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mountain_jim
14th December 2011, 21:13
I have not frequented this forum much but saw this article and thought it might be useful here

http://www.naturalnews.com/034404_preppers_collapse_bugging_out.html





Wednesday, December 14, 2011Should you leave the USA before the collapse? Words of wisdom from someone who tried
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger
Editor of NaturalNews.com

(NaturalNews) One of the most common questions I'm asked today from people who are aware of what's really going on is, "Should I leave the USA to get away from the coming police state?" Three years ago, I would have said YES, but today, after having experienced such an effort myself and now having a clear understanding of the ramifications of such an effort, I must urge people to reconsider. As you'll read here, you may ultimately be far safer and more successful living right where you are, in your "home country," even if that home country becomes a police state.

I've lived in many countries, by the way: Taiwan, Australia and Ecuador. I've traveled extensively throughout Asia, giving seminars in Singapore, Hong Kong and Malaysia. I've traveled across England, France, Spain and even Portugal. Spent quite a bit of time in Central America and South America. I speak decent Spanish and decent Chinese, so there's almost nowhere I go in the world that I can't speak to the local people in either English, Spanish or Mandarin Chinese. I've seen extreme wealth, extreme poverty and extreme corruption in all its world flavors, and I've seen what corruption does to nations and its populations, first hand.

I don't claim to be a prophet of any kind, but today I'm a bit wiser, a bit more experienced and a bit less foolish than I was a few years ago, and I'd like to pass on whatever nuggets of wisdom might help you and your family prepare for the powerful global changes which have already begun to unfold.

Here, I share with you five powerful realizations you need to keep in mind when considering where to locate (or relocate) before the collapse becomes a reality. (Time is growing short, so read up...)

For starters, there is a universal truth you must accept if you hope to make a truly wise decision about where to locate: Corruption is everywhere.

Realization #1 - Corruption is far worse outside the USA
If you think the USA is corrupt, you should try living in Peru, or Bolivia, or Panama. And if you think that's corrupt, head over to Haiti for a double heaping serving of corruption.

Yes, we may all legitimately complain about the USA, but from what I've seen everywhere around the world, the United States is still less corrupt than most places in the world. Yes, there are bad apples everywhere throughout local police, federal FBI agents and even the court system, but for every bad apple there are probably three times as many honorable people who are truly just trying to do their jobs.

In years past, I served in a non-profit support role, the local police in Tucson, Arizona, and I came to know them as some of the most upstanding, honorable peace officers I've ever met. Yes, they had a history of outrageous corruption (which you'll find in every police force from time to time), but they rooted out that corruption and restored integrity to their operation. You'll find the same dedication to honest public service all across the nation, even if there is a little corruption that normally goes along with it.

So don't make the mistake of thinking you can escape corruption by leaving the USA. You are actually likely to discover MORE corruption elsewhere. For example, in Ecuador, where I lived for two years and held a local driver's license, it wasn't unusual for me to be stopped at an armed military roadblock and asked questions. These were staffed with soldiers carrying what appeared to be variants of the standard U.S. issue M4 rifles (AR-15 in the civilian editions). They never gave me any trouble, it turns out. They asked a couple of questions and looked at my documentation, then waved me through.

In fact, I had many friends in law enforcement in Ecuador, and I spoke with them regularly. Sure, they were a little corrupt, but not in an over-the-top criminal way like we see with the FBI in the United States actually masterminding terrorist plots and then magically "discovering" those plots just in time to halt them (http://www.naturalnews.com/034325_F...).

Costa Rica has been described as a "police state" by numerous people who have visited or even lived there. Yes, the country if a beautiful paradise in terms of climate, and it is perhaps the most socially advanced nation in Central and South America, but like all such nations, it has a socialist police state mentality.

South Americans love socialism, it turns out. And this has everything to do with preparedness...

Realization #2 - Many cultures do not practice long-term preparedness thinking
In observing all this first hand, I've come to the conclusion that the embracing of socialism throughout South America is the result of cultural short-term thinking.

For example, throughout South America, people often buy prescription medicines one pill at a time. They buy a bag of twenty screws from the hardware store, then return to the store after they run out to buy another twenty. This is often infuriating to the "gringos" who are trying to build a house, for example, because they operate with the idea that you should just buy 5,000 screws all at once and have plenty to get the job done. I can assure you from first-hand experience that such a concept is completely alien to a great many South Americans (most notably in rural areas).

I make no judgments about this, by the way. There are pros and cons on both sides of this equation. But in my experience living in Ecuador, finding people engaged in preparedness planning was virtually impossible unless they were of European descent. For example, rural Ecuadorians often buy a small baggy of spices in a quantity for cooking one meal. And in doing this kind of thing, they nickel-and-dime themselves into actually losing money because they don't take advantage of the purchasing efficiencies realized through long-term planning. The idea, for example, of buying large quantities of facial tissue at a Costco or Sam's Club is completely foreign to most South American cultures (more so in rural areas than urban). Even if they might save 40% from buying in bulk, their cultural tendency is to buy one tissue box at a time, paying a much higher overall price over time.

This concept is also reinforced by the very heavy reliance on state-run lotteries throughout South America. In any nation, high participation in lotteries is a powerful demonstration that a culture lacks the cognitive coherence necessary for intelligent financial planning. You see this heavily reflected throughout Peru and Brazil, by the way. You'll even find this in many poorer areas of rural USA where the lack of mathematics education (and, perhaps, an irrational belief in luck) motivates many people to hand over their money to the state. That's why the mathematically inclined call the lottery "a tax on people who can't do math."

There is, of course, an interesting up-side to short-term thinking, because the very same phenomenon might also be called "living in the moment." Some in the new age movement call it "the power of NOW." South Americans know all about the power of NOW, as you'll clearly see on a Sunday morning when driving your car down the road, weaving around drunken citizens sleeping in the ditches, sometimes still clutching an empty bottle of sugar cane alcohol. The night before, they all lived in "the now," you see, and they weren't necessarily thinking about the hangover implications that would inevitably arrive the next morning.

You see, to actually get anything done in society, you have to live at least a little bit in the future.

On the food production front, by the way, it is extremely difficult to buy a John Deere tractor in many Central and South American nations. Much of the food production there is still done by hand (not as much in Brazil, of course, where agricultural mechanization is in full swing...).

In Texas, by comparison, John Deere tractors are available everywhere. More importantly, there are lots of people who know how to fix 'em. Given that a tractor is one of the most fundamental work multipliers in agriculture, if you hope to survive the coming collapse, you need a reliable tractor on your land in a community that's familiar with tractors, and you need a few hundred gallons of stored diesel fuel to power it through the disruptions. It's no exaggeration to say that one gallon of diesel fuel can replace the labor of twelve men working twelve hours. It's a powerful force multiplier if you own the right hardware.

If you get a tractor, by the way, avoid all those more recent John Deere tractors which are fifty percent electronics and plastic. Buy the old ones, made out of iron and grit, because they're the only ones that will still operate after an electromagnetic pulse attack, in case you were wondering.

Climate reveals a lot about the planning tendencies of any culture
Getting back to the preparedness mentality of different cultures, climate shapes cultural tendencies, too. The climate in Central and South America is so much more amenable to easy food production (except at very high altitudes) that there really isn't a cultural impulse to engage in behaviors such as "storing food to survive the winter." With food literally falling off the trees year-round in places like Ecuador, Peru, Bolivia and Brazil, generations after generations of people there have settled into a rhythm of day-to-day living with relatively little planning. The very best preparedness planners, not surprisingly, are people whose ancestors survived harsh climates and brutal winters.

A lack of planning in South American culture is also evident in the surprising lack of family planning you'll find there, where it's not unusual to find women with four, six or even ten children, none of which seems to own a decent pair of shoes. It makes you seriously wonder about the "thinking ahead" portions of the brain and why they have not been activated in some people. There is a part of the brain -- the future planning part -- that can imagine a particular future emerging as a result of today's actions and then use that imagined future to reshape today's actions in order to improve the future (which eventually becomes the NOW, of course, as you've no doubt noticed). People who are cognitively skilled at this process are, by definition, good planners. They tend to have better outcomes in life. Those who are poor at this skill, for whatever reason, tend to have poorer outcomes in life.

Women's rights advocacy groups correctly point out that a lack of family planning among women usually stems from a cultural devaluing of the female, which then leads to a chronic lack of women's education, subsequently correlated to startlingly high birth rates. The best way to reduce birth rates in developing nations, it turns out, is to either build more schools or just go the Bill Gates route and vaccinate everyone into a state of total infertility. (If you're an evil globalist, it's so much easier to just inject women than educate them...)

Why does all this matter? I've learned over the last few years that the best place to be in a collapse scenario is living around a bunch of other people who are also prepared because they are long-term thinkers and planners. You might want to live in a Mormon community, in other words, as they are typically the best prepared.

You might also find some preparedness communities in places like Ecuador, Uruguay, Panama or Costa Rica where there exists a critical mass of preparedness-minded people who tip the scales in your favor. So that's definitely a solid option for those who are still intent on leaving the USA or Canada and looking for preparedness options elsewhere. I do know first-hand that there are some very viable ex-pat communities in both Panama and Costa Rica where a critical mass of aware citizens already exists. Lots of libertarians down there... but watch out for "retirement communities" in these countries, which are populated by people who have no interest in actively surviving anything because they figure they're close to dying anyway.

You do NOT want to live around a whole city of people who culturally and habitually lean toward short-term thinking rather than long-term planning. A city full of starving children with mothers living in total poverty who can barely afford their next meal is not a good backdrop against which you want to build a survival retreat, especially if you're living out in the country by yourself.

Read books by Jared Diamond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jared_...) if you really want to understand the long-term implications of geography and climate on the development of human culture. You will come to understand that in cultures where food comes too easily, over time there comes to exist a systemic lack of long-term planning in the minds of the citizens. This is a red flag for anyone seeking a preparedness destination.

Realization #3 - Don't be the foreigner
Another important point to remember in all this is that if you're, let's say, a white person living in a white town in America, you blend in. You can walk around anonymously -- at the grocery store, the shopping mall, the gas station, whatever. But the minute you move to some country town in South America (or Thailand, or whatever), then you suddenly stick out like a sore thumb.

In other words, if you're a 6' 1" white guy walking around a town of 5' 8" brown-skinned people, do ya think anyone will notice?

You bet they will, and when they see a 6' 1" white guy walking around, what they really see is a walking ATM.

You're a symbol of wealth, and the poorer the country you go to, the more wealth disparity you'll find, of course. And what you need to understand is that wealth disparity breeds contempt. So while you're driving around in a brand-new Toyota 4x4 (which I never did, by the way), the locals are looking at you and thinking to themselves that they could never afford that vehicle in their LIFETIME.

Why does this matter? From a practical perspective, it means that in a social breakdown scenario, these people have an instant idea of where the goods are. Who has the money? The white people! Who has the nicest houses, cars and electronics? The white people! (Or "the foreigner," even if you're not white.)

What I learned from this is that I'd rather be an "average" white guy living in an average neighborhood, driving an average car than sticking out like some sort of person who appears to be relatively well off. That's why today I still live in a modular trailer unit in Austin, I still drive a Toyota pickup truck, I dress like a rancher in blue jeans and flannel shirt, and nobody gives it a second thought when I'm out in public. I blend in, and that's far wiser than sticking out.

Some people want to look rich and popular, so they wear a lot of bling, and they drive a high-end car they can't afford, and they live in a house they can't pay off, and they try to fool everybody into thinking they're rich and powerful. I'd rather fool people into thinking I'm NOT powerful. Because underneath all that, I actually am quite capable of defending myself, or taking decisive action, or just quietly removing myself from the situation if required.

God help the mugger who tries to mug me on the street someday, because I don't dial 911. Then again, I don't walk around looking wealthy enough to mug in the first place. In fact, half the time when I walk into a hardware store in Austin to buy some equipment, I still have dirt and grime on my face from working on the farm that morning, and I've got mud on my jeans and grease on my shirt from greasing the hydraulics of the tractor loader bucket.

The point is, if you try to stand out in a time of crisis, you're an idiot. Blending in is so much wiser, I've learned. And I learned some of this the hard way, being an idiot myself in years past.

So the bottom line on this point is simple: Live where you fit in. If you speak with a Cajun accent, live around Cajuns. If you're black, don't be the one black guy in a white neighborhood (nor do you want to be the one white guy in a black neighborhood). It's not racial segregation I'm advocating, by the way, it's simply a preparedness attitude of blending in so you don't attract unwarranted attention to yourself and your daily activities.

Don't draw attention to yourself
You're going to have far better success at preparedness, survival and even home defense if you can engage in preparedness activities without drawing attention to yourself. So if you're out at the local Wal-Mart, let's say, buying up a case of rubbing alcohol to add to your first aid kit, you don't want to leave any kind of strong impression a cashier there who, for example, might later tell some FBI agent, "Oh yeah, there was this 6' 2" guy with red hair and an old-style Western mustache, and he bought up a cart full of shotgun ammo, rubbing alcohol and bandages. I thought that was kinda weird..."

So another tip in all this is that if you're buying first aid supplies, or stored food, or anything you need to stay prepared, buy things in small quantities, and better yet use the self checkout lanes at local retailers, so you're not even interacting with a cashier at all. And don't be a moron and buy too many items of anything at once. It's far better to make multiple trips (to different stores, preferably), buying up smaller quantities of things and then combining them at home.

And what kind of things should you have? Well, if you want the full details, get my Be Prepared, Not Scared course that I recorded with Robert Scott Bell, as we go over the entire preparedness list covering food, first aid, emergency communications, lighting, safety and much more:

Food Security:
http://premium.naturalnews.tv/Be_Pr...

Economic Security:
http://premium.naturalnews.tv/Be_Pr...

I've also created what I believe to be a very powerful audio recording called "Five Mental Strategies for Surviving Anytime, Anywhere" which is included as a free bonus to our "Surthrival" course recorded with Daniel Vitalis. Read about it here:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033985_S...

...or download the full course at:
http://premium.naturalnews.tv/Surth...

Realization #4 - You cannot escape the global police state
I learned this with the help of Alex Jones of InfoWars.com. I was talking to him in the studio one day, during a commercial break, and he was asking me about Ecuador. Then he said something profound: "You can't escape the police state, you know. It's global."

And he's right. Think about the controllers and how they operate: It's the global banksters, the global pharmaceutical giants, Monsanto, Coca-Cola, Exxon and all the other evil corporations that infect our world with disease and suffering. These corporations run the global governments, and if you don't believe me, just ask John Perkins, the former "Economic Hit Man."

Listen to my interview with Perkins here:
http://www.naturalnews.tv/v.asp?v=8...

You will be astounded by what you'll learn there, probably. But the upshot of it is that tyranny is a global phenomenon, and you cannot escape it by simply crossing some national boundary.

The simple truth is that our entire world is under assault by criminals right now, and those criminals are deeply embedded in the financial system of Goldman Sachs crooks and Federal Reserve elitists. They are dominating economies across Europe, North America, Asia and even Central and South America. They are planning an economic implosion so they can steal the world's wealth. All assets backed by paper may become worthless in 2012 in the years soon thereafter. This is all by design, and it's global.

With economic implosion comes social unrest, and with social unrest comes martial law. So you can expect martial law to be declared in many nations around the world, and in my experience, if you're living under martial law, it's preferable to blend in so that you don't attract unnecessary attention to your own activities. (And by this, I don't mean anything unlawful or subversive. I just mean fundamental commonsense things like buying extra food and supplies, for example, to defend your family and your local community. And have yourself a reliable mechanical lead-slinger as well.)

Realization #5 - You are far safer to hunker down than try to go mobile
A lot of people talk about having a backup retreat somewhere that they will "drive to" or "fly to" when the collapse strikes. In my view, this is foolish. Highways will become kill zones targeted by marauders, and using vehicles on roads will only get you either robbed or dead (or maybe both).

To a gang of armed looters who forgot to plan ahead before the collapse, there's no more juicy target than an RV loaded down with stored food, ammo and gold, and if you're stupid enough to drive one of those as you're trying to get to your destination, you'd better have your own cavalry along for the ride, or you probably won't get very far.

Anyone who has studied military tactics, gang mentality or historical accounts of what happens when governments fall knows that roads are to be avoided at all costs. The only safe way to go from point A to point B is to hump it on foot, cross-country style, and even then you'd better only walk at night or you risk being shot by someone defending their own land.

Once you start actually thinking about all this, it doesn't take long to realize that the far safer strategy is to live in your castle starting right now. Stay put, stock up, and find a way to defend it.

Want a great book on how to accomplish that? Buy and read "Holding Your Ground: Preparing for Defense if it All Falls Apart" (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/06...)

It's written by "Joe Nobody," which itself is a lesson in laying low. This book isn't about turning your house into a concrete bunker armed to the teeth, because that's just an invitation to be hammered by an armed gang of looters. Rather, it's just as much about using cosmetic deception to fool would-be marauders into thinking your place has already been hit, for example, and is therefore worthless. This informative book is really an example "The Art of War-" style thinking for defending your home and your family, using very clever techniques that go far beyond "shooting back."

Don't expect the book to be well edited, by the way. A lot of the best survival and prepper books have lousy editing because they're written by people who are experts in practical skills but relatively inexperienced writers. But who cares? I'm not looking for Shakespeare here. I'm looking for tactics that really work, and this book delivers. (Wish I could find who really wrote this because I'd like to interview them here on NaturalNews...)

Getting back to the point at hand, even with a vehicle you can't possibly carry everything you need to stay safe and prepared, and on top of that gasoline supplies may be impossible to find for a while, so the very best place to hunker down is the place where you live. That's where you can store your food, emergency first aid supplies, communications equipment (wind-up emergency radios, for example), defensive items such as defensive items, solar battery chargers, cooking gear, instructional books, garden seeds and whatever else you might need to survive an economic collapse.

That's why I've decided to ride out the collapse in Austin, Texas, by the way. Well, not exactly in the inner city itself, but near enough to the city to be considered an Austinite.

Why Texas? It's not perfect, but it's well-armed
Why Austin? Because Texas has its own power grid unlike the rest of the nation. Texas can grow its own food. Texas is the energy capital of the nation and can produce natural gas, diesel, oil and even jet fuel. Texas has masses of armed patriots who own more guns than they do pairs of shoes, and that makes Texas practically impenetrable to any invading force.

For example, suppose North Korea launches an ICBM into the high atmosphere over North America and unleashes an EMP weapon that destroys nearly all electronics (http://www.naturalnews.com/034344_E...)

This could theoretically be followed by a naval invasion of forces from Red China and North Korea, both of which suffer from too many young males that can hardly be fed and might as well be thrown at some enemy nation as cannon fodder. These forces would plow right through Southern California, with all its anti-gun laws and totally unprepared populations. Oregon would fare a lot better, thanks to the country folks who know how to live off the land, and although Seattle would be quickly overrun by enemy forces, the eastern (country) parts of Washington state would put up a fierce resistance. And any enemy forces foolish enough to try to make it into Idaho would, of course, be viciously intercepted by highly capable resistance forces that would snipe, explode and shred the enemy's supply lines, halting any advance no matter how strongly intentioned. (You do not want to mess with American rebels and patriots in Idaho, for the record.)

If some enemy force was foolish enough to try to enter Texas, they would be obliterated by a mass of Texas farmers, ranchers, National Guardsmen, law enforcement officers and ex-military men who are all locked and loaded to the hilt. That's where I feel safest, in the midst of the best-armed and most well-skilled riflemen in the country, most of which are upstanding, community-minded citizens who defend life and liberty. Texas is a fortress of determined men and women who will not, under any circumstances, willfully surrender their freedoms or their Bill of Rights.

Interestingly, Austin is also a progressive town with lots of raw foods, vegans, yoga studios and amazing artists. It's a progressive, almost liberal town, surrounded by conservative country folks who ultimately serve as a safety buffer that protects the city of Austin itself. When SHTF time comes, you can bet all the unarmed Austin residents will be begging the rural cowboys to protect them from looters and armed gangs.

That's why people who don't own guns dial 911 -- because they want men who DO own guns to arrive as quickly as possible and solve their problem.

Are your current skills based in reality? Or fiction...
As you consider where to go in a time of crisis, think about where you are right now. Is your local community able to defend itself? Do you live among people who know how to repair cars, weld equipment, repair a rifle, clean fresh fish, grow vegetables, raise chickens and chop firewood? If not, you might want to think about relocating to a place where you live among some more capable people rather than the city-minded people who -- let's face it -- live in an artificial reality that's extremely fragile and won't last but a few days in a true collapse scenario.

If your top skills today are things like: texting while driving, finding the best sales at Macy's, and beating the level 12 boss on your Xbox video game, then you're not likely to survive very long in a real crisis. Xbox skills, it turns out, do not translate into the real world. All those people who are currently experts at artificial skills need to think long and hard about picking up a few reality skills that might help them in the real world.

You don't know jack, Jack!
Above all, as much as you think you know about preparedness, survival and the like, you probably don't know jack.

And that goes for myself, too, even as I study this subject and work to learn as much as I possibly can in the short time remaining. Do you know how to suture an open wound? I have literally spent an afternoon reading a suture book and practicing stitches on chicken meat bought from the grocery store. Seems silly, right? Who spends their Saturday suturing a chunk of chicken? Then again, if you're cut and bleeding more than a little, I'm the guy who knows how to apply a tourniquet in 60 seconds, sanitize the wound and sew it up. It will be ugly as all hell, as I'm no cosmetic surgeon, but as long as you didn't sever some major artery, you'll probably live.

I've also been known to pack open wounds with freshly-cut aloe vera gel. I just stuff it right into the wound then use a skin stapler to staple the surface shut. Never had an infection problem, as aloe vera gel is a powerful antibacterial substance that also pulls the wound shut as it dries. It's crude, free and highly effective. Just the kind of country remedy I like to have handy in a time of crisis. That's why I always grow aloe vera everywhere I go.

Get some skillz, Jack!
These days, my goal in preparedness is to know as many useful skills as possible, which is why I study emergency first aid and other practical skills. In a crisis, I can prep emergency food for an entire community, sanitize water for a small group, perform basic emergency medical procedures on the wounded or even be part of a rifle fire team that defends a church, for example, against a band of armed looters. I'm not the best at any one of those things, but I'm useful in them all.

I know how to grow medicine, grow food and (somewhat) handle farm animals. I know how to clean a rifle, repair a torn belt on a broken piece of farm equipment, operate a John Deere tractor, start a fire without matches, and stitch back together a torn piece of canvas or clothing.

I still don't know how to field dress a wild pig or deer, but I figure I can always barter with someone who does, as I've got a complement of other useful skills that they probably don't possess. (I'm not into hunting or skinning anything. Can't stand to shoot live animals. That's just not my thing, y'know?)

Most of all, I'm determined to survive, and I'm determined to help as many of my fellow human beings survive with me, to the best of my ability and resources. And that's ultimately what's going to get me through the coming collapse, so help me God.

Wherever you go, assess the basics
The other day I was thinking about Jim Rogers, the wealthy investor who lives in Singapore and often appears on alternative news shows like RT America or InfoWars. As much as I totally agree with Jim's advice on learning Chinese (which is one reason why I speak a fair amount of Mandarin myself), if you know anything about Singapore, you also know it is perhaps the last place in the world you want to live in a collapse scenario.

Singapore is a concrete jungle with virtually no usable space for growing food in proportion to its population. Even worse, Singapore has virtually no water supply and must import a huge portion of its water from Malaysia, a nation with which Singapore has dicey relations.

The food for Singapore must all be imported from surrounding nations (such as Malaysia), and Singapore's claim to fame -- a financial hub of Asia -- is in many ways based on the very false derivatives and fragile debt instruments that are on the verge of total collapse in the years ahead. If Asia suffers much in the way of economic collapse, Singapore may become a desperate place. Certainly, a resourceful guy like Jim Rogers can probably weather the storm and still come out on top (he's got assets in multiple currencies, in many financial institutions around the world), but for your average run-of-the-mill citizens, Singapore could become a very dangerous place to try to survive.

When people look at relocating for preparedness reasons, they often overlook the basics such as water resources. That's why I recommend people buy the book "Strategic Relocation -- North American Guide to Safe Places, 3rd Edition" (http://www.amazon.com/Strategic-Rel...) by Joel Skousen. I've been a fan of Skousen for over a decade, and this book will walk you through the key decision-making process of finding a place that can keep you and your family alive. That place is NOT New York City, nor Los Angeles, obviously. Those are places to go if you want to DIE in a collapse.

But there are many places across North America that are quite suitable for creating your preparedness retreat as a primary residence. Many of these places even have internet bandwidth available, so you can potentially earn a living on the 'net while you prepare your location.

If you read the book, you'll discover that Austin has its own pitfalls, including being relatively close to both nuclear power facilities and the border with Mexico. Both of those are legitimate concerns, of course, and there's no perfect spot that has everything you want. You have to find the best combination of factors that matter to you, then do the best you can with the time, skills and resources available to you.

Timing: Are you prepared yet?
If you're not already well along with your own preparedness plans, you run the risk of missing this train entirely. 2012 is nearly upon us, and while I don't believe all the Mayan calendar nonsense being rumored around the internet, I certainly see a financial collapse headed our way in 2012 or very soon thereafter.

It takes 2-3 years to really get squared away with your retreat if you consider the process of making good quality soil for gardening, planting some fruit trees, squaring away your irrigation system, getting some backyard chickens and so on. You can't just "buy a place" and move in and suddenly expect to be fully covered. Building a retreat requires experience that only time will deliver -- experience dealing with weather, garden pests, wild predators, knowing the lay of the land and so on. Just squaring away your own home water supply can be a daunting task if you don't know where to begin, and even getting a well drilled can be a six-month process in terms of acquiring permits and waiting on drilling companies (which are often backlogged).

Time is running short. If you're not already in the process of storing the supplies you need -- and learning the skills that go with them -- you're late. Get on top of this NOW.

And don't worry if you're not in the "perfect" geographic location or the perfect house or whatever. Work with what you have. A family with skills and just a few basic supplies is far better off than a wealthy family with a house full of gear they don't know how to use. I can't even tell you how many people out there just buy stuff, toss it on a shelf and never learn how to use it. That's about as silly as owning a guitar and thinking you're suddenly a "musician" because you have the gear.

Whatever you buy to be prepared, practice with it and practice with your entire family. Even if you don't own firearms (or don't want to), a family of four armed with a few cans of heavy duty pepper spray can make a small group of attackers think twice. Plan ahead for what's coming, and you won't be left behind

HORIZONS
14th December 2011, 21:32
So the bottom line on this point is simple: Live where you fit in.
Thanks MJ - good article. I think I'll baton down the hatches right where I am - at least I know the locals in this farming-rural area that I live - and we have plenty of open land around us.

The web address' in this article do not seem to work - not for me anyway.

EDIT: I went to the original source and those links work.

Pamela
16th December 2011, 14:23
I think this is a very good article and one that everyone needs to read. I think he makes excellent points about "fitting in". We all need to prepare and that does not mean having to leave the country in order to do so.

RMorgan
16th December 2011, 14:59
Well, I agree with the article.

I understand that corruption is everywhere, however, there are different levels of corruption, and in my opinion, the corruption inside the US system is the worse of all.

Personally, as a American (South-American), I can say that the corruption here is mostly about stealing and diverting public money, to take small contextual advantages. I know, itīs bad when you take the money from generally poor people to selfish purposes, but it can get much worse.

Corruption in the US is not about money anymore, itīs about total control, which involves the destruction of the whole world. In my opinion, this is much worse than some occasional South-American politicians picking the public pockets here and there. The USA is literally destroying the whole world and thereīs no way to deny that.

Also, I donīt agree with the idea that South-American countries tend to be socialistic. You canīt mistake solidarity with socialism. Poor people in poor countries tend to have much more solidarity, sharing things with each other, which is totally different from Socialism, which is a political system. Here in Brazil, there are literally no deaths from starvation, because even in the poorest regions of the country, people stay together and help each other to survive. Thatīs a great thing in my opinion.

Of course, I understand that itīs hard to write such article without being biased towards your own country. Patriotism is one of the strongest kinds of brainwashing. For me, patriotism makes no sense, since the world is only one place, and one countryīs decision affects the whole globe.

If you decide to get out of North-America, you must know that there are good and bad people everywhere. You can be welcomed as brother in some areas, or you can be labeled as the enemy in others.

Here in South-America, a part of the population doesnīt like US citizens, for obvious reasons. The US donīt have good PR department, right? Its hard politics regarding immigration work both ways. Some people donīt think itīs fair to welcome US citizens here as best friends, and receive nothing in return; You know, itīs a pretty hard and bureaucratic process for South-Americans get legally inside the USA, even if its only for tourism or education.

Also, some tourists come here to discover a new culture, which is great. Others, come here to explore child prostitution, drugs and cheap living costs, which causes a bad reputation as well...

Anyway, even with all this pros and cons, I still think itīs better to get out of the US, if it turns out to be a fascist country and those FEMA camps start getting activated.

If you need any help, just drop me a note and Iīll be glad to indicate some places here in Brazil that will welcome you with open arms.

Cheers,

Raf.

mosquito
17th December 2011, 10:18
I agree with a lot of what he says, but the article's spoiled by his typically patronizing attitude to South America. There's a very very good reason why a lot of South American people "haven't got the mentality" to buy 3 months worth of food all at once and therefore save a fortune, it's because they live in extreme poverty, they buy 1 meal's worth of food at a time because that's all they have money for. I know because I lived there (Peru) for a year. I'd also add that actually it's quite convenient to be able to buy 1 egg, a sachet of coffee, a small plastic bag of cooking oil, etc.

Frankly, with his attitude he's better off in the USA, and all the rest of us out here in backward-land are much better off and much happier without him and his ilk.

GaelVictor
17th December 2011, 11:30
Nice practicle article but it's fear-based. And that's what makes it obsolete imho.
In times of pending police state the worst you can do is keep your head down and blend in.

You need to be going out of your way to make people more aware in your community and form connections and groups.
Fight back with all your creativity, and yes prepare yourself too.

spiritguide
17th December 2011, 13:22
The world is full of BS. You can run but you can't hide. Any US citizen that wants to go elsewhere because they sat back and enjoyed the fruits for the taking and allowed the tree to go bare at the same time deserve what they get at there destination. The word integrity comes to mind, as in none. IMHO

To any citizen in any country, the house you built stands before you, if the results are disfunctional then repair it, if you choose to abandon it then you will surely loose it.

Antagenet
17th December 2011, 14:55
Being a seasoned expat of 20 years, I can verify that Mikes fear of living in another country is much more a reflection of his own fears and inability to let go of ugly american ways.

I think the secret to being accepted in a new country is to shed the all too common and obvious american style of feeling entitled and superior, and with an open heart embrace the good people you meet in another land, and give of yourself, but not neccessarily your money in an obvious way. Doing anonymous good deeds is more effective that acting affluent and advertising that you are doing "charity" work (as Mike did in some of his Ecuador videos).

Being supportive of neighbors, and understanding the way of live of the locals around you, and learning the language wherever you are speaks volumes to the locals. Humility and gratitude and smiles from the heart, and not talking so much, especially not with a big loud voice... these are the tips that will really help anyone who wants to join another culture. The world has had enough of usa nationals arrogance, and I have winced and wanted to apologise for too many loud, bragaddocio and often inebriated americans than I can even remember.

I wish that Mike would have separated his comments into two separate articles.. one about becoming an expat, and the other about preparedness, because they are two very seperate issues.

Then there is the option of planting many flags, or becoming a perpetual traveller as other valid options.

I think Mike did a huge disservice to americans who are considering moving abroad, by spreading his fears and thinking in black and white.

I have met hundreds to thousands of expats from many countries and almost none of them ever wanted to return to their country of origin.

Hugs to all who take this marvelous step of going further out into the world than many people around them. And hugs to those who stay in their country of origin. xoxox

alienHunter
17th December 2011, 15:34
Well, I agree with the article.

I understand that corruption is everywhere, however, there are different levels of corruption, and in my opinion, the corruption inside the US system is the worse of all.

Personally, as a American (South-American), I can say that the corruption here is mostly about stealing and diverting public money, to take small contextual advantages. I know, itīs bad when you take the money from generally poor people to selfish purposes, but it can get much worse.

Corruption in the US is not about money anymore, itīs about total control, which involves the destruction of the whole world. In my opinion, this is much worse than some occasional South-American politicians picking the public pockets here and there. The USA is literally destroying the whole world and thereīs no way to deny that.

Also, I donīt agree with the idea that South-American countries tend to be socialistic. You canīt mistake solidarity with socialism. Poor people in poor countries tend to have much more solidarity, sharing things with each other, which is totally different from Socialism, which is a political system. Here in Brazil, there are literally no deaths from starvation, because even in the poorest regions of the country, people stay together and help each other to survive. Thatīs a great thing in my opinion.

Of course, I understand that itīs hard to write such article without being biased towards your own country. Patriotism is one of the strongest kinds of brainwashing. For me, patriotism makes no sense, since the world is only one place, and one countryīs decision affects the whole globe.

If you decide to get out of North-America, you must know that there are good and bad people everywhere. You can be welcomed as brother in some areas, or you can be labeled as the enemy in others.

Here in South-America, a part of the population doesnīt like US citizens, for obvious reasons. The US donīt have good PR department, right? Its hard politics regarding immigration work both ways. Some people donīt think itīs fair to welcome US citizens here as best friends, and receive nothing in return; You know, itīs a pretty hard and bureaucratic process for South-Americans get legally inside the USA, even if its only for tourism or education.

Also, some tourists come here to discover a new culture, which is great. Others, come here to explore child prostitution, drugs and cheap living costs, which causes a bad reputation as well...

Anyway, even with all this pros and cons, I still think itīs better to get out of the US, if it turns out to be a fascist country and those FEMA camps start getting activated.

If you need any help, just drop me a note and Iīll be glad to indicate some places here in Brazil that will welcome you with open arms.

Cheers,

Raf.

I did find it interesting that the author cited lack of future planning stating that only the Europeans considered buying in bulk. Well, buying in bulk can also lead to waste. I do have some insight into the culture of 'don't waste' and personally agree with it. In the U.S. buying in bulk at one time was a cost effective way to go but if anyone has checked the pricing strategy in most corporate owned stores it seems that there is a price penalty for attempting to do that. Something that has had me scratching my head and looking for the logic in it for some time. Of course, maximizing profits is an obvious motivation.

Dawn
17th December 2011, 16:32
Alien Hunter: In the U.S. buying in bulk at one time was a cost effective way to go but if anyone has checked the pricing strategy in most corporate owned stores it seems that there is a price penalty for attempting to do that. Something that has had me scratching my head and looking for the logic in it for some time. Of course, maximizing profits is an obvious motivation.

I assume you live in the US because of what you wrote in your post. I just want to remind you that the national chain, COSTCO is a terrific place to buy in bulk. In fact that is the only way they sell food. Also, I've found great bulk prices on Amazon.com. Often I purchase things like Chia seeds from Amazon rather than my local health food store because of the great bulk prices I can get on the internet.

alienHunter
17th December 2011, 17:18
Hi Dawn,

I spent years at Sam's...one has to take careful aim at the products needed. I eventually left because the primary reason I joined was for the gas discount. Unfortunately, their discounted gas was more expensive than it was down the street.

I once was refused a replacement bottle of hot sauce by the store manager because a lot of people 'steal' things during the holidays. I had driven probably a total of 30 miles to retrieve it, had spent thousands of dollars in the store and then was greeted with 'people steal things during the holidays'. It was the last time I visited.

Camilo
17th December 2011, 17:45
Try your best. The collapse will affect the entire world, no matter where you are.

M6*
17th December 2011, 18:37
Hi Mountain Jim!
This is hilarious, and it has made my day.......a much better use of my time than shoveling snow that is going to melt soon anyway! Thanks for the post! M6*

Cartomancer
17th December 2011, 19:05
I think the concept of culture shock is something people don't take into consideration when they think about relocating to another country. It definitely helps if you have lived abroad before. No where is the same even within the United States. I have been lucky enough to live abroad for long periods in my life. Frankly I experienced more culture shock and more difficulties when moving back to the US than when I moved abroad.

I think we are all better off staying where we are. If the SHTF there will be no where that is going to be unaffected. The best thing to do is to take steps such as storing some food and water etc.

crosby
17th December 2011, 19:08
there is another food chain called "aldi's", not sure if it's national, but i know there are many in the northeast region. they carry only their own food branding, except for milk, meat products, and a few other things. their prices are sooooooo low. when i buy in bulk, this is where i go.

in regards to leaving: i truly do not think there is anywhere else too go. i'm staying right where i am. come hell or high water. and if the ba$tard$ want to take my food away from me, i will make them eat every last rotten bite of it. considering most food purchased in any store is really not healthy for us anyway. i'm in it for the long haul, they can bring it whenever they're ready.
regards, corson

Violet
17th December 2011, 22:33
there is another food chain called "aldi's", not sure if it's national, but i know there are many in the northeast region. they carry only their own food branding, except for milk, meat products, and a few other things. their prices are sooooooo low. when i buy in bulk, this is where i go.

in regards to leaving: i truly do not think there is anywhere else too go. i'm staying right where i am. come hell or high water. and if the ba$tard$ want to take my food away from me, i will make them eat every last rotten bite of it. considering most food purchased in any store is really not healthy for us anyway. i'm in it for the long haul, they can bring it whenever they're ready.
regards, corson

Is that Aldi from the German brothers? Wow, I'd really be surprised if they took it all the way to the US...

And same here...This advice is very interesting, theoretically but pretty worthless living on low income in some shabby apartment.

crosby
17th December 2011, 22:40
where can anybody go? they will find everyone, in due time. they are on a mission, and they won't stop until last man standing. i'm not afraid of whats coming. men have suffered greatly in the past and will do so in the future as well. at least and until the game changes.
regards, corson

and yes, it is the aldi's from the German brothers. it's a great store. very clean and lots of items too choose from

sygh
18th December 2011, 03:18
Being a seasoned expat of 20 years, I can verify that Mikes fear of living in another country is much more a reflection of his own fears and inability to let go of ugly american ways.

I think the secret to being accepted in a new country is to shed the all too common and obvious american style of feeling entitled and superior, and with an open heart embrace the good people you meet in another land, and give of yourself, but not neccessarily your money in an obvious way. Doing anonymous good deeds is more effective that acting affluent and advertising that you are doing "charity" work (as Mike did in some of his Ecuador videos).

Being supportive of neighbors, and understanding the way of live of the locals around you, and learning the language wherever you are speaks volumes to the locals. Humility and gratitude and smiles from the heart, and not talking so much, especially not with a big loud voice... these are the tips that will really help anyone who wants to join another culture. The world has had enough of usa nationals arrogance, and I have winced and wanted to apologise for too many loud, bragaddocio and often inebriated americans than I can even remember.

I wish that Mike would have separated his comments into two separate articles.. one about becoming an expat, and the other about preparedness, because they are two very seperate issues.

Then there is the option of planting many flags, or becoming a perpetual traveller as other valid options.

I think Mike did a huge disservice to americans who are considering moving abroad, by spreading his fears and thinking in black and white.

I have met hundreds to thousands of expats from many countries and almost none of them ever wanted to return to their country of origin.

Hugs to all who take this marvelous step of going further out into the world than many people around them. And hugs to those who stay in their country of origin. xoxox

I'm not picking a fight with you, you have your own set of beliefs and more power to you for them. I just can't agree with you though, and here is why. Not everyone is enlightened. Not everyone is educated. Not everyone has a great life. Not everyone is, shall we say - sane. Not everyone has a conscience. Not everyone is prepared, or could prepare, even if they wanted to.

There are people in this world who say, "I don't give a good XXX about you." There are people in this world who don't care if you worked hard to get prepared. These people are more than willing to take it from you because you are weaker than they are. Thus, according to them, you are getting what you deserve.

This video is appropriate (please, overlook the fowl language for the larger point? If not remove)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=JBCOgItoNvQ
hunger makes people do desperate things. Best to try to help as many people survive, no matter where you are.

modwiz
18th December 2011, 03:41
Well, I agree with the article.

I understand that corruption is everywhere, however, there are different levels of corruption, and in my opinion, the corruption inside the US system is the worse of all.

Personally, as a American (South-American), I can say that the corruption here is mostly about stealing and diverting public money, to take small contextual advantages. I know, itīs bad when you take the money from generally poor people to selfish purposes, but it can get much worse.

Corruption in the US is not about money anymore, itīs about total control, which involves the destruction of the whole world. In my opinion, this is much worse than some occasional South-American politicians picking the public pockets here and there. The USA is literally destroying the whole world and thereīs no way to deny that.

Also, I donīt agree with the idea that South-American countries tend to be socialistic. You canīt mistake solidarity with socialism. Poor people in poor countries tend to have much more solidarity, sharing things with each other, which is totally different from Socialism, which is a political system. Here in Brazil, there are literally no deaths from starvation, because even in the poorest regions of the country, people stay together and help each other to survive. Thatīs a great thing in my opinion.

Of course, I understand that itīs hard to write such article without being biased towards your own country. Patriotism is one of the strongest kinds of brainwashing. For me, patriotism makes no sense, since the world is only one place, and one countryīs decision affects the whole globe.

If you decide to get out of North-America, you must know that there are good and bad people everywhere. You can be welcomed as brother in some areas, or you can be labeled as the enemy in others.

Here in South-America, a part of the population doesnīt like US citizens, for obvious reasons. The US donīt have good PR department, right? Its hard politics regarding immigration work both ways. Some people donīt think itīs fair to welcome US citizens here as best friends, and receive nothing in return; You know, itīs a pretty hard and bureaucratic process for South-Americans get legally inside the USA, even if its only for tourism or education.

Also, some tourists come here to discover a new culture, which is great. Others, come here to explore child prostitution, drugs and cheap living costs, which causes a bad reputation as well...

Anyway, even with all this pros and cons, I still think itīs better to get out of the US, if it turns out to be a fascist country and those FEMA camps start getting activated.

If you need any help, just drop me a note and Iīll be glad to indicate some places here in Brazil that will welcome you with open arms.

Cheers,

Raf.

I did find it interesting that the author cited lack of future planning stating that only the Europeans considered buying in bulk. Well, buying in bulk can also lead to waste. I do have some insight into the culture of 'don't waste' and personally agree with it. In the U.S. buying in bulk at one time was a cost effective way to go but if anyone has checked the pricing strategy in most corporate owned stores it seems that there is a price penalty for attempting to do that. Something that has had me scratching my head and looking for the logic in it for some time. Of course, maximizing profits is an obvious motivation.

It leaves me scratching my head as well, after I do the math....in my head. The larger sizes are often bad choices and actually cost more per pound or ounce. Most supermakets these days have the breakdown cost right next to the bar code used for re-ordering. Even those challenged by math have it done for them. Those challenged by life are another story. The bad choices are for them.

mosquito
18th December 2011, 04:14
I agree with a lot of what he says, but the article's spoiled by his typically patronizing attitude to South America. There's a very very good reason why a lot of South American people "haven't got the mentality" to buy 3 months worth of food all at once and therefore save a fortune, it's because they live in extreme poverty, they buy 1 meal's worth of food at a time because that's all they have money for. I know because I lived there (Peru) for a year. I'd also add that actually it's quite convenient to be able to buy 1 egg, a sachet of coffee, a small plastic bag of cooking oil, etc.

Frankly, with his attitude he's better off in the USA, and all the rest of us out here in backward-land are much better off and much happier without him and his ilk.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but you have no idea what you're talking about at all. I was born in SA and currently live in SA. You should not talk about something you know nothing about whatsoever. For your information, South America is the richest region on the planet, and that's why many people from all over the world want to come here to live and enjoy life. I recomend you educate yourself before you make ignorant statement like the one you made here.

I'm not sure I fully understand your rant, clearly you haven't read what I said, or if you did then you didn't understand one single word.

Did I say everyone in every South American country is poor ? No.
Did I say that people from around the world haven't successfully managed to live in South America ? No.
South America is indeed one of the richest regions in the world, but unfortunately that doesn't translate into prosperity and quality of life for everyone.

Uneducated ? Something I know nothing about ? FYI -

I spent one year living in a run-down barrio in Iquitos in Peru. The people lived without running water, without drainage and proper sewage disposal, and for the most part with little or no money. There was little investment in the local infrastructure, though things were slowly changing while I was there.

Something else you've clearly failed to grasp from my post is that I was objecting to the author's patronizing attitude to South America and its' people (who are among the warmest and friendliest on Earth) as well as his equally condescending attitude to any other country which doesn't deliver the way of life he wants.

Ellisa
18th December 2011, 04:59
It may be that moving is more difficult than imagined. Most countries have very strict immigration rules, particularly with regard to age, education, professional qualifications and ability to support yourself financially until you get employment. Even if you are very wealthy some countries require you to have a business plan before you resettle. Qualifications can be difficult to transfer and good health is required, for the intending immigrant and also his/her family as well.

There is a difference in visa requirements for those people staying for a short time, eg. holidays,or staying for a short time and working or studying and those staying to re-settle. The qualifications for permanent residence can be very strict and deportation is the result of ignoring them.

Living in a different country from that of your birth is not to be taken lightly. I have spent a large part of my adult life in Australia, which is a country of immigrants. I would not live elsewhere. It is a country where difference is well tolerated and, usually, newcomers are made welcome. BUT it is extremely hard to get in as a permanent settler.

Personally I think the US seems large enough to find somewhere for its citizens to call home. In a post-'disaster' world fleeing for sactuary elsewhere would not seem to me to be a practical thing to do. When misfortune happens it is aour friends and neighbours who will help us. After all they will all be in it together. Hopefully they will be co-operaing and bravely helping each other to weather this possible latest storm, not not scampering off to a strange land. Home is where the support will be.

mountain_jim
19th December 2011, 22:24
The responses really flowed in since I last checked here. I appreciate and agree with about all of them!

This article arrived in my awareness syncronistically for me after discovering a new 'prepper's store' had opened right across from my bank. I went in and looked around, just bought a replacement camper utensil set for one I had lost. Looked at the water filtration systems, which do interest me, and the solar oven. Wanted to get the coffee grinder because of spending a week without power after a blizzard and having no good way to grind my beans, but could not justify the cost for something I did not think I would need a couple of weeks into a collapse situation as I don't grow or store large amounts of coffee beans.

Then later the same day I read an article where that store was featured in a regional free paper, and the folks I met who owned it turned out to be a retired deputy sheriff with many years of service, and other contacts were giving lectures about all this in local communities and one small real estate developer was designing a set of homesites with a communal growing area and orchard and such, also tapping into this current area of interest.

GlassSteagallfan
20th December 2011, 08:06
The question is:

Would you have left Germany during the Hitler cabal, knowing what you know now?

History repeats itself.

mountain_jim
20th December 2011, 15:24
Well my intuition (or internal guidance system), which I have trusted for my whole life, is still telling me I am where I should be. It also tells me that Hitler's history is not going to be successful at repeating itself here in the USA, perhaps because of the more aware reality creators/adjusters here now working the problem, though I can't prove that's not just 'hope'.

A group of friends of mine had a rock band with a song I invoke in these situations, though, "Only Time Will Tell' .

In meantime I at least have healthy gravity-fed, no electricity needed mountain spring water and plenty of wood for stove-fuel, while I intend and await disclosure of that zpe energy system TPTW keep suppressing.

BlueGem
20th December 2011, 23:24
I agree with the culture shock aspect of moving away from your country of origin. I moved to the UK from Ireland over a year ago, thinking it would be a similar-ish place, but it was the little things that really made a difference.

Also, me and a couple of friends are thinking about moving to Wales, as rural as possible (well, broadband availability depending of course!) and growing as much food as possible and raising some animals. Of course, legally you're technically not allowed to do that. Don't ask me why because I'll get angry. This:

http://foodfreedom.wordpress.com/2011/07/01/uk-family-living-off-the-grid-evicted-from-their-own-land/

That IMO is pure ****e, and just ridiculous how laws prevent people from living healthily and are not claiming benefits. Flagrant disregard for common sense!