Raves and mind control

[derek]

Here is an interesting article I just threw together about raves and mind control. I really didn't see anything out there really talking about this so I thought I should say something. It covers the heavy presence of military industrial complex psyops in the whole rave/club/techno scene. Let me know what you think :)

http://consciousliberation.com/?p=1

[Arrowwind]

Ive never been to a rave.

I have been told that the drug of choice at a rave is ecstacy and under its influence people do things that they normally would not do.
I have never heard this drug to be associated with religious experiences as with LSD or MDA

The core ingredient of ecsatacy is obtained from the distillation of a certainjungle tree found in the jungles of Thialand and surrounding countries. The harvest of this plant extract is illegal. It has developed into another drug cartel adventure. The harvest of this drug is also causing sever environmental devastation to jungle areas as the distilling furnaces requrie a lot of wook to cook the product down so there is a lot of jungle slashing going on. Workers get pain 2.50 a day in the forest. By the time it hits the streets a couple days worth of work can bring in hundreds of thousands of dollar to the cartels. So once again impoverished people work for next to nothing and risk their lives to do so.. while the cartels, (men with guns) profit and grow powerful

Has this anything to do with your post? I dont know... but it seems to me that mind control always leads back to corruption, devastation, murder, and environmental disaster on one level or another.

[norman]

I read, in a book written by an ex follower of Bagwan Shri raj neesh, that ecstacy was invented by them as a way to extract donations from wealthy visitors to the centre they had in Oregon.

As I understand it, it's a mixture of LSD, opiates and speed.


I never got into fast and frantic electronic 'dance' music but the jentler spinoff into psychedelic ambient music has been a favourite of mine for about 3 years now and mostly what I listen to these days. So much so that I can hardly bear to watch/listen to a bunch of egos get up on a stage and rely on cliche after cliche to pull off an "act".

[enfoldedblue]

Thanks for sharing. WHat I have come to understand is that the illuminati energy has learnt to anticipate trends, then morph to match the energy of the emerging trend, then direct it to suit its own agenda. In the 60's the emerging energy was about freedom (coming out of a restrictive, stifled 50’s mentality), by the 80’s this energy had been successfully co-opted and became greed and excess.
There is one thing however that cannot be manipulated and tinkered with and that is love. Love is immutable and right now it is the energy that is quietly sweeping over the planet. They get their power by subtly inducing fear. The more people fear, the easier they are to control. When we stand firmly in love we are untouchable. The dark uses a lot of smoke and mirror tactics...the answer is not to buy into it. We need to just focus on the beauty around us, on the things that make our hearts smile. This is what we have come here to do...to love and feel joy. This is all we have to do. When we do this we affect the whole and work at a deep level to heal collective fear.
When we come together to dance in joy and spread love…we neutralize their agenda and help to heal the whole.
Be careful not to inadvertently push their agenda :)

My 2 cents
LOVE ALLways, c

[norman]

I want to make a distinction between listening to music and watching video scenes.

I never WATCH music.

To me, music is an auditory experience. Your detailing of the video sequences in your article is right outside my musical appreciation.

I don't have a TV for the very same reason. I don't trust the artificial amalgamation of two of my senses to anyone but myself. TV usually distrurbes me greatly. I don't see that as my problem at all. I'm actually glad I can still feel the disturbance. It means I'm still in my right mind.

Your case for psyops in the music videos may well be acurate and I certainly agree with where you are coming from with that. I would put my focus on the video makers more than the music makers if i was doing it.

I have a pet theory that media that combines more than one of the primary senses has a power that is massively greater than the sum of it's parts. I'd go on into explaining it if others here want me to but I'll leave it at that for now.

[TargeT]

Extacy is MDMA... you guys know your on the internet and can search for information right?

MDMA is a VERY useful drug for "shrinks" & is plesant for recreational use...


The core ingredient of ecsatacy is obtained from the distillation of a certainjungle tree found in the jungles of Thialand and surrounding countries. .

Safrole, a colorless or slightly black oil, extracted from the root-bark or the fruit of sassafras (yes, the same one used for rootbeer) plants is the primary precursor for all manufacture of MDMA; how ever it is MOSTLY synthisised in labs..



don't spread disinfo, be factual at all times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

[derek]

Updated it with part two.

http://consciousliberation.com/

[finally there!!!]

I was a big raver back in the day,glow sticks whistles the lot...whatever the article says I had some of the best times of my life going to raves,the feeling of being surrounded by 10000 people all on the same buzz(happy) and the music flowing through your veins making you feel just that bit more alive:cool: it's very hard to find that feeling elsewhere from my perspective.I often have dreams of my future and it always involves people dancing in large crowds in some sort of tribalistic manner, the ultimate rave!!

[000]

The sphere of electronic music is something I am directly and deeply involved in as a part of a commitment in this life. I can offer a current account of how things are in the 'rave' scene.

To put it in a nutshell, 'back in the day' it was all about going out to a show to share in the musical experience with your fellow beings. For a few years now however it has been more of a 'fashion accessory' sadly. A lot of people do still go for the music but unfortunately there are a lot of people who just go to get wasted and look to get laid. This is only temporary as there is a wave of young talent who wish to bring things back to being solidly about experiencing music and sharing it with each other. The same goes for all scenes of music, not just electronic music. There is a subtle and growing movement to 'take back' the music 'industry' into the hands of those who are capable of using it as a method of healing. Many are not aware of what they are doing precisely but they are doing it nevertheless.

Music is an exceptionally potent method of communication and healing. At the quantum level, since everything is energy vibrating, music has a direct interaction with people at that level. As creative catalysts we also have duties as healers in that we must allow what we create to contain strong sonic medicine which comes through us from the transience (that from which all arises).

Music has two main components. There is the superficial component which is the 'aesthetic' and there is the deeper core component which is the 'meaning' or the medicine, that which is embedded in the vibrations and is often not audible, but very much perceivable via feeling. Some music can be very pretty on the surface but may have no core value or medical properties at its core, conversely, music can be very aggressive like metal or punk, and yet still have a very powerful core of healing harmonics.

The issue is the 'industry' part of all of this. What most label A&R want to do is release music which will gain profit quickly and eventually be disposed of. They care not for the healing power of music (although some do! The label I work with now is very good about this). When music is sold as a commodity, it is usually of very little medicinal value and unfortunately a lot of the music that becomes the most popular doesn't have much as far as healing properties go. Music that ends up being timeless however usually does have a lot of value within it even if at first it doesn't reach that many people.

The DIY movement in metal and punk right now for example is extremely strong and healthily growing and at no risk of being co-opted by the majors. It has an aesthetic which requires an acquired taste and you really must love it (which I do). That's why you have metal 'lifers' who are into it for life, because it truly is something you become dedicated to. A lot of energy goes into the music. It is the same concept as the wounded healer. Only those who have been through all of the pains and changes in this world can then take that information on all levels quantum and practical superficial levels, and present something to the world which has healing effect. Electronic music... any music... that is meaningful, is created by wounded healers or people who have incarnated specifically to heal from the very start and have known how to do so all along. Sometimes a person needs to experience how to fall in a human vehicle before they can really learn how to get up again with it in this dense world. Once you've got yourself attuned, you can work with the frequencies of this world as a lens to send your healing frequencies through.

So the key for raves and concerts is that they absolutely *must* become meaningful experiences again where it is about experiencing music and sharing that experience collectively.

Substance use and abuse is indeed a key problem here because most people are not totally self-responsible when they are using and often take doses which are far too high to be effectively healing and in fact can be quite the opposite. MDMA is a good example of this. It is a substance with high healing capabilities but people often take far too much of it at once and/or it is pressed into pills which have been adulterated with all kinds of unnecessary junk. The pure crystal form is the only form of MDMA I have ever used and I only have used it in doses of around 10mg which is barely even threshold but nevertheless effective. It seems to have acted as a psychic lubricant for me. Good for 'tuning' purposes when it is in its pure form and in small infrequent doses.

The thing with drugs is, they are part of an 'industry' as well and people want to profit from them rather than use them medically which originally was the purpose of a lot of them. What a lot of sources will do, particularly with MDMA, is press pills which are full of other crud so they can make a larger profit. A certain amount of money goes into synthesizing the crystalline MDMA itself, and when you press it into pills with other crud in them and sell for an inflated price, you profit. The same happens with marijuana too. Sometimes sources *and* dealers will weigh down their stock with all kinds of nasty crud like brick dust, glass dust, etc, because when you buy marijuana it is by weight, so if a dealer takes a certain amount of marijuana which is less than the weight they will market it as, they need to adulterate it with heavy materials to sell it at a certain weight. Because there is actually less marijuana than what they market to you, they rip you off for a profit. Thankfully this is not always the case but it *is* one of the many reasons things like this should be legalized so they can be controlled. We don't want people to use it with any chance of there being a lot of nasty harmful adulterants in it.

And of course, not everyone needs to use substances at all. There are many methods to reach the same states completely naturally. For myself it's been a bit of both. The use of infrequent low doses of psychedelics, and then a lot of space in between to learn from the experience and integrate what I learned into natural dreaming techniques and telepathic/empathic techniques, etc.

The key issue is guiding people to, if they so choose to use substances, use them properly and very responsibly rather than for the purpose of escapism. These things are to be used to face yourself, not run from yourself. It will take a while to guide everyone who will listen to be able to do this but slowly/surely it is happening in parallel with the meaningful attendance of events. When you get rid of escapism, you must have something more meaningful to replace it with, which is a shared experience with your fellow beings, and knowing that it is benefiting you.

Also, I have to giggle a bit because this is my 303rd post. If you're familiar with rave in depth, especially 'back in the day' rave, this will make sense:

http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9615/tb303.jpg

HUGS :)

/EDIT

I'm going to be honest, I did not read the article until *after* writing my post. A lot of what is mentioned in the article Derek posted lines up with what is my experience. The thing with The Orb, I don't see Patterson as being controlled by anyone, I just don't [David Guetta however is a different story... everything surrounding him makes me want to stick my fingers down my throat, BLEH]. If anything I think The Orb were just highly aware and had their fingers on the pulse of the occult and brought it into awareness through their work. A lot of creators do this! Even me :) I like to corrupt their symbolism though, because frankly they deserve it!

Here is the logo I did (I do as much as I can myself) for a current project of mine which is releasing an album in two months:

http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/2430/30249915574130785657212.jpg

And the logo for my home studio:

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/2884/37858815542265788925614.jpg

But I am most certainly not a part of The Not-So-Powerful-After-All That Were-But-Weren't ;) In fact, I regularly stick my tongue out at them and psychically harass them pixie style and there is not one thing they could ever do about it :)

A funny story, back this summer, my now-manager who also runs the label I'm on and help him with, he was approached by a group of freemasons who wanted to sponsor an event of the label, which at that point wasn't a label just yet. For a while my manager wanted to do the festival and it was in planning for a while and I was to play it, but eventually the one guy from the freemason group turned out to be a complete knob so my manager thankfully ditched the whole thing. Despite all the occult knowledge these people have, they are really not empathic and are idiots in general who when things don't work out for them, they wonder why! It's just god awful silly what they think they can pull off but will never work in the end, in fact will be their own demise :)

[STATIC]

So the key for raves and concerts is that they absolutely *must* become meaningful experiences again where it is about experiencing music and sharing that experience collectively

absolutely...
This is especially important when you have very young people taking part in these events, who are very impressionable.
There are very destructive experiences to be made, and very wonderful ones.
I would say from first hand experience that the most destructive and also dangerous experiences come from the reckless taking of drugs without any education or discretion taking place.
I hope that music around the world will continue on a path for healing. We need this now more than ever.

[vortexpoint]

Years ago I came across a Rave Thread (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=69858) in Icke forums which I found quite interesting. Many people were raising concerns that raves had a negative effect. Many people felt there was some kind of energy leeching going on with the events.

What caught my attention the most was posts made by a poster called 'separ'. He talks about the mind control aspect of the trance music. I'm no expert but this guy seems to know what he is saying. At least this should raise some thoughts.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1198518&postcount=54

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1198917&postcount=57

[Carmody]

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[Mutchie]

I was a big raver back in the day,glow sticks whistles the lot...whatever the article says I had some of the best times of my life going to raves,the feeling of being surrounded by 10000 people all on the same buzz(happy) and the music flowing through your veins making you feel just that bit more alive:cool: it's very hard to find that feeling elsewhere from my perspective.I often have dreams of my future and it always involves people dancing in large crowds in some sort of tribalistic manner, the ultimate rave!!

i also was a big raver and me and my ex girl used mdma when it WAS mdma and it was AMAZING there is no other word to describe it we loved the partys and used to travel all across scotland going to them we also used it in our private lives and it enhances your sex life like no other drug could as a result we were very very close for 10 years im not saying there isnt side effects cause there are we lived for the weekends and i would be very pissed off to miss a rave or a night where i was planning to use but that was 20 years ago when E,s were £25 now you get them for 50p and they are crap i think the goverments managed to stem the flow of mdma

[000]

Years ago I came across a Rave Thread (http://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=69858) in Icke forums which I found quite interesting. Many people were raising concerns that raves had a negative effect. Many people felt there was some kind of energy leeching going on with the events.

