The Truth Exposed by WellAware1.com?

[Maia Gabrial]

These videos are pretty interesting in that he shows how the same people that he calls actors are involved in other protests and scam news. I have to admit that some people are really good at detecting minute details. It's worth watching just to see if you can agree with what he's pointing out. Get your conspiracy juices flowing.... :becky:

Part 1:

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Part 2b flabbergasted me because it has something about Inelia that may or may not be true, but see what you think:

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Part 2c:

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[Calz]

This is wild. Only have had time to watch the first portion. Follow links for parts "b" and "c".

Has to do with actors who have been filmed in "events" ranging from 9/11 witnesses to Occupy protesters and even pretend cops at said "events".

This guy has put together some solid documentation showing us our "staged reality".

Adult content warning to whom it may concern - some nudity (topless woman being interviewed briefly).


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[Calz]

Holy smokes ... part "b" he states his case that the "Fort Hood Shooter" is an actor!!!

Makes some interesting connection with the seal team that (laughably allegedly) took out Bin Laden.

Have to watch and make up your own minds.

Interesting vids.

[Maia Gabrial]

I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....

[Calz]

I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....

Thanks Maia ... did not know that (I became aware due to distribution from James Gilliland email).

Just hit the portion regarding Inelia which seems more a stretch than most of the others. Unless he goes on to provide more proof than facial similarities (which he has provided for others) I have a bit of trouble with that one.

[DNA]

I'm watching this, and as much stuff as I've come across in my life, and as many paradigms I've had to take a hammer and chisel to, I am just having a hard time swallowing this.

[Calz]

I'm watching this, and as much stuff as I've come across in my life, and as many paradigms I've had to take a hammer and chisel to, I am just having a hard time swallowing this.

Getting tougher to swallow the further into them I go. The first vid seemed to have some tangible material.

[DNA]

I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....

It would be nice if we could find that. :)

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I'm watching this, and as much stuff as I've come across in my life, and as many paradigms I've had to take a hammer and chisel to, I am just having a hard time swallowing this.

Getting tougher to swallow the further into them I go. The first vid seemed to have some tangible material.

I'm having a hard time with some of the folks he states are the same people.
They don't really look that similiar.

[Ammit]

Sorry, but, I have a tendency to recognise people from the eyes and shapes around the face, it`s a gift I have I suppose, now, I am struggling to see the resemblance with a lot of the people claimed to be the same, one section has a brother of a lady spoken to at the pentagon. Look at film part 7.22. This is not the same person unless he has had his eyes removed and replaced with non dark ones.

I dont believe this at the moment.

Sorry

[Providence]

I too am very skeptical as I have watched other videos about 'actors' created by this person and I was not impressed. His comparisons of past and present actors do show some similarities, but far from convincing, IMHO. I don't know if this person is just misguided or has an agenda. My feelings are that he is a fly in the ointment, put there for a sinister reason, and I choose not to feed upon it...

[Elixer]

WellAware1.com (www.wellaware1.com)
First of all, I love this stuff. His idea is terrific and the efforts to back up his claims are often very compelling and convincing.
I'm sure Ed Chiarini will be reading this. Good job Ed.

Having said that, I hasten to add that I do not know how seriously to take this.
It could all be true, all be false, or anything in between. He could be good and right, or good and wrong, or just plain wrong.
This is not as important as the interestingness of his idea and his subsequent work, which, as far as scope, level of detail and sheer amount, is quite impressive and based on that alone, worthy of some interest.

What Ed is showing us, is that most of the news we get through both mainstream- and alternative media, is largely scripted, produced and in fact acted - performed by professional actors.
That might not be news to most, since we all know the media lie, but Ed takes this a few levels further.
He doesn't limit his critisicm to the MSM. He goes into the Alternative Media as well, as we shall see.
He attempts to prove that many characters we are shown through the media, presented to us as real people, are in fact part of a limited number of professional actors, some of whom play multiple roles.

This then is part of a program, very large in scope, to frame the mindset of humanity. The level of machination goes way way deeper than we already thought, with regards to the Propaganda Machine.

According to Ed, most of the actors we see, come from a single family, the Greenbergs. Another contingent comes from the Pima County Sheriff's Office. He focuses a lot on one guy in particular: Tony Greenberg.
If we are to believe Ed, Tony has played David de Rothchild, Anwar Al Alawki, a son of OBL and many many more people that are presented to us. Tony is very very good at his job. The way his appearance changes from character to character is incredible. That is, if we believe Ed.

In his latest releases, he comments on Project Avalon specifically. In this video at around 6:30 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_861577&src_vid=yxz1hpiWXY4&v=fzpIWqRR71k&feature=iv)
He tells you that Inelia Benz is in fact one of these impostors, just as Steven Greer, just as Clifford Stone, just as Carol Rosyn and many others, even Jordan Maxwell.
At this point many might dissmiss wellaware1's perspective because you love one of these people. Here on Avalon many support Inelia's message. Jordan Maxwell is beyond reproach. And so on.
Maybe Ed is full of it, we cannot be sure at this point. To dissmiss his idea however, based merely on your personal preference for certain people, might not be wise. You would be letting emotion and sentiment determine what is true for you. But we all know how easy it is to manipulate those. Even a crappy movie can move you and cause you to sympathize with certain characters.
Do some investigation into Ed's work before judging any of it. His claims sometimes seem baseless, but he will often revisit his earlier statements to back them up with proof.

What is important about any of the people, speaking on the circuit, is their ideas. Not they themselves. Embrace every fellow human as your brother and your sister, equally and lovingly, unconditionally.
Support and reject, apply judgement to ideas only, through your spiritual endorsement, so to speak. ...

I highly recommend you look at some of the dallasgoldbug videos on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/dallasgoldbug), check out Ed's site, wellaware1.com (www.wellaware1.com) and just take in his perspective at least. I think it might greatly assist in discerning truth from lies, fact from fiction, but what is more, it might teach you to not necessarily identify with any of the things we see, since none of it can be trusted, really.
He 'exposes' the imposters through facial recognition features, focusing especially on the ears, which he says are like a genetic marker, unique to each person.
It seems he has had some training in this field, knows all the terms and speaks quite matter-of-factly. He also appears quite 'wellaware' of how Hollywood productions are done.
Some of his cases are more compelling than others. There are a few that seem almost irrefutable.

It is said that only one real UFO needs to be identified in order for the entire ET phenomenon to be real. That goes for Chiarini's exposures as well. He tells you this himself. If you see one case that cannot be refuted, you'd have to admit that at least some aspect of the news media is scripted, acted and produced in this way, which to many will definitely make the deception go much deeper and further than they originally thought.

Regardless of whether it is true or not, I think it is a good use of anyone's time to look at this stuff.
He shows how the Gifford's shooting was in fact nothing but a drill and hence anything we hear about it is lies.
How the Columbine shooters might be the creators of 'South Park', Trey Parker and his buddy.
How much of the violence we see surrounding Occupy are mostly staged events, especially the incident on the NY bridge.
How this entire program seems to have come out of the Nazi propaganda machine and how there are specific and well known nazis currently involved with it.
etc.

As a funny counterpoint I'd like to entertain the notion that Ed Chiarini is part of the same Greenberg family he is exposing. He might in fact be Tony Greenberg himself.
Though I think the ears don't match, but then, that technique would be part of Tony's scam.
Or maybe Ed originally was part of this family or group, but was thrown out, hence his bitterness towards them. Or he was on the inside, saw what horrors they purpetrated on mankind and decided to leave and try and expose them.
Perhaps it is the Greenberg's vanity, their pride in this enourmous work they are performing, anonymously by necessity, that prompted them to have one of their own play the character of Ed Chiarini to do this type of 'exposure' and disclosure. He might have an inside-man pointing him to the relevant information. How else would you even find some of this stuff?
It is also possible, even plausible that wellaware1 is part of a larger psy-op to make us further distrust anything and everything, adding only to the confusion.
He might be on the level and truely finding these things.
Who knows, right?

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This is the first thread I started on Avalon, even though I've been around for a while. I don't know if I'll be guiding things along, as I seem to have the attention span of a goldfish, so I might get bored with what I now find fascinating, but let's see where it goes.

It could well be just another thread for the memory hole.
I'd like for it to get some attention though, as Ed's perspective I think, offers a valuable direction for our thinking: we should really turn away from these cults-of-personalities in any of their forms.
It is ego-gratification after all, causing the ego to only gain more prominence, which would be the wrong way for it to go. We need to support ideas, concepts, stories and so on, rather than people.
Bob Dean is a case in point because his personality is what is most important about him, more so than his information. We love this man and therefore trust him, we want to believe what he tells us.
The question whether we really can trust him, is almost taboo, can almost not be asked. All I'll say about him is that I too find him a lovely man and his stories are very interesting, but his extraordinary claims mostly lack evidence to back them up, as far as I know.

There are threads about con artists currently doing the rounds on Avalon. Personally I think, but cannot be sure, that George Kavassilas is one of those for instance, yet I like his story.
I don't believe much of what he's saying. He just sounds too emotionally manipulative, merely by varying his tone of voice.
Every time I hear him, he annoys me, yet afterwards I find myself thinking in terms of his concepts, which do help shed light on certain things, or add to our vocabulary and help better understand them.
I don't like him for his presentation, but I appreciate some of his ideas.
Listening to any interesting speaker, be they true or false, opens up vistas for my mind to visit that I had not thought of before. That is helpful.
"Disinformation is 80% truth". So that is what we'd need to do with any information: take those parts we like, or that spark our interest rather, and leave the rest. It sounds cliche by now, easier-said-than-done and it is.

In his latest video series (Truth Exposed 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxz1hpiWXY4&feature=relmfu)), Ed makes the point with the 'amazing rant' video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrrCcdKtQK4) of the young guy at OWS. The young guy, a member of the Greenbergs, says all the right things throughout his rant, causing listeners to be in agreement with him. At the end of his rant though, he tells you the true message, according to Ed, which in this case is to limit Presidential power and increase decentralized power, Governors, Mayors and so on. The reason for this, says Ed, is that it is easier to put corrupt people in those 'lesser' positions of power, making it easier to gain more and more control.
See, the rant guy gets you to go along with him, to then drop the 'bombshell' on you that you might not otherwise be in agreement with, but because of the context and the mindset that has been framed, you do now go along with. A form of mind control ('extended consent'?) and that is what this whole thing is about of course, purposely framing the mindset of humanity.

The important thing is to look at these larger packages of information and select packets from within them, to spiritually, intellectually, emotionally endorse. Don't buy the box, buy selective items from within the box.
Don't endorse the amazing-rant-guy, endorse some of what he is saying.
It was stated quite well in one of the recent Fulford threads here on PA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35342--Ben-Fulford--Rothschild-Rep.-Leaves-Japan-Empty-Handed-makes-Threats..-&p=362159&viewfull=1#post362159). The thing to do is to take beautiful ideas of people, Fulford in this case, and regardless of whether the person is truthful or not, create a space in our hearts, our minds and infuse the idea with our personal intent. All these incidental, individual endorsements are what might ultimately determine the fate of mankind and help shape our future reality. Or not.


Anyway, I wanted to post this due to the explicit 'accusations' leveled against 'Avalonians'. Like I said, I expect this thread to receive heavy critisism, also and especially because in one of Ed's earlier videos I think he shows Bill Ryan to be one of the imposters as well. But considering Bill's earlier endorsement of the Inelia material, that might then not be too great a leap to make, within this context. That's going too far?
Like I said, take packets from within the box. Don't dissmiss the entire box because of one particular item within it.

Fascinating.

(Ed, if you're still reading this... might I suggest you make your videos a little faster-paced for easier consumption and, if need be, repeat sequences of photos where now you have a blank screen in the videos. Black screens no good. Also some post production on your voice-over wouldn't hurt. Take out some pauses, cut some parts and so on. I should heed my own advice and make shorter posts on forums and blogs. I know how tempting it is to just ramble on.)

[Elixer]

That's funny. I just started a thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35622-Ed-Chiarini-Wellaware1-exposes-many.-How-good-is-this&p=364953#post364953) about this very same thing...

[aranuk]

Hi Elixer which video to watch first?

Stan

[Elixer]

You could start with this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxz1hpiWXY4&feature=relmfu
It's a series of four videos. In part B he goes into the Inelia and other alternative icons thing.

Or check this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35617-The-Truth-Exposed-by-WellAware1.com) which has these videos embedded.
[@Mods: perhaps these threads should be merged?]

But once you get started, you might need or want to check into more of it in order to make up your mind.

[ghostrider]

we do live in a matrix, everything is an illusion. the gifford shooting was a staged event the real target was the judge, and no one speaks of him only the congresswoman. everything on tv is lights camera action. it's all staged to control, and sell us products, and steer our minds to a certain belief system.. it really is a prison built for your mind.

[passiglight]

Funnier still is the fact that this thread has been on here for over 4 hours and the implications contained within the op are more than quite damming for not only avalon but the majority of the "conspiracy" forums out there,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

and whats more this is something i have been saying on here for a while now,,,,,,,,

and it's the work of the ascended crew ,,,,,

truly cosmic,,,,,,,,,,,,the lid is off the dustbin,and it smells a bit funny round here,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[NewFounderHome]

I did see also the Inelia part also and I’m starting to ask myself some other questions also???

The first question would be. Was Bill had by an actor or a family of actors?

[Maia Gabrial]

Well, we can argue about who started it first, but the point is that all of us thought this was worth sharing with everyone.
Like minds think alike. Chalk it up to not seeing if it was posted already....

[NewFounderHome]

Take a look at the Inelia section. That did prompt me some questions like was bill had by an actors or/and a family of manipulators, actors.

[seko]

I don;t think Inelia is that person in that video.....is just not her, may be many of the others are, but not Inelia.

[jorr lundstrom]

The first video was interesting, then it gets very weird. To state that inelia

and that woman is the same is just too far out. And I dont think Obama,

Khadaffi and Bin Laden are the same person even if the amount of cheeks

fit. LOL

[Cartomancer]

This type of thing is possible but probably not on the scale the maker of the video is saying. I've watched several of his videos and you guys are right. There is something not right about all of it. This guy is saying Benjamin Fulford is one of the actors from Arizona also.

[sunnyrap]

We've known that reality shows have been faked for at least 10 years. With all the major media outlets being owned by the manipulators, what's hard to believe, here? They plot and plan and leave little to nothing to chance. Due to my own career, I have excellent facial recognition skills. Very few of his examples looked even questionable to me. What contributes heavily to making the manipulation of the public easy is vocal members of the 'public' expressing their disbelief in it.

