Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear

[The One]

Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear

I tend to agree

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[Mark (Star Mariner)]

About time the sleeping, god-fearing masses were told the truth...

[The One]

About time the sleeping, god-fearing masses were told the truth...

Spot on my friend they are the masses and need to wake up

[toothpick]

There is actually one honest Priest,? holy cow.

[Jenci]

Excellent video.


Did you see the look on the interviewer's face at 0.08 ? He looks shocked.

Jeanette

[panopticon]

G'day all,

I don't know much about this bloke but I agree with the sentiment.
Religions that are successful rely on MCP.
They get promoted by powerful people as a means of control.

It's so obvious that I don't understand how people can not see it.

He is Bishop John Shelby Spong.
Website is here:
http://johnshelbyspong.com/

From his website:

I am not even a disillusioned former Christian, as some of my scholar-friends identify themselves. I am a believer who knows and loves the Bible deeply. But I also recognize that parts of it have been used to undergird prejudices and to mask violence.
Wikipedia Page is here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Shelby_Spong
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Words of Joy]

Pope John Paul II Was somewhat more nuanced opposed to a hell as in physical burning in eternity and such...
http://www.ovrlnd.com/Cults/poprejectshell.html

[pharoah21]

"The people don't need to be born again, they need to grow up!" As a former born again Christian, you have no idea how much I loved hearing this

[truth4me]

Another gem of a video The One. For 3 minutes and 17 seconds it packs a powerful punch for truth. Also to me it tells the difference between a spiritual based person and a religious based person.

At the end of each day in my quiet time,I do a review and think about did I say or do anything that would harm Mother Earth,the people I came in contact with,the animals and even plants.

I then work on my short comings not in the one bit thinking about "heaven and hell"..............

[STATIC]

Has this man been ousted by the Vatican yet?

Hope for humankind after all...

When the light of truth is shining in the arena of Hell Fire and Brimstone.

[Billy]

There is actually one honest Priest,? holy cow.

There are many Awake priests out there, It is just a shame that the corrupt and distorted ones are at the head of the churches making it more difficult for the awakened peacemakers to be heard.

May this priest be an inspiration to many more.

Peace

[panopticon]

G'day All,

Just a final thought from the J-man and Mo (http://www.jesusandmo.net/) that says it all:

http://cdn.nearlyfreespeech.net/jandmstatic/strips/2006-08-23.jpg
http://cdn.nearlyfreespeech.net/jandmstatic/strips/2006-08-23.jpg


Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Cjay]

I was ready to make a smartarse comment about the priest having seen Zeitgeist but that was before I watched the video and heard what he has to say. He seems more honest and believable than any other priest I have heard before.

[Carmody]

this tells you that the church is in error at the formation of the fundamental from which their message emerges.

thus every missive from that point must be considered to be tainted in and by in that error ridden fundamental.

Question authority----- as no real or correct being.... attempts authority over others.

[Jay]

What of those NDE (near death experiences) - some have testified to a ghastly reality which they consider to be hell. Just a thought. Here is just one of many testimonies: xRSjzY0s0SM

[Carmody]

What of those NDE (near death experiences) - some have testified to a ghastly reality which they consider to be hell. Just a thought. Here is just one of many testimonies:

Look deeper.

The is no end to the layers, there is no end to the answers, there is no end to the questions.

Do not allow the being within to 'take on' (become) the laziness of the body's designs. the desire of the body to be safe, requires 'hard' answers.

Do not mistake it's desires and emotions...as being fundamentals about the duality of life.


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Journey of Souls (http://books.google.ca/books?id=Psk6tJq1ybQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=michael+newton&hl=en&ei=hZXbToqkEIH30gGU0PmKDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false)

[Davy]

Finally,,,Someone gets it! This is exactly what I've been preaching! This priest speeks the Truth!

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[New Dawn]

A smart/good preist - who'd have thunk it!

[Mu2143]

Let me say this for people saying hell is not real !!!!

Then you belief demons don't exist and you consider this planet to be a PARADISE!!!!!!!!!!
I have words for you ......... YOU CAN KEEP IT..........................

There is a false reality pulled over your eyes that blinds you from seeying (the truth) the real world which is the spiritual realm!!!!
This reality your seeying is nothing but a holographic matrix in time ........ a illusion

[Leon]

Many many moons ago a Priest told me a similar story and much more...
the same Priest also taught us how to have out of body experiences...

Of course he was thrown out of the church...
I have not believed the church since then... this is now 30 years ago...

[Hypothetical]

I have heard this priest before in a radio interview stating this and I for one agreed with his statements and at the time very strongly so. However, I also do believe that you cannot have good without evil and that we each as individuals are manifesting what we see and experience within this matrix.

I have a close friend who has become possessed by some demonic power after playing with a ouija board. He is currently at this moment and has been for the last couple of days been undergoing an exorcism. I've witnessed more than enough of it and past events around him to be a total believer whether i wanted to be or not. It was his belief that allowed this to manifest and my friends and i are simply seeing the effects of his manifestations. He is fighting for his life (literally) and although I'm confident he will be ok. There's so much that's gone on that I have no choice other than to believe what is occurring for him the affects its having on the people helping him. I've taken precautions to protect myself and my family which luckily my wife is a level 2 Reiki practitioner so we've been doing some cleansing and protection.

Our abilities to manifest are more powerful than many of us will ever comprehend. The church knew this and introduced the concept of the devil knowing full well our manifesting would make it as real as anything else. So whether it existed prior to the church's creation is irrelevant.

cheers,
Karl

[WhiteFeather]

Thanks.... Great Thread! A Whistleblower in the Church, Nice Find! Is it all going to be exposed soon? Somethings Coming Peeps, Something Wonderful's Gonna Happen. You Feeling It, Yet?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XT6EEPg65g&feature=related

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

What of those NDE (near death experiences) - some have testified to a ghastly reality which they consider to be hell. Just a thought. Here is just one of many testimonies:

Look deeper.

The is no end to the layers, there is no end to the answers, there is no end to the questions.

Do not allow the being within to 'take on' (become) the laziness of the body's designs. the desire of the body to be safe, requires 'hard' answers.

Do not mistake it's desires and emotions...as being fundamentals about the duality of life.


0QDT58Q6Zxo

Journey of Souls (http://books.google.ca/books?id=Psk6tJq1ybQC&printsec=frontcover&dq=michael+newton&hl=en&ei=hZXbToqkEIH30gGU0PmKDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CFUQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q&f=false)


Carmody,
the thanks button was not enough.
That was extremely interesting. Thank you.
I just watched the entire interview.
Starting out as an atheist, he certainly changed direction in a huge way . :)

A quick look at the link to "Journey of Souls", I saw this quote in the beginning :-


You would know the hidden realm
where all souls dwell.
The journey´s way lies
through death´s misty fell.
Within this timeless passage
a guiding light does dance,
lost from conscious memory,
but visible in the trance.
M.N.


Looking forward to reading the rest.

And thank you too, The One, for your link.



Thanks.... Great Thread! A Whistleblower in the Church, Nice Find!


:becky:

[Mark (Star Mariner)]

^ Oh yes, Newton's books are a must read for everyone. Enjoy! (i've read them several times)

[shadowstalker]

Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear

I tend to agree

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Oh I am deff sending this thru FB and Twitter And any other place I can find..

[Godiam]

Hell is a state of mind!!............as is heaven!!
It all depends on what we choose to create!
As for religion, Any system of belief that asks you to search for truth outside yourself, Is a system of control!!

[161803398]

Actually, i think a lot of Priests would tell you the same thing. They are usually quite bright people. But, as is common, in these times, the propaganda machine stifles the truth.

[truth4me]

Actually, i think a lot of Priests would tell you the same thing. They are usually quite bright people. But, as is common, in these times, the propaganda machine stifles the truth.Good take on this thread. The "propaganda machine"........it works 24/7------ 365 that's for sure.....

[another bob]

"Several people have raised a question about a blanket statement I made in my books, and in a YouTube video, that "there is no hell." They have pointed out to me that several near-death experiencers (NDErs) report hellish environments. For example, Alexis writes in a YouTube comment:

"You said that hell does not exist in the mind of the source in your video. But a lot of people had a hellish experience. Can you help me to understand!! Please."

To be clear, what I learned as I merged into Source is that there is no place, or level of existence, where Source/God sends people for all eternity to suffer for their behavior.

