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Mark (Star Mariner)
2nd December 2011, 17:08
Two Pandas named Tian Tian and Yang Guang, (meaning Sweetie and Sunshine) are set to be moved all the way to Edinburgh Zoo, Scotland, this weekend. They will be flown in a specially converted Boeing 777 from their habitat in the Ya'an reserve in China... Both animals are expected to remain as fixtures at Edinburgh zoo for a period of up to 10 years under the care of the Royal Zoological Society.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildlife/8931483/Giant-pandas-prepare-for-journey-to-Edinburgh-Zoo.html

That’s quite a change, isn’t it, from their natural environment in China to cold, grey Scotland?

There is surely a spiritual question here in regards to the ethics of this practise. They will no doubt provide children and adults alike with a fascinating glimpse of these elusive creatures, drawing crowds from far and wide.

But at what cost to the animals? If it were possible to psychically ‘ask’ them what is their wish – and I firmly believe that some talented individuals have this ability – what would they say? What would be their choice?

Now don’t get me wrong I’m not an animal activist, or campaigner, in fact I’m not really that keen on being around animals, even the domesticated variety. Some people dedicate their entire lives to the care and preservation of animals, and they do wonderful work, but that is not my energy. That said, the suffering of animals still really disturbs me!

Perhaps I am over-reacting. I understand that particularly Pandas are a rare and protected species, so they will be treated almost as royalty, but I wholly disagree with any structure at all that is designed wholly for the containment of animals.

Domesticated pets are fine of course, or geese, chickens and goats as part of a small-holding etc. But a good friend of mine keeps tree-frogs and geckos, both kept in small, glass tanks. Here I draw a line. To my mind they serve as little more than ‘exhibits’, or biological ornaments.

And zoos are the same. Even though I visited zoos when I was a child, and greatly enjoyed the experiences, I came to understand that it was unfair to ask the animal to suffer such restriction, such imprisonment, merely for my viewing pleasure.

In my opinion it is cruel, and unethical to confine any life-form in a box, tank, or cage just so we can gawp at them.

Am I missing a bigger picture here, am I indeed over-reacting?

onawah
2nd December 2011, 17:55
I don't think you are over reacting at all. Causing animals to suffer for our "entertainment" is very bad karma for the human race.

NeverMind
2nd December 2011, 18:32
In my opinion it is cruel, and unethical to confine any life-form in a box, tank, or cage just so we can gawp at them.

Or for ANY reason (except perhaps for their own protection in certain extreme situations).

I remember going to the zoo (a European zoo, not particularly horrid, compared to some others) and to a circus when I was eight or nine years old.
I only visited those two places once each.
I HATED the indignity of animals being locked in cages, of having to jump through hoops while being bossed around with a whip. I hated it! And my heart broke at the sight of those beautiful animals reduced like that.

I cannot believe that in this day and age such places still exist.
Nothing, no excuse, is valid.
(Except - alas - maybe their preservation where there is no other option.)

Mark (Star Mariner)
2nd December 2011, 19:49
Yes that's an absolute given regarding zoos and of course circuses which you touched on, and I'd neglected to mention, but in particular I was referring with that last statement to pets. With the exception of protection or care, I just think it's wrong to keep pets, of any kind, when they're confined in the likes of pens, cages, fish-tanks etc.

NeverMind
2nd December 2011, 19:59
I know, I just couldn't help "expanding" on it... :-)
Animals and their God-given rights are something very close to my heart.

But since you brought it up.... I am sure many reading this will dislike me for saying this, but I honestly cannot bear to see animals being dragged by their necks.
There are now, and there have been for many years, leashes that go around the torso of the animal, not around the neck.

If people only knew how unsightly they appear when they are walking around leading a free-born living creature by a chain around its neck.... God.

BTW, I do not have any pets. I never had any, except for a small parrot that found its way to our house when I was little, and never want to have any, for various reasons, the main two being, one, that I hate having anyone being dependent on me, and two, having my heart broken.

Mark (Star Mariner)
4th December 2011, 17:27
Yeh spot on.

If anyone ever wants to gain a new perspective of animal treatment/cruelty, it's very simple. Replace the image of the animal with a person - in fact a child, as a child is just as helpless against this kind of abuse and exploitation.

The lower life-forms of the animal kingdom have the same right to live, and to live freely, as we do. Perhaps i should remind myself of this the next time i swat a fly :/

STATIC
4th December 2011, 20:28
Man I love pandas.

Sucks that China's population is growing so dam fast that these gentle giants got no place left to go but a zoo.

:cry:

Orph
5th December 2011, 04:04
In my opinion it is cruel, and unethical to confine any life-form in a box, tank, or cage just so we can gawp at them.

Am I missing a bigger picture here, am I indeed over-reacting?If you're missing a bigger picture then so am I. Twice in my life I've been given a rabbit that someone else couldn't keep, or take care of. In both instances, the first thing I did when I got home was to let the rabbit out of it's cage, never to be put back in there again. (With the exception of taking it to the vet to get it's nails clipped).