[christian]

I'm currently watching part a and a lot of times, where he says, that certain people are one and the same person at different occasions don't seem plausible to me.

At 7:24 he puts a foto of this "Greenberg" guy or whatever his name was next to a photo of David de Rothshild, implying both pictures show the same person!

I'll finish part a at least nevertheless, I wonder, if he comes up with something more conclusive.

update:
Now the video analysis of the apparently staged situations at the protest are really impressive. A very good reminder to be cautious with any surfacing material.

[Mandala]

I don;t think Inelia is that person in that video.....is just not her, may be many of the others are, but not Inelia..

I can see similarities in some pictures, but not in the Inelia example. He seems to be pushing a lot of angles I don't see at all.

[aranuk]

I think I've seen enough. The part where it showed Inelia being interviewed by Bill comparing Inelia to some actress was a load of crap. She looked nothing like Inelia. Inelia has eyes which are quite far apart and the actress Tony claimed was the same person had eyes that were normally positioned. Other comparisons he made were shear fantasy. I do not trust his work. Maybe there is some truth in what he says but this tactic has been used for centuries. A truth sandwich with the lie filler in between.
Codswallop IMHO.

Stan

[geoff]

Wow, those videos are interesting, and I never thought that I would be saying that. Some of the likenesses are very convincing and others not so, unless the 'actors' had dramatic plastic surgery. The comparisons for Inelia Benz are quite ridiculous. To add my pennies worth, speaking as an artist who has done lots of portraits, I would say that peoples faces are more similar than you might imagine, usually it is little touch's like hairstyle , shape of the eyebrows, small lines on the face even clothes that define a persons character; much more than people assume. Of course that also makes it easier for people to appear different. I was in two minds about Inelia Benz, as I am about most public figures, and it is probably wise to be so; but today I tried one of her meditation exercises on http://ascension101.com and it was very strong; it left me feeling completely high. So for now I like her; better than that fake George Kavassilas. Now I am intrigued and will definitely watch some more of these videos and get my daughters opinion, she's more earthed than me

[Ria]

It is all mad mad mad, this is certainly taxing for the average person to even conceive, that their are people willing to do this.
Most of the evidence speaks for its self.

[Ammit]

In part 2a, at 10.26, there is a pic of two men who is said to be the same person, nope, if you look at the guy with the beard, he has a small mole under his left and right nostril, he also has some sort of mole or dot on his left eye brow as you look at him, also the pic on the left has less hair under his nose then on the right. The guy on the left grows a gappy mustache and the one on the right has a straight across mustache,, I dont believe they are the same person.

[sunnyrap]

This guy's perspective is far from unique. A bit of poking about the net reveals he isn't the only one exposing this practice and posting examples of it:
(Google search gives 27 MILLION results)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OwbYjxTHSA
LIBYA UN Used Fake Media Reports: 1Killing Of Protesters 2Bombing Tripoli 3African Mercenaries 2/3
VexZeed 205 videos Subscribe

http://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/NFNPDFExt6.pdf




Major Media Liars Report Fake NATO Victories
By Stephen Lendman
10-13-11

On October 9, BBC claimed National Transitional Council (NTC) forces "made significant gains in the battle for the city of Sirte. (NTC) commanders said they had captured the main hospital, the university and the Ouagadougou conference center."
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909160023


Keep Local TV Newscasts Free of Hidden Corporate Propaganda

Free Press and the Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) have revealed that corporate propaganda continues to infiltrate local television news across the country.

Stations are slipping corporate-sponsored "video news releases" or VNRs — promotional segments designed to look like objective news reports — into their regular news programming. This deception is illegal under FCC rules.

A series of CMD investigations have caught 113 local stations airing VNRs without proper disclosure. Free Press and CMD have filed complaints with the FCC, urging the agency to take action against all stations that have violated sponsorship identification rules. So far, the FCC has fined only one cable channel for airing fake news.

[Elixer]

If you accept Chiarini's perspective, the obvious mismatches, faces that do not look alike at all, could well have been done through different camera angles, lighting and even special lenses, creating a hall of mirrors effects, because these alledged impostors would appear in heavily scripted and choreographed productions.
You would need to look at the technical comparisons to really decide what is what and who is who.

[Snowbird]

The Inelia scene in part 'b' is a real stretch. When Inelia talks, she has a very pronounced way of moving her mouth, not to mention her accent. Inelia's teeth are also completely different from that other woman.

I'm not buying this particular accusation. :nono:

[Cartomancer]

Boy I watched some of the videos again and this is plausible. It is too easy to do. Right in our face. Wow. Even if his analysis isn't 100% correct this is mind blowing. I keep saying this from just researching and trying to market my book. If you don't cop to certain UFO and Martian theories no one wants anything to do with you. It is like a ritual you have to go through so the general public will think of you as a whack job. The truth is stranger than any of the things that are being sold to us as such.

This is upsetting if true. This guy is even calling into question this forum and the people who run it. This could get ugly and undermine the work of many powerful people if true. Have we all been punked to this degree? Disturbing.

[Kimberley]

We've known that reality shows have been faked for at least 10 years. With all the major media outlets being owned by the manipulators, what's hard to believe, here? They plot and plan and leave little to nothing to chance. Due to my own career, I have excellent facial recognition skills. Very few of his examples looked even questionable to me. What contributes heavily to making the manipulation of the public easy is vocal members of the 'public' expressing their disbelief in it.

Sunny and all I have been watching Ed's videos for several weeks now... I agree with some of the people he compares but maybe only 35% and I am sure many of you will agree with me because in one of his latest video's, he comments on Project Avalon specifically. In this below video at around 6:30 minutes
He tells you that Inelia Benz is in fact one of these impostors...

.......I for one KNOW that NO way is Inelia playing a roll....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzpIWqRR71k
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and by the way there is another tread on this topic with come good posts..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35622-Ed-Chiarini-Wellaware1-exposes-many.-How-good-is-this

[Elixer]

And even another: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35617-The-Truth-Exposed-by-WellAware1.com

One of his videos 'exposes' Bill Ryan as well. If you find it, please post it. He hasn't provided any proof for it (yet?), so not to worry...;-)

[aranuk]

I think I've seen enough. The part where it showed Inelia being interviewed by Bill comparing Inelia to some actress was a load of crap. She looked nothing like Inelia. Inelia has eyes which are quite far apart and the actress Tony claimed was the same person had eyes that were normally positioned. Other comparisons he made were shear fantasy. I do not trust his work. Maybe there is some truth in what he says but this tactic has been used for centuries. A truth sandwich with the lie filler in between.
Codswallop IMHO.

Stan

[M6*]

Hi Calz!
This is a real eye-opener! The truth is not always pretty....but if we don't know what it is.... we are nothing more than drifters in the sands of time.
Glad there is someone like you in my neck of the woods with eyes wide open. Thanks for the post M6*

[Ultima Thule]

Having checked out only the bit about Inelia Benz, I cannot see a way how one could perceive the women depicted to be the same person. IMO it´s not even a close match, not even in the neighboring ballpark i would say.

Juha

Add: the context about "one hit being enough" I don´t personally entertain in this case. For me one case of outright false conclusion undermines the whole thing. I would be more inclined to listen to one well researched and authenticated case, i.e. I prefer quality over quantity and not the other way around, as this is a narrowed down theory, coming from one source and not a plethora of information coming from all over the world, as is the case with the ufo cases.

[Moemers]

Devil's Advocate:

If the government has technology capable of Time Travel and Cloning Grey Aliens to use in MILABs etc etc., is it really that far of a stretch to assume that they have technology enough to change people's appearances drastically?

[Cartomancer]

We've known that reality shows have been faked for at least 10 years. With all the major media outlets being owned by the manipulators, what's hard to believe, here? They plot and plan and leave little to nothing to chance. Due to my own career, I have excellent facial recognition skills. Very few of his examples looked even questionable to me. What contributes heavily to making the manipulation of the public easy is vocal members of the 'public' expressing their disbelief in it.

Sunny and all I have been watching Ed's videos for several weeks now... I agree with some of the people he compares but maybe only 35% and I am sure many of you will agree with me because in one of his latest video's, he comments on Project Avalon specifically. In this below video at around 6:30 minutes
He tells you that Inelia Benz is in fact one of these impostors...

.......I for one KNOW that NO way is Inelia playing a roll....

and by the way there is another tread on this topic with come good posts..

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35622-Ed-Chiarini-Wellaware1-exposes-many.-How-good-is-this

Please watch this video and how it relates to what this guy is saying about the Bin Laden and Seal team six killings. The Gifford's shooting, JFK assassination, Lincoln assassination, Columbine massacre, and Virginia Tech Shootings all have attributes like this.

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[Ilie Pandia]

Hello,

A few words first. Facial recognition is not perfect. And you cannot say you recognize some one just by looking at their face or their ears. (Yes, you can instantly spot your friends as your brains are attuned to that, but that's about it). Even software face recognition has its limits.

Also, for public personas, the list of Facebook friends says absolutely nothing. In fact in my view the "facebook friend" is a fake concept. Those people may have never meat each other, and they use those pages for promotions, "Likes", spreading their message and what not.

Some of the photos I've seen in the above video are absolutely ridiculous. (look at their ears... right!)

I have no meaning to prove this to anybody but I myself am convinced that:

- Bill Ryan is not an actor
- Inelia Benz is not an actor
- Stephen Greer is not an actor

The creator of those video, should also do some background checks before posting such claims.


Part 2b flabbergasted me because it has something about Inelia that may or may not be true, but see what you think:

May or may not be true? Really... did you look at the pictures and you still think that this "may be true"?

[Vitalux]

WOW

talk about throwing a curve ball into reality.

awesome.....makes me now question everything on that idiot box

[Ilie Pandia]

I've merged three threads about this into one. Please do some searches before posting.

Also added a "?" after the thread title, since I am not very sure after what I saw that WellAware1 exposes the truth.

[Cartomancer]

Here's my video about ritual killings on Ley Lines. It also jives with a few things wellaware is saying. The Tucson killings took place at grid designation township 13S Range 13E in the "area of 13" of Thomas Jefferson's township grid.

_HZnELNiF-o

[Lord Sidious]

Well, I am confident that the woman with the big ............oops, the topless woman, yeah, that's what I was gonna say :sorry:, is not Inelia.
They are similar, but even that is a stretch.
A lot of the others are possible, maybe even likely.

[000]

Hello,

A few words first. Facial recognition is not perfect. And you cannot say you recognize some one just by looking at their face or their ears. (Yes, you can instantly spot your friends as your brains are attuned to that, but that's about it). Even software face recognition has its limits.

Also, for public personas, the list of Facebook friends says absolutely nothing. In fact in my view the "facebook friend" is a fake concept. Those people may have never meat each other, and they use those pages for promotions, "Likes", spreading their message and what not.

Some of the photos I've seen in the above video are absolutely ridiculous. (look at their ears... right!)

I have no meaning to prove this to anybody but I myself am convinced that:

- Bill Ryan is not an actor
- Inelia Benz is not an actor
- Stephen Greer is not an actor

The creator of those video, should also do some background checks before posting such claims.


Part 2b flabbergasted me because it has something about Inelia that may or may not be true, but see what you think:May or may not be true? Really... did you look at the pictures and you still think that this "may be true"?

Absolutely agreed. I have seen some other videos this man had put together and his method of facial recognition is not sound. He is ignoring two very important factors. One is the bone structure of the face and the other is the voice. A voice cannot be faked, period. It can be covered up, but the same textures and resonances will still be within a voice which has been 'covered' with an accent. I work with sound for a living and there is no way that any of the female voices in part B are a match. Indeed there may be actors in public, but not to the degree that this guy is claiming it to be. He needs to be a lot more careful and diligent with his analysis if he wants people to take him seriously otherwise he will come off as paranoid.

I for one find it impossible to take him seriously, because the 'energy signatures' of many of the beings in these videos, and their voices, just do not match at all. I'm not sure what this guy is up to, but once he starts to put people like Inelia and Steven Greer in the bin mixed up with various protesters, bankers, etc... it just smells of high suspicion. When he begins to go after military/black program witnesses especially, who are who they say they are, that is where I feel it to be extremely off-key. I would not trust this man's analysis skills because it appears he is grasping at straws, which makes the chances he is correct 50/50 each time. His methods are not sound.

[Ilie Pandia]

I am not saying that none of those presented are in fact actors. But "Ed" makes ridiculous claims.

And while I agree with the idea (that actors may be used) his videos slanders some good people. And for those that think my "sentiments and emotions" get in the way here, what would you have me do? Be silent while those outrageous claims get copied over and over on the Internet.

Frankly I am quite surprised some of the videos have been posted here on Avalon (because they may be true...).


He 'exposes' the imposters through facial recognition features, focusing especially on the ears, which he says are like a genetic marker, unique to each person.
It seems he has had some training in this field, knows all the terms and speaks quite matter-of-factly. He also appears quite 'wellaware' of how Hollywood productions are done.
Some of his cases are more compelling than others. There are a few that seem almost irrefutable.

If the ears are the genetic marker why do they take your finer prints and dental print :)? Why not take a photo of your ears.... as to training in this field, I am not convinced. While some (extremely few) cases seem almost irrefutable some are plain ridiculous.

So what is this... throw some mud at lots of people and you'd sure hit some? This is not helping.

[Elixer]

I enjoy his work, mainly because the idea is so good, not whether everything he claims is actually true or not.
I think his reference to Inelia might have been done mainly to get the attention of Avalon, which obviously he has succeeded in, seeing there were 3 threads started about it today.
He has yet to deliver any proof of this, as well as his claim that Bill is in on it.
The Steven Greer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZIEoZnPR0) though, I must say, is very compelling. Not only because Greer is such a dubious character in my opinion, but due to the exactly matching wrinkles next to his eyes.

Also, in the context of scripted realities, I'd highly recommend watching the movies 'The Joneses' and an older one, 'Wag the Dog'.

[Corncrake]

This reminds me of the 'Giffords shooting totally exposed...' thread started during the summer. It doesn't work for me though if I had more time I would be interested to try and investigate what he is all about ... as it is IMHO there are more important threads to follow here.

[Ilie Pandia]

I enjoy his work, mainly because the idea is so good, not whether everything he claims is actually true or not.
I think his reference to Inelia might have been done mainly to get the attention of Avalon, which obviously he has succeeded in, seeing there were 3 threads started about it today.
He has yet to deliver any proof of this, as well as his claim that Bill is in on it.
The Steven Greer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZIEoZnPR0) though, I must say, is very compelling. Not only because Greer is such a dubious character in my opinion, but due to the exactly matching wrinkles next to his eyes.

