Speculative, Esoteric Metaphysics

[Mark]

Greetings, Avalonians. In the Spirit of Understanding:


Avalon 2 has since been very successful. But the distracting and diverting trend for posting speculative, esoteric metaphysics -- and channeled information, only a small proportion of which may be valid -- has continued.

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I don't want to censor what is in my opinion delusional, zero-value nonsense from Georgi Stankov and Mike Quinsey -- but I'm not very comfortable with so much attention devoted to it.

My very strong personal opinion is that it simply wastes everyone's time -- when they could be more valuably attending to serious matters.

Here, perhaps, is a good discussion for Project Avalon to consider, considering all. Here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36505-The-original-purpose-of-the-Avalon-Forum) is the topic Bill wrote about Avalon's original purpose from which the quotes are taken. At the core of all endeavors lies the heart and soul of it.

Forums that discuss advanced topics such as Project Camelot and Project Avalon and others are invariably comprised of individuals seeking information that helps them to understand their world. Conspiracy-related topics comprise a large proportion of this information; alternative viewpoints regarding Archaeology, Biology, History, Geography, Science in general and the validity of science specifically.

We range from discussing current events here to the most esoteric of topics. Given the desire of Ownership and Administration to return the Forum to its roots, which we are told has to do more with:


The history of the forum has gone through quite a few evolutionary stages. It started pretty much exactly as I stated: to network, connect with local groups, exchange good information, and inform ourselves worldwide about preparing, equipping and establishing ourselves as what George Green called The Ground Crew.

It seems there is a fundamental schism between Truth Seekers and their orientations.

1) Those oriented toward the Catastrophic Timeline: Nothing weird is going to happen in 2012. Things will progress generally as usual, there may be changing weather, earthquakes, maybe something is in-coming from beyond, maybe not. There may be aliens, maybe not. The primary issue at hand is saving humanity from the Anglo-Saxon Mission of killing off most of humanity and continuing the Global White Supremacy System until the end of eternity. We've got to create small communities to survive, build our bunkers, store our weapons and figure out how we're going to protect ourselves against these buggers when the time comes.

2) Those oriented toward the New Earth Timeline: 2012 will result in the transformation of humanity and the world. A dimensional/density shift is going to occur and some people (or all) are going to be elevated to a higher plane of existence. The Earth may split into 2 and everybody has to make a choice. When it does split those in the lower timeline won't know it, to them, it'll seem like the weirdos all died. The New Earth will be pristine, beautiful, communication and interaction with higher dimensional and extra-terrestrial entities will be opened up for all and the continuing evolution of humanity and the fulfillment of our greater destiny will be at hand.

The schism between the two is formidable, as each side believes the other side is delusional. And this is all within the context of a so-called "conscious" or "New-Earth" community, split by speculative, esoteric metaphysics. The idea that perhaps the entire idea of "sides" is a mis-conception in the first place - especially at this level of understanding - doesn't result in a uniting of viewpoints, but often results in even more argumentation and the rising of ire, recriminations, blame and animus.

It's possible that my formulation of 2 sides can be modified, or may only represent two extremes. It's also possible that using the speculative terms, 'catastrophic timeline' and 'new age timeline' may evoke uncomfortable associations with weird science and delusional belief systems. It is possible that many exist somewhere between these two extremes and desire with all of their souls to find out the Truth which may also lie somewhere between both viewpoints.

Considering the amount of negative attention that is placed upon those who exit the domain of the mainstream in the first place, for those who choose to do so and begin their journey of discovery, to find out that such a schism exists even among the Awakened once again forces a decision pertaining to which side to choose, what to believe and who. Another system beyond the system they just exited.

It takes years to pierce the veil for most. To study and come to some understanding of the nature of the world and reality. Maybe some are forcibly brought to a new understanding by events in their lives, shifts in their perception or the nature of their interaction with reality. To find others engaged in the same search, that have gone through the same tribulations and that have arrived at some perceived safe haven beyond the storm is a balm to wounded souls. And yet, the subjective nature of perception demands that, even when ensconced within a community of relatively like-minds, disagreement, argumentation and debate will continue, which is as it should be.

But are both sides mutually exclusive? Can these two attempted understandings of the world as experience exist side by side in the same space? Or is the impetus to eject a dissenting viewpoint so strong and so much a part of human nature that those who do not toe some invisible but formidable between the two viewpoints must go elsewhere in order to find and share information or seek out a community of like-minds? Or, are the too-far-out-there-weirdos to weird for the just-a-bit-out-there weirdos?

