Un-Fooling Ourselves

[Tony]

I believe that this world is being orchestrated by the use of social engineering.
Part of this reprograming is to misdirect consciousness.
This could come under the heading of redirecting spirituality into a pseudo-feel-good lifestyle.
I've noticed that an effective way to get through to people is to make them feel good about themselves: this feeling good is OK when everything is going well, but when it's not, people tend to fall apart.

If consciousness can be controlled, then the mind can be controlled.
This is a vital observation: we do need to be more critical.
We have two problems: one is that we are fooling ourselves, and the other is being fooled by others.

I know I sound as if I am continually hitting you over the head with this, but it is my personal view that it is of utmost importance!

Un-Fooling Ourselves

All sentient beings have consciousness
(a sentient being is a being that is not yet enlightened).
It does not matter in which dimension we reside:
we all rely on consciousness, at some level.
This consciousness is ego-centered.
Ego-centered is believing in a mental image of oneself,
which is driven by habitual patterning, called karma.
“This is me, this is how I am, this is real.”
It is a modified coating, covering our true nature.

There are beings who know how to help us maintain
this modified aspect of our precious mental self-image,
either consciously or unconsciously.
Their influences are all around us,
keeping us imprisoned and ignorant of our true nature.
They exploit our own arrogance and guilt to distract us
from resting in our true nature.

If you can get upset at being called words such as arrogant,
then you are still maintaining a mental self image.
The only way to go beyond this ordinary consciousness
is to investigate, deep deep within.
This is not as easy as you may think - it takes practice!
We all need help in this matter.

It is all too easy to fool oneself.
This is precisely what ancient teachings are all about - liberation!
These ancient teachings are fully aware of suffering and its causes.

As the levels of consciousness refine, mindfulness has to be more acute.
Mindfulness is remembering to be aware of clinging to appearances.
Those who know how to modify our attention work constantly to keep us
clinging to distractions.

Everyone around us is fooling themselves, and being fooled!
Do not be fooled into not using your mind!
If you don't use it, someone else will!

The mind has been fooled for a very long time.
Waking up is going beyond all appearances of the mind and body.

When you have gone beyond the subtlest level of consciousness,
then you may have a glimpse of wakefulness - but it will not be constant.
That takes much practice,and one must also break down one's habitual patterning (karma).

Stop re-acting!
Break out of this vicious cycle of existence!

“All the world's a stage,

And all the men and women merely players.”
We all conform at some level, even when we are not wanting to conform.
We all like to appear to know!
To get out of the Truman show...stop re-acting.

In conforming, one is following the order, the 'new word order.'
Beware that the script may be changed, but it is still the same old play...

The New Word Order....I am light. I am love, and I know.

Do not be fooled.
In truth, you are light, you are love and you do know.
But what is it that is light?
What is it that loves?
And what is that knows?

This light, love and knowing is still partial.
It is still a mental concept, a trick to distract.
Distractions are obstructions to pure being.

There is much rich manure to work with.
All we have to do is dig...deep!

Know thyself to be pure luminosity.

Meditation is merely the continuity of that realisation.
Insight is looking inward, giving rise to spontaneous presence.
This takes years of practice: time in this body is incredibly precious.

Find the simplest solution.
Simple purity within, expressing complexity in outer manifestations
to benefit others, as we are not all one - but near enough!

If you do not know the goal, how do you know where to go?
If the the goal is vague, the journey will be vague.

Consciousness can be fooled.
Essence cannot be fooled.
When we say “I know, I know”, we are fooling ourself, and returning to the feelgood factor.
This is ordinary consciousness maintaining its self-image.

Pure essence knows.
Consciousness turns this knowing into “I know”.
“I" knowing 'something” is duality.
It takes the attention away from pure perception.

You did not choose to come here.
Your karma brought you here.
That is our driving force: karmically collected ignorance,
which we maintain through the ego clinging to our ideas and emotions.

If you meet with any precious teachings on liberation,
your good karma has brought you there, to continue your practice.

First realise your true nature, and then work for the benefit of others.
That is unconditional love.
That unconditional love goes beyond good and evil.
It is the yoga of one taste.
Working for the benefit of others, goes beyond your own benefit and aggrandisement.
This altruistic motivation is an antidote to self-cherishing ego-clinging.
It is a safeguard.
Compassion takes the attention off oneself and on to another.

The New Word Order will tell you that all there is, is love.
However, there is my love, and there is love.
There is my knowing, and there is knowing.
If it is to make me feel good, then I will feel better than others.
That is called pride!

The negative emotions are of value, if they can be caught at a very subtle level.
They are, in fact, pure wisdoms that have been distorted.

Repeating information from books is nothing like the real thing.
That's what philosophers do.
Even after being shown the true nature of one's mind, if one does not
practise to attain stability, it will remain just a mental image.

Why are we here?
We have a choice.
We can practise un-fooling ourselves,
or we can go on fooling ourselves.

If we take the easy option and merely think that we already know everything
and therefore need do nothing,
then we will not find the worm of nourishment buried below the surface!

It is beneficial to have the altruistic wish to realise unconditional love, which is the way of the bodhisattva – but this is only truly realised at the end of one's training. Before that, it is merely a concept – a worthwhile one, but still a concept.

Bodhisattva prayer:
"To establish every sentient being
In numbers vast as space, in the state of enlightenment,
May I realise self-knowing awareness
Through the instruction of the precious teachings.

May whatever merit I have accumulated
Be for the benefit of all sentient beings
That they may attain enlightenment.

May all sentient beings find happiness,
And the causes of happiness.
May they be free from suffering,
And the causes of suffering.
May they be free from attachment to those far and near,
And remain in great equanimity"

Tony

[aranuk]

Hi Tony are you back home from your SA tour yet? Can you please elaborate on what you said about karma...".You did not choose to come here.
Your karma brought you here."

Stan

[Mark]

Beautifully stated as always Pie, thank you for the timely and salient reminder. Recognizing the difference between an intellectual knowing and an innate, conscious knowing is sometimes difficult. It involves the process of thinking, rather than doing. Knowing the concept and invoking it often takes the place of really doing too many times.. The simplicity of your remonstrations alongside the purity of the truth evoked is humbling.

[vibrations]

Beautifully exposed. I was just enjoying. Thank you for so bright ideas.

[crested-duck]

Tony I'm looking forward to reading your reply to Stan's question so I may better understand also!

[modwiz]

Tony I'm looking forward to reading your reply to Stan's question so I may better understand also!

For those who are unaware of this dynamic in our incarnational cycling, the answer from Tony should prove empowering. He is very good at these things.

[mosquito]

Timely words brother Pie !!;)

[Davidallany]

Tony, I fear that your words will remain mere concepts to the uninitiated. It's like you said, karma. Without the presence of a teacher, knowledge will be misused to further add power and delusion to the ego. The precious dharma must be seeked, not offered. Or the value Is at risk of degredation in the wrong hands.

[noprophet]

Excellent post Tony.

Dion Fortune used to say she did not believe there was a such thing as an incarnate master.

For incarnating removed you from mastery of awareness.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Hi Tony, great teachings, as usual.

Lots to contemplate.
Thanks

[Ineffable Hitchhiker]

Tony, I fear that your words will remain mere concepts to the uninitiated. It's like you said, karma. Without the presence of a teacher, knowledge will be misused to further add power and delusion to the ego. The precious dharma must be seeked, not offered. Or the value Is at risk of degredation in the wrong hands.

“A leader is best
When people barely know he exists.
Of a good leader, who talks little,
When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,
They will say, “We did this ourselves.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

:)


Thank you for popping in Tony.
What a great reminder.




You did not choose to come here.
Your karma brought you here.
That is our driving force: karmically collected ignorance,
which we maintain through the ego clinging to our ideas and emotions.

If you meet with any precious teachings on liberation,
your good karma has brought you there, to continue your practice.

First realise your true nature, and then work for the benefit of others.
That is unconditional love.
That unconditional love goes beyond good and evil.
It is the yoga of one taste.
Working for the benefit of others, goes beyond your own benefit and aggrandisement.
This altruistic motivation is an antidote to self-cherishing ego-clinging.
It is a safeguard.
Compassion takes the attention off oneself and on to another.



"That is our driving force: karmically collected ignorance,
which we maintain through the ego clinging to our ideas and emotions."

Yes!

We all have ego fixations. We carry them around with us every day. Guilty as charged. It´s a "heavy load". Working on it. :becky:
Hanging onto fixed ideas of who I am am, is the "baggage" that makes moving forward difficult.
The way that I have understood "Un-fooling Ourselves" is :-
A mind that isn´t aware, reacts.
A mind that is relatively aware, will recognise the game that is being played.
A mind that rests in absolute awareness has no need in playing any games.

[Davidallany]

A leader is best When people barely know he exists.
Of a good leader, who talks little,
When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,
They will say, “We did this ourselves.”
― Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

Thank you.


"Sound old rulers, it is said,
Left people to themselves, instead
Of wanting to teach everything
And start the people arguing.
With mere instruction in command,
So that people understand
Less than they know, woe is the land;
But happy the land that is ordered so
That they understand more than they know.
For everyone's good this double key
Locks and unlocks equally.
If modern man would use it, he
Could find old wisdom in his heart
And clear his vision enough to see
From start to finish and finish to start
The circle rounding perfectly"
Lao Tzu

[norman]

I read the OP and wanted to challenge one aspect of it. It leaped out at me as being completely different to everything else stated.

I scrolled down and there were several others interested in the very same aspect.

There are "givens" in every belief system I've encountered. Some of my favourites are very primitive and very laughable. I may even conclude sometime that the laughter is better than the mystic. I may even find sometime that there are levels where our most mystic "givens" are very laughable too.

I named my own daughter "Karma". I don't even know why. How mystic is that?

[Cjay]

Sometimes I think too much. Sometimes I don't think enough.
Sometimes I choose to simply be in the moment.

Sometimes I tell myself it's all ok, even though I know it's not all ok.
Then I ask myself, "what can I learn from this?"
Then I ask the universe, "are you trying to teach me something?"

Then I go and do something stupid or clever or do nothing at all.

[Carmody]

More than anything, I think it comes down to the near impossibility of bringing a sensibility or semblance of life as a plasma based dimensional being of great interconnectivity and flow, into a different dimensional space as a '3d time based world/universe'..and trying to bring that 'other reality' into this place..with as little convoluted change as is possible.

And how near impossible this task is, regarding find a way to get the interconnectivity of the given individuals to be high enough to be separate individuals..but still connected.

To have aspects of a hive like connection but to retain full individuality. The public or external schism seems to be occurring between those two extremes.

This 3d universe, this place of time based lattice structure matter and 'reality' is not favorable to that sort of 'edifice of self awareness' which is the normal state of affairs... in such another dimension, which is where our larger self hails from.

I think that it is important to understand some of this -as aspects go- when contemplating the '3d time/matter based world' reasons for such a need for the proper 'centering of the self', which Tony is trying to get across, here.

We're all like a fish out of water here, trying to find our way. in an established functional system of intelligent being generation and regeneration, this sort of thing would not be evident.

We'd be beyond such things.

And we know, via our dimensional awareness of other spaces and other realities that indeed, we are. On that level, we are far more evolved, in some fundamental ways. Our realization of connection to the universe and all -is more evolved. But... our external 3d body connections are quite silent, in our 3d estimations and base awareness. Schism.

We suffer greatly in this schism of this 3d reality, where we are left to figure out things blindly, in a situation where most of our capacity ---is left behind.

However, there is a door to that understanding and that capacity, and it is inside of us. It is not external.

The reason it is internal... is that the very reason for this place to exist and this duality being (that we each are) to be in it, originates in the internal, not the external.

The schism is that the body, the envoy of the 'waking' awareness in this space -is designed to externalize, whereas the being inside.. is designed to internalize and correct before reaching outward. So the problem erupts when the externalization becomes the reflection of the internalization. And Vice Versa. (you try to fix external -to you- issues via external application. whereas the being inside tries to fix internal issues by internalizing. The two constantly make errors in judgment and application - based on each other's confusion in data and connectivity)

Realize the disconnect ...and then the ego may be stilled so the body does not run around in repetitive incorrect circles. (the ego is partially a reflection of the originator, the internal..and the 'duality-design' originates from the internal so..there is a need to go to the headwaters of the internal.... to fix the external error)

In this stilling of the external body-self... the owner of the edifice or body, the internal being... can finally correct the errors of contemplation ---and execution of actions.

Not perfectly stated, but hopefully you get the idea. Basically, you are thrown into these waters..but you have to teach yourself how to swim.

[Tony]

Hi Tony are you back home from your SA tour yet? Can you please elaborate on what you said about karma...".You did not choose to come here.
Your karma brought you here."

Stan

Hello Stan

The only people that I know of who can make a conscious decision to come back here are certain lamas called tulkus (although there could be others) - they leave a letter before they die, indicating where and when they will be reborn, and when they are "found", they undergo rigorous tests. They are designated a number – The Dalai Lama is the 14th – and in the Bon tradition, I believe there is someone who is the 30th! I have heard some tulkus say that they do not remember their previous incarnations, but they are 'in tune with' what their previous incarnation was engaged in.

I am totally ignorant of my past lives (I can't even remember what colour socks I wore yesterday!) - personally, I don't find it relevant because one can notice within oneself certain traits and abilities which seem to be second nature. Many accomplished practitioners (however, not yet realised) make prayers to be born in other realms to continue their practice.

There are nine levels of bodhisattvas, the tenth level being enlightenment, so you can see that there is much to go through! In my own ignorance, I am just off street level (I hope...!).

And yes, we are still in Ecuador – back in the UK in a week.

All the best
Tony

[Jay]

Part of this reprogramming is to misdirect consciousness. This could come under the heading of redirecting spirituality into a pseudo-feel-good lifestyle.
..Tony
I suspect that the "Positive Thinking" movement in spite of the philosophy's merits.. as well as the "Prosperity Doctrine" of so-called newborn Christians are part of the same goal - i.e. to misdirect consciousness.
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[Aetheric Traveler]

Is there a difference between incarnating and embodiment?

I have never read Dion Fortune. I can't comment on her specifically.

I have, however, read some of the "I AM" Discourses by Saint Germaine, the Sai Baba material. Me personally, I then re-interpreted the parts of the New Testament that show to me there is a definite Mind-Consciousness war against humanity being perpetrated by those locked into lower levels of consciousness who want to enslave others there as well. Joshua ben Joseph, who became known as Jesus the Christ was a person of human origin who became an Adept, then, a Master, then an Ascended Master capable of coming and going in and out of physical form at will.

As I understand the Adept/Master/Ascended Master/Avatar concepts (what little a very inexperienced person such as myself can understand), it appears to me that there exists the ability in all physical-corporeal beings to transcend material embodiment once certain levels of mastery are attained. It seems that this is what Jesus tried to teach, but you will only find fragments of this knowledge left in the Bible.

To say that there are no Masters incarnate or incarnate masters suggests to me a very limited understanding of the real basis of human incarnate existence which (IMO) is to emody corporeally to experience the hidden parts of our souls that will lower our vibrations and hinder our ability to move in and out of any consciousness we desire, physical or otherwise. The level of compassion achieved by an Ascended Master as I have understood it, is such that it is associated with a great desire to help others, and that means lowering one's elevated cosmic vibratory state down to a level of physical embodiment to be "Present" for those locked in the physical forms for the benefit of assisting them in their "liberation and self-realization" that they are light, they are capable of becoming Ascended Masters, and that they are only limited to this "crude matter (Yoda's words)" by their lack of understanding and practice of "Being In-Light-and-Meant" or as some of my friends say Being At-One-ment.

I guess would put a caveat on Dion Fortune's statement such that there are no Ascended Masters who are locked into physical incarnate forms, dispossesed of the ability to de-atomize their corporeal form bodies at will and return to the Essence of Essence Existence from which they find so much more pleasant. It has been suggested in the readings I've enjoyed that when they "materialize", that it's not an incarnation, but a lowering of their vibration down to our level just to be able to communicate and assist us. This lowering is distasteful to them, but out of sacrifice, love and compassion, coupled with the desire to help others, they tolerate this distasteful "materialized state" only long enough to accomplish their task, and then return to their higher vibration, which to our eyes, looks like a de-materialization.

In closing, I enjoyed Tony's comments and would say that the explanation/comparison/opining I have shared above hopefully describes the state of being that one can enjoy when the things Tony stated are practiced and achieved on a regular basis. It's no wonder then that the authorities killed Jesus and his followers when they learned how to begin doing the things he did. They wouldn't need to use money, doctors, food production and consumption, and no one could govern or lord power over them. Any of them who became Ascended Masters would certainly not be "killable". The modern version is happening today with Billions of People, mass communication, worldwide potential for awareness changes and the greatest potential of a spiritual/cosmic "Critical Mass" jumping point in the written history of the world (or at least what we know of it). No wonder the New World Order folks are pulling out all the big guns.

Love and Light,
AT

[Aetheric Traveler]

"I am Spartacus and I brought you here".

Karma is the place we left before getting here.

So don't order the lamb if you see it on the menu. It could be your mother.

Wink, Wink ;>) ;>)

[Jenci]

You perceive yourself to be your thoughts, your feelings, your ideas, your beliefs, your rights, your wrongs, your hurts, your joys, your pain, your fears, your successes, your failures.....

But you are fooling yourself - these are just merely clouds. Coming and going. Impermanent.

You are the sky. Unchanging and infinite in which all the clouds are perceived, yet unaffected by all.

Thoughts and feelings come and go.
Yet I remain.
Know this I.

Jeanette


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmEhX5Ourzw

[Carmody]

More than anything, I think it comes down to the near impossibility of bringing a sensibility or semblance of life as a plasma based dimensional being of great interconnectivity and flow, into a different dimensional space as a '3d time based world/universe'..and trying to bring that 'other reality' into this place..with as little convoluted change as is possible.

And how near impossible this task is, regarding find a way to get the interconnectivity of the given individuals to be high enough to be separate individuals..but still connected.



To 'ergo' ('reductio ad finem') a bit further..there can be no external nightmare/confusion, without the issue of internal nightmare/confusion.

One cannot exist without the other.

Since it all originates in the internal....where would the given being need to go ----to fix it?

[ktlight]

Hi pie'n'eal, Tony, you said
"However, there is my love, and there is love.
There is my knowing, and there is knowing."

Would the Universe not rather be just love and just knowing.

[greybeard]

We have to start from where we think are.
Thats in the illusion, thats fooling ourselves.
The illusion is not true except in our mind.
Ultimately there is no individual person.
In the illusion there are fragments of the One experiencing the illusion of separation.
In reality there is not even karma as there is no person to experience Karma.
All spiritual teachings are concepts pointing to the truth.
This video point out the dangers of believing the concept rather than seeing that it points to the truth.
Scott points extremely well to the state of no person as he is in it. (my words therefore my concept)
Enlightenment is a concept till the state prevails.

The video is well worth viewing, it removed some of my misunderstandings.

Chris


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SU0KkuLZstE

[Carmody]

We have to start from where we think are.
Thats in the illusion, thats fooling ourselves.
The illusion is not true except in our mind.
Ultimately there is no individual person.
In the illusion there are fragments of the One experiencing the illusion of separation.
In reality there is not even karma as there is no person to experience Karma.
All spiritual teachings are concepts pointing to the truth.
This video point out the dangers of believing the concept rather than seeing that it points to the truth.
Scott points extremely well to the state of no person as he is in it. (my words therefore my concept)
Enlightenment is a concept till the state prevails.

The video is well worth viewing, it removed some of my misunderstandings.

Chris



One could sorta say that conceptual logic is by it's nature a form of encirclement and is therefore incomplete. And so on.

In the given postings, this one was merely pointing at the rabbit hole....poking it in your 'I'.

[greybeard]

Thanks Carmody
The mind cant get it.
Form and formless both and neither are This. (God)
Our challenge is that we want to have a personal identification with everything, we believe the story of me implicitly.
The sage does not see division, everything is connected.
When you look into a seeming others eyes, your self is looking back at you.
The teacher and the taught are the same.
Mind just cant fathom this out.
Its not an experience, its known beyond words feeling emotion anything.
No person exists after enlightenment, it is not a personal event, only love is left

No worries, you get it when your meant to.
You cant make it happen, but following spiritual teaching does make life a lot easier.
Chris

[Tony]

Hi pie'n'eal, Tony, you said
"However, there is my love, and there is love.
There is my knowing, and there is knowing."

Would the Universe not rather be just love and just knowing.

Hello K,
I suppose it would depend on the term universe.
There is universe as infinite space, and there objects in that space.
Then there are sentient beings floating around on and off these objects also floating round in infinite space.

Then we come to the question of is there a creator, or are we the creators.
That is up to individuals to decide.

Just love and just knowing or pure love and pure knowing is enlightenment.
That is when an individual sentient being realises their true nature...then they are enlightened.
They have also exhausted all their habitual patterning...all gone!

There are other enlightened beings constantly sending out blessings to help all sentient beings.
My view is that the universe is governed by laws of attraction and repulsion and inertia.
These three aspects also govern most of us!

They are known in Buddhism as the three poisons.
But, there are in essence, pure, knowing and love.
They are given the name the three Kayas.
That is what we have to realise.

All the best,
Tony

[Tony]

Hi pie'n'eal, Tony, you said
"However, there is my love, and there is love.
There is my knowing, and there is knowing."

Would the Universe not rather be just love and just knowing.

Hello K,
I suppose it would depend on the term universe.
There is universe as infinite space, and there objects in that space.
Then there are sentient beings floating around on and off these objects also floating round in infinite space.

Then we come to the question of is there a creator, or are we the creators.
That is up to individuals to decide.

Just love and just knowing or pure love and pure knowing is enlightenment.
That is when an individual sentient being realises their true nature...then they are enlightened.
They have also exhausted all their habitual patterning...all gone!

There are other enlightened beings constantly sending out blessings to help all sentient beings.
My view is that the universe is governed by laws of attraction and repulsion and inertia.
These three aspects also govern most of us!

They are known in Buddhism as the three poisons.
But, there are in essence, pure, knowing and love.
They are given the name the three Kayas.
That is what we have to realise.

All the best,
Tony

Scanning the old brain a bit more....Enlightened beings are outside of this universes of time and space.
That is possibly where ultimate love, pure essence and wisdom resides.
Anything in this physical universe seems to be bound by ignorance.

So we do have great potential!

[Carmody]

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[aranuk]

Wise words Jeanette.

Stan

[Eagle]

Pie-head leave it to you to come out of the corner swinging, here are my feelings, each of us can create our own reality right? what happens then when my reality includes enslavement of a whole coutry? at what point does my reality interfere/supersede yours

[Tony]

Pie-head leave it to you to come out of the corner swinging, here are my feelings, each of us can create our own reality right? what happens then when my reality includes enslavement of a whole coutry? at what point does my reality interfere/supersede yours



That is a really difficult but important question!

Everything we as individuals experience is due to our past actions and reaction.
There is also collective karma. We have a similar outlook.
This planet is going through what is called the Kaliyuga (the age of strife or iron age).
I have been told that this universe we are in is built on the human realm of desire.
I suppose that is the strongest influence.

We are only now noticing that there is a very strong control influence here as well, and it has been going on for a very long time in secret, unoticed. We, our parents and great great.....grand parents have not noticed this slavery, until now.

When I think about it, the knowledge of this dark element has helped see the light.
It has made a huge change to my life.
Along the path to the light, the darkness lies the ambush.
"Darkness" is our clinging to likes and dislikes.
Ignorance is the ignoring of the effect of these very subtle influences upon us.

Knowing this actually helps us because these bring up strong emotions within us, which can be transformed.
Our enemy is our most precious teacher...which pushes our feeling of compassion to the limit! Of course, this is easier said than done ;)

Drubwang Tsoknyi Rinpoche 1:

Don't wander, don't wander, place mindfulness on guard;
Along the road of distraction, Mara (demons) lies in ambush.
Mara (demons) is this mind, clinging to like and dislike;
So look into the essence of this magic, free from dualistic fixation.
Realise that your mind is unfabricated primal purity.
There is no buddha elsewhere; look at your own face.
There is nothing else to search for, rest in your own place.
Non-meditation is spontaneous perfection, so capture the royal seat.



United we stand.....
Tony

[norman]

United we stand.
Tony



You crack me up quite a lot Tony. If I ever get a chance I'd like to meet you ( as a Buddhist aspirant, that is ) I'd be very disappointed if you just turned up like some bloke from Manchester who missed the early train.

:rain:

[Tony]

United we stand.
Tony



You crack me up quite a lot Tony. If I ever get a chance I'd like to meet you ( as a Buddhist aspirant, that is ) I'd be very disappointed if you just turned up like some bloke from Manchester who missed the early train.

:rain:

Believe me, I would be the ultimate disappointment!! :o

[Eagle]

United we stand.
Tony



You crack me up quite a lot Tony. If I ever get a chance I'd like to meet you ( as a Buddhist aspirant, that is ) I'd be very disappointed if you just turned up like some bloke from Manchester who missed the early train.

:rain:

Believe me, I would be the ultimate disappointment!! :o

for someone who eats pie and eals in the same sitting, I dont think I would be diappointed, I think I would be curious and Cautious

[Davidallany]

Pie-head leave it to you to come out of the corner swinging, here are my feelings, each of us can create our own reality right? what happens then when my reality i ncludes enslavement of a whole coutry? at what point does my reality interfere/supersede yours




That is a really difficult but important question!

Everything we as individuals experience is due to our past actions and reaction.
There is also collective karma. We have a similar outlook.
This planet is going through what is called the Kaliyuga (the age of strife or iron age).
I have been told that this universe we are in is built on the human realm of desire.
I suppose that is the strongest influence.

We are only now noticing that there is a very strong control influence here as well, and it has been going on for a very long time in secret, unoticed. We, our parents and great great.....grand parents have not noticed this slavery, until now.

When I think about it, the knowledge of this dark element has helped see the light.
It has made a huge change to my life.
Along the path to the light, the darkness lies the ambush.
"Darkness" is our clinging to likes and dislikes.
Ignorance is the ignoring of the effect of these very subtle influences upon us.

Knowing this actually helps us because these bring up strong emotions within us, which can be transformed.
Our enemy is our most precious teacher...which pushes our feeling of compassion to the limit! Of course, this is easier said than done ;)

Drubwang Tsoknyi Rinpoche 1:

Don't wander, don't wander, place mindfulness on guard;
Along the road of distraction, Mara (demons) lies in ambush.
Mara (demons) is this mind, clinging to like and dislike;
So look into the essence of this magic, free from dualistic fixation.
Realise that your mind is unfabricated primal purity.
There is no buddha elsewhere; look at your own face.
There is nothing else to search for, rest in your own place.
Non-meditation is spontaneous perfection, so capture the royal seat.



United we stand.....
Tony

Hi Tony, I was looking at this video yesterday. It's related to Dig's question about creating reality. I don't necessarily agree with everything, but he certainly have an insight.
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[Rantaak]

More than anything, I think it comes down to the near impossibility of bringing a sensibility or semblance of life as a plasma based dimensional being of great interconnectivity and flow, into a different dimensional space as a '3d time based world/universe'..and trying to bring that 'other reality' into this place..with as little convoluted change as is possible.

And how near impossible this task is, regarding find a way to get the interconnectivity of the given individuals to be high enough to be separate individuals..but still connected.

To have aspects of a hive like connection but to retain full individuality. The public or external schism seems to be occurring between those two extremes.

This 3d universe, this place of time based lattice structure matter and 'reality' is not favorable to that sort of 'edifice of self awareness' which is the normal state of affairs... in such another dimension, which is where our larger self hails from.

I think that it is important to understand some of this -as aspects go- when contemplating the '3d time/matter based world' reasons for such a need for the proper 'centering of the self', which Tony is trying to get across, here.

We're all like a fish out of water here, trying to find our way. in an established functional system of intelligent being generation and regeneration, this sort of thing would not be evident.

We'd be beyond such things.

And we know, via our dimensional awareness of other spaces and other realities that indeed, we are. On that level, we are far more evolved, in some fundamental ways. Our realization of connection to the universe and all -is more evolved. But... our external 3d body connections are quite silent, in our 3d estimations and base awareness. Schism.

We suffer greatly in this schism of this 3d reality, where we are left to figure out things blindly, in a situation where most of our capacity ---is left behind.

However, there is a door to that understanding and that capacity, and it is inside of us. It is not external.

The reason it is internal... is that the very reason for this place to exist and this duality being (that we each are) to be in it, originates in the internal, not the external.

The schism is that the body, the envoy of the 'waking' awareness in this space -is designed to externalize, whereas the being inside.. is designed to internalize and correct before reaching outward. So the problem erupts when the externalization becomes the reflection of the internalization. And Vice Versa. (you try to fix external -to you- issues via external application. whereas the being inside tries to fix internal issues by internalizing. The two constantly make errors in judgment and application - based on each other's confusion in data and connectivity)

Realize the disconnect ...and then the ego may be stilled so the body does not run around in repetitive incorrect circles. (the ego is partially a reflection of the originator, the internal..and the 'duality-design' originates from the internal so..there is a need to go to the headwaters of the internal.... to fix the external error)

In this stilling of the external body-self... the owner of the edifice or body, the internal being... can finally correct the errors of contemplation ---and execution of actions.

Not perfectly stated, but hopefully you get the idea. Basically, you are thrown into these waters..but you have to teach yourself how to swim.

I like your approach especially because of how little it clings to external forces such as Buddhism and other dogma. I would like to comment a bit regarding my observations of learning.

As we are meta-cogniscient beings operating human machines, we possess the ability to learn about learning. In my experiences, I have noticed that learning takes place when the operating spirit observes a quality or aspect of behavior that it deems desirable or resonant to ones own unique vibrational signature (like a hand-made tuning fork). This can be for a multitude of reasons, whether the spirit or over-mind knows that the ability or process exhibited is merely advantageous, or conducive to completing some task that may engender further spiritual growth. In order to "learn", we create a model of a behavior or relationship in our physical brains, so that the body can learn the behavior. In this way, the spirit (larger self) can then command the body to perform a learned task and have the body automatically perform it, utilizing the mold that has been formed in the infinitely recursive structure of the physical grey matter inside of one's skull.

In order to initially model a previously unknown behavior, the brain requires a source of demonstration. This can come from observing other beings and relationships, as well as from other forms such as neurologically forcing the brain to enter a heightened state of efficacy by imbibing neurotransmitters or materials that will be metabolized into such. It has been said that, "Intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns as such." In this manner, I think the recognition of patterns refers to the process in which the physical grey matter of the brain creates a model or a perceived pattern or relationship (behavior). Even if this heightened state cannot be naturally achieved again through endogenous means, by virtue of physical limitation, technological frequency modulation, or the constraint of belief, the model of the learned behaviors has already been created. As such, the mind may lose conscious awareness of the mechanics of these abilities, even though the model has not been lost (unless one is to force plasticity upon their brain via the advent of imbibed terpenoids). Irregardless, the spirit can still command the body to perform these learned abilities on a subconscious level. This is why any real psychic doesn't have "on-demand" access to what another person has eaten for breakfast, or some similarly irrelevant informational nugget. Information is given to these people as their larger self decides it is needed. Many intrepid folks miss this important aspect of spirituality and end up in a constant struggle for power, whether that means following others dogma, performing magic through ritual (which does work, but not so cleanly and holistically as one might think), or being dominated by fear by trying to bite off something they were simply not ready for.

The "centering of ones self" is just a matter of balancing light and dark, as this dichotomy is false and emergent only of the schism which drives this cosmic game we all signed up for. Many people in the Avalon community are violently imbalanced in the direction of light. ("I know what's best for you," "Love is all you need," "Love and Light," "We know everything," etc...). If we are to teach ourselves to swim, then it is imperative that we recognize the words of others only as the articulation of an idea, and not a dogmatic command of belief.

"I have wrapped the wide world in my wider self
And time and space, my spirits seeing eye
Am the god and demon, ghost and elf
I am the wind's speech and the blazing star."

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Rantaak

Could you please try to explain what you are saying in simpler terms?
I really can't understand what you are trying to get across...far too intellectual for me! Too many long words, I'm afraid:o
As the OP is all about experience, I don't see what such an theoretical view adds.

Kathie

[Aetheric Traveler]

And I thought I was long winded and overly-analytical !!!

This post is about Un-Fooling ourselves.

My short explanation is "As a person thinketh, so are they".

So we have fooled ourselves into improper manners of thinking and consicousness that shape our reality.

To change our reality, what must change for each of us individually is WE MUST CHANGE our thinking and consciousness habits.

I hope Rantaak will forgive me that I interjected my version of the answer to Tarka the Duck's question. And I hope Tarka the Duck will get some benefit out of my response, even if it's to say, nice try, but that's the wrong answer for me, and it's proof I need to keep looking.

Cheers,
AT

[Lisab]

Hello Rantaak

Could you please try to explain what you are saying in simpler terms?
I really can't understand what you are trying to get across...far too intellectual for me! Too many long words, I'm afraid:o
As the OP is all about experience, I don't see what such an theoretical view adds.

Kathie
Thankyou. Sometimes I think its just me. Sometimes I want to do a Denzil Washinton and say "pleeeeze, explain it to me like Im five!".

[Jenci]

Hello Rantaak

Could you please try to explain what you are saying in simpler terms?
I really can't understand what you are trying to get across...far too intellectual for me! Too many long words, I'm afraid:o
As the OP is all about experience, I don't see what such an theoretical view adds.

Kathie


Hi Kathie,

In the early days I spent a lot of time trying to work out what was being said - I would use the dictionary to look up words, make notes and highlight text.

And then I realised not to do this. Today, if I don't understand something I just leave it.

The Being that we are already is the whole knowledge of the Universe. It is not a question of learning, it's about remembering.

It's the mind/ego that needs to make sense of things, understand, puts things in order. When we can see this and we stop trying to understand, we are leaving the ego alone - and then the student is ready and the teacher appears :)

Sometimes the teacher is just one word.
One word contemplated on which opens to an infinity of knowledge
All which would have been missed trying to understand what you are not meant to.


Jeanette

[crested-duck]

I condider myself pretty smart without letters after my name but I had to get the dictionary for" inbibed terpenoids"! I'm learning new thoughts and information every day. I've lived hard and played hard ,now trying to learn who I really am real hard. I do not feel intimidated by words I do'nt understand, it just takes a little longer to understand having to keep checking the dictionary. We are all at different levels of our education, but traveling the same road together.

[Rantaak]

If one cannot bring themselves to understand language then they are simply not ready for the information contained within.

Though I should add that my language had to be fairly scientific due to the constraints of posting on this forum; I have to use English and talking about drugs would be construed by this forum as advocation.

[graigav]

"In conforming, one is following the order, the 'new word order.'
Beware that the script may be changed, but it is still the same old play...

The New Word Order....I am light. I am love, and I know.

Do not be fooled.
In truth, you are light, you are love and you do know.
" But what is it that is light?
What is it that loves?
And what is that knows?

This light, love and knowing is still partial.
It is still a mental concept, a trick to distract.
Distractions are obstructions to pure being.

There is much rich manure to work with.
All we have to do is dig...deep!

Know thyself to be pure luminosity."

They are place holders until we simply are.
No distractions. No tricks.
I AM

[Tony]

More than anything, I think it comes down to the near impossibility of bringing a sensibility or semblance of life as a plasma based dimensional being of great interconnectivity and flow, into a different dimensional space as a '3d time based world/universe'..and trying to bring that 'other reality' into this place..with as little convoluted change as is possible.

And how near impossible this task is, regarding find a way to get the interconnectivity of the given individuals to be high enough to be separate individuals..but still connected.

To have aspects of a hive like connection but to retain full individuality. The public or external schism seems to be occurring between those two extremes.

This 3d universe, this place of time based lattice structure matter and 'reality' is not favorable to that sort of 'edifice of self awareness' which is the normal state of affairs... in such another dimension, which is where our larger self hails from.

I think that it is important to understand some of this -as aspects go- when contemplating the '3d time/matter based world' reasons for such a need for the proper 'centering of the self', which Tony is trying to get across, here.

We're all like a fish out of water here, trying to find our way. in an established functional system of intelligent being generation and regeneration, this sort of thing would not be evident.

We'd be beyond such things.

And we know, via our dimensional awareness of other spaces and other realities that indeed, we are. On that level, we are far more evolved, in some fundamental ways. Our realization of connection to the universe and all -is more evolved. But... our external 3d body connections are quite silent, in our 3d estimations and base awareness. Schism.

We suffer greatly in this schism of this 3d reality, where we are left to figure out things blindly, in a situation where most of our capacity ---is left behind.

However, there is a door to that understanding and that capacity, and it is inside of us. It is not external.

The reason it is internal... is that the very reason for this place to exist and this duality being (that we each are) to be in it, originates in the internal, not the external.

The schism is that the body, the envoy of the 'waking' awareness in this space -is designed to externalize, whereas the being inside.. is designed to internalize and correct before reaching outward. So the problem erupts when the externalization becomes the reflection of the internalization. And Vice Versa. (you try to fix external -to you- issues via external application. whereas the being inside tries to fix internal issues by internalizing. The two constantly make errors in judgment and application - based on each other's confusion in data and connectivity)

Realize the disconnect ...and then the ego may be stilled so the body does not run around in repetitive incorrect circles. (the ego is partially a reflection of the originator, the internal..and the 'duality-design' originates from the internal so..there is a need to go to the headwaters of the internal.... to fix the external error)

In this stilling of the external body-self... the owner of the edifice or body, the internal being... can finally correct the errors of contemplation ---and execution of actions.

Not perfectly stated, but hopefully you get the idea. Basically, you are thrown into these waters..but you have to teach yourself how to swim.

I like your approach especially because of how little it clings to external forces such as Buddhism and other dogma. I would like to comment a bit regarding my observations of learning.

As we are meta-cogniscient beings operating human machines, we possess the ability to learn about learning. In my experiences, I have noticed that learning takes place when the operating spirit observes a quality or aspect of behavior that it deems desirable or resonant to ones own unique vibrational signature (like a hand-made tuning fork). This can be for a multitude of reasons, whether the spirit or over-mind knows that the ability or process exhibited is merely advantageous, or conducive to completing some task that may engender further spiritual growth. In order to "learn", we create a model of a behavior or relationship in our physical brains, so that the body can learn the behavior. In this way, the spirit (larger self) can then command the body to perform a learned task and have the body automatically perform it, utilizing the mold that has been formed in the infinitely recursive structure of the physical grey matter inside of one's skull.

In order to initially model a previously unknown behavior, the brain requires a source of demonstration. This can come from observing other beings and relationships, as well as from other forms such as neurologically forcing the brain to enter a heightened state of efficacy by imbibing neurotransmitters or materials that will be metabolized into such. It has been said that, "Intelligence is the ability to recognize patterns as such." In this manner, I think the recognition of patterns refers to the process in which the physical grey matter of the brain creates a model or a perceived pattern or relationship (behavior). Even if this heightened state cannot be naturally achieved again through endogenous means, by virtue of physical limitation, technological frequency modulation, or the constraint of belief, the model of the learned behaviors has already been created. As such, the mind may lose conscious awareness of the mechanics of these abilities, even though the model has not been lost (unless one is to force plasticity upon their brain via the advent of imbibed terpenoids). Irregardless, the spirit can still command the body to perform these learned abilities on a subconscious level. This is why any real psychic doesn't have "on-demand" access to what another person has eaten for breakfast, or some similarly irrelevant informational nugget. Information is given to these people as their larger self decides it is needed. Many intrepid folks miss this important aspect of spirituality and end up in a constant struggle for power, whether that means following others dogma, performing magic through ritual (which does work, but not so cleanly and holistically as one might think), or being dominated by fear by trying to bite off something they were simply not ready for.

The "centering of ones self" is just a matter of balancing light and dark, as this dichotomy is false and emergent only of the schism which drives this cosmic game we all signed up for. Many people in the Avalon community are violently imbalanced in the direction of light. ("I know what's best for you," "Love is all you need," "Love and Light," "We know everything," etc...). If we are to teach ourselves to swim, then it is imperative that we recognize the words of others only as the articulation of an idea, and not a dogmatic command of belief.

"I have wrapped the wide world in my wider self
And time and space, my spirits seeing eye
Am the god and demon, ghost and elf
I am the wind's speech and the blazing star."


