Duncan O’Finioan vs Richard C. Hoagland and wife

[baddbob]

Wow just read Duncan O’Finioan bolg post very interesting

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/09/the-blind-leading-the-blind-richard-c-hoagland-for-shamedude/

[000]

Kind of reactionary post from Duncan, yes? What good does it do to 'go after' certain people when one can simply let go. I hope Duncan realizes that there are far more important matters in this world to contend with than petty drama between those who think they have the whole truth rather than accepting they are all important pieces of a much larger puzzle.

Very immature.

[onawah]

With posts like that, full of threats and profanity, no wonder so many people hate him.

[alienHunter]

I remember watching an interview by Camelot where Kerry and another gentleman spoke in hushed tones to each other: "Dont' turn him loose"...

[000]

With posts like that, full of threats and profanity, no wonder so many people hate him.

Exactly. It just does not serve his cause very well to express so much decoherent anger, and it attracts a lot of that same energy to himself. One gets back what one puts out. He'd be so much better served if he wrote a calm and clear headed, articulate, article about precisely what his feelings on Hoagland and Wilcock are and back them up with good reasons. Otherwise it just attracts drama which helps no one at all. I certainly have nothing against Duncan, nor Hoagland or Wilcock, I think everyone has something valid to contribute, it is just how one goes about it that makes the difference as to how that information is perceived upon receiving it.

When I perceive something potentially controversial, I use due diligence and double/triple/quadruple check it and cross reference to see how things fit together or not. That is something that can only be done with an open and calm state of being.

[christian]

Wow, we all have flaws, but it's just out of proportion to vilify David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland and Sean David Morton so vigorously, there is nothing of substance in it, just attacks and unsubstantiated claims, allusions and insinuations.

I love Duncan anyways, I wonder how this will develop.

[crosby]

wow, that was a little scary. i'm left wondering what david wilcock will say in response. one of the worst things that can happen is when the whistleblowers start turning on each other. it leaves the door open for total chaos.
regards, corson

[christian]

Wilcock is a pretty wise one and will not engage in a sh#tfight, Morton will come up with something ingenious, because he may be all over the place but he really got some brains and Hoagland is so very used to being called all names in the book...

[Corncrake]

That looks like something that should have been written (ie to let off steam) and not posted. I am not that familiar with Duncan O'Finioan and - even considering what was done to him - didn't think he was that angry.

[etm567]

Does anyone know what this is about? Without extending or amplifying the bad feeling, I mean. What is the point? I looked at his blog, which I didn't know he had, and he seems to be angry at a few folks, but not Kerry Cassidy. I myself cannot afford to attend any conferences, anywhere. I don't have any idea what happened at Awake and Aware 2011.

I'm editing to add that I also cannot afford to pay to stream anything from the conferences. I used to transcribe these for Project Camelot. Couldn't possibly pay, as I am on disability and still have a daughter at home to feed and clothe.

Can anyone share what happened at the conference, for those of us who cannot afford to pay for the privilege?

Please excuse the little bit of sarcasm, there, but I do have a little problem when everything has to cost money. I understand people need to make a living, but when it's gone to such an extreme, this is shutting people without money out of the information loop. I cannot go to my local library and check out Awake and Aware. Wish I could. Can't even check out David Wilcock's book, which I also wish I could. But I am no longer buying books, either. I have watched his videos, and many years ago read all the free books on his website.

Anybody?

[onawah]

I'm with you on that etm; I would also like to know what happened.
The really scary thing about these threats from O'Finioan, for those who are not familiar with him, is that he was one of the "super soldiers" created by a black ops program, trained to kill and bio-enhanced to be a very lethal killing machine.
I kind of doubt that those threats were idle, but even so, just because he was the source of those threats makes them exponentially more sinister and intimidating than they would be coming from an ordinary person.
Imagine standing on a stage with that guy, who obviously has a bad temper and who could probably kill you in a matter of seconds if he chose to!
I don't imagine this is going to do much for his career.
It looks like his own efforts to de-program himself from the violent mentality that was programmed into him haven't gone nearly deep enough.
And to hold such hostility towards other whistelblowers, who, although they may not be perfect, seems to indicate some real imbalance.
If he really wants to go after somebody, there are certainly a lot of individuals more deserving of his wrath than Wilcock and Hoagland.
He'd be a good candidate for membership in the White Dragon Society, if there really is such a thing, whose targets for retribution are the Bushes and Cheneys of this world.

[NancyV]

I liked his post and I appreciate a man who can let it all hang out upon occasion instead of pussyfooting around and being diplomatic. He obviously feels like Hoagland and Wilcock are deceptive. If you read the Mad Martian's info about Hoagland you might also be inclined to think he is deceptive. Personally I have no knowledge about whether or not Hoagland and Wilcock are putting out misleading info. They have definitely put out predictions that never come to pass or mysteriously become shrouded in secrecy so no one can never really know what's going on.

At least Duncan calls it like he sees it. Righteous anger is not necessarily bad. NOT getting angry when you think someone is deceptive is not necessarily more highly evolved. If I were Hoagland or Wilcock I wouldn't want a man like Duncan this angry with me!

Here is some info about Hoagland on Late Night in the Midlands: http://www.latenightinthemidlands.com/page/richard-c-hogland
Kerry did a well written post in defense of him a few posts down in this thread:
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=21&id=67945&Itemid=164

[mountain_jim]

I am almost with him on Hoaxland, despite Kerry's strong defending. Hoaxland just cried wolf too many times for me, and nothing disclosure-related he has predicted has ever come true, at least for all that I have read and followed him on.

Wilcock on the other hand, I have learned so much from his free books and videos and now his Source Field Investigations book.

< later edit : removed my negative words concerning Duncan's anger, following reading several more pages of this thread which have added to my understanding of this situation. >

I do hope he finds healing while on the search for and exposition of truth.

[karelia]

Many don't like Duncan because he doesn't compromise truth. This, to me, is an admirable trait, but on a planet where lies rule to the point that everything is upside-down, speaking truth scares many.

It doesn't take rocket science to see Hoagland as a hoax. Just watch any snippet of his talks; the signs of someone totally focused on his ego are there for all to see.

[Lisab]

The man's mind has been f*****d with his whole life. No wonder he has outbursts from time to time. Who are we to judge? He has said himself he has split personalities which he has to constantly work on and battle with.

On a side Graham Hancock at the Awake and Aware is now on You Tube; sorry cant do links!

MOD EDIT: (First of nine, Graham Hancock at the Awake & Aware Conference 2011)
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[Mu2143]

I do listen to Duncan O’Finioan ,but not Willcock or Hoagland.

Its very important to know what is truth and what is a lie.
For the very simple reason that it is bad for the soul, your self and others. So that is why he shows righteous anger a specially they have many listeners or followers. You don't want to lead people in to the hands of the ememy
Like I said there is only one truth and the rest is mindcontrol.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Those 3 stand out for me too - as well as a few others most of the "love & light" crew cherish without question.

Add Greer and Redfern and Horn and you almost got a flush!

Hoagy I am starting to believe is NASA 100% - controlled release and deliberate disinfo...

There are more - and probably will be more.

[etm567]

If you read the Mad Martian's info about Hoagland you might also be inclined to think he is deceptive.


Before I take your advice and check out that link, who is Mad Martian?

[etm567]

I think it's very hard to figure out what is the truth. You know that saying, good disinformation is packaged wrapped up in truth. So it's really difficult to find that little bit of disinfo, and I think oftentimes the people spreading it aren't doing so knowingly. Whistleblowers like Wilcock and Fulford are obviously getting information from insiders, and I imagine they do their best at telling the truth from the lies, but they probably can't always be right, no matter how hard they try. That doesn't make them liars, at all, or disinformation agents.

[hangel]

I havent see A&A 2011. im sort of not willing to pay so much for this. Im aware that conference costs. But do we have to earn everywhere on each other? (its rhetorical question). Please dont try to convince me that i should pay.
Im biomolecular chemist and physicist, in active research for last 12 years. I earn my living on researching different aspects of proteins, their interactions polymers of many kinds and uses. No, i dont do hidden stuff. I cannot listen to DW without feeling that there is some kind of BS beeing fed to me. Maybe the guy scratches few surfaces but to me some of it is talk to talk. Not so long ago he was the Jesus Christ man, after Jordan said it may be a story that has been invented to control us by religion, DW kind of calmed down.

I select the speakers from A&A - there are few i absolutly love and admire. Dunk is one of them. When i saw his interview for the first time and then at conf with Dave Corso i felt: my God, this is guy who took hit for all of us and Dave C too. Its truth that he may be a bit 'emotional', but hang on: you would be after what hes been through? Dunk is real, suffering guy who needs respect and understanding. Dont make him feel stupid because he didnt write books like Richard.

I'll pay to watch conference when they make sure all of the speakers are theated the same, none of this c**p that this one is ok because he speaks ok and is nice and that one isnt.. We are all from the same Source. We are the one. Its just we think we are not. Bill Ryan said that many times. Mabye last time around you were slave and today you are master - better put your head down or you may not be able to graduate from this round and will have to come back to learn it again.

Did not Charles wanted a pay for membership forum? Why these new conf are of similar flavour?

Ok, i know you guys do it for us and it costs. Participants may pay as any other conference, direct transfer via internet on the day by fee - fine. But why so much for old news? and taste of this speaker is ok and this is bad. Do you wanna change the world? start with the man in the mirror. This is my message to all of those who want to cash on our interest in these topics.

[randymaugans]

Ask the right questions on this:

WHY did Kerry feel the need to ever respond to the Michael Vara article regarding Gary "The Mad Martian"s expose of Hoagland? Who asked HER? Why was Gary tagged as "mind control" by Kerry when she never even spoke with him? What are the connections between Hoagland/CoastToCoast and Camelot? Isn't all of this a bit too cozy?

When was anyone gonna call "****" on Hoaglands endless parade of fantasies---and his proclaimed desire for a New World Order by the "True Shepherds", the Masons? Why has Hoagland branded Project Pegasus whistleblower, Andy Basiago as a LIAR, with no protests from Camelot? And, really, why would Mars photos which were aired in 1997 on TV provoke a string of lies, obfuscations, and attacks from Hoagland and Robin Falko? WHY the deep ass-covering by Kerry on THIS subject?

Maybe someone needs to follow the MONEY?

I called her **** in an email on December 4, 2011, posted here: Letter To Kerry Cassidy-Project Camelot (http://exotica-radio.squarespace.com/articles/2011/12/5/letter-to-kerry-cassidy-project-camelot.html)
I will do the interview with Gary and Michael Vara that she won't touch, and Duncan O'Finioan and many others ARE "awake and aware".

Like the Atticus/Charles debacle here, this may well become a very bad situation for Camelot. Unlike Bill Ryan, I feel little sympathy for Kerry, as she chose to be snookered by Hoagland. Bill displayed admirable humility when Charles went sideways...will Kerry do the same when/if Hoagland is exposed? I hope so.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)

[jaybee]

I'm with you on that etm; I would also like to know what happened.
The really scary thing about these threats from O'Finioan, for those who are not familiar with him, is that he was one of the "super soldiers" created by a black ops program, trained to kill and bio-enhanced to be a very lethal killing machine.

it would be funny if it wasn't so creepy. It's still funny in a totally black humour kind of way. I can't help it...:baby:




It looks like his own efforts to de-program himself from the violent mentality that was programmed into him haven't gone nearly deep enough.

very delicately put....

my honest reaction when reading it and all the comments was that there's a crazy-fest going on there. Or a psyops vignette... a catalyst to encourage another round of Hoagland bashing.???



If he really wants to go after somebody, there are certainly a lot of individuals more deserving of his wrath than Wilcock and Hoagland.


exactly!



Unbelieveable!

[randymaugans]

You don't need Wilcock's book...it's mostly rehashed information and his usual disclosure crap about the "nice" ETs that want to help us (yeah, right). And money is one of the problems...like, where DO these people make their livings? And if they make it off the "truth movement", what is truth? I was willing to PAY to see A&A videos and the stupid website was so complicated, and wouldn't take my payment...and, yes, it was pirated which is sad as well, but there are issues with all of this that go to who greases palms. Some people get cushy lifestyles off the backs of people who are living the nightmare of this NWO...and Hoagland seems to have no problem asking the UN FOR this NWO...check carefully the agendas.

[ghostrider]

Duncan would say he was part of MK-ultra, not a super-soldier. but a highly trained assassin, with unique abilities. a soldier would follow commands without thinking, Duncan challenged anything he thought was bull$@#$. Don't know bout the Hoagland drama, but Mr Hoagland strikes me as I need to be the center of attention, and you don' t the real story till I TELL you whats really going on. Some in the media think they are soooo smart, na , just have more sources to pull information from that the rest of us. The lie is different at every level H E L L O it's still a lie no matter what level your at..... onwards .. I don't trust him, I don't trust anyone who's hair doesn't move... ha ha ah he he.. if Duncan is pissed at him, thats all I need to know. Duncan tells like it is. I wouldn't want to be on omega 197 's bad side... Hoagland should start kissin some serious booty....I recomend the one cheek approach... I don't want to offend anyone I'm thinking out loud here.....

[cheez_2806]

Ask the right questions on this:

WHY did Kerry feel the need to ever respond to the Michael Vara article regarding Gary "The Mad Martian"s expose of Hoagland? Who asked HER? Why was Gary tagged as "mind control" by Kerry when she never even spoke with him? What are the connections between Hoagland/CoastToCoast and Camelot? Isn't all of this a bit too cozy?

When was anyone gonna call "****" on Hoaglands endless parade of fantasies---and his proclaimed desire for a New World Order by the "True Shepherds", the Masons? Why has Hoagland branded Project Pegasus whistleblower, Andy Basiago as a LIAR, with no protests from Camelot? And, really, why would Mars photos which were aired in 1997 on TV provoke a string of lies, obfuscations, and attacks from Hoagland and Robin Falko? WHY the deep ass-covering by Kerry on THIS subject?

Maybe someone needs to follow the MONEY?

I called her **** in an email on December 4, 2011, posted here: Letter To Kerry Cassidy-Project Camelot (http://exotica-radio.squarespace.com/articles/2011/12/5/letter-to-kerry-cassidy-project-camelot.html)
I will do the interview with Gary and Michael Vara that she won't touch, and Duncan O'Finioan and many others ARE "awake and aware".

Like the Atticus/Charles debacle here, this may well become a very bad situation for Camelot. Unlike Bill Ryan, I feel little sympathy for Kerry, as she chose to be snookered by Hoagland. Bill displayed admirable humility when Charles went sideways...will Kerry do the same when/if Hoagland is exposed? I hope so.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)

Did Kerry respond to the letter?

[jaybee]

Duncan would say he was part of MK-ultra, not a super-soldier. but a highly trained assassin, with unique abilities. a soldier would follow commands without thinking, Duncan challenged anything he thought was bull$@#$. Don't know bout the Hoagland drama, but Mr Hoagland strikes me as I need to be the center of attention, and you don' t the real story till I TELL you whats really going on. Some in the media think they are soooo smart, na , just have more sources to pull information from that the rest of us. The lie is different at every level H E L L O it's still a lie no matter what level your at..... onwards .. I don't trust him, I don't trust anyone who's hair doesn't move... ha ha ah he he.. if Duncan is pissed at him, thats all I need to know. Duncan tells like it is. I wouldn't want to be on omega 197 's bad side... Hoagland should start kissin some serious booty....I recomend the one cheek approach... I don't want to offend anyone I'm thinking out loud here.....

the thing is.....people who are genuinely not interested in researchers and speakers like Hoagland and Wilcock....just don't bother much with them.

but some people seem to go out of their way to disrespect them and try to influence others against them. Or try to create an cloud of doubt. confusion.


I see Kerry took quite a bashing as well in a previous post on this thread. More divide and rule crap. sheeeesh. :rolleyes:


something is badly wrong with this thread. It doesn't take a genius to work that out.

just thinking out loud here...

[Cartomancer]

Well then, besides sounding like a vintage pro wrestling diatribe what he said was kind of funny and in its own way right on the money. Jackwagon? I wonder what the reference to having someone committed to a mental institution was? That's the kind of blog post one may write in anger but think twice about posting later. Good for him for saying what is on his mind at least. I wonder if Wilcock's response will be to insist on a no holds barred cage match to the death? It would take at least a tag team if not a two on one of Hoagland and Wilcock to subdue O'Finioan.

[Tommy]

Ask the right questions on this:

WHY did Kerry feel the need to ever respond to the Michael Vara article regarding Gary "The Mad Martian"s expose of Hoagland? Who asked HER? Why was Gary tagged as "mind control" by Kerry when she never even spoke with him? What are the connections between Hoagland/CoastToCoast and Camelot? Isn't all of this a bit too cozy?

When was anyone gonna call "****" on Hoaglands endless parade of fantasies---and his proclaimed desire for a New World Order by the "True Shepherds", the Masons? Why has Hoagland branded Project Pegasus whistleblower, Andy Basiago as a LIAR, with no protests from Camelot? And, really, why would Mars photos which were aired in 1997 on TV provoke a string of lies, obfuscations, and attacks from Hoagland and Robin Falko? WHY the deep ass-covering by Kerry on THIS subject?

Maybe someone needs to follow the MONEY?

I called her **** in an email on December 4, 2011, posted here: Letter To Kerry Cassidy-Project Camelot (http://exotica-radio.squarespace.com/articles/2011/12/5/letter-to-kerry-cassidy-project-camelot.html)
I will do the interview with Gary and Michael Vara that she won't touch, and Duncan O'Finioan and many others ARE "awake and aware".

Like the Atticus/Charles debacle here, this may well become a very bad situation for Camelot. Unlike Bill Ryan, I feel little sympathy for Kerry, as she chose to be snookered by Hoagland. Bill displayed admirable humility when Charles went sideways...will Kerry do the same when/if Hoagland is exposed? I hope so.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)

Hi,

I think it is time you as journalist choosing sides in this case start looking into the REAL facts behind the person Gary. Contact the people he says "knows the truth" and see if they actually correlate anything.
I will say nothing, but some times things are exposed but due to circumstances in some cases certain information are not released. Is this the case with Gary? Well, I dare you to do proper investigation your-self. This is getting out of hand.

Also, if you feel Duncan is someone you trust then I think you should ask him what he thinks about the people running Camelot (well, Kerry and myself) :)

These are serious questions, I support everyone's right to ask them. You might not like Kerry's answer but at least she gave one when people requested it. The most important opinion is your own, and I feel people need to look (and dig) harder into the actual facts before jumping on a band-wagon (of any kind).

Do I believe everything Hoagland says? Sure I don't, but whom do I believe? Well, I believe what I see and feel, and those "sights" and feelings comes from first gathering information and then with my folder I go out in the field and, well, investigate. Often I do this just to confirm or de-bunk my own notions. Do I do the same with Hoagland? Yes I do.

No hard feelings, but certain times I feel that if people had used half the time they use working them-self up about something actually looking, and I mean LOOKING, then we would progress a lot faster, as individuals and as a "one unit".

Regarding Camelot's relations with Coast to Coast: I can place this in one word, cold.

Stay cool, and question everything!

[childs hood end]

i say fare play to dunky for calling out these people,
if i was in hell and still on the way back i to would be pissed of with someone
making money with bullshiiit.

a friend of mine in the uk was looking to hold a conference but cancled due to
whistleblower fees.

hoagland was looking for 5000 pound pluss flights/hotel,,
also his wife was hustlin to speak at this conference for a fee.

when he asked dunky` he replied` no fee i would love to help in any way i can, just a flight and a dry bed, thanks.

when david wilcock first popped on the seen he was cool,
but i think the limelight grabbed him to,
you only have to look at the b. fullford interviews,
the first one was done and put out no bother,
the next was done by someone else ? and as a public duty dave also injected himself in to it and
put it out, fair anouf,
but this 3rd one was done 2 weeks ago and it still aint out,
and in the past 2 weeks daves site has been getting a lot of traffic ?
i also think he posts here as other people to up him self and book sales.

so i say fair play to dunky for standin up,
at the end of the day hes no diff to hoagybear as he lashes nasa.

thats my 39 sence.

blah..........

[modwiz]

Duncan would say he was part of MK-ultra, not a super-soldier. but a highly trained assassin, with unique abilities. a soldier would follow commands without thinking, Duncan challenged anything he thought was bull$@#$. Don't know bout the Hoagland drama, but Mr Hoagland strikes me as I need to be the center of attention, and you don' t the real story till I TELL you whats really going on. Some in the media think they are soooo smart, na , just have more sources to pull information from that the rest of us. The lie is different at every level H E L L O it's still a lie no matter what level your at..... onwards .. I don't trust him, I don't trust anyone who's hair doesn't move... ha ha ah he he.. if Duncan is pissed at him, thats all I need to know. Duncan tells like it is. I wouldn't want to be on omega 197 's bad side... Hoagland should start kissin some serious booty....I recomend the one cheek approach... I don't want to offend anyone I'm thinking out loud here.....

OMG.I almost choked on my kamut reading that. Agreed. Suspicious hair. Very politician-like.

[etm567]

I select the speakers from A&A - there are few i absolutly love and admire. Dunk is one of them. When i saw his interview for the first time and then at conf with Dave Corso i felt: my God, this is guy who took hit for all of us and Dave C too. Its truth that he may be a bit 'emotional', but hang on: you would be after what hes been through? Dunk is real, suffering guy who needs respect and understanding. Dont make him feel stupid because he didnt write books like Richard.
.

Hey, I basically agree with you about Duncan and what he's been through. But that doesn't necessarily make him right when he condemns someone like David Wilcock.

Me? I do not know who is right, who is wrong, who is good, who is not good. I would definitely like to have access to more information.

[etm567]

That may all be true, but it doesn't make him a bad guy.

I think it is too complex for -- I was going to say "us", but I should settle for myself -- me to figure out the finer points. If someone is an obvious tool, okay, but I think the PTB are very accomplished and will use people that are not such obvious tools. Just because one good guy is angry at another good guy does not mean that the second good guy is actually a bad guy. It's not that simple.

[Tommy]

That may all be true, but it doesn't make him a bad guy.

I think it is too complex for -- I was going to say "us", but I should settle for myself -- me to figure out the finer points. If someone is an obvious tool, okay, but I think the PTB are very accomplished and will use people that are not such obvious tools. Just because one good guy is angry at another good guy does not mean that the second good guy is actually a bad guy. It's not that simple.

Excellent point, thank you :)

[Whiskey_Mystic]

There are no bad guys. But there are immature ones. The true warrior knows that all action is taken from the position of the higher self. The ego structure is easily manipulated. When one lashes out in rage as Duncan so often does, one controls neither himself nor the battlefield. The Darth Vader metaphor was given to you intentionally. The Taoist Immortals referred to it as The Valley (or Village) of the Fallen Masters. It is not the way of mastery. It is not the way to win.

I am hoping that Duncan can someday put aside pride, over-personalization of events, attachment, and outwardly projected victimization. He could be powerful.

[jorr lundstrom]

Well, Duncan is certainly honest and sparkling. LOL He doesnt seem to pretend to

be something he isnt, ie p####d. LOL

[Whiskey_Mystic]

when he asked dunky` he replied` no fee i would love to help in any way i can, just a flight and a dry bed, thanks.

That says alot about the man. I'm not against anyone charging money if they need to. People gotta eat. But if he can manage not to and didn't, that speaks to the integrity of his mission.

[jackovesk]

IMHO without Transparency there is 'No Truth',

Forget about trying to alienate Duncan's POV, for the way he expressed himself...That has nothing to do with the point he was actually trying to relay...

He has always called a (Spade a Spade), and I truely admire him for that...

Kudos to you Duncan O’Finioan for sharing your own 'Truth' and 'Calling Out' certain 'Self Appointed Gurus'...

This has been a long-time coming for (ALL) those that are glad to take our $money, but when seriously scrutinised, covet and hide behind their blind-followers. Like Politicians weazeling their way out of the 'Tough Questions'...

(Please Remember) Just because you may agree with 1 or 2 of their Theories, doesn't excuse you for not using your own 'Discernment' on the rest of their story!

Just as the living breathing 'Mother Earth' is continuously balancing herself, its high time the 'Truth Movement' did so aswell...

I agree with Duncan's right to question both Richard Hoagland's & David Wilcock's credibility...

All-In-All if there is 'Festering Sore' that is allowed to grow and won't go away, would'nt you want it to be at least diagnosed and treated..?

Thank you Duncan for your honesty...

Regards,

Jack

PS - I think Kerry & some others are caught between a 'Rock and a Hard Place' and I still support her 110%. Until proven otherwise...

As for Sean David Morton, I don't know enough about him to be able to offer a comment.

PSS - What all this boils down to is this, now more than ever its time to use your own 'Discernment & Knowing'...

I would hope most of you know that something is not right in some areas of the 'Truth Movement' and needs further investigation...

...and Lastly, I am not saying whether I am Right or Wrong only to say the ('TRUTH' will all 'COME OUT' in the End).

[Carmody]

We just had Uranus stop and change direction....which is, shocking change and humanitarian interests, the collective mind, etc. .and this...on an eclipse (full moon), which is emotions times 10. then, mars square moon at the same time. mars is in Virgo, Virgo which is nit picky and pedantic on the bad side of it's personality. the 'square' alignment is one where things go angry and sideways.

so, angry and sideways emotions, times 10, involving humanitarian or world collective intellect concerns..and CONFUSED minds, as mercury is still in retrograde motion, for a few more days.

I'd write all of this off as being 'under a bad spell'. the who darned thing. This forum, posters, Duncan, etc. all of it. :)

This will all blow over in the next 4 days.

[modwiz]

In a comment made in another thread, (For security reasons-if I told you which one, I'd have to kill you:jester:) about groups who make one good album and then stop or should have stopped, I had this to say about Hard Hair Hoagland:

"It is funny how many groups should have only made one great album and then stopped. Some only have that one great offering in them. Kind of like Mr. Hoagland. Awesome first album, but has has been putting out some weak stuff in recent years to keep the bills paid. I don't knock him, just disregard most of what he has to say these days. His legitimate entry into my awareness insures I will always give him a listen. He has earned that much."

[Sync]

I thought Duncan's tone was actually kind of playful... in an jackwagon asshat sort of way. This is the tone taken by military culture after talking with the boys after a couple of beers. The hostility is due to having his feelings hurt at A&A, which was the straw that broke the proverbial super-soldier back. He's been through a lot, and sometimes its hard not to be heard; especially when the folks doing all the talking have had really easy lives filled with lots of fine meats and cheeses. Being in front of crowds is hard for Duncan; it was hard for him to assert himself. It was traumatic. He needed to blow off some steam, but he's harmless.

[jackovesk]

We just had Uranus stop and change direction....which is, shocking change and humanitarian interests, the collective mind, etc. .and this...on an eclipse (full moon), which is emotions times 10. then, mars square moon at the same time. mars is in Virgo, Virgo which is nit picky and pedantic on the bad side of it's personality. the 'square' alignment is one where things go angry and sideways.

so, angry and sideways emotions, times 10, involving humanitarian or world collective intellect concerns..and CONFUSED minds, as mercury is still in retrograde motion, for a few more days.

I'd write all of this off as being 'under a bad spell'. the who darned thing. This forum, posters, Duncan, etc. all of it. :)

This will all blow over in the next 4 days.

Hello Carmody,

I will take your word on your Astralogical summary of events, as I have limited understanding of Astrology.

However, staying on Topic...


This will all blow over in the next 4 days

I respectfully disagree, this is only the beginning of not judgement but 'Accountability'...

I would be inclined to make some 'Predictions' as to what may transpire in the coming months and especially in 2012, but there is no need due to the Universal Karma 'Exposing' many of those who are out to decieve...

Rgs

Jack

[onawah]

So what actually happened at the A&A Conference that was humiliating for Duncan?

[childs hood end]

IMHO without Transparency there is 'No Truth',

Forget about trying to alienate Duncan's POV, for the way he expressed himself...That has nothing to do with the point he was actually trying to relay...

He has always called a (Spade a Spade), and I truely admire him for that...

Kudos to you Duncan O’Finioan for sharing your own 'Truth' and 'Calling Out' certain 'Self Appointed Gurus'...

This has been a long-time coming for (ALL) those that are glad to take your $money, but when seriously scrutinised, covet and hide behind their blind-followers. Like Politicians weazeling their way out of the 'Tough Questions'...

(Please Remember) Just because you may agree with 1 or 2 of their Theories, doesn't excuse you for not using your own 'Discernment' on the rest of their story!

Just as the living breathing 'Mother Earth' is continuously balancing herself, its high time the 'Truth Movement' did so aswell...

I agree with Duncan's right to question both Richard Hoagland's & David Wilcock's credibility...

All-In-All if there is 'Festering Sore' that is allowed to grow and won't go away, would'nt you want it to be at least diagnosed and treated..?

Thank you Duncan for your honesty...

Regards,

Jack

PS - I think Kerry & some others are caught between a 'Rock and a Hard Place' and I still support her 110%. Until proven otherwise...

As for Sean David Morton, I don't know enough about him to be able to offer a comment.

PSS - What all this boils down to is this, now more than ever its time to use your own 'Discernment & Knowing'...

I would hope most of you know that something is not right in some areas of the 'Truth Movement' and needs further investigation...

...and Lastly, I am not saying whether I am Right or Wrong only to say the ('TRUTH' will all 'COME OUT' in the End).

O i do hope so

[randymaugans]

No. Kerry did not respond to my letter, and has not addressed any of the issues I raised there, or in my post on Camelot forum.

Randy Maugans

[hangel]

He's been through a lot, and sometimes its hard not to be heard; especially when the folks doing all the talking have had really easy lives filled with lots of fine meats and cheeses. Being in front of crowds is hard for Duncan; it was hard for him to assert himself. It was traumatic. He needed to blow off some steam, but he's harmless.

yeah, thats what i think had happened.

Im ok with those who say DW and RH were right at the start but lost it somewhere between then and the next mortgage payment. Mybe DW should get a job at the uni if he so much understands waves and molecules. Its hard to find good talker (sorry lecturer) these days. His pseudo science didnt strike Pete Peterson as he was a bit frustrated with him during interview.

Some people are talented with talking some have their message in much simpler (and shorter) form. Clearly few guys realised: 'great, i have audience i will talk them to death and make a living out of it'. Assess this for yourself.

For me things are suspicious when somebody clings to well establish institutions (like camelot and avalon) or makes himself indispensable by adding his few pennies over and over again. Its addictive when you asked to comment on something often, but then people tend to 'become' expert on anything and everything like DW.

RH on other hand didnt handle well his Elenin brake up and Kerry stood by him despite obvious facts. His story became a bit ‘inconsistent’.

I've got this feeling that Kerry becomes dependable on those guys, somehow. I wonder why?

[randymaugans]

Ask the right questions on this:

WHY did Kerry feel the need to ever respond to the Michael Vara article regarding Gary "The Mad Martian"s expose of Hoagland? Who asked HER? Why was Gary tagged as "mind control" by Kerry when she never even spoke with him? What are the connections between Hoagland/CoastToCoast and Camelot? Isn't all of this a bit too cozy?

When was anyone gonna call "****" on Hoaglands endless parade of fantasies---and his proclaimed desire for a New World Order by the "True Shepherds", the Masons? Why has Hoagland branded Project Pegasus whistleblower, Andy Basiago as a LIAR, with no protests from Camelot? And, really, why would Mars photos which were aired in 1997 on TV provoke a string of lies, obfuscations, and attacks from Hoagland and Robin Falko? WHY the deep ass-covering by Kerry on THIS subject?

Maybe someone needs to follow the MONEY?

I called her **** in an email on December 4, 2011, posted here: Letter To Kerry Cassidy-Project Camelot (http://exotica-radio.squarespace.com/articles/2011/12/5/letter-to-kerry-cassidy-project-camelot.html)
I will do the interview with Gary and Michael Vara that she won't touch, and Duncan O'Finioan and many others ARE "awake and aware".

Like the Atticus/Charles debacle here, this may well become a very bad situation for Camelot. Unlike Bill Ryan, I feel little sympathy for Kerry, as she chose to be snookered by Hoagland. Bill displayed admirable humility when Charles went sideways...will Kerry do the same when/if Hoagland is exposed? I hope so.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)

Hi,

I think it is time you as journalist choosing sides in this case start looking into the REAL facts behind the person Gary. Contact the people he says "knows the truth" and see if they actually correlate anything.
I will say nothing, but some times things are exposed but due to circumstances in some cases certain information are not released. Is this the case with Gary? Well, I dare you to do proper investigation your-self. This is getting out of hand.

Also, if you feel Duncan is someone you trust then I think you should ask him what he thinks about the people running Camelot (well, Kerry and myself) :)

These are serious questions, I support everyone's right to ask them. You might not like Kerry's answer but at least she gave one when people requested it. The most important opinion is your own, and I feel people need to look (and dig) harder into the actual facts before jumping on a band-wagon (of any kind).

Do I believe everything Hoagland says? Sure I don't, but whom do I believe? Well, I believe what I see and feel, and those "sights" and feelings comes from first gathering information and then with my folder I go out in the field and, well, investigate. Often I do this just to confirm or de-bunk my own notions. Do I do the same with Hoagland? Yes I do.

No hard feelings, but certain times I feel that if people had used half the time they use working them-self up about something actually looking, and I mean LOOKING, then we would progress a lot faster, as individuals and as a "one unit".

Regarding Camelot's relations with Coast to Coast: I can place this in one word, cold.

Stay cool, and question everything!

Last part first: If Camelot's relationship with C2C/George Nour is, as you term: "cold", why would Nouri have been a keynote and MC at A&A? The reports I got were the opposite. OR---did she bring in George to pad the crowd with C2C listeners? Either way, the APPEARENCE is opposite your statement.

Next: Kerry's answer to WHAT? Who asked her, and why the response at all? It seems to me that the best way to deflate Gary's charges, from Camelot's perspective, would be to IGNORE it. If he is such a small player, and loose cannon, why bother responding with such vigor? Me thinkest thou dost protest too much .

I HAVE looked at the actual facts. And as I wrote in my letter to Kerry, I originally thought this was just another internet war of personalities; but the more I looked, the more compelling the story became. I do not have any "conclusions" as of yet, and won't until I do the interview with Gary and Michael Vara. I do have more information now that has come from other sources. What Kerry offered was not just her opinion, and a defense of Richard, her article was a hit piece directed at Gary, as I outlined in my email to her.

As for my trust of Duncan O'Finioan: some relationships are mystical. Let's just say that I know him better than many people I've known all the time of THIS present life. I also know that when the call is made for integrity, Duncan chooses to make decision that are based on integrity...NOT on business relationships (read between the lines).

As a "journalist" (the term is dead, thanks to its bastardization by big media), I have not "chosen sides". When I booked Michael Vara and Gary for an interview, there were no "sides" as regards Camelot and Kerry; and I remain ever skeptical of all things until I have the facts. Right now, facts have come from Gary, not Hoagland, and certainly NOT from Camelot. I'd be happy to examine whatever can be offered and I will be fair...even to Mr. Hoagland.

Finally, no one needs to "dare" me to do a "proper investigation", least of all people who clearly sit on the sidelines offering advise. If YOU have something to offer, give it up. But defending Kerry, when she initiated a campaign against the accusations WITHOUT making direct inquiries (and she did not, as I asked Michael Vara) is pure sophistry. What Kerry presented in her blog post article was purely opinion, backed by no facts, with obvious bias and malice in directly characterizing Gary as:

" someone who would have been targeted by the PTB from the very beginning of his dealings with Richard. This is a no-brainer...what happened to Gary follows a through-line that makes logical sense in this Alice in Wonderland world that the purveyors of MKUtra, mind control and scaler weaponry take full advantage of...."

I had no intentions of dragging Camelot and Kerry into my research of Gary's claims prior to the December 1 blog post. After that post, I triangulated the connections with Hoagland, Camelot, and indirectly C2C---following Kerry's own formula: "...discern, cross-correlate and understand the complexities of right and wrong,"

I have no "feelings"---hard, or otherwise. I plan to pursue this story and post what I find. I will do the "wet work", while Kerry and some of the Camelot spectators sit opining. I have no dogs in this hunt. My responses were/are "cool", but they do bear the weight of my incredulity at Ms. Cassidy's duplicity in this matter.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio

[jackovesk]

No. Kerry did not respond to my letter, and has not addressed any of the issues I raised there, or in my post on Camelot forum.

Randy Maugans

Patience Randy Patience,

I'm still pretty sure Kerry will come around in due time, you must remember the long association she has had with both Hoagland & Wilcock...

In life as I'm sure you know, its pretty hard to go against your friends. Let alone publically...

By the way (Great Interview) you had with Duncan and Miranda


Miranda's Testimony with Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda Kelly


Duncan O'Finioan Quote:

"I don't give a Rats-Butt about Off-Planet Entities, they can Bleed just like we do and Die just like we do. Its the Inter-Dimentional Entities that Scare the Crap out of me..!"

"We are in a Cosmic War and its all over the Human Soul, because its so Powerful..!"

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/mirandas-testimony-with-duncan-ofinioan-and-miranda-kelly-pa.html

http://offplanetradio.com/

PS - Please let Duncan know there is still plenty of support for him here at Avalon.

[jaybee]

This is what Richard said on his Facebook Page just a short while ago re. Elenin


http://www.facebook.com/RichardC.Hoagland




Tha LightBringer
Uh....whats happened to comet elenin and all the 19.5 signatures??
Like · Comment · 4 hours ago · Sean Jolicoeur likes this..


Richard C. Hoagland (said) Both still exist.

I think you want to know--

"What HAPPENED with them?"

Stay tuned ... the process is on-going.2 hours ago ·

[motherlove]

It would be reasonable to assume that at conferences in the truth movement the disinfo agents would not be observing in the audience they would be vigorously participating. I would suggest that many of us are aware of the "game" the first rule for playing is: Put your faith and emotions in no one or their information. That is one of the reasons we are in the mess we are in. Best Wishes

[schneider]

I was able to stream the conference and i most certainly felt the tension in the room. Sean was at times very annoying and irritating, just listen to his radio show and you will understand. Mr. 19.5, RCH, gave a speech that was sooooooooooooooooooo long, it went on for 3 hours or more.( i couldn't believe Kerry let him babble on for so long). David actually gave a good talk and helped lighten the energy in the room. But the above people have incredible egos and i just get exhausted with their self absorption. Duncan and his friend were one of the first speakers but unfortunately the streaming video was so bad you couldn't hear them very well. I hear your frustration Duncan.

[Bill Ryan]

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I'd not have written what Duncan wrote using quite the same words. :)

But I fully understand where he's coming from, and I fully support him and his courage. He's calling out BS where he sees it.

For many years I, too, chose not say a word against any of my colleagues who I felt were wrong or mistaken. But times are changing: there's been so much nonsense and deception in the latter half of this year, particularly about Elenin et al, that it's no longer okay for people to be misinformed and to sit back and just watch it all play out. We have to take stands sometimes. Way too much is now at stake.

I too would not have Sean David Morton anywhere near any conference which I was hosting; he has no idea how to conduct himself in public any more. I think something went very wrong with Richard Hoagland's judgment this year; and much as I like and respect David Wilcock as a friend, I have problems with some of his material and the style in which he presents it.

Time will tell whether he and Ben Fulford are correct about a number of recent extreme claims: I think they are both mistaken -- let us simply say. David and I disagree strongly about the pedigree of at least one source who reports to him (who is known to myself also: he is an admitted agent and proven liar), and -- as we Englishman say: this is a cricketing analogy -- David may be on a stickier wicket than he believes. If I prove to be wrong, and a number of underground bases really have been destroyed, I will be the first to admit it. But in the meantime, none of this correlates with any information which I understand to be true.

Back to Duncan: what he did not state in his blog is that he also had an attempt on his life the other day, and is under quite some pressure. He and Miranda have been under regular, continual, electronic and psychic attack. Kerry and I received a couple of messages from them both the other day asking us to confirm that we stood with them. We do.

[jackovesk]

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I'd not have written what Duncan wrote using quite the same words. :)

But I fully understand where he's coming from, and I fully support him and his courage. He's calling out BS where he sees it.

For many years I, too, chose not say a word against any of my colleagues who I felt were wrong or mistaken. But times are changing: there's been so much nonsense and deception in the latter half of this year, particularly about Elenin et al, that it's no longer okay for people to be misinformed and to sit back and just watch it all play out. We have to take stands sometimes. Way too much is now at stake.

I too would not have Sean David Morton anywhere near any conference which I was hosting; he has no idea how to conduct himself in public any more. I think something went very wrong with Richard Hoagland's judgment this year; and much as I like and respect David Wilcock as a friend, I have problems with some of his material and the style in which he presents it.

Time will tell whether he and Ben Fulford are correct about a number of recent extreme claims: I think they are both mistaken -- let us simply say. David and I disagree strongly about the pedigree of at least one source who reports to him (who is known to myself also: he is an admitted agent and proven liar), and -- as we Englishman say: this is a cricketing analogy -- David may be on a stickier wicket than he believes. If I prove to be wrong, and a number of underground bases really have been destroyed, I will be the first to admit it. But in the meantime, none of this correlates with any information which I understand to be true.

Back to Duncan: what he did not state in his blog is that he also had an attempt on his life the other day, and is under quite some pressure. He and Miranda have been under regular, continual, electronic and psychic attack. Kerry and I received a couple of messages from them both the other day asking us to confirm that we stood with them. We do.

:bump:

Thanks Bill,

That means a lot to us all here who support Duncan, his Honesty and the Truth...

Regards,

Jack

[hangel]

Thanks Bill,

"It takes a great deal of bravery to stand up to your enemies, but a great deal more to stand up to
your friends."- –Dumbledore, Harry Potter

[Christine]

Yes folks, everything is quickly unraveling to allow us all to see through the layers of illusion in which we are trapped. I have a great deal of compassion for Duncan, he is a deeply wounded warrior who has been swallowed into belly of the beast. Let us not fall into the trap of judging him for he wields a mighty sword that will cut through what he calls the BS.

I do not know nor have I followed the work of those who he refers to but I hear his anguished cry that we do not fall prey to those who would consume us through any means or person who prefers the laurels of fame, glory or fortune.

[000]

This will all blow over in the next 4 daysI respectfully disagree, this is only the beginning of not judgement but 'Accountability'...

I would be inclined to make some 'Predictions' as to what may transpire in the coming months and especially in 2012, but there is no need due to the Universal Karma 'Exposing' many of those who are out to decieve...

Rgs

Jack

I think Carmody meant the highly unstable and sudden emotional upheaval of this general space of a few days would start to balance itself again afterwards in relation to the recent overall astrological influences.

Yes, those who are deceptive have been, are, and shall be exposed over time. I never make predictions for anything outside of my own life-map, but the ESP weather report on my end has been constantly indicating vast quickening and it is not showing signs of slowing down any time soon, to put it simply.

People *must* remember it is *their* responsibility regarding the information they take in. Even though it is absolutely important for a theorist or a whistleblower, insider, etc to also be highly responsible, ultimately, the responsibility lays upon the listeners. If someone is impressionable, that is as a consequence of their choices and actions. Cause and effect!

This is why I never allow myself to become attached to the personality of ANY speaker of any sort. It is merely a matter of observing what information is coming out, and analyzing how well it fits together. Imagine all of the information one speaker claims to have as one transparency sheet, an overhead sheet, and then you take all those different speakers claims, all the sheets, and stack them, and you see which information lines up and which does not. I highly agree that discernment is absolutely necessary in fact it is key. The wise would accept that it is a *personal responsibility*. Speakers say what they say, there is no way in all of the Infinite that they could *make* anyone believe anything. Seduce? Yes, but the responsibility *still* lays upon the observer where information intake and what one does with it is concerned. Those who have not accepted that it is their responsibility to analyze and utilize information wisely will find it very difficult to come to any conclusions.

It boggles me how so little people take this seriously, that; what you choose now has absolute direct impact on the choices you will be able to make in the future. This is cause/effect management and navigation. I cannot begin to stress enough how important it is. Freedom is worth its weight in self-responsibility.

[Tommy]

Randy: George Noory was hired by our conference organizer, he required payment for that appearance. He pretty much came and went. Did we regret paying him? You could say so...

As for the rest of your "case": You assume way too much, and that is enough for me too see how this will go for you. This will most likely come back and bite you in the ass.
The fact that you require us to do your research for your show sounds strange, have you only interest in the story and not the facts? Did you even check anything?

Seriously, for your own sake Randy.

And don't assume too much...

Best of luck,

Tommy

[Kristin]

My radar tells me there is a great deal of "conquer and divide" going on here. I pray that everyone involved in this comes out unscathed and all the better for it. I see nothing wrong with people asking for donations or charging for CD's. These things cost time and money to get out there. These folks have all dedicated their life to telling and researching what they think is the truth, they are not getting rich off of it. I feel for everyone involved. There is another force at work here, I'm going to personally keep that in mind.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

I just wanted to add that protection wise it would be a good idea to give Duncan and his family some unconditional Avalonian Love. An attempt on his life is an attempt to stifle his truth. Perhaps we should all be paying a little more attention to what he is saying, floral language aside.

[Cartomancer]

Let me get this straight. Let's break this down.

We have an argument between one guy who is a genetically bred super soldier and has limited memory of what he has done in the past but he knows he's an assassin. He is ranking on a guy that was insisting that a comet was a spaceship and that there are structures on mars and possibly the moons of mars and is stuck on 19.47 etc. He's piling on Hoagie here as are others right now.

Add to the mix another new age prognosticator Wilcock who has recently taken to wearing space age looking clothing and palling around w/ Ben Fulford. Wilcock may be the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce. And we have the Wellaware guy saying they are all actors. Master thespians. The referee here seems to be Ms. Cassidy. Hmmm......

Meanwhile back in bay city we have Hoagland fearing for his life and being electronically harrassed while SDM seems to be making all of them angry. All's Hoagie needs right now is someone else threatening him. Hoagland needs to realize that there are people out there who would love to scare the crap out of him who have nothing to do w/ the govt' etc. They are just sick pieces who like to terrorize people. They are out there. If "they" don't want Hoagie saying this stuff they would tell him to be quiet by warning first. We should have a reality show based on this stuff. The infrastructure of a lot of this alternative media stuff seems to be crumbling lately. There is a distinct crisis of confidence going on here.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Love is still the answer.

H6G2s6LNQQY

[Heather2017]

If I prove to be wrong, and a number of underground bases really have been destroyed, I will be the first to admit it. But in the meantime, none of this correlates with any information which I understand to be true.


Hi Bill. Thanks for sharing your insights; hope all is well with you in Vilcabamba. Glad to hear you're taking good care of your health. :)

May I ask if you've come across information that indicates underground bases haven't been destroyed (understanding you don't think benevolent ETs would interfere in this way)?

Any thoughts on the August earthquakes in D.C. and Denver?

At the beginning of Inelia's October interview with James Gilliland, she said she'd heard some underground bases had been destroyed, and the information resonated with her pretty strongly. (She'd previously done some remote viewing of an underground base and saw humans experimenting on other humans using alien technology.)

I'm wondering what makes the information ring false for you?

Thanks again.

Heather

[baddbob]

Love is still the answer.

H6G2s6LNQQY

Yes it is just the mind gorilla's and if you cant find the answer in your heart why look. Love IS the Answer and you should feel the truth from within and then fighting over who is right and who is wrong wouldnt really matter because you know in your heart. Any one with good sense should have seen through hoagland and know he is a guy that will follow the money and juggles his agenda to do so.That doesnt mean that he has a right to use his power to try and destroy someones life because they dont believe him,for such an intelgent man he plays a lot of kid games by doing so.

[angellight]

One thing is for sure. Duncan and Miranda are very real, grounded people who are doing everything they can to help others. I know this personally. I contacted Duncan once with a problem I was having. I thought he was one person who could help me. He responded to me immediately and I know for a fact that both he and Miranda helped me. Did what they could for me. I know there were risks involved and they helped me, a stranger, with no hesitation. I thank them from the bottom of my heart.

So, regardless of what opinions Duncan puts on HIS blog or how he chooses to express himself there. It's his place, he can say what he wants knowing that he alone will have to deal with the consequences of sharing those opinions.

I myself, have nothing but, respect and gratitude for Duncan and Miranda.



Blessings,
Angellight

[Circles of TRUTH]

wow I am seeing an old part of myself coming to light in this thread... Firstly who the hell are we to judge and put down someone for showing some anger? It just sounds so self righteous and egotistical to be pointing fingers at others...

I don't know the others but I do know Duncan & Miranda are good down to earth people maybe all sides have a reason for acting the way they have!

[jaybee]

Duncan would say he was part of MK-ultra, not a super-soldier. but a highly trained assassin, with unique abilities. a soldier would follow commands without thinking, Duncan challenged anything he thought was bull$@#$. Don't know bout the Hoagland drama, but Mr Hoagland strikes me as I need to be the center of attention, and you don' t the real story till I TELL you whats really going on. Some in the media think they are soooo smart, na , just have more sources to pull information from that the rest of us. The lie is different at every level H E L L O it's still a lie no matter what level your at..... onwards .. I don't trust him, I don't trust anyone who's hair doesn't move... ha ha ah he he.. if Duncan is pissed at him, thats all I need to know. Duncan tells like it is. I wouldn't want to be on omega 197 's bad side... Hoagland should start kissin some serious booty....I recomend the one cheek approach... I don't want to offend anyone I'm thinking out loud here.....

OMG.I almost choked on my kamut reading that. Agreed. Suspicious hair. Very politician-like.



with the avatar you have that is actually very funny modwiz :p

[jaybee]

As Duncan and quite a lot of people here are 'having a go' at Richard Hoagland...



gRyjGJjj7tg


what is wrong with research + ideas + speculation linking physics and consciousness and connectiveness...?


Richard works with BIG ideas....I love that.

[onawah]

I don't doubt that Duncan is a good guy, but realistically, most people don't know him personally and his background certainly makes him a potentially scary person.
If he is indeed a peaceful and harmless person who is now fully in control of his fighting instincts, I think it would be to his advantage to understand that threatening others with what could be interpreted as violence would tend to paint him in different colors.
And I would imagine he would not want to be seen in this way.
Calling people on BS is one thing, but making scary threats is another, when the threats are coming from someone who's been mind controlled, implanted and trained to be a hired killer.
That seems pretty elementary to me.

[Tahi]

Duncan has updated his Blog... http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Re: Rant, Hoagland, Wilcock, Explanations Thereof

December 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm (News)

First of all, this post is to clarify what I said in the last one that has caused such a firestorm among the different camps. I, today, was dragged forth on the carpet about things I wrote. My direct superior and relative told me in no uncertain terms that my intentions were correct, my thinking was correct, my purpose and reasons were correct, but my delivery — sucked.

And I am to fix it. So, ladies and gentlemen, I am here tonight to fix it. let me start by making a couple of quick points. One, it was brought to my attention that some people on the internet, i.e. forums, are attempting to use my anger and wording into my physically wanting to go after these people. I state unequivocally, there is no truth to this. I don’t do that. Everything I wrote was in a literary sense. I am sorry if some of you did not see it that way.

As I was told, my delivery, i.e. my wording of the post, sucked. I agree. I totally agree. I was, and still am, angry beyond the boiling point. Because I, and others, have seen over the past six months to a year dark shadows taking people over. we have warned about this before. It is no longer a warning that it’s going to happen, it *is* happening.

I make no apologies for saying that I think Hoagland, Wilcock, and several others — their teachings are fraudulent and, in my opinion, are being done to placate some of the masses for financial gain. So I would like to ask all these if they felt their work was still of such importance if they had to give it out for free. Just a thought to ponder.

Now, to the meat of what I have to say: Right now, in this country, and I will only speak of this country — world affairs are not the concern of this post — but in this country, right now, we are one step away from living in a totalitarian society that will surpass anything Hitler or Stalin ever envisioned. One step away.

And one of the problems I have with these two particular gentlemen is that the lord and master of that new society would be their good guy, Lord Obama. Which brings me to my beef with Richard Hoagland.

As I stated before, I shall do so again. What went on between you and Mad Martian (yes I know his real name, I just like Mad Martian) concerning anything to do with Mars, photographs, videos, etc. is of no concern to me. I probably know mor about Mars than most people out there, as I think, richard, you know.

What is of grave concern is the fact that you or Robin, or the both of you, conspired and lied in a criminal act to have Mad Martian institutionalized. Not only is this a criminal offense, it was an act of desperation, it was the actions of someone following the guidelines of the New World Order that you are calling for. That, not only angers me, but it scares the hell out of me. If this plan had succeeded, it would have set a precedent among those in the alternative media community for others to follow.

So each and every one would need to ask ourselves: Would we be next? If we said something or did something or just disagreed with someone higher up the food chain than us, would we be labeled as insane and be committed?

This is not a fantastical question. This is a serious, serious question. If Mad Martian is making this up, then I will be the first to issue a public apology to both you and Robin — on this point only.

Now, on to David Wilcock. Many many people over the past two days have asked the same question: Why in the world are you going after David Wilcock? I’ll give you my answer: In my opinion, and in my experiences, which I will say are quite extensive, two of the greatest threats to the human race right now are the teachings of friendly E.T.s going to come and save everyone, and that of ascension. It’s total baloney, it’s giving people false hope, it is keeping people on their knees, and unwilling to stand up and fight for themselves.

David, I do not know you personally, but I have seen your dossier. I don’t like what I see. I see a salesman selling packaged goods. I put your tactics and your teachings right up there with Jimmy Swaggart and even of Alex Jones. Every talk, every speech, every interview built around buying the next book, the next CD, putting money in the pocket. Again, I ask: Would your information be as important if you were having to give it for free?

Now, my third exposee in this little post. I have no problem with anyone making money. My Gods, Miranda and I would like to make a little bit every once in awhile. It’s getting very old having to rob from both Peter and Paul to pay Thomas every month, but we don’t charge to help people. That’s part of our job, to help those that we can. I know I struck a nerve with the different camps when I fired a shot across the bow. And this is something I will not back down on.

As I said during the speaker’s roundtable, at this last Awake and Aware, my job is that of an enforcer for the group trying to minimize the death of humans and the damage thereof. If people out there wish to continue to condemn us for what we do, so be it. What is amazing to me is that when people like us complain of ill treatment, we are told simply “Grow a thicker skin” or just “Get used to it”. But when some of the media darlings get kicked in the groin, hundreds or thousands come to their aid. In my opinion, that borders on cultism. That is a very dangerous thing.

We have no followers. We ask for no followers. We ask no one to follow us into the lion’s den. We stand with very few. And those very few, suffer because of their companionship with us. That is how serious our lives are.

One last thing before I try to go get warm and get a nap, because I am very very tired: we continue to be berated by a certain group of people that we like to call the love and lighters. I am going to say something and make it very very clear: Love and light is a great thing. It’s necessary, but it is not the end all of everything.

There was a group around the first and second century, a.d. that was filled with tremendous love and light, a group of people I have great respect for. But love and light did not stop the lions. Ladies and gentlemen, the lions are back, and they’re hungry. I am going to leave you with this: To quote David Icke: Human race, get off your knees. I say stop looking at false Messiahs, stop looking at false prophets, stop looking for other hings and other people to save yourselves.

Get off your knees, start fighting for yourselves, get ready for a battle because the lions are back and they’re hungry tonight.

P.S. Randy Maugans would like you to email questions for our interview in a week or so — send questions at offplanetradio.com

[jackovesk]

Can anyone here tell me what Richard Hoagland's view of Phobos is..?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/Phobos_colour_2008.jpg/250px-Phobos_colour_2008.jpg


Phobos ( /ˈfoʊbəs/ foh-bəs; Greek: Φόβος; systematic designation: Mars I) is the larger and closer of the two natural satellites of Mars. Both moons were discovered in 1877. With a mean radius of 11.1 km (6.9 mi), Phobos is 7.24 times as massive as Deimos. It is named after the Greek god Phobos (which means "fear"), a son of Ares (Mars).

A small, irregularly shaped object, Phobos orbits about 9,377 km (5,827 mi) from the center of Mars, closer to its primary than any other known planetary moon. Phobos is one of the least reflective bodies in the Solar System, and features a large impact crater, Stickney crater. It orbits so close to the planet that it moves around Mars faster than Mars itself rotates. As a result, from the surface of Mars it appears to rise in the west, move rapidly across the sky (in 4 h 15 min or less) and set in the east. Due to its short orbital period and tidal interactions, Phobos's orbital radius is decreasing and it will eventually either impact the surface of Mars or break up into a planetary ring.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Phobos_(moon)

Does he say its some kind of Spaceship..???

[Star Tsar]

I understand where Duncan is coming from however I feel its better to work together to get to where we want!
Falling out/Bickering will just slow down the process no?
:)

[jackovesk]

I understand where Duncan is coming from however I feel its better to work together to get to where we want!
Falling out/Bickering will just slow down the process no?
:)

Please feel free to read his post again K.W.B :)

[transiten]

As Carl Jung would Ask of Us All: Are you able to stand in the Paradox of Opposites, to contain it within your own psyche/soul without projecting the Dark onto Another?

As wellinformed as I might be having followed both Wilcock, Icke, Burish, Dean, Jordan, Jones, a Few Women, O'Finian and tons of others i resign to take sides since i don't have enough information and i will never have. Besides Mercury is still retrograde meaning misunderstandings, desinformation, information missing are part of our collective chessplaying here on Earth.

On top of that Erratic Uranus also just went direct in belligerent, oversensitive 1:st degree of Mars ruled Aries...."Mad Martian Case issues"

I actually allow myself to wait for the "Third factor" to step into this Game of Opposites both in my personal life and in the Collective and rest in the reliance on something greater than ourselves: The combined greater consciousness of all of us and of all that exists, an outcome that NOONE FULLY KNOWS IN ADVANCE.

[onawah]

Though I don't agree at all with O'Finioan on a number of points, I think it may actually be a good thing that he may be providing a wake up call for Hoagland and Wilcock.
I agree that both of them seem to have become addicted to the fame and fortune game.
Maybe Duncan will force them to take a closer look at themselves,and that would be good.

And I'm glad he took another look at the way he worded his original blog and backtracked.
Hopefully the goal here is going to be correction and healing and not destruction and revenge for all involved.
Love and Light is indeed important, and will go far towards getting us all where we need to go.
We've got enough aggression, threats and vengeance in the world at large, and sure don't need more of that within the alternative community.

I've said it before; I think Hoagland may be displaying early symptoms of dementia, and if that is the case, what he really needs is a checkup and a diagnosis.
I don't know anything about the Mad Martian case, but for me, it's just further evidence that Hoagland is having serious mental issues if he actually had that man committed.

Wilcock still has a valuable role to play, IMHO, but I do agree he would do well to get his priorities in better order.
Fame can go to anyone's head and cause them to lose their grounding and lose touch with reality.
But that's not a crime, it's just a lesson that we all have to learn at various times in our evolution.

Duncan wrote:
In my opinion, and in my experiences, which I will say are quite extensive, two of the greatest threats to the human race right now are the teachings of friendly E.T.s going to come and save everyone, and that of ascension. It’s total baloney, it’s giving people false hope, it is keeping people on their knees, and unwilling to stand up and fight for themselves.

Well, everyone has their opinion on this, and it's fine for Duncan to have his, but it's still just an opinion,and there are plenty of reasonable and intelligent people who don't agree.
Is he going to go after everyone who doesn't agree with him?

I don't agree that belief in friendly ETs necessarily keeps people on their knees.
In many cases, it gives them hope and empowers them.
We have plenty of proof that ETs have helped us by disarming nuclear missiles and sending a clear message thereby that nuclear war is not going to be permitted.
It was even on CNN!
Is Duncan going to go after every public figure who is talking about this?
There are a lot of them, including Bob Dean, Steven Greer, Richard Dolan, Nassim Haramein, Alex Collier just to name a few.

It's pretty obvious, except to the foolish, that the ETs are not going to do everything for us, and even the foolish will wake up in their own time.
You can't force people to wake up, and if you try, you may actually do more harm than good.
You can provide them with the truth as you see it, but it's their choice what they are going to believe, and if you claim to have a monopoly on truth, then you can bet you will be confronted with a lot of resistance from all directions.

Ascension has many definitions. Some of them are quite reasonable, even verifiable, and some of them are perfectly ludicrous.
To lump all the definitions into one category is much too simplistic.
Again, the foolish are going to believe in a fairy tale, but there are many wise and intelligent, reasonable people who see Ascension happening on a global scale, gradually, one by one, depending on where each individual is in their own evolution.
Many of the children being born now are much more evolved than previous generations, and this is proof that the human genome in general is evolving.
There are unprecedented changes in our whole solar system that are indications that an upgrading is taking place, and there is science to prove it.

Duncan wrote:
Now, my third exposee in this little post. I have no problem with anyone making money. My Gods, Miranda and I would like to make a little bit every once in awhile. It’s getting very old having to rob from both Peter and Paul to pay Thomas every month, but we don’t charge to help people. That’s part of our job, to help those that we can. I know I struck a nerve with the different camps when I fired a shot across the bow. And this is something I will not back down on.

And yet, that's exactly what he's berating David Wilcock for doing--making money.
DW was struggling for a long time before he started making money and if he's taking advantage of the roll he's on now, I don't think he can really be blamed too much for that, though I would like to see him less dazzled by his success and more focused on working on issues of self importance.
But why does Duncan feel that it's his job to draw the line for Wilcock and decide what he should and should not do or be?
Wilcock's work is important and inspirational to a lot of people and that's a good thing.
He is definitely working very hard and bringing a lot of good information to people's attention.
I think he's doing the best he can, and I'm really grateful, as are a lot of people, for the work he's done.
Ditto for Hoagland, though I think his best work is behind him.


Obama is a whole different discussion, but again, attacking people for their opinions is just adding to the mess.
We won't really know who or what Obama is really all about until more of this drama has played itself out.
I think it's still too soon to tell.
In any case, anyone in the office of POTUS now is just a puppet, for the most part.
The problem goes so much deeper, and is so much more widespread.
Even Ron Paul, if he is elected, will also find he is primarily a puppet, until things have changed on a massive scale.
And look at the other options: Mitt Romney? Hilary Clinton?

None of these issues are worth going into self destruct mode over.
It's a free will planet, and the minute we start trying to control what others choose to do, there will be a price to pay.
Voicing an opinion is one thing, but force is another.
It's really that simple.

[Star Tsar]

Well said kinda the point I was trying to drive at!

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Transiten I meant...

[jaybee]

As Duncan and quite a lot of people here are 'having a go' at Richard Hoagland...



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what is wrong with research + ideas + speculation linking physics and consciousness and connectiveness...?


Richard works with BIG ideas....I love that.



What I am seeing is that there is a determined albeit rather crude/basic disinformation campaign sweeping the internet...against Richard Hoagland.

Probably because of the powerful ideas contained in the video that I posted yesterday (see above)...although the campaign against Richard has always been there. It is just being revved up at the moment for some reason.


Google... Mad Martian or Gary Leggiere or Mars revealer (all one and the same) or Michael Vara. And now of course Duncan Ofinioan....to see how extensive it is.


Quite a push going on right now, IMO.

As is evident. (here and elsewhere)

[randymaugans]

Duncan an Miranda know they enjoy support and are both appreciative for the people who stand by them. They also know, as do I, that issue get clouded in any forum by emotions and opinion whic run the gamut---hells yes (ad D would say) people are entitled to their opinions. What goes on in the "background" is where rubber meets road; and there is enormous concern right now (as things ARE heating up in both the US and abroad) about how key media pundits are positioning some near future events. Do not EVER...EVER...believe that there is not an agenda to take people's focus off the issues at hand and misdirect attention into the elite's plans for a desperate final move.

When Richard Hoagland tells you that the Masons/NWO/Illuminati are the SHEPHERDS of humanity (as he did in the July 2011 Red Ice interview, which I posted), understand that is a misdirect, worse it is baiting the traps for a whole boatload of people who WANT to believe. If the selfsame Hoagland is also obfuscating, lying about data, and attempting to silence dissenters (as he has with Andy Basiago, as well as Mad Martian), then he has an agenda. When someone tells you we are entering this wonderful new (age) time when off worlders will liberate us, give us free energy, and unblock our collective chakras (Wilcock), you need to sit up and take notice...darkness comes before the dawn.

There are wonderful people in this arena of disclosure, and some of them are very dear to me (Duncan, Miranda, Bob Dean come to mind)...but there are also plants who have not revealed who they really work for, and there are handlers and gatekeepers who will control what you hear and what you believe---there are "acceptable levels" of disclosure and when lines get crossed the juice is turned up sometimes with horrible results! Each person is their own ascension, their own disclosure project...stop following savants and gurus and tap into the Higher Self.

Anyone who reads my letter to Kerry Cassidy can see where my heart in this Hoagland matter falls: I still have great respect for the work she's done, and a deep desire to open the truth gates up in the Hoagland matter. As I said, I have no dog in this hunt. I have NO, repeat, NO relationships with Michael Vara or Gary; I have supported Camelot's work, and I would hope Kerry will exhibit either more restraint or better judgment than what she presented in her "Layers Of The Onion" article. When mind control is bandied about as a convenient cover up for some serious charges (without direct knowledge or inquiry) it not only minimizes someone like a Gary, but demeans the integrity of all witnesses who may appear to be "unstable", or just unlikable...this is the strategy of "THEM", to use mind control as a convenient foil. It is also the strategy of "them" to plant memes, sow dissent, and use FORCE when necessary to stem embarrassing leaks.
Having seen the results of deep mind control on innocent people, and how manifestly EVIL it actually is....and the tragic results of a fractured mind and personality...the MC meme should NEVER be wielded as a blunt on a legitimate testimony. As I said, following Kerry's logic, we must assume that ALL witnesses are unstable and incapable of presenting testimony which flies in the face of what I thought was Project Camelot's greatest works in the disclosure media space. I would like to see that corrected.


On my website the banner reads:

"Disclosure Is Now...The Truth Is Inside You...The Information Is In Front Of Your Eyes..." Exotic space theories and grandiose new age designs can't hide the level of darkness humanity now dwells in, and that begins with our OWN "human nature"---which is actually almost sub-animal..or perhaps "reptilian"?

Randy Maugans - OffPlanet Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/)





No. Kerry did not respond to my letter, and has not addressed any of the issues I raised there, or in my post on Camelot forum.

Randy Maugans

Patience Randy Patience,

I'm still pretty sure Kerry will come around in due time, you must remember the long association she has had with both Hoagland & Wilcock...

In life as I'm sure you know, its pretty hard to go against your friends. Let alone publically...

By the way (Great Interview) you had with Duncan and Miranda


Miranda's Testimony with Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda Kelly


Duncan O'Finioan Quote:

"I don't give a Rats-Butt about Off-Planet Entities, they can Bleed just like we do and Die just like we do. Its the Inter-Dimentional Entities that Scare the Crap out of me..!"

"We are in a Cosmic War and its all over the Human Soul, because its so Powerful..!"

http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/mirandas-testimony-with-duncan-ofinioan-and-miranda-kelly-pa.html

http://offplanetradio.com/

PS - Please let Duncan know there is still plenty of support for him here at Avalon.

[Bill Ryan]

Duncan has updated his Blog... http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Re: Rant, Hoagland, Wilcock, Explanations Thereof

December 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm (News)

First of all, this post is to clarify what I said in the last one that has caused such a firestorm among the different camps. I, today, was dragged forth on the carpet about things I wrote. My direct superior and relative told me in no uncertain terms that my intentions were correct, my thinking was correct, my purpose and reasons were correct, but my delivery — sucked.

And I am to fix it. So, ladies and gentlemen, I am here tonight to fix it. let me start by making a couple of quick points. One, it was brought to my attention that some people on the internet, i.e. forums, are attempting to use my anger and wording into my physically wanting to go after these people. I state unequivocally, there is no truth to this. I don’t do that. Everything I wrote was in a literary sense. I am sorry if some of you did not see it that way.

As I was told, my delivery, i.e. my wording of the post, sucked. I agree. I totally agree. I was, and still am, angry beyond the boiling point. Because I, and others, have seen over the past six months to a year dark shadows taking people over. we have warned about this before. It is no longer a warning that it’s going to happen, it *is* happening.

I make no apologies for saying that I think Hoagland, Wilcock, and several others — their teachings are fraudulent and, in my opinion, are being done to placate some of the masses for financial gain. So I would like to ask all these if they felt their work was still of such importance if they had to give it out for free. Just a thought to ponder.

Now, to the meat of what I have to say: Right now, in this country, and I will only speak of this country — world affairs are not the concern of this post — but in this country, right now, we are one step away from living in a totalitarian society that will surpass anything Hitler or Stalin ever envisioned. One step away.

And one of the problems I have with these two particular gentlemen is that the lord and master of that new society would be their good guy, Lord Obama. Which brings me to my beef with Richard Hoagland.

As I stated before, I shall do so again. What went on between you and Mad Martian (yes I know his real name, I just like Mad Martian) concerning anything to do with Mars, photographs, videos, etc. is of no concern to me. I probably know mor about Mars than most people out there, as I think, richard, you know.

What is of grave concern is the fact that you or Robin, or the both of you, conspired and lied in a criminal act to have Mad Martian institutionalized. Not only is this a criminal offense, it was an act of desperation, it was the actions of someone following the guidelines of the New World Order that you are calling for. That, not only angers me, but it scares the hell out of me. If this plan had succeeded, it would have set a precedent among those in the alternative media community for others to follow.

So each and every one would need to ask ourselves: Would we be next? If we said something or did something or just disagreed with someone higher up the food chain than us, would we be labeled as insane and be committed?

This is not a fantastical question. This is a serious, serious question. If Mad Martian is making this up, then I will be the first to issue a public apology to both you and Robin — on this point only.

Now, on to David Wilcock. Many many people over the past two days have asked the same question: Why in the world are you going after David Wilcock? I’ll give you my answer: In my opinion, and in my experiences, which I will say are quite extensive, two of the greatest threats to the human race right now are the teachings of friendly E.T.s going to come and save everyone, and that of ascension. It’s total baloney, it’s giving people false hope, it is keeping people on their knees, and unwilling to stand up and fight for themselves.

David, I do not know you personally, but I have seen your dossier. I don’t like what I see. I see a salesman selling packaged goods. I put your tactics and your teachings right up there with Jimmy Swaggart and even of Alex Jones. Every talk, every speech, every interview built around buying the next book, the next CD, putting money in the pocket. Again, I ask: Would your information be as important if you were having to give it for free?

Now, my third exposee in this little post. I have no problem with anyone making money. My Gods, Miranda and I would like to make a little bit every once in awhile. It’s getting very old having to rob from both Peter and Paul to pay Thomas every month, but we don’t charge to help people. That’s part of our job, to help those that we can. I know I struck a nerve with the different camps when I fired a shot across the bow. And this is something I will not back down on.

As I said during the speaker’s roundtable, at this last Awake and Aware, my job is that of an enforcer for the group trying to minimize the death of humans and the damage thereof. If people out there wish to continue to condemn us for what we do, so be it. What is amazing to me is that when people like us complain of ill treatment, we are told simply “Grow a thicker skin” or just “Get used to it”. But when some of the media darlings get kicked in the groin, hundreds or thousands come to their aid. In my opinion, that borders on cultism. That is a very dangerous thing.

We have no followers. We ask for no followers. We ask no one to follow us into the lion’s den. We stand with very few. And those very few, suffer because of their companionship with us. That is how serious our lives are.

One last thing before I try to go get warm and get a nap, because I am very very tired: we continue to be berated by a certain group of people that we like to call the love and lighters. I am going to say something and make it very very clear: Love and light is a great thing. It’s necessary, but it is not the end all of everything.

There was a group around the first and second century, a.d. that was filled with tremendous love and light, a group of people I have great respect for. But love and light did not stop the lions. Ladies and gentlemen, the lions are back, and they’re hungry. I am going to leave you with this: To quote David Icke: Human race, get off your knees. I say stop looking at false Messiahs, stop looking at false prophets, stop looking for other hings and other people to save yourselves.

Get off your knees, start fighting for yourselves, get ready for a battle because the lions are back and they’re hungry tonight.

Amen. One heck of a post from Duncan. Many thanks for reposting it here.

[jackovesk]

"Disclosure Is Now...The Truth Is Inside You...The Information Is In Front Of Your Eyes..."



There is the 'TRUTH' folks, thanks Randy

I just wish more people would start using their own innate 'Discernment & Council' to answer the questions they already know...

[Bill Ryan]

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I just sent this message to Duncan and Miranda:





SUPPORT FOR YOU ON PROJECT AVALON

Duncan, Miranda, you said a great deal that needed to be said. All power to you both. I understand what it is to be a warrior of your nature.

You're fighting for everything that's worth fighting for right now. There are a lot of people in the alternative community who are way on the wrong track, and have been for quite a while.

If you'd like us to create an account for you at the Avalon Forum, it'd be an honor and a privilege -- you'd be very well-protected, and you have MANY friends and supporters there. They're a pretty intelligent and alert crew, most of whom have their feet firmly on the ground and admire and greatly respect your courage, common sense, and commitment.

Warmest wishes to you both -- Bill

[dourpil]

There are a lot of people in the alternative community who are way on the wrong track, and have been for quite a while.


As a simple remark and maybe even a question, I'd like to say according to me, there are no right or wrong tracks. In God's eyes every track is perfect and has a purpose. Could you enlighten me on what you meant if you feel I misunderstood something?

Much Love

[Jean-Luc]

Just a short note on the fly :

Quoting Duncan :


"but in this country, right now, we are one step away from living in a totalitarian society that will surpass anything Hitler or Stalin ever envisioned. One step away."

Still some doubt ? Then just read this : http://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-demanded-power-to-indefinitely-detain-u-s-citizens/

(video 2 min)
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[Cartomancer]

Hoagland: "Gee whiz, if I don't say some outrageous stuff here I may not be booked into Awake and Aware next year. I'll have to lower my speaking fees from 7k to 5k.

Wilcock: "You're right George, I better go find a new space age wardrobe to interview Fulford. I'm also scheduled to run into some top secret info in a greasy spoon diner tonight."

There's only so much money in the "alternative" press guys.

[christian]

I know nothing about the Mad Martin issue, but if true, Duncan is spot on when it comes to its significance. But still, Alex Jones triggered many people's awakening to the police state, many people rediscovered their spirituality thanks to David Wilcock and similar positive things can be said about all the others. No one is a jack of all trades device apparently, that's where each one's individual discernment comes into play, when going through information. I appreciate all the people out there, but I don't follow anyone blindly. By the way, people thinking that E.T.s come to beam us away are a very tiny minority, I find, but it's true that we are being helped, of course we are, that's just as real as us being enslaved from malevolent E.T.s, eventually it's up to us anyways and from my understanding ascension boils down to becoming increasingly aware of our magical potential, there's nothing wrong with that.

I very much appreciate Duncan's effort and clarification nevertheless, there's nothing but genuine good intentions behind it, this is obvious I find, kudos. It's just that his interpretation and application of personal responsibilty far exceeds those of many, that's why people are quite likely to be irritated. He offers quite a lesson in discernment :)

[Kimberley]

There are a lot of people in the alternative community who are way on the wrong track, and have been for quite a while.


As a simple remark and maybe even a question, I'd like to say according to me, there are no right or wrong tracks. In God's eyes every track is perfect and has a purpose. Could you enlighten me on what you meant if you feel I misunderstood something?

Much Love

I am with you dourpil!!

This thread just came to my attention this morning and I have read the whole thing up to this point...what a couple of weeks this has been ... wow!! I have spent the last couple of hour writing this....

We are all here to learn and grow... we will never stop learning and growing... we are infinite beings. No one is better than or lesser than anyone else! There is no right or wrong! Yes, Yes, yes there IS darker and lighter. We each get to chose what energy we want to reside in in each moment. We create our individual unique "reality". What energy one resides in is what they create. I personally chose to reside in the light most of the time... do I have moments in the dark? Of course I do or I would not be in human form. I have been on the ascension path my whole life and my life has gotten lighter and lighter day by day. That has been my choice and it is a fun place to be so I chose to stay on the ascension path.

My life now in comparison to my life the first 45 years of it is now as close to heaven on earth as I have ever been and it keeps getting more heaven like everyday. And I am here now doing the "job" I signed up for and that is to help remind those that want to be reminded that we are all powerful creators every single one of us and there has been a dark cycle on planet earth the past 24,000 years. So very many of us are at the end of that cycle and will be/are part of moving into the next cycle that is a cycle of light. Some will chose/ have chosen to repeat in another dark cycle and others are moving into a light cycle (ascending). There is no right or wrong or good or bad. However there will always be light and dark. And the path to freedom and heaven on earth is non judgement.

Here is a profound quote that came to my attention several years ago that brought this all together for me --- Forgiveness from Annalee Skarin

"And now my beloved I will give again the sacred keys on which the forgiveness of your sin is based. Forgive and you shall be forgiven. Those who can not forgive can not be forgiven. The very core of being forgiven is contained in the ability to forgive. Those who carry their grudges and hates and spirit of retaliation with them are carrying a burden of such deep darkness. They become acutely clothed in the darkness of their own dislikes. And so I speak gently these words for all have sinned. Your own great release will come when you can forgive. If you can not forgive you are carrying upon your shoulders your neighbors, your brothers failures and transgressions and you are also carrying the burden of your own sins, weaknesses, innumerable errors, and mistakes . When I commanded you to judge not lest you be judged, I was revealing the great eternal law by which you would escape the great judgement. "

And then I came to learn/remember If you do not judge there is nothing to forgive!

When we take full responsibility for everything that is in our reality we are free. And that means that we each get to discern for ourselves what feels dark and what feels light and we all see things differently.

Let me give a few examples of this... I do not like cake or ice cream very much so I do not eat them. Do I judge those that do like cake and ice cream as wrong or stupid? Of course not. The energy of George W. Bush does not feel very light to me but there are many that like him. I do not judge those that like him as right or wrong. I view it as a differing of perception or opinion. I like David Wilcock a lot I have spent time with him in person, I have had hours of conversation with him on the phone. I have watched him grow over the past 5 years. I realize that others have a very different opinion of him. But I am not going to defend him or myself and I do not judge those with differing opinions about him as wrong. I recognize that they are entitled to their opinion.

So the point of this is the question when are those of us/you that claim to be "fighting the good fight " going to stop fighting about the lesser details, going to realize that fighting feeds the fire, feeds the dark?

Because when you get to the core of that the fighting stops.

And then when you get beyond fighting at all and not judging to just being and loving, and accepting that there is no good or bad, or right or wrong and begin letting life happen and enjoying the ride you have then created all by your own power and then you have created/ are creating heaven on earth.

Much love to us all always in all ways!! :luv:

[13th Warrior]

It sounds like Duncan is under a lot of pressure; I hope he can channel his anger for the good?

[etm567]

I thought Duncan's tone was actually kind of playful... in an jackwagon asshat sort of way. This is the tone taken by military culture after talking with the boys after a couple of beers. The hostility is due to having his feelings hurt at A&A, which was the straw that broke the proverbial super-soldier back. He's been through a lot, and sometimes its hard not to be heard; especially when the folks doing all the talking have had really easy lives filled with lots of fine meats and cheeses. Being in front of crowds is hard for Duncan; it was hard for him to assert himself. It was traumatic. He needed to blow off some steam, but he's harmless.

Can you share with us who are not in the know what happened at Awake and Aware to hurt Duncan's feelings? It would help the discussion, as the rest of us would have a clue what we're actually talking about.

Many thanks,

[Star Tsar]

Well Duncan didn't get half the time to speak that Richard got and Sean wouldn't shut up...

[Tommy]

This certainly has very little to do with Awake and Aware except the fact that Duncan did not like the end of Richard's presentation (well, honestly, neither did I).

Duncan and Miranda could decide for them-self how long they wanted to hold the stage, hence the reason we gave them Friday as our schedule for the evening was very flexible.

I connected well with Duncan and Co, almost like far out relatives meeting again after a long time apart. Beautiful strong people with so much to offer :) Heartwarming it was..

Personally I understand Duncan's frustrations very well, except we are on different ends of the information flow.

I am pretty sure the frustrations vented lately has little to do with A&A 2011, but more the general state of the planet and the people on it.

Just my two cents from what I gathered

[Daft Ada]

For those of you who are asking what is this stuff with mad martian, you can read it here http://beforeitsnews.com/story/1427/830/Richard_Hoaglands_Dark_Mission:_Coverups,_Lies,_and_Calling_for_a_New_World_Order.html?currentSplitt edPage=1
I like Duncan, I just get a good feeling when I have watched him for some time in different interviews and talks that he is a very fair and just person. I understand his last post because when I read what Hoaglands wife had supposedly done to Mad Martian I felt mad too. If it's true she must be brought to justice as it was a criminal act and certainly not the behaviour of a trustworthy doctor.

Now having said that, While I feel the same about Hoagland as most, and I have made that clear on this forum, I don't see much here in the innocent camp, first of all I find it hard to believe the a practising doctor would actually act, by way of actually getting the heavies in with a view to carting Mad Martian off to the nut house, just on the say so of a phone call from a person claiming to be a doctor on the telephone? I would imagine it is a bit more involved than that.
I am really pleased that Duncan is going to make it his business to get to the truth and I hope he does. I would certainly be glad to see him here Bill.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

I would love it if duncan joined avalon!

[Star Tsar]

Hey guys just found this on Andrew D Basiago's website The house lays right into him saying that he has hidden pictures of Mars from us, Says that their is a code to describe what coming up for us and that he is a Mason....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HgPOm_w73Ec#!

taken from this website:

[URL="http://exotica-radio.com/articles/2011/11/27/unmasking-richard-hoagland.html#entry13880738"]

What do you guys think?

PS hope this is not already posted!

[Star Tsar]

Even better!

http://www.latenightinthemidlands.com/page/richard-c-hogland

[Logan]

Is there any footage of Hoagland's presentation from A&A?

[Yoda]

Duncan an Miranda know they enjoy support and are both appreciative for the people who stand by them.

Randy Maugans

PS - Please let Duncan know there is still plenty of support for him here at Avalon.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]

Randy, I don't know if my personal message got through to him. I certainely support Duncan and Miranda, and I definitely resonate to the urgency and what's at stake!

Pierre
www.energy-oneness.com

[Houman]

http://mindcontrolblackassassins.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/obama252.jpg?w=300&h=119

On the left Terry Richardson, he gave you
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2007/09/parisvoguedeux.jpg
and
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2007/09/parisvoguequatre.jpg
and more
http://jezebel.com/302809/french-vogue-devil-worship-is-the-new-black


Just a short note on the fly :

Quoting Ducan :


"but in this country, right now, we are one step away from living in a totalitarian society that will surpass anything Hitler or Stalin ever envisioned. One step away."

Still some doubt ? Then just read this : http://www.infowars.com/obama-administration-demanded-power-to-indefinitely-detain-u-s-citizens/

(video 2 min)
PLiKvSz_wX8

[hangel]

Even better!

http://www.latenightinthemidlands.com/page/richard-c-hogland

I followed the link given here by K.W.B (thanks)... and despite the whole heated and serious debate about the subject I just could stop laughing... :rolleyes: .... I watched these episodes of RH's UFO_Diaries... These ladies - researching photos of Mars and measuring distances - they wear white lab coats as they draw lines on photos. The producers must have had a good sense of humour and great belief that this would add some 'scientific' authenticity to RH's program.

I am not sure what is the probability of any chemical/biological contamination of the Martian surface by those ladies or the ladies by the surface if it comes to analysing photos. White lab coats are restricted to the wet (bio)chemical labs, where most of the time this protective outfit is associated with safety goggles and nitrile/latex gloves. It is forbidden by H&S regulations to sit at the desk or even enter an office areas in such coat. Never heard of astronomers at work being in need for white lab coat.

I can think of one other place where white coat would be appropriate - milk factory. Its possible that they have one on Mars.

This 'cheesy' UFO program brought me to a conclusion: Why on earth (or Mars) people go to so much effort to make themselves look more 'scientific'? Science is simple, it doesnt need big and difficult words. In real scientific research people must be able to express their findings in a simple way. This is fundamental requirement in writing any publication - your editor and students must be able to understand you!

So I suggest simple solution: lets change the name of RH's program to "UFO_dairies" as this makes more sense to the consumer.
:cow:

Coming back to Duncan: It would be lovely to see him here. And as it looks from his updated blog, he didnt intend to divide this community. If he has some unfinished business to DW and RH lets leave him to handle this, because we dont know the whole picture.

PS: Goat cheeses are nice too...

[13th Warrior]

I'm afraid that Duncan(if he was here) would have a hard time of playing nice and wouldn't be long before he was unsubscribed...

[etm567]

... I see nothing wrong with people asking for donations or charging for CD's. These things cost time and money to get out there. These folks have all dedicated their life to telling and researching what they think is the truth, they are not getting rich off of it. ...


Basically I agree with you there. But does this now extend to the point that only those who paid for the conference or paid to stream it may receive the info that was presented in it, secondhand? Excuse me, but that is reverting to the Middle Ages. This information is not in my local library, which is a pretty good source for most, more mainstream information -- you don't necessarily have to buy the book to be allowed to read it.

I haven't read this thread to the end yet, so maybe someone will speak about what happened before I get to the end, but I'm having computer problems and I won't necessarily make it right now.

So I shall come right out and ask. And I will state that I don't automatically believe any one of these folks. I listen to Duncan, Richard, David and Sean all without feeling that I know who is telling the truth or who isn't. I do have one disclaimer: both Ben Fulford and David Wilcock (same goes for Bill and Kerry, too) are reporting what they hear from their sources, and what they judge to be true, but as I have always understood them, they are doing their best at figuring out what is the truth and themselves recognize that everything they hear and then repeat may not actually be true. It is a judgment call. They are reporting information that they come by under difficult circumstances. So I don't believe Kerry or Bill or Ben or David, any one of them, is a disinformation agent who is deliberately leading us astray.

So, as far as I'm concerned, they could all be quite honest, and be reporting different stories.

I'm less sure about Richard Hoagland, but my impression of him is not that he is dishonest so much as he is more than a little bit pedantic and rigid. That in itself is enough to be very interesting to quite a few of us, I would imagine, but [even I don't know what I meant here! LOL] once again being a pedant doesn't necessarily make one dishonest.

So there's plenty of room for honest disagreement among all the players.

But, really, folks, would someone please tell those of us who cannot afford to attend or pay to stream these things what happened? Or do we not have the right to know? Is it a privilege to be held for the few? For the elite? Really?

I don't think the fact that they charge for the show or the stream means that you can't share with others what happened. And if you really believe that to be the case, I am truly saddened beyond expression.

At least David always makes sure to release some of his info for nothing. And there is plenty on his site for free.

To be out in the open with my problem, I had a good career, but I have a chronic nasty illness, most likely caused by the government, as far as I'm concerned. I was the main bread winner for my family, and we still have a daughter at home. (But not for long; she's a high school senior.) I was put on disability without asking for it. I didn't want it. Couldn't afford it.

We now are one of those families with a mortgage that's under water. We don't have enough money to buy food to the end of each month. My daughter needs shoes and coats and underwear, not to mention college application fees. We grow most of our fresh vegetables in the summer, but it is winter now.

I cannot afford to pay for this stuff. It comes out of my daughter's mouth, and takes the clothes off her back.

They turn off our heat a few times each year. And our electricity.

Sorry to whine, but my family are among a very, very, very large group of people who have been hit hard by all this. So please don't tell me my economic circumstances mean I lose the right to understand what the hell this conversation is about. There are lots of us. Hey, we are the 99%.

Please, what happened at Awake and Aware 2011?

I know we weren't hit by Elenin. I didn't think we would be. I don't know about the underground bunkers. It's certainly possible. I like Duncan O'Finioian [sp?] very much, and I hope he clears this up with the other guys.

Don't know much about Sean David Morton, but I have always found him interesting, at least. I have no idea what behavior Bill is talking about, as I am one of the unprivileged hoi polloi. My bad? I don't think so.

This whole post might as well be in another language, one that excludes the majority of the population. Because we are too hard up financially to play with you guys, apparently.

Ellen

[modwiz]

Duncan an Miranda know they enjoy support and are both appreciative for the people who stand by them. They also know, as do I, that issue get clouded in any forum by emotions and opinion whic run the gamut---hells yes (ad D would say) people are entitled to their opinions. What goes on in the "background" is where rubber meets road; and there is enormous concern right now (as things ARE heating up in both the US and abroad) about how key media pundits are positioning some near future events. Do not EVER...EVER...believe that there is not an agenda to take people's focus off the issues at hand and misdirect attention into the elite's plans for a desperate final move.

When Richard Hoagland tells you that the Masons/NWO/Illuminati are the SHEPHERDS of humanity (as he did in the July 2011 Red Ice interview, which I posted), understand that is a misdirect, worse it is baiting the traps for a whole boatload of people who WANT to believe. If the selfsame Hoagland is also obfuscating, lying about data, and attempting to silence dissenters (as he has with Andy Basiago, as well as Mad Martian), then he has an agenda. When someone tells you we are entering this wonderful new (age) time when off worlders will liberate us, give us free energy, and unblock our collective chakras (Wilcock), you need to sit up and take notice...darkness comes before the dawn.

There are wonderful people in this arena of disclosure, and some of them are very dear to me (Duncan, Miranda, Bob Dean come to mind)...but there are also plants who have not revealed who they really work for, and there are handlers and gatekeepers who will control what you hear and what you believe---there are "acceptable levels" of disclosure and when lines get crossed the juice is turned up sometimes with horrible results! Each person is their own ascension, their own disclosure project...stop following savants and gurus and tap into the Higher Self.

Anyone who reads my letter to Kerry Cassidy can see where my heart in this Hoagland matter falls: I still have great respect for the work she's done, and a deep desire to open the truth gates up in the Hoagland matter. As I said, I have no dog in this hunt. I have NO, repeat, NO relationships with Michael Vara or Gary; I have supported Camelot's work, and I would hope Kerry will exhibit either more restraint or better judgment than what she presented in her "Layers Of The Onion" article. When mind control is bandied about as a convenient cover up for some serious charges (without direct knowledge or inquiry) it not only minimizes someone like a Gary, but demeans the integrity of all witnesses who may appear to be "unstable", or just unlikable...this is the strategy of "THEM", to use mind control as a convenient foil. It is also the strategy of "them" to plant memes, sow dissent, and use FORCE when necessary to stem embarrassing leaks.
Having seen the results of deep mind control on innocent people, and how manifestly EVIL it actually is....and the tragic results of a fractured mind and personality...the MC meme should NEVER be wielded as a blunt on a legitimate testimony. As I said, following Kerry's logic, we must assume that ALL witnesses are unstable and incapable of presenting testimony which flies in the face of what I thought was Project Camelot's greatest works in the disclosure media space. I would like to see that corrected.


On my website the banner reads:

"Disclosure Is Now...The Truth Is Inside You...The Information Is In Front Of Your Eyes..." Exotic space theories and grandiose new age designs can't hide the level of darkness humanity now dwells in, and that begins with our OWN "human nature"---which is actually almost sub-animal..or perhaps "reptilian"?

Randy Maugans - OffPlanet Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/)





No. Kerry did not respond to my letter, and has not addressed any of the issues I raised there, or in my post on Camelot forum.

Randy Maugans

Patience Randy Patience,

I'm still pretty sure Kerry will come around in due time, you must remember the long association she has had with both Hoagland & Wilcock...

In life as I'm sure you know, its pretty hard to go against your friends. Let alone publically...

By the way (Great Interview) you had with Duncan and Miranda


Miranda's Testimony with Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda Kelly

[QUOTE]Duncan O'Finioan Quote:

"I don't give a Rats-Butt about Off-Planet Entities, they can Bleed just like we do and Die just like we do. Its the Inter-Dimentional Entities that Scare the Crap out of me..!"

"We are in a Cosmic War and its all over the Human Soul, because its so Powerful..!"


PS - Please let Duncan know there is still plenty of support for him here at Avalon.

I like Duncan. He carries a lot of scars, with dignity but not finesse. Who cares? I want him to know he has support and I am one who supports him. Warts be damned. It was decent of him to repost and soften his words, but unnecessary IMO. He's a warrior, for Odin's sake!

The above highlighted section is what it's all about. Somebody who knows the real adversary.

[motherlove]

etm567 your situation sounds like a difficult one shared by more people in the world right now than we can possibly know. I agree that it would appear that being poor means being uninformed. Possibly people are hesitant to share the interview you request due to copy right issues I don't know for sure but I don't think that avalonians would withhold or ignore if it was important. Best Wishes

[jackovesk]

I know nothing about the Mad Martin issue, but if true, Duncan is spot on when it comes to its significance. But still, Alex Jones triggered many people's awakening to the police state, many people rediscovered their spirituality thanks to David Wilcock and similar positive things can be said about all the others. No one is a jack of all trades device apparently, that's where each one's individual discernment comes into play, when going through information. I appreciate all the people out there, but I don't follow anyone blindly. By the way, people thinking that E.T.s come to beam us away are a very tiny minority, I find, but it's true that we are being helped, of course we are, that's just as real as us being enslaved from malevolent E.T.s, eventually it's up to us anyways and from my understanding ascension boils down to becoming increasingly aware of our magical potential, there's nothing wrong with that.

I very much appreciate Duncan's effort and clarification nevertheless, there's nothing but genuine good intentions behind it, this is obvious I find, kudos. It's just that his interpretation and application of personal responsibilty far exceeds those of many, that's why people are quite likely to be irritated. He offers quite a lesson in discernment :)

What I'd like to take out from the 'above' is this...


But still, Alex Jones triggered many people's awakening to the police state

I agree Chiquetet, and will add...

Love him or Hate him - Alex Jones has 'Woken Up' more people Re: What the NWO & their Minions are up to, more than anyone else on the Planet barr none...

For 16 years he's been at it 12 - 16 Hrs/Day, and unlike Hoagland & Wilcock he can back up about 98+% of what he says with (FACT)..!

I have no problem with Alex charging for his Video's, Prison Planet TV, etc...I personally have not paid for any of his information because its all online for (Free)

...and many of you (If you so choose) have seen quite a number of my Alex Jones Threads here at Avalon...

And if he did'nt ask for some $money, it would be impossible for him to get ALL that information out to the public for (Free)...

IMHO it was wrong of Duncan to bring Alex's name into this debate in the 1st place...

I listen to Alex's show every day for (Free), and if I ever thought he was steering me in the wrong direction, I would be one of the 1st to speak up..!

And Finally, if he gets something Wrong, he's Man enough to (Publically) admit it.

[smiller113]

I'm with you on that etm; I would also like to know what happened.
The really scary thing about these threats from O'Finioan, for those who are not familiar with him, is that he was one of the "super soldiers" created by a black ops program, trained to kill and bio-enhanced to be a very lethal killing machine.
I kind of doubt that those threats were idle, but even so, just because he was the source of those threats makes them exponentially more sinister and intimidating than they would be coming from an ordinary person.
Imagine standing on a stage with that guy, who obviously has a bad temper and who could probably kill you in a matter of seconds if he chose to!
I don't imagine this is going to do much for his career.
It looks like his own efforts to de-program himself from the violent mentality that was programmed into him haven't gone nearly deep enough.
And to hold such hostility towards other whistelblowers, who, although they may not be perfect, seems to indicate some real imbalance.
If he really wants to go after somebody, there are certainly a lot of individuals more deserving of his wrath than Wilcock and Hoagland.
He'd be a good candidate for membership in the White Dragon Society, if there really is such a thing, whose targets for retribution are the Bushes and Cheneys of this world.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mCBYJnb8hk&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNaftbteHe8&feature=related

[jaybee]

[snip]
On my website the banner reads:

"Disclosure Is Now...The Truth Is Inside You...The Information Is In Front Of Your Eyes..." Exotic space theories and grandiose new age designs can't hide the level of darkness humanity now dwells in, and that begins with our OWN "human nature"---which is actually almost sub-animal..or perhaps "reptilian"?

Randy Maugans - OffPlanet Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/)





No. Kerry did not respond to my letter, and has not addressed any of the issues I raised there, or in my post on Camelot forum.

Randy Maugans

Patience Randy Patience,

I'm still pretty sure Kerry will come around in due time, you must remember the long association she has had with both Hoagland & Wilcock...

In life as I'm sure you know, its pretty hard to go against your friends. Let alone publically...

By the way (Great Interview) you had with Duncan and Miranda


Miranda's Testimony with Duncan O'Finioan and Miranda Kelly

[QUOTE]Duncan O'Finioan Quote:

"I don't give a Rats-Butt about Off-Planet Entities, they can Bleed just like we do and Die just like we do. Its the Inter-Dimentional Entities that Scare the Crap out of me..!"

"We are in a Cosmic War and its all over the Human Soul, because its so Powerful..!"


PS - Please let Duncan know there is still plenty of support for him here at Avalon.

I like Duncan. He carries a lot of scars, with dignity but not finesse. Who cares? I want him to know he has support and I am one who supports him. Warts be damned. It was decent of him to repost and soften his words, but unnecessary IMO. He's a warrior, for Odin's sake!

The above highlighted section is what it's all about. Somebody who knows the real adversary.


Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman


I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....


How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Being scared and confused could weaken you but that's all. IMO

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

[karelia]

Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....

How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Being scared and confused could weaken you but that's all. IMO

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

The danger is that you and others don't KNOW about this cosmic war. You give your soul away without even realising. The same principle is you being asked your name by some authority and you give it, which means you enter a contract, and you have no idea you did so. Read up and learn. It's not easy by any means. But it's the right thing to do.

[jaybee]

Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....

How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Being scared and confused could weaken you but that's all. IMO

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

The danger is that you and others don't KNOW about this cosmic war. You give your soul away without even realising. The same principle is you being asked your name by some authority and you give it, which means you enter a contract, and you have no idea you did so. Read up and learn. It's not easy by any means. But it's the right thing to do.


Excuse me? I don't give my 'soul' away to anyone......do you?

And the so-called Cosmic War is just a human idea....speculation. Again IMO.

[karelia]

No, I don't. But I'm well aware of the possibilities. The so-called Cosmic War is not just a human idea. Focus on finding the truth instead of stroking your ego. You'll get there and find the answer.

[dourpil]

The danger is that you and others don't KNOW about this cosmic war. You give your soul away without even realising. The same principle is you being asked your name by some authority and you give it, which means you enter a contract, and you have no idea you did so. Read up and learn. It's not easy by any means. But it's the right thing to do.

- How do YOU know about the "cosmic war"? Could you provide links and infos please?
- How can you give your soul away and enter a contract without knowing it? What about free will?
- If there's a cosmic war, what's it to do with us, here and now? (except from the soul give-away)

Thanks :)

[transiten]

Well is this scary fearmongering issues altogether or what?

Even if i spent my entire days trying to find the truth about this i wouldn't succeed. If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. I've been brainwashed myself with horrible consequences and my current 12th house Mars transit conjoining my Mars/Saturn conjunction there surely awakenes that trauma.

Where does Duncan turn to in the midst of all this? Does he have any spiritual beliefs apart from "cosmic wars" and the unjustices he's the victim of?

Today we celebrate "Lucia" in Sweden, young girls dressed in white carrying candles singing to announce Christmas. Even if i don't believe in it the orthodox way it's a symbol of peace and light trying to have it's say in all this mess.

[jackovesk]

Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....

How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Being scared and confused could weaken you but that's all. IMO

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

The danger is that you and others don't KNOW about this cosmic war. You give your soul away without even realising. The same principle is you being asked your name by some authority and you give it, which means you enter a contract, and you have no idea you did so. Read up and learn. It's not easy by any means. But it's the right thing to do.

Excuse me? I don't give my 'soul' away to anyone......do you?

And the so-called Cosmic War is just a human idea....speculation. Again IMO.

Hard to Phathom I Know jaybee,

But I urge you to view this Thread which may just change your mind..?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36307--True-Story--of-a-Man-Taken-for--10-Days--to-an-Extraterrestrial-Civilization..-

If nothing else you might Learn about (Humanity's Hidden History) that the TPTW have fought so hard to keep from us and How the Universe actually works...

...and backs up some of what Duncan was saying about Interdimentional Entities...

Rgs,

Jack

[Calz]

If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. m

Wilcock (and Fulford) have delivered on some of the promised "goods" so perhaps that will take a bit of "heat" off his integrity questions:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

This is something real and now proven (lawsuit has been filed).

[modwiz]

If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. m

Wilcock (and Fulford) have delivered on some of the promised "goods" so perhaps that will take a bit of "heat" off his integrity questions:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

This is something real and now proven (lawsuit has been filed).

Just finished reading the interview with Fulford that DW posted. Interesting and believable reading. Very practical ideas being talked about. If all you are looking for is a saner world to begin to be discussed it is very heartening.

[jaybee]

Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bogeyman

I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....

How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Being scared and confused could weaken you but that's all. IMO

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

The danger is that you and others don't KNOW about this cosmic war. You give your soul away without even realising. The same principle is you being asked your name by some authority and you give it, which means you enter a contract, and you have no idea you did so. Read up and learn. It's not easy by any means. But it's the right thing to do.

Excuse me? I don't give my 'soul' away to anyone......do you?

And the so-called Cosmic War is just a human idea....speculation. Again IMO.

Hard to Phathom I Know jaybee,

But I urge you to view this Thread which may just change your mind..?

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36307--True-Story--of-a-Man-Taken-for--10-Days--to-an-Extraterrestrial-Civilization..-

If nothing else you might Learn about (Humanity's Hidden History) that the TPTW have fought so hard to keep from us and How the Universe actually works...

...and backs up some of what Duncan was saying about Interdimentional Entities...

Rgs,

Jack


Thanks...I'll look at that later....


I don't have time for 'fear porn' a term coined by Richard C H....and this is why I am very wary when stuff like 'Cosmic War' is banded about as if it were a fact.


Transiten mentioned 'brainwashing' earlier...and I think this is more important to be aware of, rather than the unproven? inter-dimensional 'bogeyman'....


Bad stuff that humans do to other humans. To each other. On many levels.

(For the record....I'm into all the other stuff and I do think that there are inter-dimensional beings...probably coming into our physical reality as well. It's a huge subject. I just don't buy the Cosmic War thing. I just personally don't think there is anything to fear from inter-dimensionals.)

On the subject of 'man's inhumanity to man'....


I've just tracked down something from the Project Camelot website...the transcript of the interview with Duncan...


Now this is possibly one of the most heart-breaking + distressing things I have seen on the internet.

It haunted me for quite a while when I watched the interview, way back... and it is still a shock to the system re-reading it now. If there's something guarenteed to 'get me going' it's cruelty to children. (well anyone, but especially children) And what Duncan related is very upsetting and my heart goes out to him for what he suffered.

I don't consider this 'fear porn'.....but something that has to be faced and attempted to be understood....especially in the light of this thread.


http://projectcamelot.org/lang/en/duncan_o_finioan_interview_transcript_en.html

D: In 1966 there were supposed to have been 1000 kids taken that were in my group. There are only about 20 of us left now. I think what I have to explain. We were actually at 6, 7 years old put into survival defense. Our personalities were split. Any normal kid, any normal person would not do the things we did in their right frame of minds. So, they had to split our personalities and they had a clean slate with that new personality, had no rhyme, no reason, no right, no wrong, no concept so they made it into what they wanted it to be. This is how they split my personality. Now, I don’t know, I’m sure they did the same identical thing to other people, but I know for a fact not to each one. There were different techniques for different kids. How they described it to me when I was a kid was “These were your treatments”, almost medical terminology. Imagine being six years old... and the funny thing is I can describe this with very little emotion because it happened to me, not something I did. You’re strapped naked to a wooden chair, arms out like this, you’re strapped, here, here and here. Your fingertips are spread open and things are inserted here so you can’t do this (moving hand and fingers over table) and I know you noticed because I saw it in your minds and I saw it in your eyes, I have a phobia about my fingertips. What they did was they inserted needles underneath the fingertips. That’s bad enough, hook those needles up to an electric current and turn it on. Waterboarding is where you basically drown the person and bring then back them back and in my case they did it two ways, strapped to a chair and they took a water hose and sprayed it at you until you couldn’t breath and then they’d bring you back and I remember having my head dunked. That’s why I don’t swim.

K: Now, what would be the purpose of that?

D: To cause pain - intense pain. What happens when the body and the psychic goes through the amount of pain that it can tolerate, you black out, you pass out, you faint. Well, the Germans brought over a drug with them. Once injected it blocks those receptors. You can’t black out, you can’t even force yourself to faint. So, once the psychic gets to a point where it can’t take any more you have two choices, split off into another personality, you save yourself or die.

K: Ok, I understand, when the pain becomes too much the way you’re able to survive and stay together mentally is actually to go someplace else?

D: Exactly.

K: And you go so far someplace else that you’re actually creating another personality?

D: Exactly, you create a totally separate individual to where they can pull out that ultimate personality and one second I’m me and next second I’m somebody else. Now, I’m back to me. That’s how they wanted you.


I had to break off from the forum earlier and give my daughter a lift to work and as I was driving and pondering on this thread...the above drifted into my mind.


Not so sure now if it's a good idea to post it....don't want to bring anyone down.

BUT....I'm going to post it anyway.


cheers

[K626]

Looking forward to 2012. Some big names will be going down and their scams unfurled.

YOU can't hold US back. There is just too many of US.

Peace

K2

[jaybee]

Well is this scary fearmongering issues altogether or what?

Even if i spent my entire days trying to find the truth about this i wouldn't succeed. If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. I've been brainwashed myself with horrible consequences and my current 12th house Mars transit conjoining my Mars/Saturn conjunction there surely awakenes that trauma.

Where does Duncan turn to in the midst of all this? Does he have any spiritual beliefs apart from "cosmic wars" and the unjustices he's the victim of?

Today we celebrate "Lucia" in Sweden, young girls dressed in white carrying candles singing to announce Christmas. Even if i don't believe in it the orthodox way it's a symbol of peace and light trying to have it's say in all this mess.


seasons greetings....:thumb:


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beautiful

[Corncrake]

Calz - thanks for the Divine Cosmos link. I haven't visited there for a while. I have just spent 2 hours catching up on the $134.5 billion bearer bonds story and the Fulford interview. All very interesting and eventually quite uplifting too. I look forward to developments.

[transiten]

If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. m

Wilcock (and Fulford) have delivered on some of the promised "goods" so perhaps that will take a bit of "heat" off his integrity questions:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

This is something real and now proven (lawsuit has been filed).

Thanks Calz! we've been waiting for this, only yesterday pple on DC were impatient wondering why David took so long.

And jaybee thanks for the video! I still don't know how to insert them:luv:

[Adam Greenland]

Have only read the first page at the time of posting.

A few points:

- From watching a lot of presentations, listening to interviews, and reading his books, Hoagland is most likely a mason.
- He is not an NWO shill.
- Apart from the election, he has NEVER predicted an event WOULD happen.

[Adam Greenland]

Another thing that doesn't sit well with me in this:

This controversy, (and the original Hoagland and Robin controversy from a few weeks back), seem to be followed up with plugs for little-known radio shows.

Comes across like a case of going after the "popular" alternative personalities,
Making a name for yourself in the process,
And sending some traffic to unknown, internet radio stations.

[Logan]

I take no stock in He Said/She Said sort of stuff. Hoagland is a brilliant man, and deserves respect. I am not a "sheep" who follows anyone blindly. I like listening to theories and ideas, and forming my own opinions based on the data presented. I don't follow anyone.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.

[Adam Greenland]

I take no stock in He Said/She Said sort of stuff. Hoagland is a brilliant man, and deserves respect. I am not a "sheep" who follows anyone blindly. I like listening to theories and ideas, and forming my own opinions based on the data presented. I don't follow anyone.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.


Indeed.

He is a showman, and is becoming prone to speculation lately (he needs to if he wants to stay relevant). But I wouldn't call laying out possible scenarios "predicting the future" or "crying wolf".


All I can say is from my own experiences and research, Hoagland's picture of "everything" comes closer to the true picture of the universe than any of the rambling stories we get from the people he shares a platform with.

[Cartomancer]

I take no stock in He Said/She Said sort of stuff. Hoagland is a brilliant man, and deserves respect. I am not a "sheep" who follows anyone blindly. I like listening to theories and ideas, and forming my own opinions based on the data presented. I don't follow anyone.

This sounds like sour grapes to me.


Indeed.

He is a showman, and is becoming prone to speculation lately (he needs to if he wants to stay relevant). But I wouldn't call laying out possible scenarios "predicting the future" or "crying wolf".


All I can say is from my own experiences and research, Hoagland's picture of "everything" comes closer to the true picture of the universe than any of the rambling stories we get from the people he shares a platform with.

Great point. We all enjoy what he is saying. Perhaps he could frame it more and emphasize that these are theories and not hard facts. I think somewhere in one of his interviews he does state that these are his ideas. If you listen to him talking about inside info and things like that it seems like he is trying to make one think all of this is factual and not an idea composed of threads of possibilities. I think this is his biggest problem and why he is now facing this storm of criticism. It just seems like sometimes he is stringing together new theories that do nothing but support the bogus one he already put forth.

[jackovesk]

If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. m

Wilcock (and Fulford) have delivered on some of the promised "goods" so perhaps that will take a bit of "heat" off his integrity questions:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

This is something real and now proven (lawsuit has been filed).

Sorry Calz,

If anything and the reporting of events becomes a reality and 'High Heads Roll', all the credit squarely lies with Fulford, his sources and the participants, not Wilcock..!

What did Wilcock have to do with breaking this story and the subsequent heat that Fulford has endured because of it..?

[Calz]

If the story about Hoagland and Gary is true i feel sorry for David Wilcock, since i don't think for a minute that he is into the NWO agenda. m

Wilcock (and Fulford) have delivered on some of the promised "goods" so perhaps that will take a bit of "heat" off his integrity questions:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

This is something real and now proven (lawsuit has been filed).

Sorry Calz,

If anything and the reporting of events becomes a reality and 'High Heads Roll', all the credit squarely lies with Fulford, his sources and the participants, not Wilcock..!

What did Wilcock have to do with breaking this story and the subsequent heat that Fulford has endured because of it..?

Well ... off the top o dah head ... how many people stood by Fulford while most everyone was suggesting he was a lunatic??? Wilcock has since he became aware of his story (memory serving).

He established a dialogue and continued to help bring out Ben's message (despite the admitted attempts of some sources at disinfo). Sources are tricky. Many have the obvious objective to make "truth seekers" look silly. David put his neck on the line to a degree and certainly his credibility with his endorsement of Ben.

One of the most common complaints (and I believe you have mentioned this before) is that Wilcock "never comes up with anything original" and simply "uses other's information" (paraphrasing).

One of David's greatest strengths is accumulating data from various reliable sources (scientific data) and making it accessible to us "non scientific types". I have no problem with that. Others do the same thing.

It's funny.

I was *absolutely crucified* several months ago for simply posting something from Fulford. It was amazing. I take heat from some when I suggest anything postive from Wilcock on occasion as well.

Did you read his latest book? Great stuff there.

Anyway ... sometimes we simply have to agree to disagree :yo:

One of the strengths of this forum is a respectful exchange of viewpoints and when done in the proper manner is a great source of learning.

I have always enjoyed your posts regardless of the few occasions I did not agree.

:dirol:

[transiten]

Well I left my copy of The Source Field Investigations with my 90 year old father in Norrtälje where i'm going back in 2 days. I just love reading loud for him and although he thinks some things are "far out" he is very interested. This whole issue really got me out of balance, almost feeling i was deluding my father into fairytales; have been feeling all the time here that David Wilcock was not much appreciated on Avalon.

The synchronicities happening while we're reading his book are just "stunning" a word that David might use somewhat too frequently:biggrin1:

[Logan]

I enjoy David Wilcock's work a great deal... I need to get a copy of that book.

[Daft Ada]

Not sure what any of this has got to do with Hoagland and wife though?

[Calz]

Not sure what any of this has got to do with Hoagland and wife though?

Duncan mentioned (in very clear language) that Wilcock was "next" ...



Which brings me to YOU David Wil Cock …You’re next. Pray I die in Europe. Because I am coming after you and hell’s no I ain’t finished with YOU, Hoagland!
Long live Hale Bopp! (sarcasm intended)
Duncan O’Finioan
Loved by few, hated by many.

[Daft Ada]

Oh ok Calz. I wonder if Bill has had an answer from Duncan?

[Calz]

Oh ok Calz. I wonder if Bill has had an answer from Duncan?

Well ... :lol: ... I have always appreciated everything from Duncan ... :decision: as well as Wilcock ... getting really shakey on Hoagy although I used to like him as well :whistle:

That said ... if Duncan wants to join us here on this merry expedition ... how will the mods handle anything more "direct" than "nugget"??? :haha:

[mountain_jim]

Well at the time I felt like Hoagland was predicting a particular event so I went back to search for the details.

I guess he covered himself with the 'question being when' part, but still, I believed at the time his credibility was staked on disclosure on this happening:


http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos.html


Well, tonight (as I write this), Gene's "resonant reality of Star Trek" -- of a limitless, human future ... where Earth ultimately joins "a grand galactic Federation ... and discovers ... 'new life and new civilizations ...'"--

Is about to become Real!

For, tonight, "sources" have strongly suggested to Enterprise -- through a series of in-depth, "no holds barred" conversations ... stretching over the last several days -- that the European Space Agency (ESA) has, as of tonight, finally, painstakingly, confirmed the existence of precisely such "an artificial, hollow world."

Accessible to current human space flight technology ... in this solar system.

And ... after lengthy deliberations and consultations with other "space faring nations" on this planet -- ESA has decided to, indeed, formally announce this staggering discovery ... to the entire world.

The only serious remaining question being -- "when?"

......

According to our "informed ESA source" (for this part of this developing, extraordinary story ...) ESA (the European Space Agency) IS "in the process" of assembling this stunning set of "multi-disciplinary science data on Phobos" -- testifying to the artificial nature of this enigmatic "moon" -- for a "formal presentation and announcement ... sometime later this year."

2010.





From page 2
http://www.enterprisemission.com/Phobos2.html



Imminent, official confirmation of this data -- which we at Enterprise have held (and published on ...) for over twenty years -- will change EVERYTHING.

[christian]

This whole post might as well be in another language, one that excludes the majority of the population. Because we are too hard up financially to play with you guys, apparently.

Most of the people you are referring to were not starting off with a big fortune but were trailblazers and enterpreneurs at some point. If this spirit of taking a risk and going for it would be spread more widely, we wouldn't be in that mess we are now, I suppose.

And it's not [only] money, we are all playing rolls, the prophecies are written, they are just waiting for individuals to fill the free places, who is willing to step forward?


"We are in a Cosmic War and its all over the Human Soul, because its so Powerful..!"


Isn't that just like being scared of the Bogeyman?

I don't think there's a cosmic war being fought over the human soul....

How could anyone 'win' your soul (the essence of your being?) if you didn't let them?

Ultimately we are the mistresses and masters of our own emotions.

It's about the human soul. I am not human, I am spirit, having a human experience.

As I understand it, this is about releasing the barriers, that limit the expression of the full potential of humanity as a collective vehicle.

[karelia]

- How do YOU know about the "cosmic war"? Could you provide links and infos please?
- How can you give your soul away and enter a contract without knowing it? What about free will?
- If there's a cosmic war, what's it to do with us, here and now? (except from the soul give-away)
Thanks :)

Do you think that humanity itself is so evil, dirty, disgusting? Because I don't for one moment. Traits such as greed, cheating, lying, murdering, in short, causing misery, were introduced to us from self-serving interdimensional (unseen) entities in order to feed off us. Like we eat an orange, they "eat" the energy that is fear. They need that for their survival, so they ensure a plentiful supply by continuously, perpetually creating situations that keep humans in the fear frequency. That is an attack on humanity that has been going on for thousands of years, and yes, it is a war, and as it is fought through more than one dimension, it is a cosmic war. I'm sure you can find a lot on this subject in David Icke's books.

You can give your soul away without realising it, yes, absolutely. Listen to one of the many satanic rock songs, keep singing along with it without even realising what the words are, and there you go. You didn't even notice.

Contract law is another strike of genius the elite/STS entities cheat us out of our sovereignty so successfully: A cop stops you, asks to see your driver's license. You don't even think to refuse. BUT: the moment you show your DL, you've entered a contract that allows the cop to do with you as he pleases. Same goes for a court. The judge asks you your name, you give it, and voilà, you have entered a contract, and the judge can now legally mess with you. Google the term 'freeman of the land' to learn more about this.

My intuition assures me that we, humans, are not a war-mongering race; by our nature we are a spiritual one. Which means that all we should ever need to strive for is to become more and more aware of our spirituality and live according to spiritual laws. Instead we are constantly prevented from doing that. Why? Because there is a war that ensures to keep us down, to deny us to the best of their abilities our spiritual growth. Those unseen entities have aware stooges on this planet who carry out their plans (the so-called "elite"), who in turn have an army of unaware stooges who ensure that everything goes according to those entities' plans (people working for authorities, politicians etc.). If you don't call that a war, then I don't know what war is.

[Logan]

Would you be kind enough to specify rock songs that would cause one's soul to be taken away?

[karelia]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

[Calz]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

I am with you but nowhere near those percentages.

How about all the positive, "of the light", lyrics (and harmonics are a *whole* other issue) songs in "rock and pop"???

Did not several of the most prominent rock musicans promote the harmonics/frequencies that were most beneficial???

Even Hendrix :shocked:

[karelia]

I'm not so sure, Calz. It's a subject I looked into many years ago. There are so many angles to it. First the lyrics of course. If it's not the lyrics, you can bet there are subliminal messages. If it's not those, it's the fact that the vast majority are written in the pentatonic scale. Even those well-meaning musicians have little say when it comes to the final mixing of their songs, and I dare say that most aren't aware of just how much one can mess with sound in an esoteric/unseen manner.

[13th Warrior]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

Like this?

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[Logan]

Respectfully I will continue cranking the hell out of my AC/DC and Metallica.

[zebowho]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

I take personal exception to this statement, I've been a musician for 35+yrs and I believe I have a little more experience than a passing naysayer! Where's your proof that Any percentage leads to the dark side. This is an OLD and tired soap box. Sure there are some bands that clearly push evil persona's but listening cannot constitute a contractual agreement for anyone's soul. That agreement must be explicitly given. You are of course entitled to your beliefs but please don't tread on someone elses blindly.

-z

P.S. my apologies baddbob, this is way off topic!

[RMorgan]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

I am with you but nowhere near those percentages.

How about all the positive, "of the light", lyrics (and harmonics are a *whole* other issue) songs in "rock and pop"???

Did not several of the most prominent rock musicans promote the harmonics/frequencies that were most beneficial???

Even Hendrix :shocked:

All this "rock´n ´roll is the music of the devil" stuff is pure 60´s government/church propaganda.

There are MANY great rock bands, mostly in the 60´s/70´s/80´s, that have spread great messages to the youth trough their lyrics.

I can´t believe I heard something like this here in PA, specially from a moderator. Anyway, anyone has the right to express their own opinions, as long as they don´t try to pack it as a fact.

About the pentatonic scale, it has nothing to do with evil! I can tell with 100% sure that 99% of eastern music flows beautifully around the pentatonic scale, and I can guarantee that they mean no evil.

A little quote from Wikipedia:

"A pentatonic scale is a musical scale with five notes per octave in contrast to a heptatonic (seven note) scale such as the major scale and minor scale. Pentatonic scales are very common and are found all over the world, including Celtic folk music, Hungarian folk music, West African music, African-American spirituals, Gospel music, American folk music, Jazz, American blues music, rock music, Sami joik singing, children's song, the music of ancient Greece and the Greek traditional music and songs from Epirus, Northwest Greece, music of Southern Albania, folk songs of peoples of the Middle Volga area (such as the Mari, the Chuvash and Tatars), the tuning of the Ethiopian krar and the Indonesian gamelan, Philippine Kulintang, Native American music, melodies of Korea, Malaysia, Japan, China and Vietnam (including the folk music of these countries), the Andean music, the Afro-Caribbean tradition, Polish highlanders from the Tatra Mountains, and Western Impressionistic composers such as French composer Claude Debussy. Examples of its use include Chopin's Etude in G-flat Major, op. 10, no. 5, the "Black Key" etude.Presumably in the major pentatonic."

Anyway, I can´t see how this is related to this thread.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Mark2112]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

I take personal exception to this statement, I've been a musician for 35+yrs and I believe I have a little more experience than a passing naysayer! Where's your proof that Any percentage leads to the dark side. This is an OLD and tired soap box. Sure there are some bands that clearly push evil persona's but listening cannot constitute a contractual agreement for anyone's soul. That agreement must be explicitly given. You are of course entitled to your beliefs but please don't tread on someone elses blindly.

-z

Agree 100% from another musician and rock fan of 20+ years

[karelia]

It is possible to agree to disagree, yes? And you're right. It's gone off topic.

RMorgan, are you saying because I'm a moderator, I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not speak my opinion freely? I'm not just a moderator; I'm also a forum member. :)

[13th Warrior]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

Sorry karelia; i have to do this, it's part of my job description.

I have to point out the hypocrisy of: I don't listen to them but, here is my advice...this is not wisdom.

[Daft Ada]

Oh ok Calz. I wonder if Bill has had an answer from Duncan?

Well ... :lol: ... I have always appreciated everything from Duncan ... :decision: as well as Wilcock ... getting really shakey on Hoagy although I used to like him as well :whistle:

That said ... if Duncan wants to join us here on this merry expedition ... how will the mods handle anything more "direct" than "nugget"??? :haha: I did too, I think a lot of people did, but the fame and adoration seems to have gone to his head and he just keep churning out unbelievable statements just to keep the attention.
Someone was demanding an explanation of the Elenin stuff a while ago and he still insists it never broke up, he says it was a ship and it flew off in a different direction and they replaced it with a dirty snowball that subsequently broke up as expected. Give me a break, the man is delusional, or thinks he is being clever and we will all accept whatever he says.

[karelia]

Sorry karelia; i have to do this, it's part of my job description.

I have to point out the hypocrisy of: I don't listen to them but, here is my advice...this is not wisdom.

I should have been clearer: I stopped listening to them long ago.

[Calz]

Let us set lyrics aside for a bit (not that they have no influence).

Tones ... harmonics ... frequencies ... vibrations ... lots of material that is out there that goes beyond "fringe".

Nowhere near 95% negative ... although some of the PTB/W have done their very best to make it happen.

[13th Warrior]

Sorry karelia; i have to do this, it's part of my job description.

I have to point out the hypocrisy of: I don't listen to them but, here is my advice...this is not wisdom.

I should have been clearer: I stopped listening to them long ago.

...and still nothing learned...

[karelia]

Let us set lyrics aside for a bit (not that they have no influence).

Tones ... harmonics ... frequencies ... vibrations ... lots of material that is out there that goes beyond "fringe".

Nowhere near 95% negative ... although some of the PTB/W have done their very best to make it happen.

I'm happy if it's far less than my estimate. :)

[Calz]

It is possible to agree to disagree, yes? And you're right. It's gone off topic.

RMorgan, are you saying because I'm a moderator, I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not speak my opinion freely? I'm not just a moderator; I'm also a forum member. :)

Agree to disagree is great when done respectfully ... great learning experience.

Off-topic perhaps but that normally only matters to a thread owner who says so.

If any reference to "being a mod" was brought up I missed it. I don't think there is anything going on but a normal healthy exchange of views??? I personally have never (to the best of my memory) suggested anyone was "wrong" about anything (in any thread ... ever).

We are all here to learn ... (and unfortunately suffer sometimes in the process).


Anyone who has interesting information to share for our discernment regarding a "war for our souls" ... I think should be in everyone's interest to pay attention to and give due consideration.

As always ... IMHO

[Bill Ryan]

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[ -- Mod hat on -- ]

Back to topic -- please!

:):):)

[DarMar]

As far as im concerned Hoagland was fake from every angle of his talks and presentations. Hes capable of showing black pictures with dot and then recreate picture with geometric structures from it and yelling its true while keeping serious face ... He always talks about everything but says actually nothing. And major part, he earns in that way.
Now Wilcock is not very far away, the only difference from Hoagland is that he doesn't even has black pictures with white dot :D
Irony is that i really think that he is reincarnated E.Cacey and has great potential and positive childish energy which most of us can reckognise. But also he is greatly misguided and led into new age nonsense.. So his all potential leads to imaginative writings selling as truth concepts. Hey, we all can do that. Does it make sense?
Problem is they wont admit they are wrong because of touchy subject, if doing so they insta loosing credibility == no selling books == no money.
So stories always expands in all around ways, problem is that source is mostly google (its our friend, right).

Getting usefull information from book or interview like that is like giving somebody candy wrapped in concrete.
To get shiny piece of truth you gotta break some teeth before, so sweet candy hurts more.
It doesnt have sense at all.

Duncan doesn't have need to shape his language as he is not in fear of loosing book readers. He talks what he got from personal experience which is actually not the case with Mr.David and Richard.
From Duncan talks we can grasp little tiny parts of agenda and connect them to rest of pieces. Ofc spectacles here cause that all info can be inplaneted also. But not much speculations.
From talks of David and Richard we get alot of speculations, almoust none experience/memories. They package it in nice covers and sell it. Ofc they do not need to see it in that way, but they forgot how we see speculations in process.
And one more notice, if truth is what they tell it is then believe me there is no chance that we'll see some usefull information on internet, google and youtube or any book.
One cannot buy knowledge whatever he thinks. According to that you can't then sell knowledge, right?
I wonder how they manage that part.

Knowledge is earned

[RMorgan]

It is possible to agree to disagree, yes? And you're right. It's gone off topic.

RMorgan, are you saying because I'm a moderator, I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not speak my opinion freely? I'm not just a moderator; I'm also a forum member. :)

Agree to disagree is great when done respectfully ... great learning experience.

Off-topic perhaps but that normally only matters to a thread owner who says so.

If any reference to "being a mod" was brought up I missed it. I don't think there is anything going on but a normal healthy exchange of views??? I personally have never (to the best of my memory) suggested anyone was "wrong" about anything (in any thread ... ever).

We are all here to learn ... (and unfortunately suffer sometimes in the process).


Anyone who has interesting information to share for our discernment regarding a "war for our souls" ... I think should be in everyone's interest to pay attention to and give due consideration.

As always ... IMHO

Calz,

It´s referred to what I said on post #139:

"I can´t believe I heard something like this here in PA, specially from a moderator."

I was wrong with this sentence and I agree that Karelia has the right to express her opinions just like any of us.

I guess my feelings about the moderation team got a little messed up these days.

Anyway, I consider Karelia´s opinion to be very valuable and I apologize for being so judgmental.

Also, I really love all kinds of good music, including the good old rock´n´roll, and I get a little bit emotional when talking about such subjects.

Cheers,

Raf.

:focus:

[christian]

It's gone off topic.

It surely is, so to give you all something to read instead of going on talking about it, consider this excerpt from John Coleman's "Committe of 300"


Adorno was kicked out of Germany by Hitler because of his Cult of Dionysus music experiments. He was moved to England by the Oppenheimers where the British royal family gave him facilities at Gordonstoun School and their support. It was here that Adorno perfected “Beatlemusic Rock,” “Punk Rock” “Heavy Metal Rock” and all of the decadent clamor that passes for music today. It is worthy of note that the name “The Beatles” was chosen to show a connection between modern rock, the Isis cult and the Scarab Beatle, a religious symbol of ancient Egypt.

And please check this link, press STRG + F and type in "beatles" and see what you can find.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_committee300_03.htm

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Now I'm not saying, all the answers are in those links and I'm not saying all efforts, to manipulate humanity 100% succeed accordingly, not at all, this information is just for your discernment.

[karelia]

Agree to disagree is great when done respectfully ... great learning experience.

Off-topic perhaps but that normally only matters to a thread owner who says so.

If any reference to "being a mod" was brought up I missed it. I don't think there is anything going on but a normal healthy exchange of views??? I personally have never (to the best of my memory) suggested anyone was "wrong" about anything (in any thread ... ever).

We are all here to learn ... (and unfortunately suffer sometimes in the process).


Anyone who has interesting information to share for our discernment regarding a "war for our souls" ... I think should be in everyone's interest to pay attention to and give due consideration.

As always ... IMHO

Wise words, Calz. There is an interview with Duncan and Miranda on Exotica Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/mirandas-testimony-with-duncan-ofinioan-and-miranda-kelly-pa.html) from October 9. Duncan gives some explanation in there about this war.

And I'm in absolute agreement with Duncan that we need to be vigilant. We're dealing with tricksters here who have taken tricking to a level we don't even begin to understand. They tricked us into believing the state has power over us, they trick us to give them our souls via music, through making deals, by finding that one sore spot in our ego and appealing to it; there are so many ways they trick us, it really has become an art form. And in order to spot the tricks, we need to be aware so we don't fall into their traps. Which ain't easy.

[RMorgan]

Wise words, Calz. There is an interview with Duncan and Miranda on Exotica Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/podcast/mirandas-testimony-with-duncan-ofinioan-and-miranda-kelly-pa.html) from October 9. Duncan gives some explanation in there about this war.

And I'm in absolute agreement with Duncan that we need to be vigilant. We're dealing with tricksters here who have taken tricking to a level we don't even begin to understand. They tricked us into believing the state has power over us, they trick us to give them our souls via music, through making deals, by finding that one sore spot in our ego and appealing to it; there are so many ways they trick us, it really has become an art form. And in order to spot the tricks, we need to be aware so we don't fall into their traps. Which ain't easy.

Well, I also agree that is something we don´t know about our souls, and that this something is very valuable for them.

The fact is, whenever we direct our energies, part of our souls also goes with those energies.

Currently, most people focus their energies in earning money. So we have empowered them to slowly buy our souls until we´re completely drained.

If we consider money to be the most important thing in world, them, who have the power over money, have the power over us.

Money is just a piece of paper, right? No, just like any powerful symbol out there, it isn´t about the symbol itself, it´s about the energies deposited in it.

They also have hijacked every thing that could be potentially good for humanity. They have transformed the atomic energy into bombs; the airplanes in bombers; the vaccines in diseases; all kinds of art and human expression, in weapons of mass manipulation.

They are so good in mixing up rotten apples and good apples in the same pack, that we start to eat the rotten apples like they are the good ones; and gradually, they take out all the good apples, until only the rotten ones are left, and most of us don´t even notice.

Particular, including the rock music discussion in this context, we must remember that the rock movement started as a counter-culture movement, a symbol of rebellion against the system...Gradually, as always, they´ve manage to sabotage the movements, introducing idiotic rock´n´roll bands...However, there were many good bands left and some of them still fight for change.

They couldn´t manage to completely infiltrate the artistic scenario, simply, because art is too strong; it comes from deep inside. But they try...

Nowadays, with the internet, this is positively changing for the best. Everyone now has the power to upload their music to the internet and let the public judge them, without the interference of the mainstream music industry.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Kristin]

I'd like to see Duncan here, I think it would be good for Avalon. I'd like to add a note here on non-violent communication and agreeing to disagree: I personally feel that it's wonderful that we are all unique and at the same time connected through our common existence. Opinions that are varied are not only important but are also the main ingredient to a healthy and thriving society. In this Avalon can be considered a flourishing mini society; all be it virtual in it's reality. It is important to speak for ourselves and only for ourselves when communicating. If we own our unique truths completely we are not trying to force feed it to another. I believe we have already had enough of this in our earth-bound existence. Perhaps, I imagine, that is why it is easy for those of us seeking enlightenment / knowledge to get our feathers easily in a kerfuffle when the breeze blows in a different direction. It has been refreshing for me to watch Duncan be candid in a very personal way with everyone; and I mean everyone... and yet still maintain his own code or brand of honour. He and I and all of us make mistakes and Duncan is man enough to own up to them.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[dourpil]

Do you think that humanity itself is so evil, dirty, disgusting?

I don't either. I find humanity beautiful even though its beauty may be sometimes hidden under the traits you described.


Because I don't for one moment. Traits such as greed, cheating, lying, murdering, in short, causing misery, were introduced to us from self-serving interdimensional (unseen) entities in order to feed off us. Like we eat an orange, they "eat" the energy that is fear. They need that for their survival, so they ensure a plentiful supply by continuously, perpetually creating situations that keep humans in the fear frequency. That is an attack on humanity that has been going on for thousands of years, and yes, it is a war, and as it is fought through more than one dimension, it is a cosmic war. I'm sure you can find a lot on this subject in David Icke's books.

On this even though I see your point and it certainly has truth in it, I have to disagree. These traits were introduced by us only. We are the very creator of our world, and the only one allowing entities to feed off us. The fear some are trapped in is their own fear. What you are saying about these entities may be true (and I beleive it is), but we are creators. We have free will. Nothing happens to us without us having agreed to it, consciously or at a higher level we are unaware of at this time.



You can give your soul away without realising it, yes, absolutely. Listen to one of the many satanic rock songs, keep singing along with it without even realising what the words are, and there you go. You didn't even notice.

Alright but that's very temporary. You just detach yourself from your Self. You'll find your Self back eventually, I'm sure :)


Contract law is another strike of genius the elite/STS entities cheat us out of our sovereignty so successfully: A cop stops you, asks to see your driver's license. You don't even think to refuse. BUT: the moment you show your DL, you've entered a contract that allows the cop to do with you as he pleases. Same goes for a court. The judge asks you your name, you give it, and voilà, you have entered a contract, and the judge can now legally mess with you. Google the term 'freeman of the land' to learn more about this.

This may be true, but it is not the world I live in. A cop, a judge, an ID, ... they're all sparks of pure Love and pure consciousness. They're me and I'm them. Show some respect to the elite, the cops, the courts, and respect is what you will get back. They're mirrors of what we are. We are all One.


My intuition assures me that we, humans, are not a war-mongering race; by our nature we are a spiritual one. Which means that all we should ever need to strive for is to become more and more aware of our spirituality and live according to spiritual laws. Instead we are constantly prevented from doing that. Why? Because there is a war that ensures to keep us down, to deny us to the best of their abilities our spiritual growth. Those unseen entities have aware stooges on this planet who carry out their plans (the so-called "elite"), who in turn have an army of unaware stooges who ensure that everything goes according to those entities' plans (people working for authorities, politicians etc.). If you don't call that a war, then I don't know what war is.

Very well said :) Again, I'll say the war is our own. We're the Elite, we're the entities. We're the spiritual multidimensionnal beautiful beings. We're God.



Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I hope you see what I meant. Much love to you

[Elixer]

I don't believe everything from Hoagland, but he sure paints interesting pictures.
I can believe the current smear campaign, following hard on his Elenin fiasco, is a coordinated psy-op to bring down icons in the alternative media.
The effort seems coordinated. No proof of this, but it makes sense to me.
There are blanket allegations (he must be a mason and therefore evil...) and very little proof.
High levels of emotional appeal to draw many people in, right at the time when they were tired of RCH.
The astrological stuff going on further suggests such coordination. Perfect timing...
Supporters of the allegations try to target others as well, a type of guilt-by-association. Kerry set her self up to be one such target. Bring Hoagland down and many other chess pieces will fall?
The repeated use of the 'fence-sitting' card to bring more people into the fold.
The proof from the 'Midlands' guys sounds strangely doctored. As does the James Horak interview by Randy Maugans (from august 8), who's also posting here. He links to this interview through his article about this situation. At the same time Mad Martian is posting on the Camelot forum. Coordinated...?
I am even considering the idea of Elenin etc being a trick, (part of) a larger psyop, but that might be going to far.

[Bill Ryan]

I would love it if Duncan joined Avalon!


I wonder if Bill has had an answer from Duncan?

I've just received Miranda's reply: they've both accepted the invitation with pleasure.





Bill,

Your words really touched Duncan and I in a big way. That meant a lot to us. Your support, and Kerry's support, demonstrated like this is immeasurably heartening. We have very few people in our lives that we can count on, but you are definitely part of that infinitesimal group. Thank you for that.

We would be honored to become members of the Avalon forum. We may not be able to post over there a lot, but we would like that very much.

[Kristin]

Great news Bill, thank you for sharing the correspondence. Very gracious of you.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Bill Ryan]

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Posted on Kerry's blog just now. An inspired message, and I just wrote to tell her so.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=37&id=69143&Itemid=164#69143

LETTER TO A FRIEND: ON GETTING THE REAL GAME BENEATH THE GAME

Thanks so much for getting back to me. Let me say that I am totally aware of the fact that Richard is deeper in than he reveals and that he is playing on both sides (so to speak). This is known to me.

As a whistleblower and insider, by definition, it goes with the territory….

I also know, psychically a number of things about him that I do not talk about. It's simply that he has a right to be who he wants to be and withhold certain knowledge etc as he does. That doesn't mean I agree with it but I believe in the freedom and sovereignty of each individual fully. And if he chooses to walk on the dark side in some respects that is his soul prerogative.

This does not change the fact that he has also been one of the very few willing to fight to get truth out about what NASA has really been doing and he is a thorn in the side of the secret space program. He may also be aligned with a side of the agenda that I don't agree with but that is the nature of the beast. Whistleblowers have their pov and their allegiances and they have every right to them regardless of the fact that we don't agree with them.

I am not a fan of Hoagland's conclusions and I have made no secret of that, but I support and applaud his research and courage and dedication for getting the truth out there. He's no different than many other Camelot whistleblowers in that respect.

You and others have also had to work on the dark side (as I know you know) and you can be used in a heartbeat by them if you are not completely on guard and careful. This goes for many others including Aaron, Bill and David Wilcock for that matter. Things that look 'positive' can easily be twisted and used by the dark side to facilitate some nefarious agenda they have in mind. It happens every day.

Whistleblowers by nature of who they are -- walk on both sides of the line. They have to. They wouldn't be whistleblowers otherwise. And in my experience many of them go back to the other side after they have come forward to tell the truth, sometimes because they are coerced and other times because they actually find themselves aligned with or in agreement with some overall agenda that the dark side has... it's a fascinating dynamic and agenda.

It takes an exceptionally clear individual to resist the temptations the dark side rolls out to lure people out telling the truth back to their side. You and Duncan are likely more familiar with this than most!

On a psychic level I am very much in touch with many of our whistleblowers on an ongoing basis. You should not wonder that I see beneath the surface of these individuals. But I too have an agenda.. a light side agenda..and there are a number of people who are serving the light even when they think they are serving the dark! Not many people recognize this.

It is not a black and white world out there. And being aware of the nuances is what separates the men from the boys and the adepts from the neophytes. Failing to see how some gesture or act is being used by one side or another is something that can have serious consequences on a soul level.

It's not as simple as coming forward and telling the truth. It's being aware of how certain knowledge and revelations are going to be used and manipulated. That is the real indicator of a master player in the game. Playing the Players so to speak. This is where the game gets really interesting.

Stakes are raised at the moment and people in our sector are being taken out right and left (psychically, mentally and emotionally)-- taken out of the game. They are pitting us against one another and being very successful. I urge everyone to look deeper at this attack on Hoagland and realize what is really being facilitated here. Who benefits (qui bono) you have to ask yourself.... It is not the people.

The fact is that we the people have very few who are able to come forward and speak publicly about these subjects. Hoagland has key access to insiders most people have no clue about and this makes his approach very valuable to all of us. That and his astute and inquiring mind. We need more people like him to come forward and battle on the part of the people. No he's not perfect, nobody is, but he is fulfilling an important role and doing a service to humanity.

There are others out there and I wish to hell they would have the courage to come forward.... It is actually sad how few whistleblowers there are.. but when you are out here in the cold, telling it like it is and being laughed at, attacked and denigrated in every which way it does make you wonder why we bother. It takes a huge sense of mission, of right and wrong and of courage to keep at it every day in the face of such adversity...

Even to the point where the very people you are working so hard to bring the truth to, throw it back in your face and don't recognize it for what it is. On top of that the people who should be fighting side by side with you turn on you and join the dark side in lying about who you are and what you are doing.

We have witnessed many of our Camelot whistleblowers do just that. We put ourselves and our lives on the line to help them get their message out there, and it is heartbreaking to see how often those people, who we have stood by and taken bullets for in the public sector, turn around and knife us in the back. It truly shakes the foundations of the strongest among us and it's no wonder many fold or go under or worse go back working for the 'man'.

I know you understand this. I can only say, it is more vital now, as the battle intensifies that we stand strong together. We don't have to agree on everything but we each have a message and in some cases the message may even challenge the people around us who thought they knew everything about what is going on... Sometimes they are the hardest cases because they think they know... but they may be being misled. It happens everyday.

Certain of those among us have been out there long enough and been flattered long enough to think they know the real truth above and beyond everyone else. This is the biggest deception of all. It takes a huge act of soul searching to realize you may still have things to learn. Stay open. The mind as they say, is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.

I applaud your courage and steadfastness in the face of the obstacles in our path.

In truth,

Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

[Kimberley]

Do you think that humanity itself is so evil, dirty, disgusting?

I don't either. I find humanity beautiful even though its beauty may be sometimes hidden under the traits you described.


Because I don't for one moment. Traits such as greed, cheating, lying, murdering, in short, causing misery, were introduced to us from self-serving interdimensional (unseen) entities in order to feed off us. Like we eat an orange, they "eat" the energy that is fear. They need that for their survival, so they ensure a plentiful supply by continuously, perpetually creating situations that keep humans in the fear frequency. That is an attack on humanity that has been going on for thousands of years, and yes, it is a war, and as it is fought through more than one dimension, it is a cosmic war. I'm sure you can find a lot on this subject in David Icke's books.

On this even though I see your point and it certainly has truth in it, I have to disagree. These traits were introduced by us only. We are the very creator of our world, and the only one allowing entities to feed off us. The fear some are trapped in is their own fear. What you are saying about these entities may be true (and I beleive it is), but we are creators. We have free will. Nothing happens to us without us having agreed to it, consciously or at a higher level we are unaware of at this time.



You can give your soul away without realising it, yes, absolutely. Listen to one of the many satanic rock songs, keep singing along with it without even realising what the words are, and there you go. You didn't even notice.

Alright but that's very temporary. You just detach yourself from your Self. You'll find your Self back eventually, I'm sure :)


Contract law is another strike of genius the elite/STS entities cheat us out of our sovereignty so successfully: A cop stops you, asks to see your driver's license. You don't even think to refuse. BUT: the moment you show your DL, you've entered a contract that allows the cop to do with you as he pleases. Same goes for a court. The judge asks you your name, you give it, and voilà, you have entered a contract, and the judge can now legally mess with you. Google the term 'freeman of the land' to learn more about this.

This may be true, but it is not the world I live in. A cop, a judge, an ID, ... they're all sparks of pure Love and pure consciousness. They're me and I'm them. Show some respect to the elite, the cops, the courts, and respect is what you will get back. They're mirrors of what we are. We are all One.


My intuition assures me that we, humans, are not a war-mongering race; by our nature we are a spiritual one. Which means that all we should ever need to strive for is to become more and more aware of our spirituality and live according to spiritual laws. Instead we are constantly prevented from doing that. Why? Because there is a war that ensures to keep us down, to deny us to the best of their abilities our spiritual growth. Those unseen entities have aware stooges on this planet who carry out their plans (the so-called "elite"), who in turn have an army of unaware stooges who ensure that everything goes according to those entities' plans (people working for authorities, politicians etc.). If you don't call that a war, then I don't know what war is.

Very well said :) Again, I'll say the war is our own. We're the Elite, we're the entities. We're the spiritual multidimensionnal beautiful beings. We're God.



Thank you for taking the time to answer my questions. I hope you see what I meant. Much love to you


Once again dourpil I so love you and agree with you 300% Much love Kimberley :luv:

[jackovesk]

I don't listen to them, and no, I'm not going to look them up for you. I would say about 95% of all music that is rock, pop, etc contains wording that bring you one or more steps closer to the dark side.

I am with you but nowhere near those percentages.

How about all the positive, "of the light", lyrics (and harmonics are a *whole* other issue) songs in "rock and pop"???

Did not several of the most prominent rock musicans promote the harmonics/frequencies that were most beneficial???

Even Hendrix :shocked:

Not to forget this one Calz,


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUcOaGawIW0

Color/Light resonates with sound (Harmonics), which is the language of the Universe and is the linchpin of how ET's communicate Telepathically...

There is 'No Way' Hollywood made this up on their own...

This is definately a message of communication, born out of the very ancient and forgotten "The Solfeggio Frequencies" (http://solfeggiofrequencies.net/)...

You have all heard many Musicians/Artists/Philosophers/Scientists/Inventors, etc state, "It all came to me in a Dream" or "I don't know where the Words, Music, Idea/s came from, it came out of nowhere. It was like I unconsciously tapped into some kind hidden Universal Force..?"

http://solfeggiofrequencies.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/solfeggio-frequencies.jpeg


"The Language of Color like nothing else I have ever experienced, the complete package for communication."

11895


"Connecting to and working with the 'Dark Side' has been a passion for those that seek Power in this world..!"

11894


Nikola Tesla said "If you knew the 'Secrets' of the 3's the 6's and the 9's you would have the 'Magic' of the Universe..!"

TPTW/Illuminati do..!

...and that's why they use it against us, in (ALL) forms of communication..!

This some very 'Powerful Stuff' and should be 'Relearned' by us All..!

Here's is some more proof in Hollywood that some people 'Knew all about the 'The Solfeggio Frequencies' or could 'Tap' into it..!

Do - Re - Me - So - Fa - La - Ti


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dpGmAc3kMk

PS - I'm not going Crazy, I'm just starting to 'Work it All Out', the more we learn about this stuff, the easier it will be to 'Turn The Tables' on those (TPTW) who use it against us..!

PSS - One other thing, this is my explanation of 'Ascension' (A word I don't like) because it has too many different meanings to so many and is often confusing to say the least..!

I will just call it 'The Truth As I Know It', that (All of Us) already innately knew anyway..!

How else could I have started on my journey to put some of the (Hidden Pieces) of the (Jig-Saw Puzzle) together..?

I hope this resonates with you, as it has with me...

Finally, I'm starting to feel good about not only Humanities future, myself & my family's future aswell. :)

IMHO, I would like us all to start taking back our (Own Power) and stop giving it away to both the PTW & Self Appointed Gurus...

...and the 'Best Part' about it, I didn't rely on 'Any One So Called Guru' to work it out, I did it by the same 'Knowing' we were (ALL) born with...

Colour - Sound - Light & Frequencies (Do Matter)...They are just one of the Secrets TPTW have worked so hard for Centuries/Millennia to keep from us..!

:yes4:

I will also start a 'Thread' on this topic in the 'General Disscusion' Sub Topic, for more open discussion...

The Universe: "Ascension vs Knowing" - What's the Difference & What is it Really..???"

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36749-The-Universe-Ascension-vs-Knowing-What-s-the-Difference-What-is-it-Really..

With my 'Only Goal' being, I just want us all to start looking inwardly for the Answers instead of outwardly putting others on Pedastals and bickering about Who is Right & Who is Wrong..?

[onawah]

That being said, and by Kerry no less, I hope what we will see from Duncan and Miranda is open hearted discussion of the issues they may have with Hoagland and Wilcock, so that more understanding, appreciation and resolution may come about, rather than threats, diatribes and so on.
As Kerry points out, there aren't a lot of whistleblowers in the first place. Even if they aren't perfect, even if they may be unwittingly passing along disinfo, even if they have some allegiance to the dark side, they are still providing information that we can distil, analyze and hopefully, arrive at the truth, and for that, we must be grateful and appreciative.
Much better results will be gained by strengthening our alliances within the Alternative Community rather than dwelling on the differences and creating more separation.
Divide and conquer has long been the tactic of TPTW, and if the community isn't aware enough of that by now to skillfully divert and transmute that energy for the good, then there's not much hope!

-------

Posted on Kerry's blog just now. An inspired message, and I just wrote to tell her so.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=37&id=69143&Itemid=164#69143

LETTER TO A FRIEND: ON GETTING THE REAL GAME BENEATH THE GAME

Thanks so much for getting back to me. Let me say that I am totally aware of the fact that Richard is deeper in than he reveals and that he is playing on both sides (so to speak). This is known to me.

As a whistleblower and insider, by definition, it goes with the territory….

I also know, psychically a number of things about him that I do not talk about. It's simply that he has a right to be who he wants to be and withhold certain knowledge etc as he does. That doesn't mean I agree with it but I believe in the freedom and sovereignty of each individual fully. And if he chooses to walk on the dark side in some respects that is his soul prerogative.

This does not change the fact that he has also been one of the very few willing to fight to get truth out about what NASA has really been doing and he is a thorn in the side of the secret space program. He may also be aligned with a side of the agenda that I don't agree with but that is the nature of the beast. Whistleblowers have their pov and their allegiances and they have every right to them regardless of the fact that we don't agree with them.

I am not a fan of Hoagland's conclusions and I have made no secret of that, but I support and applaud his research and courage and dedication for getting the truth out there. He's no different than many other Camelot whistleblowers in that respect.

You and others have also had to work on the dark side (as I know you know) and you can be used in a heartbeat by them if you are not completely on guard and careful. This goes for many others including Aaron, Bill and David Wilcock for that matter. Things that look 'positive' can easily be twisted and used by the dark side to facilitate some nefarious agenda they have in mind. It happens every day.

Whistleblowers by nature of who they are -- walk on both sides of the line. They have to. They wouldn't be whistleblowers otherwise. And in my experience many of them go back to the other side after they have come forward to tell the truth, sometimes because they are coerced and other times because they actually find themselves aligned with or in agreement with some overall agenda that the dark side has... it's a fascinating dynamic and agenda.

It takes an exceptionally clear individual to resist the temptations the dark side rolls out to lure people out telling the truth back to their side. You and Duncan are likely more familiar with this than most!

On a psychic level I am very much in touch with many of our whistleblowers on an ongoing basis. You should not wonder that I see beneath the surface of these individuals. But I too have an agenda.. a light side agenda..and there are a number of people who are serving the light even when they think they are serving the dark! Not many people recognize this.

It is not a black and white world out there. And being aware of the nuances is what separates the men from the boys and the adepts from the neophytes. Failing to see how some gesture or act is being used by one side or another is something that can have serious consequences on a soul level.

It's not as simple as coming forward and telling the truth. It's being aware of how certain knowledge and revelations are going to be used and manipulated. That is the real indicator of a master player in the game. Playing the Players so to speak. This is where the game gets really interesting.

Stakes are raised at the moment and people in our sector are being taken out right and left (psychically, mentally and emotionally)-- taken out of the game. They are pitting us against one another and being very successful. I urge everyone to look deeper at this attack on Hoagland and realize what is really being facilitated here. Who benefits (qui bono) you have to ask yourself.... It is not the people.

The fact is that we the people have very few who are able to come forward and speak publicly about these subjects. Hoagland has key access to insiders most people have no clue about and this makes his approach very valuable to all of us. That and his astute and inquiring mind. We need more people like him to come forward and battle on the part of the people. No he's not perfect, nobody is, but he is fulfilling an important role and doing a service to humanity.

There are others out there and I wish to hell they would have the courage to come forward.... It is actually sad how few whistleblowers there are.. but when you are out here in the cold, telling it like it is and being laughed at, attacked and denigrated in every which way it does make you wonder why we bother. It takes a huge sense of mission, of right and wrong and of courage to keep at it every day in the face of such adversity...

Even to the point where the very people you are working so hard to bring the truth to, throw it back in your face and don't recognize it for what it is. On top of that the people who should be fighting side by side with you turn on you and join the dark side in lying about who you are and what you are doing.

We have witnessed many of our Camelot whistleblowers do just that. We put ourselves and our lives on the line to help them get their message out there, and it is heartbreaking to see how often those people, who we have stood by and taken bullets for in the public sector, turn around and knife us in the back. It truly shakes the foundations of the strongest among us and it's no wonder many fold or go under or worse go back working for the 'man'.

I know you understand this. I can only say, it is more vital now, as the battle intensifies that we stand strong together. We don't have to agree on everything but we each have a message and in some cases the message may even challenge the people around us who thought they knew everything about what is going on... Sometimes they are the hardest cases because they think they know... but they may be being misled. It happens everyday.

Certain of those among us have been out there long enough and been flattered long enough to think they know the real truth above and beyond everyone else. This is the biggest deception of all. It takes a huge act of soul searching to realize you may still have things to learn. Stay open. The mind as they say, is like a parachute, it only works when it's open.

I applaud your courage and steadfastness in the face of the obstacles in our path.

In truth,

Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

[sygh]

onawah,
Thank you, and Kerry for your post. This is much needed at this time. When there is seemingly nothing going on, humans that we are, we will create something to fill the void. It is getting rather confusing at this stage though, what with the duality of man, so to speak. Glad we can still express it.

[modwiz]

This has been a good thread IMO. Duncan has been a good example as well. We're all human and we will mess up, from time to time. So, can we admit when we aren't our best and can we forgive others, and ourselves when we do? This, I believe, is an important 'formula' for us to make some real progress in this group therapy we call Avalon. Yes it can get contentious at times. We all can be grouchy when kicked awake suddenly :boink: after falling asleep while posting. :lazy: This is the just the kind of pressure to get some diamonds made. The process is sloppy and sometimes momentarily disheartening, but the progress can be seen.

Now, I hope we continue to grow emotionally and find greater acceptance for admitted foibles and even start to look at which threads feed a greater dialogue towards actually real world actions.

Carmody has an old thread about Brown's Gas that needs to be a topic for discussion and understanding. Yes, it is a little like a homework assignment. :yes4::p Your brain begins boiling here:http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8458-2.85-billion-fewer-polluting-cars-on-the-road....for-60M

An idea, a good one, that Bill has put forward again recently is ground crews. Just putting that out there to keep in mind.

It is interesting to note that one of the members (make that ex-member) here who did a ground crew was Lord Sidious. Pie'n'eal then did one in the UK. He may have even been inspired by LS. That said, can anyone smell irony here? It smells a little like something you would wipe off of your shoe.

[transiten]

Thanks Kerry....

...for this "Mercury Standing Still Communication Post": Information is missing, desinformation, misunderstandings etc.

Here's another example from Swedish radio this morning: "A suspected murderer inspired by the "Lazer man" who killed darkhaired immigrants some years ago, has an account on "vaken.se" a forum like this. On the forum is discussed "A New World Order" and a hidden elite that rules the world mostly by Jews".

What do they know about the possibility that Zionists are prepared to sacrifice their on pple?

What conclusions do you think the average Swede will draw by this? And what are the chances i will be more reluctant to talk about these things with pple who are totally uninformed by what's discusssed on fora like Avalon for fear of being ridiculed? What are the chances they would think we are all antisemites? Vaken.se has last year already been falsely accused in Swedish media.

We have a lot of immigrants and fugitifs in Sweden and there's an ongoing debate about our rightwinged governments callous deportment policy .

Where do we turn in these confusing times? Not against eachother i hope.

[randymaugans]

All I can say is that, from my end, there is nothing "coordinated" about this. In fact, if it was so well coordinated my scheduled interview would have gone off without a blip...in fact, there is a massive resistance going on that is nearly supernatural---the details for now will remain private.

If Hoagland is someone's "icon", then they have larger issues...ditto David Wilcock, etc. public figures are subject to scrutiny.

My involvement pre-dates this "astrological window" by several months---and before the Mad Martian material (and Kerry knows this as I sent her information regarding Elenin that would have gone a long way toward answering WHAT Elenin was, and was not...my show accurately predicted the arc of Elenin...nothing!). Long before Kerry's original post, and before Duncan wrote his blog post...so NO coordination here, just the unhappy syndrome of bad karma coming home to roost.

What other events going on in the background (and there are) have no bearing on my interest in this...no one punches my buttons, I have no material relationships with anyone to preserve and my research says that the people on the front of this story (Glenn Candy and Michael Vara) likewise have no handlers or need to exploit this for gain. Do not fall prey to Kerry's meme injection of mind control where none is evident. This is all far more simple to parse.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)


I don't believe everything from Hoagland, but he sure paints interesting pictures.
I can believe the current smear campaign, following hard on his Elenin fiasco, is a coordinated psy-op to bring down icons in the alternative media.
The effort seems coordinated. No proof of this, but it makes sense to me.
There are blanket allegations (he must be a mason and therefore evil...) and very little proof.
High levels of emotional appeal to draw many people in, right at the time when they were tired of RCH.
The astrological stuff going on further suggests such coordination. Perfect timing...
Supporters of the allegations try to target others as well, a type of guilt-by-association. Kerry set her self up to be one such target. Bring Hoagland down and many other chess pieces will fall?
The repeated use of the 'fence-sitting' card to bring more people into the fold.
The proof from the 'Midlands' guys sounds strangely doctored. As does the James Horak interview by Randy Maugans (from august 8), who's also posting here. He links to this interview through his article about this situation. At the same time Mad Martian is posting on the Camelot forum. Coordinated...?
I am even considering the idea of Elenin etc being a trick, (part of) a larger psyop, but that might be going to far.

[transiten]

This discussion is detrimental to my mental and emotional state of mind, actually foreseen in a horary reading about my health issues by a very accurate astrologer.

As interested as i am i have to stop following threads like this for some time, and as i'm visiting my father for Christmas who has no internet i will only have David Wilcocks book "The Source Field Investigations" as a daily contact with issues discussed on Avalon. Of course I can't be sure of whether pyramid power really works or anything else either mentioned in this book. The only thing i know is working are the stunning synchronicities i'm experiencing.

I'm really thankful though towards you guys who have the energy and courage to keep this discussion going.

OMG:peace: A mediumistc friend of mine said that whenever i see magpies in a difficult situation (not the magpies but me in a difficult situation;) it's a sign that i'm guided and that the dark matters will be dealt with to keep me from harm...just as i was about to press the send button 2 magpies came to my narrow windowsill! Never happened in the 17 years i've been living here!

May your Christmas time also bring some rest and peace apart from what's going on here. And we're in for an Interesting New Year for sure.

[jaybee]

Wow transiten...the magpies !! Bless you and have a lovely time with your father and David Wilcocks book... :)


Also want to say...excellent message from Kerry. THANKS Kerry if you happen to see this.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

Hey guys just found this on Andrew D Basiago's website The house lays right into him saying that he has hidden pictures of Mars from us, Says that their is a code to describe what coming up for us and that he is a Mason....


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HgPOm_w73Ec#!

taken from this website:

[URL="http://exotica-radio.com/articles/2011/11/27/unmasking-richard-hoagland.html#entry13880738"]

What do you guys think?

PS hope this is not already posted!

The sound was annoying - but if you stick with it, it is a strong case Martian has...

[Curt]

Specifically, who are we at war with? Who and what are they, and where do they come from? Where can one find more information, and what do you regard as a solution?



- How do YOU know about the "cosmic war"? Could you provide links and infos please?
- How can you give your soul away and enter a contract without knowing it? What about free will?
- If there's a cosmic war, what's it to do with us, here and now? (except from the soul give-away)
Thanks :)

Do you think that humanity itself is so evil, dirty, disgusting? Because I don't for one moment. Traits such as greed, cheating, lying, murdering, in short, causing misery, were introduced to us from self-serving interdimensional (unseen) entities in order to feed off us. Like we eat an orange, they "eat" the energy that is fear. They need that for their survival, so they ensure a plentiful supply by continuously, perpetually creating situations that keep humans in the fear frequency. That is an attack on humanity that has been going on for thousands of years, and yes, it is a war, and as it is fought through more than one dimension, it is a cosmic war. I'm sure you can find a lot on this subject in David Icke's books.

You can give your soul away without realising it, yes, absolutely. Listen to one of the many satanic rock songs, keep singing along with it without even realising what the words are, and there you go. You didn't even notice.

Contract law is another strike of genius the elite/STS entities cheat us out of our sovereignty so successfully: A cop stops you, asks to see your driver's license. You don't even think to refuse. BUT: the moment you show your DL, you've entered a contract that allows the cop to do with you as he pleases. Same goes for a court. The judge asks you your name, you give it, and voilà, you have entered a contract, and the judge can now legally mess with you. Google the term 'freeman of the land' to learn more about this.

My intuition assures me that we, humans, are not a war-mongering race; by our nature we are a spiritual one. Which means that all we should ever need to strive for is to become more and more aware of our spirituality and live according to spiritual laws. Instead we are constantly prevented from doing that. Why? Because there is a war that ensures to keep us down, to deny us to the best of their abilities our spiritual growth. Those unseen entities have aware stooges on this planet who carry out their plans (the so-called "elite"), who in turn have an army of unaware stooges who ensure that everything goes according to those entities' plans (people working for authorities, politicians etc.). If you don't call that a war, then I don't know what war is.

[jackovesk]

This discussion is detrimental to my mental and emotional state of mind, actually foreseen in a horary reading about my health issues by a very accurate astrologer.

As interested as i am i have to stop following threads like this for some time, and as i'm visiting my father for Christmas who has no internet i will only have David Wilcocks book "The Source Field Investigations" as a daily contact with issues discussed on Avalon. Of course I can't be sure of whether pyramid power really works or anything else either mentioned in this book. The only thing i know is working are the stunning synchronicities i'm experiencing.

I'm really thankful though towards you guys who have the energy and courage to keep this discussion going.

OMG:peace: A mediumistc friend of mine said that whenever i see magpies in a difficult situation it's a sign that i'm guided and that the dark matters will be dealt with to keep me from harm...just as i was about to press the send button 2 magpies came to my narrow windowsill! Never happened in the 17 years i've been living here!

May your Christmas time also bring some rest and peace apart from what's going on here. And we're in for an Interesting New Year for sure.

Hello Young Transiten,


This discussion is detrimental to my mental and emotional state of mind, actually foreseen in a horary reading about my health issues by a very accurate astrologer

I too used to visit Astrologers, Clairvoyants, Mediums, etc...for many years on a regular basis..! (2 - 3) times per year

Knowing what I know now, I wish I could get my $money back...

I wanted to know what the future held, what was going to happen, etc, etc...because at the time it felt like I had no control over my life and I needed some kind of assistance...

By all means if you are going through tough times and have no-one to talk to, the support you usually get from these people seems to help somewhat! But a couple of months down the track, you seem to be going back for another fix.

For me it was an endless cycle of Dis-Empowerment...Instead of looking within for the answers...

What I am trying to share with you Transiten is, try not to be dependent upon others for your own happiness. Everything is right there inside of you, its free just waiting to be tapped into.


Of course I can't be sure of whether pyramid power really works or anything else either mentioned in this book. The only thing i know is working are the stunning synchronicities i'm experiencing.

For the past 10 years, I have been experiencing the same sychronicities 'Or' Another way of putting it, all of my life I have been experiencing synchronities, however I never paid any attention them...For some years I feel as if my peripheral sight has expanded to the point where I am getting visions and I am tapping right into the heart of the universal consciousness. I have never ever thought is it just me? I have always thought this is available to us all, only if we could find the time to Silence our mind, thus opening it up to the Universe at the same time...

Only within the last few months I have felt a Rush of Energy, Enlightenment that seems to be uncontrollable but a fantastic experience all the same, I am sure many others feel it aswell...Its like being on an amazing high that you never want to come down from.

I believe this is where Human Consciousness is Evolving towards and much, much more...:)

What I am trying to share with you in this example Transiten, is by all means read as many books as you can to gain as much knowledge as you can on any subject that is dear to your heart...

But remember it is YOU and YOU only that can draw on that specific knowledge (something that resonates with you) for the betterment of others and yourself...

You are your own Creator as we all are...

I spent the time posting this message, because you are right. This thread is somewhat emotionally draining, but there is something to it that keeps me intrigued and coming back for more...

There has been some excellent contributions made by many including yourself...

Finally if you Love your Sychronicities your going Love the ending, so please hang around or pop in from time to time to see it through...

Merry Xmas,

Jack :)

PS - I hope you don't mind me sharing this with you, I just felt that you needed to hear it...

[transiten]

Thanks for the feedback Jack!

That was heartfelt and wise words..

Thing is i'm much much older than you think and also i'm an astrologer but not very good at horary astrology where one asks a specific question as in this case.

Anyway, i've been in a bad physical shape and also mental/emotional for some months and it'sa double edged sword to be on a forum like this. I have noone IRL that i can really talk to about these issues and at the same time it stressses me out at the moment.

I'm slowly recovering and now the sun is shining for the first time in weeks and i'm out for a walk. Keep the information exchange going, i will peep in after a while and check it out, just have to have a break now!

[etm567]

Well I left my copy of The Source Field Investigations with my 90 year old father in Norrtälje where i'm going back in 2 days. I just love reading loud for him and although he thinks some things are "far out" he is very interested. This whole issue really got me out of balance, almost feeling i was deluding my father into fairytales; have been feeling all the time here that David Wilcock was not much appreciated on Avalon.

The synchronicities happening while we're reading his book are just "stunning" a word that David might use somewhat too frequently:biggrin1:

I for one very much admire David Wilcock, although I may find his writing, particularly when he is writing articles, kind of irritating from time to time. And I think most of that is due to a mistaken choice of words -- just as you suggest with "stunning" -- that good journalistic writers avoid like the plague. If he had only been trained as a journalist, I think many fewer people would be put off by him!

It's sort of a voicing problem. In addition to overusing modifiers, he tends to avoid qualifiers like "in my opinion," "it seems to me," "it appears to be," "it is possible," which I think some people might consider cheating or fudging, as if you can't put yourself on the line. But it is actually a good practice to do that when you are reporting, because that's all you are doing, reporting things that you, yourself, cannot possibly know as a fact. And that causes him to come across as omniscient somehow -- and that certainly can put people off. Who likes people who seem to think they are god-like? In David's case, I don't think he believes that, but due to his writing style he does sometimes come across that way. I think it is all a mistake of style.

I myself learned these things the hard way. Although I was never trained as a journalist, I ended up working as a public information officer and had to write press releases and press kits, which is a kind of journalistic writing. Boy, did I get bashed over my first attempts! I heard, "You can't say that!" too many times to count. And all the adjectives would always get the little red delete line. But as I kept writing and reading, and paying attention to the style, I began to see that those damned adjectives really don't do you any good, and that, in fact, they work against you. That is a lesson I'm afraid dear David has not learned, although I think he has cut back on them some.

If he would just realize that you need to use those qualifiers to demonstrate that you are not saying that you "know" like God knows.... :peace:

[etm567]

This whole post might as well be in another language, one that excludes the majority of the population. Because we are too hard up financially to play with you guys, apparently.

Most of the people you are referring to were not starting off with a big fortune but were trailblazers and enterpreneurs at some point. If this spirit of taking a risk and going for it would be spread more widely, we wouldn't be in that mess we are now, I suppose.


I have nothing but admiration for what Bill and Kerry have done, and I used to spend many hours transcribing those interviews for them -- those transcripts which you can read on the Project Camelot archive. (Not all of them, but quite a few, were done by me.)

But circumstances have changed, and now I feel very, very, very shut out -- sometimes. And I think other people must, as well. And I have to insist that that is wrong, and that someone should bother to share the information with us. They don't have to break copyright or anything, just tell us what happened! What is the big deal? Why can't someone tell us what happened? Or tell us the essential info that was revealed? This keeping it secret is just very...elitist. :frusty:

On edit: I have finally finished the thread, and I have a small idea of what is going on. I see that the Elenin business is what some folks are talking about regarding Hoagland.

What I haven't a clue about is what happened at Awake and Aware 2011, particularly to upset Duncan, and what do people think is wrong with Sean David Morton? Is there something wrong? But see, here I have no idea what people are talking about. Bill, I have no idea what you mean when you say Sean David Morton seems not to know how to behave in public anymore. What are you talking about?

And then there is all the stuff that Hoagland is accused of doing to -- is it Gary? That all sounds absolutely terrible, but I, like most people, I suspect, have no way of knowing what really happened. And I'm not accusing anyone of telling tales. Gee, but by now we all know better than to just accept everything that you hear or read on the Internet! I hope Gary is all right. The note from Kerry was a little bit helpful. I remain, however, confused. :confused: So, that's nothing new.

[Kristin]

I honestly think Bill and Kerry have been very forthcoming. I would think that it is a very slippery slope when you have information that is important and yet have promised not to go public with it to protect the lives of those who have blown the proverbial whistle. I can imagine that children and entire families could be compromised by the release of the information. But there are enough clues that are leaked out to give us a few pieces of the puzzle, enough to get us on the right track so to speak. I can understand how this is stressful, I myself have often thought that I would love it if they would just spill the beans... But that is a bit selfish of me. Lives are at stake, including Bill and Kerry's. That's a fact. It is my hope that with enough information coming out people will feel protected enough through their own numbers to let it all out, what an eye opener that will be. Until then I rely on my intuition to keep me on the right track. I use Inelia's methods as well as my own to test the truths and half truths that are out there... thus far I think it has been serving me well, at least I hope! LOL But I also know that the truth will still be standing and be ready for me to see it, regardless of time. Truth has it's own energy pulling us forward. The truth is a powerful force.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Elixer]

Hi Randy.

Thanks for responding.
First off, I wouldn't say RCH is an icon of mine, but I think it can objectively be said that he is a high profile personality in the Alternative Media.
That's what I mean by 'icon' and I think it is generally understood this way. Are you thinking of 'idol'?
Even then, I think both RCH and DW have done enough great work for some people to become fans or followers of their work.
It seems you are implying the same thing you accuse Kerry of doing, that those who follow these people or hold them up as their icons have been seriously fooled...('serious issues')

I don't want to derail the topic, but could you explain a little bit about the nature and extent of the edits done on that august interview with James Horak?
From what I hear, they appear to be quite extensive, to the point where one might think the entire interview was stitched together from another audio source.
For one thing there are no 'uhs' and 'uhms' in there. I've heard interviews of his where he is far less fluent. Maybe he was just on a roll?
In either case it was a very well crafted interview.

I don't mean to scrutinize you, but you are a public figure;)


All I can say is that, from my end, there is nothing "coordinated" about this. In fact, if it was so well coordinated my scheduled interview would have gone off without a blip...in fact, there is a massive resistance going on that is nearly supernatural---the details for now will remain private.

If Hoagland is someone's "icon", then they have larger issues...ditto David Wilcock, etc. public figures are subject to scrutiny.

My involvement pre-dates this "astrological window" by several months---and before the Mad Martian material (and Kerry knows this as I sent her information regarding Elenin that would have gone a long way toward answering WHAT Elenin was, and was not...my show accurately predicted the arc of Elenin...nothing!). Long before Kerry's original post, and before Duncan wrote his blog post...so NO coordination here, just the unhappy syndrome of bad karma coming home to roost.

What other events going on in the background (and there are) have no bearing on my interest in this...no one punches my buttons, I have no material relationships with anyone to preserve and my research says that the people on the front of this story (Glenn Candy and Michael Vara) likewise have no handlers or need to exploit this for gain. Do not fall prey to Kerry's meme injection of mind control where none is evident. This is all far more simple to parse.

Randy Maugans-OffPlanet Radio (http://offplanetradio.com/)


I don't believe everything from Hoagland, but he sure paints interesting pictures.
I can believe the current smear campaign, following hard on his Elenin fiasco, is a coordinated psy-op to bring down icons in the alternative media.
The effort seems coordinated. No proof of this, but it makes sense to me.
There are blanket allegations (he must be a mason and therefore evil...) and very little proof.
High levels of emotional appeal to draw many people in, right at the time when they were tired of RCH.
The astrological stuff going on further suggests such coordination. Perfect timing...
Supporters of the allegations try to target others as well, a type of guilt-by-association. Kerry set her self up to be one such target. Bring Hoagland down and many other chess pieces will fall?
The repeated use of the 'fence-sitting' card to bring more people into the fold.
The proof from the 'Midlands' guys sounds strangely doctored. As does the James Horak interview by Randy Maugans (from august 8), who's also posting here. He links to this interview through his article about this situation. At the same time Mad Martian is posting on the Camelot forum. Coordinated...?
I am even considering the idea of Elenin etc being a trick, (part of) a larger psyop, but that might be going to far.

[hangel]

I promised myself that I will not comment this thread any further because I don’t want to be a reason for upset and divisions. But I decided to change my mind because I would like to express that I am grateful that Kerry addressed the issue with Richard’s recent testimony.

I believe that however her intentions were pure it led me to the following concussions:

When two countries discover that they have a double agent what do they do?
a. they allow this guy to exist for a while to gather evidence against him and pin him down or
b. they eliminate the traitor ASAP
To my feelings RH (following my conclusions after reading Kerry’s letter) may be a double ‘whistleblower’.

Now, if somebody allows himself/herself to become whistleblower that usually the former ‘institution’ doesn’t want to know him/her any more. This is the risk of becoming whistleblower… If the institution keep seeing and interacting with the guy then this person cannot be named whistleblower. Another term is more appropriate: a spokesman. So to me RH – so to speak – is their spokesman. This is the neutral name of that role. If we in more ‘emotional’ settings then more suitable term comes to mind: a double agent.

My question is following: Why do we (as I hear from posts here) have to listen (on A&A 2011) RH’s brainwash for 3 hours when Kerry already knew he is playing a double act?
I know the whistleblowers are rare breed, but maybe by supporting (and so allowing to penetrate alternative media) somebody who’s intentions are ‘not clear’ we are scaring genuine whistleblowers who may be watching?

Other result of having double agents close to our hearts is that:

Let me give you example:
Like all relationships people’s interaction with Project Camelot may be like being in love with somebody. First we love that person unconditionally, we are in honeymoon time. We take whatever is said to us and we are like sponge – absorbing everything what the other party have to say with genuine believe that this is truth.

I had my honeymoon with Project Camelot sometime ago – perhaps like all of you.
Our relationship was cemented and foundations were built on trust. But then I see that my beloved left me dirty socks and unwashed plates, but my love is strong and I don’t mind. I put it into his stress, overwork etc. But one day I discovered that he cheated on me, by telling me ‘fat stories’.
I chose to stay with the partner – despite the way I feel about what he has been telling me, because at the end of the day I love him and I still trust, but from that moment on I’ll be watching him.

At this point please think of these who are in honeymoon period right now and on what they build they love.

Here I raise a question:
Do the alternative media have right to keep quiet to their listeners if they know somebody is not telling the truth? Maybe…. I don’t know. The formula is: the alternative media report to you (audience) and you assess for yourself. But why then Steven Greer was called a misinfo and RH no? I guess this is matter of bravery and having a wider cycle saying the same. I am very pleased that Kerry is being a brave girl..

As I said, I’ll stay with you Kerry because I see courage in you and love.
Other reason for me to be here is because I don’t see any other place to be. Inside me Im perhaps… scared and feeling overwhelmed by my experience I had some time ago and there is no other community who could give me more comfort.

As I said before, I am a scientist and I attend international conferences and meet ‘famous’ people in my field of research. Once I spoke to a nice gentleman in his early 60’s. It turned out that he is a head of research and development in major global corporation, which name will be familiar to all of you. He seemed to be extremely well orientated in my aims and comfort zone and relations in my research group. He advised me and it was a positive experience to receive his suggestions, but it shocked me how it is possible that he knew so much with no previous affiliation with my research group.

While in conversation with nice gentleman there came another participant of that conference – a young man in expensive suit, he was aware of who the nice gentleman was but didn’t seem to know him personally. The new guy didn’t pay much attention to me (what for I was glad, but this later). He introduced himself as a scientist representing another major global company. About 10-20 seconds after he turned up he looked directly at the nice gentleman and changed his appearance… He started to look different on his face. Because my previous knowledge from Project Camelot I realised what is happening. To put it straight – he become more reptilian like. He shape-shifted and maybe he just wanted to identify himself to the nice guy… I don’t know, and I don’t want to know.

Here came my intuition or guardian angel or my previous contact with Bill and Kerry’s work. All I can say is that I had one of these ‘Jordan Maxwell moments’ – a voice in my head saying ‘run’. I didn’t think twice I just run away.

I cannot express how I feel about that moment even from prospective of couple of years. How does it feel when reptilian stands 50 cm from you? I am brave person and as an undergraduate student stood up to the Dean of medium size university telling him what I thought of his points of view, but then at that conference I needed a nappy change.

This is why I am grateful to this community and I am aware that you are a target for what you do!

[karelia]

Specifically, who are we at war with? Who and what are they, and where do they come from? Where can one find more information, and what do you regard as a solution?

I think it all boils down to the Anunnaki, our creators. You have the Enlil faction (illuminati, BiPs, elite, PTW, cabal, etc; different names for the same group) and the Enki faction (humans). It's a war over control vs non-control. Enlil wants humanity enslaved, Enki wants humanity to be sovereigns. The fight has been going on for thousands of years, and by the looks of it, it's now coming to a final showdown. Anyway, that's the conclusion I arrived at after reading and watching everything I got my hands on in an everlasting search for truth, with many occasions of having to revise an opinion as I learned more. I don't even remember how I started, but I would think David Icke's books are a good start, as well as the Camelot library, and perhaps mythology. I'm partial to the Norse mythologies lately, but just see what resonates with you.

The solution? That's a loaded question, eh? ;) I can only speak for myself, but I think if each human being on this planet starts with the wish to become sovereign and then works from there, we would go a long way towards simply withdrawing the power from the cabal. And if humans stop compromising when it comes to ethic and moral codes today, we would wake up to a much improved world tomorrow. That's why it's so important to be vigilant; don't give in to the temptations of the ego, which is a lot easier said than done, but just make an effort and take it from there. Small steps at a time, but always towards improving more and more.

[Cartomancer]

I think that Asshat or Jackwagon would be a great name for a punk band. Anyone?

[randymaugans]

[QUOTE=Elixer;379918]Hi Randy.

I have say sorry, if I inferred anything about "you", personally with regard to RCH and others as icons---the threads get hard to parse. Yes, RCH, Wilcock and some others seem to have great media access, esp. on C2C---I think you can infer that I do not respect C2C, but then, it WAS groundbreaking back in the Art Bell days. How much great work is done by anyone should be assessed on the merits of results, accuracy, and integrity. As an interviewer I understand that at any time I can wind up with a guest who is blowing smoke, but frankly, I am so small that the climbers won't bother with me.

What I see in the "alternative media" is the same thing I see in mainstream: a coterie of favorite guests who only need to show up and be smarmy enough to keep folks entertained. I see the inherent desire to scale up the media ladder, have large audiences, and ascend to the same status as those "Hollywood" types...it's human nature. On the other hand, I suffered through the Michael Vara interview with Gary...it was painful to listen. No mainstream show would tolerate it, but it was authentic. Ditto for Kerry's brilliant late night phone call with a very scattered Anthony Sanchez...wonderfully raw.

Now. Was the James Horak interview edited? Yes. I have the luxury of editing, I also have the luxury of allowing people to do very long format interviews. Not all of the interview is relevant, and I do try to maintain some time restraints in the final audio due to file size and streaming bandwidth. In this case, we had another producer working on a video that would go on YouTube, so certain considerations were given to relative brevity without sacrificing the essential character of the interview.

But---that interview was produced from ONE conversation, and nothing was added to or taken from the discussion...and all was in sequence and context. As I recall, we were also suffering very bad Skype signal on that one. James Horak approved the final show, and the video was produced independently by Shuny. I have had many conversations with James, including another interview we did on the Ringmakers of Saturn/EMVs. In all cases, even in private chats, James is articulate, well thought out, and very fluent in his subject matter. In NO case, at any time, have I stitched together conversations to form an interview, or to reformulate what is presented.

I have no objections to you asking, these are fair questions. I suppose I am "public" in as I put myself out there. I certainly hope my listeners would use discernment and call BS if they hear it---and they do. Thanks for asking, my friend.


Thanks for responding.
First off, I wouldn't say RCH is an icon of mine, but I think it can objectively be said that he is a high profile personality in the Alternative Media.
That's what I mean by 'icon' and I think it is generally understood this way. Are you thinking of 'idol'?
Even then, I think both RCH and DW have done enough great work for some people to become fans or followers of their work.
It seems you are implying the same thing you accuse Kerry of doing, that those who follow these people or hold them up as their icons have been seriously fooled...('serious issues')

I don't want to derail the topic, but could you explain a little bit about the nature and extent of the edits done on that august interview with James Horak?
From what I hear, they appear to be quite extensive, to the point where one might think the entire interview was stitched together from another audio source.
For one thing there are no 'uhs' and 'uhms' in there. I've heard interviews of his where he is far less fluent. Maybe he was just on a roll?
In either case it was a very well crafted interview.

I don't mean to scrutinize you, but you are a public figure;)

[modwiz]

I think that Asshat or Jackwagon would be a great name for a punk band. Anyone?

Are there still punk bands?

[Star Tsar]

My sentiments exactly watchZEITGEISTnow...
;)

[Cartomancer]

I think that Asshat or Jackwagon would be a great name for a punk band. Anyone?

Are there still punk bands?

I guess what passes for punk today is too musical to be considered punk. I'm old enough to have worn a few skinny ties while I was pogoing. So old that I sit here enjoying some smooth jazz as I write this! I guess Jackwagon could also be a cow punk band name!

Anyhew, I hope Duncan and the rest of the gang settle their differences with out the use of such expletives. I guess I have now officially added these two terms to my lexicon. They're keepers!

[HaveBlue]

You're not thinking of the band Green Day are you modwiz? Surely not! I thought their song 'Don't want to be an American Idiot' which is not on their first album sums up the situation here rather well!

Disclaimer: Not all Americans are idiots and this post is for entertainment purposes only.

[modwiz]

You're not thinking of the band Green Day are you modwiz? Surely not! I thought their song 'Don't want to be an American Idiot' which is not on their first album sums up the situation here rather well!

Disclaimer: Not all Americans are idiots and this post is for entertainment purposes only.

No. Great band. I admire the depth of writing and musicianship.

American Idiot. Perfect!

[HaveBlue]

It is possible to agree to disagree, yes? And you're right. It's gone off topic.

RMorgan, are you saying because I'm a moderator, I'm not entitled to my opinion, or that I should not speak my opinion freely? I'm not just a moderator; I'm also a forum member. :)


Not being very clear about the position you are posting from, be it member or admin/mod is confusing at best and could in some cases be considered by some to be misleading and a conflict of interest.
Surely you would have had guidance/direction on this exact issue when you joined the mod team and to make it clear which 'hat' you are wearing at the time?
Otherwise you will find yourself constantly explaining your position to those to whom it is not obvious.
You mods have a hard enough job as it is I would've thought without having to take the time to expalin yourself like this on a constant basis. Especially to those not familiar with 'how it works'.
And while I have your attention, thank you for doing a rather thankless task that must take up alot of your time and energy. All forums need mods. good ones that is. good ones have good mods.

[karelia]

Not being very clear about the position you are posting from, be it member or admin/mod is confusing at best and could in some cases be considered by some to be misleading and a conflict of interest.
Surely you would have had guidance/direction on this exact issue when you joined the mod team and to make it clear which 'hat' you are wearing at the time?
Otherwise you will find yourself constantly explaining your position to those to whom it is not obvious.
You mods have a hard enough job as it is I would've thought without having to take the time to explain yourself like this on a constant basis. Especially to those not familiar with 'how it works'.
And while I have your attention, thank you for doing a rather thankless task that must take up alot of your time and energy. All forums need mods. good ones that is. good ones have good mods.

Thank you for pointing the not very clear bit out; it hadn't even crossed my mind. I will, with immediate effect, make an effort to start a post with ~mod hat on~ if I speak as a mod. Will that work?

Thank you also for your kind words. It can be at times a bit thankless, but most of the time it is rewarding to see members grow on their journey for the truth. :)

[mountain_jim]

Duncan has joined and posted. Welcome to Avalon!

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/member.php?9860-Duncan-O-Finioan

[Kristin]

Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[crosby]

duncan is now a member of avalon forum. i'm sure that he will be visiting this thread soon, if he hasn't already.
warmest, corson

mountain_jim, sorry didn't see that this had already been posted.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am glad Duncan has joined. Much better to have conversations WITH people than ABOUT them.

[Calz]

Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

If you read the follow-up it would be clear Duncan made no threat for harm or life to Wilcock.

He clearly has issue (as others do) regarding his message but don't distort the meaning.

Let us welcome Duncan with open arms as he has offered much to us.

[Kristin]

[QUOTE=Wormhole;381219]Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

"If you read the follow-up it would be clear Duncan made no threat for harm or life to Wilcock."

I have read the follow up, thank you for the clarification in case anyone else misconstrued what I mean which is: that I do not believe that the ongoing threat to Wilcock's life (which is presently the drama on other threads) is real. I believe it is real to David, poor guy, but I think he fell into the wrong crowd and is being duped by them. However, the threat to Duncan's life I believe was real and significant.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Calz, you can read my prior posts if you need further clarification on the subject. Thank you.

[KellyNUTS]

WOW, ive spent the last few hours reading every post in this thread. Either there are more agents in this forum than legitimate members or ALOT(not all) are still very deeply programmed people! Oh and very LAZY people also! So many expecting to get spoon fed everything!
/rant

Back on topic:

To quote Kerry:

But I too have an agenda.. a light side agenda..and there are a number of people who are serving the light even when they think they are serving the dark! Not many people recognize this.
Is it possible that YOU could be serving the dark when YOU think YOU are serving the light?
I know Kerry has good intentions, but sometimes its as if she is being negatively manipulated.
Also nice choice of words "serving"....

I humbly thank Bill & Kerry(& all of their true whistleblowers) for EVERYTHING they have done, I have been following them from their very 1st collaboration, the Mr. X interview, been following them ever since and have watched every video interview AT LEAST twice! I still continue to support them and I hope to for a long time yet....BUT I seriously think Kerry needs to address the "Mad Martian" situation properly, not with babbling about how whistleblowers are read psychically. Thats something u would expect from Fox News if it were in this type of field :p

Also if this situation was addressed properly from the start this sh!t wouldnt have gotten out of hand like it has now and seems like it will continue to do so!
Not to mention that the way this is being handled doesnt add up, the only 2 conclusions so far that I can see is that Hoagland has something beneficial for Kerry being the reason why she is aligning herself with him so strongly. Maybe something as simple as keeping him "onbaord" for his fanbase. Or that Kerry has emotional ties(no, not romantic) and is having a hard time let go, we've all most likely been down this road before, with friendships and/or relationships.

Im glad Duncan(& Miranda as well?) jumped on board with this topic, because before he did I didnt see this ending properly, but now there is hope we will get to the bottom of this and who better than someone who is straight down the line!



...
The 2012 story arc is coming to an end, pay attention, the next story arc will start revealing itself shortly... if it hasnt already. :wink:

PS: Anyone else see the hypocrisy in the censoring of "rude" words in this type of forum?

[transiten]

Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Welcome Duncan for sure but hey Wormhole, is there a competiton of some sorts?

[Kristin]

Glad to see Duncan here, funny how the drama on the Wilcock thread is flying while the man with the real threat to his life (Duncan) has entered centre stage with little fanfare. All for the best I think. I think I'd prefer it that way myself.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

Welcome Duncan for sure but hey Wormhole, is there a competiton of some sorts?

Not at all, I'm sorry you see it that way. I just thought Duncan was the type of guy who wouldn't want a big deal being made of his joining. That is the spirit that my comment was intended.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Sirius White]

I like Duncan.

I am sorry for his feelings and attitude towards Hoagland and others. But maybe he has a point.

I personally don't trust a word Hoagland says. Hoagland is a sensationlist who enjoys keeping people on the edge of their seats for who knows what. I don't mind Wilcock, he IS a bigger part of the puzzle- but he does seem to be letting Ego getting to him.

I have come pretty far in my journey and any time I have "followers" (I had a couple ask me to be a disciple, WTF!) I HAVE to say no. I'm not here to be a "master" and have people follow me around on cruise ships. This is the issue with truth seeking. It's okay to have fun, and even to make a bit of money.

But when the ego of being an "authority" of spiritual, or truthseeking movements gets to you- it becomes a problem.

Any initiate into the mysteries.Any Yogi knows that once you reach a certain threshold, your ego goes into "panic mode." It begins to die and hence holds on for dear life. This is the point that I see many of these public speakers at- they want the attention, the validation and energy of others almost unconsciously to validate their own "mastery." It is the big warning in any spiritual tradition, and it happens to many Yogi's who suddenly become "guru's" and try and amass followings, money, etc. The leader of TM meditation comes to mind.

That being said I don't hate Hoagland, nor Wilcock. I love wilcock he reminds me of myself. But he doesn't need to validate himself with the validation of others....and hes giving a bit much into the fear tactics that are being played upon him.

Duncan has been unfortunately, a victim of terrible things. I know he's genuine. I can sense it. Its a shame hes misplacing his anger on other people. But at least he has the balls to say something. I feel Duncan is far more authentic than the others in terms of who he is as a person, and doesn't bull**** too much or relish his new found fame in the alternative movement.

That being said I think he was a bit harsh. I've never liked Hoagland and his self-servicing nonsense, and I like wilcock in spirit, but he needs to check his ego! If he had any idea of how many of us are "chosen" and are doing BIG things but we aren't always on the internet glorifying ourselves, nor out in the public. Sometimes we can work BETTER and more effectively from out of the limelight than in it!!!!

Anyways.....I don't agree with Duncans approach, but I think its a much needed wake up call to the people who follow others like Guru's.

Remember the final thing the ego does before it dies is try desperately to latch on for dear life. And I am seeing this in many of these so called "Guru's.'

[transiten]

Life of Brian!Click! Enjoy!

http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=life%20of%20brian&source=web&cd=12&ved=0CIABELcCMAs&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DLQqq3e03EBQ&ei=mVrsTqPvM6eE4gTYgoCBCQ&usg=AFQjCNFbAP9VONEPxBYSbZbmhQAMCr1pjQ&cad=rja

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krb2OdQksMc&feature=fvwrel

[Chester]

Hi, My name is Sam Hunter. I am 54 and live in Panama. I am new to the forum and was hoping to find the right place to jump in and make my first post. This may be it. So here goes. This post is meant to be revelatory about myself so other posters can get a feel for me, etc. Sometimes I drift into a question/answer format to demonstrate the dialogue I have within myself. Do not confuse my delivery style to imply in any way I think my experiences and conclusions are or should be the case for anyone else nor the decisions I came to should apply to anyone else. If I am able to help, it is important to cut off some of the fat and this is the intention of my post.

Some of us who have been in one of these mind control programs - like MK Ultra, Artichoke, Monarch, etc. may have reached a point in their human experience where they have been able to transcend the personal issues related to this sad part of their past. In some cases this involves relatives and can even go back for generations. Surely, a great deal for an individual to process much less overcome by most standards. But by being able to put it truly behind them, they might not only regain their personal sovereignty but also from the experience, be in position to refashion a completely new point of view based on their ability to have acquired a whole new reality

OK, so a ‘victim’... then the victim who rises above (the ‘risen’)... and then the victim who realizes he is only his own victim (the ‘realized’) – a new point of view – the past, the actors involved with myself as one, all released... not due so much to being forgiven, no. That’s still a trap for me – judgment/forgiveness cycle... no... This is done by acquiring a totally new point of view, where understanding was a result. Can’t judge from this new place – it’s a whole new reality here.

At this point, one might be at this precious crossroads. If they truly observe life – they begin to realize that they really do fashion their reality... the stuff that happens in their immediate world does indeed seem to be a direct reflection of the stability maintained (or not) within their own mind and emotions. But then the next light goes on and, well for me at least, I was at the critical decision point.

If I see how magic works... and if I was honest that I was never any good at willful application of this strange idea - magic (I unconsciously played in this world and suspect we all mostly do) I might have reached the point where – let’s borrow from AA – I ended up having to turn it all over to ‘something greater than myself’ - something able to do a better job. Sounds like someone who may have overcome an addiction or some similar issue, right? True, but are you ever cured? I hope I never think so. But also ... could that be the ultimate aim of the creators of an Artichoke graduate perhaps? – that knowing most fail but knowing or hoping at least some make it through?

Is this any different from what those who passed through the schools of the right and left eyes of Horus – what... 12 years each at that time?

So you have some that perhaps survive to resolve their programming issues, chalk it up to experience, and... if we sometimes sink into the blame game - we know that this person is and can only ever be the man in the mirror.

And then like the phoenix, we rise up from the ashes to be the new creation.
You aren’t owned anymore by the scientists behind it all. In fact... for a few – true freedom is experienced – and imagine! To have it while still alive and in the living flesh?

Sounds pretty cool to me.
So then where would we be at? Besides being quite dangerous – this is the last ground to cover.

Service to self or service to others – easy and black and white.

What you chose is defined by how you live I suppose. But most of us spontaneously answer ‘service to others’ because we know that’s right for our place and times, but are we truly aligned with that in the heart? For most of my life I truly thought I was, but I saw a few years ago everyone else was truly second. I changed, and it was easy. Why? Because my life totally changed almost overnight. I pray I never forget this lesson.

If I died today, the scales of Maat would still tip the wrong way for my past, but I am not dead yet. And I have, for a long time now, been for others – long enough now I trust myself enough to join this community and offer of myself in any capacity that is helpful for our human family as a whole, in fact, all life.

I hope this first post is forgiven as it probably pushes up against some of the forum standards. I had to do a bit of soul expression and I just wanna help and I know I can, I know it.

I would be happy to talk with Duncan anytime if he wants to work through some more of his nightmare through a fresh lens. I have unique perspectives that can perhaps facilitate some further relief. All due to personal experience. So, I really think I can help there too, I hate seeing folks getting him all twisted up.

[Calz]

Calz, you can read my prior posts if you need further clarification on the subject. Thank you.

Sorry Wormhole ... yes I see I misread your words.

I stand corrected.

:thank_you2:

[sygh]

I'm pretty blown away by the depth of perfection on this thread. There also seems to be a short length of attention span running rampant, as well as lack of common courtesy.

Not long ago, people were begging to see these people. Begging. A couple of years later, when they are still trying to oblige by keeping things going with current information and a backbone to build upon, I guess that makes them sitting ducks for tongue lashing target practice from the balcony seats? Now they are the bad guys for making a living out of what it is they do?

Other people are screwing us royally, and now Kerry and Bill, etal., bla, bla, bla... are bad too by association? The whole thing is just a carnaval cruze meant to entertain? Next show at 11? No meaning, no content to be personally injested, or assimilated? Someone works hard to bring people together, or write a book and it should all be free? NO care for the well being of the person who did the work, just as long as you get your discernment fix?

Come on people. If Hoagland is making "predictions" it makes sense to say this, and really not much more... Hoagland deserves some respect for what he's done but ...he's just a man. You all should know by now, it's never good to put anyone on a pedestal. Where shall we go tomorrow my lord? What will we see? What will we do?

Just take him for what he is. You all sound like you're sipping wine at a tasting party.

[Thinking Allowed]

If Duncan was a super soldier who chose to spill the beans then he would have been erased a long time ago. If he had metal parts inserted into his body to give him incredible strength then an X Ray would show this up or a simple example of his super human feats on camera would have me lapping it all up like a kitten. Pot, kettle, black?

[Chester]

So true, Sygh - seems so many lose sight of the fact that it’s not money that’s the problem. Nor the honest generation of a share of that pool if the pool is based on a reality in which we all have a chance to tap into the pool fairly.

I just joined this forum. I did so because I thought the folks here had pretty much moved past this issue long ago.

If people benefit financially from their work and that work is beneficial to the world and the people behind those efforts are led by their heart, it will only be a short time before this type of debate is no longer visited because it will be clear to all of us that the money was only for facilitation of expansion of their works and a little bit left over to catch a movie on sometime. Cause folks, that’s about all most of these guys have ever garner materially.
I consider my past and know that by maturing, growing up a bit (expressed by coming out as one who is dedicated to the light side recognizing that they are emerging from a powerful component within the dark side) that by charging occasionally for content this be some type of credibility busting breech, then I should have been charged, convicted and executed several times over for the mistakes I have made.
So in an environment like this where we have human beings who have long ago laid down their life. Yes – Bill and Kerry type folk... I am certain they have already had their ‘turn their life over moment’ and that is why they are all but devoid of any fear. Personal moments like that are truly freeing and provide real strength - that’s when real light workers know the work is real. And we know that when we are weak, strength comes from somewhere else but it always comes in proportion to the faith we have in what will be the fruits of our labor.
So, I have to consider what would it take?
We have real live humans, who are doing work no less great than the greatest who have ever lived on this planet and it’s still not enough to open our eyes that we are cared for children of a true source of love? So we can stop these childish games we run on this planet?

Because this is the exact type of environment where an end times scenario with messiah and all could be launched.
We already know one of the end times games is the messiah gig.
So, I wonder what the heck is it going to take?
These folks that are doing these projects like Camelot and Avalon are all but living human angels (a metaphor but a darn good one IMO). Yet seems few recognize this. Their efforts alone have been central to my own personal revelations and rehabilitation and in fact I would say that these two specific projects were the reason I was able to resolve my own MK Ultra experience and actually turn my life into a major positive – and yes... this is the first time I have ever stated in any public way this fact as it is personal but I state it because here is the truth –
About 1.5 years back I was at the bottom. The information I was able to obtain from Kerry and Bill’s interviews led me to some personal dot connection which led to a true transformation in my person where I am now a major positive force for 6 people, my three sons and my wife, daughter and my wife’s sister. What is the point? Instead of me continuing on my negative path and my family suffering emotionally as well as in the area of my financial support, I was able to make a 180 degree change in my life. 6 people now win when they have been losing for years. 6 people now put positive energy back into the grid ... well, I forgot myself so that actually makes 7. I was as sick as a human can get. These two projects and something else that saw the small pocket of goodness left in my heart changed all this.
Personally, I have never benefited financially from discussing my experience. I could see one day helping others who are having difficulty with their past and I could see (if I could justify needing the money) accepting money for my efforts. Why that would be no problem for me is because I know in my heart that the money is secondary. The only reason I haven’t ever charged is because up till now, I haven’t had to because I am able to support my family and myself good enough. 99% of these folks that sometimes charge so they can continue to provide this content do it because they are not born independently wealthy nor independently, permanently lucky or I bet they wouldn't waste 5 seconds in attempting to gain financial support.

Can’t this community move past this?

[Unified Serenity]

So true, Sygh - seems so many lose sight of the fact that it’s not money that’s the problem. Nor the honest generation of a share of that pool if the pool is based on a reality in which we all have a chance to tap into the pool fairly.

I just joined this forum. I did so because I thought the folks here had pretty much moved past this issue long ago.

If people benefit financially from their work and that work is beneficial to the world and the people behind those efforts are led by their heart, it will only be a short time before this type of debate is no longer visited because it will be clear to all of us that the money was only for facilitation of expansion of their works and a little bit left over to catch a movie on sometime. Cause folks, that’s about all most of these guys have ever garner materially.
I consider my past and know that by maturing, growing up a bit (expressed by coming out as one who is dedicated to the light side recognizing that they are emerging from a powerful component within the dark side) that by charging occasionally for content this be some type of credibility busting breech, then I should have been charged, convicted and executed several times over for the mistakes I have made.
So in an environment like this where we have human beings who have long ago laid down their life. Yes – Bill and Kerry type folk... I am certain they have already had their ‘turn their life over moment’ and that is why they are all but devoid of any fear. Personal moments like that are truly freeing and provide real strength - that’s when real light workers know the work is real. And we know that when we are weak, strength comes from somewhere else but it always comes in proportion to the faith we have in what will be the fruits of our labor.
So, I have to consider what would it take?
We have real live humans, who are doing work no less great than the greatest who have ever lived on this planet and it’s still not enough to open our eyes that we are cared for children of a true source of love? So we can stop these childish games we run on this planet?

Because this is the exact type of environment where an end times scenario with messiah and all could be launched.
We already know one of the end times games is the messiah gig.
So, I wonder what the heck is it going to take?
These folks that are doing these projects like Camelot and Avalon are all but living human angels (a metaphor but a darn good one IMO). Yet seems few recognize this. Their efforts alone have been central to my own personal revelations and rehabilitation and in fact I would say that these two specific projects were the reason I was able to resolve my own MK Ultra experience and actually turn my life into a major positive – and yes... this is the first time I have ever stated in any public way this fact as it is personal but I state it because here is the truth –
About 1.5 years back I was at the bottom. The information I was able to obtain from Kerry and Bill’s interviews led me to some personal dot connection which led to a true transformation in my person where I am now a major positive force for 6 people, my three sons and my wife, daughter and my wife’s sister. What is the point? Instead of me continuing on my negative path and my family suffering emotionally as well as in the area of my financial support, I was able to make a 180 degree change in my life. 6 people now win when they have been losing for years. 6 people now put positive energy back into the grid ... well, I forgot myself so that actually makes 7. I was as sick as a human can get. These two projects and something else that saw the small pocket of goodness left in my heart changed all this.
Personally, I have never benefited financially from discussing my experience. I could see one day helping others who are having difficulty with their past and I could see (if I could justify needing the money) accepting money for my efforts. Why that would be no problem for me is because I know in my heart that the money is secondary. The only reason I haven’t ever charged is because up till now, I haven’t had to because I am able to support my family and myself good enough. 99% of these folks that sometimes charge so they can continue to provide this content do it because they are not born independently wealthy nor independently, permanently lucky or I bet they would.

Can’t this community move past this?

I understand and appreciate the pain you have gone through and possibly still experience when triggered by certain events, energy, and less than harmonious environs in a place that you feel safe. I happen to agree with everything Duncan said about DW. I also find it amusing that some light has been shed by Bill regarding the games being played in that interview. It's that sort of stuff that I pick up on. I knew it was BS. Was DW really threatened? I don't know, but if he thinks he was then so be it. I called it like I saw it. I did not accuse DW of being a girl, that honor is left to us girls who live with you men daily. I do find it offputting that DW did put on such a display of emotion given his highly evolved state of oneness, love, and light and death is just a doorway talk he gives, but apparently does not truly grasp and believe otherwise their was no need to the display of emotion. That's my opinion, and now that this other info is out, and DW KNEW who anon. was people are wanting to say he was caught up in the moment and didn't know.... I call that bull****. DW in whatever way by purpose or programming was manipulating the masses. He may have been motivated to get more people to his site, to sell books, or just because the drama feels good.

I dunno what's going on here on PA, because every few weeks now we get a new wholesale drama war going on. It's very wearing on the energy here, and I think it's is meant to destroy the community. So, what am I to do? Sit back and not say a word when I see something that is not good or truthful? I feel like it is watching a huge storm coming in, saying nothing, but covering my ass and letting you all fry. Yes, I have been told before how condescending that is to think I need to protect any of you. So, there I have it. Sit back and watch the drama and laugh my ass off when someone is discovered to be a liar and fake and has eaten away time, money and energy from this very loving community or speak up despite being attacked energetically by the very people I love? And yes, I was attacked yesterday, but I handled it fairly well. I was a bit put off by all the ass kissing over Duncan, but that's probably just my hurt pride, which is not a big deal. It definitely showed me we are in some serious trouble if people think reading about being awake and aware means anything towards truly evolving spiritually and knowing truth when you see it, and can feel it.

[Jenci]

If Duncan was a super soldier who chose to spill the beans then he would have been erased a long time ago. If he had metal parts inserted into his body to give him incredible strength then an X Ray would show this up or a simple example of his super human feats on camera would have me lapping it all up like a kitten. Pot, kettle, black?


Maybe....or maybe not.

Personally I find it better not to use such simplistic criteria for determining what is true and false. I'm sure the PBT would like us to use such an approach and they may use that to their advantage.

I think there is a lot more to Duncan's story than his implant and supersoldier skills.
I'm keeping an open mind and not drawing any conclusions - that way I'm open to the next piece of information which presents itself.
Jeanette

[Unified Serenity]

If Duncan was a super soldier who chose to spill the beans then he would have been erased a long time ago. If he had metal parts inserted into his body to give him incredible strength then an X Ray would show this up or a simple example of his super human feats on camera would have me lapping it all up like a kitten. Pot, kettle, black?


Maybe....or maybe not.

Personally I find it better not to use such simplistic criteria for determining what is true and false. I'm sure the PBT would like us to use such an approach and they may use that to their advantage.

I think there is a lot more to Duncan's story than his implant and supersoldier skills.
I'm keeping an open mind and not drawing any conclusions - that way I'm open to the next piece of information which presents itself.
Jeanette

Proof is nice, but I got to a point that I quit the dog and pony show when people found out about my abilities. I won't even entertain my daughter who begs me to. I use energetics when necessary. I can't imagine having an implant that gave me special abilities and having people want to see me use it. I also imagine it is top secret and saying vs filming it are two different things. Duncan is true in my gut. I don't trust him because of his programming, but I do trust him at the same time energetically to get stuff done. I'd just be careful, sorta like sleeping with a mountain lion. It takes time to trust in that situation. I like Duncan quite a bit.

[randymaugans]

Posted by Thinking Allowed (here)
If Duncan was a super soldier who chose to spill the beans then he would have been erased a long time ago. If he had metal parts inserted into his body to give him incredible strength then an X Ray would show this up or a simple example of his super human feats on camera would have me lapping it all up like a kitten. Pot, kettle, black?


Duncan's story and the modifications made to him under Project Talent are well documented, anecdotally and with evidence (his implant was x-rayed for the Jesse Ventura Conspiracy Theory TV show). Duncan does NOT claim to be a "super soldier"---he hates the term and does not use it. His core skills are ones he was trained in, including psychic abilities---but were already part of his "profile" when he was taken by the project at age nine. If you want to view his skills, go to his website---there are videos there that are quite stunning, including one where his "alternate" kicks in unexpectantly. That said, he is not "Circus Boy" and has no need to prove anything!

Duncan is alive today because of his own inner strengths---the skills he inherited from his background and which he trains in...he has survived multiple death attempts, and both he and Miranda continue to fight daily against attack. Both have also lived lives at the edges of poverty, and years of struggles to regain their own personalities ---all while functioning under severe mind control and constant harassment. YOU---"Thinking Allowed", have not only NOT done your research on the matter (all public info.) but speak ignorantly of things you clearly do not understand...life ain't that simple, Jack!

Randy Maugans

[daci]

Here is a very interesting debate on Off Planet Radio... about all these stuff with Richard Hoagland... &Co

Be well!

http://www.offplanetradio.com/

[NancyV]

Here is a very interesting debate on Off Planet Radio... about all these stuff with Richard Hoagland... &Co

Be well!

http://www.offplanetradio.com/
Thanks, daci. This is one of the best debates I've heard yet regarding the info coming out about Hoagland.

[Daft Ada]

Yes thanks Daci, that was interesting, Hoagland soon won't be able to show his face, one reaps what one sows.

[Thinking Allowed]

randymaugans,

I think your comments are unfair. Jesse ventura's show (which I watched first time around) does not show anything substantial regarding Duncan's terminator like arm (did I dream this or did he state that his arm had super strength in his PC interview?). It shows still images of small looking implants and does not give any commentary about the images as to whether they were real or just shown for effect by some photoshopping. I agree that I don't know everything about DOF, but I've seen enough interviews with him to determine that I have no belief in his story. For that I am not sorry, or ignorant in my views. There are far too many story tellers in this filed, doing a massive dis-service to people who want to know the truth, of which I am one. It really bothers me when someone has the chance to blow the lid off this thing and holds back after seeking the publicity. I personally would be giving all the evidence I could to convince the masses of what is going on, even if my life depended on it. Sure, it's easy for me to say that when I have nothing to show. Perhaps under these circumstances I would just take cover. But I would not seek the limelight unless I was willing to show some proof of my allegations regardless of the consequences.

Here's the link to DOF's Jesse Ventura appearance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=kPTQbka1vp4

[Chester]

Makes you wonder how many out there (who may start to reconnect their own dots) observe the... difficulty so much of the public seem to have in accepting that these programs happened, that even though a graduate may have resolved their own issues, some might be capable of turning their experiences around so they can help others still struggling - can you imagine all the frustration they must have to deal with? Those experiences seem horrific in one sense, but the opportunity one might obtain - such as massive consciousness expansion, if used for the unified good for all - would probably be quite a lonely life. Wow I feel for those folks. whew wow. For me I have no doubt regarding Duncan's experience as he perceived(s) it is very real. Real real as well as ethereally real.

[taliesin]

I'm starting to wonder if the source for the alleged death threats on DW are those hastily composed and later lengthily explained words of DoF's?

Chinese whispers.

Tx

[karelia]

randymaugans,

I think your comments are unfair. Jesse ventura's show (which I watched first time around) does not show anything substantial regarding Duncan's terminator like arm (did I dream this or did he state that his arm had super strength in his PC interview?). It shows still images of small looking implants and does not give any commentary about the images as to whether they were real or just shown for effect by some photoshopping. I agree that I don't know everything about DOF, but I've seen enough interviews with him to determine that I have no belief in his story. For that I am not sorry, or ignorant in my views. There are far too many story tellers in this filed, doing a massive dis-service to people who want to know the truth, of which I am one. It really bothers me when someone has the chance to blow the lid off this thing and holds back after seeking the publicity. I personally would be giving all the evidence I could to convince the masses of what is going on, even if my life depended on it. Sure, it's easy for me to say that when I have nothing to show. Perhaps under these circumstances I would just take cover. But I would not seek the limelight unless I was willing to show some proof of my allegations regardless of the consequences.

Here's the link to DOF's Jesse Ventura appearance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=GB&v=kPTQbka1vp4

I wonder whose comments are unfair, Thinking Allowed. Have you ever bothered to think just how much courage it takes in this world to come forward with the kind of experiences Duncan and Miranda went through? It isn't about seeking limelight. It's about having enough courage to face a truckload of ridicule for helping one single being who's had similar experiences at a time. And then the ridicule starts again, and then maybe another one gains strength from Duncan's and Miranda's words.

Do you have any, even remote, idea what it feels like to remember what you were made to do, what you went through, when you start regaining memories? I don't think you have any clue whatsoever. Nobody is asking you to believe him. But don't pretend no ignorance when you're displaying it so blatantly. It is because of posts like yours above that thousands upon thousands who were abused, be it in various projects or satanic ritual, won't come forward to tell the truth in a public setting.

[nomadguy]

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I just sent this message to Duncan and Miranda:





SUPPORT FOR YOU ON PROJECT AVALON

Duncan, Miranda, you said a great deal that needed to be said. All power to you both. I understand what it is to be a warrior of your nature.

You're fighting for everything that's worth fighting for right now. There are a lot of people in the alternative community who are way on the wrong track, and have been for quite a while.

If you'd like us to create an account for you at the Avalon Forum, it'd be an honor and a privilege -- you'd be very well-protected, and you have MANY friends and supporters there. They're a pretty intelligent and alert crew, most of whom have their feet firmly on the ground and admire and greatly respect your courage, common sense, and commitment.

Warmest wishes to you both -- Bill





I second that,
"Hail the Greywalkers. Until the end"!

[Unified Serenity]

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I just sent this message to Duncan and Miranda:





SUPPORT FOR YOU ON PROJECT AVALON

Duncan, Miranda, you said a great deal that needed to be said. All power to you both. I understand what it is to be a warrior of your nature.

You're fighting for everything that's worth fighting for right now. There are a lot of people in the alternative community who are way on the wrong track, and have been for quite a while.

If you'd like us to create an account for you at the Avalon Forum, it'd be an honor and a privilege -- you'd be very well-protected, and you have MANY friends and supporters there. They're a pretty intelligent and alert crew, most of whom have their feet firmly on the ground and admire and greatly respect your courage, common sense, and commitment.

Warmest wishes to you both -- Bill





I second that,
"Hail the Greywalkers. Until the end"!

You Betcha!

[Sirius White]

I really wish Jesse Venturas show was less sensational and "out there' lol.

But I'm glad he's exposing this now.

As for people asking for indefinite proof. You have "no idea' how sensitive this is. It WILL come people, but the TIMING has to be right.

Duncan, if you are reading this please come to some understanding with the two.

Why? Because if you make all these enemies in the alternative movement, then all their followers will also hate you (look at UFOtruthseeker, aka james on the youtube channel) and seek to discredit you. You might not care what people think about you, but its important if we want to distribute truth not to create enemies.

I have been through some kind of strange MK-like stuff too, but I don't know the extent of it (nor do I wish to at this moment). So I can see it in your eyes you are tellin the truth.

I know you are fed up with all these people so ignorant and not able to even give the truth a chance. But remember that humans are stubborn creatures, you and everyone else included :)

I wish you the best of luck and love in your journey.

[Duncan O'Finioan]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/wake-the-hell-up/

Enemies??? Bring um!!

[Tangri]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/20/wake-the-hell-up/

Enemies??? Bring um!!

Is there any influence there?

[Belle]

Thanks for the link, Duncan. So sorry to hear your Godmother fell in battle. My heart goes out to you and yours with hopes of her recovery. Any updates you may have would be appreciated.

What can we do to help?

[jackovesk]

Wow, we all have flaws, but it's just out of proportion to vilify David Wilcock, Richard Hoagland and Sean David Morton so vigorously, there is nothing of substance in it, just attacks and unsubstantiated claims, allusions and insinuations.



nothing of substance in it

Christian, I'm really not so sure about that...:noidea:

Admittedly, the OP reference site was taken down before I got a chance to read Duncan's Rant...

But...



David Wilcock
Richard Hoagland
Sean David Morton


Have (All) been guilty of stratching the Truth and in some cases, downright fabrications...

Especially 'SDM' with his 'God Almighty - I'm Smarter' than everyone on the planet syndrome...:noidea:

I'm sure he just likes to hear the sound of his own voice, spewing out utter gibberish most of the time. That's if you can understand 'Fast-Spoken' Swahili...:faint:

So whatever Duncan said, I'm sure he had reason for doing so in his own unique way...:)

[christian]

I'm really not so sure about that...:noidea:

I'm not either, this has been more than two years ago... What motivated you to dig here? :)

No idea what Duncan's blog post said, there really might have been no cold hard facts, i.e. "nothing of substance." Anyways, all four of these people (David, Richard, Sean, and Duncan) have merits as well as they have weaknesses. Admittedly, the only straight shooter among them seems to be Duncan though... I guess I just wanted to say something to the effect of "let's put it into perspective."

[jackovesk]

I'm really not so sure about that...:noidea:

I'm not either, this has been more than two years ago... What motivated you to dig here? :)

No idea what Duncan's blog post said, there really might have been no cold hard facts, i.e. "nothing of substance." Anyways, all four of these people (David, Richard, Sean, and Duncan) have merits as well as they have weaknesses. Admittedly, the only straight shooter among them seems to be Duncan though... I guess I just wanted to say something to the effect of "let's put it into perspective."


What motivated you to dig here? :)

That's an extremely Good question Christian...:yes4:

In all honesty, I have no idea how I stumbled across this thread...:noidea:

Must be going through my Anti-Wilcock-Hoagland phase with the Bafoon (SDM) thrown in for good measure...

Sorry about that, but I still think these 3 over the years have some serious backpedaling to be done...:yes4:

[DNA]

With posts like that, full of threats and profanity, no wonder so many people hate him.

I agree. The guy basically goes after Wilcock and Hoagland while really not offering anything substantial except his claims about being a light warrior.

Duncan is not cool in my opinion.

[jackovesk]

I'm really not so sure about that...:noidea:

I'm not either, this has been more than two years ago... What motivated you to dig here? :)

No idea what Duncan's blog post said, there really might have been no cold hard facts, i.e. "nothing of substance." Anyways, all four of these people (David, Richard, Sean, and Duncan) have merits as well as they have weaknesses. Admittedly, the only straight shooter among them seems to be Duncan though... I guess I just wanted to say something to the effect of "let's put it into perspective."


What motivated you to dig here? :)

That's an extremely Good question Christian...:yes4:

In all honesty, I have no idea how I stumbled across this thread...:noidea:

Must be going through my Anti-Wilcock-Hoagland phase with the Bafoon (SDM) thrown in for good measure...

Sorry about that, but I still think these 3 over the years have some serious backpedaling to be done...:yes4:

@ Christian

PS - It finally dawned on me how I arrived on this thread...

At times I go to the (Who's Online) section and see what our (Guests) are reading and instead of thinking about the 'Date' I clicked on what I thought was a new Thread ("Duncan O’Finioan vs Richard C. Hoagland and wife") and subsequently landed here...

Now there's a bit of useless information for you, but it is the Truth...:yes4: