Weight loss cure "THEY" don't want you to know about...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Ok I thought I'd share this little one with you...

I'm in the middle of a liquid HCG protocol weight loss program I'm doing without any doctors help or advice... please consider I've done 10 liver flushes AND don't drink alcohol or too many bad things for over 2 years but couldn't loose the last 10 kg of weight I wanted to to be lean and trim :)

I'd heard Kevin Trudeau talk about this and a couple of others on http://www.oneradionetwork.com/

And reading this article in NEXUS magazine last month http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

...and having an advert next to the article for homeopathic drops for £15 for ~2500 drops made me think I'll give it a go... (Ed Ward >>> www.goodvitality.com you will need to call them, it was removed from their website )

Now I suggest people read and reread the article 2-3 times and then make up their own minds :)

I have lost 7.5 kg in 3 weeks without EFFORT, without HEADACHES or CRAVINGS... but I have got rid of most of my cravings with detoxing etc before I did it...

There is no alcohol or sweets or starch for ~6-7 weeks so if you're addicted to these drinks/foods it may not work... I mean your will power will need to be powerful to reject these visual "draws". Two mouths of ice cream one weekend halted my weight loss for ~1-2 days.

Hope it helps someone else like it did me...

John

[Humble Janitor]

Eh, what's the point?

Eating healthy requires a lifestyle change, not diets. It's a good thing it's worked for you but I believe that it's better to just enjoy what you like in moderation and be as physically active as possible. I believe I've lost weight the past 2 weeks because I move around a lot more with a job that requires me on my feet 98% of the time.

[Connecting with Sauce]

HJ,
Check out the link :) if you really are interested in loosing the bits diets (by this I mean eating sensibly) or excercise don't seem to shift... I've had ~10kg I could not seem to shift.

I go the gym 3-4 times a week and have been doing for 4+ years... I also eat in moderation and very healthily but hit a level where I couldn't remove any more "stored Abnormal fat"... I only intend to change my eating habits for the time of the protocol and don't do diets either... The "reset" metabolism aspect of the protocol via the Hypothalamus is what attracted me to doing this from page 4 of the link...

"Dr Simeons finally concluded that the key to the obesity problem lies within the part
of the brain called the diencephalon, a complex of structures that includes the
thalamus and hypothalamus. It is particularly the compromised function of the
hypothalamus, he discovered, that is at the core of the problem."

[Goldenserenity]

The news just had something on about the future effects of HCG saying that the risks far outweigh the benefit you are receiving now, and that most people gain the weight back once they stop using the HCG. I personally have tried it as I have always been looking for that special key to make the weight drop off. I do find it for a little while, then it stops working and I gain back the weight plus another 10 or 15 pounds! But my point here is that the damage you could be inflicting upon yourself is not worth it, not to mention surviving on that 500 calorie diet.

I have recently made a change to my eating, and plan to keep it as it is working for me quite nicely. I have gone to live foods...veggies & fruits and some grains. In 6 weeks I have lost 14 pounds, have not been starving myself on that 500 calorie diet or using chemicals. Completely off of all sugars, starches and processed foods. And the best thing is is that this weight will stay off because I made a change in how and what I am now eating. I also incorporated the eating for your blood type which keeps me away from foods that are not good for certain blood types (or so the book says)

I wish you well on your weight loss journey!! :-)

[Celine]

Simple equations to weight loss are often ignored by "diet plans".

I have found the word diet, to be used in such misleading ways.

IMHO..if you have having issues loosing that "last 10kg" ..there maybe other underlining issues. As well it could be just the normal evolution of your body as you age.

As with most things in life...the less complicated the better..this has always worked for me.

Eat as much organic food as possible... especially milk products.

Eat as little meat and fish as possible.

Eat less...portion size as we all know has got to be one of the biggest problems in this issue.

Read labels... Knowing what you are eating is the first step. Helps you pay attention to portion sizes to.

Move more...i dont care if its at a gym or on the floor playing with grandkids or the dog...just MOVE!!

Laugh as much as you can.

Go outside.



The "Diet " industry, exists to make profits...there are NO profits in getting everyone slim and trim.

be well,
celine

[conk]

Celine, I hope you are consuming raw dairy products, otherwise you are hurting yourself. Processed dairy is very, very bad for your body. http://www.notmilk.com

And reading labels is good, but don't eat too much that even needs a label. Remember, fruits and veggies don't come with a label. Only junk does.

[Freedom]

I liked reading Kevin Trudeau's books...years ago...they were helpful to turning things around....but as I explored more alternatives...tried more things...researched and read...I would like to say....that we as humans should just go for as much of an alkaline diet as possible.....and try to add oxygen to the system as in the use of "cellfood"....this regiment should take you into the golden years happily, healthy and vibrant.

Namaste.....Freedom

[tone3jaguar]

It is supposed to reset your base point where you body naturally holds its weight. It is hit and miss. I have seen a few people do it. It only worked on about half of them.

[lilac]

aw, you guys:hungry:... I have just finished 4 weeks on HCG. Sooo looking forward to eating again. But I didn't lose a huge amount - about 15 pounds. It was pretty painless and the diet is nutritious, if sparse. I'm hoping I've broken the chain, and this will be a maintainable level. I was already starving and not getting anywhere. Post-menopause is tough for losing weight. Swanny, on another thread talked about obese people eating 3-4 times more than slim people - NOT TRUE. There is more to obesity than simple overeating. I do realize that America eats to much, but I've been a fish'n chickatarian for almost 40 years - grown gardens, eat organic, you name it. Sometimes our toxic world and its stresses are to blame. Anway, along with extra poundage there is often a mild depression. I finally decided this was worth a try just to get happy.:dance:

[Connecting with Sauce]

I wonder how many people who have replied here without knowing anything about HCG or reading the 13 page article (except lilac or Tone3J).

I've now lost 8kg without any effort and I'm strict with the cal intake less than 500 per day and no sugar/breads or starches as stipulated shortly I will be on the 3 week gradual increase of food again with no hHCG (just the memory effect of HCG in brandy water)... If you believed what the "news" said then the hHCG won't work... Each to their own.

I know full well the effects of needed to eat food as it grew etc etc as I did a load of research into cancer for my late Father, my life has changed nutritionally for the better since then on a number of ways. I wish I knew then what I know now...

Lilac 15 pounds for someone maybe with a smaller frame is great numbers... consistant steady loss. The eating again part is important for the first 3-4 weeks too with regards sugars and starches I read and that is the part to reset the glands so good luck :)

I want to continue it for another 3-5 days...

One this is for certain I don't feel like I'm starving :) and lunch is being prepared and I've not eaten for 14 hours and have no pains or pangs...

The author of the article is a ND and did the protocol... I don't this she would have done it if it wasn't safe or effective...

************

About the Author:
Sherrill Sellman, ND, is a naturopathic doctor (Board certified in integrative
medicine), an educator, a women's natural health expert, psychotherapist and
journalist in the field of women's health. She is also a much sought after international
lecturer, the host of two weekly radio shows, and a senior editor and contributing
writer to numerous health publications. She is the best-selling author of Hormone
Heresy: What Women MUST Know About Their Hormones and What Women MUST
Know to Protect Their Daughters from Breast Cancer. Dr Sellman is a scheduled
speaker at the 2010 NEXUS Conference in Queensland, Australia, on 24–26 July.
For more information, visit http://whatwomenmust know.com. To see the complete
version of Dr Sellman's article, go to
http://whatwomenmustknow.com/freereports/hcg.

[Goldenserenity]

I wonder how many people who have replied here without knowing anything about HCG or reading the 13 page article (except lilac or Tone3J).

I've read the book, and I've done my research online about it, I talked to others about the stuff, I listened to what the news said about it and I also bought some HCG. After all of that, I gave away the HCG to a friend who couldn't afford the 145.00 and I chose a different route that is much safer for me while I teach myself about proper nutrition and how to eat and feed myself so that I can have ever lasting results.

[cloud9]

I did this protocol when it came out but it didn't work for me, the last few days were very hard as I was always very hungry. However I believe in the principle and I know many people don't like Kevin Trudeau but I do like him and believe him.
What DID work for me was the Master Cleanse which is a 10 day fast (minimum). During those 10 days you just drink a lemonade with cayenne pepper and maple syrup, it's very good to detox the body and as a bonus you loose weight; incredibly I wasn't as hungry during the fast as I was during the other protocol.

[blackatiam]

Two years ago I used HCG. I lost 45 pounds. It has not come back. My whole body is different, resculped. I lost fat in places where I didn't know I had fat. I did two sessions of 45 days in 6 months. I was a litte wary at first, but after I read Dr. Simeons, Pounds and Inches, it really made sense to me. When I was in the midst of the sessions, I felt very light like a dancer; I was not hungry on the 500 calories , had plenty of energy and it was nice not to think about food all the time. I coupled it with Intermittant Fasting (Fast5.com) and now that is a lifetime change. Being AWAKE has opened up so many new ways of doing things . . . this was just one of them for me. Check out www.hcginfoonline.com. Temet Nosce.

[Connecting with Sauce]

A quick update 11kg lost as of this morning and approximately 7% body fat... (one of those BMI scales)... Another friend is at 7kg weight lost.

[Ammit]

Have you guys and gals ever tried juicing?.
I lost 2.5kilos a week while on it and had a healthier main meal each day.

[MiguelQ]

im finding for the weight gain..not lose..
How can that be?
You simple stop eating all the time, or do like me normaly do
I dont take break fast
i have lunch at 14:00
then dinner.. and thats it.
i dont even think about food lol, sometimes i forget to eat :S
no input no fat deposite right.

[kinsuemei2]

yeah and water retention can really cause trouble, for example eating one bag of salty chips can make the human body retain up to two liters of water.

[MiguelQ]

wish i could gain more weight, ITS on the genes you can almost do nothing about it.

[Connecting with Sauce]

A quick update 11kg lost as of this morning and approximately 7% body fat... (one of those BMI scales)... Another friend is at 7kg weight lost.

An update now a month on from stopping the drops... I stopped the drops the weekend of the Avebury camping. My weight has stayed off (like blackatiam) and I have stayed at 77-78kg for over the last Month, despite eating normally again.

I also know 2 people who have done similar with similar results AND 2 more starting this weekend based on my results. Will keep you posted on how these people progress.

[Ammit]

Drops??, drops of what?? the juicing diet is all natural, no pills drops or powders.....

[Victoria Tintagel]

Quote MiguelQ: "wish i could gain more weight, ITS on the genes you can almost do nothing about it". Hi MiguelQ, I suggest you eat breakfast at the start of your day, as this meal is the most beneficial to your body and digestive system. There is an old saying that goes like this "In the morning eat like a king, in the afternoon eat like a nobleman and in the evening eat like a beggar" This could help you to gain weight, although factors like stress, excersise, sleep-pattern, dietary components play a role in this, I think. A diet that supports the liver often helps to be energetic and good tempered. A maximum of 50 gram of meat a day, no refined products, no sugar, grapefruit and lemon juice drinks, warmth in food and clothing, support the liver. This organ is the garbage detox factory of the body and organic food provides a minimum of toxic bio-chemicals and is also free of G(enetic) M(anipulated) ingredients. This latest offense to nature is a great danger to our health, as it alters our DNA and fertility. It's a great danger to our health, see for yourself on www. responsibletechnology.com by Jeffrey Smith.
Why GM plants are designed is explained, by Jeffrey Smith, as follows:

Quote "The five main GM foods are soy, corn, cotton, canola, and sugar beets. Their derivatives are found in more than 70% of the foods in the supermarket. The primary reason the plants are engineered is to allow them to drink poison. They're inserted with bacterial genes that allow them to survive otherwise deadly doses of poisonous herbicide. Biotech companies sell the seed and herbicide as a package deal. Roundup Ready crops survive sprays of Roundup. Liberty Link crops survive Liberty. US farmers use hundreds of millions of pounds more herbicide because of these herbicide-tolerant crops, and the higher toxic residues end up inside of us. The LIA position paper acknowledges that "Individuals with infections that compromise immunity… and/or high toxin loads may also be especially susceptible to adverse effects from pesticides." (end of Quote)

What's this subject of GM doing in a debate on weightloss? Well, toxic bio-chemicals influence our emotions and moods. When depressed and unhappy, craving for food and eating food as a comfort to feel good can lead to obesity and the issue of weightloss. There's a link between bio-chemicals (in our food) and loss of autonomy and responsibility for oneself.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Drops??, drops of what?? the juicing diet is all natural, no pills drops or powders.....

