'Skyfish' of NASA tether incident Don Juan's 'mudshadows'?

[DNA]

It is an interesting correlation. (I came up with this headline, it fits) :)


SKY FISH OF NASA TETHER INCIDENT DON JUAN'S MUDSHADOWS? (http://www.unicusmagazine.com/skyfish.htm)

[modwiz]

Nah, space plankton.

Great article. A must read, especially if this subject is new to you.

[Flash]

this is very very interesting. It would make your post quite a lot of good and justice if you were explaining a bit what the content of the article you are sending us to is about. Just a line and a long article is usually not enough to attract our attention.

This article merits on its own our attention DNA.

It is also possible to link it to other spiritual schools that talk about energies, thought energies, that are attached to us and are constantly replenished by human creating similar thoughts energies. They are often described as clouds of thoughts surrounding human beings (Indian religions and the Vedas are mentioning this if I am not mistaken).

It is the first time we would have photograph these so clearly as they were around the space teter.

Don Juan in Carlos Castaneda stories was saying that these were predator energies coming from somewhere else that were attached to human being in order to suck up the human energies and that we are their food (our negative energies being delicious to them) and that in order to raise us as a good herd to be devoured, they supply us with negative thoughts and fear provoking thoughts supplying them with feeding energies.

The way out to be unpalatable to them is discipline (as taught by spiritual schools) and emptying of the mind in order to distinguish what is the influence from these montrous human eaters versus what is truly from us.

If these amibea like foreign elements were not feeding on us and herding us, we would be experiencing our true beings that are incredible awareness, glimmering awareness, surrounding us with a film of light all around, the film being awareness.

Very interesting parallels really.

[jorr lundstrom]

Here is an interview with this guy and a little speeded Laura Eisenhover.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA


Here is more on the Archons

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32202-How-the-Draconians-try-to-kill-the-luminous-child

[ponda]

Interesting find DNA


Here's a few quotes from the link:


Also, in the conclusion of my new book "Covert Encounters in Washington, D.C.," I report in great detail how demonic, alien creatures are secretly manipulating the minds of politicians and other powerful people in Washington.

Unfortunately, I now see that the possession of people's mind is not limited to a select individuals in positions of power on this planet. If the revelations in the excerpted conversation below are accurate, everyone is potentially being mentally manipulated by these creatures.


Excerpted from "The Active Side of Infinity"

by Carlos Castenada

Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs; our ideas of good and evil; our social mores. The predators are the ones who set up our hopes and expectations, and dreams of success or failure. They have given us covetousness, greed, and cowardice. It is the predators who make us complacent, routinary, and egomaniacal.

In order to keep us obedient, meek and weak, the predators engaged themselves in a stupendous maneuver- stupendous, of course, from the point of view of a fighting strategist; a horrendous maneuver from the point of view of those who suffer it. They gave us their mind! Do you hear me? The predators give us their mind which becomes our mind. The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now.

[DNA]

Here are some of the pics. It's a short article.

http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/images/50933e2639d9763_1.jpghttp://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/images/9e63d7b9b26f.jpg


http://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/images/SKYAMO.JPGhttp://www.unicusmagazine.com/html/images/tumblr_kwdvjqaAXc1qa0lse.jpg

[Mark]

It's so great to see this information becoming more prevalent, it feels like an opening, energetically. Now if someone can add the rods to this explanation somehow it would go a long way to explaining two of the most prevalent extra-dimensional sightings that we do have this actual photographic evidence of.

[Mike]

cool stuff. thanks DNA.

[Davidallany]

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.

[ponda]

Davidallany said:

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism?



Well going on what Carlos said "Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs" as well as "The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now"

So if the predators/parasites etc played a part in the origins of modern human belief systems and they also fear being discovered then that might explain why they are not mentioned

[Flash]

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.


Your comments seem surprising to me. What about the common talk of demons, evil spirits, possession, well, name it, our cultures are full of trying to describe the undescribable.

In Middle East they are Jinns, in Asia demons, etc.

What about all these feeding and offerings to the gods. Shrines all over India are full of offerings, often food offerings. Mayan Indian would even sacrifice human beings to the gods. Actually trying to physically feed them. It would appease the Gods and make them more clement.

We have been feeding them for a very long time in all over the earth mythologies.

What if these gods were not physical as we believe it?

[Davidallany]

Davidallany said:

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism?



Well going on what Carlos said "Sorcerers believe that the predators have given us our systems of beliefs" as well as "The predators' mind is baroque, contradictory, morose, and filled with the fear of being discovered any minute now"

So if the predators/parasites etc played a part in the origins of modern human belief systems and they also fear being discovered then that might explain why they are not mentioned

True, I thought of that before actually posting my first post, that's why I mentioned another school of sorcery and magic, namely Bonism.

[christian]

why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism?

There are apparently some ancient texts, that do speak about those creatures and there may well have been some information 'lost' in other ancient traditions, that have been passed on since thousands of years instead of having resurfaced just recently.

Apart from that, Don Juan told Castaneda about those mud shadows only at the very end of his tutorship. I assume, Don Juan's objective was to first teach him how to become impeccable, to render himself unreachable for those mud shadows.
This is what Don Juan says about how to protect oneself from those shadows:

The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do; hold on to the energy that binds you together.

All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us.

How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you; and the more aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you... and not so much because they don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence.

Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For sorcerers, discipline is an art; the art of facing infinity without flinching; not because they are strong and tough, but because they are filled with awe.

Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer. The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious task. If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it will keep on growing.

Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The [alien mind control of these creatures] comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.

That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to. My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life for the real mind that belongs to us. The sum total of our experience after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation.

The sorcerers' revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to being eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness.

The flyers are an essential part of the universe, and they must be taken as what they really are; awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us. We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself.

The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue.

So I find, most traditions teach, how to protect oneself against those entities, that's more important than telling about their existence, especially given the fact, that humans tend to be quite sensitive and hearing about this highly insidious and elusive predator might scare them and thus make it easier for the predator to prey upon humanity.

This is why it is so important, to pratice discernment and discipline vigilantly:

By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudo-concerns.

What we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.

[ponda]

Davidallany said:

True, I thought of that before actually posting my first post, that's why I mentioned another school of sorcery and magic, namely Bonism.

Well the same logic might apply to Bonism as well as other ritualistic and esoteric groups if the parasite theory is true.I could be wrong but i think that the only groups or belief systems that had any info about them were Gnosticism and Shamanism.There quite possibly were others as well.Also you could very well be correct that they are indeed mentioned in other religions texts etc but it might depend on interpretation or reading between the lines etc

This is assuming that mind parasites are separate and different from demons etc

[Davidallany]

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.


Your comments seem surprising to me. What about the common talk of demons, evil spirits, possession, well, name it, our cultures are full of trying to describe the undescribable.

In Middle East they are Jinns, in Asia demons, etc.

What about all these feeding and offerings to the gods. Shrines all over India are full of offerings, often food offerings. Mayan Indian would even sacrifice human beings to the gods. Actually trying to physically feed them. It would appease the Gods and make them more clement.

We have been feeding them for a very long time in all over the earth mythologies.

What if these gods were not physical as we believe it?

I didn't rule out anything, I am just skeptical, that's all. I have also mentioned what I have experienced. Our ancestors made a distinction between Gods creators whom they made offerings to, and evil spirits, ghosts and other Creatures who they fought with the blessing of the Gods. I have no proof the the two as per your suggestion are actually one.

Have you seen those shadowy flyers ? If you have, how did you do it, I too would like to try.

[Davidallany]

Davidallany said:

True, I thought of that before actually posting my first post, that's why I mentioned another school of sorcery and magic, namely Bonism.

Well the same logic might apply to Bonism as well as other ritualistic and esoteric groups if the parasite theory is true.I could be wrong but i think that the only groups or belief systems that had any info about them were Gnosticism and Shamanicism.There quite possibly were others as well.Also you could very well be correct that they are indeed mentioned in other religions texts etc but it might depend on interpretation or reading between the lines etc

This is assuming that mind parasites are separate and different from demons etc

It seems that we are going in a circle now, maybe it's the flyers' mind hard at work. But I can't prove it.

[Davidallany]

why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism?

There are apparently some ancient texts, that do speak about those creatures and there may well have been some information 'lost' in other ancient traditions, that have been passed on since thousands of years instead of having resurfaced just recently.

Apart from that, Don Juan told Castaneda about those mud shadows only at the very end of his tutorship. I assume, Don Juan's objective was to first teach him how to become impeccable, to render himself unreachable for those mud shadows.
This is what Don Juan says about how to protect oneself from those shadows:

The flyers' mind flees forever when a sorcerer succeeds in grabbing on to the vibrating force that holds us together as a conglomerate of energy fields. If a sorcerer maintains that pressure long enough, the flyers' mind flees in defeat. And that's exactly what you are going to do; hold on to the energy that binds you together.

All we can do is discipline ourselves to the point where they will not touch us.

How can you ask your fellow men to go through those rigors of discipline? They'll laugh and make fun of you; and the more aggressive ones will beat the **** out of you... and not so much because they don't believe it. Down in the depths of every human being, there is an ancestral, visceral knowledge about the predators' existence.

Discipline is the only deterrent. But by discipline I don't mean harsh routines. I don't mean waking up every morning at five-thirty and throwing cold water on yourself until you're blue. Sorcerers understand discipline as the capacity to face with serenity odds that are not included in our expectations. For sorcerers, discipline is an art; the art of facing infinity without flinching; not because they are strong and tough, but because they are filled with awe.

Sorcerers say that discipline makes the glowing coat of awareness unpalatable to the flyer. The result is that the predators become bewildered. An inedible glowing coat of awareness is not part of their cognition, I suppose. After being bewildered, they don't have any recourse other than refraining from continuing their nefarious task. If the predators don't eat our glowing coat of awareness for a while, it will keep on growing.

Simplifying this matter to the extreme, I can say that sorcerers, by means of their discipline, push the predators away long enough to allow their glowing coat of awareness to grow beyond the level of the toes. Once it goes beyond the level of the toes, it grows back to its natural size. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico used to say that the glowing coat of awareness is like a tree. If it is not pruned, it grows to its natural size and volume. As awareness reaches levels higher than the toes, tremendous maneuvers of perception become a matter of course.

The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin. The [alien mind control of these creatures] comes back, I assure you, but not as strong; and a process begins in which the fleeing of the flyers' mind becomes routine until one day it flees permanently.

That's the day when you have to rely on your own devices which are nearly zero. A sad day indeed! There's no one to tell you what to do. There's no mind of foreign origin to dictate the imbecilities you're accustomed to. My teacher, the nagual Julian, used to warn all his disciples that this was the toughest day in a sorcerer's life for the real mind that belongs to us. The sum total of our experience after a lifetime of domination has been rendered shy, insecure, and shifty. Personally, I would say that the real battle of sorcerers begins at that moment. The rest is merely preparation.

The sorcerers' revolution is that they refuse to honor agreements in which they did not participate. Nobody ever asked me if I would consent to being eaten by beings of a different kind of awareness.

The flyers are an essential part of the universe, and they must be taken as what they really are; awesome, monstrous. They are the means by which the universe tests us. We are energetic probes created by the universe, and it's because we are possessors of energy that has awareness that we are the means by which the universe becomes aware of itself.

The flyers are the implacable challengers. They cannot be taken as anything else. If we succeed in doing that, the universe allows us to continue.

So I find, most traditions teach, how to protect oneself against those entities, that's more important than telling about their existence, especially given the fact, that humans tend to be quite sensitive and hearing about this highly insidious and elusive predator might scare them and thus make it easier for the predator to prey upon humanity.

This is why it is so important, to pratice discernment and discipline vigilantly:

By playing on our self-reflection, which is the only point of awareness left to us, the predators create flares of awareness that they proceed to consume in a ruthless, predatory fashion. They give us inane problems that force those flares of awareness to rise, and in this manner they keep us alive in order for them to be fed with the energetic flare of our pseudo-concerns.

What we have against us is not a simple predator. It is very smart and organized. It follows a methodical system to render us useless. Man, the magical being that he is destined to be, is no longer magical. He's an average piece of meat. There are no more dreams for man but the dreams of an animal who is being raised to become a piece of meat: trite, conventional, imbecilic.

I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

[Guest]

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.


Your comments seem surprising to me. What about the common talk of demons, evil spirits, possession, well, name it, our cultures are full of trying to describe the undescribable.

In Middle East they are Jinns, in Asia demons, etc.

What about all these feeding and offerings to the gods. Shrines all over India are full of offerings, often food offerings. Mayan Indian would even sacrifice human beings to the gods. Actually trying to physically feed them. It would appease the Gods and make them more clement.

We have been feeding them for a very long time in all over the earth mythologies.

What if these gods were not physical as we believe it?

The Tibetan Buddhist use fire puga to feed the hungry ghosts -the are not physical they live in the lower astral planes. They are attracted to Our. Negative thoughts, emotions and energy created from ones actions and any type of neurosis one might have. During a fire puga the hungry ghosts collect above you in a grouping about 20 to a 100 feet high. They feed off of the smoke. There can be hundreds to thousands of them. When the ceremony is done the hungry ghosts are either destroyed or vibrationallt tuned to a higher realm and consciousness. This is done through prayer, energy focus and the smoke.

Physical plane parasites are different they will find a host or someone to attach to. are difficult to get rid of... They usually live in 3 planes one below us, the earth and next astral.. 2 ways I know of to get rid of them. They are tricky and will hide. Complete focus a switch and energy see it for what it is This is where dreaming and stalking come in..... Move into and change the dream. Your mind and level of consciousness have a lot to do with it .

Then there are reptilian hybrids usually they are lighter green, small ears, medium eyes, medium slight build, around 6 to 7 ft tall some are reptilian/human and some are reptilian/other species-alien. They travel on this dimension/plane 4d/plane and the lower planes.... They are creepy and irritating. The only way I know how to get rid of them is tell them to leave -they will and leave your space

Then there are the reptilians. Green big eyes tall and a bit intimidating and aggressive. If they won't leave your space then it's best you leave.

Hope this helps some

Nora

We are all related

[ponda]

Maybe it's all by design.Maybe if everybody knew about 'the flyers' from the beginning then we wouldn't be able to experience this reality the way were supposed to and learn from it.Also the Universe might be taking 'the flyers' themselves into consideration when shaping the bigger picture.


From The Active Side Of Infinity

"The flyers' mind has not left you," don Juan said. "It has been seriously injured. It's trying its best to rearrange its relationship with you. But something in you is severed forever. The flyer knows that. The real danger is that the flyers' mind may win by getting you tired and forcing you to quit by playing the contradiction between what it says and what I say.

"You see, the flyers' mind has no competitors. When it proposes something, it agrees with its own proposition, and it makes you believe that you've done something of worth. The flyers' mind will say to you that whatever Juan Matus is telling you is pure nonsense, and then the same mind will agree with its own proposition, 'Yes, of course, it is nonsense,' you will say. That's the way they overcome us.

[christian]

I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

The Nag Hammadi scriptures, that talk about the Archons were discovered in 1945 or 47 or so.
http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html
Good questions anyways, I can only speculate, as I said, some might have been lost, then teaching humanity is a delicate issue, it might have been advantageous to focus mainly on other issues in the last millenia, also as a move to cosy the predator along, to give them a false sense of security, while formenting an evolution under the radar, all speculations...
The New Testament is still intruiging on this day, but when I read the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Talmud of Jmmanuel, it seems to me, that nevertheless the story of the Nazarene had been altered significantly in the current version of the Bible, how exactly the alteration and loss of information came about, is surely a great story, but I cannot tell you facts, I only heard about conciles, that edited the Bible in the past and that may only be the tip of the iceberg.

---

I see auras not only on people, but on plants, places etc. and sometimes rather big auras without any body attached to it just going around, I also saw black ones that look very much like the mudshadows. I am not obsessed at all with watching all the auric activity, I want to add, although it's an intruiging view, I usually have other things on my mind. (The stuff in italics is a paradox, isn't it? :biggrin1: )

[Davidallany]

I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

The Nag Hammadi scriptures, that talk about the Archons were discovered in 1945 or 47 or so.
http://www.jayweidner.com/Archons.html
Good questions anyways, I can only speculate, as I said, some might have been lost, then teaching humanity is a delicate issue, it might have been advantageous to focus mainly on other issues in the last millenia, also as a move to cosy the predator along, to give them a false sense of security, while formenting an evolution under the radar, all speculations...
The New Testament is still intruiging on this day, but when I read the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Talmud of Jmmanuel, it seems to me, that nevertheless the story of the Nazarene had been altered significantly in the current version of the Bible, how exactly the alteration and loss of information came about, is surely a great story, but I cannot tell you facts, I only heard about conciles, that edited the Bible in the past and that may only be the tip of the iceberg.

---

I see auras not only on people, but on plants, places etc. and sometimes rather big auras without any body attached to it just going around, I also saw black ones that look very much like the mudshadows. I am not obsessed at all with watching all the auric activity, I want to add, although it's an intruiging view, I usually have other things on my mind. (The stuff in italics is a paradox, isn't it? :biggrin1: )

Can you describe the method you use to see the shadows? I want to try it. Because right now I am in my semi-dark room, alone and scared :*[ . I don't want us to be food, Humanity is too pretty for that :]

[Davidallany]

If Carlos's story about what Don Juan had revealed to him was true, then why are these creatures not mentioned in Hinduism, Bonism or Buddhism? Although these spiritual schools emphasis on inner silence, and one of them involves heavy use of magic, they fail to mention a predatory non-organic beings who feed on Humans energy.
I have seen a glowing object one evening in my parents' garden. It was roughly the size of a male's fist about 3-5 meters above ground, it appeard all of the sudden from my right side as though it was moving already but not visible then it vanished over where I was sitting with my mom. I have no idea what the object was, it troubled me to think about it, so I forgot it, until some time ago here on Avalon when someone mentioned orbs. Things like that are scary to a child.

Actually our Neighbors back then claim to have seen a black shadow resembling a woman but bigger, climbing like a gecko the side of the their house, thus throwing tremndouse fear into their hearts. But I can't verify this story.


Your comments seem surprising to me. What about the common talk of demons, evil spirits, possession, well, name it, our cultures are full of trying to describe the undescribable.

In Middle East they are Jinns, in Asia demons, etc.

What about all these feeding and offerings to the gods. Shrines all over India are full of offerings, often food offerings. Mayan Indian would even sacrifice human beings to the gods. Actually trying to physically feed them. It would appease the Gods and make them more clement.

We have been feeding them for a very long time in all over the earth mythologies.

What if these gods were not physical as we believe it?

The Tibetan Buddhist use fire puga to feed the hungry ghosts -the are not physical they live in the lower astral planes. They are attracted to Our. Negative thoughts, emotions and energy created from ones actions and any type of neurosis one might have. During a fire puga the hungry ghosts collect above you in a grouping about 20 to a 100 feet high. They feed off of the smoke. There can be hundreds to thousands of them. When the ceremony is done the hungry ghosts are either destroyed or vibrationallt tuned to a higher realm and consciousness. This is done through prayer, energy focus and the smoke.

Physical plane parasites are different they will find a host or someone to attach to. are difficult to get rid of... They usually live in 3 planes one below us, the earth and next astral.. 2 ways I know of to get rid of them. They are tricky and will hide. Complete focus a switch and energy see it for what it is This is where dreaming and stalking come in..... Move into and change the dream. Your mind and level of consciousness have a lot to do with it .

Then there are reptilian hybrids usually they are lighter green, small ears, medium eyes, medium slight build, around 6 to 7 ft tall some are reptilian/human and some are reptilian/other species-alien. They travel on this dimension/plane 4d/plane and the lower planes.... They are creepy and irritating. The only way I know how to get rid of them is tell them to leave -they will and leave your space

Then there are the reptilians. Green big eyes tall and a bit intimidating and aggressive. If they won't leave your space then it's best you leave.

Hope this helps some

Nora

We are all related
Buddhisim is unclear on how the hungry ghost feed and on what. The description of a hungry ghost in Buddhisim is that of a being with huge stomach, long neck and a very small mouth. I have not seen such a being so I always thought its a way of controlling people, creat a scary monster who only those with knowledge can render it harmless, upon which they get paid.
I am not saying such beings can't exist, I just have not seen/felt them.

[ponda]

Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

[Davidallany]

Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

Why futile? Other people can see them. There must be a method to achiving that end.

[DNA]

I am not saying its not possible, I just have not seen any mention, not in the slightest bit of those flyers, not in Islam, not in Buddhisim and not in Hinduism. Why were the alleged information relating to them was lost from all schools? And where is the proof that some of them have been discovered lately?
It's difficult to believe that Jesus, Moses, Siddhartha and countless sorceres and shamans, talked about everything from paradise to fires of hell, but neglected to point out the real? reason behind humanity's trouble.

I've never knowingly seen a mudshadow as described by Castaneda. But I've seen some crazy sh!t in my time. I give credit to Castaneda's open eye gazing techniques for strengthening my third eye and making it possible for me to see some of the things I have seen.

My problem with the religions you mentioned is they never give you a technique for interfacing with the universe and understanding it for yourself.
Even the Tibetan Book of the Dead didn't really give techniques for expanding consciousness, just descriptions and things one can expect.

1. Place a rock in the sun and stare at the shadow. The aim is to stare until you your brain steps out of gear and your internal dialogue shuts off.
When your internal dialogue shuts off the world becomes an amazing mystery, the mystery that it really is, because try as we might to label our world, it is really a wonderfull unknown amazing thing.
2. Then move on to staring at small pebbles. I personally like bits of granite. Bury them if possible when you are done. There are some weird things in our world and leaving energetic tell tale markers around for them is a bad idea. I ignored this advice Castaneda gives in his books and instead stared at protrusions from my ceiling, and protrusians from a statue, both instances were marked with undesireables using these instances to locate me.

I appreciate your taking the role of Devil's Advocate here David.

[DNA]

Buddhisim is unclear on how the hungry ghost feed and on what. The description of a hungry ghost in Buddhisim is that of a being with huge stomach, long neck and a very small mouth. I have not seen such a being so I always thought its a way of controlling people, creat a scary monster who only those with knowledge can render it harmless, upon which they get paid.
I am not saying such beings can't exist, I just have not seen/felt them.

If you haven't seen a ghost, I kind of started a thread for just this kind of thing. How To See A Ghost For Your Self (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21695-How-To-See-A-Ghost-For-Your-Self)
Just for the record, I think all ghosts on our plane of existance are hungry ghosts.
And pretty much any interaction you have with them will be based on your feeding them.

[ponda]

Davidallany said:

Why futile?

Ok then suppose you do actually get to see one.Then what....

I hope you succeed in spotting one btw if that's what you want

[christian]

Can you describe the method you use to see the shadows? I want to try it. Because right now I am in my semi-dark room, alone and scared :*[ . I don't want us to be food, Humanity is too pretty for that :]

Come on, you got to be kidding, you know what effect it has on you to be fearful and scared :biggrin1:

I was told by a friend in a rather intimate moment, that she sees auras and I was totally intruiged. From that day on, I was bent on seeing it for myself and by the time it worked, sometimes not so good, sometimes very good, but better and better overall (like the rising silver price :biggrin1: )

I did not intend on seeing any auras without bodies or seeing mudshadows, I just noticed them eventually. By now, I usually only notices the permanent colors of auras, if they are really intense, otherwise I mostly perceive (don't know why, though) the minute changes in the aura, the very current thoughts and emotions manifesting as colors around the body but especially from the shoulders upwards.

So the way I got there, was just the intent to see energy and I think it's important to add, that I did not fear anything during the process, like a baby would not fear a lion and maybe this way even protect itself from being a victim. I know and feel that there is a spark 'within myself' that is totally indestructable, that's my fulcrum.

[Davidallany]

Thank you for the opportunity to contribute here, DNA. This subject blows away the devil himself. I am taking it very seriously and will pursue any available data related to it. I don't want no non physical bug sucking the life out of us.

[Mark]

You can see them in the dark, as Casteneda describes. Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision. They are the darkness against the darkness. Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Speaking of shadows. Reminds me of an episode from Doctor Who - Silence in the library (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_in_the_Library)

The reason why even the Doctor is wary of shadows & now snaps his fingers to open the door to the TARDIS for its light.

Folk who havn't seen Doctor Who may be shocked at some of the things this series does cover.
Are they trying to get info out?

[Guest]

You can see them in the dark, as Casteneda describes. Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision. They are the darkness against the darkness. Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

Yes turn off the internal dialogue -the voice of knowledge hence the power of silence and "seeing" is not about seeing with eyes.... It's About seeing with your true nature.

And if a traditionalist charges you money they are probably not worth a salt

I was giving you an example David. -fire is a great purifier. A. Teacher knows that you know -they trick you to teach you. To own your own power and to connect to the Source of All

Nora

We are all related

[Elethia]

This subject brings up something that has puzzled me. That is, the reasoning behind human sacrifice and its purpose. There is a story that two groups of Mayan's once went to war over the issue to make human sacrifice or not. The one's who supported sacrifice won. And so it goes.

When you think of the Aztecs sacrificing 20,000 or more in a day, ripping out beating hearts and holding them up to 'feed' the gods. This idea of 'feeding' the gods, was it inserted in human minds from these beings? Imagine the horror and terror unleashed in such a spectacle. A fear feast if ever there was one.

I believe our freedom from such 'intrusions' is the mastery of our emotions which comes from understanding what triggers them and why. Balance, peace and clarity is all the protection we need. (Or that is the goal I'm working on. Anything more and it gets too complicated for me.)

[Flash]

There was a thread that was talking about shadows seen from the corner of the eye. People were seeing them more and more. Is this related to the archons and other feeding shadow like entities, who knows, but here is the thread

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16018-Smoke-Shadows-and-Something-there&p=171456&highlight=shadows+corner+eye#post171456

[DNA]

You can see them in the dark,

This becomes a topic of debate. Not that you are seeing something in the dark, but what are you seeing in the dark?

I have found that I can take folks who have had literally no training and little meditation practice, put them in a completely dark room, and with a manuever here or there, get them to see a ghost for themselves. Of the folks who didn't freak out and run out of the room, most folks reported seeing a reddish blob. I personally think ghosts are around us all the time.
I would guess there is a ghost within your proximity 80% of the day.




Stillness of the mind and body with eyes open, paying attention to the corners of your vision.They are the darkness against the darkness.

Even here, I personally do think there are shadow creatures, but I have not come to the conclusian as to wether they are the fliers Don Juan talks about.
I had a front row interaction with a shadow person once, and from all indicators, if he was a Don Juan flier, he certainly didn't know it.
He had a very human mind with very human emotions, fears and reactions. My Interactions With A Shadow Being. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?28318-My-Interactions-With-A-Shadow-Being.)



Since you know about them now, they will dance for you too, it seems to be a kind of nefarious teasing, designed to elicit fear and return you to a state of submission. This is not some external entity that we are speaking of. It is with you now, with us, now. It is the dialogue within your mind that speaks, that you think is your voice but it is not. We speak of it here in the abstract but it is intimately familiar to us. I rather think that we do see them as children and that we learn to not see them eventually or to ignore them.

You know Rahkyt, I hope you don't mind, but while I was reading this, I heard Lawrence Fishbourne's voice monologuing it, while he was rolling a metallic pill box through his fingers. :)
I agree with what your saying here, only I would genaralize what is being seen to a vast and unexplored fauna of inorganic life. There appears to be benevolant inorganic life in the form of nature spirits, elf and gnome like beings to name a few, and there seem to be malavelant inorganic life, focused on attaining it's nutrition from our life force.

I like what Micheal Harner states after his experience with the vine of truth. "that there were "dragons" huge whale like creatures who stated that they started all life on earth and hide within the vast manifestations of it on our planet".

For me,,,,I have always correlated what Harner stated here to Castaneda's fliers, and in my mind, these huge whale like creatures live in a state of perpetual non-life, how HP LOVECRAFT describes the old ones. "that is not dead that can eternal lie, yet with strange aeons even death may die". This famous one liner of his is very accurate in describing the fourth dimension in my mind. And it wouldn't suprise me at all if these reptillian like whales existed in this fashion, attached to each and every one of us and corded accordingly.

In my mind it is the cord, the tether Don Juan is describing when he talks about the fliers. A living connection of sorts to the Whale Dragons who live perpetually and yet, do not live at all. Parasitic gods (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?31760-Parasitic-gods)

[DNA]

I have noted in my explorations that parasitic entities seem to be, impeded in their travel by dense matter. Cinder blocks and granite come to mind.

The difficulty isn't in passing through such substances, but passing through them without losing the "energy" they stole from their human hosts.

Could this be why so many ET bases are located deep underground? Could this be why we have mythological societies like that under Mt. Shasta living quite comfortably underground with no envy what so ever of those who reside in the open air and sunlight? Are these underground bases "protection" from the fliers?

[johnf]

Davidallany said:

True, I thought of that before actually posting my first post, that's why I mentioned another school of sorcery and magic, namely Bonism.

Well the same logic might apply to Bonism as well as other ritualistic and esoteric groups if the parasite theory is true.I could be wrong but i think that the only groups or belief systems that had any info about them were Gnosticism and Shamanicism.There quite possibly were others as well.Also you could very well be correct that they are indeed mentioned in other religions texts etc but it might depend on interpretation or reading between the lines etc

This is assuming that mind parasites are separate and different from demons etc

It seems that we are going in a circle now, maybe it's the flyers' mind hard at work. But I can't prove it.
The majority of writings on gnosticism were burned, the teachers were hunted down, imprisoned and killed. The mesoamericans were used for slave labor and many of them died, thier teachings lived on in secret until Carlos Casteneda and others started writing about them. That is probably why you don't see these beliefs in most religions these days. Systematic elimination, and replacement with watered down beliefs.

[modwiz]

Frank Zappa said they were mudsharks. :jester:

I disagree.

[Mark]

I have noted in my explorations that parasitic entities seem to be, impeded in their travel by dense matter. Cinder blocks and granite come to mind.

The difficulty isn't in passing through such substances, but passing through them without losing the "energy" they stole from their human hosts.

Could this be why so many ET bases are located deep underground? Could this be why we have mythological societies like that under Mt. Shasta living quite comfortably underground with no envy what so ever of those who reside in the open air and sunlight? Are these underground bases "protection" from the fliers?

This is directly in line with my contention that even physicl ETs must be affected by these non-material entities. The modus operandi of the Fliers, "they gave us their mind", express emotional ranges that seem to run the gamut of the extra-terrestrial species much the same way as they do in humanity. Perhaps they have another name for them, or perhaps they are 'not allowed' to talk about them to humans or, perhaps their multi-dimensional awarenesses have found effective ways to deal with them.

[toad]

Trying to see them might be a futile endeavor.It might be more beneficial to try to notice their influence on the mind and lessen their impact.

Sounds like a self fulfilling proposition. Naturally I'm highly skeptical. I should however disclaim the fact that I truly believe there are entities out there, call it spirits/souls/ghosts/Multidimensional Non - Organic beings/Djin/etc... I've had some highly intense experiences with a lil known compound called n,n-dmt, the same compound utilized in alot of amazonian tribes via a brew called ayahuasca. The experiences I was left with shattered most of what I felt about this universe, and left me touched in a way I can't really begin to describe. Have any of you experimented with n,n-dmt or aya?

[DNA]

This is directly in line with my contention that even physicl ETs must be affected by these non-material entities. The modus operandi of the Fliers, "they gave us their mind", express emotional ranges that seem to run the gamut of the extra-terrestrial species much the same way as they do in humanity. Perhaps they have another name for them, or perhaps they are 'not allowed' to talk about them to humans or, perhaps their multi-dimensional awarenesses have found effective ways to deal with them.

The best short story I have ever read ( The Mound Free PDF (http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/mo.asp) )By HP Lovecraft gave me some insight into this whole thing. It's strange how fiction can point you in directions like this. The story centers around a anthropologist/archeologist who goes to Oklahoma to survey a living myth, one easily viewed by anyone who wishes to see it. The story centers around a haunted hill, that is frequented by two spectral apparitions each and every night. The phantasmagorical beings emmanate a blue light and can be seen from the town. Folks have long since desisted in attempting to explore the mound and it's mysteries because of a series of unfortunate events that have befallen those who have tried.

The visiting archeologist starts by interviewing the local native population living on a reservation near by. The scientist was told that there exists an underground civilization, a race of beings very advanced and that they don't take kindly to people snooping into their domain. He states the ghosts are sentrys, guarding the entrance to this civilization.

The pertinent information is this, the scientist recovers a manuscript in spanish, written by one of the members of the cortez expedition who were searching for the famed lost city of gold.
And it is now stated in the story, that these underground dwellers were remnents of the lost continent of Atlantis, and that they chose "to live underground because of a race of invisible demons that arrived on the earth from outter space, and that any man living above ground would be infected by them and thus become as a demon himself".

[Flash]

Here is an interview with this guy and a little speeded Laura Eisenhover.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA


Here is more on the Archons

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32202-How-the-Draconians-try-to-kill-the-luminous-child

Very interesting video, but I must say that Laura Eisenhower is about impossible to follow for non native speakers. This is lightspeed talking lol! I rarely have to pay so close attention in English anymore, as I had to here, and as she constantly moved, I could not follow her lips either in order to get some help!

I will have to listen again, not because I could not grasp the ideas, but because I could not grasp the speed - wish telepathy was here right now!. Everything seems to easily tie in though from everything I had read, heard, listened from years back, encompassing spirituality, psychology, science, religions, politics and more.

Very interesting vid altogether

[Mark]

The pertinent information is this, the scientist recovers a manuscript in spanish, written by one of the members of the cortez expedition who were searching for the famed lost city of gold. And it is now stated in the story, that these underground dwellers were remnents of the lost continent of Atlantis, and that they chose "to live underground because of a race of invisible demons that arrived on the earth from outter space, and that any man living above ground would be infected by them and thus become as a demon himself".

Excellent. And there is a section of the book, The Active Side of Infinity where Don Juan is explaining the presence of the Flyers and he states:


The sorcerers of ancient Mexico saw the predator. They called it the flyer because it leaps through the air. It is not a pretty sight. It is a big shadow, impenetrably dark, a black shadow that jumps through the air. Then, it lands flat on the ground. The sorcerers of ancient Mexico were quite ill at ease with the idea of when it made its appearance on Earth. They reasoned that man must have been a complete being at one point, with stupendous insights, feats of awareness that are mythological legends nowadays. And then everything seems to disappear, and we have now a sedated man.

This implies that man was present when the Flyer came. But the Gnostics state that the Archons have been present since the "earliet formation of the solar system".

[ponda]

toad said:

Sounds like a self fulfilling proposition. Naturally I'm highly skeptical. I should however disclaim the fact that I truly believe there are entities out there, call it spirits/souls/ghosts/Multidimensional Non - Organic beings/Djin/etc... I've had some highly intense experiences with a lil known compound called n,n-dmt, the same compound utilized in alot of amazonian tribes via a brew called ayahuasca. The experiences I was left with shattered most of what I felt about this universe, and left me touched in a way I can't really begin to describe. Have any of you experimented with n,n-dmt or aya?



No i haven't any experience with ayahuasca but i've had a fair bit of experience with some aspects of what some might call paranormal activity.From some of what i've seen,felt and heard anything is possible.i look on the experiences as lessons and that i was shown or given these experiences to learn from them.Also since the activity started i've had some unusual dreams many of which are negative so i assume that there might be a connection between the activity and the dreams.

[DNA]

This implies that man was present when the Flyer came. But the Gnostics state that the Archons have been present since the "earliest formation of the solar system".

I hear what you are saying. But let's remember that we don't know if the Archons are in fact a non-organic race as Castaneda describes his fliers. In fact, the Archons themselves may be a race of beings influenced by the fliers as well, and well, if they have the mind of the fliers, in effect they would be the fliers.

I'm never assuming any of this stuff is concrete I just open dialogues for consideration. For instance, Drunvellow Melchezidek states that the original earth human was capable of incredible things we can now only dream of. The poeple of MU and Atlantis. He states that a contingent of Martians with advanced technology came to earth and opened a portal when they attempted to create a false merkaba, a technological merkaba. This opened a portal and allowed dark astral entities to invade earth, causing sickness, lower life spans and man losing his abbilities that were once a birth right.

Might the archons be those martians, actual physical entities, not in fact the fliers? I'm just speculating.

[Mark]

I'm never assuming any of this stuff is concrete I just open dialogues for consideration. For instance, Drunvellow Melchezidek states that the original earth human was capable of incredible things we can now only dream of. The poeple of MU and Atlantis. He states that a contingent of Martians with advanced technology came to earth and opened a portal when they attempted to create a false merkaba, a technological merkaba. This opened a portal and allowed dark astral entities to invade earth, causing sickness, lower life spans and man losing his abbilities that were once a birth right.

Might the archons be those martians, actual physical entities, not in fact the fliers? I'm just speculating.

Granted, re the speculative aspect, that is all we are doing, in essence, it is all a thought exercise based upon the available information we have to work with. That contention of Drunvalo's stayed with me for a long time, I'm not even sure where I got it from waaaay back in the day, probably it was him, because I was on the Merkaba meditation kick for a long time till I read somewhere that it was twisted somehow. There are some cartoons somebody made of this idea somewhere on this site from YT. The information from the Nag Hammadi is sparse. As someone stated, all of those Gnostic's information was destroyed unless some is somewhere down in the Vatican vaults. It is unclear whether the Archons are both physical and astral. But since the Nag Hammadi gives prescriptions pertaining to how to banish them on the astral plane, in the lucid dreaming state, they have abilities that are extra-sensory in nature. If the Archons are also the Watchers, then the correlations between so many traditions just clicks into place with Annunaki, Nagas, Naguals, on and on and on.

The underlying trend though in light of all of the endless details and names and material conditions is one of control, intimate knowledge and energy vampirism. That much, at least, is beyond speculation and can be drawn conclusively from the available evidence.

[DNA]

This implies that man was present when the Flyer came. But the Gnostics state that the Archons have been present since the "earliest formation of the solar system".

I hear what you are saying. But let's remember that we don't know if the Archons are in fact a non-organic race as Castaneda describes his fliers. In fact, the Archons themselves may be a race of beings influenced by the fliers as well, and well, if they have the mind of the fliers, in effect they would be the fliers.

I'm never assuming any of this stuff is concrete I just open dialogues for consideration. For instance, Drunvellow Melchezidek states that the original earth human was capable of incredible things we can now only dream of. The poeple of MU and Atlantis. He states that a contingent of Martians with advanced technology came to earth and opened a portal when they attempted to create a false merkaba, a technological merkaba. This opened a portal and allowed dark astral entities to invade earth, causing sickness, lower life spans and man losing his abbilities that were once a birth right.

Might the archons be those martians, actual physical entities, not in fact the fliers? I'm just speculating.

This series of animated videos covers what I'm talking about with Drunvelo. This one in particular. It's an awesome series, very entertaining. Fast paced, very worth the watch.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwCaZaSon9A&feature=player_embedded#!
Here is the thread Real History of Mankind & Rise of Atlantis (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25112-Real-History-of-Mankind-Rise-of-Atlantis)
In case you want to see what anyone else has written in connection to these videos.

[DNA]

Granted, re the speculative aspect, that is all we are doing, in essence, it is all a thought exercise based upon the available information we have to work with. That contention of Drunvalo's stayed with me for a long time, I'm not even sure where I got it from waaaay back in the day, probably it was him, because I was on the Merkaba meditation kick for a long time till I read somewhere that it was twisted somehow. There are some cartoons somebody made of this idea somewhere on this site from YT. The information from the Nag Hammadi is sparse. As someone stated, all of those Gnostic's information was destroyed unless some is somewhere down in the Vatican vaults. It is unclear whether the Archons are both physical and astral. But since the Nag Hammadi gives prescriptions pertaining to how to banish them on the astral plane, in the lucid dreaming state, they have abilities that are extra-sensory in nature. If the Archons are also the Watchers, then the correlations between so many traditions just clicks into place with Annunaki, Nagas, Naguals, on and on and on.

The underlying trend though in light of all of the endless details and names and material conditions is one of control, intimate knowledge and energy vampirism. That much, at least, is beyond speculation and can be drawn conclusively from the available evidence.

I agree, I never knew what the hell to think of Drunvalo, I was introduced to him when I was a wee lad of 22, I was at a rave party hitting on this girl, we really hit it off, she had just moved to Phoenix from Sedona, and she had moved with her job, which was as a Nanny for this cat named Drunvalo Melchezidek. She was just appalled I didn't know who the guy was, so she gave me a copy of the Bob Frissal book "nothing in this book is true but it is exactly the way things are".

I have never known what to think about the guy either, but a series of synchronicities has led me to think he may very well be legit. Including but not limited to this being one of my absolute favorite songs in the world, and then I read the flower of life and I was like,,,wow,,,so that's what that song means. :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tja6_h4lT6A

Oh,,,and I had just found that cartoon thing and posted it right about the same time you posted what you said about it. When I read your post I laughed my ass off, I was like,,,cool,,,,we were both there on that. :)

[ponda]

Something that Thomas Sheridan said in one of his interviews was that psychopaths seem to be able to recognize one another.He said that from his studies of them that when a psychopath enters a crowded room that their eyes start darting around the room quickly.This might imply that if there is a connection between psychopaths and psychic parasites that either the parasites can recognize other humans who have these attachments or that something else is using the parasite human connection so as to manipulate outcomes.

Here's a Thomas Sheridan Red Ice interview: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110626-tsheridan.mp3

[Mark]

I agree, I never knew what the hell to think of Drunvalo, I was introduced to him when I was a wee lad of 22, I was at a rave party hitting on this girl, we really hit it off, she had just moved to Phoenix from Sedona, and she had moved with her job, which was as a Nanny for this cat named Drunvalo Melchezidek. She was just appalled I didn't know who the guy was, so she gave me a copy of the Bob Frissal book "nothing in this book is true but it is exactly the way things are".

Haha exactly. I had that book and that's probably where I knew this tale from. What a name for a cat. Imagine calling him home in the evenings???



Oh,,,and I had just found that cartoon thing and posted it right about the same time you posted what you said about it. When I read your post I laughed my ass off, I was like,,,cool,,,,we were both there on that. :)

I did also. It's a great series of vids for folks coming into it for the first time or those who are familiar with it but want a refresher.

[Flash]

Neat video DNA

THis following one explains towards the end, where the archons would be coming from


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k6b95gxzYM&feature=related

[DNA]

Something that Thomas Sheridan said in one of his interviews was that psychopaths seem to able to recognize one another.He said that from his studies of them that when a psychopath enters a crowded room that their eyes start darting around the room quickly.This might imply that if there is a connection between psychopaths and psychic parasites that either the parasites can recognize other humans who have these attachments or that something else is using the parasite human connection so as to manipulate outcomes.

Here's a Thomas Sheridan Red Ice interview: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110626-tsheridan.mp3

Wow,,,that makes a whole lot of sense really.
This opens the door to the intriguing discussian of multiple parastic layers existing and manifesting from the astral.
Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings)

[ponda]

DNA said;

Wow,,,that makes a whole lot of sense really.
This opens the door to the intriguing discussian of multiple parastic layers existing and manifesting from the astral.

Yeah it might explain why the world is in the state that it is and how 'they' appear to control everything and always get away with it.The elite,illuminati,et's etc might all have inter-tangled strings attached to them that go up to the archons and beyond.

[modwiz]

Something that Thomas Sheridan said in one of his interviews was that psychopaths seem to able to recognize one another.He said that from his studies of them that when a psychopath enters a crowded room that their eyes start darting around the room quickly.This might imply that if there is a connection between psychopaths and psychic parasites that either the parasites can recognize other humans who have these attachments or that something else is using the parasite human connection so as to manipulate outcomes.

Here's a Thomas Sheridan Red Ice interview: http://www.redicecreations.com/radio/2011/06/RIR-110626-tsheridan.mp3

I think the body is a disguise. The 'real' occupant is looking for others of its own species. Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant. They know it and so should we. The whole entitlement thing is a big red flag.

[Mark]

[QUOTE=ponda;377916]I think the body is a disguise. The 'real' occupant is looking for others of its own species. Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant. They know it and so should we. The whole entitlement thing is a big red flag.

Hm. Organic Portals (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm) maybe? I know it's been discussed here many times but the true non-human aspect of it has never really been addressed.

[modwiz]

Here is an interview with this guy and a little speeded Laura Eisenhover.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frIhzLHHryA


Here is more on the Archons

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32202-How-the-Draconians-try-to-kill-the-luminous-child

Very interesting video, but I must say that Laura Eisenhower is about impossible to follow for non native speakers. This is lightspeed talking lol! I rarely have to pay so close attention in English anymore, as I had to here, and as she constantly moved, I could not follow her lips either in order to get some help!

I will have to listen again, not because I could not grasp the ideas, but because I could not grasp the speed - wish telepathy was here right now!. Everything seems to easily tie in though from everything I had read, heard, listened from years back, encompassing spirituality, psychology, science, religions, politics and more.

Very interesting vid altogether

I sympathize with you about her rate of talking. What she has to say is monumental. That half hour of hers is one of the best half hours of information and inspiration I have ever heard. Whatever effort you have to put forth, Flash, will be well worth it IMO. Unless the material is not where you go.

[modwiz]

[QUOTE=ponda;377916]I think the body is a disguise. The 'real' occupant is looking for others of its own species. Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant. They know it and so should we. The whole entitlement thing is a big red flag.

Hm. Organic Portals (http://www.cassiopaea.org/cass/organic_portals.htm) maybe? I know it's been discussed here many times but the true non-human aspect of it has never really been addressed.

Yes, so I am addressing it to stay ahead of a rapidly moving situation. I know how radical that statement is, but I am not alone and I think it pivotal to 'get' it. Some of these possessions are generational now and it is sinking into the DNA coding. Probably hiding a traceable footprint in the 'junk DNA'. The stuff 'scientists are clueless about so they call it junk, like their science,lol.

[ponda]

modwiz said:

Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant


Yes well it definitely is possible but proving it might be difficult.I still suspect that souled humans could be controlled/influenced by these parasites and not even be aware of it and yet not be psychopathic.I think that there might be a connection between elite bloodlines and say parasitic/demonic/astral control as well.

[Mark]

Yes, so I am addressing it to stay ahead of a rapidly moving situation. I know how radical that statement is, but I am not alone and I think it pivotal to 'get' it. Some of these possessions are generational now and it is sinking into the DNA coding. Probably hiding a traceable footprint in the 'junk DNA'. The stuff 'scientists are clueless about so they call it junk, like their science,lol.

What do you think of the Russian research on junk dna (http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/dna1.html)? That it is actually where language comes from (http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm) and is utilized and not really somnolent? Laura KJ and the research they speak of equate the OPs to almost 50% of the population. Another race. They say that it is the difference between the christian "wheat and the tares" prophecy. They also evoke Gurdjieff and Ouspensky in corroboration.

There is evidence that those who are capable of "spirit possession" may also have the same dna type as those we consider to be Illuminati and capable of being accessed extra-dimensionally by ultra-dimensional entities. This might include priests and priestesses of indigenous religions who are "born" to be seers and shamans What do you think of that?

[ponda]

Rahkyt said;

Hm. Organic Portals maybe? I know it's been discussed here many times but the true non-human aspect of it has never really been addressed.


Yeah they have been described as an intra-species predator

[Mark]

Yeah they have been described as an intra-species predator

What if the "intra-species" predator is being controlled sometimes by an external predator? An astral predator? One genetically bred to be the perfect host for them over centuries?

[modwiz]

modwiz said:

Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant


Yes well it definitely is possible but proving it might be difficult.I still suspect that souled humans could be controlled/influenced by these parasites and not even be aware of it and yet not be psychopathic.I think that there might be a connection between elite bloodlines and say parasitic/demonic/astral control as well.

Exactly my point about it being 'generational' and in the DNA. Bloodlines of pre-prepared vehicles for easy entry. Vibrationally 'attuned', so to speak.

There are then those who have 'sold their souls' and may or may not be 'there' anymore. Agreements are made, although the ego may not be aware of anything. It just resonates with the 'plan'. Complicated to be sure, but not too complicated. Unless we choose to play 'see no evil'. That game is the one we play very willingly to their advantage. This they know and use.

[DNA]

Yeah they have been described as an intra-species predator

What if the "intra-species" predator is being controlled sometimes by an external predator? An astral predator? One genetically bred to be the perfect host for them over centuries?

Yea, I've thought of that before, a sort of "avatar" for an inorganic being if you will.

[ponda]

Rahkyt said:

What if the "intra-species" predator is being controlled sometimes by an external predator? An astral predator? One genetically bred to be the perfect host for them over centuries?


Yes exactly and they only need a few hosts to control the rest.They manipulate events so all the money and power has gradually accumulated into the hands of the few and now here we are.But the show ain't over and they aren't the only game in town.

[ThePythonicCow]

Very interesting video, but I must say that Laura Eisenhower is about impossible to follow for non native speakers. This is lightspeed talking lol! Sounds like a cheap mic or close hard walls, causing distortion, to me. Whatever ... she has a difficult voice to record, and not sound like a chipmunk in an undersized echo chamber.

[modwiz]

Yes, so I am addressing it to stay ahead of a rapidly moving situation. I know how radical that statement is, but I am not alone and I think it pivotal to 'get' it. Some of these possessions are generational now and it is sinking into the DNA coding. Probably hiding a traceable footprint in the 'junk DNA'. The stuff 'scientists are clueless about so they call it junk, like their science,lol.

What do you think of the Russian research on junk dna (http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/dna1.html)? That it is actually where language comes from (http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm) and is utilized and not really somnolent? Laura KJ and the research they speak of equate the OPs to almost 50% of the population. Another race. They say that it is the difference between the christian "wheat and the tares" prophecy. They also evoke Gurdjieff and Ouspensky in corroboration.

There is evidence that those who are capable of "spirit possession" may also have the same dna type as those we consider to be Illuminati and capable of being accessed extra-dimensionally by ultra-dimensional entities. This might include priests and priestesses of indigenous religions who are "born" to be seers and shamans What do you think of that?

Think of it? You are singing my song, brother. My whole bit about DNA, junk DNA and generational predisposition are ways of saying the same basic thing.

As far as the language structure they found in the junk DNA I totally believe/know that. I have been talking to my DNA for some years now, so when they came out with that I said to myself, "it's about time". The language is in the regular DNA as well. The huge portions of the 'junk' made seeing the patterns easier. The 'language' they are seeing in the 'junk' is more like the library of Alexandria in our coding. Our personal 'activated' default setting DNA operating system has much less information and is in the micro version of the language. The 'junk' DNA is a macro form. Same syntax just more easily observable. Solar system, atomic system analogy.

[DNA]

modwiz said:

Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant


Yes well it definitely is possible but proving it might be difficult.I still suspect that souled humans could be controlled/influenced by these parasites and not even be aware of it and yet not be psychopathic.I think that there might be a connection between elite bloodlines and say parasitic/demonic/astral control as well.

Exactly my point about it being 'generational' and in the DNA. Bloodlines of pre-prepared vehicles for easy entry. Vibrationally 'attuned', so to speak.

There are then those who have 'sold their souls' and may or may not be 'there' anymore. Agreements are made, although the ego may not be aware of anything. It just resonates with the 'plan'. Complicated to be sure, but not too complicated. Unless we choose to play 'see no evil'. That game is the one we play very willingly to their advantage. This they know and use.

Now your are talking about a very scary potential reality here.
I have often speculated as to the rituals the "illuminati" types do.
Skull and Bones,,,,The Masons,,,,,,Bohemian Grove,,,,,,,even starting at such seemingly naive levels as college fraternities.
Reciting some old promise in Greek, or Latin, and not even knowing what you are saying half the time.

I have speculated on another thread the very real possibility of peripheal possesion, and seemingly as stated by myself and others, one needs to invite said creatures in.
Just like the myth about the vampire needing to be invited into your home.

I have also listened to folks state that the bloodline thing is very important when talking illuminati types, and so what you say makes sense.
You have human hosts bred in supposedly prestigous families, but now not sounding like such fun. We have these folks then often abused, and why sexual abuse and pedophilia runs so rampend with these folks seems to me to be a technique used to weaken an individuals defenses against these possessing entities.

And then you have the rituals conducted and said persons given the mantra to invite said entities into themselves.

Crazy!

[ponda]

modwiz said:

Exactly my point about it being 'generational' and in the DNA. Bloodlines of pre-prepared vehicles for easy entry. Vibrationally 'attuned', so to speak.

There are then those who have 'sold their souls' and may or may not be 'there' anymore. Agreements are made, although the ego may not be aware of anything. It just resonates with the 'plan'. Complicated to be sure, but not too complicated. Unless we choose to play 'see no evil'. That game is the one we play very willingly to their advantage. This they know and use.


Yes i agree entirely.Anyone of any use to them who isn't of their blood can be initiated into the bigger control picture or "coerced" by whatever means necessary.The trouble for them is that the curtain is being pulled back and there's nothing that they can do about that

[modwiz]

modwiz said:

Psychopaths as non-humans is a meme I would like to firmly implant


Yes well it definitely is possible but proving it might be difficult.I still suspect that souled humans could be controlled/influenced by these parasites and not even be aware of it and yet not be psychopathic.I think that there might be a connection between elite bloodlines and say parasitic/demonic/astral control as well.

Exactly my point about it being 'generational' and in the DNA. Bloodlines of pre-prepared vehicles for easy entry. Vibrationally 'attuned', so to speak.

There are then those who have 'sold their souls' and may or may not be 'there' anymore. Agreements are made, although the ego may not be aware of anything. It just resonates with the 'plan'. Complicated to be sure, but not too complicated. Unless we choose to play 'see no evil'. That game is the one we play very willingly to their advantage. This they know and use.

Now your are talking about a very scary potential reality here.
I have often speculated as to the rituals the "illuminati" types do.
Skull and Bones,,,,The Masons,,,,,,Bohemian Grove,,,,,,,even starting at such seemingly naive levels as college fraternities.
Reciting some old promise in Greek, or Latin, and not even knowing what you are saying half the time.

I have speculated on another thread the very real possibility of peripheal possesion, and seemingly as stated by myself and others, one needs to invite said creatures in.
Just like the myth about the vampire needing to be invited into your home.

I have also listened to folks state that the bloodline thing is very important when talking illuminati types, and so what you say makes sense.
You have human hosts bred in supposedly prestigous families, but now not sounding like such fun. We have these folks then often abused, and why sexual abuse and pedophilia runs so rampend with these folks seems to me to be a technique used to weaken an individuals defenses against these possessing entities.

And then you have the rituals conducted and said persons given the mantra to invite said entities into themselves.

Crazy!

We are making great progress here. People are 'getting' it. There was a movie where certain glasses or something allowed you to see who was 'owned' or not. In this case knowledge is our glasses along with discernment and behavior pattern recognition.

Thank you for laying it out so well. My use of language may not always be optimal for getting the message across. Multiples of people who 'get it' and put it into their language makes it more accessible to more people.

[Mark]

We have these folks then often abused, and why sexual abuse and pedophilia runs so rampend with these folks seems to me to be a technique used to weaken an individuals defenses against these possessing entities.

And then you have the rituals conducted and said persons given the mantra to invite said entities into themselves.

Crazy!

Crazy but powerful. The sexual abuse also serves an energetic purpose as the sex itself can result in the awakening of Kundalini for certain purposes and also depending upon the type of sex (I'll keep it G-rated). For those who are organic portals there is a different kind of response than for those who are trained to be psychopathic and who may incarnate into families who have been portals for generations. The research as conducted by those who have looked into this state that OPs can be born into regular families. That they have a sort of 'collective soul' or 'animal soul' going on, not an individuated soul like a human who has reached that level. The theory goes that they are newly arrived in humanity and that this next cycle is their incarnative opportunity, as the previous cycle has been for many of us.

[DNA]

We have these folks then often abused, and why sexual abuse and pedophilia runs so rampend with these folks seems to me to be a technique used to weaken an individuals defenses against these possessing entities.

And then you have the rituals conducted and said persons given the mantra to invite said entities into themselves.

Crazy!

Crazy but powerful. The sexual abuse also serves an energetic purpose as the sex itself can result in the awakening of Kundalini for certain purposes and also depending upon the type of sex (I'll keep it G-rated). For those who are organic portals there is a different kind of response than for those who are trained to be psychopathic and who may incarnate into families who have been portals for generations. The research as conducted by those who have looked into this state that OPs can be born into regular families. That they have a sort of 'collective soul' or 'animal soul' going on, not an individuated soul like a human who has reached that level. The theory goes that they are newly arrived in humanity and that this next cycle is their incarnative opportunity, as the previous cycle has been for many of us.

Don Juan also stated in his excerpt that the human being is covered with a fine layer of energy surrounding the aura but that this diminishes through life.
I'm thinking this may also explain what is going on here. And for folks who doubt that the elite are very much into this whole pedophilia thing, read this thread. Washington D.C. Politicians Documented Instances of Pedophilia (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?24794-Washington-D.C.-Politicians-Documented-Instances-of-Pedophilia)
It is a well documented phsychological fact that people who are victims of pedophilia at an early age are far more likely to become one themselves.
As such, with pedophilia being practiced so often on our world leaders it would make sense that many of them would in turn become one themselves.

The videos by Cathy OBrien opened my eyes to this reality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-rUnC7uV5yY

[modwiz]

I was reading Duncan O'Finioan's blog today and came across something he said that really struck a chord with me. To paraphrase, "Off planet real body entities bleed, cut and can be killed like anybody else. It is the 4th dimensional entities that scare the crap out of me". I put this out there to try and keep a focus on the real problem, entities masquerading as humans. Ones whose native environment has no 3-D existence. It is very easy for us to get lost if we do not use our focus to quiet the 'whispers' that will come with this territory. Don Juan says it comes with being human. Although I am still working with whether the Fliers and Archons are the same problem. It could be a matter of perceptions and language obfuscating the same issue though. Minding our minds does seem to be the first order of personal psychic hygiene to attend to here.

[Ultima Thule]

I´ve read several of Castanedas books years ago, but these fliers I´ve either missed or forgotten completely.
The basic setup is that the fliers are independent entities that have come from somewhere and you can protect yourself from them by stillness of mind(or approximately so)?

What if they never came from anywhere, but the moment there was separation from unity, resulting in duality, they were created by the first negative thought as a feedback system to aid people in discerning which state of the mind leads towards unity once more by showing the wrong way? If state of the mind would be thought of as frequency, the fliers being the radio frequency you do not wan´t to tune in to? Could they just be a part of the system that makes things work energetically, perhaps even reasonably limiting the abilities of an individual with a lot of negative and angry thoughts, so that he/she cannot harness the full energetic potential of the human? It is a grim story the way it was told, and I´m finding this concept fitting them in energetic systems the way I see them with no apparent contradiction - on the other hand they might be making this story up in me to ease my existence, verifying their existence in the firstly mentioned manner by trying to deny it... :confused: Talk about win some lose some...

UT

[Flash]

Yes, so I am addressing it to stay ahead of a rapidly moving situation. I know how radical that statement is, but I am not alone and I think it pivotal to 'get' it. Some of these possessions are generational now and it is sinking into the DNA coding. Probably hiding a traceable footprint in the 'junk DNA'. The stuff 'scientists are clueless about so they call it junk, like their science,lol.

What do you think of the Russian research on junk dna (http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/dna1.html)? That it is actually where language comes from (http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm) and is utilized and not really somnolent? Laura KJ and the research they speak of equate the OPs to almost 50% of the population. Another race. They say that it is the difference between the christian "wheat and the tares" prophecy. They also evoke Gurdjieff and Ouspensky in corroboration.

There is evidence that those who are capable of "spirit possession" may also have the same dna type as those we consider to be Illuminati and capable of being accessed extra-dimensionally by ultra-dimensional entities. This might include priests and priestesses of indigenous religions who are "born" to be seers and shamans What do you think of that?

Think of it? You are singing my song, brother. My whole bit about DNA, junk DNA and generational predisposition are ways of saying the same basic thing.

As far as the language structure they found in the junk DNA I totally believe/know that. I have been talking to my DNA for some years now, so when they came out with that I said to myself, "it's about time". The language is in the regular DNA as well. The huge portions of the 'junk' made seeing the patterns easier. The 'language' they are seeing in the 'junk' is more like the library of Alexandria in our coding. Our personal 'activated' default setting DNA operating system has much less information and is in the micro version of the language. The 'junk' DNA is a macro form. Same syntax just more easily observable. Solar system, atomic system analogy.

Many thanks to both of you, you both have given cues to work on to resolve my daughter language difficulties or difficulties with language. Talking to her DNA, what a bright idea, the language structure has been damaged at this level I bet, within the junk DNA (nothing shows in the known DNA). On the other hand, because of language structure that is different, I always tought that she as harder to program for PTBs of this world. Maybe be she has to have these different language structure from the rest of us....

Well, interesting path. I will see what I do with it. What are the result that you have seen on yourself Modwiz?

[DNA]

I was reading Duncan O'Finioan's blog today and came across something he said that really struck a chord with me. To paraphrase, "Off planet real body entities bleed, cut and can be killed like anybody else. It is the 4th dimensional entities that scare the crap out of me". I put this out there to try and keep a focus on the real problem, entities masquerading as humans. Ones whose native environment has no 3-D existence. It is very easy for us to get lost if we do not use our focus to quiet the 'whispers' that will come with this territory. Don Juan says it comes with being human. Although I am still working with whether the Fliers and Archons are the same problem. It could be a matter of perceptions and language obfuscating the same issue though. Minding our minds does seem to be the first order of personal psychic hygiene to attend to here.

Intriguing synchronicity considering we have like three or four threads floating this topic right now. Especially that he specifically states the fliers/archon thing and Castaneda. I posed the same question a few posts ago to Rahkyt. I think their are many similiarities between the archons and fliers, but I don't know for sure if they are the same thing or not.

[ponda]

Ultima Thule said:

I´ve read several of Castanedas books years ago, but these fliers I´ve either missed or forgotten completely.
The basic setup is that the fliers are independent entities that have come from somewhere and you can protect yourself from them by stillness of mind(or approximately so)?


My understanding of the flyers/parasites is that not all thoughts,ideas,suggestions,urges etc that come into ones mind are your own.The human mind finds it very difficult to know when a thought is its own or from an outsider/flyer.Our minds have become desensitized to the subtle nuances and suggestions of the flyers.The trick is to study each thought carefully but never completely buy it.Yes stillness of mind and awareness might be our greatest defence

[modwiz]

Yes, so I am addressing it to stay ahead of a rapidly moving situation. I know how radical that statement is, but I am not alone and I think it pivotal to 'get' it. Some of these possessions are generational now and it is sinking into the DNA coding. Probably hiding a traceable footprint in the 'junk DNA'. The stuff 'scientists are clueless about so they call it junk, like their science,lol.

What do you think of the Russian research on junk dna (http://www.soulsofdistortion.nl/dna1.html)? That it is actually where language comes from (http://www.rexresearch.com/gajarev/gajarev.htm) and is utilized and not really somnolent? Laura KJ and the research they speak of equate the OPs to almost 50% of the population. Another race. They say that it is the difference between the christian "wheat and the tares" prophecy. They also evoke Gurdjieff and Ouspensky in corroboration.

There is evidence that those who are capable of "spirit possession" may also have the same dna type as those we consider to be Illuminati and capable of being accessed extra-dimensionally by ultra-dimensional entities. This might include priests and priestesses of indigenous religions who are "born" to be seers and shamans What do you think of that?

Think of it? You are singing my song, brother. My whole bit about DNA, junk DNA and generational predisposition are ways of saying the same basic thing.

As far as the language structure they found in the junk DNA I totally believe/know that. I have been talking to my DNA for some years now, so when they came out with that I said to myself, "it's about time". The language is in the regular DNA as well. The huge portions of the 'junk' made seeing the patterns easier. The 'language' they are seeing in the 'junk' is more like the library of Alexandria in our coding. Our personal 'activated' default setting DNA operating system has much less information and is in the micro version of the language. The 'junk' DNA is a macro form. Same syntax just more easily observable. Solar system, atomic system analogy.

Many thanks to both of you, you both have given cues to work on to resolve my daughter language difficulties or difficulties with language. Talking to her DNA, what a bright idea, the language structure has been damaged at this level I bet, within the junk DNA (nothing shows in the known DNA). On the other hand, because of language structure that is different, I always tought that she as harder to program for PTBs of this world. Maybe be she has to have these different language structure from the rest of us....

Well, interesting path. I will see what I do with it. What are the result that you have seen on yourself Modwiz?

Reduced aging and an immune system that resists everything. Only running myself down can get me ill. So=called communicable 'bugs' are a non issue for me. The seasonal community I work in, for six months at a time, has a few illness pass through every season and although I avoid no one I am never affected. I never avoid people with colds or 'bugs'. In 21 years I have been ill 4 times and each one corresponded to a 'bad' time with myself and not exposure to anyone or thing. Only one actually made me need to rest. The other three were walk around, feeling crappy kind of things.

Being healthy and feeling ageless are the conversations I have with DNA. I also need very little food. My DNA did that on its own to make any 'transitions' easier. It is also a way to even greater vitality, so the one feeds the other two goals of mine.

[jorr lundstrom]

http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/

The active side of infinity is about the fliers. At the bottom of this site.

MP 3 #15+16 are audios about the fliers. LOL

[percival tyro]

I have only just joined the thread Maybe I should read more before I ask questions but anyway here goes....Do the arcons affect our sleeping minds, or are they only able to feed from our waking consciousness.....Are they dependent upon humanity. What or where would they be if we didn't exist. Are they by products of humanity. Is there some sort of symbiosis at play here or is it one way traffic. When we let go of our ego do they lose touch of the conduit for their sustenance and existence. Do they only prey upon our low vibrations. eg. Victims, lack of love, fear, anger, etc.

[mountain_jim]

I am appreciating the discussion here. It was in one of Hancock's books I learned of the linguistics in 'junk' dna.

I have read all of the Castaneda books (starting in 72) listed on the link above except The Active Side of Infinity. I guess I missed that one coming out, but will now certainly plan to read his final work and preparation for passing over.

Yesterday I was reading up on Lash, Gnosticism, etc., an area I was not very knowledgable of.

Thanks all!

[ponda]

I have only just joined the thread Maybe I should read more before I ask questions but anyway here goes....Do the arcons affect our sleeping minds, or are they only able to feed from our waking consciousness.....Are they dependent upon humanity. What or where would they be if we didn't exist. Are they by products of humanity. Is there some sort of symbiosis at play here or is it one way traffic. When we let go of our ego do they lose touch of the conduit for their sustenance and existence. Do they only prey upon our low vibrations. eg. Victims, lack of love, fear, anger, etc. After enjoying much self esteem we often end up under a "cloud" that drains us.


Some have suggested that there was a presence in the solar system long before there was any actual biological life.This might imply that at some level this presence might get sustenance from heat or radiation or light etc.This presence might attain extra sustenance from biological/energetic life forms or has evolved so as to do so.There probably is a consciousness aspect to this presence so it may be able to interplay with the dream/sleeping state of conscious beings.They may well be able to still harness our energy etc even when we are aware of their presence but having awareness of them might lessen their control/influence on us.We might loosen the shackles so to speak.

[ponda]

I am appreciating the discussion here. It was in one of Hancock's books I learned of the linguistics in 'junk' dna.

I have read all of the Castaneda books (starting in 72) listed on the link above except The Active Side of Infinity. I guess I missed that one coming out, but will now certainly plan to read his final work and preparation for passing over.

Yesterday I was reading up on Lash, Gnosticism, etc., an area I was not very knowledgable of.

Thanks all!

There's a few good interviews of John Lash at this link: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32202-How-the-Draconians-try-to-kill-the-luminous-child/page2

[johnf]

I remember in some of the earlier Casteneda books there was a lot of talk about inorganic beings. Also the goal of all this sorcery was for the initiate to move his assemblage point throughout his feild gaining enough energy to be able to drop the human form. Another term for the human energy feild was luminous egg. At one point the human being was consumed by the fire from within and became an inorganic being itself. In the wider feild of the new age there are people who have inner guides, some of these might be legitimate inorganics of a very high level that are not parasitic, but I wonder how many are not. I had a one time encounter with the ascended master Serapis, and it did not speak to me or show up in human form, it just moved over me and did some sort of cleansing on my feild then left. I don't really know one way or other how to characterize this being, I had another experience in an aura cleansing and grounding course i attended, where I was told to send roots down into the earth, and as I did I could see energy wise a very wide area of the planet, and sense these enormous whale size oval shapes swimming through the earth towards me ans I could feel my perceptions and emotions shut down. Ever since that experience I have felt an enormous amount of high density energy kick in when ever i tried any sort of solitary spiritual practice.
I would be interested in suggestions on ways to get beyond this. It feels like i unkowingly walked into something over my head. And I suspect it has to do with a planet wide invasion of the human species and earth long ago such as Don Jaun describes. When I shared my perceptions with the teacher, her reply was she had no idea what that might be, but that it might have to do with some bigger work. At that point I had the strongest feeling of the hair raising on the back of my neck I have ever experienced, and that usually means thatwhatever was just said was very important, usually a big piece of truth was spoken. I have since come to the conclusion that we all can access this planetwide trauma, and present condition of invasion and repel, or cure the invasion. It would be interesting to see if anyone else has experienced anything similar to this.

[ponda]

Very interesting johnf.

About three years ago i had an interesting experience.I was sitting down reading something on the computer when it occurred.At that time when i looked up from the computer i could look out of the glass doors and see the vacant lot next door.I was on the second floor so i was looking down onto the lot.Anyway on this particular day i was reading away when in my peripheral vision i seen a large circular object that was of white or milkish color slowly move through the vacant lot.This object was about two meters in diameter.It moved slowly past my field of vision and when i looked up and directly at it it disappeared.

Another time i looked up one day from the computer and the entire landscape was overlaid with a lime green grid pattern that stretched off into the distance.This scene only lasted a couple off seconds then the grid pattern vanished.

I think that sometimes we are given unusual experiences so as to help open our eyes and minds a bit.A type of gentle nudge and sometimes not so gentle

[Mark]

Great discussion, vibrant, great points. I think, at the point of understanding that seems to be indicated by the level of conversation here, a few things can be stated:

1) there is an energetic presence that is dominating the earth.

2) that presence is herding humans and consuming them.

3) that presence has preferred vehicles and is not interested in allowing any of its prey to get free.

4) there is a way beyond that is up to the individual to find.

Those unusual experiences, being able to sense otherworldly entities, going within and dealing with one's own internal dialogue and fears seem to be common to all spiritual and mental doctrines that seek to 'elevate" humanity on an individual basis. There seems to be no way for a collective human body to escape the trap. It has to be done person by person. Escaping the system. A matrix.

It all boils down to, again, personal work and experience, subjective and perhaps seeming a little crazy to others. It's no wonder those who seem to be the furthest out there eventually disappear as their inner explorations divorce them further and further from mainstream humanity.

[jorr lundstrom]

There is a movie, The.Adjustment.Bureau.2011. After a book by Philip K Dick

This movie shows wot it takes to get pass the archons in a nice way. LOL

If you can download it or something, its worth it. I used Pirate Bay. LOL

[DNA]

I´ve read several of Castanedas books years ago, but these fliers I´ve either missed or forgotten completely.
They were not introduced until his last book which was published in 1998 I do believe.

Reading this passage was a bit like Neo being given the explanation for the nature of his reality. I was about to pop when I read Castaneda saying this stuff. I literally put the book down and walked in circles trying to come to grips.

The book reading came just a month after I had seen the matrix movie like six times at the movie theater. And for the past few years I had been reading Lovecraft stories for leasure and Gnostic scriptures describing a parastic god named Yaldaboath.





My understanding of the flyers/parasites is that not all thoughts,ideas,suggestions,urges etc that come into ones mind are your own.The human mind finds it very difficult to know when a thought is its own or from an outsider/flyer.Our minds have become desensitized to the subtle nuances and suggestions of the flyers.The trick is to study each thought carefully but never completely buy it.Yes stillness of mind and awareness might be our greatest defence

Very well stated Ponda. This is the key



I have only just joined the thread Maybe I should read more before I ask questions but anyway here goes....Do the arcons affect our sleeping minds, or are they only able to feed from our waking consciousness.....Are they dependent upon humanity. What or where would they be if we didn't exist. Are they by products of humanity. Is there some sort of symbiosis at play here or is it one way traffic. When we let go of our ego do they lose touch of the conduit for their sustenance and existence. Do they only prey upon our low vibrations. eg. Victims, lack of love, fear, anger, etc.

It is my believe that ghosts feed on mankind quite a bit when folks lie in bed asleep. Some use bad dreams, some use faux love, others use sex, and still others employ the "old hag syndrome".

This is just speculation on my part, but I would think the archons affect us less during sleep, and this may be why we have such a hard time remembering. It is because we are not using the archon mind that is employed when we are waking.

Very good question about them being dependent on humanity, and asking where they would be if we didn't exist. I have no freaking idea. Excellent questions though.

I do not think they are by-products of humanity, but hey, this stuff is all conjecture on my part. Excellent questions. Some out of the box thinking. In relation to this question Val Valarian's matrix books have this cover art that could have a parrellel with the fliers. He calls it a higher self, but, it is what I have always invisioned the fliers to look like. Complete with tentacles connecting them to their energy sources. If this is indeed a flier situation,,,and we some how help to evolve it with our experiences, then who is to say it is not a by-product of man.
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b146/lorae41/strange%20stuff/coverofMatrixVbyValValerian.png

[DNA]

I remember in some of the earlier Casteneda books there was a lot of talk about inorganic beings.
Agreed. Many were called "allies". They helped the practitioner, if the practitioner was strong enough to engage and in a way subdue these creatures.
One is reminded of the ancient stories of the DJINN from "1001 Arabian Nights".


Also the goal of all this sorcery was for the initiate to move his assemblage point throughout his feild gaining enough energy to be able to drop the human form. I would think this meant one was successfull at removing the attachment to the flier.



Another term for the human energy feild was luminous egg. At one point the human being was consumed by the fire from within and became an inorganic being itself. The same thing is stated here in the Urantia book. There are many parrallels between the Urantia and Castaneda's books. For instance, what is called "intent" in the Castaneda books is called "The personal adjuster" in the urantia book, and they are the exact same thing, a mysterious force that wishes to merge with us if we are able to follow "the house rules" or universal law.
It is stated in the Urantia that if one succusfully merges with the "personal adjuster" that one burns with the fire within. Pretty cool





In the wider feild of the new age there are people who have inner guides, some of these might be legitimate inorganics of a very high level that are not parasitic, but I wonder how many are not.
This is a very interesting point you make. It may even be symbiotic. It is stated in the Castaneda books that the "allies", are electrical in nature and very long lived, but that they yearn for the human energy that is more like heat. From what I got out of the Castaneda books, the relationship with the "allies" was symbiotic in nature.



I had another experience in an aura cleansing and grounding course i attended, where I was told to send roots down into the earth, and as I did I could see energy wise a very wide area of the planet, and sense these enormous whale size oval shapes swimming through the earth towards me ans I could feel my perceptions and emotions shut down. Ever since that experience I have felt an enormous amount of high density energy kick in when ever i tried any sort of solitary spiritual practice.This is very suggestive of what Michael Harner calls the biengs he met while doing Ayuhusca in Brazil. They were whale dragons that swam through space, and they claimed that they had started all life on earth, and hid within the different life forms.

I'm sorry about your experience. If it's any consolation, I had a similiar one that has made personal journeys difficult and has curtailed my explorations as well. I have had a similiar experience here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?22614-Holographically-Projected-Human-Alien-Healers&p=243156&viewfull=1#post243156)


I would be interested in suggestions on ways to get beyond this. It feels like i unkowingly walked into something over my head. And I suspect it has to do with a planet wide invasion of the human species and earth long ago such as Don Jaun describes. I agree, again, the same thing happened to me in an experience I linked above.



When I shared my perceptions with the teacher, her reply was she had no idea what that might be, but that it might have to do with some bigger work. At that point I had the strongest feeling of the hair raising on the back of my neck I have ever experienced, and that usually means thatwhatever was just said was very important, usually a big piece of truth was spoken. I have since come to the conclusion that we all can access this planetwide trauma, and present condition of invasion and repel, or cure the invasion. It would be interesting to see if anyone else has experienced anything similar to this.

I wouldn't assume everyone is capable of this John. This are some specialized abilities, and so far as I am concerned, ussually manifest when some one has put in some considerable self knowing, and meditation time. Good luck in your travels my freind, and this was some excellent stuff you shared. Thank You.

[DNA]

Mojo just posted this video on the Parasitic Non-Organic Multidimensional Beings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?21614-Parasitic-Non-Organic-Multidimensional-Beings&p=382867&viewfull=1#post382867)thread.

Mojo went on to mention that Trevor Constable has a theory of "plasmic entities", yea, no sh!t, everything we are talking about right now.
I was totally blown away.
These big amoeba like looking things are shown just like how they are shown in the Nasa Tether incident only "in" the atmosphere.
Very cool, and very wierd.
But cooler than weird.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ez4_rOI9VQ&feature=player_embedded




Author and historian Trevor James Constable discusses his work tracking the reality of huge, invisible flying creatures and his research into weather modification.
Constable detailed his initial discovery of invisible flying creatures in the 1950's, when he was visiting contactee George Van Tassel and was, himself, "extremely sensitive." During this encounter, Constable said he could feel the disturbances in the atmosphere created by these creatures, aimed his camera at them, and photographed the oddities. He alleged that these invisible entities were later captured on ultraviolet film by NASA in the infamous 1996 video release known as the "Tether Incident." Based on this footage, Constable surmised that "the whole of outer space is just crawling with these things."

He also talked about his research into weather modification, notably creating rain using what he called "a biological form of energy which conventional scientific people have not yet been able to master." He explained that this energy source is the same form of power that Wilhelm Reich called "orgone energy." Recalling his most productive experiment with rainmaking, Constable said that he'd generated 21 inches of rain over the course of 20 hours. According to him, the energy force used in his rainmaking experiments also serves as the propulsion method for both UFOs and the invisible creatures.

"Infrared film, exposed between dawn and sunrise in high, dry locales will frequently objectify invisible objects of various kinds living in and passing through the atmosphere." [p.51]

His results were extraordinary. Not only were conventional discs and spacecraft-like forms captured on film, but amazing ameoboid entities. Commenting on these, and describing his own astonishment and surprise, Trevor Constable, in his provocative and profound autobiographical book, "The Cosmic Pulse of Life", refers to

"...the unwelcome nature of these photographs....These living creatures, these bioforms, were neither what we wanted nor what we expected. We wanted spacecraft. At that time we stood in ignorance of any biological element in UFOs....In the intervening years I have observed with interest and fascination the disquieting, disturbing effect (the photos and film) have on all persons whose approach to UFOs is mechanistic. This experience has taught me that purported scientific "objectivity" is a fiction..." [pp83-4]

[Nice1]

I just wanted to note,
many have claimed the tether can be used as a ruler for objects that appear to moving behind the tether. This is incorrect and was shown scientifically on UFO hunters how the opitcal illusion works. The demonstrated it precisely and unfortunately its a legitimate optical illusion.

Thats not to make any statement on the reality of these objects or the nature of them at all - simple that the tether cannot be used to determine the size of the objects.

I'm not a ebunker or anything in case anyone wondered. I've had my own close encounters ;-) but I'm a truth seeker also.

[DNA]

I just wanted to note,
many have claimed the tether can be used as a ruler for objects that appear to moving behind the tether. This is incorrect and was shown scientifically on UFO hunters how the opitcal illusion works. The demonstrated it precisely and unfortunately its a legitimate optical illusion.

Thats not to make any statement on the reality of these objects or the nature of them at all - simple that the tether cannot be used to determine the size of the objects.

I'm not a ebunker or anything in case anyone wondered. I've had my own close encounters ;-) but I'm a truth seeker also.

I saw the episode. And it was only as scientific as one could be when replacing a fifty foot tether with a two foot string and replacing the vastness of outerspace with a darkroom. Also, the man performoring the experiment looked like he just graduated Nasa's school for debunkers.

It should be noted that many pictures are referenced on this thread that have nothing to do with the actual tether incident itself.
Remember, disbelief is really a form of belief the PTB use and take advantage of, to persuade us to stop trying our efforts in pulling back the blinds that keep the truth hidden from us.

Watch the video I just posted here that I give Mojo credit for. Take care

[truth4me]

Archons= Greys and Reptilians,what else is new?

[Mark]

Archons= Greys and Reptilians,what else is new?

Not necessarily, so a lot may actually be new, but really, quite old.

[161803398]

I am reminded of the cat halocaust in Europe. I just knew people would find some reason to go up and kill those beautiful space creatures. I'm getting sick of humanity. Man up guy and stop blaming sky fish for your faults.

We should NEVER be permitted to leave this planet.

[DNA]

I am reminded of the cat halocaust in Europe. I just knew people would find some reason to go up and kill those beautiful space creatures. I'm getting sick of humanity. Man up guy and stop blaming sky fish for your faults.

We should NEVER be permitted to leave this planet.

I think your a little out of your depth here. But, your suggestion has been noted.

And cat halocuast? And killing space creatures? Maybe I'm out of my depth. :)

[161803398]

I think your a little out of your depth here.

? I haven't a clue what you mean.

In the middle ages, the parasitic entity was the devil. Apparently the people in Europe thought that cats were agents of the devil and therefore they started crucifying them etc. Following that, they started having huge problems with rats and we all know the rest of that story. The idea was the the "devil" caused the bad thoughts etc etc.

I'm just following the logic of thinking the sky fish are parasitic entities.

[DNA]

I think your a little out of your depth here.

? I haven't a clue what you mean.

The phrase man up and stop blaming skyfish for your problems. It sounds like a denouncement of the thread.

[161803398]

The phrase man up and stop blaming skyfish for your problems. It sounds like a denouncement of the thread.

nope, I'm expressing my opinion on the person being interviewed.


It is time to expose the covert controllers of mankind. I assure you this is not speculation, a hoax, or the figment of peoples imagination. These parasitic creatures are real and they need to be dealt with immediately so mankind can evolve to the next level of existence.

[modwiz]

I think your a little out of your depth here.

? I haven't a clue what you mean.

In the middle ages, the parasitic entity was the devil. Apparently the people in Europe thought that cats were agents of the devil and therefore they started crucifying them etc. Following that, they started having huge problems with rats and we all know the rest of that story. The idea was the the "devil" caused the bad thoughts etc etc.

I'm just following the logic of thinking the sky fish are parasitic entities.

I do not think the skyfish are the Archons or parasitic entities. I believe they are another type of fauna of a very fecund galaxy. They may very well feed off of the orgone our atmosphere is glowingly loaded with. Reich's orgone machines were a form of 'chum' for them. Very innocent on the part of an atmospheric ocean feeder. They are like plankton and just part of the ecosystem. They may even be a part of atmospheric hygiene.

[DNA]

I wonder if the Guvment has ever taken a skyfish down with say, HAARP or some other exotic weoponry.
Or if Chemtrails would affect them?
Puts a whole new spin on fishin. :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Space_railgun.jpg

[161803398]

There are other life forms up there as well. The ones shown in the Nasa logo...serpentine, sort of but I've seen a picture of them flying in formation taken from a plane and they were curled up looking like birds without heads.

[modwiz]

I wonder if the Guvment has ever taken a skyfish down with say, HAARP or some other exotic weoponry.
Or if Chemtrails would affect them?
Puts a whole new spin on fishin. :)
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/19/Space_railgun.jpg

What if they were feeding on the junk that accumulates in our biosphere? A sort of white blood cell phagocyte keeping negativity in control. My comment about atmospheric hygiene was referring to that. Keeping our psychic air clean. Like bats and mosquitoes. Our gubmint would surely want
them out of the way. They might even morph and start being able to eat chemtrails.

I recently priced some night goggles. Any good ones are many hundreds of dollars with top of the line ones going into the thousands. I would love to peer into our night sky with them and have a look. My guess is the sky would be teeming with things, if they had any kind of infra-red signature.

[161803398]

The first time I saw a skyfish was a video on Rense several years ago. That was before the tether video. For some reason, it was deep red and it looked a bit like an angel hovering high in the sky over someone's back yard. But I remembered it when I saw the tether video because of the notch.

[DNA]

The first time I saw a skyfish was a video on Rense several years ago. That was before the tether video. For some reason, it was deep red and it looked a bit like an angel hovering high in the sky over someone's back yard. But I remembered it when I saw the tether video because of the notch.

It would be hella cool if you could find that video. :)

[161803398]

I was looking for it last night. I checked my old emails because I sent it to people saying it was an "angel..hehe". But I think it might have been removed. I'm still trying because it was quite beautiful and unusual as far as "UFOS" go.

[161803398]

This isn't it but I remember seeing this one around the same time. Also this one has a notch if you can see it in the video. http://www.rense.com/1.imagesC/1mb.qt

However, the red one had more of a look of a solid thing. I'll keep looking. It seems to have disappeared from youtube and rense.

Not it again but this is the page showing some photos of the above "UFO":

http://www.rense.com/general79/len.htm

[mojo]

I hope this one brings a chuckle...

Did I tell how how big the skyfish was that got away? ...:)

X9_QGAJem4M

[Snowbird]

Speaking of skyfishes...I ran across a slide show today, which I will post on another board, and one of the photos, below at the link, immediately made me think of non-organic beings. This is an ancient site that may or may not be depicting these, but......what do you think?

Visible Only From Above, Mystifying 'Nazca Lines' Discovered in Mideast

http://www.livescience.com/16046-nazca-lines-wheels-google-earth.html

[DNA]

Speaking of skyfishes...I ran across a slide show today, which I will post on another board, and one of the photos, below at the link, immediately made me think of non-organic beings. This is an ancient site that may or may not be depicting these, but......what do you think?

Visible Only From Above, Mystifying 'Nazca Lines' Discovered in Mideast

http://www.livescience.com/16046-nazca-lines-wheels-google-earth.html

Yea, that is compelling. You know when I started this thread I had no idea it was going to get this crazy. I've gone from taking this with the least seriousness possible, to actually considering it all plausible. Amazing stuff,,,thanks snowbird.

http://i.livescience.com/images/i/19969/original/Wheels--3.jpg?1316011490

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This isn't it but I remember seeing this one around the same time. Also this one has a notch if you can see it in the video. http://www.rense.com/1.imagesC/1mb.qt

However, the red one had more of a look of a solid thing. I'll keep looking. It seems to have disappeared from youtube and rense.

Not it again but this is the page showing some photos of the above "UFO":

http://www.rense.com/general79/len.htm

Good stuff here as well 161803398.

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/w4.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/w7.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/w8.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/w6.jpg

http://www.rense.com/1.imagesH/w9.jpg

[wolf_rt]

I do not think the skyfish are the Archons.

What makes you believe that? Do you believe in Casteneda's description of the archons?

[DNA]

Okay, I just want to voice this while I'm thinking about it.
What if the Gold application the Annunaki were attempting to apply to their atmosphere in Nibiru had something to do with our skyfish? Or skyfish in general, I mean this things may be very plentifull out in space and our planet may not be unique in it being a habitat for them.
What if the Gold particles were meant as a deterent from space wondering entities?

[Snowbird]

I just now found this slideshow of aerial photos of some of these ancient stone structures. The picture below is a representation of the various shapes of these. Notice the notches.

Many of these stone structures are found in lava fields in the Middle East region. What could have possibly been their purpose? They would have had to have been a type of communication with those off-Earth. It has been established that these structures can not be seen from the ground. Can we go so far as to say that the reason for this demonstration was to mark territory like a big cat or a dog currently mark their territory?


Gallery: Aerial Photos Reveal Mysterious Stone Structures

http://www.livescience.com/16045-aerial-photos-mysterious-stone-structures.html


http://i.livescience.com/images/i/19960/i02/Wheels--2.jpg

Stone Shapes
Credit: Stafford Smith
The Harrat ash-Sham lava field stretches from Syria to Saudi Arabia and contains thousands of wheels. Here, drawings reveal the various shapes these structures can take.

[modwiz]

I do not think the skyfish are the Archons.

What makes you believe that? Do you believe in Casteneda's description of the archons?

I have stated that I think the skyfish are a form of space or dimensional fauna. More like a phagocyte ( in the immune system) or ocean plankton. My sense is they are benign and feed on orgone but will eat negative energies as a form of atmospheric hygiene. Just like bottom feeders do not create the situation they feed on.

[Flash]

So Modwiz, this means they are different from Archons, Archons being the ones creating the bottom of the ocean on which these skyfish feed. Then, how can we see (or where) the archons?

[DNA]

I do not think the skyfish are the Archons.

What makes you believe that? Do you believe in Casteneda's description of the archons?

I have stated that I think the skyfish are a form of space or dimensional fauna. More like a phagocyte ( in the immune system) or ocean plankton. My sense is they are benign and feed on orgone but will eat negative energies as a form of atmospheric hygiene. Just like bottom feeders do not create the situation they feed on.

I agree there seems to be a connection to Orgone. The fact Willhiem Riech was describing something in this general area is telling, but, his imprisonment and death are telling as well. Also, and I don't know if Riech was describing skyfish or ufo's, but Riech stated discs would show up when he performed his experiements, and it was his opinion that they were malevolant. This, and the over reaction if you will by folks in the FDA or Government or whatever, leads me to think that there is something disturbing about the skyfish, and as such, it is a secret to be guarded.

Also, I think mankind must know about these things at a subconsious and collective level. As such, I feel it safe to look to fictional depictions that resonate with us for inspiration in this area.
I think HP LOVECRAFT could be referenced, and in this case, you would know that this reference would be one that would not suggest a positive relationship with these skyfish.
Another off the top of my head would be the animated movie Final Fantasy.
.
The movie explains how a planet of life, animals and fauna were extinguished, and how some of this life was transferred to earth through a meteor impact.
The back story is irrevelant in my opinion, but I find it odd that phantasmagorical life forms feed on the life of human beings with extreme prejudice in this movie.
Such examples are shown at aproximatly 4:10 into the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oMRwkXoYMg

[161803398]

The endless search for evil OUTSIDE of oneself: Somebody once told me if you build a structure and there are a few pieces missing at the base, the structure will fall....the structure is knowledge and we, as a civilization, have a few missing bricks.

[ponda]

As modwiz stated there probably is a great array of different life forms all around us that can't normally be seen by us.There are some interesting photo's at these links that were taken at some kind of vortex that is located somewhere in the US.Just click on the image to get an enlargement


orbs,light slugs,light rods,ghostlike images,aliens,probes and misc others

http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=50
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=32
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=93
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=102
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=3
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=130
http://blog.sargel18.com/?page_id=76
http://blog.sargel18.com/?cat=6

and seeing as though it is Christmas Day there is supposedly even one of JC himself

http://blog.sargel18.com/?p=794

[DNA]

Hi Ponda, I agree with you and Modwiz. I certainly don't think we are coming to conclusians here, I think we are sharing some ideas that just lead to more questions.
And oh yea, there is a whole slew of stuff out there that defies explanation in terms of life forms on this planet. I'm a big fan of "hunt for the skinwalker" by Knapp and "Mothman" by Keel.
Heck, check out these two videos, seemingly completely unrelated as far as the photographers and as far as location is concerned. But showing the same phenomenon. Strange walking creatures, some refer to as stick men.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHsEr_9IIVM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=emyQepHlC4w

[ponda]

Yeah i've seen those before.VERY interesting indeed.It makes you wonder just how much stuff is going on all around us that we can't see

cheers

[DNA]

The endless search for evil OUTSIDE of oneself: .

I don't know what this is in reference to, but as for myself, I'm not personally looking for evil or some machovalian mechanism.
I am acknowledging that we live in a predatory universe.
And a lot of folks don't realize this, but parastism out numbers free range living life forms on this planet by a ratio of 3 to 1.

And as cliche as this may be "as above, so below".

[161803398]

well, its in reference to the Archons. Parasites aren't acutally evil...just trying to survive. The Archons, if they exist, are supposed to be evil entities that influence our behavior in a negative way.

Here's an interesting story with some pictures.

http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/atmosphericlifeforms.htm

and more pictures of space fish:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/burlingtonufoupdate2.html

(note: consciousness on the level of fish)

Im not saying there are no parasitic entities that might influence our behavior. I don't know whether there are or there aren't. What I am saying is people would do well to look to themselves first. History has shown that people rarely do that. In fact, its one of the reasons we are in our present mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYMKR620i30

[Snowbird]

Even James Gilliland briefly discusses these creatures in his latest vid, below that Calz posted on another thread,at around 19:30. Maybe he's been reading this thread. :happy:


xsw9JiTzPBw

[Snowbird]

well, its in reference to the Archons. Parasites aren't acutally evil...just trying to survive. The Archons, if they exist, are supposed to be evil entities that influence our behavior in a negative way.

Here's an interesting story with some pictures.

http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/atmosphericlifeforms.htm

and more pictures of space fish:

http://www.burlingtonnews.net/burlingtonufoupdate2.html

(note: consciousness on the level of fish)

Im not saying there are no parasitic entities that might influence our behavior. I don't know whether there are or there aren't. What I am saying is people would do well to look to themselves first. History has shown that people rarely do that. In fact, its one of the reasons we are in our present mess.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYMKR620i30

Thanks for this information. The 'atmospheric life forms' article is fascinating. The pictures under the cell phone article appear as though that being is giving birth. That's what it looks like. :faint:

[Snowbird]

I'm posting this page here as reference material. This one page is filled with really great information about the Archons. This page includes the Alfred Webre interview of Robt. Stanley and Laura Eisenhower plus at the bottom, the Coast to Coast interview of Robt. Stanley. John Lash defines Archons.

Archons - Exorcising Hidden Controllers With Robert Stanley and Laura Eisenhower

by Alfred Lambremont Webre

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vida_alien/alien_archons16.htm

[Hughe]

I think those amoeba beings in the air mentioned by Robert Stanley are pets of negative beings. It dose not make sense advanced ETs like reptiles or greys are under the control of such beings. A traditional hunter usually have dogs around.

Primitive humans can watch them in infrared camera. We know they are floating in the air. I want to know it can be destroyed by physical means: shooting laser beam or electromagnetic waves or chemicals towards them. If those are really interdimensional, they will disappear and come back.

[DNA]

I think those amoeba beings in the air mentioned by Robert Stanley are pets of negative beings. It dose not make sense advanced ETs like reptiles or greys are under the control of such beings. A traditional hunter usually have dogs around.
You know it is all safe under the umbrella of conjecture. It very well could be.


Primitive humans can watch them in infrared camera. We know they are floating in the air. I want to know it can be destroyed by physical means: shooting laser beam or electromagnetic waves or chemicals towards them. If those are really interdimensional, they will disappear and come back.
It's funny you should ask that. Me and Modwiz were discussing that very same possibility earlier.
I had begged the question "could chemtrails be some form of governmental attempt at fighting these things?"
I also asked the question " could the Annunaki's application of atmospheric gold have been an attempt to disrupt these atmospheric amoebas".
Good stuff, this whole line of thinking is very new for me. :)

[christian]

Duncan O'Finioan just wrote a blog post concerning the article mentioned in the original post here.
In it, he describes how those parasitic beings manipulate the human psyche:



Have you ever found yourself in a black mood for seemingly no reason? That little incident — that car that cut you off, something that sales clerk said — starts out small and then powers itself to gargantuan proportions in your mind so that after awhile you are seething and practically pawing the ground like a bull about to charge?

The more you think about it, whatever “it” is, the more angry you get. Not only that, but the more justified you feel in your anger. Or maybe it’s a worry — a little speck of doubt or concern, which transforms itself from molehill to mountain in the blink of an eye. You get the picture.

There are times when anger and concern are justified. But there are also times when something or some things psychically attack you and basically pump a cocktail of negative emotion-magnifying juice into your system. One of the greatest tricks is that they convince you that what you are feeling are your own feelings, and not your own feelings artificially magnified by a thousand, two thousand, or ten thousand.

He then links to an interview of Robert Stanley, who wrote the skyfish article, with George Noory on C2C:

(skip to 11:00)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGnVOTo0Uw0

He also links to a quite lengthy article about the nature of these amoebae beings: http://karlshuker.blogspot.com/2011/12/sky-beasts-not-space-craft-unmasking.html

Duncan's solution to this issue is as follows, also taken from his blog post:



So, what do we do when we are confronted with the knowledge that there is something trying to manipulate our emotions and feed on our negativity? One of the hardest things to do is to realize it’s happening in the first place. So often we think that these feelings are coming from us, because they feel so real and so strong. It takes a lot of distance, objectivity, and strength to realize that you have been fooled and are now providing a tasty snack from some uber-blob.

According to Castaneda, the solution lies in restructuring your energy and not allowing them in. By meting challenges and worries with serenity and a quiet mind. When you have doubts, pierce the darkness and let the light in. He says that if you do this enough, eventually you can re-build the slip of energy that covers us in entirety as children and that we lose most of when we become adults. If you can do this, they will go elsewhere to feed.

Here's the link to the full article: http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/amoebae-feasting-on-our-negativity/

[another bob]

According to Castaneda, the solution lies in restructuring your energy and not allowing them in. By meting challenges and worries with serenity and a quiet mind.


"The grand trick of those sorcerers of ancient times was to burden the flyers' mind with discipline. Sorcerers found out that if they taxed the flyers' mind with inner silence, the foreign installation would flee, and give any one of the practitioners involved in this maneuver the total certainty of the mind's foreign origin." ~Don Juan


"Whatever happens in consciousness is purely imaginary, a hallucination. Therefore keep in mind the knowledge that it is consciousness in which everything is happening. With that knowledge, be still, do not pursue any other thoughts which arise in consciousness."
~Sri Nisargadatta


The two quotes above coincide in describing the method of liberation, but it is not a path most will undertake, because of the tremendous discipline involved. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that, out of millions, only a few will seek for the truth, and out of those who do, only a few will realize. Even given these slim odds, however, what is the alternative? To be a slave? If one is earnest enough in their desire for freedom, they will do what it takes, even unto death. In fact, it's precisely that death that the mystics and realizers throughout the centuries have spoken of as the price of admission -- to die to the mind.


Question: "It is said that the Self is beyond the mind and yet the realisation is with the mind. The mind cannot think it. It cannot be thought of by the mind and the mind alone can realise it. How are these contradictions to be reconciled?"

Ramana Maharshi: "Self is realised with mrita manas (dead mind), that is, mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own source and becomes that."

:yo:

[modwiz]

According to Castaneda, the solution lies in restructuring your energy and not allowing them in. By meting challenges and worries with serenity and a quiet mind.






The two quotes above coincide in describing the method of liberation, but it is not a path most will undertake, because of the tremendous discipline involved. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that, out of millions, only a few will seek for the truth, and out of those who do, only a few will realize. Even given these slim odds, however, what is the alternative? To be a slave?



I believe Krishna was simply telling the truth of the situation. It is not a matter of ability, but of will and desire to truly attain the prize. So. I am not disheartened, personally, by the odds that Sri Krishna states. There is no alternative for me. I am aware of them, but my choice is to attain my goal. Choice, the great gift and power of us. It alone can prevent all evil in the World. Too many choose poorly. From one point of view, of course.

[another bob]

Choice, the great gift and power of us. It alone can prevent all evil in the World. Too many choose poorly. From one point of view, of course.

Yes, and the reason for poor choices, imho, is ignorance. It might be true that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink, but at least you can make them aware that there is water in the first place. That's what places like this are good for -- to provide folks with choices. I'm grateful for all those who have made the effort to point us towards the water, and make us aware that there are choices. The rest is up to us.

:yo:

[greybeard]

The two quotes above coincide in describing the method of liberation, but it is not a path most will undertake, because of the tremendous discipline involved. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that, out of millions, only a few will seek for the truth, and out of those who do, only a few will realize. Even given these slim odds, however, what is the alternative? To be a slave?

[/QUOTE]

I believe Krishna was simply telling the truth of the situation. It is not a matter of ability, but of will and desire to truly attain the prize. So. I am not disheartened, personally, by the odds that Sri Krishna states. There is no alternative for me. I am aware of them, but my choice is to attain my goal. Choice, the great gift and power of us. It alone can prevent all evil in the World. Too many choose poorly. From one point of view, of course.[/QUOTE]


Yes Modwiz I agree with your point of view and for myself there is no longer any choice.
A magnificent obsession--- Divine madness ( thought its quietly progressing now)

The good news is that Dr David Hawkins says that the chances of the state called enlightenment occurring are 1000 times greater than at any previous time.
AND every times this happens it clears the path, makes it easier for the next.
We collectively are maturing spiritually.
Best wishes on your path
Chris

[jorr lundstrom]

anothet bob wrote:

Ramana Maharshi: "Self is realised with mrita manas (dead mind), that is, mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own source and becomes that."


Thank you Bob for this hint. I found this state quite strange. Ive called this "collapse
of mind as such" ( but I really saw it as my connection to that mind collapsing)
and finding my own mind. I didnt know Ramana had described this condition. :)


Jorr

[another bob]

anothet bob wrote:

Ramana Maharshi: "Self is realised with mrita manas (dead mind), that is, mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own source and becomes that."


Thank you Bob for this hint. I found this state quite strange. Ive called this "collapse
of mind as such" ( but I really saw it as my connection to that mind collapsing)
and finding my own mind. I didnt know Ramana had described this condition. :)


Jorr

Jorr, how nice to see your name pop up again!

Blessings!

:yo:

[WhiteFeather]

anothet bob wrote:

Ramana Maharshi: "Self is realised with mrita manas (dead mind), that is, mind devoid of thoughts and turned inward. Then the mind sees its own source and becomes that."


Thank you Bob for this hint. I found this state quite strange. Ive called this "collapse
of mind as such" ( but I really saw it as my connection to that mind collapsing)
and finding my own mind. I didnt know Ramana had described this condition. :)


Jorr

Good to see you back.

[DNA]

According to Castaneda, the solution lies in restructuring your energy and not allowing them in. By meting challenges and worries with serenity and a quiet mind.
The two quotes above coincide in describing the method of liberation, but it is not a path most will undertake, because of the tremendous discipline involved. In the Bhagavad Gita, Krishna told Arjuna that, out of millions, only a few will seek for the truth, and out of those who do, only a few will realize. Even given these slim odds, however, what is the alternative? To be a slave?



I believe Krishna was simply telling the truth of the situation. It is not a matter of ability, but of will and desire to truly attain the prize. So. I am not disheartened, personally, by the odds that Sri Krishna states. There is no alternative for me. I am aware of them, but my choice is to attain my goal. Choice, the great gift and power of us. It alone can prevent all evil in the World. Too many choose poorly. From one point of view, of course.



I can dig it AB and Mod, my question is this, how does reincarnation play into it?
Do these mudshadows factor into the role our souls knew they were going to incarnate into? Do the characteristics of the mudshadow's foreign mind factor into karma?
These things I wonder about.

And what about the mudshadows themselves. Are they incarnating beings with souls? Are they incurring karma themselves? Do they have any choice in this matter of acting as the foreign installation if you will?

[mind-scape]

This has been a very educational thread.
Thank you everyone.

[another bob]

I can dig it AB and Mod, my question is this, how does reincarnation play into it?
Do these mudshadows factor into the role our souls knew they were going to incarnate into? Do the characteristics of the mudshadow's foreign mind factor into karma?
These things I wonder about.

And what about the mudshadows themselves. Are they incarnating beings with souls? Are they incurring karma themselves? Do they have any choice in this matter of acting as the foreign installation if you will?

Hello DNA!

If I can take a bit of a radical position here, the concepts you are asking about (reincarnation, souls, karma) are themselves forms of the hallucination. They are based on the belief in a person with a past and a future that arises in consciousness, and so are themselves unreal. The truth is the truth and truth is what's real. The only reality free of delusions. It is not dependent on any concept or belief whatsoever. Nothing need be taken on faith. If it is a concept or a belief it is not true. It is not reality. The truth dispells delusion - lies - whether it is archons behind those delusions or not. The only important thing is dispelling the delusion. Finding the freedom that truth grants. This is why liberation is so damn difficult -- the belief in the very one seeking liberation is the main obstacle to its realization.

:yo:

[DNA]

Wow,,,I have to say this thread is just freaking awesome. I was rereading it today, and some of the dialogue and interplay folks are having in here is truly outstanding. And some excellent video and interview material shared.

I was just reading Val Valerians Matrix 1, written way back in 1987, the guy was so ahead of his time. Bill has posted a link to a free PDF of this here. Val Valerian's Matrix Books 1-5 (http://projectavalon.net/Valdemar_Valerian_Matrix_I-IV.zip)

In it he states



Abduction of human beings is being performed by many different species. Among these species are three distinct members of the species loosely referred to as the "greys".

Gray species 1 existas in between the physical world of Eath and the non-physical. It is a species that appears to be on a devoluting spiral. They do not come here in physical machines as to the other two grey species.

Grey Species 1 has the ability to manipulate the human mental field as well as the ability to travel outside our subjective linear time track.

Grey Specieas 1 had a major role in programming human religious concepts, for this plays a primary role in their maintenance of positin within the dimension they exist in. It is the energy they extract for the human that provides them with the ability to remain in close proximity to our density level.

Grey Species 2 are the Zeti Reticulans.

Grey Species 3 is a scientifically based society that fuction to stufy other life forms. They have had a part to play in alteration of human gentics over thousands of years. They seek to cross-breed with humans to create a mixture-race that will be better than either.


I find this an amazing entry, the entry is much longer, but I'm not really wanting to type anymore of it. It goes to show that way back in the 80s before the John Lash Gnostic stuff, some one had the inside track on what was going on with all of this. I personally have always thought it was never a case of one or the other, but rather a convuluted mix of more posibilities than we can shake a stick at.

For the record, I think Species 1 to be the archons we think of, and that the gnostics talked about, the Betty and Barny Hill thing would obviously be the second group, and the Jim Sparks abductions would be the third group.

[DNA]

If any of you folks are interested in correlating Archons and Carlos Castaneda's Inorganic Beings you will probably enjoy this thread.
This article below is amazing and correlates quite well with this thread.


Sea plankton discovered outside space station (http://www.grindtv.com/outdoor/nature/post/sea-plankton-discovered-outside-space-station/)

Russian scientists conducting experiments on the outside surface of the International Space State made a puzzling discovery, one made all the more remarkable because it’s something that whales eat.

Samples taken from illuminators and the surface of the space station were found to have traces of sea plankton and other microorganisms, but scientists are baffled as to how they got there, the Russian chief of the orbital mission told the ITAR-TASS News Agency.

“Results of the experiment are absolutely unique,” chief of the Russian ISS orbital mission Vladimir Solovyev told ITAR-TASS. “We have found traces of sea plankton and microscopic particles on the illuminator surface. This should be studied further.”

The study shows that the sea plankton and organisms can live in space despite lack of oxygen, zero gravity, extreme temperatures, and cosmic radiation, and they proved these organisms can even develop.

More from Will Stewart in Moscow for the U.K. Express:

The news agency reported that Mr. Solovyev was uncertain “how these microscopic particles could have appeared on the surface of the space station,” adding that the organisms were not typical for Baikonur in Kazakhstan, from where the space station lifted off.

“Plankton in these stages of development could be found on the surface of the oceans.

“This is not typical for Baikonur. It means that there are some uplifting air currents which reach the station and settle on its surface,” he was quoted as saying.
The discovery was made using high-precision equipment in the experiment, apparently prompted during an operation to clean and polish the International Space Station, the Express reported.

As Solovyev said, this should be studied further.

[shaberon]

This is perhaps worth a bump; I've never formed a conclusion over the tether incident. I noticed that Wikipedia for STS-75 makes no mention of it.

I looked for any updates about the plankton on the ISS, and there's nothing. Also possible the Russians keep it to themselves. When I learned how to use a spectroscope, I had to identify a common element, which I believe was sodium. What I saw in the scope perfectly matched what it should be, but there was an extra line. So I beat myself up by repeating the observation many times, abandoned my textbook and dug around in the library for hours. Just happened to have a Russian book from like the 1960s, and there was the only match for the extra line I saw.

I've never been able to persuade myself that the tether swarm was some dust particles. It does seem likely that things like those and Mr. Constable's "critters" are simply some weird bio-forms. Slightly different than any astral "parasites" of humans, which I agree with the posts that the best defense is discipline. Archons are a more insidious thing, more or less the shadows of the planetary spirits; these and certain elementals can affect people in a profoundly mental way, but again, basically by way of invitation.

I only find "evil" in humans, yet the varieties of elementals and perhaps unknown germ, plasma feeding, or other types of physical creatures must amount to millions.

[DNA]

I've never been able to persuade myself that the tether swarm was some dust particles. It does seem likely that things like those and Mr. Constable's "critters" are simply some weird bio-forms. Slightly different than any astral "parasites" of humans, which I agree with the posts that the best defense is discipline.


There are some amazing contributions on this thread, it really is worth the read. Feel free to ask questions I'll jump in and help where I can.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8_ozoDNOBw
M8_ozoDNOBw
Crrow777 has filmed these with his telescope in my opinion.


Here is a picture taken by a professional photographer working with Wilheim Riech, it is quite amazing if real.
There is a story that goes with it, apparently this being was seen by all who were in attendance. Reich was using an orgone contraption of some kind designed to attract the entity, and was so convinced it would show up that he had hired the well known professional photographer to take a picture if the thing should show up. It apparently did.
I would love for an experiment like this to be performed at say Skinwalker Ranch, just imagine the sh!t that would show up...
Especially if you had photographers using various specialized photography methods.


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/47/b0/f847b056e5a53ee7e6c9d0ea3b5937bd.jpg





Willheim Reich suspected invisible creatures lived in the sky. In 1953 Reich enlisted the help of a photographer named Norman Leisting. Reich had Leisting's assistant raise an orgone charged rod into the air in hopes of attracting one of the invisible beings he believed existed. Within 5 seconds, a huge jelly fist like being attached itself to the rod. Becoming visible long enough for Leisting to capture it in a photograph. The screams and panic from Leisting's now running assistant are said to have caused the jelly fist to dissapear. Supposedly 12 additional people witnessed the spectacle. Reich & Leisting were so unnerved by the experiment they were said to have refused to discuss it. Leisting referred to Reich as "The devil himself" later in life.

[shaberon]

Hrm. Are you aware that if you google this photographer, that this forum is the only place he exists? As "Leistig", he is on a few other blog type things, but otherwise...a missing professional. I remember those pictures, and they do seem, an awful lot like jellyfish. So I am not sure if this is something Reich, himself actually said, or if it's been tacked onto him.

The "tether", however, was twelve miles long. It is pretty hard for an untrained person to estimate depth of field, focal point, and that kind of stuff; I wouldn't be much good at it. Also, cameras based on electronic sensors do have a tendency to not react quickly when a moving object passes something else, so what's in front could appear behind, or vice-versa. Despite those points, it still seems that the "disks" seen with the tether were at various distances and trajectories, making it harder to dismiss as aberrations or dust.

As I mentioned about the Brown Mountain Lights, those have been found to appear in the infra-red a few seconds before and after them being visible. I don't know if those are "bio" or "geo" or what they really could be. But as with *most* observations of things that blink into visibility, they're luminous. Almost nothing else resembles the "jelllyfish" description of something being totally invisible, and then manifesting an ordinary appearance and blinking out again. The "tether disks" were always ordinarily visible.

So I'm not sure if I really have questions, as much as I'm panning for updates or verification. Maybe those things zipping by the moon could be taken as "tether disks part 2".

[DNA]

Hrm. Are you aware that if you google this photographer, that this forum is the only place he exists? Here is a little something found here. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/453104412482156093/


And this was found here. https://maeclair.net/2014/12/22/mythical-monday-airborne-jellyfish-by-mae-clair/

What interests me is an experiment he supposedly conducted in 1953 with the help of photographer Norman Leistig. Reich had Leistig’s assistant raise an “orgone-charged” rod into the air in the hopes of attracting one of the invisible beings he believed existed. Within five seconds a huge jellyfish-like creature attached itself to the rod, becoming visible long enough for Leistig to capture it in a photograph. But the terrified screams of Leistig’s assistant so repulsed the manifestation it faded from sight.
Supposedly, twelve additional people witnessed the spectacle.

Well I'm probably the person who put it on this forum, and I can assure you I didn't make his name up there has to be more info out there on him.
As such it has to be out there somewhere, but as a sidenote while looking I found some more rather intriguing jellyfish ufo pics on pentirist I just put UFO Jellyfish into the search parameter.


Jellyfish UFO Over Mexico With Long Tentacles On March 2013" https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/8c/cc/c8/8cccc821511c0d040fe0ce21b3159ffb.jpg


The Viborg Jellyfish


http://forgetomori.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/viborgjutlanddenmark17ner4.jpg (http://forgetomori.com/2007/ufos/ufo-photos-viborg-jellyfish/)


This rainbow like jellyfish below is pretty crazy.

There’s not often a moment when we’re left utterly stumped but this is one of them.

Dutch photographer Harry Perton was out wandering around sundown taking pictures when he suddenly noticed a flash through his eyepiece.

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At first thinking it might have been a bolt of lightning the photographer went back home and checked the files on his camera (https://groninganus.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/heb-ik-weer-een-ufo/).

What he found truly shocked him. Unsure as to whether it was a UFO or something more meteorological the stunning image is actually not the first instance of a shape like this being seen. http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3021832/thumbs/o-UFO-900.jpg?7




http://i.huffpost.com/gen/3021852/thumbs/o-UFO-CLOSE-UP-570.jpg?7




Here is a crop circle jellyfish for what it is worth


http://lamarzulli.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/crop-circle-jeppy-fish1.jpg


The caption for this picture simply reads "Ghostly Jellyfish type UFO scares Chicago residents".


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/e9/47/b1/e947b1069a9878da3f0cee5ca3719da4.jpg





mountaintop yoga session has yielded a highly bizarre UFO photo, and the weird object looks more like an underwater creature than an iconic saucer.The odd image was captured on July 14th by a group of hikers who trekked to the top of Steven’s Trail in Auburn, California for a mid-day yoga session. After snapping a few images of poses on the rock face, a hiker noticed a strange anomaly hovering in the background of the photo, and the big flying jellyfish doesn’t look like any UFO we’ve ever seen reported before. http://weekinweird.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/original.jpg

[shaberon]

No, I didn't think you made up the photographer--perhaps the "blogosphere" did.

The Viborg one looks neat but could be a smoke ring:

http://www.caelestia.be/viborg.html

http://www.caelestia.be/casespix/Viborg-kahn.jpg

http://www.caelestia.be/casespix/Viborg-burningman.jpg

Reich's estate maintains a site http://www.wilhelmreichtrust.org/home.html which is very clear about the "book burning" that happened to him. Leisting or Leistig is nowhere on there, and the only jellyfish is in one of the (probably many) sections about orgasms. Nothing about either one in the 141 page archive of all of his personal property.

Given the nature of "Cloudbusters", maybe it is a real picture of a smoke ring. Could still be in one of his books.

Constable's "Critters" seem to be a little bit better documented although their appearance isn't as spectacular. If I remember rightly, he thought their actual body was something like twenty calcium ions. Those and the ones from the NASA video seem to be some kind of material body that responds in a voluntary manner to electricity or plasma.

[shaberon]

I was going from ten year old memories on this so I freshened up a bit.

I was not aware that Constable lived to a ripe old age and passed away just last year. He was against the "carcass in a tin can" type of ufo, and against psychic channeling. He was quite interested in the tether incident, and said the camera they used was sensitive to ultraviolet. I don't know if this is true. It would imply that "critters" and "disks" are two different kinds of things.

He worked a lot with what he called ether, carrying the cloudbuster to a commercial level. In his observation, ether is the opposite of electricity: instead of flowing from high to low, it flows from low to high. Tornadoes and typhoons being high concentrations. He gave one example of mobile homes exploding when a tornado is near; the "metal box" was a low concentration, and flowed towards the tornado. Also the example of radar transformers on ships--high electric potential around 30,000 volts. The high concentration of ether in the typhoon would strike out and break the transformer. Similarly with ones on power poles when a thunderstorm is nearby, but no lightning hits it and it explodes.

He also said it interferes with radioactivity and reasoned that the young earth was more "alive"--had an overall higher concentration of ether--it messed with radioactive decay. Hence carbon dating and other similar methods became less accurate looking back over longer periods of time into the past.

So perhaps if critters are attracted to electricity, they are repelled by ether, which is why he looked for them in the desert.

[shaberon]

On a quick look, I can't tell why Mr. Constable would say NASA was using ultraviolet photography. On that mission they say they used a "low light level television camera", which does not do ultraviolet, but it does capture near-infrared up to about 1.1 microns wavelength. By comparison, most "strictly" infrared photography would start at 3 microns, which is a considerable difference. I might be missing something, but this suggests the "disks" were either plainly visible, or if not, they were very cold. Presumably, the same thing that would be warm in the Mojave Desert would be rather chilly at the top of the atmosphere, if the "critters" and "disks" are the same or similar.

[DNA]

On a quick look, I can't tell why Mr. Constable would say NASA was using ultraviolet photography. On that mission they say they used a "low light level television camera", which does not do ultraviolet, but it does capture near-infrared up to about 1.1 microns wavelength. By comparison, most "strictly" infrared photography would start at 3 microns, which is a considerable difference. I might be missing something, but this suggests the "disks" were either plainly visible, or if not, they were very cold. Presumably, the same thing that would be warm in the Mojave Desert would be rather chilly at the top of the atmosphere, if the "critters" and "disks" are the same or similar.


From memory I remember Mr. Constable stating that he used a infra-red filter/lens on his 35mm to capture photos of the sky critters. The video below I can't vouch for but they state they are using infra-red on a digital video camera and they seem to be capturing some pretty amazing stuff.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7TONwh_A94


-7TONwh_A94

[shaberon]

Yes, that's so. In general, infrared and near ultraviolet photography is not hard to do. Compared along with what was found at Brown Mountain, I'm pretty sure there's infrared will o wisps, how much of it could be geoform versus a bioform, is kind of hard to say. I'm prone to say the visible will o wisps, foo fighters, etc., are simply the plasma frenzy stage of these things, similarly to how the visible part of a lightning bolt is plasma. Ball lightning, St. Elmo's fire; maybe just temporarily visible bodies of things that keep going. Or maybe it has a very brief lifespan and goes out like a flame and that's it. Lifespan from almost instant to a million years perhaps.

That leaves me wondering if there could really be anything ultraviolet that wouldn't be found by other means. I mean, we know the sun is there, I hope, and UV can make certain things glow, but in the most extreme case, it's things we could find in a microscope. However vacuum ultraviolet and the higher energy waves x and gamma cannot pass the atmosphere--sources for this light are very dim anyway, considering this spectrum scale of the Crab Nebula:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/800crab.png

On that, a gamma ray would be one pixel. There simply are almost no gamma rays.

However, this was recently found at the core of the galaxy like so:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/800_nasa_structure_renderin2.jpg/1200px-800_nasa_structure_renderin2.jpg

My only guess is that the vacuum frequencies might be able to illuminate a Bose-Einstein Condensate. Not something I can see any reason to go flittering around the earth.

If I had that kind of camera set-up, I'd probably try to see how the stuff responded to spark plugs and a plasma ball, lasers and radio sources.