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Bill Ryan

21st March 2010, 05:46

An opportunity to discuss the video about Igor Witkowski and the Nazi Bell... currently available as a 7-minute Preview only (but a very interesting one!):

http://projectavalon.net/igor_witkowski_nazi_bell.html

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Update - 26 July 2010:

Now published....

[The MP3 is here, for those who prefer to listen on their iPods.

http://projectavalon.net/igor_witkowski_nazi_bell.mp3

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Fredkc

21st March 2010, 19:37

The unedited remainder of the interview is less varied and entertaining, consisting of my talking in depth with Igor Witkowski about the enigmatic, super-secret, advanced technology of the 'Nazi Bell' (what it may have been, and the clues that have been collected) - and some of the material is quite dry.
Never underestimate the ability of people to plow through the "dry stuff", and come up with something.

After some 17 years of Machine tool/robotics programming, including 4 years of teaching it, all over, I would still sit down and read "basic programming" manuals for the systems I used (many of them translated into english "literally" by non-english speaking people. now THAT is dry!).

It was always surprising at the "recombinate data" and techniques I would come up with from re-hashing- what I had "assumed" years ago.

Good luck with the restoration,

Fred

ArtyCarl

21st March 2010, 21:17

Daft Ada

22nd March 2010, 00:22

This looks really interesting, I had seen the frame structure before, either on TV or the Tube, not sure which, but I haven't seen those tunnels before. Are they all closed off now? Did I hear someone say that there may still be some of the workers buried in those tunnels?

K626

22nd March 2010, 12:49

samvado

22nd March 2010, 12:55

Paderborn :-)

K626

22nd March 2010, 13:13

Paderborn :-)

I always get that spelling wrong. :)

Terra

28th March 2010, 02:38

Can't wait to see this video when it is ready. Really interested to learn more on this topic, spent many hours looking for more info on Die Glocke. ...still need to buy the books by Joseph P Farrell. After tracing the Nazis as best I can it has taken me off on some wild journeys as far as research goes, and I am convinced they got much much further than we are led to beleive... my gut instinct is very strong on all this.

tomriddle2002

2nd May 2010, 20:23

I am really interested in this show. I can't wait for the full version. I have all of Jospeh P. Farrell's books except his pyramid trilogy ( which I'm ordering from Amazon tommorow). I have been researching the nazi connections to many of the subjects explored here. As in ufo technology any connections to secret societys and the ruling elite (I try to steer from using the word elite in describing the hidden rulers of this world as I do not see them as elite but more along the lines of parasites, I see the 'common' person as elite). Torsion fields are very intersting, and I belive Richard Hoagland has explored this area as well in his Dark Mission book, which I recommened everyone get and read. That being said, I belive this show with Igor will be a classic!

ArtyCarl

3rd May 2010, 21:37

Any news on the full version Bill?

Did I read somewhere that you have had some problems with it?

G.Deluca

3rd May 2010, 22:59

can't wait to see the full version of it bill,that thing really looks bigger than the photos i saw,impressive!

Manifestor

11th May 2010, 20:22

Bill wrote: "That hasn't been published because of data loss following a disk failure, and neither could the preview be re-edited without a significant loss in quality. I think I can put it all back together, but it'll be a few weeks yet. When ready, it'll also be published retrospectively in the Camelot site." October 2009

if you are interested in nazi ufos, here is the "grandfather" of haunebu etc.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=am7ClT5Swqo

Cyaneyed

30th June 2010, 17:12

Still anxiously awaiting this one, though with everything going on I understand it's slipped into the background. Was reading up on the area a few days ago and read that there are alot of industrial units (overgrown) in the area too, wondering if these will show up in the video or if they are a degree of disinfo...

Bill Ryan

30th June 2010, 17:52

Any news on the full version Bill?

Did I read somewhere that you have had some problems with it?

Yes - the data was lost in a disk crash, and I've been gluing the pieces back together since then.

It's actually nearly done... but we don't have all the original footage. I created the little trailer on the plane on the way back from Poland, so that's intact - but as regards the rest of the salvaged data, most of the time there's only one camera (on Igor) who speaks in a great deal of detail and often in quite a monotone.

The material is extremely interesting for serious researchers - fascinating, actually - but it doesn't all make for riveting entertainment. We DO have all the interview, which is essentially myself in dialog with Igor. Kerry asks a few questions, but is not on camera at all. I'm doing my best to make it all as smooth and viewable as possible.

Touch wood, it should be published in a week or so. If you've been following this story closely, you'll enjoy it... I hope you learn as much as I did about the very interesting historical detective story that this is.

Baelsfire

30th June 2010, 22:02

Im confident in your skills Bill, i look forward to listening and watching this! :)

Bill Ryan

26th July 2010, 19:14

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Now published (at last!) :)

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Decibellistics

26th July 2010, 19:21

wha wha whaaaaat, awesome!.

Danke Bill, I've been lookin' forward to this one for a good minute.

At least the Nazi's left us with one good thing.......Neumann microphones. har har har

Moemers

26th July 2010, 19:42

Where did the Nazi's get the knowledge to even start experimenting with this tech?

observer

27th July 2010, 00:21

At about 1 hr. into the interview, and again at about 1 hr., 40 min., Igor refers to the entire underground Riese complex as the Nazi designated "area S-3".

Knowing what we do regarding "operation paperclip", is there any possibility the Bob Lazar revelations regarding Groom Lake (also, a known above top secret underground facility) and what he describes as "Area S-4", could be in any way related? i.e., an "evolution" of the same Nazi work? Could this simple (overlooked) numbering sequence be a clue to a far greater understanding of what is going-on?

(Source Links:
Bob Lazar - http://members.fortunecity.com/conews/conspiracies/s4_description_by_bob_lazar.htm
Operation Paperclip - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Paperclip
Die Glocke - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Glocke)

[Update]

(Background Video Links:
Project Camelot interviews Joseph Farrell : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wJboIFKCFU
Nazi UFO The Bell Documentry:
Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8e6wUfueBo&feature=related
Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxGNCRoXmpQ&feature=related
Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B8Wi59oKaJ4&feature=related
Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-XHeeV-4Uo&feature=related
Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7qkRFjc8Z0&feature=related)

Scott

27th July 2010, 09:57

I really enjoyed this interview, i will have to watch it again to take notes.
One of the things I liked the most was to see a investigator/researcher say the words "I do not know"
Although I would add he knew a heck of allot :)

John Parslow

27th July 2010, 13:45

Hello Bill

A really interesting video with Igor Witkowski and the more data on the Nazi Bell. I hope you keep in touch with Igor and inform us Avalonians of any updates on this fascinating subject - so many hints so few data.

Love and peace. JP :cool:

Lily de Cuir

28th July 2010, 03:05

Hi Bill, would it be possible to provide an mp3 link for audio? - I listen to all your interviews on my IPod. Thanks if possible!

Lily

Arpheus

28th July 2010, 05:10

Great interview but as usual kerry always have to come up with her crazy questions that just dont fit in lol.Why does she always has to ask stupid stuff seriously hehe :evil:

Wookie

28th July 2010, 07:58

"there is one more interesting things, maybe not for the camera" WHOOPS how did that happen :spy::haha: I might be wrong but were you sneeking there Bill?

Peaceful Journeys. Wookie

Lily de Cuir

28th July 2010, 08:27

Hi Bill,

Meant to mention this on my previous post re audio mp3 link. Previously on PC there were instructions on how to download mp3's, i.e., 'right click, save target as' etc. (Also how to save to computer and how to save to IPod). Might be a good idea to put that in again, and for Kerry's site also. Because for new people here, they may not know how to do it. Not everyone is technically savvy.

I know that was the case for me when I first arrived a few years ago. If I didn't have the instructions, I may not know what I do now!

Just a tip...

Cheers,
Lily

Ghostmarley

28th July 2010, 09:27

Hello Bill , thnx for sharing this very interesting video m8.
It brings back memory`s from the time i went to a concetration camp in the Hartz.
That had a big impact on me , you could feel the sadness and pain they sufferd.

thnx again .

Ghostmarley.

PINEAL-PILOT-IN MERKABAH

28th July 2010, 10:12

excellent interveiw, im inclined to this line of research as oppossed to the channelling/et unprovable end of things. farrel,hoagland,weidner and jimm marrs have it roughly together as far as i can make out. i actually got excited again to watch this(ah the good old days) something with some real meat in it to chew on .. many thanks worth the wait.

Daft Ada

28th July 2010, 12:40

Hi Bill mate. well done I would never have known there had been a problem with that video if you hadn't told us, you edited it seamlessly. I thoroughly enjoyed it although Igor is very matter of fact and dry as a bone :-) Some very interesting information though. If they really did collapse part of the tunnels and trap a lot of the workers in there to die, then they should get digging and get in for two reasons. first to give those people propper burials and respect for what they have been through and second, there may be a lot of very interesting equipment buried in there with them. With regards to the so called Nazi Bell and the structure that is still standing, there can only really be guesses and stories as to it's purpose, the truth may be buried in those tunnels

Bill Ryan

28th July 2010, 23:50

Hi Bill, would it be possible to provide an mp3 link for audio? - I listen to all your interviews on my IPod. Thanks if possible!

Lily

Done. :)

http://projectavalon.net/igor_witkowski_nazi_bell.mp3

Alifun

29th July 2010, 08:34

Mr. Ryan, one small request from me but for everybody. Could you get a downloadable mp4 link for backup? It is important to have these videos on computer, just to share with others to expand their mind. On the other hand iPhone works great with mp4. )
Thanks :)

jimmer

29th July 2010, 16:01

I've attached a 'field trip report' of a researcher's trip to poland to investigate the bell and the henge mythology.
his report gets interesting on page 12.

igor witkowski says that the henge couldn't be a water tower due to it's lack of foundation.
maybe so, but if you go by the premise that the simplest explanation gets closest to the truth,
then perhaps the henge is actually something more mundane.

what do you think?

Phil

29th July 2010, 19:57

Hello everyone..!
Firstly Bill I have just viewed the full version of your interview with Igor Witkowski and and Joseph Farrell and found them to be in my opinion the best interviews you have made, especially Joseph Farrell when viewed together, EXCELLENT!.

I was wondering at the end of Joseph Farell's interview you made mention as to, you would like to keep intouch for an audio interview.
Well my reason for asking this, is this, what with the Money Germany has paid out to Greece recently, I have NOT heard any or many remarks from the German people, as to there dismay as to the amount paid, other than a few general statements made to the bbc.
Would it be possible to carry out this new Audio interview.
And once again thank you on a great interviews you do I appreciate them.

Phil

observer

29th July 2010, 22:31

I've attached a 'field trip report' of a researcher's trip to poland to investigate the bell and the henge mythology....

....what do you think?

Thank you jimmer, for finding and publishing this report by Gerold Schelm. Your offering is a valuable addition to this Thread.

After so much text, he does finely get to some very interesting observations and conclusions.

I, for one, would love to see if the physical dimensions of the cooling tower foundation Mr. Schelm discovered at Siechnice, Poland, matches those of the Ludwikowice "henge" structure. It would also be interesting to know if both structures were from the same era.

By the photographs that were provided, both structures look identical - down to the corbelling detail at the top of each concrete column. Even the turquoise paint shown on the metal structural components of the Siechnice cooling tower photos matches Mr. Schelm's description of a paint remnant he found at the henge structure. (Although there are no cooling tower structural components remaining at the henge)

It is important to point-out, the henge structure itself is being offered as evidence to support a theory regarding what was going-on at the Riese Complex (otherwise known by the Nazis as Area S-3). Without more conclusive evidence, it's counterproductive to speculate about the nature of the experiments conducted at that facility.

It cannot be denied that "above top secret" projects were underway at this S-3 facility. We may never know the nature of what these projects were until, perhaps, excavations of the collapsed tunnel system begins. I seriously doubt the Global Elite would allow these kinds of investigations.

My gut still tells me, area S-4 at Groom Lake in Nevada is an extension of the Riese Project. As Jim Marrs has already pointed-out, "the Nazis didn't loose the Second World War, the German people did". The evidence to support Mr. Marr's claim is overwhelming and conclusive.

These are my particular feelings on the matter (for what they are worth)....

Research (In support of my statements):
Project Camelot Interviews Jim Marrs - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2v0cu8pQOc
[update]
Bob Lazar S-4 Interview:
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptoOlKjjB5s
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COCRjd4YH-k&feature=related
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ow0K88yFMYc&feature=related
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdIniW2D0L4&feature=related
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7XF5g3gaHM&feature=related
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VE_QDy6m1Vo&feature=related

ArtyCarl

10th August 2010, 11:53

I really enjoyed this interview which for a number of reasons I have only just sat down to watch.

For those connecting the Henge with the Bell it is important to note that Igor states that this connection is just an assumption on his part and any subsequent information which may show the Henge had another, as yet unexplained, purpose should not impact on the voracity of the information on the Bell itself.

It is truely amazing that something which was obviously so important to the Nazis and which would have involved countless scientists and both skilled and unskilled workers could almost vanish into thin air, but if true, this story could be the key to unravelling many other mysteries and its importance cannot be underestimated.

Great work Bill, please keep us informed if further information becomes available.

Victoria Tintagel

10th August 2010, 13:04

Quote from ArtyCarl's massage: It is truely amazing that something which was obviously so important to the Nazis and which would have involved countless scientists and both skilled and unskilled workers could almost vanish into thin air, but if true, this story could be the key to unravelling many other mysteries and its importance cannot be underestimated.

Hi ArtyCarl, if you listen to the History of Mind Control lecture by Stewart Swerdslow, in the Books, Videos, Articles segment, you will find him talking about the evacuation of Nazi technical devices to Antarctica and the afterwar careers of important Nazi scientists. Igor Witkowsky mentions Antarctica briefly, in his interview. It's great to be able to compare notes.....so to speak.

jimmer

10th August 2010, 14:16

I concur completely, artycarl.

Terra

14th September 2010, 23:57

After months of waiting I missed this little nugget in July, I wouldnt have guessed you had lost any data the end product was very good and gave me some more breadcrumbs to follow up on. Thankyou very much Bill.

Antartica seemed to be very popular immediately after the war. Operation Highjump took the US Navy down there in 46/47.

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It would be very interesting to see a timeline with all these projects, people, dates etc to follow the progression of it all. If Juan Perón was in office to 1955 and this is when the project died it certainly gave them a few years unhindered research and testing time if Igor is correct.

MariaDine

15th September 2010, 02:21

:) It's interessing...in the film CONTACT, a similar structure appears..............................B.Ryan talks and presents the struture that obvious inspired the structure that appears in the movie.........THE NAZI BELL ???

Sorry...didn't find the american movie with subtitles............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4DJ_gpRcwo&feature=player_embedded

http://www.xmission.com/~psneeley/Personal/contact.gif

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_oyDRus0HKls/ShmRF_RsDzI/AAAAAAAAAYg/GoXvJVXNHcU/s400/MarrsNaziBellStonehenge.jpg

THEY SAY --------------WHOEVER THEY ARE ........THAT ............Anyway this device is 100% real and from all reports it WORKED. After the Nazis threw out Einsteins dead end "Jewish physics" of relativity, the Nazis began to experiment with they called Aryan physics and this device was essentially anti gravity device to free themselves from scarcity (ie: dependence on fossil fuels) thus freeing themselves from monetary control of Jewish and Anglo elites. The device worked on torsion of space time by rotating drums filled with a mystery serum. Apparently the Swastika (ancient symbol of the Aryan race) is a vector diagram representing this torsion of space time.

Anyway this bell device was tested in Poland by the Nazis dubbed the "the fly trap."

http://peeringintodarkness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/11/secretfacility320x2401nz.jpg

Swami

15th September 2010, 10:33

Apparently the Swastika (ancient symbol of the Aryan race) is a vector diagram representing this torsion of space time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgWCXR-hHE

Around min. 7:00.......

MariaDine

15th September 2010, 19:01

From what is known about him , here in Europe, Dan Winter was considered guilty and convicted of fraud, by the courts.

MariaDine

16th September 2010, 15:24

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lavp8VaWbjY

http://www.douglascottrell.com/

Swami

16th September 2010, 15:59

From what is known about him , here in Europe, Dan Winter was considered guilty and convicted of fraud, by the courts.

So........??
Does that mean that the info is wrong too....??

Ok, Ok,...... he stole his info from Stan Teenen.........

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Stan%20tenen&search=Search&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&spell=1

Swami

16th September 2010, 16:14

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lavp8VaWbjY

http://www.douglascottrell.com/

Google for Haunebu (http://www.google.be/images?hl=nl&gbv=2&q=Haunebau&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1680&bih=856)

http://www.anakinovni.org/images/194049/Haun2action.jpg
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:zlVruIWfbYRM9M:http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/7113/ovninazi908gh.jpg&t=1
http://www.anakinovni.org/images/194049/haunebu2_mit_geschuetz.jpg

http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&biw=1680&bih=856&gbv=2&q=Haunebau&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=iw

I dont know if The Bell and Haunebu are related, anybody else perhaps....?

MariaDine

16th September 2010, 18:24

http://www.danwinter.com/

Tenen v. Winter 6:94-cv-7934: CORRECTIVE NOTICE WEBSITE: Daniel E. Winter

Deutsch: Notiz über Dan Winter English Translation (with footnotes)
This Corrective Notice by Daniel E. Winter is posted in accordance with the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order of the Hon. Charles J. Siragusa, Federal District Judge for the Western District of New York in Rochester, NY, dated September 11, 1998, in re Tenen v. Winter.

Click here for Court Orders and sworn testimony

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CORRECTIVE NOTICE
Stanley N. Tenen, Research director of Meru Foundation, a California non-profit foundation, is the creator of original "flame letter" sculptures. Mr. Tenen owns the copyrights on these sculptures, which he has licensed to Meru Foundation.

I am not now, and never have been, an associate or colleague of Meru Foundation or Mr. Tenen.
I acknowledge Mr. Tenen’s copyrights as valid and enforceable.

There are many ways to model Mr. Tenen’s "flame letter" sculpture on a personal computer by a spiral strip or a line that will cast letter-form shadows. One need not use a Golden Mean spiral to do it. Thus, the Golden Mean spiral is an irrelevant overspecification for creating Hebrew, Arabic, Roman, Greek, and English (or any other) letter-forms.

Mr. Tenen’s legally required notifications of my violations of his copyrights were not harassment and I refute and apologize for having made that false claim and for my other personal and technical untruths, personal disparagements, and anti-Semitic characterizations.

Mr.Tenen never refused to make his works available to others who asked first and honored his copyrights.
Mr.Tenen produced copyright computer graphics of his "flame letter" vortex sculptures in 1987, before I did.
I hold no technical or medical degrees.
Mr. Tenen’s scholarly concern for the integrity of his works is, and has been, fully warranted, and Mr. Tenen is neither greedy, a fanatic, nor secretive, nor a "Jewish or Hiburu priest."
I regret that others have been misled by my false claims, and I strongly encourage Mr. Vincent Bridges my publisher, and Drunvalo Melchizadek, a/k/a/ Bernard Perona d/b/a Flower of Life, Inc., and all others who have repeated my false and hurtful reports, to stop doing so.
I refute my misstatements and apologize for all of this, and I request that others now pass on, post, and report this Corrective Notice everywhere that false reports have appeared.

For further information on the "flame letter" contact:
Meru Foundation
PO Box 503
Sharon, MA 02067
Internet: http://www.meru.org
Email: meru1@well.com

I want to be clear: I have posted this Corrective Notice because I believe it to be the complete and simple truth. I request that my friends support my efforts to end these matters by scrupulously honoring and defending Mr. Tenen’s and Meru Foundation’s copyrights and good reputation. Do not pass on and please do not make any further copies or derivations of the "flame letter" vortex and alphabet forms or their derivatives.

Date 7/28/98
Signature as it appears on www.danwinter.com, per Order of Hon. Charles J. Siragusa, September 11 1998.
Daniel Winter

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See Index of Court Orders and Testimony

This website, www.danwinter.com, has been transferred to the Plaintiffs the court case Tenen v. Winter 6:94-cv-7934, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and Meru Foundation, by order of Hon. Judge Charles J. Siragusa, of the US Federal District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester.

This is not a matter of censorship. The Court has taken this action because Mr. Winter has refused to respond to the Court. He has refused to show up for hearings, for depositions, and to show cause why he should not continue to be held in contempt of court for his many violations of the Court's orders. There is an arrest warrant for Mr. Winter filed with the United States Federal Marshals' Service. This is the Court's way of using its discretionary powers to encourage Mr. Winter to appear in Court in the United States, and for deposition, as he has been ordered to do. (The three most recent Court Orders, listed and linked to below, make this clear.)

This website includes an index of posted documents, the Court's orders including Mr. Winter's Corrective Notice, a list of copyright-violating works, and excerpts from related sworn depositions and affidavits by recognized professionals, who are either expert witnesses or eyewitnesses, and other legal and historical documents pertinent to this case.

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List of Posted Documents:

Corrective Notice by Daniel E. Winter
Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order (July 1998)
Exhibits to Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order
List of Offending Works
Excerpts from Sworn Statements of Witnesses
Affidavit of Michael William Martin

Affidavit of James J. Hurtak

Daniel E. Winter: Stipulation of Free Will Agreement
Order Declaring Daniel Winter in Contempt of Court (2001)
Order Transferring Ownership of danwinter.com to Plaintiffs (2002)
INJUNCTION against All Publications by Daniel E. Winter and All Materials Pertaining to Daniel E. Winter (2002)
Original Complaint against Daniel E. Winter by the Plaintiffs, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and the Meru Foundation (1994)

Excerpts from Deposition of Daniel E. Winter, 25 May 1998
Antisemitic and Hate Email Received from Followers of Mr. Winter
This material was filed as part of a Declaration to the Court in October 2004.

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Legal Papers regarding 1999 Bankruptcy Filing of Daniel E. Winter
Bankruptcy denied in April 2000

In the United States, Bankruptcy is a constitutional right. For an individual to be denied bankruptcy requires egregious behavior, such as lying, refusing to disclose assets, and other gross distortions of the facts, on the part of that individual.

Since Mr. Winter's plagiarism and disparagement of the Tenens and Meru Foundation was ruled "willful and malicious" by the Federal District Court in New York, Mr. Winter's judgment debt to the Tenens and Meru Foundation was deemed non-dischargeable by the Bankruptcy Court.

Since Mr. Winter refused to cooperate with the Bankruptcy Court, acting evasively and non-responsively, the Bankruptcy Court ruled that his entire petition for Bankruptcy was illegitimate, and denied it.

Mr. Winter's Original Bankruptcy Filing, October 1999 PDF File, 1024K
Debt to Tenens and Meru Foundation Ruled Non-Dischargeable PDF File, 295K
Mr. Winter's Entire Bankruptcy Denied by US Bankrupcty Court
PDF File, 83K

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Historical and Sworn Materials on Mr. Winter's Relationship with "Drunvalo Melchizedek"

This chronological outline includes the following historical and sworn documents:
Letter from Mr. Melchizedek to Mr. Winter, 21 April 1992, Requiring Mr. Winter to Cease Use of Mr. Melchizedek's Name or Work
Additional Excerpts from Deposition of Daniel E. Winter, 25 May 1998

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Corrective Statements by Third Parties

November 2004
Persons interested in the Heart Tuner, click here
for statements from Rollin McCraty of the Institute of Heart Math
Dr. Gary Schwartz of the University of Arizona, and
Vinny Pinto, moderator of the Coherence e-group on Yahoo

November 2006
Correction and Statement by Dr. Leonard G. Horowitz

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December 2006
"One Crystal's Dance": This is a true copy of the entire original text
as provided by Mr. Winter, and as submitted as an exhibit for his
sworn deposition in Asheville, North Carolina in 1995. This link also
includes an excerpt from "By The Holy Tetractys!" by L. Gordon
Plummer, which was plagiarized by Mr. Winter for the "Star Mother"
geometric model in "One Crystal's Dance".
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Dear Friends,
This domain, www.danwinter.com, has been transferred to the Plaintiffs in the court case Tenen v. Winter 6:94-cv-7934, Stanley and Cynthia Tenen and Meru Foundation, by order of Hon. Judge Charles J. Siragusa, of the US Federal District Court for the Western District of New York in Rochester.

We ask all of those who are interested in the ideas that have brought them to this site to read the index and summaries listed above. It is very important that everyone understand the most important issue is not a matter of property, or slander. Nor is it a matter of Mr. Winter's admitted plagiarism, and willful and malicious behavior. The most important issue is that the materials presented by Mr. Winter are not only taken from the works of others, but that he is deliberately misrepresenting those works. In other words, social, political, personal, and legal issues aside, the materials presented by Mr. Winter are bogus. Mr. Winter actually bragged -- when he was first confronted about his lying -- that he knew that what he was presenting (particularly with regard to the golden mean and the golden spiral) was untrue, but that his audiences -- in his words -- were "too stupid to know the difference."

This is the reason why you should consider informing yourself about the facts. The problem is not that Mr. Winter is selling stolen goods. That is a problem, but it's not the worst problem. The problem is that when you open the metaphoric box of ideas that Mr. Winter is always advertising, the box is empty, or full of things that are untrue. Mr. Winter is not "liberating secrets". It is as if he is selling stolen cars that don't even have engines. (Metaphorically, of course -- thankfully, Mr. Winter is not actually selling cars. <smile>)

Also, by admitting -- bragging -- that "my audiences are too stupid to know the difference," Mr. Winter is expressing contempt for his own audiences. This is not science. This is quackery. Mr. Winter has no credentials. He has no publications. He has no colleagues. His representations of accomplishments are false, and his reputation is that of a con artist. Mr. Winter's victims are his audience. That is why he has such contempt for his audience. This is why honest, caring people who are interested in the topics Mr. Winter discusses should turn their backs on him, and go instead to the honestly-presented original sources of the research.

If you have any influence on Mr. Winter, or any interest in helping him, then we ask you to help him to keep the promises he made, and to honor the court's orders.

And finally, there should be no doubt of who is telling the truth here, because in fact, the first order posted here, entitled Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order which the court issued as an Order after reviewing the evidence, was actually composed by Mr. Winter and the attorney he hired. In other words, the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order is Mr. Winter's personal admission of guilt and responsibility.

Mr. Winter and his attorney -- in order to conclude the lawsuit -- swore before the Court that Mr. Winter was effectively an impostor, that he had plagiarized and bastardized the works of Stan Tenen and the Meru Foundation, that he had acted willfully and maliciously, and all the rest of it. So when you are reading the Findings of Fact, Conclusions of Law, and Order, you are reading Mr. Winter's statement, and Mr. Winter's side of the story. Mr. Winter's unsworn statements which he now makes in public are his way of attempting to discount what he admitted to in Court. These statements are not under oath, and these statements were not reviewed by an impartial US Federal Court judge. Thankfully, we enjoy freedom of speech, and that includes the freedom to lie. The facts are what was sworn to and reviewed by the court.

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Swami

16th September 2010, 18:33

Same info, different speaker..........:offtopic::focus:

MariaDine

16th September 2010, 19:00

Dan Winter video conference was posted as a scientic information. It is not.

Victoria Tintagel

17th September 2010, 05:21

Quote from MariaDine: "The device worked on torsion of space time by rotating drums filled with a mystery serum. Apparently the Swastika (ancient symbol of the Aryan race) is a vector diagram representing this torsion of space time". Thanks, MariaDine and good morning/day/evening to you....(( ;I find much of my own feelings and thoughts in your post, the movie Contact makes me shiver always, as it's an open door to.....whatever is out there....and there's really only one woman that is excellent in her role in this and that's our Jodie Foster!
I like your threads and postings!

Harley

17th September 2010, 09:23

Hi All!

Apparently the Swastika (ancient symbol of the Aryan race) is a vector diagram representing this torsion of space time.

Just wanted to add a little more info to this (Sorry about the size):

http://greyfalcon.us/picturezz/Schwarzesonne.jpg
http://greyfalcon.us/pictures/blsunvril.gif

The Black Sun [Schwarze Sonne] is an emblem consisting of three Swastikas arrayed within a circle to form a sun design.

The black sun symbol is found in the ornamental floor design of Wewelsburg Castle, Himmler's "World center" for the Nazi party, the headquarters of the SS.

The design was drawn for Heinrich Himmler from an old Aryan emblem, and was meant to mimic the Round Table of Arthurian legend – each spoke of the sun wheel represented one "Knight" or Officer of the "inner" SS. http://greyfalcon.us/Black%20Sun.htm

And

Germany, Hitler, the Third Reich, the Occult and UFOs

The Mystical Third Reich.

In pre-World War 1 Vienna, mysticism was an extremely popular form of theology. The massive interest in the occult and ancient teachings saw the emergence, and re-emergence, of many brotherhoods, doctrines and orders.

These included the Freemasons and similar organizations which were loyal to the philosophies of the Knights Templar. A common thread amongst these brethrens was their obsession with planning and preparation for the imminent dawning of a new, "golden age."

Hitler read all the books on mysticism and related topics that he could find. He believed the world would have to be 're-forged' to pave the way for the prophesized birth of a new Babylon. It is a known fact that Adolf Hitler read a book by Rosecrucian Grandmaster E. Bulwer Lytton, titled The Coming Race, about a subterraneous race which possessed supernatural technology and who, according to the novel, were intent on one day claiming the surface world for their own. Probably due to his fascination for occult legendry and of mystic tales -- such as the Bhuddist's traditions of a vast underground world called Agharti and the Hindu legends of a reptilian cavern world called Patalas, etc.

Hitler became obsessed with the novel and was apparently fanatical over the prospect of an imminent underground invasion of the surface world in the future, and wanted to make alliances with these underground races so that once they emerged he could rule the earth in joint capacity. Some have posed an unusual theory that these underground beings consist of three main types: human like sorcerers, reptilian humanoids who are apparently a branch off from the ancient raptor-type bi-pedal saurian species who by-passed extinction by escaping into an underground cavern realm [literal Dungeons & Dragons stuff...], and also short, greyish cybernetic drones.

The time was also one of many new discoveries and advancements in science. In Vienna 1917, in a famed meeting, a medium, a pilot, two occultists, along and a member of the Order of Knights Templar, discussed their opinions of coming of the New Age.

They discussed secret revelations and the possibility of contacting ancient Germanic and Babylonian deities.

This meeting possibly lead to the formation of the secret Thule Society which spawned the German National Socialist Party, the SS and the Vril Societies.

Their power source was the 'Black Sun'. An invisible inner light which is always present and ready to provide who know its secret with unlimited power. The Black Sun symbol has appeared in many ancient civilizations including the Babylonians.

The Thule Society 1917

The Thule Society was formed by three men in 1917. Located in Munich, it was a melting pot of many orders. In 1921 Hitler was engaged as an orator and, inspired by the beliefs of the Thule Society, his plan for a thousand year Reich was born.

The Vril Society 1919

Some groups broke away. One became the Vril Society formed in 1919. This group included mediums and experts on ancient philosophies and scripts, particularly those of the Sumerians and Babylonians. There were also two scientists who were well-versed in alternative energies. It was their aim to communicate with luminaries from the past and even to travel in time.

The Time Machine 1922-24

From these meetings, the group hatched a bizarre plan to use their knowledge to build a time machine. This was intended to transport them to the far reaches of the universe and time and to bring them face to face with the Gods themselves

Experiments with the machine lasted about two years and what eventuated is unknown. What is held as fact however is that the study formed the basis for the development of the Vril Levitation Power Unit. Many believe the machine was thoroughly tested in 1924, apparently at a German Messerschmitt factory. Cont: http://greyfalcon.us/restored/Germany.htm

There's a ton of interesting info and pictures at this site:

http://greyfalcon.us/

MariaDine

17th September 2010, 18:51

Thank you very much for the links you posted, Harley :).........it will take me sometime to read all that :ranger::typing::wink:

MariaDine

22nd September 2010, 10:36

SOMETHING ... :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fehdT3v5sXY&feature=related

Swami

22nd September 2010, 10:47

"The device worked on torsion of space time by rotating drums filled with a mystery serum. Apparently the Swastika (ancient symbol of the Aryan race) is a vector diagram representing this torsion of space time".

Could this be Heavy Water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_water)...?

MariaDine

22nd September 2010, 10:58

It's suppose to be a Mercury based compound, derivative, ....something ....according to the info on alchemical texts.

Luke

22nd September 2010, 13:05

Neither heavy water nor ordinary mercury.
It was called Xerum 525, and it was liquid purple/red in colour, according to witnesses
Farrell speculates that this substance was similar to "Red Mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury)", a mix of exotic elements/ radioactive isotopes, IIRC primarily antimony

Swami

22nd September 2010, 13:20

Neither heavy water nor ordinary mercury.
It was callex Xerum 525, and it was liquid purple/red in colour, according to witnesses
Farrell speculates that this substance was similar to "Red Mercury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_mercury)"

Thx Saico

Mluck

28th September 2010, 04:58

That was a great interview so much valiuable information on the Nazi Bell. Much of it I heard before one of my favorite project camelt interviews!!

tazjet

11th October 2010, 08:31

Red Mercury is in fact Mercury (II) Iodide. It scintilates or reflects radiation. It is also a semiconductor. Xerum 525 was said by SS LtGeneral Sporrenberg to be a mixture of beryllium and Thorium compounds in a pinkish jelly - perhaps paraffin with mercury iodide?

I have a friend in Poland who was a concentration camp prisoner near Ludwikowice at Furstenstein Castle (Ksiaz Castle) home to Count von Pless. The Nazis kicked out the castle's owners and created a huge complex beneath the forecourt of the castle. I am advised that the so called Bell was housed during 1944 in another complex beneath Gandau airfield in the suburbs of Breslau (Wroclaw) from November 1943 to November 1944, Then it was shifted to beneath Ksiaz castle and finally was shifted by rail to Wenceslas Mine near Ludwikowice on 18 December 1944. It was shifted out of the mine about 17 April and taken by narrow guage rail to Bystrzyca Klodzka Airfield. there it was loaded into a giant Junkers transport aircraft and flown away to Norway.

The area was home to several underground enterprises to do with jet aircraft, mass production of Tabun nerve gas and components for V-1 and V-2 rockets. Before marvelling at the technology, it shouldn't beforgotten that tens of thousands of people were worked to death in gruelingly inhumane circumstances to fuel the manic dreams of a Nazi elite. As Soviets approached Gross Rosen inmates who could were force marched into death camps further west. Those who couldn't were executed. I think it's wrong to link this technology with anything enlightened.

Swami

11th October 2010, 08:34

Thank you tazjet and welcome to Avalon.............

tazjet

11th October 2010, 08:54

Thanks. The Bell is a pet hobby of mine. My friend in Poland was born in 1923 and someday when I have formed a better picture of the Bell from correspondence and research I hope to publish it for everyone to benefit.

Incidentally it is known by a number of code names...

Die Glocke from Frederich Schiller's poem about the forging of Bell deep in a mine from very pure metal by a young man proving his virility. This appealed to the Aryan philosophy of Nazi Germany

Laternentraeger was another codename. This is from Greek mythology for the "Lantern Holder." The Greek name for Phosphorous mined around the area and used in production of nerve gas near Breslau. To the Romans, phosphorous represented Satan.

Kronos came from Saturn with it's rings and represented the plasma electrons spun around inside the bell like the rings of Saturn.

Swami

11th October 2010, 09:01

Carmody

11th October 2010, 14:30

MariaDine

11th October 2010, 14:53

Although mentioned in alchemical texts it is uncertain what role Bismuth played in alchemical processes.

Bismuth symbol
http://www.ancient-symbols.com/images/bismuth-symbol.gif

«Equal parts of copper and bismuth, melted together, form a brittle alloy of a pale red colour. ... A compound formed of equal parts of martial regulus and regulus of Venus, according to an alchemical prescription, the surface of which exhibits ...»
...

tazjet

11th October 2010, 21:22

http://store.innertraditions.com/Contributor.jmdx?action=displayDetail&id=1591&displayZoom=1

Robert Cox shows that the secret to all this, in the end, turned out to be not just antimony, but Bismuth. Bismuth is unique in the table of elements, in some ways, as is Gold. Gold only has the one stable isotope and is excruciatingly hard to break specific aspects of it's bonding characteristics, and thus it can literally be stretched to a atomically thin films. I'm not talking about spray deposition, but actual hammering thin, so thin it can be seen through, akin to a vapor deposited film.

Gold is considered the 'King' of these monatomics or sueprdeformed oxidized states of the platinum metals group (and includes copper), due to the dimensional egress and frequencies it works with concerning the human form and function. Monatomic silver, for example, works differently and has different dimension and different human effects, in many ways that differ from Monatomic gold. Same for the other platinum metal group monatomics.

I have no idea what evidence Robert Cox links his claims from as I have not read anything of his work. As Joseph Farrell notes Prof Walther Gerlach was in charge of the project and Gerlach from December 1943 was head of the German atomic bomb project with respect to the acquisition of fissile Uranium (ie enrichment etc).

If however you trace Gerlach's work before the war he developed the concept of spin polarisation of atoms. That is to say physically spinning material in a powerful magnetic field to induce a plasma. He was involved with experiments published in 1926 and subsequently which used a cathode of Mercury and Tungsten in a paraffin jelly to transmute mercury to gold.

Later Gerlach experimented with spinning a plasma to make gold. Seimens bought the patent rights and developed it further into a process within a vacumn which boosted the gold production. Before WW2 a general in the german army also bought patent rights from another inventor for a process to make gold from Lead or Bismuth. The general concerned created a pyramid selling scheme, selling rights in the process which eventually bankrupted many people. The transmutation process itself however worked.

The German Army Ornance Dept (Heereswaffenamt) took a great deal of interest in this work as a method for transmuting Thorium into fissile Uranium and in January 1942 appointed Gerlach to head Projekt Thor.

The Thorium was taken from Monzanite deposits in Lower Silesia in the Eulenbirge mountains near Breslau. Monzanite is Thorium-phosphate.

The Bell created a plasma which caused a photochemical reaction. The exact process is not quite clear, however a number of imprisoned Nazi nuclear scientists at a place called Farm Hall discussed the process in secretly recorded conversations.

Bismuth is known as the last stable element before we get into the radioactive, the one's that can't hold together in this universe without going into decay..and it is atomically related to antimony with regard to mining and was and is separated from antimony, similar to way that gallium is associated with and needs be separated from aluminum.

So we end up with Bismuth front and center, squarely on the plate of this question. In essence, Bismuth straddles the boundary between stability and decay. Thus, it may be possible to use it to 'flip' other atomic structures into differing states, via using it as a tool in atomic or in this case, monatomic addition and subtraction. Thus it's key use in the creation of monatomic gold or the philosopher's stone. to create super-deformed atomic structures that are superconductive and straddle dimensional barriers.

When in the superdeformed state, like HHO gas, a collapse can be precipitated, and snap back, if you will..and you end up with the zero radiation signature of the explosive power of this stuff , similar to the red mercury, as covered in The Nazi Bell books, in the Nazi explosive testing. What I mean is that David Hudson spoke of taking the complex mix of monatomics he found in the soil,and when it was wet.. putting it outside to dry, inthe sunlight. The sunlight would dry it, and at some point nthe drying process, the combination of the evaporating H2O molecules, the sunlight's action on the molecules of the monatomics and the evaporating water..would cause at least one of the molecules to snap from the super-deformed state and cascade the rest from the shock. This would cause the entire associated monatomic mass to disappear in a huge light explosion that was like the biggest flash bomb you could imagine. But no sound, nothing but the light flash..and the entire mass would dimensionally shift.

The egyptian literature would speak of the Kings and similar of ancient Egypt taking the monatomic mixtures as an elixir and when they thought their thinking (spirit body, bio-location, connection to their ethereal body complete, etc, elevated consciousness --illuminated) and mind and body were prepared enough..they would consume massive amounts of the monatomics...and then......step into the light.....and disappear from this dimension. Immortality on and in the astral realms, to their way of thinking. They had dimensionally shifted themselves, in body, and spirit.

Problem with this is that in the first operation of the Nazi Bell beneath Gandau airfield in 1943, all 7 scientists supervising it's operation were stricken by radiation sickness and only two survived. Generally all living matter within 150 metres of the bell died. Source: Sporrenberg via Igor Witkowski.

The need to torsionally spin the complex red mercury and do it under an electrical or plasma condition, is to stress the material into a co-joined atomic superdeformed state, which like the philosopher's stone, is subject to charge decay over time. This is the same multi-axis or torsionally spun directional charge consideration used in the anti-gravity craft they make and the temporal capacities as well. Which leads directly to Yellowbook and the looking glass temporal view devices. In the literature of the philosopher's stone, it literally must be charged before it can work it's miracles, the base atomic material is not effective until this takes place. This is the exact descriptive of the red mercury serum. When charging the philosopher's tone, via heating, annealing, etc... David Hudson found a whole plethora of multi-dimensional effects. The Red mercury reports similar situations, ie, different atomic weights, variations in radiation signature, etc.

This means the locking together of lattice structures of atomic bonding, to differing levels on complex molecules, using different molecules under stress considerations to create and design deformed atomic structures and straddle dimensional barriers (a cracking open of a doorway through polarity or polarization stressing), etc.

These points go through all attempts at over-unity, anti gravity, the philosopher's stone, xerum 525, monatmomics, basically... every single aspect of the entire topic of anomalous scientific considerations, spiritual considerations, and dimensional considerations (including the becker-hagens grid, spirals in history and crop circles, etc) that you can possibly imagine. All through the same single area of thought, insofar as scientific explanations go.

Everything comes to the same point, the same spot, the same explanation and actions utilized to enact effects and change.

Personally I think there is a more simple explanation of the bell's purpose. Patents were issued both during and immediately after the war which refer to the Nazi Bell as a device for creating high plasma energies. Rolf Wideroe who worked for Phillips in Hamburg during 1943 created a device described after the war by a Jewish plasma physics scientist. They described a spherical cylinder spun inside another spherical cylinder to induce a plasma.

The purpose of spinning Mercury was to generate higher energies in a plasma than could be produced just by statically inducing a magnetic charge. This led to very high temperatures. Such conditions are nowadays replicated in supercoliders.

There are many such supercoliders all around the world so if there was such distortion, which as you say David Hudson talks about then there should be examples of it in modern experiments.

Swami

12th October 2010, 08:55

There are many such supercoliders all around the world so if there was such distortion, which as you say David Hudson talks about then there should be examples of it in modern experiments.

Do you think there is a connection between the LHC-CERN and the Bell?

Carmody

13th October 2010, 17:10

The only real problem here, is that the next set of 'reveals' (the prestige)... for any of us, in this conversation, necessarily gets into interesting areas of plausibility and proofing -of an interesting nature. ie 'here be dragons', as they say on the old maps.

However, to continue, in some fashion...

The Bell created a plasma which caused a photochemical reaction

This one trips me a tiny bit. The two may be related but I'd more suspect the emissive characteristics were secondary, and not specifically related as a component of a series event completion of function..but rather a parallel related effect. Meaning the photochemical aspects, if associated with the bell, merely shows what is another door of manipulation - in order to reach a similar result. If I was forced into a black and white decision on that thought, I'd say the above statement from me is the point to march forward with -in order to speculate further with the given hypothetical data.

The point is, that no matter how it is looked at ..all of these seem to be coming down to something that could be 'mechanically' stated/related as 'shearing deformation techniques', utilized in order to alter atomic structure.

Carmody

14th October 2010, 02:21

Do you think there is a connection between the LHC-CERN and the Bell?

IMO the Large Hardon Collider (purposely misspelled) is the scientific equivalent of a purposely created red herring. Another erected dead end, in most respects. Another crumb to follow for 20 years. when the reality is that even one smart and clear minded man, left to his devices and a busload of effort and cash, can get many, many strides well ahead of any results that this LHC thing might produce. For hypothetical theorization.. and then simplistic experiments...ie, design physics by committee..you have the blood trail of the LHC.

The LHC is like all the politicians, money, backroom decision makers, and the media..and in this case, academia ...getting behind some 'question' as proposed by some new scientific 'saint', who fails to provide for food in mouths or real change...but makes an attempt to answer a theory which leads nowhere except more impractical theories...nothing that is useful in the lifetime of anyone who is here right now, reading this. It's a flaming bag of dog crap.

In politics they get behind a controllable charming moron to tie the public up in knots and in this case they tie up science with something like the LHC.

In times of war, money is thrown at intelligent men who are not interfered with....and in those moments they can get the 'connection'..and move near light years ahead (and in practical results) of the LHC. To me the LHC is 'brute force and ignorance' as an example of theorizing by disorganized committee.

And what they could do in $10B in 15 years, a smart man left to his own devices and about $10M, could move literally light years ahead of it. Which history has shown to be true -repeatedly. To me, the LHC is an insult to intelligence. It's like the Babylonian money control system's red herring of war and politics... but enacted on the scientific field as the never completing or never concluding solution. The attempt at a solution to a problem which will never be allowed to complete itself or become practical in any time period that includes freedom in the common man. It is therefore a block and slight to intelligence and human life. As all bovinefecal scientific games that took place before it which came down the line and froze science for ten years...this 'answer and practicality in our lifetime' freezes action in man for another ten years. It is a very sick joke that actually makes me sick for the supposed intelligence in man. IMO, The LHC is a delaying game or tactic.

In the same way that one wants to pull a crying man away form the still warm corpse of their child, I feel sick to my stomach and my heart aches when I see mankind's supposed intelligence sidelined by such things. Again.

To answer your question, in the direct sense? IMO....No.

Luke

14th October 2010, 09:21

More or less agree with Carmody (post #65)
We must understand that science and technology are not separate entities from anything else.

They exist within and serve specific system. Current system prefers technologies easy to centrally control, utilizing exotic materials and constructions, only states and big corporations can afford.

Also , in terms of control they are perfectly happy with current state of science progress, from their standpoint things like internet were going to far and in need to be taken back into the fold.
On the other hand, for PR reasons, there is need to create "illusion of progress". That is why such giant projects are build, that is why breakthrough is always "20 years away".

On the other hand, we are handed short lived contraptions in carefully planned phases, but utilizing same principles which were known 30 years ago (see computer processors). This is also favouring big companies with big factories: would you invest in giant LCD factory knowing that some upstart would produce cheap printed OLED's at fraction of the price? With usage of patent laws, Intellectual Property and artificially high market entry capital costs, they are free to keep whole process neatly under wraps, knowing people would shell money for another iGizmo, that is just a fraction better than last one. And then the next one. Serfs kept happy and completely indebted to PTB's

One of the reasons, why calling current "economy" a "free market" is laughable ;)

As for Bell: from what I see, somebody piggy-backed nazi state into funding exotic research, developed the tech and vanished, leaving puppets hanging. Clever. But one can see that USofA is piggybacked in similar manner right now. We are dealing with completely breakaway civilization, with technologies and science unlike anything we know and can extrapolate from what is known in our civilization's "science".

What we have are bits and pieces from 50 years ago. We also have proof of men like Tesla, that more or less refused to cooperate with our current civilization.

Question should be asked: what is needed to create such civilization, that will make breakthroughs viable? A breakaway of our own, so to speak?

Swami

14th October 2010, 10:11

To answer your question, in the direct sense? IMO....No.

Thx........:becky:

Carmody

14th October 2010, 19:08

Yessirree- Bob..maybe some day... they'll get it.

'incoherent excitations'

"New research by University of British Columbia physicists indicates that high-temperature superconductivity in copper oxides is linked to what they term 'incoherent excitations'--a discovery that sheds light on the electronic response of these materials before they become superconducting."

http://www.physorg.com/news/2010-10-incoherent-key-phase-superconductor-behavior.html

Swami

15th October 2010, 18:57

From minute 48:00...

http://truthfrequencyradio.com/?p=2656

heyokah

18th November 2010, 18:54

Found this on my Dutch forum and decided to "drop" it here.

Daily Mail, Thursday, Nov 18 2010 :

Hitler's secret flying saucer: Did the Führer plan to attack London and New York in UFOs?

As Hitler's armies began to crumble on fronts as far apart as Stalingrad and North Africa, he turned in increasing desperation to his scientists to create a war-winning super-weapon.
Some, like the V2 rockets and the first jet fighters, saw action but came too late to halt defeat.
Others were so outrageously ambitious that they never got past the drawing board. The idea of building flying saucers to bomb London and even New York could have been just such a scheme

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1330566/Hitlers-secret-flying-saucer-Did-Fuhrer-plan-UFO-attack-London-NY.html

Swami

18th November 2010, 20:44

ArtyCarl

18th November 2010, 23:34

I saw this myself in todays edition of the Daily Mail here in the UK. It is a strange article rather out of place as it is old news. The Mail does tend to publish the odd UFO article from time to time but the timing of this seems odd.

Rocky_Shorz

19th November 2010, 16:59

well now that UFOs are being spotted everywhere, they had to come out and say old news we've been flying these things for 60+ years...

Swami

5th December 2010, 23:41

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCTTzGqJctw

Leon

6th December 2010, 15:48

The answer could be simple to find by excavating the site in Poland. this will be a big job requiring a fair amount of money and manpower. then the answers can be found. I believe there is still plenty to be found there.
Starting with ground radaring the site.
if there were or not any flying sausers is irrelevant. The Germans did not loose the war, or did they? we are made to believe they did.
We are made to believe Adolf died back then, did he? where is the proof?
If you stand back and look at it all from a distance, the answer may be simple... a proving and testing time for what is yet to come.. for the NWO...
So learn from what happened and look for the signs..
It really is not this hard to put two and two together...

Swami

6th December 2010, 17:54

Joseph Farrell joined us for a discussion on the connection between UFOs and the Nazi's Third Reich, and presented a very different scenario of what crashed in Roswell, New Mexico in July of 1947. "If, two years after the end of World War II, something Nazi crashes in the New Mexico desert," he said, "then, yes, that's going to get the American military to panic." This panic, Farrell believes, caused them to create the "UFO v. weather balloon" debate which has persisted to this day and, thus, pushed all other theories into the peripheral.

http://www.veritasshow.com/guests/2010/06jun/VS-100611-jfarrell.php

Icecold

14th January 2011, 06:11

Years ago I read about the Argentinian connection. I saw photos of the installation in Argentina. I think it was viewable in Google Earth. I find it difficult to believe the US intel did not know about this.

Gen. Kammler is a very interesting chap. A man given extreme power over the highest scientific aspects of the Third Reich. Successfully disappeared completely.

Icecold

14th January 2011, 06:43

Quote from 'The Awesome Life Force' by Joseph Cater

Time is simply another aspect of activity, motion. or dynamics in the guise of a
symbol. It actually denotes the amount of activity in terms of a definite
unit using space as a background. This makes possible the correlating of
events and the bringing of order in the universe. This is all that it is.

This is little recognised in Einsteinian physics. Time is not a real entity of itself.

str8thinker

14th January 2011, 13:38

@Swami: It is difficult for me to accept Joseph Farrell's claim that the Roswell vehicle might have been a Nazi UFO as people like Paul Epley claim the bodies recovered were definitely non-human ETs.

The One

14th January 2011, 14:12

Very interesting this subject.

The Bell this weapon project may hold the key to explaining much of recent history .The project was called Project Chronos meaning Project Time and it was given the highest possible classification,that being decisive for the war.

http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/Joseph-Farrell-Interview.pdf

https://sites.google.com/site/naziabomb/home/nazi-bell-project-background

lets not forgert Captured German scientists jump-started the American space program

Leon

18th January 2011, 20:32

Just a note on the bell.

it seems that this type of device has been replicated in the US see the link:

http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/The-New-Nazi-Bell.pdf

I also came accross this note: In 2001, a California defense-contractor built a replica of the fabled Nazi-Bell. It worked. Get the story behind the story of "Einstein's Antigravity", and how a simple research project turned into a mind-blowing jaunt through history's biggest conspiracy...

Rocky_Shorz

18th January 2011, 20:45

which brings up a new question...

Nick Cook effectively summarized the construction of the Bell, which I’ll re-quote from the “Einstein’s Antigravity” article: “The Nazi-Bell device consisted two of counter-rotating cylindrical containers. The containers, which were positioned one above the other measured approximately 1-meter in diameter, and were filled with cryogenically cooled and frozen Mercury metal. There was a frozen core of a metallic paste, which served as a “high permeability material” for the EMG (electromagnetic-gravitational) field.”

Dering's story was that Walther Gerlach had been behind both the Nazi-Bell Project and something called the "Rhine Valley" experiments. These might have been the "foo-fighters", but the idea John expressed was that they were aspects of the same technology. The Bell was a propulsion system, probably Antigravity -- and the Rhine Valley experiment was a weapons-system based on some deadly side-effects that had been noticed during testing of the Bell.

Dering didn't elaborate much on the Rhine Valley experiments, except to say that they also incorporate something called "Zenic" or "Zinsser" surface-waves (can't remember which). These are apparently a very efficient method of transmitting electricity through the ground, and involve the calculation of complex resonant frequencies. It sounds like Tesla, but apparently was a very rigorous mathematical process that let the Germans supposedly blanket the valley with a field that normally wouldn't reach more than a hundred feet. These are also the basis for some new engineering projects that John's dreamed up, such as building a "hovercraft" that uses Lenz-Levitation at very low power-levels to hover over these surface-waves imparted via RF-transmitters to the ground below...

does the image on that page remind anyone of the Stone circles?

link (http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/The-New-Nazi-Bell.pdf)

Icecold

19th January 2011, 07:20

Bill Ryan

19th January 2011, 07:31

Leon, it states in that article that the basis for the Bell was Einstein's Unified Field Theory, yet both I.Witkowski and Dr. Farrell suggested that it was specifically a new type of physics which excluded Einsteinian principles of relativity? Seems to be an anomaly there somewhere.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory

There is no accepted unified field theory. It remains an open line of research. The term was coined by Einstein (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein), who attempted to unify the general theory of relativity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_relativity) with electromagnetism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetism), hoping to recover an approximation for quantum theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics). A "theory of everything (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_of_everything)" is closely related to unified field theory, but differs by not requiring the basis of nature to be fields, and also attempts to explain all physical constants of nature (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimensionless_physical_constant).

No anomaly - any Unified Field Theory would transcend and incorporate relativity and quantum theory.

Leon

19th January 2011, 07:50

agreed, I did find the following on this as well:

http://pesn.com/2005/11/16/9600203_New_Nazi_Bell/

see also this report:

http://pdfcast.org/pdf/einstein-s-antigravity

Leon

19th January 2011, 17:20

Anyone ever heard of the Kecksburg ufo crash? from description sounds like a bell crash

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Kecksburg.html

also copies mentioning this...

Swami

19th January 2011, 18:06

Anyone ever heard of the Kecksburg ufo crash? from description sounds like a bell crash

http://www.ufocasebook.com/Kecksburg.html

also copies mentioning this...

Many people believe the government is not telling the truth about its involvement in the retrieval of a crashed UFO in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania in 1965. If a UFO did crash from the sky, was it man-made, an alien spacecraft from another world, or was the story only a hoax? People who live in Kecksburg still wonder what it was that caused the military, police, and local firefighters to respond so quickly to this rural community.

Follow the events of December 9th, 1965, with UFO Investigator Stan Gordon as twenty-one witnesses describe what they saw, the news medias involvement and the military's mysterious removal of a UFO to an unknown Air Force base where all traces of this event disappeared in secrecy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwY_55Sy_nc

Leon

23rd January 2011, 19:05

From some research it seems the Bell was moved, it was taken by narrow gauge train to Swidnice then loaded on the remaining Ju 390 which was repainted into Swedish colour a light blue and hidden under tarps and guarded by the SS. with some passengers as well and flown to Bodø Airfield in Norway, from there it either flew to Japan and returned then flew to Uruguay to a village named 19 de Abril, it's airport or a German owned ranch not far from there to the north east.
This plane was fitted with in air refueling capabilities, and was able to make the nearly 7000NM journey.
Then the plane was dismantled and disposed of in a river nearby.

According to witnesses there who have seen the plane land and a Bell shaped object removed.

I am unsure what to believe about the U-Boats...

The plane theory seems more plausible

Many U-Boats came to Argentina after the war's end, but it seems so too did many German longrange aircraft...

About the Henge near Ludwikowice Poland, there is an aerial photo taken in 1940's of this site, and it clearly shows the Henge as it looks today, no water tower on top of it !!!!

Leon

24th January 2011, 09:42

Perhaps one should also look at what went on before the Bell project and what led up to it: Das Kronus Projekt in Berlin or Cronus Project

http://unbelievablepictures.wordpress.com/2009/12/29/das-kronus-projekt-in-berlin/

I translated some of the text here for those who do not have a translation program, its not perfect but you will understand it the related pictures are in the link:

1924 or 1925, with the participation of the then Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Physics in Berlin-Dahlem, a little-known research project that has now completely fallen into oblivion, its significance can hardly be underestimated.
As part of attempts to verify the general relativity Einstein's theory An attempt was made to influence by manipulations of spatial curvature the end of the timeline. By using extremely slow space-time vectors to slow the passage of time was sought.
In 1926, after the lapse of a few promising attempts it was decided to use smaller devices, to start with the subjects occupied large equipment. For cost reasons, a then common metro car AI has been modified and manned by volunteers. A total of 8 people would have volunteered to participate.
It is believed that the device set in motion in the summer of 1926 under-ground at about the level of today's underground station Rathaus Steglitz north, so internally, the name was used Entschleunigungsbahn Steglitz. The exact location is now obscure. The required tunnel work was probably begun around 1925
The calculated Resultant velocity was now about 10.4 mm / day. Based on this speed the object would have traveled about 317 meters today, and for the start of the test subjects since 1926, only about 6 hours 30 minutes ago.
Due to war-related losses today hardly any written documents exist, but some clues lead to the assumption that the object remains continuously and very slowly as Time machine moved by the Berlin underground. In addition, there are a certain number of historical references and witness reports that Indicate the continuation of the experiment.
Also Project Laternenträger:
a loose metaphor for the Light Bearer, Lucifer. Under such names, the Reich’s ultra classified, “War Decisive”, high energy weapon was built—and many believe tested.

It is difficult to find more information at the moment on this project but it seems to lead straight to the Bell project.

It may have to do with a project by Professor. Walther Gerlach the Stern-Gerlach experiment. It seems he was also a important person in the Bell project

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern-Gerlach-Versuch

Leon

24th January 2011, 10:09

Just back to Kecksburg this is a monument of what people saw then, it is placed near Kecksburg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3970&d=1295863570

Leon

25th January 2011, 11:07

The One

25th January 2011, 11:21

John Dering of SARA and members of that team have replicated key elements of the fabled Nazi Bell technology, and have seen some anti-gravity and propulsion effects with it. Not only does their replication have ramifications for anti-gravity and propulsion, but it could also hold a key to the development of new energy technologies. The technology depends on and fills in some missing pieces in Einstein's Unified Field Theory.
http://www.sara.com/

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6960975.html

the_flyingboy

26th January 2011, 03:58

I have heard about the Bell project and some other projects the nazi were doing,i also heard about in Acropolis in greece they took out a female statue column which was replaced with a fake but the interesting thing is that word has come to my ear that the statue which they took was hollow and contained something inside but noone really knows what was inside...my opinion is that it could of been an ancient manuscript of some sort for ancient tecnology.But then again that is only my opinion.
Some people would know that the NAZI were probably the first to find a u.f.o and if i'm correct it must of been in todays IRAQ,and after the war the americans took most if not all the scientists to work for them and some of them went to i think Brazil to continue their research.
After that americans and russians have been seaching for old tecnologies i heard some time in the 90's belguim had a taste of u.f.o findings as well.
Why all this secracy?
These should be the findings of the centuary and not to build weapons to kill other beings from other planets or even solar systems and galaxies.

---------------

Update - 26 July 2010:

Now published....

[The MP3 is here, for those who prefer to listen on their iPods.

http://projectavalon.net/igor_witkowski_nazi_bell.mp3

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The One

26th January 2011, 10:02

Recent years have seen the emergence of a rumour that float around the internet like moths to a flame about a crashed UFO in the Black Forest in 1936 which was spirited away to the dark heart of Nazi Germany. There it was to be dismantled and diligently studied by, it is claimed, the members of the Vril Society. While no historically verifiable evidence for this tale has come to light, the idea of alien technology that has fallen into the hands of a select group, was already the subject of a film in Germany in 1920.Just two years after the defeat of Germany in the First World War, a little known silent film was released. Entitled Algol, it tells the story of a superior extraterrestrial from the Dogstar, who donates incredible technology that enables a wealthy industrialist to enslave the world by this free energy device. Lost for decades, copies of the film have surfaced in recent years.Hitler's obsession with the occult and astrology is well known - but evidence that his aerospace and rocket scientists were plundering alien technology to build Nazi UFOs has never gripped the public imagination. Wernher von Braun and the Luftwaffe design teams could have been guided by extraterrestrials, perhaps looting interstellar components from a crashed spaceship.America rounded up these scientist took them to secret bases and stole the technology.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fgreyfalcon.us%2Frestored%2F1936.htm&ei=EPE_TfCINdGR4Qa8t42ZAw&usg=AFQjCNHZm-K3W8ns-LlS_tPVsBDcfp9Cmw

Swami

28th February 2011, 18:10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pqj4UbwqHfY

shybastid

1st March 2011, 01:22

Just back to Kecksburg this is a monument of what people saw then, it is placed near Kecksburg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3970&d=1295863570

Leon ? What language is written at the bottom? That's not graffiti correct?

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REALLY good thread of material.. Thanks you guys. I'm a nuts and bolts guy.

Lord Sidious

1st March 2011, 01:32

This is an interview I am REALLY looking forward to after reading 'Reich of the Black Sun' and currently 'SS Brotherhood of the Bell' by Joseph P Farrell. He ties a lot of loose strands together and the interview with Igor will hopefully add more substance to an extremely interesting topic.

The old SS 'church' is still there at Padaborn in Nord Deutschland. Well worth a visit if you are in Germany at any time. Twelve canted windows funneling light to the center and plenty of sacred geometry for those who know their stuff. V Interesting.

Peace

K

You speak of Wewelsburg.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Schwarze_sonne.jpg

Where did the Nazi's get the knowledge to even start experimenting with this tech?

It is probably what they got from their research in Tibet and Iraq.
Reading through a lot of the old info is where a lot of it came from.
There is also the Vril Gesellshaft and their ''channelled'' info.

I dont know if The Bell and Haunebu are related, anybody else perhaps....?

From what I can figure, they are not related.
It is said that the Hanebu is from channelled info that Maria Orsic received from Aldebaran.
Die Glocke is from ancient texts found here on earth.

The Germans did not loose the war, or did they? we are made to believe they did.

The allies say they won the war and they still occupy Germany, but look at the state of the victors.
The may occupy Germany, but they don't have the Reich, that was dispersed.

We are made to believe Adolf died back then, did he? where is the proof?

No, he did not die in Germany, he died in Argentina.
He lived near a town called Bariloche.

If you stand back and look at it all from a distance, the answer may be simple... a proving and testing time for what is yet to come.. for the NWO...
So learn from what happened and look for the signs..
It really is not this hard to put two and two together...

What signs would you look for?
And how would you decypher them all these years later?
And through the filters of people who grew up watching the allied propaganda.

Years ago I read about the Argentinian connection. I saw photos of the installation in Argentina. I think it was viewable in Google Earth. I find it difficult to believe the US intel did not know about this.

Gen. Kammler is a very interesting chap. A man given extreme power over the highest scientific aspects of the Third Reich. Successfully disappeared completely.

The western allies knew where Hitler had gone, they found out in the late 40's or early 50's.
They were convinced to leave him and his people alone.

lets not forgert Captured German scientists jump-started the American space program

Did they?
Or did they use American money and American resources for the Reichs purposes?

Just a note on the bell.

it seems that this type of device has been replicated in the US see the link:

http://www.americanantigravity.com/documents/The-New-Nazi-Bell.pdf

I also came accross this note: In 2001, a California defense-contractor built a replica of the fabled Nazi-Bell. It worked. Get the story behind the story of "Einstein's Antigravity", and how a simple research project turned into a mind-blowing jaunt through history's biggest conspiracy...

Farrell is probably correct in saying that Die Glocke isn't a weapon in or of itself, it is more a gateway device that opens a lot of other doors.
And another poster mentioned Kronos being time, that should be a big hint to you what this device could have been used for.
It wasn't a warhead delivery system like the history channel says, that much should be obvious.

Just back to Kecksburg this is a monument of what people saw then, it is placed near Kecksburg

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3970&d=1295863570

Leon ? What language is written at the bottom? That's not graffiti correct?

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REALLY good thread of material.. Thanks you guys. I'm a nuts and bolts guy.

That isn't graffiti and it isn't known what language it is.

Here is a question for you readernuggets.
If this device was activated in 1944 and the device sent ripples through the space time continuum at the speed of light and we say that this devices TRUE engineers are on a planet in orbit of Aldebaran, the same one that Maria Orsic is meant to have been in contact with and that is 68 light years from Earth, then when would those ripples start to be detected by them?

shybastid

1st March 2011, 04:06

Phenominal. Supurb. Well done. Just Wow.

11alone

1st March 2011, 08:06

very interesting, worth watching :)

vibrations

1st March 2011, 08:31

Where did the Nazi's get the knowledge to even start experimenting with this tech?

It is probably what they got from their research in Tibet and Iraq.
Reading through a lot of the old info is where a lot of it came from.
There is also the Vril Gesellshaft and their ''channelled'' info.

[/QUOTE]

I believe that the Third Reich elite was in a contact with some ET civilization through the project Vrill and they got a lot of technical info from them. The goal (of ET's) was to help established foundations for the better society which failed with Hitler’s ambitions to rule the world, and as I know even today there is a confusion in a ET circles who is responsible for giving to Germans so extensive knowledge without a guarantee of a positive use of this tech.

Swami

1st March 2011, 09:37

Nazi UFO, the Bell. Investigation about the secret project in German Silesia. Nick Cook, Joseph Farrel and the Nazi Occult science. Base Vril.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd66tU8B8vI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzCjX1sdLc

Lord Sidious

1st March 2011, 09:45

Where did the Nazi's get the knowledge to even start experimenting with this tech?

It is probably what they got from their research in Tibet and Iraq.
Reading through a lot of the old info is where a lot of it came from.
There is also the Vril Gesellshaft and their ''channelled'' info.

I believe that the Third Reich elite was in a contact with some ET civilization through the project Vrill and they got a lot of technical info from them. The goal (of ET's) was to help established foundations for the better society which failed with Hitler’s ambitions to rule the world, and as I know even today there is a confusion in a ET circles who is responsible for giving to Germans so extensive knowledge without a guarantee of a positive use of this tech.[/QUOTE]

Hitler never wanted to rule the world. You do know there were only 80 million Germans, yes?
The real ones wanting to rule the world were the big three, UK, US and the USSR.
Some info came from the Vril Gesellshaft and some from programmes within the Ahnernerbe.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8a/Ahnenerbe.jpg

Swami

1st March 2011, 10:32

A Rare Old VHS tape converted to Digital. Isn't it funny how Main Stream Medea never talks about the German Anti Gravity flying machines ?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?15373-NAZI-UFO-Secrets-of-WWII&p=160445&viewfull=1#post160445

observer

18th March 2011, 02:50

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=3979&d=1295953315

A mid 1940's Ariel photo of the Dynamit AG Ludwikowice the Henge site, the Henge can be seen in the middle about a 1/4 to the left. you can see there was no water tower on this.....

With this photographic evidence now on record, I withdraw my earlier observation (comment #33) that the Henge structure bore a striking resemblance to the water cooling tower structure at Siechnice, Poland.

It is obvious from the photograph offered by Leon, the Henge structure has no water tower assembly resting on it. I believe this evidence puts the speculation that this was a water tower to rest.

Additionally, I would like to offer an extremely relevant Coast to Coast interview with Dr. Joseph Farrell that explains much of what was going-on with this research, in both the U.S. and Nazi Germany.

Joseph P. Farrell - Secrets Of The Unified Field -
Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgdJQP1P6fU
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNiewkFtVOg&feature=related
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgqQAouFcg0&feature=related
Additional parts can be followed on YouTube.

Bill Ryan

18th March 2011, 03:34

shybastid

18th March 2011, 03:50

Yeah.... Some of the best history meets history I've ever followed. Really good.

Thanks. And thanks to all of you for being objective about it. Just kind of layed it out.

Intruiging is an understatement.

observer

18th March 2011, 04:39

Leon, can you enhance or enlarge this, and circle or point to exactly what you're looking at here?

Many thanks. I'm most interested.

I'll make an attempt to show what Leon is talking about:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzCjX1sdLc&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOzCjX1sdLc&feature=player_embedded

Push the timer over to 4 min., 8 sec.

Leon

18th March 2011, 18:36

here a pic with the flytrap circled.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=6186&d=1300473062

I enlarged the picture, but it shows smaller?

Also another interesting video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sABpGFzxebQ&feature=player_embedded#at=45

Lord Sidious

19th March 2011, 03:39

ThePythonicCow

19th March 2011, 04:10

Leon - is the following what you are referring to, the small darker circle of ground with lighter color border, inside the green circle that I drew?

http://thepythoniccow.us/Nazi_Bell_Henge_scan2pu5.jpg

(My trick - upload the marked up image to another website I have and link to it from here. I thus avoid the image compression code of this webserver ;).)

Bill Ryan

19th March 2011, 04:23

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Many thanks indeed! Very important. :)

Here's a still from the video: it's shown really clearly: this is no water tower.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jOzCjX1sdLc

http://projectavalon.net/Nazi_Bell_Fly_Trap.jpg

webyourstuff

21st March 2011, 03:02

Bill Ryan

21st March 2011, 05:34

Err... Bill...
Loved the video! But had a problem with one aspect. Toward the end, Igor had one piece of info he wanted to tell you and Kerry, but he asked you to turn the camera off.
But the camera stayed on.
Although I am glad to have gotten the complete show, I was concerned about this.
If I were being interviewed, I would be concerned that you may not honor my confidence, if I saw this interview first.

How did this happen?

Really? I'm not aware of that. Can you give me the timecode?

(Might have been an editing glitch - I'd be surprised if something like that was missed. But it's not impossible. Also possible is that the request to turn the camera off was left in, and then the camera was turned off as requested - after which we resumed on another topic, but the transition was not clearly indicated... so it looked continuous. I'd have to take a look.)

GlassSteagallfan

6th April 2011, 12:30

... Igor Witkowski and the Nazi Bell...

I have some trouble hearing, so I miss things in videos when there is no captions and especially strong accents.

Anyway, it just occured to me...

The Nazi Bell in the beginning of the video reminds me of stonehenge - only fixed up. Maybe its a mini version.

Cheers!

ender

21st May 2011, 12:07

i have been thinking. for the more science minded here.if you had a divice that decreaced the mass of an object ( ship )would any magnets in the ship have the same punch.

what im getting at is this. if the bell did does lessen the mass could you then use magnets to push agenst the earths magnetic field to genetat lift.like 2 north poles of to magnets?or would the magnettic force be lessoned with the amount of mass loss.....this is my first post so please be kind ;)

Lord Sidious

21st May 2011, 16:31

Leon

13th June 2011, 15:04

Some more info on this: you can use google translator on this...

Walter Gerlach
1889-1979
von

Helmut Rechenberg
München

Auf ALFRED LANDÉS Anfrage, wer für die Neubesetzung des Lehrstuhls für Experimentalphysik an der Universität Tübingen in Frage käme, antwortete ALBERT EINSTEIN am 6. November 1924:

"Nach meiner Meinung wäre Herr GERLACH der richtige Nachfolger
für PASCHEN. Er ist unter den jüngeren deutschen
Experimentalphysikern, die in Betracht kommen, wohl der beste. Er ist
vielseitig, ideenreich und dabei sicher und zuverlässig.
Menschlich macht er auch einen guten Eindruck. Dies sage ich indem ich
mich auf den Instinkt verlasse; ich kenne ihn nicht genauer."^1

Lebenslinie und frühe Arbeiten zur Strahlungs- und Quantenphysik

Der von EINSTEIN also Gepriesene stammte aus Biebrich am Rhein, wo er am 1. August 1889 geboren wurde. Leben und Laufbahn führen ihn von einem deutschen Fluß zum anderen, vom Rhein an den Neckar, vom Neckar an die Spree, die Wupper, den Main, wieder an den Neckar, dann die Isar, die Spree, den Rhein und endlich zurück an die Isar.

WALTER GERLACH studierte ab 1908 Physik bei FRIEDRICH PASCHEN und EDGAR MEYER in Tübingen. 1912 promovierte er zum Dr. phil., vier Jahre später habilitierte er sich ebenfalls in Tübingen. Der Militärdienst (1915-1918) brachte ihn am Kriegsende nach Berlin, anschließend ging er über ein Jahr in die Industrie (Frühjahr 1919 bis Herbst 1920 im Physikalischen Laboratorium der Farbenfabriken Elberfeld), bevor er zur Universität Frankfurt am Main stieß. Anfang 1925 folgte er seinem Doktorvater PASCHEN, der als Präsident der Physikalisch-Technischen Reichsanstalt nach Berlin berufen worden war, in Tübingen nach. 1929 wurde er auf den Münchner Lehrstuhl für Experimentalphysik geholt (seine Vorgänger waren WILLY WIEN und WILHELM CONRAD RÖNTGEN), den er mit Unterbrechungen bis zu seiner Emeritierung im Jahre 1957 innehatte. Im Zweiten Weltkrieg hielt er sich eine Zeitlang in Berlin auf, als Leiter der Fachsparte Physik im Reichsforschungsrat und vor allem "Beauftragter des Reichsmarschalls für Kernphysik" (ab Anfang 1944 war GERLACH für das geheime deutsche Uranprojekt zuständig); von Mai 1945 bis Januar 1946 wurde er von den Amerikanern und Engländern interniert und nach seiner Rückkehr in die britische Besatzungszone übernahm er zwei Jahre lang den Bonner Lehrstuhl, bevor er Anfang 1948 nach München zurückkehren konnte. Er starb dort am 10. August 1979, wenige Tage nach seinem 90. Geburtstag. Obwohl FRIEDRICH PASCHEN sich ab 1900 vornehmlich mit der atomaren Spektroskopie beschäftigte - er baute in seinem Tübinger Institut in mehrjähriger Arbeit Apparaturen vor allem für die Beobachtung von infraroten Spektrallinien und für den Zeemaneffekt auf (letztere zusammen mit seinem Schüler ERNST BACK), gab er GERLACH als Dissertation ein Thema aus seinem früheren Forschungsgebiet, der Untersuchung der "schwarzen Strahlung".^2 Auch nach seiner Promotion führte der junge Assistent weitere Strahlungsmessungen durch. Allerdings brachte ihm der 1911 als Extraordinarius von Aachen nach Tübingen gekommene EDGAR MEYER ein neues Problem nahe, den lichtelektrischen Effekt. In einer Reihe von Veröffentlichungen aus den Jahren 1913 bis 1915 berichteten die beiden über ihre kniffligen Untersuchungen des Effektes an mikroskopischen Metallteilchen sowie bei sehr niedrigen Drucken.^3

Es gab damals mehrere konkurrierende quantentheoretische Erklärungen des Grundphänomens: neben der Einsteinschen mit Hilfe der Lichtquantenhypothese hatten ARNOLD SOMMERFELD und PETER DEBYE aus dem Wirkungsintegralansatz eine Gleichung abgeleitet, nach der die Akkumulationszeit der ultravioletten Strahlung im Metall von ihrer elektrischen Amplitude abhängt (1912). GERLACH und MEYER konnten diese Beziehung jedoch eindeutig widerlegen.

Für die Habilitationsschrift von 1916 wählte GERLACH wieder Experimente, die absolute Messungen der schwarzen Strahlung zuließen.^4 Wie er später gerne nicht ohne Stolz erwähnte, erdachte er sich dazu eine geschickte Vorrichtung, die es ihm erlaubte, die Konstanten des Stefan-Boltzmannschen Gesetzes schnell einmal wesentlich genauer als bisher zu bestimmen. Die Verhältnisse der letzten Kriegsjahre und der Zeit danach ließen ein umfangreiches experimentelles Programm nicht zu, verhinderten aber keineswegs regelmäßige Publikationen GERLACHS, so etwa über den Radiometereffekt oder empirische Bestätigungen der Quantentheorie.
Frankfurt am Main und der Stern-Gerlach-Effekt

"Wir haben jetzt GERLACH hier, der sehr famos ist: energisch, kenntnisreich, geschickt, hilfsbereit," berichtete MAX BORN vergnügt am 12. Februar 1921 seinem Freunde EINSTEIN nach Berlin. Er fügte aber auch hinzu:

"Er hat jetzt ein Angebot der Regierung von Chile, dort (in Santiago)
die Physik und die Elektrotechnik zu übernehmen; ob das
vernünftig ist? lch glaube, er hat auch hier gute Aussichten,
aber er ist ein unternehmender Kerl und für einen solchen
Außenposten gut geeignet."^5

Es gelang glücklicherweise, GERLACH in Frankfurt am Main zu halten, und er machte sich bald nützlich, auch über das experimentelle Institut von RICHARD WACHSMUTH hinaus, dem er als Hauptassistent zugeordnet war. So schrieb BORN in seinen Erinnerungen:

"WALTER GERLACH fand die Atmosphäre in meiner Abteilung
anregender als in der seinen und wurde unser ständiger Gast und
Mitarbeiter. lch veröffentlichte gemeinsam mit ihm verschiedene
Abhandlungen, eine recht gute über die Elektronenaffinität
von Jod, Sauerstoff und Schwefel, die aus den Gitterenergien berechnet
wurde. Seine Arbeit mit STERN war jedoch wichtiger."^6

OTTO STERN, seit 1914 Privatdozent an der Universität Frankfurt am Main, gehörte früher zu MAX VON LAUES und daher jetzt zu BORNS Abteilung. Er begann nach seiner Rückkehr aus dem Militärdienst Experimente mit der von LOUIS DUNOYER in Paris ausgebauten Atomstrahlmethode, zunächst zur Messung der kinetischen Eigenschaften von Atomen und Molekülen, etwa ihrer Geschwindigkeitsverteilung. BORN erinnerte sich:

"Danach wurden STERNs Pläne ehrgeiziger, er wollte die
magnetischen Momente von Atomen durch Ablenkung eines Atomstrahls in
ein inhomogenes Magnetfeld messen. Auf diese Weise hoffte er den
Nachweis für eine der seltsamsten Schlußfolgerungen aus der
Quantentheorie zu erbringen, die SOMMERFELD entwickelte und
"Quantelung der Richtung" genannt hatte. Angesichts der extremen
[experimentellen] Schwierigkeiten, die zu erwarten waren, tat sich
STERN mit GERLACH zusammen, der auf dem Gebiet der Vakuumtechnik
große Erfahrung besaß. So begannen sie, ihre Apparaturen
zu bauen, aber das kostete Geld, und das gab es nicht."^7

Nun, BORN schaffte es doch, Geld für die experimentelle Arbeit in seiner Abteilung zu besorgen, teils durch eigene populäre Vorträge über die damals sehr gefragte Relativitätstheorie, teils durch Stiftungen von privater und öffentlicher Seite.

Über den STERN-GERLACH-Effekt, der eine der wenigen ganz grundlegenden Erscheinungen der Quantentheorie darstellte, ist viel und oft geschrieben worden.^8 Die theoretische Voraussetzung des für das entdeckende Experiment lieferte SOMMERFELDS "Richtungsquantelung", d. h. die Annahme einer quantisierten räumlichen Ausrichtung von Elektronenbahnen im Atom, die er zur Beschreibung der Zeeman- und Starkeffekte brauchte.^9 STERN nahm die räumliche Quantisierung wörtlich und entwarf ein Experiment, sie nachzuweisen, nämlich durch die Aufspaltung eines Atomstrahls (dessen Teilchen ein magnetisches Moment besitzen) in einem stark inhomogenen Magnetfeld. Er rechnete den Effekt theoretisch aus und fragte dann GERLACH, ob sich die zur Beobachtung notwendige Inhomogenität des Magnetfeldes erreichen ließe. GERLACH bejahte die Frage, worauf STERN die Idee des Experiments veröffentlichte.^10 Die tatsächliche Ausführung aber nahm noch einige Zeit in Anspruch, vom Sommer 1921 bis zum Februar 1922. Unter anderem mußte ein feiner Atomstrahl erreicht und Vakuumpumpen teilweise selbst gebaut werden, während man einen starken Elektromagneten leihen konnte. EINSTEIN in Berlin half, Geld vom Fonds des Kaiser Wilhelm-Instituts für Physik und der Notgemeinschaft der Deutschen Wissenschaft sowie von Privatpersonen zu besorgen, die Vereinigung von Freunden und Förderern der Universität Frankfurt griff ebenfalls ein. In den schwierigen Tagen der beginnenden Inflation war die Finanzierung des Versuchs ein ganz großer Erfolg.

WILHELM SCHÜTZ, ein Doktorand GERLACHS aus dieser Zeit, berichtete über die kritische Phase ab Oktober 1921:

"Die alte Apparatur hatte gerade soviel hergegeben, daß man auf
dem Auffänger eine Verbreiterung des Silberatomstrahls im
inhomogenen Magnetfeld von der erwarteten Größenordnung
erkennen konnte. Ein größerer Umbau mit dem Ziel einer
weiteren Erhöhung des Auflösungsvermögens der Apparatur
war erforderlich. Während dieses Umbaues siedelte STERN nach
Rostock über, um dort die Professur für theoretische Physik
zu übernehmen. Er tauchte aber von Zeit zu Zeit (Weihnachten 1921
und Ostern 1922 [das noch im März lag]) zu Besprechungen und zur
Vermessung der Inhomogenität des Magnetfelds im Frankfurter
Institut auf."^10

Auch der Institutsmechaniker ADOLF SCHMIDT half kräftig, das Experiment vorzubereiten, vor allem bei den langwierigen Bemühungen um die Herstellung des erforderlichen Vakuums von 10-5 Torr in einer Anordnung mit extremen Temperaturdifferenzen: die Temperatur des Öfchens zur Erzeugung des Silberstrahles war 1300 K, die Abkühlung in der anschließenden Apparatur geschah durch Kohlesäureschnee und flüssige Luft. SCHüTZ erinnerte sich weiter:

"Es war eine Sisyphusarbeit, deren Hauptlast auf den breiten Schultern
von Professor GERLACH lag. Insbesondere die Nachtwachen übernahm
W. GERLACH. Er kam dann gegen 21 Uhr mit einem Packen von
Sonderdrucken und Büchern. In der Nacht wurden die Korrekturen
durchgelesen, Rezensionen und Aufsätze geschrieben, Vorlesungen
vorbereitet, viel Kakao oder Tee getrunken und sehr viel geraucht.
Wenn ich dann morgens wieder in das Institut kam, das vertraute
Geräusch laufender Pumpen hörte und GERLACH noch da war, war
das ein gutes Zeichen: Es war über Nacht nichts zu Bruch
gegangen.

So kam ich eines Morgens im Februar ins Institut; es war ein
herrlicher Morgen: Kaltlufteinbruch und Neuschnee! GERLACH war dabei,
wieder einmal den Niederschlag eines Atomstrahls, der acht Stunden
lang durch ein inhomogenes Magnetfeld gelaufen war, zu entwickeln.
Erwartungsvoll verfolgten wir den Entwicklungsprozeß und
erlebten den Erfolg monatelangen Bemühens: die erste Aufspaltung
eines Silberatomstrahls im Magnetfeld. Nachdem Meister SCHMIDT und,
wenn ich mich recht erinnere, auch MADELUNG die Aufspaltung gesehen
hatten, ging es ins Mineralogische Institut zu Herrn NACKEN, um den
Befund mikrophotographisch festzuhalten. Dann erhielt ich den Auftrag,
eine Telegramm an Herrn Professor STERN nach Rostock aufzugeben,
dessen Text lautete: 'BOHR hat doch recht!'"^12

Bemerkenswerterweise glaubte SOMMERFELD, der doch die räumliche Quantelung eingeführt hatte, damals eher an eine Verbreiterung des Silberatomstrahles, während NIELS BOHR eine Aufspaltung vorhergesagt hatte.

Die erste entscheidende Publikation reichten GERLACH und STERN zum 1. März bei der Zeitschrift für Physik ein, eine weitere folgte nach Ostern Ende März 1922.^13 EINSTEIN schrieb bald darauf an BORN, der seit Sommer 1921 Professor in Göttingen war (worauf ihm in Frankfurt am Main ERWIN MADELUNG nachfolgte):

"Das Interessanteste aber ist gegenwärtig das Experiment von
STERN und GERLACH. Die Einstellung der Atome ohne
Zusammenstöße ist nach den jetzigen
Überlegungsmethoden durch Strahlung nicht zu verstehen; eine
Einstellung sollte von Rechts wegen mehr als 100 Jahre dauern. Ich
habe mit EHRENFEST eine kleine Rechnung darüber
angestellt. RUBENS hält das exerimentelle Ergebnis für
absolut sicher."^14

In der Tat konnten die damals bekannten Vorstellungen, wie vor allem EINSTEIN mit PAUL EHRENFEST zeigte, den von GERLACH und STERN erhaltenen Effekt nicht erklären.^15 Erst die im Jahre 1925 entdeckte Quantenmechanik von WERNER HEISENBERG, MAX BORN und PASCUAL JORDAN brachte den Umschwung, und seitdem zählt man den STERN-GERLACH-Effekt zu den sichersten experimentellen Grundlagen der Quantenmechanik.
Magnetismus, Spektralanalyse und Ramaneffekt

Die Entdeckung des STERN-GERLACH-Effektes stellt sicher einen - vom Standpunkte der Physikgeschichte natürlich den - Höhepunkt in der wissenschaftlichen Laufbahn WALTHER GERLACHS dar. Die sich anschließenden Folge- und Präzisionsuntersuchungen des Effektes erstreckten sich über eine Reihe von Jahren, in denen sich der Frankfurter Extraordinarius zu einem unumstrittenen Experten auf dem Gebiete der magnetischen Atommomente entwickelte.^16 Sie verstärkten gleichzeitig sein bereits früher gezeigtes Interesse an magnetischen Erscheinungen der Materie, das sich vor allen Dingen in der Tübinger und Münchner Zeit auch auf die physikalischen und technischen Eigenschaften ferromagnetischer Stoffe ausdehnte und einen wesentlichen Teil des Arbeitsprogrammes der GERLACHschen Schule ausmachte.

p68 Walter Gerlach, um 1928

Bereits in Frankfurt am Main erweiterte GERLACH stetig die Themen seiner experimentellen Untersuchungen. Zunächst erwarb er sich durch Lesen und Rezensieren von Originalarbeiten und Büchern und durch Schreiben zusammenfassender Berichte eine gründliche und umfangreiche Einsicht in die Fragestellungen der neuesten Forschung, vor allem der damals grundlegenden Atomphysik. Sodann verwendete er großes und ausdauerndes Geschick und außerordentliche Erfindungskraft, um möglichst einfache und wirksame Apparaturen zu bauen, die experimentelle Erscheinungen in reinster Form aufspüren konnten. Mit einer wachsenden Zahl von Schülern und Mitarbeitern erzielte er schöne Erfolge, bei Einzeluntersuchungen etwa mit ALICE GOLSEN (Messung des Strahlungsdruckes mit Radiometern 1923) und E. LEHRER (Messung der rotatorischen Brownschen Bewegung mit Hilfe der Drehwaage 1927). Ab 1922 nahmen Studien atomarer und molekularer Spektren einen wachsenden Anteil in GERLACHS Werk ein. Er schloß sich weniger der damals zahlreichen Gemeinde der Spektroskopiker an, die systematisch bekannte und unbekannte Spektren ausmaßen und ordneten, sondern suchte eher die Lücken zu erspähen, um selbst ergänzende Erkenntnisse zu liefern: so beschäftigte er sich mit dem "Elektronenaffinitätsspektrum des Jodatoms" (1923 mit FRITZ GROMANN) oder schlug eine "neue Methode zur direkten Messung des Intensitätsverhältnisses von Mehrfachlinien" (1924 mit O. BREZINA) vor. In den späten zwanziger Jahren schuf GERLACH zusammen mit seinem Schüler EUGEN SCHWEITZER Grundlagen und Methode der chemischen Spektralanalyse: mit ihr gelingt es durch geschickt ausgewählte praktische Schritte (Methode der "letzten Linien"), den quantitativen Nachweis chemischer Elemente zu führen. Die chemische Spektralanalyse erlangte auch in der biologischen und medizinischen Forschung Bedeutung, vor allem aber in der Materialkunde. GERLACH hat selbst den Weg dazu gewiesen durch zahlreiche und weitgestreute Veröffentlichungen, die sich weit in die dreißiger Jahre hineinziehen sowie durch ein dreiteiliges Werk, dessen einzelne Bände 1930, 1933 und 1936 herauskamen. Bei seiner großen Begeisterung für neue, ungewöhnliche experimentelle Verfahren kann es kaum verwundern, daß er auch bald nach der Entdeckung des Ramaneffektes, nämlich ab 1929, sich auch diese Methode aneignete und mehrfach zur Strukturaufklärung von Molekülen benützte.

Es erscheint bemerkenswert, daß sich der Schwerpunkt von GERLACHS Arbeiten nach 1925 zunehmend auf die Anwendung der im ersten Viertel dieses Jahrhunderts erreichten Erkenntnisse über die Struktur der Atome und der Materie verschob. Er nahm kaum mehr oder nur am Rande an der Erschließung der neuen Gebiete teil, wie der Kernphysik oder der kosmischen Strahlung, die ab 1930 als die vorderste Front der Physik galten. Das mag zum Teil an der notwendigen apparativen Ausstattung liegen, die widriger Umstände halber weder in seinem Tübinger noch im größeren Münchner Institut vorhanden war. Man kann aber auch vermuten, daß es an der Ausrichtung der Forschung in Deutschland lag, die zumal nach 1933 eine mehr pragmatische, auf nützliche Anwendung ausgerichtete Wendung nahm. Freilich müssen wir beachten, daß gerade GERLACH den Weg diese Richtung schon lange zuvor einschlug. Z. B. begann sein Interesse an den magnetischen Eigenschaften der Materie in den frühen zwanziger Jahren und verstärkte sich gegen ihr Ende - später richtete er besonderes Augenmerk auf die Temperaturabhängigkeit ferromagnetischer Größen sowie deren Zusammenhang mit elektrischen Eigenschaften. Auch die ersten Ansätze zur "quantitativen Spektralanalyse" gehen mindestens ins Jahr 1925 zurück. GERLACH sah einmal die Notwendigkeit, die grundlegenden Ergebnisse von Atom- und Quantenphysik in das gesamte physikalische Weltbild einzuführen, d. h. sie in allen physikalischen Erscheinungen aufzuspüren und fest zu etablieren. Andererseits reizte ihn gerade, die Auswertung fundamentaler Erkenntnisse zu untersuchen, so daß man sein Münchner Arbeitsprogramm geradezu als ein Ideal moderner Forschung in der angewandten Physik bezeichnen darf. Diese Entwicklung hat den Kollegen SOMMERFELD eigentlich ziemlich enttäuscht.
Physik, Politik und Gesellschaft

Gerade der große Theoretiker der Atome, ARNOLD SOMMERFELD, hatte den verdienstvollen experimentellen Erforscher der Atome, WALTHER GERLACH, auf den Münchner Lehrstuhl geholt. In den Anfangsjahren des Dritten Reiches schlossen sich beide eng zusammen, um den Angriffen auf die neue, als "jüdisch" verleumdete Physik zu widerstehen. Obwohl der sichtbare Erfolg keineswegs immer auf ihrer Seite stand, versuchten sie energisch die Qualität von Forschung und Lehre an ihrer Universität und darüber hinaus zu erhalten. 1943, während des Zweiten Weltkrieges, wurde GERLACH dann mit der Leitung der Fachsparte Physik im zentralen Reichsforschungsrat beauftragt, ab Januar 1944 war er in Berlin als "Bevollmächtigter für Kernphysik des Reichsmarschalls", d. h. von HERMANN GÖRING, für das geheime deutsche Uranprojekt zuständig; es strebte den Bau eines funktionierenden und Energie erzeugenden Kernreaktors an. Obwohl er sich vorher mit der dazugehörigen Kernphysik und -technik nie beschäftigt hatte, hat er diese Aufgabe mit von allen Mitarbeitern anerkanntem Erfolg wahrgenommen, gestützt auf seine Autorität als führender Experimentalphysiker und seine ungeheure Arbeitskraft, sein kompromißloses Eintreten für den Menschen und die Sache. Vor allem bemühte er sich dabei auch zusammen mit einigen anderen Repräsentanten der Physik in Deutschland (etwa CARL RAMSAUER, dem Präsidenten der Deutschen Physikalischen Gesellschaft), möglichst viele Kollegen vor sinnlosem Sterben an der Front zu bewahren. Er hat aber auch durchaus darunter gelitten, daß es den deutschen Uranforschern nicht gelang, einen kritischen Reaktor vor Kiegsende zu bekommen.

Am Ende des Krieges wurde GERLACH zusammen mit den führenden deutschen Atomforschern soweit sie vor allem am Uranprojekt beteiligt waren, nämlich ERICH BAGGE, KURT DIEBNER, OTTO HAHN, PAUL HARTECK, WERNER HEISENBERG, HORST KORSCHING, MAX VON LAUE, CARL FRIEDRICH VON WEIZSÄCKER und KARL WIRTZ, gefangengesetzt. In englischer Internierung (Farmhall bei Cambridge) wurden sie vom Abwurf der amerikanischen Atombomben auf Hiroshima und Nagasaki überrascht und schworen, sich nie selbst am Bau von Kernkraftwerken zu beteiligen. Zwölf Jahre später, im April 1957, haben sie diese Haltung in der "Erklärung der Göttinger 18" öffentlich bekräftigt und sich immer daran gehalten. Ebenso wie er Atomwaffen ablehnte, so hat GERLACH mit voller Überzeugung für die friedliche Nutzung der Kernenergie gesprochen. Dabei übersah er keineswegs die Gefahren einer Verseuchung der Natur und Umwelt durch vom Menschen erzeugte Radioaktivität, hatte er doch schon 1956 als sein letztes physikalisches Forschungsprogramm mit der fortlaufenden Messung und Analyse radioaktiver Niederschläge (erzeugt vor allen Dingen durch den Fallout von Kernwaffenversuchen) begonnen.

Große Anstrengungen und viel Zeit verwendete GERLACH nach dem Zweiten Weltkrieg auf den Wiederaufbau seiner Institute. Besonders seit seiner Rückkehr an die Universität München kämpfte er unnachgiebig und kraftvoll gegen alle Widerstände in Behörden und Ministerien. Drei entscheidende Jahre, von 1948 bis 1951, wurde er zum Rektor seiner Universität gewählt. Er hat damals wie auch später keine persönliche Konfrontation gescheut und nicht nur das eigene Physikalische Institut von Grund auf neugestaltet. Wissenschaft war für GERLACH eine absolute Macht, die ebenso der tiefsten Erkenntnis des Menschen wie dem Nutzen der Gesellschaft diente. Wer an ihr schäbig zu handeln wagte, den konnte neben Verachtung gelegentlich der sprühende Zorn des auch durch die große Gestalt Achtung einflößenden Altmeisters treffen.

Nach seiner Emeritierung hörte dieser Einsatz kaum auf. So stellte WERNER HEISENBERG, der mit ihm seit Jahrzehnten bekannt und befreundet war, anläßlich seines 75. Geburtstages fest:

"Ein Hauptteil seiner Arbeitskraft galt in den letzten Jahren den
Problemen der Forschungsförderung und der
Wissenschaftsorganisation, Fragen, mit denen er sich als Mitglied des
Präsidiums der Deutschen Forschungsgemeinschaft zu
beschäftigen hatte. Die Erfolge dieser Art von Arbeit sind nach
außen nicht so leicht zu sehen, aber sie spielen in der
Entwicklung der Wissenschaft im Deutschland der Nachkriegszeit eine
bedeutende Rolle, und die deutsche Wissenschaft hat Grund, ihm
dafür dankbar zu sein. Mit temperamentvollen Reden hat GERLACH in
die Debatte über die Bildungspolitik, über das
Verhältnis von Forschung und Lehre an den Hochschulen, über
Beziehungen zwischen Geisteswissen schaft und Naturwissenschaft
eingegriffen. Die Auswirkungen der naturwissenschaftlichen Forschung
im Getriebe der modernen Welt beschäftigten und beunruhigten ihn,
die Verantwortung des Forschers hinsichtlich der späteren
Anwendungen seiner Ergebnisse war für ihn ein Problem von
größtem Gewicht."^17

Man darf nur noch hinzufügen, daß GERLACH nie einen engen, nur der Naturwissenschaft oder gar der Physik allein dienenden Standpunkt einnahm.
Persönlichkeit und Wirkung

WALTHER GERLACH war ein universeller Experimentalphysiker, wie es ihn in einer zunehmend spezialisierten Wissenschaft nicht mehr geben kann und darf. Die Erscheinungen der Natur waren ihm heilig; um die richtigen Begriffe und die Einordnung hat er sich zeitlebens bemüht, während ihm detaillierte mathematische Spitzfindigkeiten fernerlagen. Seine wirkung als Lehrer beruhte nicht allein auf den Fragestellungen, die seine Schüer und Mitarbeiter ebenso wie er selbst untersuchten, er war auch der gegebene Gestalter der großen Physikvorlesung. Wie er vielen Hunderten von Studenten der Naturwissenschaft und Medizin, die in jeder Vorlesung saßen, die Naturerscheinungen in sorgfältig ausgewählten und vorbereiteten Demonstrationsversuchen anschaulich näherbrachte, mag nur noch von seinem Göttinger Kollegen ROBERT POHL erreicht, aber nicht übertroffen worden sein. GERLACH trug begeisternd in einer klaren, schönen und an GOETHE geschulten Sprache vor. Und wenn er gar über ihm besonders am Herzen liegende Erscheinungen und Ergebnisse und deren Finder - etwa die Keplerschen Planetengesetze oder die Newtonsche Optik - sprach, dann glaubte man, selbst am Eindringen in die tiefsten Geheimnisse der Natur beteiligt zu sein.

Seinen Studenten galt GERLACH zugleich als gütiger und persönlich wohlwollender, sachlich aber unnachsichtiger Lehrer. Sein mitunter explosives Grollen konnte eine unklare Darstellung im Seminar ebenso treffen wie die schlampige Handhabung von Apparaturen im Praktikum. Wen aber, wie den Unterzeichneten, als er am Ostermontag im Institut notwendige Routineuntersuchungen ausführte, der dankbar anerkennende Blick des gestrengen Instituchefs traf, der fühlte sich geadelt und zu unermüdlichem Dienst an der Aufklärung der Naturerscheinungen verpflichtet, so wie er es uns selbst in seinger ganzen, langen Laufbahn vorgelebt hatte.

WALTHER GERLACH wurde für seine Leistungen und Dienste vielfach geehrt, von akademischen wie von staatlichen Stellen. Er war Mitglied der Akademien der Wissenschaften in Göttingen, Halle und München sowie der Friedensklasse des Ordens Pour le Merite. Er nahm diese Ehrungen als Anerkennung für seine Wissenschaft und den sich um die Reinheit und Größe der Naturerkenntnisse bemühenden Forscher. Er kannte die Geschichte seines Faches und trug selbst zur Weitergabe ihrer Kenntnis bei; vor allem aber ist er in sie selbst als eine herausragende Persönlichkeit eingegangen.
Fußnoten
1 Einstein an Landé, 6 November 1924; wiedergegeben mit freundlicher Genehmigung des Deutschen Museums, München, und des Estate of Albert Einstein, New York, in Physikalische Blätter 35, 372, 1979
2 Gerlach, Eine Methode zur Bestimmung der Strahlung in absolutem Maß und die Konstante des Stefan-Boltzmannschen Strahlungsgesetzes, Annalen der Physik (4) 38, 1, 1912
3 Siehe z. B. Gerlach und Meyer, über den photoelektrischen Effekt an ultramikroskopischen Metallteilchen, Annalen der Physik (4) 45, 177, 1914; dieselben, über die Abhängigkeit der photoelektrischen Verzögerungszeit vom Gasdruck bei Metallteilchen ultramikroskopischer Größenordnung, ibid., 47, 227, 1915.
4 Gerlach, Experimentelle Untersuchungen über die absolute Messung und Größe der Konstante des Stefan Boltzmannschen Strahlungsgesetze (Habilitationsschrift, Universität Tübingen 1916).
5 Born an Einstein, 12. Februar 1921; abgedruckt in Albert Einstein, Max und Hedwig Born: Briefwechsel 1916 1955 (M Born, Hrsgb., Nymphenburger Verlagshandlung, München 1969), Seite 82.
6 Born: Mein Leben. Die Erinnerungen des Nobelpreisträgers (Nymphenburger Verlagshandlung, München 1975), Seite 26-5.
7 Zitat in Fußnote 6
8 Siehe den Bericht von Gerlach, Zur Entdeckung des Stern Gerlach-Effektes, Physikalische Blätter 25, 472, 1969. Eine Zusammenfassung findet man in Mehra und Rechenberg: The Historical Development of Quantum Theory (Springer-Verlag, New York, Heidelberg und Berlin 1982), Band 1 Kapitel IV 3, besonders Seiten 434-445.
9 Sommerfeld, Zur Quantentheorie der Spektrallinien, Annalen der Physik (4) 51, 1, 1916; besonders Seiten 29 und 32
10 Stern, Ein Weg zur experimentellen Prüfung der Richtungsquantelung im Magnetfeld, Zeitschrift für Physik 7, 249, 1921.
11 Schütz, Persönliche Erinnerungen an die Entdeckung des Stern-Gerlach Effektes, Physikalische Blätter 25, 343, 1969; besonders Seite 343
12 Zitat in Fußnote 11, Seiten 343,344
13 Gerlach und Stern, Der experimentelle Nachweis der Richtungsquantelung, Zeitschrift für Physik 9, 349, 1922; dieselben, Das magnetische Moment des Silberatoms, ibid. 9, 353, 1922.
14 Einstein an Born, ohne Datum, Zitat in Fußnote 5, Seite 102.
15 Einstein und Ehrenfest, Quantentheoretische Bemerkdngen zum Experiment von Stern und Gerlach, Zeitschrift für Physik 11, 31, 1922.
16 Siehe Gerlach, Experimentelle Forschungen über das Magneton, Physikalische Zeitschrift 26, 816, 1925.
Alle Literaturzitate von Walther Gerlach sind enthalten in der Bibliographie Walther Gerlach. Veröffentlichungen 1912-1979, bearbeitet von Nida Rümelin (Veröffentlichungen des Forschungsinstituts des Deutschen Museums für die Geschichte der Naturwissenschaften und der Technik, München 1982) Wir verweisen auf diese Zusammenstellung vor allem für die Zitate von Gerlachs Schriften. die wir nicht explizit angeben.
17 Heisenberg, Walther Gerlach zum 75 Geburtstag, Süddeutsche Zeitung, 31. Juli 1964

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Also some more Vril info:

http://www.mental-ray.de/Mental-Ray/VrilGeist/die3.htm

THE BEYOND AIR MACHINE

bearcow

13th June 2011, 17:04

if the bell did does lessen the mass could you then use magnets to push agenst the earths magnetic field to genetat lift.like 2 north poles of to magnets?or would the magnettic force be lessoned with the amount of mass loss.....

the stronger the magnetic field, the less the mass. you do not need to add extra magnets, the counter rotating drums and the serum they used as a form of quicksilver would do that.

from crouching tiger hidden dragon
http://www.filmcritic.com/assets_c/2010/02/Crouching-Tiger,-Hidden-Dragon-thumb-560xauto-23692.gif

the field the practitioner creates lowers their mass to such a extent that they can jump great distances with limited muscle force being applied. this is not straight up levitation, they are just so light that a little push goes a long way.

i posted this on another thread but it has relevance here as well

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_bFBkjuRs29s/TAxmE_n5bOI/AAAAAAAAAZI/3JQIiMUfZtw/s320/three-storms.jpg

from big trouble little china, the three storms

those hats look like bells, they are in the right place