Ready for a Revolution?

[ktlight]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

ACX_53Q8kW8


What do you make of this??????

[WhiteFeather]

The Solution Is Revolution! Catchy Phrase Ehh.

[NewFounderHome]

I don’t agree at all with the conclusion of this video. It is nice technology, but etches time technology is pushed in industries it is for a gain in profit. We always go back to the same problem MONEY. Then Money is the problem and not a techno solution. Sorry!!!
There seems to be 2 problems at the tip of the iceberg, side by side.
1. Elite, greed, power hungry, maybe human, control freaks.
2. Money and other values like gold, silver and more, control over power supply and food.

Well that was my 2 cents! HA money again, hihi!!!

[WyoSeeker]

Sweet, now all we need is that technology that takes what's in your head and deposits money in your bank account. Not holding my breath on that. :-)

The point is a good one though, a technological leap could save us. My bet would be on free energy and space travel.

[eric charles]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

[RMorgan]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

[eric charles]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

If the U.S citizenry would get pissed off like the citizens of Greece and Latvia (throwing pipe bombs and Molotox petro cocktails at police) we would have won by now i think !

[Kindred]

Sweet, now all we need is that technology that takes what's in your head and deposits money in your bank account. Not holding my breath on that. :-)

The point is a good one though, a technological leap could save us. My bet would be on free energy and space travel.

I feel we need a reminder, for, truly, we have all the technology we need. Admittedly, much of the 'good stuff', is hidden from view, for now. What humanity is in Desperate Need of is the Spiritual Development necessary to implement said technology in the Most Positive and Beneficial way. For, without Spiritual Development, the use of technology will only succeed in retracing the errors of the past.

And, in the process of this Spiritual Development, we Should come to Realize that we Don't need 'money'. THIS should be humankind's Next Step.

In Unity and Peace

[eric charles]

[QUOTE=WyoSeeker;374319]Sweet, now all we need is that technology that takes what's in your head and deposits money in your bank account. Not holding my breath on that. :-)

The point is a good one though, a technological leap could save us. My bet would be on free energy and space travel.


KINDRED POSTED
I feel we need a reminder, for, truly, we have all the technology we need. Admittedly, much of the 'good stuff', is hidden from view, for now. What humanity is in Desperate Need of is the Spiritual Development necessary to implement said technology in the Most Positive and Beneficial way. For, without Spiritual Development, the use of technology will only succeed in retracing the errors of the past.

And, in the process of this Spiritual Development, we Should come to Realize that we Don't need 'money'. THIS should be humankind's Next Step.

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Kindred you are so right about the , no money needed ! This is the biggest obstacle , the biggest control aspect of everyones lives ! its got us all by the throat !
But we couldnt just abolish the $ situation overnight , we would have to do it gradually , but im afraid we as human being would have one hell of a time adapting !

[jaybee]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

C'mon.....get real

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

I think new technology could be the answer...if it can be brought to the general population and in such a way that it doesn't contribute to
crashing the economy. Although in theory a huge, new technology industry could stimulate the economy???

It surely must be possible for this to happen....somehow :)))

[realitycorrodes]

The last thing we need is money - pieces of paper backed by nothing! That can be legally counterfeited.

New technology in an uncouterfeitable form of "asset exchange" or perhaps old technology "gold and silver".

Free energy - is the technology we have and need to be allowed to use!

Communication technology that cannot be turned off or owned by the slave masters - is the technology we need!

Old technology we need to start using is our "imaginations"!

And unfortunately, we will need guns to protect ourselves - there is no talking mindless greedy power addicted killers out of doing what they have always done which is kill the rest of us for wanting to be free of them! Time to wake up!

[ktlight]

Do not act if you feel violence within. Wait until you settle.

[Mark]

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police? How do you fight the ones who has all the weapons?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

This is a point that I've been making to left-wing revolutionaries for almost two decades now, so yeh, I agree. All those looking to buck the system wanna go into the basement and get their gats (pistols, rifles, etc.), raise up and take on a tank? a drone?




IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

This is why non-participation is a good start. Small communities, bartering, raising food, exchanging services. Larger communities, turn inward and claim land to do the same. Stop playing the game. I agree with those who say money is the problem.

As I was watching that video, all I could think of was, ok, you're talking about repeating the same solutions to the same problem that people have been dealing with for quite a long time now. What the video didn't say was that the modes of production were own by someone else, that the Agricultural Revolution back in 8,000BCE was the beginning of urbanization for mass humanity, or at least, that is the control system version of it. But even in their version they admit that it was for the pleasure of the Elites! That it was so that the hinterlands as agricultural productive regions could serve as support for the urbanites who didn't work! The Priestly classes, the Artists and the Rich.

The same for the Industrial age beginning in the mid 1700s but only arriving in force in the Americas in the mid-1800s. The Elite benefited mostly from that revolution too! They owned the businesses, the received all of the profit and don't get me started on the Corporations, the 16th amendment and corporate personhood as opposed to real personhood as originally intended by the framers of that amendment, resulting in further repression of newly freed slaves and the elevation of the corporation above all.

We need something different. A new type of economy. A new type of thinking. But can we do it, when our movements inevitably try to repeat the past? When the only control structures we know are the ones that result in repression of some people, some time? I also did not appreciate this video's concentration upon the elite class of western knowledge workers, when there are entire countries of industrial and agricultural workers who could use a hand up too.

What about them?

[jaybee]

And unfortunately, we will need guns to protect ourselves - there is no talking mindless greedy power addicted killers out of doing what they have always done which is kill the rest of us for wanting to be free of them! Time to wake up!


and when your ammunition runs out?

or someone with a better gun and more bullets than you turns up?

what then?

[eric charles]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

C'mon.....get real

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

I think new technology could be the answer...if it can be brought to the general population and in such a way that it doesn't contribute to
crashing the economy. Although in theory a huge, new technology industry could stimulate the economy???

It surely must be possible for this to happen....somehow :)))

And you expect us to get this technology how i might ask ? The minute something remoltely interesting is invented it is gobbled up and hidden from us ...... period

and to think they are just going to hand us the tools we need to free ourselves is just a pipe dream , so dont count on anything new on that front

[Ilie Pandia]

I agree with realitycorodes, what we need is Free Energy and to use our imagination! Humans don't dream any more...

We need to revive dreaming and imagine ourselves out of this :)

[RMorgan]

Well, if they really start activating those FEMA camps, I guess the only alternative that the USA citizens will have is to live as slaves or die fighting.

Or maybe they will take people to those FEMA camps claiming they are protecting them from some kind of disease or foreign invasion....Who knows...

Personally, I always prefer the way of peace as well, but I know how to properly use violence if needed.

Cheers,

Raf.

[realitycorrodes]

All I know is that the American constitution was enlightened enough to know governements become corrupt and made sure the people retained their right to have guns - as they knew that the only way to take back control from those who hold the rest of us at gun point is to defend ourselves from them.

Ghandi and Martin Luther King, are false flags - puppets of the agenda - they were on the bankers payrol - gives the people desperate to live in denial "false reason" to do so - keeps the majority in a state of "mindless do nothing, change nothing, righteousness" - time to wake up!

Ignite your imagination - and liberate yourself form your "feel good new age cr@p (NAC)"

The American Indians in the documentary below knew the truth!

End - Civ

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35816-End-Civ-Resist-or-Die&highlight=resist+die

3hx-G1uhRqA

[13th Warrior]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

C'mon.....get real

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

I think new technology could be the answer...if it can be brought to the general population and in such a way that it doesn't contribute to
crashing the economy. Although in theory a huge, new technology industry could stimulate the economy???

It surely must be possible for this to happen....somehow :)))

Ask the Zulu what is possible in the face of superior firepower.

[13th Warrior]

There are two ways this can go:

Peacefully through constitutionally backed court/legal system.

or

Thru violent revolution.


The former will require educated lawyer types to stand up and help the rest of us understand how to achieve this...unfortunately these people are as scares as hens teeth in these parts.

[realitycorrodes]

Unfortunately, the legal option is the killers system - its completely owned by the bankers and fulfuls its agenda - no freedom fighter wins in the pit of deceit called the courts.

Civil Law is the only real law and most are not allowed to use it.

"No contract"

[ktlight]

There are two ways this can go:

Peacefully through constitutionally backed court/legal system.

or

Thru violent revolution.


The former will require educated lawyer types to stand up and help the rest of us understand how to achieve this...unfortunately these people are as scares as hens teeth in these parts.

A lot can be learned from Frank O'Collins. He lives in Sydney, born from Irish and can trace his history/lineage back to biblical times. We can learn a lot about the real law for today and onwards, and Honour.

[Coaxial]

The former will require educated lawyer types to stand up and help the rest of us understand how to achieve this...unfortunately these people are as scares as hens teeth in these parts.

Yes.. I know... We just had one leave the forum for good.
Nugget!

[jaybee]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

C'mon.....get real

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

I think new technology could be the answer...if it can be brought to the general population and in such a way that it doesn't contribute to
crashing the economy. Although in theory a huge, new technology industry could stimulate the economy???

It surely must be possible for this to happen....somehow :)))

And you expect us to get this technology how i might ask ? The minute something remoltely interesting is invented it is gobbled up and hidden from us ...... period

and to think they are just going to hand us the tools we need to free ourselves is just a pipe dream , so dont count on anything new on that front

It doesn't always have to be that way? I'm confident that there are influential clever people applying themselves to the problem....:)

We have already been 'given' a couple of tools......electricity and the internet...

There are entrepreneurs and inventers chomping at the bit, as we speak, I expect. I saw a short video where Richard Branson was speaking in support of
the Occupy Movement the other day.

There has to be a way out of this mess...and at the very least pumping out some positive energy and some good ideas (like Rahkyt did) is better than nothing.

Armed/violent revolution just won't work, imo......I don't like the idea philosophically...but I also think it is unrealistic, as well.

[Patrikas]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

[ktlight]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

As above, so below. As within, so without.

[Mark]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......



Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

As above, so below. As within, so without.

Incorporating this particular understanding into what is going on right now is paramount. This is why a physical revolution has to be accompanied by a spiritual revolution and why just fighting or just the legal system or some combination of both will not work. The cycle for all of that has ended and something new is on the horizon. Perhaps we can see the faintest glimpse of what that is, but in order to get a clearer view we're going to have to go beyond the belief systems, beyond the anger, beyond the vengefulness, beyond the money and dig down deep and find something brand spanking new.

