Spiritual encounters of all kind - war for souls

[greybeard]

You missed the point ;)

Screwtape letters --- I read long time ago something similar but from Lav Nikolayevich Tolstoy...
I can not remember the name of the 30 page text but it was hilarious :p and got him out of the Russian orthodox church ...
It was about how devil held a meeting with demons and questioned them how they deceive the people... Needless to say how Tolstoy wrote many truths there and thus Church immediately threw him out ever since...

But I think he does not give a damn... :pound:


Point was if you imagine yourself being heavily attacked because you were enlightening the people , how would you react?
For example, you have a friend whom you wish good . And you try subtly for years to help to be the light and finally he reject that and accuse you of his worst enemy and tries to destroy every thing that you were building together for years... how would you react?

There is a saying "Good riddance to bad rubbish" now I wouldn't go that far but everything happens for our own good, so its just time to forgive and move on.
We seem to be in a time of moving on in all kinds of relationships, Eckhart Tolle says "Relationships are not there at this present time to make you happy but to dissolve your ego."
Only the ego can take things personally and be hurt. Sadness and compassion are of a different thing. We can feel temporarily a little sad at the way things have turned out leading to acceptance, leading to compassion and forgiveness for the other.
If they knew better they would do better.
Love Chris

[Anchor]

Point was if you imagine yourself being heavily attacked because you were enlightening the people , how would you react?
For example, you have a friend whom you wish good . And you try subtly for years to help to be the light and finally he reject that and accuse you of his worst enemy and tries to destroy every thing that you were building together for years... how would you react?

I see.

I would move on. Friendship in this reality is temporal, relationships come and go, usually to serve some purpose both for ourselves and the overal "plan"

[Beren]

I see.

I would move on. Friendship in this reality is temporal, relationships come and go, usually to serve some purpose both for ourselves and the overal "plan"


This is very wise statement. :-)

I think I would do the same. In the past I did not understood whole concept, simply some things were missing from my peek whole into the universe...
Now the gaze in broader my friend.
:-)

Truly nothing comes by accident and I value your inputs ever since last September when I joined old Avalon.

Now , I have another question;
you face the heat from someone, whom you want to be in that moment?
Avenger?
The one who mourn?
God's son,
The one who forgives and fully loves?

[Beren]

Only the ego can take things personally and be hurt.
If they knew better they would do better.
Love Chris

Then our job is to help them to know better.

:cool:

[greybeard]

Then our job is to help them to know better.

:cool:

If only it was that easy Beren. Think I posted something on the ego thread recently that covers it.
What would I do?
In difficult situations I ask myself. What would Jesus do?
I think there was only one recorded incident where He expressed "Righteous anger"
He saw the situation as almost taking the Lords name in vain or at least His word
It wasn't personal.
We all act according to our spiritual vibration and it is not easy to raise that.
Man rarely learns by gentle reminders.
Regards Chris

[Beren]

Chris,
it`s never easy because of free will.
But during the process the one who helps also learns or remembers many good things.
Surely God`s ways are magnificent !
;)

[Beren]

It all sums in very few words or sentences.
We are called to become sons & daughters of God.
To be as God.
Christ and Father are one and we are invited to be one with them.

All in all only Father knows what will happen and what choices the souls will take.
Who ever choose light will reap all what light sows.
Who ever choose darkness will reap what darkness sows.

I choose light.

[Anchor]

Now , I have another question;
you face the heat from someone, whom you want to be in that moment?
Avenger?
The one who mourn?
God's son,
The one who forgives and fully loves?

What I am and what I want are two different things. I am glad you asked what I want :)

I want to be the last one on your list.

John..

[Beren]

What I am and what I want are two different things. I am glad you asked what I want :)

I want to be the last one on your list.

John..

Then welcome brother :-)

[Initiate]

Hi Guys,

For several months now I have been on the inner path and through various dreams and encounters ended up with A spiritual teacher that I communicate with via skype. Many times now after a skype session with this teacher I have had an unusual encounter. My teacher claims to have no involvement in this encounter and only mentioned that it "Sounds Cosmic". this is what happens:

My Computer started to drive itself. various windows I have open switch to the foreground. The start menu pops up and hides. If I open microsoft Word then the following is typed into it (the case of the unseen hand):

message =
Mes.c = ch
;
Me.t=ti
Mes
;
Ter

It is definite that a message is being communicated but the meaning is uncertain. They seem like either chemical formula but If I google "Me.t=ti" it takes me to google books and a couple of passages in the bible. One is Moses last song before he died. The other is Pual's Second letter to the Corintians chapter 2 and 3. There is a link between this passages in that God's people were seen by Moses in prophesy to forgo their God and turn to worship demon's and idols. Then God would scatter them to the four winds. Then trials would be allowed on these Souls if they chose to return to God. Paul stated that strength would be given through Jesus Christ to go through these trials and that without Christ we could not get through these trials and they would be blinded to the truth. The Law's only purpose now is to show that we sin but through Christ these sins can be overcome.

If anyone has any other meaning to this message it would be much appreciated.

[Beren]

Hi Guys,

For several months now I have been on the inner path and through various dreams and encounters ended up with A spiritual teacher that I communicate with via skype. Many times now after a skype session with this teacher I have had an unusual encounter. My teacher claims to have no involvement in this encounter and only mentioned that it "Sounds Cosmic". this is what happens:

My Computer started to drive itself. various windows I have open switch to the foreground. The start menu pops up and hides. If I open microsoft Word then the following is typed into it (the case of the unseen hand):

message =
Mes.c = ch
;
Me.t=ti
Mes
;
Ter

It is definite that a message is being communicated but the meaning is uncertain. They seem like either chemical formula but If I google "Me.t=ti" it takes me to google books and a couple of passages in the bible. One is Moses last song before he died. The other is Pual's Second letter to the Corintians chapter 2 and 3. There is a link between this passages in that God's people were seen by Moses in prophesy to forgo their God and turn to worship demon's and idols. Then God would scatter them to the four winds. Then trials would be allowed on these Souls if they chose to return to God. Paul stated that strength would be given through Jesus Christ to go through these trials and that without Christ we could not get through these trials and they would be blinded to the truth. The Law's only purpose now is to show that we sin but through Christ these sins can be overcome.

If anyone has any other meaning to this message it would be much appreciated.


Hi ,

When you look from this distance about that past ,all was like a reminder to them .
In their state of current being they were quite low and primitive.
That's why God needed a bit of simple to the bone way of communicating with them.

Christ came in one point and elevated conscience of many and still is.

We are like babies , many things we still do not understand . It's almost like the situation with six year olds ..they can talk with you and ask many clever and good questions but then you are in trouble of how to explain in terms that they will understand !

One thing is sure everyone is unique and we are all from the same Father.
It's just in his love,Father chooses to communicate with all his kids on the way each one of us would understand...

;):phone:

[greybeard]

Way back in time people invented a primitive paranoid god who they though wanted human or animal sacrifices.
they had to be given a strict code of conduct fear based or they would have acted out every selfish act under the sun which they were prone to do.
Even yet some think god has human characteristics and needs to be appeased.
Jesus came and share with humanity the true nature of God -- Unconditional love--- many haven't got that yet.
Fear and Love cant co-exist
I choose Love

chris

[Beren]

Way back in time people invented a primitive paranoid god who they though wanted human or animal sacrifices.
they had to be given a strict code of conduct fear based or they would have acted out every selfish act under the sun which they were prone to do.
Even yet some think god has human characteristics and needs to be appeased.
Jesus came and share with humanity the true nature of God -- Unconditional love--- many haven't got that yet.
Fear and Love cant co-exist
I choose Love

chris

Chris,
remember what Jesus said that in the last days there will be a flood of false teachings and teachers wishing to deceive the elect if possible?
I understand that as the clash between love and fear.

When a person reaches a moment of choice between love and fear ,a huge stress is present.
Love is the only thing that is. But ego do not believe that thus raising the alarm of false threat when you are about to choose.
Many chose fear simply because they lack faith.
Faith to see unseen. Faith to feel beyond the border of all.

Fear is a root cause of human suffering.

Perfect love destroys fear.
I choose love.

:p

[Initiate]

I had the same thing happen again yesterday. The same message:

message =

mes.c = ch
;
me.t = ti
;

Upon further research and meditation into these messages I have concluded that the messages relate to consciousness theory.

mes refers to massless extremals. c is a property of mes which relates to the velocity of light. I am still studying a theory which relates to TGD but it seems related.
http://tgd.wippiespace.com/public_html/tgdconsc/tgdconsc.html

It incorperates higher selves, quantum particle physics etc.



The quantum notion of self solved some longstanding problems of TGD inspired theory of
consciousness and led to a breakthrough in quantum theory of consciousness. Self is identied as
a sub-system able to not generate bound state entanglement during quantum jumps. Generation
of bound state entanglement leads to a loss of consciousness whereas negentropic entanglement
possible in the intersection of real and p-adic worlds involves experience about expansion of
consciousness.
....


Interesting stuff......

[Beren]

Time is quickened , lies are being unleashed with greater tempo. Fear is upon humanity these days.
This is the moment and the hour when we are to raise our defenses against these circumstances;
Love our Father as he is loving us.
Love all others and let us be the mirrors of light where they can look upon and hopefully change for better.
Let us love and be love, for who ever loves, he/she is of light - of love - of God.

[Beren]

Again I think the need behind why I started this thread is back again, maybe never left. Again we have a flood of influences on us. Threads rising like mushrooms after rain about this and that related about ascension or finding the truth.
I do not say that this is bad , on the contrary it can be very useful for those who are starting their awakening journey. But a word of caution; do not believe every "inspired" text of video. Agendas are various and often straying ones. Simply some souls that are dealing in various dimensions are ones whom chose weird paths. They will reap their consequences good or bad, but do not reap their consequences with them!
Live your own life and seek to unite your soul to be on same spiritual level or longitude of God.
After all we are all his children...

[truthseekerdan]

But a word of caution; do not believe every "inspired" text of video. Agendas are various and often straying ones. Simply some souls that are dealing in various dimensions are ones whom chose weird paths. They will reap their consequences good or bad, but do not reap their consequences with them!
Live your own life and seek to unite your soul to be on same spiritual level or longitude of God.
After all we are all his children...

I totally agree with you on this one Beren. :)
Trust your 'heart within' (intuition), and not your mind (dualistic reptilian brain). ;)
Also don't be afraid to ask 'your higher self' (true self) for guidance and wisdom in everything you do.

HbiZlF0V4O8

:love:

[Beren]

Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

[truthseekerdan]

Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?
Dear Beren,

Thank you for asking these questions. What I understand at this time is that 'evil spirits' are allowed for one's spiritual growth in this 3D reality.
Remember that we are spiritual begins (God-essence), 'living' and having experiences in a human dualistic limited body (separated good & evil).
Now, when one's mind consciousness is based on negativity (fear, etc), that person's consciousness takes on shapes and forms (evil spirits, satan consciousness).
It can even manifest in material forms such as monsters, demons, etc. However, all these are just mental thought illusions manifested from fear.

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

Are you worried? Do you have many "what if" thoughts? You are identified with your mind, which is projecting itself into an imaginary future situation and creating fear. There is no way that you can cope with such a situation, because it doesn't exist. It's a mental phantom.
You can stop this health and life corroding insanity simply by acknowledging the present moment. Connecting within your heart with your true God-essence (Christ), has the power to liberate one's consciousness from negative thought forms, and stay protected from 'evil spirits'.
Like David Icke said it beautifully: "The only Truth is Infinite Love, everything else is just illusion".

There is nothing personal in this: I am not teaching you. You are consciousness, and you are listening to yourself.
There is an Eastern saying: "The teacher and the taught together create the teaching." In any case, the words in themselves are not important. They are not the Truth; they only point to it.
If you did not have a chance to read The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle, I strongly recommend it.

Love, and to your enlightenment,

Dan

[Beren]

Dan,
Thanks for insightful answer. I already think so , just needed to see a different perspective from you. Love is infinite and if you remember a quote from Bible where it is stated just like that- God is Love.
The thing is understanding it all in this current 3D life is a bit heavy task.
But little by little Father reveals truth and itself to all.
We are of him ,we are souls that are part of THE soul- God. We will do greater thing ,Jesus said that.
It's like growing from a babies to men or women. When I was a baby I couldn't speak properly and do 99% of things that I am doing it today without even thinking about them.
So in according time I will do things even greater than Jesus did without even realizing that it was even hard to do it.
All in its own time.

And here exactly lies the trouble for all of us; a knowledge that comes prematurely. Some wish that knowledge now by any cost so that they can rule over others or over physicality.
And in God's eye's that' a no no.
I mean sure you can trick someone to get that, be it a spirit or flesh but you will be returned back by God to learn a lesson. NO one ,and I mean NO ONE can trick God ,or get by in the universe.
You think you succeeded with getting by or twisting or bending the truth but on the next corner you are faced with your twisting and bending.
And it will always be like that until you decide to get all right.

Be blessed friend!

[wynderer]

Dan,
what do you think about this;
are those spirits that are tempting us or suggestion various things or show in our lives on various places, are they there for our growth?
I mean are they supposed to do all this in order that we with each situation and each decision learn or remember something important?

SO that depending our choice ,we either go this or that way...
Maybe if they weren't affecting us on various ways, we wouldn't actually grow into sons and daughters of God?
I hope you understand where I go with this...

Hi Beren -- hope you don't mind if i also answer a question you asked of Dan --

i actually think it is a lie of the darkside, that we in human bodies need struggle/pain/conflict/war/etc/etc to grow into who we already are -- Children of God & Beings of Light

it's a huge, multi-dimensional, infinite & eternal Universe -- it's my intuition [maybe memory] that most of Creation is ruled by Love, that Creation is mostly a manifestation of Love, the Creator, God --

planet Earth is pretty much under the control of dark beings -- if Alec Collier, Marshall Vian Summers, & others are correct, in at least part of this 3D physical galaxy, the same war is going on between those who serve the Light & those who serve the dark [or between STO & STS, to use different terminology] --

but this is only on the lower dimensions, & in a teeny tiny part of the infinite Universe

this goes along w/the idea of reincarnation being a great way to learn Love -- supposedly by being both oppressors & the oppressed, we learn that it is not nice to be mean to others -- if this is true, i have to wonder just how stupid humans are -- even if it's just this recorded round of history, surely humans should have learned by now?

& Dan , i don't agree that demons, etc are just manifestations of our minds -- Jesus Christ did not teach that -- He came in part as a Warrior against very real forces of darkness -- He came to 3D/4D Earth precisely because they are here -- they aren't everywhere, true, but here i am, here you are, here Beren is, etc -- when it's time for all of us to be in those darkside-free other dimensions, we'll be there

[truthseekerdan]

Dan,
Thanks for insightful answer. I already think so , just needed to see a different perspective from you. Love is infinite and if you remember a quote from Bible where it is stated just like that- God is Love.

You're welcome Beren. Again don't rely on your mind, but trust what you feel within your heart, because it's coming from your True-Self (Love).

The thing is understanding it all in this current 3D life is a bit heavy task.
But little by little Father reveals truth and itself to all.

I agree that to fully understand 'our 3D dualistic nature' it's confusing to say the least, due to the limitations imposed.
We agreed to enter this 'reality' fully knowing in advance that it's going to be a battle (good & evil), but we are given Free Will.
Even though we don't remember in this body who we really are, that shouldn't stop 'one' (us) to seek for the answers (truth).

We are of him ,we are souls that are part of THE soul- God. We will do greater thing ,Jesus said that.
It's like growing from a babies to men or women. When I was a baby I couldn't speak properly and do 99% of things that I am doing it today without even thinking about them.
So in according time I will do things even greater than Jesus did without even realizing that it was even hard to do it.
All in its own time.

Beren, let me ask you this question: What is it easier for one to do given the choice - Help someone in need, or be selfish?
If you answered this question sincerely, you'll probably know the difference between a child and an 'educated' adult. :)
So, by educating (spiritually) a child to become an adult is like an analogy between 'good' (Christ consciousness) and evil (satan consciousness (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?860-The-Ego-what-is-it-How-to-transcend-it.&p=22990&viewfull=1#post22990)).
Now, tell me what this world 'we live' in compares to, and you'll have your answer why 'greater things' that Jesus' spoke of don't happen (at least not yet).

And here exactly lies the trouble for all of us; a knowledge that comes prematurely. Some wish that knowledge now by any cost so that they can rule over others or over physicality.
And in God's eye's that' a no no.

There is no trouble Beren, the mind is speaking. ;) Knowledge is there now to be discovered by 'premature' souls. Are we looking for it in the right place?
That's where the 'rulers' have an advantage, and want to keep it that way, so that the babies (us) don't become matured adults to 'spoil their control'...

I mean sure you can trick someone to get that, be it a spirit or flesh but you will be returned back by God to learn a lesson. NO one ,and I mean NO ONE can trick God ,or get by in the universe.

You are referring to the laws of the 'wheel of karma' (http://hubpages.com/hub/The-12-Laws-Of-Karma). As long as one has this 'baggage attached' will have to re-incarnate...

You think you succeeded with getting by or twisting or bending the truth but on the next corner you are faced with your twisting and bending.
And it will always be like that until you decide to get all right.

Here comes the 'free will' in play, you either grow up or decide to stay a baby, and be taken care by the 'rulers'. ;)


Be blessed friend!

Dear Beren, to find more answers to your questions, I suggest that you read this fascinating book online here. (http://rune.galactic.to/iarga.html)
You'll find more answers especially in the second part of the book. Remember to read it with an 'open mind'. :)
The words in themselves are not important, nor they are the Truth, they only point to it.



& Dan , i don't agree that demons, etc are just manifestations of our minds -- Jesus Christ did not teach that -- He came in part as a Warrior against very real forces of darkness -- He came to 3D/4D Earth precisely because they are here -- they aren't everywhere, true, but here i am, here you are, here Beren is, etc -- when it's time for all of us to be in those darkside-free other dimensions, we'll be there

@wynderer, I respect your opinion my friend, but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?
If you answer that those teachings are in the current bible, (http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/showthread.php?32-How-complete-accurate-is-the-today-s-Bible) you might be misleading yourself.
Like you said the "real forces of darkness", don't want the Light (knowledge) to come out.

Namaste,

Dan

[wynderer]

Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

[greybeard]

Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

[THIRDEYE]

ive expierienced seeing spirits at a young age,,about 5 to be correct,and the spiritsive encountered were ones of light,however i have felt the presence of darkness,and when they have seem to slow in my life as i got older.....every morning i do intentions and surround myself in a bubble of gold light and this seem to keep the darkness away from me...with love,light and abundance....thirdeye

[wynderer]

Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

i wondered where you were, Chris -- good to see you back

[Beren]

Eventually the simplicity of it all becomes clear and the books and teachers set aside.
They are very necessary till you know they are your very own Self.
The teacher and the taught are the same consciousness, the same presence. the same awareness.
Just being what I truly am in the present moment.
Still and at ease, aware.
The teachings of Eckhart and others have served me well.
Chris

Yes, Chris.
I realize that even without reading Tolle or any of the similar things.
I am the living example of if you want to know truth and want that from God and Christ ,you will be helped.
I realized so many things and stuff just by simply asking God.

I didn`t understand all at the beginning but I saw love of Father during the process of my learning or remembering.
I treasure thus Bible more and more since I discover amazing and beautiful things over and over again Chris!
Pieces start to fall in, puzzles are smoothly sliding in , picture is being actively framing for me. Just because I directly ask Creator of the universe!
Amazing and beautiful! It brings tear of joy to my eyes!
I consciously decided long time ago and am sticking to it - to always go directly to the core of the matter with God. No less no more- with God.
And he answered me and helped me! And he is always there as loving father in ways I wouldn't imagine so far.

And I feel peace and love and I understand that we are all one and also many in God `s creation. Love is all that is .
Because God is love.
All that we suffer or have as an experience is just temporary thing.
Spirit is eternal and we are of that spirit -of Father.

And writing all this in one breath now, I am still deeply amazed and saddened of how people still dismiss the great gift of God -Bible. How they miss the opportunity to find such an amazing truth and love and all there, how they fail to see above man made religions (usurpers of Bible) ...

Always we are ready to bash and trash the very word of God.
We argue that it was changed or badly translated but do we actually read it?
Do we let God to show us the very truth in it , and for the end how can we say that we want to be one with Father when we dismiss the very word of him?

God made inspired many to write good things and Bible is one of the most valuable if not the book.It contains layers and things so deep that all combine teachers that ever existed would have to bow down before God and his work. No wonder why many lost their lives by persecution because they wanted to give Bible on native languages of people.

But I will not talk any more about Bible . I will talk about being one with God.
How?

Just right this moment start talking with God.
It`s that simple.

There is no need for techincs of meditation, or anything that is suggested here on Avalon or anywhere in the whole Earth! Not that it`s bad, but it`s not necessary.
It`s that simple- right now start talking with your Heavenly Father .
Say hello to him for the first time in your life like you would say hello to your brother or friend.
Ask him how he feels, what he is doing now. Ask him for protection, light ,love wisdom,-now!

It`s that easy. It`s easier than to get up from the chair and pour a water in your glass!!!

Father is and will be always there for you and me -his children.
That is the only infinite truth - Father loves us.
Let us leave this silly belief that Father can not be there for us always. That he is far away and hardly reachable.
He loves us just like loving parent. How many times you as a baby would cry and run into your parents room and they `d instantly took you in?
Or whenever you wanted to be in your parent`s arms so badly ,that they would not receive you?

It`s same with our Father! It`s the same!!! Same!!!
Let us be free! Be free and let us reach our hands and hearts and soul to our Creator! Now !

I don't want to wait until tomorrow ,I want to be with my Father now and forever in every possible way!

Love , Love and see what happens!

[wynderer]

Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

a PS: 'but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?' -- may i also ask what is your idea of the right place to look?

i think you'll say 'within' -- i sometimes wonder if this is a human way of grasping reality -- what so many call 'within' [& therefore get confused & think they are God] to me is reclaiming my natural awareness of other dimensions/states of being -- which i did not create -- i influence them as i partake in the dance of life w/all the other created beings around me at any given time, but i didn't create them -- it think this is a peculiarly Earth human idea, that you are God -- probably because you all focus on each other so much, & seldom think about that infinite & eternal Universe out there

¤=[Post Update]=¤


Yes, Chris.
I realize that even without reading Tolle or any of the similar things.
I am the living example of if you want to know truth and want that from God and Christ ,you will be helped.
I realized so many things and stuff just by simply asking God.

I didn`t understand all at the beginning but I saw love of Father during the process of my learning or remembering.
I treasure thus Bible more and more since I discover amazing and beautiful things over and over again Chris!
Pieces start to fall in, puzzles are smoothly sliding in , picture is being actively framing for me. Just because I directly ask Creator of the universe!
Amazing and beautiful! It brings tear of joy to my eyes!
I consciously decided long time ago and am sticking to it - to always go directly to the core of the matter with God. No less no more- with God.
And he answered me and helped me! And he is always there as loving father in ways I wouldn't imagine so far.

And I feel peace and love and I understand that we are all one and also many in God `s creation. Love is all that is .
Because God is love.
All that we suffer or have as an experience is just temporary thing.
Spirit is eternal and we are of that spirit -of Father.

And writing all this in one breath now, I am still deeply amazed and saddened of how people still dismiss the great gift of God -Bible. How they miss the opportunity to find such an amazing truth and love and all there, how they fail to see above man made religions (usurpers of Bible) ...

Always we are ready to bash and trash the very word of God.
We argue that it was changed or badly translated but do we actually read it?
Do we let God to show us the very truth in it , and for the end how can we say that we want to be one with Father when we dismiss the very word of him?

God made inspired many to write good things and Bible is one of the most valuable if not the book.It contains layers and things so deep that all combine teachers that ever existed would have to bow down before God and his work. No wonder why many lost their lives by persecution because they wanted to give Bible on native languages of people.

But I will not talk any more about Bible . I will talk about being one with God.
How?

Just right this moment start talking with God.
It`s that simple.

There is no need for techincs of meditation, or anything that is suggested here on Avalon or anywhere in the whole Earth! Not that it`s bad, but it`s not necessary.
It`s that simple- right now start talking with your Heavenly Father .
Say hello to him for the first time in your life like you would say hello to your brother or friend.
Ask him how he feels, what he is doing now. Ask him for protection, light ,love wisdom,-now!

It`s that easy. It`s easier than to get up from the chair and pour a water in your glass!!!

Father is and will be always there for you and me -his children.
That is the only infinite truth - Father loves us.
Let us leave this silly belief that Father can not be there for us always. That he is far away and hardly reachable.
He loves us just like loving parent. How many times you as a baby would cry and run into your parents room and they `d instantly took you in?
Or whenever you wanted to be in your parent`s arms so badly ,that they would not receive you?

It`s same with our Father! It`s the same!!! Same!!!
Let us be free! Be free and let us reach our hands and hearts and soul to our Creator! Now !

I don't want to wait until tomorrow ,I want to be with my Father now and forever in every possible way!

Love , Love and see what happens!

a lot of people who criticize the Bible have never read it -- it is p.c. in newage circles to diss the Bible, it seems

[truthseekerdan]

Dan , not meaning this in a confronting or hostile way -- truly -- but your posts -- you are kind of coming across as someone who has a lot of answers -- so may i ask your background, your spiritual background?

I don't have a lot of answers, but a lot of questions. :) It's all about who to ask, and where to look.
My friend you'll find a little more about my spiritual background at this link. (http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/showthread.php?16-What-is-truth-and-how-where-can-we-find-it&p=29&viewfull=1)


a PS: 'but are you looking in the right place for the Jesus' core teachings?' -- may i also ask what is your idea of the right place to look?

i think you'll say 'within' -- i sometimes wonder if this is a human way of grasping reality -- what so many call 'within' [& therefore get confused & think they are God] to me is reclaiming my natural awareness of other dimensions/states of being

It is the spiritual way of grasping reality, the human way is through the mind (brain only). As you may know, you are not just human even if the mind might 'force you' to think otherwise. You (us humans) are the smallest part (self-awareness) of The I AM infinite consciousness we call God, etc.

