Would you pay for something that doesn't work??

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well would you ... ?

Bet we do and are doing so right now.

Think about it if you bought a washing machine and it wasn't working...what would you do...you would return it back and demand another one, or ask for your money back...and rightly so. If you recieved a bill for electricity that you never used...you wouldn't pay for it would you? If you paid for a service from a contractor and they were not doing the job properly, again you wouldn't pay for it.

So why on earth are we still paying our taxes for something that offers us NOWT?

We pay taxes in one form or another- mostly income and sales taxes.

The government uses your tax dollars/pounds/euros ect to support Social Security, health care,national defense and social services,public services food stamps and housing ect. But none of this is working is it? Its all broken...so why are we still paying for something that clearly doesn't work???

And we pay the government for running our country in a manner that we all are happy with.... oh really give me a friggin break...WHAT A COCK UP...AND DON'T BLAME IT ON THE PREVIOUS MANAGMENT YOU'RE ALL TO BLAME!!

I say stop paying your taxes until they can introduce a system that works...if its not working...don't buy it!! ...why pay for a service thats faulty ...

I sit here contemplating on doing my returns ... HELLO MR GOVERNMENT ... TELL ME WHY???

IF IT DOESNT WORK ...STOP PAYING FOR IT

Grrrrrr...

viking

[Daft Ada]

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know how it's done in the states but in UK they take the taxes out of our salary before we get it, so there is no way we can stop them

[RMorgan]

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know how it's done in the states but in UK they take the taxes out of our salary before we get it, so there is no way we can stop them

Here in Brazil is the same thing.

Anyway, taxes are everywhere. Whenever you buy something, it has taxes built-in, so there´s no way out.

Cheers,

Raf.

[panopticon]

G'day Daft Ada,

As far as I'm aware if you're willing to cover your own sick pay, holiday pay and superannuation and your present employer is in agreement then it is possible to be classified as a sub/contractor (at least in Australia) for PAYG withholding purposes. This does change the permanency of your job as well so that needs to be taken into consideration.
You'd need to do your home work (lots of it!) and research what are the benefits to you etc and whether it is plausible under the UK system as I have no idea.
So it maybe possible but I don't know whether the extra paper work and drama's would make it really worth it (unless your planning a "Freeman" type defence) just to get a bill in a few years when they work out you haven't paid for awhile.
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

Addendum:
Here's the ATO page: How to determine if workers are employees or independent contractors (http://www.ato.gov.au/content/4540.htm).
There's always ways around the stricter definitions of contractor/employee but it really depends on a lot of variables (job type being a big one).

[Eric J (Viking)]

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know how it's done in the states but in UK they take the taxes out of our salary before we get it, so there is no way we can stop them

Yes you are spot on Dafty ... it maddening to see a large percenetage of your hard earned money taken out of your pay cheque, and you can nothing about it!

If you are self employed then its a different kettle of fish...

viking

[Cjay]

As far as I'm aware if you're willing to cover your own sick pay, holiday pay and superannuation and your present employer is in agreement then it is possible to be classified as a sub/contractor (at least in Australia) for PAYG withholding purposes. This does change the permanency of your job as well so that needs to be taken into consideration.

That's correct Panopticon. I'm so lucky (not), I have a company and so they charge me all kinds of extra taxes and fees and now $1,500 in frigging fines and then compounding interest for being a minute late (ok three years late) on pieces of paper with zeros on them. What a system!

[panopticon]

G'day Cjay,

Been there, done that, I feel your pain...
Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[Unified Serenity]

Yeh, we do it collectively all the time, it's called welfare....

[Eric J (Viking)]

Found this ... I'm trying to find out if this applies to UK ... anyone?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r37Fm7paVjs&feature=share

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

Interesting article here...

http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/is_income_tax_legal

Dear Sirs,

You may consider my request for information to be under the Freedom
of Information Act, or just simply a question from a concerned
Human Being, native to the Country commonly called England (having
been born therein), and it being your duty, as a public body, to
honourably answer questions about your activities.

I realise that you operate under Statutes, but they are of no
concern, so please be so kind as not to bother quoting them in
response, for the simple reason that they will not answer my
question, as you will see when reading further.

I suggest that, as a first step, you should read the article on
this link:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/...

Now, the point is this. From the information in that article you
will comprehend, I’m sure, that the actions of the U.K. Government,
in waging war in Afghanistan and Iraq, causing the deaths of
innocent civilians are illegal in law. And they constitute the
crimes of genocide and a crime against peace. And that the actions
of British taxpayers, in paying taxes to HM Government, which uses
them to finance the war and the killing of Iraqi nationals,
constitute crimes of 'conduct ancillary to genocide' and
‘complicity in a crime against peace’.

The law states that:

'It is an offence against the law of England and Wales for a person
to commit genocide, a crime against humanity or a war crime, or to
engage in conduct ancillary to such an act. This applies to acts
committed in England and Wales or outside the United Kingdom by a
U.K. national, resident or person subject to U.K. service
jurisdiction.' See: International Criminal Court Act 2001
http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc...

'Genocide' means any of the following acts committed with intent to
destroy in whole or in part a national, ethnic, racial or religious
group as such (a) killing members of the group; (b) causing serious
bodily or mental harm to members of the group; (c) deliberately
inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring
about its physical destruction in whole or in part..

Whosoever shall aid, abet, counsel or procure the commission of any
indictable offence, whether the same be an offence at common law or
by virtue of any Act passed or to be passed, shall be liable to be
tried, indicted, and punished as a principal offender. See:
Accessories and Abettors Act 1861
http://www.statutelaw.gov.uk/content.asp...

Please also consult: Charter of the United Nations
http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc...
and Evidence of Genocide - Crime Report
http://www.expose-the-system.org/resourc...

Therefore, in summary, the payment of taxes, collected on behalf of
the UK Government, must constitute ‘aiding and abetting’ war crimes
as defined.

Therefore those who collect these taxes must also constitute
‘aiding and abetting’ war crimes as defined.

So how, bearing in mind what is presented herein, how do you
justify what you do as NOT ‘aiding and abetting’ the war crimes
committed by the UK Government under their own so-called ‘rule of
law’?

I ask this because I cannot, for the life of me, think of an
honourable answer My Self.

Please read this information very carefully before responding.
Thank you.

Sincerely without ill-will, vexation, or frivolity,

Veronica: of the Chapman family. (a sovereign Human Being born in
the Country commonly called England)

~~~~~~~~

viking

[Jenci]

I agree with the sentiment, but I don't know how it's done in the states but in UK they take the taxes out of our salary before we get it, so there is no way we can stop them

We've got to pay our taxes, the government is skint ! :rolleyes:

Jeanette