[realitycorrodes]

qI4R1g3YT-s

[jaybee]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......



Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

As above, so below. As within, so without.

Incorporating this particular understanding into what is going on right now is paramount. This is why a physical revolution has to be accompanied by a spiritual revolution and why just fighting or just the legal system or some combination of both will not work. The cycle for all of that has ended and something new is on the horizon. Perhaps we can see the faintest glimpse of what that is, but in order to get a clearer view we're going to have to go beyond the belief systems, beyond the anger, beyond the vengefulness, beyond the money and dig down deep and find something brand spanking new.


Excellent comments...thankyou rahkyt.




Something 'brand spanking new'........(see that Eric Charles....lol)

[eric charles]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

C'mon.....get real

Do you really think a few...or even a few hundred civilians with weapons can out-gun the military and police?

And would we want the shooting/hanging types to become the new leaders.? I don't think so.

IMO...only a (clever) non-violent revolution will work and get us closer to where we want to be.

I think new technology could be the answer...if it can be brought to the general population and in such a way that it doesn't contribute to
crashing the economy. Although in theory a huge, new technology industry could stimulate the economy???

It surely must be possible for this to happen....somehow :)))

And you expect us to get this technology how i might ask ? The minute something remoltely interesting is invented it is gobbled up and hidden from us ...... period

and to think they are just going to hand us the tools we need to free ourselves is just a pipe dream , so dont count on anything new on that front

It doesn't always have to be that way? I'm confident that there are influential clever people applying themselves to the problem....:)

We have already been 'given' a couple of tools......electricity and the internet...

There are entrepreneurs and inventers chomping at the bit, as we speak, I expect. I saw a short video where Richard Branson was speaking in support of
the Occupy Movement the other day.

There has to be a way out of this mess...and at the very least pumping out some positive energy and some good ideas (like Rahkyt did) is better than nothing.

Armed/violent revolution just won't work, imo......I don't like the idea philosophically...but I also think it is unrealistic, as well.

Not unrealistic , it happened in 1776 !

But i agree we should try peaceful means , but it just seems we are screaming into thin air , someone needs to ruffle up the Roosters feathers so to speak

[Jenci]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

ACX_53Q8kW8


What do you make of this??????


Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette

[eric charles]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......



Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

As above, so below. As within, so without.

Incorporating this particular understanding into what is going on right now is paramount. This is why a physical revolution has to be accompanied by a spiritual revolution and why just fighting or just the legal system or some combination of both will not work. The cycle for all of that has ended and something new is on the horizon. Perhaps we can see the faintest glimpse of what that is, but in order to get a clearer view we're going to have to go beyond the belief systems, beyond the anger, beyond the vengefulness, beyond the money and dig down deep and find something brand spanking new.


Excellent comments...thankyou rahkyt.




Something 'brand spanking new'........(see that Eric Charles....lol)

Yes something Brand spanking new agree with that 150% , .... what is it gonna be hihihihhihi

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"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

ACX_53Q8kW8


What do you make of this??????


Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette


Yes but we are billions of years from evoloving into a non physical form

[Patrikas]

Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......



Tp be spiritual in the physical ..... would mean knowing who we are and our true purpose and intent for being here at this particular time ..and would also give us the understanding that this is occurring to the "whole earth" not just the human race.... and that this, is just the microcosm ......

As above, so below. As within, so without.

Incorporating this particular understanding into what is going on right now is paramount. This is why a physical revolution has to be accompanied by a spiritual revolution and why just fighting or just the legal system or some combination of both will not work. The cycle for all of that has ended and something new is on the horizon. Perhaps we can see the faintest glimpse of what that is, but in order to get a clearer view we're going to have to go beyond the belief systems, beyond the anger, beyond the vengefulness, beyond the money and dig down deep and find something brand spanking new.
Yep.....absolutley.......and we might also find that what we are looking for is already here just a waitin for the physical to realise it so it can be put into divine action ......stay well

[Jenci]

Yes but we are billions of years from evoloving into a non physical form


I already am.
So are you.
There's no billions of years away.
It's right here and now. This is the biggest secret that "they" have kept from us and this is the one that really frightens them that we will wake up from so this is why they keep us prisoners of the body/mind believing that this is all we are.

But more and more people are waking up to this and human consciousness is expanding.

Jeanette

[realitycorrodes]

What happened to the non-violent revolutionary activists in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya - I guess there were no non-violent protestors there otherwise they would not have been invaded - because those terrorist countries like America with their guns would have backed down against such powerful non-violent opposition. Open your eyes for goodness sake and see whats going on!

P.S. There were obviously no people in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya who had quite mastered the power of "positive visualisation" as explained and documented in "The Secret" either - those masters of positive visualisation must all live in America - safely tucked away behind the American War machine.

[jaybee]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

ACX_53Q8kW8


What do you make of this??????


Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette

I understand the point you are making.....but while we are in the physical body we have to eat and drink and have somewhere to sleep. Now the world population is so big.....and wood and seeds relatively scarce....what would we do?

We don't have the land anymore. And if we had the land back tomorrow, it would be different to how it was before.....before industrialization. The skills to live off the land was a process of education from one generation to the next.

The only reason we can sit at home and talk on the internet like this is because of technology.

We need a balance, as has been said before in this thread.

I do believe that a different kind of technology to what we have now could make us more free in mind body and spirit.

I actually think that the whole standing stone/ancient monument complex was a kind of technology. I wonder what they did with that. Maybe flying around? Speeding up food production? Far-out spiritual get togethers? Dunno :)

[ktlight]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

What do you make of this??????

Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette

The way I perceive it is that there was a problem, followed by a reaction, followed by a solution. Maybe the best solution when it comes to the presentation, if we desist/deny the inclusion of money, the outcome would have to be different. There may well be free energy in the offering, in which case we definitely do not need money.

[ktlight]

What happened to the non-violent revolutionary activists in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya - I guess there were no non-violent protestors there otherwise they would not have been invaded - because those terrorist countries like America with their guns would have backed down against such powerful non-violent opposition. Open your eyes for goodness sake and see whats going on!

P.S. There were obviously no people in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya who had quite mastered the power of "positive visualisation" as explained and documented in "The Secret" either - those masters of positive visualisation must all live in America - safely tucked away behind the American War machine.

Then we had better hurry up and realise that we are many and they are few. What then?

[spiritguide]

There once was a culture that had all needs for the taking and status was determined by those who gave the most. They gave from the heart and made decisions on how it affected the now and the next three generations. All decisions were made through consensus and only for the positive. The spiritual technology is here in the now and has always been here. It is constantly being suppressed by ego and greed. Know that to overcome the supression is the only way. If not it will be the same path. Valor insures right not strength. We need to learn the virtues of living through the heart and apply them.

:peace:

[LouCypherGeraldo]

Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.- John F Kennedy

I believe we are at this moment in time right now . do or die ! Peaceful activism has utterly and completely failed , now its time to hang the bastards !

I agree. Most US citizens keep saying all the time, with the mouth full of pride, that they have guns, and they have ammo, and all this stuff. The time is coming to turn-on the Dirty Harry mode. The question is: -Will you (US citizens) have the guts to do it? Or your constitutional rights to have guns is only good for killing bears and deers?

If the U.S citizenry would get pissed off like the citizens of Greece and Latvia (throwing pipe bombs and Molotox petro cocktails at police) we would have won by now i think !

Greetings Avalon Forum.

I am an American. I own guns. As everybody here might have already heard, our bought and paid for Congress just passed the NDAA which now designates the American continent as a "battlefield" and authorizes the US military to begin the mass round-ups and arrests of all "dissidents". KBR, who runs the "detention centers" is now looking feverishly for personnel to man the camps and activate the camps.

Yes, I agree that if a large majority rose up tomorrow in armed revolt, the business might be taken care of. The elites, however, seem to WANT a revolt so that they can go hog wild with the brutal crackdown. As the OWS "movement" demonstrates, the majority of my fellow "Americans" are absolutely CLUELESS as to whom it is to attack. I'm disgusted with my fellow Americans. They seem more like hypnotized idiotic materialistic boobs and xombies than anything approximating an aware intelligent human being. These meat puppets only understand bread and circuses, they fairly well WORSHIP football and celebrity nonsense and a huge majority can't even articulate where in the world Iraq is...let alone Canada or Brasil.

Heck, people, the man on the Street doesn't even seem to see the danger of what the NDAA just Passed!!! They think it's hunky dory -- just as long as it's their favorite group to hate that is getting dragged off by the thugs and its not their delusional bubble being pierced by fascism.

So, on that note, I'm curious about how the Avalon Project proposes to remove the New World Order from the throat of humanity once and for all. I'm very concerned about the answer to this question. Because I am a soldier, I have been to war and I know all too well that mindless mob action might be a solution worse than the disease. Do we really want to descend into a Road Warrior society? With mobs of entitlement zombies literally attacking everything and everyone for food, shelter, etc. These crazies will be eating each other in two weeks if the water, electricity, food shelves all get turned off.

Rule #1 of the Resistance: don't tear down the building unless you know exactly how and with what you will replace it with.

Looking forward to your comments.

[Mark]

Greetings Avalon Forum.

welcome to avalon.


... I'm curious about how the Avalon Project proposes to remove the New World Order from the throat of humanity once and for all. I'm very concerned about the answer to this question. Because I am a soldier, I have been to war and I know all too well that mindless mob action might be a solution worse than the disease. Do we really want to descend into a Road Warrior society? With mobs of entitlement zombies literally attacking everything and everyone for food, shelter, etc. These crazies will be eating each other in two weeks if the water, electricity, food shelves all get turned off.

Rule #1 of the Resistance: don't tear down the building unless you know exactly how and with what you will replace it with.

Those "entitlement zombies" you speak of are just like the rest of America that has been dupped willingly, that has chosen to sit and watch the revolution in other countries around the world while refusing to stand up to the powers that keep them repressed at home. If the plans of the NWO are put into place as they stand then those FEMA camps will also be killing fields. Internment camps, ghettos, whatever you want to call them, which will result in the deaths of millions. Many of those will be from the cities and suburbs, at first, as those in the countrysides will take a bit more firepower to get out of the bunkers they've been preparing for years.

It will come down to the military, in the end, IF it remains purely physical in nature, purely earthly in nature. There are indications now that the military is not necessarily going along with these plans to totally upend the constitution and enter open combat on American soil. We shall certainly see in the near future whether this is true or not. Those who control are really a relative minority and if they cannot control the military then their plans cannot come to fruition.

[Jenci]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

What do you make of this??????

Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette

The way I perceive it is that there was a problem, followed by a reaction, followed by a solution. Maybe the best solution when it comes to the presentation, if we desist/deny the inclusion of money, the outcome would have to be different. There may well be free energy in the offering, in which case we definitely do not need money.


That's a good point about the money. The whole system is based on money - or their control through the use of it. Take money out of the equation then you have a different problem, reaction, solution.

Jeanette

[jaybee]

What happened to the non-violent revolutionary activists in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya - I guess there were no non-violent protestors there otherwise they would not have been invaded - because those terrorist countries like America with their guns would have backed down against such powerful non-violent opposition. Open your eyes for goodness sake and see whats going on!

we know what's going on, thankyou. You're not the only one.

Afganistan, Iraq, libya were manipulated/wrecked by Western military with advanced technology. Although at the end of the day the Improvised Explosive Device might win the day in Afganistan? But that's another story.

We are within the West (most of us here...sorry to anyone who isn't when I say that :)).....so it's different for us. We are part of it...with our taxes paying for it.
So the example you are giving doesn't apply....imo.

It is 'our own' who are doing the war thing in the countries you listed.

Maybe we could psyche them out FROM WITHIN with meditation and positive prayer/thoughts, given the right combination of people and maybe the numbers of people. 100th monkey and all that....I expect that world-wide there are thousands of people doing that, right now. Working with the energies.

I say 'psyche out'....but really I mean enfold them.




P.S. There were obviously no people in Afghanastan, Iraq, Libya who had quite mastered the power of "positive visualisation" as explained and documented in "The Secret" either - those masters of positive visualisation must all live in America - safely tucked away behind the American War machine.


ouch :p


please see above :)

the positive thinking is just one part of it......there's all the other stuff as well...social, economic, spiritual, technological.


I think you made a 'strawman' arguement in your post.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

[Jenci]

"Ready for HOPE and CHANGE (that your politicians haven't been able to deliver)?"

ACX_53Q8kW8


What do you make of this??????


Hi Klight,

Interesting video but it assumes that the agricultural and industrial revolutions were solutions.

But were they?
Did the system actually change or was it the same system with a bit more technology?
The rich are getting rich and the poor are getting poorer - adding more technology to the people will not change the ruling elite.

We need a revolution but not a technological one.
Until we wake up, collectively, to the realisation we are more than just bodies and minds - Consciousness - then we will remain as bodies and minds which "they" will continue to manipulate and control.
Jeanette

I understand the point you are making.....but while we are in the physical body we have to eat and drink and have somewhere to sleep. Now the world population is so big.....and wood and seeds relatively scarce....what would we do?

We don't have the land anymore. And if we had the land back tomorrow, it would be different to how it was before.....before industrialization. The skills to live off the land was a process of education from one generation to the next.

The only reason we can sit at home and talk on the internet like this is because of technology.

We need a balance, as has been said before in this thread.

I do believe that a different kind of technology to what we have now could make us more free in mind body and spirit.

I actually think that the whole standing stone/ancient monument complex was a kind of technology. I wonder what they did with that. Maybe flying around? Speeding up food production? Far-out spiritual get togethers? Dunno :)

Hi Jaybee,

Of course, we still live in physical bodies with all that that entails.

When we think of the problem of how are we going to eat and survive, then we are thinking about a problem at the level of mind. At this level we will always come up with the same solutions we always have. At this level of thinking with the mind, there are no other solutions apparant.

When we step back from the mind into the depth of Consciousness different solutions will appear because as you step back, more comes into view.

I would even suggest that when collectively human Consciousness has expanded that the problems that we have today will no longer be problems.

This is how awakening to Consciousness happens on a individual level and so it will be on the collective level.
The vast majority of people who wake up individually, life is usually incredibly painful and lacking solutions just before the awakening and this is what forces the awakening. This is just what is happening now collectively.....
Jeanette

[LouCypherGeraldo]

Hey Rahkyt:

I agree that the US military is going to be divided against itself when the PTB sick em on the American people. That's why they'll probably bring in foreign troops to do the deed.

I want to float a possibility here. Since this forum is composed of people whom seem to understand the power of Deliberate Thought on the material universe, here goes:

We all know what the Bible says: with the mere faith of a mustard seed one can compel that mountain to go jump into the sea. The key idea is that with the right use of your belief or your mind, you can command reality to the point that reality cannot resist the changes you will.

But then we all know that all of that stuff is just interesting musings of the mind, having no basis at all in the real world that we are all familar with, right?

The truth is, no, that is not right. It's all wrong. And those of you still believing that the table top really is solid are living in the Newtonian dark ages.

Over the passed several decades, physicists have been busy conducting experiments. The experiments have now almost conclusively declared that there is no separation between observer and the observed. Things out there in the world that appear "separate" and independent of "us" in here aren't really separated at all. In fact, the energy of the mind effects the structure of matter out there in the real world. It changes the real world. Reality is like silly putty. We can mold it to be what we will.