Also, in the context of scripted realities, I'd highly recommend watching the movies 'The Joneses' and an older one, 'Wag the Dog'.

I am sorry but this is not an excuse to attack people with baseless claims only to drive traffic to your website.

If you have theory that you think is true, do proper research. Otherwise we might think you are paid to fabricate this stuff :)

[modwiz]

These videos and their exposes are a good example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. I made it to the 7:37 mark of video two. Didn't watch #1. I will pass on the rest. Point about staged news well taken though.

[beyondmyctrl]

the bit about Inelia is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen on here.... and I've seen a lot of ridiculous things on here :) Frankly, this is why I don't come on Project Avalon that often anymore..... I miss the good ol' days when Bill and Kerry worked together....sigh...

[Lord Sidious]

I enjoy his work, mainly because the idea is so good, not whether everything he claims is actually true or not.
I think his reference to Inelia might have been done mainly to get the attention of Avalon, which obviously he has succeeded in, seeing there were 3 threads started about it today.
He has yet to deliver any proof of this, as well as his claim that Bill is in on it.
The Steven Greer one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtZIEoZnPR0) though, I must say, is very compelling. Not only because Greer is such a dubious character in my opinion, but due to the exactly matching wrinkles next to his eyes.

Also, in the context of scripted realities, I'd highly recommend watching the movies 'The Joneses' and an older one, 'Wag the Dog'.

I am sorry but this is not an excuse to attack people with baseless claims only to drive traffic to your website.

If you have theory that you think is true, do proper research. Otherwise we might think you are paid to fabricate this stuff :)

Why do you react like that Ilie?
Why does it have to be an attack?
There are many actors running around in these times, I am one.
Not in the way he means, but I don't take what he says as an attack on any of the people.

[Little Ishta]

LOL I watched the videos and not all are the same people. Seems this guy has to do some more research on the peeps he claims to be the same. Sure there are a few of them that are the same but some of the others are far fetched. I wonder... is he an instigator? Had a laugh about Lady GaGa though :rolleyes: Oh another thing... at the end he asks for donations... seems he wants money just like everyone else.

[Ilie Pandia]

Lord Sid,

I am 100% sure that you would not be so "cool" if your friends or dear ones where in those videos...

I am upset because I had thought Avalon is better that this. I had hoped that we do our due research before copy pasting stuff from Youtube that is obviously not true!

Mr. "Ed" should have presented his ideas in a more professional manner. I ask again.. what would you have me do? Turn a blind eye?

[modwiz]

Well, I am confident that the woman with the big ............oops, the topless woman, yeah, that's what I was gonna say :sorry:, is not Inelia.
They are similar, but even that is a stretch.
A lot of the others are possible, maybe even likely.

I agree with you LS, the topless woman is not Inelia.:no: My little head agrees as well. :heh::tape2:

[Lord Sidious]

Lord Sid,

I am 100% sure that you would not be so "cool" if your friends or dear ones where in those videos...

I am upset because I had thought Avalon is better that this. I had hoped that we do our due research before copy pasting stuff from Youtube that is obviously not true!

Mr. "Ed" should have presented his ideas in a more professional manner. I ask again.. what would you have me do? Turn a blind eye?

Ilie, you need to learn to detach.
You aren't in a role where you can allow emotion to make your decisions, or you will get us all into trouble.
The thing is, some people posted a few videos for us to review.
Big deal, build a fence, get over it.
Some of it appears far fetched, some appears possible and some appears true.
Like most videos posted on Avalon.
And yes, I would have you ''turn a blind eye'' until someone breaks the rules.
You can't make up the rules as it suits, nor can you massage them to suit.
If it were my loved ones and they were slandered, I would sort it out.
I don't see much in the way of slander in the two videos I saw.
Anyways, calm down Ilie, getting wound up over it isn't good for your health.
And no, I am not being facetious, I am serious. Posts on the net like this aren't worth raising your blood pressure over.

[modwiz]

LOL I watched the videos and not all are the same people. Seems this guy has to do some more research on the peeps he claims to be the same. Sure there are a few of them that are the same but some of the others are far fetched. I wonder... is he an instigator? Had a laugh about Lady GaGa though :rolleyes: Oh another thing... at the end he asks for donations... seems he wants money just like everyone else.

I have met people like this guy. I call them lost in their own world. They fire the equivalent of buckshot so they are liable to hit something. Alot of people are viewing this thread. Not sure that is a good thing. Especially with awareness as a theme here.

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I don;t think Inelia is that person in that video.....is just not her, may be many of the others are, but not Inelia.

Such a poor observation, borders on hallucination.. Somebody been drinkin' dingleberry jiuce.

[aranuk]

These videos and their exposes are a good example of a little knowledge being a dangerous thing. I made it to the 7:37 mark of video two. Didn't watch #1. I will pass on the rest. Point about staged news well taken though.

Hi Modwiz I remember recently the BBC news had thousands of so called anti Gadhaffi demonstrators in the centre of Tripoli waving lots of Indian flags. It was a scene in India that the BBC used to convince us that there were thousands of ant gadhaffi supporters. The BBC must think the British public are stupid.

Stan

[passiglight]

i am so digging this,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

excellent thread and posts,,,,,,,,,

Excellent and thought provoking stuff especially by elixir,,,,,

No body is above question,,,,,,,,,,,and it's every bodies moral duty to question what they view as their peers,,,,,,,,,

And absolutely of course this stuff is happening to us all on a daily basis,,,,,,,,,,

the media are just doing their work,their propaganda, and they always want it to look good,on every level all the time,,,,,,,,,

it's the mechanics of the control system,,,,,,,,,

what blows my mind is that it takes something like this to open peoples minds to it,,,,,,,,,,,

you guys should allready be at this level of awareness,,,,,,,,,,,you need to be able to see this and just say ,yeah whatever,been there seen it done it,,,,,,,,

for me it's a far better solution to completely dis engage from this slave system of control,,,,,,,,,,,,

the more you just remove yourself from paying taxes and utilities the less money you are putting into the system,,,,,,,,,,

get pro-active but not on their stage,the propaganda news crap,,,,,do it quietly, and just turn away from the system,,,,,,

if enough just did that,this show would be over in less than 12 months,,,,,,,,,

instead we see so many going,,ooooOOOOoooo AAAHHHHH,,,,,,,

witnessing the machinations of a system that is just completely corrupted and highly toxic.

Get real,,,,,,,,,,,,,OF COURSE THEY DO THIS ,,,,,,ALL THE TIME,,,,,,,,

it matters not who the actors are ,,,,,,,,,they can only play on a stage if you view them,,,,,,,,,otherwise they are performing to an empty house.......

turn your back on all this media circus propaganda and just do what we are supposed to be doing,,,,,,,,staying in touch with earth and source whoose plasma energy we all swim in,,,,,,,,

rant over ,sorry,,,,

[jorr lundstrom]

Well, question is : Is this Luke in a new role?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY_A1500sI4

[ThePythonicCow]

You can't make up the rules as it suits, nor can you massage them to suit.

Lord Sidious,

You are inferring that Ilie made up some rules here.

He did not. He took no actions against any member here. Period.

Please remove your stiletto from Ilie's ribs.

Admins and mods can express their views here just as well as any other member can.

Thanks.

[Lord Sidious]

You can't make up the rules as it suits, nor can you massage them to suit.

Lord Sidious,

You are inferring that Ilie made up some rules here.

He did not. He took no actions against any member here. Period.

Please remove your stiletto from Ilie's ribs.

Admins and mods can express their views here just as well as any other member can.

Thanks.

No, I am not.
I am saying that you guys can't do that.
You should know me by now, if I have something to say to you, I will say it, I won't infer it.
And I am not attacking him.
This is part of the problem with some staff, any form of criticism is taken as an attack.
Well, guess what?
It may be, it may not be, but as adults, it would be good to figure out which way it is first.
And yes, they can express their views, but Ilie was suggesting more than just putting his views up.
And for your information, I have had issues in the past with some of you spreading bull**** to people about things I never said.
So don't start preaching holier than thou to me.
Ok?

And, for the information of everyone here, it so happens that I like Ilie.
I dare anyone to find info where I have said otherwise.

[Kamikaze]

delete it all.

[Elixer]

People saying it is definitely not her etc, might need to look a little deeper. Chiarini says that a lot of the work is done in post production, especially with voices.
Keep in mind also, that if this perspective is true, that all the videos featuring these possible imposters, would have been produced, choreographed, scripted, manufactured.
They make sure the same actor looks significantly different for each of the characters he/she plays, through disguises, as well as post production editting.

He doesn't spend much time on the Inelia item, so at this point it really is quite a baseless accusation. But like I said, he often follows up with more compelling evidence.

I do agree that he accuses a lot of people we think of as Good, throwing babies out with the bathwater.
He incidentally accuses Luke Rudowski as well, since he was mentioned here.
So, Ed might need to be a little more throrough and careful perhaps, before making accusations.
As I stated, he could be a paid disinfo agent or something. He could be part of the very thing he appears to be trying to expose. He might be Tony Greenberg himself ;)

But the fact that he points the finger at 'loved ones' should not be the reason to think he is a fraud. And no, it doesn't mean you cannot speak up about it either. I am not asking anyone to be silent.
But there doesn't need to be this animosity either. These total dissmissals are unnecessary, IMO.

I also agree with the idea that Ed might be caught up in his own conspiracy. He is quite possibly obsessed, which may cause him to see things where there are none.
He sees Tony Greenberg everywhere, which becomes quite funny when you watch a few of his videos.

The fact is, we live in a Disinformation age. Nobody is really sure whom they can trust and there are many disagreements in this area.
It seems that recently though these questions have been brought to a higher level on PA, with the con artist threads etc.
We could really use some hardcore technical stuff to help us wade through this jungle of (dis)information.
Ed might be helpful in this area, once he steps up his game a little, or once we include him in our midst;).

And I think especially with awareness as the theme, this type of topic is very good and helpful.
Because, as I mentioned, this confusion might cause us to start supporting ideas, rather than people and that would be a good thing.
It might help us take in information without necessarily identifying with it, which I also think is crucial.
And so on.

[jp11]

I'm sure everyone reading this is aware of Mission Impossible, etc. (I'm also referring to the original TV show). Disguise is an amazing thing. And then there is also similar body types and faces. How many times have you been asked if you are so and so, etc? For me many, many, many times.

While I haven't watched any of the videos but the one with Inelia, I think what this does is get our attention. Again, I'm sure you're aware of the supposed moon mission tapes, done with a green screen. What's the truth?

Elixer
As I stated, he could be a paid disinfo agent or something. He could be part of the very thing he appears to be trying to expose. He might be Tony Greenberg himself

I think it's just common sense and certainly wise to be on the lookout for mis and disinformation. I think this Ed may be a patsy, being set up by tptw, to not only get our attention (the Avalon forum) but plant doubt in some of the theories presented here and else where.

Elixer
The fact is, we live in a Disinformation age. Nobody is really sure whom they can trust and there are many disagreements in this area.
It seems that recently though these questions have been brought to a higher level on PA, with the con artist threads etc.

And if this is all by design to get us in this community to begin (or is it continue) to be in not only disagreement with one another but infighting as it were, do we really want to succumb to that?

Discussion is a good thing; different points of view can be an advantage if one can take the information to stretch one's awareness rather than inserting the ego and the need to defend one's point of view as being "who I am."

We are so much more than our egos...and tptw are freaking out because they know we know that!
:nod:

[Kimberley]

The Ed videos have been being discussed in many different places on the internet such as among my facebook friends and read the youtube comments on the videos themselves (youtube is a social network too).

As I stated earlier I think a few of the things that Ed has posted are convincing although most of them are not even close to convincing ...case in point Inelia...that one cracks me up :)... And I bet it will have her laughing too. Hey I look at the good side of things... I bet there are people that have viewed Ed's videos that never have heard of Inelia...

I think the most important benefit of Ed's videos is the reminder to trust no one and to be reminded to be skeptical about everything question everything. The only thing we/you can trust is your own inner knowing.

Ed's point about lighting and make up is truth ... and of course there are actors making false "news"... For example I know that actors are showing up at #Occupy locations being paid to cause trouble...

I am not sure where the arguing energy that has shown up on this thread came from...??? When I first saw some of Ed's videos I had an ah ha moment...however I too think Ed is a bit obsessed with his new found game... I believe he believes in his investigation... I think he is very silly on many, many of his comparisons... If nothing else the Ed videos are entertaining...

Anyway I found a video several days ago that I feel is a good one to post in this thread (it may have been posted somewhere else, but for those that have not seen this that are following this thread it is a great expose on how so much of mainstream "news" is being reported by a bunch of puppets that are parrots....) In the biz we call it rip and read news...

This video is less than 3 minutes... Much Love to us all!! :luv:

GME5nq_oSR4

[cloud9]

I have seen some of his videos before and I always wondered if people would believe this BS.

All human beings have 2 eyes, one nose and one mouth so that makes us somehow alike. This guy takes 2 blond women and regarding the differences in their voices, bone structure, hair line, even age he want us to believe they are the same person.

I couldn't help but to laugh a lot, Camille Grammer is the same person as Inelia Benz and the other lady with black hair and dark eyes? Just between Camille and Inelia there's at least a foot difference in height!!! What's even worst, they don't look alike at all!

I saw several videos and all I can say is this person has a mental or eye problem, a big one!

There were several comparisons he made that are just... well, he thinks 2 different men are the same person just because the 2 of them are bald! And the Steven Greer one? Laughable! As all the rest.

[GCS1103]

I would like to comment on only one aspect of these videos, as it pertains to Inelia. I have met Inelia in person, spoke to her and stood next to her when we were in Ecuador. I have also sat next to Camille Grammer in Nobu, a restaurant in Malibu, Ca., when she was still married to Kelsey Grammer. We both got up at the same time when we finished our dinner. There is NO WAY these two women are the same. Not only is there a dramatic difference in height (Inelia is very petite, Camille is not) but they do not resemble each other at all. The facial features, the speech patterns are not even remotely similar. I have no idea what else is true or not, in these videos, but the part regarding Inelia is 100% incorrect.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Just a thought .....

I can't remember which interview it was...but do you remember Bill had mentioned that one of his contacts had said that the ptw would try to discredit whistlblowers and the likes of Bill and Co....ect

The other day we had the 'Sun' and 'Mail' trying to discredit David Icke!!