Hello Rantaak,

Would you explain Buddhist dogma?

Tony

[Tarka the Duck]

If one cannot bring themselves to understand language then they are simply not ready for the information contained within.

Though I should add that my language had to be fairly scientific due to the constraints of posting on this forum; I have to use English and talking about drugs would be construed by this forum as advocation.

Thanks for that Rantaak...your reply told me much...
Kathie

[Rantaak]

Hello Rantaak,

Would you explain Buddhist dogma?

Tony

Most certainly. Dogma refers to a statement that is expected to be taken as completely true, or emergent of reality. Buddhist dogma would then exist in statements such as "life is suffering" and "one must rid themselves of desire to free themselves of suffering". Other belief systems have offered other incomplete explanations as to our present state, i.e. "Jesus was god and loved humanity so much that he chose to suffer for our sins"...This is light-sided cow feces. The problem with believing in dogma is that when we do so we give our power away to an external idea. Due to the limitation of language, no statement can be entirely true (even OM). Statements (axioms) exist at varying levels of truth. Reasoning can be conducive to finding truthful vibrations, though a single error or incomplete semantic can topple the entire structure. Rote thought is the escape hatch from the cosmic prison of verbal language.

I realize that my statements sound fairly dogmatic as well, the difference being that they are from personal observation and methodology. Learning about buddhism definitely made me think a lot, just as when learning about wicca, shamanism, sumerian (alleged) ritual, music theory, computer science, physics (based off of expectation, not emergence), astral travel, david icke, modes of consciousness outside of the serotonin and dopamine bubble, emotion, history, linguistics, magician (top hat and petticoat kind) theory, pick-up artistry, ethnobotanism, calculus, ontology, epistemology, and everything else. The most interesting observation I have made from studying all of these things is how densely interconnected they are. There isn't a single school of thought that encapsulates all of everything and I believe that the answers lie in connecting all of the dots in these disparate fields of study to construct a holistic mode of thinking. Notice the double-meaning of the previous sentence.

I hope I've answered your question or at least given you something to think about!

[Tony]

Hello Rantaak,

Would you explain Buddhist dogma?

Tony

Most certainly. Dogma refers to a statement that is expected to be taken as completely true, or emergent of reality. Buddhist dogma would then exist in statements such as "life is suffering" and "one must rid themselves of desire to free themselves of suffering". Other belief systems have offered other incomplete explanations as to our present state, i.e. "Jesus was god and loved humanity so much that he chose to suffer for our sins"...This is light-sided cow feces. The problem with believing in dogma is that when we do so we give our power away to an external idea. Due to the limitation of language, no statement can be entirely true (even OM). Statements (axioms) exist at varying levels of truth. Reasoning can be conducive to finding truthful vibrations, though a single error or incomplete semantic can topple the entire structure. Rote thought is the escape hatch from the cosmic prison of verbal language.

I realize that my statements sound fairly dogmatic as well, the difference being that they are from personal observation and methodology. Learning about buddhism definitely made me think a lot, just as when learning about wicca, shamanism, sumerian (alleged) ritual, music theory, computer science, physics (based off of expectation, not emergence), astral travel, david icke, modes of consciousness outside of the serotonin and dopamine bubble, emotion, history, linguistics, magician (top hat and petticoat kind) theory, pick-up artistry, ethnobotanism, calculus, ontology, epistemology, and everything else. The most interesting observation I have made from studying all of these things is how densely interconnected they are. There isn't a single school of thought that encapsulates all of everything and I believe that the answers lie in connecting all of the dots in these disparate fields of study to construct a holistic mode of thinking. Notice the double-meaning of the previous sentence.

I hope I've answered your question or at least given you something to think about!

Freeing oneself from desire, is merely to stop clinging to fixed ideas.
Clinging to fixed ideas cause suffering for people.
It creates negative emotions, anger, pride, fear, jealousy..the world we live in!

The object is to be free of all this that controls the mind,
and in doing so to have compassion for others.

I see no dogma. This is no belief system, it is all observable.

Tony

[Rantaak]

I can dig that. Being attached to outcome is the worst way to go about achieving it. I've met very few buddhists who see it this way.

[Rantaak]

Having taken some time to think about this as well as the responses of others, I have found a more concise elaboration:

All of us can relate to one thing: "I'm trying to find myself."

I have no idea how I play music. I stand at my digital piano for hours and improvise complex polyrhythms and progressive melodies of haunting polyphony. I don't think about it, I can't even read music and know very little theory to be honest. I just stand there and listen to myself play.

Magic is like this. By trying to fully comprehend the complexity of our situation, we attach our fear and anxiety to the outcome we desire. By allowing ourselves to be free of this, anything is possible.

[Carmody]

Having taken some time to think about this as well as the responses of others, I have found a more concise elaboration:

All of us can relate to one thing: "I'm trying to find myself."

I have no idea how I play music. I stand at my digital piano for hours and improvise complex polyrhythms and progressive melodies of haunting polyphony. I don't think about it, I can't even read music and know very little theory to be honest. I just stand there and listen to myself play.

Magic is like this. By trying to fully comprehend the complexity of our situation, we attach our fear and anxiety to the outcome we desire. By allowing ourselves to be free of this, anything is possible.

'Tis my fondest desire to run backward out of a plane, hands over head, eyes closed.

[Tarka the Duck]

I realize that my statements sound fairly dogmatic as well, the difference being that they are from personal observation and methodology.

Unfortunately, that sounds as if you consider that it is only you who is talking from personal observation.
Perhaps you need to be a little more aware that there are many others who also speak from experience...not just you...
Maybe you didn't intend for that to come across as arrogantly as it does ;) !

Kathie

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I can dig that. Being attached to outcome is the worst way to go about achieving it. I've met very few buddhists who see it this way.

I'm sure you are speaking from experience again: but that is precisely all it is...your experience, which is, by definition, limited.

Kathie

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Learning about buddhism definitely made me think a lot, just as when learning about wicca, shamanism, sumerian (alleged) ritual, music theory, computer science, physics (based off of expectation, not emergence), astral travel, david icke, modes of consciousness outside of the serotonin and dopamine bubble, emotion, history, linguistics, magician (top hat and petticoat kind) theory, pick-up artistry, ethnobotanism, calculus, ontology, epistemology, and everything else.



My, my, you have been busy...and a pianist as well, eh?!
I wonder - have you studied any of these things in any depth or did you just read a book?!!;)

Kathie

[Rantaak]

Unfortunately, that sounds as if you consider that it is only you who is talking from personal observation.
Perhaps you need to be a little more aware that there are many others who also speak from experience...not just you...
Maybe you didn't intend for that to come across as arrogantly as it does ;) !


I'm sorry if I sound arrogant. That would be your own insecurity speaking.



I'm sure you are speaking from experience again: but that is precisely all it is...your experience, which is, by definition, limited.


Yup.



My, my, you have been busy...and a pianist as well, eh?!
I wonder - have you studied any of these things in any depth or did you just read a book?!!;)


I have read many books. I am not sure why you concern yourself with the exact depth to which I have studied these things, as I imagine my words speak for themselves. I apologize if I have offended you in some way. Your intonation suggests that you simply don't like me. This brings me great mirth.

Carry on.

[Carmody]

The speech patterns of the young can be many times... full of sureties. I recognize that, being an offender of similar type in my youth and well, some might think.. still...on occasion. I find that if this one remembers to write in the style of opinion over that of statement, which is this one's primary and deepest intent...that much of the potential for miscommunication can be alleviated. Old habits are many times difficult to break.

[Davidallany]

A penniless person, does not qualify to offer money to another person, despite his sincere wish to do so. A man who does not know himself is in no position to teach another man how to know self. Man is basically good, but turns sour due to episodes in life that keeps him stuck or unable to clear a confusion, this causes a hypnotized-like state of mind, like a drunk person who can not walk a straight line.
To remedy this and reclaim wakefulness, and to continue climbing the ladder of progress, one must unstuck himself and get out of the maze. For this a qulified teacher is needed for general, precise and effective instruction on how to solve the percieved mystery.
An ethical and moral code should be applied by those who aspire to help themselves and others get to the higher grounds of realization.

[Phoenix]

Hello Rantaak

Could you please try to explain what you are saying in simpler terms?
I really can't understand what you are trying to get across...far too intellectual for me! Too many long words, I'm afraid:o
As the OP is all about experience, I don't see what such an theoretical view adds.

Kathie


Hi Kathie,

In the early days I spent a lot of time trying to work out what was being said - I would use the dictionary to look up words, make notes and highlight text.

And then I realised not to do this. Today, if I don't understand something I just leave it.

The Being that we are already is the whole knowledge of the Universe. It is not a question of learning, it's about remembering.

It's the mind/ego that needs to make sense of things, understand, puts things in order. When we can see this and we stop trying to understand, we are leaving the ego alone - and then the student is ready and the teacher appears :)

Sometimes the teacher is just one word.
One word contemplated on which opens to an infinity of knowledge
All which would have been missed trying to understand what you are not meant to.


Jeanette

Wow. Just wow. This is amazing. Thank you for this.

Phoenix

[Jenci]

There isn't a single school of thought that encapsulates all of everything

Hi Rantaak

This is correct and for good reason because what we are talking about is the Source of all. It is the most primary thing.
Anything which speaks about it, is secondary to it, therefore cannot be it.
So all descriptions are just that - words that someone has used to describe something that cannot be described.
Even my words here are inadequate - just another signpost or pointer to what I am talking about.




and I believe that the answers lie in connecting all of the dots in these disparate fields of study to construct a holistic mode of thinking.
Well you could do this. What you will end up with is another signpost or pointer. It may be very helpful but it is important to realise it is not it.

Considering this thread is about un-fooling ourselves, it's important to understand that the need to construct something, is the ego.

This is how ego works. Ego is identity and it contructs this around ideas, concepts, beliefs, thoughts, feelings, desires, fears etc

When we are talking about realising It (signposts/pointers we can use are God, Awareness, Consciousness, Self, Absolute, Source etc) - it is a deconstruction process.

The deconstruction is of everything that the ego is built on - ideas, concepts, beliefs, thoughts, feelings, desires, fears.........so we may be better served not constructing a new concept of what we are seeking.

We may be better served asking a direct question - What is this that is aware of my mind?

Jeanette

[Jenci]

Wow. Just wow. This is amazing. Thank you for this.

Phoenix

Hi Phoenix, you may enjoy this. He is talking about the same. Very simple teaching - how to rest as Awareness by relinquishing the need to understand.

Jeanette



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIX_zk5NN6g

[Rantaak]

The speech patterns of the young can be many times... full of sureties. I recognize that, being an offender of similar type in my youth and well, some might think.. still...on occasion. If find that if this one remembers to write in the style of opinion over that of statement, which is this one's primary and deepest intent...that much the potential for miscommunication can be alleviated. Old habits are many times difficult to break.

I try to speak in the same way that I think, in order to best communicate my thoughts to others. The difference between opinion and statement is an ontological fluke. Running backwards off of a plane with ones eyes closed can be very useful when others who are sensitive to your needs can help guide you along the way in having a safe, sound, and serviceable experience. You can take it or leave it.

[Kindred]

If you meet with any precious teachings on liberation,
your good karma has brought you there, to continue your practice.

First realise your true nature, and then work for the benefit of others.
That is unconditional love.
That unconditional love goes beyond good and evil.
It is the yoga of one taste.
Working for the benefit of others, goes beyond your own benefit and aggrandisement.
This altruistic motivation is an antidote to self-cherishing ego-clinging.
It is a safeguard.
Compassion takes the attention off oneself and on to another.

Tony

I'll repeat,

LOVE is the Desire,
the Willingness and
the Action of:
GIVING ALL THAT YOU ARE, ALL THAT YOU EVER WILL BE,
And expecting Nothing in return...

[Davidallany]

If you meet with any precious teachings on liberation,
your good karma has brought you there, to continue your practice.

First realise your true nature, and then work for the benefit of others.
That is unconditional love.
That unconditional love goes beyond good and evil.
It is the yoga of one taste.
Working for the benefit of others, goes beyond your own benefit and aggrandisement.
This altruistic motivation is an antidote to self-cherishing ego-clinging.
It is a safeguard.
Compassion takes the attention off oneself and on to another.

Tony

I'll repeat,

LOVE is the Desire,
the Willingness and
the Action of:
GIVING ALL THAT YOU ARE, ALL THAT YOU EVER WILL BE,
And expecting Nothing in return...
If this is something that you have experienced then I must say you are very brave. It doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, because right and wrong depends on one's point of view (I follow Netiquette).
To some people love is what they feel when they are attracted to someone, sexually or otherwise, due to biological triggers or otherwise.
To others, love wakefulness, a life one who lives in what Buddhist call sympathetic joy.
To others, love is being one with everyone else, like the visible light composed of many shades and united in our percieved way of seeing light.
To others yet :) love is not needed, because there no one to give love to
it is possible for all of us to hold hands in friendship and kindhood as eternal beings on a trip around this galaxy's town.

[WhiteFeather]

Love This Nugget Phrase Here Tony, Nice.

"Everyone around us is fooling themselves, and being fooled!
Do not be fooled into not using your mind!
If you don't use it, someone else will!"

Sounds Like The Tools Of The MS Matrix System Agendas.

[Carmody]

I'll repeat,

LOVE is the Desire,
the Willingness and
the Action of:
GIVING ALL THAT YOU ARE, ALL THAT YOU EVER WILL BE,
And expecting Nothing in return...

It is that seemingly rare occasion where love and reason - both agree.

With clear mind(?), this occasion of love and reason agreeing... tends to be the norm.