This is the core issue facing spaces of this nature, where communication is primary and direct action only possible after such interaction has taken place. At this level, all else is distraction from the potentiality of clear and elevating conversation and, hopefully, the discovery of relevant and realistic solutions.

[geoff]

Dear Rahkyt first I would like to say that I love your posts they are always well thought out, intelligent and interesting; I just wished that I had half your capacity for expressing my self in words as you do. I think that basically there are two kinds of 'awakened' people on PA, those who have awakened in the David Icke meaning of the word, aware of the Government manipulation they have suffered through the years, the lies and untruths that they have been fed, and those who have awakened in a more' spiritual sense; an awareness of a spiritual reality. I personally think that the second awakening is the stronger, because if you began to question reality or have experiences out side of the normal paradigm you naturally begin to question other aspects of reality, especially as you observe the behaviour of the sleeping masses that surround you. I didn't need the Project Camelot videos to open my mind they just gave me more information, and I watched a lot of them; and after a while they started to have a negative effect. You got the impression that the only people of worth were scientists, ex military personnel, practically minded people. Well where did that leave me. A poor artist, a seeker of a deeper truth? Do I have nothing to contribute, to be honest I wouldn't have given a lot of people in the videos the time of day. Then came Anelia Benz like a breath of fresh air, I can do something! Great I can be me.
The first paradigm that you spoke about, yeah could be true it certainly appears to be possible. Ok but i've heard stuff like that from childhood, mutual nuclear destruction, the end of the world and so far it hasn't come to pass. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I live in a rural area I have good neighbours, I learnt to grow vegetables, I don't have a gun and I don't want one, thanxs; not much more I can do apart from spread info and show by example another way of living.
The second paradigm, yeah could be true, sounds a bit spacey, but mankind certainly has to evolve quickly if the Earth is going to survive, that's something I have always believed. Will it happen over night, I don't think so. Would I have an interest in visiting PA if it became a obsessed with a survivalist mentality? I doubt it.
Are the two paradigm's interweavable? Of course. But keep grounded

[Mark]

Dear Rahkyt first I would like to say that I love your posts they are always well thought out, intelligent and interesting; I just wished that I had half your capacity for expressing my self in words as you do.

I'm happy to share, Geoff, to engage. I really learned to write just like this, reading, interacting, engaging in discussions and debates, a lot of academic and creative writing. Thank you for your kind words and also for this excellent and thoughtful response.


I think that basically there are two kinds of 'awakened' people on PA, those who have awakened in the David Icke meaning of the word, aware of the Government manipulation they have suffered through the years, the lies and untruths that they have been fed, and those who have awakened in a more' spiritual sense; an awareness of a spiritual reality. I personally think that the second awakening is the stronger, because if you began to question reality or have experiences out side of the normal paradigm you naturally begin to question other aspects of reality, especially as you observe the behaviour of the sleeping masses that surround you.

I agree, with the addition that there are those who are both, awakened to the PTW and awakened to the importance of spirit. I think this is where the fundamental conflict lies. That what we see in an external manner between individuals regarding these issues are really an externalization of the internal conflict of people to reconcile new and seemingly impossible information with their own body of knowledge. Working that kind of conflict out in a space that is at least partially dedicated to such can only be a positive thing for all involved, no matter how it may seem to look.

There is too much that Western society likes to leave unspoken. Individuals, families, friends. We don't talk of certain things. Its built-in alienation of the individual from Self and Society is something that afflicts us all at an almost subliminal level and we hardly realize that we express it through the sub-text of our spoken and written words, our body language, our silences.

But those thing we don't like to talk about are often the only things that should be talked about. The things that are necessary to talk about in order to move forward. As a result, we run into the same difficulties over and over again because we do talk about the surface manifestation of these deeper truths, we can argue about them, debate them, but once you reach a certain depth and attempt to assail that which underlies, silence.

In other words, the questioning of aspects of reality lead one to new information but we take our old habits with us when we get there and we don't realize that we have to shift ourselves often in order to align with our new viewpoint of reality.


I didn't need the Project Camelot videos to open my mind they just gave me more information, and I watched a lot of them; and after a while they started to have a negative effect. You got the impression that the only people of worth were scientists, ex military personnel, practically minded people. Well where did that leave me. A poor artist, a seeker of a deeper truth? Do I have nothing to contribute, to be honest I wouldn't have given a lot of people in the videos the time of day. Then came Anelia Benz like a breath of fresh air, I can do something! Great I can be me.