And now these videos have come to light...

Roll the drums...

Hmmmm!! ?

viking

[Arc]

I don;t think Inelia is that person in that video.....is just not her, may be many of the others are, but not Inelia.

Exactly my sense of it. I only watched this with up until the Inelia part. Up to that point I thought most of the supposed facial correlations were not really matching upon closer looks. There was only one that I thought matched which was the female Canadian officer to the topless protester. Otherwise, most of these were just folks with similar feature in my opinion. Haven't you ever had a friend or family member tell you they just saw your twin at the store the other day?

But, back to the Inelia part. I stopped watching at that point because it is clearly not her in the comparison clips. The eyes and nose are different, even the skin tone. But, according to the narrator, then every central or south american woman must be the same person because they have dark hair and brown eyes. Also, every blonde lady with a certain nose is the same lady, etc.

Spidey senses weigh in... feels like cointelpro to me. Muddy up the waters, albeit a more clever attempt than any others I have seen. That's my assessment at this point.

I wonder if this guy cracked the conspiracy of all the Elvis impersonators - how they are all actually Elvis! ;)

[Ilie Pandia]

The thing is that the people in the videos, the so called "actors", may have children, families, relatives, colleagues, own property and so on!

You can't say two people are the same because of the ears (and some major surgery). It takes time to recover from surgery, and as I understand it, you cannot have surgery forever, as the body can't take it. I believe is much simpler to find a "look-alike".

Also, some of the people in the video have a body of work that takes time to build and to maintain. Skipping between media roles would not allow for that.

There are timing issues. People cannot be in two places at the same time and looking very different. (It just means they are different people). So the timeline must be checked. Also the "genetic print" can only be done with a "genetic test" not looking at ones ears...

That being said:

- are there fake news: Yes (I know for sure because, I've seen it here in Romania).
- are actors being used to stage some piece of news or to infiltrate groups - most likely, yes
- do they use the same actors/agents in different situations - I don't see why not
- is the green screen used to fake settings - probably yes

But to jump from that to what I've seen in "Ed"'s videos.... is too big a leap.

[Mark]

I'm having a hard time with some of the folks he states are the same people.
They don't really look that similiar.

They're not similar. They're not the same people. I skipped through the first two vids every minute or so and the people he says are the same in no way are. This is disinformation. More fear, more attempts to sow confusion.

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Some interesting stuff here, particularly in the first vid, then he loses track a little and begins to see 'conspiracy' everywhere. The Inelia thing ... nah, sorry don't see the resemblance to the other women he depicts, nor the topless one. I cannot think that they are the same person. And the guy on the street on 9/11 saying “he didn't have a role right now" or something, signifying that he is an actor, it may simply have been a reference to the police having cordoned off the area as alluded. The guy was probably watching and waiting to continue the relief effort, and was indeed as he said, just "standing by."

And Lady Gaga?? I don't think so. A similar 'ear' is not enough. Give me some accurate face-recognition software and a legitimate investigation of these claims, then yes, we can reach a much better conclusion. But one cannot faithfully trust all his arguments based on only visual determinations.

Like I said though, the first vid (and pieces here and there on the others) is compelling. I think he is onto something and has definitely scored some hits. However he's scored some misses too I'm sure of it.

[HaveBlue]

I do aggree with all that has been said so far. The seal team 6 stuff is worth paying attention to. Especially about the threat of being sued and then the facebook behaviour of the guy he's calling out.
I'm going to reserve judgement for now. I am struggling too with some of the claims but think he's onto something overall.

Inelia is the most difficult one for me. Greer is suspect overall, not because of this but some of his other behaviour. As with all videos, they are only a place to start. I can never be swayed 100% to believe anything I see on a TV screen. Especially if it is unbelieveable to begin with!

But people like Carol Rosin and William Pawlec are very credible as they are merely reporting the corruption we know goes on.
I would rather thank those like Bill and Kerry and Steven Greer than dismiss them because they get one or two (or however many) wrong.

Surely we don't expect any of these folks to be perfect. We sure know our courts and justice systems are not!
I will keep an eye on Eds' site as I do this one. I most certainly do not believe everything posted here. BTW how is charles doing these days?

[jaybee]

I thought it was kinda funny at parts. Almost laughed when Avalon and Greer were pulled in.
.


Almost?

I DID laugh. It's a spoof...satire.


Either done by genuine actor/artists or it's a little PSYOPS vignette.


:happy:

[Lord Sidious]

I had a thought.
You avalonuggets remember that town in Arizona where the cops took the town over?
And there were allegations that major players were actors?
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24909-State-of-emergency-declared-in-Quartzsite-Arizona
I wonder if that is connected with this?

[Jeffrey]

Maybe 1% of that had some truth to it. He calls those people actors... I say he's a director (or paranoid schizophrenic) and he's making fear porn. To each his own I guess, whatever blows your dodie.

[truth4me]

Devil's Advocate:

If the government has technology capable of Time Travel and Cloning Grey Aliens to use in MILABs etc etc., is it really that far of a stretch to assume that they have technology enough to change people's appearances drastically?thank you!:clap2:

[Seikou-Kishi]

I'm not sure. A lot of them look so little like the people they're supposed to look like. As for 'Inelia' lol, he seems fixated on ears because if he hadn't been, he might have noticed the eyebrows don't match, the shape of the eyes don't match... it's odd that any similarity between two people is evidence of deception, but any difference is explained away as purposeful.

[modwiz]

The Ed videos have been being discussed in many different places on the internet such as among my facebook friends and read the youtube comments on the videos themselves (youtube is a social network too).

As I stated earlier I think a few of the things that Ed has posted are convincing although most of them are not even close to convincing ...case in point Inelia...that one cracks me up :)... And I bet it will have her laughing too. Hey I look at the good side of things... I bet there are people that have viewed Ed's videos that never have heard of Inelia...

I think the most important benefit of Ed's videos is the reminder to trust no one and to be reminded to be skeptical about everything question everything. The only thing we/you can trust is your own inner knowing.

Ed's point about lighting and make up is truth ... and of course there are actors making false "news"... For example I know that actors are showing up at #Occupy locations being paid to cause trouble...

I am not sure where the arguing energy that has shown up on this thread came from...??? When I first saw some of Ed's videos I had an ah ha moment...however I too think Ed is a bit obsessed with his new found game... I believe he believes in his investigation... I think he is very silly on many, many of his comparisons... If nothing else the Ed videos are entertaining...

Anyway I found a video several days ago that I feel is a good one to post in this thread (it may have been posted somewhere else, but for those that have not seen this that are following this thread it is a great expose on how so much of mainstream "news" is being reported by a bunch of puppets that are parrots....) In the biz we call it rip and read news...

This video is less than 3 minutes... Much Love to us all!! :luv:

GME5nq_oSR4

Thank you so much for that clip Kimberly. It is the best example I have seen of "news" as regurgitant.

Open wide now. :bad:

[Mandala]

I have to ask about the Gabby Gifford thing and the number of people that would have to be involved. If Dallasgoldbug reports these are all actors, then what about the hospital (nurses and doctors), the little girl that was killed and her classmates/teachers that knew her.. . you mean that was all fabricated? I could see an isolated event, with no ties or background connection, but my question is could "they" pull this off with all the peripheral people involved?

[Seikou-Kishi]

People saying it is definitely not her etc, might need to look a little deeper. Chiarini says that a lot of the work is done in post production, especially with voices.

Ah, that's all well and good and everything (and it's not something I knew, so thank you), but if so much can be changed nearly anybody can look or sound like nearly anybody else, which makes such things effectively void of any evidential weight.

[Lord Sidious]

I have to ask about the Gabby Gifford thing and the number of people that would have to be involved. If Dallasgoldbug reports these are all actors, then what about the hospital (nurses and doctors), the little girl that was killed and her classmates/teachers that knew her.. . you mean that was all fabricated? I could see an isolated event, with no ties or background connection, but my question is could "they" pull this off with all the peripheral people involved?

''They'' pulled off 9/11, no?

[Calz]

I have to ask about the Gabby Gifford thing and the number of people that would have to be involved. If Dallasgoldbug reports these are all actors, then what about the hospital (nurses and doctors), the little girl that was killed and her classmates/teachers that knew her.. . you mean that was all fabricated? I could see an isolated event, with no ties or background connection, but my question is could "they" pull this off with all the peripheral people involved?

''They'' pulled off 9/11, no?


Good example of the "staged reality" was the clip showing the news talking head announcing the collapse of building 7 when it was clearly still standing on the screen in back of her.

[Paladin14]

Its obvious that you are all catching on to this but I'll still post my opinion to further drive the nail into the coffin.

4:09 to about 6:49 in the truth EXPOSED pt 2b: these are not the same people, not at all.

Real housewives star/ex wife of Kelsey Grammer is not at all the same person as Inelia. The other 2 women he says are the same actor are also, very obviously, completely different women.

up until this part I was skeptical because I didnt think any of the photographic comparisons before matched at all, but after this section its pretty obvious that this person is mistaking people for other people and jumping to assumptions.

I have a well trained eye as a professional artist, I can quickly draw photo real likenesses of people, and have worked on many 3D likenesses at work and in personal artwork. You don't need that great of an eye for human likenesses to see that these are different people.

[Dennis Leahy]

I want to know where this guy buys his magic mushrooms. I need some help morphing faces to fit my theories too. I think Barack Obama is actually Dick Cheney! And, Jay Leno! And the queen of England!

I have been approached at least 50 times in my life with people thinking I was someone else. But this guy can take a blurry video of a couple of earlobes and two moderately similar faces, and baddabing baddaboom, Elvis is alive once again. Or the Ft. Hood shooter is ready to do infomercials for diarrhea medicine.

This guy used up his 15 minutes of fame already. I'm surprised to see this on Avalon.

p.s. I suspect the guy IS actually right, only he doesn't have any examples that I believe. There was a guy who was interviewed on the street in New York on 9/11, and gave an eyewitness account of both jets hitting the towers, then he also immediately "explained" exactly why the twin towers came down - and his narrative ended up to be the official narrative! That was no coincidence, that was a script, and that guy really was an actor. Find him, and you have something to talk about. Leave these other people alone.

[NewFounderHome]

Hello to all. I must say this tread is going wild! I guess what should be taken from the topic of the videos is then we might have been played in the pass and we might be played in the future. Let's not forget the police officers that do the ''agent provocateur'' in G20 or might have done it in other like occupy Wall Street and more. It is not worth attacking anybody on this. This might be all false or there might be a 20, 30 or whatever % that just might be the case. Let's just not close our minds to this case. I did use the name Inelia in the top of this tread and that might have offended some of the members. I’m sorry if this was the case. This was not my intention. I wanted to point out the fact then we might be played left and right and we sometimes find out and in other cases we don’t. It might even happen to any of us even with the best of intentions.

[1derer]

I don;t think Inelia is that person in that video.....is just not her, may be many of the others are, but not Inelia.

I watched the Inelia vid too, and I have to say she does not look like any of the so called actors, and there are some major long shots being made in the videos. I do not doubt actors exist as the presenter claims but he might have gotten so caught up in demonstrating his point that he is sufferig form some form of tunnelvision.

Also, having studied Inelia's interview with Bill, her accent is Latin American, with a mix of British and American, and she sounds very genuine and I am not saying this from that video only, I am saying it with experience, having interacted with many Latin Americans.

If she is an actress as claimed in the comparisons, then the presenter needs to review his material. I also recommend he buys a facial recognition software package in order to prevent him from making spectacular statements that are incorrect.

My belief in Inelia is unwavering and those who think otherwise need to look inside themselves some more.

[noprophet]

Little synchronicity here.

Watched this just a couple hours earlier - this guy can be a bit to the side of schizophrenic association - though if you truly believe in a holographic reality you will eventually have to explain what it looks like in utility.

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That aside, I'm a big fan of this new "techno-divination" going on here. As above, so below after all. The hologram quite possibly is falling and it may be a very messy process.

[Flash]

It is hard to believe that his thread is 5 pages long.

In video 2, the women including inelia Benz deemed to be the same have different cheek bones (hard to fake with maquillage or even with good specialists), different nose structure, different mouths, this is ludicrous. Do we need teeth print to show they are not the same?

To me few are wrong therefore the whole thing might be wrong (even is one was true, I have to discard the whole cause some are definitely wrong)

this is full fledge disinfo, don't you see it guys?

[Aetheric Traveler]

Propagandist Misinformation tactics almost always have the same formula. To gain credibility by dropping a few provable facts into a story mixed with lies. This does 2 incredible things at the same time. It makes the lies seems like truths and the truths seem like untrustworthy lies because it sows the conflict of doubt into the mind. This is a purposeful tactic designed specifically to divert attention away from the real problem which is that someone with an agenda is trying to distort your perception from one of complete truth and fact finding to one of misinformation and doubting.

I coined a special word for it long ago which I term "Perceptioneering" because it's a directed attempt to steer or engineer someone's perception away from the truth and keep them misdirected so the "agenda" can continue uncontested towards its goal.

Posting a thread saying "actors" are staging protests with police is clearly an effort to undermine people's belief that the protests they are seeing are having an effect on general public opinion. The fact that someone is trying perceptioneer this at all is proof that THEY are worried about public opinion being swayed onto the supporting side of the protesters and their argument. It's another from of what David Icke calls "Problem, Response, Solution" with the difference between that the problem is one arising from resistance to something like a New World Order goal, the Response is succeeding and must be squashed, and the Solution is to dilute the truth with lies to undermine the public's perception that they should join in against those trying to establish a New World Order of Tyrrany and Mind Slavery.

I didn't watch a single one of those videos. I didn't have to. The "signature" of perceptioneering is all over the discussion and comments. The fact there is adult content in there to try and discredit someone like Inelia proves they are pulling the big guns to appeal to the lowest base instincts in people to divert their attention away from the spiritual power message Inelia is sending.

Good luck learning to spot more perceptioneering.
Cheers,
AT

[Tangri]

I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....

I do not think they are Inelia.
Inelia has right facial nerve disorder at lover face and others have not

[Sarlic]

Im trying to work out who has lost the plot here, Me for wasting 30 mins of my time watching this rubbish just after finishing a very cold night shift or the dude who put those Vids up on you tube.

[jorr lundstrom]

Flash wrote:
this is full fledge disinfo, don't you see it guys?

Oh yes, but wot in the videos is disinfo? All? And as some keyplayers on Avalon

was pushed into the videos, we might ask ourselves , why this disinfo. Im thinking

of the event with the feds that rushed into a shop who sold locally produced vegetables,

with guns in their hands and harassed the owners of the shop.