Drops of Homeapathic HCG. if you read the original post you would have known.

I'm not sure wheat grass and eating healthily would reset the metabolism. Well I know it didn't work for the period before the drops of HCG. Juicing would also spike your blood sugar... but if it worked for you Ammit and you've got to your ideal weight superb.

[refuge2012]

My wife did a liver detox for her gall bladder, it was drink
1/4 every 15 minutes of olive oil
with 2 tbls lemon juice.
It took 6 hours and she passed several big stones in her stool.

Peace
Dan

[Mu2143]

It is very interesting about losing weight is when it is just about detoxifying and trying to get real food in. When I started to try to lose weight in 2008 it was around 80kg my length is 186 cm. In that year I got to about 74 Kg if I remember correctly and was still eating meat, because this an addiction and not a choice. You find this out when you try to avoid eating meat it same with alcohol.

In 2009 I got around 68 kg and was more on a 70-80% vegan diet.
In 2010 till know I got from 65kg to about 62.5 kg and I'm no longer addicted to meat since April 2010.

A simple conclusion is when you get real food in your weight willl normalize

The main focus is to get nutritional food in the body and get foods that aren't food out of you life style and your weight will normalize, since all the propaganda and confusion about losing weight is making people making to wrong choices about food and never get really a solution for there problems.

The first step is to avoid 99% till 100% what is available in the supermarkets. That's how bad it is today if you look in Holland for food if you do not avoid this then you going have problems with nutrition and that is why people fail on this one to get it right.

The main focus is to get greens and seafood (not the fishy things)=) in your diet, my main choices are and still is Dulse powder or iodine containing seafoods and for greens chorella/spiralina/blue green algae. If you get this in it will help to get off the cravings ,but it will take time and you have to shift your life style from dead food to real food in steps .

[Connecting with Sauce]

Just thought I'd give the thread a revisit. It is now 7+ months later. I have kept 9-10 kg of this weight off. I'm stable around 78-80 kg and I started at 88.8 kg. It did exactly what is said on the tin. I don't worry about food any longer.

I have also introduced this weightloss protocol to ~20+ people now and all those who have read the article and fully understood it and had the will power to stick through the first 2-3 days and follow the rules have ALL lost weight.

My brother and sister in law are currently doing it and bro has lost 1.5 stones in 2 weeks so far.

All the details are in the first post...

[witchy1]

My wife did a liver detox for her gall bladder, it was drink 1/4 every 15 minutes of olive oil with 2 tbls lemon juice.
Hi Refuge, do you have a link for this...........also 1/4 of what - teaspoon, tablespoon???

Cheers
W

[Raven]

Hi John - I have just read the 13 page article and makes sense to me

where did you order the product from? Thanks - Raven

[9eagle9]

I have ordered the hcg products from reliable pharmaceuticals. Online pharmacy. Me and several friends have ordered from there so its not just some crud as some fraud places will send you. Safe. That is if you do the injection route. Which I think is the best way. You can mix for sublingualy too but I think sublinguial is a PITA. This is the cheap way to do it instead of going to expensive retail. I ordered my injection supplies from HCG Basics. Then I just ended up finding them at a local drug store. the injection method I literally had to force myself to eat even the small portions you are allowed, I was never hungry. Got a little bored with my food but I could have been a bit more inventive.

I didn't try the Trudeua method but the orignal Dr. Simenons protocol that Trudeua based his on.

GNC offers homeopathic HCG that works. Its the first homeopathic I have found of HGG that works really well or at least approaches the injection method (I test all this stuff on myself before recommending to my clients). I did the HCG platinum after the holidays as a detox because I got a little reckless with the food and drink. Vanity weight a few pounds so I 'm not sure how well the homeopathic works in the long term. I was hungrier on it than on the injection method and holding it under my tongue was annoying. Some people have more patience than I. That one was HCG platinum. Much more expensive and a little less effective I think than injection method but it still worked. My clients rave about this diet and have lots tons of weight on it and I don't know of any of them that gained it back.

The homeopathic method didn't explain about the fat in the makeup, lotions, and shampoos but that needs to be avoided too. A friend of mine put herself off her weight loss by handling olive oil with her bare hands. Stymied her weight loss for a day or so.

[Connecting with Sauce]

Hi John - I have just read the 13 page article and makes sense to me

where did you order the product from? Thanks - Raven

Hi Raven,
I used a place in the UK called goodvitality. The drops were £15. worked for me and about 15-20 people that have used them.


Be aware there is a smear campaign for HCG going around... My brother sent me this in an email yesterday titled

"HCG being lined up for FDA target, must protect corp profits at all costs!".
http://www.suntimes.com/lifestyles/3459601-423/hcg-loss-products-weight-fda.html

He is on week 3 and lost 1.5 stones or about ~8.5kg for the metric brained. My sister in law has lost a little less but they are both thrilled.

We have all done the homeapathic drops not the injections. A number of you here on PA saw me as I ended my HCG session last year at the camping in the UK.

The company I got the drops from did not recommend the 500 cals thing but I followed it religiously and haven't used deodrant, shampoo or creams for ~3+ years so did have to worry about that part...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Update my brother has now lost over 2 stone. I'm looking forward to seeing my brother and sis in law slimmer and the confidence it will bring to their lives.

[modwiz]

The word diet is misused, badly in my opinion. A diet is what you eat, what you thrive on. My diet is a vegetarian one which varies according to the seasons here in the North East.

As soon as the jackets come off I am outside moving more and what little dairy(organic only) I eat becomes none by summer. I was 165 all Summer and I am currently 195.

This is normal for me. I am thinner in the Summer than I would visually like to be but I feel great and feel strong and heat doesn't get to me. My current Winter weight allows me to stay warmer naturally and is a consequence of indoor living and higher dairy and grain consumption. Bags of potato chips are allowed because weight is not a concern.

It is all about feeling good and being fit. Vanity can't be avoided but it can be minimized with a healthier attitude. Change your definition of diet and change your relationship with food to a positive one. Thee are few places we can demonstrate empowerment as effectively as in our food choices which are health choices. You may think, easy for me to say but getting your head straight about anything makes it easier.

Eating strictly organic is my health insurance. I haven't had any medical insurance since 1988 and have not needed it. The few out of pocket expenses I incur are equal to the average persons monthly premium. At 58 I am on no, that is zero, medications.

Organic has more vitamins and minerals and tastes better. I do not look at it as costing more than regular produce because I will not consider what I hold to be unacceptable. I do not compare prices because they are not remotely comparable.

It is the tasteless, vitamin and mineral deficient toxic produce that is overpriced because it is basically worthless to start with.

Avocados are basically the same no matter what they are called. There you can save money because the organic ones are charging for the paperwork.

This is meant to be helpful and informative, not preachy, with the theme being "diet is what you eat in your approach to food". Not a temporary pattern that you go on and off of.

[Arrowwind]

[QUOTE=Ammit;46633]Drops??, drops of what?? the juicing diet is all natural, no pills drops or powders.....

Drops of Homeapathic HCG. if you read the original post you would have known.

.[/QUOTE

People are paying $145 for homeopathic HCG?
If that is true man, did you get taken!

[nowisthetime]

I've done this and it worked well as far as losing weight and curbing the hunger. However, I had to quit after about a week because of the terrible headaches I got from the HCG. I also got migraine headaches for the first time throughout my last pregnancy (at 43!) The HCG mimics a pregnant body, so I should have known this would happen. I envy all who could do the HCG because I've been putting on weight for the last 10 years. And it is very difficult to get it off once menopause hits. I know from experience.

[Ammit]

Connecting with sauce

Yes I did read it, I was wondering if you actually new the true identity of the Drops you were taking and at £15 a pop!!, sod that, pass me the fresh fruit and veg please as I am fully aware of what a drop of my juice contains....

[Ammit]

and just incase you dont, read this :

"Scientists first recognized a specific hormone now called Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in the 1920´s (1). HCG is no doubt one of the most misused, misunderstood and underutilized tools in bodybuilding pharmacology we have available. HCG is not a steroid, but a naturally occurring peptide hormone, produced by the embryo in the early stages of pregnancy and later by the trophoblast (part of the placenta) to help control a pregnant woman´s hormones (1). This makes the uterine lining ready for implantation of the fertilized egg. HCG is a glycoprotein composed of 237 amino acids and has a mass of 36.7kDa. HCG basically "acts" as Leutenizing Hormone (LH) in your body. LH is a Gonadotropin. They were first extracted from the human in 1958; more precisely the pituitary glands. "

Oh yes, I like my fruit and veg juice.

Blessings

Ammit

[Connecting with Sauce]

Ammit,

Also it is produced in a body which has cancer. It is what causes the pregnancy stick to turn blue. So likewise this is a cancer test for men and women who 'know' they are not pregnant.

No questions that it is very effective at weight loss especially in the homeapathic way which is what eveyone is doing that I know. It is £15 for 2500 drops not per drop. This is enough for ~160 days worth of drops. Both a friend AND my brother have lost 2 stone SINCE start of January and feel very good about their new found slim-ness :) This is now ~20+ people I know who have lost this weight EASY with NO effort and results which make people OPEN their eyes for a few milli-seconds...

I like Juice and veggies too...

John

[JoshERTW]

Simple equations to weight loss are often ignored by "diet plans".

...
As with most things in life...the less complicated the better..this has always worked for me.


So true, I did a "detox" recently after having stomach problems for years, it included the following stipulations:

No red meat, No dairy, no sugar, no caffeine, no alcohol, no processed/refined products (incl. condiments etc.), no gluten

It worked wonders. I went back to my old way of eating after and felt worse than before - so now I watch what I eat a bit better. Speaking of "equations," I started counting my calories during the detox and tried to stay about 2000 cal's per day - I used this website to help (my resting rate is about 2400 per day) www.fitday.com

I've lost more than 15 lbs since December - its a slow steady process but its not too hard, just need to be diligent about keeping track.

I'd like to comment on your other points also:

Eat as much organic food as possible... Agreed
...especially milk products. I have issues with lactose - when I cut it out I lose weight and feel better - lots of hormones in dairy too

Eat as little meat and fish as possible. I agree if you mean mass produced meats - Hand raised organic meat is another story - I do think meat should be moderated, though I enjoy the stuff, I try to have at least a couple of days meat free per week - I don't agree that full vegetarianism is good for you - we are omnivores and have been that way for thousands of years. Going vegan/veg is unnatural

Eat less...portion size as we all know has got to be one of the biggest problems in this issue. Total agree with this and your last couple points too - see above link and comments re: counting cal's

[angellight]

I believe Kevin Trudeau also said that the resetting of your metabolism could also be accomplished by eating 100% organic for a year to see the same results. For me personally, I have not tried the HCG because I have gotten to a point where it is not about weight anymore it is about toxicity. I just read a book about how waste in your body equals weight. Creating a balanced ecology in my digestive track is more my focus now.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I just read a book about how waste in your body equals weight. Creating a balanced ecology in my digestive track is more my focus now.

Good point Angellight. Have you investigated liver flushing? This will help massively on the digestive track and detoxing. One of the reasons I did HCG was to get rid of the toxins within the fat and avoid the 1 year of organic.

John

[Lumial8]

wish i could gain more weight, ITS on the genes you can almost do nothing about it.

Hi MiguelQ - have you ever listened to Bruce Lipton, who explains that we aren't victims of our genetics - it's very interesting - tehre are many places he talks about it - but here is one link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iCcnDuY6-4&feature=related I hope you enjoy it! :)

[motherlove]

Interesting thread. What is the "source" of the hCG hormone?

[Connecting with Sauce]

I got my dropsfrom goodvitality in the UK they were 15GBP you will need to call them as they can't actively advertise this product on their website, maybe something to do with how effective HCG is. Even in homeapathic doses...

[onawah]

I am bookmarking this thread for further reading when I get time. Thanks!

[danielle]

Today is the 8th day of my diet on HCG (homeopathic pellets by bioMedx)-I fell good and have 3 kilos lost. I follow the main rules of the diet but I'm not so strict to it. I have no breakfast (without any feeling of hunger), then an apple, coffee with milk(forbidden!-only one spoon a day) and sugar(forbidden!) or "sweetie gold" (forbidden ! if often used) than lunch (cooked fish or grilled meat or cottage cheese with vegetables, no oil added), dinner-an egg with vegetables. I<ve eaten one slice of bread so far, one piece of chocolate, rice wafers often, apples often, a small cup of soup with lentil and cereal but this was because of trying the taste not that I was hungry.And I drink water and herbal tea a lot.
The most noticable differences between other diets and HCG diet: I don't feel hungry, I'm emotionally stable (my overweight is a result of emotional eating before all), I don't have headaches or pains, I can walk with my dog for an hour without being tired, I don't shiver though it's cold outside. The only change is I must go to sleep earlier than before.
I tried many diets, went on fitness (lost 6 kilos but suffered muscle and heart pains)-but HCG diet seems to be the one that doesen't cause any suffering for the body. I will follow it .

Love
Joanna

[Unified Serenity]

Have you guys and gals ever tried juicing?.
I lost 2.5kilos a week while on it and had a healthier main meal each day.

Yeh, I am sure you did! Juicing tends to give most people the runs. Most people have a lot of excess bio matter in their digestive tract, and need to get rid of it asap. I have wanted to do juicing a long time and have looked for a double press type that isn't going to break the bank. I have cut way back on how much meat I eat, but I do still enjoy a good steak occasionally.

[redlotus]

:cool:
Ok I thought I'd share this little one with you...

I'm in the middle of a liquid HCG protocol weight loss program I'm doing without any doctors help or advice... please consider I've done 10 liver flushes AND don't drink alcohol or too many bad things for over 2 years but couldn't loose the last 10 kg of weight I wanted to to be lean and trim :)

I'd heard Kevin Trudeau talk about this and a couple of others on http://www.oneradionetwork.com/

And reading this article in NEXUS magazine last month http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

...and having an advert next to the article for homeopathic drops for £15 for ~2500 drops made me think I'll give it a go...

Now I suggest people read and reread the article 2-3 times and then make up their own minds :)

I have lost 7.5 kg in 3 weeks without EFFORT, without HEADACHES or CRAVINGS... but I have got rid of most of my cravings with detoxing etc before I did it...

There is no alcohol or sweets or starch for ~6-7 weeks so if you're addicted to these drinks/foods it may not work... I mean your will power will need to be powerful to reject these visual "draws". Two mouths of ice cream one weekend halted my weight loss for ~1-2 days.

Hope it helps someone else like it did me...

John

Hello, fellow HCG user!!! ;)Me too!!! I initially lost 50 lbs in a 6 months period - or better stated: lost 90 lbs of fat and gained 40 lbs of muscle - because this is a fantastic, transformational weight control system. All this with very little expense - $100.00 for the duration of 6 months. This was 3 years ago, and I took a long break...

Just recently I went back on it and just completed the protocol: lost 23 lbs in 50 days. My body responded beautiful just as before: Hypthalamus went to work and transformed me into a lean-machine WITHOUT heavy, crazy 6-hour/day exersize!

Of course, 'they' did/do not want this miracoulous weight control system to be well-know to the masses. What would have/is going to happen to the multi-billion dollar businesses?

Let's just name a few here:
The Fitness industry,
The Diet industry,
The Pharma industry,
The Food industry,
The Alcohol and Drug industry...

This is why 'they' went ballistic, persecuting, fining and even trying to imprison Kevin Trudeau. In my book he is a HERO. Best wishes to you on your magical transformation! :clap2:

[conk]

From Dr. Robert Rowen, Second Opinion Newsletter:

There’s a dark side to all forms of medicine. In conventional
medicine, a new drug comes out and many
doctors rush to the “latest and greatest” from Big
Pharma. But the same can be said for non-orthodox
physicians, including many people in my own holistic
field. The example here is the rush to use human
growth hormone (HGH) as the “fountain of youth.”
Dozens of my friends went into it. In fact, a large
and powerful medical organization with holistic and
orthodox physicians came out of the HGH craze — the
American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine. Many of
A4M’s people went on national radio shows, organized
huge conventions, and spoke at a multitude of medical
meetings. They were promoting HGH as a fountain of
youth.
The theory went like this. When you were young,
you had oodles and oodles of HGH. But the levels
sharply dropped as you aged. When a few studies came
out demonstrating that injections of HGH increased
muscle mass, thousands dove in to cash in. HGH treatment
is/was a highly lucrative market.
However, I was suspicious. HGH is an active hormone
that your body tightly regulates. Seems that the
thousands of doctors quickly forgot the lessons of unbridled
use of adrenal steroids — other hormones that your
body tightly regulates. Excessive use of synthetic adrenal
steroids continues to this day.
My suspicions have grown through the years, as we
saw HGH implicated in diabetes and glucose intolerance, swelling in the arms and legs, and carpal tunnel
syndrome. But one of the most common complaints I’ve
heard from other doctors’ HGH patients is severe joint
pain.
While all of that is horrible, I’d now like to show you
why I tell my patients to avoid HGH.
A new study suggests that less HGH, not more, may
prevent cancer and diabetes as you age!
Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre of Ecuador joined forces
with Valter Longo, a University of Southern California
cell biologist who researches genes. His team was evaluating
yeast and mice that lacked growth genes. Both
organisms were about half the normal size. However, the
yeast lived three times longer than normal. And the mice
lived 40% longer. Longo’s team found the mutation protected
cells against DNA damage. This gave him an
opportunity to see if the same held true for humans.
The researchers in this study followed an obscure
South American population with E180 mutation. This
mutation is one of several that causes Laron syndrome, a
disorder that stunts growth after birth by about 50%. In
Laron syndrome, those affected have no receptors for
HGH. While they make HGH, their bodies don’t respond
to it. This effectively negates all HGH effects. Well,
according to the anti-aging pundits, they should all be
wrinkled and in their graves by say age 60. That’s not
the case.
While those with Laron do have some obvious
effects (very short stature and high infant mortality —
when your need for HGH is highest), scientists saw an
unexpected positive side. Virtually none of them got diabetes
or cancer.
The group looked at the health histories of 99
patients over the age of 10. They also pulled death statistics
of 53 other Ecuadoreans who died before Dr.
Guevara-Aguirre began his work in the 1980s. Then they
collected data on more than 1,600 unaffected relatives of
the Laron patients.
In the Laron group, there were 30 deaths: eight from
heart disease, one from stroke, and 21 from non age-related
causes. These latter deaths included an unusual number
from convulsive disorders, accidents, or alcohol-related
disease. Only one person got cancer — and did not die
from it. Again, out of 99 patients, only one got cancer.
Even more shocking was the fact that none of the
Laron patients got diabetes. That’s amazing considering
21% were obese. In their relatives, diabetes was responsible
for 5% of deaths.
The researchers took serum (blood fraction) from
patients and unaffected relatives. They added this
serum to human cells. The Laron serum protected DNA
from breakage that can lead to cancer. Serum from unaffected
relatives did not. Laron’s serum also promoted
apoptosis (cell suicide) in damaged cells, which is a good
thing. The serum from unaffected relatives did not have
this effect.
Researchers in the field said that these results are
about as clear as you can get. Dr. Thomas Perls is a professor
of medicine and geriatrics at Boston University
and a critic of the growth hormone industry. He said the
research provided “yet more dramatic evidence that
growth hormone does the opposite of what the hucksters
and the anti-aging industry promote.” He was not
involved with the study.
Longo said, “These mice and the Laron patients
don’t seem to have chronic conditions. They live long
lives, and then they drop dead.”
In 2009, Americans spent an estimated $1.35 billion
on HGH treatments, provided by 431,000 prescriptions.
I never wrote one prescription for the alleged anti-aging
efforts. One of my great oxidation therapy mentors died
of colon cancer not long after a course of HGH to make
him more “youthful.”
In my book, God doesn’t make mistakes. Our hormones
wane as we age. I’d like to be muscular as I age,
but I don’t want to trade a buffer body for cancer, diabetes,
or faster aging. There’s a reason why hormones
wane — they have effects our bodies don’t need as we
get older. Not only don’t we need those effects, but they
could harm us. I believe this is the case not only for
HGH, but all hormones.
In last month’s issue, I showed you an alternative
to using bio-identical sex hormones. In that issue, I said
I have concerns about using any hormone therapy. Just
as this research strongly suggests a huge dark side to
exogenously administered HGH, we don’t know the longterm
effects of exogenously administered sex hormones.
And, thousands are jumping on this bandwagon as well.
I was taught, “Above all, do no harm.” I stand by
that. Knowing that your body has self-regulating mechanisms
that protect it, and that giving exogenous active
hormones can defeat these mechanisms, my long-term
practice has been to do all in my power to optimize your
body’s own production of hormones. There are clearly
times when a patient’s body fails to make enough natural
hormones. We see this quite often with the thyroid
and adrenal hormones. It happens with gonadal hormones
as well. But sex hormones naturally wane with
age. Do we really want them at age 35 levels? I don’t!
Yet that’s the level of HGH the HGH pundits push for.
And there can be lots of problems as a result.
I say stay away from HGH injections. I don’t want
to have “chronic conditions.” But I do want to “live a long
life, and then drop dead,” in the words of Dr. Longo. I
suggest you aim for the same result. Build up your muscle
mass by natural processes, like eating a great diet
and regular healthy exercise. That will keep you far
younger, and even in better physical shape, than ageaccelerating
HGH therapy.
Ref: Science Translational Medicine, February 16, 2011.

[Connecting with Sauce]

HGH is different to HCG... Great info though ;)

[conk]

HGH is different to HCG... Great info though ;)
Oops, my bad. Sorry.

[ktlight]

Interesting thread. What is the "source" of the hCG hormone?

It is made from the urine of pregnant women and goodvitality present it in homeopathic form.

You can order it online by going to their site and doing a search using code 8010. Takes you straight to the page.

[CeltMan]

Thanks for that post CWS. It makes very interesting reading. I shall certainly investigate for myself.

These are my thoughts, for what they are worth: weight gain & loss seems to be a peronal thing, meaning that there are many different body types/metabolisms, lifestyle habits, genetic pre-dispositions, etc.

There are numerous diets on the market (a lot making the manufaturers very rich). Some work for some people, on a temporary basis, then most people seem to regain the weight lost.

Age certainly plays a part, as metabolism slows down as we age.

Fittness is a relative matter.
For myself: Very Fit when younger (I had a 12 pack, let alone a 6 pack..lol!)

I have been involved as an alternative health practitioner for several years, so I try to eat healthily.

One 'expert' suggetsed several years ago that the secret to keeping slim was: "NEVER eat after 6pm"
Perhaps he has a valid point?

I was diagnosed with very low thyroid about 5 years ago.
I Have gained over 2.5 stones in past 5-6 years.
Nothing seems to shift it.
I was about 3/4 stone overweight about 6 years ago....BUT, that did not stop me beating a Russian girlfriend (who was 22 years younger than me, and, .. she ran 5 KM every day) up a 1/3 steep 100 metres cliff slope... And she had started off running, laughing and saying "I race you"

I have recently taken advice from a very intuative nutritionalist who tells me: My weight gain is prolonged stress, which has affected my immune system, and therefore also my glandular system."

Lets face it, we live in a very stressful society, so its difficult to avoid stress.
Ones individual coping mechanisms, and sensitivities must surely play a part.
Having read a lot of the posts on this forum, most of the people here seem to be of a sensitive nature, and so perhaps more suceptible to stress.

One more thought, it seems to me that the pre war generations were a lot slimmer and fitter then those alive today.
No: processed food (or very little); few had the 'luxury of a car' (so had to walk everywhere); pace of life was slower; people by & large had more time for each other; people exercised more; there were no computers (and few TV's either!) to keep people indoors; there were less chemicals in the air & in our homes; there was far less polution-from vehicles, planes etc.

That all said, I will certainly look into that 'HCG' protocol suggetsted by CWS, and will, if I take it up, report back with my findings.

[Arrowwind]

A quick update 11kg lost as of this morning and approximately 7% body fat... (one of those BMI scales)... Another friend is at 7kg weight lost.

An update now a month on from stopping the drops... I stopped the drops the weekend of the Avebury camping. My weight has stayed off (like blackatiam) and I have stayed at 77-78kg for over the last Month, despite eating normally again.

I also know 2 people who have done similar with similar results AND 2 more starting this weekend based on my results. Will keep you posted on how these people progress.

Please post a link for these drops. I would like to look at the product.

Never mind - got it

[CeltMan]

Interesting point Modwiz, re gaining weight in the winter season, and losing it gain in the summer.

I have gained over 2 stones in past 6 years. It came on suddenly about 6-5 years ago.

Although diagnosed with an underactive thyroid, my 'tounge in cheek saying'- to close friends and family-re my weight gain is: "Well, you never see a skinny grisily bear going into hibertantion."

My point being that, perhaps this weight gain is my 'subconsious telling me that I will need it in these end times-to survive'?!...lol
.....so, that being the case, I should lose it again by 2013?!...lol

[Swanette]

I have been using a product that Kevin Trudeau also used to lose weight. I started it a year ago and it really works for weight loss and metabolic corrections, too. It is called EleotinMB and I found out about it on Kevin's Natural Cures.com site last year under the diabetes info page. I found a link from another person that recomends it too.
http://www.alternativehealthremedies.net/blog/weight-loss-reviews/losing-weight-quick-and-safe-with-eleotin-mb-too-good-to-be-true

[SkepticSoul]

here's a lil secret.. eat in moderation (little amounts) over the course of the whole day instead of eating great proportions 3 times a day
also no big proportions during the whole day or once a day, just little amounts of food (whatever food, doesnt matter if its sugar, fat ..)

greetz

I had to add..
Ancient pplz (not advanced in technology) go about their day collecting food wherever they could find it and eat it on the spot instead of saving it for later to have a larger amount... and i don't think there were alot if any big/fat.. whatever u call people..

[DevilPigeon]

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Where's the best place to get this from within the UK?

[Seikou-Kishi]

It has been my experience working with overweight people that none of these people has ever been overweight simply because they eat too much. Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat. A classic example is a person who suffers or has suffered abuse and therefore subconsciously overeats in order to make themselves less appealing to other potential abusers — the subconscious is powerful but reasons in a childish (and nearly always erroneous) manner. If the underlying problem can be dealt with, most people go on to lose the excess weight without even trying — it's just no longer an issue in their lives. In a fight with the conscious mind and the subconscious mind, the conscious mind will always lose, the question is only how long it takes. Willpower, then, is a drive and ability to resist the compulsions of the subconscious, but it is a finite resource and will eventually falter.

I can't, of course, make assumptions on individual cases without knowing the facts, but I would say these things:

If you see losing weight as a battle between your willpower and subconscious urges, it is only a matter of time before you 'slip up', and that will be your willpower saying "enough, I need a break" It can, after that break, pick up the gauntlet again and help you lose the weight that way, but two points: a person can only slip up so many times before their morale breaks and they become disinclined to reassert their willpower; and losing weight in this way, while effective, is a constant battle and you more than likely deserve better than a state of perpetual warfare with your own body and, moreover, the battle will not have ended even after you have achieved your ideal weight because the problem your willpower is combating is not your weight but the problems that cause it and they persist even after the weight is gone. Consequently, any life problem which saps morale in a future time will create the perfect weakness in your defences to allow the over-eating urges to reassert themselves. People are often said to have "battled with [their] weight all [their] life" and this is the reason — a gambling addict can clear his debts, but without dealing with the addiction he will sooner or later find himself in debt again.
Your body is a machine and a very efficient machine at that; if subconscious interference is removed, your body will work itself naturally into a state of equilibrium — this includes your weight; your body knows what is healthy and what is not, and when left to do its job it will do it well. Therefore, solve subconscious problems if the subconscious interferes with the body's mechanisms (this is nearly always the case). As I said, your body is a well-oiled machine; it doesn't need tricks to work properly :-)

[ThePythonicCow]

Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat.
I'll wager that normally it is poor quality food, such as too much high fructose corn syrup and many other such gastronomic abominations.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Normally, there is some psychological reason which causes people to overeat.
I'll wager that normally it is poor quality food, such as too much high fructose corn syrup and many other such gastronomic abominations.

I've worked as a hypnotherapist with many overweight people and their problems melt like snowballs on a barbecue when their psychological problems are solved. It is no more difficult than, having found the problem, showing them the illogical nature of the problem (being abused as a result of being too appealing and trying to appear less appealing, to continue the earlier example) and telling them that they won't follow that line of thought any more and they'll be happier for it.

And that's it, really. There must be some truth to it that high-sugar foods are contributing factors, but a psychological problem which actually wants to hold weight can interfere with a metabolism which otherwise would be able to deal with such insanely high peaks of energy.

[Arrowwind]

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Ok I thought I'd share this little one with you...




this audio interview on Patrick Timpone's talk radio discusses HCG and how it works with the brain.
Look for the discussion at about 37 on the time counter

http://www.oneradionetwork.com/healt...ember-26-2011/

[Laurel]

I've read a bunch of comparisons between homeopathic and pharmaceutical grade HCG and can't figure out which is better. Homeopathic sites say that the pharmaceutical grade is overpriced and unneccessary. The pharmaceutical sites say that the homeopathic grade is more of a placebo and that the HCG has been so diluted that it's barely there. Who do you believe? :frusty:

Does anyone have experience with both that can give an honest comparison?

[Connecting with Sauce]

I used homeopathic and my drops were £15 for 2500 drops. Worked for me.

John

¤=[Post Update]=¤

www.oneradionetwork.com was one of the places I heard about it... A number of his guests over the last 2 years have discussed it. Nexus ran a article on it too. And goodvitality was where I got my drops.

[wolf_rt]

This is a really interesting subject, i'm over thin not over weight, but my partner is going to try Dr Simeons protocol, i expect good results for her.

I found Dr Simeons book online here
http://www.diyhcg.com/media/Dr-Simeons-Manuscript.pdf

http://www.goodvitality.com seems to be the cheapest source, and have been vetted by some forum members... good enough for me.


Modwiz, i was interested in your observation on organic avocados being the same as non organic... i suspect this may be the case for quite a number of foods... are you aware of any others?

[TargeT]

I have ordered the hcg products from reliable pharmaceuticals. Online pharmacy. Me and several friends have ordered from there so its not just some crud as some fraud places will send you. Safe. That is if you do the injection route. Which I think is the best way. You can mix for sublingualy too but I think sublinguial is a PITA. This is the cheap way to do it instead of going to expensive retail. I ordered my injection supplies from HCG Basics. Then I just ended up finding them at a local drug store. the injection method I literally had to force myself to eat even the small portions you are allowed, I was never hungry. Got a little bored with my food but I could have been a bit more inventive.

I didn't try the Trudeua method but the orignal Dr. Simenons protocol that Trudeua based his on.

The homeopathic method didn't explain about the fat in the makeup, lotions, and shampoos but that needs to be avoided too. A friend of mine put herself off her weight loss by handling olive oil with her bare hands. Stymied her weight loss for a day or so.

Ive done 4 rounds of HCG, lost around 35lbs was the most I lost in a month run, 20 the least (yay for being a guy..) though I would gain back with in a few months... I would bounce from 215ish to 185 and back...

I was doing Deep Muscle injection (the ONLY way to do it I M O) good luck with the drops, if they work for you great.. I'm a little too skeptical for the plasebo effect I think. My injections were also mixed with a lot of Vit B; which lended a nice energy boost, and for two of my runs I switched out Bacterial static water with Collodial silver (no noticable effect, though I was healthy to begin with..)

And then I went to mongolia for a month and was forced to learn that portion control is king, I quit DEPENDING on HCG to do everything for me (externalization of power) and started to use view it as a tool that I had out grown, I dropped to 175 through diet control a lone & have since gotten back to 185-190 (a good weight for me, 5'11").

The MAJOR item for me, what has allowed ME to keep weight off & be much happier is avoiding sugars like THE PLAUGE! keeping complex sugars (especialy grain based) (aka carbs) below 100g a day & I only eat one full meal a day now, maybe two & I will quite often skip a full day with just fluids & maybe a few nuts to keep hunger at bay.

But really, the one thing doing this and helping people do it has shown me is that we are all so very different; experiement on your self, see how you react.. I think for most the reality of weight control is SELF control...

at leats it was for me.


My source for "pharma" grade HCG:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/hcg/

Though I also did about 50 hours of research into the original protocal, modern applications & aplied learning through personal experimentation.


I've since then settled into a "Paleo" diet as logicaly this makes the most sense (though I'm loosely following it) & it works for me.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I have ordered the hcg products from reliable pharmaceuticals. Online pharmacy. Me and several friends have ordered from there so its not just some crud as some fraud places will send you. Safe. That is if you do the injection route. Which I think is the best way. You can mix for sublingualy too but I think sublinguial is a PITA. This is the cheap way to do it instead of going to expensive retail. I ordered my injection supplies from HCG Basics. Then I just ended up finding them at a local drug store. the injection method I literally had to force myself to eat even the small portions you are allowed, I was never hungry. Got a little bored with my food but I could have been a bit more inventive.

I didn't try the Trudeua method but the orignal Dr. Simenons protocol that Trudeua based his on.

The homeopathic method didn't explain about the fat in the makeup, lotions, and shampoos but that needs to be avoided too. A friend of mine put herself off her weight loss by handling olive oil with her bare hands. Stymied her weight loss for a day or so.

Ive done 4 rounds of HCG, lost around 35lbs was the most I lost in a month run, 20 the least (yay for being a guy..) though I would gain back with in a few months... I would bounce from 215ish to 185 and back...

I was doing Deep Muscle injection (the ONLY way to do it I M O) good luck with the drops, if they work for you great.. I'm a little too skeptical for the plasebo effect I think. My injections were also mixed with a lot of Vit B; which lended a nice energy boost, and for two of my runs I switched out Bacterial static water with Collodial silver (no noticable effect, though I was healthy to begin with..)

And then I went to mongolia for a month and was forced to learn that portion control is king, I quit DEPENDING on HCG to do everything for me (externalization of power) and started to use view it as a tool that I had out grown, I dropped to 175 through diet control a lone & have since gotten back to 185-190 (a good weight for me, 5'11").

The MAJOR item for me, what has allowed ME to keep weight off & be much happier is avoiding sugars like THE PLAUGE! keeping complex sugars (especialy grain based) (aka carbs) below 100g a day & I only eat one full meal a day now, maybe two & I will quite often skip a full day with just fluids & maybe a few nuts to keep hunger at bay.

But really, the one thing doing this and helping people do it has shown me is that we are all so very different; experiement on your self, see how you react.. I think for most the reality of weight control is SELF control...

at leats it was for me.


My source for "pharma" grade HCG:
http://www.alldaychemist.com/hcg/

Though I also did about 50 hours of research into the original protocal, modern applications & aplied learning through personal experimentation.


I've since then settled into a "Paleo" diet as logicaly this makes the most sense (though I'm loosely following it) & it works for me.

I'm doing a second round of homeopathic HCG with the drops left over from last year :)

I started on the 28th December with fat loading.. I have BMI scales so am able to guage the progress...

28th Dec : 84.4kg 20%
29th Dec : 85.0kg 20%
30th Dec : 85.2kg 21%
31st Dec : 83.4kg 21%
1st Jan : 81.8kg 20%

Each measurement is made at wake up, I plan to do it daily and log it here...

I do plan to avoid sugars and grains much better as the last 4-5 months, I let it slip after being at 78-80kg for most of the year since last doing HCG.. there was a bit of brown fat too I didn't fully get rid of last time which I plan to get rid of this time...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Ok an update since the 2nd Jan

2nd Jan : 81.4kg 20%
3rd Jan : 80.6kg 20%
4th Jan : 80.6kg 20%
5th Jan : 80.2kg 20%
6th Jan : 80.0kg 20%
7th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
8th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
9th Jan : 79.2kg 19%
10th Jan: 78.4kg 19%
11th Jan: 79.0kg 18%
12th Jan: 78.2kg 18%
13th Jan: 78.2kg 18%

So far I've lost 6.2 kg since the 28th December... I haven't been as strict with the amounts of the low carb stuff that is healthy and maybe having too much fatty fish but am strict with the sugar/wheat and grains and high carb veg and fruit...

[TargeT]

Ok an update since the 2nd Jan

2nd Jan : 81.4kg 20%
3rd Jan : 80.6kg 20%
4th Jan : 80.6kg 20%
5th Jan : 80.2kg 20%
6th Jan : 80.0kg 20%
7th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
8th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
9th Jan : 79.2kg 19%
10th Jan: 78.4kg 19%
11th Jan: 79.0kg 18%
12th Jan: 78.2kg 18%
13th Jan: 78.2kg 18%

So far I've lost 6.2 kg since the 28th December... I haven't been as strict with the amounts of the low carb stuff that is healthy and maybe having too much fatty fish but am strict with the sugar/wheat and grains and high carb veg and fruit...

are you following the HCG protocal? there's a VERY spesific diet that acompanies it.

make sure to keep your water intake rediculously high, helps flush your body & you loose weight faster.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I am mainly eating green salad with one or two small tomatoes and 1 to 2 apples per day... I weighed it this evening though and it was a small side plate full which was ~250g of salad and it should be 100g but if I don't eat the apple I think I'll be fine. I don't always eat protein as I'm verging on being vegan with the flushes and have probably eaten more fish/meat in the last two weeks because of HCG...

