The Anglo-Saxon Mission

[Bill Ryan]

An opportunity to discuss the video of The Anglo-Saxon Mission: Illuminati plans for the Third World War and the purging of the world's population - prior to "The Dawn of a New Day" and the real, envisaged "New World" Order.

http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html

[Majorion]

Hi Bill,

Firstly, I want to point out that your entire Anglo-Saxon Mission subject matter coverage was extremely professional, everything from the video commentary and the production, and even the majority of questions you asked this man as part of the transcript were very thoughtful questions, I believe.

But, may I ask that you consider the following nothing more than a personal opinion on my part, and take it no more than that -- its a personal opinion, in which I'll also pose a few questions on my mind, and you may or may not have the time or even the inclination to answer, but I'd hope you do find time to read it, at least. So here goes.

Many people have always wondered about the "vetting" process for "whistleblowers" as part of the platform(s) that is Camelot/Avalon, and how, essentially, you and/or Kerry (I'm not asking you both, just yourself really) how you establish that the people relaying such information as this; on a wide variety of topics at that, are actually telling the truth? - it seems a silly question because the answer is somewhat obvious, in fact, and if I were in your place being asked this question, I'd probably say: "nobody can be 100% absolute about the validity of anyone's testimony, especially in a field known to be riddled with disinformants and disinformation, we listen to what people have to say, and then we can all come to our own conclusions based on our own intuition and independent investigative efforts, if even some of the information is valid, then its important to get it out in every way possible".

Its a presumption that you'd probably state something along those lines, but then again its just a presumption, and I could easily be mistaken, I'm sure you'd also have something else to add to that I missed.

Re: the vetting process and whistleblowers. What I have noted with regards to the majority of PC whistleblowers, and this is not meant as criticism, but, its one thing if a person claimed to be an insider of some organization or another, and offered testimony accordingly and very specifically on whatever it is they directly witnessed as part of their "inside" experiences. For example, the 9/11 witness you interviewed a while back, the woman in the Military, who gave a detailed account of one event, a 9/11 witness talking only about what she thought happened on 9/11 with the whole Pentagon issue, and nothing else. Yet, many of the others, don't seem to have a limit to testifying on any topic, be it UFOs, 2012, secret societies, abductions, solar system, "NWO", stargates, time travel, mind control, and so on. It would be easier to accept that maybe a few of these people really do have a lot of knowledge on these subjects, but most of it has nothing to do with any inside information, they just did their research, and eventually found a suitable platform to share it.

Let me share you with a relevant story. I know an individual, a very good friend, he used to work at the White Sands Missile Test Range many years ago, then later he was part of the Strategic Defense Initiative per the Reagan era. He worked and was involved in a number of black projects, most of which he is not at liberty to discuss with me, even till this day. He is one of a number of individuals I've met with some significant inside background in defense or intelligence, but I asked him recently, about the whole Anglo Saxon Mission, sent him a link to the original transcript, and I asked him; "what do you think" -- later he replied that the person who relayed this information, was most certainly an operative, but he felt the whole story was very clever disinformation, meant to appeal to Disclosure-oriented crowds, much like everything in the alternative communities are meant to appeal to sectors (and I'm quoting him now): Alex Jones is one sector, C2C is another, PC is another, Disclosure Project is another, Ground Zero, Red Ice, Rense, Enterprise Mission, and so on and on. The point is that when the truth-communities are segmented and divided in such a way, it works much like compartmentalization (with regards to secrecy), and inhibits unification. Anyway its not my place to say, but thought it were important to emphasize, because its certainly an intelligent (and factual) observation.

You may be wondering at this point: "well what makes this whistleblower/insider any more credible than anyone else?" - my answer would be that I don't, consider anyone more credible than the other. I often find myself skeptical 90% of the time while listening to these "stories" from these kinds of people, I know they (all of them) have a vested interests in telling us lies, but not without "some" truth to make it all believable. My question on this, is if you find yourself just as skeptical as well, and keeping in mind that the term "whistleblower" and "witness" actually mean very different things. Or so I believe, personally.

In my opinion, whistleblowers are people who've had some insider experience, and years later when/if they decide to blow the whistle, they tell a lot of stories, a bit of truth, but some lies and spinning the truth (as Hoagland stated so emphatically in his interview). Remember that I'm describing a good friend here, whose opinion I value deeply, and knowledge I consider; quite overwhelming. But the truth is, these people are absolutely lying to us about certain things, I imagine the degree to which each one lies is varied and dependent on how honest a personality they come. Yet it remains the case with most or all of them. And so, do you consider the Anglo Saxon whistleblower 100% honest, especially with regards the testimony itself, and if so, why? - in other words, and with respect if I may ask, how do you vet the witness? is it that you try to establish they are who they claim to be and work for? and if that is confirmed, then what comes next?

My last question is, and I would just like to know your opinion on this, about what I said earlier, how they will talk about "everything"? - the Anglo Saxon insider was no exception, he talked about alien contacts, 2012 or a related cataclysm (notice he specifically mentioned that the "new age" is not 2012, but later), biological warfare, secret societies, and even spiritual oriented matters. And I read a second transcript of further information on even more topics, released recently on Camelot Productions, if I'm not mistaken.

Bill, I would hope that you could give if just a very brief answer, you don't have to quote me question-for-question or anything like that, in fact you don't even have to answer my post, but its always interesting to hear what you have to say and I value your opinion very much. I can't help feeling that maybe I've said something that came off a bit condescending or of that nature, but let me assure you that I have the utmost respect for you and your work, and would never intend to come off that way, Text not being clear as we would intend sometimes. Thank you for everything you do, and the new forum is superb; the staff is to be commended.

Kind regards,,

[K626]

The real behind the scenes battle that is raging is between the old Hapsburg Bavarian school/old european money and the Scottish Rite. Everything else is pawns.

[Kra]

The real behind the scenes battle that is raging is between the old Hapsburg Bavarian school/old european money and the Scottish Rite. Everything else is pawns.

You seem to be 100% sure. :)

[K626]

You seem to be 100% sure. :)

Yes.

Peace

K

[blue777]

quote:
Many people have always wondered about the "vetting" process for "whistleblowers"
There is no concrete way to discern if a person is telling the truth or telling lies.....there is always a reason behind it.......and if the reason is positive then they are telling the truth....also we can all come to our own conclusions based on our own intuition and independent investigative efforts, which I agree with, therefore,"How do we know and discern that everyone on this forum is actually a positive person?". and not hiding their true reason for being on here..can you answer that Majorian please or anyone else.
lol
blue

[K626]

quote:
Many people have always wondered about the "vetting" process for "whistleblowers"
There is no cocrete way to discern if a person is telling the truth or telling lies.....there is always a reason behind it.......and if the reason is positive then they are telling the truth....also we can all come to our own conclusions based on our own intuition and independent investigative efforts, which I agree with, therefore,"How do we know and discern that everyone on this forum is actually a positive person?". and not hiding their true reason for being on here..can you answer that Majorian please or anyone else.
lol
blue

With this video it is a simle case of Bill going with his instinct and getting what 'might' be important information out. He is a good soul no doubt...But he also must be careful.....

[K626]

One clear example where the curtain breaks is if you look at why Bear Sterns and Lehmann brothers were allowed to fall and AiG and Goldman Sachs consolidate. Bear and Lehmann had massive tranches of old European money in hedge funds...Goldman is Scottish Rite (Skull and Bones). Look at these things and see where the money goes....

[blue777]

With this video it is a simle case of Bill going with his instinct and getting what 'might' be important information out. He is a good soul no doubt...But he also must be careful.....

yes i agree with you, intuition plays a big part in these things..also chivalry , justice , compasion and Love
lol

[K626]

yes i agree with you, intuition plays a big part in these things..also chivalry , justice , compasion and Love
lol

Indeed my friend.

[samvado]

I have read / listened to it, even the original version that was pulled, hours after it came out.
I have sent links to friends.
Its not that I disregard it BUT (there had to be a but ..) the guys who are planing this control whatever resources they need for a long time now. This scenario could have gone off any time almost within the last 30 or so years, yet it hasn't. Whistleblowers tell convincing stories about UFOs disabling nuclear silos and targeting computers. World war III was apparently averted a few times with the help of STO ETs. What has changed? If anything more people are aware today of the scams going on, not the least because of that abysimal blunder 9/11 (WTC7 etc.).

If consciousness as a whole (like in morphogenetic fields) plays any role in the outcome there is only a much smaller chance today that anything like the Anglo-Saxon plan can come to fruitition. I mean, I sleep well ...

[K626]

I have read / listened to it, even the original version that was pulled, hours after it came out.
I have sent links to friends.
Its not that I disregard it BUT (there had to be a but ..) the guys who are planing this control whatever resources they need for a long time now. This scenario could have gone off any time almost within the last 30 or so years, yet it hasn't. Whistleblowers tell convincing stories about UFOs disabling nuclear silos and targeting computers. World war III was apparently averted a few times with the help of STO ETs. What has changed? If anything more people are aware today of the scams going on, not the least because of that abysimal blunder 9/11 (WTC7 etc.).

If consciousness as a whole (like in morphogenetic fields) plays any role in the outcome there is only a much smaller chance today that anything like the Anglo-Saxon plan can come to fruitition. I mean, I sleep well ...

Generally agree with that analysis and I also see errors in the content (whether puposeful or just lack of data).

If it was 2005 and that level of meeting it would have been Temple Bar Lodge or one connected to that in The Houses of Parliament which means Tony Blair would have been in the meeting, not mentioning the attendance of this level of infuence casts some more doubts...Also the mis-held notion that all the Masons are working together on a generally agreed formula is also COMPLETELY WRONG.

[lightpotential]

Generally agree with that analysis and I also see errors in the content (whether puposeful or just lack of data).

If it was 2005 and that level of meeting it would have been Temple Bar Lodge or one connected to that in The Houses of Parliament which means Tony Blair would have been in the meeting, not mentioning the attendance of this level of infuence casts some more doubts...Also the mis-held notion that all the Masons are working together on a generally agreed formula is also COMPLETELY WRONG.

I think you raise an important point here. I would very much like to hear this particular whistleblower name some names. At least a few as to who attended this meeting. I think that not giving any names whatsoever is quite unhelpful. Although, it may be that the individual in question is choosing not to name names because he already knows that they know who he is. And he is seeking to at least not get himself into too much trouble.

LP

[ArtyCarl]

I have great sympathy for anyone trying to vet a potential whistleblower, it must be a terrific inner struggle between wanting to believe you have another piece of the puzzle and the wariness of putting too much credibility in someone with the potential to be exposed at a later date. I am sure there must be reasonably simple checks you can make to start with and instinct must play a part for sure.

When I watch a video I am constantly asking myself if the interviewee is credible, I am naturally suspicious so firstly they have to get through my inbuilt BS detector lol.

[Northern Boy]

Interesting plan .... But lets See if we CAN POKE HOLES IN IT

1) In order for a strike to occur against Iran it must have clearance form the UN Security Council any who block it /Russia/ China means it doesn`t happen. Unanimous consent is required .

This means Israel acts alone with covert assistance from The U.S. hence Cliff `s talk of the Israeli mistake and them receiving world wide condemnation because of it . They then must face the world and China and Russian retaliation if it occurs

2)Nuclear war and biological war is unfathomable and to say the least unpredictable and uncontrollable the genetic chance of mutation and survival of their biological weapons release during a nuclear war could make things unliveable on the surface hence they would be stuck underground in their tombs and perish in them

3) Why make the planet uninhabitable for generations because of an all out nuclear war if the geophysical event is going to do the job for you? why take the chance of exponentially compounding the situation ? They have no knowledge of what or how the event and the nuclear radiation will interact

4) China is too smart to be drawn into this they will use their minds to find away to come out smelling like roses and step into the eyes of the world as a super power and world leader . They have the money they have the workforce and the intelligence to prevent this from happening . Wall street has tried to sucker them for years China has been playing nice buying the toxic assets but they need the U.S. as much as the U.S. needs China why . America is China`s biggest market why destroy that which you need . If Wall street really wanted to crush China all the would have to do is bring all the manufacturing jobs back home But it was cost that drove the jobs away from America in the first place cost and industrial regulations


Just a few observations

[Burke]

I have a question regarding this witness because as it kind of threw me when I read the follow up on Kerry's site concerning the Alhoo and his in-depth analysis with regards to ancient history and our origins. While I realize I may be misunderstanding the amount of data he has to share (or cant share) he seemed to me at first to be someone who claims that this information isn't earth shattering and simply stuff he heard while attending these meetings for a period of time. Yet in the follow up the very nature of the information itself makes a huge leap in importance and relevance up to and including ancient ET races that had inhabited our planet before etc..these Alhoo.

My question is:

is the follow up information his own conjecture and/or a product of his own research or does this information come from the same source as the info in the meetings he attended?

Thanks

edit to rephrase: it isn't that I don't see the video content as "important and relevant" as could be surmised by my above statement. (sorry for that =/) I am merely pointing out the difference in the depth of understanding of human origin and background info etc etc when you compare the two pieces, your's and Kerry's follow up. I just feel like something is missing on who this guy is and what access he has to very important info and was hoping for some clarification that doesn't breach anyone's confidence that I may have missed stated elsewhere. Wondering where he picked up the ancient history stuff as he has stated that most of the meeting didn't go into this kind of depth as everyone acted as if much of the info being discussed was already common knowledge and had more do to with facilitating and implementing these plans.

[K626]

I have a question regarding this witness because as it kind of threw me when I read the follow up on Kerry's site concerning the Alhoo and his in-depth analysis with regards to ancient history and our origins. While I realize I may be misunderstanding the amount of data he has to share (or cant share) he seemed to me at first to be someone who claims that this information isn't earth shattering and simply stuff he heard while attending these meetings for a period of time. Yet in the follow up the very nature of the information itself makes a huge leap in importance and relevance up to and including ancient ET races that had inhabited our planet before etc..these Alhoo.

My question is:

is the follow up information his own conjecture and/or a product of his own research or does this information come from the same source as the info in the meetings he attended?

Thanks

edit to rephrase: it isn't that I don't see the video content as "important and relevant" as could be surmised by my above statement. (sorry for that =/) I am merely pointing out the difference in the depth of understanding of human origin and background info etc etc when you compare the two pieces, your's and Kerry's follow up. I just feel like something is missing on who this guy is and what access he has to very important info and was hoping for some clarification that doesn't breach anyone's confidence that I may have missed stated elsewhere. Wondering where he picked up the ancient history stuff as he has stated that most of the meeting didn't go into this kind of depth as everyone acted as if much of the info being discussed was already common knowledge and had more do to with facilitating and implementing these plans.

Same here, there is a degree of credibility about the basic info, but personally once I find people going into human/et origin stuff it should be labelled as conjecture.

[Terra]

After intially watching the first vid, prior to it dissappearing I felt wow...this is HUGE! But like so many of you, it seems after reading your posts, it started playing on my mind. The info just doesnt stack up, well not yet anyway. If there's one thing in life I have learnt trust your gut instinct, and this just hasn't had that buzz for me at least. Its a few weeks since I watched it and I would have to watch it again to poke holes in it ...so for me I will just leave it on the back burners and hope that people are just plain better than this, I mean it is wicked...truely. To go all out nuclear, I think the white hats would certainly win here.

[Burke]

funny thing is, i buy the video portion with no problem. I have read numerous articles and testimonies in which they had tried to start nuclear wars, so it fits the mold perfectly as far as these guys are concerned, the sequence of events he describes seems like it is in the normal parameters

I just want to know where he got the follow up info from on the background article on Kerry's site as that stuff has a more interrelated effect of my studies and if he got this from Government then I think that is rather groundbreaking

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

I just want to know where he got the follow up info from on the background article on Kerry's site as that stuff has a more interrelated effect of my studies and if he got this from Government then I think that is rather groundbreaking
what is the follow up info you speak of? the information in the interveiw is standard and jsut confirms all the stuff of the classic conspiracy minus flase flag et invasion.

[PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH]

I just want to know where he got the follow up info from on the background article on Kerry's site as that stuff has a more interrelated effect of my studies and if he got this from Government then I think that is rather groundbreaking
what is the follow up info you speak of? the information in the interveiw is standard and jsut confirms all the stuff of the classic conspiracy minus flase flag et invasion.

[irishspirit]

Bill, excellent work my friend. I thought that was a brilliant presentation by your good self. If this is true and we end up on this time line, I pitty us all. However, I cannot understand how this man managed to "just be there" when this meeting was going on. Do you think that maybe the Powers That Be have implanted false info into this man knowning it would hit the public arena whilst they work their real plan in the background with the knowledge that everyone is talking about this Anglo Saxon Mission?

[Burke]

what is the follow up info you speak of? the information in the interveiw is standard and jsut confirms all the stuff of the classic conspiracy minus flase flag et invasion.

The Anglo Saxon Mission - The Timeline - Letter from a Whistleblower...
http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/anglo-saxon-mission/anglo-saxon-mission.html

[Rocky_Shorz]

funny thing is, i buy the video portion with no problem. I have read numerous articles and testimonies in which they had tried to start nuclear wars, so it fits the mold perfectly as far as these guys are concerned, the sequence of events he describes seems like it is in the normal parameters

I just want to know where he got the follow up info from on the background article on Kerry's site as that stuff has a more interrelated effect of my studies and if he got this from Government then I think that is rather groundbreaking

In this one letter it has many unexplained twists...

in the Military he saw spacecraft operated by friendlies...


These were young males and females, wearing some sort of uniform, but not the same uniforms as the pilots. They (I think?) wore blue coveralls, making what were clearly goodbyes to others (families?) who were present with them. This ‘goodbye’ scene was actually quite emotional albeit quite surreal. The middle aged pilot mentioned they were going up for spell. He pointed upwards with a finger as he said this. I was then given what I can only describe as an instant telepathic vision that I knew must have come from him. This was a vivid description of the interior of a circular vehicle with the same people, the ones in the room making their goodbyes, sat inside the craft and whishing up through the atmosphere to dock with a massive structure in space - still with the earth in full view. In this structure I briefly saw what I know to be Greys glancing at us and then completely ignoring us...


Then he goes into the over government is going to start the war because they control everything going on in the world and want to wipe out 1/2 of the population...


In late 2005 I attended what I thought was a normal 3 monthly City security & financial planning meeting since the usual crowd were emailed listed for attendance. The meeting turned out to be something entirely different. To my surprise (shock) this was very much a Masonic level meeting instead. No notes taken - word of mouth only.

At the meeting mention was made that the Timeline for war against Iran was being delayed to a point where other contingencies had to be put in place


The next Great War is now just round the corner. This war will significantly reduce the world’s population, possibly by half, in a very short period of time. This ‘over government’ feels this course of action to be wholly righteous and is pursuing this action with astonishing determination.

and then he states...


the reptilians will cause the war I mentioned before


The pre-dominant race was reptilian and did not resemble any human

so to me it started off with what sounded like a credible person giving first hand experience right up through the Mason's Over Government meeting...

and then poof someone took over and finished writing in his version of past to future interpretations of what have been tossed around for 30 years...

To me the whole letter lost all credibility at that point...

sorry but I call it like it is...

[Rocky_Shorz]

now let me tell you what all of us would really like to know from the whistle blower...

1st did they explain what they planed on doing with an aircraft that wasn't able to be seen by normal Radar?

Does he think that flock of birds that was fired on by a south Korean ship before the explosion hit was one of these crafts?

2nd his ESP was suddenly turned on so he could see the craft waiting for the ones in overalls with Grays running the controls. Did at that moment he suddenly have the history of the earth planted in his head explaining who the good ETs are and who the bad ones were?

Where did he get his info, what was he smoking at the time?

Don't just pour out dribble, give us explanations on how he came up with the information.

Did an ET drop by for tea one day to explain everything to him?

I can go into a bar anywhere and hear a bunch of drunks talking about how Iran is going to be attacked soon by people that know everything about everything.

They aren't the over government they are just a bunch of drunks that will wake up the next day and stumble off to work hoping on a change in the world...

Fulford tell some great tales, but he is close enough to those in the know that when they get loose lips start sharing what their hopes are...

But every time he says the ones are there that can change the world, he mentions "Cheney's boy" is at the party explaining why changes aren't going to happen...

I'd like to hear from an insider from NASA that saw through a telescope what is heading our way.

I have a friend in the Military that knows about the ETs, but he always says if I told you they'd have to kill ya, but if I "told" you they'd have to kill me...

I looked into his head and saw what he couldn't tell me, it freaked him out when I described what he had seen...

Bring us a psychic whistle blower that met someone in black ops to tell us what they have seen...

You will never get the real deals to talk because it would be their final words...

prove me wrong...

[Rocky_Shorz]

now if he had told you that he spoke with someone that had Channeled or had a vision to come to this conclusion...


As part of the preparations for the coming change, the Alhoo built what is now known as the Giza Complex

That would be understandable, I am a visionary and understand not everything I hear comes through clearly... but after doing a little research I found...

http://www.schoyencollection.com/sumerian_files/ms2855s.jpg


LIST OF KINGS AND CITIES FROM BEFORE THE FLOOD

IN ERIDU: ALULIM RULED AS KING 28,800 YEARS. ELALGAR RULED 43,200 YEARS. ERIDU WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO BAD-TIBIRA. AMMILU'ANNA THE KING RULED 36,000 YEARS. ENMEGALANNA RULED 28,800 YEARS. DUMUZI RULED 28,800 YEARS. BAD-TIBIRA WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO LARAK. EN-SIPA-ZI-ANNA RULED 13,800 YEARS. LARAK WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO SIPPAR. MEDURANKI RULED 7,200 YEARS. SIPPAR WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO SHURUPPAK. UBUR-TUTU RULED 36,000 YEARS. TOTAL: 8 KINGS, THEIR YEARS: 222,600


Commentary: The list provides the beginnings of Sumerian and the world’s history as the Sumerians knew it. The cities listed were all very old sites, and the names of the kings are names of old types within Sumerian name-giving. Thus it is possible that correct traditions are contained, though the sequence given need not be correct. The city dynasties may have overlapped. It is generally held that the Antediluvian king list is reflected in Genesis 5, which lists the 10 patriarchs from Adam to Noah, all living from 365 years (Enoch) to 969 years (Methuselah), altogether 8,575 years. It is possible that the 222,600 years of the king list reflects a more realistic understanding of the huge span of time from Creation to the Flood, and the lengths of the dynasties involved. The first of the 5 cities mentioned , Eridu, is Uruk, in the area where the myths places the Garden of Eden, while the last city, Shuruppak, is the city of Ziusudra, the Sumerian Noah.

This is an ancient scroll predating the Flood...

I want Avalon to be everything it can be and part of what everyone is looking for are whistle blowers that can back up at least part of their claims with information people can see and touch.

I was amazed up until the point he became an expert on earths history and future with no explanation of why...

I am not an expert on any of this but like to share with everyone information I have found along the way, together maybe we can piece together the puzzle left by the ancients.

[bashi]

I have a friend in the Military that knows about the ETs, but he always says if I told you they'd have to kill ya, but if I "told" you they'd have to kill me...

I looked into his head and saw what he couldn't tell me, it freaked him out when I described what he had seen...

.


So what have you been able to see? Can you say or are are you concerned about any danger?

.

[Swanny]

Yea come on Rocky spill the beans :)

[Rocky_Shorz]

It was right after I heard about the Norwegian underground bases that I wanted to know if we had the same so went over to a friend that was Special ops in the military to see what he knew... well what I saw one of the projects he was working on, he watched as ~2 Tons of supplies were lowered down by Crane from an opening that seemed like 500 yards above him and once it was set down they were to move it down one of the corridors, he looked around for a forklift and one of the people walked over and stepped on a switch and the cargo lifted it had been set on an anti-gravity platform, with just a small push it started drifting forward. He looked into one auditorium after another that were the size of football stadiums set up with cots. The Tunnel looked like it went on for miles, there was a small group of men they passed while walking along with the supplies and he suddenly had that gut feeling they weren't human even though they looked normal... They didn't look at him, they looked into him...

His heart was racing, these were the ones directing the preparations of the underground facility...

Estimating in his head, this place was large enough to hold 1/3 the population of the major city and he knew of 2 other locations... The whole city could be moved underground to protect it from some type of disaster hitting the surface...

Earthquake? Flood? Volcanic Ash? Nuclear Fallout? Tsunami? The opening was over 1500 feet above sea level was the sea going to suddenly rise?

These are the answers he didn't know...

and all of us wish we did...

[Rocky_Shorz]

I dreamed I was on a spaceship and stood watching a meeting discussing our planet, they weren't aliens from another planet, they were futures that have come back in time to help earth through a troubled time lines. Part of the discussion was on how part of the crew disappeared from the ship from one of the changes they made to earth, so they are already in process of changing our planet. As the present changes it affects the futures that had traveled back in time. So that does answer a few of our questions.

I looked into one of them and saw future cities that reminded me of the Jetsons and some of the movies made showing people flying to and from their destinations. The Buildings literally were touching the clouds. The earth was Green there were no roads all had been replaced because everyone traveled above the ground, Farmlands and forests ran right up to the edges of the city.

It really did look beautiful, the Skies were as blue as you could ever imagine not the pale blue we are used to seeing...

So we might have rough times ahead, but there is hope because I've seen there is a future for our world...

[Rocky_Shorz]

They were very worried about the melting of the icecaps and the geometric effect of every rising degree releasing more gases compounding the heating effects...

My thought is if we can build a CERN, can't we build an air conditioner for the north pole?

We are exploring into Dark Matter creating it here instead of traveling a few trillion miles to see the source, but are ignoring what is happening right under our noses?

Methane gas is explosive, why aren't we tapping more of it...

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/FartFire.jpg

[lightpotential]

IN ERIDU: ALULIM RULED AS KING 28,800 YEARS. ELALGAR RULED 43,200 YEARS. ERIDU WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO BAD-TIBIRA. AMMILU'ANNA THE KING RULED 36,000 YEARS. ENMEGALANNA RULED 28,800 YEARS. DUMUZI RULED 28,800 YEARS. BAD-TIBIRA WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO LARAK. EN-SIPA-ZI-ANNA RULED 13,800 YEARS. LARAK WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO SIPPAR. MEDURANKI RULED 7,200 YEARS. SIPPAR WAS ABANDONED. KINGSHIP WAS TAKEN TO SHURUPPAK. UBUR-TUTU RULED 36,000 YEARS. TOTAL: 8 KINGS, THEIR YEARS: 222,600

The cycles 28800 and 43200 years etc, I do not believe for an instant are the lifespans of actual 'flesh and blood' rulers. They are astronomical cycles related to various planetary conjunction cycles. They refer I believe to 'ideal' values, as with the earth for example when it had exactly 360 days per year. Proof of this latter point is presented at the following link:


360 days per year (http://www.ancient-world-mysteries.com/360-days-earth-year.html)


LP

[Rocky_Shorz]

from Kerry's Whistle blower Letter (http://projectcamelotproductions.com/interviews/anglo-saxon-mission/anglo-saxon-mission.html)
Before this change happened last time, 11500 years ago, there was much warning from those who were coming and going between space to earth. These people were very much part of the human race at the time and not regarded as Gods. They had always been here and were, by and large, though not always, quite compassionate in nature. They lived among us and shared what they could, being able to do so, since the population then living on earth was far fewer in number since people then lived to very old age – compared to the 3 score and 10 of today. Then the visible changes were noted as the earth magnetic poles drifting further and further away from true north and south. This caused seasonal differences that badly affected agriculture and living conditions, causing many of the larger settlements to migrate away from both Polar Regions. Incidentally, the space traveling people were known then as the, ‘Alhoo’ (that’s how it sounds) The Alhoo went to great lengths to ensure that as many people as possible would survive the change. There was no discrimination as to who would be saved. Additionally, around this time, other ET races appeared on earth. Some of these races interfered with the preparations being made by the Alhoo causing much disruption

The reason I brought up the Tablet from before the floods wasn't to point out the years they said someone had lived, it was the fact that it coincided with something the whistle blower had written.

Many times a "people" are known by the name of their ruler, the tablet found in Sumarian lands close to where the planets were mapped out showing a star system unknown to modern man until just recently, mentions ALULIM which dropping the end would sound very similar to Alhoo...

so before the last major world disaster they were here to help humans through it, now as we are seeing the Mayan Calendar running down, suddenly their name comes up again, which seems more than coincidental to me...

[Rocky_Shorz]

last night I was standing outside looking up at the stars, and there was one much brighter that looked 20 times bigger, and was traveling with the earths spin, so moved away from the others I guess it could be a satellite, but it wasn't stationary, it was changing positions over the earth.

Imagine if it is an observatory, all the changes they have watched over the millenniums, all the different cultures that just in the last few hundred years have blended together as the earth has become smaller with technology. The battles back and forth and recently the technology that could destroy the earth 20,000 times. They must have their proud moments watching us and also the disappointments seeing all the trash we dump into the oceans and pollution we pump into the air.

They must often wonder why we all just can't get along...

[K626]

last night I was standing outside looking up at the stars, and there was one much brighter that looked 20 times bigger, and was traveling with the earths spin, so moved away from the others I guess it could be a satellite, but it wasn't stationary, it was changing positions over the earth.

Imagine if it is an observatory, all the changes they have watched over the millenniums, all the different cultures that just in the last few hundred years have blended together as the earth has become smaller with technology. The battles back and forth and recently the technology that could destroy the earth 20,000 times. They must have their proud moments watching us and also the disappointments seeing all the trash we dump into the oceans and pollution we pump into the air.

They must often wonder why we all just can't get along...

When the codes are being unpacked there is always disagreement.

[bashi]

It seems the Anglo.Saxon Mission is in full swing:

1. Preparation and Shippment of Bunker Buster Bombs:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=120910&sectionid=351020101

2. Clearing the area under the pretext of environmentalism:

http://www.zeenews.com/news615967.html

3. ?

Will it be the same procedure as 1991 and 2003 ?

.

[jeannacav]

Hi everyone,
I want to add the following point to this discussion, if I may.

When you are wanting to 'create' a future, you
1 put it forth as if it has already happened.
and
2 Never waver from the picture you have made.

So, "they" know this and I can see this happening in the A-S report... big time.
So, what are WE to do?

The same.

Alex Collier said it so well in the Awake and Aware conference in Sept. 09

He kept putting his hands parallel to each other and turning them together in one direction and saying we must turn it and see it a different way.