I saw that video many months ago, and was really upset. Now comes this guy and says it

was all staged. Then I wonder by who, and in wot purpose? And who paid? Do anyone here

know if that situation was staged or happened IRL? Is the purpose with this kind of videos that

this thread cstarted with to make us doubt our perceptions? Always? So in a couple of months

we may watch a video showing a couple of hundred people shot in a park by some masked para-

militaries IRL and we are to percieve that as a staged event? Is the clumsy attempt to state that

Inelia is the same person as the other just a clever way to make us accept the other statements

where there is greater resemlance between the different persons appear as true? I have many questions,

but Im convinced taht the megalomaniac psychopaths do wotsoever the can to manipulate us in

directions that suits them.

http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/alice-rabbithole.jpg

[Cartomancer]

It does not matter if Dallas goldbug is correct about these specific incidents. If you sit down and think about it what he is saying is very easy to do. Especially if the actors are part of a secret society or being blackmailed etc. I think there are clear signs that some type of org. is involved that uses occult concepts to do things in this realm. When they stage things it is like a ritual. Too many of the mass shootings and other events are questionable to ignore this.

This is really much simpler and more effective than other forms of manipulation. Just make your own news. I mean we are all sitting here arguing over weather this is possible or not when we sit and watch manipulated actors feed us canned news on the tele every night. What is the difference here? What this man is saying is eminently possible and easy to do.

Send some people to where the news is shooting video and have them plant disinformation. The hard part to believe here is the people he is pointing out as the same seems kind of shaky in some cases. A few of them do seem to be the same people.

[Black Panther]

Im trying to work out who has lost the plot here, Me for wasting 30 mins of my time watching this rubbish just after finishing a very cold night shift or the dude who put those Vids up on you tube.

You have wasted your time and I think the dude lost the plot.

If gives me a bad feeling looking at the videos and just by being on this
thread.


It is hard to believe that his thread is 5 pages long.

In video 2, the women including inelia Benz deemed to be the same have different cheek bones (hard to fake with maquillage or even with good specialists), different nose structure, different mouths, this is ludicrous. Do we need teeth print to show they are not the same?

To me few are wrong therefore the whole thing might be wrong (even is one was true, I have to discard the whole cause some are definitely wrong)

this is full fledge disinfo, don't you see it guys?

When he talks about Inelia it's really getting crazy indeed.

It looks like an attack on the alternative media again. Attacking RT.com, Inelia,
The Occupy Movement, Avalon and other alternative forums.

Of course there are a lot of actors and a lot of news is 'created'. But that is old news.
I think this thread only leads to confusion and separation. 5 pages is enough!

Listening to the girl in the thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35585-Earth-History-If-We-Were-Created-by-Divinity-Why-Must-We-Suffer
is a better idea. By listening to her I feel much better.
Really resonates with me.

[58andfixed]

Another poster active in this 'genre' is " Tracy Mapes "

http://www.geocities.com/california_state_unfair2002/aka-catherine-zeta-jones.html

http://pastehtml.com/view/1awma4h.html

As apparent "stand alone" pieces of "investigative journalism" these individuals must have invested a lot of time and effort.

The two ends of the spectrum are:

1. additional layers to create even more obfuscation to ideas that people are already biased to expect.

2. honest intentions, insufficiently vetted.

Alternative media is indeed becoming much more confusing.

I suspect that it is a combination of both honest attempts insufficiently vetted, and Internet provocateurs intent on adding confusion in to an already confusing mess, to make the extraction of truth just that much more difficult.

This doesn't help when picking through the pieces.

In a more formal setting a Jury would set aside the doubtful pieces, and pick through what is left to check for any degree of coherency & harmony.

Is there a way that "we the Internet users" can help to resurrect any valid pieces, discard the clearly doubtful, and pile into the 'gray basket' those that need more investigation ?

It would be a pure waste to have tossed babies out with the bathwater.

- 58





This guy's perspective is far from unique.

A bit of poking about the net reveals he isn't the only one exposing this practice and posting examples of it:

[Unified Serenity]

First of all, there are a lot of people with very similar facial characteristics. I watched his videos and I see similarities, but they don't look identical to me. I understand angles and such, but I think he takes liberty with his identifying people. Would tptb use actors to stage a scene or make patsies or cause someone to look guilty, sure they would, but this guy stretches it imho.

[ghostrider]

we must be skeptical , remember charles ? I do believe some are actors scripting events, some are not. the Inelia thing is hard to buy.

[ghostrider]

I have to ask about the Gabby Gifford thing and the number of people that would have to be involved. If Dallasgoldbug reports these are all actors, then what about the hospital (nurses and doctors), the little girl that was killed and her classmates/teachers that knew her.. . you mean that was all fabricated? I could see an isolated event, with no ties or background connection, but my question is could "they" pull this off with all the peripheral people involved?

''They'' pulled off 9/11, no?
sid always the voice of reason

[Unified Serenity]

Look at these doubles and tell me this guy wouldn't say they are the same person given what he deems as proof of these people in his videos being the same people in nefarious situations etc:

http://www.makethelist.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Keira-Knightly-and-Natalie-Portman1.jpg

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a75_sean.jpg
Nick Richmond / Sean Connery

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a75_gates.jpg
Steve Sires / Bill Gates

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a75_arnold.jpg

One who was used to fool our enemy:

http://www.oddee.com/_media/imgs/articles/a75_monty.jpg
In 1944, shortly before D-Day, M.E. Clifton James, who bore a close resemblance to Field Marshall Bernard Montgomery, was sent to Gibraltar and North Africa, in order to deceive the Germans about the location of the upcoming invasion. This story was the subject of a book and film, I Was Monty's Double. http://www.oddee.com/item_86234.aspx

wow, pics not showing up. Go to the url see for yourself.

[modwiz]

we must be skeptical , remember charles ? I do believe some are actors scripting events, some are not. the Inelia thing is hard to buy.

The Inelia thing is like a gullibility/intelligence test. Or, a hallucination test. Either way, believing that is Inelia would make me take away a few drivers licenses.

[Lord Sidious]

I have to ask about the Gabby Gifford thing and the number of people that would have to be involved. If Dallasgoldbug reports these are all actors, then what about the hospital (nurses and doctors), the little girl that was killed and her classmates/teachers that knew her.. . you mean that was all fabricated? I could see an isolated event, with no ties or background connection, but my question is could "they" pull this off with all the peripheral people involved?

''They'' pulled off 9/11, no?
sid always the voice of reason

I try to be, but sometimes I get involved in silly stuff.
None of us are perfect.
I try extremely hard to keep my ego in check.

[K626]

Look into typeage and early Russian experiments ie Eisenstien..


"2 concepts at the heart of E's sense of montage: 1) Psycho-physiological and
2) Hegelian theory.
Utilitarian purpose as well as artistic -- propaganda as well as art. Most important -- to affect the spectator. Wanted to electrify the masses. Psycho-phys. approach: Pavlov -- re-condition the reflexes of humans to lead them in a desired direction. E felt the cinema could create a physiological impression as it projects matter and bodies rather than just feelings. Have a physical response to shooting scene, for example.
Hegel -- idea of 2 opposing forces acting to produce a third, independent force. Synthesis of original thesis and antithesis.

Typage and montage central to Eisenstein's work.
Typage
-- no professional actors, talked with survivors -- typage theory -- people chosen on basis of their "type". Quote: "The only thing I need is contact with the people"
-- felt their was a greater sense of reality with this technique. Came from imagination and observation. Ex. Streetcleaner--> doctor
Philosophy -- a 30 year old playing a 60 year old --> rehearsal is weeks at tops. 60 year old playing 60 year old has a lifetime of rehearsal. Act as themselves.

Potemkin = montage of film pieces. Montage plus captions superseded acting and story conventions. Rhythmic and content montage used especially:
Rhythmic:"

The blending of actors and "real people" in the media is preparing us for things to come.


Peace

K2

[Fred Steeves]

The first video was interesting, then it gets very weird. To state that inelia

and that woman is the same is just too far out.

I agree, the first video caught my interest too jorr. But, the woman in the second video is absolutely NOT Inelia. I sat and had coffee with her and Bill when they were here in the area some months back, and I can assure everybody that attractive as she is, Inelia in NOT endowed like the topless woman. Nuff said.

If this guy is peddling that kind of garbage, then he's very likely got shenanigans going on with much of his other material. This makes it two thumbs down for my review.

[Debra]

QUOTING THE RESPONSE BY AVALON MEMBER K626 `The blending of actors and "real people" in the media is preparing us for things to come.'

The far reaching implications of this are unfathomable. I got severley rapped on the knuckles during my PhD in performance theory research when I blended actors amongst real people telling their stories .. all part of experimentation of trying to hand over the voice of the people within a theatre context. The lines were so blurred, even though the experiment was declared before they entered, the outcome was so stressful. On top of that, the event that I had created was a - ´symposium on alien- human relations' with speakers on the topic from the real world, with general audience participants who were invited to speak out as well. So, the subject alone was very uncomfortable for some, well for many really. The point is, having real actors in their midst, set up to encourage and invite their participation, actually got forgotten and out of hand, and when reminded, the feeling from people was so great. I can still feel the anger to this day. The sense of being manipulated was so insulting for them. I have to admit, that when Inelia-s face came up in the mix, along with Bill Ryan, I was dumbstruck. Of course, I have read as much as I can on this film maker, on what everyone else is saying, to get a handle on what the hell is going on here. I am not dissing everything that this documentary is putting forward. Absolutely not. But, who is the writer, what are his intentions? Going after Inelia (I cant buy the face matching by which he has drawn Inelia into this, some of the others, yes, but not Inelia). Nonetheless, I see this as a form of warfare, that works to manipulate us and to smear innocent people as well, who are deemed irritants, and especially threats.

[Maia Gabrial]

I think that alot can be done with cosmetics and all that Hollywood "stuff" they use to change features is valid. Even a small change would fool most people, unless it's someone trained to notice minute details. Moles can be added. Shapes of lips and hairlines can be altered.
Just look at what the experts in Hollywood can do.
Barring cosmetic surgery, I'm apt to believe most of the similarities he pointed out.
I also think that maybe he's got a problem with Avalon....

[Unified Serenity]

I think that alot can be done with cosmetics and all that Hollywood "stuff" they use to change features is valid. Even a small change would fool most people, unless it's someone trained to notice minute details. Moles can be added. Shapes of lips and hairlines can be altered.
Just look at what the experts in Hollywood can do.
Barring cosmetic surgery, I'm apt to believe most of the similarities he pointed out.

Those are valid points. I just think sometimes we look to hard for conspiracy.

[modwiz]

I think that alot can be done with cosmetics and all that Hollywood "stuff" they use to change features is valid. Even a small change would fool most people, unless it's someone trained to notice minute details. Moles can be added. Shapes of lips and hairlines can be altered.
Just look at what the experts in Hollywood can do.
Barring cosmetic surgery, I'm apt to believe most of the similarities he pointed out.

Those are valid points. I just think sometimes we look to hard for conspiracy.

Yes, we do. There is enough to fill a dumpster without looking for more. Making it up is really being a buttnugget.

[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe Ed has a problem with Avalon....

[sunnyrap]

didn't snap to the Inelia business....thanx for that. I don't know how you could verify all his examples, but we could and should sure ask him to do so if he is to be taken seriously. It is certainly valid to demand that kind of research be backed by painstaking, meticulous research and not just a few facts sprinkled in with assumptions. It's either a case of conspiracy fever, or a clever way to fan the resistance flames just as he accuses others of. Sheesh...rabbit holes have too many blind tunnels and roots, don't they?

That is the value of forums like this...many views from many eyes and minds.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I have to confess to being to quick to tip to the side of conspiracists...(SHEEPISH)

[Maia Gabrial]

When I put this thread out, I had hoped that it would be analyzed, and even sliced and diced. Everyone had a valid point about Ed's deductions, even differing points of view. Good. That's as it should be.
I think what bothered me was a comment someone made about it being a waste of time on this Forum, putting a thread out like this. What did you want nice safe (boring) topics? Every once in a while there's a thread that just sparks our minds. This thread was meant to make you think about the possibilities of how the public can easily be deceived. It was not meant to piss anyone off.

There were alot of good, valid points made that even made me reconsider my own views. And I thank you all.

But please don't say that this was unworthy of posting in this Forum....because we talk about many things here. Even ridiculous subjects. Or that we go off on wild tangents if it pleases us. That's what I love the most about this Forum. It ain't boring because we just don't let it become that way!

(And for the record, I didn't think the comparisons of Inelia and the other one was believeable either)....

[Unified Serenity]

This topic is most valid on this forum Maia. If anyone thinks it's beyond our gov't or tptb to put in actors to play their parts then I think they are sadly mistaken. Remember when 9/11 happened and that guy they interviewed on the street had this nice explanation to get the ball rolling along the lines they wanted the American people to buy? He was proven to be an insider dressed up to look like an average joe.

Thanks for the topic Maia.

[modwiz]

When I put this thread out, I had hoped that it would be analyzed, and even sliced and diced. Everyone had a valid point about Ed's deductions, even differing points of view. Good. That's as it should be.
I think what bothered me was a comment someone made about it being a waste of time on this Forum, putting a thread out like this. What did you want nice safe (boring) topics? Every once in a while there's a thread that just sparks our minds. This thread was meant to make you think about the possibilities of how the public can easily be deceived. It was not meant to piss anyone off.

There were alot of good, valid points made that even made me reconsider my own views. And I thank you all.

But please don't say that this was unworthy of posting in this Forum....because we talk about many things here. Even ridiculous subjects. Or that we go off on wild tangents if it pleases us. That's what I love the most about this Forum. It ain't boring because we just don't let it become that way!

(And for the record, I didn't think the comparisons of Inelia and the other one was believeable either)....

It was certainly worth discussion. Especially with Avalon and one of our featured interviewees being a subject. Ignore the nugget tossers.

[jackovesk]

These videos are pretty interesting in that he shows how the same people that he calls actors are involved in other protests and scam news. I have to admit that some people are really good at detecting minute details. It's worth watching just to see if you can agree with what he's pointing out. Get your conspiracy juices flowing.... :becky:


:bump:

(GREAT THREAD) Maia Gabrial (THANKYOU)

Regards,

Jack

[Fred Steeves]

I think that alot can be done with cosmetics and all that Hollywood "stuff" they use to change features is valid. Even a small change would fool most people, unless it's someone trained to notice minute details. Moles can be added. Shapes of lips and hairlines can be altered.
Just look at what the experts in Hollywood can do.
Barring cosmetic surgery, I'm apt to believe most of the similarities he pointed out.
I also think that maybe he's got a problem with Avalon....

This can be a very dicey thing we're talking about here. What I get from this guy is that he reminds me of Glenn (the false) Beck. You can get a lot of good information, and even some new ways to look at things, but if you're not extremely careful you'll be lead right off the edge of a cliff with the misinformation mixed in.

I don't doubt that there are actors out there doing this kind of thing, that's probably a good little nugget to be aware of, as it wouldn't surprise me a bit if we have some of those embedded in our midst here at Avalon. Thing is, with a whopper like the Inelia segment, once I catch someone doing that the trust is forever compromised. You know, fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me? Yes I'm willing to go along with the actor thing, to a point, but what are his intentions now that we know he will purposely and falsely accuse a person of being fraudulent?

For the record I didn't think the Fort Hood shooter he demonstrated looked right either.

I think this is a very important and multifaceted subject for us to be aware of and also discuss Maia, and thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[araucaria]

He knows that a serious researcher should be comparing voice patterns, so we get a few voice patterns on screen - his own! this strikes me as somewhat disingenuous to say the least.

I wonder does anyone recognize this guy's voice - could be interesting :)

[Ilie Pandia]

Perhaps a new reminder about this is needed: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&p=63045&viewfull=1#post63045

[13th Warrior]

Perhaps a new reminder about this is needed: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&p=63045&viewfull=1#post63045

Bill has been just as guilty of this as anyone else...

[learninglight]

Hi all

I'm glad he's getting an extra 15 mins of fam, hes opening up a big barrel full of worms with what he says
I don't agree with all the connections he is making with these people but....we know main stream media is fixed thats why we/most dont watch it
Look what they did with 9/11 interveiwing actors to get their messages across...imo this goes on all the time and i hope it opens a lot of eyes that are not already open!

much love

[Cartomancer]

Don't get me wrong. I like Bill and P.A. and everyone here. Really some of the subjects we all discuss here every day have an unpleasant dark side that is capable of instilling fear or distrust in the reader. It should be up to us to decide what is b.s. and what is not. In this thread the verdict seems to be overwhelmingly that this is all b.s. but aspects of it are possible and probable.

A few weeks ago Bill posted a thread in which he was "told not to be in Los Angeles" on a certain day by some weather service employee or something. This created a response from people here at the forum somewhat akin to fear. If I remember correctly Bill even said he was leaving L.A. because of this.In the end nothing happened. From a fear perspective is this any different really than what this guy is saying? He has noticed what he believes to be a trend. A P.A. member posted the material for us to review. Even if many of his assumptions are incorrect and erroneous he brings up soem valid points.

Let's not all forget about all the strange parts of the Giffords shooting that do not make sense. A federal judge was killed that was pro gun rights. Giffords was pro gun rights. The little girl who lost her life was born on 9/11/01. The shooter was right out of central casting here. There is an increasing amount of evidence that many of these mass shootings are planned somehow. There has been an occult organization in this country for a long time that is intent on controlling your hearts and minds and they aren't doing it by treating everyone fairly. They will stop at nothing to attain their goals which can't be met with an armed population.

It disappoints me that the powers that be on this thread seem intent on its demise. If people want to discuss this we should be able to do it here. Just because Bill has been accused of this does not mean we are buying into it. Trying to supress this makes P.A. look bad in the long run. Everyone values being here or we would have never come.

[Lord Sidious]

Perhaps a new reminder about this is needed: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7330-The-quality-of-Avalon-keeping-the-signal-to-noise-ratio-high&p=63045&viewfull=1#post63045

Why do you and Paul have some need to control what people talk about on here?
Are any of the posts against the guidelines?
If not, what is your goal/s?

[araucaria]

Ilie's probably right on this one. I'm not quite sure why I bothered chipping in on this one. It was definitely worthwhile airing this topic, but I think there's not much to be gained by carrying on.

[e-lxr]

A few months ago I had actually emailed both Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan to ask them if they thought Chiarini was worth interviewing. I never received an answer. Not taking anything personal here as I realize both probably receive more emails every day then I care to count.

I believe some of Ed Chiarini's work to be valid, and some of it I question. There certainly is room for error in anyone's work, no matter how meticulously done, and clearly not every face/person in the video's receives the same close examination. Also, I have for instance once (years ago) seen a glimpse of a person on a city bus, that looked like my identical twin, even though I don't know that I have one on the earthly plane, and I am quite certain my mom didn't have twins when I was born. Anyway, the girl was even wearing the same style clothing and colors. The bus drove off, and I never saw her again. But Ed Charini does drive the point home that one cannot accept information at face value, especially given the fact that everyone who shares information does have some sort of agenda. Some agendas may resonate, and others not at all. As for Ed Charini's agenda, I would love to get more of a read on that.

[Bill Ryan]

A few months ago I had actually emailed both Kerry Cassidy and Bill Ryan to ask them if they thought Chiarini was worth interviewing. I never received an answer. Not taking anything personal here as I realize both probably receive more emails every day then I care to count.

My apologies for not having replied to that message! We both receive many more e-mails -- some of them asking good questions -- than we're ever able to answer.

Here's my statement for the record:

In large measure, Ed Chiarini is delusional, and his "information" is dangerous nonsense -- especially so at a time when we urgently need solid, careful analysis, and highly intelligent connection of all the dots.

[Elixer]

I'm glad this thread is coming up again.
I'd agree that it is unbelievable stuff in a lot of cases, but some of them are quite compelling.
The perspective his work offers is certainly a useful one, when watching 'news' stories.
The idea of actors playing public figures (known and unknown) in these items, help frame a mindset for the viewer. It's Mass Mind Kontrol and we know that is going on.
The idea of actors in scripted events is just such a good idea that I'm sure it is happening at some level.
We know how important the media is to the old powerpeople, since most the outlets are owned by a handful of corporations. There is an obvious need on the part of these globalist control freaks to MK the population. What Ed is mainly saying here is that we can be happy that the world is not as wicked a place as these media outlets would have us believe.

He does lose me on a number of occasions. He 'exposes' Rand Paul for instance. If that is true, then Ron Paul is 'in on it' as well. I think it's still possible, but highly improbable.
He 'exposes' Bill Ryan, though very briefly. Certainly this is something I do not even want to believe. But honestly speaking, I cannot KNOW that it is not true.
This is not saying much, since I believe there is very little we actually can Know for cetain. Most of what we think we know is actually just belief, even such a simple thing as your birth date.

So yes, I would agree to some degree with Bill that many grains of salt might have to be applied when viewing his stuff, but I will not dissmiss it entirely. I certainly don't think it's dangerous. If anybody takes this stuff at face value, they're probably not on the right track to begin with.
I also find it just interesting and funny to watch his stuff and the claims he makes. If not truth, certainly it's art. I just love his obsession with Tony Greenberg. Cracks me up every time.

His latest 'exposures', seem to have gotten him kicked off of youtube.
He goes quite far in those. 'Exposing' Janet Napolitano and Paul Michael Glaser (Starsky from '...Hutch') as being the same people that played some activists from the seventies, involved with incidents where students were killed in the US during protests.
Finally the biggest one to date, Ed does it to Walt Disney too. I'll not spoil it here, but it is an interesting one.

The fact that he got banned from youtube, I must say, makes his stuff more plausible than before.
Funny how that goes.

Before I forget...
Happy 2012 everyone!

[Unified Serenity]

The fact that he got banned from youtube, I must say, makes his stuff more plausible than before.
Funny how that goes.

That could be a tactic too, ya know. If you are putting forth bs or distraction or are an agent provacateur you have to appear bad boy at some point. Otherwise if you get left alone then it's too much of a red flag. The people wise up, so adjustments are made..... (picture dark room with evil cabal sitting around, "ah yes, let's ban agent x from youtube for a few days, it will make him one of them).

Mind you I am not saying he is or isn't, but so much goes on in psy ops. It's a massive chess games, and most of us are only good at tiddly winks.

[Bill Ryan]

The fact that he got banned from youtube, I must say, makes his stuff more plausible than before.


Not necessarily at all. He might have been the subject of a libel action, with YouTube named as complicit for inadvertently assisting him in defamation.

Steven Greer's lawyers jumped on Kerry and myself after we called him on some of his 2009 Barcelona Exopolitics conference public statements. Greer's legal team could certainly have jumped on Chiarini -- and faster than you might think. (Greer may be many things, but he's certainly not an actor.)

[Elixer]

Good point(s).
Ed's recent Disney 'exposure' was a huge one. I almost immediately dissmissed it as being too improbable. (It's near the end of his 'Truth exposed prt 3')
Then when I saw he'd gotten banned, I figured it was because of that particular one and went to see if I could compare the images.
So it did make me have a second look. I'm sure the banning will have a similar effect on others as well. (Is what I was trying to say)

Funny thing with the Walt Disney thing is that he seems to be smiling in every image, whereas the other person he allegedly plays is not smiling in any of them, which makes it hard to compare the faces.... Of course if you're serious about these types of facial comparisons you'll dig a little deeper, which I won't because I'm not, really.

[Cartomancer]

If he's getting sued he's just going to use it as a rationalization to say the he is correct. This guy is taking advantage of the fact that we all mistrust the mainstream media. Does the media wag the dog? Yes. Are they doing it to the extent that this guy is saying? Not.

I'm surprised he hasn't been sued already. There are many youtubers ranking on this guy. He is starting to lose any credibility he had. He over reached big time.

[Kgirl]

Great analysis and advise. Someone, one of my many great teachers, said to me once "Propaganda is to a democracy/republic as violence is to a dictatorship". (I'm Canadian, the US is a Republic).

I did not agree with all of Ed's comparisons, especially Inelia, however I do know that if he is right about just one of his ear comparisons, and I think he is, then we have a perfect example of the holographic media matrix built to form our perceptions of reality. How far down does the rabbit hole go? Entertaining Ed's ideas broadens the mind. I already question everything, as opposed to trusting no one, which is a very significant distinction in my view. Youtube has now banned him and deleted all his vids/channel (well after he said Walt Disney was Hitler and more what else would they do?), I am a bit confused. I mean, with a great deal of implosive whistleblowing going on in so many places, why delete HIS channel? Is it because he has hit on truth, or so that we think he has?



WellAware1.com (www.wellaware1.com)
First of all, I love this stuff. His idea is terrific and the efforts to back up his claims are often very compelling and convincing.
I'm sure Ed Chiarini will be reading this. Good job Ed.

Having said that, I hasten to add that I do not know how seriously to take this.
It could all be true, all be false, or anything in between. He could be good and right, or good and wrong, or just plain wrong.
This is not as important as the interestingness of his idea and his subsequent work, which, as far as scope, level of detail and sheer amount, is quite impressive and based on that alone, worthy of some interest.

What Ed is showing us, is that most of the news we get through both mainstream- and alternative media, is largely scripted, produced and in fact acted - performed by professional actors.
That might not be news to most, since we all know the media lie, but Ed takes this a few levels further.
He doesn't limit his critisicm to the MSM. He goes into the Alternative Media as well, as we shall see.
He attempts to prove that many characters we are shown through the media, presented to us as real people, are in fact part of a limited number of professional actors, some of whom play multiple roles.

This then is part of a program, very large in scope, to frame the mindset of humanity. The level of machination goes way way deeper than we already thought, with regards to the Propaganda Machine.

According to Ed, most of the actors we see, come from a single family, the Greenbergs. Another contingent comes from the Pima County Sheriff's Office. He focuses a lot on one guy in particular: Tony Greenberg.
If we are to believe Ed, Tony has played David de Rothchild, Anwar Al Alawki, a son of OBL and many many more people that are presented to us. Tony is very very good at his job. The way his appearance changes from character to character is incredible. That is, if we believe Ed.

In his latest releases, he comments on Project Avalon specifically. In this video at around 6:30 minutes (http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_861577&src_vid=yxz1hpiWXY4&v=fzpIWqRR71k&feature=iv)
He tells you that Inelia Benz is in fact one of these impostors, just as Steven Greer, just as Clifford Stone, just as Carol Rosyn and many others, even Jordan Maxwell.
At this point many might dissmiss wellaware1's perspective because you love one of these people. Here on Avalon many support Inelia's message. Jordan Maxwell is beyond reproach. And so on.
Maybe Ed is full of it, we cannot be sure at this point. To dissmiss his idea however, based merely on your personal preference for certain people, might not be wise. You would be letting emotion and sentiment determine what is true for you. But we all know how easy it is to manipulate those. Even a crappy movie can move you and cause you to sympathize with certain characters.
Do some investigation into Ed's work before judging any of it. His claims sometimes seem baseless, but he will often revisit his earlier statements to back them up with proof.

What is important about any of the people, speaking on the circuit, is their ideas. Not they themselves. Embrace every fellow human as your brother and your sister, equally and lovingly, unconditionally.
Support and reject, apply judgement to ideas only, through your spiritual endorsement, so to speak. ...

I highly recommend you look at some of the dallasgoldbug videos on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/user/dallasgoldbug), check out Ed's site, wellaware1.com (www.wellaware1.com) and just take in his perspective at least. I think it might greatly assist in discerning truth from lies, fact from fiction, but what is more, it might teach you to not necessarily identify with any of the things we see, since none of it can be trusted, really.
He 'exposes' the imposters through facial recognition features, focusing especially on the ears, which he says are like a genetic marker, unique to each person.
It seems he has had some training in this field, knows all the terms and speaks quite matter-of-factly. He also appears quite 'wellaware' of how Hollywood productions are done.
Some of his cases are more compelling than others. There are a few that seem almost irrefutable.

It is said that only one real UFO needs to be identified in order for the entire ET phenomenon to be real. That goes for Chiarini's exposures as well. He tells you this himself. If you see one case that cannot be refuted, you'd have to admit that at least some aspect of the news media is scripted, acted and produced in this way, which to many will definitely make the deception go much deeper and further than they originally thought.

Regardless of whether it is true or not, I think it is a good use of anyone's time to look at this stuff.
He shows how the Gifford's shooting was in fact nothing but a drill and hence anything we hear about it is lies.
How the Columbine shooters might be the creators of 'South Park', Trey Parker and his buddy.
How much of the violence we see surrounding Occupy are mostly staged events, especially the incident on the NY bridge.
How this entire program seems to have come out of the Nazi propaganda machine and how there are specific and well known nazis currently involved with it.
etc.

As a funny counterpoint I'd like to entertain the notion that Ed Chiarini is part of the same Greenberg family he is exposing. He might in fact be Tony Greenberg himself.
Though I think the ears don't match, but then, that technique would be part of Tony's scam.
Or maybe Ed originally was part of this family or group, but was thrown out, hence his bitterness towards them. Or he was on the inside, saw what horrors they purpetrated on mankind and decided to leave and try and expose them.
Perhaps it is the Greenberg's vanity, their pride in this enourmous work they are performing, anonymously by necessity, that prompted them to have one of their own play the character of Ed Chiarini to do this type of 'exposure' and disclosure. He might have an inside-man pointing him to the relevant information. How else would you even find some of this stuff?
It is also possible, even plausible that wellaware1 is part of a larger psy-op to make us further distrust anything and everything, adding only to the confusion.
He might be on the level and truely finding these things.
Who knows, right?

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This is the first thread I started on Avalon, even though I've been around for a while. I don't know if I'll be guiding things along, as I seem to have the attention span of a goldfish, so I might get bored with what I now find fascinating, but let's see where it goes.

It could well be just another thread for the memory hole.
I'd like for it to get some attention though, as Ed's perspective I think, offers a valuable direction for our thinking: we should really turn away from these cults-of-personalities in any of their forms.
It is ego-gratification after all, causing the ego to only gain more prominence, which would be the wrong way for it to go. We need to support ideas, concepts, stories and so on, rather than people.
Bob Dean is a case in point because his personality is what is most important about him, more so than his information. We love this man and therefore trust him, we want to believe what he tells us.
The question whether we really can trust him, is almost taboo, can almost not be asked. All I'll say about him is that I too find him a lovely man and his stories are very interesting, but his extraordinary claims mostly lack evidence to back them up, as far as I know.

There are threads about con artists currently doing the rounds on Avalon. Personally I think, but cannot be sure, that George Kavassilas is one of those for instance, yet I like his story.
I don't believe much of what he's saying. He just sounds too emotionally manipulative, merely by varying his tone of voice.
Every time I hear him, he annoys me, yet afterwards I find myself thinking in terms of his concepts, which do help shed light on certain things, or add to our vocabulary and help better understand them.
I don't like him for his presentation, but I appreciate some of his ideas.
Listening to any interesting speaker, be they true or false, opens up vistas for my mind to visit that I had not thought of before. That is helpful.
"Disinformation is 80% truth". So that is what we'd need to do with any information: take those parts we like, or that spark our interest rather, and leave the rest. It sounds cliche by now, easier-said-than-done and it is.

In his latest video series (Truth Exposed 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxz1hpiWXY4&feature=relmfu)), Ed makes the point with the 'amazing rant' video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrrCcdKtQK4) of the young guy at OWS. The young guy, a member of the Greenbergs, says all the right things throughout his rant, causing listeners to be in agreement with him. At the end of his rant though, he tells you the true message, according to Ed, which in this case is to limit Presidential power and increase decentralized power, Governors, Mayors and so on. The reason for this, says Ed, is that it is easier to put corrupt people in those 'lesser' positions of power, making it easier to gain more and more control.
See, the rant guy gets you to go along with him, to then drop the 'bombshell' on you that you might not otherwise be in agreement with, but because of the context and the mindset that has been framed, you do now go along with. A form of mind control ('extended consent'?) and that is what this whole thing is about of course, purposely framing the mindset of humanity.

The important thing is to look at these larger packages of information and select packets from within them, to spiritually, intellectually, emotionally endorse. Don't buy the box, buy selective items from within the box.
Don't endorse the amazing-rant-guy, endorse some of what he is saying.
It was stated quite well in one of the recent Fulford threads here on PA (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35342--Ben-Fulford--Rothschild-Rep.-Leaves-Japan-Empty-Handed-makes-Threats..-&p=362159&viewfull=1#post362159). The thing to do is to take beautiful ideas of people, Fulford in this case, and regardless of whether the person is truthful or not, create a space in our hearts, our minds and infuse the idea with our personal intent. All these incidental, individual endorsements are what might ultimately determine the fate of mankind and help shape our future reality. Or not.


Anyway, I wanted to post this due to the explicit 'accusations' leveled against 'Avalonians'. Like I said, I expect this thread to receive heavy critisism, also and especially because in one of Ed's earlier videos I think he shows Bill Ryan to be one of the imposters as well. But considering Bill's earlier endorsement of the Inelia material, that might then not be too great a leap to make, within this context. That's going too far?
Like I said, take packets from within the box. Don't dissmiss the entire box because of one particular item within it.

Fascinating.

(Ed, if you're still reading this... might I suggest you make your videos a little faster-paced for easier consumption and, if need be, repeat sequences of photos where now you have a blank screen in the videos. Black screens no good. Also some post production on your voice-over wouldn't hurt. Take out some pauses, cut some parts and so on. I should heed my own advice and make shorter posts on forums and blogs. I know how tempting it is to just ramble on.)

[Elixer]

Thanks for the kind words there. Good insights too, in light of which I'd like to mention that I came across some Noam Chomsky vids (through the Camelot forum (http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=28&id=42600&Itemid=164)) where he lays out how explicit this doctrine of controlling the mind of the masses is: part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OnTHz--7I&feature=player_embedded),part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3WgX4TBQAI&feature=related), part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBAM0qExjZY&feature=related), part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoLForaQy0o&feature=related), part 5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YASo_hlL1U&feature=related), part 6 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4geUgrnGaM&feature=related), part 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fa8XoS4KrK0&feature=related).

Chomsky has been getting a bad rep, but undeservedly so, in my opinion. He's a great (linguistic) scholar and brings political information that really hits the nail on the head in a way that makes it practically undeniable. One of the reasons he's getting dissed, is because he doesn't embrace certain hot topics such as UFO's or 9-11 is an inside job. If he were to do that, his information would be easily ridiculed and dissmissed in the mainstream and that is where his target audience also resides. His message is too important to be relegated to the realms of the 'nonsensical'.

Another reason Chomsky is 'suspected' is because of his affiliation with 'Democracy Now!' and Amy Goodman (Am I good man?). Their organisation has some suspicious corporate ties that make it easy for some to completely dissmiss them too.
Interestingly enough, welllaware1 'exposes' a woman that does tie into Pacifica Radio, so maybe there is something to it. However, that does not automatically invalidate Chomsky. We should know to be careful with 'guilt by association'.


It seems Ed Chiarini has been kicked off Blip tv as well. Since today, even the wellaware1.com domain seems to have been freed up. Either they're really putting the screws on him, or he's trying to make it look that way. Maybe he's exitting the scene, trying to spin it as censcorship.
Perhaps his work is done? In which case it would perhaps become plausible that he was working for 'the Greenbergs'. I personally don't believe that.

Once again, I don't think we can dissmiss his entire body of work and the perspective along with it. That would be playing right into 'their' hands.
Sure, not all his exposures are valid. He even admits to this himself (on the October 21st show with Mike and Dave on Oracle Broadcasting (http://www.oraclebroadcasting.com/archives.php?who=mikeanddave&month=10&year=2011)).

This is where discernment and logic come in. An example....
If you make the statement that all swans are white, then it only requires one black swan to prove you wrong.
If you make the statement that some swans are white, then it only requires one (or two) white swan(s) to prove you right.

Aside from the facial comparisons, Ed brings other interesting things to our attention.
He shows us clues that we can use to determine whether a news item is a staged event. A few examples:

*Chalk marks on the ground. This could indicate that those are stage-cues, places where actors should stand for a particular scene to be properly shot.
Many of the talks show hosts have a little mark on the floor to indicate where they should stand to deliver their monologue.

*If you see reflections in windows, of very bright and high powered lights, that too would indicate that this particular spot was selected for the staged event and has been properly set up to get the best shots.

*If there is something like a riot, or a terrorist event taking place and you see the cops all walking around calmly, that too is an indicator of a potentially staged event.
In a real-life situation, the cops would likely be running all over the place, because they don't know what to expect.

*People with cue cards. When EMT workers are joined by someone in a different uniform or in plain clothes, that person could be a coach, usually with cue cards or a script, to help the actors perform their roles, possibly.

*When you see people of the public smiling and laughing while acts of supposed and horrible violence are taking place right next to them, it is likely that these people are bad actors.


It would be great if we on Avalon, would use these types of things to point out to each other, when we see staged events being played off as real news footage.
It would perhaps help all of us in deciding what is real and what is part of the 'dark agenda'.
When I see a news item that I believe to be staged, I'll try to start a thread that could then be used to keep track of more such items.

[Sloppyjoe]

http://vimeo.com/34714039

I've only watched part 1 so far, but I truly do not know what to believe as I am in shock. Some of the faces put together may be questionable, but I think there are ones that are right on the money.

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[Mod-edit: I changed the title of this thread, adding the parenthetical "(DallasGoldBug's dubious claims ... again)". See Ilie's Post #139 (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38984-Everybody-needs-to-watch-this...--DallasGoldBug-s-dubious-claims-...-again-&p=407195&viewfull=1#post407195), below, for why I did this. - Paul.]

[Sloppyjoe]

You may not know what the whole point of the video is during the first few minutes, but you will start to pick it up and it will hit you like a rock.

[Corncrake]

This has already been covered on Avalon here: The Truth Exposed by WellAware1.com?

[apollo41]

yeah i was a subscriber to his channel on youtube? wondered why it was taken down?
very clever guy, what he explains and shows you is real.
it must take him forever researching this?

[truth4me]

We here on the forum forget at times the old saying "Truth is stranger then fiction" . After watching part 2 where he says Lady GaGa is Jon Benet Ramsey then saying GaGa was Maurice Strong's daughter.....well I'm starting to believe this "everyone is a Nazi" stuff.....

[Ilie Pandia]

There is thread about this right here already: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35617-The-Truth-Exposed-by-WellAware1.com

Also when posting videos like that please add more info that "Everybody needs to watch this..." :) And a short summary in the post with what the video is about is also very useful.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

http://vimeo.com/34714039

I've only watched part 1 so far, but I truly do not know what to believe as I am in shock. Some of the faces put together may be questionable, but I think there are ones that are right on the money.

Holy cr@p, she does look like Inelia. This is a very good video, if all true, i just got a lot harder to understand the shady whistleblowerbussines, its got me curious who else might be yanking our cranks.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Totally retract my previous emotional response to this, there are some thing wich look quite good, but the Joran van der Sloot stuff, is NOT correct, he is NOT Steve O, Ed, i may be emotional and gullible at times, but what you just tried to pass by us is ridiculous, i do get the fact there a is a large amount of people who will do just about anything for cash and the fact there a families who are on the payroll of TPTB seems only logical. But some things you are taking waaaaaaaay to far. Liked some of the occupy stuff though.

[joedjemal]

David Icke is Richard Branson? Don't believe it. He may have a point about some of it but that site takes it to ridiculous extremes. I've spent much of my life in the protest movement, if it was all as scripted as he says it is I would have spotted something. Yes police and intelligence infiltrators are a fact of life, they're usually the ones with the matching boots and masks who nobody knows kicking in the windows of mcd's

[Paa]

-I've removed this post-

[Richard S.]

I've seen to many ear compare videos. This guy is not on track, I think he is getting delusional.

[gooty64]

This video and this guy and his wellaware BS should totally be disregarded. It's garbage!

It's actually sinister dis-info. A bit of truth here and there to place doubt and dis-info into the consciousness about others like Inelia-for example.

HORRENDOUS!

[centreoflight]

Hi Elexir, I read your long comment and I agree with most of it. In India there is a legend that says that the swan is able to drink from a water-milk mixture and take only the milk and leave the water. This wisdom of the swan I love to use when I have a mixture of lies and truth. I take what resonates true. Also I know that many wise people are sometimes putting purposely lies in their talk to test the listeners. Are you throwing away the whole presentation, because you discovered one lie?

[Sloppyjoe]

I've always thought Inelia was dis-info even before this video. The fact that she charges 99 bucks or whatever for ascension is ridiculous. I don't believe anyone who charges a large sum of money for the truth.

[Sloppyjoe]

I think most of us can agree that the parts about faking the news is pretty correct. Like the girl that played on the bachelor and the shooting and one or two other things was on the money in my opinion. He shows us at the beginning how professional makeup can change a persons appearance drastically. The possibility that all these shootings were played out by the use of the same actors is discomforting to say the least, especially the OWS movement! How do you even know what's true anymore? It seems like its all staged, that TPTB orchestrate these events to shape the way they want to see the world and control us...

[Sloppyjoe]

Also, it's kind of odd to me that every single news interview he puts up, whether it's at the 9/11 scene or the OWS scene or whatever, the people being interviewed seem like actors! With their emotions and flow of sentencing it seems like they are professionals...just a thought.

[norman]

I've spent much of my life in the protest movement, if it was all as scripted as he says it is I would have spotted something. Yes police and intelligence infiltrators are a fact of life, they're usually the ones with the matching boots and masks who nobody knows kicking in the windows of mcd's



Haha, you remind me of the night I saw 2 very unlikely 'anachists' wait for all the media folk to get lined up and ready, then swing their golf clubs through a Bank window. on the news. I saw it in a pub, with sound turned off, and instantly saw it as a set up. I turned to a couple of people there and said "did you see that!?". nah... they thought I was crazy.

[EnergyGardener]

The most effective lies are 80% true.

[Ilie Pandia]

I've always thought Inelia was dis-info even before this video. The fact that she charges 99 bucks or whatever for ascension is ridiculous. I don't believe anyone who charges a large sum of money for the truth.

That person in the video is not Inelia Benz. Inelia Benz is not an actor. Also, in my opinion she is not a dis-info agent. Your comment is mean and promotes in fighting between people that want to help.

She is not selling ascension for $99. That is dis-info from your part. She is selling an audio course that can help with raising your awareness. If you want to get your facts straight read this page entirely: http://ascension101.com/ascension-course.html and you may want to pay attention to this paragraph:

"No lightworker who is going to do this course will go without it. So, if your situation is that you cannot afford to buy this course, write us an email describing your circumstances and a firm COMMITMENT to completing it, for your copy."

Read this comment from Bill too: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35617-The-Truth-Exposed-by-WellAware1.com&p=393481&viewfull=1#post393481

[Falcor]

seems like most of us dont jive with ALL of it, but as said before, he brings a valid argument to the surface. i really liked the protests part, good stuff

[Dawn]

I get it... very important. This guy had a video on YouTube previously that was debunked here on Avalon because a number of the people were clearly and obviously NOT the same people as he was insisting.

I would like to point out that there is something very weird going on in these videos. There is a background noise which sounds like horse hooves clopping along. This sound is pretty regular. There is a technique of subliminal programming which involves shortening words until they sound like these noises and inserting them into the background of a TV or video film. I am very suspicious of this noise, and because of it I chose not to watch the videos all the way through. That background noise makes no sense at all and disturbs me.

Anyone here on Avalon have the capacity to analyze the background wood-block type noises to see what they are?

[Tangri]

http://vimeo.com/34714039

I've only watched part 1 so far, but I truly do not know what to believe as I am in shock. Some of the faces put together may be questionable, but I think there are ones that are right on the money.

Holy cr@p, she does look like Inelia. This is a very good video, if all true, i just got a lot harder to understand the shady whistleblowerbussines, its got me curious who else might be yanking our cranks.

I think we will repeat everything for newbies what did happened first.

The Truth Exposed by WellAware1.com?
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....
I do not think they are Inelia.
Inelia has right facial nerve disorder at lover face and others have not

[778 neighbour of some guy]

http://vimeo.com/34714039

I've only watched part 1 so far, but I truly do not know what to believe as I am in shock. Some of the faces put together may be questionable, but I think there are ones that are right on the money.

Holy cr@p, she does look like Inelia. This is a very good video, if all true, i just got a lot harder to understand the shady whistleblowerbussines, its got me curious who else might be yanking our cranks.

I think we will repeat everything for newbies what did happened first.

The Truth Exposed by WellAware1.com?
Posted by Maia Gabrial (here)
I posted this on another thread, too; but it's worth reinforcing. There are 2 other parts to it that are just as interesting. On the second video, there's something about Inelia in it....
I do not think they are Inelia.
Inelia has right facial nerve disorder at lover face and others have not

Mr 665 newbie, did two posts on this, i responded emotional to seeing the first part of the video and also part of the second, i watched the set of 3 another time and most of it is complete BS, i learned a valuable lesson there and i went on reading on the wellaware thread and spoke before, taking the time i should haven taken to let this sink in, before passing judgement on it, as i said in my second post.

[Bill Ryan]

it is complete BS

Yes, it is. :)

Anyone who believes that I was somehow "taken in" by Inelia (in some machiavellian role as a clever actor!!) -- after spending two full months seeing her literally every day in Sacramento -- does not deserve to be on this forum.

[Elixer]

It seems one of my still favorite topics has come up again: wellaware1. ;)

I tried to debunk Ed Chiarini's claim about David Icke = Richard Branson, by showing that it was impossible for David to be in Zagreb on December 1st and then in the US that same day as Branson, where he appeared on the Colbert Report.
It is not conclusive, but I'm satisfied that this was not possible, that they cannot be the same person, unless some very serious orchestration had been brought to bare. More proof required either way.

I was looking at American Freedom Radio (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/programs.html) the other day. I saw the picture of one of their hosts and immediately thought he looked like Tony Greenberg. Then the host's name turned out to be Christopher Greene. His schpiel seems to have been inspired by Jack Blood, except Chris throws a lot more hype into the fear and outrage, even calling on people to take up pitch forks and things like that. Terrible stuff, really.
I suggested it to Ed and he confirmed it. Christopher Greene = Tony Greenberg.

I also tried to look at the Gaga = Winehouse claim. It should not be too hard to find media events that they both attended, or to find overlap in the concert schedules, since concerts are attended by many and if there were any gigs performed at more or less the same time by these two, that would conclusively prove that they cannot be the same person.
However, I did not find any such evidence. Their tour schedules in fact conveniently seemed to be not overlapping. Then again, I'm not much of a detective in that sense.

The point I am trying to make here, is that a lot of people yell 'bunk', without anything to back it up. Where is the proof that conclusively overturns any of Ed's claims?
There should be plenty of avid researchers that would want to prove their own point of Ed being full of it, delusional and so on. How come we haven't seen anything concrete from any of them?
On his site, Ed has a challenge to lawyers as well. I think he's right in saying that if he were wrong about any of these things, he should be sued. He is not being sued. Hm.

There are claims by Ed and people that are following his line of research, that state that Tina Fey = Truther Girl Sonja = Sarah Palin, possibly. (Sonja is on AFR as well...as is Kerry...)
Since all counterparts are public figures, these types of claims should be easily falsifiable.
Not by me though, it seems. I run into too much information to wade through, that makes it quite a lot of work to do, and then still I come up quite empty. Plus, I find it boring work...
Though on the David Icke thing, I think I got something there.
(If more details are required, I can post them here).

Ed also claims Rand Paul, son of Ron, to be an actor. He identifies him with another guy and that these two did appear at the same event. However, Ed says that they played some tricks to make it appear as if they were there together when in fact they were not. So this is something to watch out for in the search for proof.

A follower in Ed's footsteps (called Repawnd) did an 'expose' on Steve Corbett, showing him to not be who he claims to be. That would be a shame and a little strange, since Corbett seems to bring serious news and well thought-out viewpoints that are of interest to us all. I hope this Repawnd guy is wrong on this one, but he might not be.

Lastly, I would say that even though some people might play different characters in the media, this does not automatically mean they're up to no good. There have been many authors that choose to publish under a pseudonym in order to ventilate dissenting opinions without compromising their establishment positions.
Look at Alex Collier who got fired from his establishment job for speaking out the way he has. The Tina Fey=Sonja thing could be a case in point here.

I hope some Avalonian internet detectives feel invited to meet this challenge and show us all why and where the wellaware1 perspective cannot be taken seriously, rather than just offer their blatant dissmissals.
It would probably have to be proof that the two characters cannot be the same person, rather than just pointing out that Ed is being too loose with his methods...
Thanks.


[update: I hadn't seen Bills' post before mine, prior to posting it.
Let me say that I don't go along with the Inelia claims and I definitely don't believe Ed's claim about Bill, obviously.
However...if I may... in the improbable event that Ed is right, then Bill and Inelia would 'both be in on it' and support each other in the scam.
So I reiterate my request: let's prove beyond a doubt that Ed Chiarini is wrong.]

[Fred Ryan]

By no means to I believe all conclusions reached in these videos; however, the idea that professional actors are being used in staged media events seem plausible, even probable. Additionally, I've long believed that many incons of the alternative media are telling stories that don't add up. I guess, in final analysis, these videos managed to send me a little further down the rabbit hole.

I stopped watching broadcast television about a year and half back. Should I now turn off my internet contection?

[Semnyi]

Hello to all Avalon members.
Have you been to the website http://www.wellaware1.com
I want to talk about DallasGoldBug aka Ed Chiarini. Not his real name but who cares. wellaware1.com I know lots of people are aware of this site, but I want to say put up or shut up. Ed's methods are sound and his evidence profound. http://wellaware1.com/cointelpro/benjamin/benjamin.jpg http://video.az.mn/video/hWjRv1g8alI/benjamin-fullford-exposed-independant-film-association-of-southern-arizona/
http://wellaware1.com/fulford/
Ben Fulford I hold in high esteem and this is not a big deal because being a journalist is common to use a false identity to protect yourself from the public. Is he realy an actor though? no matter really but this one shok me up a bit:

I will admit to being biased toward Ben I think he is the best.
I want answers from Moderators or Bill and Kerry now. I have nothing but the most profound respect for this form and the project camelot and avalon. Please get to debunking this I am very concerned about Inelia (not so much about Ben :p)

I do not have the Inelia Benz video url now but I will add it to the comments or edit it in to the bottom of this post.

http://www.wellaware1.com/cointelpro/actors/all.jpg
thers the photo. will post the video when i find it, ed's youtube was taken down.
Merci, Thanks, Love you all
- Semnyi

[ThePythonicCow]

Have you been to the website http://www.wellaware1.com
I want to talk about DallasGoldBug aka Ed Chiarini. Not his real name but who cares. wellaware1.com I know lots of people are aware of this site, but I want to say put up or shut up. Ed's methods are sound and his evidence profoundi
Yes - we are aware. The conclusion of several of us here is that DallasGoldBug aka Ed Chiarini's comments on Inelia are not sound and are without evidence.

I have merged your new thread (the post just above, to which I am responding here) with the existing thread discussing this, so you may find our earlier discussion more easily.

[Semnyi]

Back up your assertions. We deserve better, Project Avalon your credibility is getting spat on here. Get on it!

"...The conclusion of several of us here is that DallasGoldBug aka Ed Chiarini's comments on Inelia are not sound and are without evidence..."


Thats not even close to making a difference, I can take the fight back to ed to clear up this thing. This is big to me I am not satisfied, Get Inelia to address it I will not be satisfied until I get some real answers.

[ThePythonicCow]

Back up your assertions.
If you're looking to start a conflict, at least pick something more interesting or more substantial than DallasGoldBug's baseless claims.

[Wind]

I don't know if I should be amused or shocked to find out that so many people actually believed DallasGoldburg, even here on Avalon. Anyone can see that he is obviously delusional, just like Bill said.

[ThePythonicCow]

I can take the fight back to ed to clear up this thing. This is big to me I am not satisfied, Get Inelia to address it I will not be satisfied until I get some real answers.

So you know Ed Chiarini?

That might explain why some 8 of your 33 posts so far, on a variety of threads, since shortly after you joined us a month ago, mention wellaware1.com and/or Ed Chiarini, sometimes doing so without much contextual justification other than the mention of some name that Chiarini has commented on.

[Semnyi]

I wish the Project Avalon would step to the pale and deal with dallasgoldbug. I am getting fed up.
http://wellaware1.com/giffords/loughner/shooting/christina_green/arizona/lies/giffords.htm

I am losing faith in this whole operation.

-Semnyi

[Semnyi]

I can take the fight back to ed to clear up this thing. This is big to me I am not satisfied, Get Inelia to address it I will not be satisfied until I get some real answers.
So you know Ed Chiarini?

That might explain why some 8 of your 33 posts so far, on a variety of threads,
since shortly after you joined us a month ago, mention wellaware1.com and/or
Ed Chiarini, sometimes doing so without much contextual justification other than
the mention of some name that Chiarini has commented on.

Wow talk about starting conflict! I do not know ed. Why would you avoid the
real issue here, that shows bias and unprofessionalism.

I want answers pertaining to the photographic evidence.

Back up your assertions? How am I starting a conflict? Baseless is
your claims of lack of evidence.

"...The conclusion of several of us here is that DallasGoldBug aka
Ed Chiarini's comments on Inelia are not sound and are without evidence..."

No they are not. You are wrong sir. I deserve better. This is an outrage.
I am not trying to start a conflict, why would I?
It is not like I am trying to divert attention away from an important issue,
but you are avoiding the issue, by using ad hominem attack and logical
fallacy. I'm not sure Bill can discount the evidence.
I stick my neck out there to stand up for something I believe in and I get attacked.

[Semnyi]

http://wellaware1.com/giffords/loughner/shooting/christina_green/arizona/lies/giffords.htm Here is the evidence show giffords to be a fraud. yup, deal with don't hate the player. knowmsayin if you can't beat em. I expect some kind of intelligent discussion not an attack against my person. Does the moderator know how to conduct a public forum?

[toad]

http://wellaware1.com/giffords/loughner/shooting/christina_green/arizona/lies/giffords.htm Here is the evidence show giffords to be a fraud. yup, deal with don't hate the player. knowmsayin if you can't beat em. I expect some kind of intelligent discussion not an attack against my person. Does the moderator know how to conduct a public forum?

'evidence'

[Rosco1]

I would like to point out that there is something very weird going on in these videos. There is a background noise which sounds like horse hooves clopping along. This sound is pretty regular. There is a technique of subliminal programming which involves shortening words until they sound like these noises and inserting them into the background of a TV or video film. I am very suspicious of this noise, and because of it I chose not to watch the videos all the way through. That background noise makes no sense at all and disturbs me.

Anyone here on Avalon have the capacity to analyze the background wood-block type noises to see what they are?

Hi Dawn,

I have isolated the the wood block/horse hooves type noise and I believe you may have something here!

There seems to be masking within masking (subliminals)

Two different types of subliminals embedded within the soundtrack.
I am no expert, but if I can make out any words I'll post later...still trying though including reversing the recording (only highlighting on the sounds you requested)

[gripreaper]

Wow. I do say that a higher level of discernment is needed at this time as I too see an increase in provocateurs in the alternative media, which to me is a sign that the alt media is getting too close to the truth. So, the disinfo could be coming from any direction and for me I'm finding it more difficult to discern, unless I go deeply within.

A friend of mine is all over this and thinks this is whats going on. This will open this rabbit hole of doppelganger faces and voices wide open:

http://www.wellaware1.com/index.html

[TWINCANS]

Wow. I ... see an increase in provocateurs in the alternative media, which to me is a sign that the alt media is getting too close to the truth...
A friend of mine is all over this and thinks this is whats going on. This will open this rabbit hole of doppelganger faces and voices wide open:

http://www.wellaware1.com/index.html


Couldn't agree more that disclosure of the madness is finally gaining traction and this is resulting in the alt media getting a lot of 'attention' by provocateurs.

Thanks for the link. The rabbit hole is not only deep, it has side channels too.

[ThePythonicCow]

Wow. I do say that a higher level of discernment ...

Couldn't agree more ...
The last two posts, just above, were moved here from the Maybe time to take a serious look at David Wilcock (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?42029&p=442543#post442543) thread. These two posts seemed more on-topic here, than there.

[crnel]

My attitude about Ed Chiarini's "exposees" of actors posing as concerned citizens and Bill Ryans and Inelia Benzs and so on is, so be it.
It's better to apply one's own discernment on what people say, write, and do.
I like Inelia Benz, for example, because of the spiritual value of what she has to say.
George Cavassilas - I like his ideas about reliance on your own heart. He seems very likeable.
But I don't agree with him insisting, for example, that the earth is going to turn into a ball of light and all physical matter will be dissolved.
Maybe it's a good thing that all the people Ed points out are actors and may or may not be telling the truth.
Be it true or not or in between, perhaps Ed's agenda (as well as the actors) is to wake us out of a trance of simply buying into what is broadcast as "official."
That's a healthy circumspection to have. But also don't be paranoid.
Just listen to your heart as (the actor playing the part of) George Cavassilas would tell you. Discern with your own thinking mind.
Then maybe you can become a broadcaster of "truth."
And Ed will then expose you for being an actor, which in actuality is what we all are - actors.
As Shakespeare likes to say and the rock band Rush likes to sing,
"All the world's indeed a stage, and we are merely players, performers and portrayers, each another's audience outside the guilded cage."