-- which i did not create -- i influence them as i partake in the dance of life w/all the other created beings around me at any given time, but i didn't create them -- it think this is a peculiarly Earth human idea, that you are God -- probably because you all focus on each other so much, & seldom think about that infinite & eternal Universe out there

My friend, since you believe that the bible is 100% correct (this is what I understand), have you read the following words by Jesus found in John 10:34-35 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2010:34-35&version=NKJV) which he quotes from Psalm 82. (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm%2082:6&version=NKJV) You'll probably be amazed...


a lot of people who criticize the Bible have never read it -- it is p.c. in newage circles to diss the Bible, it seems

The bible is a very good reading for those who actually understand it. (2 Corinthians 3:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Cor.3:5-6&version=NKJV); Mark 8:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:18&version=NIV))

Love to you and to your enlightenment, :yes2:

Dan

[greybeard]

For myself the Bible was only skimed and a distant childhood memory.
My main early source was reading the accounts of mainly Indian enlightened ones.
They all said the same thing. God is Love and we are all waves of the Divine Ocean.
Every enlightened Sage has said the same thing since time began, that is Ultimate Truth.
Its good to find Truth coming from many enlightened sources, its like a cross check.
The Presence of God is within, nothing needs to be added only obstacles to the Truth need to be removed.
More information is not required, but one has to go through a lot of it first to confirm the validity of Truth, such is the nature of human mind.
The presence of God/higher Self is to be found within. Christ said it, Krishna said it they all say it.
The books and sages can only point to this eternal Truth.
Its up to us to find the Presence within for ourselves.l
The sun is allways there and when the clouds/obstacles are removed it shines forth.
Through Devotion, humility,asking God to remove the obstacles the illumined Self also shines forth in Oneness with God, that is enlightenment.
Free of the bondage and ignorance of duality, only God is.
Chris
Namaste

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Chris, great to have 'your wisdom sharing' here as well. Thank you for contributing. :)

The following excerpt that I want to share with you all, is from The Power of Now by Eckhart Tolle. (http://eckharttolle.com/)


Christ: The Reality Of Your Divine Presence

Don't get attached to any one word. You can substitute "Christ" for presence, if that is
more meaningful to you. Christ is your God essence or the Self, as it is sometimes
called in the East. The only difference between Christ and presence is that Christ
refers to your indwelling divinity regardless of whether you are conscious of it or not,
whereas presence means your awakened divinity or God-essence.
Many misunderstandings and false beliefs about Christ will clear if you realize that
there is no past or future in Christ. To say that Christ was or will be is a contradiction
in terms. Jesus was. He was a man who lived two thousand years ago and realized
divine presence, his true nature. And so he said: "Before Abraham was, I am." He did
not say: "I already existed before Abraham was born." That would have meant that he
was still within. the dimension of time and form identity. The words Iam used in a
sentence that starts in the past tense indicate a radical shift, a discontinuity in the
temporal dimension. It is a Zen-like statement of great profundity. Jesus attempted to
convey directly, not through discursive thought, the meaning of presence, of self
realization. He had gone beyond the consciousness dimension governed by time, into
the realm of the timeless. The dimension of eternity had come into this world.
Eternity, of course, does not mean endless time, but no time. Thus, the man Jesus
became Christ, a vehicle for pure consciousness. And what is God's self-definition in
the Bible? Did God say "I have always been, and I always will be?" Of course not.

That would have given reality to past and future. God said: "I AM THAT I AM." No
time here, just presence.
The "second coming" of Christ is a transformation of human consciousness, a shift
from time to presence, from thinking to pure consciousness, not the arrival of some
man or woman. If "Christ" were to return tomorrow in some externalized form, what
could he or she possibly say to you other than this: "I am the Truth. I am divine
presence. I am eternal life. I am within you. I am here. I am Now."
Never personalize Christ. Don't make Christ into a form identity. Avatars, divine
mothers, enlightened masters, the very few that are real, are not special as persons.
Without a false self to uphold, defend, and feed, they are more simple, more ordinary
than the ordinary man or woman. Anyone with a strong ego would regard them as
insignificant or, more likely, not see them at all.

[Fredkc]

Beren;
There are people who can spew whole chapters from the bible, as fast as a car salesman, without understanding a word they've said. Then there are people who assume every word contained must be the word of some Satan, or another. I can never decide whether to laugh at, or weep for them all.

I do know it took me nearly 40 years to separate the churchianity from the book. I don't claim to have finished the job, and I couldn't begin to tell someone else where to start.

What amazes me though is that, nowadays when I hear most speak of the book, I struck with the notion we must be reading a different book. What I see in it now, bears little resemblance to what I hear, or even what I once thought myself. And yes, I think I got the better of it. Can't sell it, wouldn't trade it for gold.

"I don't have that kind of time."
I'm sorry, was there something else more important you were doing? Proceed then.

"How do I know what part of the bible is true?"
Um... discernment ?
All of this, no matter where you take your source from is a process of maybe 5% study, the rest is thought, meditation and yes, discernment, be it through insight, or trial and error.

No one is going to come along and 'install' enlightenment in you like a new car stereo; just like spending your days running from one stereo shop to another, having the latest model installed, is not going to make you happy, or leave much time to just hear the music.

"Take the long road" with something. It will either lead you to something else, or prove faithful. The true creation of god is truly perfection. Stop and turn around. You're there.

A "war for our souls"?
How can there be one? Many things can clamor for your attention, and emotion, therefore your spirit, but your soul?
Nah!
It is a perfect creation of God that never faltered.

Anyway, some late night thoughts,
Fred

[greybeard]

Just a few thoughts before I dissapear again for a while.
Every age and culture has Mystics --- those who are One with God Enlightened beings, thats another name for Christ consciousness.
The beauty of the ones present with us now is that they wrote their own books, no translation by others, no dilution, nothing changed or altered, just pure subjective Truth.
"The Power of Now" understandable by all.
"Discovery of the Presence of God/ Devotional Nonduality" by Dr David Hawkins for more advanced seekers is more complex but says it all.
After many years of reading that is for me the ulitmate in presenting the Truth as experience by a Mystic.
Most of what I conveyed in the ego thread comes from reading Tolle and Dr Hawkins and personal experience.
I rarely read now that stage, of my apprentiship is complete.
I now have a lot to unlearn, let go of, of worldly concepts, belief systems, techniques etc. all helpful then but time to move on.
All part of the process of discovering Truth, the Presence within.
Chris
Namaste

[Beren]

Just a few thoughts before I dissapear again for a while.
Every age and culture has Mystics --- those who are One with God Enlightened beings, thats another name for Christ consciousness.
The beauty of the ones present with us now is that they wrote their own books, no translation by others, no dilution, nothing changed or altered, just pure subjective Truth.
"The Power of Now" understandable by all.
"Discovery of the Presence of God/ Devotional Nonduality" by Dr David Hawkins for more advanced seekers is more complex but says it all.
After many years of reading that is for me the ulitmate in presenting the Truth as experience by a Mystic.
Most of what I conveyed in the ego thread comes from reading Tolle and Dr Hawkins and personal experience.
I rarely read now that stage, of my apprentiship is complete.
I now have a lot to unlearn, let go of, of worldly concepts, belief systems, techniques etc. all helpful then but time to move on.
All part of the process of discovering Truth, the Presence within.
Chris
Namaste

Very true Chris, very true!
Christ when talking with people wanted them to grow to the full. To be sons and daughters of God, not followers of doctrine or religion. Often would he when people would follow him because of food or miracles,cast them out with harsher words... like you follow me because I feed you and your hearts still are silent and you are not changing...


That is the treasure of Kingdom of Heaven. To be close friend with God and Christ and all.
To have full awareness all the time.

[wynderer]

I don't have a lot of answers, but a lot of questions. :) It's all about who to ask, and where to look.
My friend you'll find a little more about my spiritual background at this link. (http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/showthread.php?16-What-is-truth-and-how-where-can-we-find-it&p=29&viewfull=1)

The bible is a very good reading for those who actually understand it. (2 Corinthians 3:5-6 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Cor.3:5-6&version=NKJV); Mark 8:18 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%208:18&version=NIV))

Love to you and to your enlightenment, :yes2:

Dan

Hi Dan --i did not say that i think the Bible is '100% accurate' -- an assumption on your part , it would seem

in fact, having read the entire Bible thru [which i capitalize, as i do the Koran, the Vedas, the Sutras, etc] & many parts of it over & over, including a fairly recent college course on 'The Bible As Literature', i've come to the conclusion, unpopular w/most Christians, that the Old Testament is one record of the true God/Creator/Great Mystery/the Love Who Is Light, interspersed w/subversions by an imposter 'god' -- probably a reptilian, because he is into control, inducing guilt & fear, & -- the biggie -- blood sacrifices -- non-human animal ones, true, but still the blood flows & the animals die in pain & fear

i am a Christian because of a few very personal & powerful meetings i have been most privileged to be granted w/Jesus the Living Christ -- these i do not talk or write about unless i know & trust the person -- i generally read only the Gospels [sometimes the Psalms] , & in the Gospels i find enough of the great Power, Love, & Peace i encountered in the Person of Christ Jesus to trust that a good bit of truth managed to survive in those written & printed accounts of His brief time in a human body on Earth

re being human -- long story there -- not knowing you, i don't know the extent of your interest in/knowledge of ETs, or whether or not you follow the various threads re ETs here on PA -- however, i have on some of these threads given detailed [possibly boring] accounts of many indications that i am not human, but very foolishly volunteered to come to this planet from elsewhere in order to try to help the Earth humans wake up to the very real physical & spiritual threats to your continued existence-- so, no problem here w/knowing the limitations of the extremely dumbed-down Earth human brain/mind

re your reference to the verses from the Gospel of John [edit to note that these verses, chap 10: 34-35, did not carry over into quote]-- i personally get very annoyed at Christians who hurl Bible verses at me to prove things they believe, & am not a verse-hurler myself -- i figured that the one you quoted was going to be the newage favorite of 'You are gods,' which proved to be so -- i do not like debating fine points of any kind of scripture [tho this does seem to give the mind good exercise, & Jesus Himself, according to the Gospels, did a very good job at this, always besting the Sadducees & Pharisees at their own game]

but [sigh] i will point out some things i see re your quoted verse -- i'm using the New English version --

'Is it not written in your own Law, "I said: You are gods"? Those are called gods to whom the word of God was delivered-- and Scripture cannot be set aside. Then why do you charge me with blasphemy because I, consecrated and sent into the world by the Father, said, "I am God's son"?'

i just think it's interesting that Jesus called it 'your own Law' & not 'our Law' -- & the end of the beloved-by-newagers quote , taken in context, is Jesus directing attention to God/the Creator, & finishing by saying that He was God's son, not God

i've said all i want to re this subject -- i still maintain that you humans have your 'within' thing confused w/natural perceptions of what is actually all around you --

thank you for calling me 'friend' a number of times, tho i have not received a Friend Request from you ---??? -- also, thanks for your wishes for my 'enlightenment', tho this is not a term/concept i use or relate to

[quick P.S. to Chris -- some interpretations/translations of the [also beloved-by-newagers] quote, 'The Kingdom of Heaven is within you' , translations which, for me, fit more w/the Christ i met, & his overall message in the Gospels, read 'The Kingdom of Heaven is among you' -- meaning, as i understand this, that humans need to work together to know God/the Creator -- not the proud & lonely path of finding truth 'within' your individual self]

Peace, wynderer

[frank samuel]

Being of a Christian family of many generations of Pastor and preachers, I dedicated part of my life to studying Christian history . Here's the history as I understand it, after the fall of Rome , the Romans united with the Christians by embracing Christianity it was a very astute political move. Anyone who was not a christian became automatically an enemy of Rome, the killing spree continue all throughout Europe, then came the conquering of the new world. That took cruelty, rape, torture, the sheer cold blooded violation of human rights to a whole different level. The missionaries came back up by those who came to conquer, kill and rape without any remorse or pity.

60 millions natives killed in the new world. The stories are very similar, but here's a typical depiction of what went on, the village was forced to accept the religion of the conquerors or suffer the same fate as those that did not. Hey we can take this account further back into the old testament where King David was known as the most ruthless King of its time as he murder entire villages leaving no one alive, all in the name of God

Today many Christians echo the very same words spoken by the conquerors of old. The Bible is the absolute word of God and Jesus is the ultimate representative, you either accepted or suffer the consequences. No different than the words utter to millions slaughter at the hands of these so called Holy man .

I asked you what is wrong with this picture, why do we neglect the true history of Christianity. There's many important lessons to be learn here. My ancestors the Tainos of PR are no longer alive to defend themselves yet I can still hear their cries for justice.
My family carries on with the Christian tradition, I well that's another story. Something in my stomach knobs up every time someone comes knocking at my door talking about the Bible as the only way to salvation, I wonder why ?

Maybe we should ask all the 60 million natives if the Bible is the only way to salvation and lets see and hear what they have to say.
To conclude this I wanted to add a famous quoted from the movie matrix, " ignorance is bliss ". There's the old saying that history repeats itself, the irony of this is that maybe in the future we will be conquer by aliens who will imposed their religious believes on a global scale, what will happen. If this scenario becomes true then we will be acclaiming the religious book of the conquering aliens as the only way to salvation and rightly so.

Each living thing on this Earth has a spark of divinity. Today we are beginning to lift the veil and the illusion of the past is no more.
The Journey has become the calling to embrace the future, not forgetting the lessons of the past. It suffice to say that the past, present and future are one, all roll up into what we call the NOW.

May your journey bring you closer to the spark of the divinity that is lit within the hearts of each and every living creation.

Many many blessings to all.

[kriya]

"Why do ye call me Lord, Lord, and not do the things that I say".

Love,

Kriya

PS This is in reply to Beren. I am having a v computer illiterate day today!!

[Fredkc]

What amazes me though is that, nowadays when I hear most speak of the book, I struck with the notion we must be reading a different book.
Kinda like now.
Fred

[wynderer]

Kinda like now.
Fred

seems to me most everyone here on this thread is saying pretty much the same thing in his/her own way

[Beren]

Frank,

I feel for you friend and this is the EXACT thing what I am talking about for whole year,since AV1 ...And please pardon for long answer,I was inspired to write this.

Religion named Christianity usurped the Bible and used it as a mask of divinity . With it they conquered and gained and slaughtered ... But it does not change a fact that Bible has nothing to do with it. Clever manipulators were shouting that BIBLE ASK YOU THIS and God ask you that when in fact it was a lie!

That`s what I am trying to talk about all this time! To talk against a lie imposed on us. To talk about hidden truth in Bible and how to reach it leaving all behind ,all mess that Churchianity left.

If you`re still angry about happenings in old testament ,you have to be honest and research better and see that many things Jews did without God consent. Instead of following God ,they decided to make whole bunch of rules and regulations( one of the reasons for that is primitive folk in abundance with only handful of literate people )...

That`s why God sent them his son to explain them the truth and to show them love.
God did this for all humanity . But we still are blind to see that.
We always look for excuses and avoid the truth.

You can always explain all but you will always reach to the same point and that is before Creator.
How would you feel then when you heard that all that you diminished was actually true?
Would you feel ashamed that you knowingly decided that Jesus was not who he was and then to meet him and he spoke to you and said like he said to Thomas : " Do you believe now? "

I am not playing smart here or advocating a religion since being a Christian is not religious thing.
I am talking about being a man. Being a woman.
Being united with God ,with Christ with all in universe!

Being Christian is being holy .

That`s why all religion failed. That`s why almost all people failed and are doomed to re learn everything until they come to realization the very first thing they were told- truth about God and Christ.

I am beginning to ask myself and many here what do we really want?

We talk about ascension and unity with Creator and when Creator reaches his hand we refuse it!
Are we nuts or something?

Is that a sign of a sane person or...?

OK God is everywhere and is limitless, then why do many of you here blind fold yourself?
Blindfold in a way that you can and do accept various ethereal representations of Creator but can not accept this open one from Christ?
God couldn`t be more direct than this to come with his son and say to yo "hello" ! Or to talk with you or to heal you...

God is everything and many are right that he is ethereal and that his essence is in us and that we are creators and gods.
I say here before the world - I am GOD. So are you , so are all because we are of God. we are his children ,same lineage if you will.
God is everywhere from beautiful scent in flowers to high mountains and human souls and beautiful planets and universes ...
God is love and God is limitless,
now WHY DO YOU LIMIT GOD, with your non accepting this manifestation of God in a physical form of Jesus Christ?

How can all here starting from me claim that we know anything and that we know God when we try to limit him?
That`s a silly idea but still held religiously tough!

Just because someone misused Bible or did evils in Jesus`s name you turn your face from God!!!

So hence I say cast out all religions, all BULLS*** aside and turn to God directly now.
Stop all this quarreling about what God is and what is not and realize that you just talked with God when your neighbor said hello, when you said -I love you- to your sweet heart, when you patted the flowers and admired their beauty...
God is all, then accept that HE IS ALL.

That is the love and truth Jesus Christ taught us.
That is the veil that he lifted from us-veil of lies -our lies that we like so much to live in.

[shiva777]

again...going beyond the simplistically misleading and deceiving religions/philosophies to the roots of what's up...book of revelations and J seals

http://wemustknow.net/2010/04/meaning-of-the-revelations-in-the-bible/

http://wemustknow.net/2010/04/j-seals-ancient-curse/

[truthseekerdan]

Unfortunately, some souls are slow to learn...:nod:

f7KSXx7nSWI

[frank samuel]

Beren the Bible was canonized by the Roman clergy many books that did not agree with their theology where burned or hidden. Those true Christians of that time ran with their Holy books, Jesus mother account was not even accepted, due to the fact that she was a woman.

If we're talking about the Bible please know that the theology in my opinion and as a historical fact has been compromised by the Roman Clergy of that time.

Here's a few questions which some scholars ponder upon and seriously question:

1- Was Jesus God ?

2- Was Jesus born of a virgin birth ?

3- Was Jesus mother a virgin ?

4-Was Zechariah the biological father of Jesus ?

5-Was John the Baptist Jesus brother ?

6-Did Jesus die on the cross ?

7-Did Jesus father his own children ?

8- Did Jesus die of old age in India ?

There are hundreds of questions these are some of the basic ones.
Beren I spend many years pondering and researching , sometimes is better to follow the trail so that we can open our eyes.

My heroes most are Christians so I have nothing against, quite the opposite . Mother Theresa, Francis of Assisi, Martin Luther King Jr., Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela.

Many many blessings to you.

[Beren]

Beren the Bible was canonized by the Roman clergy many books that did not agree with their theology where burned or hidden. Those true Christians of that time ran with their Holy books, Jesus mother account was not even accepted, due to the fact that she was a woman.

If we're talking about the Bible please know that the theology in my opinion and as a historical fact has been compromised by the Roman Clergy of that time.

Here's a few questions which some scholars ponder upon and seriously question:

1- Was Jesus God ?

2- Was Jesus born of a virgin birth ?

3- Was Jesus mother a virgin ?

4-Was Zechariah the biological father of Jesus ?

5-Was John the Baptist Jesus brother ?

6-Did Jesus die on the cross ?

7-Did Jesus father his own children ?

8- Did Jesus die of old age in India ?

There are hundreds of questions these are some of the basic ones.
Beren I spend many years pondering and researching , sometimes is better to follow the trail so that we can open our eyes.

My heroes most are Christians so I have nothing against, quite the opposite . Mother Theresa, Francis of Assisi, Martin Luther King Jr., Desmond Tutu, Nelson Mandela.

Many many blessings to you.

Frank , I know all that even before. It does not change the fact who placed the writings together and which ones are left out. Point is that even with ones placed in one book now called Bible ,you can find all that you need. In the modern Bible that many so much dislike and accuse religions and churches of abusing it, you can find at least 80% of things that are written as of what is a real Christian but not done by Churches. See Bible stands for it self. Churches are those who impose rules and regulations and when reading Bible you can see how that happened from ages ago.
But then if you want truth you must be open to it and must ask God for it. And here exactly we see failure of religions- failure to tell people that their prime task is to re connect with God.

All they were saying was that THEY will tell people what GOD wishes... What a stupidity! It`s like God can`t address any particular man or woman and help them, and so we need corporate entity to deal in between people and God... what a lost of time! But God allowed that in order that every person shows its true heart and soul towards God. Whether he or she will trust God or man. Sadly many trusted man rather than God and voila! We have the world we wanted for.

Remember that verse where is stated that God carefully hid all truth in Jesus and will reveal to all who wants it?
It`s a clear sign to all that if you want truth and a relationship with Creator , you got to ask him . He is freely giving all but will not interfere your free will (btw given by him) to choose.
It`s always easy to trash Bible.
After all God chose many more things to speak to the souls. SO if we trash Bible , no worries he will talk with us on a different way and someday he will openly tell us : " why did you refused my word? But God , it was not your word, people wrote it! People wrote it? Who sent those people and inspired them? Ummm I don`t know, I think many wished to gain riches and to rule over others by twisting it ... Now did you ever read it?Did you ever try to read between the lines there, did you ever listened what my son stated there, which was my words and my inspiration to all? You rather believed other people and didn`t believe me even when I said things over my son?
I can speak in everything I choose, from this wind you hear or next person that you see and you are willing to hear that but are not willing to recognize my son ,my self when directly speaking with you?

Frank , I value you comments and find in them a lot of wisdom friend!
Be blessed!

[lightblue]

.
beren:
After all God chose many more things to speak to the souls. SO if we trash Bible , no worries he will talk with us on a different way and someday he will openly tell us :


hi beren, what makes you think god is a HE? if you know it is a HE, could you describe what he looks like? thanks :blink: l



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[Beren]

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beren:


hi beren, what makes you think god is a HE? if you know it is a HE, could you describe what he looks like? thanks :blink: l



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Hi Lightblue,

I speak in terms HE.
God is neither male or female. It`s a spirit. Creator contains and encompasses all. It`s been represented in Bible as Father because people in that time and even today would identify with a male with a creative power ,since women can`t create life...
It`s all a bit confusing to us .Even Jesus stated once when asked about marriage in heaven; that up there there is no marriages and no sexes.

I call it a Father, because I feel that way. God is surely both father and mother. Way much more than we can grasp now...

[lightblue]

shiva 777:


Re: Spiritual encounters of all kind - war for souls

again...going beyond the simplistically misleading and deceiving religions/philosophies to the roots of what's up...book of revelations and J seals


i would like to know if there's anything else you can propose, anything except ashayanna dean's material? :wacko: l


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[frank samuel]

Beren the point is that if you have an incomplete picture due to the manipulation of the scriptures, then is fair to say that we cannot claim that the Bible is the only Holy Book that can be reference as the word of God. Ultimately we have to discern what is truth as a personal matter. In theology they have an interesting term when you are directly inspire by the source of all , they term it, the direct dominion of God. Beyond any Holy book is your heart and soul and your will to do what you know to be true to your heart. Native Indians, and tribes where in my opinion closer to God than most people today that cling on to the Bible for dear life.

So the point of the slaughter of the native tribes is that we took a step backwards by destroying the culture and spiritual knowledge that these native tribes had to offer. Today in the field of medicine the herbalist searching for new cures turn to the shamans for help. Just because these holy man do not read the Bible does not mean that they are less connected to the source than the so call preachers in which I include my family .

A connection to the source is simple and can be quite powerful and in my opinion can be achieved without any external source. Holy books and spiritual books of inspiration are guides, ultimately it is we, the person, that has to make the connection. Once the connection is made as many here have already pointed out there's no need for them anymore.

The future is exciting as we are beginning to see beyond the veil of dogmatic believes, religions, politics and even science, embracing the unknown knowing that we are ready for whatever may come our way. Nothing or no one can hold us back .
We have chosen to take the red pill to see how far the rabbit hole goes. That is why an open mind and heart is necessary for we all know many of our preconceived notions, believes, ideas, theories,will be shatter.

In closing I will just like to say that the only thing I know is that the more I learn the less I know, meaning there's so much yet to learn that the knowledge that we have is but a mere grain of sand, in comparison to what we still have to learn.
May all our journeys be fruitful, joyful and Earth shattering.

Many many blessings to all.:wub:

[Beren]

Frank ,
I told you before, I know all the thing you wrote since I explored them long time ago. I agree with your whole comment here.
My stand is that I am defending Bible since many are ready to trash it and in the same time to acknowledge other sources.

God uses many sources to tell the truth. But when we are refusing one of the most prominent sources because of humans that abused it in the past or now, we are trying to limit God in his ways of expressing truths.

Ultimately we try to say to God that he doesn`t know what he is doing...

Ultimately we do not need books and Bible and anything else since we have God. And that`s what Jesus was saying all about.
Did he carried Bible with himself, or any other literature?
Nope.

He had and has a normal relationship to God and acts openly with him. That should be our goal, to be one with father always.
To be non dependent from any outside tool. To be directly connected with source of life within and without.
Bible is just a reminder and eye opener and one with immense value.
Many sacred texts are sacred just because they too tell the truth.
Whatever God uses as his ways of communicating is always sacred.
So please understand me when I stand for Bible because I deem it sacred way of God`s speaking to us,and I respect all other writings too if they tell the truth about God.

Be blessed Frank!

[lightblue]

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hi beren

don't think one is thrashing the bible by exploring other texts/sources..

i think you addressed your own concerns by answering to frank's post....only, i still can't see why do you think the "many" are found on this forum?

beren:
Frank ,
I told you before, I know all the thing you wrote since I explored them long time ago. I agree with your whole comment here.
My stand is that I am defending Bible since many are ready to trash it and in the same time to acknowledge other sources.

best wishes :wink: l

[frank samuel]

Hi Lightblue always enjoy your post, the directions in our journeys may be a bit different but the destination is always the same.

Many many blessings to you.:thumb:

[lightblue]

frank:
Hi Lightblue always enjoy your post, the directions in our journeys may be a bit different but the destination is always the same.

Many many blessings to you.


always good to be reminded of.... :thank_you2: l

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[wynderer]

from Beren:
God uses many sources to tell the truth. But when we are refusing one of the most prominent sources because of humans that abused it in the past or now, we are trying to limit God in his ways of expressing truths.

well said, imo -- i was raised w/o any religion -- my Grandmother gave me a Bible on my 12th birthday & told me to read a bit every night & i would feel better -- i loved her, & did that -- but every time i opened it, God was telling the Israelites to go wipe out some other tribe, or Jesus was yelling at the Pharisees -- so i stopped reading it

then in high school i was elected Student Council VP, one of whose jobs, back in the '60s, was to read something from the Bible at the beginning of every school assembly -- one morning while reading my selection, i heard a puzzling buzz from the students in the auditorium --afterwards, one of my teachers explained to me that the many Jewish kids in my classes did not go along w/the New Testament, & that in the future i might stick w/readings from the Old T

so my early experiences of the Bible were that it seemed to be about & to create a lot of discord & contention -- & as Frank S rightly points out, the words from the Bible have been used by those who call themselves believers in those words & in Christ, to do terrible things -- really terrible things-- to others , for centuries -- in the name of Jesus, as a cover for power moves or just plain sadism

it's because of my interest in Edgar Cayce in my 20s that i read the Bible through [took me nearly 3 years, as i thought about it while reading] -- there are many very beautiful & spiritually powerful passages in that book -- when the true God/Creator [imo] is speaking, the God who says He wants mercy, not sacrifice -- sometimes when reading it, it's like Light flashing out at me thru the words, both in the OT & the New T

but the real value of the Bible --again just in my opinionated opinion -- is the historical record of Jesus having lived & died & risen -- put in an historical context -- & the preservation of His teachings , even if incomplete & adulterated in some instances -- & w/o Christians & Christianity, as Beren says, we'd have no record or knowledge of Jesus Christ

honestly i would not be or call myself a Christian if i based this on reading the Bible alone, & certainly not from the actions of most of those who call themselves Christians [tho there have been some, thru the centuries, who have lived as He taught -- Corrie Ten Boom's sister Betsy is such a modern-day true saint, imo]

http://www.allreaders.com/topics/info_11867.asp

& i sure don't think of myself as a saintly person , or qualified to tell others what to believe

it really is because of my meeting Christ Jesus face to face [sort of -- i have never felt worthy enough to ever raise my eyes to Him] that i am a Christian -- & i've had lots of other-dimensional experiences, & am maybe too suspicious re manipulation of my mind/senses -- but --i know i'm repeating myself -- never have i met any other individual being w/the Power, the Love, the Peace that i met in the Person of Christ Jesus -- nowhere near it -- not in this dimension, not in any other -& reading the Gospels helps me to keep the connection w/Him

& i'm not totally happy w/some of the things that Jesus did while on Earth -- like putting the demons into the poor pigs & killing the fig tree -- i know these recorded actions of his have contributed to humans thinking they can do whatever they want to Earth & the animals --someday i expect an explanation & maybe an apology

i think the main reason He came to Earth was to provide a safe way out of this dimension, away from a planet increasingly under the control of dark forces who want complete control of the souls caught here -- the other paths, like shamanism, or Buddhism, are helpful for living on this planet & dealing w/the dimensions closest to 3D Earth -- but these dimensions are very dangerous right now -- increasingly under the control of the NWO darkside

[lightblue]

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wyndarer:

it really is because of my meeting Christ Jesus face to face [sort of -- i have never felt worthy enough to ever raise my eyes to Him] that i am a Christian -- & i've had lots of other-dimensional experiences, & am maybe too suspicious re manipulation of my mind/senses -- but --i know i'm repeating myself -- never have i met any other individual being w/the Power, the Love, the Peace that i met in the Person of Christ Jesus -- nowhere near it -- not in this dimension, not in any other -& reading the Gospels helps me to keep the connection w/Him

how and where did this happen?

i really would like to know... :yu: l


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[Beren]

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hi beren

don't think one is thrashing the bible by exploring other texts/sources..

i think you addressed your own concerns by answering to frank's post....only, i still can't see why do you think the "many" are found on this forum?

beren:

best wishes :wink: l


Neither I said that one is trashing Bible by reading other sources. I said clearly that many are welcoming to other sources and willingly delve in them but from the moment someone mention Bible they trash it.

It`s just about this thing ; don`t embrace just one way of communicating with God and think that this is the only way that God talks with us...
I found many values in many texts and I love them dearly but I do not trash them.

But many here on the forum are quite ready to trash Bible without even thinking what they just wrote about it.

The thing is , everything that we use now as tool to know and reach God will vanish in the archive of history on the moment we know God personally. I mean this for whole humanity. Until we reach that stage together , tools will be available.
But it would be very unwise to diminish one of the most precious one - Bible.

[lightblue]

beren:
Neither I said that one is trashing Bible by reading other sources. I said clearly that many are welcoming to other sources and willingly delve in them but from the moment someone mention Bible they trash it.

It`s just don`t embrace just one way of communicating with God and think that this is the way that God talks with us...
I found many values in many texts and I love them dearly but I do not trash them.

But many here on the forum are quite ready to trash Bible without even thinking what they just wrote about it.

The thing is , everything that we use now as tool to know and reach God will vanish in the archive of history on the moment we know God personally. I mean this for whole humanity. Until we reach that stage together , tools will be available.
But it would be very unwise to diminish one of the most precious one - Bible.


hi again beren,

in response to your 1st and the 3rd line i highlighted:
you are adamant that many on the forum either trash or are ready, like you say, to thrash bible..you really would have to give me an examples because i don't find what you do at all, at all at all...if you are speaking in broad terms and if you are basing it on your impresssions only, than this may have to do with your preconceptions actually...because you ARE coming up with a very stark judgment... i personally believe that an avarage member would know/know of the bible texts for a lot longer and in more detail than any other new text - therefore a natural human quriosity and a desire for knowledge from new sources has to be satisfied...i don't find that desire strange or dismissive of the bible texts...

in respose to your 2nd line i highlighted:
you are putting yourself in comparison with the "many" we already know you don't hold in high esteem...why are you doing it?


best wishes l

[truthseekerdan]

Thank you Frank for sharing your knowledge and wisdom, and for trying to 'open ears and eyes' to some truthful facts. :thank_you2:
Maybe some souls are more inclined to listen and be convinced by Christian Priests (teachers), like 'father Peter' (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruach2351) for example...

KPTABj96MyY

[Beren]

beren:


hi again beren,

in response to your 1st and the 3rd line i highlighted:
you are adamant that many on the forum either trash or are ready, like you say, to thrash bible..you really would have to give me an examples because i don't find what you do at all, at all at all...if you are speaking in broad terms and if you are basing it on your impresssions only, than this may have to do with your preconceptions actually...because you ARE coming up with a very stark judgment... i personally believe that an avarage member would know/know of the bible texts for a lot longer and in more detail than any other new text - therefore a natural human quriosity and a desire for knowledge from new sources has to be satisied...i don't find that desire strange or dismissive of the bible texts...

in respose to your 2nd line i highlighted:
you are putting yourself in comparison with the "many" we already know you don't hold in high esteem...why are you doing it?


best wishes l

Hi light blue,

I am writing fairly open. And do not wish to explain further because I am explaining a lot in open.
Examples are everywhere in so many threads here and on old Avalon.
I am not judging anyone nor I will. My attitude is strong for sake of being fair because always whenever somehow by any chance or miracle or deliberate desire or thunder strike ,someone mention Bible or anything connected to it, people immediately stand against. And that`s ok . But then how can we lead normal discussion about many things here when we erase certain thing right from the start and stray in religious debates?

I noticed that whenever I mention Jesus or Bible or God there has to be someone who brand me as promoter of some religion or whatever. Or Bible nut or Bible thumper or whatever...
Even that is ok . Everyone has free will to do whatever they want. And I am using my free will to say things that I know of ,things that are not theory or wishful thinking.

I always point out that truth written in Bible has been hijacked by dark ones ( whom ever they may be -spirits or men) and they enjoy twisting it. Many loose opportunity to learn and remember things about God when dismissing Bible. And I understand that . Many did evils in God`s name and Bible`s name. But for the sake of fairness do give a chance Bible to say what it has to say.

I also found many truths in various texts, philosophers, wonderful people and places , I came to realize that God choses all ways to talk with people to eventually raise their vibration to his level.

P.S.
There is no one on this forum that I think of them poorly. I value every single comment on the forum and deem that they come from people who wish to know truth. Every soul here came to learn and remember. All are very precious and who am I to judge someone?
And I like your avatar :-) Be blesses!

[Beren]

Everyone, I am happy that we can talk about these great truths here and really that shows how brothers and sisters when together and focus on one thing ,(truth and light and love) can make beautiful picture!
This is a great blessing from Creator because we all share our gifts here,we all give insights to form one beautiful heavenly mosaic!
May all be blessed!

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[wynderer]

Thank you Frank for sharing your knowledge and wisdom, and for trying to 'open ears and eyes' to some truthful facts. :thank_you2:
Maybe some souls are more inclined to listen and be convinced by Christian Priests (teachers), like 'father Peter' (http://www.youtube.com/user/ruach2351) for example...

KPTABj96MyY

Hi Dan -- what is it exactly that you are hoping us less enlightened ones will be convinced of? please give it to me straight -- i'm feeling strong today

[truthseekerdan]

Hi Dan -- what is it exactly that you are hoping us less enlightened ones will be convinced of? please give it to me straight -- i'm feeling strong today

I hope you don't feel strong in your 'ego mind'...:p
I will let 'father Peter give it to you straight' in your face. :)

PauxVNW0CkM

[lightblue]

hi again and thanks for your clarification..you say though:


I always point out that truth written in Bible has been hijacked by dark ones ( whom ever they may be -spirits or men) and they enjoy twisting it. Many loose opportunity to learn and remember things about God when dismissing Bible. And I understand that . Many did evils in God`s name and Bible`s name. But for the sake of fairness do give a chance Bible to say what it has to say.

in my opinion, the bible has a lot of problems with convaying the truth in the way one wants to call truth truth.. i have a huge problem with the acuracy of translation and this is where i would start when talking about truth hijacking and twisting - lots of crucial texts are translated most liberally from arameic to greek, then from greek on to latin and on to every other language..

i'll just give you one example; the chances are and i do believe that jesus never meant to say "My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me" -which is according to the greek loose translation...instead the arameic original went: "Eli, Eli lemana shabakthan! which translates :My God, my God, for this I was spared! . Obviously the inspired translator at the time was simply compelled to add his own very free understanding of what was said in arameic and lo and behold - the famous sentence becomes something totally different in meaning...those are the traps i am constantly aware of and most strongly wish to avoid..

lots has been written about this line alone, but here is this concise summary

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:ZfFwqlJqLFIJ:www.alamoministries.com/content/english/Gospel_literature/Jesus_Never_Said.html+eli+eli+lemana+savachami+translation+from+arameic&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk.


best wishes l

[wynderer]

I hope you don't feel strong in your 'ego mind'...:p
I will let 'father Peter give it to you straight' in your face. :)

PauxVNW0CkM

Hi Dan -- my inner voice is not guiding me to watch this video -- my question still stands -- you wrote a few posts ago, to Frank:

trying to 'open ears and eyes' to some truthful facts.
Maybe some souls are more inclined to listen and be convinced

so i was just wondering if maybe you could summarize the truthful facts , the ones you'd like people to become convinced of -- so far you have been pretty vague

[wynderer]

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wyndarer:

how and where did this happen?

i really would like to know... :yu: l


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Hi Lightblue -- i've been thinking about this -- i will answer w/one experience i had -- but first what i've been thinking is along the lines of one of my favorite quotes

'God is a circle whose center is everywhere & whose circumference is nowhere'

even if/when i tell you what happened, it still happened to just one tiny little center [me] -- a very big event to this center, but maybe just words to others of the infinite number of centers

anyway -- here's one story -- i'm an alcoholic, recovering now & grateful for my sobriety

after my son died in '87 i started drinking heavily -- even tho he visited me 2x after he died, & i know death of the body is not the end -- but that's an alcoholic for you! any reason to drink -- & i got a lot of sympathy, people cutting me slack for my drinking because i'd lost my son

you asked where & when -- it was in '91 , in West Chester PA -- by this time i was at a point where i drank every day -- there are probably other alcoholics on PA who will understand when i say that i'd reached the point at which alcohol had completely taken over my will -- this may sound like moral weakness to a non-alcoholic, but other alcoholics will know what i'm talking about -- i'd gone on binges in the past, before i had children, but could always stop - w/difficulty, but i could & did -- & i believe i can honestly say that alcohol is the only anything i've encountered that ever bested my will

this time i could not -- one day i was at a park w/some friends -- i was lying in the grass & a prayer came from deep within me, one i really meant: 'God, either take away this compulsion to drink, or let me die'

the next morning i woke up early [unusually -- other alcoholics know about wasting the day in bed w/hangovers] -- at dawn -- i heard a robin singing -- & there was Someone in the room, standing by the side of my bed -- i did not look right at Him, but i knew He was wearing a robe of some sort, & i knew immediately that he was Jesus -- He spoke & said, 'Go get help' -- i could tell He was not happy w/me at all, but He was not speaking in a judging way -- there was Light around Him --He was bigger than life-size somehow -- He emanated Power, & it was His Power that i kind of drew on/held on to that day -- i did not drink the beer in my apt, & called a counselor i'd been seeing until she offended me by telling me i was an alcoholic -- she got me into a rehab -- i'd been there a few days when the alcohol fumes finally left my brain, & i realized that the compulsion to drink was completely gone

years later i see His wisdom in ordering me to 'Go get help' instead of just flat-out taking the compulsion to drink away -- like just about all of us in human bodies, i need lessons re interacting w/others in positive ways --

also -- like many others here on PA, too, i'm sure -- i am not very good at taking orders from others -- i generally equate obedience w/servitude & slavery -- & tend to have run-ins w/bosses who abuse their authority , & have quit some jobs because of this -- also i had a real problem w/getting down on my knees to a guru my friends insisted i go to [i popped my head up after bowing to her & said 'Hi!'] -- but there was no question, seeing Him & hearing Him, but that i would obey

that's one story -- hope it made sense -- & hope i conveyed something of the Power of His Presence -- His Love i felt more strongly the other times -- but this time i needed more of the Power, i guess , for protection as well -- till i got into the rehab, my drinking buddies, including the current boyfriend, did not want to let me go --

[wynderer]

it's very embarrassing to me to post my last post & then have everyone suddenly get quiet -- i'll give it a while & then i'll delete it

[Beren]

Yes ,Jesus helps on various ways. Thanks for opening up your soul.

Be blessed with love and peace and light!

[frank samuel]

it's very embarrassing to me to post my last post & then have everyone suddenly get quiet -- i'll give it a while & then i'll delete it

Just read your post very moving indeed , thank you for sharing. Jesus is a very powerful presence in the lives of many even the native Indians experience the presence of Jesus. So you see we do have a lot in common even when it seems we do not.
Again thank you very much for pouring your soul, your courage and honesty is very moving.

Many many blessings to you.:wub:

[greybeard]

Originally Posted by wynderer
it's very embarrassing to me to post my last post & then have everyone suddenly get quiet -- i'll give it a while & then i'll delete

Dear Wynderer
Thank you for your moving post.
I too hit rock bottom through the illness of alcholism
Could I sugest that you read through "The ego what is it? how to transcend it"
There is much in there that is in line with your thoughts on God.
Chris Namaste
PS Beren
The soul belongs to God regardless of any temporary seeming possesson by outside forces.
Even in the pits of hell a humble prayer to God will have instant dramatic and positive results.
Its in the section "about the author" in all the books by "Dr David Hawkins."

[lightblue]

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the next morning i woke up early [unusually -- other alcoholics know about wasting the day in bed w/hangovers] -- at dawn -- i heard a robin singing -- & there was Someone in the room, standing by the side of my bed -- i did not look right at Him, but i knew He was wearing a robe of some sort, & i knew immediately that he was Jesus --

than you wynderer, you are a very brave man.

if this happened to me, i'd have had a double something to get my blood flowing again - must have been an overwhelming experience... thanks again for you generosity :thank_you2: l


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[lightseeker]

Moemers, i hear you, and no question is ridiculous, that is how we all learn. Sometimes thing seem overwhelming. I do not let myself get caught up it it. I have learned to take things as they come. Meditation helps me greatly, it is part of my daily routine, it helps me stay connected with myself and with Spirit.

Lightseeker

[wynderer]

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than you wynderer, you are a very brave man.

if this happened to me, i'd have had a double something to get my blood flowing again - must have been an overwhelming experience... thanks again for you generosity :thank_you2: l


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actually, i'm a woman [smile]

[truthseekerdan]

Dear wynderer, I've been away most of the day today, and now that I'm back, got really amazed to read your life story (testimony).
All I can say is a big Thank You for sharing it with us on this forum. Chris (greybeard) shared his similar life story at this link here. (http://www.myspiritualoasis.org/showthread.php?143-Life-is-as-it-is)
If you did not have a chance to read it, please do so it is fascinating to say the least. Thank you Chris for sharing it also!
Jesus was a special (more advanced) spiritual being that volunteered to reincarnate to show (remind) us of the True Spiritual Way.
May I recommend that you read Jesus and the Essenes (http://books.google.com/books?id=ouQG_K9UOHkC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Jesus+and+the+essenes&hl=en&ei=tVKETOWGF4H6lweemoWyDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false) and also They walked with Jesus (http://books.google.com/books?id=FNcDAAAACAAJ&dq=They+walked+with+Jesus&hl=en&ei=L1mETK-SHMWqlAe4mq0S&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA) by Dolores Cannon, to find out more about
Jesus' life as well as his mission when he walked on this Earth. You wont be sorry, I promise you. :) Amazon is a good place to buy.

I bless and love you for your courage,

Dan

[wynderer]

Dear Chris & dear Dan -- in your posts you both reached out to me with love -- & you both have touched my well-barricaded heart

thank you & bless you both,
wynderer

[wynderer]

thank you all for responding to my post -- tho you have missed the point when you speak of my courage -- i &my courage had nothing to do w/it -- it was the Power of Christ Jesus -- nothing to do w/me

go in Peace, to all on or visiting this forum, & may the Peace of the Christ go w/you

[lightblue]

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wyndarer:
actually, i'm a woman [smile]

apologies for my ignorance, i associate alcoholism with men... i now apologise to men, but i somehow think that men are the prime target of this type of addiction..probably because of what i've seen in my immediate surrounding...i have not known of a woman alchoholic...l


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[Beren]

PS Beren
The soul belongs to God regardless of any temporary seeming possesson by outside forces.
Even in the pits of hell a humble prayer to God will have instant dramatic and positive results.
Its in the section "about the author" in all the books by "Dr David Hawkins."
Quit right. That's the power of prayer or actual and honest talk with God. It's only one thing required ,that all whom ask God something - must cast aside illusion. Must trust God and set fear aside.
Many souls identified themselves with their own illusion and even made empires in universe's vast space...
The only thing that will ever set them free is themselves in a humble attitude and addressing to God.

I could only imagine the size of their own illusions when they were ready to abandon God and became dark , to deliberately become fear and evil ...

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wyndarer:

apologies for my ignorance, i associate alcoholism with men... i now apologise to men, but i somehow think that men are the prime target of this type of addiction..probably because of what i've seen in my immediate surrounding...i have not known of a woman alchoholic...l


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It's a good thing when someone can speak with such honesty ,lightblue- I salute you for that!

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[wynderer]

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wyndarer:

apologies for my ignorance, i associate alcoholism with men... i now apologise to men, but i somehow think that men are the prime target of this type of addiction..probably because of what i've seen in my immediate surrounding...i have not known of a woman alchoholic...l


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no apology needed -- i'm wondering what country you live in, tho, that you associate alcoholism w/men only -- not the USA or Australia, i'm assuming [smile]

[lightblue]

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wyndarer:
no apology needed -- i'm wondering what country you live in, tho, that you associate alcoholism w/men only -- not the USA or Australia, i'm assuming [smile]

i assure you, my preconceptions are not representative of any country in particular...they are a result of what's staring me in the face when i walk down my local high road (8 out of 10 blokes) and instances in/and around my family...i actually like my local alcoholics, they keep an eye on my bike when i'm at the market/shops, so it doesn't get nicked... :yes4: l


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[Beren]

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wyndarer:

i assure you, my preconceptions are not representative of any country in particular...they are a result of what's staring me in the face when i walk down my local high road (8 out of 10 blokes) and instances in/and around my family...i actually like my local alcoholics, they keep an eye on my bike when i'm at the market/shops, so it doesn't get nicked... :yes4: l


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They are people too. We often don`t know that our true person shows up in moments like that,say when we speak with someone being so low and dirty, fallen down in addiction traps... there we show or not-our compassion and understanding.
In the higher sense they are our brothers despite all.

[lightblue]

beren:
They are people too. We often don`t know that our true person shows up in moments like that,say when we speak with someone being so low and dirty, fallen down in addiction traps... there we show or not-our compassion and understanding.
In the higher sense they are our brothers despite all.


they are our brothers and sisters in every sense...the state of drunkenness/numbness by alchohol or other means is a spiritual lapse in the first place... it has do with a loss of love (the sense of it) and is an outward expression of loneliness...no wonder it is said: god guards the drunks - i think that's true....

it would be arogant to think that some are more prone to it than others...:yu: l


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[Celine]

Love holds NO conditions.

Pity, shame, disgust are not born from love.

Love has no barriers.

People who judge others based on life situation, or on face value.. have NO Idea what love is..

Hearts empty of love, judge quickly , condemn hard and hate easily..


Please, just love.

[Beren]

Love holds NO conditions.

Pity, shame, disgust are not born from love.

Love has no barriers.

People who judge others based on life situation, or on face value.. have NO Idea what love is..

Hearts empty of love, judge quickly , condemn hard and hate easily..


Please, just love.

Very true!

It's a shame that we as humanity are traveling to the moon and drinking thousand dollar champagne and our brother lies down on the street drunk and lonely...
Until we as a whole realize that it's our brother or sister across us we will move no forward...

[Beren]

When a time comes when a spirit tries to influence you, a spirit that you don`t see though feel its not so good intentions, be clear that you do not need any tutoring from that being and if its not letting go, then call Christ for aid.
In times like these it may save your life in the literal way.

[wynderer]

beren:


they are our brothers and sisters in every sense...the state of drunkenness/numbness by alchohol or other means is a spiritual lapse in the first place... it has do with a loss of love (the sense of it) and is an outward expression of loneliness...no wonder it is said: god guards the drunks - i think that's true....

it would be arogant to think that some are more prone to it than others...:yu: l


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this is way off topic, but it has been determined that there is a gene for/of alcoholism -- it's something one is born with -- i know there are some silent alcoholics here on this forum

[truthseekerdan]

Love holds NO conditions.

Pity, shame, disgust are not born from love.

Love has no barriers.

People who judge others based on life situation, or on face value.. have NO Idea what love is..

Hearts empty of love, judge quickly , condemn hard and hate easily..


Please, just love.

Very true and wise, dear Celine. When you live steadfast in the light (Love), there is nothing to fear! Nothing of dark nature can survive within the Light!

http://i546.photobucket.com/albums/hh410/Lightworking/Light2.png

With Love and blessings,

Dan

[Beren]

Moemers, i hear you, and no question is ridiculous, that is how we all learn. Sometimes thing seem overwhelming. I do not let myself get caught up it it. I have learned to take things as they come. Meditation helps me greatly, it is part of my daily routine, it helps me stay connected with myself and with Spirit.

Lightseeker


Yes things seem overwhelming because in our current life we mainly live on autopilot.
Now, being like Christ demands from person to think and responsibly act.
And here lies the trouble; we don`t want responsibility. We as a collective.
But even that can change.

When all the struggles are done and when we say in our heart: " God help me,I am done with this illusion."
That`s when all changes for better.

[Beren]

You can't go on thinking nothing is wrong...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbTjzZzfR7w

[truthseekerdan]

Like this song too, Beren. Great choice! :thumb:

[Beren]

Like this song too, Beren. Great choice! :thumb:

Music is a miracle playing with vibrations...
SO often we can grasp the message when tune in the certain music ...

[wynderer]

as you see, Beren, many do go on, thinking nothing's wrong -- may God help them all when they learn otherwise [beautiful song -- i haven't heard it in a long time thanks]

[Beren]

Another tune where many things that we feel today are explained...
Too bad that people rarely pay attention to certain songs out there...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t4i_PfH2UX0&feature=related

[RedeZra]

let's give it up for the six-stringed Solfeggio shaman Scott Huckabay


Live Love in 528 and Be Blessed



Modern Psalms

ultVhdrEDzI


Universe

5_HEZDUi_Mg


Into the Spirit

9v8qv3PZ3aE

[Beren]

Beautiful music Red...

[Beren]

Been on the road recently and felt an odd vibe ,it`s like so many people are actually sleep walkers...
Like their own spirit is on autopilot and all they worry is related to materialism ...

This happens when during time you allow that certain spirits shape your visions and produce "experiences" for you without you actually living those experiences.
That`s why so many are living lives on automatic mode ,never really using their God given right to love.
All they do is fear,they always experience fear and somehow think that only fear is their right to be experienced.
Simply that`s not true and LOVE is THE experience meant for a soul. Those who lure souls in ,telling them subtly that only fear is for them are trouble makers.

And it`s sad to see that so many are choosing fear thinking that there is nothing else to live for.
Fear of losing jobs,family,friends... Fear of losing Love... I mean come on!!! Fear that you will lose Love!!!
That`s one of the biggest illusions or maybe THE Illusion of humans...

That`s why God when say that he loves us ,he really means that in all possible ways.

[hyundisonata]

I was not going to write the following statement as I wouldn’t be able to find the right words to do the subject justice. Anyway I hope some will make sense of it. And maybe it will answer the reason for fear.

The story of jimmy smith

In the beginning. ( EXCUSE THE PUN ) Jimmy died again and he was back in what he took to be a large cavern with tunnel like entrances around him apart from the far side that had three large doors. The doors where carved from top to bottom and they where surrounded by carved pillars that held up a large carved triangular mantel. No one came to him as in the last time. No past family or friends just total eerie silence.

Then a voice spoke softly asking him to approach the middle door. He walked to the door feeling the warm soothing terracotta sand between his toes even though he had shoes on. He stood awhile in front of the door waiting on it opening, still nothing happened he moved forward to look closer at the carving on the door and as he leaned forward he found himself engulfed in brilliant white. He couldn’t tell where he was as there was nothing but this white, he couldn’t even see himself as he had when at the door. He walked even though there was no floor to walk upon or legs to walk with but still having the sensation of walking.

Then someone joined him in the whiteness and spoke to him. It was a pleasant voice, a mixture of old, young, male female. It just seemed to be everything but nothing. Child the voice said, I want you to go back. You also have the choice to stay. If you go back this time you will never be able to return. At that we walked for what seemed days with nothing being said. At that time I never asked any questions, I never even thought about asking why. I just walked wrapped in this comforting whiteness. Then I stopped and told him I want to go back knowing I was loosing ever being able to return. Never be able to feel this comfort or happiness that saturated me ever again. Tears run down the face I didn’t have. The voice explained what he or she wanted from me, then I was told what I was and the role the soul plays in the universe and I would be enlightened when the time was right.

Next thing I knew was that I was back in the cavern; I could see I had legs and arms again and it seemed really strange. Then I noticed my mum and other relatives coming over to me. We hugged and chatted just like when we where all alive, I said my goodbyes knowing I would never see them again and next thing I was back in the land of the living getting the kiss of life ECT. I had only been dead fifteen or so minutes yet it seemed like a week. After that I retreated back into myself, I felt empty , hollow ,lonely , cold . Nothing seemed right and I just couldn’t adjust.

When lying in bed cuddling my wife telling her I loved her knowing I felt nothing, they were empty words and I craved the feeling and comfort of death. Time passed slowly and everything returned to normal or as normal as can be and I never dwelt on it anymore and just got on with life. Started a new construction business with my young brother and it started to be fun. That was until the abduction carry on yip it screwed my mind big style, I don’t think anyone on this planet has felt as much hatred and the need for vengeance as I did at that time. I wanted blood lots of it. At this point in my life everything had become irrelevant, everything suffered. My work, family life. All I wanted was ETs head on a spike. Driven by fear of the unknown . Even after my death experience, in fact that episode of my life was buried covered in cobwebs and that’s how it was until just recently when I finally got to meet ET without all the mind manipulation they normally use.

That’s when I learned ET was not someone to fear; in fact they are the opposite and very friendly and loving. It was ET that brought me back to reality and uncovered all the buried thoughts, he took time to explain what life was and yes even god. Since then I have been asked to do two things, one is for ET and that is to make contact with another species that shares this planet with us. And the other was from the voice I spoke with when dead that told me to listen to the upside down people. At this I am still learning. I know who they are but still do not know what I am meant to listen to. No doubt I will find the answer in time. I know I can come across as hard. Cold and sometimes abusive, I never have been good with words.

So I ask for you to be patent with me as I will get there. And at the end of the day we are searching for the same answers. and that is what is truth and how to bring peace and harmony back to this world.

---

As stated I cannot go where you all will be going when your time is right. And yes I can honestly say I am jealous of you all. I will tell you part of what I was told, it is your choice to believe it or not.

The person consists of three parts.

The host.
The soul.
The inner soul (the real you)

The host is flesh and bone, the soul is pure energy, and the inner soul is the spark of life that is you.
When a man and woman create a child they both give part of their inner soul to the child this is then repeated through time creating more souls. You are not reincarnated. Upon death the soul and the inner soul join with god. Upon entering heaven the soul separates from the inner soul and becomes part of the power in heaven. The inner soul that is the real you memories ECT goes on to live eternally in heaven able to do or be what it likes, please note you cannot take bad thoughts or think them it is imposable to do such.

When living on earth, the soul forms quickly and starts to store energy. The host is controlled by the conscious mind and the inner soul controls the sub conscious mind, this way it communicates with the host via the conscious mind. The host although only a machine does have the ability to think but still relies upon the soul to live, sometimes the link between the two can be lost, this does not mean the sole will not go to heaven, it will. What this means is what is known as evil, evil is not an outside factor, it is only a communication break down. Years back man discovered the ability in how to disrupt this communication and through time have perfected it as a control factor. Although it does not effect the end result. But it does cause problems on earth as you were designated caretakers. This is not the only spark of life on this world, there are many souls and some we know nothing about and others we see daily, from plant life to all animal life ect .gods intentions are to bring all animal life forward via evolution to the point of obtaining energy via your surrounding universe instead of via other life forms as he has accomplished with ET.

As stated this is only part of what was explained to me. You can rebuild the connection and basically talk to yourself. In doing so you will regain an inner love and other emotions that will change your life and the world around you and how you perceive others. The second coming does not mean god will walk upon the earth, it means you are being given the offer of a second chance .take it.

[Beren]

As Richard made a thread about Asthar and rest of the crew I have to again point towards spirits that co exist around us.
The things is and was always that we are in process of inheriting the divine household , to be as Father , to be Gods.
But no one will become as God unless he/she surrenders their ego and embrace Love instead of fear.
That`s why Christ stated that two most important things that holds everything are:
1. Love God (Creator) with all your soul,heart,mind and strength .
2. Love your neighbor as yourself.

And precisely because those spirits forgot to do this they became as we know of today-evil.
Let us not fall into their trap.

[truthseekerdan]

New Age and religions believe in light and dark, but there is no light, nor darkness. These are illusions. The concept that light is needed to balance the darkness is totally wrong, and belief in the concept of light is a kind of a separation trap as that of the faith in the dark. To believe in 'light', is believing in 'dark', so that faith in 'light' creates the illusion of its polar energy -- 'darkness'.

Moreover, these are expressions of the mind, and a separation from the whole. Light and darkness are mental concepts (ego) illusions, created with the purpose to cause division, conflict and fear. Infinity is not lighter than it is darker. It is the harmony and balance of everything that is. There is no good or bad, light or dark, black or white, male or female, it just is -- Wholeness.

So there are no demons -- If Infinite Love is everything, and the rest is illusion, demons are nothing but illusions, right? :) They are just projected holograms designed to frighten and manipulate the ego mind' imagination. The idea that light must fight against darkness and demons only reinforces their belief in reality. There is no need to fight with anything, and those that do, give more power to the illusion confirming that they (demons) are real.

As I said, fighting against something, you become that thing. If people do not like the current reality, then change your perspective to another, and the current reality manifestation will disappear. If you do not like the 'dream present reality', Then dream of another better reality.

Love and blessings,

Dan

[Beren]

New Age and religions believe in light and dark, but there is no light, nor darkness. These are illusions. The concept that light is needed to balance the darkness is totally wrong, and belief in the concept of light is a kind of a separation trap as that of the faith in the dark. To believe in 'light', is believing in 'dark', so that faith in 'light' creates the illusion of its polar energy -- 'darkness'.

Moreover, these are expressions of the mind, and a separation from the whole. Light and darkness are mental concepts (ego) illusions, created with the purpose to cause division, conflict and fear. Infinity is not lighter than it is darker. It is the harmony and balance of everything that is. There is no good or bad, light or dark, black or white, male or female, it just is -- Wholeness.

So there are no demons -- If Infinite Love is everything, and the rest is illusion, demons are nothing but illusions, right? :) They are just projected holograms designed to frighten and manipulate the ego mind' imagination. The idea that light must fight against darkness and demons only reinforces their belief in reality. There is no need to fight with anything, and those that do, give more power to the illusion confirming that they (demons) are real.

As I said, fighting against something, you become that thing. If people do not like the current reality, then change your perspective to another, and the current reality manifestation will disappear. If you do not like the 'dream present reality', Then dream of another better reality.

Love and blessings,

Dan


If you look in the absolute in which Creator exist then this is true. However as we are not living in the absolute - all these things exist - angels ,demons, evil,darkness,light,love ,fear ,...you name it.
And also as you said ,I would add this to your thoughts; you do not need to fight demons. If they attack or harass ,you just call Creator to stop that. So actually there is no fight between you and them.
But nevertheless they are very real , as all else is very real despite all may be illusion-it's existing nevertheless.
You may see it as illusion but it's still there...Key is in understanding of Creator's reality because we are called there.

[truthseekerdan]

If you look in the absolute in which Creator exist then this is true. However as we are not living in the absolute - all these things exist - angels ,demons, evil,darkness,light,love ,fear ,...you name it.

Hi Beren, if (when) you realize that the physical body is not the real you, but an instrument to experience this reality, and that you are really an individual consciousness part of the Creator (which is the sum of all individual consciousnesses) -- then 'all those things' that you described will cease to exist, because you'll stop creating them. Remember you are a creator too. :)

And also as you said ,I would add this to your thoughts; you do not need to fight demons. If they attack or harass ,you just call Creator to stop that. So actually there is no fight between you and them.

As I mentioned above, if you create them then you'll be the 'victim' of their attack...

But nevertheless they are very real , as all else is very real despite all may be illusion-it's existing nevertheless.
You may see it as illusion but it's still there...Key is in understanding of Creator's reality because we are called there.

Once again the key is understanding the first statement.

Love and blessings,

Dan

[Beren]

Love and blessings,

Dan


I know that Dan but for the sake of others who read this thread I write how I write. It`s very hard to understand these things since we were so long in deep sleep and all this can sound gibberish to many.

In the past I felt this things in the way that you describe but didn`t know how to elaborate or describe it.

And frankly I am tired of this Earthly experience.
I feel it in my bones that I`m done with it.
From my earliest memories in current life, I never felt a part of this world even though sometimes strongly desired to be a part of.
And as more I wanted the more I was hurt by this world until I decided long ago that I really do not belong here and that I will cease any attempt to be of this world.
And from then on I took a path that was living in me, that was mine. Of being one with God and helping others.
Took me awhile to unlearn things that were putting me in slavery again, invisible slavery.
And frankly thank God for being there for me and opening door towards him.

And I don`t know what will happen tomorrow, but I know where I will be, always with the Father where my home is. In ways that surpasses current understandings-mine and of others.

Be well and blessed, dear friend!

Beren

[Rocky_Shorz]

well I can confirm 100% that earthlings weren't the only one's standing at the pearly gates...

but I didn't see any Grays or Lizards...

were humans created by advanced races to start spirituality?

It's like they mixed soul into our creation soup if that makes sense...

[truthseekerdan]

We are all one consciousness. In truth we are all living as one through God, the divine creator :)

David Icke - We are the Dream and the Dreamer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9pkvEVEeyA)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9pkvEVEeyA

[Banshee]

.......................................

[sygh]

Everybody reacts differently, when faced with spiritual truths. Some people get scared and run away. As much as you might want it for them, some simply cannot face a spiritual awakening at this juncture. Until the spiritual channel of energy is open, it can be very hard to believe. Its nothing personal, I mean, its not a personal attack on your good will. Of course, you know this but it doesn't hurt to say it again for any of us.

[Beren]

Everybody reacts differently, when faced with spiritual truths. Some people get scared and run away. As much as you might want it for them, some simply cannot face a spiritual awakening at this juncture. Until the spiritual channel of energy is open, it can be very hard to believe. Its nothing personal, I mean, its not a personal attack on your good will. Of course, you know this but it doesn't hurt to say it again for any of us.

True, it seems like many can't face the other dimension reality existence.
Fear of all that is different than you and how you define reality...

[PathWalker]

Everybody reacts differently, when faced with spiritual truths. Some people get scared and run away. As much as you might want it for them, some simply cannot face a spiritual awakening at this juncture. Until the spiritual channel of energy is open, it can be very hard to believe. Its nothing personal, I mean, its not a personal attack on your good will. Of course, you know this but it doesn't hurt to say it again for any of us.

It is very personal. The most personal it can be. We, each of us get her/his own personal lessons from the other souls around. With their cooperation. The game is incredible, and precise. Like the laws of physics.
When we learn to take full responsibility to the happening in our life (joy as well as pain), we start to evolve. The more responsible we are the faster we evolve spiritually. Read about the 12 laws of Karma, from Tibetan Buddhism. http://healpastlives.com/future/rule/rusumary.htm

[Beren]

Recently I had the experience of deeper connecting with the spirit and Father.
And the thing I want to share with all that will read it here is that in times that are approaching fast, the only connection that may save your life will be with the essence-God-Creator-Love.

It seems like all else will be cut off and that probably a mass panic will struck people.
Connect now. Do not wait for the last minute.
It is easy and personal. No technique ,no mantra, no meditation no chanting ,nothing but your genuine and deeply personal conversation with the Father of life.
Call it God or Creator or Father (as I call him) ,it makes no difference. Important thing is to connect. This is one of the last calls in these times, at least here on the forum.
Of course all hearts and souls are known to God and whom ever choses to come to Love will be heard and helped in all ways.

Find peace in him and deaf your soul ears and heart ears of the noise of nowadays world.

May all be blessed in the name of Love, in the name of I AM.

[truthseekerdan]

Beren, I hope you'll enjoy this video...:love: ~ Dan

K3TjQKdKHjQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K3TjQKdKHjQ

[1love]

I don't doubt there can be negative influences in our lives whether they are spirituallly, mentally, or physically but let's not let influence be a scapegoat to free will. I think the moment we place blame on something else outside ourselves we are denying a potential and creativity within ourselves and source. We can make excuses all day and I understand that they are more predominant than they have ever been but let's think of the possibility of overcoming these adversities and what that accomplishment can mean!

[Hughe]

The person consists of three parts.
The host.
The soul.
The inner soul (the real you)


My analysis of human is:
body (host): physical body
mental: intelligence, logic, reasoning, etc.
mind: emotion, feeling
consciousness (the soul): subconsciousness in hypnosis
soul (the inner soul)

[truthseekerdan]

My analysis of human is:
body (host): physical body
mental: intelligence, logic, reasoning, etc.
mind: emotion, feeling
consciousness (the soul): subconsciousness in hypnosis
soul (the inner soul)

I’d like to share my understanding (perspective) on this:


Physical body: vehicle to experience this 3D reality;

Soul: conscious fragment from your Higher Self (your true god like essence);


Mind: physical brain (ego-mind) to experience all the reasoning and emotions outside/other than Unconditional Love (freedom of choice).


This is in short terms without elaborating...:love:

[Initiate]

This is my understanding:

as above so below

Man was created in the image of God

above.........The God head
........................../..\
........................./.....\
......................../.......\
......................./..........\
............Holy Spirit....Mediators

below.........Spirit........Body
.......................\........../
........................\......../
.........................\....../
..........................\..../
..............I AM (fragment of God)

above and below can come into union to form Merkeba.

Soul is the record of experiences. The sum of who you are.

[greybeard]

Recently I had the experience of deeper connecting with the spirit and Father.
And the thing I want to share with all that will read it here is that in times that are approaching fast, the only connection that may save your life will be with the essence-God-Creator-Love.

It seems like all else will be cut off and that probably a mass panic will struck people.
Connect now. Do not wait for the last minute.
It is easy and personal. No technique ,no mantra, no meditation no chanting ,nothing but your genuine and deeply personal conversation with the Father of life.
Call it God or Creator or Father (as I call him) ,it makes no difference. Important thing is to connect. This is one of the last calls in these times, at least here on the forum.
Of course all hearts and souls are known to God and whom ever choses to come to Love will be heard and helped in all ways.

Find peace in him and deaf your soul ears and heart ears of the noise of nowadays world.

May all be blessed in the name of Love, in the name of I AM.

May well be so Beren.
When the atom bomb went of in Japan some Buddhist monks survived very close to the blast, that is not possible in earthly terms without Divine intervention.
Eckhart Tolle in "The Power of Now" and on cds speaks of the human race as being dysfunctional, that consciousness is rising because it has to if the human race is to survive, he speaks of increasing madness and the financial structures collapsing.
We are in for an exciting ride.
I dont mind exiting this world Im a realist at some point everyone does, but I would rather drift of in my sleep when the time comes.
However I feel sure we are in for some very dramatic changes and aligning with Gods will and asking for His help has helped me through personal challenges (Alcoholism being but one of them).
You advice is sound Beren I hope all who read your message heed it.
Its not scare mongering its sound advice
Love Chris

[Beren]

For the sake of newcomers here , I brought up this thread again . Please read the opening comment.
May you all be blessed!

[Wood]

When the atom bomb went of in Japan some Buddhist monks survived very close to the blast, that is not possible in earthly terms without Divine intervention.

Wow, thank you for that bit greybeard. I wonder if they were Nichiren buddhists (lotus sutra). Do you have a link for that story?

EDIT: according to this link (http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/446783-group-priests-survive-wwii-h-bomb.html) they were not buddhists but jesuits, 'Catholic clergy living the message of Fatima'.


It was reproducible. It happened twice: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Both sets of survivors were Catholic religious.

[greybeard]

Wow, thank you for that bit greybeard. I wonder if they were Nichiren buddhists (lotus sutra). Do you have a link for that story?

EDIT: according to this link (http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/spiritual-discussions/446783-group-priests-survive-wwii-h-bomb.html) they were not buddhists but jesuits, 'Catholic clergy living the message of Fatima'.

Thanks for putting the record straight Wood.
My memory is not brilliant.
It is amazing though.
I dident know it happened twice
The power of the Divine
C

[Carmody]

oh oh! this is headed straight into the 'soul harvester' thread. That one was interesting.

[Nela]

For the sake of newcomers here , I brought up this thread again . Please read the opening comment.
May you all be blessed!

Great thread Baren!
For me, "the battle" started after I was able to percieve and understand everyday "attacks" from the dark side (they are operating in daily lifes of us all). I have observed their way of working, their modes of attack (and I have suffered, oh yes!). Than, I have tried to devise a way to counter those attacks. The best strategy I have devised is to define the "hook" inside my being to which they direct attack (it could be anything- from false belief, attachment, ego...). Than I intend to deal with that weak spot, and I ask for whatever help can be given to me by my Higher Self without impairing my learning process. Than I would start to work- at the begining only observing my behaviour and than slowly changing it, without being judgmental. Also, expresing gratitude for "dark pointers" with the intent of learning all my lessons in the most gaceful way and understandfing that power they have is a power I give them. Once you do this, you shine the light of your awareness to them and to their modes of attack, they usually decide that things are getting too "hot" for them, and attack stops (sometimes they even show their "rage" by doing something really obvious and stupid:confused:). But that strategy brings following formula: each problem they bring into my life, I percieve as a mystery that I can reveal- to know something about hidden aspects of myself and unlock one more door toward freedom. Each time I win that challenge, I get a peace of my personal power that was locked behind those door. With increased personal power, I enlarge my perception. With enlarged perception, I can better observe laws of the universe and rules of the game and how I can use them. With this, I get increased sense of well being and my outside world changes without me putting any special effort into that. Also, my senses are becoming more attuned to the "invisible", so my "playing field" gets bigger and the range of my choices widened. And this is a game, and it is fun (but that doesn't mean that I don't get knocked-down sometimes!!!).

In dealing with this subject, I would strongly recommend web site Montalk.net, and books of Theun Mares (toltec teachings but very aplicable to everyday life)- both are great sources of knowledge on how to deal with the "enemy".

[mrmalco]

A great thread. Thanks to Beren and all who opened their hearts here.

[mrmalco]

A second thought ... Initiate, thanks for the map. And you quote the Emerald Tablet - a further detail on that that makes a point that often gets lost. The actual text of the tablet has a continuation to the sentence that everybody quotes. It goes: 'As is the Lower, so is the Higher - as is Higher, so is the Lower; in the making of Miracle the One Thing.'
The text is a perfect distillation of the process of spiritual alchemy.

Quod est Inferius est sicut quod est Superius,
et quod est Superius est sicut quod est Inferius,
ad perpetranda Miracula Rei Unius.

[Beren]

A great thread. Thanks to Beren and all who opened their hearts here.

Blessing to you and all here !

This all is one tough game, painful while going through but everlasting blessing it carries.
Only a wise choice of Love will be the way.

[Beren]

It is funny ,when I started this thread I meant exactly what I wrote in the opening post.
Now few months later Bill issues interview with Charles.
I don`t know how many of you noticed this but it`s ALL about spiritual core of the matter.
Charles spoke a bit about that but he evades cleverly open answers so people can show what they think.
One thing is sure what ever entity that interferes in your life IS there for a reason.
It`s up to you and me to chose will we embrace the way of fear and its lower realities ,or we will take the way of Love and its higher realities.

I made my choice a very long time ago and repeated it in the opening statement.

" let ones whom have ears-hear and ones whom has eyes-see"

[slvrfx]

I made my choice a very long time ago and repeated it in the opening statement.

" let ones whom have ears-hear and ones whom has eyes-see"

I see you became a member almost one years ago. I'm a newbie. Became a member just so I could comment on Bill's interview with Charles.

I find myself using those words a lot too.

Amazing.

[Beren]

I see you became a member almost one years ago. I'm a newbie. Became a member just so I could comment on Bill's interview with Charles.

I find myself using those words a lot too.

Amazing.

Thanks!

Actually I joined this forum in its first edition in September of 2009. Before that I was reading it anonymous for a year or so...so it`s like a third year :).

What is different here is the level of maturity and respect for others despite occasional clashes.

We are all connected whether we realize it or not.

Welcome friend and I hope you can find many good insights here.

[katewilliams79]

Likewise! I ask that all the time. I wish I knew what to do to discern between what could be my thoughts/deeds and those that may not be, if you see what I mean? That's the key.

[Beren]

Likewise! I ask that all the time. I wish I knew what to do to discern between what could be my thoughts/deeds and those that may not be, if you see what I mean? That's the key.

Well ,one thing that you can do is to reevaluate the aims of certain thoughts.
If a thought is affecting you to be better in any way or to do good to anyone in anyway -then it`s yours and from higher source-God.
God is always communicating with us whether we realize it or not.

But if a thought `s aim isn`t higher good and kinda steps you back ,then probably it`s someone else`s energy infusion in your mind.
Maybe even yours in prolonged state of low vibration.

[katewilliams79]

Can I ask, please, if soul retrieval helps? Has anyone been through that journeying at all? Only I wondered if it helps, so that one may overcome traumatic events in their lives to be able to move on and do good in this world?

[Beren]

Can I ask, please, if soul retrieval helps? Has anyone been through that journeying at all? Only I wondered if it helps, so that one may overcome traumatic events in their lives to be able to move on and do good in this world?


What do you mean by soul retrieval?

[Nela]

What do you mean by soul retrieval?

It's shamanic practice. The idea behind is that during traumatic and painful experiences or illnesses your soul or it's fragments can decide to leave the body, or they can get caught up in the trauma. Experienced shamans are doing soul retrievals by shamanic journeying to the Underworld where they find your soul and get it back. While anyone can do shamanic journeying, this practice is not recommended for inexperienced people, because shamans sometimes have to engage in battle against dark forces in order to take the soul back.

I am practicing shamanic journeying for my own learning and fun, but I have no idea weather soul retrieval really helps. But anyway, it take a really experienced and initiated shaman to do that.

[MariaDine]

«I am practicing shamanic journeying for my own learning and fun, but I have no idea weather soul retrieval really helps. But anyway, it take a really experienced and initiated shaman to do that.[/QUOTE]

Don't forget your cloack... :)

Namasté

[MariaDine]

[QUOTE=Beren
" let ones whom have ears-hear and ones whom has eyes-see"[/QUOTE]

Hum...I'm seeing very little progress. But ,then again, it's up to people to do their own choices, although the Info is NOW being presented in plain sight.

Namasté

[Nela]

«I am practicing shamanic journeying for my own learning and fun, but I have no idea weather soul retrieval really helps. But anyway, it take a really experienced and initiated shaman to do that.

Don't forget your cloack... :)

Namasté[/QUOTE]

Pijamas works just fine...:sleep:

[ArjunaArcana]

Fear not a war for your soul, they might hurt you but cant destroy the soul for it is the Creators property and mystery, no one knows exactly what and how does the soul works.

But rest assured, everything in creation is transpiring as planned.

[Beren]

Fear not a war for your soul, they might hurt you but cant destroy the soul for it is the Creators property and mystery, no one knows exactly what and how does the soul works.

But rest assured, everything in creation is transpiring as planned.


I could say you are very right!
On lower levels it looks like war for souls, which indeed it is on the lower level of conscience. Thus vibrating up and raising awareness is crucial of exiting that illusion struggle.

[Nela]

I could say you are very right!
On lower levels it looks like war for souls, which indeed it is on the lower level of conscience. Thus vibrating up and raising awareness is crucial of exiting that illusion struggle.

It seems that there are forces that have some problem with that. Check this out:

"Becoming" George Green, page 151 (emphasis mine):

QUOTE
These messages continue to follow a theme of clarifying
the current situation with its probable continuity for
humanity in a downward spiral of experience into abject
slavery and the intended destruction of the soul energy that
is the focus that places and holds the spark of life within each
body. That spark is experienced as individual self-awareness.
Stripping this aspect of life from the human expression
would return it to the animal state and to what is thought to
be an ideal slave archetype. That is the simplest explanation
of the planned future. The greatest problem is the desire of
the controllers to retain a percentage of intelligence that is
linked to the self-aware state. Thus, experiments and continual
testing go on to determine what techniques of mind control
and physical adaptability can bring about this ideal prototype.
It is hoped that this planned scenario that awaits
those who continue to accept the indoctrination, the vaccinations,
the regimentation and the subordination of their
will to powers outside themselves is now vividly envisioned
by those who read and accept the possibility that the content
of these messages contains truth.
END QUOTE

(book can be downloaded here: http://www.nohoax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24&catid=1)

[Beren]

Hum...I'm seeing very little progress. But ,then again, it's up to people to do their own choices, although the Info is NOW being presented in plain sight.

Namasté

Indeed.
It was always out in the open but people tend to choose to NOT see or hear...

[Nela]

Indeed.
It was always out in the open but people tend to choose to NOT see or hear...

Soon, time will come when that choice will not be available any more...

[Butterfli13]

So I have a question pertaining to this. It's been in my mind all day.

I feel like there's something big coming, and I wish I could elaborate on that, but I find myself unable to, which may be part of the problem.

I don't feel like I'm ready. I don't feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be, like I'm just ...completely behind.

I'm a relative newcomer to most of the information on this board and its many sources, but I've been interested in spirituality my whole life.

I guess my question is, Am I just being negative because of the mass of information I've still yet to accumulate stressing me out?

How do I prepare further? Will I know in my heart, without a doubt, that I am advancing?

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the ridiculous questions. It's been a weird day.

Try to keep yourself centered, even tho it's hard to... I'm new to meditating, and I've come to realize its a gradual process... the more I focus on my inner self, the more centered I become, & I really find peace within. There is no "wrong" way to meditate, IMO. Do what's comfortable for you, and gives YOU peace...
Listen to your gut instinct. It'll NEVER lead you in the wrong direction. You will be where you NEED to be when something happens. Esp. if you trust your gut.

[Ides315]

If I can ask;

How many people also see the energies applied to create the "great illusion" that keeps the masses from waking up? If you go out and look back at the planet there is this energy that blocks so many from seeing and leaves the appearence that they choose not to when it is really a blockage.

My other question would be this:

How many people see the power networks that drain energy off of the masses for a few? And have you ever followed them to the taker? (Do not try this unless you really know what you are doing, you don't want to be noticed by such things).

[Beren]

If I can ask;

How many people also see the energies applied to create the "great illusion" that keeps the masses from waking up? If you go out and look back at the planet there is this energy that blocks so many from seeing and leaves the appearence that they choose not to when it is really a blockage.

My other question would be this:

How many people see the power networks that drain energy off of the masses for a few? And have you ever followed them to the taker? (Do not try this unless you really know what you are doing, you don't want to be noticed by such things).

I can say that in my view I do not need to follow the energy stream further to see whom reflect it. It is quite obvious as soon as you read the energies of which stream they are.
If root stream is fear then you can sense pretty much soon that something is wrong .
Many demonic energies are quite unstable so you just see and feel them exposing themselves.

And regarding to how many people sees energies of this kind... I guess that almost all feel it but do not have a courage to stand their ground...

[Hughe]

Why there are so many addicts and people suicide? That's good indicator most people do feel the negative, dark presence that overwhelms their mind / feeling / everything. It doesn't really go into non-physical realm nor entities. I mean any human being who has consciousness and feeling do recognize it. It's too much for them to take so they shut themselves from the reality by taking various substances, consumer products. Nowadays the number of addicts from chemical substances, sex, to newly emerging video games, increase from five year old children to elders.

I remember my grand father always played cards when he became weak and had been cared till he passed away. He had been respectful, wise, capable man in town for many years. Elders who never got used to meditate or non-physical presence, getting old and being sick would destroy most of their spirits. Because when they were young, they spent all the energy and mind and body throughly drained by the society or system.

Individuals no matter how young or powerful who is being caught-up five sense reality would get absolute terror when they face death. They do whatever they can hold to get away from that fear. That's why institutionalized religions and health care industry for elders are flourishing nowadays.

I've had many wild dreams for last month. Maybe I let the guard down a little and became lazy or the world is in big change. Last night while in a dream, I had to watch an non-human entity sucked out life energy from a human. I was hopefulness and sensed the smell of darkness from that entity. Suppose it attacked me, would I be panic? A little bit but not too much. I know this physical body is temporary vehicle on Earth for now. I have little attachment on this life. It's just another journey to me.

Watch how this world turns into. It's fighting against spirituality and materialism too.

[greybeard]

Thing is a lot of people actually dont have it that bad so they cant see the need for change.
Yes they might bitch and complain but its relatively minor, simply everyone sees that the have similar ups and downs and that life is more comfortable than in our parents time.
So there is the TV the arm chair, comfort zone, Dont disturb that at any price.

Those who have an addiction problem if they hit rock bottom have an opportunity through AA and NA to enter in to the 12 step spiritual program get clean and see the world afresh and new through sober eyes.
Many do.
Chris

[Beren]

Thing is a lot of people actually dont have it that bad so they cant see the need for change.
Yes they might bitch and complain but its relatively minor, simply everyone sees that the have similar ups and downs and that life is more comfortable than in our parents time.
So there is the TV the arm chair, comfort zone, Dont disturb that at any price.

Those who have an addiction problem if they hit rock bottom have an opportunity through AA and NA to enter in to the 12 step spiritual program get clean and see the world afresh and new through sober eyes.
Many do.
Chris

It`s true Chris, many don`t care as long as they are living comfy life. But the thing is that their comfortable life goes with the price for many others. Triple layered toilette paper as it is being used in western countries or practically everywhere in modern world is costing us thousands of acres of forests!!!

Insanity!!!

That`s why this comfy life has to end if it is lived upon the backs of others.
We can`t build a new house upon old foundations.

This whole world needs to crush down. I mean first in minds and hearts and then literary. Then it can be rebuilt .

Among many ,that was one of the Christ`s messages . BE REBORN!

[greybeard]

It`s true Chris, many don`t care as long as they are living comfy life. But the thing is that their comfortable life goes with the price for many others. Triple layered toilette paper as it is being used in western countries or practically everywhere in modern world is costing us thousands of acres of forests!!!

Insanity!!!

That`s why this comfy life has to end if it is lived upon the backs of others.
We can`t build a new house upon old foundations.

This whole world needs to crush down. I mean first in minds and hearts and then literary. Then it can be rebuilt .

Among many ,that was one of the Christ`s messages . BE REBORN!

Most are really unaware of how the other lives.

Beren
I once though about how many people were involved in putting a can of beans on my table.
Try think it through, its staggering.
Even the tin for the can has to be mined, the paper for the label (trees) diesel oil for the deliver lorry.
the manufacture of the lorry. Its endless and thats before we even get to "making" the baked beans.

Did you know than on average the Red Indians worked less than 4 hours a day, the rest of time spent story telling, dancing, having fun.

We think we are civilized, Ha ha we lost it longtime back.

If Tesco couldn't deliver for a month we are f*****d

So it will take time to get back to living on and off the land but it is possible.

Keep the Heid Beren.

Chris

[Beren]

We`re living in a modern slave world of illusion. Your red indian story just nailed it.
It`s amazing what is happening and we just don`t see it as a whole...

But I am not afraid. After all ,everything will be remade. It`s just a sad loss for abused experience here and now...
Even this experience is valuable but if we`re not sleeping that much as humanity we`d sort out this mess long time ago...

"Before the leaves have fallen, before we lock the doors, there must be third and last dance, this one will last forever, it can only take place when struggle between our children is ended, now the Miracle and the
Sleeper know that the third is love.
Love is the Dance of Eternity"

[seko]

When we stop leaning into the materialistic and our HUGE ego, we will start learning the right way. So take a minute and start listening to your breathing, then you won't be able to think in anything else.

Nice thread.

:drum:

[Beren]

There is no progress or real awakening until we understand every thought and bless it for it was there for us for some reason particular to everyone.

[Beren]

It seems that all is coming to this; to be or not to be-question is now.

What would it mean to you to BE?
Or not to BE?

Say for example you are on a certain level of awareness and understanding. A spirit comes into your life and you feel bad and that it`s energy draining experience.

How do you BE or not to BE in this situation?
One thing has to be always remembered , everything that came into our life is invited by us whether we realize it or not.

[Beren]

Thank God for inspiring me to start this thread a while ago. this IS the war for souls. Or accurately notice a war for souls attention!
Observe the energies behind this all in forum and you`ll see...

[greybeard]

The right man for the job
Yes You Beren.
United we stand.
You are an in spirit ation (inspiration)
Much love
Chris

[Belle]

"Before the leaves have fallen, before we lock the doors, there must be third and last dance, this one will last forever, it can only take place when struggle between our children is ended, now the Miracle and the
Sleeper know that the third is love.
Love is the Dance of Eternity"

I must admit I don't fully understand the quote, but my spirit leapt at the words. There's a tear in my eyes and a fullness in my heart...Thank you Beren.

[Beren]

"Before the leaves have fallen, before we lock the doors, there must be third and last dance, this one will last forever, it can only take place when struggle between our children is ended, now the Miracle and the
Sleeper know that the third is love.
Love is the Dance of Eternity"

I must admit I don't fully understand the quote, but my spirit leapt at the words. There's a tear in my eyes and a fullness in my heart...Thank you Beren.


You are welcome!
That was from the Dream Theater song - Metropolis part I.

Music is a bit tough since it is a sympho metal but lyrics are divine!

[Beren]

"Somewhere like a scene from a memory
There's a picture worth a thousand words
Eluding stares from faces before me
It hides away and will never be heard of again"

Dream Theater- metropolis part I

[enoch]

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[Laura Elina]

It was really nice reading this thread, left me with a good feeling, a war of souls.. As long as we remember the only soldier in the field that can "kill" you is you.

[Beren]

It was really nice reading this thread, left me with a good feeling, a war of souls.. As long as we remember the only soldier in the field that can "kill" you is you.

Thanks for reading. I barely write on Avalon in the last few months since I felt that I was needed elsewhere. Nevertheless it is indeed a war for souls. A war that we projected and forgot that we projected it. That's why we see all these atrocities in the world.

Thing is to recognize what's going on and to stop it, change it , purify it . Some entities who wish to control us and above all who are stuck in power game are the ones who are the most needy for remembrance. Alas they are the ones who are most hard to reach . They built all those systems around them to protect their amnesia. All those tyrants in various dimensional and technological advance.

Always remember Christ and his true role in liberating people.

When you are free from illusions you see that nothing stands in between you and Creator -the source of life and light and love. You see that you can do anything. You see the connection between your thoughts and its results and you choose your thoughts wisely, you create really.

This war for souls will continue forever as long as there are those trapped in their illusions and power games.

But fear not! There is hope!

;)

[Star1111]

Some thing also to be aware of is that before the third eye begins to open there is a certain naivety, forgiving is one thing, condoning some thing else.
The spiritually advanced is astute and exercises extreme discernment.
The spiritual path is not all hearts and roses.

I so agree Greybeard, .................. proceed with caution, but always with LOVE.

[Beren]

But never forget that little thingy ... free will. By free will that is granted to me I choose to know and to be. I choose to live and to love. I choose to have nothing with darkness. I choose to live my life like some people never will, I choose to find kindness ,beauty and truth.

Those words deserve to be repeated here again. And they are as stronger as time draws on.
Spiritual encounters of all kind are raising their pace here and now in the world.

Good thing to be aware of is to face the fear with good heart, cast it aside and move on into Love.

[greybeard]

Beware of the serpent


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hwtta0fFM&feature=player_embedded#!

[Xenos]

That is why this is a war for souls. They wish that humans be enslaved or dead. Why?
Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.

Nice :)

But for me your answer is not an answer, because it supposed that they are not blessed ? Come on ! Do you refuse the Unity of "God" ? They aren't a part of the Unity ?

I'm sorry, but they are and for them it is a problem when people spread words like you do, because they don't want your philosophy. Would you accept that a lad reject you because your not blessed ? How can he can tell that ? He can't ! He doesn't even know why everything is going on ! Simple.

I spoked a lot about this with them and they are ready to change and all the stuff, but not for people think your way. I have to be honnest. And it is not conform to "God" this way of thinking... "i'm blessed and not you"... where is the kindergarden ?

What is the war souls ? Why ? It is really happen, you right and the story is big, very big, true, but everybody has to change their mind. No only them. Everybody, everywhere :)

I'm speaking as a brother, not as an ennemy

[Beren]

That is why this is a war for souls. They wish that humans be enslaved or dead. Why?
Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.

Nice :)

But for me your answer is not an answer, because it supposed that they are not blessed ? Come on ! Do you refuse the Unity of "God" ? They aren't a part of the Unity ?

I'm sorry, but they are and for them it is a problem when people spread words like you do, because they don't want your philosophy. Would you accept that a lad reject you because your not blessed ? How can he can tell that ? He can't ! He doesn't even know why everything is going on ! Simple.

I spoked a lot about this with them and they are ready to change and all the stuff, but not for people think your way. I have to be honnest. And it is not conform to "God" this way of thinking... "i'm blessed and not you"... where is the kindergarden ?

What is the war souls ? Why ? It is really happen, you right and the story is big, very big, true, but everybody has to change their mind. No only them. Everybody, everywhere :)

I'm speaking as a brother, not as an ennemy

And you will hear my reply as a brother too :)

First of all whom do you are referring to? Spiritual beings or humans that call them selves rulers of the world?

[Xenos]

Hello Beren :)

I'm not refering to the human "ruler of the world", they rules nothing in fact... they are just allowed to do what they're doing. We are an experience, created by other intelligence (doesn't mean that we have to see them as gods, but as brother), so what the "ruler are doing" is part of the experience. It is interesting to watch people so fare of what they are and to see how the rest of the population is reacting. You know from a certain point of view it is wonderful and really beautiful... we are a piece of art as you cannot imagine (a way of speaking) !

I think your question refer to this : I'm sorry, but they are and for them it is a problem when people spread words like you do, because they don't want your philosophy. Would you accept that a lad reject you because your not blessed ? How can he can tell that ? He can't ! He doesn't even know why everything is going on ! Simple.

Am i right ?

If it is, my words concern spiritual beings and E.T. It is hard to continue without saying a word about the experience... because a big part of the story fit inside.

So read my book :)

I'm kidding ;) Well, The Source created the Universe. I saw The Source in my life and the creation of the Universe. What I saw is reported by very few accurate Holy texts, from Nag Hammadi (don't know if you heard about), by the Cathare (french christianism) too and other, but few people.

So, The Source is The Source. It mean that every creation everywhere is connected to The Source. So, the E.T and all the family doesn't have a soul, because their soul is The Source. They are emanation of The Source, sort of living concept. But the E.T or spiritual being are... nothing confront to the whole story... little things... sweet things :)

The E.T, sons of the matrix as human or new age call it, because a Christians call it Demiurge (in french), the spirit of matter. Those races wanted to understand where they are living, because when you are an emanation of The Source, you are The Source. That's why in every testimonies of people speaking about E.T, they are a big family, doesn't have sexual organs, etc. Because in the reality it is that way. In reality we can even change or decide your sex. So two men can be in love, and they change their body into women as they like to make love... other things as to be considering, but you'll have to read my book lol :)

So, as stupid or curious (not to be offensive), they created us, with a modify DNA. Because a modify creature is not living The Source, it has to understand it. And from our question and our discoveries, they evolve, spiritually. After... the story is big, because other races doesn't want us... anyway. The modification of the DNA, separating the creature from The Source had a consequence... the Soul. That's why it his written "in a hateful body a great treasure fit in, because we hide rich things in poor form" (almost ;) )

All the stories of control all over Earth and since... long time lol ! Is made to keep us under control. So... it is very long long long time...

Honestly the "ruler" will be erased as we crush a fly, because they don't need them anymore, because in reality they rule nothing, they are useless and they are nothing just nothing, a shadow of what they will never be. They have the illusion to be powerful and it is interesting to see how they use this power.

Forget the "ruler" lol, we live in a spiritual world so our relationship with the "angel" is much more important... We have to as the Spirit of The Source and so, we have to see everybody everywhere like a brother... even Satan ! Don't forget that Satan in the catholic way is a tempter (?) (from tentation) and he is pretty good worker ! But, at the end, he will report everybody who broke "God's" law and so, didn't respect his Nature... You see... :)

Start to think about the "ruler" on the past, because we will fired them. "You're fired !" sound good ;)

Am I understandable ? The story is huge and concern even our history, etc. The whole Mankind history... Apocalypse or Revelation is for me where we are going :)

[Xenos]

So if we accept our inner "God" and decide to be what we are supposed to be, so everything will stop.

We have to be ourself, unify body and Soul to be 1 and that way we will have a value in the entire Universe.

Their is no doubt :) Believe me :)

[Beren]

So if we accept our inner "God" and decide to be what we are supposed to be, so everything will stop.

We have to be ourself, unify body and Soul to be 1 and that way we will have a value in the entire Universe.

Their is no doubt :) Believe me :)


I think we understand eachother perfectly.

;)

You see, there is a war for souls and in the same time there isn`t.
It`s a dichotomy.

As you said all came from the one -Source- Creator. But as each soul has free will some chose Love and some chose Fear.
Those that chose Love grew in that area and those that chose Fear grew into that dimension.

In time those who chose Fear layered themselves with various masks and identifications of their fears...
But the inner soul remains pure, remains God`s.

Lake of fire in Revelations means that fire of truth will burn all illusions and lies and everything that isn`t supportive of life until the divine spark remains which can return to God.

Ones whom chose Love aren`t going through that road...
They go much faster to God.

But everything stated above is just a statement. You have to live your choice.
And if you chose Love you will always show it in its endless arrays.

Highest forms of Love are when you stop someone hurting yourself or somebody else, that way you help on both sides, one whom is hurting and the one who is a victim. In fact both are victims and if you are Love you will not be indifferent.

Also you will respect free will but you will also make a stand for Love for in Love`s best interest is to stop the force whom isn`t supportive to life in any example.

Is it better to stop the man who wants to slay a child or is it better to quietly watch and say that you love them?

What would be the higher form of expressing Love towards your fellow brother who is in the particular moment in want to take physical life of another?

The child is your brother but the killer is too!
But how to show Love to both and be the best for the outcome?

See my point?

Ultimately you can`t hurt anyone forever, for all are one.
You`d be trying to hurt yourself and after awhile you`d stop hurting yourself.

;)

There are many ways to BE LOVE ,you just have to be united with God in your life to see those ways of God...

[Anchor]

Beren,

A question, but first I need to set up a framework for it.

Let us imagine for a moment that we are THE creator. Within our minds come all manner of thoughts competing for attention - the infinite creation we create. We are infinitely intelligent and thus capable of maintaining infinite numbers of thoughts concurrently.

The thoughts that we are creating are en-souled, because they are ours and are special in this example because we are THE creator and it is necessary that these thoughts be allowed to act without interference.

They are individual and they are at war with each-others differences.

Each to the extent of its capacity will act to work out its thought until that thought becomes as the raindrop returning to the ocean, whereby it finally becomes at one with the true nature of its creator.

If this works for you as an analogy, then we have a framework in which I can ask a question.


Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.

What are these blessings from creator?

How does one inherit a blessing?

The reason I ask, is because, I think it is automatic.

We ARE blessed - some choose to deny it.

John..

[Beren]

What are these blessings from creator?

How does one inherit a blessing?

The reason I ask, is because, I think it is automatic.

We ARE blessed - some choose to deny it.

It is automatic but the thing is everyone get reminders or tools according to their awareness and measure.
That`s changing constantly until one realize of what you wrote about unity.

Greatest prize or inheritance is realization in full about our divinity and unity with God.

Fully awakened state.

When you are fully awakened you are feeling like God for indeed you are of God ,hence God itself.
Then you remember that awesome feeling of the power that you are and of power of creation at will and without limits.
Then you experience of what God is-fully.

Here and now we get fragments of reminders or help ,just in order to "get" back to our senses and when we "get" back to our senses we`re back home!
Then God wouldn`t need to tell us anything for we are part of it ,joined ,united,one and everything that God think and does - we automatically do aswell.

That`s what`s Christ aim was and is. To reunite us back to our home.

Also remember that sentence that nothing will be hidden from God`s children???

There you go.

;)

God is using myriad of ways to aid each and every soul that exist to return to it. No one should think that God uses exclusively one way...
When you`re all powerful - everything works for you. Everything is a tool in your hand and all energy bends according your will.
And beyond all when you are Love as God is you are ALL...

Hence that sentence aswell that even if Christ wouldn`t talk -the stones would... Such is the unlimited power of Creator...and of us as its children and its part and its essence.


P.S.

John bless you brother, keep on shining!

[Xenos]

I think we understand eachother perfectly.

;)

You see, there is a war for souls and in the same time there isn`t.
It`s a dichotomy.

As you said all came from the one -Source- Creator. But as each soul has free will some chose Love and some chose Fear.
Those that chose Love grew in that area and those that chose Fear grew into that dimension.

In time those who chose Fear layered themselves with various masks and identifications of their fears...
But the inner soul remains pure, remains God`s.

Lake of fire in Revelations means that fire of truth will burn all illusions and lies and everything that isn`t supportive of life until the divine spark remains which can return to God.

Ones whom chose Love aren`t going through that road...
They go much faster to God.

But everything stated above is just a statement. You have to live your choice.
And if you chose Love you will always show it in its endless arrays.

Highest forms of Love are when you stop someone hurting yourself or somebody else, that way you help on both sides, one whom is hurting and the one who is a victim. In fact both are victims and if you are Love you will not be indifferent.

Also you will respect free will but you will also make a stand for Love for in Love`s best interest is to stop the force whom isn`t supportive to life in any example.

Is it better to stop the man who wants to slay a child or is it better to quietly watch and say that you love them?

What would be the higher form of expressing Love towards your fellow brother who is in the particular moment in want to take physical life of another?

The child is your brother but the killer is too!
But how to show Love to both and be the best for the outcome?

See my point?

Ultimately you can`t hurt anyone forever, for all are one.
You`d be trying to hurt yourself and after awhile you`d stop hurting yourself.

;)

There are many ways to BE LOVE ,you just have to be united with God in your life to see those ways of God...



Well Beren, i'm agree but we can discuss on points :)

As i saw the Source, they doesn't choose, they are created that way. A Universe is born from the Body of the Source and ascend in the Spirit. The Body is pure energy and everything inside the drop is revelated in the Spirit, it open like a flower. So we have very pure expression and the flood inside the Universe concentrate in the center of the Universe, the matter and inside the matter people born. So they don't choose. Like you didn't choose to be human, you just are and you can be better because you are son of the Source, like them. But the point is, if a being born in the fear, the darkness wants to be better too, he wants to be a Son, like you. Normal isn't it ?

The Source is pure and everything that it is created is pure too, impurity is a human concept... not in the Reality. Believe me that when those people, the beings living fear because born inside, when they change and light slowly invade their body, and their body and their physical figure change literally... don't you think this is pure ? Amazing ? So splendid than words doesn't exist. We are a circle from them to us in a very special and pure way. Splendid !

I see your point about Love and i agree, but as i see and live thing... But the killer is psycho ? Because he is maybe a victim of the time, of the barbaric society as almost all psycho killer are. Seeing his pain and his mental path, you see, help to understand, and to Love him. Because free Love... I don't believe anymore, because many people loose their conscience and so, they speak about Love love love, but split n the word, the feeling, the Reality of the meaning. They speak about something that they don't understand. Love has been prostitute by beliefs, and huglyness (?). I see the destruction of Love inside the heart of people, because now Love = sex... you see. Saying Beren I love you with a modern mental and I will treated as a gay. You see ? So, Love... ok... but what is Love.

They are many way to be Love and to Love too and this is splendid, but very sad to see people with "spirituality" concentrate on one sort of Love, wich is not Love but a twisted way to Love, to manipulate... everybody wants to be loved, so it is a very very easy way to manipulate people.

:llama:

[Beren]

Xenos,

You hit the main point here and sorry for je ne sais pas parle francais...
or we could understand beautifully!

;)

Love is a very broad thing and as we grow in life we realize of what we speak about. God is Love . But God is all existence seen and unseen.
So Love is a broad term.

So we have to broaden our vision and understanding in order to be and to Love.

Otherwise we are stuck.

I see in my self the development over time and the "me" when I started this thread is not the same "me" now. God led me further because I chose that.
Some call it faith,some call it let go and let God , some call it development - I call it a choice.
I chose love and head wherever it may take me, to grasp and to BE.

;)

[Xenos]

I don't speak russian either :)

I understand you, but my choice is to Love with all my heart every creation in the Whole Universe, because "God" is 1, purely and perfectly 1... from the darkest side to the brightest that make you cry of beauty and make you burn so sweetly inside. But Love is part of the Source, he is a being, the third born. And the first and the second are Knowledge and Wisdom.

So i Love to Love with Knowledge and Wisdom, because i know why i love and i don't Love because "God" is Love... I Love because i know.

Love for free... no thx... to much pain... Jesus said "truth shall you free" (or something like that) but the truth has to be discover from my point of view with Knowledge and Wisdom.

[Beren]

I don't speak russian either :)

I understand you, but my choice is to Love with all my heart every creation in the Whole Universe, because "God" is 1, purely and perfectly 1... from the darkest side to the brightest that make you cry of beauty and make you burn so sweetly inside. But Love is part of the Source, he is a being, the third born. And the first and the second are Knowledge and Wisdom.

So i Love to Love with Knowledge and Wisdom, because i know why i love and i don't Love because "God" is Love... I Love because i know.

Love for free... no thx... to much pain... Jesus said "truth shall you free" (or something like that) but the truth has to be discover from my point of view with Knowledge and Wisdom.


I don't speak Russian aswell :biggrin1:

Love
Justice
Wisdom
Power

Four corner stones of God ...

[Xenos]

So I don't speak serbian... lol but I thought from the flag ! RS is Russia isn't it ? Most of the eastern people that i met speak russian... anyway :)

We understand each other Beren :)

[Beren]

So I don't speak serbian... lol but I thought from the flag ! RS is Russia isn't it ? Most of the eastern people that i met speak russian... anyway :)

We understand each other Beren :)


RS stands for Republic of Serbia and yes some people know Russian though not many...
Flags are similar...

Anyways any Slavic country has the same origin... so we`re all brothers and sisters by nationality ... and for the rest of the world we are brothers and sisters anyway...

We truly understand each other Xenos ;)
I used to speak French but after 15 years of absence I lost it...

[Xenos]

So I don't speak serbian... lol but I thought from the flag ! RS is Russia isn't it ? Most of the eastern people that i met speak russian... anyway :)

We understand each other Beren :)


RS stands for Republic of Serbia and yes some people know Russian though not many...
Flags are similar...

Anyways any Slavic country has the same origin... so we`re all brothers and sisters by nationality ... and for the rest of the world we are brothers and sisters anyway...

We truly understand each other Xenos ;)
I used to speak French but after 15 years of absence I lost it...

Ah... ok :) The flag are really similar !

Come on french is a lovely language lol ! It will come back, like bicycle lol !

I can't agree more about your words, but i feel little pain in my heart for the total injustice that the serbian people are living because of the black american order and their world international drug trafic (Kosovo and the organ traffic are a scandal !)... so sad and sad to see France turning back to our historic friendship... hope that it will come back... your Nation and our national cooperation.

Are you Christian ? Orthodox ? If not what christian sect ?

[Beren]

Thank you friend for kind words.
I can tell you this ever since from my youth my now deceased father has been telling me stories about French and Serbian friendship through history and my heart would always jump on it.

There is a monument in main park in Belgrade - Serbian capital which is dedicated to France with words ~ We love France as much France loved us~

Regarding Kosovo and rest... man don`t get me started for it`s a long bloody story ... Not many people knows but under Kosovo lies enormous amount of coal that is now stolen from Serbia in war by west in 1999 ..it is worth in billions...

Then you have organ trafficking where Bernard Kushner was involved and also the biggest drug outpost in Europe is in Kosovo...
Kosovo was taken by force from Serbia and it would be the same if France was bombarded because of Corsica and their wish of independence or say that Northern Ireland want to go and UK doesn`t want to let them so NATO bombs UK for that...

But hey , that`s another topic and I don`t want to deal with it, I just want to say that everything that is sown - WILL bear fruits ... Some in good way some in bad way ...

And one things is clear to me , I don`t feel as Serbian because I feel as human first then possibly Serbian second. I know that every man and woman on the planet is my brother and sister and that being born over here is just like that - being born over here...

The more I traveled the world the more I saw how we are one and that we are waking up from illusion.

I was born in Serbian Orthodox church but later on decided to abandon religion and to be close to God.

;)

[Xenos]

Apparently it is an other topic... but in deep it is "spiritual encounter and war of soul" what happen everywhere on Earth, even between human... not every human are real human... and everybody is a strategic goal.

I take the risk to make people jump, but Serbia will stop to suffer in a New World Order... a new way of seeing the world, to bring back justice.

I'm sorry, i didn't want to awake bad memory about Kosovo, the war in the 90's, that you probably lived... so sorry.

[percival tyro]

Keep raising our spirits Beren Until we achieve that good vibration,

[Beren]

Apparently it is an other topic... but in deep it is "spiritual encounter and war of soul" what happen everywhere on Earth, even between human... not every human are real human... and everybody is a strategic goal.

I take the risk to make people jump, but Serbia will stop to suffer in a New World Order... a new way of seeing the world, to bring back justice.

I'm sorry, i didn't want to awake bad memory about Kosovo, the war in the 90's, that you probably lived... so sorry.

No worries. I don`t live on Kosovo but because of it whole Serbia was bombed in 1999 and in case that many don`t know depleted uranium was in the bombs and a lot of people got cancer in Serbia. As a matter of fact recently in south Serbia where bombs were among the hardest ,our scientists had cleaned the place from radiation completely with certain mineral which was recently found in Serbia and was named Cryptonite or Jadarite...
It was a big case in news few years ago for that mineral neutralize radiation completely and is abundant here. Few newspapers made jokes about Superman`s cryptonite and its relation to one that was found in Serbia but molecule by molecule it IS the same one as written in Superman`s novels... Like guy who made that comic had secret knowledge about certain minerals not yet found on earth.

Its official name is Jadarite for its found on that location of area Jadar in Serbia but is also abundant elsewhere here.
But what was fantastic that when they published its molecular structure- it was THE SAME as Cryptonite from Superman .

Truth is stranger than fiction...

So my friend we here lived through things that are hardly explainable to average westerner simply because average Joe wouldn`t believe that this was actually happening in Europe ...

Anyways that is past and I don`t want to linger in it, I can not forget it and will not but I am creating present according to my will. My will is to be one with God. To help my brothers and sisters to awake and then... then whatever they `d do - let them do...

:)

[Xenos]

Wonderful Berden :) Those stone can be seen as a gift because it's help your people and it is great.

Superman creator was maybe visionary... or hidden message ?

"God" is so wonderful and the world so dynamic that is hard, you right, to make it understand... we have to live it to understand. Truth is greater than fiction ;)

[Vit Sirius]

Hello guys,
If anyone interested, have a look at my reply to Bill Ryan, where I talk about importance of dark side (entities, lizards, etc.) and Love on the other side. People truly got lost in their illusory projections of dark forces. It is up to you what you make out of it. Many thanks. Vit
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[Beren]

Thank you Vit

any thought helps to move forward even contradictory ones .
But is always better to move forward smoothly , it`s good for the soul feeling ...

:)


You said it well here in video : see where your limits are and try to move them...

[tgops]

Nice thread...:)

[nf857]

Here here beren,

I totally agree, yes its is a war, on the spritual level & physical level and every other level we can think of and know about, & not know about. Be true to oneself, be honest with oneself, that is the only truth for yourself x

[nf857]

Hi Sirius,

Are you single? Lol, just kidding, i completly agree, all this is talk is just one reality or one version of events. There is what we thought was true, from what we taught to beleif in school, church,college and there is the conspirary cult version of events. Whilst i beleive whole heartly a lot of this info may well be true, what does it really matter in the big scheme of things? Be careful, use discernement, be true to yourself, live you own life, enjoy life, as this is what it was given for. If ,two alien races are battling for control of planet earth, leave them to it, there is nothing any individual can do about it. I happen to appreciate my life in what ever form it was given to me, & im grateful, very grateful. x

[Beren]

Here here beren,

I totally agree, yes its is a war, on the spritual level & physical level and every other level we can think of and know about, & not know about. Be true to oneself, be honest with oneself, that is the only truth for yourself x
Agree.

This IS a war upon all levels no matter if we realize it or not but key thing is to see where we will stand ,or how we will deal with it.
With sword or with wisdom for not all battles are won on battle field...

In essence this is not a fight or war but it appears so.
Raising above low level of grasping at things will make us realize how to deal with situation.

[nf857]

Hi Beren,

Yes i beleive the worst wars are the psychological wars, i know thats just a pseudo-science, however these sciences explain what practical sciences can't, yes raising your vibrational frequencies, or 'rising above it' was the common word used for this, is whats needed. Not to be dragged down with racial wars, identity wars, class wars, social wars, intelligence wars etc etc. x

[Beren]

Hi Beren,

Yes i beleive the worst wars are the psychological wars, i know thats just a pseudo-science, however these sciences explain what practical sciences can't, yes raising your vibrational frequencies, or 'rising above it' was the common word used for this, is whats needed. Not to be dragged down with racial wars, identity wars, class wars, social wars, intelligence wars etc etc. x

Exactly!

You know when you think clearly and without bias about what actually Christ represented to us humans now and then is really making the point of elevation.
Elevation as in case when you have a man who is bowed down in life and suddenly he`s encouraged by light that he saw and lived through to straight up and be.

How Christ helped us straight up?

He showed us how to use reason and common sense in all things, how to simplify life and strive for the essence (which is Love in all forms) , how to quit all mantras or rituals than we may had, that we cut the chase and knock directly to the haven`s door. To ask God directly about all that we may ask it.

SO from a human who was bowed down in rituals imagining that those practices will elevate him , or in silly murmurings of magic or whatever man was doing ,be in so called science or force,Christ elevated us to be a human who can be fully God and fully human.
It means a direct relationship with Source of all life, ability to transcend physical troubles (hunger,illness...) ability to really Be and to be happy about it.

It`s all about Love.

And have you noticed how as soon as he left the stage some appeared and gathered steam in returning people back down.

"yes Christ said that and this but also he said that YOU NEED TO listen to us who will tell you what to do for we are mediators appointed by God himself.."

Another words: "Bow down -human".

So effectively from their own stand point it`s a war for souls.
But from God`s standpoint it`s not.

If we choose Love it`s not but if we choose fear then it is.

[greybeard]

Hi Beren
Yes---- who needs a middle man between us and God?
Its really simple--- Love God and your fellow man as you love yourself.
What you do for yourself, you do for others and what you do for them you do for yourself.
There is only One without a second.
Chris

[Zampano]

Greybeard and Beren and all the contributors here
You made my day, my week, maybe months. Thank you

I just wanted to open a thread about the very own power each of us possesss and to not give your power away.
There are middle mans and you get offered "good deals" from some other entities, but the true essence of your life is you.
Expressed in many forms and varieties. Christ reminds us to be.


Christ elevated us to be a human who can be fully God and fully human

Actually, I cant find words for what I want to say right now.

[Beren]

Greybeard and Beren and all the contributors here
You made my day, my week, maybe months. Thank you

I just wanted to open a thread about the very own power each of us possess and to not give your power away.
There are middle mans and you get offered "good deals" from some other entities, but the true essence of your life is you.
Expressed in many forms and varieties. Christ reminds us to be.


Christ elevated us to be a human who can be fully God and fully humanActually, I cant find words for what I want to say right now.


I am happy that we made your day , now you owe Chris a ginger beer :eyebrows:

When you see the trend today ,you see that there is a line that connects many, that is the message of : "leave your power to us,we know better than you"

Be it Satanism in all forms, new age, politics,all religions, nations,life on Earth itself all seem to unite to take our power from us and when it comes to Christ it is reverse. Returning power to the people.

The statement that we are God`s children thus equal to God though not there yet in consciousness is very unique to Christ.
He wasn`t the only one who said that.

If you want to be precise you can often find that teachings tell you You are one with Source or all is one ,but... you have to do this or do that in order to achieve something or to be something.

With Christ it is simple but the most hardest thing if you`re not seeing with your eyes of soul.
That is direct ,without mediators ,contact and relationship with God-Source of life and all wisdom and power.

When anyone establish that he/she is under direct protection of God whom is our higher self as every parent is grown up version of their kids.
Kids are genetically their parent`s but have the potential to grow further but will still be DNA connected with their creators on earth.
When anyone make that connection, a direct connection with God, one does not need 99.9% of the stuff that is offered and loaded upon the humanity today and always.

For example you have a cell phone in your hand and you want to call your dad who lives 100 miles away from you.
Instead to dial the number of your dad, you go out,take heavy clothes, wear army boots on the 35 Celsius (90 and something Fahrenheit for US guys and gals :) ) outside, and take a walk to your dad to ask him whatever you wanted.
While you walk toward the location of your dad ,someone tell you to make a call but you don`t do that despite having the phone in your pocket.
You walk further ...

When will you arrive?
How much does it take you to walk 100 miles under that gear you wear?

Eventually you will reach the destination but at what cost?
Will you have blisters,wounds,be exhausted,derailed mad or just feeling lost for you just walked without pause for 100 miles?


So cut the chase and make a call here and now.
God does not have the problem thus why would any of us have a problem?

;)

[Zampano]

Ginger beer for Chris and Malt beer for you...


Yesterday I had a pretty overwhelming event happening in a healing session.
I felt an entity in the room coming to me and holding my hand during the session and I immediately knew whitout a doubt,
that this was Jesus Christ. He made me experience the so called "Christ Consciousness".
Love and compassion for everybody and everything, since I am a part of everybody and everything and everybody and everything is me.
What I do to others I do to myself. Simple as that.

I read in books or heard other people talking about the Oneness of everything and that everything is connected and yesterday I had the honor to experience and feel it.
As you said Beren, it is the simplest and easiest way to God-Source of Life. And the purest. Nobody is in your way.
It is your birthright to be able to make the "contact" by yourself. No middle men/women envolved.


When anyone make that connection, a direct connection with God, one does not need 99.9% of the stuff that is offered and loaded upon the humanity today and always.

True, true, true and true. I mean very true!!

SO, returning power to the people. Empower yourself.
Be and experience.

[nf857]

Chris, you touched the point here.
All I am trying to say is that we`re dealing with things totally unaware of their state of being. We know the info about them (but even that just partially) ,but we can`t really say what are they...


And we`re in the process of learning... Everything is being thrown upon us ,most of the times we can`t cope with all- and that`s the thing they wish ... When you are overwhelmed ,you succumb.

Wars and fights and swords ...those things are just figures of speech to explain emotional and mental daily struggles of all.
A day will dawn when we will overcome,all that "their names are found in book of life"-(another figure of speech...).

I know who they are, i see them all the time, i know how they operate, be warned!!! For the truely awakened/enlightened listen to your own advice, you are a fully consious being with a free mind of its own, listen your heart/mind, connect the two, when you listen with both you hear the truth x

[Lifebringer]

Don't feel alone on that. Because of the deceitful way the rulers of the material world have done things, we all feel stupid or left behind on somethings. However, the stuff that was kept from us, hidden knowledge of OUR God and OUR origin for manipulative purposes, will be revealed. It's funny how someone centuries ago, made the chapter of Revelation for the revealing of the hidden societies, oppressing the people of the world. Amazing that OUR God left us enough breadcrumbs to know the time is now for the truth. This world and it's human souls cannot continue to go on and on in oppressive suffering. That is not what God intended for us. We must pick up our cross to bear on the varmints voted in office, MISLEADING the people for profit and putting them in poverty in their end of life ages. Either through the withholding of proper medications for price, of having them have to select, high salted, fatty products that any sane person who cares about their health would never entertain buying.
The health of the country held hostage for price, instead of as a service to fellow humans to sustain life.

Oh ye money changers, the gig, is UP!!

[Beren]

Don't feel alone on that. Because of the deceitful way the rulers of the material world have done things, we all feel stupid or left behind on somethings. However, the stuff that was kept from us, hidden knowledge of OUR God and OUR origin for manipulative purposes, will be revealed. It's funny how someone centuries ago, made the chapter of Revelation for the revealing of the hidden societies, oppressing the people of the world. Amazing that OUR God left us enough breadcrumbs to know the time is now for the truth. This world and it's human souls cannot continue to go on and on in oppressive suffering. That is not what God intended for us. We must pick up our cross to bear on the varmints voted in office, MISLEADING the people for profit and putting them in poverty in their end of life ages. Either through the withholding of proper medications for price, of having them have to select, high salted, fatty products that any sane person who cares about their health would never entertain buying.
The health of the country held hostage for price, instead of as a service to fellow humans to sustain life.

Oh ye money changers, the gig, is UP!!


All they want to do is take your energy via fooling you that you give it freely.
War for souls is fought for they sense that their energy support from non conscious human will soon end.
Awakening and accepting God inside and Christ in ultimate reality is the end for leeches for their own good.

And no this has nothing to do with becoming a member of any religious church or sect or group. It might help to be associated with one but eventually you `ll have to choose God and Christ or church or religion.

[Kelly]

I too feel it is a war for souls xxxxx

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They use your free will against you, and here you are all the time, thinking that by choosing you are using your free will!

[JayAqua]

I love hearing these things they re so true, thank you Beren.

[tonyp]

Hi this is my first post so please forgive me, like all of us we are all on our own personal journey and I personally do not subscribe to the existence of any dark forces, in my opinion those who are fortunate to experience things of any kind are fortunate whether they are perceived by any individual as good are bad are an enlightenment in themselves . suppose one could call them lessons on our individual paths., After all in the whole context of things , us ie humans are just still babies being taught how to live by our parents..Maybe I am naive but that is my concept. Dont forget to smile when reading this post :)

[realm.slipper]

re: "Spirits are controlling majority of people without same people being aware of it"
Beren, Thank you for sharing this post. As a spirit sensitive & energy sensitive this sometimes blows my mind that soo many are not aware of it. But I forget most folks don't see the grander scale of things that I do. lol
freely choosing knowledge filled with love :amen:

[Beren]

re: "Spirits are controlling majority of people without same people being aware of it"
Beren, Thank you for sharing this post. As a spirit sensitive & energy sensitive this sometimes blows my mind that soo many are not aware of it. But I forget most folks don't see the grander scale of things that I do. lol
freely choosing knowledge filled with love :amen:

You said it well "grander scale view ".

That`s what`s making one see what`s going on really. When I started this thread I had a vision of whatever was written here and now I got confirmed that it is the case as it is written in the thread. Though now when I elevated my self onto even higher point of view I saw that this war we fight -for souls is brother against brother war.

Some souls took on their masks and turned into various types of entities who fight against everyone who has other opinion.
Then it comes energy wars since when souls are engulfed in fear ,they lose God`s inner spark energy (which everyone has) and they begin stealing it from others - and here we make war.

Reality is that when we give up our illusions war will stop right away.

[realm.slipper]

RE:
"You said it well "grander scale view ".
When I started this thread I had a vision of whatever was written here
Some souls took on their masks and turned into various types of entities who fight against everyone who has other opinion.
Then it comes energy wars since when souls are engulfed in fear ,they lose God`s inner spark energy (which everyone has) and they begin stealing it from others - and here we make war.

Reality is that when we give up our illusions war will stop right away."


Beren, thank you for your reply!
By "written here" did you mean overall, or just in my post in particular?
I have been in this battle all my life, many spirits have tried to take me and failed. I'm so tired of the fight and the physical vibrations/tingles on my lower left leg caused by spirits & energies.
How does one recognize their own "illusions" and "give them up" ?
thanks!

[Beren]

RE:
Beren, thank you for your reply
By "written here" did you mean overall, or just in my post in particular?
I have been in this battle all my life, many spirits have tried to take me and failed. I'm so tired of the fight and the physical vibrations/tingles on my lower left leg caused by spirits & energies.
How does one recognize their own "illusions" and "give them up" ?
thanks!

I meant overall and it seems like your post is fitting the momentum here.
The fight is very hard working toil upon you I am sure.
Had this in my life and in some deep past.

What changed the game for me and in my aid is that I step out of the illusion ,so I can be free of it.
It does not mean that they will step out of illusion .

They will probably choose to fight on for your energy.
Only way out for you is aligning with higher power in the ladder.

I united my self with Christ and Creator. Spirits that still wanna fight are now gone since they can't stand that new frequency for them.
I don't judge them as I used to do.
I understand them better now.

But also I don't play the game on their level so they can't reach me anymore.
I noticed when I lower my defenses with slipping into lower frequency they are readily awaiting me to engage again.
I get some bruise here and there until I return higher again in the meantime learning some valuable lessons.

Thing is they are trapped into their projections of evil ,fear, judgment,all kind of monstrous creatures and such...
Deep down they are still God's kids in their divine spark. But over that spark they pulled tons of layers of their various projections and only high spirits of God or God itself can reach within them ,none else can.

Love is the power but as so few understand Love is also the fire that burns and makes one alive... It burns lie and makes you alive when lie is gone.
They are afraid of love for they have inner knowledge that it will burn their lies in layers, and they are privy to their layers...

Spiritual swords can aid but ultimate weapon is Love.

Remember Gandalf words on the bridge of Khazad Dum?
That Balrog was once mighty spirit of fire and great Maya which turned into a monster.
Gandalf knew that, hence his words to him - no curses,swearing or insults.


"Do as I say- swords are of no use here!"

Symbolically and in reality it's the same.
Love is the only power.

[Zor B]

.We must raise our frequency to get past the fear being broadcast by Anu ........this transmission rules the astral plane and helps keep us slaves to the illusion being weaved by him and his followers........such as the bildenberg group soul whom he rules through ........ our .freedom or his slavery.....Wing Maker or the Animus.........we must decide what we want to be......and then make it. so.....we are aspects of First Source imbued with IT's capabilities.... loving and powerful it wants full and complete disclosure of other forms of Life being disclosed to all of us here on Earth now called Gaia....by these other forms in other dimensions overlapping ours whose future now is brighter via this coming communication.....intergalactic trade stimulates all economies .

[Beren]

Remembering this thread and the reasons for starting it made me think did something change in the world and lives now?
It`s indeed a war, on many levels.

But upper hand is in one`s will to transform this war reality into divine reality.
To raise above.

There are many ways for this but the only one which always work is the one that is always deeply personal way.
An honest way, attuning to oneself and finally recognizing God`s spark inside- soul.
There answer lies for how to raise up conquering the fear and its tools.

One of mine was attuning to the ever high frequencies where I would pick up encouragements and pour them in the shape of poetry.
Actually those are codes for awakening and remembering of my self and others who are on the same bandwidth frequency .

I made a book of poems and art with help of kindred souls and together our spirits attuned into highest frequency of Love.
I wrote my memories from another time and age long forgotten hence the name of the book From forgotten world into eternity.
With God`s help I finally published it and felt like "time is now".

Friends and dear souls all over , find that light that shines inside of you. Rekindle it until it become a fire , an energy of life that has been awaken.
Great deeds will emerge from it!

Last year I went for some time out of the forum and said farewell until some other time.
Now I see that it was for a good reason for I found my path clearer.
I found my voice and light and gift from God.

I made it into a book.
Other made it into books too or workshops or helping individuals or being there for others, or freely sharing gift of insight or whatever someone does.

May we raise ,war is there to be won and we are winning it for ourselves, our children and all.
For Love ,Justice,Wisdom and Power.

Our weapons aren`t of this world and its ways.
Raise and shine!

Simple as that.

[Beren]

Has anyone had recently any kind of spiritual encounter and actually remembered something about themselves?

[Eram]

Has anyone had recently any kind of spiritual encounter and actually remembered something about themselves?

I'm not sure what you would define as such, but:

4 days ago (at night) I was dreaming like I do many nights and suddenly the dream was interrupted with another very vivid dream.
There was a voice, explaining me about a person here on Project Avalon, who had made a post wherein he/she wrote about two opposing sides as being one, which was weird.
The voice appeared to be coming from God, but before the dream continued, I became aware of a sensation in my ear.
I became afraid of the sensation in my ear and tried very hard to wake myself from the dream, which in the end succeeded.
The sensation in my ear did not end though. It was like a little whirlwind of very intense energy which tried to penetrate my left ear and it hurt.
After about ten seconds, the energy vortex slowly disappeared and left my head spinning and aching.

Next morning, my left ear felt like the aftermath of an ear infection.
Later on I read on the PA forum and the very first thread I opened was a thread where the person I dreamed about (to me that person was just one of many here with no special feeling toward) had posted that night a post with exactly that what I dreamed about. The post was made 1,5 hours later then when I dreamed about it.

I don't know what to make of this.
No idea if the encounter was positive and I tried to resist it out of fear, or that it was a negative encounter.
I'm sorry I woke myself up, because I'll never know what the rest of the dream would have revealed.

[ulli]

This was my spiritual encounter.
It began in 1983, at least for me.
It had actually been around since 1844.

http://www.bahai.com/Bahaullah/hiddenwords.htm

For your perusal....here are the first 8 verses:


This is that which hath descended from the realm of glory, uttered by the tongue of power and might, and revealed unto the Prophets of old. We have taken the inner essence thereof and clothed it in the garment of brevity, as a token of grace unto the righteous, that they may stand faithful unto the Covenant of God, may fulfil in their lives His trust, and in the realm of spirit obtain the gem of Divine virtue.

1. O SON OF SPIRIT!
My first counsel is this: Possess a pure, kindly and radiant heart, that thine may be a sovereignty ancient, imperishable and everlasting.

2. O SON OF SPIRIT!
The best beloved of all things in My sight is Justice; turn not away therefrom if thou desirest Me, and neglect it not that I may confide in thee. By its aid thou shalt see with thine own eyes and not through the eyes of others, and shalt know of thine own knowledge and not through the knowledge of thy neighbour. Ponder this in thy heart how it behoveth thee to be. Verily justice is My gift to thee and the sign of My loving kindness. Set it then before thine eyes.

3. O SON OF MAN!
Veiled in My immemorial being and in the ancient eternity of My essence, I knew My love for thee: therefore I created thee, have engraved on thee Mine image and revealed to thee My beauty.

4. O SON OF MAN!
I loved thy creation, hence I created thee. Wherefore, do thou love Me, that I may name thy name and fill thy soul with the spirit of life.

5. O SON OF BEING!
Love Me, that I may love thee. If thou lovest Me not, My love can in no wise reach thee. Know this, O servant.

6. O SON OF BEING!
Thy Paradise is My love; thy heavenly home, reunion with Me. Enter therein and tarry not. This is that which hath been destined for thee in Our kingdom above and Our exalted dominion.

7. O SON OF MAN!
If thou lovest Me, turn away from thyself; and if thou seekest My pleasure, regard not thine own; that thou mayest die in Me and I may eternally live in thee.

8. O SON OF SPIRIT!
There is no peace for thee save by renouncing thyself and turning unto Me; for it behoveth thee to glory in My name, not in thine own; to put thy trust in Me and not in thyself, since I desire to be loved alone and above all that is.

[Beren]

Has anyone had recently any kind of spiritual encounter and actually remembered something about themselves?

I'm not sure what you would define a such, but:

4 days ago (at night) I was dreaming like I do many nights and suddenly the dream was interrupted with another very vivid dream.
There was a voice, explaining me about a person here on Project Avalon, who had made a post wherein he/she wrote about two opposing sides as being one, which was weird.
The voice appeared to be coming from God, but before the dream continued, I became aware of a sensation in my ear.
I became afraid of the sensation in my ear and tried very hard to wake myself from the dream, which in the end succeeded.
The sensation in my ear did not end though. It was like a little whirlwind of very intense energy which tried to penetrate my left ear and it hurt.
After about ten seconds, the energy vortex slowly disappeared and left my head spinning and aching.

Next morning, my left ear felt like the aftermath of an ear infection.
Later on I read on the PA forum and the very first thread I opened was a thread where the person I dreamed about (to me that person was just one of many here with no special feeling toward) had posted that night a post with exactly that what I dreamed about. The post was made 1,5 hours later then when I dreamed about it.

I don't know what to make of this.
No idea if the encounter was positive and I tried to resist it out of fear, or that it was a negative encounter.
I'm sorry I woke myself up, because I'll never know what the rest of the dream would have revealed.


Thanks for this.
It seems like things are starting to develop in a way that is above standard way - the one of which we are used to.
Connections are being created where we didn`t hope .

Seek deeper info about this experience and see what is your connection with it.

High ways of soul are unseen to mortals. But accessing them is our ultimate desire and reconnection in soul so we recognize that we are not mere mortals.

[Michelle Marie]

You reminded me of this poem I wrote a few years ago...

:angel:Rise and Shine:angel:
The darkness came, the darkness went
Our soul climbed stairs on its ascent
Illumination of our Divine spark
Spread through eternity to dispel the dark

The empty spaces, full of potential
Came alive with love essential
Breaking free of illusory jail
With an open heart Spirit sets sail

Rise and shine illumined one!
Your heart is blessed with its own sun
Rise and shine; know your power
This will be your finest hour

Refreshed, renewed, feel your vitality
Freedom flows in intelligent reality
Your power of attention knows expansion
Truth shines openly our Universal mansion

Open windows of your mind
Let go of conceptions that make you blind
Open heart doors to perceive
Get still and quiet then receive

Divine intelligence flowing as light
Opens new eye to conscious sight
Intuition is too strong to ignore
Direct knowing of Truth comes from your core

Rise and shine illumined one!
Lift up others with your sun
Love is causing unity vibration
Sharing prosperity with every nation

The micro cosmos deep within you
Creates a torus flow and mirror view
Connecting to macro cosmos seen
Attracting vibrations through Golden Mean

Wisdom of Being causes dream to come true
We are now seeing our world anew
Visions united in field of love
Reflecting its glow below as above

Rise and shine your best from within
Open to receive and let love in
Rise and shine, you’re free today
Bask in the bliss of united ray

Blessed be, God’s grace is here
Love your Self, my angel dear
You are truly light, you see
Shining love eternally

Michelle Marie Angel

[Michelle Marie]

The higher view is vitally important in my life. The deeper I go in meditation, the higher view I get. Finally, the "peace that passeth all understanding" is present. All is well. (from the higher perspective) Yet, "down in the trenches" I feel passionate about discovering and revealing Truth. Integrating my inner and outer life, the developed intuition shows me what is real and true while uncanny and unlikely synchronistic experiences occur that confirm the truth with evidence.

The purpose of it all...our evolution. For me, freedom is found within first. I AM free. However, I see the war of souls happening. With all of the protection and energy mastery that I can muster, I will reveal the truth to others while assisting in raising consciousness for those who are receptive...ready and willing to grow and evolve...ready to become empowered and free. It takes a higher level of consciousness, to see the Truth, to respond to Truth distortions and deceptions, and to have the wisdom, love, strength, and courage to help others find the Absolute Truth. Victim, blame, and judgment days are over. We know the Truth, set boundaries, speak the Truth and overcome oppression and deception. It's all energy without personalization.

Recently, I have felt the Holy Spirit work through me. It feels powerful. I feel passionate. It is palpable. It is NOT me. But I'm in complete union with it. I consciously attune to the Divine every day. There is a situation where I'm being used to help raise consciousness and expand the Light of the Christ. This was directly revealed to me: an applicable process of directing the energy of unconditional love. "Love thy enemies" helps to overcome any oppression. By rising above the situation with love/compassion/goodwill/appreciation for the Purpose (a higher vibration) it inspires the God spark within each one.

This is not easy, because part of me does have that anger of seeing people oppressed and bullied by bureaucracy. That's my "down in the trenches" viewpoint. The greed and power energy has affected lives in a current situation that I'm viewing from the higher level, and I'm part of it on the physical earth plane. I'm in the midst of it or I would say more. I'll document all of it and say more later.

Yes, I'm having new spiritual experiences. Yes, we came here with a mission to save souls (referring to Bill Ryan's past life memory/info). When there is receptivity, there is hope. Those who will not hear or see may be awakened with harsher tones of experiences. I pray for many and work at the causal level. It is much more powerful than "combing the mirror" as David Icke calls it. However, I'm devoted to do God's will at every level.

One specific example: I was in a large room with close to 2,000 people. I felt the energy of Mother Mary. I felt love for all and a connection to all hearts. I heard these words repeated in my mind: "Christ arise!"

In the days and weeks that followed, there was a unification of people, a protest, a strike, and an uprising of the people in the community. I am still amazed.

Truth and attunement with it is a silent power. I have not told many people of this experience, and nobody involved in the community dilemma.

Watch for the activity of the Light. If you have raised your vibration, you may notice things being stirred up without even doing anything. One time, I was silently sending love energy to one who was persecuting me. (They don't like it if you see the manipulation and call them on it. Whoops! LOL) While using the energy mastery skill of "love your enemies" there was a reaction and when I was enticed to participate in drama, I exited, then let the Light do its work.

I've learned this through direct revelation: Don't engage on the physical level with master manipulators unless your "in the moment guidance" is sharp and strong and you feel inspired to do so.

My overall plan and recommendation, just keep loving.

Namaste,
Michelle Marie

[bogeyman]

The world has many and deep seated problems which are not just physical in nature, there is a spiritual aspect to all of this, and the main cause of why the world is like it is. These negative spiritual entities may eminate their influence by altering the thoughts of those in power, who by nature maybe inclined to except such thoughts. The bible puts it eloquently: "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12

[Michelle Marie]

The world has many and deep seated problems which are not just physical in nature, there is a spiritual aspect to all of this, and the main cause of why the world is like it is. These negative spiritual entities may eminate their influence by altering the thoughts of those in power, who by nature maybe inclined to except such thoughts. The bible puts it eloquently: "For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." Ephesians 6:12

Our mastery that we are stepping into involves conscious "attunement" to vibration. While we have inner and outer influences, we are navigating through a rapidly changing perceptual experience. The rate of change, inner and outer, is honing our ability to manage energy. I've been studying consciousness and working on practical and reliable application results for a long time, and I'm still getting a "run for the money."

It just hit me how that phrase factors into everything...Hmmmm.

I see that although compassion is good, without discrimination and discernment, it can be used for manipulation and energy siphoning by conscious or unconscious energy vampires.

Facing core issues and false beliefs about myself has also been quite challenging. I'm a warrior, but currently my sensitivities are deepening and challenging. Is this Universal (I suspect it is.) How are you doing with perceptions? I'd like to hear other people's experiences.

Thank you all for your enlightening comments.
Love, Michelle Marie

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

Been having some strange dreams lately, don't know what to make of them because I can't remember anything clearly! But the reason they are strange is I am plagued by ‘after-images’ all day long. Several times per hour I'll have a random, momentary 'flashback' of intense imagery, and then it's gone, and I can't remember what it was!

The vibes I get from it are neither good, nor bad, just strange, but the flashbacks leave me feeling strange, frustrated, and a bit agitated. But they were dreams, or astral travel maybe, not an abduction experience I'm sure of it.

But the imagery is very familiar, very vivid. The flashbacks drift to the surface of consciousness for like half a second, then they’re gone again, leaving nothing behind to grasp onto.

Last night the only thing that stayed with me, which I remember clearly upon waking, was just a fragment. I was with a woman. I didn't see her, don't know who she was, but I was vaguely aware of her 'presence' off to my right side. I cannot recall what was happening, or where I was, but I remember the Voice. It simply said to both of us, "You did a good job". And that was it, that's all I can remember.

[GloriousPoetry]

How can we master the light if we haven't mastered the darkness? Perhaps a third duality is the alchemy of both?

[Anchor]

How can we master the light if we haven't mastered the darkness? Perhaps a third duality is the alchemy of both?

In my opinion, the third scenario seems like the one I would pick. If mastery of any of these things is needed at all, it needs to be of the entire drama both the light and the dark, and all polarities. All resolves to the infinite, in which we all are. Within us, it all is.

[lookbeyond]

Hello to All, i recently came across some disturbing material in another thread (24 Elders)- a book by the name of War in Heaven by Kyle Griffiths.
The gist of it is that there are 2 competing sides for souls after we leave Earth and they are the Theocrats who take control of souls through deceiving them at point of death eg pretending to be Jesus/a loved one and these souls may join them or be destroyed/eaten and another group called The Invisible College who are of the positive.
For myself this material if true/real/now- is frightening as i want to prepare my children in life for beyond and such a scenario seems so unfair, designed to catch so many unsuspecting souls. So i would like to hear others opinion/experiences if possible as this rabbit hole took me to unsettling places.

Thanks lookbeyond

[greybeard]

Hello to All, i recently came across some disturbing material in another thread (24 Elders)- a book by the name of War in Heaven by Kyle Griffiths.
The gist of it is that there are 2 competing sides for souls after we leave Earth and they are the Theocrats who take control of souls through deceiving them at point of death eg pretending to be Jesus/a loved one and these souls may join them or be destroyed/eaten and another group called The Invisible College who are of the positive.
For myself this material if true/real/now- is frightening as i want to prepare my children in life for beyond and such a scenario seems so unfair, designed to catch so many unsuspecting souls. So i would like to hear others opinion/experiences if possible as this rabbit hole took me to unsettling places.

Thanks lookbeyond


Honestly I would not worry-- Your soul belongs to I am that I am (God)
In your essence you are That.
I heard One enlightened teacher say "There is only one soul, and I am That"
The same teacher when questioned Are you God? said "Yes and so are you, the only difference is I know what I am"

I am That is YOU--- You are all that is-- the totality all of it.
Scientists are beginning to understand that we live in a holographic universe-- all (without exception) is contained within a single atom of your body, and every atom everywhere.

Chris

[lookbeyond]

Thanks for responding Chris,

Kind Reguards lookbeyond[

[Beren]

Hello to All, i recently came across some disturbing material in another thread (24 Elders)- a book by the name of War in Heaven by Kyle Griffiths.
The gist of it is that there are 2 competing sides for souls after we leave Earth and they are the Theocrats who take control of souls through deceiving them at point of death eg pretending to be Jesus/a loved one and these souls may join them or be destroyed/eaten and another group called The Invisible College who are of the positive.
For myself this material if true/real/now- is frightening as i want to prepare my children in life for beyond and such a scenario seems so unfair, designed to catch so many unsuspecting souls. So i would like to hear others opinion/experiences if possible as this rabbit hole took me to unsettling places.

Thanks lookbeyond

Hello lookbeyond and sorry for not replying earlier.

The answer lies right here under your very nose. Your name chosen for the forum suggest that your soul wants to look beyond.
To see above and below and actually beyond the current picture.

Current picture is bleak and somewhat disgusting. But it is the necessary one for great universal lesson, for us and all.
Many lies are spread and many battles are raging all around.

First thing is to consciously face the fear that stalks you. Face it head to head and don`t let it go until you become aware that you`re not afraid anymore.
That your defacto maim is now worthless.

Then remove from that stage and head straight to the presented areas of what`s going on.
Factions are many as many souls are interested in this "little kingdom amongst innumerable stars". But one thing is sure - you have to connect directly with Creator/God/All that is/Love.

Cut to the chase , open yourself fully to Love and be honest to the core. Love isn`t always rosy as one would like so. Love is- meaning Love is all that is. Including wisdom, justice,power, consciousness,understandings,compassion...Love.

You will be meddled with. Your frequency (when speaking with God) will be tested out by many. They will meddle in, twist it, toss with various hints, ideas, fears , images, illusions.
You have to be strong and continue until you release all this down and knock on proverbial door where God is.
Really God is right here in you at this very moment. God created us so there is a spark of divine in all of us. Use it.

Know that God and Christ are beyond religion. Beyond human concepts of what God is. God is THE power. THE Love ...
Set aside religious assertions and illusions, political ones, scientific and dogmatic from all other teachings from all humans. Meaning, cut to the chase of running around and go straight to the source.

There you will find your answers.
There you will feel freedom from this world`s illusions- so you will know when someone is scaring you in order to make you comply and work their will.
If you act through fear- you willingly agree to do whatever they want you to do.

So first step- fear not.
There are many pretenders, many liars, many gods entwined in their own dramas and illusions.Many gods but God is one. God is Love. True Love destroys fear.

I bless you dear soul. Your choices and yours. And future of your children is theirs, you can do the best for them as to show the way, show the core and hope they will walk their walk. You cannot force them but you can protect them so that when they choose - to choose in awareness and in state of fearlessness.

This I bless.

Beren

[lookbeyond]

Hello Beren, a symphony of words to soothe my soul,


Thankyou, lookbeyond

[Bryston]

My thoughts exactly. A synchronicity point, I am listening to Space Ritual as I type this.

So I have a question pertaining to this. It's been in my mind all day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tisjsgsgtZU

I feel like there's something big coming, and I wish I could elaborate on that, but I find myself unable to, which may be part of the problem.

I don't feel like I'm ready. I don't feel like I'm where I'm supposed to be, like I'm just ...completely behind.

I'm a relative newcomer to most of the information on this board and its many sources, but I've been interested in spirituality my whole life.

I guess my question is, Am I just being negative because of the mass of information I've still yet to accumulate stressing me out?

How do I prepare further? Will I know in my heart, without a doubt, that I am advancing?

Thanks everyone, and sorry for the ridiculous questions. It's been a weird day.

[Beren]

:bump:

I `m bumping this thread which I started in 2010. It speaks about things we experience now en masse. Most relevant.
Nothing new under the sun, until we change and start being responsible for our thoughts, words and actions.

[Kiforall]

Hello to All, i recently came across some disturbing material in another thread (24 Elders)- a book by the name of War in Heaven by Kyle Griffiths.
The gist of it is that there are 2 competing sides for souls after we leave Earth and they are the Theocrats who take control of souls through deceiving them at point of death eg pretending to be Jesus/a loved one and these souls may join them or be destroyed/eaten and another group called The Invisible College who are of the positive.
For myself this material if true/real/now- is frightening as i want to prepare my children in life for beyond and such a scenario seems so unfair, designed to catch so many unsuspecting souls. So i would like to hear others opinion/experiences if possible as this rabbit hole took me to unsettling places.

Thanks lookbeyond

I read something similar just after I'd got my head around not fearing death.

It seems to be the norm at the moment, that whenever you sift through certain negative aspects in your mind it opens up another area that needs sorting, if it instils another fear in me I just accept that my faith in myself needs further assistance.

Whoever or whatever seems to have a card to play whatever the hand.

I just accept if I'm not ready to win the game this time I'll have to play again.

All I can do is learn as much as I can to trust my true self.

I'm doing as much as I can for my children, getting them out of school has been my biggest contribution to their success in this world as far as I'm concerned. What they do with the awareness I'm teaching them is ultimately up to them. I think they KNOW more than me anyway lol, my Son is the oldest and most genuine soul I have have had the pleasure to meet, I can teach him very little about the injustices in this world.

As parents its our job to worry about our children but I'm sure you are more aware than your parents were so this has got to be a good thing for them. I am always honest with them and if we are talking about things such as death I will even discuss what info is out there just so they know the varied beliefs people are putting across, whether I believe it or not, it's sometimes remarkable what s**t they see through straight away. Their minds haven't been indoctorated like a lot of society in the world.

Love to you and yours,
Zoe

[opihikaobob]

How can we master the light if we haven't mastered the darkness? Perhaps a third duality is the alchemy of both?

Maharishi used to say - Don't struggle in the darkness - bring in the light (In this case through doing TM )
So when you bring in the light you automatically cancel out the darkness. JGD

[opihikaobob]

Hello to All, i recently came across some disturbing material in another thread (24 Elders)- a book by the name of War in Heaven by Kyle Griffiths.
The gist of it is that there are 2 competing sides for souls after we leave Earth and they are the Theocrats who take control of souls through deceiving them at point of death eg pretending to be Jesus/a loved one and these souls may join them or be destroyed/eaten and another group called The Invisible College who are of the positive.
For myself this material if true/real/now- is frightening as i want to prepare my children in life for beyond and such a scenario seems so unfair, designed to catch so many unsuspecting souls. So i would like to hear others opinion/experiences if possible as this rabbit hole took me to unsettling places.

Thanks lookbeyond


Honestly I would not worry-- Your soul belongs to I am that I am (God)
In your essence you are That.
I heard One enlightened teacher say "There is only one soul, and I am That"
The same teacher when questioned Are you God? said "Yes and so are you, the only difference is I know what I am"

I am That is YOU--- You are all that is-- the totality all of it.
Scientists are beginning to understand that we live in a holographic universe-- all (without exception) is contained within a single atom of your body, and every atom everywhere.

Chris"The same teacher when questioned Are you God? said "Yes and so are you, the only difference is I know what I am"

The Servant is Not Greater than the Master (Reading John 15)
June 27, 2012 by athlensc
“20 …A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted Me, they will also persecute you. If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.”

We are servants, the “doulos”, of God. “Doulos” are bondmen, people who are given to the will of another, whose self-interest is disregarded for another’s.

As servants, as people of the master, we will receive and inherit the same adulation and the same condemnation that our master receives. If our master is praised, so will we. If He is being accused, so will we.

We must know the price to pay to follow Jesus. According to Jesus, we will not pay any less than what He has paid, His life.

Mind you, we will also reap the same fruits He reaps, and share the same authority that He had. Jesus said, “If they kept My word, they will keep yours also.”

[4Talismans]

Hello lookbeyond,

That really is an interesting book. Kyle Griffiths is a friend of mine from a forum I used to belong to. I think the book touches on some real truths, the energy whipped up by pastors that can then be used by whatever energy vampires they are unwittingly serving for one. However, if what his spirit guides told him about souls is true, I think that it is true in a different sense. Materialism, consumerism, and lots of other isms will eat our souls right here on earth. First we become "dead" as in dead to the light that we actually are, and then our souls are in jeopardy.
There were some things about that book that sent warning bells. First off being that the Invisible College was using fear tactics to try to get compliance. Real spirit has no need to use fear on us. Because we are it anyway. I prefer to listen to my own intuition and use my own experiences of oneness/totality. If I can (and do) have "the peace that passeth all understanding" in this fallen world, I surely can in the next.

[lookbeyond]

Thankyou 4Talismans-i hope it is so-lb

[Arejay]

That was tasty food for thought. It was written beautifully and the message was one of profound meaning and love. It made me feel good about the way I do things, because every time I make the rite choice I know it doesn't go unnoticed.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

I like to think that there is a grey area which is where we occupy space and the light and dark are always pulling us in opposite directions.

[Sean]

I agree there is a war for souls. I do NOT agree with the "we invited it" theory. Ive been studying Theosophy, taking classes at a local lodge. Their interpretation of Blavatsky, Judge, etc, is very insightful considering how dense the material is. Where I break with them is their refusal to acknowledge negative forces, of a kind NOT GENERATED BY THAT PARTICULAR SOUL..They seem to think that all opposition on the path to higher vibration is self-generated, while my experience is, we have opposition, and yes, a fight is necessary. Whether spiritual/astral, or in 3D reality, there are times we have to "pull the sword from the stone", and "Excalibur" someone's unruly ass.

You cant always just retreat and forgive. Asswhuppin' is part of the solution.

[gardener2]

Hello Beren I really enjoyed your post and I am still mulling it over, however according to the bible it seems that knowledge is what got us into this mess in the first place. a little tao. the pursuit of knowledge continuously creats the thirst for more knowledge. But whoever lives the way of the unfathomable become humbler every day. Lao Tzu. still mulling it over though. gardener 2

[Beren]

Hello Beren I really enjoyed your post and I am still mulling it over, however according to the bible it seems that knowledge is what got us into this mess in the first place. a little tao. the pursuit of knowledge continuously creats the thirst for more knowledge. But whoever lives the way of the unfathomable become humbler every day. Lao Tzu. still mulling it over though. gardener 2


Hello gardener2,
you know as we evolve and grow in our souls, we gather various experiences from wherever we have been in time & space.
Now where this war comes from?
From within, sparked by the desire for power. A lust for power. But in essence you cannot have more power because you are as soul already a part of the Almighty. How come then there is a war for souls?


Some souls and some entities ventured into paths of thought which is kind of experimental. Meaning let`s see what if...
In this path a large portion of souls and entities forgot who they are and fear kicked in. From that fear the monumental constructions appeared whether in spiritual realms of physical realms.


Hence a need for inner energy spark which many are losing by constantly getting away from Creator hence they try to usurp it from others.
Hence a war.


But again when you look from above, there is no war in higher dimensions, only in lower.


Lao Tzu was one of the avatars showing us the way to the higher dimensions.
Bible carries a very important message on many levels and for the ignorant ones it seems stupid or irrelevant.
Thing is to raise above ignorance.


To see deeply, to understand thoroughly, to feel mightily, to hear through frequencies, to be one with Creator.

[Beren]

I agree there is a war for souls. I do NOT agree with the "we invited it" theory. Ive been studying Theosophy, taking classes at a local lodge. Their interpretation of Blavatsky, Judge, etc, is very insightful considering how dense the material is. Where I break with them is their refusal to acknowledge negative forces, of a kind NOT GENERATED BY THAT PARTICULAR SOUL..They seem to think that all opposition on the path to higher vibration is self-generated, while my experience is, we have opposition, and yes, a fight is necessary. Whether spiritual/astral, or in 3D reality, there are times we have to "pull the sword from the stone", and "Excalibur" someone's unruly ass.

You cant always just retreat and forgive. Asswhuppin' is part of the solution.




When do you decide to pull the sword?

[Skyhaven]

Lately I'm having these profound reoccurring realizations of really obvious things. This may sound somewhat weird, but I'm just stunned by the fact i'm alive, that I'm part of all of this, that I'm here, in a body, seeing all these forms and colors, god knows why, that its actually happening....

[annacherie]

on darkness and light by Randy Eady:

Wisdom is seen with an open eye:
The physicists among us may say darkness is just the absence of light - but that's because they haven't realized (or forgot) true darkness is not just the absence of light. It manifests as a source of its own - enveloping, sometimes consuming those in its path. In itself, neither good nor evil, but darkness's strength and power can be terrifying and all-consuming.
Light and darkness as in life and death, are inseparable. You'll not have one without the other. They are present at the same moment in the same space; only our measure separates them. Without our perceptual middle there's no boundary; only the observer making a measurement. As neither the light light, nor darkness darkness, death is not death as life is life: each one dissolves into its primal origin.
Quantifying substantive qualities such as brightness & giving them units helps us order our perception but their privative duals are only relative, i.e., no matter how bright it may be it's always dark relative to some exponentially brighter aspect. That's sometimes used to argue "brightness" as meaningless or really a failing of "darkness".
To embrace this from a spiritual viewpoint, it's darkness that remains present at all times, but not perceptible in the presence of light. Light obscures darkness. Darkness remains where light cannot reach while the reverse is not true. Darkness requires no source, light comes from something & somewhere. The source of light can be veiled to then appear as a source of darkness.
Let's look at it another way: The Roman philosopher Seneca noted, "an educated man experiences more in a day than an uneducated man in a lifetime."
Which suggests ignorance can be quantified as a form of prevailing darkness in like fashion. We speak of people being dim but it is also a privative quality as compared to knowledge (education) which can be quantified to some extent only in relation to bits of accumulated, insightful information -- that relates to perceptual experience.


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[Beren]

on darkness and light by Randy Eady:

Wisdom is seen with an open eye:
The physicists among us may say darkness is just the absence of light - but that's because they haven't realized (or forgot) true darkness is not just the absence of light. It manifests as a source of its own - enveloping, sometimes consuming those in its path. In itself, neither good nor evil, but darkness's strength and power can be terrifying and all-consuming.
Light and darkness as in life and death, are inseparable. You'll not have one without the other. They are present at the same moment in the same space; only our measure separates them. Without our perceptual middle there's no boundary; only the observer making a measurement. As neither the light light, nor darkness darkness, death is not death as life is life: each one dissolves into its primal origin.
Quantifying substantive qualities such as brightness & giving them units helps us order our perception but their privative duals are only relative, i.e., no matter how bright it may be it's always dark relative to some exponentially brighter aspect. That's sometimes used to argue "brightness" as meaningless or really a failing of "darkness".
To embrace this from a spiritual viewpoint, it's darkness that remains present at all times, but not perceptible in the presence of light. Light obscures darkness. Darkness remains where light cannot reach while the reverse is not true. Darkness requires no source, light comes from something & somewhere. The source of light can be veiled to then appear as a source of darkness.
Let's look at it another way: The Roman philosopher Seneca noted, "an educated man experiences more in a day than an uneducated man in a lifetime."
Which suggests ignorance can be quantified as a form of prevailing darkness in like fashion. We speak of people being dim but it is also a privative quality as compared to knowledge (education) which can be quantified to some extent only in relation to bits of accumulated, insightful information -- that relates to perceptual experience.


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Very true. Hence this long thread that I started a while ago about spiritual encounters of all kind. Since all carries some bandwidth of frequency- we feel which one is it.
And by the very nature of the frequency, beings manifest coated in light or darkness or in-between.
Ones that appear as monsters or other forms are carrying the low bandwidth.

Since the nature of spirit is manifold and fluid I suggest that encounters with with spirit world is happening non stop but we may think if only I see a ghost or an angel or a demon (frequencies of various beings) I encounter the spirit world.

What about inspiration, creativity and else, beauty?

All tuning up to the certain bandwidth of spirit which is all around us.

[sms]

This is exactly what seems to be going in the background, while our attention, in this reality, has been diverted to all other directions. We seem to be busy with everything else, except with the most important issue, which somehow goes below the threshold of our (conditioned) perception. In this reality, the war for our souls is going on for quite a while and we seem to be unaware of this!?

According to the Eastern Gnosis, on this planet ~50% of people have individual souls, while there are sources which state that the souled part of humanity is even much smaller. People without souls are called anthropoids, preadamics, sons of god, organic portals, matrix agents etc.

Russian esotericist Gurdjieff was saying at some of his lectures that soulless people could obtain an individual soul, if they in their lives would mimic the souled people. (Here, we may need to take into account the Epigenetics, as it seems that there is a direct link between the DNA frequency and the soul frequency, so they must resonate.) However, what is happening on this planet, is just the opposite. The souled people are mimicking the soulless ones, with a more or less success. Those who are successful in the mimicking, get divorced from their souls. They loose it. “The control system” (the “soul thieves”) has made the system of living in this reality, the life values etc. in accordance to the needs and purposes of anthropoids, or to their advantage, and the souled people are made just to follow the suit, in order to be “successful” i.e. to establish and maintain an easier existence.
The mental programs, like religions, spirituality, ideologies etc. are just prerequisites for our living in a condition which is in Easter Gnosis regarded as a sleep or a hypnotic trance.


Gurdjieff: “Most of people spend whole their lives in a state of sleep. In the state of the sleep, some of them may make themselves busy with science, while others may even write books.”

And, the state of sleep of the humanity is just a desired condition, from the point of view of the ‘soul thieves”, as they can do to us whatever they want, while we are sleeping.

And, even, if in the state of sleep, we make ourselves busy with the spirituality, we are getting nowhere, because what we can have in a controlled reality, would be only a - controlled spirituality. A “spirituality-without-the soul”, one may say. (A while ago, I wrote about it – HERE (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?53854-Metaphysics-Where-Science-and-Spirituality-Meet&p=668287&viewfull=1#post668287).) So, no surprise that our famous, “enlightened” gurus would never talk about this!? I would even say that most of them have been utilised by the control system as vehicles for a mass-tranquilisation, especially, the tranquilisation of those human beings who managed to escape the classic religious programming and which regard themselves as the “truthseekers”.

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Connecting the dots

I wrote earlier, under another topics, about the gnostic Parable of the Coach, which depicts a human being pretty accurately, where the coachman is the personality (the mind), the carriage represents the physical body, horses - the spirit and the passenger - the soul. We may say that most of us identify ourselves with the coachman and the carriage, not having a slight idea about other parts of the being, especially the soul and their properties.

And, the components of the Coach, may be defined like this:

The passenger or the Soul has been defined in space, in energy and in consciousness, so regarding that she consists from the the space and energy components, she projects itself along the time axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality. Therefore, a Soul may be incarnated into more human bodies, however, in different times.

The horses or the Spirit has been defined in time, energy and consciousness, so regarding that it consists from the time and energy components, it projects itself along the space axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality. Therefore, a Spirit may be incarnated into more human bodies, however, in the same time.

The coachmen or the Mind has been defined in the space, time and consciousness, so regarding that it consists from the components of the space and time, it projects itself along the energy axis, in order to experience or learn about the spiritual reality.

(So, these three components can be regarded as the „Holy Trinity“ of a human being.)

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From the above definitions, we may see that the Soul as a component of a human being, has some interesting properties. It has the energy and at the same time, she is eternal, as she exists across the time. It seems that this was the reason for her absence (or the wrong interpretation) in “our” spirit-uality?! As the archontic/alien entities (who comprise so called “control system”) do not have this component (as well as, many humans do not have it), this is what they are after. They are after its energy, and they are after its eternity.

There are some other properties souls have, and it is a feeling of humanness and conscience (as a FEELING, and not an intellectual term; it often does not have much to do with so called “humanitarian aids”, which are usually employed to mask psychopathological activities in this reality, as a damage control or means for gaining or retaining a control).

So, one may say that the feeling of humanness would be a platform from which souled or complete human beings would mostly act, and as more awareness they manage to gain, their interaction with the reality will be more optimal.

However, the problem is that in this reality and other “associated” ones, there are entities which are “incomplete”. They have only the mind and the spirit component. The lack of the soul component they have compensated by developing the mind/intellect and technology. Some of them have bodies, some are bodiless and their existence is dependent on us, or better to say, on those of us who have the souls.

The alien abduction research, conducted by some Italian scientist over a period of more than 40 years, has revealed that the aliens/archons abduct only the souled humans, in order to use their souls as batteries and to use their bodies for various purposes, such as genome manipulation, in order to make bodies suitable for themselves, which they would be able to inhabit and to bind to them the souls (stolen from us) in order to achieve the eternity. In the meanwhile, they store their “deads” (the alien Spirit/Mind complexes whose physical bodies have expired) in us i.e. into the abductees, in order to keep them alive (they are being fed by the soul energy of an abductee) till a new alien body becomes available to them. (This alien spirit/mind complex stored in an abductee is called AAM – Active Alien Memory; an abductee may not be aware of it, or in some cases he may experience it as his personal “spiritual guide”, a “guardian angel” etc.).

To make the situation a bit more complicated, some anthropoids (soulless humans) from the top of the power pyramid on this planet, have become aware of these issues and their own mortality due to lack of the soul component, so they have joined the game, as well, trying to obtain the souls for themselves, of course, from those of us who have them. They have developed a sophisticated technology for this.

For the anthropoids, the only way to improve their performance and survivability, would be what they call – the transhumanism. Merging with the technology. (Their alien mentors and masters may have already achieved it.) So, no surprise that they are steering us all into the direction of a complete enslavement.

