VOTING- just a waste of time and effort

[crested-duck]

This topic is probably old-news to a lot of PA, but I'm sure younger members are not fully aware of WHY. Here's my attempt to spread truth today:Article two of the constitution established the electoral college method of presidential elections. Each state is allocated a number of electors that is equeal to the size of it's delegation in both the houses of Congress combined.The District of Columbia, in 1961, was granted a number of electors equeal to those of the least populated state.US territories are not represented in the Electoral College. The members of the Electoral College in turn directly elect the Pres. and Vise Pres.. Since the first election,held in 1789 with George Washington being elected,elections have been held every 4 years since on the tuesday between Nov2-Nov8. In 2012 it will be Nov 6th. Now heres the problem at it's core---These members of the Electoral College are supposed to impose the will of the people they represent in each state they are from. The reason was originally because people lived scattered everywhere and it's impossible to get everyone together to vote in Washington then. These Electorate's can and do vote what they want, and most always vote opposite of the people they're supposed to represent. The game was rigged from it's beginning till this very day. Going to vote locally for a president is a useless exercise to make you feel like you have a say in it. But you really do'nt matter and never have or will as long as the Electoral College exists and that is a truthfull fact everyone needs to know. Now that you know -spread the truth far and wide for all to understand HOW the game is rigged. sincerely, RWS

[13th Warrior]

Here is something i just learned about last night.

Someone has set up a website to help facilitate 50 state ballet access for any non-party affiliate that would like to run for president.

This is an effort to improve on the two party election system by providing a 3rd option through this website and a delegation process...

http://www.americanselect.org/

I think this is a very good move in the right direction for election reform.


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[RMorgan]

I´ve never understood the USA voting system very well. Why does it have to work that way?

In Brazil, people just vote, and the most voted candidate wins. Every single vote have the same weight and value. It´s that simple.

I consider the Brazilian way of voting to be much better.

Cheers,

Raf.

[TargeT]

I´ve never understood the USA voting system very well. Why does it have to work that way?

In Brazil, people just vote, and the most voted candidate wins. Every single vote have the same weight and value. It´s that simple.

I consider the Brazilian way of voting to be much better.

Cheers,

Raf.

Brazil has a Democracy, the USA has a Republic..

Democracy = Tyranny of the Masses (me and my neighbor could vote to take your house away from you, 'n if it was just us 3 voting you'd lose)

Republic = Individual sovergnty (suposedly... Individual rights trump everything else, the above scenario cannot happen)

the electoral college is neccisary for a REPUBLIC because (as we all here know) the masses are..... the masses, we call them sheeple. do you wan't sheeple to have an equal vote with you? right neither did our founding fathers... haha

State senators (in the US) are SUPPOSE to be "elected" (apointed) by the state, but are now done by "popular vote" (as in brazil) and this is a bad thing.. because people are too easy to manipulate.

[RMorgan]

I´ve never understood the USA voting system very well. Why does it have to work that way?

In Brazil, people just vote, and the most voted candidate wins. Every single vote have the same weight and value. It´s that simple.

I consider the Brazilian way of voting to be much better.

Cheers,

Raf.

Brazil has a Democracy, the USA has a Republic..

Democracy = Tyranny of the Masses (me and my neighbor could vote to take your house away from you, 'n if it was just us 3 voting you'd lose)

Republic = Individual sovergnty (suposedly... Individual rights trump everything else, the above scenario cannot happen)

the electoral college is neccisary for a REPUBLIC because (as we all here know) the masses are..... the masses, we call them sheeple. do you wan't sheeple to have an equal vote with you? right neither did our founding fathers... haha

State senators (in the US) are SUPPOSE to be "elected" (apointed) by the state, but are now done by "popular vote" (as in brazil) and this is a bad thing.. because people are too easy to manipulate.

I agree. People are to easy to manipulate, but what electoral system isn´t easy to manipulate as well?

Regarding Brazil, Democracy and Tyrany, we also have a very well written constitution, which guarantee our rights of property, among other things. Very similar to yours, actually.

There´s no such thing as my neighbors voting for taking my property. Our rights are sovereign as individuals here as well.

By the way, officially, Brazil is called República Federativa do Brasil, which means, Federal Republic of Brazil, so yes, we are a republic, with a different voting system.

Cheers,

Raf.

[TargeT]

I personally feel the whole election system is either completely corrupt, or designed to be a total distraction & not at all what it seems. Either way the out come is the same & I no longer participate (hell even the "sheeple" don't participate,, voting turn out is very low in general).

I supose I should have said we have a Representative republic,, not just a republic ?

I have no doub that with enough money (or hell not even that much money) any celeb from hollywood could be elected to the highest office in the US with very little effort; this is why its good for the electoral college to function the way it does. (americans, in general, are selfish; stupid or niave.. pick any two)

[RMorgan]

I personally feel the whole election system is either completely corrupt, or designed to be a total distraction & not at all what it seems. Either way the out come is the same & I no longer participate (hell even the "sheeple" don't participate,, voting turn out is very low in general).

I supose I should have said we have a Representative republic,, not just a republic ?

I have no doub that with enough money (or hell not even that much money) any celeb from hollywood could be elected to the highest office in the US with very little effort; this is why its good for the electoral college to function the way it does. (americans, in general, are selfish; stupid or niave.. pick any two)

I´m sure about that and I agree. What´s the meaning of election if all the candidates, in the end, are just different faces of the same coin?

As far as I know, both in the USA and Brazil, the candidate who has more money to invest in his campaign, has much bigger chances to win indeed...And, as if it was enough, we still have the media, which is actually the one who chooses who will win or not, using its vast amount of mass manipulation techniques.

In my opinion, the whole system is a fraud, everywhere in the world. Presidents? Presidents are just puppets. They are just the nice looking Public Relations agent of the real powers.

Anyway, even with the electoral college system, the USA has elected many Hollywood celebrities after all, right? :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[DeBron]

I personally feel the whole election system is either completely corrupt, or designed to be a total distraction & not at all what it seems. Either way the out come is the same & I no longer participate (hell even the "sheeple" don't participate,, voting turn out is very low in general).

I supose I should have said we have a Representative republic,, not just a republic ?

I have no doub that with enough money (or hell not even that much money) any celeb from hollywood could be elected to the highest office in the US with very little effort; this is why its good for the electoral college to function the way it does. (americans, in general, are selfish; stupid or niave.. pick any two)


This has Happened more than people realize. Ronald Reagan was a movie star and he was President. Arnold Schwarzenager(sic) was Governor of the most populace State in The USA(California). Jesse Ventura was a Governor- he was a wrestler. A WRESTLER!!! Wrestling here is basically a soap opera for men.

[TargeT]

This has Happened more than people realize. Ronald Reagan was a movie star and he was President. Arnold Schwarzenager(sic) was Governor of the most populace State in The USA(California). Jesse Ventura was a Governor- he was a wrestler. A WRESTLER!!! Wrestling here is basically a soap opera for men.

well, "jesse Ventura" (aka James George Janos ) actually has a brain between his ears; mostly..

I was speaking more to someone like lady GaGa (satanist) or perhaps T-Pain (satanist) or maybe Medona (satanist) Hmm, I'm starting to see a patern here......

[RMorgan]

In the end, hollywood celebrities and politicians are just characters of the same circus.

Here is Brazil, instead of movie celebrities, people elect a lot of ex-football (soccer) players...I guess it´s even worse, because most of them can´t even spell their names correctly.

[crested-duck]

Yes when you finally connect the dots it's truely a very ugly picture to have to look at all the time-You cannot just unlearn something once you really know it . But being aware of real truth about something is a good thing though.

[ghostrider]

America is a representative republic, the congressman gives the electorial votes, so many are needed to win. reguardless of what the people want he can vote the other way. it's insane. the choices for president dont represent me I make less the 22 a year, no harvard education, no sailboat, no million dollar investments, no book deals, no speaking engagements, no radio show, no traveling the world. they have no clue about the working blue collar bloke. tax breaks ? write offs ? kickbacks from corporations ?? naaah they don't represent the common people. when's the last time they pumped their own gas ??? did their own laundry ?? brought their own groceries ?? millionaires representing millionaires taking of the woes of the common folk , what a joke. we need a none of the above box to check. we could get along just fine with a mayor and a state governer. no need for D. C.

[Words of Joy]

In the Netherlands it is about the same as far as voting is concerned. You vote for a party that absolutely has nothing to say in Europe and that's where al the big decissions are made. For example today in our news: European Council President: "Van Rompuy said tighter budget oversight sought by Paris and Berlin for the 17-nation euro area could be achieved quickly with only minor tweaks to the EU treaty, that might not require full ratification procedures in many countries." Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/12/07/eurozone-idUSL5E7N652F20111207

And this is the way these things go in Europe. It's absoluty scandalous. Referenda are being avoided, because they smell like democracy, and we wouldn't want that to work, now do we? :(