The Hitler Speech They Don't Want You To Hear

[ktlight]

THIS IS A MUST WATCH

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[Corncrake]

Interesting - another perspective. Over the last few years I have had my view of the world and its history changed and knowing now that Pearl Harbour was a false flag, and could have been prevented, means I am more prepared to consider the points being addressed here. However, it doesn't make me feel any better towards Hitler just more doubtful of Roosevelt and the US's motivation for entering the war - even though they did ultimately 'save our bacon'.

[christian]

Not available in my country. Saw it via proxy.
It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

[The One]

It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2

To steal the technology of the German scientist.Lets not forget it was these guys who put America into space.I dont need to say anymore we all know about operation paperclip.

[eric charles]

Not available in my country. Saw it via proxy.
It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Tag chiquetet , Bist Du aus Deuschland ? Ich sehe deine Titel , Wohnst Leipzig . Ich habe Deutsch lerne twei Jahre

[Lord Sidious]

Hitler is no different to stalin and all the others.
He came here to play a part in the play.
Only the audience think it is all real.

[John Parslow]

He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Grandpa Bush I believe. JP :cool:

P.S

It's a case of the cabal backing both sides as usual. There is much money to be made from supply of arms and reparations. They are instrumental in starting wars then fund them and loan cash afterwards for the re-building etc. Nice little scam and they have got away with it for a long time - now people are waking up let's hope that it will come crashing round their evil heads ...

[Fred Steeves]

It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

True, but then again so was/is ours. At the shallow level anyway, I'm coming to the conclusion that WW 2 was not about good vs. evil, but merely competing interests. The victor writes the history books.

Imagine all the stories of American atrocities that would be ingrained in the minds of school children today had the war gone the other way, and the U.S. was over run by Japan from the west, and Germany and Italy from the east. I can see the story now: "The 'Allies' were left with no other choice but to begin the invasion of the Imperialists by dropping nuclear bombs on New York, D.C., Los Angeles, and 17 other American cities, simply because the millions of still war frenzied American fanatics would have refused to accept defeat otherwise, and fought to the last man...The senseless loss of life this would have incurred on our brave fighting men was simply unacceptable..."

[taurad]

Not available in my country. Saw it via proxy.
It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Hi chiquetet,

can you validate the translation as accurate?

cheers

[taurad]

It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

True, but then again so was/is ours. At the shallow level anyway, I'm coming to the conclusion that WW 2 was not about good vs. evil, but merely competing interests. The victor writes the history books.

Imagine all the stories of American atrocities that would be ingrained in the minds of school children today had the war gone the other way, and the U.S. was over run by Japan from the west, and Germany and Italy from the east. I can see the story now: "The 'Allies' were left with no other choice but to begin the invasion of the Imperialists by dropping nuclear bombs on New York, D.C., Los Angeles, and 17 other American cities, simply because the millions of still war frenzied American fanatics would have refused to accept defeat otherwise, and fought to the last man...The senseless loss of life this would have incurred on our brave fighting men was simply unacceptable..."

the WWII setup remains a pure mystery to me...

this actual account, by simply taking Hiltler's words as "truthful", without a back-door story, suggests the Reich got strong fast, and achieved total domination in the region @ minimal effort, and @ that point, was ready to establish New-INDOEuropean-German-Order from Portugal to China, "peacefully" since no one wanted to face the fury of the Reich...kinda of what the EU is today, anyways...

but Teddy Roosevelt wanted a piece of this, Britain wanted a piece of this, it's a money-making opportunity...

so the rest is history...

this is how i interpret this Hitler's declaration, if it is what it sounds...

still, as chiquetet mentioned, there's other interests and reasons that are hard to ignore, as an incitement of the WWII, ranging from the depopulation program to the justification of the creation of the Israeli state, the "spiritual" acquisition of Jerusalem...and every other motive in the between...

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Grandpa Bush I believe. JP :cool:

P.S

It's a case of the cabal backing both sides as usual. There is much money to be made from supply of arms and reparations. They are instrumental in starting wars then fund them and loan cash afterwards for the re-building etc. Nice little scam and they have got away with it for a long time - now people are waking up let's hope that it will come crashing round their evil heads ...

No, they had an oil company.
There were three main banks that did indeed provide heaps of money to the NSDAP in the mid to late 20's and early 30's in order to get them elected.
I am in two minds about it.
There are two possibilities and they may both be accurate and that is that there were still multiple factions within the banksters at this time and one group decided Hitler and the NSDAP would be good allies and the other is that there is always duality here until we attain our holy grail and ''ascend'' past our limitations.



Not available in my country. Saw it via proxy.
It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Hi chiquetet,

can you validate the translation as accurate?

cheers

I can tell you that this is a genuine translation of a speech he did give.




It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2.
He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

True, but then again so was/is ours. At the shallow level anyway, I'm coming to the conclusion that WW 2 was not about good vs. evil, but merely competing interests. The victor writes the history books.

Imagine all the stories of American atrocities that would be ingrained in the minds of school children today had the war gone the other way, and the U.S. was over run by Japan from the west, and Germany and Italy from the east. I can see the story now: "The 'Allies' were left with no other choice but to begin the invasion of the Imperialists by dropping nuclear bombs on New York, D.C., Los Angeles, and 17 other American cities, simply because the millions of still war frenzied American fanatics would have refused to accept defeat otherwise, and fought to the last man...The senseless loss of life this would have incurred on our brave fighting men was simply unacceptable..."

the WWII setup remains a pure mystery to me...

this actual account, by simply taking Hiltler's words as "truthful", without a back-door story, suggests the Reich got strong fast, and achieved total domination in the region @ minimal effort, and @ that point, was ready to establish New-INDOEuropean-German-Order from Portugal to China, "peacefully" since no one wanted to face the fury of the Reich...kinda of what the EU is today, anyways...

but Teddy Roosevelt wanted a piece of this, Britain wanted a piece of this, it's a money-making opportunity...

so the rest is history...

this is how i interpret this Hitler's declaration, if it is what it sounds...

still, as chiquetet mentioned, there's other interests and reasons that are hard to ignore, as a incitement of the WWII, ranging from the depopulation program to the justification of the creation of the Israeli state, the "spiritual" acquisition of Jerusalem...and every other motive in the between...

cheers

One thing you need to know about, is that the so called United Kingdom has been playing one off the other in Europe since the late 1600's in what they call the ''balance of power'' doctrine.
What they have done is back no two, three and four, to topple number one.
This way, they continue to dominate the european trade.
You will find that in 1815, they were with the Prussians to defeat the French.
In 1854, they were with the French to defeat Russia.
And on and on and on and on it goes.

[Fred Steeves]

O.K., my wife who speaks fluent German listened to this, and her overall opinion is to wonder why the audio is so blurry and difficult to understand, as compared to listening to his speeches on the History Channel. The Germans certainly had the technology for crisp audio, as did we for Roosevelt's fireside chats, so this is a bit odd.

Anyone else notice that?

[alienHunter]

Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Hitler?

[Fred Steeves]

Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Hitler?

Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Roosevelt?

[Davidallany]

Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Hitler?

Because of his mustache, it shows humility.

[The One]

Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Hitler?

And all the other leaders of the world at present

[WhiteFeather]

He doesn't mention, that the Nazi movement was supported by international bankers from Wall Street, though.

