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The One
4th December 2011, 18:22
I've always tried to maintain an open-minded attitude towards history, but even I was incredulous when I first heard this suggestion. And you certainly won't find it in most history books! Could it possibly be true?mmmmmmmm its very debatable but hey what is true as recorded per history

View across Plaza Norte to Temple One

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evidence comes from the Mayan site at Comalcalco, in the swampy Gulf coast state of Tabasco. Comalcalco ("in the house of the comals"; comals are the pans used to cook tortillas) is the westernmost Mayan site known to archaeologists. The site has stepped pyramids and numerous other constructions. Only when you get close do you realize that Comalcalco is very different to other Mayan sites.

Virtually all other Mayan sites are built using carefully-hewn blocks of limestone, the commonest building stone on the Yucatan peninsula. However, Comalcalco is unique; its pyramids are built of bricks. No limestone outcrops near Comalcalco, so the local Maya employed an entirely different strategy in building the site. They learned how to shape the local clay into bricks and then fire it into "tabiques" (fired bricks). The site has more than 300 distinct constructions, almost all built of bricks: hundreds of thousands of tabiques, held together by a mortar made mainly from oyster shells.

Mayan brick wall

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I visited it only because I wanted to see exactly what a brick-built pyramid looked like close up. I was impressed by the workmanship, and marveled at the organization required to build such a site. What I did not realize until many years later was that Comalcalco held another massive secret. (Now, I really want to go back again!)

Archaeologists working to restore the site discovered that many of the bricks had inscriptions on them. These inscriptions had been invisible, hidden from view, while the bricks had been set in mortar. Dislodged bricks, and those removed for resetting as part of the restoration process, often bore mysterious symbols or inscriptions. In some cases, the brick makers' fingerprints were still clearly visible.

Neil Steede, an archaeologist working on the site, studied almost 5,000 bricks, and photographed the inscriptions he found on about 1,500 of them. Most of the symbols or inscriptions have been interpreted as masons' signs. The really curious thing is that these marks turn out to be virtually identical to the masons' marks used by the Romans, half a world away. Steede was led to the astonishing conclusion that, "The illustrated bricks of Comalcalco are pieces to a grand puzzle, whose completed, final image may reveal a Roman Christian presence in the Americas a thousand years before the arrival of Columbus."

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The diagram compares some of the marks found at Comalcalco (on the right) with those found at Roman sites (on the left). The similarities are truly amazing!

Some researchers have also claimed that the dimensions of the bricks (more like flat tiles than conventional bricks) and some of the architectural details are more Roman than Mayan. Any Roman connection to the Americas would pre-date Columbus by a thousand years.

Proponents of early contacts from across the Atlantic claim that the Indian Satavahana Dynasty, dating from about 200 BC to 200 AD, had developed extensive trade connections with Rome, and that Brahmi script soon reached Comalcalco. The technology to make kiln-fired bricks appears to be similar in parts of South East Asia and Comalcalco. As further support, they cite the urn burials found at Comalcalco, which they claim were virtually contemporary with similar burials in India.

Comalcalco brick with lizard
CECOM museum, Villahermosa

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Evidence from the inscribed bricks shows that when the site was at its peak, during Classic times, it was a close ally of (or possibly controlled by) the powerful Mayan leaders residing at Palenque. Artifacts found at Comalcalco suggest additional links to Mayan sites as far away as Tikal (in Guatemala).

Visitors today do not see the site as it looked in Mayan times. The Chontal Maya who built Comalcalco covered the exterior surfaces of all the bricks with stucco; remnants of the original stucco can still be seen in some places. Then, for further decoration, they carved ornate reliefs into the stucco, so the site would have been far more colorful then than it looks now.

Clyde Winters and Neil Steede explored the iconography of the symbols carved in Comalcalco bricks in some detail. Winters, an expert on Olmec script, which pre-dates the rise of the Maya, quickly recognized that one particular brick (T1 452 R16) was very special, since it had both Olmec and Maya script side by side. 3 Winters translated the Olmec script, and Steede worked on the Maya script, independently, before comparing notes. Their work showed that the two scripts told the same tale. The left hand side was essentially a translation of the right hand side; the brick was bilingual!

Ancient trade school?

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After examining many more bricks from the site, Winters came to believe that Comalcalco may well have been the Mayan equivalent of a trade school, where scribes learned Mayan writing (translating Olmec glyphs), and (perhaps) where construction crews practised their building techniques.

I have absolutely no idea what the truth is, but Comalcalco has me enthralled. Its bricks may eventually reveal far more stories than we ever thought possible. The secrets of its master masons may yet come back to life!

For more photos of the site.

More pictures of the site can be seen at http://www.delange.org/Comalcalco/Comalcalco.htm

http://www.mexconnect.com/articles/1241-did-you-know-mayan-pyramid-in-tabasco-mexico-has-possible-roman-links

baddbob
4th December 2011, 18:34
Wow thanks for the post. Theres some awsome artifacts there at the museum

http://www.delange.org/Comalcalco3/Comalcalco3.htm

Cartomancer
4th December 2011, 18:49
That is a very interesting site. I will look into that more closely. There are lots of strange scripts coming to light recently. It does look as if there was an entire unrecorded history of North America prior to what we are being told.A coulple of those symbols also match the earliest form of Cuneiform writing from Mesopotamia. I see clearly the sign for "gate to heaven" there. Great post.

geoff
4th December 2011, 18:59
I first heard about that site recently very interesting

Mark (Star Mariner)
4th December 2011, 19:14
Awesome, thanks for the info! Always been very interested in Mayan and ancient American cultures, and I was lucky enough to visit Chichen-Itza in the Yukatan some years back. A wonderful experience...

Bryn ap Gwilym
4th December 2011, 19:50
http://www.mexconnect.com/mex_/travel/tonysarticles/images/comalcalco-bricks-signs.gif

This seems to be Coelbren ancient Cymraeg which the english & Co establishment tries to make out as a 18th century fraud.

1derer
4th December 2011, 19:54
Good find The One, a very interesting take on this topic. In 2012, it is said that the Mexican government will release information to the world that must come out before 2012, so brace yourselves for an interesting revelations from that part of the world...

In Hinduism it is written that the Gods used a type of flying chariots known as Vimanas, that would carry them from place to place, and if this is true then perhaps they were citing some form of UFO which if transporting people form different locations, which could have carried the stonemasons from place to place as they created pyramidic structures the world over.

1derer
4th December 2011, 20:07
If you would like to know more about the 2012 Mayan revelations story go here...

http://thetruthbehindthescenes.wordpress.com/2011/10/07/ufos-aliens-visited-the-mayans-evidence-held-back-by-guatamala-mexican-govts-exposed/

music
4th December 2011, 20:54
Trade and influence between The Mediterranean powers (including Egypt) is pretty much proven in my book. For starters, Barry Fell's (http://www.faculty.ucr.edu/~legneref/bronze/fellview.htm) 1976 book "America BC" tells of Pheonicean exploration and establishment of trading settlements peopled by Iberian Celts, from the Mississippi delta to the Mohawk lands, from Oklahoma to New England. Celtic longbarrows and tumuli in New England, Ogham inscriptions, linguistic parities between Algonquin and Gaelic, and a 12 or 13th century knight's tomb with carven lid (in Georgia or Virginia I think). Monuments dedicated to the Pheonicean God Baal were also found, interesting in the light of information from Illuminati defectors such as Svali (who maintains that a large gold statue of Baal is installed and worshipped on an estate in Quebec), and other authors who maintain that worship of dark gods has occurred unbroken since pre-historic times in North America.

This entry in sh*tipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-Columbian_trans-oceanic_contact) ignores any evidence that could possibly tie in to the existence of long term cabalistic practices in the Americas, in fact it discounts any contact pre Lief Ericson (including the "cocaine muumies", save some minor Polynnesian contact. But then, wikipedia is dodgy as hell! Read the wikipedia article and research all the things it glosses over - that will give you the true picture.