The only thing I'm not strict with is the level of protein and maybe eat too much with fatty fish I now this just slows the slope of loss. It is only because the choice at work isn't so great for salad meats and I prefer seafish (Mackrel). Yes I need to drink a little more probably 2 litres a day. The HCG works so well I sometime forget to eat and drink... I feel tomorrow will be a loss days as I am about the same weight as I was this morning this evening... Off to drink more before bed.

[CeltMan]

Ok an update since the 2nd Jan

2nd Jan : 81.4kg 20%
3rd Jan : 80.6kg 20%
4th Jan : 80.6kg 20%
5th Jan : 80.2kg 20%
6th Jan : 80.0kg 20%
7th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
8th Jan : 79.4kg 19%
9th Jan : 79.2kg 19%
10th Jan: 78.4kg 19%
11th Jan: 79.0kg 18%
12th Jan: 78.2kg 18%
13th Jan: 78.2kg 18%

So far I've lost 6.2 kg since the 28th December... I haven't been as strict with the amounts of the low carb stuff that is healthy and maybe having too much fatty fish but am strict with the sugar/wheat and grains and high carb veg and fruit...

CWS,

Just 'playing devils advocate' here.

Do you know how much weight one might be expected to lose, if one was to just adhere to the diet as you described, without taking the HCG?

[wolf_rt]

you may loose even more weight from a similar diet with no hcg, but from structural fat, and muscle tissue, not 'abnormal fat'
500 calories, is a starvation diet... your body will attack muscle tissue to reduce energy needs.
indeed it is possible to die of starvation, while remaining obese. due to this.

why the body clings on to this 'abnormal' fat? i thing psychological reasons is a good theory, also EMF pollution may cause brain dysfunction.

(had a far better post that got deleted...grrr)

just received the HCG, so we'll see... slow delivery...

[Connecting with Sauce]

Celtman,

No idea on if I was to do it without HCG. In the past when I've done low low carb diets I've always put the weight back on virtually straight away and felt hungry as anything... I almost forget to eat with HCG :)

Look up on Google how much would I loose on 500cal / day for info for the little devil wanting to know... I'm not trying to convince anyone just sharing what I've done and many I know have done seeing how easily I lost it. With weight-loss it is nice because you can make aware suppressed 'things' to people who are unaware but want to loose weight. Sneaky eh ;)

[Connecting with Sauce]

Well I've finished phase 2 and I lost just over 8kg since December the 28th, not bad for 30 days... Not as much as I'd planned to loose (was aiming for 72kg ish) but I wasn't totally strick with the fat content of the foods I ate and had oily fatty fish from work with salads but happy with the thinner me for 2012... Now need to be slow with the carb intake for phase 3. I just smile when I see all the adverts for weightwatchers... I'd rather loose weight than watch it :)

Much more information available here on the topic:
http://www.whatwomenmustknow.com/

[TargeT]

Well I've finished phase 2 and I lost just over 8kg since December the 28th, not bad for 30 days... Not as much as I'd planned to loose (was aiming for 72kg ish) but I wasn't totally strick with the fat content of the foods I ate and had oily fatty fish from work with salads but happy with the thinner me for 2012... Now need to be slow with the carb intake for phase 3. I just smile when I see all the adverts for weightwatchers... I'd rather loose weight than watch it :)

Much more information available here on the topic:
http://www.whatwomenmustknow.com/

a 30 day cycle for a female (based on your numbers I'll assume your female) should be 15-20lbs (which is like what.. 30 - 60kg? )lost...

HCG's biggest benifit is hunger suppression, though it also forces your body to burn from different areas; the benifits of doing (sorry, MY OPINION HERE) REALL HCG is that its mixed with a high dose of vit. B for energy (which helps burn even more fat).

Your results will be drastically better with "the real stuff"; the hunger suppression should be so strong that eating is something you have to remind yourself todo.. (this is very dependant on correct dosage).

But again, I've never done the homeopathic version & it clearly did something for you, good for you :) now the struggle will be to keep it off (or it was for me.. haha) gotta change those deeply ingrained habits (eaating habits).

I wen't with the Paleo diet.. works wonders :)

[wolf_rt]

15-20 lbs is 6.8 - 9.1 kgs

[Connecting with Sauce]

Target,
My signoff says 'John' so not a good assumption about my gender. :) I actually dipped down to 74kg yesterday... so that is ~9kg. Out of drops now too so not planning to use hcg again.

[TargeT]

sorry, Im terrible at that goofy base 10 metric system...

I was indoctrinated in the US... haha

& apparently I'm not very observant at times either.. its what 2.2kg to 1lb? no clue where i got those numbers from.. haha you had excelent results from the homopathic stuff, but the fight is NOT OVER

You need to maintain that weight for a while to set your new "normal weight" so keep on top if it, use the scale every day.. I quit weighing myself about 3 months ago since I'm maintaining with out effort now.

[MessiahMews]

And reading this article in NEXUS magazine last month http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

That link was dead, so I found the equivalent via Wayback Machine...
http://web.archive.org/web/20100705105032/http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf


I found Dr Simeons book online here
http://www.diyhcg.com/media/Dr-Simeons-Manuscript.pdf

Dr Simeons Manuscript link was also dead, but it wasn't archived on Wayback Machine. I hope this one was it...
http://www.ihcgpro.com/Pounds&Inches.pdf

[Connecting with Sauce]

And reading this article in NEXUS magazine last month http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

That link was dead, so I found the equivalent via Wayback Machine...
http://web.archive.org/web/20100705105032/http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf


I found Dr Simeons book online here
http://www.diyhcg.com/media/Dr-Simeons-Manuscript.pdf

Dr Simeons Manuscript link was also dead, but it wasn't archived on Wayback Machine. I hope this one was it...
http://www.ihcgpro.com/Pounds&Inches.pdf

First one worked for me...
http://whatwomenmustknow.com/pdfs/NexusObesity.pdf

Good luck...

btw I am still 76-77kg and have no issue what so ever with my weight... I do try and avoid high sugar food and really avoid wheat / cakes / pasta and pizzza... completely in some cases.

[scarletfire]

I recently suffered from some unknown hormonal problem which mimics menopause symptoms, as well as weight gain. My symptoms have improved about as fast as they started up. My main weapon against this is to visualize myself as healthy which in turn, caused me to take care of myself as I would envision someone with optimal health to practice. I have been eating primarily organic food and less of it. I started pilates and yoga and just try to remember balance in maintaining health. I visited mainstream fertility docs, family docs, OB GYN, and I started to feel as I was being sold a used car. Everybody wants to treat symptoms and not find the problem. Although I never found the cause of my problems and weight gain, I figured all I can do is my best at treating my body as the horse I was given to ride to my life lessons, if the horse is only used as a tool and not respected, I may not get where I'm going. Although I'm not obese or anything (165 lb and 5'11) ; I would like to loose a few more pounds. If any empowering nutritional tool is out there I am all ears, cheers!

[Connecting with Sauce]

I would like to loose a few more pounds. If any empowering nutritional tool is out there I am all ears, cheers!

I would suggest you start taking the piss (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...);) It will rebalance the body as fast or faster than anything...

[pugwash84]

I switched from sugar to honey, fizzy drinks to fruit juice and water and switched from crisps/biscuits snacks to fruit and veg snacks and drink a lot more water and I switched from cocoa pops and crappy cereals to porridge oats and it worked. I never did it to loose weight though, I did it because I felt it was right for me to do and I felt clogged up with badness and this made me feel a lot better. Also I can poop now lolol I just have to sort out my bald patches and I am taking sea kelp for those because I get bald patches all over my body but I feel a lot better than what I used to do.

[TargeT]

I switched from sugar to honey, fizzy drinks to fruit juice and water and switched from crisps/biscuits snacks to fruit and veg snacks and drink a lot more water and I switched from cocoa pops and crappy cereals to porridge oats and it worked. I never did it to loose weight though, I did it because I felt it was right for me to do and I felt clogged up with badness and this made me feel a lot better. Also I can poop now lolol I just have to sort out my bald patches and I am taking sea kelp for those because I get bald patches all over my body but I feel a lot better than what I used to do.

your headed in the right direction ;)

this is my bible: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ I highly suggest you read this for diet related items, it makes the most logical sense and I've seen dramatic results from it, HCG is amazing and will kickstart a "health make over" (lets avoid the word "diet" for now, as it should be something that stays with you for life, not a short term thing like "diet" is now taken to infer)

Eating Primal (paleo diet etc..) makes logical sense, works & is highly enjoyable if your a meat fan, but there will be sacrifices... sugar IS posion (in most forms) & bread or any grains (for the most part) are also bad.

I'm also looking into starting Cross Fit for exersize (right now its a mix of hikes and 12oz curls...) & hopefully will work up the modivation to get that going soon ;)

[Connecting with Sauce]

Here it is, for the person that asked me :) back to the top of the thread pile :)

I will also be talking ABOUT "HCG" at my talk on the 20th November at The Bread and Roses Pub... So if you're in London, check this out. Or know someone within London who would want to go...

OK an Update on the DISTILLED WATER CONFERENCE in the UK which I will be speaking at...

It is going ahead.. BUT at a different location and it will be

FREE but only 70 seats maximum...

Details for those who Facebook >
https://www.facebook.com/events/294630907320632/296179270499129/?notif_t=event_mall_comment

For those that don't it will be at the Bread and Roses pub from ~5:30pm onwards to close... SW4 6DZ

Loads of aware people gathering... Must be a good thing right?

[Connecting with Sauce]

VENUE Changed to the Bread and Roses Pub > SW4 6DZ

and it is now FREE admission, 70 maximum or bring a cushion and some legs :)

[grannyfranny100]

Why don't you just love yourself as you are? Let your body tell you what it requires. What is true for one isn't true for another person. Best of all quit watching the T.V. that tells you to look like a Nazi concentration victim and then pump up your boobs with fake stuff or put make up on your abs to make six pack abs.

The quick dieting ideas change from year to year as if TPTB enjoy watching the sheeple adopt one fad after another fad that they present as science. It is their form of amusement to watch people go for the body beautiful as if that goal is more important that spiritual growth. What's the point to get laid more often? To stop hating yourself? To be part of the Hollywood beautiful people and dump your true blue, chunky friends as inferior?

When I scan this thread, I feel as if you people are beating yourselves up in the most obsessive compulsive ways and to what end. For god's sake, love yourself and let God help you achieve the best temple you can be. Please, please stop beating yourselves up.

[TargeT]

I'd agree with you granny if people were not tricked into eating in ways counter to millions of years of history....

Agriculture is new, so is tooth decay, diabetes & obesity......

[Connecting with Sauce]

Dave Murphy, Andrew Norton Webber and Myself (John Shore) will be presenting in London this Tuesday on the 20th November see the flyer below.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b387/jonnoshore/breadrosespubbanner1.png

Seating for ~70 so first come first seated :)

[EsmaEverheart]

I just want to congratulate you on your success, CWS.

[Connecting with Sauce]

I just want to congratulate you on your success, CWS.

Thanks it worked... It went very well indeed.

[Arrowwind]

Why don't you just love yourself as you are? Let your body tell you what it requires. What is true for one isn't true for another person. Best of all quit watching the T.V. that tells you to look like a Nazi concentration victim and then pump up your boobs with fake stuff or put make up on your abs to make six pack abs.

.

But the fact of the matter is that people these days look nothing near the slim and fit bodies that they should. We are being poisoned from multiple directions and especially by the foods we eat. Even quote healthy foods are loaded with toxins and chemicals that affect our hormones and other functions. Even organic foods have proven to be contaminated in a majority of cases, over 50 percent with chemicals.

Instead of looking fit we are collectively looking like the pillsbury doughboys and diabetes and cancer is sky rocketing in our nation (USA)
It is proven that excess fat, and especially belly fat is a high indicator for a variety of disease conditions including diabetes and cardiac disease.

Please, folks if you are working on loosing weight and improving your diet do not give up. There are answers out there and ways to do it. For people who have had great difficulty this protocol may be the answer. Many toxins that we ingest have a hormonal interaction with our glands that promote weight gain. This particular protocol with HCG may be the answer to that.

