The original purpose of the Avalon Forum

[Bill Ryan]

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Hi, Folks:

The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

Avalon was always intended as a complement to Camelot. Camelot woke millions of people up by alerting them to and informing them about under-reported (or unreported!) threats and dangers to our civilization and freedom.

Avalon was always meant to be primarily about solutions. Like: Okay, now we know we're in trouble. How can we work together to handle it?

I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled. This is one of the main items on which I have attention at the moment.

The long-established (but seldom-visited!) Living Off the Grid (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?69-Living-Off-The-Grid) subforum may well prove to be one of the most valuable resources here. Do take a look at it! And please contribute with good, solid information, on all the various relevant topics, if you have it.

I do welcome all thoughts, feelings and intuitions about this, from all members.

Warmest regards to everyone -- Bill

[Cjay]

Thanks Bill. I'm glad you started this thread. We need to be reminded of that purpose from time to time.

Regarding networking / connecting with local groups:
The fifth meeting of Melbourne (Australia) members of Project Avalon, friends and families is being held this Sunday.
Details: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21831-Melbourne-meetup.......&p=375985#post375985

Each meeting has been fun, relaxed, friendly and very interesting. We have a solid core of a Ground Crew already. I have a great deal of affection and respect for everyone who has attended our meetings. If our society fell apart tomorrow, I would not hesitate to join with any or all of those extraordinary people.

I encourage Project Avalon members worldwide to get active in holding local meetings. In our experience, it really is worth the effort.

May I suggest a new category (is that correct word?) be created specifically for Local Meetings and that the Melbourne meetup thread be moved to the Local Meetings category.

John.

[Kristin]

HI there everyone,
I think I'll start this off with a story about my own journey here. At the beginning of the "Ground Crew" movement I was heavily involved. I began organizing GC's in BC Canada, two in Washington State, and also in California. I am happy to say that the results were wonderful. The Angelite Center in Spokane has done wonderful work and is a small sustainable community now, the California Ground Crew is not only prepared but also able to assist in helping people who are doing great works by offering rides to events and places that they need to get to with a moments notice. We've even assisted one of the speakers at Awake and Aware. In Vancouver, there was some response but it was difficult being organized as many people in the city are loners, strange as that may seem. The Pacific Northwest Ground Crew was organized for a meeting place that many would go to with a pre-organized destination in case of an emergency ie: earthquake or volcanic activity.

I was spending a great deal of my time then on this by connecting people, traveling to area's, digging composting toilets, discussing non-violent communication, and trying to assist in developing goals and sharing talents. I consider myself to be a member of each one of these teams, however, I've moved now to the North East in Canada and have been arranging my own place to suit my own individual needs. You see, I was spending so much time organizing others that I forgot about my own plan. LOL... I'm sure there are many that can relate.

The greatest obstacle that occurred during this process was working without ego. My own included in this. Many came in looking for a free ride and feeling that they deserved one, others were knowledgable yet could not function in a community situation unless they were in control. Some felt they were lacking in talents and did not feel empowered. It was a wonderful and very beautiful experience trying to form groups out of all of us as we are all so unique and all had many lessons to learn.

I would be happy to share my experiences with anyone who is earnestly looking for advice on these topics. I am not at this time organizing; the time for me now is to focus on my personal work, health, and talents and share my experiences. Having come from a background of living in intentional communities has given me a good foundation that I'm willing to share.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[christian]

The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

I very much appreciate this idealistic intention.
I read the Handbook series with my interest increasing site by site, actually it was the Camelot interview with George and your endorsement of George at the Zurich conference, that I both saw accidentally, that got me into UFO stuff and the bigger picture big time, accompanied with some synchronistic outlandish personal experiences along the way.

Apart from the purposes of the Ground Crew, that you mentioned, it is also clearly stated in the handbooks, that one objective is to anchor a high vibrational frequency, to make subtle yet effective decisions to raise the collective consciousness on every level, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual.

[Peace of Mind]

Yes, I would like to see more topics with solutions and ideas on creating a better future instead of just threads with unsolved problems and trivial discussions. There has always been intellect in this place; I just wish it would be put to something more useful. If that can’t be done in places like this than we as a species have bigger problems than we may know. Thanks for the reminder Bill.

Peace

[christian]

By the way, there was a call for an activism section on the forum quite some time ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23229-Activism-Section

[Kristin]

Bill,
I wanted to add that often the original goal of a place will not end up in being so if it evolves organically as Avalon has. I'm glad to see that you are creating an effort to get back to base but I am also happy to see that Avalon is a place where people share on such a wide range of issues. That in itself has created a safe zone for people who are just waking up to share their questions and observations with others that have been spending a lifetime asking questions and finding answers. I believe that in many ways Avalon is a reflection of the topics that are expressed on Camelot.

I would love it if there were more interviews with those that are promoting sustainable farming practices and have survival skills that they would like to share. Perhaps we can get a few of us to video tape our experiences in our gardens, using alternative energy, and living off grid. Have some of our bug out bags opened up and looked at... etc.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Marianne]

Muzz started a couple of excellent threads on farming in city environments/small spaces.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?29548-The-Urban-Farming-Guys
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31064-How-1-MILLION-Pounds-Of-Organic-Food-Can-Be-Produced-On-3-Acres.

It's good to be reminded of the useful information in this section, and urging people to post what they have to contribute.

[Ontarioguy]

THANK YOU BILL!!! About time a reminder of the original intent of this forum became posted!! I have found over the last short while that the forum was becomming more like "peyton place"! All the drama and such. And too much of a "clique" feeling of sorts. I am NO fan of "cliques"!! There are sooo many GREAT threads that get started and are a pleasure to read....but lately it has been a matter of sifting through the "drama threads" to get to em. I love everyone here, and just feel that the forum could well do without all the Drama!!! But hey just my feeling is all, and it is not meant to offend anyone whatsoever. I still very much enjoy the site make no mistake. However, this reminder could not have come at a better time the way I see it :) Thanks again Bill,

Regards,
Ontarioguy

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks!
Kathie

[Sabrina]

We had a meet-up in London some months ago which went well for those who could make it that day. Perhaps we're in need of another? It seems the easiest place to get to for those in the South East.

[Dennis Leahy]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks!
Kathie
Wouldn't it be better use of Bill's time, and our time, to focus on what we can do, should do, want to do, are doing... rather than wallow in the most inflammatory possible topic: dredging up the most negative tangents?

I'm sure you're being sincere, Kathy, but, IMO, that topic would be gasoline for the flames of drama - and yet another distraction to the purpose of Avalon.

Dennis

[crosby]

i have learned many things here at avalon. in fact, i have learned so much that i can now help other people. i can give them guidance and direction and the necessary sympathetic tendencies for those who are still sleepy. i started off as an avid watcher of the camelot vids., then poked my head in over here at the forum for several months before i attempted to become a member. i'm glad that i am member here. i'm glad that i can put life into a more manageable framework. this experience has opened my eyes to a world that i never dreamed could exist. and with this awakening, i am doing every thing that i possibly can to move others forward. i will continue to do so.
regards, corson

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks!
Kathie
Wouldn't it be better use of Bill's time, and our time, to focus on what we can do, should do, want to do, are doing... rather than wallow in the most inflammatory possible topic: dredging up the most negative tangents?

I'm sure you're being sincere, Kathy, but, IMO, that topic would be gasoline for the flames of drama - and yet another distraction to the purpose of Avalon.

Dennis

What is going on here??!
I asked a question of Bill - no side issues, no agenda. He clearly has an idea of what Avalon was formed to be: although it will naturally take it's own organic path, I am merely interested to know more of what it is that he doesn't feel was the original intention.

Personally, I am more interests in the spiritual threads on the forum - I was told that there wasn't a Spirituality section when it began, and therefore I presume that spirituality wasn't part if the original "plan". Therefore, for me, a question arose when reading the OP, about whether Bill would prefer that the spirituality section, for example, didn't exist.

I don't understand why you have leapt on me. I just want to know whether, in the light of my main interests, Avalon is the place where I should be.
Surely I am free to ask any question I feel would help clarify this for me...

Kathie

[RMorgan]

Hey Bill!

Nice thread!

Well, I believe we already have all the solutions need to end this chaos. The problem is that not all of us are ready to make the sacrifices in order for these solutions to work.

We have MANY amazingly valuable threads here on PA regarding these matters. This forum is a precious place.

As I´ve told on this thread...

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36369-RMorgan--s-thread

...In order to bring these solutions to real life, we first need to hurt the system pretty badly. The only way we, the people, can directly hurt the system is by boycotting it from every side.

Just as an example, look at the OWS movement and its protesters. Their cause is noble, but they are doing it wrong. They complain about the corporate greed, but they all have ipods, drink coke, eat mcdonalds and wear branded clothes.

They have the solutions for many problems, but they (we) will never manage to apply these solutions with such incoherence.

North-Americans keep complaining about the lack of jobs in the USA, because everything is now made in China...But...Which one of them has declined to buy their China made Ipods (and many other Chinese stuff)?

It´s absolutely great to come up with solutions and new ideas, but I don´t think this is the most important thing right now.

In order to build a house, we must prepare the terrain first.

In my opinion, we all need to focus all our energies to find new ways of boycotting the system. They are already doing a pretty good job in order to destroy themselves, but if we don´t give them a hand, they can, and probably will fix themselves.

To resume, there´s no use right now, to keep complaining about the system, and keep coming with theoretically good solutions, if we are actually keeping to support the system, consuming their products daily.

Incoherence has always been our biggest curse. Nothing will change until we get rid of it for good.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Dennis Leahy]

Not sure why you feel "leapt on." I opined that the notion to "identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about." is, in reality, opening Pandora's box. With all the drama on Avalon, why on Earth anyone would want to pick at the scabs of past quasi-healed dramas is beyond me.

If you go back and read Bill's post - the post that started the thread - you won't find an invitation to discuss blind alleys, tangents, and what Bill is least happy about, but rather a call to us all to rekindle Bill's original vision for this forum: "I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled."

Maybe we could discuss rekindling the notion that "Avalon was always meant to be primarily about solutions."

Dennis

[araucaria]

I don’t think my contribution to this forum can work in such terms. I am merely here to gain wisdom to apply to my own local situation and share any I may have that may prove useful elsewhere.

I am sure a web forum can and often does do more than that, but that is my personal point of view, and rest assured I am not about to make an issue of my continued presence here.:)

[Tarka the Duck]

Thank you Dennis - I seem to be having a problem making myself understood!

Let me try this...to take your last statement: my "solutions" are more concerned with the inner world rather than the outer world and I want to know whether that priority is merely tolerated on Avalon, or whether Bill sees this as a core need.

Kathie

PS I truly do not understand why what I asked is so outrageously inflammatory.

[Daft Ada]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks!
Kathie
Wouldn't it be better use of Bill's time, and our time, to focus on what we can do, should do, want to do, are doing... rather than wallow in the most inflammatory possible topic: dredging up the most negative tangents?

I'm sure you're being sincere, Kathy, but, IMO, that topic would be gasoline for the flames of drama - and yet another distraction to the purpose of Avalon.

Dennis

What is going on here??!
I asked a question of Bill - no side issues, no agenda. He clearly has an idea of what Avalon was formed to be: although it will naturally take it's own organic path, I am merely interested to know more of what it is that he doesn't feel was the original intention.

Personally, I am more interests in the spiritual threads on the forum - I was told that there wasn't a Spirituality section when it began, and therefore I presume that spirituality wasn't part if the original "plan". Therefore, for me, a question arose when reading the OP, about whether Bill would prefer that the spirituality section, for example, didn't exist.

I don't understand why you have leapt on me. I just want to know whether, in the light of my main interests, Avalon is the place where I should be.
Surely I am free to ask any question I feel would help clarify this for me...

Kathie

Yes this is most certainly the forum where you should be, we need lot's of nice people like you here.

[Andreash94]

any ground movment in Romania? id like to be informed about it if yes:bounce:

[onawah]

Thanks to Bill for rolling up his sleeves and pitching in here with some positive ideas to build on for the future of Avalon.
That is surely something we can work with.
What more, aside from the Ground Crew, Living off the Grid directions, would you like Avalon to be focusing on, Bill?

[mountain_jim]

The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

I very much appreciate this idealistic intention.
I read the Handbook series with my interest increasing site by site, actually it was the Camelot interview with George and your endorsement of George at the Zurich conference, that I both saw accidentally, that got me into UFO stuff and the bigger picture big time, accompanied with some synchronistic outlandish personal experiences along the way.

Apart from the purposes of the Ground Crew, that you mentioned, it is also clearly stated in the handbooks, that one objective is to anchor a high vibrational frequency, to make subtle yet effective decisions to raise the collective consciousness on every level, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual.

I also read all of Greens's Handbooks, and I Will and Imagine toward's this New Paradigm every day.

I also am observing my own vibrational rate, kundalini and energy-body activity, (apparently) pineal-based awareness effects increasing rather rapidly in these last few months. (Subjective I know, but that's what I am observing.)

I ended up here because of what all I learned about the state of our reality from Project Camelot and Bill and Kerry's efforts. But I also, during this intensive understanding catch-up phase, have learned a lot from Wilcock's writings (Source Field Investigations is great), Dolan's books, the Law of One channeled material, the Seth channeled material, Newton's Journey of Souls, etc.

I have explored my consciousness my whole life, and understand all of this external world is in relation to THAT ONE of which I AM.

I am here because the group here has this shared base of knowledge and understanding about the nature of things in this world to work together to change it for the better.

However, it appears to me, based on this thread and the recent previous posts of Bill the forum's founder and benefactor that led up to this thread, that those of us who think what is happening now in the world and what is required to fix it lies first and foremost in our individual and shared spiritual development and creative abilities, and only secondarily on community activities and activism, are finding our values and contributions here in question.

Because of all the junk being channeled, the very nature of our ability to receive and intuitively judge information from a 'higher' source appears to be doubted.

I realize that most channels eventualy hang themselves as unreliable, as Bill has pointed out recently for Stankov, Salusa, etc, and that the Disclaimer in that forum is warrented.

Yet I also am finding information that resonates as containing truth (and collates with other sources) from sources that are not easily physically identified.

I can not prove it now, but based on the accelerating changes I perceive in my own Being and Awareness, I expect that external world changes are also occuring faster and more for the better than some believe is possible, so I say Time Will Tell on all that.

Something I read today which resonates with me, tracks closely with the more in-depth version I am re-reading now in The Nature of Personal Reality - Specific Practical Techniques for Solving Everyday Problems and Enriching The Life You Know (A Seth book), and helps make the point for what I mean by the potential of our shared spiritual efforts:


Dear Reader,

We live on a beautiful planet. There is so much love and beauty. But the powers that rule it, the governments and the elite, just don't seem to want to do what's right. Mother Earth produces enough to let at least 10 billion people live in peace and abundance, but all our rulers can think of is how to keep their power, create conflics and war, and make us pay more and more. Through dark brotherhoods and secret operations they ignore the will of the people. They try to keep us in a state of dependence and fear through the media that they control.

Isn't it time to change that? Isn't it time that WE decide how our planet is run? It's easier than you think. Yes, really. There's a law of physics that maybe you've already heard about, which is perfect for breaking this old paradigm, this old and worn out system where the rich few control the rest of us. This law is called the "Law of Attraction". It says that whatever you focus on that you want, and truly feel in your heart, you attract to yourself. Just look it up on the web or in the library (read "The Secret" for instance), there are many, many stories of people who changed their lives successfully this way.

The way to use it, is through visualization. When you visualize something that you want, and you feel the joy AS IF IT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED, it will manifest itself.

You can apply this to your personal life, but also for the greater benefit of our planet and mankind. The more people that focus on it, the stronger the energy gets. The energy that is sent out by a group of people, multiplies itself, it becomes stronger than the sum of those people. Don't just take our word for is, it has been proven scientifically. Just watch a video that we made about it, you can find it here:

www.VisualizeDaily.com

Now, there have been many group visualizations and meditations already. For World Peace, for instance. Still, there's no peace. Didn't these actions work? They sure did! You could see it in our video. The problem is, that once the peaceful energy has done its job, if meanwhile the ruling powers keep working in the opposite direction, everything reverts back to the old situation again. Soldiers are ordered to pick up the weapons again that they laid down, crime rises again due to the difficult situation that people are still in, etc.

That's why we need to focus on something that cannot be reversed. Never.

And that is: a BREAKTHROUGH.


Don't worry about exactly what you focus on, energy is an intelligent thing, it will find it's way. As you could see in our video, when people visualize peace, also crimes against people decline, traffic accidents decline, emergency hospital room visits decline, and stock market soar. Peace is peace, a breakthrough is a breakthrough. Energy knows where to go. If we focus on a breakthrough, it will find the weakest link in the chain that still holds this worn out paradigm together. And it will BREAK it.

When enough people visualize it, and truly feel it in their hearts, it will happen. It might be the 6,578th participant who gives the old paradigm its final little push, or it might be the 10,234th, but break it shall. Just wait and see.

Focus on something that will make you really, really happy. And feel the feeling as if it had already happened. Whether it is Obama announcing UFO disclosure, free energy becoming available for the public, a major tv station or newspaper revealing that 9/11 was an inside job, or something else major. It all comes down to the same thing: the end of the dark establishment. Just take your pick :)


What's most important, is the joy that you would feel if this breakthrough had just happened. Visualize, for instance, war and hunger making way for peace and abundance, all around our planet. Desperate children getting new hope. Stress and fear making way for happiness and time with your loved ones. Corrupt politicians and ineffective medical care making way for inspirational leaders and true healing. Toxic food and oil based industry making way for healthy food and free energy. All these things ALREADY EXIST on our planet, but are still being oppressed by the dark system. That's why we need a breakthrough. And we're gonna make it happen!

We have this date 12.11.11 & 12.22.11 to massively join our energies.

It's not important how long you do it, 5 seconds is enough. The important thing is that you truly feel the joy of this breakthrough, as it if had already happened. That's enough to add your own little (but BIG!) contribution to the quantum ways through which the Law of Attraction works. Together we make it a HUGE power that will change this world forever, for the good of the people.

Now comes the second important part. This project works through the 'everybody knows everybody' principle. It is said that within six times of forwarding, you can reach every single person on the planet. So, we ask you to forward this email to EVERYBODY in your address book that you think would like to join this action. By doing this, we can create an enormous army of light, even in one day!

Thank you so much for joining this action. Mother Earth and all of us who are longing for peace and harmony just like you, will be thankful to you. And to everybody else who joined, because we are doing this TOGETHER! Please forward this e-mail now. Don't postpone it, NOW is the moment.

Thank You!!!

[Anchor]

Bill,

perhaps its time for a new vision statement :)

John..

[Kindred]

Something I read today which resonates with me, tracks closely with the more in-depth version I am re-reading now in The Nature of Personal Reality - Specific Practical Techniques for Solving Everyday Problems and Enriching The Life You Know (A Seth book), and helps make the point for what I mean by the potential of our shared spiritual efforts:


Dear Reader,

We live on a beautiful planet. There is so much love and beauty. But the powers that rule it, the governments and the elite, just don't seem to want to do what's right. Mother Earth produces enough to let at least 10 billion people live in peace and abundance, but all our rulers can think of is how to keep their power, create conflics and war, and make us pay more and more. Through dark brotherhoods and secret operations they ignore the will of the people. They try to keep us in a state of dependence and fear through the media that they control.

Isn't it time to change that? Isn't it time that WE decide how our planet is run? It's easier than you think. Yes, really. There's a law of physics that maybe you've already heard about, which is perfect for breaking this old paradigm, this old and worn out system where the rich few control the rest of us. This law is called the "Law of Attraction". It says that whatever you focus on that you want, and truly feel in your heart, you attract to yourself. Just look it up on the web or in the library (read "The Secret" for instance), there are many, many stories of people who changed their lives successfully this way.

The way to use it, is through visualization. When you visualize something that you want, and you feel the joy AS IF IT HAD ALREADY HAPPENED, it will manifest itself.

You can apply this to your personal life, but also for the greater benefit of our planet and mankind. The more people that focus on it, the stronger the energy gets. The energy that is sent out by a group of people, multiplies itself, it becomes stronger than the sum of those people. Don't just take our word for is, it has been proven scientifically. Just watch a video that we made about it, you can find it here:

www.VisualizeDaily.com

Now, there have been many group visualizations and meditations already. For World Peace, for instance. Still, there's no peace. Didn't these actions work? They sure did! You could see it in our video. The problem is, that once the peaceful energy has done its job, if meanwhile the ruling powers keep working in the opposite direction, everything reverts back to the old situation again. Soldiers are ordered to pick up the weapons again that they laid down, crime rises again due to the difficult situation that people are still in, etc.

That's why we need to focus on something that cannot be reversed. Never.

And that is: a BREAKTHROUGH.


Don't worry about exactly what you focus on, energy is an intelligent thing, it will find it's way. As you could see in our video, when people visualize peace, also crimes against people decline, traffic accidents decline, emergency hospital room visits decline, and stock market soar. Peace is peace, a breakthrough is a breakthrough. Energy knows where to go. If we focus on a breakthrough, it will find the weakest link in the chain that still holds this worn out paradigm together. And it will BREAK it.

When enough people visualize it, and truly feel it in their hearts, it will happen. It might be the 6,578th participant who gives the old paradigm its final little push, or it might be the 10,234th, but break it shall. Just wait and see.

Focus on something that will make you really, really happy. And feel the feeling as if it had already happened. Whether it is Obama announcing UFO disclosure, free energy becoming available for the public, a major tv station or newspaper revealing that 9/11 was an inside job, or something else major. It all comes down to the same thing: the end of the dark establishment. Just take your pick :)


What's most important, is the joy that you would feel if this breakthrough had just happened. Visualize, for instance, war and hunger making way for peace and abundance, all around our planet. Desperate children getting new hope. Stress and fear making way for happiness and time with your loved ones. Corrupt politicians and ineffective medical care making way for inspirational leaders and true healing. Toxic food and oil based industry making way for healthy food and free energy. All these things ALREADY EXIST on our planet, but are still being oppressed by the dark system. That's why we need a breakthrough. And we're gonna make it happen!

We have this date 12.11.11 & 12.22.11 to massively join our energies.

It's not important how long you do it, 5 seconds is enough. The important thing is that you truly feel the joy of this breakthrough, as it if had already happened. That's enough to add your own little (but BIG!) contribution to the quantum ways through which the Law of Attraction works. Together we make it a HUGE power that will change this world forever, for the good of the people.

Now comes the second important part. This project works through the 'everybody knows everybody' principle. It is said that within six times of forwarding, you can reach every single person on the planet. So, we ask you to forward this email to EVERYBODY in your address book that you think would like to join this action. By doing this, we can create an enormous army of light, even in one day!

Thank you so much for joining this action. Mother Earth and all of us who are longing for peace and harmony just like you, will be thankful to you. And to everybody else who joined, because we are doing this TOGETHER! Please forward this e-mail now. Don't postpone it, NOW is the moment.

Thank You!!!



I Too feel that the Time is Upon Us to Begin the Change that is Required. The 11th sounds good. I had suggested in another set of threads that the 12th is the beginning of the 2nd Day, of the 9th Wave.

9/11 was the beginning of the 2nd day of the 8th Wave.

Begin on the 11th with the Focus of a Love-Centered Reality with Strong Intent. Hey, Saturday is Just as good!... carry it over to Monday... And Beyond.

In Unity and Peace

[golden lady]

Thanks Bill for the reminder.
Just this very week on the BBC news, although they were talking about being prepared for the winter weather, they advised motorists to carry in their car along with first aid kits etc etc, a pen knife and 3 days worth of bottled water!! I've not heard such a shopping list from them before. Ummm, made me thing are they advising us to being prepared, under the guise of the snowy forecast, for a potential survival situation!

As for living off the grid. I would personally love to live within a self sufficient small community and see this as the way forward. If only I could persuade my '"fast asleep still" husband. Oh well one can dream!



Ps
Also feeling an almost over whelming feeling to be prepared.....

[Bill Ryan]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks, Kathie -- I'm extremely happy with Avalon. I'm proud of the new generation of mods, under Ilie and Paul as admins: for a peek behind the scenes / under the hood / under the bonnet, please read Juha's quite wonderful post here:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35969-Question-about-forum-moderation&p=372208&viewfull=1#post372208

Many, many people have said that they believe Avalon to be the most civilized, best-behaved and intelligent generalist forum on the internet, and I fully agree.

The history of the forum has gone through quite a few evolutionary stages. It started pretty much exactly as I stated: to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

At that time (late 2008), there was just one forum divided into two sections:


Camelot -- whistleblower information about problems and threats.
Avalon -- solutions and positive, constructive networking.

Kerry and I did not agree about some aspects of forum moderation: her preferred style was to tolerate, and even encourage, almost all posts (and posters), and to let the sturm und drang (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sturm%20und%20drang) play out.

Meanwhile, I wanted to provide safeguards for civilized debate, and to ensure that the abusive trolls, egocentric attention-seekers, arrogant know-it-alls, and paid agents were all either excluded or were quickly able to be weeded out.

Kerry and I were unable to reach consensus, and so we agreed that the Camelot Forum should be re-established independently and separately. Kerry remains a member here, but rarely posts.

After that, the potential events that we were both so concerned about (towards the end of 2008) did not transpire. We both, each in our separate ways, relaxed.

As the forum members relaxed as well, the contents of the forum (now known as Avalon 1) became more and more esoteric and generally disconnected from anything that could reasonably be termed 'reality'. One topic in particular triggered a massive division -- more so than anything in the history of Avalon 2 -- and the forum was entirely recreated in 2010 with a complete facelift and a new moderators team.

Avalon 2 has since been very successful. But the distracting and diverting trend for posting speculative, esoteric metaphysics -- and channeled information, only a small proportion of which may be valid -- has continued.

This last paragraph is my essential answer to your question. I don't want to censor what is in my opinion delusional, zero-value nonsense from Georgi Stankov and Mike Quinsey -- but I'm not very comfortable with so much attention devoted to it.

My very strong personal opinion is that it simply wastes everyone's time -- when they could be more valuably attending to serious matters.

The same goes for the Elenin hiatus -- now thankfully behind us. And John Calleman's Mayan non-event. And only time will tell whether Ben Fulford's regular-as-clockwork fantastical claims are valid or not. (I suspect they are not.)

All my intuition tells me right now that it's time to be very careful indeed about what may be sprung upon us in the coming months. That's why I started this thread.

I'm a metaphysician myself, and I do think that it's to some degree valid to discuss items such as whether or not we ourselves, long ago functioning as godlike beings but now limping along in a fallen, amnesic state, are the creators of the universe (we are, btw. :) ).

At the same time, I suggest there's way too much time devoted to discussing gripes and personal issues. We're living in a burning building -- or maybe your wing has not ignited yet! I ask you those of you who've seen it before to forgive me for posting this image once again -- the most graphically apocalyptic real photo I have ever seen:

http://projectavalon.net/Niger_2.jpg

This is the problem. Planet Earth has been trashed. It may be trashed further. We educated westerners are the privileged elite. The Ascension myth as commonly understood (not as Inelia defines it, which is something quite different) is nothing more than New Age elitism. That's another beef I have. It's a massive diversion that goes nowhere.

There is a rise in consciousness at this time -- and a rising tide floats all boats. So the world is changing.

But as I've often said, it may take several generations to fix it all. Watch this video interview with Matthew Stein (http://whentechfails.com), author of the very important book When Technology Fails:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivS8KC72KVY

So -- that was a long answer, with a few deviations en route, to a simple question. Thanks for asking it.

I'm more convinced now than I was before I started this thread that we need to refocus on sensible preparedness. Not as doom-mongering: but more as prepare for the worst, and hope for the best.

While the boats are steadily and inexorably beginning to float on the rising tide, the global controllers may just possibly take it upon themselves to really pull the plug on many things we value and take for granted... such as electricity, infrastructure, communications, travel, finance and liberty.

Oh yes -- and this forum, as well.

:)

All you have to do is to decide what to do with the time given to you.
--Gandalf

[Second Son]

Thank you for your timely post, Bill. I almost jumped ship in my first couple of months as a member, because, as you so eloquently pointed out, the forum seemed to miss what I thought was the intended mark... finding and sharing SOLUTIONS, networking, etc.

I too find all the channeled drivel to be very self serving to a bunch of self styled gurus/channelers and their followers. With all of the very real threats to our collective liberties, this flaky, new-agey nonsense frankly makes me want to puke...

I hope I wrote that last part benignly enough to suit everyone, but honestly, the time to be politically correct is long gone in my opinion. If we all have to zip our lips for fear of being marginalized, then the only ones who will be getting their passionate (yet delusional) message out will be hate jockeys, like O'Reilly, Limbaugh, et al.

[aranuk]

Thank you Bill for keeping us on track with things present and things to come.I haven't watched that video yet but I will later.

Stan

[Vangelo]

...
The greatest obstacle that occurred during this process was working without ego. My own included in this. Many came in looking for a free ride and feeling that they deserved one, others were knowledgeable yet could not function in a community situation unless they were in control. Some felt they were lacking in talents and did not feel empowered. It was a wonderful and very beautiful experience trying to form groups out of all of us as we are all so unique and all had many lessons to learn.
...

Wormhole, you stated this so very, very well. I cannot emphasize enough the importance of this issue and finding a way to solve it (I wish I could offer some brilliant solution here). If, God forbid, things get bad enough that we are in survival mode, I would hope to meet up with people like you.

Regards,
Vinnie

[Daft Ada]

nice one Bill. Everyone I talk to has, like myself a constant feeling that something is going to happen. It's been there for quite some time now and everyone is always looking for what it is that is going to happen, was it Disclosure? was it Elenin? Was it ascension? was it to be a sudden leap in intelligence and understanding? is it the overthrowing of the PTB and the clearing out of the underground bases and everything that goes with it?
Months and months this has been going on, one thing passes by and is replaced by another coming. I think it's been going on so long now that everyone is on edge, everyone has a hair trigger, everyone is like a pressure cooker that's been left on too long. But what is it? what is the thing we are all feeling and our guts is telling us is going to happen?
Is it something to do with the big ships around the Sun? God I wish I knew and the suspense is killing me like everyone else, people keep presenting things as if they have discovered the answer, but all they do is add to the confusion. Something is coming I know not what, but I am seeing the effects on everybody every day on this forum.

[Dawn]

...In order to bring these solutions to real life, we first need to hurt the system pretty badly. The only way we, the people, can directly hurt the system is by boycotting it from every side.


I'd like to add my $.02 in here for what it is worth. I used to think that hurting the system was really important and would create change. And I am glad for the many that do what they do in this regard. However, in the long run pushing back at those who pushed you creates more energy in the war between factions. Notice how many times the 'rabble' has roused, only to be put back down by the next 'new' government that takes over. Not a path to permanent change at all- in fact just the same-old same-old going on and on.

When I first saw this I was dumfounded. How on earth could I create change? I finally realized it must start with me and I have been focusing on what changes I'd like to see ever since. Mostly, as far as I can see I just need to withdraw my energy from what is, and put it into something new. And this led to me walking away from my profession, my home, my family and my role as a member of the safely established way to live. Took a lot of courage.

Where I am currently choosing to live most are asleep, uninspired, and resigned. I decided to be the change here and have inspired many to begin to change too. Here's a link to the photo story of the tiny garden I created this past year: www.mytinygarden.com

This little garden doesn't threaten anyone, there is no pushing at authorities, and no one is hurt. Yet in it are little seeds for change (no pun intended).

Is this the magnitude of the change needed? Absolutely not. But it also doesn't inspire a backlash.

[Davidallany]

There is no forum on Terra quite like Avalon. Just like a wise and intellegent captain, that knows how to steer the ship, Bill has done a wonderful and dare I say, revolutionary job. I admit that I am a loyal to Avalon, but those of you who are familiar with my postings know that I am not afraid to speak my mind, so this is not a suck up. Avalon, indeed is bigger than any one member.

Since I came to Avalon, my knowledge and perception have been enriched. As the only person with a Buddhist monk title on the forum, I thought I could point some members according to their needs, instead I found a treasure and a revolutionary way of perception that has been making me more and more conscious.

I can see much clearer now than ever for having achieved a silghtly higher consciousness, this achievement has helped me see the madness around me, but I still have much to strive towards. So I pledge my support to Avalon, especially in the most effective way, financially. I urge every member who has benefited as much as I did, to do the same thing, this is the current reality and we must use realistic tools to deal with it, so please donate, do not thank my post, just go to the donation page and make it happen, that's how you can thank this post.
May your aspirations come true.

[Cjay]

any ground movment in Romania? id like to be informed about it if yes:bounce:

I think we all need to be pro-active, not sit around waiting for others to take leadership.

Why not start a thread with a title something like "Romania Ground Crew" or something more specific to your local area. Suggest a place, date and time for a meeting (allow about one month lead-time) and invite suggestions from others. Your meetings may start small - that's fine. Don't wait - just do it.


May I suggest a new category (is that correct word?) be created specifically for Local Meetings and that the Melbourne meetup thread be moved to the Local Meetings category.

I would like to add to that suggestion that sub-categories be set up for each country or region to keep things slightly more organised and make it easier for everyone to find meetings in their area.


Survival basics

If we find ourselves in a global depression or any situation with society and infrastructure crumbling, then basic survival will be our main priority. Clean drinking water will be at the top of our list.

One of the next most urgent priorities will be food. We should all learn how to grow our own food. It is easy to grow food, even in very small places. However, growing food takes time, so we should all learn about which plants that grow in the wild are edible, as well as which plants are toxic and which plants can be used for medicine.

Shelter and clothing will also be very high on our list of priorities. Learn first-aid - it will probably save your life or someone else's life. Learning how to make useful things from junk is another valuable skill.

There are some excellent threads (and some very good posts in seemingly un-related threads) that cover all of these survival subjects. There are some excellent books on basic and advanced survival techniques. Get some survival books because if all technology fails, we can still read books.

[onawah]

I would just like to interject some comments I made on another thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36415--sarcasm---2011-Metatron-is-coming-&p=376209#post376209

Please keep in mind that TPTW, through various psy-op programs or whatever, also seek to discredit channelers, mediums, psychics and others who make direct contact with their Higher Selves, higher dimensional beings, and ETs.
A lot of the bogus channeled info is out there, IMHO, because they have put it there, funded it, and encourage it.
To make it look like ALL the mediums, psychics and channelers are hoaxers.
The reason TPTW are doing this is because they feel very threatened by those who are genuinely gifted and relatively clear channels for the benevolent beings who want to help Earth through the Shift.
And whose assistance, in my opinion, many of us are very much in need of.
To trash all channeling and mediumship, etc. just racks up another point for their side.

and also to add that, IMHO, though I agree much of "channeled" (mostly actually "made up", though perhaps well meaning) info such as SaLusa, etc is worthless at best and misleading at worst, what there is of the good material is still worthy of including on the forum.

Although ALL such information needs to be read with discernment, I think the good sources really do bring us a lot of wisdom and hope and help us to remember to stay in connection with Spirit, to keep a sense of wonder and to know that we are not alone.

That is something that can easily be forgotten when earthly concerns are so pressing as they are now, and forgetting can lead to a lot of unnecessary pain and despair.
Some Conspiracy Theorists seem to have no real sense of the importance of our spiritual side at all, and could use some exposure to the Light.

Most of the news on the planet right now isn't good, and people like PA members who are trying to deal with some of the scariest and most depressing information may also need a space where we can retreat to for some uplifting news and encouragement sometimes.

Of course, we can always go to other sites where this kind of information is the focus, but I like the balance that we have here on Avalon, and I like to be able to share and discuss the more esoteric information with members here who are also aware of so much else besides, to compare and contrast and share the inspirational as well as the more practical info.

I think that balance is really a valuable component of Avalon and what has kept me coming back here since even before the initial 2010 "cleanup".
Though I do agree that it would be a good idea to limit some of the info that is currently allowed into the Spirituality forum.
I just don't know how that might be done.

Lately, though, the Spirituality forum doesn't seem to be such a problem compared to other problems, and I would respectfully suggest that it not be omitted altogether as some sort of sacrificial lamb, when the more serious problems lay elsewhere.

[Thefrenzy1978]

nice one Bill. Everyone I talk to has, like myself a constant feeling that something is going to happen. It's been there for quite some time now and everyone is always looking for what it is that is going to happen, was it Disclosure? was it Elenin? Was it ascension? was it to be a sudden leap in intelligence and understanding? is it the overthrowing of the PTB and the clearing out of the underground bases and everything that goes with it?
Months and months this has been going on, one thing passes by and is replaced by another coming. I think it's been going on so long now that everyone is on edge, everyone has a hair trigger, everyone is like a pressure cooker that's been left on too long. But what is it? what is the thing we are all feeling and our guts is telling us is going to happen?
Is it something to do with the big ships around the Sun? God I wish I knew and the suspense is killing me like everyone else, people keep presenting things as if they have discovered the answer, but all they do is add to the confusion. Something is coming I know not what, but I am seeing the effects on everybody every day on this forum.


I think you hit the nail on the head i feel the same way i feel something building up but to what i dont know but i dont fear it but i dont fear nothing except the safety of my family but im going to quote the old wise turtle from kung fu panda "yesterday was history tomorrow is a mystery and today is a gift thats why we call it the present" i beleave it to be wise words live for today as no one knows what around the corner .


thanks Mike

[161803398]

I think the system gets most of its money from illegal drugs and other forms of corruption. The best thing anyone could do is to convince all the heroin addicts they are supporting the banks, the military, the CIA and a corrupt government.

[TraineeHuman]

I agree with Bill that there is often too much would-be metaphysics on the Forum for my taste. I say “would-be” because I just happen to know, from direct experience, starting at extraordinarily young ages, that nearly all of what I read is full of errors or half-truths that the authors obviously don’t know about. They don’t know about the errors because, presumably, they haven’t fully experienced what they write about.

On the other hand, how does anybody increase their own insight into metaphysical issues? Maybe through reading such attempts at explaining things, however flawed some of them might be.

Still, surely metaphysics is very very important. There is certainly a strong tradition, both in the West and the East, that positive change to society and the environment comes about primarily through sufficiently great positive change at an inner level. I could list many of the most highly regarded spiritual teachers, such as Krishnamurti and all the Indian gurus, for instance. There’s also the Quakers, whose leader George Fox was imprisoned on the grounds that his promotion of quietism was considered politically subversive in the nineteenth century (for whatever insane reasons). One interesting case was Sri Aurobindo, today regarded in India as one of the greatest gurus in many centuries. In his adolescence he (not Ghandi, by the way!) was secretly the leader of the Indian independence movement, that blew up British trains. In the second half of his life, however, he changed to adopting the quietist position, on the grounds that he now understood it would bring about change more effectively. Consider also Galileo’s 15-year house arrest by the catholic church for discovering that the earth went around the sun, and the execution of his four predecessors such as Bruno. Knowledge is powerful. Also, spiritual enlightenment is the discovery that the outer and the inner are one and the same, in many senses.

Then there’s the research in sociology and in the history of ideas. Such research makes it clear that how people will think in coming decades seems to be very much determined by what is in the consciousness of the small percentage of the population who make up “the leading edge”. According to such researchers, it is also clear that today the alternative movement is virtually identical to that leading edge.

Finally, I’d like to mention psychic healing. It’s a great thing if we can devise a way for everybody to survive through a period of no electricity or whatever. But it’s also true that psychic healing is a metaphysical act that has real physical consequences. Why don’t we all direct healing energies towards all the journalists in the world, so that they will find a little more courage to do what is in any case their ethical obligation, which is to whistleblow more facts to the general public? It seems to me we need both -- inner "action" and outer, practical action to save the planet.

[Arrowwind]

Survival basics[/B]

If we find ourselves in a global depression or any situation with society and infrastructure crumbling, then basic survival will be our main priority. Clean drinking water will be at the top of our list.

One of the next most urgent priorities will be food. We should all learn how to grow our own food. It is easy to grow food, even in very small places. However, growing food takes time, so we should all learn about which plants that grow in the wild are edible, as well as which plants are toxic and which plants can be used for medicine.

Shelter and clothing will also be very high on our list of priorities. Learn first-aid - it will probably save your life or someone else's life. Learning how to make useful things from junk is another valuable skill.

There are some excellent threads (and some very good posts in seemingly un-related threads) that cover all of these survival subjects. There are some excellent books on basic and advanced survival techniques. Get some survival books because if all technology fails, we can still read books.

This is clearly my position. While we are preparing to attend to such needs we should endeavor to meet them in an evnironmentally sound way with sustainable agriculture, sustainable construction, sustainable interconnected communites that support one another in business and product availabiltiy. Also intermingled in this endeavor is the ongoing education of self and community at large, both your local community and neighboring communities.

Think globally, act locally.

Although I do harbor some feelings of doom and gloom scenarios I see it as the fire under my seat to get moving into projects that will only assist my family and the community in the long run. Ultimately I act positive in my relations and communications with neighbors ... we all really do know the gloom and doom possibilities ... and we are all working to create our way into a positive experience buy staying focused on the positive and keeping the doom an gloom discussions limited to specific times to address specific concerns to assure we are covering all ends and meeting all likely potienial realites with ease.

[bearcow]

character is everything in determining the fate of civilization.

it is really that simple, the technological and social methodology we use to save or destroy ourselves is something that occurs after the meaningful choices have been made.

[Belle]

Couldn't log out without saying thank you for this thread, Bill, especially your response to Kathie (post 26).

I've spent a lifetime seeking balance in all things. I've found that the physical and spiritual always try to balance each other out, each aspect reflected in the other.

This thread, if we choose to follow up and act on it, can help us find the balance necessary to face whatever it is that is coming at us without fear...prepared both physically and spiritually.

[Mandala]

With Bill Ryan restating the original purpose of Avalon, we may need to be more proactive than ever, due to time constraints. Very recently I saw this video from Dutchsinse which shines a light for what may actually be in store for us in real time. If you have the me please view the video, listen to his comments and allow the repercussions to sink in.

FEMA camps on 72 hour notice AND military authorized to arrest = VERIFIED


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hxs0sJ8f1WQ

[Mandala]

If you are one of the many Americans who still have on rose-colored glasses, or who still have your head buried in the sand (or stuck somewhere else warm and dark), it is time to pull your head out and face the reality of what the federal government is telling you by the actions of its agents. Those actions show both what they fear and their intent. What they fear are prepared, equipped, and “switched on” Americans, and their intent is to identify who they are, where they are, and then plan on dealing with them when the time comes. And rest assured that time will come. The recent U.S. Senate passage of S. 1867, which authorizes military detention and trial of U.S, citizens under the international laws of war (as if we were conquered Iraq or Afghanistan) is also an expression of their intent, and their contempt for the Bill of Rights.

[Mandala]

Oath Keepers has learned that federal agents recently visited a Latter Day Saints (Mormon) Church food storage cannery in Tennessee, demanding customer lists, wanting to know the identity of Americans who are purchasing food storage from the Mormons.

This incident was confirmed, in person, by Oath Keepers Tennessee Chapter President, Rand Cardwell. Here is Rand’s report:

“A fellow veteran contacted me concerning a new and disturbing development. He had been utilizing a Mormon cannery near his home to purchase bulk food supplies. The man that manages the facility relayed to him that federal agents had visited the facility and demanded a list of individuals that had been purchasing bulk food. The manager informed the agents that the facility kept no such records and that all transactions were conducted on a cash-and-carry basis. The agents pressed for any record of personal checks, credit card transactions, etc., but the manager could provide no such record. The agents appeared to become very agitated and after several minutes of questioning finally left with no information. I contacted the manager and personally confirmed this information.

This event points to a new level of federal government encroachment on the basic freedoms of the American people. Likewise, it points to a confused policy within federal agencies. The Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), in their “Are You Ready?” guide to “In Depth Citizen Preparedness” recommends that citizens store emergency supplies, including bulk food, in the event of a natural disaster or man-made event (the new politically correct term applied to a terrorist attack). The FEMA guidance is spot-on as it allows individuals and families to be self-sufficient during an emergency situation.

And here in Tennessee, we just learned that Nashville Metro Public Health and the Tennessee Department of Health are conducting “door-to-door assessment of disaster preparedness … using a tool designed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to go door to door and check to see how disaster ready you are. .. in 30 neighborhoods in Davidson County [TN] that have been randomly selected to be the target of a door to door assessment.” I have confirmed that that is a state run effort.

So on the one hand, government agencies both state and federal are urging you to be prepared and even checking up on you to see how prepared you are, and on the other hand, we now have federal agencies that are attempting to gather information on individuals that are following FEMA suggestions. What is the reasoning behind gathering this information? Are American citizens now being “listed” by DHS if they are simply following FEMA guidance and purchasing bulk food and emergency supplies for their families? It appears as so.

If you are one of the many Americans who still have on rose-colored glasses, or who still have your head buried in the sand (or stuck somewhere else warm and dark), it is time to pull your head out and face the reality of what the federal government is telling you by the actions of its agents. Those actions show both what they fear and their intent. What they fear are prepared, equipped, and “switched on” Americans, and their intent is to identify who they are, where they are, and then plan on dealing with them when the time comes. And rest assured that time will come. The recent U.S. Senate passage of S. 1867, which authorizes military detention and trial of U.S, citizens under the international laws of war (as if we were conquered Iraq or Afghanistan) is also an expression of their intent, and their contempt for the Bill of Rights.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/12/08/oath-keepers-alert-federal-agents-demand-customer-lists-from-mormon-food-storage-facility/

[CdnSirian]

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Hi, Folks:

The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

Avalon was always intended as a complement to Camelot. Camelot woke millions of people up by alerting them to and informing them about under-reported (or unreported!) threats and dangers to our civilization and freedom.

Avalon was always meant to be primarily about solutions. Like: Okay, now we know we're in trouble. How can we work together to handle it?

I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled. This is one of the main items on which I have attention at the moment.

The long-established (but seldom-visited!) Living Off the Grid (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?69-Living-Off-The-Grid) subforum may well prove to be one of the most valuable resources here. Do take a look at it! And please contribute with good, solid information, on all the various relevant topics, if you have it.

I do welcome all thoughts, feelings and intuitions about this, from all members.

Warmest regards to everyone -- Bill

I'm glad you posted this Bill. I have recommended GG's 3 handbooks on PA but felt a little odd doing so. In the 3 handbooks, GG recommends staying under the radar. Form small quiet groups. Obviously PA is not a small quiet group, under the radar. But hopefully we're beyond that stage.

Most of the aware population are not capable of getting off the grid, growing food and as to water supply - completely dependent. So it's scary. We truly have to stay on the preferred timeline.

[jcocks]

My gut feeling is that if we end up in survival mode, then we have already lost. It will be survival of the fittest... and the world we will be left with will be one we most likely won't want to live in. It would take a monumental effort over many years to stop the world falling further into chaos from survival mode. We should concentrate instead on *NOT LETTING THIS HAPPEN*, on maybe showing enough initiative in changing things that we may get some help to do so, because we will need it. We can't do this on our own, and it's not a sin to accept any help that is offered.


Maybe, on the other hand, the key will be achieving critical mass, so to speak, after which the change in humanity's consciousness occurs so fast and with such ferocity that the PTW are powerless to do anything against it. We may not even consciously realise when we hit critical mass to start with...This would be the "mass ascention" that the new-age bunch talk of.

[pyriel]

War in the world and in the USA I think is inevitable now. S.1876 bill is the final nail in the coffin.. It doesnt even need to pass really.. The ground crew... I believe are those who will come out and start teaching the people how to garden/grow food, live on the land and amplify it's beauty and not destroy it. There will be groups/crews that have different ways of doing things but will benefit all people. The ground crew will likely be those who left cities and go out into the wilderness and return to be teachers. They will be more in touch with nature and the world cause of being out in the wilderness... Mother(gaia, mother earth) will teach them and they will return to the people and teach the people.. I've learned plenty but I wont teach it do to the fact the local, state and federal government would likely come in and remove/destroy it all like they've been doing recently across the USA..

[Chucky]

Good point Bill, I listened on Alex Jones about the FEMA camps and now the attempt to obtain information about people regarding their food supplys (Bulk). Not to mention the National Guards that stood down after refusing to endorse the question-survey on whether they would shoot americans. These ingredients plus the new legislation does show america and the world right now we all need to prepare as they say. The writing is on the wall.
I guess really now is the time folks especially in America to stand together and plan. Plan like no tomorrow to back eachother up and assist where you can in case of this rediculous agenda 21, new world order attemp closes in.

I am American born and lived for only a few years in the USA before coming here to Australia. I was made to pledge of allegiance to the flag. It made me feel privellaged to be an american. I know what the constitution is. I have a copy of it. Bill of Rights too, but most important guys and this is the way I always looked at these historical documents as if they applied to everyone on this planet. Now please tell your friends who don't hear the message. Tell them READ the contitution and they will see the mess that is coming. My opinion of course. Good luck to all.

[Ilie Pandia]

any ground movment in Romania? id like to be informed about it if yes:bounce:

I'll reply to this publicly so that every Romanian member can see the reply, but please if you want to comment further let's use the PM system or create a separate thread for the Romanian ground crew.

The websites you will mots likely be interested in are:

- http://guvernareonline.com/ (An interesting proposal of online government)
- http://www.rufon.org/forum/ (Romanian UFO research forum)

[Wiremu2011]

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Hi, Folks:

The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

Avalon was always intended as a complement to Camelot. Camelot woke millions of people up by alerting them to and informing them about under-reported (or unreported!) threats and dangers to our civilization and freedom.

Avalon was always meant to be primarily about solutions. Like: Okay, now we know we're in trouble. How can we work together to handle it?

I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled. This is one of the main items on which I have attention at the moment.

The long-established (but seldom-visited!) Living Off the Grid (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?69-Living-Off-The-Grid) subforum may well prove to be one of the most valuable resources here. Do take a look at it! And please contribute with good, solid information, on all the various relevant topics, if you have it.

I do welcome all thoughts, feelings and intuitions about this, from all members.

Warmest regards to everyone -- Bill

I can happily say that our Ground Crew (at least it's CORE group) still very much exists and has existed since it's infancy as you mentioned Bill in 2008. So much so, as we've had regular meets since then with possible solutions for possible scenarios within our control of course, going forward into the unknown future. We intend to have our last "catch up" of the year next Friday evening in, of all places - an Indian restaurant ..;)
Having the Ground Crew has been one of the best things happen to the members who still exist and have become the best of friends since. If you live in NSW and express interest in meeting amongst like minded - as we say, then PM me. However, if you do and are an infiltrating enemy of humanity, be rest assured your "vibe" will immediately be discerned .... otherwise you're more than welcome to be amongst 'good company' ....Cheers! :)

[Pete]

Hello Bill!
As I wasn't around in the heady days of Camelot, I wondered if you could identify the avenues (if any) Avalon has followed, that you are least happy about.

I know this could be a delicate topic for some, but clarity is always preferable ;)

Thanks!
Kathie
Wouldn't it be better use of Bill's time, and our time, to focus on what we can do, should do, want to do, are doing... rather than wallow in the most inflammatory possible topic: dredging up the most negative tangents?

I'm sure you're being sincere, Kathy, but, IMO, that topic would be gasoline for the flames of drama - and yet another distraction to the purpose of Avalon.

Dennis

This resonates very strongly with me and I can't help thinking. " self fulfilling prophecy". it seems to me that despite Avalon's prime purpose an unexpected dimension has come into play. I fully acknowledge the importance of the ground crew idea and believe it's important.

In fact I personally understood the problem from exactly the same paradigm, but I have to say that is no longer the case. I have experienced too much personal awakening to discount this more powerful and pervasive force and I, and all of you, should have to acknowledge that the dark forces have been suppressing this part of our nature for a reason.

You need to ask yourself why?

I believe there is a perfect example of what we are talking about, "the ghost song" (forgive me, I may have remembered this incorrectly) red Indians. This practice was outlawed and the tribe eradicated but you have have to ask yourself why?

why did a small number of humans singing a song become such a threat? Now consider what would happen if a million people combined their voices or thought to a positive conclusion.

By trying to be realistic you are in fact accepting that it is impossible to overcome the evil cabal without the complete destruction of our civilization, you are accepting a perceived outcome, you don't have to!

Yes I am sure that if there is Disruption the resource we have in place will be of immense use, but I think that most of the people who have researched the problem in depth must see that there is a very strong emphasis upon the spiritual dumbing down of the sheep. They have not done this without reason.

Also what have you got to loose, to dream of a peaceful conclusion of their rule, a complete bloodless coup. They do happen, who would have dared believe in perestroika and west and east Germany reunited.

Yes it is interesting to think of why Avalon was formed, but recognize that evolution is at play and nothing stays static for long.

We need all of your thought to join in envisioning a peaceful resolution without disruption and we can fall back on this resource if and when we need it.

[araucaria]

Bill, I would like to take up your point about incoming tides floating boats and worries about what the global controllers are going to do next.

I would suggest that the metaphorical incoming tide is close to turning and that the ‘global controllers’ would like us to think that it is going to rise further, flooding inland areas. They may know how to create tsunamis, but they do not control natural cycles. If there is any plug pulling to be done, in my opinion it will be done by this fledgling flotilla.

The planet is being trashed, OK; but this is not a wartime situation where you wait for peace to begin reconstruction. Reconstruction is already underway big time, as evidenced in that video you posted that brought tears to your eyes. If the gardener is behind on his work, plants will still sprout their new shoots through the dead leaves, as if they weren’t there. They are still there but no longer relevant.

A lot of doom-mongering is done by drawing a straight line up or down a sine wave, i.e. taking a temporary trend for a permanent one. This is how the global warming scam works for instance. Every year, the days get shorter and shorter and we wonder will it ever end. It always does though, but it takes a couple of days to establish that the days are actually getting longer, which is why Christmas falls when it does.

This is what we’ll be celebrating at the end of 2012. Meantime we can get some practice in over the next few weeks.
:)

[Carolin]

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The original purpose of the Avalon Forum (founded towards the end of 2008) was to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

Avalon was always intended as a complement to Camelot. Camelot woke millions of people up by alerting them to and informing them about under-reported (or unreported!) threats and dangers to our civilization and freedom.

Avalon was always meant to be primarily about solutions. Like: Okay, now we know we're in trouble. How can we work together to handle it?

I'm starting to feel in my bones that this core purpose, without taking anything away from the rest of the forum, needs to be rekindled. This is one of the main items on which I have attention at the moment.

The long-established (but seldom-visited!) Living Off the Grid (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/forumdisplay.php?69-Living-Off-The-Grid) subforum may well prove to be one of the most valuable resources here. Do take a look at it! And please contribute with good, solid information, on all the various relevant topics, if you have it.

I do welcome all thoughts, feelings and intuitions about this, from all members.

Warmest regards to everyone -- Bill

Glad to hear you say this Bill!!! A feeling in my bones is what brough me to Camelot originally then subsequently here. However, it has become painfully obvious that a vast majority here don't want to discuss it.....where "prediction" has become a dirty word. I could be wrong about it being the majority but they shout loud enough to make it seem that way. Again, I will state that I'm grateful to the whole Elenin false flag for kicking me in my complacency.

I still feel very strongly that there are many things that are threatening our way of life. It would be prudent if we were prepared for the financial crisis, war with Iran/China/Russia/Pakistan, CMEs, extreme weather changes, environmental disasters, the increase in earthquakes and volcanic activity. These things are currently happening and pretending nothing is out of the ordinary or trying to think them away with positive energy isn't going to change that.

Forgive me when I say I've getting very mixed messages. It's okay to talk about prepping or sustainable existance but we can't talk about the perceived threat? We can talk about feelings or intuition but it can't be someone's predictions? We can share information but it shouldn't be in the form of a youtube video? By the time we stop quibbling over semantics it will be too late to utilize the forewarning we've been given! What a shame that will be.

[CdnSirian]

Jcocks: "Maybe, on the other hand, the key will be achieving critical mass, so to speak, after which the change in humanity's consciousness occurs so fast and with such ferocity that the PTW are powerless to do anything against it. We may not even consciously realise when we hit critical mass to start with...This would be the "mass ascention" that the new-age bunch talk of. " If I understand them correctly, this idea is exactly what the 3 handbooks present. It is mainly to do with consciousness.

[Tarka the Duck]

Reply to Bill's post number 26:

Thanks for that clarification, Bill - exactly what I asked for ;) !

Kathie

[onawah]

Pete, what you were referring to is I think the Ghost Dance of the Native Americans;


Nineteenth-century Native American cult. It represented an attempt by Indian peoples in the western U.S. to rehabilitate their traditional cultures. The Ghost Dance arose in 1889, when the Paiute prophet-dreamer Wovoka announced the imminent return of the dead (hence "ghost"), the ousting of the whites, and the restoration of Indian lands, food supplies, and way of life, all of which would be hastened by dances and songs revealed in Wovoka's spiritual visions. The Ghost Dance spread rapidly. It coincided with the Sioux outbreak of 1890, which culminated in the massacre at Wounded Knee, where the "ghost shirts" failed to protect the wearers as promised by Wovoka. The cult soon became obsolete.

Read more: http://www.answers.com/topic/ghost-dance#ixzz1g9Gq6iO3

[percival tyro]

When someone posts a spark on Avalon it often turns into a decent communal fire. As the times of our lives become more testing, our forum might see a few roaring fires. Interspersed with a modicum of frivolity of course. I get a feeling that many of us are anticipating serious traumas and needs . A time for prayers and a time for deeds.

[Hughe]

Dear Bill,

Honestly you and most of frontiers in alternative media field are missing the big point or just play safe and keep the movement going.
All those good ideas, projects are shallow and TPTB barely feel as a threat to them except the resistant movement against the violence and wars.

You often mentioned we have all the tools, potentials, and great people and we could do clean up the mess by ourselves. I do agree with you.
The question is how? I disagree with the Ground Crew kind of thing. It will end up creating small community for few individuals who really believe in. Having complete different lifestyle is hard thing to do.

Why you guys including others so reluctant about insisting, bringing out real FE technologies in public domain? Instead focus on structural change of society. To me is it so simple and ultimate solution. It will just destroy the pyramid of TPTB instantly. I talked with people about living in free society, all of them love it. I don't need to explain it. "We will have independent energy and food supply."

I think you know how serious dealing with FE technologies. Why Mr. Alex Jones never talks about Free Energy? How about the Coast to Coast? Just imagine alternative media sites and experts coordinated project that help and manage independent researchers over the world, make real FE devices come out within one or two years. Public domain, free to use, no reliability whatsoever, which how the open source software has been successful.

It will hit every body hard as the energy scarcity becomes deeper, food price gets expensive. Just having independent food and carry on peaceful living in a small village with likely-minded people? I mean those villages probably live longer but when entire civilization crashes, they will be the next.

What if hundred millions users talking about FE technologies, give pressure to MSM and governments. Educate their children "You go to school toady and ask about Nicloa Tesla's wireless transmission to teachers." giving few pages print out about Nicola Tesla so that if teachers ignore the children in classroom, boy or girl show it to the teacher's face. Any of you who have children talked about new society based on FE technologies? Wade has been amazing jobs here just to spread the reality of FE technologies, society of abundance paradigm.

[mosquito]

I'm still trying to marshal my thoughts on this topic, but first of all I'd also like to thank Bill for taking the time and trouble to give Kathie (Tarka) such a good answer.

I've seen our current world situation coming for about 20 years now and have tried on several occasions to get away from the system, but I've always been dumped straight back into it in different ways. So I don't think there are any easy solutions. Life has taught me that the one thing I can do is work on myself, to live as harmoniously as possibly, to be as authentic as possible and to not try and fix the world. Being true to myself is a far greater service to others than anything else I could do, so that's what I do. But I still experience frustration at people's inability to see what's so damned obvious and at my own inability to provide solutions.

Fighting the system will only give it power. My feeling (and it's a very strong feeling) is that the control system is like a breaking wave, and it's about to hit the shore. I'm not a surfer, but the analogy here would be to ride the wave and allow it to crash. Sure it's going to cause damage when it crashes, but most importantly, it's going to destroy itsself. There is a Daoist term - wu wei (无为) which basically means conscious inaction, this is what I'm constantly being taught to cultivate.

There's always lots of talk of reaching a critical mass of awakened people, of "100 monkeys", and people like David Icke are doing tremendous work in lifting the veil from poeple's eyes. But what everyone seems to forget is the children - for every adult finally awakening there are thousands of children, bright, alive, vivacious, fully-conscious, awake and very very aware children being processed by the education systems around the world, having their consciousness switched off so they can become mindless slaves to the system. The result being that humanity never reaches a critical mass. And here I am, working in the education system, not by design (if you'd told me in 2006 that I'd end up in this job, I'd have laughed myself senseless), but I feel I've been led. I often give myself a hard time for being here, but then I realise that short of world-wide fame (no thank you) nothing else would give me the opportunity to touch so many pristine lives. So I endeavour to do what I've always done best, give my students confidence and teach them to trust their own intuition.

Is this thread going to go the same way that so many of the useful threads go - after doing the round of the N.American times zones, just fizzle out ?

[MorningSong]

Thank-you, Mariposafe... Yes! I, too, have found myself ending up in a teaching position...something I never imagined I'd do since I have a Science degree. I teach ESL (English as a Second Language) Conversation in the Italian public highschool system. Althought I have a yearly outlined "program" that I am charged to follow each year, I can choose exactly what gets presented in the class, not obligated to follow a textbook. As you can imagine, a lot of my students, about 200 or more each year, are immigrants/children of immigrants.

Needless to say, much of my time with the students in spent discussing much of what is presented on Avalon regarding the changing times we live in and what we can do/expect of our future, and noone need fear... so many of these young adults are extremely awake! Viva Consciousness! Just one step at a time, one life touches so many! And in turn, so many touch my own!

[Anchor]

When I first joined Avalon I was very fired by the ground crew concept.

As time went past, a lot of fear got released.

So even though I personally have walked the talk so far as being ready to move off-grid goes and preparing for some potentially wild times ahead, I have found that it is just as important to pursue strongly the inner path and advance as far as one can along that path so as to understand ones place in the wider context of things and have proper grounding and reasons NOT to be afraid and understand why. In fact the two things seem to go hand in hand.

I have always felt it a desire to fan the esoteric flames in Avalon; feeling it had somehow remained discouraging to anything faith based. Yes in a strange way a lot of conspiracy/whistle-blower material is faith based - unless it can be proven, which it rarely can be.

So I will gladly contribute to a refocussed Avalon where possible.

I will be very sad if places are not left for worthwhile discussions on spiritual matters and discussions around the various myth systems people use to give context to their personal "realities".

What good is a surviving community with no way to remain grounded? What good is a surviving community full of injured and diseased people with no access to healing methods or a basic understanding of the situation in a spiritual context? Or are we just going to stock up on big-pharma's products?

Every time anyone ever tried to do anything really practical, like start a community on Avalon - pretty much all of them got shouted down and hounded out of Avalon in those early days - the fear was too high.

Let's not let that happen again. Its 2011. 3 years have passed and we should all be a lot better for those years!

[red_rose]

Thanks Bill, I now have my eye on the ball.

Let's get busy liberating and empowering ourselves with self-sufficiency.

My love to all you wonderful warriors of high intent.

red_rose

[songsfortheotherkind]

Apart from the purposes of the Ground Crew, that you mentioned, it is also clearly stated in the handbooks, that one objective is to anchor a high vibrational frequency, to make subtle yet effective decisions to raise the collective consciousness on every level, physical, emotional, mental and spiritual.

Yes, yes, this is where my passion is; I have observed that all the 'preparation' in the world generally comes undone beneath the weight of mind virus inspired internal dross that rears up within groups and takes them down from within. This happens because it's *part of what the mind virus was created to ensure*, that group consciousness elevation and behaviour would be really difficult to pull off in anything but small groups, and even they'd have difficulty without much intentional focus on keeping the mind virus toxicity *out* of the equation.

I've lived on communities that were 'prepared' for the physical challenges- it was the psychological/emotional challenges they weren't equipped to handle. Here in Northern NSW of Australia there are literally hundreds of small (and not so small) intentional communities, with varying philosophical and idealistic foundations and guess what the average lifespan of the 'intentional' communities are? 5 years, on average, before they have torn themselves apart.

I am *so* not into same old, same old, same old- to me, embracing ways of Being internally that can actually, truly support and sustain *external* diversity among sentient Beings is the current challenge facing the 'evolving consciousness' movement. So far, this transformation in consciousness doesn't seem to have taken much foothold, if the external actions and expressions of many individuals are any indicator.