Great point. I've had thoughts like this before. Kind of like, well, these people are "important" because they have these experiences, I don't have these experiences, where does this leave me. I'm not like them although I've been where some of them have been, done what some of them have done. A lot of that, for me, is probably a little (ok a lotta) bit of ego, wanting to know where I fit in or even IF I fit in. I submit to you that a poor artist that is a seeker of truth that is being himself is just as important if not more so. Artists communicate through the expression of their soul and those who see their works are affected by it. They in turn affect others and the chain reaction continues, the perceived chaos of these fractalized patterns continues to diffuse through the population and our "doing" becomes more than an individual thing, it becomes a collective endeavor that cannot but produce profound shifts in the vein of a 100th monkey manner of perceiving reality.


The first paradigm that you spoke about, yeah could be true it certainly appears to be possible. Ok but i've heard stuff like that from childhood, mutual nuclear destruction, the end of the world and so far it hasn't come to pass. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I live in a rural area I have good neighbours, I learnt to grow vegetables, I don't have a gun and I don't want one, thanxs; not much more I can do apart from spread info and show by example another way of living.

You are lucky/blessed to be where you are at. In case that catastrophic timeline does occur, you are well-placed to survive it, at least, moreso than a lot of people who are stuck in cities or suburbs. Your skills are practical and who knows, someday you may be standing with your neighbors and looking at a large group of refugees from the cities walking toward you, hungry and desperate. Not having a gun or having one can make a lot of difference in that situation and depending upon your relationship with fear and the vagaries of the moment and group interaction. The point is that we don't know what will happen and if it does happen, how much of what then occurs is our responsibility. Are the bunkers necessary, are the guns necessary, is the fear necessary? Is there another path, even within the constrictions of a desperate and remnant humanity, seeking a way through what will be terrible, survivalist conditions? Mad Max and other movies always serve up these innocent farming communities of good people who are then ransacked and raped by marauders. Are we certain that is how it will be? Even within the clutches of catastrophe? What if, heaven forbid, people actually start helping each other? Emphasizing spirituality and a return to a natural way of relating with each other and the earth?


The second paradigm, yeah could be true, sounds a bit spacey, but mankind certainly has to evolve quickly if the Earth is going to survive, that's something I have always believed. Will it happen over night, I don't think so. Would I have an interest in visiting PA if it became a obsessed with a survivalist mentality? I doubt it.
Are the two paradigm's interweavable? Of course. But keep grounded

Spacey indeed. As with the first scenario, the second is also conjecture. I wanted to highlight this dichotomy not to confront but to make conscious the unconscious, speak the unspoken. As a member of a historically repressed group in the outer world I am used to being ignored. Used to speaking the unspoken, used to people talking to me for a while and then stopping when they see that I do not really care what they think of me. The truth is what is paramount. Grounding is important and in all ways I recommend and attempt to practice discernment first through research, correlation and synthesis, corroboration with other sources and applicability across different disciplines. After that type of ground work has been done, the inner knowing must agree and then, tentatively, a truth that is personal can be spoken and shared with the guarantee that it will be excoriated by others. Beyond that necessary trial by fire lies true consideration and a contemplation of potentiality as people attempt to reconcile information with their knowledge bases. Acceptance or not is the result, either of which is fine and everyone's right. It is in the grounding, as you say, that the balance lies.

Allowing that grounding to happen for each of us as individuals but also as a group occurs through the interchange of ideas, the debates, the arguments, the discussions. Perhaps highlighting one potential outcome over another when each may hold equal validity (in the belief systems of the overall membership and those visitors who come seeking answers) among a greater community of seekers is choosing a side in a lesser dichotomy when that choice of overall direction may not be necessary or even desired by many.

[geoff]

Well said! Don't you think that quite often those who are awakened to PTW consider themselves to be more grounded than those more airy fairy spiritually minded seekers of truth; which is kind of ironic as both sets of people are considered to be fantasists by the sleeping masses. Of course people can be aware in both senses, but I think that being PTW aware does not necessarily lead to spiritual awareness, whereas
being spiritually aware inevitably leads to some kind of PTW awareness. Maybe i'm wrong. What you said about art was right on. Years ago I had a girlfriend who wanted to be a nurse, she considered my choice of career as a very selfish one. To be honest I didn't really care what anyone thought, but i did think about it quite deeply and came to the same kind of conclusions as you did. Much more, art taught me about psychology, it also led to me being able to see energy, and ultimately to higher states of conciousness. I would never turn away anyone, and certainly not meet them with a gun. I am lucly to own a far bit of farm land, I am sure working together we could create something worthwhile.

[Jeffrey]

Question: What exactly falls in the category of speculative, esoteric metaphysics?

Also, I now read all of your posts (Rahkyt) in a "Samuel Jackson" voice.

[hectorlca]

Hi Rahkyt!

Wow you really nailed a lot of ideas in your OP and in the response to Geoff.

Thanks for bringing this subject up. I especially resonate with this part in your response:


There are those who are both, awakened to the PTW and awakened to the importance of spirit

I think this is true for everyone...everyone's journey is unique and we are all trying to transcend...whatever it is that we need to transcend. Some dive passionately into the expression of their independence and make plans to be self sufficient, to start over etc. Some continue to be hungry for transcendence and don't dwell too much in specifics.

The rabbit hole goes deep, but not everybody feels the need to continue going down it, nor does everyone go down at the same speed.

I feel you are bringing up an extremely important topic Rhakyt, and a lot of the things you wrote down in your OP and your response to Geoff should be things that everyone, no matter at what stage in their journey they are, should be aware of, and mindful of. If more of us did this, we could perhaps stop the categorizing and the judging, and the drawing of lines etc etc.

Each of us awoke to something, and that gives us all an equaliser; we are awake.

What awoke you is very personal, and how you feel about it should also be very personal. It's beautiful when we see how many journeys intersect, but the lack of intersection or overlap does not put us into different camps.

Cheers and thanks for your thoughts!

Hector

[Mark]

Don't you think that quite often those who are awakened to PTW consider themselves to be more grounded than those more airy fairy spiritually minded seekers of truth; which is kind of ironic as both sets of people are considered to be fantasists by the sleeping masses. Of course people can be aware in both senses, but I think that being PTW aware does not necessarily lead to spiritual awareness, whereas being spiritually aware inevitably leads to some kind of PTW awareness. Maybe i'm wrong.

Yes, Geoff, I do think that that perception exists. It's a dangerous one because it is a judgment and it is an ossification of education, imho. By considering someone else's position to be lesser you place yourself above them, which is never a good thing. There is a thing called the "Crabs in a Barrel" Syndrome, ever heard of it? I'm not a fisherman or anything, but the saying goes, that when you put a bunch of crabs in a barrel, they'll try to climb all over each other in order to get out of the barrel. As one crab gets higher than the others, they all act together to pull that crab back down among them and the process repeats itself over and over again. I used to catch Crawdads (Crayfish) when I was a kid, and if you put them in a bucket together and come back the next morning, only the big ones were left. Oh, the littles ones claws were still there. The rest? Consumed. Energy games, even amongst the dispossessed.

I'm not sure you are wrong. It is possible to come to certain conclusions about the conspiratorial aspect of our world, to believe that there is an Elite that is consuming the world and not have any spiritual awareness, to be an Atheist or Agnostic or a Scientist or some other ideological formulation where belief in higher spiritual principles is not present. Coming from a spiritual direction, it is also possible to not really be too concerned about the PTW and all that worldly stuff, since your attention is within and further without. I asked my Shaman once if there could be people who lived perfect lives of beauty and wonder, since there were so many living lives of agony and waste. He laughed and said of course, and gave me an example in his own life. Everything seems to be possible, which is difficult for many to really allow themselves to believe.


What you said about art was right on. Years ago I had a girlfriend who wanted to be a nurse, she considered my choice of career as a very selfish one. To be honest I didn't really care what anyone thought, but i did think about it quite deeply and came to the same kind of conclusions as you did. Much more, art taught me about psychology, it also led to me being able to see energy, and ultimately to higher states of conciousness. I would never turn away anyone, and certainly not meet them with a gun. I am lucly to own a far bit of farm land, I am sure working together we could create something worthwhile.

Gotta do you, eh? Gotta be true to you. I feel you on that one, the connection of the soul and the resonance of hearts is compassion, empathy. For some, to be considered that is offensive. I know that in these circles that we are currently traveling, there are many who believe that to feel for others is not a virtue. That to be called an Empath is to be called weak. They consider strength to be the battle, which is a valid path as all paths are valid. I'm sure that your efforts will meet with the kind of reciprocal faith in time and as circumstances require. Whatever you put your life, your energy, your love into will return to you equally.


Question: What exactly falls in the category of speculative, esoteric metaphysics?

Good question. We were given a couple examples in Bill's original post. A couple of names, and channeling. To be fair, he is reluctant to censor or deny us the ability to access such information here. Being able to formulate your own opinions by gaining access to information that is difficult to find and discuss in a safe place such as PA is a boon. Being a haven for all who choose to interact in a civilized manner and who earnestly seek Truth should be a worthy goal and all information that people deem important to their own growth, for whatever reason, can become a little "t" truth until they find the big "T" Truth beyond. A process that we are all in, some further along, some just finding the path leading from the main road that most people follow.


Also, I now read all of your posts (Rahkyt) in a "Samuel Jackson" voice.

LOL Why, so you can have a good laugh? ;) Just kidding. I'm happy to interact, thank you for the connection.


I think this is true for everyone...everyone's journey is unique and we are all trying to transcend...whatever it is that we need to transcend. Some dive passionately into the expression of their independence and make plans to be self sufficient, to start over etc. Some continue to be hungry for transcendence and don't dwell too much in specifics.

The rabbit hole goes deep, but not everybody feels the need to continue going down it, nor does everyone go down at the same speed.

Hi Hector, thank you for coming through and interacting.

Rabbit hole, eh? We're a bunch of Alices? LOL We do indeed share a journey, falling down a rabbit hole where we are traveling at alternating rates, passing each other at times, speeding and slowing down, entering and exiting at various entrances and egresses. That seems to be the impetus for growth, methinks, for many. The interaction, the need to pay attention to the others also falling, to watch the strange walls of the rabbit hole and see all of the fantastical and phantasmagoric realities plastered against the cave wall, perhaps slowing, or stopping for a while to consider a reality of interest. Some are falling while conscious, some while unconscious, some don't look at the cave walls, only down into the blackness, searching for the End, while for others, the journey and the cave walls are where all of the important things are to be found.


I feel you are bringing up an extremely important topic Rhakyt, and a lot of the things you wrote down in your OP and your response to Geoff should be things that everyone, no matter at what stage in their journey they are, should be aware of, and mindful of. If more of us did this, we could perhaps stop the categorizing and the judging, and the drawing of lines etc etc.

Each of us awoke to something, and that gives us all an equaliser; we are awake.

And that is the common denominator. The fact that we've all 'graduated' to a certain level where we have attained at least the ability to be open to other perspectives, other points of view, other versions of reality and information beyond our current ability to understand or even be interested in.


What awoke you is very personal, and how you feel about it should also be very personal. It's beautiful when we see how many journeys intersect, but the lack of intersection or overlap does not put us into different camps.

It's good to share the personal. To find resonance or even dissonance as we awaken to others experience. Realizing through that interaction that we do actually understand each other and in this understanding come to recognize its importance. I have a Libra moon, I'm all about the balance, understanding, can't we all just get along. But I have a Scorpio sun and ascendant, so Libra modifies my abrasiveness just enough to keep me sociable. LOL

My personal interest is in unity consciousness. In overcoming separation and division. Living life from the perspective of the Other allows one a certain distance to observe the behaviors of the collective, which is a perspective that I'm sure many here can approximate to a greater or lesser degree, depending upon the extent of their own life experiences. All are valid, all are indications that we share more than we don't that we have in common more than we don't. Camps coalesce when a greater threat arises. But denigrating the importance of difference is a mistake, as through conflict, often, a greater unity is found. The understanding that change is the only constant and that those who cement their positions and fail to adapt don't evolve is an important one in the context of continuous movement.

Thank you Hector, Vivek, Geoff.

[Hughe]

Thoughtful. You nails on the problems.



There is too much that Western society likes to leave unspoken. Individuals, families, friends. We don't talk of certain things. Its built-in alienation of the individual from Self and Society is something that afflicts us all at an almost subliminal level and we hardly realize that we express it through the sub-text of our spoken and written words, our body language, our silences.

Eastern society is a lot worse than western. Japan had been #1 suicidal country, nowadays South Korea takes the top. Both nations are dancing each other. I predict, China will join too. The built-in hierarchical structure in language is so sickening. What I like English everybody is equal when speak or write.

The world that surrounds Earth so deep and vast. The two factions you categorize will both right or wrong. It might be turn out one faction is complete wrong. I can't tell nor any individual on this planet. People who have a faith and do what they are doing. How can we even separate spirituality, esoteric metaphysics, and religions? They all share the same root. The rabbit hole is bottomless abyss. One has to make decision at some point during the free fall. Take a stand what one want to hold on or just keep falling down.

I want to see the unity in factions who actually know the problems and have solutions by themselves. Make simple two or solutions and work together that will generate huge momentum, which might do unexpected effect on human collective.

[Strat]

But are both sides mutually exclusive? Can these two attempted understandings of the world as experience exist side by side in the same space? Or is the impetus to eject a dissenting viewpoint so strong and so much a part of human nature that those who do not toe some invisible but formidable between the two viewpoints must go elsewhere in order to find and share information or seek out a community of like-minds? Or, are the too-far-out-there-weirdos to weird for the just-a-bit-out-there weirdos?

This is the core issue facing spaces of this nature, where communication is primary and direct action only possible after such interaction has taken place. At this level, all else is distraction from the potentiality of clear and elevating conversation and, hopefully, the discovery of relevant and realistic solutions.

(deja vu right before typing this... anyway,)

Some kind of streamlined communication would be fantastic. I think when talking about complex esoteric subjects, the process of posting should be different. I'm not too sure how to go about this, but here's an idea:

One common problem is that people are often attached to their ideals. When hitting a debate thread, there is often no real debating, more of a 'waiting for their turn to speak' kind of thing. It can also get chaotic: multiple people quoting different sources that require over an hour of time to research. That's actually OK, we are human and that's what humans do. The problem with this is that it takes longer to get to what is true.

If threads could grow like houses that would be great. For instance you'd start with the foundation; this would be the original post. It would contain the common ground - information quickly absorbed, and that X% of Avalon agrees to be credible. So if it was a 9/11 pentagon thread, common ground would be things like: virtually zero credible footage of the 'plane,' the flight path was impossible, donald rumsfeld is full of ****, etc.

From there, the 'walls' of this house go up. That would be posters offering their thoughts. What would be great is if this could almost work like the 'passing of the feather' kind of thing. You know, only speak when you're holding the feather. Now that analogy is too extreme, but I do think one problem is 'information overload.'

In my first example everyone is almost 100% in agreement. Once the thread continues on is when that percentage drops. What contributes to this is that 'information overload;' anyone can post anything that takes hours to research. It would be better if only a few people posted at a time, and a consensus was constantly at like 75% or something. Once issues were resolved, then links can be made and new discussions brought up.

Like my pops said, one idea leads to another. These are just my ideas, what do yall think?

[Mark]

Thoughtful. You nails on the problems.

I'm honored you think so.


Eastern society is a lot worse than western. Japan had been #1 suicidal country, nowadays South Korea takes the top. Both nations are dancing each other. I predict, China will join too. The built-in hierarchical structure in language is so sickening. What I like English everybody is equal when speak or write.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. Ever since the Meiji Restoration in the late 1800s Japan in particular has taken on European and American mores and values to a larger degree than other Eastern countries so the alienation malaise that plagues the West must have its echo in that country and, by extension, S. Korea as a long partner of the US. But their roots are of course of a different sort and I am sure there are aspects of the hierarchy that possess their own, evolved form of domination and control. You mention the language and how English is not as formal. As a Germanic language, English isn' t so bad in that we don't use the formal terms for different statuses but they are there. A language like German, for instance, where they do exist and you speak to people formally depending upon their age or gender, there may be a bit of a resonance there. Perhaps that is another reason why Germany and Japan have been allies in world domination up until the present day.


The world that surrounds Earth so deep and vast. The two factions you categorize will both right or wrong. It might be turn out one faction is complete wrong. I can't tell nor any individual on this planet. People who have a faith and do what they are doing. How can we even separate spirituality, esoteric metaphysics, and religions? They all share the same root. The rabbit hole is bottomless abyss. One has to make decision at some point during the free fall. Take a stand what one want to hold on or just keep falling down.

I see, and agree totally ... I'm happy to say that I'm ignorant of many things, it excites me because that means I have so much more to learn and I love learning. But, if we look at the root of all of those things you mention, learning, light, is at the core of them, it is the promise that we seek to keep with our higher selves as we travel through the grey areas of life seeking that which we, really, already know at some greater level. I appreciate PA because of the fact that people have chosen to make their stand here and share their truths regardless of the consequences. Taking what they resonate to within that abyss and checking it against the void accessed through interaction with other people, in effect sending a query out to Creation, 'how am I doing? how far do I have left to go?'

Falling isn't so bad. Especially if you are not alone while doing it. :)


I want to see the unity in factions who actually know the problems and have solutions by themselves. Make simple two or solutions and work together that will generate huge momentum, which might do unexpected effect on human collective.

I want to see that too. Do you think that we might see such things occurring hhere in this type of forum? That it is possible at least to see the seeds of it, or the growth of new shoots as people take what they learn and agree to do here, out, into their own versions of the world and reality?


(deja vu right before typing this... anyway,)

Deja vu's are important. What was yours?


Like my pops said, one idea leads to another. These are just my ideas, what do yall think?

I find that your idea makes a lot of sense and your Pops was a wise man. It would be difficult of course to apply such strictures to conversation in general, but for very specific topics, perhaps people could be coaxed into following the protocol. I think it would have to proceed from the start of the thread, with instructions. And for those things at the base of the thread that everyone agrees on, how do we know everybody agrees on it if there is not discussion to find that out? LOL That's where the issue comes in, doesn't it. And then there are those people who come into a thread not having read any of the previous entries and repeat what has already been said and then asking someone to break the entire thread down for them because they don't have time to read it. How do you deal with them?! LOLOL

Information overload is indeed a gigantic problem. People have different capacities. Another thing that some people tell me is that when you haven't really been into this kind of stuff long it is hard to understand a lot of it just because you haven't created the neuronal connections in your brain, you haven't wired together the appropriate ideas yet, to really and truly understand a topic holistically. That takes time, repeated information input, study, yadayada so, to a large extent, this is just something that has to be and people 'get in where they fit in' and build their base of knowledge as they go along, basically playing catch up, but progressing all the same.

I think it's a great idea. If you'd like to go through the exercise of creating a formal version of it here let's knock that out. Peace.

[Strat]

(deja vu right before typing this... anyway,)

Deja vu's are important. What was yours?

Just a 1/4 second flash or vision.

People often describe deja vu as "a sense of being in a place at a certain time prior to actually being there." For me, it's more like a part of my mind/brain perceived these events happening before they happened.

[Mark]

Ah, sounds like a precognitive thing. I hardly have deja vu's these days, I have often wondered why not.

This schism between the two sides makes it unnecessary for the PTW to do much but tweak differences in opinion between individuals who fall upon either side of the so-called "Conscious" or "New Age" ideology, the material or the spiritual. Admittedly those two sides are the extremes and many people fall somewhere in-between the two.

The fact that both extremes are still on the same side is generally lost during the disagreements and battles that occur over, often, the most emotionally-based and petty excuses for argumentation. Picking small things to disagree with, like someone's emotional makeup or their job, ignoring the larger message being sent, causes unnecessary tension that seems to awaken some of the basest aspects of human behavior. The only way to get past this is for people on each side to make the decision to find the common denominator, keeping in mind always that they are on the same side and agree in many large things in general while disagree about some small things in particular.

There is always the question of agent provocateurs but when people are just behaving like egotistical bores APs don't need to do much other than stoke the flames and allow otherwise well-meaning people to descend into petty argumentation amongst themselves. If an AP is forced to create drama and maintain it themselves, they can generally be weeded out based upon the nature by which they operate. Those who are paying attention are generally quick to discern these methods.

Truth always leads to discernment. The more we make the choice, individually, to follow truth, rather than ego, the easier it gets for us to discern truth for ourselves. In all actuality, OUR BODIES TO BEGIN TO RESONATE ON A TRUTH VIBRATION and every time that we are in the presence of Truth, we can feel it as a vibratory rush through one's body. This is the goal of those who seek to represent Truth in their very essence and, often, a person who possess the ability of Discernment is able to think back to the exact moment when they made the choice to Become Truth. Until such realities are understood generally we will remain subject to the lesser evils occassioned by differing opinions, ego and free speech, which is all well and good. But seeking the higher path should be the goal of all of good intention who are, honestly, Truth Seekers and not Attention Seekers.

[alienHunter]

Hi Rahkyt,

I'm with Geoff, you are most assuredly highly intelligent, very articulate, and very commanding in your presence.

"Great point. I've had thoughts like this before. Kind of like, well, these people are "important" because they have these experiences, I don't have these experiences, where does this leave me."

Did you mean this literally, 'I don't have these experiences'. The reason I ask you is because if that was meant literally, you are a very rare bird indeed, in fact, I might suggest that the 'unusual' in your existence might be such an integral part of who you are that you underestimate it. I have never encountered a person that can even have a willing conversation about these sorts of topics without having had some 'questionable experiences' that propelled them to pursue the esoteric and unacceptable. In other words, that which is beyond consensus reality.

[alienHunter]

not to be a downer but some have suggested that Deja Vu is caused by temporal lobe epilepsy...so Rahkyt, be thankful. Not that I'm a savant level psychic by any means but I do have many periods when 'nothing' is going on...in fact, nothing may EVER be going on, I might have just imagined it all.

[DeDukshyn]

When you can only perceive your part of the overall system / plan, the parts one cannot see get automatically labeled as "innacurate". Everyone just needs a larger perspective. ;)

[DeDukshyn]

not to be a downer but some have suggested that Deja Vu is caused by temporal lobe epilepsy...so Rahkyt, be thankful. Not that I'm a savant level psychic by any means but I do have many periods when 'nothing' is going on...in fact, nothing may EVER be going on, I might have just imagined it all.

You say that Rahkyt is a "rare bird" for not having deja vu experiences, therefore, most people must get deja vu. Then you cite that deja vu is likely a form of epilepsy -- let's look at this closely. Deja vu has been around as long as humans - almost everyone gets it -- now, think how much money you can make selling drugs by prescription to people who get deja vu. At the same time you can convince the masses that what may well be a psychic phenomenon is actually a disease (thereby demonizing psychic activity) that needs to be treated with drugs. Cha-Ching!!!

If I was a part of corporate elite, I could really wreak some havoc on the sleeping masses, cuz I think about all this stuff ;)

[alienHunter]

actually Rahkyt did say, "He hardly even has deja vu". He also made an earlier statement about 'not having these experiences' and that was the one I was referring to. So the correlation I was making related to his interest in the spiritual and his lack of experiences, if in fact, he didn't have such experiences. In my feeling that would make him a 'rare' bird. But, I'm with you...it's something to think about...

[Mark]

Hey there folks, thanks for your responses, hope you're having a good evening:


Did you mean this literally, 'I don't have these experiences'. The reason I ask you is because if that was meant literally, you are a very rare bird indeed, in fact, I might suggest that the 'unusual' in your existence might be such an integral part of who you are that you underestimate it. I have never encountered a person that can even have a willing conversation about these sorts of topics without having had some 'questionable experiences' that propelled them to pursue the esoteric and unacceptable. In other words, that which is beyond consensus reality.

Hi there, AH. When I wrote that I didn't have those experiences, I was speaking very particularly of the Whistleblower experiences that we hear about in most interviews. I have not been to Mars as far as I know, nor have I been in a DUMB. I've not had dinner with Reptilians or Greys, as far as I know, nor have I been approached by ultra-density entities to preach their channeled message, as far as I know. Personally, I've had many strange experiences that I've spoken about in many threads thus far at PA. You can check my profile for started threads as well as my posts if you are curious about such things. Or ask, if you have any particular questions. My own personal experience ranges from bi-location to telepathy, from sleep paralysis to OOBEs. I've studied the world in all of its aspects for a couple of decades now pretty intensely as well.


When you can only perceive your part of the overall system / plan, the parts one cannot see get automatically labeled as "innacurate". Everyone just needs a larger perspective. ;)

Speak that truth, DeDukshyn. A larger perspective sounds so easy but seems so hard, especially when the world you have created around yourself conspires to keep your perspective as limited as possible. In fact, that is in large part a problem in the "conscious" and "new-age" community as well. People find their comfort zones and stick to them. Or, as I stated earlier, they become "awakened" to an extent, but they move into this new awareness still retaining connections to their old mental habits and comfort zones.

Interacting at that point with those who've loosened these bonds to the point where they may almost seem insane can result in severe rejection of whatever message they might be receiving at that particular time which of course will result in more rejection, fear leading to anger, debate and contention. A process of growth, as new neural networks are solidified through repetitive action. Kind of like the more you see certain information, the stronger that particular pathway gets in your brain network, creating connections between related material.

This is the natural way that people learn, generally. There is the possibility that, at a certain point, people's neural networks become so engrained that it is very difficult to change them. But, I'm not one who disbelieves in the utter capacity of any human to change.