Grandpa Bush I believe. JP :cool:

P.S

It's a case of the cabal backing both sides as usual. There is much money to be made from supply of arms and reparations. They are instrumental in starting wars then fund them and loan cash afterwards for the re-building etc. Nice little scam and they have got away with it for a long time - now people are waking up let's hope that it will come crashing round their evil heads ...

Prescott Bush that P/O/Shyte. And all he got was a slap on the wrist for his involvement with Hitler and The Banksters. So you see how the pieces start to fit in very nicely here.

[alienHunter]

cynic...cause Roosevelt is an American, of course...:nod:

[Lord Sidious]

O.K., my wife who speaks fluent German listened to this, and her overall opinion is to wonder why the audio is so blurry and difficult to understand, as compared to listening to his speeches on the History Channel. The Germans certainly had the technology for crisp audio, as did we for Roosevelt's fireside chats, so this is a bit odd.

Anyone else notice that?

It may have been taken from a 33 rpm record, like some other speeches, one by Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler for example.

[taurad]

It's true, that the US was desperate to join WW2

To steal the technology of the German scientist.Lets not forget it was these guys who put America into space.I dont need to say anymore we all know about operation paperclip.

i know, it's getting established as a "serious reason", but is it the only reason...
how many B&K interviews we've seen so far, suggesting multiple reason, each one good enough to catapult him to power!
my issue is what's the major one, the mother of all plans...


Why would anyone believe the words of an address by Hitler?

for the type of dictator he was, one also has to recognize the megalomaniac in him...he's must have suffered from the "god" syndrome badly, and as such, could allow himself to be DIRECT, he strongly believed in his theory...



One thing you need to know about, is that the so called United Kingdom has been playing one off the other in Europe since the late 1600's in what they call the ''balance of power'' doctrine.
What they have done is back no two, three and four, to topple number one.
This way, they continue to dominate the european trade.
You will find that in 1815, they were with the Prussians to defeat the French.
In 1854, they were with the French to defeat Russia.
And on and on and on and on it goes.

never doubted this my Lord ;)

[jagman]

Lets not forget about Mein Kamph .

[Mark]

Lets not forget about Mein Kamph .

It would be nice to remember overt policies alongside the covert ones. Not that America was any different, being responsible for the eugenics movement in the first place and carrying them on to their ultimate manifestation, witness "Planned Parenthood", the Energy Dept. continued genetic experiments, as mentioned, Paperclip and Nazi International. Two sides of the same coin, flip it and you come up with the same people each time, with just slightly different plans of genocide and planetary domination.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KTlight good thread I agree with much thats been said..As with all wars there are manylevels Governments, armies,victims and those manipulating behind the scenes....

The road to war is both simple and complex......in Dec 1941 Hitler had conquered or had influence over most of Europe and was ripping thru the Ukraine into Russia....

The last thing on Hitlers mind was peace, unless it was 10 years down the line when he was master of Europe and Soviet Russia with massive influence everywhere else...

So he could complete his fantasy of New Berlin....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Second_world_war_europe_1941-1942_map_en.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rs53-MPsJaI/Splv07CCWFI/AAAAAAAAODg/VkEaqqL7Q38/s400/ger-Welthauptstadt_Germania-726633.jpg

Hitler was a meglamaniac and was used by the TPTB as was Roosevelt, Churchill and the rest..As we know the game is on multi levels and we are at the bottom......But at least as we are waking up andthere is only one way to go......UP.....Steve

[Lord Sidious]

Lets not forget about Mein Kamph .

Ok, what about Mein Kampf?
Have you read it?
I have multiple times.

[jagman]

Lets not forget about Mein Kamph .

It would be nice to remember overt policies alongside the covert ones. Not that America was any different, being responsible for the eugenics movement in the first place and carrying them on to their ultimate manifestation, witness "Planned Parenthood", the Energy Dept. continued genetic experiments, as mentioned, Paperclip and Nazi International. Two sides of the same coin, flip it and you come up with the same people each time, with just slightly different plans of genocide and planetary domination.

Exactly the point I was trying to make. Thanks for helping me articulate Rahkyt

[Mark]

This is "what about Mein Kampf", at least for me, one of his "mongrels":

"Apart from the new artistic trash, which might easily have been
produced by a negro tribe, all genuine artistic inspiration came from the German
section of the population"

"Germans were taught not to seek the salvation of their nation in the
false ideology of international fraternization between negroes, Germans, Chinese,
French and English, etc., but in the strength and unity of their own national being."

"The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into
the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate
and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate. For as
long as a people remain racially pure and are conscious of the treasure of their blood,
they can never be overcome by the Jew. Never in this world can the Jew become master
of any people except a bastardized people."

"For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all ideals of human beauty and
nobility and all hopes of an idealized future for our humanity would be lost forever."

" From time to time our illustrated papers publish, for the edification of the
German philistine, the news that in some quarter or other of the globe, and for the first
time in that locality, a Negro has become a lawyer, a teacher, a pastor, even a grand
opera tenor or something else of that kind. While the bourgeois blockhead stares with
amazed admiration at the notice that tells him how marvellous are the achievements of
our modern educational technique, the more cunning Jew sees in this fact a new proof
to be utilized for the theory with which he wants to infect the public, namely that all
men are equal. It does not dawn on the murky bourgeois mind that the fact which is
published for him is a sin against reason itself, that it is an act of criminal insanity to
train a being who is only an anthropoid by birth until the pretence can be made that he
has been turned into a lawyer; while, on the other hand, millions who belong to the
most civilized races have to remain in positions which are unworthy of their cultural level."

Of course there is much more. None Unity-conscious. Of course, a representative of his day and THIS day to a large extent as well. I understand the arguments that he was helping his people and what he believed was common. But that is no justification to keep him on a pedestal.

[Cidersomerset]

A little side issue ....Humanbeings are complex creatures there is potential for good and bad in all of us...By all acounts privately Adolph was a polite gentleman...

Originally he wanted to be a artist....

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Albert Speer Hitlers architect and later minister of Armamants was one of his favourites..

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Amidst all this death and destruction Hitler had a grand vision for his 1000 year Reich...

As Rome burnt Nero Fiddled....So as Hitler did a runner for South America...Berlin Burned....


Hitlers favourite painters..
http://uncleeddiestheorycorner.blogspot.com/2009/08/hitlers-favorite-painters.html

Many Dictators thru history have built monuments , cities, empires on rivers of human blood...Its well past the time humanity outgrows this evil plague on our conciousness...Steve

[Lord Sidious]

This is "what about Mein Kampf", at least for me, one of his "mongrels":

"Apart from the new artistic trash, which might easily have been
produced by a negro tribe, all genuine artistic inspiration came from the German
section of the population"

"Germans were taught not to seek the salvation of their nation in the
false ideology of international fraternization between negroes, Germans, Chinese,
French and English, etc., but in the strength and unity of their own national being."

"The Jews were responsible for bringing negroes into
the Rhineland, with the ultimate idea of bastardizing the white race which they hate
and thus lowering its cultural and political level so that the Jew might dominate. For as
long as a people remain racially pure and are conscious of the treasure of their blood,
they can never be overcome by the Jew. Never in this world can the Jew become master
of any people except a bastardized people."

"For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all ideals of human beauty and
nobility and all hopes of an idealized future for our humanity would be lost forever."

