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ktlight
6th December 2011, 09:14
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"Astronomers report that they have discovered the most gigantic black holes ever found in the universe, an abyss 10 times the size of our solar system, encompassing regions or "event horizons" about five times the distance from the sun to Pluto or about 2,500 times as massive as the black hole at the center of the Milky Way.

The biggest of of these monsters, which weighs as much as 21 billion Suns, is in an egg-shaped galaxy known as NGC 4889, the brightest galaxy in the Coma cluster of thousands of galaxies about 335 million light-years away. The image at bottom of page shows the central region of the Coma cluster, with giant elliptical galaxies NGC 4889 and NGC 4874.

The other newly discovered beast, the equivalent of 9.7 billion Suns, is in the center of NGC 3842, a galaxy that anchors another swirl of stars known as Abell 1367, 331 million light-years away in Leo.

"These two black holes are significantly more massive than predicted," the astronomers wrote. They said their calculations suggest that different evolutionary processes influence the growth of the largest galaxies and their black holes than in smaller galaxies. Astronomers have long suspected that since the universe began it has harboured black holes with a mass the size of the two newly found giants.

Chung-Pei Ma, led a team of University of California, Berkeley astronomers who used the Gemini and Keck observatories in Hawaii and the McDonald Observatory in Texas and outer space to weigh the black holes in the centers of galaxies by clocking the speeds of stars orbiting around them; the faster the stars are going, the more gravity — and thus mass — is needed to keep the stars from flying away. They report their work in the journal Nature, which will be published online on Wednesday.

These cosmic gluttons grow in tandem with their galaxies, slurping up gases, planets and stars. "There is a symbiotic relationship between black holes and their galaxies that has existed since the dawn of time," Kevin Schawinski, a Yale astronomer said in a June study.

Martin Rees, a cosmologist at Cambridge University, called the new work “an incremental step,” noting that the study of these monsters has been a part of his life for a long time. “It’s good to learn about even bigger ones,” he said.

One question astronomers would like answered is how these black holes got so big, billions of times bigger than a typical dead star. Dr. Ma described it as a kind of nature-versus-nurture argument, explaining that black holes could grow by merging with other black holes as galaxies merge to get bigger — “nature” — or by swallowing gas around them — “nurture.”

“Our discovery of extremely massive black holes in the largest present-day galaxies suggests that these galaxies could be the ancient remains of voracious ancestors," said McConnell. Astronomers think the supermassive black holes in galaxies could be the missing link between the quasars of early universe that were powered by giant black holes in gargantuan feeding frenzies, spewing massive amounts of energy into space."

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whenyournex2me
7th December 2011, 06:05
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wkjlQW6RpRc

MiguelQ
7th December 2011, 15:42
Our solar system has life on earth, we don't know if more life exists within our system
But our solar system is in a galaxy that holds more trillions of other solar systems.
Now that pic, has hundreds of galaxy...
Can't you do math?
Of course on that pic, must have life. Otherwise it would go against the odds.

Limor Wolf
7th December 2011, 16:04
I have read about it in the newspaper,luckiely there were some responses that doubted that our astronomers can "discover the most gigantic black holes ever found in the universe", since our universe is so vast and our (science) knowledge of it is so minimal,such a discovery can be accompanied with the words:-"to the best of our knowledge.."

Since a black hole is supposed to be a star that is collapsing into itself,and Einstein's theory proclaims that strong distortions occur in the structure of its space,it could be most interesting if we could ever find out,what were those two masive black holes originated from and what caused them to collapse,what is their nature now,and how it effects their galaxies and beyond them.There are some speculations to this questions,but I wish we could know for sure.

MiguelQ
7th December 2011, 16:18
I think science and many official jobs are full of flaws.
Because of the secrecy act.

Limor Wolf
7th December 2011, 16:36
Also because of the lacking tools to understand the great depth of our true reality.The tool box is missing some important parts.

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(Thats not to belittle the important work that our physicist and astronomers are doing).

Seikou-Kishi
7th December 2011, 16:52
Maybe this is supposed to make us feel small and vulnerable and scared of the gargantuan powers of space.

toad
7th December 2011, 20:21
Also because of the lacking tools to understand the great depth of our true reality.The tool box is missing some important parts.

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(Thats not to belittle the important work that our physicist and astronomers are doing).

As we create more tools we discover new depths in our reality and we end up needing new and more tools. Goes along with the whole 'the more you learn the less you know'

BestLion
24th December 2011, 16:09
ince a black hole is supposed to be a star that is collapsing into itself,and Einstein's theory proclaims that strong distortions occur in the structure of its space
I for one don't agree with Einsteins theory./ I am of the persuasion of a plasma universe. And i also am very skeptical on these 'black holes' and what they are or really are. I dont buy into the theory they are collapsed suns.
I tend to think they are dimensionless and inner galactic portals to other dimensions.

NeverMind
24th December 2011, 17:14
The tool box is missing some important parts.
:sarcastic:

You can say that again!
This is the best summation of what's wrong that I've read in a long time. :-)

whenyournex2me
19th June 2013, 22:11
if by this you mean other states of vibrations which matter exists in, then I would agree. and I can see how the collapse of a massive star can create in irreversible effect, implosion, maybe say in which a direction matter can move in, where it infinitely moves to.
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/05/30/science/faster-than-light-maybe-but-not-back-to-the-future.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm