Germans to release ufo files

[The One]

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BERLIN Germany – The Administrative Court of Berlin had ordered the German parliament to release all its UFO files.
The “Deutsche Bundestag” was ordered to give access to secret official reports compiled by the “Scientific Research Service of the German parliament” on demand of delegates on the question on the government’s knowledge and studies about UFOs and extraterrestrial life.

The German parliament has already appealed the decision – and is trying to block all attempts at releasing the UFO files. But the Berlin court is confident that the files will be released

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“The right of access to official information under the German freedom of information act also applies to studies and reports of the ‘Scientific Research Service of the Bundestag’, the Berlin Administrative Court explained in its decision announcement on December 1st, 2011.

Until the court hearing the Bundestag denied access to the paper by referring to the claim that the work and results of the “Scientific Research Service of the Bundestag” are part of the work of the parliament and the mandatory work of the delegates and therefore should be excluded from demands referring to the freedom of information act.

In it’s press release the Administrative Court explained further, that the judges did not agree with this claim of the parliament and therefore did not followed the complaint upheld by the Bundestag and instead ordered that it must give the claimant insight into the secret report.

Observers speculate that the persistence with which the Bundestag denied and still tries to deny the insight into the UFO-paper, or even it’s publication, is not so much about the treated subject (in this case UFOs and extraterrestrial life), but in general about questions of dealing with reports and papers by the “Scientific Research Service of the German Bundestag” in the future and in the face of the freedom of information act in general.

Beside stating, that because so many other NATO members, partners and neighboring countries – such as France, the USA, Belgium, the United Kingdom and Italy (.to name only a few) – did investigate UFOs, it is “more than likely that also official German authorities and Departments dealt with this questions (about the existence of UFOs and extraterrestrial life)”, the report does not reveal any secrets about UFOs and alien life, nor a secret knowledge about it by the German government.

Will this be one of the official pictures released by the German government?

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As part of the worldwide Disclosure and Exopolitic-movement, “Exopolitic Germany” is pursuing the release of reportedly secret knowledge and information by governments, military and intelligence services. In an interview with the German online magazine on the paranormal and edge-science “Grenzwissenschaft-Aktuell” (grewi.de), Robert Fleischer, who is the coordinator of “Exopolitic Germany”, commented on the court’s decision as follows:

“The decision represents a first step in the direction of a true freedom of information – also in Germany. I am optimistic that following decisions will follow the current decision. Sooner or later also the German government has to tell the truth about its knowledge about UFOs. 19 other countries have done this already. Such a step would also be important to avoid useless speculations and conspiracy theories about this question


http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/40999/germans-to-release-ufo-files/

[Mark]

Excellent news. Now if the files are not redacted and more black ink than words, those will be files worth reading.

[STATIC]

Indeed.
I would suspect that germany would be a key player. Considering that Hitler had quite an interest in such things; It would make sense that some form of organization like our majestic would have survived world warII and is still operating.

[Mark]

I remember some discussion here in another thread about how the current government of germany isn`t really the true, legitimate government. I`m not sure of the legalities behind it but something like it was formed post-WWII as an interim government and a new, formal government was never formed. That means that the 3rd Reich was the last formal government of Germany and might still be. I don`t know, just what I saw around here before. If so, then the current government might not have access to or permission to publish the UFO files that occurred under the Reich. Only what has happened in the decades since.

[buckminster fuller]

nice find The One... thanks

going to check on some german friends, I wonder how mainstream it did go overthere...

[karelia]

I remember some discussion here in another thread about how the current government of germany isn`t really the true, legitimate government. I`m not sure of the legalities behind it but something like it was formed post-WWII as an interim government and a new, formal government was never formed. That means that the 3rd Reich was the last formal government of Germany and might still be. I don`t know, just what I saw around here before.

That's in a nutshell correct.


If so, then the current government might not have access to or permission to publish the UFO files that occurred under the Reich. Only what has happened in the decades since.

No. They most certainly have access, and I think it's a safe bet to say they don't care about permissions. The FRG is still under control of the Allies.

[Mark]

That's in a nutshell correct.

Ah, good. :) I hesitated to post that because I wasn`t certain about it and I don`t recall where I saw it here before. Thanks for the confirmation! Do you have any sources online where I can find out more about it.


No. They most certainly have access, and I think it's a safe bet to say they don't care about permissions. The FRG is still under control of the Allies.


So do you think they will be allowed, or choose to release the UFO files that the Reich gathered? If the FRG is still under the control of the Allies, you mean by the monied and empowered interests that we have spoken of so much here? Rothschilds out of London, Rockefellers and others?

[karelia]

Ah, good. :) I hesitated to post that because I wasn`t certain about it and I don`t recall where I saw it here before. Thanks for the confirmation! Do you have any sources online where I can find out more about it.

I do, but they are all in German, and I have yet to find any in English.


So do you think they will be allowed, or choose to release the UFO files that the Reich gathered? If the FRG is still under the control of the Allies, you mean by the monied and empowered interests that we have spoken of so much here? Rothschilds out of London, Rockefellers and others?

My personal thoughts on this? If they release them, they'll be well manipulated to show half-truths at best.

Yes, exactly. The usual suspects, and the masses think they're free.

[Mark]

The usual suspects indeed. I think they are beyond nation, really, at this point. They are their own nation. I hesitate to call them the Breakaway Civilization as some people have termed the remnants of the Reich that have survived and thrived into the present day. Perhaps they are different factions, working together sometimes, other times at odds with each other.

From the gist of this article it seems that this is beyond the capability of formal channels to halt if they are going to uphold their standards of accountability and responsibility. They are being called to release them. The redaction that the governments go through is par the course but even if they do so and mark out most of the information all that is really required at this point are documents that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the alien presence is real. The half-truths and spin that they put on it will be meaningless in the long-run even if it does fool some people in the present.

I read and speak some German, so any information you can share would be greatly appreciated, you can send it to me by pm if you want. What I don`t understand, I can send to google translate. Problematic, yes, but better than nothing. LOL I think this information is key to understanding the current role that Germany is playing not only in the European Union but also in the co-optation of the United States since WWII. All of it, together, reveals the scope of the overall plan and if Germany releases these files, I doubt that the United States will be far behind, unless the United States role will be actual, formal disclosure beyond the tacit admittance that we are currently getting in spades from whistle-blowers, ex-military and black ops folks seemingly all the time now.

[karelia]

The usual suspects indeed. I think they are beyond nation, really, at this point. They are their own nation. I hesitate to call them the Breakaway Civilization as some people have termed the remnants of the Reich that have survived and thrived into the present day. Perhaps they are different factions, working together sometimes, other times at odds with each other.

Yes, not much with "nation" these days. I read somewhere recently that the only countries left that do not have a Rothchild-owned central bank are Venezuela, Syria, and Iran, what with Libya invaded now...

To be honest, I don't see the ways of the cabal as a civilization at all. They're far more uncivilized and barbaric than a human being could ever be.


From the gist of this article it seems that this is beyond the capability of formal channels to halt if they are going to uphold their standards of accountability and responsibility. They are being called to release them. The redaction that the governments go through is par the course but even if they do so and mark out most of the information all that is really required at this point are documents that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that the alien presence is real. The half-truths and spin that they put on it will be meaningless in the long-run even if it does fool some people in the present.

I don't know if the source of this article is MSM or alternative, but it doesn't really matter. I see two possibilities emerging here:

1. Everything is going according to plan (the Bastards-in-Power's plan, that is)
2. There are actually a few honest and intelligent judges amongst the corrupt ones, and the hearing happened to be heard by one of them, who then acted as per law (not per statutes or decrees etc, but per law)

I'm not sure right now which one is more likely, but here is an interesting bit from one of Duncan O'Finioan's recent blog posts (http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/the-rant-from-hell/):


Not if but when the governments of the world come together and finally do announce disclosure, and they will, it will be for THEIR benefit, not yours, not mine, not anyone else’s but their own. I don’t know about any of you, hut I know what I believe, and I don’t need some nitwit unelected official, whether in the white house, Downing Street, the Kremlin or wherever to give me any kind of confirmation.


I read and speak some German, so any information you can share would be greatly appreciated, you can send it to me by pm if you want. What I don`t understand, I can send to google translate. Problematic, yes, but better than nothing. LOL I think this information is key to understanding the current role that Germany is playing not only in the European Union but also in the co-optation of the United States since WWII. All of it, together, reveals the scope of the overall plan and if Germany releases these files, I doubt that the United States will be far behind, unless the United States role will be actual, formal disclosure beyond the tacit admittance that we are currently getting in spades from whistle-blowers, ex-military and black ops folks seemingly all the time now.

You are absolutely right. It's about time the world looks at the situation because I think it'll be revealing for a lot of people. Neudeutschlang.org (http://www.neudeutschland.org/index.php/Staatsrechtliches_Grundlagenwissen.html) has a more detailed overview of the legal situation there. Speaking as a translator, I would not trust any online translator beyond the very rough gist of a sentence.

[Mark]

Yes, not much with "nation" these days. I read somewhere recently that the only countries left that do not have a Rothchild-owned central bank are Venezuela, Syria, and Iran, what with Libya invaded now...

True enough. I'm not certain if the PTW can really trust China, even if the corruption did indeed allow them to make headway to a certain extent in the past year or so. Russia, is questionable, as Putin is definitely a pawn of the PTW, but their stance is curious currently, in regards to Iran, and also China, as they are making inroads with both countries, supporting Iran and going through with many economic deals with China. If the PTW have not fully contained these countries, or if they have all gotten together and decided upon a course of action for the rest of us resulting in a massive population decrease, then we may have a mundane explanation for why it is taking so long for the actual physical hostilities to jump off. I suppose nations have really been dead since the late 1800s, and the formulation of corporations as having the same rights as people. The elite have certainly been acting as if they were more real than the rest of us since then.


To be honest, I don't see the ways of the cabal as a civilization at all. They're far more uncivilized and barbaric than a human being could ever be.

It certainly isn't heart-centered. I'm sure there are galactic civilizations out there that the cabal could resonate to quite wonderfully. Perhaps they are in collusion with some of them right now.


I don't know if the source of this article is MSM or alternative, but it doesn't really matter. I see two possibilities emerging here:

1. Everything is going according to plan (the Bastards-in-Power's plan, that is)
2. There are actually a few honest and intelligent judges amongst the corrupt ones, and the hearing happened to be heard by one of them, who then acted as per law (not per statutes or decrees etc, but per law)

Hm. Good point. If everything is going according to plan, then we can expect disinformation, perhaps blue-beam type misdirection facilitating the viewpoint that any alien intrusion will be hostile.

If this is an aberration caused by some sort of higher synchronicity then we can expect more to support the first, leading to further openings leading toward full disclosure, probably unwillingly and grudgingly.


I'm not sure right now which one is more likely, but here is an interesting bit from one of Duncan O'Finioan's recent blog posts (http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/11/29/the-rant-from-hell/):


Not if but when the governments of the world come together and finally do announce disclosure, and they will, it will be for THEIR benefit, not yours, not mine, not anyone else’s but their own. I don’t know about any of you, hut I know what I believe, and I don’t need some nitwit unelected official, whether in the white house, Downing Street, the Kremlin or wherever to give me any kind of confirmation.

LOL true enough. Outside of the context of the MSM and popular awakening, it doesn't really matter since those who know really know because they've experienced it. And, with all of the covert disclosures happening, also whether PTW-instigated or not, some large-scale revelation regarding extra and ultra-terrestrial presence will occur irregardless of what the governments say and how much of it is truth or not.


You are absolutely right. It's about time the world looks at the situation because I think it'll be revealing for a lot of people. Neudeutschlang.org (http://www.neudeutschland.org/index.php/Staatsrechtliches_Grundlagenwissen.html) has a more detailed overview of the legal situation there. Speaking as a translator, I would not trust any online translator beyond the very rough gist of a sentence.

Thanks for the resource and the professional advice! LOL I'm one who doesn't believe that WWII was lost by the ones most people think lost it and that control not only over the US but of the Western nations in general was obtained not long after and consolidated into what we are all experiencing today as the result of an insidious and diabolical scheme that has worked, more or less. Where it goes from here, is anybody's guess.

[STATIC]

I lived in Heidelberg Germany for 15 years. I went to german school until 7th grade so i'm relatively proficient in german.
If there is anything you would like me to translate I'd be more than willing to help.

[Mark]

Wow, Heidelberg is one of my favorite cities in Germany. Beautiful. I used to live in Kaiserslautern from 1987-91 and I would drive to Heidelberg sometimes for the day. I was there to watch them 'set the castle afire' for 2 summers. How lucky you are. That used to be my dream-place to go to university.

Thank you for your offer! I've yet to go to the site but have it in my bookmarks now, I'll definitely be back after I check it out.

[Spartacus]

I think everyone's going to be rather disappointed with what is released to the public. German shredding machines are the best in the world and very efficient.

[karelia]

True enough. I'm not certain if the PTW can really trust China, even if the corruption did indeed allow them to make headway to a certain extent in the past year or so. Russia, is questionable, as Putin is definitely a pawn of the PTW, but their stance is curious currently, in regards to Iran, and also China, as they are making inroads with both countries, supporting Iran and going through with many economic deals with China. If the PTW have not fully contained these countries, or if they have all gotten together and decided upon a course of action for the rest of us resulting in a massive population decrease, then we may have a mundane explanation for why it is taking so long for the actual physical hostilities to jump off. I suppose nations have really been dead since the late 1800s, and the formulation of corporations as having the same rights as people. The elite have certainly been acting as if they were more real than the rest of us since then.

I think what's in our favor is that they hate each other. They don't trust each other. By now, their only goal is to have control of the planet, but that's kind of difficult to achieve if you're warring with the other faction behind the scenes.


I'm one who doesn't believe that WWII was lost by the ones most people think lost it and that control not only over the US but of the Western nations in general was obtained not long after and consolidated into what we are all experiencing today as the result of an insidious and diabolical scheme that has worked, more or less. Where it goes from here, is anybody's guess.

A war isn't lost or won until the losing party capitulates, right? Germany never did. The Wehrmacht (army) did, but not the country. So, I guess WWII has been ongoing since 1945. It's only moved from overt to covert. That's one of the reasons why the propaganda machine has been kept so well oiled in Germany since the alleged end of the war.

[Mark]

I think what's in our favor is that they hate each other. They don't trust each other. By now, their only goal is to have control of the planet, but that's kind of difficult to achieve if you're warring with the other faction behind the scenes.

Well and truly said. It's simple, really and a bit ironic that the tactic they use to keep us at bay is the same tactic that, perhaps, other, higher powers use to keep them at each other's throats as well.


A war isn't lost or won until the losing party capitulates, right? Germany never did. The Wehrmacht (army) did, but not the country. So, I guess WWII has been ongoing since 1945. It's only moved from overt to covert. That's one of the reasons why the propaganda machine has been kept so well oiled in Germany since the alleged end of the war.

EXACTLY. Paperclip and its Russian equivalent sent scientists to the East and West, the Allied countries divided them up and their programs formed the foundation of black ops, genetics, paranormal, energy and space-based research from that point on. I have read that Nazi International went to South America, maybe also underground by way of Antarctica, and maybe even off-planet, if the stories about the Bell Project (https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/) and the Foo Fighters (http://www.germanufochatter.com/German-Foo-Fighters/index.html) are true, which I believe they are.

My research has shown that Germany and Japan have both collaborated ever since WWII and both have continued the economic warfare, and won it. Is this viewpoint understood by Germans, or is it also kept hidden from most people there as well? I can remember living in Germany in the late 1980s and the people my age would not speak of WWII. Things have changed, I am sure.

[karelia]

EXACTLY. Paperclip and its Russian equivalent sent scientists to the East and West, the Allied countries divided them up and their programs formed the foundation of black ops, genetics, paranormal, energy and space-based research from that point on. I have read that Nazi International went to South America, maybe also underground by way of Antarctica, and maybe even off-planet, if the stories about the Bell Project (https://sites.google.com/site/nazibelluncovered/) and the Foo Fighters (http://www.germanufochatter.com/German-Foo-Fighters/index.html) are true, which I believe they are.

Yes, I have no doubt those are true (the Foo Fighters page has names and nationalities wrong, though; the scientist was Viktor Schauberger, not Victor Schamber). Jan van Helsing is probably the one who did the most thorough research on the subject. His book, Secret Societies in the 20th Century, can be found online for free. It is, by the way, forbidden in the Federal Republic of Germany (which is a corporation, just like the US, CA, etc).


My research has shown that Germany and Japan have both collaborated ever since WWII and both have continued the economic warfare, and won it.

Which Germany are you referring to? ;) I'm assuming the Germans were still efficient and hard-working in the early years of Project 'Let's destroy the Germans,' initiated by Rockefeller, I think, so yes, it's no surprise if they continued to collaborate with the Japanese, an equally efficient people.


Is this viewpoint understood by Germans, or is it also kept hidden from most people there as well? I can remember living in Germany in the late 1980s and the people my age would not speak of WWII. Things have changed, I am sure.

I can't answer it, since I've not lived there since 1983, aside from two shortish stints of 9 months and 18 months during which I was busy either working or keeping my mouth shut for fear of my opinion being noticed. It's a very free country, as long as you don't question anything that comes from "authorities." If you do, well, it is estimated that currently 20,000 people are in jail for daring to question the past...

[Arrowwind]

So are these files to include Hitler's Germanys exploits into antigravity and all the machines that they made?

[karelia]

So are these files to include Hitler's Germanys exploits into antigravity and all the machines that they made?

~gigglesnort~ Naturally. Because all governments always tell the truth and nothing but the truth, and they have nothing to hide.

[Mark]

Hi Karelia! Thanks for taking the time:

Yes, I have no doubt those are true (the Foo Fighters page has names and nationalities wrong, though; the scientist was Viktor Schauberger, not Victor Schamber). Jan van Helsing is probably the one who did the most thorough research on the subject. His book, Secret Societies in the 20th Century, can be found online for free. It is, by the way, forbidden in the Federal Republic of Germany (which is a corporation, just like the US, CA, etc).

Sorry about that webpage. I did not do my own due diligence and give you a page of worth, just found something quickly that kinda talked about some of these things to give an idea. I recognize that it was a bit simple and, as you've pointed out, has some wrong information. My bad.

What an idea tht was, hm? Make corporations with the same rights as people, since they were already stand-ins for European governments during the colonization era, taking their profits and diffusing them throughout the governmental structure while retaining their private and accumulative nature, leaving them free of official sanction or responsibility to continue their material resource depredations across the world. Pure evil genius.


Which Germany are you referring to? ;) I'm assuming the Germans were still efficient and hard-working in the early years of Project 'Let's destroy the Germans,' initiated by Rockefeller, I think, so yes, it's no surprise if they continued to collaborate with the Japanese, an equally efficient people.

LOL I think I am aware of the difference between Nazi International, which has no borders, literally, and the Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Although I recognize that to most to speak of these things in so offhand a manner would seem to be the heights of insanity as most everybody believes that Germany and Japan lost the war and the the Allied powers were the victors instead of the silent collaborators in the dispersal of German money, science and personnel across a few key nations, where they continued their research and plans of world domination on the economic and technological front instead of the battle front.

In my understanding, the Japanese were the lesser partners, but they were connected by philosophy and also by some ancient blood resonance, as the Ainu of Japan are considered a Caucasian people and there is some evidence that the language they spoke was related to indo-european languages and possibly Tibet and India and, through those countries, Aryan Germany.


It's a very free country, as long as you don't question anything that comes from "authorities." If you do, well, it is estimated that currently 20,000 people are in jail for daring to question the past...

Wow. I had no idea it was that hardcore. I knew that a lot of stuff was verboten, but damn. That's almost as bad as the political prisoner population in the US.

[Carmody]

eclipse coming up on December 10th, 2011

those crazy folks, they just love their astrology.....

http://astro.ukho.gov.uk/eclipse/1612011/

[karelia]

Sorry about that webpage. I did not do my own due diligence and give you a page of worth, just found something quickly that kinda talked about some of these things to give an idea. I recognize that it was a bit simple and, as you've pointed out, has some wrong information. My bad.

No worries at all. I just wanted to point it out for anyone new to the subject matter. It wouldn't help them to google names that aren't right.


LOL I think I am aware of the difference between Nazi International, which has no borders, literally, and the Bundesrepublik Deutschland. Although I recognize that to most to speak of these things in so offhand a manner would seem to be the heights of insanity as most everybody believes that Germany and Japan lost the war and the the Allied powers were the victors instead of the silent collaborators in the dispersal of German money, science and personnel across a few key nations, where they continued their research and plans of world domination on the economic and technological front instead of the battle front.
Actually, having researched the subject on and off for a number of years, I'm pretty sure that the 'left-overs' of the Hitler era, those loyal to Germany, are probably what scares the jeebees out of the Bastards-in-Power. If you really look for it, you'll find all sorts of little indications that they exist (rumoured as Third Power or Unknown Power generally) and that they do not fear the cabal. Look at UFOs; how often are they described as tall and blond and/or Nordic appearance? Those are not "Nazi International" no doubt. I guess that, though, would be a subject for a different thread, if related.


Wow. I had no idea it was that hardcore. I knew that a lot of stuff was verboten, but damn. That's almost as bad as the political prisoner population in the US.

Apparently, Germany has the highest number of psychiatric units in the world. Telling, right?

[Mark]

Actually, having researched the subject on and off for a number of years, I'm pretty sure that the 'left-overs' of the Hitler era, those loyal to Germany, are probably what scares the jeebees out of the Bastards-in-Power. If you really look for it, you'll find all sorts of little indications that they exist (rumoured as Third Power or Unknown Power generally) and that they do not fear the cabal. Look at UFOs; how often are they described as tall and blond and/or Nordic appearance? Those are not "Nazi International" no doubt. I guess that, though, would be a subject for a different thread, if related.

Indeed, the Nordics, supposedly from the Pleides, right? Nietzche's Ubermensh, perchance? I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that Hitler spoke of meeting such a being once. I've never been able to find any reference to this since. In the states, there are many indications hidden in plain sight. Culture, business, attitudinal.

I would be very interested to know what it is, in particular, that scares the PTW about them specifically, in your opinion?


Apparently, Germany has the highest number of psychiatric units in the world. Telling, right?

Hm. I'm reminded of the Ship of Fools that used to travel the Rhine river, the screams from which used to haunt the nightmares of many and become the stuff of nightmares for generations. Many things ubiquitous throughout the West had their origins or evolved to a higher state of manifestation in Germany.

Perhaps you are right about the thread, although I think we are still on topic. :)

[karelia]

Indeed, the Nordics, supposedly from the Pleides, right? Nietzche's Ubermensh, perchance? I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that Hitler spoke of meeting such a being once. I've never been able to find any reference to this since.

One says Venus, one or several say Pleiades, perhaps some say Aldebaran... As to Nietzsche, it's been a couple of decades since I read the material, and I clearly wasn't ready then, since I barely remember anything.

I don't recall coming across Hitler meeting such a being, but then I've no doubt still a lot to read up on.


In the states, there are many indications hidden in plain sight. Culture, business, attitudinal.

Yes. You can see them pretty much everywhere in the Western world, not just North America.


I would be very interested to know what it is, in particular, that scares the PTW about them specifically, in your opinion?

I suspect fearlessness, though I'm sure other factors are involved, such as spiritual knowledge that is based on comprehension through learning rather than indoctrinated from early age. Imagine growing up in an environment, be it the rumoured bases in S. America or the rumoured Neuschwabenland, where there is no immediate threat, where your nightmares, should you ever have any, are soothed by parents who KNOW rather than simply following society's rule of the day, where you will never be injected with poison, where your food will be nutritious rather than masked as such, etc, etc, etc. Imagine how strong the people are who grow up in such an environment. Just being born there gives you a headstart of hundreds of years.


Hm. I'm reminded of the Ship of Fools that used to travel the Rhine river, the screams from which used to haunt the nightmares of many and become the stuff of nightmares for generations. Many things ubiquitous throughout the West had their origins or evolved to a higher state of manifestation in Germany.

Fantasy, the weaving of stories born from a tiny legend, just like music, is an art. The Germans are very good at art.


Perhaps you are right about the thread, although I think we are still on topic. :)

:focus: So now you know the many reasons why I don't hold out any hope whatsoever that this UFO "Disclosure" will yield any new results.

[The One]

So now you know the many reasons why I don't hold out any hope whatsoever that this UFO "Disclosure" will yield any new results.

Spot on just take a look at all the other countries that have released their files are we any further forward NO we are not.

[RMorgan]

I was also excited when Brazil announced it would release its UFO files...However, I was very disappointed when I´ve found out that it released only files with minor importance.

I think the real ultra-classified files are beyond the control of any government.

[buckminster fuller]

Indeed, the Nordics, supposedly from the Pleides, right? Nietzche's Ubermensh, perchance? I remember reading somewhere a long time ago that Hitler spoke of meeting such a being once. I've never been able to find any reference to this since.

I remember hitler quoted as saying "I have met men from the future" and telling he got scared of that encounter.

[STATIC]

Actually, having researched the subject on and off for a number of years, I'm pretty sure that the 'left-overs' of the Hitler era, those loyal to Germany, are probably what scares the jeebees out of the Bastards-in-Power. If you really look for it, you'll find all sorts of little indications that they exist (rumoured as Third Power or Unknown Power generally) and that they do not fear the cabal. Look at UFOs; how often are they described as tall and blond and/or Nordic appearance? Those are not "Nazi International" no doubt. I guess that, though, would be a subject for a different thread, if related.

This is a little off topic,
but a short story if I may...

My Father Is German And my mother American.
I was born in michigan but moved to Germany when I was 4. When we arrived at the Frankfurt airport; As we were going through international customs something strange happened. I have blond hair and blue eyes mind you.
As we were about to pass through customs an agent stopped us and asked me and my dad to come into a side room. Because we were immigrating and my father was German, the customs agent asked me on the spot if I would like to become a German citizen. My Father at the time was very much in love with america and knew that because I had blonde hair and blue eyes and was half German by blood, it was not necessary to do so at the time. The agent however was willing to do this on the spot. Germany back then and still has a lot of people that come to Germany to live and work. Out of 90million people, More than 16 million people are of foreign/immigrant descent (first and second generation, including mixed heritage and ethnic German repatriates and their descendants). I think that it is interesting that an international customs agent has obviously been given the power to do something like this.

[buckminster fuller]

Actually, having researched the subject on and off for a number of years, I'm pretty sure that the 'left-overs' of the Hitler era, those loyal to Germany, are probably what scares the jeebees out of the Bastards-in-Power. If you really look for it, you'll find all sorts of little indications that they exist (rumoured as Third Power or Unknown Power generally) and that they do not fear the cabal. Look at UFOs; how often are they described as tall and blond and/or Nordic appearance? Those are not "Nazi International" no doubt. I guess that, though, would be a subject for a different thread, if related.

This is a little off topic,
but a short story if I may...

My Father Is German And my mother American.
I was born in michigan but moved to Germany when I was 4. When we arrived at the Frankfurt airport; As we were going through international customs something strange happened. I have blond hair and blue eyes mind you.
As we were about to pass through customs an agent stopped us and asked me and my dad to come into a side room. Because we were immigrating and my father was German, the customs agent asked me on the spot if I would like to become a German citizen. My Father at the time was very much in love with america and knew that because I had blonde hair and blue eyes and was half German by blood, it was not necessary to do so at the time. The agent however was willing to do this on the spot. Germany back then and still has a lot of people that come to Germany to live and work. Out of 90million people, More than 16 million people are of foreign/immigrant descent (first and second generation, including mixed heritage and ethnic German repatriates and their descendants). I think that it is interesting that an international customs agent has obviously been given the power to do something like this.

It might have to do with the fact that demographically, Germany has an ageing population...

[STATIC]

Sure it does. I guess what I was trying to convey with the story was that the Ideas that Hitler was trying to execute during world war 2 did not completely die out, dare I say not even remotely die out. Look at whats going on right now in the world. There is a faction of world dominators that are fallowing through with the same old games that Hitler was playing. I think that there are obviously some people in german politics that want at least a part of what Hitler was dreaming of to become there reality. The E.U seems like a prime example for this.

[Mark]

One says Venus, one or several say Pleiades, perhaps some say Aldebaran... As to Nietzsche, it's been a couple of decades since I read the material, and I clearly wasn't ready then, since I barely remember anything.

It is my understanding that these are seedings of earth-stock on other planets, not the other way around. That humans have been taken from earth and also have potentially traveled from earth under their own steam to other systems to inhabit. I read a document recently called Alien Mind (http://exopoliticshongkong.com/uploads/Alien_Mind_a_Primer_book.pdf) that gave me a lot to consider regarding humanity's place in the cosmos.


I suspect fearlessness, though I'm sure other factors are involved, such as spiritual knowledge that is based on comprehension through learning rather than indoctrinated from early age. Imagine growing up in an environment, be it the rumoured bases in S. America or the rumoured Neuschwabenland, where there is no immediate threat, where your nightmares, should you ever have any, are soothed by parents who KNOW rather than simply following society's rule of the day, where you will never be injected with poison, where your food will be nutritious rather than masked as such, etc, etc, etc. Imagine how strong the people are who grow up in such an environment. Just being born there gives you a headstart of hundreds of years.

Good points, I thought it might have been something like that. Having access to certain truths, such as the eternal nature of the soul, a real understanding of what this planet is and what our lives are would contribute quite heavily to that fearlessness. A sound body and mind can only help.


Fantasy, the weaving of stories born from a tiny legend, just like music, is an art. The Germans are very good at art.

Now this is very interesting. Considering that the world is basically a fantasy right now, one woven by dream masters.


I remember hitler quoted as saying "I have met men from the future" and telling he got scared of that encounter.

Yes! Glad to hear I'm not the only one who ever read that. Wish I could find it again!