(Current “morgellonization”/nano-implantation, associated with the mass vaccination of the humanity, would be one of the steps, towards achieving this goal)

So, it could be said that the soulless entities, would they be in human or alien bodies, are dependent on the souled human beings. They need us and we do not need them. However, they can go nowhere without us, as in such a case, they would cease to exist. The technology can not provide them with the soul energy and it can not make them eternal. On the other hand, we do not have to follow them and we do not have to submit to them, if we reach a sufficient awareness. (I did not say - the “enlightenment”, as it seems to be one of their numerous traps!?) We can choose our own way.

In order to do that, the coachman will need to integrate himself with the all components of the coach. He must develop himself to the degree when he will be able to accomplish the task. (He should not be turned off, excluded, abridged or bypassed, as it is promoted through the new-age spirit-uality.) Once he manages, from his currently, more or less disconnected state, to integrate his being i.e. the physical body with the spirit and the soul, he would be able to start living his life more consciously. In fact, we do not have any other option, if we really want to liberate ourselves.

I think, the times are coming, when souled people will be suffering more and more a depression (http://www.sott.net/article/295289-Epidemic-depression-as-a-wake-up-call-to-humanity), which would be a result of a cognitive dissonance, due to their (conditioned) personalities tending to think and go one way, while the other components would see the reality differently and try to go another way. This can cause a split on the level of one’s being. The passengers (the souls), as conscious entities, may be more aware of the situation, than the coachmen, and when seeing that they steer the coaches towards an abyss, they may first try to warn them, and if the coachmen do not listen, the passengers may jump out of the coach.

As the reality is holographic, where everything is interconnected, the awareness on the level of the souls may reach a threshold, when a chain reaction may start in terms of their awakening. After a sufficient number of the souls realise that they have become endangered (our souls are at different levels of awareness, as well, as revealed by conversation with them under certain circumstances, such as SIMBAD (https://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/liberation-techniques/simbad/) and FMS (https://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/liberation-techniques/flash-mental-simulation/) sessions), they may provide a resistance on their own level of consciousness (100th monkey syndrome may apply there, as well).

In the Eastern Gnosis (http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/esp_autor_mouravieff.htm), it was recognised long ago that a human being lives his life in a “disconnected state”, and the whole teaching was designed in a way to help one to connect all his components and to start living consciously. In the meanwhile, some other techniques, such as FDTCT (https://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2013/05/10/fdtct/) were developed, which may be helpful in achieving the same, if properly understood, by the coachmen.

To gain a better understanding of this dynamics, we may take some time to have a look at the movie the Never Ending Story (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3khTntOxX-k), where we could interpret symbolically the child reading the book as our personality, the kid Atreyu as our Spirit component, the luckdragon Falkor as our Mind component and the Childlike Empress, as our Soul component. It is all about the integration of our consciousness through the integration of all our components. (We may see in the move, as well, that all that was happening while the reality was falling apart!?)

At the end, I would recommend this video lecture, Gaining Consciousness, by Dr Corrado Malanga. Here is the 1st part, out of 25, which can be found on the same youtube channel:

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[Soul Surfer]

Hi there! Excellent Post, you touch on some very curious things! I agree with what you are saying about negative energy forced upon you from nowhere. And with free will, these situations happen all the time to pretty much everyone. The way you win is basically mind/soul over matter! Lol, like for example if a bad customer comes into your store and gives you unwarranted bad attitude. You can either choose to react to this in a positive or a negative way. This separates the good from the bad! Either way why let someone else bring you down to negative spiritual place! Have a great day everyone :)

[Matina]

I feel the same thing exactly,i read, i listen,i watch ok,that's good because you can understand about what's going on.I should start meditate probably but for me the most important thing is to stop all the negative thoughts.Day by day.I can feel my mind full of thoughts and my guts become like feast from anxiety but i want to feel my heart.Not the mind,the heart is what makes us humans,we have to warm our hearts,make them big and open.It's not easy but we can start by trying to love ourselves

[Matthew]

I feel the same thing exactly,i read, i listen,i watch ok,that's good because you can understand about what's going on.I should start meditate probably but for me the most important thing is to stop all the negative thoughts.Day by day.I can feel my mind full of thoughts and my guts become like feast from anxiety but i want to feel my heart.Not the mind,the heart is what makes us humans,we have to warm our hearts,make them big and open.It's not easy but we can start by trying to love ourselves

That's beautiful Matina :yo:


Beren this thread title caught my eye because of something that happened to me about a year ago.. I heard a voice like internal dialogue but I was surprised to hear it. It said


make no mistake there is a battle for your soul

It wasn't like my normal thinking chatter. Had a profound effect on me. I'm happy not knowing how or why that happened because the message was clear because I was teetering on the edge of spiritual apathy at the time. I chose the side of good because there's no contest, it was just to make a choice and remind me what no choice would turn out like, perhaps :sun:

[Beren]

I feel the same thing exactly,i read, i listen,i watch ok,that's good because you can understand about what's going on.I should start meditate probably but for me the most important thing is to stop all the negative thoughts.Day by day.I can feel my mind full of thoughts and my guts become like feast from anxiety but i want to feel my heart.Not the mind,the heart is what makes us humans,we have to warm our hearts,make them big and open.It's not easy but we can start by trying to love ourselves

That's beautiful Matina :yo:


Beren this thread title caught my eye because of something that happened to me about a year ago.. I heard a voice like internal dialogue but I was surprised to hear it. It said


make no mistake there is a battle for your soul

It wasn't like my normal thinking chatter. Had a profound effect on me. I'm happy not knowing how or why that happened because the message was clear because I was teetering on the edge of spiritual apathy at the time. I chose the side of good because there's no contest, it was just to make a choice and remind me what no choice would turn out like, perhaps :sun:


Thank you YoYoYo.

This thread was created almost 5 years ago and it`s still valid today, more than ever.
War is being fueled daily but we can choose to take our power back, to close their energy supply thus extinct them.

In the grand scheme of things, we are perfect and good and love but down the corridors of time and space we strive for many different things and encounter many energy forms which were created by chaotic minds. Challenge is to withstand the pressure from those energies and allow soul to shine forth.

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I feel the same thing exactly,i read, i listen,i watch ok,that's good because you can understand about what's going on.I should start meditate probably but for me the most important thing is to stop all the negative thoughts.Day by day.I can feel my mind full of thoughts and my guts become like feast from anxiety but i want to feel my heart.Not the mind,the heart is what makes us humans,we have to warm our hearts,make them big and open.It's not easy but we can start by trying to love ourselves


That is an excellent statement form you- we have to warm our hearts...
That is the one of the most important decisions one should do.

What makes us human...heart, soul and flame of God.

[giovonni]

Dealing with this type of things is difficult. Mere try to explain all surrounding fact is almost impossible task for many. However that does not change the fact that a war rages on. A war that is very often unseen . It`s a war for souls.
Tons of evidence of entities whom reside in another reality or dimension than ours are forcing us to at least think of what is going on in our lives.
Thoughts, actions and other things are effected by spiritual world more than we are aware of.
Heard of a phrase that fish stinks from its head?
Well that could explain the things here. Spirits are controlling majority of people without same people being aware of it.
Free will is a rule but affecting is not ,hence thoughts are being infused into minds ,patterns of thinking, even vivid pictures or whole conversations- all in order to provoke reaction of people.
Then when people react ,they mostly do it blindly erring or doing things which they regret afterwards.

Whenever you do good thing, or a good deed, it does not comes unnoticed by all sides. Dark ones then seek to diminish your effort ,to down it. Then they turn to yourself in a form or energy attack or simply by bombarding your mind with negative thoughts, provoking you to do evil.

As we are physical we can`t deal with them on physical level. But first step in overcoming the enemy is knowledge.
Knowledge of what is happening and whom is affecting your life in bad way.
You may think it is this or that but major affecter are spiritual entities.

That is why this is a war for souls. They wish that humans be enslaved or dead. Why?
Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.
Bible spoke of that.
Now forget all that you assume about Bible. Forget all and approach from other angle.
Story written there is bigger than we ever thought of.
One of the reasons why that story is blurred or diminished was and is dark ones`s wishes that we as humans never ever raise our head and have knowledge. Hence the history of lies ,murders and all evil to keep the truth out of humanity`s hands.

But never forget that little thingy ... free will. By free will that is granted to me I choose to know and to be. I choose to live and to love. I choose to have nothing with darkness. I choose to live my life like some people never will, I choose to find kindness ,beauty and truth.

I hope that you too - who ever you are that reads this lines - will choose wisely.
Circles that we start always are rounding to our face, some may feel as blessing and other as curse. May you choose knowledge filled with love,tossed with wisdom and justice - first step towards Creator as our everlasting Father.

Bumping this OP ... Which bears repeating.

Note I had delightful conversation with my friend Milo (Beren) last evening, and want to give
an acknowledgement of his wisdom and always loving caring spirit for those of us here ...

He's one of the originals still holding space here at Avalon !

[Beren]

Thank you Gio!

It`s been 6 years since I started this thread. It`s even more valid now. War still rages on but on the highest levels of divine existence - there is only Love ...with capital L.
But that doesn`t change the fact that as you go down towards bodily experience, your perception of life changes and some beings wages war on others for various reasons.
All wars are spiritual in essence and it`s the fight for energy.

Thus friends, let`s grow in the highest - Love. Love is the only thing there is and that is.
Everything else is an illusion of a kind. Nevetheless we experience the illusion. But let us not be captured by it.

Greybeard- your wisdom is a beacon that shines across the stars.
Gio- your essence still shows the way to many- because you`re the kindler-the star remembrance kindler.

There are many more such as Lionhawk as my brother in arms...
And many others... Love to you all.

[greybeard]

Love Love Love and see what happens
has been a guide to me through difficult times that come into everyones life.

Good to see you posting Beren--Brother of another mother.

Much love
Chris

[justmagick]

I have some cause for concern in my live. it started at the age of 12 when I first left my mothers in California to live with my father in Spokane Washington. I have been tormented for years at night when I try to sleep. it started as a feeling of an absolute horrifying evil presence that would fill the room, so horrifying that I couldn't scream or breath. sometimes it would hit the wall next to my head with the intensity of a hammer hitting (my bedroom was in the basement underground) and some times it would feel as if a thousand pounds of weight was holding me down. I spent most of my childhood and teenagehood after that sleeping with the light on out of fear of it coming. between the feelings and waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed I become so accustomed to it that I would try to ignore it, so in order to get itself recognized it would also shake the bed and hit my pillows at times. I dealt with this for years and at times it would go away for months only to come back again. I became sick about fifteen years ago which I attribute to the spiritual presence. after going to doctors and hospitals for years without being diagnosed, tested for thousands of diseases, I just gave up going. it became apparent that it was tied in with the cause because different women that I have been in relationships started to experience parts of the symptoms as well as being tormented by my ENTITY.I know that it has tried to keep me from progressing spiritually because I used to be pretty proficient at getting out of my body (astral projection) and for a long time it seemed like there was a block after I became sick and one night I distinctly remember feeling the presence of itinthe room while I was trying to get out just about four years ago and for te first time ever it attacked me physically, I remember laying there next to my ex tracy and feeling the presence of the entity and so I just ignored it. about thirty seconds later it felt as if an etheric form reached into my stomach and "for lack of a better word" tickled me with horrific intensity as if some form of electricity was balled up in my stomach and because of that night I still have a hard time sleeping n my back out of fear that it will attack me, like there is a muscle memory of fear every time I lay down on my back.
The reason that I'm writing this is because I would like to know what is going on with me. I used to be one of the most loving people that you would ever meet, I did have my faults like everyone else, but I genuinely cared for everyone, I used to have a huge heart and I don't know if it's between some of the really hard traumas that I have had in my life and being so sick and being in so much pain for so many years that I didn't even want to live anymore, but I want my heart back. not that it's completely gone (I'm not a robot) it's just that I'm very distant even from myself and when I feel like I'm going to cry, it won't come out. I have even tried lol.
another thing is,I feel lately as if I'm being visited by aliens. and they don't feel as if they are benevolent either. I looked up a list of symptoms of abductees and I have all of them out of like 80 symptoms accept for maybe three.

[sparrow7]

You were talking about spirits taking advantage over the soul OP.

These are the same Archons, the archons are shadow spirits, they are shady like. These spirits if you don't notice them, they will guide you without your knowing to have some fun, smoke, drink alcohol, do some drugs, party hard. On your expense of course, because when you have fun they have fun too on your back, when you eat they eat too, when you smoke, drink do drugs, they do it too on your tab.

When you notice them, they will become tyranical towards you, the Archons have been defined as Yellow Lions.
Their job is to help you harvest your self, in preparation for the Higher Echelons so they can collect your belongings.
The higher Archons (or God) call it what you want are the parents of the small lion archon that they put on you.

Archons are nothing but parasitical beings living in the shadow of one self, if you look at your shadow picture it full of archons.



I became sick about fifteen years ago which I attribute to the spiritual presence. after going to doctors and hospitals for years without being diagnosed, tested for thousands of diseases, I just gave up going. it became apparent that it was tied in with the cause because different women that I have been in relationships started to experience parts of the symptoms as well as being tormented by my ENTITY.I know that it has tried to keep me from progressing spiritually because I used to be pretty proficient at getting out of my body (astral projection) and for a long time it seemed like there was a block after I became sick and one night I distinctly remember feeling the presence of itinthe room while I was trying to get out just about four years ago and for te first time ever it attacked me physically, I remember laying there next to my ex tracy and feeling the presence of the entity and so I just ignored it. about thirty seconds later it felt as if an etheric form reached into my stomach and "for lack of a better word" tickled me with horrific intensity as if some form of electricity was balled up in my stomach and because of that night I still have a hard time sleeping n my back out of fear that it will attack me, like there is a muscle memory of fear every time I lay down on my back.


Don't go, they will lable you schizo and you will only make it worst for your self, they are all controled by them anyway, all of them. Who is embeded into this social structure to the core of it, , the bad food , work robot program, the life style, who follows all of these things are all under their control.

They can do anything they want with the people on the streets, I see it everyday how everyone is just a puppet playing a role.You can't get rid of them, only if you are very good at your practice.

They have picked you because you chose to practice spiritual stuff, meditation, spiritual work and this will grant you freedom, and once you st.art practicing this things they will be all over you in an instance, because it's like you escaping from prison. Who practices these things will get a visit from them, because you are no longer under their control.

So the Archonic grid line is made up of their children, that are small parasitical entities that they infest you with, implant you with, little parasitical entities.
And then the elder archons (aka god).Among them there are some vile entities that are very old, for them it does not matter, only age matter.

For example take an example of a man, let's say he';s been a thief all his life, he did wrong things, cheated, took things from others, like their personal belongings and now that he has reached 80 years of age he wants respect from everyone that is younger than him, simply because he is older than them.

So respect based on age, not on what you did in your life or whatever that is. These elder spirits are posing as the chief grand creator of everything, and they want to be respected for being OLD. Of course you have to bee a fool to respect them, once you find out who "GOD" is and notice it is them then they will come over to demand respect and that you follow what they say, you know a guide to living, like pay taxes to them and tribute so they can thrive off of you, don't tell who they are, continue to reffer to them as "GOD the elder" Be a good coward, and submit to what they want, follow their ways, from now on you will get instruction from them on what to do.

In reality these are the criminal old serpent gods, shadow gods, the saturnial gods.
You simply have to learn how to ignore them, ignore people who they put on you to do stuff like get in your face, or talk behind you while you are walking.

Ignore them, ignore their society, ignore everything, don't give a f.uck about their children that they are growing here on earth with Yellow T-shirts.

It's my aspiration, to become a total unconviniance for this social structure. It's what I plan to do, total ignore + I don't give a **** mentality, it's the only way I tell you. If they send someone begging in front of you and you know they sent him, tell him you don't give a s.hit about him. They got people begging in front of the church, if you give these people money they will come for you because they know you are giving, so you need to become greedy.

You need to become greedy
You need to stop giving a s.hit about people who love this system and who want to remain part of it.
You need to totally go ignore mode.
Only pursuit what is of your interest.
When they rush to ask for your help say no, they will send people to do coumunity work like, let's decide this or that.

Stop eating animal products, they love when you eat these things, they will feast off of you when you do so + thing about the poor animals that suffer.

I often asked my self what kind of world we live in, I looked how animals are domesticated to be profited from, a domesticated animal will not fight back.
I then looked at the other animals that are not part of the food industry, animals that they torture, keep in cages inside the labs, to give them cancer, aids, torture them, break stuff in them see how they react, these things are done for test consumer products, so PIGS who do not care get to use them in this social garbage.

I then concluded very sharp who runs this place, Who runs this place ? GOD does, how come god allows and wants these things....me in my mind: because it is a farm house you dumb ass for harvest, ohhh yeah I said to my self. Then who is god, god is a bitch and an ass at the same time Is said, but more than a bitch I think an asshole goon.

I understood who god is, that it is one of those shadows, that we have been sold bull**** on a candy stick. Once you find out the truth they will hate you.
So this god is an old serpent spirit, it is them actually, because it's not only one, it is many elders, the elder spirit gods I call them. It is most likeley that these are the spirits bothering you, probaly 90% chance it's these elder garbage gods


Putting things in balances and checks, how do we get rid of them, answer WE DON'T.
We can't because probaly this forum and other such forums with people who take measures are only few in numbers.

For example on this forum only probally 30% will take any actions, the rest are readers, now picture out of these forums and debate sites how many are there.

Out of the total human population, only a few will care about anything, only a few will change anything. They will continue to thrive on other living things not caring where their meet comes from, or what happens to those animals in test facilities, or that our world has become a total dump house poluted, with forests cut down.

I was looking the other day on Google Earth on the forests cut down, I was amazed how much was cut down.

So the solution is only one with regrets "HUMAN EXCTINCTION" with the people who can make it on their own, the ones who can make it who still care about things, who can addapt back to nature or better put who can stay without the well fare of the system.

This is the only solution, there are no other viable solutions here if you really look at everything. It will just continue the same with them feeding off of others, and those people feeding off of the live animal stock with torturing animals, and abusing them, F-ing up the planet for personal gain and greed.

I mean let's face it, the majority does not care at all, they don't I can see it everyday when I go outside the house, all they care is about how to profit from smaller beings that they can impose on. They look more and more like these vile old gods.

Humanity has become a SNAKE LION.

If you look at the archons pictures you will see a Lion with the body of a serpent

It is most like this is what has been bothering you.
http://www.trickedbythelight.com/tbtl/images/demiurge-lion-faced-serpent.jpg

It's what has become of humanity also.

[justmagick]

thank you for the input sparrow. but I will still choose to be giving to whom I choose. there are times that I was in need and I count it a blessing to find others in need like the times that I have been in need. I do understand your description of what they look like. I had a lot of ot of body experiences when I was younger and I remember that I woke p ot of body one day. I went to wrap my arm around my girlfriend that I had at the time and my arm went through her head and then I realized that I was out of body. then when I looked next to the bed there was an 8 foot or so tall pitch black figre that was staring at me and this thing was, pure hatred and fear and evil. the kind that can take yor breath away. I don't know if this is the one that has bothered me for years bt it was definitely in HATE with me.
does anyone else have any info on this ?

[sparrow7]

The archons are shadow beings, so it is them. The figure shady figure you saw was an archon. Also don't fall for the blonde scheme, blond is not white, it's yellow and it is a representation of the archons.

Yellow wasps, golden color , archonic gold, this is a rerpesentation of them. They rule the world, talk thru people, they can use you as a puppet, no one has independence, they corrupted everything, they feast on the back of everyone, humanity is in a deplorable state, most of it will not make it.

They only have tricks and games, hate, and most people on this earth resemble them, because they have been infested by them, they are becoming archonic, they live in a make pretend world, like the archons desire them to, take away all the nice toys, and you will see humanity in dificulty and most people will become dishonest and cheat.

So humanity = ZERO VALUE
But I'm sure the few, some will not act this way, and it is to those people I wish luck.

A message to all sort of speak, you are with humanity you are with the archons, it's time to unhuman your self and strive to become something else, a better being.
Well I could put it the other way around, few remain human, and the rest are clowns walking on the street, **** clowns, I don't like clowns.
But since the majority represents humanity, then don;'t follow them, don't do what humans do.

They showed you all this stuff, because there is something inside of you that they want, otherwise they would not showed to you.
There is a reason, for haps you can stand up a little bit and control some aspects of your life, this is another reason why they might of showed up to you, since they don't like people controling aspects of their lives. It is one of these reasons.

Just now I was outside, and this blonde was laughing like a bitch outside like she had them inside of her, and they spoke thru her with me, "be a good boy" she was disgusting. "good boy means to submit to them" do what they say, so don;'t. I see them all the time, with the ugly people they hide behind.

Everytime I walk outside, they put people that they fully control to talk to me.

[sparrow7]

That is why this is a war for souls. They wish that humans be enslaved or dead. Why?
Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.

It's the other way they must make sure everyone is a human, a mortal man and does not gain spiritual insight.
The more human you are, the more weak you will become, what IS A MAN ? he is a mortal, is man of the forests, he is not, he was but he became more and more man.
So I can see man is regarded rather as an industrial being.
Man is flawed, it has flaws, it is corrupted with ease.

The whole point of this battle is to make sure you remain a mere mortal human and do not advance. So the label "human" is stamped on everyone, let's all be more human, lets all die.

The soul is not of mortals, so the man-human is of the world, but the soul is not of it. So by becoming 100% man you are of the world. Man the worldly being that returns to the earth once he is done, out of the dust he came, dust he becomes. What did Jesus say, do not become one with the world. Man will eat the soul, he is a soul eater, he will eat his self and his soul will become dust.

What is the fear of evolving beyond your human limitations, the soul not the man, evolution towards that, towards a being that can live on this earth yet preserve his soul sprite aspect, but the only problem that arises is that that being is no longer a human being.

So the question is, do you want to remain here or do something else, or do you want to continue to exist on coal, eat coal, get heated by coal, eat petrolium, heat with petrolium, consume petrolium, chop down forests to heat, eat lots of meat. It's only human, that is what a man does he will try to exist in this fashion in the future only to ensure his doom and die off before passing stupidity along to his next generation of children for others to do just the same from heritage.

[greybeard]

"Wear the world like a loose garment. " attributed to Jesus.

Chris

[Beren]

I have some cause for concern in my live. it started at the age of 12 when I first left my mothers in California to live with my father in Spokane Washington. I have been tormented for years at night when I try to sleep. it started as a feeling of an absolute horrifying evil presence that would fill the room, so horrifying that I couldn't scream or breath. sometimes it would hit the wall next to my head with the intensity of a hammer hitting (my bedroom was in the basement underground) and some times it would feel as if a thousand pounds of weight was holding me down. I spent most of my childhood and teenagehood after that sleeping with the light on out of fear of it coming. between the feelings and waking up in the middle of the night paralyzed I become so accustomed to it that I would try to ignore it, so in order to get itself recognized it would also shake the bed and hit my pillows at times. I dealt with this for years and at times it would go away for months only to come back again. I became sick about fifteen years ago which I attribute to the spiritual presence. after going to doctors and hospitals for years without being diagnosed, tested for thousands of diseases, I just gave up going. it became apparent that it was tied in with the cause because different women that I have been in relationships started to experience parts of the symptoms as well as being tormented by my ENTITY.I know that it has tried to keep me from progressing spiritually because I used to be pretty proficient at getting out of my body (astral projection) and for a long time it seemed like there was a block after I became sick and one night I distinctly remember feeling the presence of itinthe room while I was trying to get out just about four years ago and for te first time ever it attacked me physically, I remember laying there next to my ex tracy and feeling the presence of the entity and so I just ignored it. about thirty seconds later it felt as if an etheric form reached into my stomach and "for lack of a better word" tickled me with horrific intensity as if some form of electricity was balled up in my stomach and because of that night I still have a hard time sleeping n my back out of fear that it will attack me, like there is a muscle memory of fear every time I lay down on my back.
The reason that I'm writing this is because I would like to know what is going on with me. I used to be one of the most loving people that you would ever meet, I did have my faults like everyone else, but I genuinely cared for everyone, I used to have a huge heart and I don't know if it's between some of the really hard traumas that I have had in my life and being so sick and being in so much pain for so many years that I didn't even want to live anymore, but I want my heart back. not that it's completely gone (I'm not a robot) it's just that I'm very distant even from myself and when I feel like I'm going to cry, it won't come out. I have even tried lol.
another thing is,I feel lately as if I'm being visited by aliens. and they don't feel as if they are benevolent either. I looked up a list of symptoms of abductees and I have all of them out of like 80 symptoms accept for maybe three.


It seems to me that your DNA imprint has a value for this parasitic entity that haunts you.
Confront it. Openly take courage within your being and claim your power over yourself back. Forbid it to take your energy away and if it stalk you, you go ahead and stal it, follow it everywhere and burn the energy bridge that it uses against you.

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That is why this is a war for souls. They wish that humans be enslaved or dead. Why?
Because human kind are meant to inherit eternal blessings from Creator.

It's the other way they must make sure everyone is a human, a mortal man and does not gain spiritual insight.
The more human you are, the more weak you will become, what IS A MAN ? he is a mortal, is man of the forests, he is not, he was but he became more and more man.
So I can see man is regarded rather as an industrial being.
Man is flawed, it has flaws, it is corrupted with ease.

The whole point of this battle is to make sure you remain a mere mortal human and do not advance. So the label "human" is stamped on everyone, let's all be more human, lets all die.

The soul is not of mortals, so the man-human is of the world, but the soul is not of it. So by becoming 100% man you are of the world. Man the worldly being that returns to the earth once he is done, out of the dust he came, dust he becomes. What did Jesus say, do not become one with the world. Man will eat the soul, he is a soul eater, he will eat his self and his soul will become dust.

What is the fear of evolving beyond your human limitations, the soul not the man, evolution towards that, towards a being that can live on this earth yet preserve his soul sprite aspect, but the only problem that arises is that that being is no longer a human being.

So the question is, do you want to remain here or do something else, or do you want to continue to exist on coal, eat coal, get heated by coal, eat petrolium, heat with petrolium, consume petrolium, chop down forests to heat, eat lots of meat. It's only human, that is what a man does he will try to exist in this fashion in the future only to ensure his doom and die off before passing stupidity along to his next generation of children for others to do just the same from heritage.

It is good that you are aware of what`s going on behind the scenes. Continue empowering yourself with real knowledge and cut all energetic ties with them. They are parasites whom are interested in our life energy because they are cut from Source of life`s energy.

[greybeard]

Good to see you posting Beren.
Much love
Chris

[Beren]

Good to see you posting Beren.
Much love
Chris

Good to see you too brother! Seems like many are in the state of awareness and waiting. Just being and observing. Waking up is a process on personal level and on massive level.