" From time to time our illustrated papers publish, for the edification of the
German philistine, the news that in some quarter or other of the globe, and for the first
time in that locality, a Negro has become a lawyer, a teacher, a pastor, even a grand
opera tenor or something else of that kind. While the bourgeois blockhead stares with
amazed admiration at the notice that tells him how marvellous are the achievements of
our modern educational technique, the more cunning Jew sees in this fact a new proof
to be utilized for the theory with which he wants to infect the public, namely that all
men are equal. It does not dawn on the murky bourgeois mind that the fact which is
published for him is a sin against reason itself, that it is an act of criminal insanity to
train a being who is only an anthropoid by birth until the pretence can be made that he
has been turned into a lawyer; while, on the other hand, millions who belong to the
most civilized races have to remain in positions which are unworthy of their cultural level."

Of course there is much more. None Unity-conscious. Of course, a representative of his day and THIS day to a large extent as well. I understand the arguments that he was helping his people and what he believed was common. But that is no justification to keep him on a pedestal.

I was curious to see what the question was behind the statement jagmanugget was making.
I agree with your summary, not much else can be said.
I think like a lot of the actors, he told the audience what it needed to hear at the time.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Rahkyt ...Well summed up ......Hitler was a Evil, racist, Ba======. As well.....Steve

[Mark]

I was curious to see what the question was behind the statement jagmanugget was making.
I agree with your summary, not much else can be said.
I think like a lot of the actors, he told the audience what it needed to hear at the time.

I agree. A few people stated earlier that these wars are just acts, that is so. Looking at WWII in particular, the genetic resonance in the three primary countries the US, GB and Germany, is amazing. So many of the elites had family members in charge in the countries they were supposed to be fighting against. Brothers against brothers, cousins against cousins. The number of personal fortunes that exponentially grew during and after the war is amazing. The level of consolidation, politically and economically, that occurred after the war and during the monroe-doctrine era of rapine behavior in Africa and rebuilding of Europe set the pace for the ending of overt colonization and the globalisation era. At that level of the game, the death of millions is meaningless when you are a natural psychopath or raised and trained to be one. I'm addressing these issues directly in the book I am currently writing.

The problem is, so many people still buy into the supremacy belief system. So many people still want to be better than someone else, perhaps not realizing that this is the oldest game on the planet, galaxy and maybe universe. But those who DO realize it and still hold these beliefs are consciously buying into the pyramid scheme and are in league with those who wish to dominate and destroy the majority of the people on this planet.

Unity consciousness is oppositional to everything pyramidal and hierarchical. Ethnicities are different, bodies are different, people have different capacities and different groups of people may indeed have certain traits in common, but the souls within the bodies are equal and these forms are chosen for the experiences the bodies and their groups are going through, whether they are lessons or further entrapments, this remains so.

[Lord Sidious]

If you go back to world war one, the king of England, the kaiser of Germany and the Czar of Russia were all cousins and grandsons of Victoria, queen of the so called United Kingdom.

[Mark]

If you go back to world war one, the king of England, the kaiser of Germany and the Czar of Russia were all cousins and grandsons of Victoria, queen of the so called United Kingdom.

I didn't know that but it makes perfect sense. The supremacy twaddle they peddle to the masses pales next to the supremacy REALITY they have created. Dragon Court, Sidhe descended Tuatha de Danaan, Annunaki-blooded Merovingian and Line of David cross-bred supremacy is not something that they believe every person with pale skin shares. But they don't mind if a whole bunch of people believe it if it serves their purpose, that is for certain.

I read something the other day that was new for me, that the original Aryans (Annunaki-blooded) were red-haired and green-eyed, not blonde-haired and blue-eyed. If that is true, then the deception is once again kind of ironic, when so many people who believe in their supremacy to the core of their being are being laughed at by those who consider themselves to be the "cream of the alien crop", manipulating entire Sythian, Kurgan or faux-Aryan genetic strains to conduct their wars of genocide and planetary domination in their name.

[Cidersomerset]

Czar Nicholas 11 & King george V

http://knol.google.com/k/-/-/3pj5r6n3uurvd/54ytej/willednick.jpg

Kieser Wilhelm 11 all three were cousins as Sid said.



Nearly all US Presidents are Related to the British and French Royal Families

http://thecounterpunch.hubpages.com/hub/Nearly-all-US-Presidents-are-descendant-from-the-British-and-French-Royal-Families

All but one US president are related to the anglo/French English King John...Signaturee' to the Magna Carter........

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Not sure where I'm going with this yet ..Other than the US Presidency is a royal bloodline..LOL

Right King John is the 21st great grandfather of Queen Elizebeth 11, so underneath as everyone assumes on here the US & UK courts so to speak, thus Australia, Canada, New Zealand etc are intertwined....??????

http://www.britroyals.com/kings.asp?id=john

I'm trying to see if Adolph is related, you never know Vlad is..LOL

Probably for another thread, but interesting at least we know where those Annunaki bloodlines are now and why war is so prevelent, which does tie into this thread...

The Albert Speer doc is verygood, Shows his relationship with Hitler and their fixation with 'Germania' the future capital of the Riech...Steve

[shamanseeker]

"A little side issue ....Humanbeings are complex creatures there is potential for good and bad in all of us...By all acounts privately Adolph was a polite gentleman...

Originally he wanted to be a artist...."


Hitler was refused entry into the Academy of Arts or whatever it was called over there and was and is considered by contemporary art critics to be an artist of little talent.


"I'm trying to see if Adolph is related, you never know Vlad is..LOL"



Hitler was probably the illegitimate grandson of one of the Rothschilds:

The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin, were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were manipulated into office, and their country’s war effort funded, by the Rothschilds and the other Illuminati bloodlines.

So are we to believe, therefore, that although this same group provably funded Adolf Hitler’s rise to power and his war machine, that he would be the odd one out, a leader of crucial importance to the agenda who was NOT bloodline?

But hold on. Hitler couldn’t be the same bloodline as, say, the Rothschilds because, as we all know, the Rothschilds are defenders of Jewish people and Hitler slaughtered them, along with communists and gypsies and others who opposed him or he wanted to eliminate. The Rothschilds are Jewish, they’d never do that.

Oh really.

According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a Rothschild.

This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the Rothschilds and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal "war hero", Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist.

Their royal relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been one of them.

Langer writes:
"Adolf’s father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler. There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois… (an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back home... where Alois was born."
Langer’s information came from the high level Gestapo officer, Hansjurgen Koehler, published in 1940, under the title "Inside the Gestapo". He writes about the investigations into Hitler’s background carried out by the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfuss, in the family files of Hitler.

Koehler actually viewed a copy of the Dolfuss documents which were given to him by Heydrich, the overlord of the Nazi Secret Service. The file, he wrote, "caused such havoc as no file in the world ever caused before" (Inside the Gestapo, p 143).

He also revealed that:
"..The second bundle in the blue file contained the documents collected by Dolfuss. The small statured, but big-hearted Austrian Chancellor must have known by such a personal file he might be able to check Hitler…His task was not difficult; as ruler of Austria he could easily find out about the personal data and family of Adolf Hitler, who had been born on Austrian soil...

Through the original birth certificates, police registration cards, protocols, etc., all contained in the original file, the Austrian Chancellor succeeded in piecing together the disjointed parts of the puzzle, creating a more or less logical entity.

A little servant girl… (Hitler’s grandmother)… came to Vienna and became a domestic servant, mostly working for rather rich families. But she was unlucky; having been seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went home to her village for her confinement… Where was the little maid serving in Vienna? This was not a very difficult problem.

Very early Vienna had instituted the system of compulsory police registration. Both servants and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to discover the registration card. The little, innocent maid had been a servant at the…Rothschild mansion. ..and Hitler’s unknown grandfather must be probably looked for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file stopped at this statement."
Was Hitler’s determination to take over Austria anything to do with his desire to destroy records of his lineage?

A correspondent who has extensively researched this subject writes:
"It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection long before his Chancellorship. Like his father before him, when the going got rough, the Hitlers went to Vienna. Hitler’s father left his home village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907, he left for Vienna not long after the funeral.

There he seemed to drop out of sight for ten months! What happened during this ten-month stay in Vienna is a complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It makes sense, now that it has become established that Hitler was a Rothschild, that he and his cousins were getting acquainted, and his potential for future family endeavors was being sized up".
The Rothschilds and the Illuminati produce many offspring out of wedlock in their secret breeding programs and these children are brought up under other names with other parents.

Like Bill Clinton, who is almost certainly a Rockefeller produced in the same way, these "ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds" go on to be extraordinarily successful in their chosen field. Hitler, too, would have produced unofficial children to maintain his strand of the bloodline and there will obviously be people of his bloodline alive today.

So which Rothschild was the grandfather of Hitler? My thanks to a website correspondent for the additional, updated, information to this article, a man has researched this story in some detail.

Alois, Hitler’s father, was born in 1837 in the period when Salomon Mayer was the only Rothschild who lived at the Vienna mansion. Even his wife did not live there because their marriage was so bad that she stayed in Frankfurt. Their son, Anselm Salomon spent most of his working life in Paris and Frankfurt away from Vienna and his father.

Father Salomon Mayer, living alone at the Vienna mansion where Hitler’s grandmother worked, is the prime, most obvious candidate.

And Hermann von Goldschmidt, the son of Salomon Mayer’s senior clerk, wrote a book, published in 1917, which said of Salomon:
"…by the 1840s he had developed a somewhat reckless enthusiasm for young girls.."

and

"He had a lecherous passion for very young girls, his adventures with whom had to be hushed up by the police."
And Hitler’s grandmother, a young girl working under the same roof would not have been the subject of Salomon’s desire?

And this same girl became pregnant while working there? And her grandson becomes the Chancellor of Germany, funded by the Rothschilds, and he started the Second World War which was so vital to the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda? And the Illuminati are obsessed with putting their bloodlines into power on all "sides" in a conflict?

And the Rothschilds are one of their most key bloodlines? And it is all a co-incidence?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild04.htm

[David Trd1]

Hitler is no different to stalin and all the others.
He came here to play a part in the play.
Only the audience think it is all real.

i completely resonate with that.....nail on head so to speak.:)

[Lord Sidious]

That ''story'' has no basis in reality.
How do I know?
Because I researched this in depth.
There was this guy called Reinhard Heydrich, who had a card filing system on everyone of interest in Germany.
After the NSDAP took power, he eventually became head of the RSHA, the central security office.
Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler, being his boss, heard these rumours about Hitler having Jewish blood and put Heydrich onto the case.
He conducted at least two, possibly three investigations and found no basis for the rumour.
The reason Himmler wanted the info is he had aspirations of being the Fuhrer himself and thought this would be useful ''dirt'' to have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt

The individual that spread the rumour to the western powers was Hans Frank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Frank
I think he was thinking he might talk his way out of the gallows, but it didn't work.


Ancestry
Hitler's father, Alois Hitler, was an illegitimate child of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. The name of Alois' father was not listed on Alois' birth certificate, and he bore his mother's surname.[6][7] In 1842 Johann Georg Hiedler married Maria, and in 1876 Johann testified before a notary and three witnesses that he was the father of Alois.[8] Despite his testimony, the question of Alois' paternity remained unresolved. For example, Hans Frank suggested the existence of letters claiming that Alois' mother was employed as a housekeeper for a Jewish family in Graz and that the family's 19-year-old son, Leopold Frankenberger, had fathered Alois.[7] No Frankenberger, Jewish or otherwise, is registered in Graz for that period.[9] This claim remained unsupported, however, and Frank himself did not believe that Hitler had Jewish ancestry.[10] The suggestion that Alois' father was Jewish was also doubted by historians in the 1990s,[11][12] and Ian Kershaw dismisses the Frankenberger story as a "smear" by Hitler's adversaries. Kershaw noted that there was no evidence for a family named Frankenberger living in Graz at the time. All Jews had been expelled from Graz under Maximilian I in the 15th century, and were not allowed to settle in Styria until the Basic Laws were passed in 1849.[9][12]

At age 39 Alois assumed the surname Hitler, also spelled as Hiedler, Hüttler, or Huettler; the name was probably regularised to its final spelling by a clerk. The origin of the name is either "one who lives in a hut" (Standard German Hütte), "shepherd" (Standard German hüten "to guard", English heed), or is from the Slavic words Hidlar and Hidlarcek.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

The reason I post all this is to try and clear this up.
For two reasons.
One, that we look like nuggets if we repeat this type of nuggetry and
Two, that besides the fact this is rubbish, it isn't really nice that the Jewish people have yet another stone cast in their direction.

[taurad]

"A little side issue ....Humanbeings are complex creatures there is potential for good and bad in all of us...By all acounts privately Adolph was a polite gentleman...

Originally he wanted to be a artist...."


Hitler was refused entry into the Academy of Arts or whatever it was called over there and was and is considered by contemporary art critics to be an artist of little talent.


"I'm trying to see if Adolph is related, you never know Vlad is..LOL"



Hitler was probably the illegitimate grandson of one of the Rothschilds:

The World War Two leaders, Roosevelt, Churchill, and Stalin, were of the bloodline and also Freemasons and Satanists. They were manipulated into office, and their country’s war effort funded, by the Rothschilds and the other Illuminati bloodlines.

So are we to believe, therefore, that although this same group provably funded Adolf Hitler’s rise to power and his war machine, that he would be the odd one out, a leader of crucial importance to the agenda who was NOT bloodline?

But hold on. Hitler couldn’t be the same bloodline as, say, the Rothschilds because, as we all know, the Rothschilds are defenders of Jewish people and Hitler slaughtered them, along with communists and gypsies and others who opposed him or he wanted to eliminate. The Rothschilds are Jewish, they’d never do that.

Oh really.

According to a book by a psychoanalyst, Walter Langer, called The Mind of Hitler, not only was Hitler supported by the Rothschilds, he WAS a Rothschild.

This revelation fits like a glove with the actions of the Rothschilds and other Illuminati bloodlines in Germany who brought Hitler to the fore as dictator of that nation. He was also supported by the British Royal Family, the House of Windsor (in truth the German House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha), and these included the British royal "war hero", Lord Mountbatten, a Rothschild and a Satanist.

Their royal relatives in Germany, who you would never have thought would normally support an apparent guy from the street like Hitler, were among his most enthusiastic supporters. But, of course, they knew who he really was. There is no way in the world when you do any study of the Illuminati obsession with bloodline that Hitler would not have been one of them.

Langer writes:
"Adolf’s father, Alois Hitler, was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. It was generally supposed that the father of Alois Hitler (Schicklgruber) was Johann Georg Hiedler. There are some people who seriously doubt that Johann Georg Hiedler was the father of Alois… (an Austrian document was) prepared that proved Maria Anna Schicklgruber was living in Vienna at the time she conceived.

At that time she was employed as a servant in the home of Baron Rothschild. As soon as the family discovered her pregnancy she was sent back home... where Alois was born."
Langer’s information came from the high level Gestapo officer, Hansjurgen Koehler, published in 1940, under the title "Inside the Gestapo". He writes about the investigations into Hitler’s background carried out by the Austrian Chancellor, Dolfuss, in the family files of Hitler.

Koehler actually viewed a copy of the Dolfuss documents which were given to him by Heydrich, the overlord of the Nazi Secret Service. The file, he wrote, "caused such havoc as no file in the world ever caused before" (Inside the Gestapo, p 143).

He also revealed that:
"..The second bundle in the blue file contained the documents collected by Dolfuss. The small statured, but big-hearted Austrian Chancellor must have known by such a personal file he might be able to check Hitler…His task was not difficult; as ruler of Austria he could easily find out about the personal data and family of Adolf Hitler, who had been born on Austrian soil...

Through the original birth certificates, police registration cards, protocols, etc., all contained in the original file, the Austrian Chancellor succeeded in piecing together the disjointed parts of the puzzle, creating a more or less logical entity.

A little servant girl… (Hitler’s grandmother)… came to Vienna and became a domestic servant, mostly working for rather rich families. But she was unlucky; having been seduced, she was about to bear a child. She went home to her village for her confinement… Where was the little maid serving in Vienna? This was not a very difficult problem.

Very early Vienna had instituted the system of compulsory police registration. Both servants and the employers were exposed to heavy fines if they neglected this duty. Chancellor Dolfuss managed to discover the registration card. The little, innocent maid had been a servant at the…Rothschild mansion. ..and Hitler’s unknown grandfather must be probably looked for in this magnificent house. The Dolfuss file stopped at this statement."
Was Hitler’s determination to take over Austria anything to do with his desire to destroy records of his lineage?

A correspondent who has extensively researched this subject writes:
"It appears to me that Hitler knew about his connection long before his Chancellorship. Like his father before him, when the going got rough, the Hitlers went to Vienna. Hitler’s father left his home village at an early age to seek his fortune in Vienna. When Hitler was orphaned, after his mother died in December of 1907, he left for Vienna not long after the funeral.

There he seemed to drop out of sight for ten months! What happened during this ten-month stay in Vienna is a complete mystery on which history sheds no light. It makes sense, now that it has become established that Hitler was a Rothschild, that he and his cousins were getting acquainted, and his potential for future family endeavors was being sized up".
The Rothschilds and the Illuminati produce many offspring out of wedlock in their secret breeding programs and these children are brought up under other names with other parents.

Like Bill Clinton, who is almost certainly a Rockefeller produced in the same way, these "ordinary kids from ordinary backgrounds" go on to be extraordinarily successful in their chosen field. Hitler, too, would have produced unofficial children to maintain his strand of the bloodline and there will obviously be people of his bloodline alive today.

So which Rothschild was the grandfather of Hitler? My thanks to a website correspondent for the additional, updated, information to this article, a man has researched this story in some detail.

Alois, Hitler’s father, was born in 1837 in the period when Salomon Mayer was the only Rothschild who lived at the Vienna mansion. Even his wife did not live there because their marriage was so bad that she stayed in Frankfurt. Their son, Anselm Salomon spent most of his working life in Paris and Frankfurt away from Vienna and his father.

Father Salomon Mayer, living alone at the Vienna mansion where Hitler’s grandmother worked, is the prime, most obvious candidate.

And Hermann von Goldschmidt, the son of Salomon Mayer’s senior clerk, wrote a book, published in 1917, which said of Salomon:
"…by the 1840s he had developed a somewhat reckless enthusiasm for young girls.."

and

"He had a lecherous passion for very young girls, his adventures with whom had to be hushed up by the police."
And Hitler’s grandmother, a young girl working under the same roof would not have been the subject of Salomon’s desire?

And this same girl became pregnant while working there? And her grandson becomes the Chancellor of Germany, funded by the Rothschilds, and he started the Second World War which was so vital to the Rothschild-Illuminati agenda? And the Illuminati are obsessed with putting their bloodlines into power on all "sides" in a conflict?

And the Rothschilds are one of their most key bloodlines? And it is all a co-incidence?

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_rothschild04.htm

In his Hitler biography, possibly the most in-depth material to date, that I own but failed to get past half-way due to the endless details, Ian Kershaw categorically disproves the Jewish blood-traces in Hitler:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=OjOBPwAACAAJ&source=gbs_book_other_versions

this is for whoever is stuck in that (somehow) insignificant detail...let me ask you this:

DOES IT REALLY MATTER???

WOULD IT BE THE FIRST TIME IN HISTORY WHEN WE SEE A DESPOT GO NUTS ON HIS PEOPLE???

EVERY DESPOT GOES NUTS ON HIS PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST LOOK AROUND

[taurad]

Thanks KTlight good thread I agree with much thats been said..As with all wars there are manylevels Governments, armies,victims and those manipulating behind the scenes....

The road to war is both simple and complex......in Dec 1941 Hitler had conquered or had influence over most of Europe and was ripping thru the Ukraine into Russia....

The last thing on Hitlers mind was peace, unless it was 10 years down the line when he was master of Europe and Soviet Russia with massive influence everywhere else...

So he could complete his fantasy of New Berlin....

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/Second_world_war_europe_1941-1942_map_en.png

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_Rs53-MPsJaI/Splv07CCWFI/AAAAAAAAODg/VkEaqqL7Q38/s400/ger-Welthauptstadt_Germania-726633.jpg

Hitler was a meglamaniac and was used by the TPTB as was Roosevelt, Churchill and the rest..As we know the game is on multi levels and we are at the bottom......But at least as we are waking up andthere is only one way to go......UP.....Steve

@ Cidersomerset

i'm curious, where did you dig this map from?

there's a country missing, Slovenia, weird, it looks like swallowed by Austria and Italy (countries that, i know this from a Slovenian close friend of mine, have always played peek-a-boo with it for centuries)!

but being able to see it officially erased from the face of earth it is very disrespectful...

it is ironically perfect for this thread we've been talking so far

also Albania + Kosovo are together...this gotta be a german map...

and seeing that white spot in the middle of europe, called SWITZERLAND, so immaculate, so innocent, so unbiased, so uninvolved!!!

what a MAJOR insult to human intelligence!!!!!!!!!

cheers

[Cidersomerset]

Your right Taurad Slovenia is not marked, The map was only to demonstrate the fact Hitler was still on the offensive in the east of Europe and North Africa and the Atlatic sea lanes...When he made his speech about Rosevelt being a warmonger...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Europe_under_Nazi_domination.png

This one has a little more detail...Still no Slovenia just realised I was looking at Slovakia....I'l have another look ..Steve

Slovenia seems to have been in a mess during ww11 with civil war and conflicting interests with Italy and Germany taking over parts of it....I think as you suggest it had been incorporated...

