

Jeanette

Davidallany
23rd November 2011, 22:00
The shift doesn't require a better intellect, but rather a kinder heart and more friendly and compassionate approach. Theses qualities are the basis of being at ease, and being at ease one can have clarity about life, people and choices.

Deborah (ahamkara)
23rd November 2011, 23:32
Nothing "happens" to people. All exists in the eternal moment. Attempting to orient oneself using exterior points of reference is like a tiger chasing its tail! You are the thing you are looking for. Resonate with the divinity within and the world is a Holy place. No one gets out alive anyway! Peace.

Wind
24th November 2011, 00:27
I think there is still alot hope for humanity. Nothing has been actually lost. In fact, like Charlie Sheen would say it... We are winning!

Sidney
24th November 2011, 03:56
I really hate to say it, but I too, have pretty much given up on not people, but society. That IMO is our biggest failure.

Carmody
24th November 2011, 03:59
And his name will be 'Skippy', for he will be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

If you recognize this bit then congratulations!.... you have been given 'the word', and it is within you....

But seriously.

IF, a jackbooted thug..is beating you to death while another is drowning your child, you won't reach for the paradigm you know. which is the jackbooted thug that is beating..etc.

And that is pretty darned well exactly where the entire world is right now. Southern baptist minister to Icelandic child, all the same.

They know this, in these times.

nowadays everyone has heard of the alternatives. they've heard of the other potentials, even if they think it is all ca-ca.

So, when being waterboarded, do you think the jackboot is going to save you, or the thing in the corner of your mind which you've thought of, that you are at the very least...aware of?

So when push comes to shove, no jackbooted thuggery is going to work anymore.

Not anywhere as near as effective as before.

THIS THING in front of you, this internet, has ruined it all, for them.

Everyone from the Icelandic kid to the southern baptist minister..has a conspiracy freak that they know of, in some way.

The connections really are primed and pumped.

As for Asians who might be in china, thy are well aware of thuggery. Hell, their relatives who lived with it are still in the house. Similar for the rest of Asia.

As for the middle east, they KNOW. they live it....and are not interested in more nastiness.

Even deepest soviet Russia has internet and posts weird videos on UFO's and the like.

EVERYONE knows something about it. Everyone is primed.

The least prepared is deep Africa, as my first guess. And even that is changing.

If the universe throws them a bone, I can guranfrikintee you that people will take it.

There are very very few people these days whom you could say 'UFO' to and have them react in ignorance. This is heady stuff.

Carmody
24th November 2011, 04:13
imagine going into the lunch room, at the local factory..and saying in total Ernest : Obama is showing us an alien! on national TV! HOLY CRAP!. then running to the TV in another room.

Everyone would run to see. Even if you are just ''having them on".

THAT is how close we are.

Think about it. It is so close that the majority would run to the TV room ......BEFORE dismissing it. NOT after.

That is a huge change.