Here are some of what seem to be the facts of the matter:

Consciousness seems to be a substance outside the confines of our bodies -- a highly ordered energy with the capacity to change physical matter.

The act of "targeting" your thoughts -- what scientists call "intention" or "intentionality" -- appears to produce an energy potent enough to change physical reality.

That to influence physical matter, thought must be highly motivated and targeted.

The power of focused will multiplies depending upon how many are thinking the same thing at the same time.

The power of the mass will to alter reality is magnified on days when the earth's geomagnetic field is in "an uproar."

And here's the kicker: negative thoughts are much more potent in their effects than positive ones are.

The decades of experimentation have also solidified an actual protocol for using this power practically in our daily lives to change anything we want.
So let's add this up.

Mind changes reality. At a distance with no physical contact necessary.

The power of intentions to change a target situation becomes more powerful with the more minds being involved and focused on the same goal in the same time.

The power of intention spikes during periods of geomagnetic chaos.

And the power of "dark" thought' hold more "juice" than a positive one does.

What do we have here? I'm seeing a very powerful offensive weapon coming into view. One that cannot be defended against in any way. All we've got to do is use it.

I'm seeing a possible blueprint for the end of the New World Order as we know it.

Where would we go from here? We would need bodies. Lots of them. We would need all of these participants to follow the Protocol outlined in the wonderful book "The Intention Experiment". This protocol will provide the exact method, scientifically arrived at through double blind experiments, for all of us to follow in order to launch one huge collective intentional psychic attack that screams DEATH TO THE NEW WORLD ORDER across the quantum aeyther.

So....what do you all think of that idea?

[Mark]

I agree that the US military is going to be divided against itself when the PTB sick em on the American people. That's why they'll probably bring in foreign troops to do the deed.

They might not need to bring troops in. You said you're a soldier, I was also, back in the late 80s and early 90s. Back then, we had non-American soldiers who joined to get their citizenship. I was stationed with one from S. Korea. I know that now there are even more from a vast array of countries around the world, and quite a few from Mexico. I have heard the scenario floated around that this is where those troops who will man the camps will be culled from, primarily. The American Army, under this view, has been supplanted with a foreign army, under the noses of the American people. I have not seen any numbers, so I do not know if this is true or not. Perhaps you have more direct experience.


And here's the kicker: negative thoughts are much more potent in their effects than positive ones are.

Says who? My understanding is the exact opposite. Since the rest of your contention is based upon this being true, I will have to understand how you come to this conclusion before commenting on the rest of your idea.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

It's one of the facets brought out in the discussion of this protocol revealed inside The Intention Experiment by Lynne McTaggert. I highly recommend this book. Absolutely fascinating.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

Okay, let me clarify: the negative thought MAY hold more power than the positive one. Here's the key quote from the book: "Blasband's little study highlights perhaps the most disturbing consideration of all about intention: that bad thoughts, as well as good ones, can have an effect on the world, and indeed may be the more powerful of the two." My emphasis added and the quote comes from page 146.

Therefore, if an intrepid group were to undertake this mission, based on the experimental evidence to date, it would be more tactically sound to use a negative intention in this instance than a positive one -- if the results the group was seeking is destructive/disruptive in nature. Sorry. I should have used more precise language.

[cloud9]

I really feel that in order for us the 99% to have an effect in what's going on, it's necessary that everyone knows what's going on...
if we need to start a revolution, hopefully a pacific one, we need more people to know the truth.
It's been a few years since I started this path and it seems to me that just a few more have woke up, we need to get people more interested, apathy and ignorance are killing us all....

Sorry, I had to edit, my point is: how do we get people to stop watching lady gaga videos and reality tv and start educating themselves?
I'd really like to see some ideas here, actually I got an idea that I hope to share a little later, perhaps is a good one and if it's not, let's brain storming now!

[LouCypherGeraldo]

And to answer you suspicion about the foreigners being brought into the Army/military ranks -- yeah, it's true. Lots of them are from Mexico.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

I really feel that in order for us the 99% to have an effect in what's going on, it's necessary that everyone knows what's going on...
if we need to start a revolution, hopefully a pacific one, we need more people to know the truth.
It's been a few years since I started this path and it seems to me that just a few more have woke up, we need to get people more interested, apathy and ignorance are killing us all....

In order to awaken anyone, the subject must either want to wake up or have a susceptibility to waking up. My experience with my fellow Americans has proven that this potential doesn't seem to exist at all. They seem completely bought into the disgusting materialistic circus that is current American culture. Therefore, it would seem more productive to focus on the problem itself: the Elite, the New World Order, the Illuminati, the reptoids -- whatever you wish to call these blood sucking pirates and figure out a way to deal with them directly and neutralize their seeming command position over us...directly.

Since we are on the cusp of 2012 and all the aura fluffers of the new age seem convinced that the Golden Age is upon us, it would be a fitting testament to the species at this time and this place to deal with these bastards in a way that DOESN'T involve bombs bullets and bloodshed. It would certainly prove to the Galactic Confederation that we are ready for membership when we remove the New World Order from out throats with the power of our Intention alone.

[jaybee]

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LouCypherGeraldo.....great posts and ideas.....cheers for all that.

It's late (ish) where I am and after some red wine I'm a bit tired...:)

So I just wanted to say thanks. Thoughts are swirling round my head, but I'm too tired to write anything down at the moment...but the physics stuff and the knowledge and INTENTION....powerful.


I hadn't seen the film 'The Men Who Stare at Goats' until last night..... this thread and your posts have made me feel like putting it here....before I get off to bed.


Other parts on YouTube site


qw9ZNIW72Ac

[Davidallany]

Life is not written in stone, there are alternative outcomes to situations, which are related to decisions in a given situation. Without having clarity about who one is, why is he where he is and what he is doing, decisions will always be off and ineffective.

Thus a clarity should be achieved before any serious undertaking. Technology is needed to break free, but what technology? There are many technologies. Choose wisely, your getting out of the cell depends on it.

Once one is out, then it's time to organize wide and far, because despite fictional tales of the so called holy books a well equipped, well intentioned army of 1000 can't win agains another well equipped, better trained army of 10,000.

[Mark]

Okay, let me clarify: the negative thought MAY hold more power than the positive one. Here's the key quote from the book: "Blasband's little study highlights perhaps the most disturbing consideration of all about intention: that bad thoughts, as well as good ones, can have an effect on the world, and indeed may be the more powerful of the two." My emphasis added and the quote comes from page 146.

Therefore, if an intrepid group were to undertake this mission, based on the experimental evidence to date, it would be more tactically sound to use a negative intention in this instance than a positive one -- if the results the group was seeking is destructive/disruptive in nature. Sorry. I should have used more precise language.

Thanks for the quote. There are scientific articles, very many, on the Net, that you can search and find easily that speak to the power of intention, the power of meditation or conscious intention, the power of positive thoughts to heal individuals (http://health.msn.com/health-topics/articlepage.aspx?cp-documentid=100197848), to stop violent behavior (http://www.alltm.org/pages/crime-arrested.html) in cities and countries, to shift thinking, to even influence the past (http://www.theglobalintelligencer.com/apr2007/science). It's all potentiality in motion, so I think that it is quite possible that the power of negative thinking can also be used proactively by individuals and groups.

That being said, if, by doing so, we are able to obliterate the PTW (Powers that were) and wipe them from the face of the earth, what, then, do we do with all of those who participated in the experiment? Who were awakened to the power of their collective minds? Did you ever see the movie, Scanners:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJC3ZaXBEc
Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJC3ZaXBEc

You've got me thinking of a whole bunch of 'em, running around now trying to rule the world by blowing up everybody's heads who disagree with them. I think it is the intention that counts here. I concede that such might be possible, but is it a good idea? If we use greater psychic violence to end the material violence are we any better than they are?



Since we are on the cusp of 2012 and all the aura fluffers of the new age seem convinced that the Golden Age is upon us, it would be a fitting testament to the species at this time and this place to deal with these bastards in a way that DOESN'T involve bombs bullets and bloodshed. It would certainly prove to the Galactic Confederation that we are ready for membership when we remove the New World Order from out throats with the power of our Intention alone.

I do think this is a good point. But is it necessary to obliterate them? Or just remove them from power and put in a new system that disallows their ever achieving ascendancy again.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

Well, I'm more in line with a "negative" intention that is designed to DESTROY the power of their plans more than destroying physical beings. I'd much rather see these lunatics rounded up and put on trial in the eyes of humanity, judged by the whole of humanity for the crimes that they have committed. You can destroy the machine as well without destroying the makers of the machine. All you've got to do is destroy the power of their illusion.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

Another proposal. Since I am the totally green newbie here and have yet to be granted the ability to form a group, maybe one of you seasoned vets might create a group dedicated to exploring this tactic further. Just a thought.

[cloud9]

I really feel that in order for us the 99% to have an effect in what's going on, it's necessary that everyone knows what's going on...
if we need to start a revolution, hopefully a pacific one, we need more people to know the truth.
It's been a few years since I started this path and it seems to me that just a few more have woke up, we need to get people more interested, apathy and ignorance are killing us all....

In order to awaken anyone, the subject must either want to wake up or have a susceptibility to waking up. My experience with my fellow Americans has proven that this potential doesn't seem to exist at all. They seem completely bought into the disgusting materialistic circus that is current American culture. Therefore, it would seem more productive to focus on the problem itself: the Elite, the New World Order, the Illuminati, the reptoids -- whatever you wish to call these blood sucking pirates and figure out a way to deal with them directly and neutralize their seeming command position over us...directly.

Since we are on the cusp of 2012 and all the aura fluffers of the new age seem convinced that the Golden Age is upon us, it would be a fitting testament to the species at this time and this place to deal with these bastards in a way that DOESN'T involve bombs bullets and bloodshed. It would certainly prove to the Galactic Confederation that we are ready for membership when we remove the New World Order from out throats with the power of our Intention alone.

I hear you... but... what we discuss here and in many other forums that we let in our consciousness, we did it by ourselves but it doesn't mean that every single person in the world has to do it the same way!