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Pb_eXmEyPvwC&pg=PA27&lpg=PA27&dq=What+Was+Slovenia+status+during+ww11&source=bl&ots=HxurzK2Eux&sig=Sdrg02Q0tzB1T6Cr3QFoENrSxw4&hl=en&ei=rLvPTsaKAceg8gOwqdW8AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CGYQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=What%20Was%20Slovenia%20status%20during%20ww11&f=false

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Shamen seeker for asking the question and putting forward a answer...Thanks Sid for clarifying it...Its something I heard about but not followed up....Steve.

[Lord Sidious]

Do you guys have any idea how close the soviets were to defeat in 1941?

[Cidersomerset]

Hitler for all his boasts was not a good stratagist and his ego got in the way......After his Armies initial blitzgrieg success of Autumn 41 he got sidetracked trying to capture a city on
the volga called Stalingrad instead of going straight for Moscow.....He had already delayed the Soviet invasion by invading Yugoslavia and Greece in the spring, thus also handicapping
his generals....Over confident from his earlier victories which owed more to allied incompetence than German combined arms alone....

Anyway by the time Hitler sanctioned the full assault on Moscow , several important factors had balanced the soviet responce, which untill then had been disasterous.....
General Zhuckov was put in command of the sector, He had fresh reinforcements from the siberian front with troops trained and equiped for winter warfare...
The factories that had been transferred behind the Urals began delivering the new excellent T 34 tanks in large numbers and the moscow population had time to built deffences around the city....and Mother Russia's greatest ally of them all 'General Frost' deployed mud and snow to cripple the ill clothed German soldiers , who were by now bogged down and suffering frost bite .fatigue and weapon failures due to cold.....

The war was on won and lost on the eastern front, If Hitler had struck in the spring and went straight to Moscow things could have been very differrent.....
This is a brief description there are many accounts you can read.......Steve

[Lord Sidious]

Hitler for all his boasts was not a good stratagist and his ego got in the way......After his Armies initial blitzgrieg success of Autumn 41 he got sidetracked trying to capture a city on
the volga called Stalingrad instead of going straight for Moscow.....He had already delayed the Soviet invasion by invading Yugoslavia and Greece in the spring, thus also handicapping
his generals....Over confident from his earlier victories which owed more to allied incompetence than German combined arms alone....

Anyway by the time Hitler sanctioned the full assault on Moscow , several important factors had balanced the soviet responce, which untill then had been disasterous.....
General Zhuckov was put in command of the sector, He had fresh reinforcements from the siberian front with troops trained and equiped for winter warfare...
The factories that had been transferred behind the Urals began delivering the new excellent T 34 tanks in large numbers and the moscow population had time to built deffences around the city....and Mother Russia's greatest ally of them all 'General Frost' deployed mud and snow to cripple the ill clothed German soldiers , who were by now bogged down and suffering frost bite .fatigue and weapon failures due to cold.....

The war was on won and lost on the eastern front, If Hitler had struck in the spring and went straight to Moscow things could have been very differrent.....
This is a brief description there are many accounts you can read.......Steve

Actually, no.
He was known earlier on in the war as Grofaz, google it.
The reasons France fell so quickly are several, poor strategy and tactics by the French and British, poor weaponry and poor leadership.
SS Panzer Division Das Reich had part of their recon regiment in the outer suburbs of Moscow and could see the spires of St Basils Cathedral, which as you may know, is right near the Kremlin.
You are correct about Stalingrad. The reason it fell is that the soviets not only had more troops, they attacked a weak sector in the axis defense lines.
Yugoslavia and Greece were necessary as the king of Yugoslavia that was deposed had signed a treaty with the Reich and so now they had to respond and, like Greece, they couldn't have potential enemies so close to what would become the southern edges of army group south.

[Cidersomerset]

Very good, No doubt the little Corporal was brave, as from his injuries in WW1 , but no general can fool his men for long...

I watched Stalingrad the other night and it brings home the futility of war and the ferocity of the Russian front in winter.....

ilB2ukvXXfc

This is a scene showing the Russian breaktrough of the ill prepaired Italian lines on the Don.

yYSOC-mUjWc

Your right the Russian breakthrough was against Romanian and Italian divisions who were woefully ill prepaired for the conditions and were no match for the Rejuvinated Soviets....

I understand why Hitler secured his southern flank , but there was no need imho as niether Yugoslavia or Greece were in a position to attack the the Germans, unless the British could send troops from africa and they were not in a position to do so. The few they did send were to late and to few in responce to the German invasion and were chaotically evacuted again to Crete and North Africa....

[shamanseeker]

That ''story'' has no basis in reality.
How do I know?
Because I researched this in depth.
There was this guy called Reinhard Heydrich, who had a card filing system on everyone of interest in Germany.
After the NSDAP took power, he eventually became head of the RSHA, the central security office.
Reichsfuhrer SS Himmler, being his boss, heard these rumours about Hitler having Jewish blood and put Heydrich onto the case.
He conducted at least two, possibly three investigations and found no basis for the rumour.
The reason Himmler wanted the info is he had aspirations of being the Fuhrer himself and thought this would be useful ''dirt'' to have.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Heydrich
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS-Reichssicherheitshauptamt

The individual that spread the rumour to the western powers was Hans Frank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Frank
I think he was thinking he might talk his way out of the gallows, but it didn't work.


Ancestry
Hitler's father, Alois Hitler, was an illegitimate child of Maria Anna Schicklgruber. The name of Alois' father was not listed on Alois' birth certificate, and he bore his mother's surname.[6][7] In 1842 Johann Georg Hiedler married Maria, and in 1876 Johann testified before a notary and three witnesses that he was the father of Alois.[8] Despite his testimony, the question of Alois' paternity remained unresolved. For example, Hans Frank suggested the existence of letters claiming that Alois' mother was employed as a housekeeper for a Jewish family in Graz and that the family's 19-year-old son, Leopold Frankenberger, had fathered Alois.[7] No Frankenberger, Jewish or otherwise, is registered in Graz for that period.[9] This claim remained unsupported, however, and Frank himself did not believe that Hitler had Jewish ancestry.[10] The suggestion that Alois' father was Jewish was also doubted by historians in the 1990s,[11][12] and Ian Kershaw dismisses the Frankenberger story as a "smear" by Hitler's adversaries. Kershaw noted that there was no evidence for a family named Frankenberger living in Graz at the time. All Jews had been expelled from Graz under Maximilian I in the 15th century, and were not allowed to settle in Styria until the Basic Laws were passed in 1849.[9][12]

At age 39 Alois assumed the surname Hitler, also spelled as Hiedler, Hüttler, or Huettler; the name was probably regularised to its final spelling by a clerk. The origin of the name is either "one who lives in a hut" (Standard German Hütte), "shepherd" (Standard German hüten "to guard", English heed), or is from the Slavic words Hidlar and Hidlarcek.[13]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler

The reason I post all this is to try and clear this up.
For two reasons.
One, that we look like nuggets if we repeat this type of nuggetry and
Two, that besides the fact this is rubbish, it isn't really nice that the Jewish people have yet another stone cast in their direction.


Thank you Lord Sid for clearing that up. I apologize to the Jewish people.

[Lord Sidious]

Very good, No doubt the little Corporal was brave, as from his injuries in WW1 , but no general can fool his men for long...

I watched Stalingrad the other night and it brings home the futility of war and the ferocity of the Russian front in winter.....

ilB2ukvXXfc

Your right the Russian breakthrough was against Romanian and Italian divisions who were woefully ill prepaired for the conditions and were no match for the Rejuvinated Soviets....

I understand why Hitler secured his southern flank , but there was no need imho as niether Yugoslavia or Greece were in a position to attack the the Germans, unless the British could send troops from africa and they were not in a position to do so. The few they did send were to late and to few in responce to the German invasion and were chaotically evacuted again to Crete and North Africa....

One of the rules is never advance without securing your flanks.
If you do, you might regret it later.




Thank you Lord Sid for clearing that up. I apologize to the Jewish people.

I doubt that they would feel you need to apologise.
Many things out there are not what they seem.
I have had access to info others have not, so I have an advantage.
Who would have thought I would defending the jewish people in this manner? :cool:

[taurad]

Do you guys have any idea how close the soviets were to defeat in 1941?

Lord Sidious, according to Joseph Farrell, the Red Army was so upset, Stalin's head was about to get served in a plate very soon at the Party meeting...that's the reason Stalin initiated the peace treaty with Hitler (we've been taught the other way around)...very weird, unseen before mind-blowing machinery has been witnesed by locals, being operated by small german units against massive russian troops...

and suddenly, this all becomes inefficient, the war is rushed to a defeat, opperation High-Jump witnesed untill '49, operation Paper-Clip, both sides of the planet develop space programs, while Germany gets fully rebuilt at it's finnest, only 20 yrs after the "War-of-Wars"...and then in the '90 germany invents EU!!!!

the war wasn't lost

[Lord Sidious]

Do you guys have any idea how close the soviets were to defeat in 1941?

Lord Sidious, according to Joseph Farrell, the Red Army was so upset, Stalin's head was about to get served in a plate very soon at the Party meeting...that's the reason Stalin initiated the peace treaty with Hitler (we've been taught the other way around)...very weird, unseen before mind-blowing machinery has been witnesed by locals, being operated by small german units against massive russian troops...

and suddenly, this all becomes inefficient, the war is rushed to a defeat, opperation High-Jump witnesed untill '49, operation Paper-Clip, both sides of the planet develop space programs, while Germany gets fully rebuilt at it's finnest, only 20 yrs after the "War-of-Wars"...and then in the '90 germany invents EU!!!!

the war wasn't lost

What treaty do you mean?
The Molotov-Ribbentrop non agression pact?
And I am not sure about the stalin in big trouble bit, is that a reference to the purge of military officers?

[Cidersomerset]

I agree about the flank in principal, just the potential enemy was in no position to do it, especially at the expence of the time needed to attack a country as vast as Russia ,

Ask Napoleon and Peter the Great of Sweden about 'Gen Frost'..... To interfere with the invasion , which neither Yugoslavia or Greece had the planes or Tanks

or transport to do , they would of had to attack Hungary Rumania or Bulgaria all of whom could hold their own especially with German support....

This was a critical error in generalship....More one of empire building....The oppertunity arose in Yugoslavia for NAZI intervention and they took it.....

Hitler should have delayed his attack on Russia untill the spring of 1942. He still had a non agression pact with Stalin and was being supplied with raw materials...He should have sent Rommel to the Italian assistance with a proper sized army say up to 10 divisions that would have conquered North Africa and secured the middle east oilfields. Still without declaring war on the US or Soviets.....

Britain would have had to sue for peace , unless Roosevelt was able to persuade the US to join the war without a Pearl Harbour. Which would have been difficult ,so the whole war may have taken a different turn.,,,,,

[Lord Sidious]

I agree about the flank in principal, just the potential enemy was in no position to do it, especially at the expence of the time needed to attack a country as vast as Russia ,

Ask Napoleon and Peter the Great of Sweden about 'Gen Frost'..... To interfere with the invasion , which neither Yugoslavia or Greece had the planes or Tanks

or transport to do , they would of had to attack Hungary Rumania or Bulgaria all of whom could hold their own especially with German support....

Was a critical error in generalship....More one of empire building....

I think the thing to consider is that those territories could have been used as bases.
Much like the Anzio landings.

[Cidersomerset]

Yes Hind sight is a wonderfull thing , lucky for us he did what he did....Though at the price of millions of deaths......This is where my military history hat switches

to the behind the scenes conspircy side on here , The possibilty of the Annunaki ect....Thats whats intrigueing for me.....

[Lord Sidious]

Yes Hind sight is a wonderfull thing , lucky for us he did what he did....Though at the price of millions of deaths......This is where my military history hat switches

to the behind the scenes conspircy side on here , The possibilty of the Annunaki ect....Thats whats intrigueing for me.....

He had his role to play in the show, just like the others.

[taurad]

Do you guys have any idea how close the soviets were to defeat in 1941?

Lord Sidious, according to Joseph Farrell, the Red Army was so upset, Stalin's head was about to get served in a plate very soon at the Party meeting...that's the reason Stalin initiated the peace treaty with Hitler (we've been taught the other way around)...very weird, unseen before mind-blowing machinery has been witnesed by locals, being operated by small german units against massive russian troops...

and suddenly, this all becomes inefficient, the war is rushed to a defeat, opperation High-Jump witnesed untill '49, operation Paper-Clip, both sides of the planet develop space programs, while Germany gets fully rebuilt at it's finnest, only 20 yrs after the "War-of-Wars"...and then in the '90 germany invents EU!!!!

the war wasn't lost

What treaty do you mean?
The Molotov-Ribbentrop non agression pact?
And I am not sure about the stalin in big trouble bit, is that a reference to the purge of military officers?


Yes Hind sight is a wonderfull thing , lucky for us he did what he did....Though at the price of millions of deaths......This is where my military history hat switches

to the behind the scenes conspircy side on here , The possibilty of the Annunaki ect....Thats whats intrigueing for me.....

again, all these theories make sense within the linear story they taught us in school...chances are very little happened the way is described...we cannot even get a real prospective on the current Afghani and Iraqi wars, with tons of mainstream and local/amateur footage...imagine a war, 80 yrs ago, all you see is some parades, narrated over the rest of the action...only recently you see some rare footage...the veterans have been silenced by a veil of war-syndrome/ridicule, many have already passed away, or cannot recall much anymore...

I still don't know what started the whole germanization of the world, motives and methods...

i remember visiting my parents in France on a D-day once, and they happened to interview a WWI and WWII french veterans on TV, it was an out-doors festivity, they did not preselect the interviewees, just randomly passing the mike around...so this fella, looked in his mid 90s, started protesting about the allies still bombarding german-already-liberated-french-villages!!! they had to remove the mike from him, cannot recall the exact words of ridicule addressed at that poor old chap...

anyways, summing it up:

http://projectcamelot.org/joseph_farrell.html

i've always felt, if this is a honest research, it could be the best answer to my questions...

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

Just remember, when you talk to me about the Reich, I had access to info you don't/didn't.
I had access to both sides claims.

[CeltMan]

I heard an interesting comment last week.

"The Americans have been constantly accused of entering WW2 , two years late. ..But to be fair to them, they have made up for that, by being the First to enter Every war - Since then..........by Starting Every War since WW2!"

Seriously though, as most informed people now know, wars down the centuries have been started for financial gain, by 'The Powers That Were'.
Sadly, very few countries are exempt from their maschinations for gain in this respect.

And war should be considered for what it trully is: Obscene, Peverse, Unacceptable, and only serving to line the pockets of the Puppet Masters'

[taurad]

I heard an interesting comment last week.

"The Americans have been constantly accused of entering WW2 , two years late. ..But to be fair to them, they have made up for that, by being the First to enter Every war - Since then..........by Starting Every War since WW2!"

Seriously though, as most informed people now know, wars down the centuries have been started for financial gain, by 'The Powers That Were'.
Sadly, very few countries are exempt from their maschinations for gain in this respect.

And war should be considered for what it trully is: Obscene, Peverse, Unacceptable, and only serving to line the pockets of the Puppet Masters'

wow, that's really said, so many wrongs with this claim...

and i forget we're stuck at humanity versions 0.8

a lot of people keep saying we're long due for a software/hardware update/upgrade from 1.1 to humanity 2.0

we're still at beta version my friends...


Just remember, when you talk to me about the Reich, I had access to info you don't/didn't.
I had access to both sides claims.

elaborate please, i'm all ears, come on SID, spill the beans

:gossip:
:pop2:

[Lord Sidious]

Obviously you haven't seen my other posts then Taurad.
I used to bat for their team, I had access to info and books that aren't in mainstream circulation.
Plus, I could talk to various people here and there.

[taurad]

I used to bat for their team.

did you ever do a home-run for them thou?!

i'd like to read that post!

cheers

[Lord Sidious]

I used to bat for their team.

did you ever do a home-run for them thou?!

i'd like to read that post!

cheers

Never got called to the plate.
And for that, I am thankful.

[1derer]

If one were to read a book written by Mark Mazower, Fascism, Socialism or Democracy could have been the mainstay in Europe. If we look at the inclination towards nationalism in Europe today, we can see that which Mark proposed, may have substance........

The point behind all this as I now perceive is that it is all propoganda for the hearts and minds of the sheeple.

Whatever choice words one may use, is is not the politicians placed in front of the sheeple that are all powerful, neigh, it is those behind the veil that harness true power and influence, ergo all that we see, read and are taught is based on this construct.

From there, Dear Reader, play on........

http://www.mazower.com/books/dark.html

[taurad]

if Joseph Farrell is correct, it was all about technology...and while the lab is "busy", the propaganda machine gets itself busy with other sub-plots as cleansing Germany and Europe from this and that, open wars, some for smoke effect, some for land, industry needs to expand, factories makes sense close to the metal ores, etc. etc, and one day the lab geeks tell the Party, the V2 and Die Glocke (and whatever else) are already tested, now it's time to split up in different projects, in different continents, as science always works, with the mother lab in the "fatherland"...

i don't find this far-fetched at all

i hope we all agree, (at least) this planet we all know, drools for tech...governments will do anything, anything for a little piece...

that's what rules here, nothing else...

[Lord Sidious]

if Joseph Farrell is correct, it was all about technology...and while the lab is "busy", the propaganda machine gets itself busy with other sub-plots as cleansing Germany and Europe from this and that, open wars, some for smoke effect, some for land, industry needs to expand, factories makes sense close to the metal ores, etc. etc, and one day the lab geeks tell the Party, the V2 and Die Glocke (and whatever else) are already tested, now it's time to split up in different projects, in different continents, as science always works, with the mother lab in the "fatherland"...

i don't find this far-fetched at all

i hope we all agree, (at least) this planet we all know, drools for tech...governments will do anything, anything for a little piece...

that's what rules here, nothing else...

I am not sure that the NSDAP would willingly split up and move all over.
One thing I am sure about is that they would not co operate with the allies at all, unless as a subterfuge.

[taurad]

I heard an interesting comment last week.

"The Americans have been constantly accused of entering WW2 , two years late. ..But to be fair to them, they have made up for that, by being the First to enter Every war - Since then..........by Starting Every War since WW2!"

Seriously though, as most informed people now know, wars down the centuries have been started for financial gain, by 'The Powers That Were'.
Sadly, very few countries are exempt from their maschinations for gain in this respect.

And war should be considered for what it trully is: Obscene, Peverse, Unacceptable, and only serving to line the pockets of the Puppet Masters'


Just remember, when you talk to me about the Reich, I had access to info you don't/didn't.
I had access to both sides claims.



if Joseph Farrell is correct, it was all about technology...and while the lab is "busy", the propaganda machine gets itself busy with other sub-plots as cleansing Germany and Europe from this and that, open wars, some for smoke effect, some for land, industry needs to expand, factories makes sense close to the metal ores, etc. etc, and one day the lab geeks tell the Party, the V2 and Die Glocke (and whatever else) are already tested, now it's time to split up in different projects, in different continents, as science always works, with the mother lab in the "fatherland"...

i don't find this far-fetched at all

i hope we all agree, (at least) this planet we all know, drools for tech...governments will do anything, anything for a little piece...

that's what rules here, nothing else...

I am not sure that the NSDAP would willingly split up and move all over.
One thing I am sure about is that they would not co operate with the allies at all, unless as a subterfuge.

on paper NSDAP fits your description...
but what if NSDAP doesn't run the show, just takes care of the main stage, the footwork; off stage, behind the curtains we have the ceo/board of directors of the Reich corporation...
they are working on smth, the allies have already nuclear from early 1920s, so they gotta have smth above it...

who says cooperate with allies?!...
that's why they were attacking the Reich...
they desperately wanted to capture the corporation, they've heard of it by know (the Hitler's radio-transmission to space in 1934 or 36 being the most public), so they could make it a multi-national one, so they become co-owners of the best tech and split the profits profit...

the Reich keeps silent what's working on, the allies are getting obsessed with it, impatient...

the Reich realizes the only way to be left alone working peacefully, is the PACT, end of the war, the allies get space program, get also to rebuild EUROPE, hence the marshal plan...

the Reich disappears *"somewhere"*...

[Lord Sidious]

Well, that somewhere is multiple somewheres.
Most of them you are better off not going there.
Those who have and got too close were ''told'' they should leave.
Argentina, Peru, those two I would not go looking around too much.
Neuschwabenland I would suggest you forget, that would not be good.
Then you have three more likely locations.
America.
Britain.
Germany.
I agree with the rest of what you say.
The NSDAP was the public face for several groups, the Vril Society and the Thule Society.

[taurad]

I heard an interesting comment last week.

"The Americans have been constantly accused of entering WW2 , two years late. ..But to be fair to them, they have made up for that, by being the First to enter Every war - Since then..........by Starting Every War since WW2!"

Seriously though, as most informed people now know, wars down the centuries have been started for financial gain, by 'The Powers That Were'.
Sadly, very few countries are exempt from their maschinations for gain in this respect.

And war should be considered for what it trully is: Obscene, Peverse, Unacceptable, and only serving to line the pockets of the Puppet Masters'


Just remember, when you talk to me about the Reich, I had access to info you don't/didn't.
I had access to both sides claims.


Well, that somewhere is multiple somewheres.
Most of them you are better off not going there.
Those who have and got too close were ''told'' they should leave.
Argentina, Peru, those two I would not go looking around too much.
Neuschwabenland I would suggest you forget, that would not be good.
Then you have three more likely locations.
America.
Britain.
Germany.
I agree with the rest of what you say.
The NSDAP was the public face for several groups, the Vril Society and the Thule Society.

good, i think we're on a good start here...now, let's start talking, we've barely had so far

;)