Also,
we must not spend too much time focusing on what we do not want.
Some is necessary so we know what is out there, but the bulk of our focus MUST be on what we do want.
-----
So, for me...
I live in a world where all people give generously from their passion.
As a result,
the world is an abundant place.
We live from the compassion we have learned from all the tough times; and, we know from that compassion how to forgive those who still do not understand what they are doing to themselves and to others.

I see this world over and over.
I contribute to this world that I see all the time.
I never take my 'eyes' off it.

So Be It.

thank you,
jeanna

[K626]

It seems the Anglo.Saxon Mission is in full swing:

1. Preparation and Shippment of Bunker Buster Bombs:

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=120910&sectionid=351020101

2. Clearing the area under the pretext of environmentalism:

http://www.zeenews.com/news615967.html

3. ?

Will it be the same procedure as 1991 and 2003 ?

.

Iran will not be attacked.

[K626]

But there is another possible explanation for Netanyahu staying away from a summit on nuclear security issues in Washington. It is that the Israeli prime minister is protesting a new White House policy of refusing visas to Israeli scientists, engineers and technicians who work at the Dimona Reactor/ nuclear bomb factory. Up until recently they had been free to attend technical and scientific conferences and pursue advanced classes at US universities. The visa denials were reported in the Israeli newspaper Maariv by Uri Binder on Wednesday April 7: “Nuclear Reactor Workers Not Wanted in United States.” It was translated by the USG Open Source Center. The article reports that Israeli workers at the Nuclear Research Center Negev (NRCN) in Dimona are complaining bitterly at the humiliation of being excluded from the US, saying the turn-downs are an “offense” against them “and their families.” (???) Moreover, the Dimona bomb plant is suddenly finding it difficult to import technical components and equipment from the United States. The restrictions, they say, are unprecedented. They also claim a double standard, alleging that the Obama administration is being “lenient” toward Iran.


From here

http://www.juancole.com/2010/04/israels-netanyahu-blows-off-obamas.html

[Enlightenment101]

Wow this is the first Video Ive seen from Avalon, I have to say Im completely impressed, thanks and great job. Ill pass this on

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bumping to the top now that the over-government in London knocked out the oil platform to blame it on North Korea...

Obama put a freeze on any word of it being leaked by the media...

[thedot]

I looked into one of them and saw future cities that reminded me of the Jetsons and some of the movies made showing people flying to and from their destinations. The Buildings literally were touching the clouds. The earth was Green there were no roads all had been replaced because everyone traveled above the ground, Farmlands and forests ran right up to the edges of the city.
It really did look beautiful, the Skies were as blue as you could ever imagine not the pale blue we are used to seeing...
So we might have rough times ahead, but there is hope because I've seen there is a future for our world...

Hello Rocky_Shorz,

Sorry, have you seen people flying by themselves, or using some vehicles? Because if by themselves, then it's very close to how Aurobindo, The Mother, Satprem, and Ghis describe the post-transformation life on Earth, when human beings evolve into a brand new species. I'm not a "follower", nor am I a visionary or a psychic, I just imagine it the same way. And this transformation is coming up faster than most of us think! :)

[K626]

Trying to increase the maj in the Commons for a vote of no confidence from 51% to 55% is a lot more insidous than just a rule chance. If I were planning to pass some very controversial stuff I'd be looking to change the rules first.

Be aware.

K

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hi Paul,

unlike many psychics, mediums, clairvoyants, etc, most of my info comes to me through dreams as clear as watching it on a movie screen in full surround sound... I woke from one dream coming back with a very important message, what I was hearing was the music and voices of a million angels... but woke to a child singing the song as a solo on the radio... Maybe I have crossed the threshold and been to where we are all going...

I cast aside the boundaries of impossibilities and open my dreams into the direction I want to go, searching for missing children is where it started, back through history to the beginnings of religion and forward into the future.

Imagine walking up to a vehicle of the future and not knowing how to open the hood to look inside but traveling with a guide you could ask questions and get help.

looking at the powering system and realizing we could be running our vehicles this way, right now, today...

Being an engineer, that knows by studying it what needs to be done to create it...

Waking with the answer to stopping global warming and our dependency on oil...

applying for financial help from the government to put it together...

suddenly being audited by everyone...

losing my drivers license and right to work... for over 6 months before a "computer glitch" could be corrected...

finding out that items have been added onto my background checks (arrests by lettered agencies on crimes that would have sent me away for life) so I have been passed over by employers...

getting buried by taxes with minimal income to the point of impossibility of moving it forward on my own...

I have been humbled to tears...

Maybe there is a future for all of us, not controlled by greed...

Until then, I'll keep dreaming, and will be ready when the world is...


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I'm still searching to find the exact one I woke to...

but this one will touch you and remind all of you who we need to find peace for...

our children...

[LeeEllisMusic]

From Kerry Cassidy's blog today, May 18th, connecting the Gulf Oil gusher to the Anglo Saxon Mission:


It occurred to me that the oil spill had to be engineered from higher levels and my only question was, why? What did they hope to gain?

A source has contacted me to reveal the following:

Apparently, a faulty gasket was installed and allowed to fail. The ultimate objective has to do with the movement of the North Atlantic conveyer... In the end, what we have here is a move in the chess game of Weather Wars.

From Wikipedia:

"It is believed that North Atlantic Deep Water formation has been dramatically reduced at times during the past (such as during the Younger Dryas or during Heinrich events), and that this might correlate with a decrease in the strength of the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic drift, in turn cooling the climate of northwestern Europe..."

Although the exact way this will play out is unclear. However, the gist of it all is that the spill moving up the Northeast coast of the U.S. will head toward Iceland (what is it about Iceland that is such a trigger point/focus for things at this time one wonders) and then over to Europe. Result? Further cooling of the UK and North Europe and destruction of the fisheries industries in those areas, plunging Europe into food shortages and economic turmoil.

What this source said is that this is all part of the very long range plan to roll out the Anglo-Saxon Mission. Large contingents are making plans to go off-world and elsewhere in the long run.

This source also cited the movie KNOWING as containing a precursor event very similar to the actual oil rig explosion in the Gulf... this info is all over the net. See this YouTube video clip from the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgeA3dr2uY

Coincidence? I think not. This is called fore shadowing. An Illuminati signature move.

So what do we have? More volcanic rumblings in Iceland, further predictions of ash in the skies affecting travel... How does this serve the 'masters' you have to ask and the answer is obvious. People are limited, can't move around a freely etc. etc.

The endgame is they are moving toward population thinning and control. This is all part of it.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Israel's Nuclear subs have moved into position within striking distance of Iran, and Israel boarded and attacked a peace flotilla from Turkey with supplies for Gaza...

Protests across the world and Turkey has vowed a response is coming...

Two of the worlds largest military powers are on the verge of unleashing WW III

Obama is in a very tight spot, wanting to condemn the attack but by doing so would be giving Turkey the nod to attack...

America is once again being forced to side with Israel to prevent a War that would shatter our world...


Tick... Tick... Tick...

[DonnaA]

This information matches what Pastor Lindsay Williams has said was the agenda of the elites... If you are not familiar with him you can you tube. He made a 3 part video last January 2010 called the "Elite Speak" that basically outlines the same things. It has been a while now since I've watched the videos but....

Iran was named as one country for war, I believe he also named China and Israel.

Apparently the US "bought" time by allowing the gov to bail out the banks... aprox 2 years worth, before they completely crush our economy. He and others say get out of the cities, stock up on food and seeds and buy gold.

Here is part one (there are 3 parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHMtHvODtoQ


There was also a post on a forum (I do not remember where) by someone called "Hidden Hand" a few years back I believe, who said he was part of the elite and outlined some of the same things. His discourse was limited to answering questions from the forum members. One of the questions asked was why he was telling them these things, and his reply was that they have to tell us what they are planning... it is part of the 'game'... I suppose that way they feel they are justified in doing these things, kinda like a "we told you so" ... Pastor Williams says the same things about having to tell us... With that in mind, maybe it was no mistake this man was present in this meeting, as they knew he would tell someone.

Now with this info from Bill... it makes 3 different sources all basically saying the same thing.

This type of stuff really eats at my soul. I mean who are these freaks that think they are entitled to run our lives, kill us off like we are livestock, and commit such atrocities as if it were all just a game?

People are looking for "divine intervention" Mr. Williams says that is our only hope.... why? Why aren't the people rising up in protest? Why aren't the governments of the world saying "f-you"? What is the deal? This I don't understand. I don't believe we will have the "divine" intervene at all. We are on our own.

I think people need to stop looking outside for a cure to what ails this earth (the "agenda") and start looking at themselves.

These elites can only play the game if we allow them to. I stay stop allowing them! It is time to organize and get rid of these unwanted masters.

[DonnaA]

From Kerry Cassidy's blog today, May 18th, connecting the Gulf Oil gusher to the Anglo Saxon Mission:
It occurred to me that the oil spill had to be engineered from higher levels and my only question was, why? What did they hope to gain?

A source has contacted me to reveal the following:

Apparently, a faulty gasket was installed and allowed to fail. The ultimate objective has to do with the movement of the North Atlantic conveyer... In the end, what we have here is a move in the chess game of Weather Wars.

From Wikipedia:

"It is believed that North Atlantic Deep Water formation has been dramatically reduced at times during the past (such as during the Younger Dryas or during Heinrich events), and that this might correlate with a decrease in the strength of the Gulf Stream and the North Atlantic drift, in turn cooling the climate of northwestern Europe..."

Although the exact way this will play out is unclear. However, the gist of it all is that the spill moving up the Northeast coast of the U.S. will head toward Iceland (what is it about Iceland that is such a trigger point/focus for things at this time one wonders) and then over to Europe. Result? Further cooling of the UK and North Europe and destruction of the fisheries industries in those areas, plunging Europe into food shortages and economic turmoil.

What this source said is that this is all part of the very long range plan to roll out the Anglo-Saxon Mission. Large contingents are making plans to go off-world and elsewhere in the long run.

This source also cited the movie KNOWING as containing a precursor event very similar to the actual oil rig explosion in the Gulf... this info is all over the net. See this YouTube video clip from the movie: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmgeA3dr2uY

Coincidence? I think not. This is called fore shadowing. An Illuminati signature move.

So what do we have? More volcanic rumblings in Iceland, further predictions of ash in the skies affecting travel... How does this serve the 'masters' you have to ask and the answer is obvious. People are limited, can't move around a freely etc. etc.

The endgame is they are moving toward population thinning and control. This is all part of it.


Now this makes perfect sense.

I wondered why they are not moving IMO fast enough... it is almost like they do not care how much oil leaks out.

There is a youtube of a Homeland Security Official (local) for a Parrish in LA who is so upset he is almost in tears because he was ready to clean up the mess and the PTB told him sorry there is no money, don't start any clean up....

What does our government say? "Oh well"...

Hubby and I think the platform was bombed... but we obviously have no proof... a drone could bomb it and no one would be the wiser. BTW..there was a natural gas rig off the coast of Venezuela that also collapsed in the Gulf of Mexico shortly after this one... didn't see it in the main-stream media either... makes me wonder if they capped that well?

I grew up on the Gulf and it totally disgusts me that no one seems to care that it has been over 1 month and they still don't have it capped, no one seems to care that now (even weeks ago) the oil is beyond "clean up"...

I get so bent on these people that I actually begin to think a natural 2012 catastrophe would be good for us all, even if I were to die in the process, at least maybe it would take these "masters" with it, since the people as a whole don't seem to care to stand up and do anything about it. The majority are still asleep.

I don't know about anyone else but I want to stand on my rooftop and scream "don't you see?" ... but no one would listen. :(

[stardustaquarion]

Now this makes perfect sense.

I wondered why they are not moving IMO fast enough... it is almost like they do not care how much oil leaks out.

There is a youtube of a Homeland Security Official (local) for a Parrish in LA who is so upset he is almost in tears because he was ready to clean up the mess and the PTB told him sorry there is no money, don't start any clean up....

What does our government say? "Oh well"...

Hubby and I think the platform was bombed... but we obviously have no proof... a drone could bomb it and no one would be the wiser. BTW..there was a natural gas rig off the coast of Venezuela that also collapsed in the Gulf of Mexico shortly after this one... didn't see it in the main-stream media either... makes me wonder if they capped that well?

I grew up on the Gulf and it totally disgusts me that no one seems to care that it has been over 1 month and they still don't have it capped, no one seems to care that now (even weeks ago) the oil is beyond "clean up"...

I get so bent on these people that I actually begin to think a natural 2012 catastrophe would be good for us all, even if I were to die in the process, at least maybe it would take these "masters" with it, since the people as a whole don't seem to care to stand up and do anything about it. The majority are still asleep.

I don't know about anyone else but I want to stand on my rooftop and scream "don't you see?" ... but no one would listen. :(

Hi, my father used to run a shipping company to the USG, I feel for the people there, it must be quite harrowing. I agree that all this talk about a catastrophe in 2012 is quite mind boggling! If one is to die I will prefer to do it in the peace of my own bed so I can have the meaningful moment is required to have

What if what happened in the USG is a sink hole like in Guatemala?

Just a thought

:wave:

[DonnaA]

Hi, my father used to run a shipping company to the USG, I feel for the people there, it must be quite harrowing. I agree that all this talk about a catastrophe in 2012 is quite mind boggling! If one is to die I will prefer to do it in the peace of my own bed so I can have the meaningful moment is required to have

What if what happened in the USG is a sink hole like in Guatemala?

Just a thought

:wave:

I highly doubt it was a sinkhole, and I highly doubt that was a sink hole in Guatemala too. Sink holes are not ever perfectly round, that should be the first clue. There are many sink holes in Florida, especially after heavy rains, in fact you have to get insurance specifically for sink hole damage there (or if your house sinks you are not covered) and none of them ever have been perfectly round. :)

[LesliesFarm]

I would like to comment on the original thread: How are whistle blowers vetted? This question would not be asked if we had a truly FREE PRESS. We are so accustomed to having our "NEWS" predigested for us that we think it is strange to use our ability to evaluate what is presented as news. We are getting a sample of how a real free press would operate. A real journalist does not claim to be the god of truth. He or she presents what events are witnessed, by themselves or others, which seem worthy of attention. That is how the jury system is supposed to work (and often does remarkably, in a rare honest courtroom). In both cases the observer is supposed to use their own judgement.

This is a time of learning to trust our hearts. It is difficult after a lifetime of being told what to think, feel and do.
Leslie

[MargueriteBee]

In reference to Rocky's post #29 on the underground bases: I had a thought that this would also keep the occupants from being exposed to incoming positive energies thus easier to control. How many people live 'down there' now? However, what about the energy of the earth rising higher, would that affect the occupants in a positive manner? Perhaps things will not be so dire as some propose. Perhaps all positive energies combine in a marvelous way we have not yet perceived? I like to think, "Hey you folks on the negative path, resistance is futile man wise up".

Today I was in the garden and one of those yellowtail butterflies stopped by to say hello and then proceeded to have lunch on the big purple flowers. Uploading pictures here doesn't work for me but you can see them on my little no ad blog at: http://margueritebee.blogspot.com/.

[magnusthor]

I'm afraid this is going to happen.

The plan as outlined by Albert Pike:

"The First World War must be brought about in order to permit the Illuminati to overthrow the power of the Czars in Russia and of making that country a fortress of atheistic Communism. The divergences caused by the "agentur" (agents) of the Illuminati between the British and Germanic Empires will be used to foment this war. At the end of the war, Communism will be built and used in order to destroy the other governments and in order to weaken the religions."
"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."
"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the "agentur" of the "Illuminati" between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion…We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time." -,1871


Predictions from what I assume are probabilities extracted from some higher consciousness:

Maria Laach Monastery (16th Century)
“The twentieth century will bring death and destruction, apostasy from the Church, discord in families, cities and governments; it will be the century of three great wars with intervals of a few decades They will become ever more devastating and bloody and will lay in ruins not only Germany, but finally all countries of East and West.
After a terrible defeat of Germany will follow the next great war. There will be no bread for people anymore and no fodder for animals. Poisonous clouds, manufactured by human hands, will sink down and exterminate everything. The human mind will be seized by insanity.”

Matthias Stormberger (ca. 1750-1805)
"Iron roads will be built, and iron monsters will bark through the wilderness. Cars without horses and shaft will come, and men will fly though the air like birds."
"When in the outskirts of the forest the iron road will be finished, and there the iron horse will be seen , a war will begin, to last for twice two years. It will be fought with iron fortresses that move without horses, and with powers that come from the earth and fall from the sky." (On Aug. 1, 1914, a new railroad line between Kalteneck and Deggendorf (running on the edge of Stormberger's forest) officially opened - the day hostilities began.)
"Right after this horrible war there will come a time when money will have no value. For 200 guilders not even a loaf of bread will be available, and yet there shall be no famine. Money will be made of iron, and gold shall become so valuable that for a few gold coins a small farm can be bought."
"Two or three decades after the first great war will come a second, still greater war. Almost all nations of the world will be involved. Millions of men will die, without being soldiers. Fire will fall from the sky and many great cites will be destroyed."
"The catholic faith will almost completely disappear, the religiousness will be quite badly respected, they will not earn any respect due to their way of living, there won't be many good Christians among the people, the Commandments of God are no longer respected by the aristocracy as well as by the smallest worker, one will not think the greatest unfairness to be a sin. When the faith disappears also the love of the next one will completely lose itself, one will not estimate the justice, often the poor one will not be given right and he will be less respected than a dog. After this a mischief will arise that has to be regretted, there will be no order among the people"
"And after the second great struggle between the nations will come a third universal conflagration, which will determine everything. There will be entirely new weapons. In one day more men will die than in all previous wars combined. Battles will be fought with artificial weapons. Gigantic catastrophes will occur. With open eyes will the nations of the Earth enter into these catastrophes. They shall not be aware of what is happening, and those who will know and tell, will be silenced.
Everything will become different than before, and in many places the Earth will be a great cemetery. The third great war will be the end of many nations."
"The people will run out of the forest. Those, who hide themselves at the "Fuchsenriegel" or at the "Falkenstein", remain spared. Who survives must have an iron heading. The people become ill, and nobody can help them... however it will continue, and what follows then, is the end of the world. Sky and earth burn, because it is the time, when everything comes to an end. And this time will be, when the wild hunt with fire and sulphur roars over the country. But it is still long time, till it will happen, then no humans will know anymore, where "Zwiesel" and where "Rabenstein" (German towns) have been. Of all frights the this will be the last. When the people fall off the bank like the flies off the wall, the last time begins. It will be horrible." ........
"But when however someone at the whole Danube stream finds still another cow, then she is worth it to be attached with a silver bell by the owner." ....
"After these events it will be a miracle, if one still sees two or three rulers going together, after these events the clarity will be anew, and those who survived, will face a good time for hope".

edit since my frustration seemed to materialize, perhaps, unnecessarily pessimistically: it's just so frustrating that I can see this planned, predicted, and manifesting itself in geopolitical terms (www.globalresearch.ca always a good start), not only as a probability but at this point a virtual certainty when there is nothing I can do to prevent it from happening. I do not even know if my own efforts, however potent, are included in the calculations or not, or if these beings assisting us (many of whom we may be at this crucial time) have come to alter or limit the destructiveness of this ancient apparatus. I know that life is a mere illusion, but most people do not know that, and the fear and pain experienced on such a massive scale, although somewhat artificial, feels very real. It's just painful to be so certain about something so horrible and not being in a position thwart it.

What can be said is that, should this occur, it has also been accurately foretold (in accordance with the other predictions) that there would be "cities of light, as if they knew it would happen and prepared" which will be left alone by gangs and predators alike. So I would recommend, especially those in the US (and other major targets, in particular nuclear missile facilities, or other strategic areas), should leave major cities, gather like-minded people and loved ones around you along with a food, water source and shelter and ride it out. It won't last too long, and world public opinion will demand a permanent ban on offensive weapons as it draws to an end. This won't happen again, at least for a very long time.

[magnusthor]

Just to compare with the mission as outlined here, I see it this way: the reptilians will have their war, and may in fact reach the planned casualty level (50%), but they will fail and their game is truly up. However, the war itself will probably only cause the death of some 10-15% while the remaining 35-40% will be caused by water and food shortages, as well as the ensuing worldwide chaos. Shelter will also be important to avoid nuclear fall-out. Preparedness, it seems to me, is therefore key to survival.

[grannyfranny100]

Hello all
The posts seem so grim that I could cry. But I remember Bill saying that he would not have reincarnated now without a chance of a positive outcome. Now that is a good reminder!
Franny

[Ethereal Blue Being]

If and when this happens even if they are running behind schedule. It seems some very powerful people in all of the major world powers with almost unlimited resourses will be battling it out on some "level". If those with the Anglo-Saxon agenda are going to unleash an ethnicity specific virus what is to keep that country from doing the same ? And if Israel and Iran have a small nuclear exchange, then what is 'small' ?- Isn't everything on the planet connected through water, atmosphere etc. Where does it all end ? or do the dominos keep falling until The Georgia Guidstones 500 million planetwide population becomes a reality. Bill this interview on the Anglo-Saxon agenda is a huge eye-opener and now I view many other threads here at Project Avalon Portal while still keeping this new info in my mind to "cross pollinate" the new possibilities ---Thanks --

[Alifun]

Mr Ryan, thank you for such a clear english spoken information.
I first got acquainted closer with time time travel facts after reading Montauk project. I really feel that we have quicker perception of information these days, because the time goes faster. The issue is with kind of information we absorb... If its regular Media, then we can quicker become zombie's alike. If it is a truth then we can quicker conceive our reason here as Mr Ryan noted on video.
Sorry for little off-topic.

[bashi]

Thank you magnusthor for posting this very important info about A. Pike.
It is the remaining major puzzle piece of evidence to confirm the validity of statements in the
Anglo Saxon video.
i share your line of thought. i think you were referring to Sarah Hoffman's vision regarding the cities of light.

Here are some smaller pieces of the puzzle:
In 2002, during a press conference, the Deputy Chief of Staff, General Yuri Baluyevsky made
the following statement:
“Iran does have nuclear weapons. Of course, these are non-strategic nuclear weapons. I
mean these are not ICBMs with a range of more than 5,500 kilometers and more. But as
as military man, I see no danger of aggression against Russia by Iran.”
This statement never made it into the headlines of any MSM. Why not? It shows how
tight the control of the flow of information is.
When the General was asked where the missing 250 Ukrainian nukes were, he declined
to comment, because he said there are no confirmed reports.
But he did know that Iran had acquired WMD!

Also:

The National Intelligence Estimate of 2007 stated:

“We judge with high confidence that in fall of 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program. … We assess with moderate confidence Tehran has not restarted its nuclear program as of mid-2007, but we do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons….”

In the light of the above it is clear why Iran had halted the program in 2003:


They had already gotten enough WMDs.

links:
http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2002/Jun_2002/iran_has_nuke_6602.htm
http://www.cuttingedge.org/na/na260.htm

[bashi]

I have forgotten the link regarding the missing Ukrainian nukes:

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20060403/45107320.html


Here an admission by the US general Vallely that Iran has nukes, but no missile-warheads:

"NRB: I thought the Iranians don’t have a nuclear weapon?
Vallely: What they haven’t developed is the capability of having a war head to fire the nuke."

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2010/08/07/two-threats-to-american-national-security-iran-and-illegal-immigration/

That was yesterday.

[FrankoL]

Unfortunately I have the same filing. Something might happen.

There must be an agenda behind. I would expect that several roll-outs are foreseen. The Anglo-Saxon mission might be just one of them. Hopefully I am wrong but have constant perception that in one day, just a normal day will change our lives for ever. Nothing will be the same.

I have changed. Quite a lot, I would say. Not by listening to doom & gloom stories. The "air" is different. Just listen to your friends/colleagues and all around. People are careless, without any motivation and living day per day. So fore I am sure that something is going on. We perceive it (subconsciously). The change is near. And it feels just like waiting for a surgery.

[Ghostmarley]

The "air" is different. Just listen to your friends/colleagues and all around. People are careless, without any motivation and living day per day.

I`m with you on this one for 100 % FrankoL , the people around me don`t care as well to what happens or is gonna happen and as long people don`t care "THEY" can do whatever they want .
And as long people dont open there eye`s and take some responsibility and action nothing is gonna change , its only getting worse.

I`m convinced that there are people behind the scene`s planning all of this madness that is happening and is gonna happen .


Bill thnx for the vid that you made and thnx for explaining it so well and clear so that even i could understand it without going to google searching for the meaning of some words or phrases.

Lets just all hope people will wake up and will take action in whats going on , i believe they will in the end but will it be on time .......? I realy hope so with all my heart .

Lotta love to all you guys .

Ghostmarley.

[saint_chris]

If this misson is true can someone explain to me why we are flooding europe and the U.S with muslims, surley if you want to wipe most of them out you would leave them in the line of fire . Just a clip of what im talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WorldCapitalBeats#p/c/CE8FC83082486939/14/X5vP_JnN9fA

[Rocky_Shorz]

The powers knew the light warriors were going to shut the gulf stream to save the planets oceans...

Russia is on fire and won't be exporting any wheat...

Is this all planned just to shut down food supplies on the planet?

this is going to be an extremely cold winter in Europe if the gulf stream isn't allowed to flow...


edited to add... thanks to Apple Moths appearing in southern California, exports have been quarantined...

and... a new superbug resistant to antibiotics has just appeared and is spreading rapidly in the India Pakistan area

[magnusthor]

If this misson is true can someone explain to me why we are flooding europe and the U.S with muslims, surley if you want to wipe most of them out you would leave them in the line of fire . Just a clip of what im talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/user/WorldCapitalBeats#p/c/CE8FC83082486939/14/X5vP_JnN9fA

Look at the Albert Pike plan. It is to begin in the Middle East, between the Jews and the Muslims; the rest of us are to pick a side and fight. This is why many nations are being prepared to pick a side as we speak, by turning populations against their Muslim immigrants and others against Israel

[hyundisonata]

Interesting video, you asked for opinions this is my personal view and is not aimed to cause offence and I apologise now just in case.
Personally I believe you have been used as a scaremonger. There are too many wrongs in the statement.
Here we have an anonymous guy invited to a meeting that proposes the end of the world. We are expected to believe that the powers that be invite people who have no clue to their plans and be told the whole plan. Not very clever are they.
London is not the financial capital of the world, Edinburgh is. Everything and everybody are controlled by what is known by the title. The Edinburgh mafia. Very nasty people. All the banks, NASA .CIA ECT. All under the control of this mafia. I have crossed them and learned a hard lesson; the people I was involved in are still in an American prison.
Why would such as china, Iran, North Korea ECT join the fleet being assembled in the Arabian Sea by the American and British navy. This along with ships from all countries including Sweden, Switzerland, France ECT. Why are all UK naval bases on red alert if the war is such as described? The real war is a repeat of High Jump and again we will get our butts well booted.
The only extermination of Asian people will be due to natural causes and the perimeter that will be established in Europe to stop mass migration in search of food, water and shelter. This information I obtained illegally so don’t ask .but it was from a certain computer in Japan.
I can understand your reason for relaying such information but have you never considered you have been used to incite the Asian people to react defensively believing that a planed attack is immanent. Think about it. You have set the seed of doubt in many minds.
You are right regarding the fact that the elite are nothing without our help. If we say NO then any such plans are useless. But alas we are fooled by egotistic loyalty to such as a flag or monarch or even religion and allow our violent tendency to rear its ugly head thus allowing control factors to dictate how we live our lives. We are our own enemy. We only need two rules to live a contented life and that is one to abolish the greed for material wealth and secondly the most important one and that is quiet simply love thy neighbours.
Conspiracy wise all the answers are in Scotland, this is the reason Scotland has a limited account for its history even though it is older than most civilizations, the Romans knew this, that’s why they invaded England and built Hadrian’s Wall. This was to defend Scotland not England as the steps and ramparts are on the Scottish side. Try researching the Isle of May and why all Scottish kings had to send their sons there.
All the above and my NDEs along with my alien contact tells me your video is wrong .sorry as stated this is my opinion based on what I perceive as reality.

[Bill Ryan]

This along with ships from all countries including Sweden, Switzerland, France ECT.

I've spent much of the last two years in Zurich, but I must say I've never heard much about the Swiss Navy.

I must ask some of my Swiss friends about that!

:)

[Operator]

but I must say I've never heard much about the Swiss Navy.

Maybe they have a secret space navy too ?

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Bill and Operator,Swiss Navy ,Secret Space Navy .... too funny even though I know you take this subject very seriously as do I. I for one believe that the Anglo-Saxon mission is very real.I think that the PTB'S want the population "reduced" long before the planet gets to the 9-12 million count. I think the global economic issues of the last couple of years is a part of that. I personally know of many families that have brought their college age children home because of financial uncertainties and many are living 3 and 4 generations in one household because of home forclosures and /or medical bills.( how convenient for the PTB'S) The Dispersants used in the oil spill are killing and permanently damaging everything (supposedly it's showing up on inland crops now) how long until Peaches,oranges, pecans etc are quarantened. There is a very large African American population in the US South.(obesity highest in the US) Has anyone noticed that when they show the workers hired by BP to clean up the oil they are mostly huge, strong African American men! No north Atlantic conveyor belt ( thousands in Europe may freeze to death) or become weakened by the cold. MIllions have lost their jobs in China due to factory closings from lack of product orders. (these people are now undernourished and more suceptable to "disease." Massive Flooding/earthquakes throughout the world are increasing ...death and disease is spreading. People in general worried about the economy, solar flares ,2012 , maybe a huge Iceland volcano soon (Katla) and now new earthlike planets, aliens and ufos are real. I definately think a PTB agenda has rolled out and this is just the beginning. If they can control weather, earthquakes and ocean currents and the economy then the sky is the limit.

[hyundisonata]

So I take it the thought that tens of thousands of Asians who may be reading or watching what you have said is not a terrifying concept. Here we have someone telling them that some lunatics in the UK intend to start a nuclear strike against them. But because you tell them not to react to the strike everything will be ok. I can assure you if they believe what you have stated then commonsense dictates self preservation and the first thing on their minds will be to strike first. I can understand your reason for your statement. What I cannot comprehend is why you said such without publishing substantial proof that it is genuine instead you give us some faceless person. You may have been duped into lighting the fuse by spreading such a rumour and present that is all it is. This is an area of our world whose people are suffering on a daily basis and who are easily misled by the growing number of fanatics that live amongst them. Can you not understand the fear these people would have reading such a statement even though it was written with good intentions? This is not a laughing mater people, and definably not a subject to ridicule. Yes ridicule such as me with stories about ET if it makes you feel better but not something this close to reality.

[sojorner]

I enjoyed Ethereal's comments. After a while...the"Which way are we to die this time"..does make me want to laugh as well at times. I, found Ethereal's comments resonated with my own thoughts.

I am here on Avalon to share information and hear other peoples opinions..not attack people for expressing themselves.

Soj

[bluestflame]

perhaps that's been part of the agenda all along , the FEMA camps were not for the citizens , but immigrents , at first the relief to the citizens will be huge ....It feels engineered , steered

they do seem to like emotional involvement , the disinfo campaigns seem to be aimed in that direction

once the emotions engage it's difficult to see things clearly , effectively undermining any attempt to know and share with others what's really going on ...

[Ethereal Blue Being]

Here's a thought. What if the sports stadiums are to be used for the military and national guard to operate from. These facilities cost hundreds of millions in many cases. "Unruley persons " would vandalize the place. Maybe the barbed wire or chain link fence facilities with tents " FEMA camps" are for "others" who have gotten sick, violated martial law etc. It would be ablolutely horrific if they are used as another " internment camp" like the Japanese were put in during WWII.

[qbeac]

Hi everyone,

In a Spanish forum we have been debating about “The Anglo Saxon Mission” during a few months by now, we have gathered a lot of important information about it and the thread already has more than 34000 views. This is the link which includes a poll:

Misión Anglosajona: ¿Qué planea el gobierno en la sombra para el 2012 y después?
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=1527876

Of all the information we have posted in that thread related to the Anglo Saxon Mission, I would like to point out and underline two particularly important pieces of the puzzle, which are:



1) Information related to what may happen in 2012 and the possible cataclysm.

For instance, it seems there is scientific evidence about the existence of previous civilizations in this planet (Ej: Atlantida, Lemuria, etc.), some of which may have achieved a higher level of technological advancement than our current civilization but have later been destroyed by cataclysms.

So, if it has happened before, could it happen again? This is the link:

Pag. 15. Post 1 to 3. Hollywood movie “2012”, ¿fiction or reality?
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=24326595#24326595



2) Video and web about “The Giza Geomatrix”: Their authors say they have found a way to avoid the alleged 2012 cataclysm.

This weekend I watched a video called “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation” and I found it extremely interesting, I highly recommend it. This is the link:

Video: “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation”,
http://www.gizamap.com/sub/movies/en/index.html

Let me give you a brief summary of the video. I’ve posted a rough transcript (not literal) of it here:

Post 3, pag. 57. Transcript of “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation”
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=26676032#26676032

In that video, from minute Min. 1h:08:15 to Min. 1h:12:50 and also from Min. 1h:22:28 to Min. 1h:24:10, the author explains several very important things:


a) He says his team have found scientific proof of other lost civilizations, such as Atlantida or Lemuria, and even 3 or 4 other ones.

b) Some previous lost civilizations ended due to catastrophic events (earth cataclysms), and they (his team) think that could happen again around 2012 due to astronomical or cosmic reasons (like a big cosmic “storm”… see detailed explanation in the video).

c) The author of the video says they (his team) have found out that the ancient civilizations discovered there is a way to avoid such cataclysms, and it has to do with taking some sort of technical device which is supposedly located in the chest of the Pharaoh Khufu and place it in a specific location inside the Great Pyramid of Egypt in order to “activate it”, which will also activate many other dormant pyramids around the world.

That alleged activation will have some sort of positive effect in the electromagnetic field (or grid) of the Earth, it will “fix it” and therefore protect the earth against the potential violent activity of the sun at around 2012 (or something like that), and that could avoid the possible 2012 cataclysm.

d) He also says (or implies) that the US government (or dark cabal, shadowy government, elite, illuminati) is trying to steal Khufu’s chest technological device because they want to prevent humanity from activating the Great Pyramid, and I “think” the reason for it is because the elite DOES WANT for the cataclysm to take place in order to remain in power and keep controlling this planet and its people.

(Note: My apologies if the above summary is not 100% accurate because I am relying on memory and I would like to watch the video again to make sure I’ve understood it correctly)
So, in case I’ve understood it correctly and the info in that video is correct (and we shall see), what’s going on here is like a struggle between the dark and the light: The light trying to activate the pyramid to prevent the cataclysm and the darkness trying not to activate the pyramid so that the cataclysm takes place.

In my personal opinion (qbeac), that information, in case it is correct (and we’ll see), dovetails very well with the Anglo Saxon Mission.

My question to you all is:

What do you think about it?

Can we trust the information in that video (Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation)?

Thanks.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Lots of Great opinions and info. It seems we are all assuming that the PTB are united. I think they are, only in the sense that they want to keep the money & power from us worker bees. However, I often wonder if there are not factions within their groups where infighting is taking place as to the how's to accomplish this, and also some power struggles within for top dog.

I personally believe they have been tampering with Nature, however, they're doing it without the complete manual. In my opinion Mother Nature will have the last laugh - but where does that leave us?

I'm always amazed that so many of us believe:

1) This place is a prison or insane asylum, yet we will fight to the end to stay here.
2) That we are not our bodies, yet we will do whatever to keep them.

I know many of you will come back with: We came here to make it better. But again I ask, if it was better THERE and we were great knowing spiritual beings THERE - WHY? I'm not saying I have the answer, I don't, but it does seem that there is some very deep programing that we're not unveiling. Perhaps the Wingmakers info is correct or correct to some degree.

Back to the Anglo Saxon Mission. Perhaps the best we could and should do is go within and tap into how to change our personal timeline. It seems the more attention we give something, the stronger it gets. That is not to say to ignore it. Be aware when crossing a busy street and then one can avoid the traffic. But I feel we all must keep developing our own intuition and psychic abilities and we will be able to save ourselves.

[Luke]

Lots of Great opinions and info. It seems we are all assuming that the PTB are united. I think they are, only in the sense that they want to keep the money & power from us worker bees. However, I often wonder if there are not factions within their groups where infighting is taking place as to the how's to accomplish this, and also some power struggles within for top dog.

I personally believe they have been tampering with Nature, however, they're doing it without the complete manual. In my opinion Mother Nature will have the last laugh - but where does that leave us?[...]
:thumb: Agree. I written on war at the top once (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3095-Society-Patterns&p=28298&viewfull=1#post28298)
Way I see it Mother Nature can either do it violently or work through us. After all, every single being here can get in touch with her, if he/she decides to. Not easy though. Creating civilization that will extend Nature , not pillage it, is dream I have strong connection to.

Also, I see reality as projection of us. Things are how we see them, though they "obey" bigger dreamers too. Question is do we choose to learn and elevate ourselves, one step at the time (http://www.viruscomix.com/page519.html), or we choose to play childish tantrums.

Crucial thing is communication, among us here but also with world around us.

"Anglo-Saxon mission" is somebody's dream. Dream about creating a dam on flow of things. That dream was sold to many people and they shifted reality accordingly. They managed to get us in situation where we are too busy chasing the ball to think what the big picture is. Would be good to reflect on that.

What is, is within us.

[Operator]

It seems we are all assuming that the PTB are united. I think they are, only in the sense that they want to keep the money & power from us worker bees. However, I often wonder if there are not factions within their groups where infighting is taking place as to the how's to accomplish this, and also some power struggles within for top dog.

I sometimes have to think about some scenes from Pirates of the Caribbean ... where there's not simply good and bad fighting each other but
how during fights it gets very complicated who is fighting who and who betrayed/cheated on the other.
And sometimes it's striking how easily they make conspiracy deals to get out of awkward situations instantly (and deal with the consequences later).

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I sometimes have to think about some scenes from Pirates of the Caribbean ... where there's not simply good and bad fighting each other but
how during fights it gets very complicated who is fighting who and who betrayed/cheated on the other.
And sometimes it's striking how easily they make conspiracy deals to get out of awkward situations instantly (and deal with the consequences later).

Yes, also the movie Syriana (George Clooney). Not in my mind a good movie, it was so convoluted that it was hard to tell who the good guys and who the bad guys actually were, as it seemed to shift. And then - the light bulb moment! Ah Ha, that's exactly what's happening in our world. I'm not sure anyone knows for certain what's going on - so in that regard the movie was a good mirror for us.

I'm still encouraging all to focus on changing their timelines. If you don't here from me in a while, maybe I'm there!!

[bashi]

Hi everyone,

In a Spanish forum we have been debating about “The Anglo Saxon Mission” during a few months by now, we have gathered a lot of important information about it and the thread already has more than 34000 views. This is the link which includes a poll:

Misión Anglosajona: ¿Qué planea el gobierno en la sombra para el 2012 y después?
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?t=1527876

Of all the information we have posted in that thread related to the Anglo Saxon Mission, I would like to point out and underline two particularly important pieces of the puzzle, which are:



1) Information related to what may happen in 2012 and the possible cataclysm.

For instance, it seems there is scientific evidence about the existence of previous civilizations in this planet (Ej: Atlantida, Lemuria, etc.), some of which may have achieved a higher level of technological advancement than our current civilization but have later been destroyed by cataclysms.

So, if it has happened before, could it happen again? This is the link:

Pag. 15. Post 1 to 3. Hollywood movie “2012”, ¿fiction or reality?
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=24326595#24326595



2) Video and web about “The Giza Geomatrix”: Their authors say they have found a way to avoid the alleged 2012 cataclysm.

This weekend I watched a video called “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation” and I found it extremely interesting, I highly recommend it. This is the link:

Video: “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation”,
http://www.gizamap.com/sub/movies/en/index.html

Let me give you a brief summary of the video. I’ve posted a rough transcript (not literal) of it here:

Post 3, pag. 57. Transcript of “The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation”
http://zonaforo.meristation.com/foros/viewtopic.php?p=26676032#26676032

In that video, from minute Min. 1h:08:15 to Min. 1h:12:50 and also from Min. 1h:22:28 to Min. 1h:24:10, the author explains several very important things:


a) He says his team have found scientific proof of other lost civilizations, such as Atlantida or Lemuria, and even 3 or 4 other ones.

b) Some previous lost civilizations ended due to catastrophic events (earth cataclysms), and they (his team) think that could happen again around 2012 due to astronomical or cosmic reasons (like a big cosmic “storm”… see detailed explanation in the video).

c) The author of the video says they (his team) have found out that the ancient civilizations discovered there is a way to avoid such cataclysms, and it has to do with taking some sort of technical device which is supposedly located in the chest of the Pharaoh Khufu and place it in a specific location inside the Great Pyramid of Egypt in order to “activate it”, which will also activate many other dormant pyramids around the world.

That alleged activation will have some sort of positive effect in the electromagnetic field (or grid) of the Earth, it will “fix it” and therefore protect the earth against the potential violent activity of the sun at around 2012 (or something like that), and that could avoid the possible 2012 cataclysm.

d) He also says (or implies) that the US government (or dark cabal, shadowy government, elite, illuminati) is trying to steal Khufu’s chest technological device because they want to prevent humanity from activating the Great Pyramid, and I “think” the reason for it is because the elite DOES WANT for the cataclysm to take place in order to remain in power and keep controlling this planet and its people.

(Note: My apologies if the above summary is not 100% accurate because I am relying on memory and I would like to watch the video again to make sure I’ve understood it correctly)
So, in case I’ve understood it correctly and the info in that video is correct (and we shall see), what’s going on here is like a struggle between the dark and the light: The light trying to activate the pyramid to prevent the cataclysm and the darkness trying not to activate the pyramid so that the cataclysm takes place.

In my personal opinion (qbeac), that information, in case it is correct (and we’ll see), dovetails very well with the Anglo Saxon Mission.

My question to you all is:

What do you think about it?

Can we trust the information in that video (Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation)?

Thanks.


Hi qbeac.
I watched the vid and my impression (under the assumption that there is substance to their claims) is this:

These guys claim to be in contact through channelling with “Enki” and that he was/is a benevolent being out to help mankind.
How do they know that they are not being fooled? Only because the info provided guided them to some artefacts?
I am not an expert in Egyptology etc, but what I found about Khufu is that he was (supposedly) a cruel being.
Is it not possible that this group is being used to set up a kind of “homing in device” which will facilitate the supposed “visitors” which shows up (supposedly) every 6500 years?
Is it not possible that they open unwittingly the portals for the “Dragons of Thuban” to come in?
The Lady “Lucina” has a very big sign/tattoo of a dragon on her left shoulder. Is she not operating under this sign?

Some quotes from the vid: “Earths protective grid was not any more in place …due to the actions of modern man”
So when was it in place?

“We have recovered the info how to prevent the cataclysm from happening”
That’s a very bold assumption in many ways:
- The info has been channelled from an unknown source.
- It is assumed that the pyramidal device will still be operational after so many years.
- It is assumed that if the device will be placed in the pyramid and it works, then something will happen that will “save” Earth`s civilisation from being destroyed.

Why I don’t think that this is going to work?
Well, they themselves are stating that Khufu has built this pyramidal device to protect the human civilisation.
But they also state that – despite this- between the archaeological period of Khufu1 and Khufu2 the same cataclysm was happening.
So, that time, long ago, when the knowledge was still there during Khufu1 and the pyramidal device was “new”, they were not able to prevent the disaster to happen.
But now, without having an idea of the bigger picture, they have figured it out how to do. Very unlikely, in my opinion.

Can’t it be that the device has been used that time to facilitate the cataclysm and then has been stored away safely, so that it can be activated again by some misguided individuals 6500 years later?

Qbeac, have you read/heard of the “Abraxinas thread” on PA1?
There you could witness how people were being manipulated by the “Dragons of Thuban” into a specific agenda.
It was subsequently banned from PA1.

When I saw the vid I got the impression that good willing people are tempering with something which is BY FAR BEYOND their grasp.

[qbeac]

...Qbeac, have you read/heard of the “Abraxinas thread” on PA1?
There you could witness how people were being manipulated by the “Dragons of Thuban” into a specific agenda.
It was subsequently banned from PA1.

When I saw the vid I got the impression that good willing people are tempering with something which is BY FAR BEYOND their grasp.
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Hi bashi, thanks for your comments. No, I haven’t read “Abraxinas thread” on PA1. Do you know the link?

Very briefly:

My personal opinion about that video (The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation) is that I do not have an opinion yet simply because I do not have enough information about the things the author of the video says.

I really don’t know what to think about it. I mean that since I haven’t researched that subject in depth yet, I simply cannot judge it…… yet.

The guy seems honest and well informed, and he seems to know a lot more than what he says in the video. He says he has scientific proof of some of the things he says and that he will make them public in the near future. He also says very important people in Washington have contacted them because they know that they know what they know.

By the way, in their web site they give many more details about the things he says in the video. For instance, they explain how the “Earth Protection System” works (the electromagnetic field). These are the links:

The Giza Geomatrix web site:
Home presentacion inicial: http://www.gizamap.com
Home page: http://www.gizamap.com/geomatrix/

Now then, even if he were honest, could he be manipulated or mislead?

I have no idea, and I would like to know.

Also, the claim in the video (that they have found a technical way to prevent the alleged 2012 cataclysm, etc.) is a VERY, VERY big claim.

It’s a HUGE claim!!!

And that’s why I am interested in this subject and I would love to hear other people’s opinions, and specially people who know more than I do about this subject or who may have insider knowledge about it (which I don’t).

For instance, I would love to hear Bill Ryan’s opinion about that video (The Giza Geomatrix, Chicago Presentation). Is he around…?

[Celine]

it's always in the "near futur"... sigh..

Bill? Dont think so..he is not logged into the forum yet today.

[Snowbird]

Last night I watched the Chicago Presentation which I found extremely interesting. Today I went over to their web page and watched the other two short video/presentation that they have up. I have linked the site below.

What I call the powerpoint presentation is the most informative and explains just what this is all about. The video of Lucy dowsing is fascinating because the dowsing rod goes nuts at a particular spot. She retests and retests and the thing does the same.

Below, I have copied over a portion of the powerpoint presentation (movie) that helps to explain all of this.

I am wondering if they, the holders of this device, will use it to start another war. It is possible. If this energy is found to be correct, Lucy's channeling of En'Ki will not have been in vain. This thing, may well be the true Ark of the Covenant.

Giza-Bill and Lucinda Brown

http://www.gizamap.com/sub/movies/en/index.html

From the short slide presentation (movie) called: The Giza Geomatrix-Earth protection movie

So then the big 2012 question applies. Through 2012 the cosmic conjunctions will generate unimaginable vibrational/gravitational forces the scientific torque principle may apply to earth, where the secondary forces act against our rotation.

If so, earth will slow down until eventually a magnetic pole shift will take place before zero stop point.

That rendezvous is predicted for 21 December 2012.

There is a more natural solution which would help us through the events of 2012.

The answer was known to the ancient Egyptians and handed down from a time of greater antiquity. They understood earth energies and the need to balance our magnetic shield. The solution lay in a device which can activate the vibrational energies of the great pyramid. Through the ley lines and other pyramid nodes across the earth and out to the ionosphere the vibration can heal and rebalance our magnetic field.

[bluestflame]

what if...the pyramids were created to generate the energy required to anchor us in the holographic illusion

to create an energetic barrier around the earth to prevent us reaching/being reached by the divine

the generators that sustained the prison planet, keeping us in a state of unawareness

what if the ones on mars are the remnants of a successful "breakout", the apparent distruction a result of the "grid going down"

it's all food for thought ...

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the pharohes DID seem to have a fondness for being worshiped as gods

[bashi]

Correction:
As i currently can not edit my posts, here a correction to my last one:

The lady is channeling "Enki" and not "Khufu"

lets see

[sargeist]

Correction:
As i currently can not edit my posts

right click on edit post icon, then open in new tab.

[bashi]

right click on edit post icon, then open in new tab.

thanks, got it

[Operator]

right click on edit post icon, then open in new tab.

I noticed that the advanced edit works too ...

P.S. ... sorry only noticed later that the right click action opens the advanced editor too.

[Luke]

:mod::focus:

[bashi]

Has anybody thought about the originality of the letter from Pike to Mazzini?

It was posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission&p=27254&viewfull=1#post27254

[magnusthor]

Has anybody thought about the originality of the letter from Pike to Mazzini?

It was posted here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?355-The-Anglo-Saxon-Mission&p=27254&viewfull=1#post27254

It fits with everything I've researched thus far. It was supposedly discovered by admiral William Guy Carr and first released in his 1957 book, Pawns in the Game. It should be kept in mind that at the time, WWIII was expected to break out in Central Europe rather than in the Middle East to the best of my knowledge. Also, Pike is responsible for masonry in its current form. They are channeling these demonic trans-dimensional entities in control of this planet so it would make sense that they might reveal something to them, especially someone of Pike's stature. Reciprocal empowerment.

[Luke]

Found today, and I think it's of great relevance to the subject:
The Covert Origins of the Af-Pak War - The Road to World War III
(http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-covert-origins-af-pak-war-road-world-war-iii)

Now that we have an understanding of how the Global Banking Intelligence Complex ran operations through BCCI, let’s look at how some of BCCI’s key players kept operating after the bank was finally shut down. As discussed in the last chapter, during the 1980s and early ’90s, the CIA worked in partnership with BCCI in what was, at the time, the agency’s largest covert operation ever, pumping an estimated $10 billion into funding the Afghan Mujahideen. Through this operation, Osama bin Laden’s al Qaeda network was formed. Bin Laden had accounts in BCCI and ran CIA/BCCI-funded camps.

One of the world’s richest oil fields is on the eastern shore of the Caspian sea, just northeast of Afghanistan. The Caspian oil reserves are of top strategic importance in the quest to control the earth’s remaining oil supply. The U.S. government developed a policy called “The Strategy of the Silk Route.” The strategy was designed to lock out Russia, China, and Iran from the oil in this region. This called for U.S. corporations to construct an oil pipeline running through Afghanistan. Since the mid 1990s, a consortium of US oil companies led by Unocal, which was later bought by Chevron, have been pursuing this goal. The plan was to build a Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline from Turkmenistan’s natural gas fields to Pakistan. Unocal partnered with Saudi Delta Oil, which was owned by al Qeada funders Khalid bin Mahfouz and Mohammed Hussein al-Amoudi, and they formed Central Asia Gas Pipeline, Ltd. (CentGas).

The American oil interests at the heart of this pipeline deal took control of the White House on January 20, 2001, when George Bush Jr. became president. As previously mentioned, Enron was heavily involved in this oil deal. Enron CEO Ken Lay was an old Bush family friend and was Bush Jr.’s biggest campaign contributor. Donald Rumsfeld, who became the Secretary of Defense, was a large stockholder in Enron. Thomas White, former vice-chairman of Enron, became the Secretary of the Army. Condoleezza Rice, a former Chevron board member, became National Security Advisor and then Secretary of State. A major benefactor of the CentGas deal was going to be Halliburton. Dick Cheney, who became Vice President, was Halliburton’s CEO. Richard Armitage, who worked as a key lobbyist for Unocal, became Under Secretary of State. Hamid Karzai, who would later become Afghanistan’s Prime Minister, was a top Unocal adviser.

“Future historians may well agree that the twenty-first century Silk Road first opened for business on December 14, 2009. That was the day a crucial stretch of pipeline officially went into operation linking the fabulously energy-rich state of Turkmenistan (via Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan) to Xinjiang Province in China’s far west….

The bottom line is that, by 2013, Shanghai, Guangzhou, and Hong Kong will be cruising to ever more dizzying economic heights courtesy of natural gas supplied by the 1,833-kilometer-long Central Asia Pipeline, then projected to be operating at full capacity…. When the Bush administration’s armchair generals launched their Global War on Terror, this was not exactly what they had in mind.

Meanwhile, in the New Great Game in Eurasia, China had the good sense not to… get bogged down in an infinite quagmire in Afghanistan. Instead, the Chinese simply made a direct commercial deal with Turkmenistan and, profiting from that country’s disagreements with Moscow, built itself a pipeline which will provide much of the natural gas it needs.

No wonder the Obama administration’s Eurasian energy czar Richard Morningstar was forced to admit at a congressional hearing that the U.S. simply cannot compete with China when it comes to Central Asia’s energy wealth. If only he had delivered the same message to the Pentagon….

If China has so far proven masterly in the way it has played its cards in its Pipelineistan ‘war’, the U.S. hand — bypass Russia, elbow out China, isolate Iran — may soon be called for what it is: a bluff.”

“[Pakistan] is handing over de facto control of the strategic Gilgit-Baltistan region in the northwest corner of disputed Kashmir to China.

The entire Pakistan-occupied western portion of Kashmir stretching from Gilgit in the north to Azad (Free) Kashmir in the south is closed to the world, in contrast to the media access that India permits in the eastern part, where it is combating a Pakistan-backed insurgency. But reports from a variety of foreign intelligence sources… reveal two important new developments in Gilgit-Baltistan: a simmering rebellion against Pakistani rule and the influx of an estimated 7,000 to 11,000 soldiers of the [Chinese] People’s Liberation Army.

China wants a grip on the region to assure unfettered road and rail access to the Gulf through Pakistan. It takes 16 to 25 days for Chinese oil tankers to reach the Gulf. When high-speed rail and road links through Gilgit and Baltistan are completed, China will be able to transport cargo from Eastern China to the new Chinese-built Pakistani naval bases at Gwadar, Pasni and Ormara, just east of the Gulf, within 48 hours.”
It seems strategic reality validates what was just few month's ago a whistleblower's testimony from secret meeting.

[bashi]

It fits with everything I've researched thus far. It was supposedly discovered by admiral William Guy Carr and first released in his 1957 book, Pawns in the Game. It should be kept in mind that at the time, WWIII was expected to break out in Central Europe rather than in the Middle East to the best of my knowledge. Also, Pike is responsible for masonry in its current form. They are channeling these demonic trans-dimensional entities in control of this planet so it would make sense that they might reveal something to them, especially someone of Pike's stature. Reciprocal empowerment.

but the wording can not be correct. the words supposedly used in the letter were not even existing at that time.

[Lita]

Great information thank you.
I paid attention to my reactions as I usually do.. I didn't react in any way, this plan won't happen....not in my reality anyway.
Bill is right in what he says, and we have waited for the vibration of the people to come up.. they can plan all they like...

On the 2011 and the 'event' whatever it is, first thing that came to mind was what is supposed to happen in 2012, Ian Lundgold says it starts in Feb 2011 and finishes in Oct 2011 not 2012.. and its not about destruction maybe we do come into much more of our power then and they don't want that. ..
These are just my thoughts.

[Rocky_Shorz]

now a whole new piece of the puzzle has emerged knowing the Fed Reserve's 100 year agreement is coming to an end... on the Mayan Calendar's last day...

Obama will still be President, will he take a stand against the Fed, close it down and file Bankruptcy for America restarting a new money system with all debt washed away?

Will the PTB spend the Billions on ads to convince us we can't survive without them?

My bet is every event leading to that date is planned for just that reason...

[magnusthor]

but the wording can not be correct. the words supposedly used in the letter were not even existing at that time.

But all these movements an organizations were financed by Skull & Bones members etc.

Read "the Hitler Project" chapter in Webster Tarpley's "George Bush: The Unauthorized Biography". It is available for free at his website. He documents how all these secret societies members not only financed these movements, but secured their way into power, for example when the German government wanted to overthrow Hitler's SA in 1932. Prescott Bush and his associates intervened.

Another example: I met recently with a British man, 92-years old, who was rather perplexed over why Hitler could not be killed. He designed and built the bomb that was used in one of the assassination attempts, where they were in champagne bottles put on Hitler's aircraft (the plot is in the recent Hollywood movie, Valkyrie). For some reason the weather was bad so they had to fly over it; the bomb froze and deactivated. At least 50 assassination attempt came very close and failed. The Valkyrie plot itself is so awe-striking since about 5 extremely unlikely things went wrong; had one of them not occurred, Hitler would have died with 100% certainty. This is why Hitler believed he was divinely ordained, for these coincidences were way beyond coincidental. He was right in a sense, except it wasn't divine; it was demonic. This man was convinced that some demonic force was preventing them from killing Hitler. You can imagine his astonishment when I quoted Dietrick Eckhart of the Thule Society for him, which said right before his death in 1923: "Follow Hitler! He will dance, but it is I who have called the tune! I have initiated him into the 'Secret Doctrine', opened his centres of vision and given him the means to communicate with the Powers. Do not mourn for me: for I shall have influenced history more than any other German." These demonic powers were in control of the Thule Society as well.

Now compare with the plan:
"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

This is why Hitler could not be killed; he was needed for the annihilation of Nazism and the excuse for the creation of Israel. Had he been killed, the German generals would have sought an early end to the war and salvaged what they could.

In short, they would have known the words and terms for they created them all well in advance.

[Project_Buggy_Beach]

The idea of a better chance at survival if the population is decreased does make a sort of sick logical sense, thanks for this introspection Bill.

[Operator]

The idea of a better chance at survival if the population is decreased does make a sort of sick logical sense, thanks for this introspection Bill.

The remaining bunch is going to fight for survival ... the less you have to fight the bigger is your own chance ...

[bashi]

In short, they would have known the words and terms for they created them all well in advance.

I agree that there is circumstantial evidence, like the G. Guidestones etc.

The argument that the later use of the wording proofs the letter, is not applicable, because the wording was not used in a letter by Pike.

[bashi]

If you go back, very far back, you will find the following:

In “Pawns in the Game” on page 11 the following quote of the letter:

“We shall unleash the Nihilists and Atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with christianity, whose deistic spirits will be from that moment without compass (direction), anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer brought finally out in the public view, a manifestation which will result from the general
reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of christianity and atheism, both
conquered and exterminated at the same time.”

These words were “taken from the letter catalogued in the British
Museum Library, London, Eng.“ (Carr)

But there is no such letter catalogued in the BML. I have checked that.

The masons are, of course, also having their field day:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/pike_mazzini.html

The letter could have been removed, but as a further proof Carr states that the Eminence Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez, Archbishop of Santiago, Chile had seen that letter and transcribed it and quoted from it in his book “The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled”.

Carr further says:
“He (the Cardinal) produces a great deal of documentary evidence to prove that not even 32nd and 33rd degree Masons know what goes on in the Lodges of the Grand Orient and Pike’s New and Reformed Palladian Rite…
On page 108 the Cardinal quotes the authority Margiotta to prove that before Pike selected Lemmi to succeed Mazzini as Director of the World Revolutionary Movement Lemmi was a rabid and confirmed Satanist. But after he had been selected he was initiated into the Luciferian ideology.”


The Palladian Rite was supposedly an invention by a hoaxer called Leo Taxil. At least its what Taxil claims.
Margiotta was a high ranking Mason who was uncomfortable by the plans revealed to him in the upper echelon of the masons. He quit and became a Christian.
Of course here also the Masons have their own version of the “truth”:

http://freemasonry.bcy.ca/texts/taxil_confessed.html

Essentially they claim that Margiotta became victim of Taxil’s elaborate hoax which caused him to quit.


So who was this Margiotta?

Domenico Margiotta was a very high ranking Mason, who – I think – was not likely to quit because of the hoax of a rejected cartoonist.
In Masonry, before his demission, he was

- Secretary of the Lodge Savonarola of Florence;
- Venerable of the Lodge Giordano Bruno of Palmi;
- Sovereign Grand Inspector General, 33rd degree, of the Ancient and Accepted Scotch Rite;
- Sovereign Prince of the Order (33rd ..., 90th ..., 95th ...,) of the Rite of Memphis and Misraïm;
- Acting Member of the Sovereign Sanctuary of the Oriental Order of Memphis and Misraïm of Naples;
- Inspector of the Misraïm Lodges of the Calabrias and of Sicily;
- Honorary Member of the National Grand Orient of Haiti
- Acting Member of the Supreme Federal Council of Naples;
- Inspector-General of all the Masonic Lodges of the three Calabrias;
- Grand Master, ad vitam, of the Oriental Masonic Order of Misraïm or Egypt (90th degree) of Paris;
- Commander of the Order of Knights-Defenders of Universal Masonry;
- Honorary Member, ad vitam, of the Supreme General Council of the Italian Federation of Palermo;
- Permanent Inspector and Sovereign Delegate of the Grand Central Directory of Naples for Europe (Universal High-grade Masonry),

and, -according to his own portrait :

- Member of the New Reformed Palladium.



All this does not count for me, but this:

“The experience was at Naples under the roof of Pessina, about half-past
ten in the evening, after a Lodge meeting of the Misraïm rite. Then and there, as a matter of cordial good fellowship, the accommodating Imperial Grand Master evoked a devil to give evidence of his actuality to Margiotta, who, in spite of the episode of the goat, still posed as a doubting Thomas. It was managed by means of a whisky-bottle, out of which, after certain invocations and magical ceremonies, a vapour rose mysteriously, and resolved itself into a human figure, wearing a golden crown, with a brilliant star in the middle. According to the picture which accompanies this delicious narrative, the apparition had thewings of a bat and a tail of the bovine class. It was Beffabuc, the familiar of the magician, who begged him to enlighten the sceptic, but the latter, according to the apparition, was protected by a higher power and would never be persuaded to believe in him. Signor Margiotta gives the names of all who were present at the evocation—twelve members of the 33rd degree, to say nothing of Misraïm dignities.”

So Margiotta was high up in the hierarchy involved in magic rituals.
What is he saying about Mazzini and his plan:

I translated Margiottas original french treatise by babelfish:

“In a lampoon conceived with a logic relentless, Albert Pike recalls them clearly broad outlines of its dogmatic, but also on all the general level of its policy sectarian. By a masterly introduction, as through a strange gantry, the Large one Pontife Luciférien leads us centre of mysterious darkness of the Temple, with the vision of the True Light, to meditate on the terrifantes predictions like oracles of Ancient pythea, and on the suggestions of the infernal power qu' he calls upon and qu' he adores. By its mouth sacrilege the Genius of the Evil reveals its projects of universal destruction and we gives the reason d' to be of the sect infernal. Then, it makes us the enumeration of the followers of all religions of the sphere: intentionally it assigns with the Catholic religion a secondary row, and is devoted to whimsical groupings. For the need for its cause and by perfidious deductions, it places in the rays of True Light all those which are not in the bosom of Roman Church; it them embrigade and mobilizes them opposite with l' enemy under l' standard of the God-Good. Here in the camp of Lucifer deployed in line of battle the Buddhists flashes already by the True one Light, mohamétans and Jews bathing in his immense half-light, Protestants there going boldly. In l' another camp, here, dust d' cursed men, these catholics, dedicated to l' obscurantism. It quotes also the vulgum pecus of 130 d' million; idolàtres, fetishists and admirers of various idols, making band with share, formant l' formidable stake of both combatants, the price of the victory, l' animated vili on which s' will exert the universal maconnic power! Voice encores rejected, the cursed ones, a few million free thinkers deists, and two d' million; atheists, dedicated by the Large Luciférien Pontiff with the reprobation of the sect, threats d' a complete extermination, or d' a conversion into mass with the religion of the True Light. Here thus two involved enemies. I make you grace, friendly readers, of description qu' it gives us epic and universal fray which s' will follow, extraordinary shock of these unchained elements the ones against the others. The large pontiff luciférien predicts the defeat of Catholicism, and continuing his dark prophecy, it describes us wandering in search d' a throne and d' furnace bridge the Pope d' Adonaï.”


Supposedly the Reformed Palladian Rite (RPR) was a hoax.
But it is said that in reality, the RPR was only temporarily dysfunctional because of the publicity. It is further said that later it became acitve again, after going through a restructure in Italy.
One of the offsprings of that restructure was a new, reformed Palladian group, shortly called P2...

So where does all the digging lead to?
In my opinion: A very pessimistic view of the future…

[Gone002]

Im unsure of this becasue the message was unclear, does that mean everyone but anglo-saxon's will be killed off ?

[Seikou-Kishi]

No Celt I doubt it, I think it refers to the white/Anlgophone countries, probably other European countries too

Seki

[Gone002]

cool thanks for clearing that seki

[Rocky_Shorz]

ecoli superbug...

al queda attack, or are the plans moving forward to destroy food supplies spreading a deadly disease at the same time?


this sounds bad...


Deadly E. coli mixes common toxin with rare "glue"

(Reuters) - Scientists probing the deadly E. coli strain in Europe are finding the bacteria combines a highly poisonous, but common, toxin with a rarely seen "glue" that binds it to a patient's intestines.

It may take months for the global team of researchers to fully understand the characteristics of the bacteria that has killed at least 17 people in Europe and sickened 1,500. But they fear this E. coli strain is the most toxic yet to hit a human population.

Most Escherichia coli or E. coli bacteria are harmless. The strain that is sickening people in Germany and other parts of Europe, known as 0104:H4, is part of a class of bacteria known as Shiga toxin-producing Escherichia coli, or STEC.

This class has the ability to stick to intestinal walls where it pumps out toxins, causing diarrhea and vomiting. In severe cases, it causes hemolytic uremic syndrome or HUS, attacking the kidneys and causing coma, seizure and stroke... link (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/02/us-ecoli-strain-idUSTRE7517MT20110602)

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now is everyone starting to understand why it is important to get started on vertical farming?

now all European food is going to be quarantined/destroyed, the Superbug has already been found in Milk...


the News just announced Russia just banned all fresh foods from the affected areas, next livestock...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Source: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/wor...-1226068503826

New strain of MRSA superbug found in milk

* From correspondents in London
* From: AFP
* June 03, 2011 10:19AM

AN entirely new strain of the drug-resistant MRSA superbug has been found in cow's milk and people in Britain and Denmark.

The previously unseen variant "potentially poses a public health problem," said lead researcher Mark Holmes, senior lecturer in preventive veterinary medicine at Cambridge University.

There was no general threat to the safety of pasteurized milk and dairy products, but people working with animals could be at risk, said the study published in The Lancet Infectious Diseases...

expert link... (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=168157&highlight=coli)

causing Kidney failure?

[Rocky_Shorz]

for those that remember our talk about how the Koch Brothers had launched and led the tea party...

this might raise your eyebrows from the German Doctor's first post


The source of the infection is unknown; Robert Koch-Institute is involved...

[Rocky_Shorz]

The plot thickens...

Koch Industries, weather changes... (http://www.ambienttv.net/content/?q=whoowns)


The financial instruments of weather derivatives can help corporations manage their exposure to weather conditions whose effects on demand cannot be adequately compensated for by pricing. And unlike insurance, weather derivatives pay out when the index (of rainfall, temperature, etc.) hits a threshold, without the buyer needing to prove damages through claims procedures. The weather derivatives market was born in 1997 after deregulation of the US energy industry, when energy resellers realised that they were exposed to dramatic volatility in demand related to weather. A hedge was needed against the weather events that drove energy demand, and the first instrument was structured in a transaction between Koch Industries Inc., and Enron Corp. based on a temperature index for Milwaukee in such a way that Enron would pay Koch each day the temperature fell below normal (per degree), while Koch would pay for every degree above normal on warmer days...

[Rocky_Shorz]

The Chemtrails of San Diego are forming into clouds right now, crossing the mountains to water our crops...

any news company wanting proof get a chopper up to collect samples...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Go VW!!!


This is not a joke and they do sell for $600.00 they won't be able to make them fast enough--be good just to run around town.

Here's a car that will get you back and forth to work on the cheap.......

$600 for the car.

258 miles per gallon...

Only a one-seater, however

Talk about cheap transportation .......

Volkswagen's $600 car gets 258 mpg -- It looks like Ford, Chrysler and GM missed the boat again!



this isn't something that would upset an oil man is it? ;)7875

[thunder24]

where can i get one of those?
dang
peace

[firstlook]

258? Thats great!

[Rocky_Shorz]

cheap all electric will be next...

[Carmody]

It will always be in the future, they will never put it in your hands.

Do not allow promises anymore.

Get off your duff (backside) and FORCE answers into existence.

After all, they do the same to you.

as for the e-coli.....MMS will and does stop such things.

[Rocky_Shorz]

7876

like putting an image into public domain which releases all patents being held back from creating it?

[Operator]

It will always be in the future, they will never put it in your hands.

Good point I always wondered too ... what happened to all those futuristic concept cars.

You only see them at shows ... but never in the streets !

[Rocky_Shorz]

update on the $600 VW...


Volkswagen is calling it the "World's Most Economical car", but the price (get ready for this) is not going to be 4000RMB or $600.00 US as rumors had it. Official reports have it in the $25,900.00 price range, and that Volkswagen will be making a limited number for release in 2010.

Putting things in perspective, you could drive from Los Angeles to New York with less than 10 gallons of fuel, which will put the cost of fuel for the trip at under $30.00. Now, how do you get your luggage from L.A. to N.Y. is another story... link (http://thevolkyland.com/news/238-china-based-vw-single-seater-prototype-gets-258mpg-and-sells-for-600-fact-or-rumor.html)

[Carmody]

A Chief NASA scientist, Dennis Bushnell has came out in support of Andrea Rossi's E-Cat technology, but denies any type of nuclear fusion is taking place, saying it is probably beta decay per the Widom Larson Theory. Repackaging the terminology to avoid embarrassment will not erase over twenty years of suppression and the reality of cold fusion!

http://pesn.com/2011/05/31/9501837_Cold-Fusion_Number-1_Claims_NASA_Chief/

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bashi I hope you don't mind I'm bringing this across from the disclosure thread...




So, as this type of “Diclosure” goes ahead, what will be the likely out roll of events?

First: The appearance of dead animals will increase.
All over the world masses of smaller animals will be found, whose cause of death at first sight seems to be environmentally related. We are currently in this stage. This will draw the huge crowd of environmentalists into the game as witnesses of the alternative media discussion.

Then animal deaths will occur which are undoubtedly can not be related to any poison or pollution, but where the real cause will still remain a mystery... These deaths will occur in more remote areas, where the real cause – intervention by technical means – will not be witnessed.

At the same time the public display of UFO over cities will increase so that the government will make an announcement like “Whatever They are, we decided to react passive and will be friendly towards Them” which will be received with great support by the benign part of the masses. A General “P”. will be placed into the limelight who demands aggressive defensive measures, but his performance is only for the part of the masses whose approach towards aliens is aggressive. The real target are the people who are open for contact with aliens - humans who are believing that there is a friendly universe out there. Many phases of the false flag operation are implemented only to convince these Believers that their approach is wrong..

Then the stakes will be set higher: Dead mammals like cows, sheep and wildlife will be found in masses.

Next step is a display of UFO lights together with the mass deaths.
The alternative media will be used to disseminate the “truth” slowly into the public: That the mass deaths are related with the UFO sightings!
Now the Believers are held in a state of cognitive dissonance, which will be further intensified.
But Government will keep mum on the deaths and will “officially” pursue a friendly stance towards the unknown visitors, which will more and more frequently show up over major population centers.



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Mystery disease kills 300 sheep within an hour !

"Published Saturday, May 28, 2011

A Saudi farmer who went into his barn to take his 300 sheep on their daily pasturing was shocked when he found them all dead, a newspaper in the Gulf Kingdom said on Saturday.

The farm said he checked the sheep an hour earlier and they were all alive in their barn at his far in the western town of Qunfudha.

The unnamed farmer had owned the sheep for years and they were his sole source of living for his family of 16.

“Inspectors at the ministry of agriculture said they had taken samples from the dead sheep to determine the cause of their death,” the Arabic language daily Sabq said."

http://www.emirates247.com/news/region/mystery-disease-kills-300-sheep-within-an-hour-2011-05-28-1.398248


NO COMMENT...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Koch Industries Inc. bought 25,000 tons of naphtha for first-half April delivery from Glencore International AG at $878 a ton. link (http://www.petrosilicon.com/20111002/koch-industries-inc-bought-25000-tons-naphtha-first-half-april-delivery-glencore-internatio)



Common use is as lighter fluids and feedstock for chemical processes.

link (http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_chemical_formula_of_naphtha#ixzz1OKsNy1g6)


strange timing along with new improved chemtrails... :confused:

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bingo...

http://chemtrails.cc/docs/Stadis450_antistatic_additive_MSDS.pdf

[Rocky_Shorz]

what's going on? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22185-Attorney-sues-german-chancellor-to-reveal-planned-false-flag-event-on-26th-of-June&p=236808#post236808)

Military experiment? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21690-E.coli-cucumber-scare-Germany-seeks-source-of-outbreak&p=236001&viewfull=1#post236001)

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hey Bill,

don't get too spun up on the 18 right now, word of False flag attack for June 26th...

e coli outbreak... accidental release that uncovered their plans...

Back to work everyone!!!

I saw an image of several arrests that I am guessing will never make it into the news, but it isn't done yet...

The Atticus bombshell dropped right when our attention was brought back to the anglo saxon mission.

that should be the only hint you need knowing their tools...

[Rocky_Shorz]

for all of you Senior Sleuths returning to action, I could really use some attention over here...

I've never heard of Israeli extremist before but saw a glimpse last night that has me worried, leaking this bio-weapon e coli as a warning to those wanting to create a Palestinian state through a UN vote.

I know Bill is too busy for this right now, but could use help digging to the bottom on this one.

[Rocky_Shorz]

even though it is only coming out as conspiracy rumors...


A so called “confidential” newsletter on politics and economics (subscription with costs: http://www.vertraulicher.li/ (“Vertraulicher Schweizer Brief” = “Confidential swiss letter“)) reported that agents of the German foreign intelligence agency BND (Bundesnachrichtendienst = Federal Intelligence Service)) have met agents of other European countries and U.S agents at an assessment center near Paris to discuss the EHEC outbreak as a potential terror attack of certain North-African islamic terror groups (especially from Algeria) as some kind of “feces-jihad”. EHEC-germs might have been placed intentionally and simultaneously at different market places for foodstuffs, mainly in Germany.

Central Market Hamburg (“Großmarkt Hamburg”) is such a huge distribution center for foodstuffs.

Keep in mind: The city of Hamburg, which has been hit hardest by EHEC-cases so far, had also been a place of domicile for Mohamed Atta, one of the terrorists of the 9/11 attack... link (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=410859#post410859)

[Rocky_Shorz]

from the same page...


EHEC bacteria from the army lab?


If true, the message that it would be a scandal bigger than the previously encountered deaths related to EHEC. As the online portal "Kopp online" news reports, will author Udo Ulfkotte have information that make a connection with the illness secret biological weapons projects of the Bundeswehr.



The fact is that the EHEC-germ (enterohemorrhagic Escherichia coli) since the onset of diseases prepares microbiologists in the whole country a major headache. After the deciphering of the genome of the new pathogen, together with a colleague from Beijing said Thursday the bacteriologist Holger Rohde of the University Hospital Hamburg-Eppendorf (UKE) to IMAGE Online: "We can see that it is actually new to one, not yet described variant of this virus is "And again:". This strain is only a very distant relative of the common EHEC bacteria.

According to the WHO expert on food safety, Hilde Kruse, the strain was isolated as never before in a human.
Because of genetic recombination is the germ of an extremely resistant, to produce the other under the name "HUSEC041 (O104: H4)" Deciphering new agents in the gut extraordinarily powerful poisons, called Shiga toxins. "We are seeing unexpected disease processes that were unknown until now," said the director of the Medical Clinic I at the site of the Lübeck University Clinic of Schleswig-Holstein (UKSH), Hendrik Lehnert, told SPIEGEL ONLINE. What the doctors are very shaken addition to increasing numbers of cases of the fatal form of hemolytic-uremic syndrome (HUS, a severe diarrheal disease) and massive deficits such as speech problems, seizures or epilepsy, which suggest that the participation of the brain... link (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=410880&postcount=5)

[Rocky_Shorz]

'It surprised us completely that the strain has caused such serious illness in such a short period of time,' said Professor Helge Karch. One quirk was its ability to produce substances that disable antibiotics... link (http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/health/news/article_1641694.php/Scientists-identify-source-of-lethal-bug-in-Germany)

and now the same professor is saying...


Germany's Robert Koch Institute (RKI) today quoted a German expert as saying that the outbreak strain is not new. The RKI said Professor Helge Karch, director of the HUS Consultant Laboratory in Muenster, published information stressing that "reports stating that the current pathogen is a completely new strain are not correct."... link (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showpost.php?p=410867&postcount=1)

so he is admitting they knew about this strain, but have never seen it cause such a serious infection so quickly, or have such resistance to antibiotics...

[thunder24]

E. coli found in 11 people in North east tn. sounds like its getting around
peace

scare tactics

[Rocky_Shorz]

not the same bug...

e coli is in most of our systems, the difference is the bug in Germany had been modified so none of the normal treatments will touch it.

It was created to destroy populations quickly without affecting infrastructures...

[Shadowstar1370]

Hey Bill, in response to the piece in your video about the symbolism of the New World Order and the possibility of their end goal being the inheritors of a Post Apocalyptic Humanity, I would like to direct you to Volume 1 of The Secret Doctrine by Helena Petrovna Blavatsky. She explains in great detail about the Atlanteans and Lemurians being destroyed in great cataclysms, and that the secret of our ancestors' technology was that it was less technological than it was an understanding of their own abilities. The flying machines, for instance, were conjured elementals bound by the thoughts of the pilots into practical shapes. She confirms what you, Hoover, Birnes, and the others say every step of the way as well as the logic of the Controllers. The Controllers and Blavatsky agree that this has all happened before, it will happen again, so let's be prepared and get it right.

[norman]

I just went to have another listen to this AngloSaxon Mission thing and found that it's completely dissapeared from the web.

Does anyone know where I can get it from?

[Jay]

this link? http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html

[norman]

this link? http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html

But if you actually click on the links, nothing downloads.

The YouTube versions have gone too.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

Dear All:

Important

Two years after my last contact with the whistleblower who gave me the Anglo Saxon Mission information, I have just now heard from him again. I copy his message here in full, with his name redacted.




Dear Bill,

It's been a while and I do hope all is well with you and yours as we enter into 2012.

I've just been re-visiting the work we did together and it would appear that everything that came out from this is coming to be quite true.

I mentioned the war in the Middle East, resulting in a world war, occurring some 18 months after our contact - almost 2 years have now past and I feel we are now on the cusp.

I'm really hoping with all my heart this will not occur, yet something within me is saying this is all quite irreversible.

My very best wishes,
[name supplied and confirmed]

For those of you who are unfamiliar with this important testimony, please read this:

http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_en.html


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw4z-rSwNjY

[Amysenthia]

Thanks for the update Bill. Scary news that I hope isn't going to be true, but nice to hear from you.

[Mark]

This is unsettling confirmation but seems to indeed be on point and the culmination of plans laid out for quite some time now. The issues at the heart of this mission are those directly inimical to moving forward in unity. Designer ethnic viruses, genocide, warfare, a ratcheting up of plans and technologies already in existence, already deployed, albeit in a more limited fashion. Considering the time and the # of people concentrating upon other issues or looking for salvation elsewhere, it is a bit of a wake-up call to be reminded that the schedule is still in place and everything still seems to be going according to plan. Thank you for the update, Bill.

[Eric]

Threatening a US carrier and test firing missiles.

is this truth or media hype?

one has to wonder what can be done to prevent it ( the sound of inevitability )

What could the insiders at the city of london do to prevent it ?

Eric

[Bill Ryan]

a bit of a wake-up call to be reminded that the schedule is still in place and everything still seems to be going according to plan.

It might explain why I've found myself re-established in Vilcabamba -- something I absolutely never planned.

[Mark]

Apparently this is the space of your destiny. The surroundings that you've found yourself in are certainly physically amazing, from the pictures I've seen, which gives you the mental and spiritual space, as well as the distance, to encompass the largest framework, from your personal space to greater, collective space. I'm sure there are other reasons why you are there as well. I think I've seen you state previously that you've had some synchronous encounters there. 6 degrees of separation is only 3.5 degrees now (http://www.thestar.com/business/article/1090628--forget-six-degrees-of-separation-it-s-more-like-3-5-now), so there is no telling what the near-future might hold or where it might lead you or any of us.

[Eric]

Same here Bill

I was established on a different continent
no idea I would end up where I am now , without really thinking and rationalising, things just conspired.
Now I'm here I 've come to the conclusion there are people here who need me,
regardless of what happens.

If a wave of whatever (energy, water,people, bombs etc ) shows up here then this is where we make our stand.

If David icke is right ........... it doesn't really matter ;-)

if nothing happens then we can go forward and at least try and make this place a better world.

we will see

[christian]

a bit of a wake-up call to be reminded that the schedule is still in place and everything still seems to be going according to plan.

It might explain why I've found myself re-established in Vilcabamba -- something I absolutely never planned.

Some deliberately go to war zones, that's why so many volunteers came to earth at this time and I definitely consider you one of them.

But important tasks are to be found everywhere and foremost within, no worries.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi all Scarey Stuff, I hope this can be avoided and I feel hopefull....No particular reason other than i think we are waking up and even the military especially the US who
would bear the brunt , must realise how foolish and idiotic a world war would be....

Never the less history has been another interest of mine since a boy, and everything comes round in cycles, and the proverb 'History repeats itself' is well justified..
putting this knowledge together with the manipulation we have been uncovering here, it makes a lot more sence...
War is power,proffit for the elites since day one, possibly part of our Annunaki programming ?? As we know its complex , posturing and positioning there is
a whole ream of possibilities. The Banking elites fund all sides , and the collapse of economies and reccession is a classic build up for major conflict, and apart
from massive loss of life ( possibly to do with David Ickes Theory that entities thrive off the fear of the dieing ) it gets the population back to work in
armament factories and recostruction after....

The trouble with that I fear WWIII especially if it went nuclear would go beyond that and may create the devistation and culling TPTB have indicated via
Denver airport murial, Georgia guide stones.......( I did ask Ion via Email and asked whether Israel was going to nuke Iran in the near future and he said yes)
I have posted the link to the show on here before , I hope he is wrong !! Although this is all part of the change of Atmosphere to be more radioactive , to trigger a change in our RNA ,DNA chromozone 14 to help with ascension !!again this is more complex , but Fukushima and the release of radiation is part of it ??

With the announcement of cold fusion which if true will brighten our future but will, as James said will take years for the inrastructure to kick in and the oil
era is still King for now......and will be irrelevent if things Kick off ...

I'm going to listen to the interview now again and finnish this later .... I have so much to say but it is difficult to put in words!!! as I suspect we all have....Steve

[Belle]

I thought before people get into fear about the Anglo-Saxon Mission, it might be of benefit to (re)read his recommendations to us.

Taken from the interview transcript:


B: What can ordinary people do? How should they react? How should they think? Do you personally feel that this is inevitable? Do you think we're all doomed in some way?

W: No, absolutely not. I've often thought about this, Bill, and this of course is a personal view: We will endure. But to endure, from one person to the next, is not to work for them anymore. It's to stop working for them. It's not to react violently against them because they'll win. They would love that to happen, then it gives them an excuse. They breed on fear and violence -- the reaction from fear. That would be like bees to honey for them. They would love that to happen.

What's needed is non-violent reaction: simply just not doing the job for them any more. To give a comparison, Bill. There was a man who history has largely ignored. He was a Frenchman, by the name of Jean Jaurès. It's always surprised me why this incredible character has never entered the history books. He's quite well known in France in some circles, but not widely known.

He predicted the First World War happening. He wanted the International Workers' Movement to not comply with the royal families and aristocracy, and when you read about him you'll find this out yourself. Just a couple of months before the outbreak, when the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand took place in Serbia, Jaurès was assassinated in a French café. They killed him. He was shot dead, and with him went that movement.

Prior to World War One, he saw the writing on the wall. He saw the aristocracies and the royal families of Europe pitting themselves against one another, in a big battle. He knew that France and Germany, the United Kingdom were all industrialized nations. He further realized that being industrialized, the next war will be an industrial war where millions of people might be killed.

He formed a movement which some have termed as communist. It was the International Workers' Movement, and it's got nothing to do with politics. His idea was for the ordinary person not to do anything, not to go to war, just stay at home and they wouldn't have the war they wanted.

I personally believe that if non-violence is adopted and people become more awake to what's happening, then these people very, very quickly lose the power that they've got. They feed on power. They feed on fear. So if you take these elements away from them they become powerless. They need us to do what they're doing. They can't do it on their own even though they'll be damn dangerous in any event, but they can't do it all on their own.

And that would be my message is just to wake up a bit, see what's happening about us, put our heads above the parapet and without fearing to do that, without feeling afraid, take a deep breath, have a look around, see what's happening, and then people will soon realize: Oh yeah. Okay. This is where we're gonna go. This is where we're heading and there's not much I can do about it. But they can!

As I've said, it's not to react violently. And if people are in positions where these people need them, just don't work for them. Just stop working for them. Take your labor away because they need the troops who are going to do this work. We're not just talking about people in the military. We're talking about every civilian member in all the populations right across the globe. Just say: No, because this is not us. This is not what we want to do.

And it's making that choice. It sounds ridiculously simple. I think the execution of it is that simple and it's well within our power as human beings, conscious living, breathing, human beings who have a shared compassion for one another to do that. Because if we don't, they'll carry on and then they'll realize their endgame.

[golden lady]

How very weird. Only this afternoon something drove me to revisit this. I had earlier been looking at the Mitchell Coombes thread, trying to connect dots I guess. Then just logged on this eve and saw this update.
Thanks Belle for the above. I will now also read the transcript.

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Bill I have listened to the interview again 'three' times and as you say there is so much going on, you can forget important bits of info and I reconise
most of what you eloquently presented ......as either happened or being put in place with legislation etc, hopefully intelligence people are reading this
and questioning their role in helping the PTB....They obviously think they are patriotic and serving their countries interrests !!!

But remember Hitlers 'Brown shirts' and SS/Gestapo ....'History repeats itselfe'....What are you going to tell your grandchildren if you play your part in this
roll out , even if you don't reconise what we are discussing.....Open your eyes and 'wonder why are we always at war and killing our fellow human beings !!

Something in this world does not feel right....We all know killing is wrong, so if you are in a position of power , its time to look into your 'heart/soul'
( if you have got them!! ) and just open your eyes and say to yourselfe...'.Why am I blind to the woes of the world..'

[Cidersomerset]

Back Again with ref to David Icke that we are all infinate conciousness it reminds me again what Ion and the gang are on about ,I posted this a few months ago
and although there are differences , this is my iterpretation what they were talking about so its only my view and I maybe misinterpreting it....

13th October 2011 22:24 #1


Default ION and assension update..

Hi I'll just add this to the mix, I was listening to Ion on Cash flow last night, at the beginning of the show they referenced the fact that we have just had the 2nd blood moon recently, There was one last December, from their Ion said 2012 is now ........ and in the next couple of months we are going to get the 'sackcloth sun' which he/she said will be obvious when it happens ?

Its a biblical reference......Revelation 6.12

12When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake, and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood, 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth as the fig tree sheds its winter fruit when shaken by a gale. 14 The sky vanished like a scroll that is being rolled up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place. 15Then the kings of the earth and the great ones and the generals and the rich and the powerful, and everyone, slave[e] and free, hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains, 16 calling to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who is seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb, 17for the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?

They said this was a ref to the Earth Quake in Japan, and the release of radiation H197 in the atmosphere. Ion has made ref. That a mass exodus event from the planet is imminent, although he is not specific as there is no time ???

http://informationfarm.blogspot.com/...radiation.html


The basic story he/she has been saying for the past two years he/she( Enviroment) has been able to communicate with us via the digital meme, There is no one God, we are all Gods and eons ago we descended from our godship for a change of contrast.
We left clues along the way in the bible and other places to help us reascend. While we were on this journey when our physical bodies died 'Meat sack bodies' our non- physical which is the greater part of us went to the 'Guf' Hebrew for heaven, and we sort of reincarnated but not in the hindu sence, more as when we are in the guf we become linked so we return to mortal form with elements of other non-physicals.

Anyway we are eternal entities experiancing a mortal contrast, time is coming for us to reascend and become immortal , Eternal beings again.Thats why the Guf is emptying and why there is so many people here, even though many die every day, the turn around in the Guf is happening quicker.........

This is all to do with isotope H197 radiation triggering chromosone 14 , the only chromozone with double helix's arms and rings.Its RNA not DNA which replicates the cells so that the meatsack body will become imortal, because now every 7 years every cell in the body is replicasted until we get to 49 then they stop, and the ageing process set in. But after this ascension process our bodies will be able to replicate themsevles indefinatly thru the RNA and we will become physically imortal as well as the eternal 'God' we have always been....

This is my interpretation of What Ion has been saying , I have posted similar posts in more detail on here several times hoping someone else has been following them, but no responce I have seen yet..This is only a brief overlay ...

I don't know if this is true or not, but reasonates in me somehow.....The credentials of the charectors on the show are good. Bill and Kerry interviewed James Martinez in nov 2009 on mp3.That is how I became aware of him, and listened to his show 'Cash flow' out of curiosity before I knew of Ions existance'
Kerrys/bills interview was not about Ion, but James former buiseness parter Walter Bowarte author of operation mind control......I asked Bill a few weeks ago about his thoughts on Ion, he said it was something he had heard about and was going to look into more when he had time.......Jame Martinez said a month ago he was going to be interviewed by Kerry again, but with both having busy schedules this has not happened yet !

Finally James said on last weeks show that he had been in touch with Jesse Ventura team about a possible interview about mind control and introducing Ion to a tv audiance.
All in all very interesting stuff , but the main reason for bringing it up is that, if there is anything to this it is supposed to happening soon? as far as I can see !!!!

Cheers Steve

[Taurean]

Fits in with recent attempts to tighten up domestic Gun controls in the UK.

They ignored the protests when they led us into Iraq, maybe they think the protests will be a bit stronger this time ?

I've always found it curious why Tony Blair embraced Catholicism when he left office, maybe he was upgrading his membership with P2 which appears to be the heart of Zionism and the committee of 300.

Fulford has yet again lit a few more lights down the path.


At this point I was contacted by Leo Zagami, who
claimed to be a representative of the P2 Freemasonic Lodge
based in Monte Carlo. Later I was invited to Italy where I
met about a dozen P2 lodge members.
We must remember, when reading the following, that secret
societies tell a mix of legend and true history when they
talk about themselves. The story told to me by the P2 people
was that their group was given a mandate 26,000 years ago
by off-world beings to control human history according to a
predetermined plot.
According to them, their group passed on their
secret mission and knowledge through Atlantis to
ancient Egypt and from there to Greece and finally
Rome. The P2 members claim they are descendants
of the Roman Royal families dating back to the time of
Julius Caesar and they controlledboth the Mafia and
the Vatican.

www.newdawnmagazine.com

[gooty64]

If it's true that the underground bases have been destroyed (as reported in Aug/sept onward), that would appear to throw a wrench into the plans of the PTB.

Were the D.U.M.B.S. even destroyed or was that dis-info, as we never got much of anything as proof that they were. Lot's of small earthquakes and sonic booms and strange noises and some sinkholes. Hard to say-I don't know about the underground bases?

Also, as Bill mentioned benevolent ET's in the video, I wonder if they are prepared to intervene at least with the nuclear part of the PTB's plan.

[Taurean]

If the ET's have neutralized nukes in the past then it would be even more appropriate to do it again now.

Would they really use nukes to target population centers like they did the first/last time. Surely they could only be considered for use against specific military targets these times ?

But then the Zionist agenda is to Rule the Earth without the Goyim.

[DreamsInDigital]

If it's true that the underground bases have been destroyed (as reported in Aug/sept onward), that would appear to throw a wrench into the plans of the PTB.

Were the D.U.M.B.S. even destroyed or was that dis-info, as we never got much of anything as proof that they were. Lot's of small earthquakes and sonic booms and strange noises and some sinkholes. Hard to say-I don't know about the underground bases?

Also, as Bill mentioned benevolent ET's in the video, I wonder if they are prepared to intervene at least with the nuclear part of the PTB's plan.
Underground Anomalous Constructions (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_underground.htm) Check there... and here: Tunnels To Atleast 13 Underground Bases Sealed Off. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground31.htm) There is also many videos on Youtube. The only issue I've ever come across is the "use" of Nuclear explosives, or claimed use, when there hasn't been any evidence that proves Nuclear explosives have been used. Yet, seismological charts and other evidence, plus expert testimony etc have corroborated the use of the sonic energy weapons and involvement on some level at least partially of Benevolent ET's. But, also it was mentioned that the Reptilian/Greys were blowing up some of their own bases to prevent the Benevolents/Opposing forces from getting into the bases. This seems though to be a joint effort between the Benevolent ET's and Some Groups within the Government, the ones that don't support the Cabal/Global Elite.

And, yes to the best of my knowledge they are very much prepared and plan on intervention to prevent Nuclear War, in actuality they are already intervening and have been. It's just been in such a way that most are not capable of perceiving.

@ Taurean
The times that the ET's have neutralized nukes, they were simply flexing their muscles a little, like sending the PTW the message "look what we can do, :-p." It has been the how to say, message? Intent? all along that the ET's have ( Benevolent ones anyway) wanted to help the Governments get rid of their "Parasite" problem, because ultimately that's what the Greys are, Parasitic. But, the "cost" has always been that all governments would have to disarm their nuclear weapons. With the safety of everyone involved being the motive. But, the governments have refused to disarm. So the ET's are sending a message to the governments that they can and will "force" disarmament if that is what it truly comes down to. And, that they just wont let this world destroy it's self, nor will they allow the PTW to use Nuclear Weapons to kill the population.

[gooty64]

If it's true that the underground bases have been destroyed (as reported in Aug/sept onward), that would appear to throw a wrench into the plans of the PTB.

Were the D.U.M.B.S. even destroyed or was that dis-info, as we never got much of anything as proof that they were. Lot's of small earthquakes and sonic booms and strange noises and some sinkholes. Hard to say-I don't know about the underground bases?

Also, as Bill mentioned benevolent ET's in the video, I wonder if they are prepared to intervene at least with the nuclear part of the PTB's plan.
Underground Anomalous Constructions (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_underground.htm) Check there... and here: Tunnels To Atleast 13 Underground Bases Sealed Off. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground31.htm) There is also many videos on Youtube. The only issue I've ever come across is the "use" of Nuclear explosives, or claimed use, when there hasn't been any evidence that proves Nuclear explosives have been used. Yet, seismological charts and other evidence, plus expert testimony etc have corroborated the use of the sonic energy weapons and involvement on some level at least partially of Benevolent ET's. But, also it was mentioned that the Reptilian/Greys were blowing up some of their own bases to prevent the Benevolents/Opposing forces from getting into the bases. This seems though to be a joint effort between the Benevolent ET's and Some Groups within the Government, the ones that don't support the Cabal/Global Elite.

And, yes to the best of my knowledge they are very much prepared and plan on intervention to prevent Nuclear War, in actuality they are already intervening and have been. It's just been in such a way that most are not capable of perceiving.

@ Taurean
The times that the ET's have neutralized nukes, they were simply flexing their muscles a little, like sending the PTW the message "look what we can do, :-p." It has been the how to say, message? Intent? all along that the ET's have ( Benevolent ones anyway) wanted to help the Governments get rid of their "Parasite" problem, because ultimately that's what the Greys are, Parasitic. But, the "cost" has always been that all governments would have to disarm their nuclear weapons. With the safety of everyone involved being the motive. But, the governments have refused to disarm. So the ET's are sending a message to the governments that they can and will "force" disarmament if that is what it truly comes down to. And, that they just wont let this world destroy it's self, nor will they allow the PTW to use Nuclear Weapons to kill the population.

I sure wish there was a video clearly showing wreckage from the disabled bases but, since they are underground and the "sealed off entrances" likely are in protected remote areas well-I can imagine this evidence not readily available for an I-team investigation report tonight at ten.

I'm going with the bases are TOAST.

BTW... Why hasn't this thread lit up yet since, yesterday at noon Bill Ryan updated the video message to important...?

[13th Warrior]

If it's true that the underground bases have been destroyed (as reported in Aug/sept onward), that would appear to throw a wrench into the plans of the PTB.

Were the D.U.M.B.S. even destroyed or was that dis-info, as we never got much of anything as proof that they were. Lot's of small earthquakes and sonic booms and strange noises and some sinkholes. Hard to say-I don't know about the underground bases?

Also, as Bill mentioned benevolent ET's in the video, I wonder if they are prepared to intervene at least with the nuclear part of the PTB's plan.
Underground Anomalous Constructions (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_sociopol_underground.htm) Check there... and here: Tunnels To Atleast 13 Underground Bases Sealed Off. (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_underground31.htm) There is also many videos on Youtube. The only issue I've ever come across is the "use" of Nuclear explosives, or claimed use, when there hasn't been any evidence that proves Nuclear explosives have been used. Yet, seismological charts and other evidence, plus expert testimony etc have corroborated the use of the sonic energy weapons and involvement on some level at least partially of Benevolent ET's. But, also it was mentioned that the Reptilian/Greys were blowing up some of their own bases to prevent the Benevolents/Opposing forces from getting into the bases. This seems though to be a joint effort between the Benevolent ET's and Some Groups within the Government, the ones that don't support the Cabal/Global Elite.

And, yes to the best of my knowledge they are very much prepared and plan on intervention to prevent Nuclear War, in actuality they are already intervening and have been. It's just been in such a way that most are not capable of perceiving.

@ Taurean
The times that the ET's have neutralized nukes, they were simply flexing their muscles a little, like sending the PTW the message "look what we can do, :-p." It has been the how to say, message? Intent? all along that the ET's have ( Benevolent ones anyway) wanted to help the Governments get rid of their "Parasite" problem, because ultimately that's what the Greys are, Parasitic. But, the "cost" has always been that all governments would have to disarm their nuclear weapons. With the safety of everyone involved being the motive. But, the governments have refused to disarm. So the ET's are sending a message to the governments that they can and will "force" disarmament if that is what it truly comes down to. And, that they just wont let this world destroy it's self, nor will they allow the PTW to use Nuclear Weapons to kill the population.

I sure wish there was a video clearly showing wreckage from the disabled bases but, since they are underground and the "sealed off entrances" likely are in protected remote areas well-I can imagine this evidence not readily available for an I-team investigation report tonight at ten.

I'm going with the bases are TOAST.

BTW... Why hasn't this thread lit up yet since, yesterday at noon Bill Ryan updated the video message to important...?

I have only heard of evidence for two bases that may have been destroyed?

I am quite sure there are many more than that...

[aranuk]

I just listened to the anglo saxon mission by Bill. I watched the video when it first came out when I was a newbie to all this stuff, and it didn't have an impact on me at that time. Maybe I was more interested in hearing about ET's at that time. I am now, thanks to Project Camelot and Avalon a much more aware person and Bill's incredibly intelligent and wise words seemed to strike a resonant chord within me. Thank you Bill. Please keep well in Equdor.

Stan

[EnergyGardener]

Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the armored troops were lined up at the Kuwait / Iraq border; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

[13th Warrior]

Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the troops were lined up; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

Because Ron Paul has a foreign policy of non-interference, they most likely, will stage a false flag terrorist attack to discredit him, prop up the faltering support for foreign occupations and to further crack down on personal liberties...

[gooty64]

An entire new system is needed.

A fresh new exciting American President-be it Ron Paul Paul , Jesus Christ or Oprah Winfrey would still be powerless within the current/old system.

I feel it is time to think outside of the box of the current/old system.



Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the troops were lined up; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

Because Ron Paul has a foreign policy of non-interference, they most likely, will stage a false flag terrorist attack to discredit him, prop up the faltering support for foreign occupations and to further crack down on personal liberties...

[13th Warrior]

An entire new system is needed.

A fresh new exciting American President-be it Ron Paul Paul , Jesus Christ or Oprah Winfrey would still be powerless within the current/old system.

I feel it is time to think outside of the box of the current/old system.



Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the troops were lined up; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

Because Ron Paul has a foreign policy of non-interference, they most likely, will stage a false flag terrorist attack to discredit him, prop up the faltering support for foreign occupations and to further crack down on personal liberties...

I keep hearing this; that a new system is needed...

This is a non-starter because most people resist drastic changes because of the fear triggered by the unknown.

[EnergyGardener]

What is the extent (assurance) of the plan/conspiracy?

Are Iran (and perhaps China) willing accomplices / partners, so they will dutifully respond on cue to the orchestrated provocation?

If not, will they be duped / goaded into responses to fulfill the plans of "The Anglo-Saxon Mission?"

Or, will Iran respond (preferably sooner than Saddam) positively to the world with proof of peaceful intentions. This is no small task: What leader of any country willfully chooses to hold his nose and cooperate in any way with the arrogant violent aggression of their sworn nemesis/s?

Naming the Game: While China has already caved, Iran is one of the few countries not controlled by the "House" central banking ownership, perhaps the end/beginning game of complete global control. Perhaps for this reason alone, this is in actuality, a go-for-broke showdown.

To Gooty64's point, is there is the opportunity for a new system (without a violent global revolution)? That peaceful solution would require democratic leadership change by "a group" with substantial humility, goodness, charisma, intelligence, wisdom and fearlessness—that combinations is not apparent to me within any "known" person (or group) of influence. While all are necessary, the first two determine the motive. How many with those qualifications have the courage (and family support) to suffer the effort, to acknowledge and propose acceptance of non-perfect histories of human living and risk-taking?

13th Warrior, fear of the unknown is indeed a problem. The basis for democratic process and then, we were told, the UN, was to foster global solutions to peace. Had that process worked, there would indeed be peace. But, the money controls, and has for most of this century. Can the PTB survive the end game if the money is removed, as is being done now? Will we?

Is the majority of their effort, simply to convince us of their infallibility, and thus, we accept our fate?

The removal of money from a free society, while calculated to implement greater controls, may actually provide untended consequences for the PTB: perhaps this is their greatest fear of the unknown... explaining their surveillance infrastructures.

Did anyone else notice Fox News coverage yesterday evening from Iowa, and the cut-off by signal interruption as the active American soldier attempted to explain the reason for his support for Ron Paul?

This is all wasted effort and time if we cannot counter / neutralize this colossal accumulation of power, money, media, government control with electronic surveillance and military systems. At least prior to the implementation of the great kill-off processes, as we've been led to believe is forthcoming.

What are the alternatives? Hope for the rapture (and its qualification)? Hope of transition to the 4th dimension before losing one's body (life)? Hope to survive physically without caving to enslavement?

What does your internal clock tell you? How much longer do we have to pontificate in the absence of effective leadership and adequate help (perceived in our dimension) from the powered aforementioned— to provide a new freer system that is well marketed and known? Can this be accomplished without losing the vast majority of our population in the process?

I do agree that neither Oprah Winfrey or Ron Paul have the qualifications. Ron, while beating about the bush (for sake of his survival), cannot acknowledge completely the depth of our problems, and that the primary justification to the vast military actions and funding argued by the other Republicans, is required only to respond to the conflicts we have instigated. Even if he acknowledged that (showing more fearlessness than any other elected official), is he still lacking the charisma and good looks to pull it off? It is comforting to me that so many college-age voters believe so. Our youth are starting to get it. Sadly, that is for all the wrong reasons, not necessarily for our leadership. Why wouldn't they be skeptical of the self-centered culture and results of our generations?

Jesus Christ? Perhaps, but it is getting late. However, if what is written is true, that is scheduled to happen only after a few imposters are allowed to fool most first. This is likely a consequence first of a hijacked and corrupted religion. Second, that this church body has little confidence to provide any solution that deviates from what is written, necessary to provide challenge to current political or papal authority. Lastly, the ability to agree on much of anything, let alone, act on a great solution. Has this been accomplished since the US milestones of: Declaration of Independence and abolition of slavery? Both required substantial bloodshed...

Even then, wouldn't Christ's violent vengeful response be after most of current humans are killed off? Precluding that would require the early rapture, transition to the 4th, prior to cataclysmic destruction. And, the subsequent Armageddon battle would require purposeful surgery, allowing the good to survive while killing off all the bad. The alternative apocalyptic game-over restart would likely leave but a small meek surviving population, unless in fact, the good are returned from safe harbor rapture.

Can we reach consensus on the truth and transcend non-starter scenarios?

Isn't the alternative to await and compare fateful news to prophecies as some comfort of our physical end? Is that like paying to watch a horror movie?

Or, per the information posted above, does the PTB suffer greater challenges than we were previously aware? Have they violated strict limitations already that we can call in? Is help available, provided we have the knowledge and capacity to ask for/demand it?

Is this in fact our birthright, contract as humans, as the result of our shared efforts?

Perhaps the primary purpose of intimidation and misinformation is to keep us from finding this out. Can we "Turn off the TV" (and addiction to systems/information from all electronic devices)?

Discovering even that, do we then have the capabilities and will to win?

Is that a purpose of this project?

Is that a primary reason why we are here?

[gooty64]

Energy Gardener, you raise a lot of important questions. good post...

For me, I can't get past how to get...

the mean people to become nice,

the greedy people to become fair,

the cheaters to become honest,

and

the sheeple to become awake and aware.

How on God's green Earth can we even make these people change?

At least without upheaval, ET intervention, miracle......or a precipitating event.......of your choice.........please do tell........

[EnergyGardener]

gooty64, Thanks for the response. My main point was, that I believe that if we are intelligent enough to know to ask the right questions now, then perhaps we came here for a constructive purpose...

It's easy (and in my opinion despicable) to offer nothing but criticism. I've always said, "It's easy to identify the problem. It's not so easy to provide a solution." That's why skeptics are correct most of the time: Success usually doesn't occur on the first try, validated by the bios of most worthwhile humans. Those that actually create things accept (even enjoy, if they can remember) the learning part of that process.

The questions that we agree that we do not know:

1. Is it possible to convince the merits (change the behavior) of enough humans from Service to Self (STS), to, Service to Others (STO), to make enough of a difference? The idea that inflicting pain on another does not harm ones self, is the prevailing belief of our win/lose culture; the idea that we are separated, the illusion of superiority by physical gain. Of course, there is the argument that those that perpetuate that belief system are doing us all a great favor of providing the catalyst / circumstance for us to meet the challenge against that illusion, though, as a human, I fail that minute-to-minute response most of the time. I like you, I suspect, liked to battle, as an athlete, a competitor. Yet, we are weary (and not enjoying the constant absurdity of it all) of dealing with this heavy negativity.

But perhaps it's a good thing they have taken this greed thing too far; as we are being forced to identify it for what it is.

2. Or is it enough to associate with like minded STO's to ascend to the next level, accepting that the loss of the vast majority is fully acceptable, what we signed up for?

3. Can the sheeple be awakened without great suffering, dealing with the surprise that things are different than our parents (and certainly governments) taught us?

4. Can creative, good people organize, with or without ET, miracle or precipitating event?

5. How much time do we have to figure it out, or has that ever been an option?

What I have resolved myself to is that short or long-term solutions require a community. That formation of like minds isn't so easy. However, to your point...

gooty64, like you, I am also looking for the answers. It appears most within the Avalon community are doing the same.

I am very comforted knowing that human beings are on the other end of these posts; that others asking similar questions, though, still at a great minority to the 7 billion populace.

[gooty64]

What I have resolved myself to is that short or long-term solutions require a community. That formation of like minds isn't so easy. However, to your point

gooty64, like you, I am also looking for the answers. It appears most within the Avalon community are doing the same.

I am very comforted knowing that human beings are on the other end of these posts; that others asking similar questions, though, still at a great minority to the 7 billion populace.[/QUOTE]

Energy Gardener,
Did you notice how in the video about the anglo-saxon agenda posted here by Bill Ryan how he talked about it's not necessarily all dire straits and a done deal.

He said something like there is a reason for incarnating here now and that we(avalonians/alt) are still going forward with "the game". (Sorry weak paraphrase) We don't agree with the way things appear to be unfolding or we would not be here right now(earth) or even watching his video.

I "get" what he was saying there.

For me, in a way it seems/appears insurmountable, yet I know something has got to give and I am glad I am here at this time to witness it and participate in it and contribute to it.

Whatever "it" is. I guess that's why I call "it" upheaval. i.e. Something that will cause enough uproar to force consciousness to awaken within the majority or not.

I just worry for the regular citizens who are so entrenched in their programming and daily lives because, it was such a gruesome paradigm shift for me to go through. And I made the paradigm shift willingly not that long ago.

My thoughts for doing something before the SHTF was to move to an acreage and make the beginnings of a sustainable organic farm to become part of an eco-village. Maybe in the spring in just a few months if the S doesn't HTF. lol

...rambling

[EnergyGardener]

gooty 64,

Yes, I'm hoping for enough time (and signs of what is or isn't happening) to do something similar, that would fulfill my virtual lifelong objective to design and build self-sustained homes and communities. Up until now, as a developer, no investor has considered this necessary or a good investment. That is changing fast; as panic is stirring everywhere. I hope for naught, that the process can be changed in a positive way, for all of our benefit.

My preference is that it is not necessarily dire straits; a done deal. I am hoping, like the fake-out of Y2K, nothing unusual happens this year (or year-end). If it does, I hope the power grids remain on; my largest concern. The majority is unprepared and will panic quickly without that. Secondly, that major wars do not come to pass for a time for the same reasons.

Here are some more questions for community design and development:

1. Is there any concern for water (flooding), and if so, is elevation an issue? I've heard 5000 and even 8000 feet. Hard to grow things that high.
2. How self-sustained should the community be? Fully, would require the creation of an economy in itself.
3. How many people should food and sustenance be provided for beyond the original investors? It wouldn't be any fun to force good (unprepared) people and their children away for lack of preparation. How much food should be grown in individual homes and how much in outdoor fields and greenhouses?
4. How are greenhouses protected from extreme weather conditions?
5. Who gets the unlucky tasks of security and dealing with outsiders? Is this simply the creation of a legal town, with all the same components, including a legal police force?

Perhaps the migration of people in these efforts will be very as interesting as the end goal.


Cheers

[norman]

I've heard 5000 and even 8000 feet. Hard to grow things that high.

VERY hard ! Even Cocain won't be too happy up there !

I don't believe we need to be so high up. I think about 1,000ft will do it.

[Adi]

I have a negative feeling towards the current events going on in the middle east, primarily to do with the Isreal, Iran and american fiasco. Something is seriously starting to boil up. http://www.presstv.com/detail/219346.html.

I do not believe nuclear weaponry will be allowed to be used upon humanity, more so I hope not. The more I look into this and feel into the energy, it is scary. Everything going on here seems so orchestrated, that it is blatant. Future will relive it's self in time, lets see if the future events play out the way its been said, if not well all the best I suppose.

Happy New year to all :)

Adi

[Huma]

Bill, just as an FYI if you were not aware, the video on your particular channel is blocked and cannot be viewed by folks in the U.S. due to a copyright infringement by EMI I imagine is based on the music you have used.

Here are some alternative YouTube channels with the full video for those of you in the U.S. like me, who could not view the content from the YouTube stream bill provided in this thread.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASQ0XtQMdrg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUq203K8EMo

[Lionie]

What is the Scottish rite? Please excuse my ignorance.

[modwiz]

What is the Scottish rite? Please excuse my ignorance.

In Freemasonry there are two main paths a Master Mason can follow, if he chooses. These are the York and Scottish Rite. They are further degrees of education. The 33rd degree is a degree of the Scottish Rite.

[Lionie]

Who has been watching the build up to the conflict between Iran and Israel, prompted by the US? Paster Lindsey Williams who claims to have been told things by the elite or the globalists said that he was told that the world economy would be intentionally crashed after the orchestrated war with Iran. It sounds very similar to what the 'witness' who was interviewed by Bill Ryan said.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I thought Goldman Sacs etc were Jewish. What do Jewish companies have to do with the freemasons?

[Unified Serenity]

Be sure to understand that Jewish does not equate to Zionist. Also know there are those who claim to be Jews are are not, but sure do love the chaos they cause Judah.... the Jews. They (The Zionists / Kenites) love to create chaos and havoc, and they rule the known world via banking and media, transnational corporations, and manipulating the economies of the world via their central banks which are all privately owned by a small number of people, a very small number of shareholders. The Federal Reserve is a Private bank.

[Lost Soul]

An entire new system is needed.

A fresh new exciting American President-be it Ron Paul Paul , Jesus Christ or Oprah Winfrey would still be powerless within the current/old system.

I feel it is time to think outside of the box of the current/old system.
C


Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the troops were lined up; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

Because Ron Paul has a foreign policy of non-interference, they most likely, will stage a false flag terrorist attack to discredit him, prop up the faltering support for foreign occupations and to further crack down on personal liberties...

I respectfully disagree. He may rescind executive orders. He can veto funding and begin slowing down the progression to tyranny. Then again I expect TPTW to do a JFK on him.

[Lionie]

HELLO!!! IS anyone out there watching the news? There is a war brewing in IRAN. This is pretty much what the witness told us. There is also an economic collapse that is waiting to happen that has been in the planning for the last 10 years.

[Lionie]

The witness interviewed by Bill said quite a few things that whistle blowers around the world are saying. Lindsay Williams openly warns us of a war in Iran. His contact is a very old gentleman that was a member of the illuminati and is trying to clear his conscience. I wonder if Bill's witness was also a retired gentleman who is trying to clear his conscience?

I can't help but listen to this witness to the third world war / Anglo Saxon Mission and be so stunned. I thank him for coming forward if he is out there in cyber space.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

Hey Modwiz,
Are you from the Catskill's in the US?

[Lionie]

Hi Bill,
I'm sorry to harp on it but there is a huge military build up around Iran. It seems like your witness is right and that there will be another world war. The frightening thing is that other people have said very similar things to what your witness has said and they also claim to have received that information from illuminati.
Were you able to contact the Chinese re - China to catch a cold - virus to wipe out anyone that is not anglo? I'm anglo saxon and I've lived in Asia. While quite a few of them were racist toward me because I'm white. HOWEVER there were also some very nice Asian people as well and I'd hate to see them wiped out.
Lionie

[EnergyGardener]

Wondering if the next move is to sacrifice a carrier (or other ships) and sailors in classic False Flag fashion to start off the next round of battles (their intended consequences, the least of which is oil price escalation) somewhere near the Strait of Hormuz:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/04/world/middleeast/iran-warns-the-united-states-over-aircraft-carrier.html

http://af.reuters.com/article/energyOilNews/idAFB5E7NR00820120104

Not unlike other excuses/ causes of war (including provoking and allowing the attack at Pearl Harbor), with claims of WMD 10 years ago, and regardless of the efforts to prove otherwise, the armored troops were lined up at the Kuwait / Iraq border; they were going to war!

The difference now: More (awakened) people know their obvious processes of cause and effect at human expense. But will they stop if called upon it in advance?

Without being redundant, hasn't this been obvious for some time now? We need to release a very organized notice (that is in the works with a few here), to provide more of an effort than to just sit back and watch the show. You may believe that you/we are safe in the bleachers behind the front of "our" invading forces, but they are coming for the bleachers next.

The decision "not" to act is an action.

EnergyGardener

[Lionie]

Well I thought that it couldn't really be true and that things could never really get this bad. What are your bright ideas on what to do about this then? If you do nothing then that is a complete waste! The witness risked a lot to tell people for a reason!

[bluestflame]

good to see this thread being revisited in the light of current events ~☼~

[Lionie]

Yes bluest flame, but sadly it's all just about to unfold before our eyes. I believe that the witness was telling the truth. Do you?

[tenacity1]

with all of the videos, no matter who was interviewed etc..I rarely found one that I agreed with 100 percent. Yet, some kernels of truth in each one validated 20 years of my own real life observations.(although I haven't seen them all of course) There is much misinformation out there being slung about by desperate greedy men who have truly Machiavellian tendencies. Their hubris in the halls of power know no bounds. I think these whistleblowers who are speaking of the "plans of the NWO" are not only right on target but will be validated by future events. There is so very much the American public doesn't realize is going on behind the scenes to create a "thinning of the herd" and total control. Obamas asking for RFIDS chips in the healthcare law comes to mind. I could write chapter and verse on my 20yr journey and how it brought me here and why I think these things. However, I'm waitng on an indictment of a local player before I spill my beans. I was warned awhile back to keep my head down in certain quarters.The way I see it, one doesn't get warned if what one is saying doesn't have validity. Hence I believe Bill and Kerry cause I know they and their guests have taken serious heat for their work. Only scared rats go after people who tell the truth. We are dealing with scared rats who would like to confuse us.. don't let them.

Certainly our govt has been known to do things to change movements and history.One only has to read the files of Hoover that have been released to know this. I've often wondered if we hippies might have won if J Edgar hadn't been so busy messing with folks heads. After all is said and done, we know that some " NEW Agey" things were lab created in Black ops. Just as the "war on terror" was created to further someone elses agenda. THe Century of Self speaks eloquently to how we have been sold what we have heard, read and seen. I've come to the realization that with anything, books , music, videos etc.. is to take what resonates for me with me, do what I can with it to help others and leave the argument and doubt to those who like endless debate. What is needed I think is that folks come together over what they do agree on..accountability, transparency in govt and commerce etc and leave the spiritual side of it for each person to delineate for themselves. If we allow the govt to fully divide us over differing points of view, they have won haven't they? In an old bit of nonsense I wrote years ago, I opined that perhaps we need to "look for the commonality and respect the differences." I am extremely grateful for all Bill and his cohorts do. It's given me much food for thought, validated some of my own experiences and journey and given me loads of new brain cells from having to think so hard. Just for the record, my fave interviewee was Bob Dean. LOve what he said at one point on his last one .. about "HOPE" I'd adopt Mr Dean as grandfather anyday but I am sure he is a busy man.

In closing, I do think that there is more shenanigans afoot now that folks have woken up to grab back the power and it will get nasty. Yet, I will not fear and I will not embrace a negative. stance. To think of anything but LIGHT winning is too awful for me to even bear thinking about. All Trauma is transformational and no matter what the nasty men in govt have planned for us..I think we live in amazing times..it sure isn't boring.

[Light]

Hi,
has anyone heard about the Council of 21? A guy with deep inside contacts in the financial world mentioned it to me some weeks ago. I have searched the net - nothing. Never seen this Council mentioned in standard conspiracy literature either. Anyone?

[ghostrider]

wonder if thats why Charles came on the scene, because of the anglo saxon information ? Great thread , great information, it really ties alot of thing together. I've been through the vid presentation three or four times I cant get enough of it. matter of fact going to watch it again tonight.

[Rocky_Shorz]

after this psy-op in Aurora Colorado, almost a year to the day after the Norway Massacre it is time to bring this back to the top...

Israel about to launch on Iran
Syria at War, Russia and US involved, but not...
Banking Crisis, Fed is about to get kicked out
face eating Zombie dust ready for aerosol chemtrail dispercement...
water supplies being destroyed, air polluted
2nd psy-op attack on young teens in a year...

[Limor Wolf]

I agree, Rocky _Shortz, The Anglo-saxon Agenda is in full force.

The Denver shooting, The bombing in Borgas where 5 israeli citizens were killed as well as this morning news item (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4258554,00.html)on the main newspapers in Israel - all part of the preperation for the publics views, so the public will be willing to take it's part in this global controllers plan.

All this will either take planet earth down, similiar to the days of Atlantis , or it will make the society take a stand towords what we need and want from life. And I personally bet on the second one.

[bluestflame]

yes i believe he was telling the truth about what he was shown/told

despite the attempts to muddy the water since, current events seem to add credibility to it

many years in the making it's unlikely they'd abandon thier plans if there was any chance of salvaging them

[Beren]

after this psy-op in Aurora Colorado, almost a year to the day after the Norway Massacre it is time to bring this back to the top...

Israel about to launch on Iran
Syria at War, Russia and US involved, but not...
Banking Crisis, Fed is about to get kicked out
face eating Zombie dust ready for aerosol chemtrail dispercement...
water supplies being destroyed, air polluted
2nd psy-op attack on young teens in a year...

Enemy is moving.
But God is moving too ;)

[Rocky_Shorz]

seeing the Pope appear standing with us for this battle was unexpected...

the London Mile is getting smaller...

quick question...

QE3 is about to buy back mortgage backed securities...

from Maiden Lane?

the group given a blank check back during the crisis not even having to report amounts on the Fed Reserve Balance sheet...

or is this to continue selling off more real assets to the same group?

[syrwong]

I like Mythi. Just look at the answer he gave to a good question, which is so consistent with the idea in this thread. (VIDEO 40)



Question, Katima asks, why would the government feel the need to commit Genocide IF the government has knowledge about the approaching Planet X and the Pole-Shift happening in our near future? The government must be well aware that only a 10% survival rate is expected...Right?

Mythi - Katima, nature action is random. They want to make sure the composition of the final race of the planet is that they define. They want to "help “nature to do the job of cleanup. Large flocks of sheep that they created to sustain them until this point, now are completely disposable. From this point, they want a world totally under control, without any hindrance in the beginning of Galactic relationship. This is what they want, not what they will have. This we can assure you.

[norman]

With Nuclear attack threats and H7N7 virus in China, I'm beginning to wonder if the anticipated 'April' event is a re directed "Anglo Saxon Mission".

Some of the pieces are falling into place for it. The Iran part isn't involved but perhaps North Korea is a substitute.

[william r sanford72]

With Nuclear attack threats and H7N7 virus in China, I'm beginning to wonder if the anticipated 'April' event is a re directed "Anglo Saxon Mission".

Some of the pieces are falling into place for it. The Iran part isn't involved but perhaps North Korea is a substitute.

the iran nuc talks fell apart....??? so back to plan a.

[gripreaper]

Look what showed up on the front page of Rumor Mill news.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?#300463

Coincidence or irony it showed up on Bills birthday?

Simon Parkes also showed up on the front page today.

[bluestflame]

wondering out loud how the current Ukraine "revolution" factors in

[Redsoul]

the lightworkers and other entities have thrown their plan off course..
their chain of events is so off course, they can't completely their goal by 2016
people have awoken and shared information at a faster rate than ever before in history..
I think the power of the human spirit was underestimated...

[Dorishaktiblue]

Hey Bill, great work!

We have found our safe haven and are back tying up loose ends b4 departing in about 6 weeks. Last time I checked you were expecting a bump in the USA in April. Any news on that. Looks like we will be here.

I loved the positive ending to your commentary on the Anglo Saxon Mission. I would add to it that the best way to develop this understanding and experience of who we really are (children of God with all the qualities and powers of our Creator) is by doing yoga practice. I would suggest specific techniques which haven't become commercialized. There are still sincere teachers of Maharishi's Mahesh Yogi's TM out there. (He made "group consciousness" or "world consciousness", which is what you were talking about, household words back in the day) I know one in Fairfield Iowa. Science of Spirituality (Sant Mat) also has a good technique, but there is a bit of a cult of personality there. The good thing about that group is that the teachings focus on ethical behavior as a foundation stone for spiritual progress, which was forgotten by a lot of people doing TM. Keep up the good work Bill! :)

[MTField]

Plan for the World War 3 announced December 26, 2008

There's a link on a russian site titled "Obama begins the third world in the Crimea" (dated Dec 26th 2008) at http://www.utro.ru/articles/2008/12/26/789711.shtml Use google translate to view English
It says the same about Crimea been pre-planned as a prelude to WW3.

Google Translation:

Under the new U.S. President Barack Obama in the Crimea will be implemented scenario of armed conflict. " It is the American scenario , and under Obama the probability is much higher than under McCain, " - said at a roundtable in Kiev, Russian political scientist Andrei Okara , said " New Region " .

Expert explains : "It became clear when it was announced that what people will represent the Obama team . These are people whose professional registration - Wall Street. These people are engaged in a technology called " technologies of controlled chaos . "

According to Okara , after Georgia area " controlled chaos " in the first place , was to be the Ukraine, namely - Crimea . " This is the point of a fire , including global conflicts that escalate into a world war , which, unfortunately , is one of the scenarios , the implementation of which at the moment from the real " - says the analyst.

His colleague from the Ukrainian Institute of Russia Andrey Blinov agree that Russia is not interested in such a conflict . " When people talk about the war in the Crimea or in the hamlet St. Michael , I believe that this scenario is marginal . A question more active economic participation of Russian capital is very likely. But it depends on when the crisis is over . If in 2010 , while Russia will be much weaker , "- said the expert .

U.S. ambitions toward Crimea confirmed and signed recently the Ukrainian- American Charter on Strategic Partnership . The Charter provides for the unconditional recognition of the sovereignty of Ukraine and its integration into NATO , increased U.S. presence in the Crimea and other forms of cooperation . U.S. Ambassador William Taylor in Kiev , however, reassured : " The Charter does not oblige any one of the two parties to assist military means ." And he added, if the boundaries are violated , " we will meet and discuss our next steps ."

In the second section of the paper devoted to defense and security , said the interest of both countries to " a strong, independent , democratic Ukraine " , whose integration into European structures "is a mutual priority." This section reiterates that Ukraine will join NATO . In the meantime , " recognizing the global threat to stability in the world, to prevent them Ukraine and the United States will strengthen their cooperation in defense and security issues ," - said the Ambassador. In addition, Taylor mentioned and concrete steps to improve the level of training and military supplies for the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

The fifth section is devoted to the expansion of human contacts and cooperation in the field of culture : Ukraine, as follows from the text ( as submitted by Taylor ) , " welcomes the intention of the United States to increase its diplomatic presence in the Crimea ." Format presence on the peninsula is still under discussion , " but it may be a structure with certain consular functions ."

The document also refers to the support of Kiev against Moscow on withdrawal of Russian Black Sea Fleet from Crimea .

The fact that Crimea is the most promising ground for destabilization beneficial both Americans and official Kyiv , observers say not the first month . Periodically pop up in the media , various scenarios by which the Ukrainian " Democrats " try to blow this " powder keg " redirecting claims to Russia . Proclivities pro-Russian activists Peninsula (like attempts to regain the Crimea to Russia through the court ) at the same time severely punished , but to complete victory over SBU " dissidents " , judging by the numerous symptoms , far away.

Provocations on the " Crimean direction " really can not be avoided , we are convinced , in turn , Ukrainian Communists . U.S. prepares to throw to the east ( aiming at this , of course, in Russia ) , but first they need to break the pro-Russian Crimea , ex - speaker of the Crimean parliament , Verkhovna Rada deputy Leonid Grach . Scheduled for next year open a representative office in Simferopol U.S. - the same series .

The fact that Ukraine is in range of the attention of the new U.S. president, analysts have stated previously. Obama will counterbalance Russia Ukraine , said political analyst Sergei Taran : " The first time the Ukrainians may be neglected by the United States, as Obama will be busy with internal problems the United States. But in the long term efforts of the U.S. Obama will resume his authority in Europe , and in the long term, the new U.S. administration will pay particular attention to Ukraine, which could be a counterbalance to Russia in the region, and in the future - even counterbalance the old Europe example of modern Poland . "

Ukraine will remain for the United States deterrent to Russia , agrees Ukrainian political analyst Andrei Yermolaev . According to him, Ukraine for American policy has been and remains instrumental object that is used in a rather cynical strategies.

Most " visionary " already hard rehearsing for the upcoming bout Crimea: from the opera - held recently in Kiev command post exercise on " Actions volunteer units on the Crimean theater of operations after the Russian military aggression ." Organizers merrymaking ( National Salvation Committee , which includes the party " Brotherhood " and " New Force" and association " Northern Brotherhood " ) argue that the conflict between Ukraine and Russia , which will be held no later than 2011 , the entire burden of resistance will be on voluntary organizations . Scenario Campaign General Staff of the Armed Forces has already been developed , sure " roleplayers " .

[turiya]

An opportunity to discuss the video of The Anglo-Saxon Mission: Illuminati plans for the Third World War and the purging of the world's population - prior to "The Dawn of a New Day" and the real, envisaged "New World" Order.

http://projectavalon.net/anglo_saxon_mission.html

Perhaps, at times, its better to take a few steps back out of the box from which one has lived most of one’s life in order to obtain a better look at the way others (from a different part of the world) may be viewing the same forest being distinctly different from the trees that make it up.

In this regard, it is suggested that a scholar of Islamic Eschatology known as Sheikh Imran Hosein (http://www.imranhosein.org/about-imran-n-hosein.html), may provide insight on the matters of the group that is calling itself “The Anglo-Saxon Mission.”

For what the ‘Witness’ says that the people in the meeting he attended has called “The Anglo-Saxon Mission,” Imran Hosein would call the “Judeo-Christian Zionist Alliance.”

Also from Bill’s questioning, one thing that the ‘Witness’ is quite uncertain about is where Russia fits into the scheme of this group of Anglo-Saxon missionaries, as he points out that there was no mention of Russia at the meeting that he attended. In the following lecture, the Islamic Eschatological (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_eschatology) scholar sees Russia, in as much, as throwing a ‘monkey wrench’ into the plans that these Anglo-Saxons missionaries may have in mind.

A bit of historical background on the relationship between Islam & early Christianity & how that involves Russia may help to clarify why the Anglo-Saxon missionaries may have overlooked something concerning Russia, as this is where Imran Hosein begins his talk.

Not only has Christianity undergone a split, but there has also been a split that has taken place with in the religion of Islam. The explanation for this is provided. Imran starts off his lecture with the following topic: Is there a connection between Islam & Russia? However, please bear in mind, prior to entering into the chosen topic (@ the 50 minute mark), he provides the historic context before getting into the meat of the subject.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SadkPvPTooo&list=UU3Xlgbc8gq3NOMmdEUAlfGg&feature=share
Imran Hosein:

Time & again, over the last 15 years or more, we have attempted to explain a verse of the Quran in a manner in which it has never been explained before. The response from the world of Islamic scholarship has been astonishingly silent. Neither do they say that this is wrong, nor do they affirm that it is correct. And so, in order to ring the bell for scholars of Islam that they may respond, we repeat it one more time.

There is a methodology, of course, we use for explaining the Quran, and that is that you do not take any verse of the Quran in isolation to derive meaning. But rather, you take the totality of the verses of the Quran on that particular subject, and then seek to locate that which binds them together to make a meaningful whole. Like, you seek to read the stars in the sky to know which direction you should travel. You have to know how the stars are related to each other before you can use them to navigate.

So now let us move on to that verse of the Quran where we should begin to attempt to answer the question: Is there a relationship between Islam & Russia?

Verse (in English): Oh, you who have faith in Allah, do not take the Jews & do not take the Christians as your friends & allies.

And, we have asked time & again, is Allah speaking about all Jews & and is he speaking about all Christians when he prohibits us from maintaining friendly ties with them & being their allies? When we use the proper methodology, the answer is quick & clear—that no, Allah could not be speaking about all Jews & all Christians. Example: In the same sura (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sura) Allah speaks about a Christian people who, in time to come, will be the closest of all people to you Muslims in love & affection. That you will find, in time to come, that those who will have the greatest love & affection for you Muslims will be those who say, “We are Christians.” So, Allah could not be speaking about all Christians when he says ‘don’t take them as your friends & allies.’ But before we continue with that particular verse, let’s spend a moment on this one: “that in time to come you’ll find those who are closest in love & affection for you Muslims will be those who say, “We are Christians.”

Are we allowed to ask the question: “Who are those Christians? Where are they in the world? Can we identify them?”

In order to answer that question, where do we start? You always start with the Quran. The Quran explains itself. Does the Quran identify any Christians with whom we have a friendly relationship? That’s the question. If the Quran identifies such a Christian people, we don’t need to go beyond the Quran.

Yes, the Quran does identify a Christian people with whom we have a friendly relationship. It does so in a sura that is named after them, Sūrat al-Rūm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ar-Rum)—Rûm. Who is Rûm?
There are those who would, without any shame, without even any blush, would declare that Rûm is Washington, and Rûm is NATO, lol. Yes, a with no sense of shame, and with not even an iota of scholarship in them.

And here it is, Allah speaks of Rûm only once, it only appears once in the whole Quran, which says Muslims will have a positive relationship with Rûm (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R%C3%BBm). And then when Allah says, “That in time to come you’ll find that those who have the greatest love & affection for Muslim are those who say they are Christians.” Obviously, we can identify the Christians now with whom we will have that loving relationship, the answer is Rûm. Is Russia a part of Rûm? Whoever says No! should by a one-way ticket to the moon, go & live there, don’t come back here. Russia is most certainly a part of Rûm! Russian is indeed the leader of Rûm at this time.

When Constantinople was conquered by the Ottomans, then the capitol of Rûm shifted. It could no longer be Constantinople. The patriarch in Constantinople had to be a citizen of Turkey, to be Turkish. So, that could not be anymore the capitol of Rûm. Moscow then replaced Constantinople. Therefore, there is a relationship between Islam & Russia, because there is a relationship between Islam & Rûm, and Russia is a part of Rûm.

The Quran is telling us: there is going to come a time when a mysterious reconciliation between Jews & Christians is going to take place—a “Jewish-Christian Alliance” is going to emerge in history. When that Jewish-Christian Alliance takes place, then Allah is commanding us: ‘Do not take them as your friends & allies’.

Has that Jewish-Christian Alliance emerged? The only ones [Muslims] who seem to be unaware of that are those who are waging their “yankee jihad” in Syria, and of the ‘yankee jihad’ in Libya—and they don’t have time for the Quran in these places. The rest of us know that the Jewish-Christian Alliance has emerged. Yes, it has—it is the Zionist Jew & the Zionist Christian who have bonded themselves together in a “Judeo-Christian Zionist Alliance.” And they are the ones who took power in Britain, causing the British government to issue the Balfour Declaration (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration) in 1917. They are the ones who took control of power in the United States of America, establishing a mysterious relationship with the United States & Israel, as Britain had with Israel before.

They are the ones who defy every law, domestic law, international law, every law they defy, they break every law in order to achieve their objectives. They use deception, they use monstrous lies, they use oppression, then they come to you & say to you that you must follow the law.

These are the ones who want to control the world, they’re the ones who want to establish One-World-Government. These are the people who brought the State of Israel into being. These are the people who have kept Israel alive. And these are the people that want to rule the world, Islamic eschatology says, so they could give to Israel the status of ruling states in the world.

Why do they want Israel to rule the world? The rest of us [Muslims] know it, the only ones that don’t know it are those that are waging their ‘yankee jihad’ in Syria—they don’t have time for this. They want Israel to rule the world so that tomorrow a man will stand up in Israel & he will declare from Jerusalem, “I am the Messiah—al Masih.” But he would not be the Messiah, because he would not be the son of Mary. He would be the Al-Masih ad-Dajjal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal), "the false messiah". All of us know that. They [the yankee jihadists] don’t know it as yet, they’re too busy, waging their yankee jihad, taking weapons from NATO, begging NATO to impose a ‘no-fly zone’ so they can bomb Gadaffi out of existence, so they can then take over Libya. Without the help from NATO they could never take over Lybia—No! So, they took help from the enemies of Islam. And now they parade themselves as mujahideen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen)—NO! They are Dajjal’s warriors.

And we are incorporated into this system within the United Nations. What is the price that we pay? If we allow them to remove dinar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinar) (gold) & dirham (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arab-Sasanian_Dirham_in_the_name_of_al-Hajjaj_ibn_Yusuf.jpg) from the market & they replace it with this bogus paper, plastic & electronic money, which is ripping us off! If we enter into their political embrace, we enter into their monetary embrace… what is the price that we pay? What is the price that we pay if we enter into their market—the market that they establish & control, which is a market of thieves—where the banking system now rules the world & the market, a banking system that is based on Riba (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riba) (usury).

Allah says : “Whosoever from amongst you turn to them, with that relationship, of friendship, and alliance, entering into their embrace—you now belong to them, you are no longer Muslims.” And Allah does not provide audience for a people who are wicked.

With this fundamentally important verse of the Quran, we are now able to recognize, one-half of the Christian world which is an alliance with Jews—those Christians, which are in an alliance with Jews, we are not allowed to be friends with them. And another part of the Christian world identified in Koran as Rûm, and they will be victorious, and when they are victorious, we will celebrate.

Now turning to our proper subject:
If the Quran has informed us that we have a positive relationship with Rûm, then should we not be striving & struggling with the vicisitudes of warfare, sometimes there may be a skirmish here or there, but our diplomatic philosophy would be: to always seek to establish a relationship with them that is friendly, NOT perpetual jihad. Is it not strange, therefore, that for 500 years an Ottoman Empire, which would like us to believe that it was an Islamic empire, wage eternal jihad on Rûm, while maintaining friendly ties with the other Christians. The Ottoman Empire always had good relations with Britain & good relations with France (Ottoman spoke French fluently). And the Ottoman Empire was always engaged in warfare & hostility & cultivating hatred amongst the people of Rûm.

That sounds suspicious to me… strange & suspicious. Who is the drum beater beating the drum to which the Ottoman Empire is dancing? Who is that drum beater who wants to sabotage Islam’s relationship with Rûm [Russia]?

Of all the things that the Ottoman Empire did with Rûm, and we have mentioned...

In 1954, something strange & mysterious took place. And up to this day I don’t think the Russian people understand how & why it took place. In 1954, six years after Israel was born, the Soviet Union under the leadership of Nikita Khrushchev, who was not a Russian, he was a Ukrainian, transferred the territory of the Crimea transferred it, which was for hundreds of years Russian territory, to Ukraine.

So the people of Ukraine went to sleep as citizens of Russia & woke up the next morning, without any consultation whatsoever, as citizens of Ukraine. Hey! How come? Why, why, why did the Soviet Union transfer the territory of Crimea from Russia to Ukraine in 1954?

From the perspective of Islamic eschatology (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_eschatology) has more to do in it than tourism. The real answer is the Soviet Union is sabotaging Russia, as the Soviet Union sabotaged Russia in 1917, by taking Russia out of the war at when Constantinople was just an arm’s length away. So too, in 1954 the Soviet Union sabotaged Russia, so Russia will now be in a precarious situation, because the Russian fleet, the Black Sea fleet, is located at a naval base in Crimea. The Russian fleet has been there 200-300 years, but now its no longer Russian territory.

So if, a tomorrow comes when a Ukrainian government comes into being that is pro-West, the noose will be around the neck of Russia. So now, from the perspective of Islamic eschatology, we can proceed with the topic “Islam, Russia & Crimea.

What happened in this so-called ‘Color Revolution,’ where you, it’s called, rent-a-mob—you pay them the money & they go out on the streets, and you pay them the money & they go out & start random shooting—sniping & snipers. And you pay these mercenaries—and they are doing it in Venezuela now—to incite a revolution against the democratically elected government in Ukraine. And after about three months of demonstrations & rioting on the streets of Ukraine, the President of Ukraine fled out of Ukraine. And we felt Russia was out maneuvered, and the Zionists have now secured the last link that they needed to put the chain around Russia’s neck.

Remember the transfer of the territory from Russia to Ukraine. And now, a ‘Color Revolution’ to bring into power in Ukraine a pro-Western government, which would be anti-Russia, and as the consequence, the rope would be around Russia’s neck. The naval base in Crimea would now be in jeopardy. If Russia loses Crimea, Russia’s credentials as a ‘Super-Power’ will then be in doubt.

[I]What did Russia do?

What has happened over the last few days constitutes, in my opinion, the first major set-back, the first major set-back that the Zionist movement has ever experienced in its history of more than a hundred years. That is an implication of what has occurred in the last few days.

Now, instead of the rope being around Russia’s neck, Russia was able to take steps to emerge stronger than it has ever been before. From 1954 when Crimea was transferred, in a very undemocratic way, since 1954 to this day, Russia position in Crimea has always been problematic—ebbs & flows, ups & downs, in the relationship. Sometimes the Ukrainians are threatening Russia to terminate the lease. Instead of that, which was vulnerable, Russia now has, with the consent of the people of Crimea, who’ve voted overwhelmingly in favor of union with Russia. So Crimea today is once again a part of Russia.

And so it is time for Imran Hosein to celebrate.

The only ones who will not join me in celebrating is Dajjal’s warriors out there in Syria. No matter what kind of jihad they say they are in, no matter who they are—they say they are Mujahideen—answer me this, where are you getting your weapons from? These sophisticated weapons you are using, have you manufactured them yourself?

The answer is: it is the enemies of Islam who are supplying all the weapons. And you want to tell me that you are engaged in a legitimate jihad… what rubbish! Since when do the enemies of Islam provide the weapons for a legitimate jihad? Since when?

The fact that Crimea is now Russian territory is not only a cause for rejoicing amongst those Muslims who have a little bit of knowledge, who are different from the cattle, the cattle have no knowledge, but more than that, it now provides opportunities for the world of Islam. Not the governments, because the governments are controlled.

What are the opportunities?

The Zionist-controlled Western world has been shouting from the mountaintops “we’re going to punish Russia,” they’re using the German Chancellor most of all. “We’re going to impose sanctions on Russia. We’re going to punish Russia. We’re not going to take this lying down.” And then they came out with their massive sanctions on Russia—it turned out to be 15 people who were not allowed to travel, they removed their Visas, and they froze their bank accounts. But the 15 people said, “We don’t have any bank accounts. So what are you freezing?”

What monumental sanctions is this? It is embarrassing to the rest of the world to see the mighty, powerful European Union under NATO Alliance resulting to a few individuals. So we are likely to see an incremental increase in sanctions on Russia. But the Russians have responded & they are declared quite firmly that this is going to be tit for tat. “This is not Libya, no, this is Russia. This is not Iran, this is Russia, and we have a friend in China.”

But the Zionists have suffered such an embarrassing defeat in Crimea that they have no alternative than to proceed with sanctions, otherwise, they’d be a laughing stock of the world. And in this war of sanctions which we are now going to witness, they is opportunity for Islam, opportunity for Muslims. For example, dinar & dirham, an opportunity for dina & dirham.

When they impose sanctions, the trump card that they have is the banking system. So banks are going to refuse to deal with Russia. Okay. When Russians want to trade now, they can’t trade, they can’t send money to the banking system because the Zionists control the banking system. Here is an opportunity for the world of Islam to persuade Russia to make dirham & dinar legal tender. And if Russia were to make gold & silver coins legal tender, that creates an opportunity for the world of Islam. We would now have a bigger market with which we can engage & trade, by-passing the electronic money banking system.

The fact that Russia is standing up to Zionists, not only throws into the garbage bin the arguments raised by others that Russia is Zionist state, but more than that, it sets the stage for armageddon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon), because the Zionists are pursing a pig-headed obsession, a pig-headed obsession to rule the world. It doesn’t matter to them what is the price. So if the price is World War with Russia, then so be it. If the price is that most of mankind will perish, so be it. It doesn’t matter to them. The Zionists, they don’t have a mind of their own to think, their minds are controlled by Dajjal.

So the stage is now set for armageddon, or what prophet called the bell hammer, and from the perspective of Islamic eschatology, we know that the next major event that will occur in history will be—armageddon.

The timeline:



1. Jerusalem emerges as center-stage in the world.
2. Madina is in full-on desolation.
3. Armageddon.
Once the Armageddon breaks out, which can take place anytime, now. Its going to be soon, how soon, I don’t know, nobody knows, but we know its soon, for all Algeria. Once the Armageddon takes place, that’s the cue for you in Algeria, that’s the cue for you in Morocco, and in Tunisia, to go ahead and join the army—the army that will conquer Constantinople, because that is the prophecy.

When I went to Moscow last July (2013), and I informed them about Islamic eschatology, informing them on the basis of Islamic eschatology we know that there is a conquest of Constantinople that is coming that is prophesied by the prophet Mohammed. That’s why they have banned me in Turkey. They don’t want the Turkish people to know. They don’t want the Turkish Muslims to know that the prophesied conquest of Constantinople has not as yet taken place.

Now the pieces on the chessboard are being put into place. The first major move on the chessboard happened just a few days ago—when Russia took control of Crimea. Why is Crimea so important? I will tell you why…

You don’t need a Ph.D. from M.I.T. to know that the great war that is coming is going to be fought with nuclear weapons. No! You don’t need a PhD to know that once nuclear weapons stop, its going to be a fight to the finish. So, thousands of nuclear weapons are going to be used. You don’t need a PhD to know that not only would most of mankind perish, and most of mankind seems to deserve to perish because they have turned away from Allah. But more than that, that the radiation that will be emitted from the explosion of thousands of nuclear weapons is going to so pollute the atmosphere that even birds will fall down. Why will birds fall down? Because the birds can no longer navigate.

The electromagnetic wave pollution will be so great that birds can no longer navigate. Nothing will be able to fly after that, that’s good-bye to electronic warfare. That’s good-bye to aircraft, nothing will fly after that, no Cruise missiles can be used after that, no air-to-surface missiles can be used after that. Not after the Armageddon. For their wars after the Armageddon are going to be fought on the land & the sea, not in the air.

The wars are going to only be fought on the land & the sea. Now then, there is a straight line between Crimea & Constantinople, and we can now understand why the Zionists probably cannot digest their dinner, after the events of the past few days. What has happened is a straight line between Crimea & Constantinople is now clearly visible. So an attack upon Constantinople will be on land & on the sea. The land attack on Constantinople will be attack by an army, a land army of Muslims.

http://curezone.com/upload/_T_Forums/Turiya_Files_/Constantinople_Crimea.png

And so, the conquest of Constantinople will take place on the basis of an alliance with Rûm. We’ve seen this part of the alliance—the army will come from Algeria, Morocco… from all over. And the naval part will be coming from a straight line from Crimea to Constantinople.

Once the city of Constantinople is captured, the back of NATO is broken. The Russian fleet can enter the Mediterranean… and that is going to be “paradise” for Israel.


posted by turiya :cool:

[Flash]

Turiya,

Although the analysis of Crimean history versus Russia and Russia's reaction versus the West is right, the rest of that article is clealy talking about prédictions exclusively based on the Quran, inciting jihad towards Constantinople which is the actual istanbul. And more, all based on the Quran.

This makes me think of fundamentalist Christians some also Mormons, sending money to Israel because their bible says that Jérusalem has to be the center of the world.

Both based on old books that were written before we ever had the weapons we have and that are followed litterally by blinded people, the mass chattel, from which the author seems to be as well, even if he says the contrary. No reasoning Worth of that word in the background of this text.

My real question is Why do you post something inciting violence against Christians, Jews or anybody based on a closed minded interpretation of the Quran (I would say the same if it was the bible)???

[turiya]

...posting something inciting violence against Christians, Jews...
What! Excuse me, but what are you talking about? From where did you get that from?

You seemed to have overlooked Islam, you left out the Muslims. You know... the part in which Imran Hosein had brought up the "Dajjal's warriors" those who consider themselves to be "mujahideen” Muslims (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen), that are engaged with receiving weapons from NATO—who, by the way, are the real enemies of Islam.

Certainly he would be creating friction between himself and this latter component — these so-called Muslims that call themselves ‘mujahideen’— as well as creating friction with the majority of all the other Islamic scholars that don't accept his point of view. He is simply calling a spade a spade, unlike most all the other Islamic scholars who voice an opposing opinion.

You must have also missed the part where he had said: “Yes, the Quran does identify a Christian people with whom we have a friendly relationship.” This is something that most other Islamic scholars, due to the generically accepted interpretation, DO NOT ACCEPT.

Imran also puts forth this statement (which is far from inciting violence):



“If the Quran has informed us that we have a positive relationship with Rûm [Russia], then should we not be striving & struggling with the vicisitudes (http://translation.babylon.com/spanish/to-english/vicisitudes/) (misfortunes) of warfare, sometimes there may be a skirmish here or there, but our diplomatic philosophy would be: to always seek to establish a relationship with them that is friendly, NOT perpetual jihad.

Is it not strange, therefore, that for 500 years an Ottoman Empire, which would like us to believe that it was an Islamic Empire, wage eternal jihad on Rûm, while maintaining friendly ties with the other Christians.” It is obvious that, here, he is not inciting any violence at all to occur between the Turkish Muslims & Russia. On the contrary, he has been opposed to the past violence that has occurred, as well as opposed to any future violence that may occur between these two parties.

My post was not meant to detract from the topic at hand, as you are attempting to paint such a picture. You don't think that those who have called themselves "The Anglo-Saxon Mission" are attempting to follow a script laid down by someone, some entity, some thing that claims to have attained some superior insight from somewhere?

(Just thinking out loud, here.)
Since it has been said in the interview that the "The Anglo-Saxon Mission" has a Masonic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry) connection, and knowing that Alice Bailey (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alice_Bailey) has provided the fundamental doctrines for that occult organization, that I can't help but point out the similarities between the name of the entity that Alice Bailey had channeled (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Channelling), djwhal khul (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul), and the Islamic name for the anti-Christ, Dajjal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal). Just tweeks my curiosity when the interview went on to the topic of whether there was non-human entity involved with the so-called Anglo-Saxon Missionary group.

Now, getting back as to 'WHY' I have posted this material here? As it pertains to Bill’s interview with the man called 'WITNESS'. Primarily, the point that is specifically being made relates to Bill’s questioning of WITNESS about Russia, as follows:



BILL: And how about Russia? Where does Russia stand?
WITNESS: I believe Russia is a player, but I've got no evidence. For some reason or other Russia really doesn't get a look in here; and it's just an assumption of mine that the Russian government that's in place at the moment is hand-in-hand with the controlling players that are here in the West.
In his lecture, Imran specifically points out that Russia has stood up to the Zionists (a.k.a. the Anglo-Saxon Mission, imo). Meaning, that the WITNESS has only assumed that Russia is a part of the of “The Anglo-Saxon Mission”, perhaps, only because they are basically a nation of Anglo-Saxon peoples.

Now, onto other statements that appear in parallel:



WITNESS: There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological.
Imran provides this equally disturbing statement: You don’t need a Ph.D. from M.I.T. to know that the great war that is coming is going to be fought with nuclear weapons.

WITNESS: [T]he planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%.
Imran: You don’t need a PhD to know that not only would most of mankind perish… it sets the stage for Armageddon, because the Zionists are pursuing a pig-headed obsession, a pig-headed obsession to rule the world. It doesn’t matter to them what is the price. So if the price is World War with Russia, then so be it. If the price is that most of mankind will perish, so be it. It doesn’t matter to them. The Zionists, they don’t have a mind of their own to think, their minds are controlled by Dajjal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masih_ad-Dajjal).

WITNESS: I believe there will be a limited nuclear exchange -- there will be some sort of ceasefire. That was spoken about; they anticipated a quick ceasefire, but not before millions had already died, principally in the Middle East. So, we'll have the ceasefire, and it's during this time of the ceasefire that events will start to really take off.
Imran Hosein: You don’t need a PhD to know that once nuclear weapons stop, its going to be a fight to the finish.”

WITNESS: …they talk about "the road to Jerusalem," as it were…
Imran Hosein: There are events which fall in line — the timeline: the first being that Jerusalem emerges as center-stage in the world.

WITNESS: Our source believes that this [WW3/Armageddon] is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months [that was in 2009—about 5 years ago].
Imran Hosein: …Armageddon takes place, which can take place anytime now, its going to be soon. How soon, I don’t know, nobody knows, but we know its soon.

Bill Ryan (from the interview): Okay. So what you're saying, then, is that there's a long-term plan which has being decided quite a while ago to set up the situation, to set up the chessboard, the global chessboard…
Imran Hosein: Now the pieces on the chessboard are being put into place. The first major move on the chessboard happened just a few days ago—when Russia took control of Crimea.


Timeline from Interview:


 - There is a planned Third World War, which will be nuclear and biological. Our source believes that this is on track to be initiated within the next 18-24 months.
 - It is planned to begin with a strike by Israel on Iran. Either Iran or China will be provoked into a nuclear response. After a brief nuclear exchange, there will be a ceasefire. The world will be thrown into fear and chaos - all carefully engineered.
 - The extreme state of tension will be used to justify heavy social and military controls in all western first world nations. Plans are already in place for that.
 - During the nuclear ceasefire, there is planned to be a covert release of biological weapons. These will initially be targeted against the Chinese. As our source chillingly told us, "China will catch a cold". Biological warfare will spread further, to the west. Infrastructure will be critically weakened.
 - This is intended to be just the beginning. After this, a full nuclear exchange would be triggered: the "real" war, with widespread destruction and loss of life. Our source tells us that the planned population reduction through these combined means is 50%. He heard this figure stated in the meeting.

Imran Hosein - The timeline:


1. Jerusalem emerges as center-stage in the world.
2. Madina is in full-on desolation.
3. Armageddon.


turiya :cool:

[Atlas]

based on old books that were written before we ever had the weapons we have and that are followed litterally by blinded people, the mass chattel, from which the author seems to be as well, even if he says the contrary.

Made me laugh... ;)

I need to read turiya's post again but I find it interesting the similarities between “The Anglo-Saxon Mission” and the “Judeo-Christian Zionist Alliance”, as for example, the prediction of a nuclear apocalypse on our lovely planet.

[DangerousDan]

"The white Caucasians"? I really have a hard time with that one.Yes the rest of it definitely falls in line with what we know and have expected for some time,but I am quite certain the Caucasians are expected to be eliminated along with the Asians.There is a huge volume of literature to that effect written in the last century and immigration policy throughout the west supports this.I know it is a controversial subject that most reflexively shy away from but I cannot deny what I am seeing with my own eyes.The Zionists in particular have made their plans for the hated Caucasians well known.Am I way off base here?

[bluestflame]

just rereading through this , i felt nudged to

[bluestflame]

here we go again

[Carmody]

Interesting choice of words for a title and a subject by the spokesperson:

‘Russia at war with Anglo-Saxon media’ – Putin spokesman (https://www.rt.com/news/337335-russia-anglo-saxon-media-war/)

(RT website link)

[Cidersomerset]

This has been brewing for a few years.......


Classic Putin moments: Putin Laughs Off Hilary Clinton's Threat To Russia

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Hillary Clinton: US Losing Information War to Alternative Media

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[Ewan]

A more concise and, arguably, comprehensible version of the original BBC documentary "Operation Gladio" that lasted well over two hours with poor quality pictures and a lot of sub-titles.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k83L3I6Z35w

So, does the Operation continue. I mean, why throw out a perfectly good system of creating chaos and influencing opinion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3q0qau8f0w8

[Atlas]

This 1921 article (http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/lccn/sn85042345/1921-03-20/ed-1/seq-9/) reads: "domination of the world by Anglo-Saxons wearing the tarn helmar":

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/44908464/avalon/divs/ww1.jpg

:facepalm: These guys knew what they were doing...

From wikipedia.org/Cloak_of_invisibility#Tarnkappe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloak_of_invisibility#Tarnkappe):



Although occurrences in fairy tales are rare, the cloak of invisibility appears in the German tale The Twelve Dancing Princesses and in The King of the Golden Mountain in Grimm's Fairy Tales. The cloak in German fairy tales may be traceable to the tarnkappe ("cloak of concealment"), such as the one that the hero Sîfrit (Siegfried) acquires from the dwarf Alberich in the Middle High German epic Nibelungenlied. [...]

http://pictures.abebooks.com/NORBERTKNOELL/17437326931.jpg

[bluestflame]

yep , still on the cards i rekon too much planning has gone into it to abandon completely , surely they've allowed for adaptations , zionists may have thier own plans but it's all in the timing isn't it ?

no point tipping thier hand till it's time to act , allowing things to run thier course for now i rekon

[araucaria]

The following twenty-page essay is based on the quote below from the transcript (http://projectavalon.net/lang/en/anglo_saxon_mission_presentation_transcript_en.html)of Bill Ryan’s Anglo-Saxon Mission presentation video.
I want just to apply a little logical thinking to one small snippet regarding population, and explore a few of its numerous implications without any preconceived ideas as to where this will lead. While preferred outcomes are no more than wishful thinking, adopting a neutral stance amounts to bracing oneself for a possible shock, which is probably why it is never easy.

He said: Absolutely, it’s about population reduction.

So, I said: Well, in this meeting, did they mention any figures?

And he said: Yes, they did. Fifty percent.
Half the world’s population. This is planned, as per the Georgia Guidestones. For those of you who don’t know what the Georgia Guidestones are, it’s a stone monument in Georgia, in America, [Ed note: Elberton, Georgia] that was erected anonymously a number of years ago. It’s in eight languages, and it’s like an Illuminati manifesto for a “new world”, as it were. And just hold that thought about this being a manifesto for a new world. This is an important concept here in what I’m presenting.

One of the key parts of this manifesto for this new world is that there should be a population of 500 million people. Now, 500 million people is an enormous reduction from the nearly 7 billion that we’ve got at the moment. That’s pretty much 95% of people who would no longer be on this planet. And 50% is a step towards that, and there’s a reason why they’re doing all of this. There’s a reason why they’re in a hurry. There’s a reason for this insanity.

And when he was explaining this, then he said that they have a name for this plan. This project has got a name. And I said: Well, what is this name?

He said: It is called the “Anglo-Saxon Mission”.Bill’s idea is that the ‘New World’ as in ‘New World Order’ may refer to a new post-cataclysmic world after the next in a cyclical series of cataclysms. Someone (I forget who: possibly George Green) has suggested that the Earth was planned by Pleiadians from the outset as a 500-million person project. Be that as it may, the major question has to be: accepting for just a moment (all that is needed at this stage) that controllers have been operating behind the scenes for thousands of years, how on earth has this control been failing so miserably over population control, to the extent that we are now fourteen times over the ideal figure, and counting? There is something so extremely far-fetched about this scenario that conspiracy-scepticism is clearly by far the safer option.

When you fill a kettle with water, you slow down as you approach the top so as to avoid spilling liquid everywhere. Similarly, you would begin to apply the brakes on population as soon as you are approaching the planet’s capacity. Working on the principle that the oldest available source might be the most reliable, I checked my 1976 Encyclopédie Larousse, to discover that this ‘ideal’ population of 500 million was reached in the early seventeenth century. That means that population levels have been getting increasingly unmanageable for all of four centuries. Another major question then becomes: since we are all still here, albeit only just hanging on, why is the ideal figure so small? It is like we have poured 14 liters into a 1-liter kettle with little or no spillage. The answer is fairly simple, but some careful analysis is needed to make the point crystal clear.

While overpopulation makes no sense in those particular terms, the scale-model approach of subsystem analogies is all an earth-bound human has to comprehend such matters of a global nature. The only alternative is an advanced ET civilization able to embrace the situation from an even bigger perspective. In other words, paraphrasing the French writer Voltaire with reference to God, if such a perspective did not exist, we would have to invent it. This is what channellers, contactees and deep thinkers all have in common: they are simply using different tools (some possibly rather blunt) to gain this understanding from a higher perspective. My own tool is just a human brain, which it is important for people to see in action whose minds are closed to the woo-woo element involved in other approaches. The idea then is to explore the properties of devices with a maximum capacity specification that are more familiar than planets and their populations, of which we really only have one probably atypical instance.

The first observation is that capacity is a function of the space and time requirement of individuals. You can build a restaurant to seat fifty people which will serve 150 evening meals in 3 sittings or 50 wedding guests spending the whole evening. Here the time requirement is the variable factor, not the amount of available food. The time requirement means that life expectancy is a factor in population – a long-lived group would need fewer numbers than a more ephemeral one with a higher turnover. The space requirement will be fairly stable based on average body size: you may be able to squeeze in a few extra places, but not many, and you may at other times have to operate under capacity, say to accommodate a team of heavyweights. There is a balance to be struck between numbers and comfort. The balance will be different in an underground train compared with a bus (more standing room, less seats), or in a lowcost short-haul flight (more seats, less baggage).

You know the old joke: how many elephants can you fit into a small saloon car? Answer: 4 (two in the front, two in the back)! Here is another unfunny version: how many people can you fit into a jumbo jet? Answer: 660 tourists, or just a handful of ultrarich using it as a private plane.

Hence the 500m population makes better sense in terms of comfort. It is a setup for the superrich, who, as we know, ‘need’ kingsize beds in kingsize suites in kingsize mansions on kingsize estates etc. – in one well-chosen word, they have a greater ‘need’ than ordinary mortals for ‘Lebensraum’. The elite is itself the proverbial ‘waste of space’, not the ‘useless eaters’ whose space they confiscate. Why do they need so much space? Simple answer: they cannot live together. Personal space requirement is reduced with intimacy: a loving couple at a pinch can share a single bed; others cannot survive alone in a 2m bed, they need a room of their own. But when space becomes a finite resource, they have to confine people together in a way that, owing to their lack of intimacy, amounts to an encroachment of personal space that is the source of all kinds of trouble and strife on every scale. So the basic, theoretical equation of spatial capacity is a balancing act whereby on the one hand, peace and harmony rely on a certain distance – the need for personal space – and yet greater intimacy is achieved by reducing that distance, and mutually entering and sharing that personal space, but without abolishing it. On the other hand, it would seem that the inability to share personal space tends to worsen, resulting in an insatiable greed for more space, and hence more isolation.

The French word promiscuité simply describes such enforced intimacy: one sees how the Anglo-Saxon (i.e. English-speaking) connotation of sexual permissiveness has been latched onto this basic premise. Promiscuity in the English sense is then the clumsy way in which these ‘space invaders’ attempt to deal with physical closeness.

What is happening with the global increase in awareness, however, is probably that enforced and prolonged intimacy is leading to real intimacy, rather in the way an arranged marriage can turn into a loving relationship, or strangers forced to sit together on public transport will often start chatting. It is a two-way process: just as heat increases pressure (e.g. in a pressure cooker) and pressure increases heat (e.g. a car tyre melting snow), the pressure of overpopulation can produce warmth through this reverse action. So, for example, many people are racist towards groups they have never encountered, but when they do meet individual members of the hated group, they start making exceptions. Anyone following the opposite Big-Bang type path of expansion may not be able to benefit from or perhaps even see this unexpected advantage of the Big Crunch scenario, and there will (has?) come a point where the two diverging groups are beyond each other’s range altogether.

The example of the bed was a static case: when you are asleep you need little more space than the size of a coffin, which is an unpalatable thought for many of us, I expect. Life on the other hand is motion, dynamic. Something interesting happens when you factor in motion. What you find is that speed has a spatial extension. If, say, you are waiting on a sideroad to join a busy highway, the faster the traffic, the bigger the empty space it commands around it. You can only jump out in front of a slow vehicle, a faster one can be much further away and still too close for comfort. So it takes very few fast-moving vehicles to cause a traffic jam at the junction. Hence you have the paradoxical situation where congestion (i.e. dead slow traffic) is caused not by dead slow traffic but by high speed traffic. The elite’s answer is to have advanced private (sometimes secret) high-speed transport to private destinations. This is no bad thing inasmuch as it takes their traffic off the public highways, which can then become faster and more (democratically) efficient by slowing down.

This is further evidence that shared space is subjectively larger than the same space used selfishly. A small house has private areas and common areas. Larger properties such as mansions, palaces or hotels could accommodate more people equally comfortably, but they often don’t. What industrialists call ‘economy of scale’ works very well in their businesses, but they will not hear of it being applied to their private lives.

So what is the ideal space requirement for a human individual? If we take the analogy of trees in nature, is it more like the area occupied by a fine old oak in the grounds of some stately home, or the much more confined space of a forest tree? The latter gains what it loses in surface coverage in height and straightness of knot-free timber, and most of all in sheer numbers of trees, while the former branches out superbly in all directions, like a small forest unto itself: what might be called a ‘family tree’, but one highly hierarchized into a ‘tree diagram’. In other words, there are two possible lines of evolution: the one taken by nature, the other taken by civilization, a kind of Nietzschean overtree. There is an interesting parallel with humanity right there: with the rise of the Überbaum, we have seen deforestation on a scale that is jeopardizing the future of the planet. Meanwhile, with the rise of the superhuman, we are seeing the demise of the ordinary forest-tree human, with the final collapse to coincide, we are told, with planetary cataclysm. As we know, when we fail to take responsibility for our own disastrous ways, catastrophe will seem to come in the shape of some uncontrollable outside force.

Another point we need to examine therefore, is the relationship between the two events. The Anglo-Saxon Mission claims that since humanity is going to be largely wiped out anyway, they might as well stage-manage the event for the best possible outcome, which happens to coincide with their own personal best interests. Since cataclysm is synonymous with mass death, demographic issues are crucial to the question of survival and revival, and so it is important to see how each type of human tree would fare. In normal circumstances, the forest tree sows its annual crop of acorns at its foot. Most of them don’t survive for any length of time, but they do produce a lush undergrowth providing food and shelter for wild life, and whenever the parent tree finally dies, there are sure to be enough partly grown survivors to fill the gap. This notion of filling a gap (‘Nature abhors a vacuum’) applies equally to individual branches; it is well known for example that if you want to trim a tree or bush on say its left side, you cut back the other side, since pruning stimulates growth and hence no pruning keeps it slow.

The large oak at the stately home, on the other hand, will be mostly sterile, its acorns swept up as so much litter, except perhaps for any sent to seed banks and other nursery projects. It is basically a star all on its own, the subject of lavish photos for coffee table books; and when it’s gone it’s gone, mostly as firewood. The matter of continuity is no longer a naturally fertile, self-sustaining process; it tends towards a sterile test-tube environment where human intervention is necessary and difficult. However, there is a situation where human intervention does become necessary, if only to offset human interference in the natural process. As Shakespeare and Tolkein knew, the natural process is also somewhat dynamic: trees sow seeds outside of their own footprint, enabling them slowly to move to wherever is better suited to their needs, notably to adjust to climate change. Since farming and urbanization interfere with this process, forestry management is a necessary tool to help this migration along. Hence, here in France we have a project (http://www.lemonde.fr/planete/visuel/2016/07/29/derniere-chance-pour-la-biodiversite-les-arbres-de-verdun-premiers-deplaces-climatiques_4976100_3244.html)to import Mediterranean oaks up north to the old battlefields of Verdun, where they will do better than both the original local population and their home population down south.


This is interesting from the perspective of the Anglo-Saxon Mission, which expects some kind of earth crustal shift, in the order of 1700-2000 miles southward for the West, as I recall. (Incidentally, others talk about Maine experiencing a Siberian climate, which is rather going in the opposite direction; this is a major discrepancy in the catastrophe meme.) This is one way in which man and nature can work together as of now and lessen the catastrophic effects of any coming cataclysm. That one French project has already cut 500 miles off the afore-mentioned distance. It would seem from this perspective that the optimum survival of the species on this planet does not lie in seed banks and sperm banks and tiny elites holed up in underground bunkers, but in the work of many hands on the planet’s surface right now. This is common to most known emergency situations, where many hands cooperate to remove casualties from rubble after e.g. earthquakes, or to provide disaster relief. What we generally find is cooperation and heroism, when the likes of the Anglo-Saxon Mission threaten us with nothing but selfish violence. They are merely projecting their own fear: for them there is no safety in numbers. But that is not how it would be.

Coming back to human population, clearly the lesson of pruning has been lost on any controllers resorting to war as a population control mechanism. The generation of baby boomers that followed World War II was just one example of how killing off large numbers of mostly young males tends to have the opposite effect. We may also note another paradox: the world’s population as a whole has never risen so steeply as it has since the advent of effective contraceptives. If we take the last generation of families in Catholic Europe before the arrival of the pill, which changed attitudes to the Church’s teaching, Catholics would have their planned quota of children and then apply the natural temperature method to determine the most fertile days in the menstrual cycle requiring abstinence. Presumably some would quickly get the hang of the system, only to tire of the constraints involved, while others might take a while, and still others might never do so. The point is that, even if sometimes ineffectually, people started taking action to control births as soon as they reached their ideal family size. This brings us back to the earlier question: if anyone has been controlling the planet all along, and a fortiori if the planet was designed to certain specifications, when and why and how did such laxity and incompetence creep in leading to the current situation? The answer, one suspects, lies in the field of economics. What changed attitudes in the second half of the twentieth century compared with a century earlier was not so much a loss of child-bearing ability as the loss of home-makers, with women joining the labour force during and after two world wars. They were too busy and too poor to have children beyond those who would replace them in the workforce. In other words, any others were made redundant before birth. Note how birth control was not regulated by central policy as later in China; not until only very recently (this century) were people worried about overburdening the planet, being mainly concerned about overburdening their own household.

The global awareness needed for this kind of thinking only really arrives with the Internet. Of course conspiracy theory implies global awareness among the elite. That is not the same thing as global awareness for all, i.e. global self-awareness. The difference is quantitative of course, but mostly qualitative. Global awareness for the few is equatable with the ‘bigger perspective’ of the ET type I mentioned earlier. What it lacks is the sense of belonging that comes from removing the distance that the bigger perspective implies, in other words the degree of intimacy required for humans to function together normally. Hence any application of this bigger perspective without that degree of intimacy becomes either non-benevolent (ET) or inhuman (human) behaviour. It doesn’t really matter which terminology you use: the bottom line is that humans and humanity are getting hurt. Global self-awareness resolves that issue, regardless of whether any particular individual is a perpetrator or victim, willing or unwilling – that is what we mean by global. There is one overriding rule in operation here that goes flatly against the oligarchical misrule that has governed human existence for so long: this process of global self-awareness is fully democratic, involving on an equal footing, one man one vote, all those entities who have incarnated on this planet, and none of those prevented from so doing by various types of population control. In French we say ‘les absents ont toujours tort’ (the absent are always wrong). The elite define themselves as an elite by precisely their heavy reliance upon those absent ones. They cannot prevail. The remainder of this essay explores this idea of this Achilles’ heel of theirs: underpopulation.

Since the Georgia Guidestones/Anglo-Saxon Mission 500 million mark was reached, as I indicated, in the early 17th century, there is a possible explanation for why nothing effective was undertaken or achieved at that time. This was when people started emigrating to America. In other words, a form of overpopulation may have been felt locally in Europe, only for the pressure to be removed by the availability of this Lebensraum in America. This is the stage in my thinking I had reached when I synchronistically leafed through a book I reread last spring: Joseph P. Farrell’s The Financial Vipers of Venice. Flicking through its pages from the end, I noted the following:

1) On page 218, this quote from Webster Tarpley:

The status of Britain as the nation foutué of modern history is due in particular to the sixteenth and seventeenth century metastasis into England and Scotland of the Venetian oligarchy along with its philosophy, political forms, family fortunes and imperial geopolitics.(I am not sure what is meant by ‘foutué’, but the French word ‘foutu/foutue’ means f*cked-up, which sounds about right.) One’s first reaction is that such an influx might be enough to trigger a wave of emigrations. Shakespeare’s Shylock dates from this period, whose most notable feature was likely not his Jewishness but his status as a Merchant of Venice, not out there in far-off Italy but something rotten back home in the kingdom of England, as it was then.

2) On page 205, this (original emphasis):

Venice, at least, had knowledge of the New World, and actively suppressed this knowledge for nearly three centuries. The reason for such suppression is abundantly clear, for the New World would represent possible new sources of bullion, ending the virtual Venetian monopoly on international bullion trade, and it would also represent an end to the Venetian near-monopoly on trade with the Far East...Farrell explains how Christopher Columbus, representing Genoese and Spanish interests against Venice, was seeking to break this Venetian monopoly in what amounts to an act of economic warfare. It appears then that the subsequent colonization of the New World, as the next stage in this war, took place when Venice made its move north, first to Amsterdam, then to London, both like Venice, located in swampy lagoons, but much better globally positioned than at the top end of the Adriatic Sea. Hence, while the New World Order meme may indeed refer to life after some global cataclysm, it would seem to have originally pointed to the emergence of America on the world scene. The crucial lesson here is that the current monolithic connotation of the New World Order, equated with One World Government, is, from the historical viewpoint at least, entirely mistaken; the phrase actually referring to attempts to outflank the Venetian oligarchs. Independently of possible confiscation of the New World Order label, why the Anglo-Saxon Mission in London’s City is seeing its agenda (as overheard more than ten years ago now) getting increasingly behind schedule is because it is encountering major opposition in high places, presumably operating under some other name; it is not the all-powerful force it would like us to believe it is.

3) The whole of Farrell’s book is germane to the present discussion, and this includes one of the more unexpected sections which next caught my eye on page 103-4: on ‘Giammaria Ortes and the Origin of the Carrying Capacity Myth, and other Oligarchical Memes’.

Giammaria Ortes, whom Webster Tarpley, in a significant and magisterial piece of research exposing the origin of the meme of overpopulation, called “the decadent Venetian kook who originated the myth of ‘carrying capacity’ (http://tarpley.net/online-books/against-oligarchy/giammaria-ortes-the-decadent-venetian-kook-who-originated-the-myth-of-carrying-capacity/)”. Carrying capacity is simply the idea that the Earth has a maximum population that it can “carry” or support, an idea that, not surprisingly, originated with Venice’s financial oligarchy. This “meme” was the brainchild of one Giammaria Ortes, “a defrocked ... monk and libertine, who in 1790, in the last year of his life, published the raving tract ‘Reflections on the Population of Nations in Relation to National Economy’.As Tarpley indicates, Ortes calculates contemporary global (by now truly worldwide) population at 1.1 billion, making his theory of a ceiling at 3 billion purely futuristic conjecture, and with the benefit of hindsight utter tosh:

“In this way, since it is believed that all the products mentioned above as necessary for human life which can be extracted from the entire surface of the earth and from the animals that are found there are as many as are sufficient to feed, to dress, and to house up to 3,000 million persons, this will therefore be the maximum of persons capable of surviving at the same time on earth, and that progression will have to stop when it arrives at that number; this is something that will happen after 840 years if the 7 persons assumed had found themselves alone on the earth at the creation of the world or after a universal flood. If that progression [of population] were to proceed beyond this, the parents would have to strangle their babies in their diapers or use them as food, unless the earth were to expand like a balloon blown up from the inside, and did not double its surface for each new generation until it filled the immensity of the skies.” [Ortes, p. 34] Hence Ortes was talking about a time 160 years in his future and 60 years in our past (1959 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population)). It is not clear when the practice of using (other people’s) babies as food became widespread, as alleged by some, but this date sounds about right.

The very existence of the New World busted the idea of the Old World as being a closed system: it clearly wasn’t that, and it was quite an achievement to manage to keep the lid on that secret for several centuries. And the fact that the current world is not a closed system either is another impossible-to-keep secret; it cannot be claimed that we have nowhere to go. Quite apart from other planets out there, we have a planet right here which is, on the one hand, 70% under water and rising (the water and the percentage), and seeing increasing desertification on the other. This is clearly a crazy contradiction since a major effort to desalinize sea water and pump it into deserts would increase available land mass from two directions at once – reclaiming both arid land and areas under shallow water. And of course another major factor in this open system is the Earth’s unexhausted potential for harbouring life, including human (7.4 bn and still rising).

In other words, in practical terms, our current world is not going to behave like a closed system any time soon. But more than that, as we saw above, and as Joseph Farrell makes abundantly clear, in theoretical terms, the very principle of the closed system is busted: it is the product of a very basic misunderstanding of how reality works that has proved irresistibly attractive to some in a very limited and misguided way. Hence we cannot put a theoretical maximum figure on population or anything else: it depends on how much our spiritual evolution allows us to handle and how willing we are to go with that. Alternatively, the lower one’s artificial ceiling, the closer it gets to the personal hell of Just Me. Absolute population control at extremely low levels is indeed the major problem above all for the extraordinarily dysfunctional families of the (Venetian) oligarchy itself, as Tarpley points out in a passage not quoted by Farrell:

Ortes admitted more or less openly that he was writing about Venice. His chapters on the demographics of noble families reflected the Venetian decadence: for the family fondo to remain concentrated in a single line of biological inheritance, all the sons but one had to remain unmarried, with the youngest son often being given the responsibility for carrying on the line. More than two-thirds of the daughters of the aristocracy had no hope of finding husbands, and generally entered convents and other religious institutions which quickly acquired a reputation for licentiousness. According to E. Rodenwalt, in the sixteenth century 51% of Venetian male nobles remained unmarried; in the seventeenth century this had risen to 60%, and in Venice’s final century to 66%. Of the fourteen doges who reigned between 1675 and 1775, only four were ever married–and this does not count the “dogaressa” mentioned above.
The impoverished nobility formed a social class known as the barnabotti who retained their membership in the Maggior Consiglio, but who were forced by their noble status to abstain from any productive work and who thus tended to become corrupt state officials, political fixers, spies for the Council of Ten, etc. Many barnabotti lived on government welfare payments. Free housing and other provisions were offered to any of the barnabotti who agreed to remain unmarried and to have no offspring. In order to avoid the decimation of the ranks of the aristocracy, family membership in the Maggior Consiglio was offered in return for large cash payments at various times during the eighteenth century. This was the policy warmly recommended by Ortes as one of the main policy points of his Reflections on Population: a way of selling luxurious state rooms on the Titanic. Hence population control is essentially a concern for those intent on the survival of this artificial structure called an oligarchy. To remain effective it has to keep the top of the pyramid tiny, but not too tiny (a difficult balancing act), thereby resulting in this by-product, lower echelons devoted to supporting the apex. This is a useful tier of loyal servants (family members) who are nonetheless diverted from normal healthy living and perverted into such things as a celibate, paedophilic rather than fertile clerical class, including but not limited to the clergy

This is a recipe for breeding contented malcontents. Take prince Charles: he produces an heir and a spare, then discards his wife. His mother also produced an heir and a spare, and later on two more useless eaters, just to keep up the public pretence of a normal family. Such overpopulation is necessary simply to keep the bloodline going; but that is what it is: overpopulation in the service of underpopulation.

However, the overpopulation rate among the elite is much higher than the above. There is another whole layer still, comprising people at the point of leakage of the oligarchy into the population at large. This is the population of illegitimate offspring we rarely get to hear about because they aren’t supposed to exist at all, but reportedly do exist in large numbers. This is where the malcontents can become dangerously subversive, but they come with an inbuilt safety mechanism. So for example, if anyone finds out that Karl Marx (who mentions Ortes in a positive light) was a Rothschild bastard, this only serves to discredit both him, as being one of them instead of being a powerful whistle-blower, and his work. This is how they control both sides of a given situation, to the point of nullifying the argument itself, with no right and wrong positions. Of course many such people are truly compromised, but others are not, and most of all, there are very much two sides to the argument, and a choice has finally to be made.

This is – or should be – the message of the alternative media, which can be paraphrased by saying: even for the oligarchs, population is what it is, a collective uncontrollable by anything less than its entire individual membership. The vote of every person in attendance counts, and no one else’s. Another way of saying that the human experience is a physical, hands-on affair. You cannot hold your nose and fail to turn up; you cannot have someone else to do your dirty work for you – things that royalty and discarnate spirits have in common. You have to feel you belong here and get your hands dirty. This is how you put the ‘self’ into global self-awareness. There is no other way – card-carrying members only. If you didn’t ‘sign up for this’, you get cleared out. That means catastrophe for some, no doubt – they will not be missed, they were never truly here; catastrophe for all, no way.

[thedood73]

Who or what is at the top of the pyramid in your opinion?

[Bill Ryan]

Who or what is at the top of the pyramid in your opinion?

If that question's addressed to myself, I think the very top of the pyramid (restricting the issue to this planet!) is a small multinational group, primarily based in the UK and Europe, that has no public name, and no publicly known individuals.

Within that, I think there have for a while been two factions, that may have recently come to some agreement. But not every national administration in the world (e.g. Russia and China) may be under their full control, or even maybe under much control at all.

If that's broadly correct, the Bilderbergers, CFR, Trilateral Commission, PNAC, Illuminati, Knights of Malta, Skull and Bones, and even the Jesuits and the Vatican (and certainly the US presidential apparatus and even those that control that) are all in the levels below.

[araucaria]

Who or what is at the top of the pyramid in your opinion?
Just in case it was me you were asking, let me add to Bill’s answer by simply referring to some posts of mine that make explicit something implicit in many of my contributions: the ‘top of the pyramid’ notion is highly problematic. This is also implied in your question and in Bill’s answer when he says ‘(restricting the issue to this planet!)’.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70201-Adolf-Hitler-The-Greatest-Story-Never-Told&p=828566&viewfull=1#post828566
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?62687-Voluntary-enslavement-a-legally-invalid-concept&p=720830&viewfull=1#post720830
Or (not for the faint-hearted :)): http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?63451-The-Secret-Architecture-of-France--s-Capital&p=748031&viewfull=1#post748031
If you read these posts, you will understand why I prefer to focus on the ‘grassroots up’ approach, which also happens to be where we are and where we can make a difference, whereas the ‘top of the pyramid’ is up in the clouds, out of sight if it exists at all. I read recently somewhere that people in the 1% view themselves as not belonging to the elite: no one ever does, and that is precisely the main feature of this phenomenon whereby the most powerful man on earth is always someone’s puppet – and as below, so above.
So if you want to find the people with real power, come back down here. :)

[pounamuknight]

An interview with Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton from Moderate Rebels, interviewing propaganda expert Professor David Miller, about the Integrity Initiative: a propaganda outfit employed by dark elements within UK secret service

doip79-pYn0

Partway through the interview, they discuss Ukranian neo-Nazi contact being briefed by an Integrity Initiative executive, where he mentions threats to the "Anglo-Saxon world view..." https://youtu.be/doip79-pYn0?t=1071

I recommend listening to the entire thing. But that part really blew me away

[Bill Ryan]

An interview with Max Blumenthal and Ben Norton from Moderate Rebels, interviewing propaganda expert Professor David Miller, about the Integrity Initiative: a propaganda outfit employed by dark elements within UK secret service

doip79-pYn0

Partway through the interview, they discuss Ukranian neo-Nazi contact being briefed by an Integrity Initiative executive, where he mentions threats to the "Anglo-Saxon world view..." https://youtu.be/doip79-pYn0?t=1071

I recommend listening to the entire thing. But that part really blew me away

~~~

Thanks! There's a whole section in the Avalon Library, here:


http://avalonlibrary.net/Integrity_Initiative/

[prc]

Not long ago, last year I saw a Thread about downsing that was talking about the population decrease at the end of 2019 year. Thanks God that prediction was wrong, but from what I can gather, this interview posted here entitled THe Anglo Saxon Mission revealing future events seems to be really happening right now. We just had the assassination of the Head of the National Revolutionary Guard of Iran, we have already seen a biological virus starting spreading in China and from there to Japan and Thailand. Things are materializing just like what was said on the interview.

[bluestflame]

"china will catch a cold " that phrase has always stuck with me , interesting timing

[onawah]

"Time for the Great Culling to Begin..."
"Rima E. Laibow, born September 30, 1943, M.D., is the medical director of the Natural Solutions Foundation. She is a graduate of the Albert Einstein College of Medicine (1970). She passionately believes in choosing a personal health path that is free from government or corporate interference. During her medical training she received a United States Public Health Service Fellowship in Neurology Research.
Dr. Rima E. Laibow's husband was Albert "Bert" Newton Stubblebine III, a retired major general in the United States Army. He was the commanding general of the U.S. Army Intelligence and Security Committee from 1981 to 1984, when he retired from the Army. He died on February 6, 2017.
In 2004 the Natural Solutions Foundation (NSF), an international NGO (non-governmental organization), was founded by Maj. Generator Bert Stubblebine (US Army, Ret) and his wife, Dr. Rima E Laibow, MD. NSF is active and registered in several countries and is a non-profit organization in the United States. Its mission is to discover, develop, document, demonstrate and disseminate natural solutions to the problems that threaten our health, food and freedom, achieve and preserve a healthy self, community and world.
In 2002, one of Dr. Rima E. Laibow's patients, a head of state, told her:
"It's almost time for the great culling to begin." _gWmVtn5JsA

More here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?106821-The-US-Vaccine-issue-is-more-than-just-about-the-Shots-it-is-about-totalitarian-tiptoe&p=1332712&viewfull=1#post1332712

[syrwong]

The Anglo-Saxon Mission is on full swing. "China will catch a flu" comes first. The whole city of Wuhan is weeping. Hospitals are overcrowded with patients crying for help and there is nothing doctors and nurses can do. I heard the weeping voice of a nurse describing the situation. Very sad and chilling.

A friend living in a town far away from Wuhan said the whole town was in fear because a man returned home from Wuhan was diagnosed positve of the flu. It was a very long journey on a bus and it was very hard to track the passengers.

I think it will escalate and many people will die. It must be quite irresponsible and maybe sinister for WHO to decide it is not an emergency.

I remember a scenario prophecised long ago of halting all flights. Is it going to come true?

[Philippe]

"china will catch a cold " that phrase has always stuck with me , interesting timing

If I may give some counter thought to the conspiracy theory ( even if they do exist of course) ?
I recently read how the particular food chain in China going from duck to pig and to human is causing the virus to spread so virulently. ( I resume here without details but the pig has filthy eating habits)
It seems the muslim and the jew priesthood were right to declare the porc meat unclean or not cosher for consumption. From my side I stopped eating porc 20 years ago because it gave me skin rash and allergy, probably also from the industrial treatment of pigs with antibiotics.

[Bill Ryan]

I truly don't want to over-egg this, and there are a bunch of big 'if's in play here.

But when I released the video, I was convinced (and still am) that the meeting my source described happened exactly as he described. I talked with him at length, and I'm sure that was 100% real.

So one thing I did was ensure the video was translated into Chinese, knowing that the Chinese intelligence services would pick it up and flag it. Then whatever they did would be in their hands. They'd have the information.

It has to be theoretically possible — to what degree, I have no clue, but a non-zero possibility — that since then, the Chinese authorities have been just a little more vigilant. And again, it has to be a non-zero possibility that this may partly account for the severe clampdown on the 18 million people in Wutan, with maybe other actions to come.

[syrwong]

"china will catch a cold " that phrase has always stuck with me , interesting timing

If I may give some counter thought to the conspiracy theory ( even if they do exist of course) ?
I recently read how the particular food chain in China going from duck to pig and to human is causing the virus to spread so virulently. ( I resume here without details but the pig has filthy eating habits)
It seems the muslim and the jew priesthood were right to declare the porc meat unclean or not cosher for consumption. From my side I stopped eating porc 20 years ago because it gave me skin rash and allergy, probably also from the industrial treatment of pigs with antibiotics.

Like during the riots months in Hong Kong, there is an abundance of messages attacking China in social media, blaming the poor sanitation of the fish market, that Wuhan people like to eat bats, coverup by the Chinese government and its slow response, etc. I think no government in the world can handle a bioweapon attack. The number of dying people is too overwhelming and in the first days, a large number of medical personals are infected themselves. The sanitation of markets in China is generally about the same as in Hong Kong, not bad at all. China is vilified at the same time. It is the case of the aggressor accusing the victim.

[syrwong]

I truly don't want to over-egg this, and there are a bunch of big 'if's in play here.

But when I released the video, I was convinced (and still am) that the meeting my source described happened exactly as he described. I talked with him at length, and I'm sure that was 100% real.

So one thing I did was ensure the video was translated into Chinese, knowing that the Chinese intelligence services would pick it up and flag it. Then whatever they did would be in their hands. They'd have the information.

It has to be theoretically possible — to what degree, I have no clue, but a non-zero possibility — that since then, the Chinese authorities have been just a little more vigilant. And again, it has to be a non-zero possibility that this may partly account for the severe clampdown on the 18 million people in Wutan, with maybe other actions to come.

On rereading the ASM interview under the events that happened just this month, I can feel its horrifying authenticity. The plans and the sequence of events described are becoming more logical and probable. it is probably one of the most important documents ever released in contemporary history. The release of this document prompted a Chinese Master scholar Hexin who was quite influential with the Chinese government to research Masonry. In just over a year he accumulated enough knowledge of the secret organization and wrote extensively about it on the internet and in books. He also once briefed the leadership on its existence and power. How well he was received I don't know, but because of his effort Masonry is a familiar word in Chinese.

Bill's release of the ASM information may actually have an important influence on history.

[Philippe]

"china will catch a cold " that phrase has always stuck with me , interesting timing

If I may give some counter thought to the conspiracy theory ( even if they do exist of course) ?
I recently read how the particular food chain in China going from duck to pig and to human is causing the virus to spread so virulently. ( I resume here without details but the pig has filthy eating habits)
It seems the muslim and the jew priesthood were right to declare the porc meat unclean or not cosher for consumption. From my side I stopped eating porc 20 years ago because it gave me skin rash and allergy, probably also from the industrial treatment of pigs with antibiotics.

Like during the riots months in Hong Kong, there is an abundance of messages attacking China in social media, blaming the poor sanitation of the fish market, that Wuhan people like to eat bats, coverup by the Chinese government and its slow response, etc. I think no government in the world can handle a bioweapon attack. The number of dying people is too overwhelming and in the first days, a large number of medical personals are infected themselves. The sanitation of markets in China is generally about the same as in Hong Kong, not bad at all. China is vilified at the same time. It is the case of the aggressor accusing the victim.

My remark does not contradict the ASM information that "China will catch a flew". The powers that seek world domination use stealth techniques and will exploit all weaknesses of their opponents to INCREASE it as is happening with climate problems or earthquakes. But the typical food chain in China where wild virus carrying fowl and birds mix with domestic ducks whose excrements are eaten by the pigs who are eaten in return by the humans, is a well described vector for bringing about an epidemic. Please do not call that the "aggressor attacking the victim". Your victim is also happily buying and using western oppressive technology (shame on Erik Schmidt, CEO of Google!) to crush it's own people. The brave students in Hongkong understood it.

[syrwong]

"china will catch a cold " that phrase has always stuck with me , interesting timing

If I may give some counter thought to the conspiracy theory ( even if they do exist of course) ?
I recently read how the particular food chain in China going from duck to pig and to human is causing the virus to spread so virulently. ( I resume here without details but the pig has filthy eating habits)
It seems the muslim and the jew priesthood were right to declare the porc meat unclean or not cosher for consumption. From my side I stopped eating porc 20 years ago because it gave me skin rash and allergy, probably also from the industrial treatment of pigs with antibiotics.

Like during the riots months in Hong Kong, there is an abundance of messages attacking China in social media, blaming the poor sanitation of the fish market, that Wuhan people like to eat bats, coverup by the Chinese government and its slow response, etc. I think no government in the world can handle a bioweapon attack. The number of dying people is too overwhelming and in the first days, a large number of medical personals are infected themselves. The sanitation of markets in China is generally about the same as in Hong Kong, not bad at all. China is vilified at the same time. It is the case of the aggressor accusing the victim.

My remark does not contradict the ASM information that "China will catch a flew". The powers that seek world domination use stealth techniques and will exploit all weaknesses of their opponents to INCREASE it as is happening with climate problems or earthquakes. But the typical food chain in China where wild virus carrying fowl and birds mix with domestic ducks whose excrements are eaten by the pigs who are eaten in return by the humans, is a well described vector for bringing about an epidemic. Please do not call that the "aggressor attacking the victim". Your victim is also happily buying and using western oppressive technology (shame on Erik Schmidt, CEO of Google!) to crush it's own people. The brave students in Hongkong understood it.

There were a lot of wild games to eat some 30years ago when China made the reform, but soon the environment was depleted and you can hardly find wild games to eat, actually illegal now. So the food chain you describe does not exist.

The important thing to realize is who is trying to rule the world, and why were there millions of deaths in these decades when apparently countries were at peace with each other? Who do things abiding to some moral standard, and who broke the rules of the UN all the time?

[pueblo]

The Pope knew this was coming?? Watch as the Pope sees the Asian woman, tries to make a sharp left away from her when she grabs his hand...

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[Pam]

I'm really glad this thread popped up, missed it the first time.

[aceninja]

Oh my... This is happening almost exactly as said in 2010, sans nuclear weapons.

[Tintin]

I truly don't want to over-egg this, and there are a bunch of big 'if's in play here.

But when I released the video, I was convinced (and still am) that the meeting my source described happened exactly as he described. I talked with him at length, and I'm sure that was 100% real.

So one thing I did was ensure the video was translated into Chinese, knowing that the Chinese intelligence services would pick it up and flag it. Then whatever they did would be in their hands. They'd have the information.

It has to be theoretically possible — to what degree, I have no clue, but a non-zero possibility — that since then, the Chinese authorities have been just a little more vigilant. And again, it has to be a non-zero possibility that this may partly account for the severe clampdown on the 18 million people in Wutan, with maybe other actions to come.

On rereading the ASM interview under the events that happened just this month, I can feel its horrifying authenticity. The plans and the sequence of events described are becoming more logical and probable. it is probably one of the most important documents ever released in contemporary history. The release of this document prompted a Chinese Master scholar Hexin who was quite influential with the Chinese government to research Masonry. In just over a year he accumulated enough knowledge of the secret organization and wrote extensively about it on the internet and in books. He also once briefed the leadership on its existence and power. How well he was received I don't know, but because of his effort Masonry is a familiar word in Chinese.

Bill's release of the ASM information may actually have an important influence on history.

[Bold passage highlight, above]: do you know what, in light of recent events, I think that you may well be right there.

In fact, in a step I hadn't taken before, I actually sent a copy of the transcript of that interview to one of the Guardian newspaper editorial desks, on Tuesday I think, with zero expectation of them ever publishing any of it. In any case, whatever is most likely to not transpire, it will (possibly) make at least 1 individual there sit up and wonder. :)

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That is very interesting information re Hexin - I'd not heard of him until now. I've had a search on the internet and can't yet see anything available. Do you have any links to anything at all? Thanks.

[Sarah Rainsong]

I just finished watching the YouTube videos that Bill posted from back in 2010. (Great videos, thanks Bill!) Maybe this has been asked in another thread, but is it possible that the US's assassination of Qasem Soleimani was supposed to provoke a nuclear attack in return? Then to have this coronovirus scare come right after that? Seems like these two events could fall into that timeline, though if the assassination was supposed to be an act of provocation, it seems to have failed.

[syrwong]

That is very interesting information re Hexin - I'd not heard of him until now. I've had a search on the internet and can't yet see anything available. Do you have any links to anything at all? Thanks.

I was a little astonished not be able to find any information on He Xin in English. I have to settle with this Chinese introduction of him in Chinese Wikipedia. You may use translation software to get an idea of who he is, or at least a picture of him.

https://baike.sogou.com/v634596.htm?fromTitle=%E4%BD%95%E6%96%B0

With a Japnese prime minister,
http://s10.sinaimg.cn/middle/5ebddb9ega3519be09749&690

He had a long chat with Castro,
https://ss3.bdstatic.com/70cFv8Sh_Q1YnxGkpoWK1HF6hhy/it/u=3861894164,124006771&fm=15&gp=0.jpg

An influential figure in politics then because of his accurate political predictions, not so favored after Deng.

[araucaria]

Oh my... This is happening almost exactly as said in 2010, sans nuclear weapons.
Take it easy. These things were also described as being extremely time-sensitive, and due to take place in 2012. Eight years sounds quite a lot to me. If you had a cake in the oven to be taken out at 20.12, by 20.20 it might be burnt to a frazzle.

The takeaway from this interview is that this was explicitly and definitely a meeting of Conservatives (as in Boris Johnson). Anyone thinking there is something to the Anglo-Saxon mission and has since latched onto the Brexit bandwagon has simply lost the plot. Where are the Conservatives in 2020? They have stolen a huge parliamentary majority and can basically do what they like. But one thing they cannot do is turn the clock back. For one thing, the nuclear war scenario is turning out very differently to what was planned in 2005. North Korea, with Chinese backing, seemingly calling the shots.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?109759-A-Secret-Nuclear-War-is-Happening-Right-Now-&p=1332493&viewfull=1#post1332493
How do they get from here to where they wanted to be in 2012? It looks increasingly unlikely, especially as 2012 is come and gone.

[Free Bird]

It has been a year or two since I last logged into PA. With all the hullabaloo going on in China these last few days, I remembered Bill's ASM post and so decided to check in.

We are in interesting times for sure. What strikes me about this particular outbreak is the length the authorities are going to in trying to stem the spread. There wasn't this over-reaching reaction to SARS, which in the face of it appeared even more deadly than Corona virus. Also it seems odd that nations are prepared to evacuate potentially contagious people and risk spreading the virus across the planet, rather than trying to keep it contained in one country. With Ebola, anyone showing signs & symptoms was placed into quarantine and they weren't alllowed to leave the country.

For a disease that only has a mortality rate of around 3% - just a bit higher than seasonal flu - the reaction does seem rather excessive. There may be more going on here than meets the eye and the question is, is this the ASM being played out?

[lightpotential]

I always remembered Bill's Anglo Saxon Mission video from years back. Especially the statement that China/Asia would "catch a cold." A new research paper on the spread of the Corona Virus has just come to my attention. I provide the link below. Now I am not going to tell you that it is not technical, and most of it goes well "over my own head."

However, there is one paragraph that stands out which I reproduce here:

"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

The link to the full paper is: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

Keith

[Bill Ryan]

I always remembered Bill's Anglo Saxon Mission video from years back. Especially the statement that China/Asia would "catch a cold." A new research paper on the spread of the Corona Virus has just come to my attention. I provide the link below. Now I am not going to tell you that it is not technical, and most of it goes well "over my own head."

However, there is one paragraph that stands out which I reproduce here:

"We also noticed that the only Asian donor (male) has a much higher ACE2-expressing cell ratio than white and African American donors (2.50% vs. 0.47% of all cells). This might explain the observation that the new Coronavirus pandemic and previous SARS-Cov pandemic are concentrated in the Asian area."

The link to the full paper is: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.01.26.919985v1.full

Keith

Yes, I wrote on the Wuhan coronavirus thread:



Is everything now a play by the Anglo Saxon Mission, just belated?
“China will catch a cold”Re the Anglo-Saxon Mission, too early to tell... it's a little eerie, but some of the info doesn't quite fit unless the virus is largely race-specific. At the moment, it doesn't appear to be. But a lot more numbers will be needed to know if it affects all humans equally.
Still too early to know, but there are some early indications that it may indeed be race-specific, at least to a high-probability extent. If so, that might mean quite a lot.

[Philippe]

Very good to notice the smallest indication but it says also the only Asian donor (male). That is an invitation to do more extensive research.

Further in the research paper they admit it :
The shortcoming of the study is the small donor sample number, and ...

[c0rv0]

In the last 25 years I have designed and managed several big (multi million) projects.
Despite all the attempts, planning and discussions, 90% of them where over budget, over time and so on.
Many changed nature during their execution.
Compare also with the idea of "Attack 7 countries in 5 years", was supposed to start in 2001 and end in 2006. Indeed they have executed on the plan -all the country in the last have been attacked- but are "late".
It's to be expected that a project of such a complexity like the anglo-Saxon Mission has changed tactical execution, however the strategic goals are still relevant:

Unified the world under a single leadership
Destroy Human ennemies
Fight non-human enemies
Manage a cataclysmic event


The list above is not coming from a single interview from an anonymous: has been confirmed to me by different participant to the "plan"

[araucaria]

In the last 25 years I have designed and managed several big (multi million) projects.
Despite all the attempts, planning and discussions, 90% of them where over budget, over time and so on.
Many changed nature during their execution.
Compare also with the idea of "Attack 7 countries in 5 years", was supposed to start in 2001 and end in 2006. Indeed they have executed on the plan -all the country in the last have been attacked- but are "late".
It's to be expected that a project of such a complexity like the anglo-Saxon Mission has changed tactical execution, however the strategic goals are still relevant:


Unified the world under a single leadership
Destroy Human ennemies
Fight non-human enemies
Manage a cataclysmic event



The list above is not coming from a single interview from an anonymous: has been confirmed to me by different participant to the "plan"
The strategic goals of the Anglo-Saxon Mission you set out do not form anything like a “big (multi-million) project”. They are too muddled for words and any hitches in execution are to be put down to sheer incompetence, severe undermanning, and despite everything, severe underfunding. Also lateness is a product of all these shortcomings and itself produces even more lateness. There are penalties for missing deadlines.

If you want to “unify the world”, then you really need to get a decent majority on the same page - large numbers really understanding the major issues. You cannot “unify the world” by going off as a secret cabal and expecting people to follow completely unawares. You won’t even unify your cabal. In many respects world government is an extremely desirable goal, but not with self-appointed leaders. Hence the second and third aims of destroying and fighting enemies beg the question: whose enemies? Answer, the self-appointed leaders’ enemies; leading to the logical conclusion that the vast majority of the human population is their enemies, to be wiped out, and that is even before we get to the non-human component. Reversing this logic, one might even come to the conclusion that the non-human component refers to these self-appointed leaders acting against the rest of humanity. If you want to “unify the world”, then you need to appoint leaders who don’t HAVE enemies, especially human ones: people who don’t DO enemies.

Only when these objections have been answered can you come to point 4 regarding a cataclysm. What sort of cataclysmic event are you talking about? There is one kind implicit in my analysis so far: human planetwide genocide. Such an event is not to be “managed” but avoided by thwarting the managers who are actively seeking this outcome. But again, there is another possibility: the galactic superwave-type event described by Paul LaViolette. Notice that this event is not entirely catastrophic, on the contrary it is thought to trigger an evolutionary upgrade for those able to ride out the upheaval, as other such events have done in the past.

The muddle-headedness comes not only from seeing things in terms of enemies but also from perceived helplessness. We are victims of the all-powerful galactic superwave, so let’s have a human-sized cataclysmic event where at least some of us are supposedly in control. This is not necessarily the case at all. However, what would be required is really to “unify the world” – not nominally through a secret government speaking on behalf of a flock of sheep, but with the full weight of a united, aware, actively involved humanity. How far this positive agenda is advancing is difficult to tell. What we can say however is that nefarious projects falling behind schedule is a positive sign. Nuclear Armageddon has been a project for over 75 years, all the time getting more and more ambitious and... more and more unlikely.

The thing about these nefarious cabals is that they put Gandhi’s formula into reverse: First you win, then they fight you, then they laugh at you, then they ignore you. At the present time, I’d say there is still a good deal of fighting going on. It is time to start laughing until eventually we get to ignore these people altogether.

[Philippe]

I hesitated to post this in the days of your Brexit feast because I respect you for this incredible achievement against a bad establishment.
But no no this is not the end of your work.

Read the article below and you can see that the ASM is still very active and deadly dangerous.
And how ugly is your press to demand this courageous professor and academics to be removed from their university job !
Time to clear up the dirt in what is left of your empire.


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/the-useful-idiots-how-these-british-academics-helped-russia-deny-war-crimes-at-the-un/ar-BBZqer6?ocid=spartanntp


In France we have coined an insult for the English : la Perfide Albion. Not that France is such a saintly country, far from that.
What a world ....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfidious_Albion

[Gracy]

So, after refreshing my memory by just having listened to this again, a big question came to mind concerning China's part in this plot line.

If the reason for giving China a cold so to speak is to have them out of the way as any kind of major world power post cataclysm, thus ensuring world dominion by the West, why did containment of China pretty much cease after the Korean Conflict? And not only that, since major insider Henry Kissinger opened the door for Chinese/American relations back in the 70's, it seems the U.S. has been doing much to help them be a major world player in trade, and leaking them much technology to boot.

The sort of people we're talking about here plan way into the future, the long game, and folks like Kissinger are surely players on that chess board. Why not just nip that bud in the first place and save all the trouble?

Also since Korea, a major focus of the U.S. has been keeping the Soviet Union/Russia in check, not China. Why is this? I just don't get letting, and even aiding China's development all along the way, only to have a real powerhouse needs dealing with on down the road.

What am I missing? something is seeming to not ad up here.

Now if the need for a ceremonial blood sacrifice is in the mix, with a feeding off of the mass terror and panic, it starts to make a lot more sense. Fatten em up for the slaughter.

[Sarah Rainsong]

Just musing, but Chinese do not think like westerners, and we are only getting our side of the story. Who was "containing" China to begin with? I'm not a historian, but I thought it was the Chinese who was controlling what/who came in or out of their country, particularly after the communist party took over. Maybe they were simply trying to get their claws into China to begin with?

Also hasn't typically the flow of the dominating world power been westward? Doesn't that kinda put China in the cross-hairs when the US eventually gives up that title?

[c0rv0]

Not sure what you are trying to do here.
You are arguing with me like this would be my plan.
The people in control are not my friends, even if I have to work with some of them and endure their idiocy.
They love secrecy, even if that is stopping progress toward the declared goals, because the primary goal is to maintain power.

Regarding #4: I will not try to convince you or anyone else, just pointing out that 4 was part of the original Anglo-Saxon-Mission disclosure. The fact that "2012" is passed has given the impression nothing will happens but this is not what they think

[marielle]

I came across this post at the Reddit conspiracy sub:

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ey9ogo/yesterday_i_wrote_a_long_bio_weapon_conspiracy/

The author is posting a message he got from inside China saying that it was the CIA that planted the virus:


I believe and have compelling circumstantial reason to believe that the American CIA injected and planted the so-called "Wuhan virus" into Wuhan, China in or around the dates of October 31st 2019 and December 31st 2019 with intent to harm China and with potential to destablize and perhaps even motive to collapse China from within.

US wants to re-route global supply chain around China, to bypass China and isolate China on the world stage vs China wanting to use Huawei-enabled digital-blockchain Yuan, cashless WeChat, etc to topple the US Petrodollar hegemony and the BRI relationships and bi-lateral trade/infrastructure agreements in order to propel the world to adopt the use of the digital Yuan, and in order to have the world bypass the SWIFT system (since US has abused its dollar status and weaponized it for unlawful sanctions) and the US dollar as the default global reserve currency etc. It was a race against time to see whom would pull the rug from underneath the other countries feet first. US, unable to compete fairly due to its structural disadvantages and many other shortcomings, decided to go the biological attack route, which allows it to hide under the cover of "plausible denialability" (since it is more difficult to conclusively prove the attribution or source of a new mysterious virus than it would be to track the trajectory of an incoming thermnonuclear missile etc) to inflict maximum damage to China while minimizing the potential blow back.
...

It's quite long but very interesting and fits in with Bill's video.

[araucaria]

Not sure what you are trying to do here.
You are arguing with me like this would be my plan.
The people in control are not my friends, even if I have to work with some of them and endure their idiocy.
They love secrecy, even if that is stopping progress toward the declared goals, because the primary goal is to maintain power.

Regarding #4: I will not try to convince you or anyone else, just pointing out that 4 was part of the original Anglo-Saxon-Mission disclosure. The fact that "2012" is passed has given the impression nothing will happens but this is not what they think
No I am not arguing with you, I am merely discussing the material you presented. i would not expect to find a forum member defending such an agenda, I thought that went without saying.


Edit to add: On the other hand, I would expect a few readers of this forum to be promoters of that agenda. They are in fact the people I am trying to get through to. We have to work on the basis that some of them at least are doing their best, coming from a different (perhaps higher) viewpoint, with an open mind – and maybe not reading anything of sufficient value (yet).

[Ernie Nemeth]

The ruling elite in China have more in common with the corporate structure than the hierarchies established in the USA. If it were not for the deep state, which is the corporate bid to control America, the two countries would have nothing in common. Unlike Russia, China has no interest in promoting an independent underclass, which is what the American constitution is supposed to uphold.

China acts more like an enemy than Russia, yet the deep state would have us believe otherwise. Because of course a down-trodden underclass can be forced to supply labor at cut-rate prices. And the corporations can reap massive profits without passing any of it on to the markets that made them so successful.

Corporations are the enemy, with China no more complicit than Russia or America. These issues go way and far beyond national borders. This is a new beast that would devour and destroy all progressive movements that have gained the people a measure of say in their lives. They would prefer we don't catch on before they have transcended the borders of sovereign states to the point of making them a moot point. Then we will truly have a New World Order of corporate interests. Remember, these companies are so big they are too big to fail, unlike a nation under siege by central banking practices that have mired all countries in debt and results in an inability to deal with lucrative corporations swimming in cash.

China is just another step on the road to total world domination; just another cheap labor pool to be exploited. The only difference between China and some third world cesspool of a place, where corporate interests claim humanitarian aid as the reason for establishing operations there only to move on the moment the workers begin complaining about wages and safety, is that China has a huge work-force of low wage earners that will take a century to fully exploit. And China conspires with the corporations to keep the workers docile and compliant.

Corporations and China have a culture that is very similar in that a few dictate to the very many. Corporatism is far more a dictatorial structure than even China, so the love affair is quite understandable. What China needs to understand is that corporations, since their only concern is the bottom line, cannot ever be trusted and the only guarantee is that they will stab China in the back just like they have done to the Western World.

[TEOTWAIKI]

When I read "giving China a cold" and watch what is going on today in China to our fellow humans I feel a bit odd about the triviality of the first and the tragedy of the second. Maybe it was a infortuitous choice of words but if it was me, I would now edit that phrase to reflect what is happening now; even if the post is 10 years old.

I have a friend who with the best of intentions of making an electrical installation safe for personnel, inadvertingly ran afoul of the project team who lo and behold were all scottish rite masons. They made this guy's life miserable for decades and I just can't imagine if he had published something of the scope of the Anglo-Saxon Mission how he would be alive today. Very mysterious times we live in.

[Bill Ryan]

When I read "giving China a cold" and watch what is going on today in China to our fellow humans I feel a bit odd about the triviality of the first and the tragedy of the second. .Just a note: as best I recall, the phrase "China will catch a cold" was reported verbatim from what was said and discussed in the original City of London Masonic meeting.

[Philippe]

Remember, these companies are so big they are too big to fail, unlike a nation under siege by central banking practices that have mired all countries in debt and results in an inability to deal with lucrative corporations swimming in cash.


There are 195 countries in the world today. This total comprises 193 countries that are member states of the United Nations and 2 countries that are non-member observer states: the Holy See and the State of Palestine.
Good that countries can talk and sanction each other in the United Nations. But these multinationals have thousand times more turnover than the bruto national product of most of the member states in the UN and without the same accountability. They are like invisible mega countries. That is a very unhealthy situation.:focus:

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Metaphor]

Kamikaze, since you´re from Sweden as well I just thought that I´d share that a thread about this has emerged on the 4chan of Sweden, Flashback. Thread is here: https://www.flashback.org/t3117623

As a sidenote, I have to say that this thread and subject is way more interesting than the interest it seems to get. Bumping it now! Bump bump

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Metaphor]

@Kamikaze.
Oh yes. So true. No intentions to praise that site here, no.
Just interesting to see that this crucial info gets out in the open. I find Bills video on the Anglo saxon mission to be pure gold.

[Bill Ryan]

Mr. Ryan - please note recent comment on YouTube LOL:thumbsup: Mods please feel free to move or delete post if needed.
"18:15 flashes 666 exactly at the manifesto, he is one of them. They like to reveal their plan but bury is in misinformation.":)

What does "flashes 666 exactly at the manifesto" mean?

[Soda]

I don't know I was just passing on the comment. Thought it was amusing that anyone would call you one of "THEM" LOL. sorry plz delete

[James]

The China situation is very peculiar at this moment in history. If you look at geopolitics as a game, and a game to be won, your strategy can run long or short. Playing short typically yields an unstable amount but large amount of power quickly, whereas a long play typically is a gradual but steady buildup of power.

Your weakness can either be instability or exposure, depending on your strategy.

The Anglo Saxon strategy is commerce and quarterly/dividend growth driven, while the Chinese strategy since it is less reliant on economic undulations is to slowly acquire “meat and potatoes” resources globally. Instability or exposure are weaknesses of either method, not guarantees.

The Anglo Saxon aligned countries are currently not very unstable, no matter how the media may play it, but China is very exposed at the moment. The Hong Kong protests have become an infected scab that will not heal, the trade wars have eroded more than economic gusto, and now the novel coronavirus is the injury to the insult. I don’t foresee it being a repeat of the Spanish flu, but the damage from it will not be the death toll, in my opinion, but the end result of what the authoritarian government will do to exert what little control they truly have over the situation. It’s an exposure of the exposure. And in a round about way, I think it became an event driven opportunity for the Anglo Saxon type to start to muscle into the Asian continent.

This has always been the goal. There are only so many seats at the table, if it could seat everyone, it wouldn’t be a table worthy of sitting at - and if you’re one of the first in the cafeteria to arrive, it might suit you to sit with your friends instead of those you’re indifferent with.

[David Trd1]

This is doing the rounds on Twitter Bill. FYI

https://twitter.com/2MFuture/status/1227072116861829120

It’s been translated also with subtitles.

[Tintin]

This is doing the rounds on Twitter Bill. FYI

https://twitter.com/2MFuture/status/1227072116861829120

It’s been translated also with subtitles.

Hi David - thanks for posting this. This link you provided doesn't work, although this one does. :happythumbsup:

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