Five years ago when I finally read Stichin's books, I told my husband about his theory, all I can say is that killing my husband's mother would have been a lesser offense than suggesting we could have been created by alien beings, I can't tell you his reaction without writing at least two pages! I was the craziest most stupid person he had ever met!
Now he watches Ancient Aliens and he likes it. One day I asked his opinion about it and all he said was: I really don't know, I never thought about it!

Remember the example where you buy a very specific car and once you do, you start seeing it everywhere? Those cars were there before but you just didn't see them. It's the same here, for most of the people this world of conspiracies and theories doesn't exist but once they start seeing more and more, suddenly they realize it's everywhere!

Our job is to be the eye openers! That would create a revolution as never seeing before, without shooting a single bullet!!! Just making these issues known to everybody, as many have said before, what we need is a change of consciousness and my opinion is that we, the "awaken" ones, are not doing our job of waking up the others!

[NewFounderHome]

I do agree then Free energy would help. Will it resolve all? Not really! One of the problems i noticed is then the inventors always get caught, because they try to patent there invention. They will need to get the world onboard with them. The inventor that is thinking of money only will never succeed, but if we get inventors that get there proof of concept out to the entire world to help on the development then he/she or they might succeed. If it is sent all across the world, all at once by internet, YouTube, by letters and more, then we might just make it. Then it would be like an OpenSource Invention.

Change of subject, I don’t promote wars or conflict, by no means, but to say we must not do nothing to take are our place and just go true legal routes might be under estimation the elite control structure and the justice. If the elite send’s the army, drones to kill us, mow us down, make us explode.
Then what will we be thinking of the legal route at that point! And how long will that also take?
If we do interactions by all Azimuths all at once, there might be also a better result.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

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LouCypherGeraldo.....great posts and ideas.....cheers for all that.

It's late (ish) where I am and after some red wine I'm a bit tired...:)

So I just wanted to say thanks. Thoughts are swirling round my head, but I'm too tired to write anything down at the moment...but the physics stuff and the knowledge and INTENTION....powerful.


I hadn't seen the film 'The Men Who Stare at Goats' until last night..... this thread and your posts have made me feel like putting it here....before I get off to bed.


Other parts on YouTube site


qw9ZNIW72Ac

I have seen Men Who Stare At Goats and enjoyed it a lot. Thanks for your input: we're all in this together.

[LouCypherGeraldo]

I really feel that in order for us the 99% to have an effect in what's going on, it's necessary that everyone knows what's going on...
if we need to start a revolution, hopefully a pacific one, we need more people to know the truth.
It's been a few years since I started this path and it seems to me that just a few more have woke up, we need to get people more interested, apathy and ignorance are killing us all....

In order to awaken anyone, the subject must either want to wake up or have a susceptibility to waking up. My experience with my fellow Americans has proven that this potential doesn't seem to exist at all. They seem completely bought into the disgusting materialistic circus that is current American culture. Therefore, it would seem more productive to focus on the problem itself: the Elite, the New World Order, the Illuminati, the reptoids -- whatever you wish to call these blood sucking pirates and figure out a way to deal with them directly and neutralize their seeming command position over us...directly.

Since we are on the cusp of 2012 and all the aura fluffers of the new age seem convinced that the Golden Age is upon us, it would be a fitting testament to the species at this time and this place to deal with these bastards in a way that DOESN'T involve bombs bullets and bloodshed. It would certainly prove to the Galactic Confederation that we are ready for membership when we remove the New World Order from out throats with the power of our Intention alone.

I hear you... but... what we discuss here and in many other forums that we let in our consciousness, we did it by ourselves but it doesn't mean that every single person in the world has to do it the same way!

Five years ago when I finally read Stichin's books, I told my husband about his theory, all I can say is that killing my husband's mother would have been a lesser offense than suggesting we could have been created by alien beings, I can't tell you his reaction without writing at least two pages! I was the craziest most stupid person he had ever met!
Now he watches Ancient Aliens and he likes it. One day I asked his opinion about it and all he said was: I really don't know, I never thought about it!

Remember the example where you buy a very specific car and once you do, you start seeing it everywhere? Those cars were there before but you just didn't see them. It's the same here, for most of the people this world of conspiracies and theories doesn't exist but once they start seeing more and more, suddenly they realize it's everywhere!

Our job is to be the eye openers! That would create a revolution as never seeing before, without shooting a single bullet!!! Just making these issues known to everybody, as many have said before, what we need is a change of consciousness and my opinion is that we, the "awaken" ones, are not doing our job of waking up the others!


Some of us are called to act as awakeners. Some of us are called to take the fight right into the belly of the Beast. To claim that "we all" have to do this or that to the exclusion of all else seems to me to be acting like the biggest obstacle to human freedom ever known: The State. You seem well equipped to wake people up. I salute you because you are what the military-minded would refer to as a "force multiplier." So go out there and make more of us.

[spiritguide]

Opening one's eyes and seeing is one thing but opening one's heart and feeling is another. The link below is taken from the wingmakers and it is a document that shows that we can not only connect we can effect. It is a working paper for ourselves so we can show others. Reading it a few times will allow you to percieve our present condition.

http://eventtemples.com/downloads/pdf/Living_from_the_Heart_(e).pdf

I hope this clarifies.....

:peace: