Juicing vs. Blending ?

[Unified Serenity]

What do you foodies think of this info? It makes sense to me that juicing is the more healthy method, and I want to move to a much higher veggie diet with just some meat. I am container gardening for now, but plan to re-establish my mother's old garden in the spring.


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[13th Warrior]

I fail to grasp the speakers point about the difference between a "proper" juicer and a blender in regards to proper food digestion?

Proper food digestion starts with saliva in the mouth being mixed into the food by the teeth; tell me how a "proper" juicer does this?

[Unified Serenity]

Interesting info on this product, is anyone here using it? I am interested in going high veggie diet for a while, and want some feedback on sprouting and certain products. How they taste, how you react to them etc.. Thanks for any tips and info:

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[Unified Serenity]

This guy makes a lot of sense to me to use a balance. Finding good organic foods that are affordable seems to be a big issue.

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[Strat]

Juicing specifically is something I am fascinated in. I don't know much on it now, but I'll be getting a book on it in the next few months when I'm done reading the books that I'm reading now. It seems to be a powerful tool, and if you know how to wield it the effects can be tremendous.

I eat a fairly high amount of veggies in my diet, it's actually challenging because I'm eating the same thing often. It's hard for me to mix it up with veggies, guess I'm not much of a cook. I grow my own food as well, because for 1 I like it, and 2 I like knowing how the plants were grown.

[greybeard]

My former partner used a juicer- it was horrendously expensive to buy.
Its much more powerful than a blender.
It really works a very high speed and therefore is supposed to be very healthy as all the nutrients are in a digestible form.

My former partner bought into a very expensive recipe course which was supposed to lead to enlightenment through purification of the body.
I would not go there.
The juice did taste good though.
Chris

[Unified Serenity]

Does anyone on here know the Marche sprouting method? I am interested in growing sprouts and I have no issue in paying to learn their system, but wanted to know if anyone here is doing it and how you would rate it.

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Juicing specifically is something I am fascinated in. I don't know much on it now, but I'll be getting a book on it in the next few months when I'm done reading the books that I'm reading now. It seems to be a powerful tool, and if you know how to wield it the effects can be tremendous.

I eat a fairly high amount of veggies in my diet, it's actually challenging because I'm eating the same thing often. It's hard for me to mix it up with veggies, guess I'm not much of a cook. I grow my own food as well, because for 1 I like it, and 2 I like knowing how the plants were grown.

I feel as you do about knowing where my food comes from and I just like watching the plants grow :D

I do know that cold press juicers are the best, and apparently per Gerson method, double pressed is the best. You can spend thousands on a good juicer, but I have seen plans on how you can make your own, or less expensive ones. The one's that cost the most are the easiest to use, but I am frugal.

[fathertedsmate]

juicing, releases the minerals/vitamines in a natural way, via pressure ,the stronger the jaws the more pressure, blending creates friction which creates heat which changes the molecular structure

[13th Warrior]

juicing, releases the minerals/vitamines in a natural way, via pressure ,the stronger the jaws the more pressure, blending creates friction which creates heat which changes the molecular structure

Pressure also creates heat, more pressure more heat.

[grapevine]

Hi US

As a former juicer but am about to start again . . . I found veg juice more beneficial than fruit juice although i used an apple base (as opposed to carrot or orange). Apple seems to blend in with other veg/fruit more easily and is naturally sweeter. Breakfast - 2 apples, half inch of beetroot, slice of lemon in the juicer and then into the blender with some crushed ice. Nothing better. And equal amounts of apple and pear and then in the blender with crushed ice or apple and lemon in the blender with crushed ice - heaven in a glass! But the cleaning up - OMG - that's what put me off. After a couple of weeks I noticed a heightened sense of smell, which was great with good smelling stuff but it was also heightened with the nasty niffs as well - pheweyy!. Never caught colds or was ill though . . Would recommend Jason Vale (Juicemaster) recipes . . . . Good luck - let us know how you get on :)

[onawah]

I worked and studied with Viktoras Kulvinskas and his late wife, Youkta, both live foods gurus, for about 5 years.
Viktoras was co-founder of the Hippocrates Health Institute with Ann Wigmore and is known as the "father of wheat grass therapy".
I live on a very small income, so I have worked at finding the simplest and most inexpensive ways of incorporating live and sprouted foods into my diet.
I own an Omega 8003 juicer which I quite like, which you can get for around $200.
It crushes the produce and doesn't heat it.
It's easy to clean and doesn't make a terrible noise like, for example, the Champion does.
You can juice wheat grass in it without even changing the parts, which is very handy for wheat grass juice lovers.
I sprout flax seed, chia seed, mung beans, lentils, sunflower seeds, almonds, clover, oat groats, pumpkin seeds regularly and incorporate them into a morning fresh fruit smoothie and a regular (but not nightly) vegie juice. I just use plastic or glass jars and keep it simple. I sprout things like beans and rice before I cook them, and cook over a low heat. Sprouted brown rice milk is delicious. Just put sprouted rice in a blender with water, strain, add a little honey and vanilla. It doesn't last long, so best to make small portions and drink right away.
I regularly use carrot, celery, bell pepper, beet, cucumber, cabbage,most any green, and garlic in my vegie juice.
I grow wheat and barley grass and sunflower and pea sprouts in trays which can be kept indoors with the proper lighting, or on my front porch in warmer weather.
I use Spirulina, Chlorella and Royal Peruvian Maca regularly as supplements, and I buy a box of 25-33 lbs. of fresh aloe vera leaves every month and include one whole leaf, peeled (weighing about a pound each) in my morning smoothie. These can be purchased in most Mexican markets in the US, or ordered and shipped via UPS from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
I drink whole raw milk, about 2 gallons a month, which I get from a local farmer, and I make it into kefir, which lasts much longer than plain milk and has lots of good probiotics in it.
I eat organic as much as I can, and avoid GMOs like the plague!
I take some other supplements like Krill Oil, Ubiquinol, Atomodine(a form of iodine recommended by Edgar Cayce), Vit. D3, Ionic Magnesium, Vit. C, Curcumin, Allicin, a Glucosamine Chondroitin joint formula, and proteolytic enzymes.
If I had a good garden space, I would certainly make good use of it, and spend more money on that than I am currently spending on supplements, I expect.
But I live in a duplex, and don't have the space, unfortunately.
I believe that if we grow our own food, we can ask the devic kingdom to provide the plants with the nutrition that we need, and that eliminates a lot of the more unnatural methods of maintaining health that a lot of people. myself included, have to resort to.
Hope that helps. I would be glad to answer any questions you might have if I can.
Best of luck!

[Cjay]

Great thread US. Thanks.

Regarding the OP and first video, what he says makes sense to me. My gut instinct tells me that we need to get back to NATURAL everything, as much as possible. To me, that means chewing (rather than juicing or blending) raw, organically grown food.

I will have to come back to this thread after a good long sleep and read the other posts and watch the rest of the videos.

[conk]

I worked and studied with Viktoras Kulvinskas and his late wife, Youkta, both live foods gurus, for about 5 years.
Viktoras was co-founder of the Hippocrates Health Institute with Ann Wigmore and is known as the "father of wheat grass therapy".
I live on a very small income, so I have worked at finding the simplest and most inexpensive ways of incorporating live and sprouted foods into my diet.
I own an Omega 8003 juicer which I quite like, which you can get for around $200.
It crushes the produce and doesn't heat it.
It's easy to clean and doesn't make a terrible noise like, for example, the Champion does.
You can juice wheat grass in it without even changing the parts, which is very handy for wheat grass juice lovers.
I sprout flax seed, chia seed, mung beans, lentils, sunflower seeds, almonds, clover, oat groats, pumpkin seeds regularly and incorporate them into a morning fresh fruit smoothie and a regular (but not nightly) vegie juice. I just use plastic or glass jars and keep it simple. I sprout things like beans and rice before I cook them, and cook over a low heat. Sprouted brown rice milk is delicious. Just put sprouted rice in a blender with water, strain, add a little honey and vanilla. It doesn't last long, so best to make small portions and drink right away.
I regularly use carrot, celery, bell pepper, beet, cucumber, cabbage,most any green, and garlic in my vegie juice.
I grow wheat and barley grass and sunflower and pea sprouts in trays which can be kept indoors with the proper lighting, or on my front porch in warmer weather.
I use Spirulina, Chlorella and Royal Peruvian Maca regularly as supplements, and I buy a box of 25-33 lbs. of fresh aloe vera leaves every month and include one whole leaf, peeled (weighing about a pound each) in my morning smoothie. These can be purchased in most Mexican markets in the US, or ordered and shipped via UPS from Aloe Labs in Harlingen, Texas.
I drink whole raw milk, about 2 gallons a month, which I get from a local farmer, and I make it into kefir, which lasts much longer than plain milk and has lots of good probiotics in it.
I eat organic as much as I can, and avoid GMOs like the plague!
I take some other supplements like Krill Oil, Ubiquinol, Atomodine(a form of iodine recommended by Edgar Cayce), Vit. D3, Ionic Magnesium, Vit. C, Curcumin, Allicin, a Glucosamine Chondroitin joint formula, and proteolytic enzymes.
If I had a good garden space, I would certainly make good use of it, and spend more money on that than I am currently spending on supplements, I expect.
But I live in a duplex, and don't have the space, unfortunately.
I believe that if we grow our own food, we can ask the devic kingdom to provide the plants with the nutrition that we need, and that eliminates a lot of the more unnatural methods of maintaining health that a lot of people. myself included, have to resort to.
Hope that helps. I would be glad to answer any questions you might have if I can.
Best of luck!Wow, I thought I was reading about myself there for a second. Good on you! You must certainly be in the best of health.

I use a VitaMix blender to create some of my drinks. I get the fiber and the broken cell wall nutrients, something a juicer can't do.........so I'm told. This will be gross to some, but I'll tell on myself anyway. I put some of my saliva into my drink (sounds better than saying spit, eh?) prior to drinking, because I usually drink it to quickly. This begins the digestion process in the glass, since it can't take place in my mouth. :nerd:

And sprouts are a mainstay of my diet. Eat them by the handsfull. People know better than to come to dinner at my house. "THATS what you eat daily"? Much different than the chemicals and garbage you eat, I reply. hehe

[PathWalker]

Thanks for the thread,

I use the Korean unbranded Omega-8005 Juicer called Oscar.
I have one juice in the morning of leaves and roots (carrots, beet, red cabbage, parsley, lettuce, broccoli, coriander, ginger). I am mixing and matching and constantly changing with the seasons.
I have second juice at night with fruits and leaves (apples, oranges, lemons, palmagrante, pears, strawberry..) what ever we have at the season.
Sometimes I make a third juice for I like it as well.

The benefits are:
1. Three times improved digestion of the nutrients, over eating.
2. Save me the time of feeding and preparing food.
3. Can endure the horrible leafy grassy elements by mixing with more dominating tastes.
4. Cost effective in the amount of juice per fruit.
5. Cut cost on food supplements. (Only consuming vitamin D3, and Omega 3 fat)

The disadvantages:
1. Cleaning after every use.
2. Have to cut and prepare the food for the juicer.
3. Cannot juice protein reach foods like nuts and beans, still have to eat them.
4. Keep diversifying always since the juices are extremely potent.
5. Still need to feed with fiber rich foods as well.

Bottom line,
Juicer assist me consuming 1 Kg salad a day with 2 glasses of juice.
It is very important to keep changing and diversify.
Some foods like banana are better in shakes then juice.
It is only part of the solution.

Joy and happiness
PathWalker

[leavesoftrees]

the thing you need to watch with juicing (and I am speaking from experience) is sugar. You don't normally sit down to eat 3 or 4 carrots, but this is what a glass of carrot juice would contain, and there is a lot of sugar in carrots (and in beetroots if you include them). It's important to be aware of using low sugar vegetables for juicing.

We used to have a Champion juicer back when I was doing juices

[Unified Serenity]

God, I'm starving! I haven't gotten off my duff to go buy organic veggies. I am almost out of turkey from thanksgiving, it was a darn good smoked bird, but I have hardly eaten much for days. I don't want processed crap, and I need to get some darn veggies. I hate shopping. Gotta figure out what to cook for dinner so I don't have the kids revolting on me!

[onawah]

For me, juicing is essential since I have TMJ and dentures.
Chewing the amount of fruits and vegies I need every day would be impossible.
From all I have heard and read from the experts in the live foods movement, you get more benefits from juicing than from say, Vitamixing (blending).
You get more nutrition and less bulk, so your body doesn't have to work so hard to digest, utilize.
If all organic produce is not available or cost prohibitive, another advantage of juicing, as I understand it, is that a lot of the pesticides, herbicides, etc. remain in the pulp when juicing.
I don't know why that is, but a lot of people have confirmed that, and I think it is based on scientific testing.

[angellight]

I juice and do green smoothies. I love the juice but, feel I get more diversity with a smoothie and it keeps me fuller longer. I really enjoy learning about nutrition. Green smoothie girl has a great program called twelve steps to whole foods that might interest you. I still occasionally eat meat and dairy but, green smoothies have really changed my life. A raw vegan diet fascinates me but, I really struggle with raw because I live in a cold climate. So, for right now I'm raw until noon many days even until dinner.

[DevilPigeon]

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There are 2 main types of juicer, both have benefits/disadvantages...

Centrifugal

Pros

Cheaper than masticating
Slightly easier to clean
Good tasting juice
Faster than masticating


Cons

Juice not as nutritious as from a masticating juicer
Slightly more pulp evident in juice
Juice needs to be consumed pretty much straight away
More foam produced than with masticating


Masticating (single or twin gear)

Pros

Superb quality juice
Less pulp in juice than centrifugal
Juice can be stored longer than with centrifugal
Less foam than with a centrifugal


Cons

More expensive
A pain to clean
Slower juicing process


A centrifugal juicer is basically a very high speed rotating grater, the pulp whizzes off into a mulch container whereas the juice falls through the grates and out through a tube to a cup/jug... Due to the speed, there's more heat involved (friction) which slightly degrades the juice, meaning it's not as good as a masticating juicer and needs to be consumed pretty much immediately.

A masticating juicer is basically a corkscrew type mechanism that squeezes the food against a grille, the pulp going one way and the juice through the grates. It's a low speed affair, meaning the quality of the juice is superior with less foam produced and less heat introduced, meaning little degradation and hence longer storage potential.

You'll need to be a die-hard juicer though, as I warn you both methods are a pain to clean afterwards....! The novelty can soon wear off, trust me on this.

[vibrations]

I fail to grasp the speakers point about the difference between a "proper" juicer and a blender in regards to proper food digestion?

Proper food digestion starts with saliva in the mouth being mixed into the food by the teeth; tell me how a "proper" juicer does this?

I have to agree 100% with Mr.Warrior, everything starts with saliva which is the main factor in a pre-process of the food we digest. Masticating the food is a natural and as I believe most perfect way of eating stuff. After about 20-30 masticates of the food goes properly
prepared to the stomach where the digestion is mach more easy thanks to the enzymes introduced by saliva. But we are all lazy and it's so comfortable to believe some TV salesman than doing the right thing.

[DevilPigeon]

I fail to grasp the speakers point about the difference between a "proper" juicer and a blender in regards to proper food digestion?

Proper food digestion starts with saliva in the mouth being mixed into the food by the teeth; tell me how a "proper" juicer does this?

I have to agree 100% with Mr.Warrior, everything starts with saliva which is the main factor in a pre-process of the food we digest. Masticating the food is a natural and as I believe most perfect way of eating stuff. After about 20-30 masticates of the food goes properly
prepared to the stomach where the digestion is mach more easy thanks to the enzymes introduced by saliva. But we are all lazy and it's so comfortable to believe some TV salesman than doing the right thing.

Indeed, plus the act of masticating (oo-er matron! ;)) is an early-warning system for the stomach, alerting it that food is on the way.... Juicing bypasses that mechanism, so you may find you get indigestion and/or how shall I put it.... Gas.

:)

[onawah]

I've been juicing regularly for 20 years now and have never had a problem with gas or indigestion.
I did a 50 day juice fast once,lost a whole lot of weight and felt marvelous.
I included Spirulina, garlic, ginger and bee pollen in my juice, and sprouted alfalfa and clover.
I drank lots of water, and if I got hungry and couldn't get home in time for juice, I would eat an apple.
I worked out every other day for about 2 hours and was on a natural high all the time.
After the first couple of days, I felt no hunger.
Nothing bothered me or "stuck" to me.
It was made much easier to adhere to fasting because I made a pact with a friend to do it for a month, but I was able to continue longer, even after my friend stopped.
The hardest part was weaning myself back onto solid food slowly.
Everything tasted so heavenly!
I kept the weight off for a long time and it really was a life changing experience.
It cleaned a lot of toxins out of my body and I looked and felt a lot younger. :brushteeth:
I'm about due for another one!
:nod:

[Chumley]

Juicing extracts the liquids and leaves the "pulp" behind. You can use this for pies and such. When using veggies a little celery added gives it a little zip. I think it is best consumed on the spot in a freezer chilled glass.

[Unified Serenity]

Is there an easy way to make ionized water or Kangen water?

[onawah]

I would steer clear of Kangen water, if you are referring to the water purification system made by the Enagic company.
I have a friend who bought one and regretted it. Drinking too much alkaline water can make you sick, and you really don't have to pay that much money for clean water.
From all the reading I've done on subject like these, I think Jon Barron does the best and most in depth research.
Here's a link for an article by him about alkaline and ionized water.
http://www.jonbarron.org/natural-health/nl101004/alkaline-water-dr-mercola

[markpierre]

I'd better slip this in here if you're serious Serenity. In the vid he was talking about that slow 'chewing/grinding' action like your teeth. The most common type of juicers used are centrifugal, because they're relatively cheap and they're fast.
They also demolish the pulp so much that they demolish a lot of the value of the food.

The type he's referring to is the 'cold press' type. Centrifugal shreds the pulp and throws the juice through the screen like the spin cycle of your laundry. A cold press juicer has a powerful geared down motor and crushes the pulp with an auger, squeezing it dry. That's the action he was referring to. That keeps the juice relatively true to it's form in the plant. One important issue is that it preserves the enzymes, where a centrifugal apparently destroys them.
It's worth a little research to see how nutritionists compare them.

The other upside is that they're generally much easier to clean. I had a good quality Brevell centrifugal, and was so put off by the clean up that it eventually found it's way back to the high cupboard.

The downside is that it's 3-5 times more expensive to purchase, and it works much slower. That's enough of a put-off for some people that It's back to the usual criteria , 'cheap and fast' for another evaluation.

I did work for a company that sold juicers for a while. I can't recommend the company on the basis of its integrity, but I learned enough to make up for it by always giving customers the best advice for them.
You don't sell as many juicers that way, but oh well.

But there is a brand and model that I'd recommend.

Cheers! Smacznego! (a polish girlfriend used to say that)

[Connecting with Sauce]

For those interested in jucing the new slow screw vertical types Omega do one called a 350 HD ... Youtube has some good comparisons....

I have a horizontal style screw type which is for the amount I juice is perfectly acceptable... when we make apple cider vinegar and it is juicing for quite a period it does get a little warm in the motor...

John

[ThresholdRising]

You should look up information on spirulina. Really good for you and cheap too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holiday-Promotion-Organic-Spirulina-Powder-1000g-2-2LB-Energy-Chlorophyll-/330647203779?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfc1befc3

[Unified Serenity]

You should look up information on spirulina. Really good for you and cheap too.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Holiday-Promotion-Organic-Spirulina-Powder-1000g-2-2LB-Energy-Chlorophyll-/330647203779?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4cfc1befc3

I always keep an eye out for good supplements. Spirulina tastes funky. I have used royal jelly, spirulina, colloidal vitamins and minerals, I make my own colloidal silver and use a nebulizer for any lung issues and quick into the blood remedies. I know there is no majic bullet. I know I am going to have to work at this. I intend to get a decent cold press. We don't eat nearly the amount of meat we used to eat.

If you know of a really really good super food that is an absolute must have let me know, especially if I can grow it. God, I feel like I'm going to become a cow.

[grapevine]

Have you heard of Kombucha Serenity? That really is the most super food of all although it's a drink . . . . it turned my life around a few years ago and I stopped using it because I was making more than I could use . . . but it's good, really good.