Always remember that the powers that be resist greatly the products that will work the best for you. They are afraid that we will collectively learn the truth so they make those products very hard to get. Always be sure that you have fully educated yourself on the use of what ever product you select and for you are taking on great personal responsibility, which we all should have the god given right to do.

[Earth Angel]

just found this thread (thanks John!) and am very interested in trying this out. I have been on a juice fast for 2 weeks now ( second week I drank less juice and added urine) I have lost 10lbs but am wondering if I would be better with HCG ......anybody tried this?? last post on this thread is 2012 so I am hoping some more success stories will be out there.

[TargeT]

I did HCG a few times, but it was a y0-y0 affair since I didn't change my eating habits or exercise routine.


you can definitely lose weight quickly, faster for males, but still significant for females.. I think my best run was something like 35lbs in 30 days (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3540-Weight-loss-cure-THEY-don-t-want-you-to-know-about...&p=386717&viewfull=1#post386717) (I did that with out any added exercise, if you can mix some in it works even better).... I got pretty tired of stabbing myself with needles though, haha.

I'd say HCG is a good way to go if you are gearing up for a lifestyle change and want a kickstart.. if it's just to lose a few pounds on a y0y0 diet, well... that's the wrong mentality (mine was).

[Calz]

this is my bible: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/ I highly suggest you read this for diet related items, it makes the most logical sense and I've seen dramatic results from it, HCG is amazing and will kickstart a "health make over" (lets avoid the word "diet" for now, as it should be something that stays with you for life, not a short term thing like "diet" is now taken to infer)




Thank you for sharing that. Looks very interesting. Ordered the book.

Hope to do the 2 week "master cleanser" fast starting Thursday with the full moon. Able to do that successfully twice but failed the last two attempts.


Will have the book in hand and try to include in dietary knowledge following such.


Hopefully will follow up here with any results.

[TargeT]

[QUOTE=TargeT;493999]

this is my bible: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/
Will have the book in hand and try to include in dietary knowledge following such.


Hopefully will follow up here with any results.

make sure to check out the forum (http://www.marksdailyapple.com/forum/forum.php)there as well, LOTS of good info there from a ton of different people who are "followers" of the philosophy.

[gracy41]

Today is the 8th day of my diet on HCG (https://besthcgdropswebsite.com/hcg-diet/) (homeopathic pellets by bioMedx)-I fell good and have 3 kilos lost. I follow the main rules of the diet but I'm not so strict to it. I have no breakfast (without any feeling of hunger), then an apple, coffee with milk(forbidden!-only one spoon a day) and sugar(forbidden!) or "sweetie gold" (forbidden ! if often used) than lunch (cooked fish or grilled meat or cottage cheese with vegetables, no oil added), dinner-an egg with vegetables. I<ve eaten one slice of bread so far, one piece of chocolate, rice wafers often, apples often, a small cup of soup with lentil and cereal but this was because of trying the taste not that I was hungry.And I drink water and herbal tea a lot.
The most noticable differences between other diets and HCG diet: After taking these drops (https://besthcgdropswebsite.com/hcg-drops/), I don't feel hungry, I'm emotionally stable (my overweight is a result of emotional eating before all), I don't have headaches or pains, I can walk with my dog for an hour without being tired, I don't shiver though it's cold outside. The only change is I must go to sleep earlier than before.
I tried many diets, went on fitness (lost 6 kilos but suffered muscle and heart pains)-but HCG diet seems to be the one that doesen't cause any suffering for the body. I will follow it .

Love
Joanna

Hi Joanna,
Are you serious that you have lost 3 kilos in just a week? I am really surprised. While browsing HCG diet, i came across few websites. Is it really need to buy hunger free hormones to control appetite? I am very much interested in this diet. I would be very happy if you can share few Diet charts which are below 1000 calories.

[Flash]

I just made a search on HCG and obesity. Controlled Studies have been replicated again and again showing that HCG has no demonstrated effect on weight loss. Water injection has the same effect. Conclusion, it would be the diet going with it that has the effect. A simple google search will give the Studies. The search and research slso show that HCG can have a negative impact enhancing some cancer Cells.

Note that HCG is a hormone produced by pregnant women

i also noted that HCG does not seem to be the main ingredient in drops. There is a whole combination of ingredients for which we do not know the impact.

A risk to take maybe??

[Navigator]

 
Taking HCG for weight loss is like taking steroids for muscle gain -- not a good idea and there WILL be side effects. Period.

Not everyone is so inclined to lose weight just because that hormone is present. I do know some larger women who (without supplemented HCG) amazingly did lose much weight with the onset of pregnancy, and I also know some fairly thin women who gained a lot on the onset of pregnancy. The hormone, I would assume, seeks to balance weight for optimal pregnancy, and different effects may be seen in different women. While I've heard some anecdotes that it has helped some people lose weight, steroids have helped bodybuilders and weightlifters gain more muscle - it doesn't mean we should be doing this to get those gains.

[TargeT]

I just made a search on HCG and obesity. Controlled Studies have been replicated again and again showing that HCG has no demonstrated effect on weight loss. Water injection has the same effect. Conclusion, it would be the diet going with it that has the effect. A simple google search will give the Studies. The search and research slso show that HCG can have a negative impact enhancing some cancer Cells.

Note that HCG is a hormone produced by pregnant women

i also noted that HCG does not seem to be the main ingredient in drops. There is a whole combination of ingredients for which we do not know the impact.

A risk to take maybe??

I did injections when I did HCG, and it was just pure HCG iirc. to me it seemed like it suppressed hunger fairly well but in the end it was basically an aggressive fast.

I lost 30lbs in 25 days or so, but since I never changed my eating habits I'd rapidly gain it back after going off the protocol.

Now I fast most of every day, works much better ;) (Time restricted eating (https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/time-restricted-eating), intermittent fasting.. call it what you will).



Taking HCG for weight loss is like taking steroids for muscle gain -- not a good idea and there WILL be side effects. Period.


As I've done both, I disagree.

Do things intelligently and moderately and you'll be fine

[Navigator]

...

Do things intelligently and moderately and you'll be fine

Heh, I guess that argument can applied fairly liberally.

While I might be inclined to find ways for my body to be encouraged to augment certain hormones to my perceived advantage, I wouldn't be forcing them into my body, but that's just me. :) Most people I know that have used steroids in the past look back and think it wasn't such a good idea, especially when one considers it can cause permanent genital shrinkage (with heavy long term use) or growth in the case with women, but the "positive" effects never last.

Good to see you got to regular fasting - even partial day fasting can do wonders.

[gracy41]

I switched from sugar to honey, fizzy drinks to fruit juice and water and switched from crisps/biscuits snacks to fruit and veg snacks and drink a lot more water and I switched from cocoa pops and crappy cereals to porridge oats and it worked. I never did it to loose weight though (https://hcgdropsratings.com/), I did it because I felt it was right for me to do and I felt clogged up with badness and this made me feel a lot better. Also I can poop now lolol I just have to sort out my bald patches and I am taking sea kelp for those because I get bald patches all over my body but I feel a lot better than what I used to do.

If you are tired of being on diet for a longer period of time, I think I had a solution.
There are countless diet plans and products out there today. Most of which are schemes which promise unbelievable results.
I am not recommending it you but I want to help them who are facing problem on being diet for a longer period (http://hcgdropsratings.com/complete-guide-hcg-diet/). Here is the shortcut. It is called HCG. Drops, diets and exercise techniques guaranteed to melt away fat to show a slender and healthier you. Wouldn't do well if just one of them actually worked long-term.
I am giving you suggestion, but it is up to you to take the action.

[Michelle Marie]

just found this thread (thanks John!) and am very interested in trying this out. I have been on a juice fast for 2 weeks now ( second week I drank less juice and added urine) I have lost 10lbs but am wondering if I would be better with HCG ......anybody tried this?? last post on this thread is 2012 so I am hoping some more success stories will be out there.

I started to try it once because a friend told me how great it was. She gave me some to try. Then I bought some.

However, after that, I did some research and took it back. It comes from placenta.

Whose placenta did they get it from?

It creeped me out.

If I could dig up the research and share it, I would. I'll give it a try in the next few days and re-post if I find it.

I'm glad they took it back. I told them it was based on research and the truth I discovered about it.

I like the water fast idea. Also, exercise and common sense healthy eating. Organic, raw, and healthy cooked whole foods.

We're all living and learning what works best for each one of us. :)

MM :sun:

[TargeT]

Whose placenta did they get it from?


Like most estrogen based "drugs" the source is horses (http://www.fundforanimals.org/duchess-sanctuary/about-the-duchess-sanctuary/pregnant-mare-urine.html).

And it's mostly just urine... (hey, remember that urine therapy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&highlight=taking+piss) thread?)

[Michelle Marie]

Whose placenta did they get it from?


Like most estrogen based "drugs" the source is horses (http://www.fundforanimals.org/duchess-sanctuary/about-the-duchess-sanctuary/pregnant-mare-urine.html).

And it's mostly just urine... (hey, remember that urine therapy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&highlight=taking+piss) thread?)

Placenta material in horse urine??? Hmmmm....

No, I did not remember the urine thread. However, a very close friend of mine from Germany swears by it. I can't remember if I ever tried it. It would have been a long time ago. The principle sounds sound.

I read that it tastes better than Epsom salt, and I did take that recently.

I am willing to explore. Recently I've been doing the turpentine.

I'm also using frequencies...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcseTF2hNRk

And imagination/intention/feeling/visualization. Neville Goddard style.

MM :heart:

[TargeT]

Whose placenta did they get it from?


Like most estrogen based "drugs" the source is horses (http://www.fundforanimals.org/duchess-sanctuary/about-the-duchess-sanctuary/pregnant-mare-urine.html).

And it's mostly just urine... (hey, remember that urine therapy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&highlight=taking+piss) thread?)

Placenta material in horse urine??? Hmmmm....

No, I did not remember the urine thread. However, a very close friend of mine from Germany swears by it. I can't remember if I ever tried it. It would have been a long time ago. The principle sounds sound.

I read that it tastes better than Epsom salt, and I did take that recently.

I am willing to explore. Recently I've been doing the turpentine.

I'm also using frequencies...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcseTF2hNRk

And imagination/intention/feeling/visualization. Neville Goddard style.

MM :heart:

HCG is produced in high quantities in the placenta, and it mostly "comes from there" but that's like saying all water is rain water (mostly true, but more water is "ground" water really) if that makes sense...

Once menopause sets in many women partake in HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) which is the main product of pregnant mare urine... but there are others as well.

[Michelle Marie]

Whose placenta did they get it from?


Like most estrogen based "drugs" the source is horses (http://www.fundforanimals.org/duchess-sanctuary/about-the-duchess-sanctuary/pregnant-mare-urine.html).

And it's mostly just urine... (hey, remember that urine therapy (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?1793-Taking-the-piss-Your-own-best-medicine...&highlight=taking+piss) thread?)

Placenta material in horse urine??? Hmmmm....

No, I did not remember the urine thread. However, a very close friend of mine from Germany swears by it. I can't remember if I ever tried it. It would have been a long time ago. The principle sounds sound.

I read that it tastes better than Epsom salt, and I did take that recently.

I am willing to explore. Recently I've been doing the turpentine.

I'm also using frequencies...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcseTF2hNRk

And imagination/intention/feeling/visualization. Neville Goddard style.

MM :heart:

HCG is produced in high quantities in the placenta, and it mostly "comes from there" but that's like saying all water is rain water (mostly true, but more water is "ground" water really) if that makes sense...

Once menopause sets in many women partake in HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) which is the main product of pregnant mare urine... but there are others as well.

That's a good explanation. Thank you. :)

I'm glad I did not partake in hormone replacement therapy. I just went natural. My body found balance quite quickly, actually.

:sun: MM

[TargeT]

That's a good explanation. Thank you. :)

I'm glad I did not partake in hormone replacement therapy. I just went natural. My body found balance quite quickly, actually.

:sun: MM



HRT seems like a personal preference for some, almost mandatory for a few; but (iirc) the libido aspect was often a key factor in the decision; which can be very pivotal depending on the relationship.

Growing up with a nurse practitioner Mom(OB-GYN (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obstetrics_and_gynaecology) for the longest time) learned me a thing or three.

[sunwings]

tiQevGDPgRY

This is a terrific insight into the inner working of the body. He goes into detail about our 5 hormones which are hormone sensitive lipase, insulin, oestrogen, testosterone and cortisol. If your hormones are not functionally correctly, then most likely your body will not be breaking down the fats correctly.

[Arcturian108]

Folks,
I saw that this thread has been revived, and since I have personal recent experience with one of the products involved, I thought I had better share it now. Please go to this website to see a full explanation of what I have been using, which doesn't come from any placenta, and is truly miraculous. http://trimyouspray.com/
As a woman way beyond menopause, it had been almost impossible for me to lose any weight until I found this homeopathic hCG product, which is an oral spray that you use twice a day, which mimics a brain chemical that tells your body you are starving, and the body needs to release deep stored fat to correct for that. If you follow the protocol exactly you will lose a pound a day, and that has been my experience. This weight loss will last as long as you are careful in what you eat following the diet.

[TargeT]

This weight loss will last as long as you are careful in what you eat following the diet.

What if you just dieted that way with out the spray?

For all that HCG did to me, I'm pretty convinced most of it was the fact that I was eating 400 calories a day or less and was probably DEEP into Ketosis by day 3 or so.

[Arcturian108]

TargeT you are a young bunny. When one normally cuts back calories in an extreme way the body interprets that as starvation and without the hCG will slow the metabolism down and hold onto all stored fat, as well as whatever additional calories you are consuming.

[Flash]

TargeT you are a young bunny. When one normally cuts back calories in an extreme way the body interprets that as starvation and without the hCG will slow the metabolism down and hold onto all stored fat, as well as whatever additional calories you are consuming.

Target has a forty years old body of someone exercising regularly and who has never been really sick, nor had any disbalance (wait that he start losing this testosterone in 10 years from now, he may then start understanding).

And despite a video that he posted yesterday of the Joe Rogan show, where the doctor in it stipulated that we are incredibly hard on fat people and he explains why fat people do ot lose weight and why it is so difficult, despite the fact that a guts bacteria keeping people slim has been discovered (bacteria absent in fat people), despitte hormonal disbalance often created by contaminants mimicking hormones or plainly hormonal injection of animals we consume for example, despite all that, Target will maintain his caloric restriction biais as being THE solution, not understanding that it is not the solution for many because of the above.

Of course caloric rsstriction makes one lose weight, when it is the first time you diet, and the body has not reacted to limit basic metabolism expenditure thinking it is starving. But when it is your second or third time around, try losing weight.

Anyhow, I have given up on Target, he can maintain his highly prejudice mind against obesite and against obese people despite facts and science, if he wishes so.

As I can maintain my own judgments on those who judge sick people.

[TargeT]

TargeT you are a young bunny. When one normally cuts back calories in an extreme way the body interprets that as starvation and without the hCG will slow the metabolism down and hold onto all stored fat, as well as whatever additional calories you are consuming.

That is a very old, very wrong myth.

Once your glucose levels drop below a certain point your mitochondria still need an energy source so your body starts to slide into ketosis (burning fat). Ketosis is a process that the body goes through on an everyday basis, regardless of the number of carbs you eat. This is because this process provides us with energy from ketones whenever sugar is not readily available. (https://www.ruled.me/ketosis-ketones-and-how-it-works/) You can monitor this in your self if you want, it's very inexpensive due to the popularity among body builders. (https://bestketonetest.com/)

Now, there are sometimes when this does not work out, if you are diabetic you can go too far into Ketosis into Ketoacidosis (https://www.ketogenic-diet-resource.com/ketoacidosis.html), but that's usually only during extreme situations like Diabetes or body building or super marathon runners etc.. and usually is entirely symptomatic of insulin resistance issues.


the body has not reacted to limit basic metabolism expenditure thinking it is starving.
The process you reference literally does not exist; we know nearly every step of this metabolic process very well at this point, though they are somewhat "recent" discoveries (last decade or two) in some aspects.


a guts bacteria keeping people slim has been discovered (bacteria absent in fat people)

Gotta love all these new discoveries! I'm a huge proponent of fecal transplants ;)
I've been trying to get my wife to do one for a couple years now due to her IBS.



Anyhow, I have given up on Target, he can maintain his highly prejudice mind against obesite and against obese people despite facts and science, if he wishes so.

As I can maintain my own judgments on those who judge sick people.

Your judging the hell out of me, I'm not jugding anything... you have a serious issue with this topic and project the hell out of it on me,

I'll take it, but I'm not blind to it... Look at what I posted, it has nothing to do with what you think I'm doing, I'm explaining a process that EXISTS, why do you spout such vitriol too that? Do you want sympathy? what do you want exactly? Seems to me like we are (at the basic root) agreeing on everything except for your interpretation of my posts...

back off lady!

[Flash]

TargeT;Your judging the hell out of me, I'm not jugding anything... you have a serious issue with this topic and project the hell out of it on me,

I'll take it, but I'm not blind to it... Look at what I posted, it has nothing to do with what you think I'm doing, I'm explaining a process that EXISTS, why do you spout such vitriol too that? Do you want sympathy? what do you want exactly? Seems to me like we are (at the basic root) agreeing on everything except for your interpretation of my posts...

back off lady!

I agree i was provocative, but with no hard feeling truly.

I do think we do not see the same way when it comes to difficulties - Ex. I have been explained in details by my endocrinologist why type 2 diabetics have so much problems to lose weight - it has nothing to do with will power, usually they do not eat more than anybody else, often less in fact, and it has nothing to do with dieting.

And, often when weight loss happens, it is gained back in no time, quite desperating.

when only relying on caloric intake count, we forget the rest of the problems to be resolved. The low caloric intake process is far from enough and quite incomplete. This is my point.

And yes I have an issue with this topic. I have been hearing so much but soooooo much misjudgment from sooooo many people throughout times, which would never have occured to someone with no legs for example or a person with cancer, yet, it is happening to obese people. Why??

I remember someone telling me, after years of high cortisol due to constant stress, that I had given myself the least destructive cancer, namely diabetis. And both are linked, weight gain and sugar processing in the tissue problems. And this is true, why is it not considered that way, like a cancer or a disease instead of a lack of willpower?

I was going to back off when I saw the excellent video you posted on another thread. But then, you posted here again about low caloric intake without consideration for the rest of the solutions. So, I could not resist but respond. It does trigger me.

I cannot stand dietecians anylonger either because they only focus on caloric reduction usually even if they could know better .:frusty::thumbsdown:

[RunningDeer]

I cannot stand dietecians any longer either because they only focus on caloric reduction usually even if they could know better .:frusty::thumbsdown:
Five of my siblings are on medication for Type II diabetes. My sister was discouraged with her weight loss progress, so I sent her Dr. Neal Barnard’s book. (see below) We met up this past weekend. There was a marked improvement from the last time we got together.

I’m about 2/3 into “The China Study,” by T. Colin Campbell, PhD & Thomas M. Campbell II, MD. The title is misleading. There are a lot of studies included. The material resonated with me so much so that I purchased the book. There’s a chapter on “Diabetes”. Here’s a free pdf (http://www.socakajak-klub.si/mma/The+China+Study.pdf/20111116065942/).

As mentioned above, another great book is “Dr. Neal Barnard’s Program for Reversing Diabetes: The Scientifically Proven System for Reversing Diabetes without Drugs”.


A New Nutritional Approach to Type 2 Diabetes - Dr. Neal Barnard (46 min.)
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Calorie Density: How To Eat More, Weigh Less and Live Longer
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Jeff Novick
Published on Sep 13, 2016

Calorie Density: How To Eat More, Weigh Less and Live Longer - Understanding a few simple concepts about calorie density is one of the keys to safe and permanent weight loss. In this enlightening and humorous talk, Jeff will show you why choosing the wrong kinds of calories is a major contributing factor to the obesity epidemic. His easy to follow instructions will help you reach your goal weight and live a long and healthy life.

Calorie Density Discussion Thread (https://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=53177). (Read the guidelines!)


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[TargeT]

you posted here again about low caloric intake without consideration for the rest of the solutions. So, I could not resist but respond. It does trigger me.
Just for clarity:
I responded to someone who said you had to carefully stick to a diet while taking a "weight loss hormone" (one which I myself have also taken, though in a much more extreme way with intramuscular injections)... I didn't do what you think I did, you read a bit too much into it; the HCG protocol in every flavor (oral/injected etc..) I've seen it has an extremely calorie restricted diet tied to it, I've never seen it with out that and I was just commenting on that aspect of it.

I'm sorry it's a sensitive topic, but you already know that so maybe spend a bit more time not-reacting nor hanging onto past conversations (I guess that's what your doing, will power was not mentioned??) :)

Either way, hopefully the "body going into starvation mode" was cleared up if nothing else.

[Flash]

I cannot stand dietecians any longer either because they only focus on caloric reduction usually even if they could know better .:frusty::thumbsdown:
Five of my siblings are on medication for Type II diabetes. My sister was discouraged with her weight loss progress, so I sent her Dr. Neal Barnard’s book. (see below) We met up this past weekend. There was a marked improvement from the last time we got together.

I’m about 2/3 into “The China Study,” by T. Colin Campbell, PhD & Thomas M. Campbell II, MD. The title is misleading. There are a lot of studies included. The material resonated with me so much so that I purchased the book. There’s a chapter on “Diabetes”. Here’s a free pdf (http://www.socakajak-klub.si/mma/The+China+Study.pdf/20111116065942/).

As mentioned above, another great book is “Dr. Neal Barnard’s Program for Reversing Diabetes: The Scientifically Proven System for Reversing Diabetes without Drugs”.


A New Nutritional Approach to Type 2 Diabetes - Dr. Neal Barnard (46 min.)
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VegMed
Published on Jul 13, 2016


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Calorie Density: How To Eat More, Weigh Less and Live Longer
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Jeff Novick
Published on Sep 13, 2016

Calorie Density: How To Eat More, Weigh Less and Live Longer - Understanding a few simple concepts about calorie density is one of the keys to safe and permanent weight loss. In this enlightening and humorous talk, Jeff will show you why choosing the wrong kinds of calories is a major contributing factor to the obesity epidemic. His easy to follow instructions will help you reach your goal weight and live a long and healthy life.

Calorie Density Discussion Thread (https://www.drmcdougall.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=53177). (Read the guidelines!)


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thanks Running Deer, I listened to both videos, quite interesting. Do you have any idea where I could find the graph to make a fridge magnet out of it? Where did you get the pic? Thanks

I am starting to take care of myself, stopped working 60 hours a week (in fact my contract is over and I am now home), so I started to do quite a lot of sport and dieting (well, eating the right stuff, eliminating the stress). This graph would be useful as a reminder. My endocrinologist is participating, changing prescriptions in consequence, giving the last all new medication in the meantime that I lose weight, etc. I will let you know the progress. I am not morbidly obese thank God, it will be easier, but I have quite a lot to lose.

Just with sport my blood sugar is lower. Adding the right food (already started a month ago) will certainly help.

The timing is right to go mostly vegan (I have a tendency to go low on iron, I may take supplements for this and B vitamins), my daughter is going away for 5 weeks, when back, the change will be done, she will just have to follow mom. Plus no work.

I am however mostly in a real good mood. This may have to do with Bob's suggestion for taking Taurine paired with less stress.

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Target, I read you, no problems, love you anyhow. You are like a big brother that I like to bug at times lolllll.

[ThePythonicCow]

The last, big key for me regarding weight, and a variety of various health complaints, has been keeping my carbs low.

Basically, I get a broad and complex variety of nutrients (water, vitamins, minerals, amino acids, phytonutrients, probiotics, prebiotics, spices, and essential fatty acids), and then fill out the rest with fats and oils such as coconut, red palm kernel, bacon, cheese, cream, butter, avocado, macadamia, hemp, olive, flax, chia, chocolate, ... all of the best quality that I can obtain or concoct, and that I can afford.

I eat all I want of these fats/oils. I lost some 50 or 60 pounds that I didn't need by switching to this high fat diet, from a more conventional high carb Standard American Diet (SAD). I actually end up adding back in a few carbs now and then, in order to keep my weight from getting too low.

I am over 70, and my primary exercise consists of occasionally adjusting the position of my computer's keyboard on my working desk :). The last time I exercised or did physical work on any regular basis was almost a half century ago.

It has taken me a long time (many years) to refine the variety, quality, and amounts of various nutrients that my body prefers. This was mostly done one symptom at a time. I would notice something not working so well in my body and fiddle with my diet, water and supplements until it was no longer a problem.

My switch from a high carb to a high fat diet was the last "big step" that made a major change, in various ways, for the better. The initial shift from high carb to high fat was done while measuring ketone levels, with a goal of getting solidly into ketosis, which suited my "numbers and goals" mental orientation. Once I had made the shift, I no longer monitored ketone levels; simply noticing my weight and the appearance of any undesired health complaints has been a sufficient feedback loop.

My decision, over twelve years ago now, to cease all contact with conventional medicine, except for (thankfully not yet needed) emergency trauma care, has been another critical element for me. I am my own doctor, and food is my medicine. I plan to live, and eventually die, on those terms. Conventional medicine has lost the way. This approach tends to focus the mind; if something isn't working right, I have to figure it out myself. There is no fallback.

[ThePythonicCow]

I’m about 2/3 into “The China Study,” by T. Colin Campbell, PhD & Thomas M. Campbell II, MD.

As I noticed here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29233-Vegans-are-plants-sentient-life-forms-too&p=296938&viewfull=1#post296938) back in August of 2011, after reading Denise Minger's analysis of The China Study, at The China Study: Fact or Fallacy? (http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/), I no longer recommend The China Study. But I do recommend Denise Minger's blog - she's awesome.

[RunningDeer]

thanks Running Deer, I listened to both videos, quite interesting. Do you have any idea where I could find the graph to make a fridge magnet out of it? Where did you get the pic? Thanks

I am starting to take care of myself, stopped working 60 hours a week (in fact my contract is over and I am now home), so I started to do quite a lot of sport and dieting (well, eating the right stuff, eliminating the stress). This graph would be useful as a reminder. My endocrinologist is participating, changing prescriptions in consequence, giving the last all new medication in the meantime that I lose weight, etc. I will let you know the progress. I am not morbidly obese thank God, it will be easier, but I have quite a lot to lose.

Just with sport my blood sugar is lower. Adding the right food (already started a month ago) will certainly help.

The timing is right to go mostly vegan (I have a tendency to go low on iron, I may take supplements for this and B vitamins), my daughter is going away for 5 weeks, when back, the change will be done, she will just have to follow mom. Plus no work.

I am however mostly in a real good mood. This may have to do with Bob's suggestion for taking Taurine paired with less stress.

I just skimmed Paul's post and will give it a thorough read once I post. I had this written up and will add it anyway.

Flash, no doubt those five weeks will fly by. I look forward to hear about your progress. The graphic came from the video. I wasn’t able to find the magnet on-line. You can drag the graphic to your desktop, print and laminate or slip it into a plastic sheath.

I followed your conversations with Bob on the Taurine thread. B12 supplement is important to take. I use the product “Vegansafe B-12”. I purchase foods such as brown rice, barley, all kinds of beans in bulk on-line and vacuum seal (https://www.walmart.com/search?query=foodsaver+food+savers+accessories&redirect=false) in liter size mason jars.

My last Ben & Jerry’s was four months ago. So now that I’m committed to not eating it, I’m about 98% whole food plant-based (WHFB). The other 2% is when I’m out with family and friends. Or when a garlic pizza calls out to me. Which is about every 6-8 weeks.

I’ll continue doing what I am doing no matter what is stated about “The China Study”. Update: post # 121 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3540-Weight-loss-cure-THEY-don-t-want-you-to-know-about...&p=1222154&viewfull=1#post1222154).

I do take vitamins and minerals, though not every day. I have a BMI scale. Mine is in the normal range of 24-31% for my age and height. It's closer to lower #. Now that I’ve kicked out my friends, Ben and Jerry, I suspect it will go a bit lower. I no longer do crazy exercise. Gentle yoga stretches and walks keep me fitful.

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[DNA]

This weight loss will last as long as you are careful in what you eat following the diet.

What if you just dieted that way with out the spray?

For all that HCG did to me, I'm pretty convinced most of it was the fact that I was eating 400 calories a day or less and was probably DEEP into Ketosis by day 3 or so.

I've never done the HCG thing, but I've read about it.
The key with the HCG is that it resets your body's idea of how it needs to store fat.
The 400 calories a day are indeed how you lose the initial weight but the HCG helps to reset your bodies harmones so that you are able to keep the weight off with little or no effort. In fact, in the Kevin Treadeau book "the weight loss cure they don't want you to know about" he states that as long as you avoid preservatives and other food chemicals, basically eating organic, you will keep the weight off after losing it.

2010 is a long time ago, I've changed my behavior quite a bit since. In 2010 I thought I knew it all. I knew about the conspiracy with Government trying to keep quiet UFO visitations. I was pretty current with the whole Illuminati thing. But I was woefully ignorant on a very specific conspiracy.
The conspiracy to reduce the life span of the American and World people through the use of pesticides, preservatives and GMO's.

Trudeau stated in his , "The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You To Know About," book from 2006 that the current state of health and obesity was not an accident or the result of negligence, but in fact, it is the result of a coordinated effort by big Pharma who will profit from curing the symptoms associated with environmental illness and profit from producing the chemicals in the food to produce addiction so you keep buying from the fast food peddlers and grocery store peddlers.
Trudeau didn't even offer a line of food or drugs. His message was simple and all he was selling.

Trudeau stated "eat organic", and use the "HCG diet protocal" to lose any initial fat, but maintain your desired weight through eating organic. I personally think eating low carb is essential as well, being as sugar is such a toxic chemical in your body.

Ironically Trudeau stated in his book, that folks who told the truth in connection to diet and weight loss were often assassinated and or imprisoned. The irony is not lost on me that this is indeed what happened to Trudeau as he now sits in prison on a ten year sentence for writing this book. Some of the points in this book would be.

1. The Government wants to kill off the population, so they are doing so with food causing diseases and big pharma treating the symptons of the diseases and causing more diseases in the process.

2. Pesticides and petroleum based fertilizers cause fruits and vegetables to no longer be a positive part of your diet.

3. GMO'd food is as much designed to kill you as it is designed to increase yields in crops.

4. Preservatives in processed foods are a poison.

5. Most weight loss cures are designed to keep you fat and in the process kill you.

6. HCG will help you lose weight, and once you've lost the weight, eat anything you want as long as it is organic.

7. People didn't start getting obese, what we call obese until chemical preservatives and hydrogenated oils. Think about what was considered fat 100 years ago. Curly from the three stooges was considered a fat guy, but would he be considered remotely fat by today's standards?

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Trudeau points out that he came to this awakening as he sat on a 150ft type yacht sitting off the coast of Cannes. He was allowed to witness a meeting of elite types who were talking about their machiovellian plans to decrease the world human population.
This is all mentioned in the book this thread is titled under, and again, he is spending ten years in prison for writing this book.

[RunningDeer]

As I noticed here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29233-Vegans-are-plants-sentient-life-forms-too&p=296938&viewfull=1#post296938) back in August of 2011, after reading Denise Minger's analysis of The China Study, at The China Study: Fact or Fallacy? (http://rawfoodsos.com/the-china-study/), I no longer recommend The China Study. But I do recommend Denise Minger's blog - she's awesome.
I’m reading the 2016, revised and expanded edition of “The China Study,” which includes a 67 pages of appendices and references. I’d suggest not to stop at Denise Minger’s interpretation of the one study and give it a second peruse. There are a number of scientific studies provided in the 448 pages.

Bottom line? I'm here to share what works for me and what I learn along the way. It's hard to watch loved ones suffer and die from things that could've been prevented with incremental tweaks.

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Denise Minger vs T. Colin Campbell, PhD

A: Denise Minger

awesome YouTuber

blogger/writer

“…vegan critic, Denise Minger, self-proclaimed debunker of T. Collin Campbell's "The China Study".

“Denise lists a host of major health problems she experienced while following a raw vegan diet several years ago including hair loss, tooth decay, muscle loss, and vitamin deficiencies.”

B: T. Colin Campbell, PhD

Studied pre-veterinary medicine at Pennsylvania State University, where he obtained his B.S. in 1956, then attended veterinary school at the University of Georgia for a year. He completed his M.S. in nutrition and biochemistry at Cornell in 1958, where he studied under Clive McCay (known for his research on nutrition and aging), and his Ph.D. in nutrition, biochemistry, and microbiology in 1961, also at Cornell.

“Campbell has followed a "99% vegan" diet since around 1990. He does not identify himself as a vegetarian or vegan because, he said, "they often infer something other than what I espouse”. He told the New York Times: "The idea is that we should be consuming whole foods. We should not be relying on the idea that genes are determinants of our health. We should not be relying on the idea that nutrient supplementation is the way to get nutrition, because it's not. I'm talking about whole, plant-based foods.” (Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T._Colin_Campbell#Career))



Denise Minger: Starving On A Raw Vegan Diet?




“Rather than deficiencies inherent to a vegan diet, we propose that the true cause of her symptoms is starvation - an extreme form of malnutrition - which happens to have the very SAME symptoms she experienced. In a nutshell, Denise wasn't getting enough calories for proper health, which highlights a very important point: be sure you eat enough food on a raw vegan diet!

It's unfortunate that Denise fell ill while experimenting with a raw vegan diet. It's even more unfortunate that she misidentified the cause of her symptoms. Starvation can happen, if one is not careful, on any diet. But to blame a vegan diet as the cause of her symptoms, as we discuss, is baseless and is just indulging in fear mongering.” (summary continued below)


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Happy Healthy Vegan (http://happyhealthyvegan.org/)
Published on Jul 11, 2013

Today we examine the claims of vegan critic, Denise Minger, self-proclaimed debunker of T. Collin Cambell's "The China Study". On a RawBrahs video ("Raw Vegan Diet Warning," linked below) Denise lists a host of major health problems she experienced while following a raw vegan diet several years ago including hair loss, tooth decay, muscle loss, and vitamin deficiencies. To this day Denise asserts in public talks that vegans and vegetarians can not maintain good health for more than a short amount of time as our health will eventually decline until we add meat back into our diets.


Damage To Body By Starvation: - https://www.livestrong.com/article/486663-damage-to-body-by-starvation/
Raw Vegan Diet Warning from Denise Minger & RahBrahs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ft_SqZuvhME
Denise's Website: http://rawfoodsos.com

[Flash]

I have been vegetarian for a few years in my thirties. I was very careful to eat enough and the right food, biological etc. After a few years, I was literally dreaming of a good fat steak, very often, not daydreaming, but real night dreams. I realised that I was certainly missing some nutrients, so I ate a good large steak after a few years, oh delicious was it!!! lol

This convinced me that mostly vegetarian is fine, but not entirely, at least not for me.

Then husband happened, stress and all - all detrimental to my health lolll

So, we will see, if veges do not work, i will do like Paul. lol I do not think that bulk feeling is enough, but slow digestion is also required not to feel hungry. I have to try and see.

However, I noticed that I was eating too many nuts and too much oil from Running deer videos. It will be corrected.

[RunningDeer]

I have been vegetarian for a few years in my thirties. I was very careful to eat enough and the right food, biological etc. After a few years, I was literally dreaming of a good fat steak, very often, not daydreaming, but real night dreams. I realised that I was certainly missing some nutrients, so I ate a good large steak after a few years, oh delicious was it!!! lol

This convinced me that mostly vegetarian is fine, but not entirely, at least not for me.

Then husband happened, stress and all - all detrimental to my health lolll

So, we will see, if veges do not work, i will do like Paul. lol I do not think that bulk feeling is enough, but slow digestion is also required not to feel hungry. I have to try and see.

However, I noticed that I was eating too many nuts and too much oil from Running deer videos. It will be corrected.

Some of the incremental tweaks I mentioned would be to eat more fruits and vegetables (fiber). This past weekend, I had a steak sandwich with cheese and grilled onions and French fries. For me, whole food plant-based (WHFB) is a healthful guideline.
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I google this: What is the difference between whole food plant-based (WHFB) and vegan?

What can you eat on a whole food plant based diet?

It's a diet based on fruits, vegetables, tubers, whole grains, and legumes; and it excludes or minimizes meat (including chicken and fish), dairy products, and eggs, as well as highly refined foods like bleached flour, refined sugar, and oil.

However, a food that is vegan may not be suitable for someone who is plant based or eating a "plant based diet." Oreos, potato chips, Skittles, French fries, vegan cheese, vegan "faux" meat, Coca-cola, and pretzels are all good examples of this distinction. These items are free of animal products, making them "vegan" and suitable for vegans, but they are not considered "plant foods" (they are plant fragments) which are generally not suitable for people sticking to a whole foods, plant-based diet.