First, I personally give the highest credibility to NDE accounts. In short, I believe NDErs truly experienced what they report.

Second, no one on the outside can even begin to truly evaluate someone else's interior, personal, spiritual experience. Those of us who have had near-death and afterlife experiences can empathize with our brethren. And our experiences may have similar features. But, just like there is no way to be certain you and I are seeing the exact same color when we call something "blue," there is no way to be certain we are truly on the "same wavelength" when we think we understand another's near-death experience. So, I could be completely wrong about hellish NDEs.

Third, I naturally view others' experiences in light of what I learned during my own. My understanding is that when I died, it was my time to leave human life permanently. I never reached a barrier beyond which I could not pass. I was never told I had to go back to human life. And, no one resuscitated me before I returned to Nanci's body voluntarily. Consequently, it is my understanding that what I went through is the full-blown process we follow after death to transition back to our natural spiritual state, and ultimately to merge back into Source. I experienced steps that are much deeper in the transition process than maybe 99% of near-death and afterlife experiencers. That gives me a perspective from which I can place others' accounts into a rough timeline on the transition process. In other words, I know that certain things change as you get deeper into the process because (a) that's what happened to me, and (b) Universal Knowledge informed me about the process.

I was given no Universal Knowledge about hellish NDEs during my afterlife experience. Anything I say about them is an extrapolation from what I remember of afterlife Knowledge on other topics. Based upon the accounts I have read or heard, my guess is the experiencer unknowingly, and unwittingly, manifested the hellish physical environment. Let me explain.

Universal Knowledge informed me that we have the ability, as parts of Source, to literally manifest what humans perceive to be reality. We are each capable of creating our own personal hell at any stage of our existence-during human life, or in what we call the afterlife. Our thoughts can create the same types of physical matter we see on Earth. And, while our manifestations may take time when we are in body, we manifest instantly once we leave the body. All it takes is attention and intention for us to manifest into physical reality (for us) what we truly, deeply believe. There are several stages in the after death transition process when we manifest what we expect, based on our beliefs. Eventually, though, Universal Knowledge enters our minds, informs us about manifesting, and allows us to see that we are creating the physical environments ourselves.

The hellish NDE accounts I have read occur, as Alexis notes, "before we see the light and not after." This is manifesting prime time. If we know we are dying, or are about to die, it is human nature to turn our thoughts to what we expect to happen after death. Someone who has been steeped in a religious tradition that believes in hell, and who truly, deeply believes in and fears hell, can easily manifest that belief into his/her own personal hellish physical reality when they leave the body. This manifested environment is most often created before the person sees the Light and feels Source's incredible love.

Rev. Howard Storm's hellish experience is a perfect example. He died in a hospital in excruciating pain, left his body, and manifested his own feared version of hell. He claims in his book that, at the time he died, he did not believe in heaven, hell, or God. But, his childhood Christian belief in hell rose to the surface in response to his fear of dying. He later saw the Light, and a Being of Light, when he started singing the children's song, "Jesus loves me. This I know." Rev. Storm believes Jesus saved him from hell. I believe switching his attention and intention from anguish to salvation broke the hellish manifestation. His experience thereafter progressed as the typical positive NDE. Mellen-Thomas Benedict's NDE started "in hell," as well. When he became aware that he was trapped in his own negative thoughts and fears, he shifted his attention and saw the Light. He states that he knew he had been manifesting the hellish experience himself.

Our understanding of what is happening to us during an NDE or afterlife experience depends upon (a) how far into the transition process we get, (b) our personal frame of reference (such as religious beliefs, education level, personality, etc.), and (c) our emotions at the time of death.

(a) For example, someone who just sees the Light, and then returns to the body, may very reasonably assume the Light is God. Those of us who entered into the Light realize it is not. Someone who enters into the Light, and goes no farther, may very reasonably believe he/she has merged into God. Those of us who actually merged into Source later in the process know being in the Light is not merger. Someone who gets back into body right after experiencing a hellish manifestation will be absolutely convinced that hell is real. Each person's understanding of what happened to him/her is limited by how far he/she went in the after-death process.

(b) Universal Knowledge explained that during the early stages of a near-death or afterlife experience, we still perceive everything the same way we did in the body, i.e., from the human perspective. It takes quite a bit of processing for that perspective to be worn off and replaced with what I call Light Being perspective. Thus, experiencers return absolutely convinced of their human-based interpretation of what they went through, if they did not get far enough in the transition process to gain the Light Being perspective. Physical environments are believed to be real-until the person's awareness is raised high enough to understand they are manifested. Spiritual beings appear with human-like bodies-until later in the transition when "knowings" allow the person to understand that bodies are not needed in a spiritual level of awareness. Etc.

(c) Sometimes a person who reports a hellish or frightening NDE experienced the same phenomena as those who report wonderful experiences. The difference is in the attitude of the experiencer. One person's dark, hellish, "nothingness" is another person's dark, comforting, supportive void. One person's tunnel of horrors sucking them out of life is another person's glorious trip through the universe.

Finally, a few of the frightening accounts I have read were penned by people who did not claim to have died. According to their own accounts, the experiences happened when they were asleep, blacked out, or overdosed on drugs. I am not qualified to comment on what goes on in those altered states of consciousness."

~Nanci Danison


Blessings!

[Mu2143]

HELL IS REAL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X67mO5i7VTk&noredirect=1

[Mu2143]

I Just want to add a example of how people react to the truth (most peopel react in fear).
Fear is not something outside of you ,but inside of you. When you have the spirit of fear in you then your reaction is denial.

How would some one reacted if you told them (still a sleep) the truth about the NWO and how the world is being runned.

Most people go in to denail and say its a conspiracy theory!!!
give them a confort zone, this only last untill it hits them.

The question is when it hits them is it then to late?

[13th Warrior]

To be clear, what I learned as I merged into Source is that there is no place, or level of existence, where Source/God sends people for all eternity to suffer for their behavior.

This seems to be the most logical.

Does hell exist; maybe? Would you have to spend eternity there; probably not?

How do you know you are in hell; do they have a sign there that says welcome to hell?

[VaughnB]

O.K. We've got the controllers and the followers since time began.


Is there a pattern here?
Do people just like to be led around? Are we all just sheep, some cattle on a farm?
Why do we swallow all the garbage, the rhetoric, and just role over? Time and time again.
Is this our lot, to go through endless cycles of false emancipation, yet remain subjugated?

Is there a point in our existence when humanity can exist without massive governmental systems, that greed and selfishness can be eradicated, autonomous cooperative communities can be established without fear of attack from the neighboring tribes? Are we doomed to some form of overriding controller, Big Brother, that gives us the illusion of freedom in a safe, well-fed, warm cage? Whereby we maintain conformity by self-indoctrinated values, which are not our values at all.

[Mu2143]

To be clear, what I learned as I merged into Source is that there is no place, or level of existence, where Source/God sends people for all eternity to suffer for their behavior.

This seems to be the most logical.

Does hell exist; maybe? Would you have to spend eternity there; probably not?

How do you know you are in hell; do they have a sign there that says welcome to hell?

Here is the logic most people still think backwards

This is a real logic explaintion; Your actions is ether out of love or not at all and since love is what god is a state of being called the "I AM" the end results of your action is where you end up .

(Energy remember we are a being of energy) what you put out is around you and if your not putting out love then your not in that state then your not in heaven. Heaving is inside of you or not. It is not a sign it says hell it is a state

Look it at it this way we are a holographic matrix in time and this is going to end, but when it ends the product of you recreating your self over time needs to be like GOD. If you keep refusing to become like him how do you think the end product will going to look like ...... he is not going to force any of us to make the choice who we going to serve!!!

Your currently work in progress by freewill ---the fork in the road---

[DeDukshyn]

We are currently in "Hell"

"Hell" as Jesus referred to is a state of mind - the state of mind when ego is the prime driving influence. This causes us to make decision solely based on fear (even most of the ones you think are doing out of love is a trick - it's fear) and decisions based on fear are decisions based from the past. This stalls humanity's spiritual "evolution" as we perpetually make decisions and resultant actions based on the PAST. Never creating new for the future out of love for creation. This condition was planted into our minds by the same lines of people who have (now dwindling) power over most affairs today. They are from ancient lines of (for lack of a better term) powerful Wizards and Witches (NOT the elite you are thinking of - higher). Masters of illusion, if you will. They planted their illusion into an entire collective consciousness of the human species. This was the final nail in the process of separation form Source as we Fell from Grace. Humanity has been under this "spell" of illusion ever since and this is what we must wake up from - this is what awakening means. Awakening for some means to start to see that we are lied to - that is the tiniest preliminary step towards actual "awakening", as true awaking is awakening entirely from the spell of matter.

The New Age Movement was supposed to help facilitate this transition, but it has been hijacked and now means everything from ascension by alien UFO to "understanding that we are lied to" -- both insignificant compared to what awakening really is. This is the Elite's version of "New Age" I assure you - like everything threatening to them - they hijack it and turn it into a money making machine wherever possible.

When humanity does "properly" awaken. Everything changes - and instantly -- and I mean everything. I have glimpsed the possibilities -- if only you all knew what you really are. This is why they keep us "asleep" to the spell of matter - they know what we are, and what will happen if we actually awaken collectively. Almost no one does. We are a single being of unimaginable powers of creation.

I wish I had proof. ;) But this is a valid interpretation of the human condition.

EDIT: and yes ... the concept that one might "go to hell" if they are "bad" is an invention of the Church. "Bad" is not even a real concept - it is a judgement. It's purpose is two-fold 1) create guilt and fear in the victim's daily life, and 2) Better control of the masses.

[another bob]

How do you know you are in hell

any sense of separation from Source



do they have a sign there that says welcome to hell?

it's a mirror


Blessings!

[East Sun]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

[DeDukshyn]

^ Oh yes, Newton's books are a must read for everyone. Enjoy! (i've read them several times)

Triple endorsed ;)

[Carmody]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

[lightseeker]

Years ago, when I was 19 I entered a Catholic Seminary to study to become a priest, my intentions were good believing I had a calling to serve god. I learned a great deal within the first year of theology including the idea of hell as a device to control people and keep them on the straight and narrow and living in fear instead of love. There were many other teachings that I also learned that were equally not in line with what I was taught growing up in the Catholic faith. These revelations were a wake up call to me; i felt betrayed and lied to. I left the seminary, but before doing so at the request of the Rector who asked why I was leaving. I told him simply that what the church was teaching was a lie and that I was no longer a member of the Catholic church. He was surprised to say the least. I packed my belongings and left for home. I have always continue my search for truth, and did find many of the answers I was searching for and am at peace today. But I can assure none of those answers came from any religion that I am aware of. The answers came from within myself through meditation and prayer. Now at 62 years old I continue to meditate and pray daily. I have come to learn that I am an spiritual being who happens to be in a physical body, and that I cannot die because I was never born. I have always existed, as have we all within ONENESS.

[skyflower]

It's so refreshing to hear someone wearing the "robe" tell it like it is.
Heaven and hell was very real to me growing up in the church. When I "woke up", the first thing I discarded was the heaven and hell that awaited us at the end of our days.
Why? because I could see that hell was pretty much up and running right here, right now. So is heaven.
I wake from a dream to wake to another dream to wake to another dream. *sigh*

[another bob]

Years ago, when I was 19 I entered a Catholic Seminary to study to become a priest, my intentions were good believing I had a calling to serve god.

Greetings, Friend!

I entered at 13, spent the next 7 years gradually seeing through the toxic charade, dropped out and became a hermit living by a river in the high Sierras, cleasing the system of the previous adventure, and not looking back. At the heart's behest, I plunged ahead, surveying the world's various belief systems first hand (including a 3 year stint in a Zen Buddhist monastery). Like you, I'm now 62. Looking back on the whole business, it's seems like a vague dream, populated by dream characters. From what I've learned, there is one thing that does matter, and it's the only thing that ever really did: the love that we make on the way.

Blessings!

[another bob]

I wake from a dream to wake to another dream to wake to another dream. *sigh*

http://i.pbase.com/g6/79/738779/2/76393081.jPrY6YMv.jpg

Blessings!

[DeDukshyn]

I wake from a dream to wake to another dream to wake to another dream. *sigh*

http://i.pbase.com/g6/79/738779/2/76393081.jPrY6YMv.jpg

Blessings!

Never really noticed him before today ... but this bob has got it down! Reflect on his posts ... they are valuable far beyond the words one interprets. ;)
I'm eying a candidate here for the next "Greybeard Award" (an award I made that points out particular "gems" of posts amongst a thread)

[johnf]

This is a very interesting thread to be reading since earlier today I got news that my Grandmother had been in a coma since Sunday, and a few hours later was told that she died.
She was 103 years old and had been in intensive care a few times this last year, so it was not a shock, and the length of her life was impressive.
She was Catholic as were both of my parents, and I was indoctrinated into that faith with a vengeance. I grew up very fearful, guilt ridden and convinced I was a bad person. I wasn't at all an angel
so I got the full benefit of the false beliefs because of my contrary actions. When I was seventeen I had a very frightening lsd trip, I don't clearly remember praying, but I think I asked for help.
Very abruptly I left my body, and the physical plane and found myself in a completely non-physical place. Even the idea of matter or the universe was not present , I get the idea that the two ideas are like two poles of a magnet, much like the description of darkness that the plane crash survivor describes in one of the videos above. Anyway I was in the center of the source of all that is and was glad that I had allways been there, and in hindsight i believe that the "real me" has allways been there. To me that means that if a person creates a hell like situation in an afterlife realm, that eternal part of them is there to appeal to and to pull them out if there is geniune remorse and commitment to forgive and move on. I do think that the eternal nature of hell is an obvious fabrication of both religions and governments working together to produce overpowering control systems for the population. Control through fear.
I forgot about the experience shortly afterward, I think mainly because I had no belief system that could help me grasp what had happened . Well right after that experience I started reading books on eastern philosophy, shamanism, as well as books on psychedelic experiences, and eventually formed a new spiritual perspective where I was ready to remember more about the experience. I was 34 I believe when I started reading the course in miracles, and the book started bringing up ideas that I had experienced on that night long ago. I had a friend sit in front of me and read a certain passage that emphasizes that we can let go of the false self and the illusory world and while listening to him I had a full blown repeat of the experience without any drugs to kick it off. So this time when i came back I had an understanding ear to tell my story to, and was able to put a lot more of the experience into words and trust what I saw then as something real.

I have since found this document that describes where I went, plus many other planes of existence that are taught in buddhism
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sagga/loka.html
Where I went was probably 28-29. Having spent so much time looking for answer in religious texts, I find number 14 to be very helpful in letting go of the standard ideas and emotions around God, and the fear of God that is so useful to those who would own and control others. Just as many humans experience delusions of thier superiority to others, and feel like there is nothing higher than them, there are beings on a finer physical plane, that are deluded into thinking that they own the physical universe, and the beings in it. And it has three aspects in one just like the Judeo-Christian God as well as the hindu.

What I have trouble with though is the lack of intermediate experiences, as well as a lot of difficulty fitting in in society, and having confidence in doing things here. After having my second experience triggered by listening to that particular passage of A course in miracles, within an hour or so I got really disoriented, and anxious, with a lot of similar feelings to the lsd experience that triggered the first episode. I still go through stuff like that on a daily basis and it seems to have been increasing in the last few years, with some periods of peace her and there. It has really picked up pace since the beggining of the ninth wave of the mayan calender. Reading the various descriptions of ascension symptoms helps me calm down a lot so I revisit those web pages from time to time. I think that having an experience where one jumps that high up can activate issues from areas that are skipped so I am not surprised I have had it rough most of my life. I don't think that my socialization process as a child was the same as most peoples, it was fairly harsh compared to many of my friends but, I think i rejected many ideas that I was taught, and allways had a part of me that knew that most of what people think is beliefs not reality. So I continue to try to really land on this planet and feel more at home while I am still here but I find it tough. Would like to here any similar tales to mine if they are out there.

[another bob]

So I continue to try to really land on this planet and feel more at home while I am still here but I find it tough. Would like to here any similar tales to mine if they are out there.

Greetings, Friend!

Going it on one's own can be really challenging at certain stages along the way, and that's when a qualified teacher/guide can be of service. Although difficult to find these days, if one puts their heart and soul into a persistent, selfless, and sincere intention, the right helper will appear. Since you seem of a Buddhist leaning, perhaps surveying your area's Dharma centers for a good guide would further your efforts at embodiment here on earth? Oregon is well-represented in that regard, from what I've heard.

Blessings!

[johnf]

Thanks Bob, I shall look into that.

[Paladin14]

Priest says Hell is an invention of the church to control people with fear

I tend to agree

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Oh I am deff sending this thru FB and Twitter And any other place I can find..

I'm going to share the Hell out of this...

[Mu2143]

People say fire can't burn spirit blabla !!
and forget that fire is a holograpic projection of the spirit and when you burn some thing with it, it becomes less.

RAWFOOD contains that energy of love and when you cook it its gone.

That means fire is the expresion of the spirit without love, so thats how your going feel when there is no love in you. Unless your being restored and healed by another spirit who is, your stuck in that state!! So long your in a body and get right in alinement with god your one your way !!

Duality is a conditions thats going to end!!!
no more half demonic and half love (no more Doing good and bad!)

Your going to look like that fire in the spirit if you have no love in you thats is what reality is

there are 3 types of groups out there (The BAD, the GOOD and the UGLY) guess who we are the UGLY (Neither good or bad)

[Mu2143]

Programmed For Hell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-sbiquCFgE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-sbiquCFgE

The Lord Mourns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avriGfXDZQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7avriGfXDZQ

[13th Warrior]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

I felt like i was in Venice for a minute there...thanks!

[East Sun]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

Never did hear of him. That's a strange looking accordion he's playing. I don't understand his music.
My playing might be hell to him.
I wonder if I can bring my accordion into Heaven.

I promise to stay away from the harps on a remote cloud.

[WhiteFeather]

Cool Vintage Tune By AC/DC w/Bon Scott


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fWw3El7VHc

[Carmody]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

Never did hear of him. That's a strange looking accordion he's playing. I don't understand his music.
My playing might be hell to him.
I wonder if I can bring my accordion into Heaven.

I promise to stay away from the harps on a remote cloud.

That is an Argentinean bandoneón. Astor is from Argentina, and the story just gets stranger from there out.....

Apparently, The bandoneón makes an accordion look like a walk in the park, regarding the playing of it.

here's Astor explaining why. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30YkkYX9Eo)

so..if an accordion player makes it to hell, they give them a bandoneón.

[modwiz]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

Never did hear of him. That's a strange looking accordion he's playing. I don't understand his music.
My playing might be hell to him.
I wonder if I can bring my accordion into Heaven.

I promise to stay away from the harps on a remote cloud.

that is an Argentinean Bandeleon. Astor is from Argentina, and the story just gets stranger from there out.....

OK. I'm intrigued. Any leads for us to follow?

[Carmody]

OK. I'm intrigued. Any leads for us to follow?


I just edited my post to reflect that. they were used in Argentina to play the, at the time... outlawed 'tango'. Which was actually a near life and death affair. And.... to make music in the bordellos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandone%C3%B3n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAPf_ccobc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCBqoheQN8&feature=related

[modwiz]

OK. I'm intrigued. Any leads for us to follow?


I just edited my post to reflect that. they were used in Argentina to play the, at the time... outlawed 'tango'. Which was actually a near life and death affair. And.... to make music in the bordellos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandone%C3%B3n

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAPf_ccobc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSCBqoheQN8&feature=related

I loved the musical piece and, as a musician, the layout of the instrument could be construed as hellish indeed. Especially the bisonoric version of the instrument. I like your sense of humor. Must be my Aquarius/Uranian thing.

[East Sun]

13th Warrior,


Yes. They say "Welcome to hell, here's your accordion." So with everyone trying to play at

the same time it is hell.

Actually, I play an accordion and it's heavenly. Trying to play the harp is hellish. lol.


There is no physical burning hell. But there are many kinds of hell here on Earth as can be seen any day.

I'm sure you've heard of Astor Piazzolla (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmP4bEJfOg), then.

Never did hear of him. That's a strange looking accordion he's playing. I don't understand his music.
My playing might be hell to him.
I wonder if I can bring my accordion into Heaven.

I promise to stay away from the harps on a remote cloud.

That is an Argentinean bandoneón. Astor is from Argentina, and the story just gets stranger from there out.....

Apparently, The bandoneón makes an accordion look like a walk in the park, regarding the playing of it.

here's Astor explaining why. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x30YkkYX9Eo)

so..if an accordion player makes it to hell, they give them a bandoneón.

And in Hell's kitchen, where the really bad guys are they have..........Bagpipes.
I'm going to be good from now on .... well after the new year.

[Angushar]

Great post!!