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fifi

5th July 2010, 20:01

Just want to share with you an audio interview with astrologer Cal Garrison by World Puja Host, Cyrilla Gallagher from a June 16, 2010 World Puja Network broadcast

I don't know how to embed an audio file, so here is the link

http://www.spiritofmaat.com/july10/worldpuja-2010-06-16.mp3
(1 hour 12 minutes, 25 Mb)

"Among other things, Cal discusses the prospect of a pole shift and the influences that are impacting our ability to remain centered and balanced during tenuous times."

The part about the pole shift and 3 days of darkness is around 33min to 42min.

Eric J (Viking)

5th July 2010, 20:27

Hi Fifi ... Yes if we were to take that route... prior to the Pole Shift we will have 3 days of darkness...

This has happened in the past and is confirmed with ancient scriptures and old indigineous people...

Haven't listened to the interview but will when I get time...

viking

Mu2143

5th July 2010, 21:54

The 3 days of darkness could happen if the sun enters the Photon Belt first, but do not panic about it.
And the earth going the restore its pole back to normal Nothing to worry about!

Beth

5th July 2010, 22:00

Anything is possible is what I've always said. But to be honest, a complete pole shift has never really resonated with me. Guess it's up to everyone to use their own intuition.

Mu2143

5th July 2010, 22:18

I just listen from 33min to 37min and all I can tell is that this women is in confusion.

Do not touch any 4 dimensional objects otherwise you get suck in to that!!!?
does not make any sens does it? when the hole planet is going in to the 4th.

All I can say if there is any danger you will know that before , because your soul knows where it needs to be.

The other thing is o just be in your hart! yeah right you can't pretend this , you supposed to be ready before the shift. If your spiritual healed it will be natural and do not need to think about it.

It is the same with breathing!!!! this subject on many so called spiritual gurus is not being explained correctly.

If we do get the 3 days of darkness after this you run on the same freq and if not then you wil see another effect if we entered 4th

Eric J (Viking)

6th July 2010, 08:50

Hey Mu ... where does the Photon Belt come into the 3 days of darkness?? how would the photon belt give us this?

viking

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 10:10

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Hi, Folks: I listened to that 9 minute section as suggested.

I don't know what's more alarming... that some people are going on radio and speaking at conferences urging people to believe this kind of thing, or that so many people clearly do!

Based on that, the New World Order has absolutely nothing to worry about. A significant proportion of sensitive, concerned and very nice people have bought wholeheartedly into a time-wasting, energy-diverting delusion.

In case there are any young people, anxious people, and/or people here who are not yet well-informed about this - please assure yourself that this kind of thing WILL NOT HAPPEN.

And while it's a contribution of a kind to post it on the forum (so that members who really do want to increase their awareness and knowledge can see clearly how silly it is), I'm concerned that the forum, which really can be used to help people connect and find networks that will support them in handling proactively whatever future we create, is being diverted into discussing material of no value or relevance - except to know it's out there elsewhere in the alternative community.

I'd actually be happy if members and visitors DID listen to this - to become clear about what's real and what's not:

The granite in the Earth will not "start to melt".
The non-natural objects around you (including, presumably, your clothes and shoes) will not start to disappear.
You - or your pets! - will not get sucked into the fourth dimension (or anywhere else) if you accidentally touch or look at a strange hyperdimensional shape.
You will not wake up in another dimension.

You WILL wake up on 1 January 2013 in exactly the same world, in the same space-time continuum, and the controllers who have been so happy to see otherwise intelligent citizens getting sidetracked into a complete intellectual and spiritual cul-de-sac for several years, will then have to start deploying another diversion while they [attempt to] continue to do exactly the same stuff to further their own agendas.

I genuinely can't wait until we get to 2013 and can start to get focused on real issues. People wholeheartedly believing this (I will say it here, with apologies if necessary) are probably very nice people, but are naive, credulous and escapist, and are quite unwittingly doing HARM to Planet Earth by not paying attention to what's really happening.

It's just another religion. It suits the controllers perfectly.

This really is not what I want this forum to be about, and this is what motivates these kinds of impatient responses from me. There's important work to do, and this is not it.

greybeard

6th July 2010, 10:34

No body know the future, so I throw my hat in with Bill's -- smiling.
To my mind all fear is related to the death of the body.
Virtually everything in this material world relates to the body, its comforts its health, its very survival.
Look at the majority of TV adverts, that proves the point.
When we know that we are spiritual beings having a human experience its almost a "so what!!"
Some of us (the world population) will have died now as I write, Some will be born as I write, a joyous occasion.
Always more are born than die.

We are so bound up in the Mayan its un-real.
I would respectfully point out that while they may have been the most magnificent astronomers and mathematicians,
they were extremely barbaric.
I would not have liked to have been a young beautiful virgin in those times.
A spiritual race sacrificing living human hearts to a god --- give me a break -- lol.
The ancient vedas, upanisheds, all talk of a God of LOVE.
No God of Love needs or wants blood sacrifice.
We seem to have conveniently forgotten the barbaric part of the Mayan / Aztec culture.
However I am sure that something of great importance is happening.
The solar system is changing, that would seem to be a scientific fact.
It changes then there is a possibility we will change too.
Human beings along with everything else are evolutionary, so for sure we have not reached the peak of our evolution as yet.

Chris

Eric J (Viking)

6th July 2010, 11:17

Hi Bill … I haven’t listened to the video as yet but I hear what you are saying…

But, would you agree that we have had past calamities which have wiped out old civilisations and changed the face of the planet, in fact several times in the last 20000 years or so.

This has been proved by scientists and other researchers of today and confirmed that Antarctica was once an island with no ice! also Siberia was a tropical paradise. We also have in the past few years uncovered beneath the sea whole cities that were once above sea level., with all sorts of buildings including pyramids found…Also I read of late that America has had vast flooding thousands of years ago.

So with this in mind what caused the calamities and the shift in weather patterns?

viking

Steven

6th July 2010, 12:07

...Based on that, the New World Order has absolutely nothing to worry about. A significant proportion of sensitive, concerned and very nice people have bought wholeheartedly into a time-wasting, energy-diverting delusion...

...And while it's a contribution of a kind to post it on the forum (so that members who really do want to increase their awareness and knowledge can see clearly how silly it is), I'm concerned that the forum, which really can be used to help people connect and find networks that will support them in handling proactively whatever future we create, is being diverted into discussing material of no value or relevance - except to know it's out there elsewhere in the alternative community...

...It's just another religion. It suits the controllers perfectly...

This really is not what I want this forum to be about, and this is what motivates these kinds of impatient responses from me. There's important work to do, and this is not it.

I'm so glad you wrote this up. ;)

There will be no polar shift. What might have happened in the past is a sudden movement of the outer crust of the Earth created by an imbalanced of weigth accumulated by ice formation at the poles. The whole planet is made of several layers, some solid others liquid. According to this theory, found interesting by Einstein at the time, the planet is not due to another sudden crust movement of this type for another 12 thousand years, it might be longer than that with the melting of the polar caps...

The whole planet will not suddently shift from pole to pole because it's 2012. There is nothing about it in the mayan culture, prophetie, calendar, even if Drunvalo says it so...

Another mean to keep the mass focused on catastrophe, so it attracts it, and is easily manipulated and influenced.

Namaste, Steven

Mu2143

6th July 2010, 12:10

Hey Mu ... where does the Photon Belt come into the 3 days of darkness?? how would the photon belt give us this?

viking

It is because if the sun enters first the photon belt it will then enter the 4th and we can not see the 4th. So it looks like the sun is not there but it is still there only not visible to the naked eye. Only it is not known to us if the sun enters first, if not then there will be no 3 days of darkness , but you will know when we enter it first. Where going to see things that we could not see before for a long time. See Mirror Project 77 I dated this between 12000-14000 years ago

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 13:06

It is because if the sun enters first the photon belt it will then enter the 4th and we can not see the 4th. So it looks like the sun is not there but it is still there only not visible to the naked eye. Only it is not known to us if the sun enters first, if not then there will be no 3 days of darkness , but you will know when we enter it first.

With genuine respect to our well-meaning friend Mu2143 from the Netherlands, this is a perfect example of what I was saying on the previous page.

There are so many physical impossibilities here it's hard to know where to start. To state just one:

The other stars out there are 'suns', too. If this phenomenon were to occur, then we'd see the OTHER stars entering the 'photon belt' (whatever that is) before we do.

This event is timed (apparently) for two and a half years away. So tens of thousands of stars (and ALL other stars are further away than 2.5 light years) would already have gone through this transformative event before us.

However, astronomers have NOT reported that for three days at a time, one after the other, stars have been winking out all over the night sky. We would have been able to see it ourselves, too.

This has not happened. We need to remember that as we look out into space, we look back in time, as it takes time for light rays (which are photons) to reach us.

No interdimensional transformation has happened to those other stars entering 'the galactic plane'.

So this will not happen to us, either.

It's a safe passage, to that degree. Other ships are sailing ahead of us - which we can see.

HOWEVER:

It's a fact that we may be about to enter a giant electromagnetic cloud some 30 light years across, and some respected astrophysicists are concerned that this may disturb things quite a bit (including communications, national power grids, and the behavior of our sun).

This is a legitimate concern - but is nothing do with esoteric dimensional shifts or 'three days of darkness' (unless there are power outages, which is possible).

Physical pole shifts have happened in the past (as have other catastrophic events) - and it's well-documented that a gradual magnetic pole reversal is already under way.

But when Atlantis sank, they did not get beamed over to another dimension. They had to run for their boats and sail for their lives.

I don't buy for one moment that a physical pole shift will happen in 2012.... the ONLY causal factor that could cause such a major wobble is Planet X (the Dark Star)... and while there is compelling circumstantial evidence for its existence, it's yet to make an appearance.

This suggests (because it's getting late now, and we've still not seen it) that if Planet X DOES come sweeping round from the south, as Marshall Masters, Andy Lloyd, Bill Deagle and others all argue (and argue well), this event might be more like 2017.... as Bob Dean suggested (but we never knew his source for that date).

Summary: we have to separate out the facts from the fiction, be smart enough to form hypotheses and test them against observations, join the dots (which include dots provided by the words and actions of the intelligence community), and separate out an esoteric belief structure from the physical reality, which may present us with all kinds of challenges.... with no easy escape.

Eric J (Viking)

6th July 2010, 13:49

I don't buy for one moment that a physical pole shift will happen in 2012.... the ONLY causal factor that could cause such a major wobble is Planet X (the Dark Star)... and while there is compelling circumstantial evidence for its existence, it's yet to make an appearance.

Just briefly....

I have done a little research and I must say there are quite a few researchers that have said PX is within the Solar System and causing a 'Wobble' here on Earth ... This also confirms the eratic weather patterns around the world due to the wobble...

here...
http://poleshift.ning.com/video/proof-of-wobble

here...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9P8FW2dfpg&feature=player_embedded

stars are not centered correctly...
This long night exposure photo, taken late Jan. 13, shows the famous north face of Eiger Mountain overlooking the Swiss resort of Grindelwald in the Bernese Alps. Stars spin around the celestial north pole. More effects of the earth wobble.
http://api.ning.com/files/Om*85-b0IjY3IZ*3q5EciuosYKK9aUe-FaJUyVDh1PP1Oqs-Aep7UIUzIr3sRP*ujc2Ikoe9wXBZNn1uZLRB50oNt8nqlrAv/stars.jpg

I also noticed myself that the sun was setting more N/W than last year!! another sign of the wobble!!

So if this wobble is correct...what is causing the earth to wobble??....

Many researches have said the Shift will be either this year or 2011 and not 2012!! *shrugs*

viking

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 14:24

http://poleshift.ning.com/video/proof-of-wobble

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9P8FW2dfpg&feature=player_embedded

These are certainly glitches (temporary lapses of alignment) between the clouds and the map underlay. The video is a composite.

If the earth 'wobbles', the atmosphere wobbles with it. And planes would fall out of the sky, there would be violent winds, tsunamis as the sea sloshes around the coast... etc. None of this is happening.

stars are not centered correctly...
This long night exposure photo, taken late Jan. 13, shows the famous north face of Eiger Mountain overlooking the Swiss resort of Grindelwald in the Bernese Alps. Stars spin around the celestial north pole. More effects of the earth wobble.
http://api.ning.com/files/Om*85-b0IjY3IZ*3q5EciuosYKK9aUe-FaJUyVDh1PP1Oqs-Aep7UIUzIr3sRP*ujc2Ikoe9wXBZNn1uZLRB50oNt8nqlrAv/stars.jpg

This looks perfectly normal to me!

I also noticed myself that the sun was setting more N/W than last year!! another sign of the wobble!!

That wouldn't be a wobble - that would be a pole shift that has already happened. And if so, we'd all know about it, with tsunamis, earthquakes and volcanic eruptions all over the globe at once.

Many researches have said the Shift will be either this year or 2011 and not 2012!!

viking

Which researchers?

Mu2143

6th July 2010, 14:44

The other stars out there are 'suns', too. If this phenomenon were to occur, then we'd see the OTHER stars entering the 'photon belt' (whatever that is) before we do.
Good point ,but I have no information regarding what is happening with other stars. But where in a unique position because we fell as a race to the 3th

If your remember Dr Deagle interview regarding the Nexxus which is the phonon belt caused by a major war! we fall as a race in to 3d and where going back to 4th. If this does not happen then nobody is going to see the truth! only on this density we will able to see what is real and what is not.

Second source is Alex collier is talking about this see his last interview Jan of 2010. and other interview he is describing what 4th will be like!

3th source would be David Icke talks about a vibrational changes coming to this planet!!.

Also what you have been told by main stream science what the sun is not. The sun is EM ,just like our planet has a central sun. Because the earth is alive and has a spirit in its core, just like the sun.

No interdimensional transformation has happened to those other stars entering 'the galactic plane'.

So this will not happen to us, either.

Untrue as you can see what is stated above and this will start to happen in 2010 and we as a race have done this before only we forgot
I'm surprised that your stating this ? O BTW I've been in the 5th density ones! out of my body and there is no darkness everything glows. =)

This is a legitimate concern - but is nothing do with esoteric dimensional shifts or 'three days of darkness' (unless there are power outages, which is possible).
i'm only talking about the sun not our own source of light LOL we can't see the 4th D

But when Atlantis sank, they did not get beamed over to another dimension. They had to run for their boats and sail for their lives. I've experience a past live memory where I saw Atlantis sinking and it matches the describtion given by Dr Deagle and I never stated that Atlantis drop to another dimension ,but the hole planet was already in a lower vibrational Frequency by the time Atlantis went down under. The fall of Adam before that we where glowing because our spirit is light only it is running slow and it will speed up again.

I don't buy for one moment that a physical pole shift will happen in 2012.... the ONLY causal factor that could cause such a major wobble is Planet X (the Dark Star)... and while there is compelling circumstantial evidence for its existence, it's yet to make an appearance.

Correct ,but the planet it self is going to correct it self slowly! why because 1th it is alive and wants to evolve and 2th it is known that the planets rotation has been changed to make the duality more believable it is part of the PTB program.

Summary: we have to separate out the facts from the fiction, be smart enough to form hypotheses and test them against observations, join the dots (which include dots provided by the words and actions of the intelligence community), and separate out an esoteric belief structure from the physical reality, which may present us with all kinds of challenges.... with no easy escape. I've already digged true all the BS my self and I can tell what is true or not , because you your self already know this!

The thing is!! how are you going to separate A lie from the truth you can't do this when you looking at a pice of paper with data on it or just listen to a person? because we have been lied to and we believe it to ????

Just like a computer processing data and can't tell what is true or not! but your spirit can!

Or 4 person talking about trued!!! but 1 is lying 1 beliefs a lie 1 is in confusion and the other has another piece of the puzzle!! you can't tell this using your brain ? can you ?

Eric J (Viking)

6th July 2010, 14:48

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Which researchers?

mmmm golly... Yowusa/Nancy Lieder/Gerard Zwann ... There are others but cannot remember at this time...you know what its like...read read read !!!!

I suppose the proof will be in the pudding and until we can exactly see with our eyes !!!

I have seen various anomolies on SOHO which Nasa have not explained properly ( I have emailed them a few times)... but time will tell...

You see Bill what really pisses me off is that I research seeking the 'truth' and ask for advise from researchers about other stuff...and all I get is most of them slagging him or her off...then I ask the same question to the ones that get slagged off and they do exactly the same!!!

So you go round in circles!!! Who's telling the truth??? Grrrrrr

Hey ho we'll all know one day!! ;-)

viking

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 15:26

Good point ,but I have no information regarding what is happening with other stars. But where in a unique position because we fell as a race to the 3th

If your remember Dr Deagle interview regarding the Nexxus which is the phonon belt caused by a major war! we fall as a race in to 3d and where going back to 4th. If this does not happen then nobody is going to see the truth! only on this density we will able to see what is real and what is not.

Second source is Alex collier is talking about this see his last interview Jan of 2010. and other interview he is describing what 4th will be like!

3th source would be David Icke talks about a vibrational changes coming to this planet!!.

Also what you have been told by main stream science what the sun is not. The sun is EM ,just like our planet has a central sun. Because the earth is alive and has a spirit in its core, just like the sun.

Untrue as you can see what is stated above and this will start to happen in 2010 and we as a race have done this before only we forgot
I'm surprised that your stating this ? O BTW I've been in the 5th density ones! out of my body and there is no darkness everything glows. =)

i'm only talking about the sun not our own source of light LOL we can't see the 4th D

I've experience a past live memory where I saw Atlantis sinking and it matches the describtion given by Dr Deagle and I never stated that Atlantis drop to another dimension ,but the hole planet was already in a lower vibrational Frequency by the time Atlantis went down under. The fall of Adam before that we where glowing because our spirit is light only it is running slow and it will speed up again.

Correct ,but the planet it self is going to correct it self slowly! why because 1th it is alive and wants to evolve and 2th it is known that the planets rotation has been changed to make the duality more believable it is part of the PTB program.

I've already digged true all the BS my self and I can tell what is true or not , because you your self already know this!

The thing is!! how are you going to separate A lie from the truth you can't do this when you looking at a pice of paper with data on it or just listen to a person? because we have been lied to and we believe it to ????

Just like a computer processing data and can't tell what is true or not! but your spirit can!

Or 4 person talking about trued!!! but 1 is lying 1 beliefs a lie 1 is in confusion and the other has another piece of the puzzle!! you can't tell this using your brain ? can you ?

No reply is possible.

blue777

6th July 2010, 15:37

No reply is possible.

Hello Mu,
I have not got a clue what you are talking about....there was an axis -mundi shift a long time ago of 23 and a half degrees, however the archetypal fall of man was linked to this episode, caused by a near fly-by...maybe our moon or some planet or comet.
lol
blue

fifi

6th July 2010, 15:41

Thank you very much for your input, Bill, Chris & Steven. I am still a "newbie" here with a hunger to find the truth. I have learnt a lot from this wonderful Avalon community, and have relied on this forum to get the updated news of what's really going on in the world, as I have learnt now that the mainstream media is controlled and do not report the truth. I agree with you that we should not be afraid, as fear is what the PTB wants us to have. I try to learn what's really going on behind the veil that the PTB pull in front of our eyes, and although we cannot learn 100% the truth, this community has done a great job poking the holes into this veil, and let us know part of the truth.

I am sorry if this post causes distraction.

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 15:50

I.... ask for advise from researchers about other stuff...and all I get is most of them slagging him or her off...then I ask the same question to the ones that get slagged off and they do exactly the same!!!

So you go round in circles!!! Who's telling the truth??? Grrrrrr

That's why I replied in the way I did (although it didn't seem to work for Mu2143). Consider the information I offered, and then apply your critical thinking skills.

Re Marshall Masters (YowUsa), I wasn't aware that he thought anything would happen in 2011... besides, he's a Planet X researcher, not an esotericist (unless something has changed). I just looked on his site (http://yowusa.com), and can't see anything there about 2011.

I do not believe Nancy Lieder or Gerard Zwann are credible researchers. Lieder is a channeler, and Zwann supports her. This is not 'research'. It's a religion.

Mu2143

6th July 2010, 15:54

Hello Mu,
I have not got a clue what you are talking about....there was an axis -mundi shift a long time ago of 23 and a half degrees, however the archetypal fall of man was linked to this episode, caused by a near fly-by...maybe our moon or some planet or comet.
lol
blue

all I can say is moving planets for them is like baking cookies for us nothing new!! Only the planet X things there is a lot of confusion about. But there is talk about on incoming object

Alex Collier source saying it is not even close , but there is an object coming in and it is not planet X it will be seen in 2010
Also I found a person on youtube who had a vision of our moon being in pieces and a new one was in it place. I've posted this on the old forum before .

Second and later on Jessica Mystic talks about our original moon is going to be returned. 2012 update 5

If the shift happens we will see everything happening before our eyes be ready for a ride of your life.

Also I'm not going to type everything on this forum what I have seen and experienced etc ,waaaaaaaay to much info to type even I have to talk about it it will take days to explain.!!!pffff

Bill Ryan

6th July 2010, 16:04

To Steven and Fifi....

Steven, I'm delighted you've joined our very strong team of moderators... I'm very pleased to be working with you.

Fifi, don't worry about the thread.... these topics are important. It's part of Avalon's mission to separate out what's true from what's not. I want to help people do that as best I can.

One problem is that there's a proliferation of information on the net, quite a lot of which is nonsense. But some of the apparent nonsense is true: that's what makes it challenging.

When I wrote

This really is not what I want this forum to be about, and this is what motivates these kinds of impatient responses from me. There's important work to do, and this is not it.

...this was not a censure. But this also is not a forum about Ascension or 2012.

It IS a forum about

what we're not being told by the government, the media, or our education system, and
what we can do as humans who are not aware of our own abilities and power to turn things round down here.

That's the nutshell version of my own vision for this community... welcome, and I'm very pleased you are here.

Mu2143

6th July 2010, 16:11

My main focus was always discernment, because otherwise you never going to get true the BS. Understanding how the illuminati control us that is one of the things you need to learn.
Mind control is a system of belief programmed in to you brain based on lies your never going to see past this unless you question everything you have been believed by the system and dumb it.

Mu2143

6th July 2010, 16:19

The Illuminati wants to make things look scary so we co-create our own destruction. If your spiritual healed then it does not mater what they put out and it will not effect you.

conk

6th July 2010, 17:42

But, waaaaaaaaaa, I WANT to be sucked into another dimension.

It seems there is a bizarre theory for every single nut case in the world. What's astounding is that there are so many intelligent, well-written testaments to these crazies. Some pea brains can really write and have great imaginations.

onawah

7th July 2010, 02:54

I have always felt that the wisest of the indigenous people have a whole window into reality that the rest of us don't get at all unless we spend enough time around them or just in Nature herself, or have some recall of past lives when we were living in connection to Nature and the Cosmos as they do.
I am interested in Drunvalo's work because he seems to be attempting to get some direct experience with that connection and to translate it for the rest of us. But the woman being interviewed (the world puja link from the first post in this thread) is pretty much just repeating what Drunvalo said.
There are many problems, especially semantic, with translating, for example, Mayan or Hopi prophecy into something that makes sense to Western minds, which are programmed first and foremost to the scientific way of looking at things. And attempting to do that apparently hasn't been very rewarding to the elders either, so it's not surprising they don't go out of their way to tell us what they know. And they probably don't know all or exactly what is going to happen either, but they certainly have some of the pieces, I would say.

The fact that their culture fell into darkness doesn't signify to me that there was no wisdom left to them from former times.

Both scientific and indigenous knowledge have their value, but I do agree with what Drunvalo says that the indigenous elders feel, that they are aware that these different groups of humanity need each other, though it does seem that WE do not realize yet how it is that we need THEM.

The closest thing I can think of that Western thought has manifested that compares to the "wisdom of the elders" is HeartMath, which demonstrates how important it is to be heart centered, and not to live from the mind alone.

I have a lot of questions too about what the Mayan prophecy means about the lower mantle of the Earth's crust "slipping", and the 3 days of darkness, etc. I look forward to hearing what explanations Drunvalo and Don Alejandro will have about this, as I'm sure many people are questioning.

But I share their belief that Gaia is much more powerful than the NWO and they have no idea what to do about Her awakening, or our reconnecting to Her. So I'm not really worried, but I AM very curious!!

BTW, from what Drunvalo said in his latest videos, and from what Don Alejandro himself said, the Mayan are not predicting anything in particular for 2012. They say there is a window of time beginning in 2007 when Comet Holmes exploded and ending around 2015 or possibly later, when great changes will take place.

I suppose someone has discredited what Nassim Haramein said about the massive bodies that moved through our solar system in 2003 just around the time many were predicting that Nibiru was due
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/07/physicist-nassim-harameinnibiru-has.html

Or has someone proven beyond a doubt that those were just blips on the screen or something?
Whether or no, Nassim is a great example of someone who comes from his heart and yet is mentally brilliant and also has a wonderful sense of humor.

Does anyone know if Bob Dean has seen that video and what his take is on it?

leavesoftrees

7th July 2010, 05:33

I suppose someone has discredited what Nassim Haramein said about the massive bodies that moved through our solar system in 2003 just around the time many were predicting that Nibiru was due
http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2009/07/physicist-nassim-harameinnibiru-has.html

If a comet 2x the size of Jupiter passed through our solar system toward the sun, someone would have seen it . I find it difficult to believe that that sort of event would go unnoticed

Robstar

7th July 2010, 08:47

Ok, I think i'am officially confused.

.this was not a censure. But this also is not a forum about Ascension or 2012.

It IS a forum about

* what we're not being told by the government, the media, or our education system, and
* what we can do as humans who are not aware of our own abilities and power to turn things round down here.

So this forum is not to a place to provide information so you can make up your own mind on anything but the two subjects above?
So why have Bill (and former partner) interviewed people like Deagle, Icke and others and have led many down the rabbit hole on many issues including 2012, planet X and pole shift, UFO ,Mars and moon bases, ect..
So now Bill are you saying you don't believe the people that you interviewed in the past on this topics?
I don't believe the information provided in this thread, but i find it puzzling that this thread gets called out and not something like "is obama a clone" thread (wich is hilarious) gets by.
Maybe i'm wrong but i think we are so far away from the truth that the more you think you know
the less you know.
I thank anyone who brings anything to the table.
I will look at what is served no matter how far out and I will be the one making the decision to eat it or spit it out.
I don't need anyone to tell me it is good or not.
I hope i have not offended anyone.
Information is what i seek not opinions.:blabla:

Bill Ryan

7th July 2010, 09:28

Ok, I think i'am officially confused.

So this forum is not to a place to provide information so you can make up your own mind on anything but the two subjects above?
So why have Bill (and former partner) interviewed people like Deagle, Icke and others and have led many down the rabbit hole on many issues including 2012, planet X and pole shift, UFO ,Mars and moon bases, ect..
So now Bill are you saying you don't believe the people that you interviewed in the past on this topics?
I don't believe the information provided in this thread, but i find it puzzling that this thread gets called out and not something like "is obama a clone" thread (wich is hilarious) gets by.
Maybe i'm wrong but i think we are so far away from the truth that the more you think you know
the less you know.
I thank anyone who brings anything to the table.
I will look at what is served no matter how far out and I will be the one making the decision to eat it or spit it out.
I don't need anyone to tell me it is good or not.
I hope i have not offended anyone.
Information is what i seek not opinions.

Yes, you're definitely confused!

I'm not sure what 'calling out the thread' means, but I WAS stating clearly something that would REASSURE people who might believe something previously stated that was only based an enormous misunderstanding combined with lack of critical thinking.

There's nonsense on other threads, too, but that's not always material that might greatly affect people's lives and even cause them to make life changes that may be very poor decisions for them and their families. That's when it becomes serious.

I feel a responsibility to supply clear information - the best I've got - and that's what I will do. If I make a statement of what I believe to be fact, I'll give a reason. If I offer an opinion, it's clearly stated as an opinion.

I said this:

It is because if the sun enters first the photon belt it will then enter the 4th and we can not see the 4th. So it looks like the sun is not there but it is still there only not visible to the naked eye. Only it is not known to us if the sun enters first, if not then there will be no 3 days of darkness , but you will know when we enter it first.

With genuine respect to our well-meaning friend Mu2143 from the Netherlands, this is a perfect example of what I was saying on the previous page.

There are so many physical impossibilities here it's hard to know where to start. To state just one:

The other stars out there are 'suns', too. If this phenomenon were to occur, then we'd see the OTHER stars entering the 'photon belt' (whatever that is) before we do.

This event is timed (apparently) for two and a half years away. So tens of thousands of stars (and ALL other stars are further away than 2.5 light years) would already have gone through this transformative event before us.

However, astronomers have NOT reported that for three days at a time, one after the other, stars have been winking out all over the night sky. We would have been able to see it ourselves, too.

This has not happened. We need to remember that as we look out into space, we look back in time, as it takes time for light rays (which are photons) to reach us.

No interdimensional transformation has happened to those other stars entering 'the galactic plane'.

So this will not happen to us, either.

It's a safe passage, to that degree. Other ships are sailing ahead of us - which we can see.

HOWEVER:

It's a fact that we may be about to enter a giant electromagnetic cloud some 30 light years across, and some respected astrophysicists are concerned that this may disturb things quite a bit (including communications, national power grids, and the behavior of our sun).

This is a legitimate concern - but is nothing do with esoteric dimensional shifts or 'three days of darkness' (unless there are power outages, which is possible).

Physical pole shifts have happened in the past (as have other catastrophic events) - and it's well-documented that a gradual magnetic pole reversal is already under way.

But when Atlantis sank, they did not get beamed over to another dimension. They had to run for their boats and sail for their lives.

I don't buy for one moment that a physical pole shift will happen in 2012.... the ONLY causal factor that could cause such a major wobble is Planet X (the Dark Star)... and while there is compelling circumstantial evidence for its existence, it's yet to make an appearance.

This suggests (because it's getting late now, and we've still not seen it) that if Planet X DOES come sweeping round from the south, as Marshall Masters, Andy Lloyd, Bill Deagle and others all argue (and argue well), this event might be more like 2017.... as Bob Dean suggested (but we never knew his source for that date).

Summary: we have to separate out the facts from the fiction, be smart enough to form hypotheses and test them against observations, join the dots (which include dots provided by the words and actions of the intelligence community), and separate out an esoteric belief structure from the physical reality, which may present us with all kinds of challenges.... with no easy escape.

That's information. Not an opinion.

The material in the original audio was NOT 'information'... but it was being PRESENTED as such. This differentiation is important.

Do please read my four posts again, on the previous pages of this thread, and you'll understand. It sounds like you may not have had time to read everything I wrote.

post #7
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3639-The-pole-shift-and-3-days-of-darkness&p=32395&viewfull=1#post32395

post #12
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3639-The-pole-shift-and-3-days-of-darkness&p=32428&viewfull=1#post32428

post #14
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3639-The-pole-shift-and-3-days-of-darkness&p=32447&viewfull=1#post32447

post #20
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3639-The-pole-shift-and-3-days-of-darkness&p=32475&viewfull=1#post32475

I craft my posts carefully, and with time, and every word I write is there for a carefully thought-out reason. If you want to de-confuse yourself and understand what I'm saying, then take at least half as much time reading my posts as I did writing them. All the information is clearly there.

THEN if you feel I'm saying anything that makes no sense, do ask me a question - and I'll be happy to give you as much time on this as possible.

I hope this helps... please forgive my slightly hard-edged reply, but I DO put a great deal of time and attention into my posts, and all the information and lines of thought are clearly there.

I do this NOT because I'm replying to one person, but because it's an important opportunity to clarify something for maybe thousands of people (including a lot of visitors who we never know about). We're all on stage here.

I do understand that there's a bewildering amount of information - and opinion - out there. What I [essentially] said about the forum is that I want this to be a place where people CAN de-confuse themselves.... not ADD to the confusion, which helps no-one.

With my best wishes - Bill

blue777

7th July 2010, 09:43

Mu2143

7th July 2010, 10:51

Hi Bill
I going make it simple. I've got my own source of information when I go to sleep! most of my dreams(out of body experience) I recall, but not all of them. If there is information specific for me then when I wake up I will clearly remember this what it was. With this information and knowing who I can listen to without being lied to is (Speaking from the hart)

Alex collier, Miriam Delicado ,Dr Deagle , David Icke, Jessica Mystic, Duncan O'Finioan, Freeman, George green, Indigo boy from mars. (to name a view!)

But I still discern there information ,because I want to understand things not just suck it up as it is and then connect the dots. I never fully all agree with there information because there people too and they can make mistakes! If you understand this you get a lot further.

Like I state before you can not see the truth just using your brain!but your spirit can and it is up on the person to decide what is real and what is not.

The rest I am not Interested in or they just liars/ deceiver/in confusion/ego and simple ignore them. Like this interview she is making a lot of stuff up that does not make any logical sense.

I knew about the 3 days of darkness before this interview and the Illuminati know this too and will try to put distorted information out there to scare you!! nothing new!

my source info example
If been told a view weeks ago that the drags going to be kicked out or off the planet . There Bye bye. If I tell you who told me you not going to believe it =)

All I can say if you want to know the truth then go look inside of who you really are and that is for every one here that is what they should do. Because the responsibility is up on the person him self! I can only tell what I have experienced. If I lie to you or anyone I will get lied too, that is simple as that!

lightwalker

7th July 2010, 20:19

Hi,
Great thread. So here is my 2 cents worth (My Opinion).
I was given a viewpoint a while ago that has helped me with discerning TRUTH and I have made it a truth for me ......and that is..."all truths are true" and I get to decide if someone else's truth is true for me or not. And for me that is where the heart or discernment or gut feeling (whatever you want to call it) comes in to play. Yes , there are facts and info and things backed up by research and experience, ie "I've been there, I know what happened".
But I still need to decide if what is presented, no matter how much it is backed up, is true for me. And sometimes I accept a truth which brings me lot's of fear. So now I have an opportunity to work thru those fears and then change the "truth".
One thing I do know for sure and that is SOMETHING is going to happen on my planet called Earth. I'm not quite sure what , but I have learned that the most powerful tool there is in being here for this event and creating as smooth a path as possible, is Love.
Reading all these viewpoints here, gives me a number of choices.....I like having those choices.
BTW...I see a great maturity developing on the forum, a more expanded Avalon wouldn't you say ?
lightwalker

onawah

17th July 2010, 23:37

If a comet 2x the size of Jupiter passed through our solar system toward the sun, someone would have seen it . I find it difficult to believe that that sort of event would go unnoticed

Well, that's just the point, someone apparently DID see it!
As Richard Hoagland noted in The Unexplained interview about Phobos at
http://www.theunexplained.tv/listen.html
(from another thread) :

Marshall McLuhan, author of the bestseller "The Medium is the Message" once said, "Great secrets don't require security, they are protected by the incredulity of their very listeners."

Nassim Haramein is no slouch; he is a brilliant young physicist who has published his own Unified Field Theory. He is an original thinker, and not programmed to see only what most scientists and scholars are programmed to see. So in my view, the chances are good that he is right about this, in spite of the "authorities" who have ignored this evidence or disputed it.

Arpheus

18th July 2010, 03:03

This is how i look at things,once you read enough books and done enough research on your own,and that takes considerable amounts of time,you can form a base for what may make some sort of sense to you in certain aspects levels,you dont really have to go nuts and read everything that is out there and or believe everyone who talks on such grounds and subjects.From that point on,you must then look inside for the real truth,search deep within yourself,start doing some meditation practice it daily and increase the amount of time you dedicate to it,the same applies to astral projections or call it remote viewing if you like.The point is, most people including some of us here are still looking for answers outside,its time to start thinking outside the box guys,it always goes back to the answer is within and its simple once you start to get and with practice it will come better and stronger each time.The intelect is mankind's worse enemy sometimes,because its from the mind it has no heart and it not related to the spirit.Look within and you will realize how simple the whole thing is and you will be amazed how fast the answers will start flowing your way.
Because until then all most people can do is to theorize and follow or believe what others are telling them.
May the light embrace us all my avalonian brothers and sisters!

leavesoftrees

20th July 2010, 06:37

Well, that's just the point, someone apparently DID see it!

Nassim Haramein is no slouch; he is a brilliant young physicist who has published his own Unified Field Theory. He is an original thinker, and not programmed to see only what most scientists and scholars are programmed to see. So in my view, the chances are good that he is right about this, in spite of the "authorities" who have ignored this evidence or disputed it.

Do you know how big jupiter is ? - over 1,000 earths can fit into Jupiter. An object twice this size sailing toward the sun would be seen by more than one person. Every amateur astronomer with a backyard telescope would see it. I could be wrong, but there is a point where I can no longer suspend my disbelief. It was when Nassim Haramein got to this point in his video presentation that I was reminded once again that it is good to maintain a healthy scepiticism .... what is that line, "believe nothing, verify everything ...

onawah

20th July 2010, 23:41

Apparently many people did see it, but didn't know what to make of it or just would not comment, since it did not fit into any of their preconceived notions.

Mu2143

10th August 2010, 20:16

JoeNashville

10th August 2010, 23:37

One problem is that there's a proliferation of information on the net, quite a lot of which is nonsense. But some of the apparent nonsense is true: that's what makes it challenging.

When I wrote ...this was not a censure. But this also is not a forum about Ascension or 2012.

It IS a forum about

what we're not being told by the government, the media, or our education system, and
what we can do as humans who are not aware of our own abilities and power to turn things round down here.

That's the nutshell version of my own vision for this community... welcome, and I'm very pleased you are here.

I agree with Bill. One could make a list of many many things which 'could' happen over the next several years to a decade. They are fascinating possibilities which are challenging to understand and interesting to discuss. No mortal can say with certainity what will or won't happen with regard to things involving the physical planet and certainly with those off planet. It would seem that many things have happened in the past, with some of those cyclical and for the most part we can do nothing to prevent or influence them.

One thing we can say with certainty is that there are more important and critical events happening by, for and to people living on the planet which we can influence. The planet is being wrecked on many levels, which in many ways will absolutely be a severe problem for humans trying to survive. Cutting through the BS, seeking and finding the truth, and using the truth to take action is what we can do to create a better world. In a sense many of the topics are just a distraction or misdirection while events that do matter and will affect us directly are being manipulated for reasons most of the people don't understand. To me what it always boils down to is people taking action.... or not.

I would hope this board would be about finding the truth and ways to spread that truth focusing on specific things we can do, supporting each other and acting together!

Rimbaud

11th August 2010, 00:35

gittarpikk

11th August 2010, 02:24

Hi All ,

I have been listen to 2 of George's Greens new interviews and on the truth collective he mentions the possibility of 3 days of darkness only he did not knew why!

http://www.nohoax.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22&catid=1

This is a great interview...but the this is a better link to get to it

http://www.thetruthcollective.com/HD/archives/450

onawah

11th August 2010, 05:50

I'm really glad this thread is still active. It's really addressing the heart of so many core issues.
I agree with Bill that there is lots of nonsense out there and lots of it is fear based and meant to distract.
I doubt that the indigenous elders are guilty of that, however, though I do think their prophecies etc. should be examined and questioned as carefully as anything else. There is certainly a big gap of understanding that still needs to be bridged between the fields of prophecy, mysticism and science.
I have to say that I am having serious second thoughts about Drunvalo yet again. I recently watched one of his videos I had not seen before and felt it was completely ludicrous. He was talking about a prediction that there would be destruction of all life forms on Earth, and after that, some sort of miraculous awakening on the part of humanity which will make the loss of life unimportant-- which makes about as much sense as the the "rapture" theory to me. If that is something that he got from Don Alejandro, then I have to say I think the Don has got it wrong too.
So it's back to the drawing board as to Drunvalo and the Mayan prophecies, as far as I'm concerned.
What I like about PA and what keeps me coming back is that we can discuss these things here openly and if something is really off base, someone is likely to prove it or at least bring up some valid questions.
So thanks to everyone, especially Bill, for the lively conversation here.
I'm a curious soul, and this is good soul food.
BTW, I got this in my email the other day. It costs $9.90 to participate in this webcast and looks like a good opportunity to ask Don Alejandro directly what the Mayan Prophecies really say.

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