What caught my attention the most was posts made by a poster called 'separ'. He talks about the mind control aspect of the trance music. I'm no expert but this guy seems to know what he is saying. At least this should raise some thoughts.

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1198518&postcount=54

http://forum.davidicke.com/showpost.php?p=1198917&postcount=57

I can definitely make a response to 'separ's posts here.


I agree with you, there is always something or someone leeching energy at these events. However, regarding demonic influence, this is something that can also be present. It's not in the beats but in the tonal qualities of the music. If you have the wrong type of distortion you can have odd-order harmonics entering into a sound you like and are tuned into, and this can be the diabolical tritone. Whenever you have this or a discordant rhythmic layer in the sound, it messes up the body's bioelectrical networks. This overloads the sensorium and destroys neurons, hence causing the feeling of a loss of control ('music taking over').

When it comes to these discordant overtones, rave music is more guilty than other genres. The 303 for example is a transistor-based saw and square generator, and the filters on that thing generate mostly odd-order harmonics. You can listen to it for only a short time before it becomes painful (unless your pain receptors are numbed by drugs).

Those people who went to raves in the 90s were undergoing a kind of 'formatting' to transform them into a different form of life: outwardly the same as everyone else but inwardly their synaptic pathways were changed permanently. The reason why they went voluntarily to these raves was because of a combination of future shock syndrome and because their vibration level had become fixated at a certain point and they could not move beyond it easily. In some cases the individuals experienced pain as they had moved to a higher level of vibration and simply could not tolerate any kind of discordant sounds, no matter how well disguised.

The technology of raves is something that had been developed in the 20th century American drug culture and also by govt agencies trying to develop mind-control programs. Incidentally the 'raving' culture is the domain of secret societies connected with the Freemasons and continues wherever you find people who TPTB consider are falling behind the program of 'change'. Except now it's the new incarnations of 'reggae' (superficially like the old reggae except using discordant tones and a different rhythm in the hats). Same CIA-developed monster, different clothes.Not really correct. There are audible frequencies (aesthetic) and there is the inaudible as well (something I'm still figuring out, but is definitely there). The aesthetic of music I find has not got as important an effect as what it does that is inaudible. I can listen to pure noise like Merzbow and feel it to be a very healing and deep experience, I can listen to Sunn O))) which is very intense in the bass range with all kinds of different harmonics of distortion and it is again a very deep and healing experience. The same goes for any music really. Even something that is as soft as possible can be void of the inaudible healing effects. It depends on who is making the music and what they are putting into it. It's the surgeon that matters, not the scalpel they use!

I have so so many friends who use TB-303s and digital emulations of them, and they are ALL absolutely beautiful souls and their music is aesthetically all very different, although all of it is potent in healing.

I think 'separ's experience is a bit limited and biased because I listen to disharmonic (aesthetically speaking) music all the time and find it to be a terrific experience. I love loud noisy aesthetics as much as I do soft and gentle :) Essentially anyone who takes it from a solely neural perspective is still a physicalist and not getting the full picture of how music really works. It is effective mostly at the quantum level, which is why music causes you to feel things and you 'resonate' with what is in it. Music is amplifying something that is *already a part of you*.

Honestly... some of these David Icke types (and I don't want to generalize) can be just a bit overboard for me. Not everything has to do with the CIA or any of the agencies, sometimes a thing just is what it is, even though at points they do become vulnerable to corruption and end up being corrupted *temporarily* because corruption cannot be permanent in this universe. It will always always always be dealt with.

Here's a very important thing in musical healing. It can only do what you are open to, just like any medicine. If you're not open to healing, it won't happen. The same goes for anything 'demonic'. If one allows one's self to allow anything, in this case rave music, to be demonic, then that is how the body and energy body will take it to be. This is all a very real dream, in which we create our devils and our angels. The problem with some Icke types is they are not only bringing awareness of dark forces, they are unwittingly *creating* them through paranoia, and that's just not doing them any good.

My entire purpose in this world has been to heal, mostly through music. I know that if what I were doing were itself 'demonic' (303 etc) then I would be getting rid of it, not utilizing its aesthetic for healing. People need to know what they are talking about before doing so ;)

[vortexpoint]

Not really correct. There are audible frequencies (aesthetic) and there is the inaudible as well (something I'm still figuring out, but is definitely there). The aesthetic of music I find has not got as important an effect as what it does that is inaudible. I can listen to pure noise like Merzbow and feel it to be a very healing and deep experience, I can listen to Sunn O))) which is very intense in the bass range with all kinds of different harmonics of distortion and it is again a very deep and healing experience. The same goes for any music really. Even something that is as soft as possible can be void of the inaudible healing effects. It depends on who is making the music and what they are putting into it. It's the surgeon that matters, not the scalpel they use!

I have so so many friends who use TB-303s and digital emulations of them, and they are ALL absolutely beautiful souls and their music is aesthetically all very different, although all of it is potent in healing.

I think 'separ's experience is a bit limited and biased because I listen to disharmonic (aesthetically speaking) music all the time and find it to be a terrific experience. I love loud noisy aesthetics as much as I do soft and gentle :) Essentially anyone who takes it from a solely neural perspective is still a physicalist and not getting the full picture of how music really works. It is effective mostly at the quantum level, which is why music causes you to feel things and you 'resonate' with what is in it. Music is amplifying something that is *already a part of you*.

Honestly... some of these David Icke types (and I don't want to generalize) can be just a bit overboard for me. Not everything has to do with the CIA or any of the agencies, sometimes a thing just is what it is, even though at points they do become vulnerable to corruption and end up being corrupted *temporarily* because corruption cannot be permanent in this universe. It will always always always be dealt with.

Here's a very important thing in musical healing. It can only do what you are open to, just like any medicine. If you're not open to healing, it won't happen. The same goes for anything 'demonic'. If one allows one's self to allow anything, in this case rave music, to be demonic, then that is how the body and energy body will take it to be. This is all a very real dream, in which we create our devils and our angels. The problem with some Icke types is they are not only bringing awareness of dark forces, they are unwittingly *creating* them through paranoia, and that's just not doing them any good.

My entire purpose in this world has been to heal, mostly through music. I know that if what I were doing were itself 'demonic' (303 etc) then I would be getting rid of it, not utilizing its aesthetic for healing. People need to know what they are talking about before doing so ;)



I agree on that subjective experience does matter, but I also think that frequencies and harmonics are important. For example mantras are not just spoken words but they carry certain vibrations that have positive effects. If there is sounds that have positive effects, there must be sounds that have negative effects. Sound is like any other vibration be it electro-magnetic or whatever. You say that it's the surgeon that matters, not the scalpel but what if the scalpel happens to be toxic? :) Even though the post was taken from Icke's forum, doesn't mean the poster can be defined as "David Icke type". That's basically an ad hominem argument.

[000]

I agree on that subjective experience does matter, but I also think that frequencies and harmonics are important. For example mantras are not just spoken words but they carry certain vibrations that have positive effects. If there is sounds that have positive effects, there must be sounds that have negative effects. Sound is like any other vibration be it electro-magnetic or whatever. You say that it's the surgeon that matters, not the scalpel but what if the scalpel happens to be toxic? :) Even though the post was taken from Icke's forum, doesn't mean the poster can be defined as "David Icke type". That's basically an ad hominem argument.

Frequency and frequency harmonics and transients are indeed very important, they are shaped by the inaudible aspects of the creative catalyzer (the 'artist') though. So frequency is like moldable energy putty, it is the transient force integrating with it that shapes it.

Remember, sound, like any medicine, will only effect you in the way that you specifically open yourself up to be effected by it consciously or unconsciously. If you block it out, you create harmonics which do not allow it to resonate your own frequency sets. The responsibility is *always* on the individuals' choices to accept or not, not the perceived outer force, it can only do things if you allow it.

David Icke himself I don't really have any issues with. Some of his followers tend to take things out of proportion though and focus on things that they would be better off not focusing so much on. That isn't by any means exclusive to his followers only, it's just what has been part of human nature.

[DeDukshyn]

Way back in the day, raving was a huge part of my process of awakening .. so was MDMA --- I would not be anywhere near the spiritual understanding I am today without it. Likely why it caught the attention of those negative powers mentioned.

EDIT: All this talk about raves, I'm going to work on some old rave worthy electronica music today, and blast it full of love to replace all your fears ;-)

We all fear that which we are not familiar with. Part of the human condition ;)

[000]

We all fear that which we are not familiar with. Part of the human condition ;)

Amen! Rave on! :rockon:

[iceni tribe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYOLX90jjwI&feature=related

can i just slip this in..............summer of love 88 back in the day........happy , happy days

[000]

Might as well slip a tune or two in as well :D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-os-GlHIJSE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1bTis9ee3U

<3 Autechre so much.

And from way more recently, Burial, absolutely glowing:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlEkvbRmfrA

[Lisab]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYOLX90jjwI&feature=related

can i just slip this in..............summer of love 88 back in the day........happy , happy days

Awesome. But the summer of love was actually 92 Castlemorton, not that it matters. Thanks for the tune. Indeed happy,happy memories. Raving was a big part of my spiritual path. I went from punk, old skool hiphop to rave. Mdma and no regrets. The great thing about the shift now if your in tune, is getting that blissed out feeling without the comedown lol.
000 great posts.

[DeDukshyn]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYOLX90jjwI&feature=related

can i just slip this in..............summer of love 88 back in the day........happy , happy days

Awesome. But the summer of love was actually 92 Castlemorton, not that it matters. Thanks for the tune. Indeed happy,happy memories. Raving was a big part of my spiritual path. I went from punk, old skool hiphop to rave. Mdma and no regrets. The great thing about the shift now if your in tune, is getting that blissed out feeling without the comedown lol.
000 great posts.

MDMA expanded my mind. I studied up on it a bit (before ever trying -- I'm curious but not reckless) and it was first created in the early 20th century with promise it may help people with extreme phobias - it cancels out much of your ability to fear, and without fear the only thing left is love. I realized that the bliss I felt was pretty much the lack of fear -- that is what it feels like to temporarily have the fear removed from your subconscious -- PURE BLISS! and it is every human's natural trait - the fear in our subconscious causes the human condition. After realizing what a lack of fear can do, I kept on a spiritual path of trying to become fearless enough to mimick the effects of MDMA. Guess what -- it works. The bliss you get from massively raising your vibration and purging fear from you subconscious via advanced spiritual methods, is very similar to the bliss experienced from MDMA -- it's all about fear, and this is how I learned it. Would not trade those experiences for the world (but not advocating drug use -- everyone's path IS different)

[Carmody]

This is the kinda places I was visiting.

Of course I have this stuff on LP.

UbCLbLmO40U

r-lw3tXuIE4

[000]

http://vimeo.com/24967117


http://vimeo.com/25284552

Visual physics lessons anyone? ;)

There are such brilliant visual programmers on the edges of the electronic music scene as well. In this case the demoscene and electronic music scene merge as one. I find it really uncanny to watch this material because I often have time spent in other realms which looks not entirely different :)

[Angushar]

Love the Burial link.
Anyways, I've only been to a rave once or twice, but never noticed any mind control going on. Oh wait, how could I notice that...

Huh, well never-mind then.
;)

[silent1]

Personally, I don't know much about the whole rave scene here, or anywhere else on earth for that matter, but I can safely say that I believe the Australian bush doof (doof=party) scene is one of the most wonderful things I have experienced in my lifetime thus far. These gatherings/parties are almost always hours from civilisation, in some of the most serene places you can imagine and they bring together many, many open-minded people for a few days at a time. Never have I been privy to so many open and like-minded people in one place at one time than I have at these gatherings. I don't know anything about the mind control aspect either, but the music (psytrance, dub etc) that is, more often than not, played 100 per cent compliments the overall vibe of the gatherings.

I will leave you with a video to watch just so you can try to get a grasp of what I'm talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VbdL_W_Ur8&feature=youtu.be

[DeDukshyn]

This is the kinda places I was visiting.

Of course I have this stuff on LP.

UbCLbLmO40U

r-lw3tXuIE4

Heheh I have leftism ;) --- pretty good album ;)

[noprophet]

<3
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[DNA]

Extacy is MDMA... you guys know your on the internet and can search for information right?
MDMA is a VERY useful drug for "shrinks" & is plesant for recreational use...

The core ingredient of ecsatacy is obtained from the distillation of a certainjungle tree found in the jungles of Thialand and surrounding countries. .
Safrole, a colorless or slightly black oil, extracted from the root-bark or the fruit of sassafras (yes, the same one used for rootbeer) plants is the primary precursor for all manufacture of MDMA; how ever it is MOSTLY synthisised in labs..
don't spread disinfo, be factual at all times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

Good stuff TargeT

I can honestly say I have had some of the best times of my life at Raves.
I have worked myself into some of the deepest coolest trances I have ever been in while dancing for hours on end.
I have incorporated understanding specific energy blockages in my aura into my dance. God I miss those days.
Any time I had trouble catching the beat, I knew I had a blockage. I would search for it with my hands using the imaginary ball technique and when I found it I would visualize the ball of energy there until it healed.

Visualization has never worked for me, but, while dancing, incorporating tai chi push hands and conscious energy manifestation while dancing, I had profound results with energy visualization.

And just for the record, I never needed drugs to do this.
The music helped immensely though. One can not appreciate the power of music at a rave until it is experienced. The sound systems and speakers are the most powerfull pieces of equipment out there.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pkDmeivbHg&feature=player_embedded



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vul1Nkczytc&feature=related

[whenyournex2me]

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I have been involved in the rave scene since I was about 14 years old. More than fifteen years now... as a DJ/Music producer, Promoter, and dancer, as I found the music purely sensual to my soul.
I want to help clarify a few things here, to better help you folks in your assumptions about the rave scene. Now, IDK where you all get your info from where, but, I got mine from experience, networking, and research. I am not here to bash anyone's claims. I do feel however, some are completely wrong and far from the truth.

The fact is, MDA or better known as MDMA, aka, "ecstasy" ("E", "X" or "XTC"), was first synthesized in 1912 by Merck chemist Anton Köllisch, a German.

"Anton Köllisch (1888–1916) was the German chemist who, whilst working at Darmstadt for pharmaceutical giant Merck, first synthesized the chemical MDMA that would later come to be known as "ecstasy".
A patent was filed for the drug on Christmas Eve 1912, and was granted on May 16, 1914. Köllisch, however, died as a soldier in World War I in September 1916 with no idea of the impact his synthesis would have."

MDA/MDMA was thought to really have no effect or none of use to the human species and was forgotten.

"Over the following 65 years, MDMA was largely forgotten. Merck records indicate that its researchers returned to the compound sporadically. In 1927, Max Oberlin studied the pharmacology of MDMA and observed that its effects on blood sugar and smooth muscles were similar to ephedrine's. Researchers at Merck conducted experiments with MDMA in 1952 and 1959.[125] In 1953 and 1954, the United States Army commissioned a study of toxicity and behavioral effects in animals of injected mescaline and several analogues, including MDMA. These originally classified investigations were declassified and published in 1973.[128] The first scientific paper on MDMA appeared in 1958 in Yakugaku Zasshi, the Journal of the Pharmaceutical Society of Japan. In this paper, Yutaka Kasuya described the synthesis of MDMA, a part of his research on antispasmodics."

DR. Alexander Shulgin is credited with the popularization of MDMA, commonly known as ecstasy, in the late 1970s and early 1980s, especially for psychopharmaceutical use and the treatment of depression and post-traumatic stress disorder, to include marriage counseling, fears, and traumatic events, such as rape, abuse, car crashes, etc.

"In 1967, Shulgin was introduced to MDMA (ecstasy) by a graduate student in the medicinal chemistry group he advised at San Francisco State University."

"Shulgin went on to develop a new synthesis method, and in 1976, introduced the chemical to Leo Zeff, a psychologist from Oakland, California. Zeff used the substance in his practice in small doses as an aid to talk therapy. Zeff introduced the substance to hundreds of psychologists around the nation, including Ann Shulgin, whom Alexander Shulgin met in 1979, and married in 1981."

"After judicious self-experiments, Shulgin enlisted a small group of friends with whom he regularly tested his creations, starting in 1960. They developed a systematic way of ranking the effects of the various drugs, known as the Shulgin Rating Scale, with a vocabulary to describe the visual, auditory and physical sensations. He personally tested hundreds of drugs, mainly analogues of various phenethylamines (family containing MDMA and mescaline), and tryptamines (family containing DMT and psilocybin)."

"Shulgin took to occasionally using MDMA for relaxation, referring to it as "my low-calorie martini", and giving the drug to his friends, researchers, and other people who he thought could benefit from it. One such person was psychotherapist Leo Zeff, who had been known to use psychedelics in his practice. Zeff was so impressed with the effects of MDMA that he came out of his semi-retirement to proselytize for it. Over the following years, Zeff traveled around the U.S. and occasionally to Europe, training other psychotherapists in the use of MDMA."

"Among underground psychotherapists, MDMA developed a reputation for enhancing communication during clinical sessions, reducing patients' psychological defenses, and increasing capacity for therapeutic introspection."

It was this era that the substance MDA/MDMA was found to enlighten one's perception, awareness, and relax them with their own natural walls they have built, or had from traumatic experiences. It became viral in Dallas Texas in the 70's, in music clubs mainly. This was the turning point imo.
After hundreds of thousands of people tried and used, MDMA in the 70's the DEA and USA Government caught on to its recreational use. When President Reagan was in office, He sought to create a war on drugs but creating the "JUST SAY NO CAMPAIGN."

"Just Say No" was an advertising campaign, part of the U.S. "War on Drugs", prevalent during the 1980s and early 1990s, to discourage children from engaging in recreational drug use by offering various ways of saying no. Eventually, this also expanded the realm of "Just Say No" to violence and premarital sex. The slogan was created and championed by First Lady Nancy Reagan during her husband's presidency."

Now, currently, MDA/MDMA is a schedule one substance...

So, now that that is clear, and the myths of heroin or lsd being laced with MDA/MDMA can be cleared. Heroin is expensive, and does not provide a profit. If any raver knew heroin was in the mixture of MDA/MDMA, they would not take it.... It has been mixed, but is very very rare. LSD, does not bond chemically with MDA/MDMA. I have seen people take both, lsd and MDA/MDMA however, called "candy flipping."


So, you think that the rave scene is used to control people? lol... I have to laugh guys, really. How many of you have even been to a rave, and have solid evidence to provide to support this claim? I do NOT get paid from the elite to make music that controls people, neither does John Digweed, Tiesto, Paul Van Dyke, Orbital, or prodigy... I produce EDM, Electronic Dance Music myself, and have for a while, and have always been associated with other musicians. Even my father has the FACTS wrong about the scene. In fact, most of ya do. This is insane... If any of these dj's/producers were aware of this, they would stop producing the music for that label asap. There is this code within the scene, that promotes love, open mindedness, and unity. If you have ever been BROUGHT to a rave, by a friend that was involved, you would know this.

Fact is, Music does have an effect on people. If you want to slap some bull**** illuminati theory on controlling people, then look at the church and the music they play. That is created to brainwash people, imo. I have had enough of this and call this entire thread bull****... What hogwash. If you are going to even try to make statements like I read in here, at least talk to your own kids, go to a few raves, or EDM events...

Another fact is, Our scene is dying to the fact of the drugs. That is no joke. Most kids these days are under some kind of influence when at a rave. I have met sober ravers, and I rave sober now... But I have had my hands in experimenting with MDMA/MDA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Shulgin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxymethamphetamine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anton_K%C3%B6llisch
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No

and Im not eve going to quote to explain anymore... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rave

If you want to dance, loose your baggage, the walls society builds, the limitations of your own fears, then by all means be rave safe. Don't deny it before you try it... what ignorance in this thread. Even at this moment I am listening to one of my favorite trance/house mixes... and ya know what, I think what I want to think. Usually though, when I am at a rave, or under the influence of MDMA, I don't think about much. I am feeling, the music and dancing to the bass waves as they spread across my chest and body. What thread fail... Go to a rave if you are curious, don't reply bashing what I post. if you do, its simply ignorance. :mod:

[Arrowwind]

Extacy is MDMA... you guys know your on the internet and can search for information right?

MDMA is a VERY useful drug for "shrinks" & is plesant for recreational use...


The core ingredient of ecsatacy is obtained from the distillation of a certainjungle tree found in the jungles of Thialand and surrounding countries. .


Safrole, a colorless or slightly black oil, extracted from the root-bark or the fruit of sassafras (yes, the same one used for rootbeer) plants is the primary precursor for all manufacture of MDMA; how ever it is MOSTLY synthisised in labs..



don't spread disinfo, be factual at all times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MDMA

Yes one should check their facts .... did you? But of course you cited Wiki, a real source of all the facts... as we all know :rolleyes:

To learn more about the criminal extraction safrole oil in the jungles of Cambodia watch this video.
http://current.com/shows/vanguard/92570561_discovering-a-drug-factory-in-the-rainforest-scenes-from-vanguard.htm

"Vanguard correspondent and executive producer Adam Yamaguchi joins Cambodian forest rangers as they discover and clear out a campsite for workers producing safrole oil in the Cardamom Mountains. As the raw ingredient in ecstasy, the production of safrole oil has become a lucrative venture for criminals in Cambodia."

[whenyournex2me]

oh and the tree in which sassafras comes from, its roots, are not only found overseas in tialand, but in the usa too... lol do your research guys. Dont blame the illuminati for everything humans do. Sorry but most of them claims are Not accurate, and that is my experience within the culture itself!

You all should re watch this video, it delves into the very point I am wanting to make. But I will let you figure it out for yourselves...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygWxXphYRos

[toad]

Did you just post a 303? haha thats rich, one of the most game changing lil devices ever. You ever get to play with a tb303 with the devilfish mods? Amazing stuff.