David Wilcock receives very serious death threat, after Fulford gets kidnapped

[Jonathon]

Thought I would add in an unfortunate voice of dissension. I had been looking forward to hearing the radio show after all of the hub-bub, however the Aussie/Tasmanian with the fake Scotch/Irish accent lost me - he seemed to try a little too hard, which for someone of his presumed caliber seemed dramatically overreaching. I say Aussie/Tasmanian because I picked up a few words he missed his accent on - he sounded roughly similar to a Tasmanian family I used to hang out with. But anyway, he really seemed to over extend himself with the insistence on mentioning the 'far away/off planet-type' comments and the occasional egocentric 'scent'. The whole spiel really bugged me. In truth, the WHOLE thing bothers me - the Fulford 'stuff', the civil suit, the ensuing drama etc. I can't say anything for certain, but it's just not adding up for me - and I've read every bit of it. Something is amiss here.

[astrid]

Kerry -"LISTEN LIVE: FULFORD IS ON AFR RIGHT NOW talking to Sean David Morton!"
7:52 PM

But its over now, i will post up the archive when it shows up......

[Taurean]

A Ahaa moment ?

1aWTsxSOTDA



http://www.unoitc.org/

[Referee]

Just food for thought however do not forget Dutchsinse is also pulling the plug.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Thank you all and especially David for his courage to bring out the full background of our current artificial created slave world... wow..
I must inform you all (although it is dangerous for me and my family to disclose details about the people i worked with, which i will not do for now) that i have been involved and worked with the so-called Secured Investment Programs (better known as HYIP - High Yield Investment Programs) which i then back in 1994 was given the understanding of, being good for mankind, since these programs came out after the Bretton Woods Convention with the purpose (thats what they said) of rebuilding especially the Baltic countries (axis countries) after WWII. For you who have never heard of these programs, these are for high net worth individuals Only, requiring a minimum of USD 500 million in cash from the investor/funder, and bare no risk to the funds invested. The investor is needed since a bank issuing bank bonds (called MTNs or Medium Term Notes) is not allowed to sell their new issue directly to another bank. Therefore the funder/investor and his/their account holding the 500 million is needed to take delivery from bank 1 and place with bank 2, so the investor earns the spread/fee for trading or moving the Bond/Note from Primary to Pre-secondary market. The spreads can range from 5-10% per trade and these trades usually are done Monday to Thursday (from 4 - 8 trades per week) over a contract period of typical 1 year (these days can be a longer contract of 5 years i.e.) agreements are made with the investor so the majority of the earned profits (20-40% per week or more) are going to so-called humanitarian projects (which i see now is all a lie). You will ask yourself why banks are selling their bonds/notes way below market price since you would think that they will create a loss for them or a very expensive way of borrowing, but that is not the case ... Fractional Bank Lending, where the bank holding the 500 million of the investors money, can these days issue debt for between 20 and 100 times the cash on the balance sheet, and these MTNs are issued Off Balance, there comes the Grey screen in the picture, so imagine how much money is there non recorded for.

I know that many of you may have sniffed to this kind of business or maybe even have tried to make it or facilitate such trades, but never have been close enough to a So-called Commitment Holder. I have been a member of a group which was directly connected to a now deceased commitment holder who was, lets say buddy with a US president and represented by a Senior Partner in a major US law firm and is the former Secretary of the US treasury, and i know this business well and i am so glad that i quit it, since their plan was to get me much deeper involved. Lets end it here although there but if any of you have further questions about further details about how these programs work, i will answer these questions, but i will not disclose the names of these persons i was working with, since the system is braking down and these programs have only a short life left now (they are being exposed). These programs are depending upon strong issuing banks with strong credit ratings, and we all know that the current financial system is in too much debt, and since this is the back bone of the trades, it is practically over... Thank you God.

Love and light to you all
Peter

[jaybee]

Ok here goes...

1. I am only posting this because I want to get to the 'Truth' the whole 'Truth' and nothing but the 'Truth'..!

2. Many including myself, have asked 'Who is' the 'Anonymous Irishman'..? How did he learn of all this Drama going on with David Wilcock, the Ben Fulford Story and the subsequent 'Death Threat's', etc...

So today I offer you all a (Word for Word) Transcription (With Time-Stamps) of how the 'Anonymous Irishman' was (Introduced & How) he came about finding his way on to Kerry's Show with David Wilcock..?


The 'Anonymous Irishman'

Listen/Read this Carefully...Remember this a (Word for Word) Transcription (Please feel Free to Check it for Yourself)

@ 37.55 minutes

Kerry Cassidy:


Ok, where going to a break, we've got a person that is coming on the line shortly here...David would I know this Witness..?

David Wilcock:


Yes..

Kerry Cassidy:


Ok, Thankyou...


***Long Commercial/Music Break***

@43.40 Minutes

Kerry Cassidy:


Ok, now to take some of the heat off him, we are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. he has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure David is protected. Let's put it that way! But this person will be 'Anonymous', they willbe familiar with the situation, so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...


***Short Intro/Hello from Kerry to schedueled Guest 'Maxine'***

@45.00 Minutes

Kerry Cassidy:


Ok, let's continue with the situation here...David what your gonna need to do, is go over the situation for our Caller...Caller are you on the Air here, we've got 'Anonymous' are you on the line..?

Anonymous:


I, your talking to me...

Kerry Cassidy:


Than you so much for coming on the call...I do understand that you work in a very sensitive capacity, that you were just notified of the situation with David Wilcock...that you are concerned. We welcome your prescense here on the Air with us tonight, David will be happy to Answer all of your Questions and will over everything for you...

David, say hello to 'Anonymous'...

David Wilcock:


Hi there...

Anonymous:


Hi there David, I understand you've got a few problems there?

David Wilcock:


Yeh, ah...it has'nt been a very good day...

...and so it continues into the start of the (Full) interview with Kerry, David & Anonymous...

Here is a copy of the Radio Interview (http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-121411.mp3) to check it for yourself...

Again, my only Goal here is to get to the 'Truth' the whole 'Truth' and nothing but the 'Truth'..!

I would say, a couple of the 'Answers' to the some of the 'Questions' posed here @ Avalon have been given, not by me. But from the participants above, don't you..???

:behindsofa:



Hi Jackovesk.....I would like to make a tiny correction, if I may, to the below (which is in your post above)...I've underlined an addition, and the correction is because it makes the sentence clearer...



Ok, now to take some of the heat off him, we are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. he has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure David is protected. Let's put it that way! But this person will be 'Anonymous', they willbe familiar with the situation, so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...





........"(but we are also doing this over the air) now to take some of the heat off him. We are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. He's been notified of the situation. He has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure that David is protected, lets put it that way, but this person will be...um...anonymous. They will be...er... not be familiar with the situation so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...."


I've missed out some of the ums and errs.......:)


I'm not sure exactly what you are implying with this post....are you questioning the speculation of Anonymous being 'off world', that some people in the thread have been mentioning? (I do not have an opinion on this aspect, myself. But if push came to shove I would go for On World)

Perhaps you could clarify...

Many thanks


:thumb:

[Calz]

Someone sent me the link to this article (apparently a bit reluctant to post it themselves). Clearly that person is "brighter" than I since I am fool enough to proceed. :nerd:

Actually a rather interesting perspective so I thought I would go ahead and throw it out here. From Clif High and I understand he isn't given the highest regard here as well. His method for "surfing the web for the future" seems to have gone awry but is usually interesting to listen to (on Veritas 4 times I believe).

Small amount of "colorful" language warning to anyone sensitive to that.


____________________________


Yet more critical thinking and those damn old taoists...

with respect, let us be clear.


Words are important. Especially as a tool reaching towards critical thinking.

Thus it is with awareness that the following statement is made; critical thinking is about being self analytic with respect to our own presumed knowledge. Stated another way, critical thinking means to be aware of the tendency for 'sludge' to accumulate in our analysis of universe over time as assumptions of the moment mature into permanent bias.

Critical thinking does not mean to be critical of others. As if to reinforce that fact, those humans most possessive of critical thinking are constantly giving other humans space on everything as they (the critical thinker) realize just how screwy is their own thought process. And they are self analytic and self critical. Imagine what it is like to be neither.

Not all things are visible, nor apparent in universe, and most situations are extremely complicated, if not complex. This noted, there have been a number of questions raised about the 'lawsuit to end the NWO'.

In the instant of examination of the documents and wujo context of the lawsuit, it becomes clear that very wonky thinking is involved in this from a big picture perspective which is lost to those within the details of what appears to be a charade.

Note, if accurately reported (as a component of the whole lawsuit to end NWO storyline....go to divinecosmos.com to follow this), by David Wilcock the amount of gold on the planet is 2 million tons of gold instead of the mere 120,000 tons of gold reported by officialdom global estimates. If so, it is not, as David and others who are emotionally attached to the 'lawsuit as nice and easy solution to NWO without violence, death, revolution, destruction, and horror' camp, worth anything like what they think. Ask anyone who buys metals. Ask any dealer.....the more gold, the cheaper it becomes. They, David Wilcock, and the rest of the 'lawsuit camp followers' are victims of their own ignorance of commodities markets, and the assumptions hardened into their point of view of universe.

Please note, that the 'discovery' or revealing of an additional 1.88 million tons of gold on the planet would, in an of itself, crash the financial system to rubble. What must be understood by the lawsuit aficionado's is that the whole of terrestrial humanity's exchange system is based on scarcity. It is only the rarity of certain minerals that give them 'perceived value'. If gold is plentiful, it is not valuable.

Further, as a side note, in battling a control system (aka NWO/Illuminati/bastard zionist elites), it is unrealistic to expect the control system to set up rules (aka the 'legal system') that would either facilitate or allow for its own destruction. In other words, the NWO planetary control system that provides the red shield group with their power will not be removed from within by its own rules. The legal system exists to protect the interests of the power elite, and for no other reason.

Now it can readily be imagined that the NWO system of control systems itself could be undone from within, however all such thoughts return to extra systemic asymmetry as the actual tactic that does the job, rather than any form of 'within the system niceties' such as lawsuits.

As a note of personal confession, i admit to a certain laisse faire attitude about much of the conspiracy verbiage in the wujo. This attitude is bordering on becoming pure disinterest as mind thinks, 'oh yeah, smelt that bull**** before and it still stinks'.

However this time, things are interesting. As an old fart watching his own slow reabsorption back into matterium, and full of years of observing dark doings, it is within my experience to understand what David Wilcock is going through. You see, i have no doubt at all that David Wilcock IS indeed being threatened.

Threats perceived are threats received. Having been on the receiving side of some, i know how it feels, but more importantly, being into critical thinking, i recognize how such threats are multiple layered tactics.

To those in the nasty stare of the public eye, information will be presented by all manner of 'tipsters'. Most, in my experience, of the presented reports lead back to bogus information, though it may have come through very well meaning humans. Look at how pervasive this effect is within the msm (mainstream media = propaganda whore press) where the reporters are constantly showing up with bogus stories. Some are actually invented by the press whore-wannabe's trying to creatively write their way up the corporate ladder, but many are from well intentioned reporters who get suckered with seemingly good information.

One surety about the whole situation is that every presentation of information is intended to create a response. Whether the information comes from an honest person with no agenda who is just responding to a WTF! contact with reality, or whether the information is coming from the dark rectum connected to the digestive bowels of the secret ops world, it's presentation is intended to elicit a response.

What makes this case particularly interesting is the curious nature of the collective experience around 'the lawsuit'. The whole 'lawsuit to end the NWO meme' has been in circulation for almost 2/two years now, and we first reported on the seemingly extra systemic approach to 'solution' about a year earlier in our forecasts. But, from the perspective of those who are proffering the 'lawsuit as external savior with no violence to change the world and yet somehow the elites remain in power meme', the response has been worse than tepid. So far, an abject failure.

As a point of comparison, the power elite received much more bang for their emotional buck on the 'Wanta trillions to save the world'. Or even its lower level emotional derivative cousin, the 'iraqi dinar gonna save my personal financial butt' meme.

It is necessary to note in this context that some years ago i discovered that a conspiracy board named Godlikeproductions, or GLP, (the gulper's here at hph), is being used as a 'signalling' device. Perhaps even a triggering platform, though i am not yet certain about that just yet. However, it is certain that a relationship exists between specific forms of posts about wujo individuals on the GLP forum and events that occur in those persons lives some weeks later. The number of weeks varies with the personalities involved. In this specific case of David Wilcock, the delta on the appearance of specific forms of posts at GLP and events in his life is never less than 3/three weeks and never more than 4/four. It is my understanding that David Wilcock is aware of this relationship.

Not so curiously then, when my spyders picked up some of these specifically formed 'tell' posts at the gulpers 3+ weeks ago, i put a mental tickler into place to be looking for something new to emerge around or within David's life. This morning it emerged that a death threat was the next plot twist in this real-life drama.

Please note that i specifically DO think the death threat was very real indeed.

You see, it all makes perfect sense in a strange, wujo twisted way; the power elites employ disinfo squads to suck energy OUT of situations such as we have with the Great Rapid Unraveling Naked Cash Heist (GRUNCH homage to Bucky!) currently on going here on earth. How do they suck energy out of such situations? Well....by captivating it, and redirecting into areas that will spiral into themselves. A basic NLP/hypnosis thing that is also harmonizing with how universe works (the whole spiraling inward aspect). A basic, mass mind control tool. They, the power elite use it all the time as it is one of their best tools. Other examples are the Wanta Trillions... endlessly absorbing retelling of the external savior myth refocused onto the money system of the planet.

They use this siphon-n-spiral technique as it usually works.

That no real natural emotional pool is developing around the 'Fulford lawsuit to end the NWO' probably has annoyed those tasked with implementing this next play to divert emotional energy. So, as with all good directors, when the audience has lost interest in the plot, they bring out the special effects boys...whose first response is usually something very dramatic, escalating, and flashy.

Such as death threats. Always an attention getter...i know personally, and damn dramatic.

The psy-ops team get their bang for the buck by rudely banging down the mental doors of their chosen subject in order to do what? No, not to frighten them...that is merely the motivation toward their goal which is the production and projection of yet more emotional energy into the situation.

An analysis of David Wilcock at an objective level of the material he has participated in revealing shows a fairly core Vatta body type individual who also demonstrates the tendency of those with this body type to be empathetic, imaginative, and creative, and emotionally expressive. As a 'peak individual' of this body type, David is also, as expected, charismatic and possessive of abilities to project his emotional vibrational complex in a very focused, and effective manner. Especially to other humans also sharing Vatta body type characteristics. It is this aspect/attribute set that have propelled him up the wujo speaking circuit to his present situation. This is how his body template expresses into universe, but also note that the personality within the template possesses considerable skill and nuance in the use of the body template. All of this combined makes David Wilcock an excellent target vehicle for the psy-ops control crews.

If they can direct David via manipulating his vatta dosha in their desired direction, then they can, through him, direct his audience, which is considerable. Again, his very success at employing his template effectively here in matterium will naturally make him a target of the tools of the power elite who will certainly try to make him as they are, yet another tool.

By hook, or by crook, as we are witnessing on the wujo stage now. By the way, these psy-ops boys try this sheeit on lots of wujo fellows.

But, it is this contextual understanding of the situation that forms my position that the threats are indeed real, though it would seem unreasonable for the psy-ops boys to waste David over this lawsuit meme. The situation would not seem to warrant risking potential future use of David's position as an unwitting participant in their dramas by actually killing him now. Having learned Paranoia, the martial art from Master Igor, it would still seem advisable for David to operate in 'touchy and twitchy' mode, but examining the downside of for the psy-ops of David's premature demise suggests that it is unlikely over this level of material.

It is the mud that fills the spew that makes contact with reality difficult. While the internet has provided chaos that we may dispute the 'order' of our self declared masters/rulers, within the muddy slick that is our medium of contention, discernment at all levels is required. Note that sometimes, merely because it is required of the larger strategy, tactics of the enemy are accepted for the moment.

We see that those damn old taoists waaay back, back before history gets mystery (about 1000 alleged year current era), had a perfectly correct view of reality when they stated that 'awareness changes all'.

To be aware of our roles in universe is a very difficult and continually demanding task as these change over time and situation, yet it is perfectly true that such awareness is key to the only 'escape clause' in the system. The buddhists phrased it as 'only those who observe (the patterns ruling their destiny), can step out of them'. In this new time that we have settling upon our collective shoulders, it may be better to observe that 'awareness allows us to best direct our roles'.





copyright does not matter now. sharpen the appetite, pies are coming this spring.

December 15, 2011 by clif high


http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

[jackovesk]

Hi Jackovesk.....I would like to make a tiny correction, if I may, to the below (which is in your post above)...I've underlined an addition, and the correction is because it makes the sentence clearer...


Ok, now to take some of the heat off him, we are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. he has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure David is protected. Let's put it that way! But this person will be 'Anonymous', they willbe familiar with the situation, so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...



........"(but we are also doing this over the air) now to take some of the heat off him. We are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. He's been notified of the situation. He has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure that David is protected, lets put it that way, but this person will be...um...anonymous. They will be...er... not be familiar with the situation so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...."

I've missed out some of the ums and errs.......:)

I'm not sure exactly what you are implying with this post....are you questioning the speculation of Anonymous being 'off world', that some people in the thread have been mentioning? (I do not have an opinion on this aspect, myself. But if push came to shove I would go for On World)

Perhaps you could clarify...

Many thanks


:thumb:

I stand corrected, Thank you jaybee...

I am not saying there is no 'Truth' to this story at all, but it does make you wonder?

...and I think its Wise to use your own 'Discernment' at all times, especially with this story...


"We should all look for what is, and not for what we think it should be."

Rgs,

Jack

[Curt]

The crying at the beginning of the interview, the Irishman, the whole thing....none of it rings true. The whole thing has the same emotional feel as a World Wrestling Federation cage match...I don't buy into David Wilcock, and probably never will. And, actually, the whole thing seems so ridiculous it almost (I say almost) makes me reconsider the reliability of Kerry's truth-radar.

[jaybee]

Hi Jackovesk.....I would like to make a tiny correction, if I may, to the below (which is in your post above)...I've underlined an addition, and the correction is because it makes the sentence clearer...


Ok, now to take some of the heat off him, we are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. he has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure David is protected. Let's put it that way! But this person will be 'Anonymous', they willbe familiar with the situation, so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...



........"(but we are also doing this over the air) now to take some of the heat off him. We are going to bring on a person who is working in a sensitive capacity around the world. He's been notified of the situation. He has the ability to get the right people involved to make sure that David is protected, lets put it that way, but this person will be...um...anonymous. They will be...er... not be familiar with the situation so David is going to have to possibly repeat some of what he has already described when the person comes on the air...."

I've missed out some of the ums and errs.......:)

I'm not sure exactly what you are implying with this post....are you questioning the speculation of Anonymous being 'off world', that some people in the thread have been mentioning? (I do not have an opinion on this aspect, myself. But if push came to shove I would go for On World)

Perhaps you could clarify...

Many thanks


:thumb:

I stand corrected, Thank you jaybee...

I am not saying there is no 'Truth' to this story at all, but it does make you wonder?

...and I think its Wise to use your own 'Discernment' at all times, especially with this story...


"We should all look for what is, and not for what we think it should be."

Rgs,

Jack


Hi....I'm still not clear on exactly what you WERE saying....and what questions were answered by the transcript quotes you used...:confused:...but never mind we can leave it there if you want to.

Hopefully we DO all use our own discernment at all times, I know I try to. For example I never bought into the Charles thing, right from the start, and in fact put a post expressing my doubts at the beginning. Then I lost interest so I didn't get into all the stuff that went on afterwards. So I don't even know what exactly went down there.


But I DO trust David Wilcock.


anyway....to lighten the mood....re the death threats...:o


nGUORSB1V14


.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

The crying at the beginning of the interview, the Irishman, the whole thing....none of it rings true. The whole thing has the same emotional feel as a World Wrestling Federation cage match...I don't buy into David Wilcock, and probably never will. And, actually, the whole thing seems so ridiculous it almost (I say almost) makes me reconsider the reliability of Kerry's truth-radar.

same same scotty

[cellardoor]

does anybody know who/what 'the 505' are ??? I googled but found nothing

This is from wikipedia

The mission of the 505th CCW is to improve warfighter capability through command and control testing, tactics development and training. While the mission focuses on Component Numbered Air Forces (C-NAF) attached and assigned forces, the wing is also tasked to support joint and coalition forces engaged in all aspects of command and control, or C2. C2 is where the integration of air, space and cyber happens! Through a multi-disciplinary approach to training and development of tactics, techniques and procedures (TTP) for C-NAF Headquarters; testing and training of key C2 systems; comprehensive, realistic, cutting-edge operational through tactical-level live, virtual and constructive exercises, the 505th is postured to provide the best possible support to Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines fighting and winning our nation's battles. The 505th CCW is responsible for developing the combat capability of the Air and Space Operations Center (AOC) and for developing and integrating joint live, virtual and constructive training capabilities within the Air Force Distributed Mission Operations Center. In addition to hosting the Air Force's only AOC Formal Training Unit, the 505th CCW delivers realistic, cutting-edge operational C2 training through Blue Flag, Virtual Flag, Joint Expeditionary Force Experiment and equivalent overseas Combatant Command and Service exercises and executes operational test for all elements of the Theater Air Control System including E-3A AWACS, E-8 Joint STARS, Command Reporting Center, AOC, Air Force Digital Common Ground Station and Tactical Air Control Party. Through the Operational Command Training Program, Air Force retired three-star general officer Senior Mentors train Air Force, joint and coalition operational-level commanders and their staffs.

505th CCW Detachment 1 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas advises the United States Army Combined Arms Center Commanding General and key staff on all aspects of air and space power doctrine and employment, and integrates realistic air and space capabilities in the Army's worldwide Battle Command Training Program. Det 1 integrates a doctrinally-correct representation of air power in Army Mission Rehearsal Exercises and Warfighter Exercises.

The unique mission of the 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron is to provide Department of Defense radar planning, integration and evaluations while simultaneously monitoring the U.S. radar grid.

Through a multi-disciplinary approach to training and development of tactics, techniques, and procedures for the AOC; testing and training of key C2 systems; and comprehensive, realistic, state-of-the-art operational and tactical live, virtual and constructive exercises, the 505th CCW prepares Air Force, joint and coalition forces for crisis, contingency and combat operations

[sygh]

Watching from Cyprus,

Hello. A question for you... When you wrote, ...'and i am so glad that i quit it, since their plan was to get me much deeper involved.', what did you mean? I've read your post and I'm not sure if I get the gist of your message as well.

One more question, please. You wrote:

"The spreads can range from 5-10% per trade and these trades usually are done Monday to Thursday (from 4 - 8 trades per week) over a contract period of typical 1 year (these days can be a longer contract of 5 years i.e.) agreements are made with the investor so the majority of the earned profits (20-40% per week or more) are going to so-called humanitarian projects (which i see now is all a lie). You will ask yourself why banks are selling their bonds/notes way below market price since you would think that they will create a loss for them or a very expensive way of borrowing, but that is not the case ..."

I take this to mean the investor makes the money off the 5%-10% trade spread. Then the majority of the earned profits (20%-40% @ week +or -) are supposed to go to "humanitarian projects" but have not? Where has the profit gone? Also, if Banks are selling their bond notes way below price and it doesn't create a loss for them, what is the case?

Thank you.

Robin

[Calz]

Well it appears we can at least lay the Fulford kidnapping story to rest ...


http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
About my “kidnapping.”

2011/12/15

For the past couple of days the internet has been filled with reports that I have been kidnapped. The reason for this is that through a misunderstanding. I missed an appointment with Chodoin Daikaku, the head of many of the world’s largest martial arts societies and an important ally. When all attempts to contact me failed, he assumed something nefarious must have happened to me. Given the various attempts on my life and other harassment directed towards me by the cabal, that was an entirely realistic assumption.

The truth, however, is that I went to a stream by the mountains in order to have a private conversation with a certain individual. These days mobile phones are GPS enabled portable listening devices while drones and other surveillance technology make having a private conversation almost impossible. For that reason, I find it necessary to go near a loud (lots of static) stream in a narrow mountain valley to make sure I can have a private conversation. However, I can assure everybody that I am just fine and was not “kidnapped.”

[transiten]

Good Ol' trickster:jester: Mercury playing his pranks...again not until he's reached the degreee where he started his "backwards" journey will issues become clearer and not even then, but more information is coming for sure.....

[cellardoor]

does anybody know who/what 'the 505' are ??? I googled but found nothing

This is from wikipedia

The mission of the 505th CCW is to improve warfighter capability through command and control testing, tactics development and training. While the mission focuses on Component Numbered Air Forces (C-NAF) attached and assigned forces, the wing is also tasked to support joint and coalition forces engaged in all aspects of command and control, or C2. C2 is where the integration of air, space and cyber happens! Through a multi-disciplinary approach to training and development of tactics, techniques and procedures (TTP) for C-NAF Headquarters; testing and training of key C2 systems; comprehensive, realistic, cutting-edge operational through tactical-level live, virtual and constructive exercises, the 505th is postured to provide the best possible support to Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines fighting and winning our nation's battles. The 505th CCW is responsible for developing the combat capability of the Air and Space Operations Center (AOC) and for developing and integrating joint live, virtual and constructive training capabilities within the Air Force Distributed Mission Operations Center. In addition to hosting the Air Force's only AOC Formal Training Unit, the 505th CCW delivers realistic, cutting-edge operational C2 training through Blue Flag, Virtual Flag, Joint Expeditionary Force Experiment and equivalent overseas Combatant Command and Service exercises and executes operational test for all elements of the Theater Air Control System including E-3A AWACS, E-8 Joint STARS, Command Reporting Center, AOC, Air Force Digital Common Ground Station and Tactical Air Control Party. Through the Operational Command Training Program, Air Force retired three-star general officer Senior Mentors train Air Force, joint and coalition operational-level commanders and their staffs.

505th CCW Detachment 1 at Fort Leavenworth, Kansas advises the United States Army Combined Arms Center Commanding General and key staff on all aspects of air and space power doctrine and employment, and integrates realistic air and space capabilities in the Army's worldwide Battle Command Training Program. Det 1 integrates a doctrinally-correct representation of air power in Army Mission Rehearsal Exercises and Warfighter Exercises.

The unique mission of the 84th Radar Evaluation Squadron is to provide Department of Defense radar planning, integration and evaluations while simultaneously monitoring the U.S. radar grid.

Through a multi-disciplinary approach to training and development of tactics, techniques, and procedures for the AOC; testing and training of key C2 systems; and comprehensive, realistic, state-of-the-art operational and tactical live, virtual and constructive exercises, the 505th CCW prepares Air Force, joint and coalition forces for crisis, contingency and combat operations

Brig. Gen. John N.T. "Jack" Shanahan is the Deputy Director for Global Operations, Operations Directorate, Joint Staff, the Pentagon, Washington D.C. His is responsible to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff for oversight and coordination of worldwide operational matters. This includes reconnaissance, information operations, space and missile defense, military information support operations, and special technical operations.

General Shanahan received his commission in 1984 as a distinguished graduate of the ROTC program at the University of Michigan. He has served in a variety of flying, staff and command assignments. His staff assignments include Northeast Asia Regional Exercise Branch Chief in the Operations Directorate at Headquarters U.S. Pacific Command, and senior military assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs in the Office of the Secretary of Defense. He has commanded the USAF Weapons School Support Division, Nellis AFB, Nev.; 480th Intelligence Group, Langley AFB, Va.; and 505th Command and Control Wing, Hurlburt Field, Fla.

General Shanahan is a master navigator with more than 2,800 flying hours in the F-4D/E/G, F-15E and RC-135. He is authorized to wear the basic intelligence occupational badge.

EDUCATION
1984 Bachelor of Science degree in chemistry, with distinction, University of Michigan, Ann Arbor
1990 Distinguished graduate, Squadron Officer School, Maxwell AFB, Ala.
1996 Distinguished graduate, Master of Arts degree in national security and strategic studies, College of Naval Command and Staff, Naval War College, Newport, R.I.
2001 Distinguished graduate, Master of Science degree in national security strategy, National War College, Fort Lesley J. McNair, Washington, D.C.
2006 Program for Senior Executive Fellows, John F. Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University, Cambridge, Mass.
2007 Air Force Senior Leadership Course, Center for Creative Leadership, Greensboro, N.C.
2008 Air Force Enterprise Leadership Seminar, Kenan-Flagler Business School, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
2010 Joint Force Air Component Commander Course, Maxwell AFB, Ala.

ASSIGNMENTS


1. November 1984 - June 1985, student, undergraduate navigator training, 451st Flying Training Squadron, Mather AFB, Calif.
2. June 1985 - June 1986, student, F-4 Operational Training Course, 308th Tactical Fighter Training Squadron, Homestead AFB, Fla.
3. June 1986 - June 1989, F-4E/G instructor weapons system officer, 90th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Clark Air Base, Philippines
4. June 1989 - February 1991, F-4E instructor weapons system officer and standardization and evaluation flight examiner, 334th Tactical Fighter Squadron, Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C.
5. February 1991 - June 1991, student, F-15E Transition Course, 550th Tactical Fighter Training Squadron, Luke AFB, Ariz.
6. July 1991 - July 1993, F-15E instructor weapons system officer and standardization and evaluation flight examiner, 334th Fighter Squadron, Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C.
7. July 1993 - December 1993, student, F-15E USAF Weapons Instructor Course, Nellis AFB, Nev.
8. December 1993 - July 1995, F-15E Chief of Weapons and Tactics, 334th Fighter Squadron, Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C.
9. July 1995 - June 1996, student, College of Naval Command and Staff, Newport, R.I.
10. September 1996 - September 1997, Theater Battle Management Flight Commander, 607th Combat Operations Squadron, Osan Air Base, South Korea
11. September 1997 - October 1998, operations officer, F-15E Division, USAF Weapons School, Nellis AFB, Nev.
12. October 1998 - July 2000, Commander, USAF Weapons School Support Division, Nellis AFB, Nev.
13. August 2000 - June 2001, student, National War College, Washington, D.C.
14. June 2001 - August 2003, Chief, Regional Exercise Branch, Operations Directorate (J3), Headquarters U.S. Pacific Command, Camp Smith, Hawaii
15. December 2003 - May 2005, Commander, 480th Intelligence Group, Langley AFB, Va.
16. May 2005 - August 2007, senior military assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, the Pentagon, Washington, D.C.
17. August 2007 - April 2009, Commander, 505th Command and Control Wing, Hurlburt Field, Fla.
18. April 2009 – March 2011, Commander, 55th Wing, Offutt AFB, Neb.

SUMMARY OF JOINT ASSIGNMENTS
1. June 2001 - August 2003, Chief, Regional Exercise Branch, Operations Directorate (J3), Headquarters U.S. Pacific Command, Camp Smith, Hawaii, as a lieutenant colonel and colonel
2. May 2005 - August 2007, senior military assistant to the Assistant Secretary of Defense for International Security Affairs, the Pentagon, Washington, D.C., as a colonel

BADGES
Basic Intelligence Occupational Badge

FLIGHT INFORMATION
Rating: Master navigator
Flight hours: More than 2,800
Aircraft flown: F-4D/E/G, F-15E and RC-135

MAJOR AWARDS AND DECORATIONS
Defense Superior Service Medal
Legion of Merit with oak leaf cluster
Defense Meritorious Service Medal
Meritorious Service Medal with two oak leaf clusters
Air Medal
Aerial Achievement Medal with four oak leaf clusters
Air Force Commendation Medal
Combat Readiness Medal with two oak leaf clusters
National Defense Service Medal with bronze star
Southwest Asia Service Medal with bronze star
Global War on Terrorism Service Medal
Korea Defense Service Medal
Kuwait Liberation Medal (Government of Kuwait)

OTHER ACHIEVEMENTS
1985 Distinguished graduate, undergraduate navigator training
1993 Top academic graduate, F-15E Course, USAF Weapons School, Nellis AFB, Nev.
1994 Warrior of the Year, 4th Wing, Seymour Johnson AFB, N.C.
1996 Co-winner, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff essay contest
1999 Outstanding Instructor Weapons System Officer, F-15E Division, USAF Weapons School, Nellis AFB, Nev.
2000 Outstanding Academic Instructor, F-15E Division, USAF Weapons School, Nellis AFB, Nev.
2001 Commandant's Award for Excellence in Writing, National War College

EFFECTIVE DATES OF PROMOTION
Second Lieutenant Sept. 2, 1984
First Lieutenant Sept. 2, 1986
Captain Sept. 2, 1988
Major Dec. 1, 1995
Lieutenant Colonel Sept. 1, 1998
Colonel July 1, 2003
Brigadier General June 26, 2009

[pyrangello]

Thanks for the link , Ii'm listening to this right now . Hang in there David, many support you buddy. And thank you Kerry for the your support to.

[Watching from Cyprus]

Watching from Cyprus,

Hello. A question for you... When you wrote, ...'and i am so glad that i quit it, since their plan was to get me much deeper involved.', what did you mean? I've read your post and I'm not sure if I get the gist of your message as well.

One more question, please. You wrote:

"The spreads can range from 5-10% per trade and these trades usually are done Monday to Thursday (from 4 - 8 trades per week) over a contract period of typical 1 year (these days can be a longer contract of 5 years i.e.) agreements are made with the investor so the majority of the earned profits (20-40% per week or more) are going to so-called humanitarian projects (which i see now is all a lie). You will ask yourself why banks are selling their bonds/notes way below market price since you would think that they will create a loss for them or a very expensive way of borrowing, but that is not the case ..."


I take this to mean the investor makes the money off the 5%-10% trade spread. Then the majority of the earned profits (20%-40% @ week +or -) are supposed to go to "humanitarian projects" but have not? Where has the profit gone? Also, if Banks are selling their bond notes way below price and it doesn't create a loss for them, what is the case?

Thank you.

Robin

Dear Robin,

In 2000 I met the head of the European organization and was told that i had been watched (scary), I guess since 1994 when i met number 2 and we were in frequent contact until he introduced me to number 1 in 2000. Number 2 also a top guy in te financial world was partly enlightening me by answering my questions during these years when i was trying to find investors for a SFP (they dont hang on the trees as you can imagine). When i met number 1, i was really enlightened, and was invited to sign a contract with them where after we had a joint office for about 1 year. I had found an investor who was in his bank in CA to get a bank statement for us, and you might not believe this, but it is was 9/11 2001, and this investor had offices in the WTC where his son was at work, so of course the investor had to leave what he was doing and since it was not possible to fly he drove to NY. We never bothered him again and i just had enough. You can call it bad luck or whatever but i took it as a sign for me to leave that business. Also i had brought in another person into our group who i had a controversy with because of his ego which was unbearable to have around all day, so i choose to leave. Today after having been away from them for years (still talk to number 1 a couple of times a month on a friendly level and he always liked me like a son, again strange but i do like him somehow) and after knowing who the commitment holder was and the president he aided (Evil President in the 60s) I tend to understand that they are Luciferians (or maybe not knowing they work for Luciferians) and financial warriors for the Elite bankers controlling the world. I am not a Luciferian although the Prince of Light is powerful these days, and difficult to resist temptations.. i am getting there.. just have to stop smoking :-)

Profit accumulating on investors account before profit sharing is 20-40% per week of the 500 million.. yes that is the fact. A project is provided by the commitment holder which receives a large chunk of it (and the banks takes their cut too), but in general the investor/funder will gain a minimum of 200% per year for his own personal use as what he pleases, although it is highly advised that the profits goes back into or stays in the system. Obviously these project funds were used to rebuild Europe after WWII (thereby the funding of the marshal plan/fund)

You have to understand fractional reserve lending if you have to understand how the banks can earn on issuing at deep discount. Very short described, the bank issues a 10 year MTN with 5.5% fixed coupon/interest and sells it to the Investor @ lets say 82% of face value (investor passes same MTN on to Bank 2 or a Pension Fund or insurance company @ lets say 90% of face/nominal value) . The issuing Bank must pay 5.5% per year in interest on the MTN and call it at maturity ten years after @ par 100. The issuing bank takes in 500 million on the balance, issues billions off balance and takes the fees back in on balance. On new 500 million which has been deposited by the investor the issuing bank who has a cash backed standing purchase order on their balance sheet can lend out 20-100 times the 500 million at normal interest (today lets say 5% p.a.) so time that with just 20 and you have 100% which is what the profit per year on these 500 million and that is not taking their trading fees into consideration which are at least of same amount and more . ..

Where the profits for the projects really has gone since is a good question to which i have not got the answer but it looks like we are going to find out soon ;-)

God bless us all
Peter

[Kimberley]

Last Night Sean David Morton interviewed Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

Defiantly worth a listen if you are following this story!!

Much love to us all!! :luv:

*****************************************************


December 12/15/2011 Thursday - Sean David Morton brings you a Strange Universe of information and fun. Sean's Special guests were Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Strange_Universe_11.html

Note: To Listen To Archived Show Click On The Show Date Below. If You Wish To Download Any Show To Your Computer, Right Click On Show Date And Select "Save Target As" Option.

[taliesin]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

[Unified Serenity]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

Excellent post and I concur. I will go so far as to say, I wonder if DW is a mind control subject used within the community and is unaware of his programming. I've had far too many years of experience reading soul/spirit/body energy to not recognize certain signals, and my discernment shields go all wonky around DW. It's not that I hate his messages. It's more that he does not resonate as true to me, and I know some will be very put off with that, but it is how he has always affected me, and I have spent some time watching and observing his work. I do not think DW is a sheister, though I do believe some would be a little surprised if they got to be a fly on the wall when DW is not under the spotlight.

I think we are being played in much of the recent info, but I am not accusing DW or Fulford of deliberatly doing it.

[Camilo]

I would think that someone like David is very well protected from high places on and off planet. He has done so much for humanity and the planet. Blessings to him.

[Lochinvar]

Courage is having fear and going forward with honor anyway. Speaking the truth in love despite the possible negative outcome. I've done it all my life, I've been threatened on more than one occaision. Trust me, if you think you can stand for truth, speak your truth and not be on someone's list you are naive. My name is on a list. My phone has been tapped, I have been followed in America and Europe. I've had the FBI photographing me and others at meetings in the past. Do not incite violence, yell fire in a theatre and stand your ground in truth. If they come and take you away, stand your ground and if they want to kill me, so what. Death is just another doorway, and I'll continue on my path.

I am not wishing to die, I am not trying to incite violence, but I won't sit back and not deliver. Let's see when DW posts his part II update. I am not impressed thus far. Cry, moan, seek advice, stand.... it doesn't matter to me. If you feel driven to be a mouthpiece for truth, expect some hard knocks and threats.



I was once threatened by a French security type in Brussels when I went to a sustainability forum and tried to talk about peak oil and food security (an EU thing) It was pretty scary and face to face but I didn't start blubbering, I told him that I didn't care, the issue was too important and had to be discussed. I've always felt a little uncomfortable with David Wilcox's overblown ego but this collapse into jelly because of a third hand threat really takes the cake.

Anyone can file a lawsuit, I'm yet to be impressed by any of this. The threats we face as a species are physical and absolutely real. No matter what the elite may or may not do or wish to do we're facing a dieoff of 90% of us unless there's some sort of miracle. That's what happens in nature EVERY SINGLE TIME when a species goes into overshoot just as we currently are. I'll be less sceptical of all this when we see a bit more than single source drama. Wilcock, Fulford, Zagami, the galactic federation of light, the disclosure project etc etc etc all seem to be about giving hope but there's never anything concrete, it's all vague wierd stuff with virtually nothing real behind it. I don't trust any of it and I won't until we see more hard data and less breathless drama. Sorting out where your next meal is going to come from when the cash machines stop working (an absolutely real, indeed inevitable, problem) is rather more important than worrying about bagging the illuminati.

Oh so you think it's a sign of courage not to be frightened? It's the other way around: To do what you have to do even if you're terrified.

To the three of you that have made dispiseful comments on David Wilcock i would recommend reading "Move into the Magic" by Maxime Taylor. The book is about releasing your programming from childhood. I've been raised as a boy taught not to cry whatever horrors i experienced.

I've finally learned to cry a river and I have the feeling that you guys have not had the loving support you needed when you grew up, programmed with the mantra "Big boys don't cry" using most of your energy trying to control your "weakness" since you are terrified of someone going to use it against you. As Kerry says in the end of the first interview, showing your true feelings is a sign of strenght and a passionate heart not a sign of weakness.

"The meek shall inherit the earth"

Do you get all this attention because you have secrets that "they" don't want in the public domain? How would you know that your phone was tapped? Have you worked in intelligence?

[transiten]

Taliesin and Serenity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded
Not that i agree or disagree,i stand in the Here and Now of Paradoxes, but i've taken on the mission to correct anyone who continues to call David "WilcoX" instead of WilcoCK" like the gentleman in this comic radio clip:jester:

Fyi one of the David Wilcox:es out there is a composer and conductor and another one a singer/songwriter just like David WilCOCK:tongue1:

http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=david%20wilcox&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCwQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdavidwilcox.com%2F&ei=I1vrTrEkytzhBOzbraYJ&usg=AFQjCNHA-2mox06mpDI7LwinuNPBn51plg&cad=rja

[Camilo]

David, the planet is a better place because you're here. We're with you all they way.

[000]

Note, if accurately reported (as a component of the whole lawsuit to end NWO storyline....go to divinecosmos.com to follow this), by David Wilcock the amount of gold on the planet is 2 million tons of gold instead of the mere 120,000 tons of gold reported by officialdom global estimates. If so, it is not, as David and others who are emotionally attached to the 'lawsuit as nice and easy solution to NWO without violence, death, revolution, destruction, and horror' camp, worth anything like what they think. Ask anyone who buys metals. Ask any dealer.....the more gold, the cheaper it becomes. They, David Wilcock, and the rest of the 'lawsuit camp followers' are victims of their own ignorance of commodities markets, and the assumptions hardened into their point of view of universe.

Poor Clif... I think he's swallowed a few too many doom pills.

He also doesn't grasp that all of this has nothing to do with how the current system operates and therefore that logic of using current-system valuation techniques is void. I wish him well but I cannot subscribe to what he is saying at all because it is using a completely different logic system which no longer applies given the situation. It's not a wise idea to use valuation based upon a terminally corrupt system.

[Bill Ryan]

Where is this anonymous caller from?

Also, has Bill weighed in on this? I noticed he hadn't posted anything on the topic.

Suffice to say:

He was not off-planet!

And while I can understand the reasons why Kerry did what she did (I had an in-depth and high-quality conversation with her about it yesterday: she was worried about David’s physical safety and state of mind, and had very little time to consider how best to respond) – I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.

I think that was a mistake, and I told her so. But our conversation was detailed, friendly and amicable, and she wanted to know my opinions. We found ourselves agreeing on far more than I was expecting.

Essentially, she’s concerned about a number of issues -- and is considering what steps to take next.


I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

Made me laugh. (Welcome, Duncan!)

Dunc pretty much nailed it… as he usually does. :)

[000]

He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual, have you had contact with them and verified this?

Otherwise, as a remote viewer who was viewing that night, I have to call this out. I'm not trying to pick a bone of course, but at this point, for clarity's sake, do you *know* beyond any doubt?

[cellardoor]

Where is this anonymous caller from?

Also, has Bill weighed in on this? I noticed he hadn't posted anything on the topic.

Suffice to say:

He was not off-planet!

And while I can understand the reasons why Kerry did what she did (I had an in-depth and high-quality conversation with her about it yesterday: she was worried about David’s physical safety and state of mind, and had very little time to consider how best to respond) – I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.

I think that was a mistake, and I told her so. But our conversation was detailed, friendly and amicable, and she wanted to know my opinions. We found ourselves agreeing on far more than I was expecting.

Essentially, she’s concerned about a number of issues -- and is considering what steps to take next.


I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

Made me laugh. (Welcome, Duncan!)

Dunc pretty much nailed it… as he usually does. :)


I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.



Are you just talking about the fake accent? Is he just an actor or does he have any credibility?

Thank you Bill

[East Sun]

This Irishman is weird-sounding. Northern Ireland accent words--cotton wool in mouth--words used by people who imitate (incorrectly) Irish way of speaking. I grew up in Ireland and this guy is not to be trusted imo. I could be wrong of course.
I don't think David should have given the 'confidant's' phone number to that guy. That is not something you do without the permission of the person involved. Am missing something here? David should know about these things. Why did he give full trust to this stranger?
Anonymous could be a Mason (comprehend). David changed dramatically a few times from one extreme to the other in his demeanor of confidence or lack of.
But what do I know -- nothing really.

[9eagle9]

Lol. Getting kidnapped (by his wife no less) would likely mean a loss of credibility.

The sad thing is that the loss of credibility is often times generated by the fan base--the misinformed-- not the actual informant .





Well it appears we can at least lay the Fulford kidnapping story to rest ...


http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
About my “kidnapping.”

2011/12/15

For the past couple of days the internet has been filled with reports that I have been kidnapped. The reason for this is that through a misunderstanding. I missed an appointment with Chodoin Daikaku, the head of many of the world’s largest martial arts societies and an important ally. When all attempts to contact me failed, he assumed something nefarious must have happened to me. Given the various attempts on my life and other harassment directed towards me by the cabal, that was an entirely realistic assumption.

The truth, however, is that I went to a stream by the mountains in order to have a private conversation with a certain individual. These days mobile phones are GPS enabled portable listening devices while drones and other surveillance technology make having a private conversation almost impossible. For that reason, I find it necessary to go near a loud (lots of static) stream in a narrow mountain valley to make sure I can have a private conversation. However, I can assure everybody that I am just fine and was not “kidnapped.”

[Lochinvar]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx



Which Alan Watt do you mean? The one from Alex Jones show is not from England but is from Scotland. The Anon guy in the mp3 is not Irish nor is he Scottish. Neither is his accent genuine imo. Maybe he's protecting his ID but the whole fake accent thing just reduces his credibility in my book.

To add: It actually sounds like a bad version of Brigadoon.

[Calz]

I don't think David should have given the 'confidant's' phone number to that guy. That is not something you do without the permission of the person involved. Am missing something here? David should know about these things. Why did he give full trust to this stranger?


Perhaps we should offer Kerry some respect on this.

I expect David's trust was in Kerry that the gentleman was worth placing faith in.

[cellardoor]

I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

BRIGADIER GENERAL JOHN N.T. "JACK" SHANAHAN?

Am I way off base here?

[Carmody]

Where is this anonymous caller from?

Also, has Bill weighed in on this? I noticed he hadn't posted anything on the topic.

Suffice to say:

He was not off-planet!

And while I can understand the reasons why Kerry did what she did (I had an in-depth and high-quality conversation with her about it yesterday: she was worried about David’s physical safety and state of mind, and had very little time to consider how best to respond) – I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.

I think that was a mistake, and I told her so. But our conversation was detailed, friendly and amicable, and she wanted to know my opinions. We found ourselves agreeing on far more than I was expecting.

Essentially, she’s concerned about a number of issues -- and is considering what steps to take next.


I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

Made me laugh. (Welcome, Duncan!)

Dunc pretty much nailed it… as he usually does. :)

it's all good Jack.

Getting people's awareness up is all important..ie, get it out there..please.... but the spin-direction of the awareness is also critical... and one could say that this is the tip of the 'war' at this time. Thus this mess we tend to find ourselves in.

When Neptune hits the sign of Pisces in early February (Feb/3/2012), there is going to be a turbo/supercharge switch flipped on this whole issue/mess, and how it is spun out into the world.

Information, capacity to absorb it and deception in these areas are going to into another gear--entirely. For about 14 years.but..the initial punch of energy, like a turbo or supercharger..that pushes you back in your seat..will likely take place in the initial years of that 14 year span.

Control, intensity, and direction will center themselves as we go on, but the initial punch will probably seem to be quite the 'out of control' ride.

[Curt]

Dead on right about the changes in D.W.'s demeanor, and the strangeness of the 'Irishman's' accent and diction. 'Lassie?' Really? I'm surprised he didn't reach for, ' Top O' the Evenin' to Ye,"?

The whole thing seems worthy of parody to me.

[SEAM]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

Excellent post and I concur. I will go so far as to say, I wonder if DW is a mind control subject used within the community and is unaware of his programming. I've had far too many years of experience reading soul/spirit/body energy to not recognize certain signals, and my discernment shields go all wonky around DW. It's not that I hate his messages. It's more that he does not resonate as true to me, and I know some will be very put off with that, but it is how he has always affected me, and I have spent some time watching and observing his work. I do not think DW is a sheister, though I do believe some would be a little surprised if they got to be a fly on the wall when DW is not under the spotlight.

I think we are being played in much of the recent info, but I am not accusing DW or Fulford of deliberatly doing it.

Same here.. Anonymous said more than once, in so many words : "David, tell the truth, but don't embellish" It didn't sound at all like a "how-to" guide, but more of a "From now on" comment.
Also, sounded like Anonymous placed his call from dare I say , off-world.. "You'd never believe how far away I am right now".
I loved the part he said "You guys are all soft and loving, we aren't"

[Unified Serenity]

I have clearances, but did not work in the Intelligence community. I have friends who have worked in that community, and I have direct family relations as well who have worked in some pretty high security areas, and that's all I will say about that. I had a radio show in the 90's which covered some very touchy subjects and I was privy to certain "inside" information about events in Oklahoma city which the ptb did not want disclosed. There are means or were means back then to reveal when a line was tapped. They have the technology to listen in on any phone these days and use them as a nice receiver / mic. Do not ever think you are not bugged if you have a phone in the room, it can be switched on at any time, and I was warned of this by an army buddy of mine back in the 90's. You can also do bug sweeps if you have the right equipment. We used to have to sweep offices of a candidate running for the Senate.

I believe if you deal with touchy subjects, do public speaking about those things, and become the least bit popular you can expect to be watched, and the ptb will increase the amount of monitoring depending on how much info you are gaining. Once you are in a position like that, things sort of fall into your lap which you did not expect, and can put you in some precarious situations. I had one such event take place on the morning of the Oklahoma city bombing. Suffice it to say, but that building was not brought down by a truck bomb, it's laughable really to even consider that as an option.





Courage is having fear and going forward with honor anyway. Speaking the truth in love despite the possible negative outcome. I've done it all my life, I've been threatened on more than one occaision. Trust me, if you think you can stand for truth, speak your truth and not be on someone's list you are naive. My name is on a list. My phone has been tapped, I have been followed in America and Europe. I've had the FBI photographing me and others at meetings in the past. Do not incite violence, yell fire in a theatre and stand your ground in truth. If they come and take you away, stand your ground and if they want to kill me, so what. Death is just another doorway, and I'll continue on my path.

I am not wishing to die, I am not trying to incite violence, but I won't sit back and not deliver. Let's see when DW posts his part II update. I am not impressed thus far. Cry, moan, seek advice, stand.... it doesn't matter to me. If you feel driven to be a mouthpiece for truth, expect some hard knocks and threats.



I was once threatened by a French security type in Brussels when I went to a sustainability forum and tried to talk about peak oil and food security (an EU thing) It was pretty scary and face to face but I didn't start blubbering, I told him that I didn't care, the issue was too important and had to be discussed. I've always felt a little uncomfortable with David Wilcox's overblown ego but this collapse into jelly because of a third hand threat really takes the cake.

Anyone can file a lawsuit, I'm yet to be impressed by any of this. The threats we face as a species are physical and absolutely real. No matter what the elite may or may not do or wish to do we're facing a dieoff of 90% of us unless there's some sort of miracle. That's what happens in nature EVERY SINGLE TIME when a species goes into overshoot just as we currently are. I'll be less sceptical of all this when we see a bit more than single source drama. Wilcock, Fulford, Zagami, the galactic federation of light, the disclosure project etc etc etc all seem to be about giving hope but there's never anything concrete, it's all vague wierd stuff with virtually nothing real behind it. I don't trust any of it and I won't until we see more hard data and less breathless drama. Sorting out where your next meal is going to come from when the cash machines stop working (an absolutely real, indeed inevitable, problem) is rather more important than worrying about bagging the illuminati.

Oh so you think it's a sign of courage not to be frightened? It's the other way around: To do what you have to do even if you're terrified.

To the three of you that have made dispiseful comments on David Wilcock i would recommend reading "Move into the Magic" by Maxime Taylor. The book is about releasing your programming from childhood. I've been raised as a boy taught not to cry whatever horrors i experienced.

I've finally learned to cry a river and I have the feeling that you guys have not had the loving support you needed when you grew up, programmed with the mantra "Big boys don't cry" using most of your energy trying to control your "weakness" since you are terrified of someone going to use it against you. As Kerry says in the end of the first interview, showing your true feelings is a sign of strenght and a passionate heart not a sign of weakness.

"The meek shall inherit the earth"

Do you get all this attention because you have secrets that "they" don't want in the public domain? How would you know that your phone was tapped? Have you worked in intelligence?

[M6*]

Thanks Bill !
I pretty much covered all of it and I wondered what you were thinking. .....I also value Duncan's take on things. These days the whole picture seems more elusive than ever! M6*

[jaybee]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

Excellent post and I concur. I will go so far as to say, I wonder if DW is a mind control subject used within the community and is unaware of his programming. I've had far too many years of experience reading soul/spirit/body energy to not recognize certain signals, and my discernment shields go all wonky around DW. It's not that I hate his messages. It's more that he does not resonate as true to me, and I know some will be very put off with that, but it is how he has always affected me, and I have spent some time watching and observing his work. I do not think DW is a sheister, though I do believe some would be a little surprised if they got to be a fly on the wall when DW is not under the spotlight.

I think we are being played in much of the recent info, but I am not accusing DW or Fulford of deliberatly doing it.


I'm going to be careful what I say here because it wouldn't be nice.

So instead I will say

Unbelievable !!!!


And I'm not talking about David Wilcock.

[Unified Serenity]

I read you loud and clear Jaybee. Feel free to pm me if you want to challenge what I have said. I respect your right to think what you want or believe what you want. I stand by what I have said.





Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

Excellent post and I concur. I will go so far as to say, I wonder if DW is a mind control subject used within the community and is unaware of his programming. I've had far too many years of experience reading soul/spirit/body energy to not recognize certain signals, and my discernment shields go all wonky around DW. It's not that I hate his messages. It's more that he does not resonate as true to me, and I know some will be very put off with that, but it is how he has always affected me, and I have spent some time watching and observing his work. I do not think DW is a sheister, though I do believe some would be a little surprised if they got to be a fly on the wall when DW is not under the spotlight.

I think we are being played in much of the recent info, but I am not accusing DW or Fulford of deliberatly doing it.


I'm going to be careful what I say here because it wouldn't be nice.

So instead I will say

Unbelievable !!!!


And I'm not talking about David Wilcock.

[Lochinvar]

He was told by one of his insiders that is on his side. Obviously the people ordering the attack wouldn't tell him.

I get that, but why tell anyone you're planning the attack? Its all just the usual bull****, and nothing is gonna happen. I hope I'm right anyway.

I disagree. From the death threats that I have seen there is very often a warning (I think "they" believe that there are rules). I think they feel "they" have to warn you first (I'm sure Jordan Maxwell or Lindsey Williams or both have commented on this in the past) and that the warnings constitute part of an agreement that you may or may not enter into. Like "do this and we'll do that" sort of thing. Maybe others will share their experiences also.

[Earth Angel]

so where is part 2 ???? I thought Davids safety required him to get all the info out by yesterday........do have to wonder if this is all a distraction to stop us focusing on what Obama is up to these days

[STATIC]

Bill,
After 27 pages of this thread, we still have not a clue about who, what, where anonymous is.
Is there anything you can give us, besides he's not off planet?
The whole conversation was very strange.
If you can't say anything about him, can you at least say that you may have some idea of who he is?

Thanks

[9eagle9]

He's dead on. People who are well liked in the public eye are primo targets for this sort of drama. Because they can get thousands for the price of one because they know how humans self identify with peiople and situations like this. This is somehing American politics and the old Republican vs Democrat paradigm should be showing people. It's not hidden, it's right out there in the open.

This situation is really happening to David, however based on the responses given in this thread, the fallout is very far spreading. Fear, hysteria, people taking the day off work because they are so affected by it. And those who remain calm and distanced, looking at the shadows creeping about are deemed brutal and inhumane. Well Done , PTB.

This mechanism for division has been used for thousands of years. And people who claim they are so awakened walking into it over and over again.

It's perfect and people walked into yet AGAIN.

People self identify with people like David. So not only is this sort of sublte psy-ops targeting one or two people , its cording with a vast pool of others who are self identified or corded in with David. Why rattle one man's cage when you can snatch up his entire fan base and put them under brainwash mode? An it will again next month, and the whole thing will be re enacted again with some other charismatic figure with a big fan base.

This is how they get so many with hardly any effort at all. Their victims do all the work.

And its a self defensive trick. A martial artist could see what is occuring here, when one uses their opponents own weight (baggage) to toss them over.

And.... Anyone using critical thinking skills at this time are going to be 'banished' , anyone who begins to see beneath what is occuring which is this situation is going to be attacked as inhumane. You are only human if we collectively walk into the mind trap with us!

. It's a brilliant tactic, people become self policiing because their self identity is so wrapped up in the situation that any critical thinking skill employed are percieved not as a critcism of DW or the situation but a judgement on them. That is why people get so reactive over a situation that has nothing to do with them. It really doesn't. And for those who waiver, thinking 'this doesn't really involve me' they drag the tactic of 'That's YOUR GOLD. It rightfully belongs to you." to make sure you have some sort of emotional investment in the whole matter.

So what this has resulted in is a hysterial pack of sobbing people reacting over a situation that really doesn't involve them. They have done this so many times , its the ONLY way they can really do it. In seconds they are able to create an army of influenced people. People sobbing and taking the day off work because they are 'so affected' by this. That's what they want, that's what they counted on for thousands to be affected so they take this influence and really drive a cord into you. . The powers that be, still are, if they can still use this hugely old trick on open and suspectible minds. Even when you have people standing on the side lines asking, Please don't go there, they do it anyway.

So you can't even blame it on their ignorance. I keep recalling the man further up thread who was angry because he felt manipulated and was chastised for that feeling. He well right to feel manipulated. he was.

So then these are left under my critically thinking eye to answer the question they won't ....what role are YOU playing in David's situation here.

Well this article emphasizes it. You're inability to keep detached from the situation as compassion requires has made you a mind controlled drone. So much of what has exhibited here hasn't been compassion, but passion generated through self identity issues.


Sorry hysterics pointing out the obvious....but you're not David Wilcox but somehow are managing to cash on and feed on his situation anyway. Vampires. Which puts the cold brutal incompassionate people in other light doesn't it. They at least weren't feeding off of this situation at his expense, regardless of what one thinks of him personally.


I've asked several times: What is there to be afraid of , really. And no one has answered me. Because they don't know. But if there was anything to be afraid of ...this article emphasizes it.
Basically one needs to be afraid of themselves. Mind controlled people don't know it and you can't tell them. You can't telll them because they re-act and thing you are judging them even when they have nothing to do with the situation at all.

And it validates my post further up stream about the gold . Get a bunch of people thinking that's their gold when we KNOW that flooding the market with tons and tons of gold is going to make it valueless. But that's how they had to get the fence sitters in on this.

We are creating so much of this **** by RE-ACTing to it. RE-ACTING. This is why we say it's a drama.

What else can you call it when people are Re-ACTing?

Being psychic doesn't make one immune to this stuff. It doesn't invoke a cloak of immunity in many ways. Psychic is not a state of omnipotent godhood. If one doesn't learn to manage their abilities, themselves, they or someone else will guaranteed end up managing them.

As this entire matter has demonstrated, right here on this 'awakened' forum.





Someone sent me the link to this article (apparently a bit reluctant to post it themselves). Clearly that person is "brighter" than I since I am fool enough to proceed. :nerd:

Actually a rather interesting perspective so I thought I would go ahead and throw it out here. From Clif High and I understand he isn't given the highest regard here as well. His method for "surfing the web for the future" seems to have gone awry but is usually interesting to listen to (on Veritas 4 times I believe).

Small amount of "colorful" language warning to anyone sensitive to that.


____________________________


Yet more critical thinking and those damn old taoists...

with respect, let us be clear.


Words are important. Especially as a tool reaching towards critical thinking.

Thus it is with awareness that the following statement is made; critical thinking is about being self analytic with respect to our own presumed knowledge. Stated another way, critical thinking means to be aware of the tendency for 'sludge' to accumulate in our analysis of universe over time as assumptions of the moment mature into permanent bias.

Critical thinking does not mean to be critical of others. As if to reinforce that fact, those humans most possessive of critical thinking are constantly giving other humans space on everything as they (the critical thinker) realize just how screwy is their own thought process. And they are self analytic and self critical. Imagine what it is like to be neither.

Not all things are visible, nor apparent in universe, and most situations are extremely complicated, if not complex. This noted, there have been a number of questions raised about the 'lawsuit to end the NWO'.

In the instant of examination of the documents and wujo context of the lawsuit, it becomes clear that very wonky thinking is involved in this from a big picture perspective which is lost to those within the details of what appears to be a charade.

Note, if accurately reported (as a component of the whole lawsuit to end NWO storyline....go to divinecosmos.com to follow this), by David Wilcock the amount of gold on the planet is 2 million tons of gold instead of the mere 120,000 tons of gold reported by officialdom global estimates. If so, it is not, as David and others who are emotionally attached to the 'lawsuit as nice and easy solution to NWO without violence, death, revolution, destruction, and horror' camp, worth anything like what they think. Ask anyone who buys metals. Ask any dealer.....the more gold, the cheaper it becomes. They, David Wilcock, and the rest of the 'lawsuit camp followers' are victims of their own ignorance of commodities markets, and the assumptions hardened into their point of view of universe.

Please note, that the 'discovery' or revealing of an additional 1.88 million tons of gold on the planet would, in an of itself, crash the financial system to rubble. What must be understood by the lawsuit aficionado's is that the whole of terrestrial humanity's exchange system is based on scarcity. It is only the rarity of certain minerals that give them 'perceived value'. If gold is plentiful, it is not valuable.

Further, as a side note, in battling a control system (aka NWO/Illuminati/bastard zionist elites), it is unrealistic to expect the control system to set up rules (aka the 'legal system') that would either facilitate or allow for its own destruction. In other words, the NWO planetary control system that provides the red shield group with their power will not be removed from within by its own rules. The legal system exists to protect the interests of the power elite, and for no other reason.

Now it can readily be imagined that the NWO system of control systems itself could be undone from within, however all such thoughts return to extra systemic asymmetry as the actual tactic that does the job, rather than any form of 'within the system niceties' such as lawsuits.

As a note of personal confession, i admit to a certain laisse faire attitude about much of the conspiracy verbiage in the wujo. This attitude is bordering on becoming pure disinterest as mind thinks, 'oh yeah, smelt that bull**** before and it still stinks'.

However this time, things are interesting. As an old fart watching his own slow reabsorption back into matterium, and full of years of observing dark doings, it is within my experience to understand what David Wilcock is going through. You see, i have no doubt at all that David Wilcock IS indeed being threatened.

Threats perceived are threats received. Having been on the receiving side of some, i know how it feels, but more importantly, being into critical thinking, i recognize how such threats are multiple layered tactics.

To those in the nasty stare of the public eye, information will be presented by all manner of 'tipsters'. Most, in my experience, of the presented reports lead back to bogus information, though it may have come through very well meaning humans. Look at how pervasive this effect is within the msm (mainstream media = propaganda whore press) where the reporters are constantly showing up with bogus stories. Some are actually invented by the press whore-wannabe's trying to creatively write their way up the corporate ladder, but many are from well intentioned reporters who get suckered with seemingly good information.

One surety about the whole situation is that every presentation of information is intended to create a response. Whether the information comes from an honest person with no agenda who is just responding to a WTF! contact with reality, or whether the information is coming from the dark rectum connected to the digestive bowels of the secret ops world, it's presentation is intended to elicit a response.

What makes this case particularly interesting is the curious nature of the collective experience around 'the lawsuit'. The whole 'lawsuit to end the NWO meme' has been in circulation for almost 2/two years now, and we first reported on the seemingly extra systemic approach to 'solution' about a year earlier in our forecasts. But, from the perspective of those who are proffering the 'lawsuit as external savior with no violence to change the world and yet somehow the elites remain in power meme', the response has been worse than tepid. So far, an abject failure.

As a point of comparison, the power elite received much more bang for their emotional buck on the 'Wanta trillions to save the world'. Or even its lower level emotional derivative cousin, the 'iraqi dinar gonna save my personal financial butt' meme.

It is necessary to note in this context that some years ago i discovered that a conspiracy board named Godlikeproductions, or GLP, (the gulper's here at hph), is being used as a 'signalling' device. Perhaps even a triggering platform, though i am not yet certain about that just yet. However, it is certain that a relationship exists between specific forms of posts about wujo individuals on the GLP forum and events that occur in those persons lives some weeks later. The number of weeks varies with the personalities involved. In this specific case of David Wilcock, the delta on the appearance of specific forms of posts at GLP and events in his life is never less than 3/three weeks and never more than 4/four. It is my understanding that David Wilcock is aware of this relationship.

Not so curiously then, when my spyders picked up some of these specifically formed 'tell' posts at the gulpers 3+ weeks ago, i put a mental tickler into place to be looking for something new to emerge around or within David's life. This morning it emerged that a death threat was the next plot twist in this real-life drama.

Please note that i specifically DO think the death threat was very real indeed.

You see, it all makes perfect sense in a strange, wujo twisted way; the power elites employ disinfo squads to suck energy OUT of situations such as we have with the Great Rapid Unraveling Naked Cash Heist (GRUNCH homage to Bucky!) currently on going here on earth. How do they suck energy out of such situations? Well....by captivating it, and redirecting into areas that will spiral into themselves. A basic NLP/hypnosis thing that is also harmonizing with how universe works (the whole spiraling inward aspect). A basic, mass mind control tool. They, the power elite use it all the time as it is one of their best tools. Other examples are the Wanta Trillions... endlessly absorbing retelling of the external savior myth refocused onto the money system of the planet.

They use this siphon-n-spiral technique as it usually works.

That no real natural emotional pool is developing around the 'Fulford lawsuit to end the NWO' probably has annoyed those tasked with implementing this next play to divert emotional energy. So, as with all good directors, when the audience has lost interest in the plot, they bring out the special effects boys...whose first response is usually something very dramatic, escalating, and flashy.

Such as death threats. Always an attention getter...i know personally, and damn dramatic.

The psy-ops team get their bang for the buck by rudely banging down the mental doors of their chosen subject in order to do what? No, not to frighten them...that is merely the motivation toward their goal which is the production and projection of yet more emotional energy into the situation.

An analysis of David Wilcock at an objective level of the material he has participated in revealing shows a fairly core Vatta body type individual who also demonstrates the tendency of those with this body type to be empathetic, imaginative, and creative, and emotionally expressive. As a 'peak individual' of this body type, David is also, as expected, charismatic and possessive of abilities to project his emotional vibrational complex in a very focused, and effective manner. Especially to other humans also sharing Vatta body type characteristics. It is this aspect/attribute set that have propelled him up the wujo speaking circuit to his present situation. This is how his body template expresses into universe, but also note that the personality within the template possesses considerable skill and nuance in the use of the body template. All of this combined makes David Wilcock an excellent target vehicle for the psy-ops control crews.

If they can direct David via manipulating his vatta dosha in their desired direction, then they can, through him, direct his audience, which is considerable. Again, his very success at employing his template effectively here in matterium will naturally make him a target of the tools of the power elite who will certainly try to make him as they are, yet another tool.

By hook, or by crook, as we are witnessing on the wujo stage now. By the way, these psy-ops boys try this sheeit on lots of wujo fellows.

But, it is this contextual understanding of the situation that forms my position that the threats are indeed real, though it would seem unreasonable for the psy-ops boys to waste David over this lawsuit meme. The situation would not seem to warrant risking potential future use of David's position as an unwitting participant in their dramas by actually killing him now. Having learned Paranoia, the martial art from Master Igor, it would still seem advisable for David to operate in 'touchy and twitchy' mode, but examining the downside of for the psy-ops of David's premature demise suggests that it is unlikely over this level of material.

It is the mud that fills the spew that makes contact with reality difficult. While the internet has provided chaos that we may dispute the 'order' of our self declared masters/rulers, within the muddy slick that is our medium of contention, discernment at all levels is required. Note that sometimes, merely because it is required of the larger strategy, tactics of the enemy are accepted for the moment.

We see that those damn old taoists waaay back, back before history gets mystery (about 1000 alleged year current era), had a perfectly correct view of reality when they stated that 'awareness changes all'.

To be aware of our roles in universe is a very difficult and continually demanding task as these change over time and situation, yet it is perfectly true that such awareness is key to the only 'escape clause' in the system. The buddhists phrased it as 'only those who observe (the patterns ruling their destiny), can step out of them'. In this new time that we have settling upon our collective shoulders, it may be better to observe that 'awareness allows us to best direct our roles'.





copyright does not matter now. sharpen the appetite, pies are coming this spring.

December 15, 2011 by clif high


http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html

[Logan]

I'd say "Be careful what you wish for" when trying to get more information on certain individuals. Maybe we're not privy to certain information and names and such because it's not ours to have.

[000]

so where is part 2 ???? I thought Davids safety required him to get all the info out by yesterday........do have to wonder if this is all a distraction to stop us focusing on what Obama is up to these days

Latest:


UPDATE THURSDAY 5:30 PM:
We are scrambling to get Part Two finished but making good progress. David was contacted by Coast and will be appearing briefly at or around 10PM Pacific time to give a short three-minute synopsis of what happened. This SUBSTANTIALLY increases our protection and security.]^^^

It's not a distraction. Nothing is truly a distraction because it is always a self-sovereign choice being made as to what you pay attention to. No one can make that choice for you.

[jackovesk]

Where is this anonymous caller from?

Also, has Bill weighed in on this? I noticed he hadn't posted anything on the topic.

Suffice to say:

He was not off-planet!

And while I can understand the reasons why Kerry did what she did (I had an in-depth and high-quality conversation with her about it yesterday: she was worried about David’s physical safety and state of mind, and had very little time to consider how best to respond) – I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.

I think that was a mistake, and I told her so. But our conversation was detailed, friendly and amicable, and she wanted to know my opinions. We found ourselves agreeing on far more than I was expecting.

Essentially, she’s concerned about a number of issues -- and is considering what steps to take next.


I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

Made me laugh. (Welcome, Duncan!)

Dunc pretty much nailed it… as he usually does. :)

Hi Bill,



He was not off-planet!

And while I can understand the reasons why Kerry did what she did (I had an in-depth and high-quality conversation with her about it yesterday: she was worried about David’s physical safety and state of mind, and had very little time to consider how best to respond) – I personally would not have added deception and more intrigue to waters which are already extremely muddied.

I think that was a mistake, and I told her so.


No wonder the 'Truth' community are finding it increasingly harder to believe a damn thing these people have to say..?

[Carmody]

One side effect is to both push David's new book into the limelight at the same time it detracts from his apparent 'credibility', to the general public, when they go to research who he is and what he is about..

I find this alarming as the book is incredibly important.

There will be a war over his credibility, regarding the depth of information and the emplacement of that information, in the specific.


Watch for the paid dis-informationalists to push this and other issues to the forefront when and in any areas of the mainstream media that may look at David's new book.

This was the first thought in my mind when I heard of this entire issue.

The use and manipulation of those people as they become aware.

~~~~~~~~~~

The moment the opportunity came about....they struck. in a way that serves their desires.

Now, it's all about damage control for one faction and spin development for another, with David as the monkey in the middle for the world to stare at, as their focus point in the idea of things that are real or not.

See it for what it is.

Look deeper.

None of the groups in the backdrop want to expose their hand or position, or their true reasons for existing, or even their existence..period..

The moment that happens, they all loose their place at the table of the big game.

Awareness would begin, begin to come into being for the human race..... and that ends their position in the game, in it's entirety. And they seem to all want to control the spin of that particular point into existence..and some seem to want awareness to die off completely, in any way they can achieve it.

[transiten]

9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

[000]

One side effect is to both push David's new book into the limelight at the same time it detracts from his apparent 'credibility', to the general public, when they go to research who he is and what he is about..

I find this alarming as the book is incredibly important.

There will be a war over his credibility, regarding the depth of information and the emplacement of that information, in the specific.


Watch for the paid dis-informationalists to push this and other issues to the forefront when and in any areas of the mainstream media that may look at David's new book.

This was the first thought in my mind when I heard of this entire issue.

Yes, already, locally on Avalon, we already can see there is a mini-war regarding his credibility.

If people would begin to use their intuition, actively, as in practiced and not simply going via gut feelings and trigger-finger conjecture, that would be a very wise decision.

There is no more time for nitpicking and bickering here. The Charles/Atticus/Stephen episode was full of that and it's now time for people to put into practice what they learned from that.

What I highly dislike is seeing information made 'guilty by association' i.e. because someone does something that doesn't resonate, automatically all of the information that they touch becomes void even if it is true, and that is not good.

Self-sovereign choices, everyone. You are not being forced to accept or deny any of this. If someone is spoon feeding you when your hands are not tied, then it is not spoon feeding because you can block your mouth, and there does not need to be a lot of drama about that. A simple, quiet, choice.

[transiten]

One side effect is to both push David's new book into the limelight at the same time it detracts from his apparent 'credibility', to the general public, when they go to research who he is and what he is about..

I find this alarming as the book is incredibly important.

There will be a war over his credibility, regarding the depth of information and the emplacement of that information, in the specific.


Watch for the paid dis-informationalists to push this and other issues to the forefront when and in any areas of the mainstream media that may look at David's new book.

This was the first thought in my mind when I heard of this entire issue.

Spot On Carmody!

[Unified Serenity]

9eagle9!

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants"
You might not like my commenting about DW wetting his pants, but that's how it appeared as I listened to his conversation with Kerry. Have you ever been that scared? If anyone is going to say that DW did not appear that scared, then you were not listening to the same show I was listening to. The more this goes on, the more I think it's about conspiracy porn, fear porn and division and I will be thinking of not going further with this thread. I don't want to see us go down another atticus energy moment, and it seems we are being targeted to do exactly that every few weeks until this forum is ripped apart and the members are licking their collective wounds.

[Cartomancer]

With regard to the "U.k." caller: There are effects boxes that can change the sound of anyone's voice. This may explain why he sounded fishy to all of you Irishmen out there. These units are very cheap and easy to use.

[transiten]

9eagle9!

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants"
You might not like my commenting about DW wetting his pants, but that's how it appeared as I listened to his conversation with Kerry. Have you ever been that scared? If anyone is going to say that DW did not appear that scared, then you were not listening to the same show I was listening to. The more this goes on, the more I think it's about conspiracy porn, fear porn and division and I will be thinking of not going further with this thread. I don't want to see us go down another atticus energy moment, and it seems we are being targeted to do exactly that every few weeks until this forum is ripped apart and the members are licking their collective wounds.

Of course i listened to the same show, i was "wetting my pants" even crying a river and if you think someone is able to simulate this or is being brainwashed to do it you and i are not on the same planet, and i'm not talking about whether David's "got it all right" or not. This will be my last wordings on this topic:peace:

[jaybee]

I'd say "Be careful what you wish for" when trying to get more information on certain individuals. Maybe we're not privy to certain information and names and such because it's not ours to have.


well said


heaven knows who 'Anonymous' is...but after he had finished his call to the show the energy about the whole thing changed and David was a lot more relaxed and focused.


Kerry was brilliant. I have always admired her but she has gone up in my estimation after she supported David, like she did with the radio show...in his hour of need. I would love to have someone like Kerry around me if I had an hour of need.


And all this death threat business....whether it was a scare tactic or really meant...it has given the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit lots of publicity...thanks to the people who stood by David and the shows he has been speaking on.


http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

[9eagle9]

And in terms of emotional reactiveness ,how much better is blubbering hysteria and energy sucking at the expense of someone elses distress? I'ts not really your situation but you are attempting to share in it by your emotional reactiveness. How is this your situation that you are driven to such exterme vehemence to those who used snark to remain distanced from it?

Your mechanism is as self serving as those who claim he's wetting his pants. Two different beliefs, same core value. Opportunity knocked.

But you like David have an opportunity to learn from this.

You are being confronted with how you particpated in this drama which never really belonged to you in the first place.

The dangers of self indentifying with someone other than yourself. You become what you rail against.

Truly love, this is happening to David...not you.

.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

People react to manipulation in different ways. Some snark against it and some jump in the pull to particpate in it.



9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

[transiten]

And in terms of emotional reactiveness ,how much better is blubbering hysteria and energy sucking at the expense of someone elses distress? I'ts not really your situation but you are attempting to share in it by your emotional reactiveness. How is this your situation that you are driven to such exterme vehemence to those who used snark to remain distanced from it?

Your mechanism is as self serving as those who claim he's wetting his pants. Two different beliefs, same core value. Opportunity knocked.

But you like David have an opportunity to learn from this.

You are being confronted with how you particpated in this drama which never really belonged to you in the first place.

The dangers of self indentifying with someone other than yourself. You become what you rail against.

Truly love, this is happening to David...not you.

.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

People react to manipulation in different ways. Some snark against it and some jump in the pull to particpate in it.



9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

"All there's left is Laughter" Enjoy the contribution of Jeanette, spread it out all over the place! And please Calz, do your job as usual!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UuaOye9VyI :laugh::peace::grouphug:

[Cartomancer]

9eagle9!

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants"
You might not like my commenting about DW wetting his pants, but that's how it appeared as I listened to his conversation with Kerry. Have you ever been that scared? If anyone is going to say that DW did not appear that scared, then you were not listening to the same show I was listening to. The more this goes on, the more I think it's about conspiracy porn, fear porn and division and I will be thinking of not going further with this thread. I don't want to see us go down another atticus energy moment, and it seems we are being targeted to do exactly that every few weeks until this forum is ripped apart and the members are licking their collective wounds.

I agree w/ US. We need to sit back and just watch what happens here. Fulford has woven a tale rich in history and intrigue. Most of what he is saying is not a secret but a matter of historical record that anyone could have already surmised. This concerns what I have said many times: If you pick up a history book and read it you will see a thread of conspiracy snaking its way through the whole thing. The people perpetrating all of this feel like they can't lie so they feed you this homogenized version of the truth.

Because he is using actual historical facts it lends credence to what he is saying but does not mean it is absolutely true. If Fulford is lying then he has taken the time to craft a story rich in history and lore.

I think Wilcock was actually frightened to death. That did not sound like acting though I suppose its possible. We need to all chill out and see what transpires here. Also we need to remember that a relatively small percentage of the population even knows this is going on. If we are being manipulated we have to remember that we are all on the brink of WWIII and the collapse of the world economy.

Note also how easy it is to "spy" on someone these days. There are devices that let you hear via cellphone whatever anyone is saying. All's you need is their phone number. GPS trackers the size of a thumb drive for less than 100.00. It is easy for anyone to spy on you these days. Check ebay for these items. All check out youtube for organized staliking and gang stalking, community harassment. Much of this is organized by local police and sheriffs who want to punish people they can't convict for one reason or another. There has recently been a large increase in the number of those speaking out being harassed. Google what Infraguard is also. They can tell where ever you go in town with the red light cameras even without a GPS tracker. There i got all that off of my chest.

[scotusa]

I read you loud and clear Jaybee. Feel free to pm me if you want to challenge what I have said. I respect your right to think what you want or believe what you want. I stand by what I have said.





Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx

Excellent post and I concur. I will go so far as to say, I wonder if DW is a mind control subject used within the community and is unaware of his programming. I've had far too many years of experience reading soul/spirit/body energy to not recognize certain signals, and my discernment shields go all wonky around DW. It's not that I hate his messages. It's more that he does not resonate as true to me, and I know some will be very put off with that, but it is how he has always affected me, and I have spent some time watching and observing his work. I do not think DW is a sheister, though I do believe some would be a little surprised if they got to be a fly on the wall when DW is not under the spotlight.

I think we are being played in much of the recent info, but I am not accusing DW or Fulford of deliberatly doing it.


I'm going to be careful what I say here because it wouldn't be nice.

So instead I will say

Unbelievable !!!!


And I'm not talking about David Wilcock.

My 5 cents
Irish accent is faked, I agree a hint of some South African is slipped near the end. He references "lad" a northern England term, "lassie" a Scottish term and together with the Irish and his basic Anglo Saxon language would lead one to believe British origin. That would suggest City of London, Old World Order. His repeated "long way away" mentions are redundant, its a bloody phone call, unproveable!. His reprecussion tactics sound like threats, not forgiveness and his message of business over everything else sounds very familiar.
Now, turn all this around 180 degrees as they do, and it suggests he is a NWO, NY, down the road out of work Hollywood actor stooge. His repeated stating that David should "tell the truth" or else, should prevent any further release of info as who the hell knows what the real truth is?
Good info from all the follow on though.
Hope this isn't turning into Project Scamalot and Project Avinuon.

[Lisab]

Hi All,

I have just been loking around to see what else I can come up with regrading the fake irishman.

This clips contains alot of swearing to warn those of you who may be offended, if you don't like swearing please do not listen.

I found this. Now obviously this person is having a strong go at DW but notice his accent, he starts off sounding like Alan Watts i.e. very english, then goes into South African that morphs slightly into Australian, and then rounds it off with a few good Scottish rolled Rs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2dBsNuY&feature=player_embedded

Also notice the content relative to the fake irishman's insistance on telling the truth. This man is accusing DW of being a liar.

Can anyone identify who this man is - nothing is said about it on the youtube info


Le gra agus beannachtai

Tx
Hi Taliesin the guy in that clip is Bernard Poolman from Desteni Universe a South African group who claim to channel Anu and the Anunnaki and have access to the dimensions, via a young girl called Sunette known as the portal. Poolman also talks like that about Eckart Tolle and all other new age guru's. They have been called a cult by many. Im open minded on the subject of Desteni at the moment but they debunk everyone, even Zeitgiest. Check them out, but be warned there's alot to sift through. I actually wonder who it is they are actually channeling and fear for Sunette.

[Calz]

Every so often I believe it worth remembering this forum is worldwide and although it is based on speaking the English language ... for many members English is not their native tongue ...


11939

[ulli]

And in terms of emotional reactiveness ,how much better is blubbering hysteria and energy sucking at the expense of someone elses distress? I'ts not really your situation but you are attempting to share in it by your emotional reactiveness. How is this your situation that you are driven to such exterme vehemence to those who used snark to remain distanced from it?

Your mechanism is as self serving as those who claim he's wetting his pants. Two different beliefs, same core value. Opportunity knocked.

But you like David have an opportunity to learn from this.

You are being confronted with how you particpated in this drama which never really belonged to you in the first place.

The dangers of self indentifying with someone other than yourself. You become what you rail against.

Truly love, this is happening to David...not you.

.

¤=[Post Update]=¤

People react to manipulation in different ways. Some snark against it and some jump in the pull to particpate in it.



9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

I'm totally with 9eagle9 here. Not AGAINST anyone else, however. Learning situations divide those who have learnt a certain lesson from those who have yet to learn it...and given a bit more time both parties can join hands on the other side.
I just posted something potentially irreverent on the Christopher Hitchins thread...apparently he just passed away. Although I doubt that his fans would attack me for it, anyone who is a fan of Christopher Hitchins would understand.
Who knows where he got that throat cancer. Obviously smoking and years of self abusive living. But then again, anyone who wants him out of the way quickly might take that lifestyle into consideration when when orchestrating their plans.
David Wilcock's death threat is a tactic to divide the alternative community. One day he will see it as such himself.
He is a Pisces, hence very easy to attack subliminally. Not saying he doesn't need tons of loving support-he does- but as 9eagle9 said, they are after a whole bunch of caring, devoted fans here, with the aim to turn against one another.
We can then decide if we want that path. We own our reactions, we own our emotions, we OWE it to ourselves to stay grounded in our reality.

[transiten]

Every so often I believe it worth remembering this forum is worldwide and although it is based on speaking the English language ... for many members English is not their native tongue ...


11939

Thanks Calz and do you mind going back one page helping me out once more?

[9eagle9]

Yes there is nothing here that says, we 'have' to do something. We don't have to take the day off of work or have our own buttons pushed. Remain observant of what is being shown to us here, regardless of what is being told. Even the whole speculation as to who the pseudo Irishman is , is a mind trick. People are so anxious to have a label, a name slapped on him, an IDENTITY (the self identification thing) that they are entirely ignoring what he is expressing. It's like what is being said is somehow not authenticated unless some famous label is attached to it. Regardless he's showing a certain of wisdom regardless if he is authentic or not so people can't nail him down and start the sucking in process.

Being a psychic doesn't make one omnipotent and immune. He got his bottons pushed and I emphathize with that but if he wants to be a spiritual leader is going to have to learn the mechanisms they will be using because. They push his buttons, the buttons of his fan base which is considerable is pushed too. People can't seem to separate asscessment of the situation from judgement of David. They can't separate the two. The people who use these tactics know this, that's why they use them.

But he got his button's pushed and the more hysteria I see over this I'm seeing that David is not the only target here. A matter of time before the next round of fall out begins. I noticed on Facebook a group of psychics duking it out over David Wilcox simply because they happen to be psychics the same as him. Even though many have admitted that they know nothing of his work, all this conflicted is being created because someone criticized another psychic. Their self identify is so wrapped up in the whole process of beign a psychic that if one's situation is examined they feel as if their's may be too and it really has nothing to do with them. Paradoxically it now has everything to do with them.

They've chosen to unify in way that does not serve a higher interest.

[transiten]

9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

¤=[Post Update]=¤


9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

David WILCOCK if i may.....another sign of disrespect...

[Calz]

David WILCOCK if i may.....another sign of disrespect...


Lol ... in this case I expect not having English as your native tongue works in your favor.

:lol:

9eagle9 wasn't being disrespectful.

Lots and lots of people make that mistake spelling his name. Why? Who knows.

Blame it on us lazy americans. :haha:


11940

[jaybee]

"All there's left is Laughter" Enjoy the contribution of Jeanette, spread it out all over the place! And please Calz, do your job as usual!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UuaOye9VyI :laugh::peace::grouphug:


excellent transiten.....:thumb:


back in the 1980s I was involved with the Peace Movement....there a group of us were, in a tipi, outside a nuclear military base...every so often someone would start singing the Laughing Policeman. We would all join in and crack up so bad for minutes on end. Laughing against the Bomb was soooooooooo funny. In a strange way more subversive than anything else...:biggrin1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hI1nPd7hezM


we need some Laughing Yoga in this thread...


eXgdSOxaCGI


I felt that the amusement 'Anonymous' provided on the Radio Show really helped.

:bounce:

[Calz]

we need some Laughing Yoga in this thread...

Yep ... needed a little break to shift the energy. All better now :)

Carry on ...


:offtopic:

[Duncan O'Finioan]

Well,,,been reading through this long, long....uhhh, thread. Granted, I have only had bout 3 hr sleep in the past 30 or so.
I think what I am going to do, is blog a short post on this wilcocks drama show. I'll do it tonight.
Then I will delete the account here. Fourm posting is not for me.

[Selene]

Please stay, Duncan. Posting may not be your style, but your good energy and support here is invaluable.

You are one of us. Please stay.

Cheers and best regards,

Selene

[Cartomancer]

This situation calls for a really stupid and futile gesture on someone's part. We're just the guys to do it.

A motivational message to David Wilcock;

Ib43Lfdivdw

[Lisab]

Duncan threads don't usually get as hectic as this and as Selene just said we really could do with your energy around here! Please think about it. Maybe you need to sleep on it.

[christian]

Well,,,been reading through this long, long....uhhh, thread.

Gee, I didn't, the size of this thread is so out of proportion, just checked the last comments a couple of times overall...


Then I will delete the account here. Fourm posting is not for me.

I can imagine that. Thanks for popping in anways and all the best :)

[Calz]

Well,,,been reading through this long, long....uhhh, thread. Granted, I have only had bout 3 hr sleep in the past 30 or so.
I think what I am going to do, is blog a short post on this wilcocks drama show. I'll do it tonight.
Then I will delete the account here. Fourm posting is not for me.

Sorry to hear that.

We were really looking forward to be able to interact with you.

A number of people here like Wilcock to varying degrees (a number don't as this thread illustrates).

I think most all are open minded enough to carefully listen to ... discern ... and see if your take on the situation adds to our "picture".

Hope you reconsider but everyone has to call their own shots as you well know.

Looking forward to your blog (and perhaps if you do decide to leave remember you can still visit without being a member and could respond to some posts here if you so choose on your later blog posts).

:yo:

Thanx for the great information you have shared.

[gs_powered]

I'm kinda lost here...
maybe a moderator could start a poll just to see how many members DO think that not only are David's feelings true, but also, how many people believe the story behind all of this, since that is imo, a HUGE story!!!

[9eagle9]

My dear woman if I wanted to disrespect David, I can do a fair bit better in terms of snark than misspelling his last name.

You are so anxious now to go on the defense you are seeing insults where none exist. .

I'm attempting to point out here that David's fan base could be the thing that sinks him.

You're quoted post from the' here and now thread' is what I'm what I'm referring to.

You have buttons and they got pushed. This is button pushing . David I can understand his reaction, Yours I cannot . Did someone threaten your life?

The whole point in this little psy ops here is to not only push David's buttons but to disrupt the lives of those who, predictably enough, have invested their self identity in them.

Post poning your trip serves David how? Or does it serve you? If you are that affected by this situation, you risk becoming the posterchild of what the PTB hopes to achieve here. Those are hards words but I'm the observer here, not the instigator.

"something happened to someone else and I'm so identified with it because of my previous programming and wounds I must react and sink in my self identity with whom the plight is actually occuring. "<<<<That is what is occuring. You are ignoring what your intuition is telling you. And its telling you quite a lot becasue this is the button that it has been pushed. What I'm saying is...You're not helping David by doing that. You're not helping yourself when your own 'brainwash' button has been pushed it should be telling you something.

And I'm sorry that is hard but it is self serving. It's as self serving as those who seek to bounce points off of his plight with snark.

If you cannot hold your space in this matter how do you hope to hold it for the person you insist you are supporting? And that's okay, wounded people are most suspectible to this sort of thing....But if one is not careful with it they became as those who take opporunity to directly diss David ...they are both self serving mechanisms.



I quoted you from the here and now thread. This is by your own self admission. And this is what I'm observing because I've observed it so many times before. If you don't want it observed dont' put in the public eye and that goes for you and David both. It's part of the human condition they manipulate us with. And that is what I'm attempting to let you know. Not because I hate you and I'm cold and callous and brutal or because I hate David. Because it is HOW THEY CONTROL US.

Time is 00.20 in Gothenburgh Sweden. I postponed my trip until Sunday because of what happened to David. This is all connected to the biggest trauma of my life when i lost 6 years after being brainwashed by the meditationguru who was going to "help" me. After breaking out of his viscious circle i had a psychosis and then several years of agony depression combined with apathy and endless sleep.

9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

¤=[Post Update]=¤


9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

David WILCOCK if i may.....another sign of disrespect...

[Calz]

Um ... sorry ... no polls please.

But thanks for your post and :welcome: to Avalon :)

[ThePythonicCow]

Well,,,been reading through this long, long....uhhh, thread. Granted, I have only had bout 3 hr sleep in the past 30 or so.
I think what I am going to do, is blog a short post on this wilcocks drama show. I'll do it tonight.
Then I will delete the account here. Fourm posting is not for me.

We hope you stay ... wander in and out as you like ... we look forward to your post.

[marielle]

I want David to continue opening the minds and hearts of others and this whole situation has me very concerned about his ability to continue along that path. I should give a little background on myself since I'm new here. I've been a spiritual seeker since I was 13 but David Wilcock didn't appear in my reality until last year when I was actively searching for a larger, more encompassing cosmology to answer my questions. Through David website, I was lead to the Ra Material, AKA, The Law of One. I downloaded all the PDF's, converted them to Kindle format and I'm on my third reading of them now.

I know David resonates with the Ra Material which states that STS entities will attempt to discredit positively oriented individuals by feeding them false data. I think this is what is happening. Yes, the lawsuit is real but I don't feel it will go anywhere or accomplish anything of significance except to lower the credibility of those promoting it. And yes, the message is one of hope, but if the whole situation turns out to be cr*p--the lawsuit is tossed and nothing changes, how many people are going to listen to David's hopeful messages in the future?

I have a special place in my heart for David and, ocasionally, I will lower my standards and visit a site called GLP and, a couple of times, I've seen threads there which berate David and his ego and I've jumped in there to defend him. After all, if it wasn't for David and his ego, I would have never found the Ra Material. Ego serves a purpose.

On the other hand, David has made statements that cause me to physically cringe. Many of us who are familiar with the Ra Material know that we are overdue for *something* to happen. After all, the 30 year "drop dead date" was hit last January. I think David might be so anxious to effect change and to be an active part of the change that he's attracting entities and individuals that will drag him down.

As I said above, I want David to continue opening the minds and hearts of others. No matter what happens, I will be reading his site, buying his books, and, when I'm feeling brave or foolish, going to GLP and fighting for him.

[ThePythonicCow]

I'm kinda lost here...
maybe a moderator could start a poll just to see how many members DO think that not only are David's feelings true, but also, how many people believe the story behind all of this, since that is imo, a HUGE story!!!

We'll each have to figure that out for ourselves. Poll's are better at distracting folks than informing them.

[gs_powered]

Um ... sorry ... no polls please.

But thanks for your post and :welcome: to Avalon :)

Just saying... :p

I, for one, think this whole situation can go far beyond our own (avalonians) differences, but of course i know there is also a place for them in this and all other threads. I just think that the main point is being forgotten, which can also be the fault of my lack of experience in this type of communication.
Nevertheless, the more input the more we do get to know each others opinion, and that has to count for something... BIG!

[transiten]

My dear woman if I wanted to disrespect David, I can do a fair bit better in terms of snark than misspelling his last name.

You are so anxious now to go on the defense you are seeing insults where none exist. .

I'm attempting to point out here that David's fan base could be the thing that sinks him.

You're quoted post from the' here and now thread' is what I'm what I'm referring to.

You have buttons and they got pushed. This is button pushing . David I can understand his reaction, Yours I cannot . Did someone threaten your life?

The whole point in this little psy ops here is to not only push David's buttons but to disrupt the lives of those who, predictably enough, have invested their self identity in them.

Post poning your trip serves David how? Or does it serve you? If you are that affected by this situation, you risk becoming the posterchild of what the PTB hopes to achieve here. Those are hards words but I'm the observer here, not the instigator.

"something happened to someone else and I'm so identified with it because of my previous programming and wounds I must react and sink in my self identity with whom the plight is actually occuring. "<<<<That is what is occuring. You are ignoring what your intuition is telling you. And its telling you quite a lot becasue this is the button that it has been pushed. What I'm saying is...You're not helping David by doing that. You're not helping yourself when your own 'brainwash' button has been pushed it should be telling you something.

And I'm sorry that is hard but it is self serving. It's as self serving as those who seek to bounce points off of his plight with snark.

If you cannot hold your space in this matter how do you hope to hold it for the person you insist you are supporting? And that's okay, wounded people are most suspectible to this sort of thing....But if one is not careful with it they became as those who take opporunity to directly diss David ...they are both self serving mechanisms.



I quoted you from the here and now thread. This is by your own self admission. And this is what I'm observing because I've observed it so many times before. If you don't want it observed dont' put in the public eye and that goes for you and David both. It's part of the human condition they manipulate us with. And that is what I'm attempting to let you know. Not because I hate you and I'm cold and callous and brutal or because I hate David. Because it is HOW THEY CONTROL US.

Time is 00.20 in Gothenburgh Sweden. I postponed my trip until Sunday because of what happened to David. This is all connected to the biggest trauma of my life when i lost 6 years after being brainwashed by the meditationguru who was going to "help" me. After breaking out of his viscious circle i had a psychosis and then several years of agony depression combined with apathy and endless sleep.

9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

¤=[Post Update]=¤


9eagle9.....Mercury still being slow i just changed my mind......wondering who in which post has been "blubbering out hysteria" while questionning the contemptious wordings as i percieve it, language confusion or not? Perhaps you might make a compilation with the quotationmarks i still haven't mastered for me to ponder while i'm taking a vacation from Avalon to be with my family for Christmas.....

David WILCOCK if i may.....another sign of disrespect...

Well i don't appreciate you crossposted that from the Here and Now taking it out of the context. That surely was a "blow beneath the belt" and i'm not engaging in this communication anymore. I did not say "you are disrespectful" i said your comments are, but now i'm about to change my mind on that.

I agree that was an unnecessary comment but this misspelling is all over Avalon. Also i'm not going to have internet for several weeks and the postponing of my trip also had other reasons than this thread ....well i will be veeeery cautious from now on to tell anything personal on any forum but luckily these pages will also pass just like my current transits reflecting the energies at play.

Respectfully transiten

[jaybee]

My dear woman if I wanted to disrespect David, I can do a fair bit better in terms of snark than misspelling his last name.

You are so anxious now to go on the defense you are seeing insults where none exist. .

I'm attempting to point out here that David's fan base could be the thing that sinks him.


with respect...using the words 'fan base' is IMO somewhat disrespectful.

and using the word 'anxious' is below the belt as well, again IMO

that's how I perceive it anyway.

And how the people who support him could sink him is beyond me....

David...(and by association... the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit)...is under attack here and elsewhere.


http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

[Rosco1]

I reckon the fake Irishman is John Urwin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhLIX57r3WQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Remember he was trained 'Off World'!

End of the day David is/was running scared and he deserves our compassion and healing sent from above.

The same goes for Kerry, Bill & David Icke and all the other good guys n gals out there trying to get the world to 'wake up'.

As for the ones issuing the threats, they are just low life scum and cowards hiding behind their so called prestigeous jobs.
Karma will catch up with these scum and the sooner the better.

[Bill Ryan]

-------



He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual?

Yes.

[Belle]

Drama here; drama there; drama, drama everywhere.

my two cents fwiw...

I don't know of many people who were not moved by David's tears. His fear was palpable and overwhelming. I like David and Ben. imo they are good souls seeking only peace and abundance for the world. But they are also naive and easily manipulated.

Whenever something is put out there in such a dramatic way to attract attention, I wonder what they are trying to divert attention toward or away from and why. It may not be easy to set one's emotions aside, but it is necessary to do if you are serious about searching for answers. Objective observation and critical thinking eliminates the potential drama and leaves one less vunerable to being used by these pricks.

Did you ever consider that they may sometimes do these things just to amuse themselves with the way the stupid cattle react? I'm not saying that that is the case here, only that it is worth a thought or two.

It is your choice to allow them to play on your emotions or not....to be drawn into the drama or focus on what they are doing, how and why, and to what purpose.

[Bill Ryan]

-------

To Duncan:

Stick around, Buddy: your feet-on-the-ground, calling-it-just-the-way-you-see-it approach is much needed here.

[Calz]

-------



He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual?

Yes.

Fascinating.

Without any compromising remarks whatsoever can you add to that???

Many here were really picking up some "interesting vibes". Despite our concern for David it seems this gentleman became the "star of the show".

Thanx for your input.

:yo:

[9eagle9]

lol.

we could have moderation weight in on my word useage.

Moderation ?

Would it have been better if I replaced anxiety with emotional **** tard and fan base with savant's, lemmings, sheeple and brainwashed masses?

and will I be in the mod bag by insisting that someone here is a wilcox since its been newly designed as slur word and insult?

Suddenly I'm inspired as to why Duncan actually left.






My dear woman if I wanted to disrespect David, I can do a fair bit better in terms of snark than misspelling his last name.

You are so anxious now to go on the defense you are seeing insults where none exist. .

I'm attempting to point out here that David's fan base could be the thing that sinks him.


with respect...using the words 'fan base' is IMO somewhat disrespectful.

and using the word 'anxious' is below the belt as well, again IMO

that's how I perceive it anyway.

And how the people who support him could sink him is beyond me....

David...(and by association... the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit)...is under attack here and elsewhere.


http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny

[jackovesk]

For what its worth...

Here is David Wilcocks very brief interview with George Noory on Coast to Coast Am

Starts @ 2.00 minutes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Xlh_6Pt5g&feature=channel_video_title

[araucaria]

I reckon the fake Irishman is John Urwin http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhLIX57r3WQ&feature=player_embedded#!

Remember he was trained 'Off World'!

End of the day David is/was running scared and he deserves our compassion and healing sent from above.

The same goes for Kerry, Bill & David Icke and all the other good guys n gals out there trying to get the world to 'wake up'.

As for the ones issuing the threats, they are just low life scum and cowards hiding behind their so called prestigeous jobs.
Karma will catch up with these scum and the sooner the better.

John Urwin speaks with a pure Geordie accent - he has got to be from north-east England. It is apparently one of the few accents that are undetectable in this guy's voice.

Rayelan on Rumormill news recognizes the man, says he's called Shamus and that he introduced her to her former husband. I don't know if this is the man Bill is talking about, and I don't think I really need to know :)

[Duncan O'Finioan]

-------

To Duncan:

Stick around, Buddy: your feet-on-the-ground, calling-it-just-the-way-you-see-it approach is much needed here.

What I put out tonight will be done with style and very little jackwagon using. But I will be straight and honest about this whole dog and pony show.
I think you know me well enough.

[Kimberley]

Last Night Sean David Morton interviewed Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

Defiantly worth a listen if you are following this story!!

And by the way Sean is totally wrong about David posting the wrong information on the case...

Much love to us all!! :luv:

*****************************************************


December 12/15/2011 Thursday - Sean David Morton brings you a Strange Universe of information and fun. Sean's Special guests were Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Strange_Universe_11.html

Note: To Listen To Archived Show Click On The Show Date Below. If You Wish To Download Any Show To Your Computer, Right Click On Show Date And Select "Save Target As" Option.

and
Ok Here is the 3:30 minute clip of DW on Coast to Coast last night.

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

[Mystique]

I'm currently not missing a metric ton of gold from under my mattress so I'm thinking I'm not going to be expecting that any of it will be returned to me because it was never mine to begin with. Neither was I missing it either though. Neither was probably a lot of people until this revelation was made . I'm going to project a bit here but if a lot of people start thinking that gold is rightfully theirs...this is PROBABLy not, given what we've observed of human nature, to be an abatement of conflict but a circumstance for creating more if we don't pause for a moment and start untwisting our knickers over it. .

This reminds me of what John Trudell, previous leader of the AIM (American Indian Movement) said in his CD "DNA" and in many of his talks. "We ARE the liquids and minerals of the earth".

He says that it is the Being part of the Human Being that is being mined and refined to run the technologic systems of the planet. We are sources of energy; just like splitting the atom runs the nuclear energy systems with the energy released, the splitting of our psyches releases energy in terms of our fears and insecurities, and that runs another system - our Western culture.

We emerge from this planet, as this planet's liquids, metals and minerals - as well as her conscious awareness. So really, this gold that is being talked about, as well as everything in the earth, is US and therefore cannot be owned by anything.

I think "ownership" is an off planet idea that we internalize as we try to cope with off planet attempts to control us through our imaginations.

The gold, is inseparable from who We are and place We emerge from.

[13th Warrior]

-------

To Duncan:

Stick around, Buddy: your feet-on-the-ground, calling-it-just-the-way-you-see-it approach is much needed here.

There you go; let'em have both barrels Duncan!

[Jeffrey]

-------



He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual?

Yes.

Ohhh, burn! :p lol My apologies, I'm a bit hyper today. That strange chord I was talking about that was being struck during that interview... I followed it and I think I had an epiphany (yay, epiphanies!). As I had said earlier, David's work is what got me started (I think I was 15) on this whole "alternative" view of science, world affairs, etc. While I still love what he does, as I do believe he is a Warrior of the Light with good intentions, I'm rethinking this whole positive ET intervention thing. Guidance, sure. Positive messages, okay. Direct intervention ... ? I was just thinking about our beautiful planet and it's resources and it's people (us). Then, I thought about how vulnerable we would be to an alien race that was technologically advanced enough to visit us. I just can't imagine that, if they we're as spiritually advanced as they were technologically, they would meddle/intervene in our world affairs. We are so susceptible now to a "positive ET" type intervention—yay, come fix our problems for us—that it's dangerous. What would we have learned? Responsibility? Dependency? Hmmm... Still thinking about it all... Anyways, this whole fiasco has led me to turn some stones over in my mind. I definitely think there are two sides to this. I'm open to viewpoints, I just hope nobody really rips into me either way! Haha Much love to y'all. (sorry if I'm a little off topic)

[Jeffrey]

Bill, ... or Duncan, (dog and pony show aside) could you weigh-in on the actual lawsuit? What's your take on the gold and the story (/history?) behind David's article? I realize the truth is heavily salted with lies and Bill you obviously doubt the credibility of the anonymous caller. I just wanted to know what else you think about the rest of the details.

[transiten]

:focus:
For what its worth...

Here is David Wilcocks very brief interview with George Noory on Coast to Coast Am

Starts @ 2.00 minutes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Xlh_6Pt5g&feature=channel_video_title

Thanks Jack for going:focus:

[jackovesk]

Last Night Sean David Morton interviewed Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

Defiantly worth a listen if you are following this story!!

And by the way Sean is totally wrong about David posting the wrong information on the case...

Much love to us all!! :luv:

*****************************************************


December 12/15/2011 Thursday - Sean David Morton brings you a Strange Universe of information and fun. Sean's Special guests were Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Strange_Universe_11.html

Note: To Listen To Archived Show Click On The Show Date Below. If You Wish To Download Any Show To Your Computer, Right Click On Show Date And Select "Save Target As" Option.

and
Ok Here is the 3:30 minute clip of DW on Coast to Coast last night.

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

Yes, I listened to Kerry's interview with Sean David Morton about an hour ago...

If only she would have been that upfront about the 'Anonymous Irishman' in her interview with David Wilcock on her show..!

Worth a listen though...to get a better and more complete perspective of the drama...

She answered quite a few of the questions that had been raised on this Thread...

Rgs,

Jack

[Calz]

John Urwin speaks with a pure Geordie accent - he has got to be from north-east England. It is apparently one of the few accents that are undetectable in this guy's voice.

Rayelan on Rumormill news recognizes the man, says he's called Shamus and that he introduced her to her former husband. I don't know if this is the man Bill is talking about, and I don't think I really need to know :)

Hmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps others here might need to know (or at least want to).

[Unified Serenity]

Well,,,been reading through this long, long....uhhh, thread. Granted, I have only had bout 3 hr sleep in the past 30 or so.
I think what I am going to do, is blog a short post on this wilcocks drama show. I'll do it tonight.
Then I will delete the account here. Fourm posting is not for me.

I for one hope you stay. You can choose how often and what you share of course, but I am enjoying the new voices.

[Unified Serenity]

This situation calls for a really stupid and futile gesture on someone's part. We're just the guys to do it.

A motivational message to David Wilcock;

Ib43Lfdivdw


Loved it! I think my partner thinks that's me sometimes, LOL.

[araucaria]

Duncan, I would love to hear what you would have to say after a few good nights' sleep :)

Meantime, I think there are many who are very interested to hear your running commentary on the dog and poney show...

[araucaria]

John Urwin speaks with a pure Geordie accent - he has got to be from north-east England. It is apparently one of the few accents that are undetectable in this guy's voice.

Rayelan on Rumormill news recognizes the man, says he's called Shamus and that he introduced her to her former husband. I don't know if this is the man Bill is talking about, and I don't think I really need to know :)

Hmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps others here might need to know (or at least want to).

The fact that John Unwin should come into this conversation in this way for me speaks volumes about the way a worldwide forum has difficulty with things that locally are a no-brainer.

What i did not say just now was that Rayelan says that Shamus (Seamus?) is... off-planet.

[Carmody]

And over in another thread, i speak on how $60 Million US... could be used to take the pollution equivalent of 2.85 billion cars off the roads. One single application - Of a known and existing technology. The application beyond that, of a few billion dollars of this technology, could end all pollution from all coal burning plants in use today.

This, from a technology that has, oh, about 30-50 thousand examples of it in existence, at this time. all over the damn planet.

Yet this thread here...is, shall we say.....being filled with people looking at this, instead.

Do something -- stop watching the drama.

It's very depressing to watch this drama ....and then inaction --in areas where it really, really, really.... counts.

Oh yes. With about as much energy as it takes to build..maybe..two car manufacturing plants.

This could be done that simply, in ..about two years, max.

Basically..about 50-60% reduction in all complex airborne effluent from the world's major polluters. (worst case scenario)

to do the Kyoto protocol, 10x over, and more.

[13th Warrior]

http://www.anyclip.com/movies/legend/the-goblins-fight-brown-tom/


I think i know who "anonymous" is?

Brown Tomm

[WhiteFeather]

The Anonymous Irishman mates are going to pay David a visit next week...should be interesting if legit..?

Kerry was'nt wrong when she said, she was protected...

From memory, let me give those who have'nt listened to interview a very brief overview of what the Anonymous Irishman said...



David should release everything (Only if its the Truth). We will be very upset if we don't see you put All the information Out to the public.
David will be protected, if he is telling the Truth & They will Know.
Counter-Threat to the OWO/PTB - We don't talk about Torcher in just this life, we talk about Torcher in lives that go for 1,000s of generations.
Nobody will be interferred with, as long as they don't (Break the Rules) Tell the Truth & Don't Comprimise.
The Daughters of the Pheonix are to return.
2012 will be eventful.
The 505 will rid the planet of every single last member of the OWO.
There is much more Gold, than even David mentioned.
His groups tracking technology is far beyond what the OWO could even begin to imagine.
In 20 years the entire World and the Human Race will be totally transformed with Rainbows of Abundance shining upon it.
For over 1,000 his group has been planning earths transformation and they Not going to let the OWO try and stuff it up.
David will recieve a visit from the 505 next week, to see if he's Ok and if he has had any further trouble? If so, by whom?
The Anonymous Irishman and his Group ar ONLY interested in the survival of the Human Race & its Genome.
The masses of Gold will be put to good use in superior technology, not left in some vault for the OWO to glote over.
Humanity will live on for a Millions years in a world you won't even recognize.


This 'above' is not word for word, but its the best I could do from memory...

I will keep it updated if I remember anything else

Rgs

Jack

PS - Here is the Pdf file they were talking about in the interview...

http://46.183.168.57/camelot/The-Trillion-Dollar-Lawsuit-That-Could-End-Financial-Tyranny.pdf

Thanks for this review Jack

[Seikou-Kishi]

English say that and actually I do too. I'm Australian. I didn't hear the show so I can't tell you where he is from. Kinda like a Northerner compared to a souther accent in the usa. Being american you right away where they come frm. Thats the reference I can use once i hear it. British (Poms as we say here ) Are distinctively different to Irish or Scotts. Irish or Scot is what I'd be looking at by what everyone is saying here today. I do hope David doesn't take it to heart but allow it to increase his drive to continue...

This guy is not scotish, he is English, likely northern. The accent is Irish posibly aquired.

Damn, I thought he sounds positively Scottish. Not only the accent, but using 'lad' and a few other words that I've always associated with the Scottish way of talking.

The Scottish are British. It sounds like the accent is a Northern English one (and I mean very Northern... not 'north of London' Northern). Something like Novocastrian

[araucaria]

And over in another thread, i speak on how $60 Million US... could be used to take the pollution equivalent of 2.85 billion cars off the roads. One single application - Of a known and existing technology. The application beyond that, of a few billion dollars of this technology, could end all pollution from all coal burning plants in use today.

This, from a technology that has, oh, about 30-50 thousand examples of it in existence, at this time. all over the damn planet.

Yet this thread here...is, shall we say.....being filled with people looking at this, instead.

Do something -- stop watching the drama.

It's very depressing to watch this drama ....and then inaction --in areas where it really, really, really.... counts.

Thanks Carmody.

I don't feel personally that I am "watching the drama". I also agree that your thread is very important too- not only have I contributed to it but I have just added a post. Let's have some more of them.

[derek]

Bottom line, if you think it's a "dog and pony show" thats irrelevant (and your opinion). The fact is there is a great deal of compelling data in the article that he has written.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny


So my message to certain people who just want to attack david and call names (along with a whole bunch of opinion and conjecture) is why don't you debunk everything that he said in that article? And the one before that, and the one before that. Why don't you debunk everything his book says before you call his material "fraudulant" and attack him.

[RMorgan]

Bottom line, if you think it's a "dog and pony show" thats irrelevant (and your opinion). The fact is there is a great deal of compelling data in the article that he has written.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny


So my message to certain people who just want to attack david and call names (along with a whole bunch of opinion and conjecture) is why don't you debunk everything that he said in that article? And the one before that, and the one before that. Why don't you debunk everything his book says before you call his material "fraudulant" and attack him.

Hey mate,

Not that I don´t like DW´s work. I like some part of it and I´m on the fence about other parts.

However, how do you debunk something that has not any direct, hard evidence to be debunked?

Believing him is simply a matter of faith and "resonance".

You can´t debunk faith and beliefs.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Bottom line, if you think it's a "dog and pony show" thats irrelevant (and your opinion). The fact is there is a great deal of compelling data in the article that he has written.

http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny


So my message to certain people who just want to attack david and call names (along with a whole bunch of opinion and conjecture) is why don't you debunk everything that he said in that article? And the one before that, and the one before that. Why don't you debunk everything his book says before you call his material "fraudulant" and attack him.

'truth is stranger than fiction'

No one here has the full ticket...period.

viking

[Jeffrey]

John Urwin speaks with a pure Geordie accent - he has got to be from north-east England. It is apparently one of the few accents that are undetectable in this guy's voice.

Rayelan on Rumormill news recognizes the man, says he's called Shamus and that he introduced her to her former husband. I don't know if this is the man Bill is talking about, and I don't think I really need to know :)

Hmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps others here might need to know (or at least want to).

The fact that John Unwin should come into this conversation in this way for me speaks volumes about the way a worldwide forum has difficulty with things that locally are a no-brainer.

What i did not say just now was that Rayelan says that Shamus (Seamus?) is... off-planet.

Kerry said on strange universe that she knew the anonymous caller, and that his Irish accent was indeed fake. I heard some Australian phonetics underneath his faked accent. I'm wondering if the "mutual friend" that the anonymous caller and Kerry share was in fact Jack Burns? Something just ain't right here.

[araucaria]

Irish Australian... mmmm

:focus:

[000]

Do something -- stop watching the drama.

It's very depressing to watch this drama ....and then inaction --in areas where it really, really, really.... counts.




'truth is stranger than fiction'

No one here has the full ticket...period.


100% right on. And with that I add:

http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1706/whiterabbitwatchipadwal.jpg

Some of you are here to serve grounded duties. Some of you are here to serve non-grounded duties. Some of you are here to serve all kinds of different duties combined.

The white rabbit is your intuition, s/he has a perfect sense of smell tied directly to what her own instructions are. All of our instructions, all of what we agreed to here on this planet, are not the same. Do what you know you must do, no matter what it is. Be open to finding those who are working hand in hand with you and you will find each other.

No one piece of the pie can claim to be the whole pie, but all pieces of the pie are necessary to make a full pie.

Trust your white rabbit, you will know when s/he is tapping her watch for you to go. When that moment comes, and for some it already has, focus, follow yourself, and *do*.

That is all I wanted to add. All of the best to you all no matter what your chosen duties are, only you know how to fulfill them.

Peace out :hug::crazy_pilot:

[childs hood end]

davids like the rasher that ****ed with the puddin and sausage...................and got egg on his face..........shoulda kept outa de frying pan............ if he cant handle the :flame:

[taliesin]

Thanks for the info Lisab, from what yo have said I don't think it's worth tthe time going through it all, so thanks for the heads up. I am not that into Tolle either TBH.

And Lochinvar - I know to whom you are referring and I am referring to the englishman who was into psychadelics - there are several recordings of him on youtube and his teachings, he talks alot of sense.


And speaking of sense, I weighed up the time and effort it would take me to write this against silently withdrawing my attention from this thread, and on balance I think writing this is worth it.

So here goes.

I was initially drawn in to this sorry debacle because I was genuinely concerned for the saftey and well being of another human being, DW.

That said, I listened to the interview, read the article and using discernment (i.e. as apposed to judgement) I determined that, in my view, it was a storm in a teacup. It actually sounded to me like DW was peeing his pants and that he was crying like a girl, as inflammatory as that may be to some that is how it represented to me. I am not a bad or uncompassionate person, I am an unattached observer. When I am attached to something I have an emotional reaction. Simple as. I wasn't emotionally attached, in this case, but was conccerned at the level of distress I saw being played out here, so I stated what my impressions were in order to balance out the hysteria, as I saw it.

So it turns out, BF was not kidnapped. The alleged death threats to DW are a matter of interpretation, but I think have little substance. DW's crying was him processing his emotions in real time on the radio, given his following, I am sure he was at least subliminally aware of the outflowing of support he would receive, as he himself said he has had nearly 1/4 million hits to his blog since he went public. Do the math.

Prior to this, I was interested in what DW had to say, some people I know mentioned him, and I was evaluating whether he had enough substance for me to invest time energy and attention, in his work. I watched his videos. His latest book, the Source Field Investigations are in my view OPR - other people's research. He has cleverly packaged them to make them look like his lifes work, since the age of 7, as 30 years of research - so funny, what a ridiculous claim. I have not seen him come up with anything original, and I would very much appreciate it if he has come up with something original, something befitting his admitted 179IQ, that someone could tell me of this. His self pubclicity is not what I am interested in, nor are his seminars at 235US a seat. What I have seen so far, is more of the same old same old rehash, a repackaging of the wheel. I don't doubt that he has the best of intentions. He is at best on his spiritual journey and at worst a fantasist. There are other teachers who have more depth and substance than DW.

From the experience here and reading and watching him, I have decided that it is time I withdrew my attention, energy and time from this subject as it's value to me has now been established as for entertainment purposes only.

Blessings to all,

T x

[Jeffrey]

I dig me some sychronicities.. So I just thought I'd point two out regarding what I stated in post #614.



I'm only gonna say two things....for now.
What a fine dog and pony show!!!

It's all good Jack

That's just a run-of-the-mill tag. I don’t think he intentionally meant Jack Burns, but the possible ambiguity of the statement is interesting.



-------



He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual?

Yes.

Ohhh, burn!

I didn't intentionally use that turn of phase with the anonymous caller in mind. It was only after the fact that I thought about Jack Burns that I realized the possible dichotomy of my choice of words...

:blink:

[000]

-------


He was not off-planet!

Saying this is one thing, backing it up is another. Is this something that is absolutely known, as in do you know this individual?

Yes.

I missed this. Thank you for replying/confirming, Bill.

To whom it is who replied "oh burn" it is not a burn. I am not sure why you thought it might be offensive to me but I was really not looking to put Bill on the spot, I only wanted clarity as feedback. Viewers need feedback from all angles to know what for sure they are getting impressions of. When you are dealing with energies, it is not always easy to tell one thing from another and how those things are connected. On my end, this just makes it even more intricate than I felt that night and I am going to leave it at that ;)

[Eric J (Viking)]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

[Unified Serenity]

Taliesin,

Thank you for putting into words exactly how I view this matter, and DW. I have tried to express this, but you have done a superb job of it.

Serenity


Thanks for the info Lisab, from what yo have said I don't think it's worth tthe time going through it all, so thanks for the heads up. I am not that into Tolle either TBH.

And Lochinvar - I know to whom you are referring and I am referring to the englishman who was into psychadelics - there are several recordings of him on youtube and his teachings, he talks alot of sense.


And speaking of sense, I weighed up the time and effort it would take me to write this against silently withdrawing my attention from this thread, and on balance I think writing this is worth it.

So here goes.

I was initially drawn in to this sorry debacle because I was genuinely concerned for the saftey and well being of another human being, DW.

That said, I listened to the interview, read the article and using discernment (i.e. as apposed to judgement) I determined that, in my view, it was a storm in a teacup. It actually sounded to me like DW was peeing his pants and that he was crying like a girl, as inflammatory as that may be to some that is how it represented to me. I am not a bad or uncompassionate person, I am an unattached observer. When I am attached to something I have an emotional reaction. Simple as. I wasn't emotionally attached, in this case, but was conccerned at the level of distress I saw being played out here, so I stated what my impressions were in order to balance out the hysteria, as I saw it.

So it turns out, BF was not kidnapped. The alleged death threats to DW are a matter of interpretation, but I think have little substance. DW's crying was him processing his emotions in real time on the radio, given his following, I am sure he was at least subliminally aware of the outflowing of support he would receive, as he himself said he has had nearly 1/4 million hits to his blog since he went public. Do the math.

Prior to this, I was interested in what DW had to say, some people I know mentioned him, and I was evaluating whether he had enough substance for me to invest time energy and attention, in his work. I watched his videos. His latest book, the Source Field Investigations are in my view OPR - other people's research. He has cleverly packaged them to make them look like his lifes work, since the age of 7, as 30 years of research - so funny, what a ridiculous claim. I have not seen him come up with anything original, and I would very much appreciate it if he has come up with something original, something befitting his admitted 179IQ, that someone could tell me of this. His self pubclicity is not what I am interested in, nor are his seminars at 235US a seat. What I have seen so far, is more of the same old same old rehash, a repackaging of the wheel. I don't doubt that he has the best of intentions. He is at best on his spiritual journey and at worst a fantasist. There are other teachers who have more depth and substance than DW.

From the experience here and reading and watching him, I have decided that it is time I withdrew my attention, energy and time from this subject as it's value to me has now been established as for entertainment purposes only.

Blessings to all,

T x

[Ishtar]

I don't need this man to lecture me in a hectoring tone about what's true and not true after taking up at least three minutes of my time moaning about his computer freezing through eleven updates. What is he adding to what we've learned already from Benjamin and David? Just another ego trying to jump on the gravy train... but sorry, the train just left.

Who was he anyway?

And who the hell invented the webcam and made it so accessible? Now every idiot wants to pin us to their wall with their 'considered view'.

[derek]

Kerry said on Sean David Mortons radio show that

She does know anonymous

That the Irish accent was fake

That he is at a higher level than the people making the threat

That he is absolutley legitamate

That he did issue a serious warning using code words that was heard loud and clear

She also implyed that he was off world (or that he works off world)

She said that the insider that relayed that warning to David is at a VERY high level, absolutley legitamate and brilliant

[DreamsInDigital]

@ Derek,
It is my feelings and I think those of several others that he is an Off Worlder, he might have been "On Planet" at the time when he made the 'contact' but just isn't an Terran. My bet is Tau Cetian from the 5th planet. The lady at the rumor mill site said she knows him personally and that he is starship captain, and I believe the 505 is the number of his squad/faction.

[mountain_jim]

I would say that David's 'clever packaging' is a considerable value add. If he had not been living and breathing these fringe science areas for so long, he could not have condensed it all into such a well-organized and understandable format for the non-scientist person. (Source Field Investigations)

I guess saying that makes me a 'fan boy', according to some.

I say it means I read and understand (most of) the science therein, and the significance for what this means for the nature of reality and the significance of DNA to that nature and our now rapidly changing evolution.

I would also question whether that is true for those so intent on denigrating his work and character. Yes, HIS WORK.

That book did not write itself. Collaters and organizers of disparate but related research into the nature of our reality is of great value, imho.

His talks, his blogs, his dramas, that's all a side issue to me, rather than get all tied up in that I take the research pointers he provided and follow those leads.

[transiten]

"Peeing his pants" and "crying like a girl" words coming from a woman???

Strange words in these times when balancing of male/female energies is crucial for the evolvement of humankind.

Just broke my promise not to comment on this thread anymore. I'll be gone by Sunday; Mother Nature's calling......

Jeia!!!:happy: Can't believe my eyes! Talking about synchronicity:luv::love: And we posted simultaneously 23.01 GMT, 11.01 PM

And did i just mention Lucia in "The Here and Now"....have a guess...

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[9eagle9]

According to the Divine Cosmo's page that has a link for David's Fans on facebook, it does make you a fan boy.

I'm not sure why David's website can refer to his fans as fans, but its suddenly a matter of insult to refer them as such here on this forum.

[Ishtar]

because David never really confronted someone with as high of ability as his own. He is the world's best psychic man. That's true. But that type of categorization has two individuals; man and woman.

So if David is such a great psychic, how come he was so shocked to get a death threat? What sort of game did he think he was playing, I had to ask myself as I listened to him say, through his tears, that he never expected his life to be threatened.

Even I, with just a few hundred following my tiny blog, have been very aware for some time that one day, I might get a visit over the sort of stuff I'm putting out. Tallguy on Watts Up With That climate change blog had his computer put under extreme rendition yesterday by the US Justice Department for merely copying some of the Climategate II emails from another blog ... and he lives in Norfolk, in the UK. My point is, we are probably all on here being watched, in one way or another. It's not paranoia. It's just common sense that anyone who challenges the status quo, in any way, has to accept that things may cut up nasty at some point.

David's naivety over this is important ... I take the point that he made a very good job of Benjamin's material on his website, and said so when I reproduced it on my blog. But if David is such a psychic, why did he not understand this most basic truth that even non-psychics understand?

And if he is going to be that naive, I'm also going to have trouble accepting other things he said in that interview with Kerry, about the drone that was downed in Iran being hacked by ETs... because I think he would probably believe anything anyone told him... that in fact, makes him quite dangerous. I have a lot of trouble with believing in ET interference anyway ... and David's demonstration of his ignorance about how the shadowy world of espionage works and his gullibility that he could say and mix with who he likes and nothing woudl happen, has just set that back another few notches.

[Lisab]

World's best psychic...wow, that's one helluva statement to put out there. I like him, but I'm not sure about that one. No wonder Duncan's holding back. Blimey!

[Curt]

It's a fake Northern Irish accent....imho :)



English say that and actually I do too. I'm Australian. I didn't hear the show so I can't tell you where he is from. Kinda like a Northerner compared to a souther accent in the usa. Being american you right away where they come frm. Thats the reference I can use once i hear it. British (Poms as we say here ) Are distinctively different to Irish or Scotts. Irish or Scot is what I'd be looking at by what everyone is saying here today. I do hope David doesn't take it to heart but allow it to increase his drive to continue...

This guy is not scotish, he is English, likely northern. The accent is Irish posibly aquired.

Damn, I thought he sounds positively Scottish. Not only the accent, but using 'lad' and a few other words that I've always associated with the Scottish way of talking.

The Scottish are British. It sounds like the accent is a Northern English one (and I mean very Northern... not 'north of London' Northern). Something like Novocastrian

[aranuk]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

Hi Vi, who is this man? I agreed with every word he said.

Stan

[WhiteFeather]

In case anyone hasn't heard the interview of Kerry Cassidy with David Wilcock last nite, here it is. It seems Avalon removed the original thread. I'm just reposting it. I cannot find the original thread that was posted.



http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-121411.mp3

[9eagle9]

A very good point Ishstar.

Being a psychic of high level doesn't mean you are of the highest level . Or that you are endowed with that most elusive of extra sensory perceptions which is basic common sense. Or even the ability to defend yourself. So much of our new age BS cripples people from that basic right because its not nice to not turn the other cheek.

He was publicly frightened into revealing information that may have been better revealed at some later date. So he fell for it, they honked and he scrambled. It could be a means of simply ****z-n-giggles to see if put his money or information where his mouth was when push comes to shove.

Does he not know how to defend himself against a physical threat? so I'm wondering myself at this point how he defends himself on a psychic level. And if you can't defend yourself on a psychic level, then you will be sugjected to information that may not be entirely truthful and perhaps misleading. They don't target people who are unknowns they want targets that will spread the misinformation far and wide.

There is a big leap of logic here to say someone who is psychic is automatically endowed with the attributes or cunning of a warrior.

He claims to be Edgar Caycle and I really don't care if he is or not but Edgar Cayce didn't strike me as the first card I'd pull out of the warrior deck either for as much as I respect his work.. Where did he get the experience in this DW lifetime or his Edgar Caycle one to lull him into thinking he was up for the task of confronting the powers that be head on?

These are experiences a psychic learns unfortunately its been blown out in public and that to is by design as well as so. He can turn this whole thing around to serve his purpose if he doesn't go off half coced (no pun intended)

I'm sorry he's not following his own advice, and I don't think people should apologize for observing that.

[modwiz]

He's dead on. People who are well liked in the public eye are primo targets for this sort of drama. Because they can get thousands for the price of one because they know how humans self identify with peiople and situations like this. This is somehing American politics and the old Republican vs Democrat paradigm should be showing people. It's not hidden, it's right out there in the open.

This situation is really happening to David, however based on the responses given in this thread, the fallout is very far spreading. Fear, hysteria, people taking the day off work because they are so affected by it. And those who remain calm and distanced, looking at the shadows creeping about are deemed brutal and inhumane. Well Done , PTB.

This mechanism for division has been used for thousands of years. And people who claim they are so awakened walking into it over and over again.

It's perfect and people walked into yet AGAIN.

People self identify with people like David. So not only is this sort of sublte psy-ops targeting one or two people , its cording with a vast pool of others who are self identified or corded in with David. Why rattle one man's cage when you can snatch up his entire fan base and put them under brainwash mode? An it will again next month, and the whole thing will be re enacted again with some other charismatic figure with a big fan base.

This is how they get so many with hardly any effort at all. Their victims do all the work.

And its a self defensive trick. A martial artist could see what is occuring here, when one uses their opponents own weight (baggage) to toss them over.

And.... Anyone using critical thinking skills at this time are going to be 'banished' , anyone who begins to see beneath what is occuring which is this situation is going to be attacked as inhumane. You are only human if we collectively walk into the mind trap with us!

. It's a brilliant tactic, people become self policiing because their self identity is so wrapped up in the situation that any critical thinking skill employed are percieved not as a critcism of DW or the situation but a judgement on them. That is why people get so reactive over a situation that has nothing to do with them. It really doesn't. And for those who waiver, thinking 'this doesn't really involve me' they drag the tactic of 'That's YOUR GOLD. It rightfully belongs to you." to make sure you have some sort of emotional investment in the whole matter.

So what this has resulted in is a hysterial pack of sobbing people reacting over a situation that really doesn't involve them. They have done this so many times , its the ONLY way they can really do it. In seconds they are able to create an army of influenced people. People sobbing and taking the day off work because they are 'so affected' by this. That's what they want, that's what they counted on for thousands to be affected so they take this influence and really drive a cord into you. . The powers that be, still are, if they can still use this hugely old trick on open and suspectible minds. Even when you have people standing on the side lines asking, Please don't go there, they do it anyway.

So you can't even blame it on their ignorance. I keep recalling the man further up thread who was angry because he felt manipulated and was chastised for that feeling. He well right to feel manipulated. he was.

So then these are left under my critically thinking eye to answer the question they won't ....what role are YOU playing in David's situation here.

Well this article emphasizes it. You're inability to keep detached from the situation as compassion requires has made you a mind controlled drone. So much of what has exhibited here hasn't been compassion, but passion generated through self identity issues.


Sorry hysterics pointing out the obvious....but you're not David Wilcox but somehow are managing to cash on and feed on his situation anyway. Vampires. Which puts the cold brutal incompassionate people in other light doesn't it. They at least weren't feeding off of this situation at his expense, regardless of what one thinks of him personally.


I've asked several times: What is there to be afraid of , really. And no one has answered me. Because they don't know. But if there was anything to be afraid of ...this article emphasizes it.
Basically one needs to be afraid of themselves. Mind controlled people don't know it and you can't tell them. You can't telll them because they re-act and thing you are judging them even when they have nothing to do with the situation at all.

And it validates my post further up stream about the gold . Get a bunch of people thinking that's their gold when we KNOW that flooding the market with tons and tons of gold is going to make it valueless. But that's how they had to get the fence sitters in on this.

We are creating so much of this **** by RE-ACTing to it. RE-ACTING. This is why we say it's a drama.

What else can you call it when people are Re-ACTing?

Being psychic doesn't make one immune to this stuff. It doesn't invoke a cloak of immunity in many ways. Psychic is not a state of omnipotent godhood. If one doesn't learn to manage their abilities, themselves, they or someone else will guaranteed end up managing them.

As this entire matter has demonstrated, right here on this 'awakened' forum.



Great post. I remember reading about somebody not going to work because of the DW episode and it was a red flag for me. Integrity matters, and having a job is an energetic contract with someone who is expecting/counting on you to show up. I always joke with anybody I contract with that if I do not show up for work check the obituaries.

I thank you 9eagle9 for a good, clean assessment of the bigger picture and how these times call for being able to stand in ones power.

[jmj12]

Sean David Morton interveiws Ben Fulford and Kerry Cassidy 12/15/11

see thread http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36893-Benjamin-Fulford-radio-interview-12-15-11-

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks whitefeather I heard it yesterday and he gave a quick summery on coast yesterday still don't know what to make of it ?
It was obviously a threat , but I think it was another scare tactic to ruffle Davids feathers and it worked...
Although we know they can illiminate whistleblowers and researchers as there is a long list....'Of Heroes'

The information is not a surprise to any who have been following events here, but whether the wider
population as a whole and mainstream media grasp the significance is debatable imho ,although
the fear in Davids voice was obvious, he sounded a lot more calmer on coast knowing he has
the support of people in the alternate community, and we will know it would be 'murder' if anything happens to him....
Which i hope will not now he has spoken out....Steve


How did i get on this thread I'm sure i posted on Whitefeathers..LOL..

I have kept off this thread as I am tired from work and have not had the time to read the post
properly so I am not being ignorant just 'knackered' from the christmas rush back in the 'Matrix'...

[modwiz]

lol.

we could have moderation weight in on my word useage.

Moderation ?

Would it have been better if I replaced anxiety with emotional **** tard and fan base with savant's, lemmings, sheeple and brainwashed masses?

and will I be in the mod bag by insisting that someone here is a wilcox since its been newly designed as slur word and insult?

Suddenly I'm inspired as to why Duncan actually left.






My dear woman if I wanted to disrespect David, I can do a fair bit better in terms of snark than misspelling his last name.

You are so anxious now to go on the defense you are seeing insults where none exist. .

I'm attempting to point out here that David's fan base could be the thing that sinks him.


with respect...using the words 'fan base' is IMO somewhat disrespectful.

and using the word 'anxious' is below the belt as well, again IMO

that's how I perceive it anyway.

And how the people who support him could sink him is beyond me....

David...(and by association... the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit)...is under attack here and elsewhere.


http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny\

Agreed. He is a warrior.

[pilotsimone]

deleted post

[modwiz]

Last Night Sean David Morton interviewed Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

Defiantly worth a listen if you are following this story!!

And by the way Sean is totally wrong about David posting the wrong information on the case...

Much love to us all!! :luv:

*****************************************************


December 12/15/2011 Thursday - Sean David Morton brings you a Strange Universe of information and fun. Sean's Special guests were Benjamin Fulford in the first hour and Kerry Cassidy in the last segment.

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/Strange_Universe_11.html

Note: To Listen To Archived Show Click On The Show Date Below. If You Wish To Download Any Show To Your Computer, Right Click On Show Date And Select "Save Target As" Option.

and
Ok Here is the 3:30 minute clip of DW on Coast to Coast last night.

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

http://www.kjinterviews.com/Audio/DW-C2C.mp3

I picked up on that immediately Kimberly. I can see why Sean is not popular with everyone. I am looking for information not entertainment. Fulford came across well and fended off time wasting and buffoonery. Sean does not have a fan in me. Something is slippery there. Like George Noory.

[Mark]

Fulford came across well and fended off time wasting and buffoonery.

I like the way he did that. Whenever the Interviewer would waste his time and go off on a tangent or take too long Fulford wasted absolutely no time in getting back to the topic. Fulford is a man with things to do and doesn't have time for the drama it seems. He has quite enough of his own. All in all, a good contextual interview for those trying to connect the dots.

[Bill Ryan]

Kerry said on Sean David Mortons radio show that

She does know anonymous
-- True.

That the Irish accent was fake
-- True.

That he is at a higher level than the people making the threat
-- Could be.

That he is absolutely legitimate
-- Depends what you mean.

That he did issue a serious warning using code words that was heard loud and clear
-- Possible. I'm not party to any code words used, so I'm not in a position to comment.

She also implied that he was off world (or that he works off world)
-- Not true. That's where the pantomime gets a little silly.

She said that the insider that relayed that warning to David is at a VERY high level, absolutely legitimate and brilliant
-- Correct: I know this man also. He's an extraordinary person, and I believe his intentions are honorable. But in the past, he's once or twice been known to exaggerate, and some of his claimed or reported numbers, on various matters, have been shown to be incorrect. That wasn't important at the time, however, and none of that may have any bearing on the accuracy of the reported death threat. I believe it's quite possible -- for obvious reasons -- that David upset some people at a high level. Exactly how much danger David really was in is of course impossible to say. As has been much discussed here, there could be any number of games going on, at different levels (or overlapping), and with varying intentions. The sophistication of the psyops that can sometimes be deployed is significant.

[YvonneG]

Nice Stan! I agree with you. Wish man...
He says it all...

:music:

[marielle]

This is what the editor of Nexus had to say about this on another forum:


This story is based on very old news.

Any decent researcher will remember the work of David Guyatt (www.deepblacklies.co.uk) who put this into the public domain over ten years ago via Nexus Magazine. Guyatt got death threats over it, and I received regular 'demands' for Guyatt's email details for at least eight years afterwards.

Fulford seems to have regurgitated what Guyatt dug up, and Wilcock has added his own spin on it, and is now crying on Project Camelot's latest radio show over a death threat he got. Unbelievable drama queen. Martyrdom Marketing at its best I say.

Fast forward to the June 2009 story about the two Japanese caught at the Swiss-Italian border with US$134.5 BILLION in US bonds. The story disappeared after a while because nobody would 'talk'.

Meanwhile this guy Neil Keenan comes out of nowhere and claims the above bonds were entrusted to him. Maybe he is for real, maybe he is bull****ting. Time will tell. He would certainly not be the first person trying to cash in on fake bonds - and the story is surely an embarrassment to TPTB. Maybe Keenan is gambling they will just give him money to shut up and go away, while the sheeple move onto the next 'shiney' thing - ie Xmas or the NFL.

Either way, they are all regurgitating old news about the history of gold standards vs fiat monetary systems, and the deals between the east and western powers going back a century or two, and then tying it into the $134.5 BILLION bond story.

It's GLP and I will post the link if it won't cause me to get insta-banned.

Edit--I just want to say that I think David is entirely sincere in his efforts and his fear. I just think he is being expertly manipulated.

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[Cottage Rose]

9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

I agree, it is condescending. No one here owns the sole critical thinking license on this forum and it is not necessary to hold one particular opinion or the other to be utilizing critical thinking. This situation involves important witness testimony regarding a lawsuit that potentially could affect us all. It is those claiming to be thinking so critically who are adding to the drama by focusing solely on the most dramatic elements of this issue.

[modwiz]

For what its worth...

Here is David Wilcocks very brief interview with George Noory on Coast to Coast Am

Starts @ 2.00 minutes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Xlh_6Pt5g&feature=channel_video_title

If ET's are not your thing for why the drone was captured, here is a very solid report on Chinese hardware part manufacture and "backdoors".
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[000]

So if David is such a great psychic, how come he was so shocked to get a death threat? What sort of game did he think he was playing, I had to ask myself as I listened to him say, through his tears, that he never expected his life to be threatened.

Even I, with just a few hundred following my tiny blog, have been very aware for some time that one day, I might get a visit over the sort of stuff I'm putting out. Tallguy on Watts Up With That climate change blog had his computer put under extreme rendition yesterday by the US Justice Department for merely copying some of the Climategate II emails from another blog ... and he lives in Norfolk, in the UK. My point is, we are probably all on here being watched, in one way or another. It's not paranoia. It's just common sense that anyone who challenges the status quo, in any way, has to accept that things may cut up nasty at some point.

David's naivety over this is important ... I take the point that he made a very good job of Benjamin's material on his website, and said so when I reproduced it on my blog. But if David is such a psychic, why did he not understand this most basic truth that even non-psychics understand?

And if he is going to be that naive, I'm also going to have trouble accepting other things he said in that interview with Kerry, about the drone that was downed in Iran being hacked by ETs... because I think he would probably believe anything anyone told him... that in fact, makes him quite dangerous. I have a lot of trouble with believing in ET interference anyway ... and David's demonstration of his ignorance about how the shadowy world of espionage works and his gullibility that he could say and mix with who he likes and nothing woudl happen, has just set that back another few notches.

Not bone pickin' here but people need to understand that psychic is a very general term and a being's skillset will always be slightly different to the next. Some people are always aware of what probabilities are coming there way, some are only aware some of the time (when they want to look), some aren't aware of it at all.

There are so many layers to having any one psychic ability and it becomes exceptionally complex to comprehend and communicate in written language. Please don't judge something unless you know for sure what you are talking about (one way or another) and that there is a very real perceived error. I do not perceive any serious errors here. I do believe that some of this may have been rushed, but only a small percentage. As far as timing is concerned, it seems everything is right on track. I've felt something like this coming for a very long time.

I'm not David, I don't have contact with him, I don't know him personally, and only he knows his skillset best, as does any individual who practices any psi tech. So it's very important to remain non-jaded as difficult as it can be sometimes. Nobody is perfect in their actions, and even the most impeccable of those who practice psi techs will err from time to time. It is not easy to work on these levels when you are interlaced with a body of flesh.

Just because there are *some* errors does not mean the entire story is false. That is called throwing the baby out with the bath water, and it is unwise unless it can be backed up *entirely* that something is untrue.

Errors can be corrected but it is better to point that out, kindly, to the one who you think is in error, and they shall either fix it or not. If you guys want to have this article be as solid as it can be, point out what you see in error to whoever can actually look back at it and correct it or not. They don't have time to browse forums constantly.

/EDIT

With regard again to judging skillsets, here is a metaphor; I don't know any martial arts, therefore I have no knowledge to be able tell whether or not someone who does know a martial art is in error.

To take it even further; I am a musician, it is what I have practiced most thoroughly for the entirety of this life and yet I am still incapable of judging another musician because each musician's skillset varies. I can only judge myself because I know my own skillset and I know when I am in error and can do what I need to in order to remedy my errors.

[Hawkwind]

Well, I don't often chime in these days, but after investing this much time into reading through the material and comments I might as well throw my two cents in.

1- My gut level reaction to this lawsuit is that even if it were to succeed in removing the current psychopaths from power, it would only replace them with a new set of psychopaths. I'm not aware of any overall greater concern for the welfare of humanity being demonstrated by the Asian dynastic families than by their Western counterparts. Also, a favorite ploy of the elites is to pretend competition while cooperating in secret. A global financial collapse has been planned since at least 1903. This lawsuit could very well be part of that plan.

2- All other considerations aside, David has had the courage to put himself on the front lines of this on-going struggle to free humanity for quite some time. He has helped many of us on our paths to awakening and he deserves our support.

3- The Anonymous speaker was definitely either off world or Northern English, Irish, Scottish, South African, Australian, Tasmanian or not. (And who gives a hoot?)

4- Duncan, you don't say much and you may feel out of place here most of the time, but you're definitely one of the people whose comments I most appreciate. Please reconsider and stick around.

[jaybee]

Ben Fulford speaking back in August....


jsPrcW471rc


you know.....I am so proud of Ben Fulford and David Wilcock


David was my gateway into Project Camelot when I came across a 4 part interview he did ....I haven't followed him as such...but he has cropped up here and there with stuff over the last 4 - 5 years that has blown me away. My daughter is getting me his new book for Christmas....yay!

I believe he is the Shaman for the Trillion Dollar Lawsuit. And he is really doing his bit for us all. And by all I mean the whole world.


When I first watched Ben's Camelot Interview I was impressed from the start.... and I feel he is a powerful charismatic person who really cares and has been beavering away building all this up for years. He's smart and has all those contacts.


they feel like family even though I've never met them and probably never will.


:grouphug:

[lightning23]

:closed::closed:

[astrid]

It's making more sense now.
Why the energy became deflated so fast the next day.
Like us all blowing up a huge party balloon, but its not
energy that's sustainable beyond the moment,
it reaches a certain pressure. We reached that pressure...

The real thing, goes on and on and never runs out.
IMO if this was built on the highest intent, we would very
much know about it. It's very palatable.
Plus also we all SO MUCH want to see a break in the clouds.
So when we think we see it, it becomes a snowballing effect.

Plus i have always worried about the high chance of people being
used and played when they get a massive fan base.
Regardless of their intent. This is the main thing that bothers me the most
about the whole " truth movement" arena.
The more open, trusting " lightworker" types being at the greatest risk.

Beliefs are a big trap too, as your mind shuts down to other possibilities.
Then before you know it the whole thing has grown legs off its own.

Also getting sucked into the personalities rather then the information,
another trap. Again part of how they program us to filter, not to look
beyond anything.

More to say but still formulating the words.

Great to see Duncan here, i would too love see his presence here.

[aceninja]

I unequivocally believe the anon caller is who he is implied to be, period. The synchronicity was amazing.

[gooty64]

Tossing in my take, I support the content of the work that Wilcock is doing with Fulford going on 4 months now.
I wonder why there isn't more attention on here being paid to the content of the recent information put out by Wilcock and Fulford.
117 countries or 122 now....

[aceninja]

Tossing in my take, I support the content of the work that Wilcock is doing with Fulford going on 4 months now.
I wonder why there isn't more attention on here being paid to the content of the recent information put out by Wilcock and Fulford.
117 countries or 122 now....

I think that's because everything is already well documented and there isn't that much room for "speculation". It's already spelled out you know?

[DeMeeee]

In regards to David Wilcock “breaking down” statements throughout the web and here.

I’m very appreciative that I was a part of this listening as it was freshly unfolding on the net. I applaud the entire radio show - Maxine, Kerry, David, and Anon - it felt very magical to me as they all interacted. It was raw, it was vulnerable, it was supporting, it was real.

Most of us have the advantage of a handful of people, private gathering, or being alone when this happens. David was fresh with full emotion as he himself stated from a weekend of high intensity emotion as it was, before this “threat” even happened. We all have moments of high emotion. Rage is also “breaking down” though people don’t view it that way.

Very sad that so many are judging, making fun of, and comparing his actions. It seems, most who are not as in touch with their own emotions, have little compassion or tolerance for anyone who does. We are human – We are emotion.

The more Fulford and Wilcock talk, the more things make sense. They do an excellent job at informing, educating, and being on the front line trying to put the puzzles together. They don’t need to be 100% correct it’s still outstanding information.

I also appreciate that if something changes or they were wrong, that both of them openly admit it. I feel they are doing the very best that they can at all times. They both have integrity, honesty, and their genuine love for humanity shines clear every time.

We need to hold up each other and our world in pure positive energy. This ridicule just feeds the wrong fire.

One Love World…! ;)

[Cottage Rose]

It's making more sense now.
Why the energy became deflated so fast the next day.
Like us all blowing up a huge party balloon, but its not
energy that's sustainable beyond the moment,
it reaches a certain pressure. We reached that pressure...

The real thing, goes on and on and never runs out.
IMO if this was built on the highest intent, we would very
much know about it. It's very palatable.
Plus also we all SO MUCH want to see a break in the clouds.
So when we think we see it, it becomes a snowballing effect.

Plus i have always worried about the high chance of people being
used and played when they get a massive fan base.
Regardless of their intent. This is the main thing that bothers me the most
about the whole " truth movement" arena.
The more open, trusting " lightworker" types being at the greatest risk.

Beliefs are a big trap too, as your mind shuts down to other possibilities.
Then before you know it the whole thing has grown legs off its own.

Also getting sucked into the personalities rather then the information,
another trap. Again part of how they program us to filter, not to look
beyond anything.

More to say but still formulating the words.

Great to see Duncan here, i would too love see his presence here.

Personally, I would have been just as interested in an interview with anyone else involved in the Keenan/Dal Bosco case.
It has nothing to do with Wilcock's "fan base" for me and I really don't understand what all that dramatic hoopla is about. Although, I do send energy out for David's safety. My agenda is to sift though information in order to find what is true and usable to me. I found the interview to be enlightening.

I agree it is unfortunate if deception was added into the mix on a certain level. But, admittedly, I do not understand the ins and outs of media protection "devices".

[Unified Serenity]

If I have learned anything on PA, it's that the harshest critics are always the ones with the smallest balls. Regardless how any of this information turns out...DW blows 99.9% of his critics out of the water when it comes to courage.


"Peeing his pants" and "crying like a girl" words coming from a woman???

Strange words in these times when balancing of male/female energies is crucial for the evolvement of humankind.

This was a good example of someone out of integrity. Unattached and unemotional? No one talks like this unless they get triggered. :)

Put this in contrast to an energy battle. I am a light warrior. I doubt any man would claim General Patton had small balls. I take this speech for the energetic war we are entering, and I accept all those who are ready to join in, not wince at the first sign of blood. I know many won't like this speech, but try to understand we are not going to win back our world singing Kumbayah. You can thank us light warriors when it's all done, and we will go home and sing kumbayah once there is real peace:

v71W_FFW_J0

[9eagle9]

l I'm not a light warrior but considering that I've had direct physical intervention and threats, real physical-- in your house and climbing up your knickers threats--not phone calls, rumors or third party but literally being awakened in the dead of night to have a ptb hench -thing creeping in my room....I managed to deal with it without tears, without missing a meal , so I think I'll keep my own non love and light light warrior balls even if they aren't of a popular opinion mostly

......because I've found they serve me pretty well.

[aceninja]

I think it's best practice to just take a chance and at least stand for something. Playing the role of spectator/skeptic is one way of going about things I guess. If you're wrong you're wrong, big deal you know? I think it's serving the ego to protect ones "credibility" when we all know absolutely NOTHING in the greater scheme of things, if you really think about it.

I personally play both roles a bit. We all are aware of disinfo campaigns and that goes without saying, but in all honesty we all could be in a complete twilight zone (too soon for irony?) and everything we are presented could be just as important as what outfit we decided to wear today...

I believe that this is a time for finally DECIDING what you choose to adopt for yourself. Being right or wrong is missing the whole point I think. It's more about the journey. Mr Wilcock made the choice to pick a side and become a player. Whoever decided to be slightly insensitive wasn't very nice but honestly who cares? David is a grown man and could probably care less about comments like that. It just doesn't mean anything when someone threaten's your life.

I think Duncan has the right attitude towards the whole thing. It's entertaining yes, and this stuff is actually going on.

There is only so much information one can gather before having enough information to at least form a basic world view and act accordingly. This is starting to become like a bunch of people watching their own life transpire on their television/computer/phone instead of experiencing life.

No offense is meant in anyway guys/gals, sometimes we just have to vent, no?

[jackovesk]

Kerry said on strange universe that she knew the anonymous caller, and that his Irish accent was indeed fake. I heard some Australian phonetics underneath his faked accent. I'm wondering if the "mutual friend" that the anonymous caller and Kerry share was in fact Jack Burns? Something just ain't right here.

Being Australian, I'll tell you something Vivek,

If he was trying to hide an Australian Accent, he did a 'Bloody Good' job of it..!

Meaning, he aint no natural born Aussie...

Rgs,

Jack

[DreamsInDigital]

Anyone else having trouble accessing DW's blog? Seems there are couple of us that can't get on the blog part.

[apokalypse]

listen to Sean David Morton right now, he just apologises and he have found the case on pacer.gov as Wilcock claims on his divinecosmos website.

[Cottage Rose]

I think it's best practice to just take a chance and at least stand for something. Playing the role of spectator/skeptic is one way of going about things I guess. If you're wrong you're wrong, big deal you know? I think it's serving the ego to protect ones "credibility" when we all know absolutely NOTHING in the greater scheme of things, if you really think about it.

I personally play both roles a bit. We all are aware of disinfo campaigns and that goes without saying, but in all honesty we all could be in a complete twilight zone (too soon for irony?) and everything we are presented could be just as important as what outfit we decided to wear today...

I believe that this is a time for finally DECIDING what you choose to adopt for yourself. Being right or wrong is missing the whole point I think. It's more about the journey. Mr Wilcock made the choice to pick a side and become a player. Whoever decided to be slightly insensitive wasn't very nice but honestly who cares? David is a grown man and could probably care less about comments like that. It just doesn't mean anything when someone threaten's your life.

I think Duncan has the right attitude towards the whole thing. It's entertaining yes, and this stuff is actually going on.

There is only so much information one can gather before having enough information to at least form a basic world view and act accordingly. This is starting to become like a bunch of people watching their own life transpire on their television/computer/phone instead of experiencing life.

No offense is meant in anyway guys/gals, sometimes we just have to vent, no?

My response is not specifically to you, aceninja. But, this is not a game. This is not a tv drama. This is not entertainment. This is not a personality contest. This is not a soapbox for personal self agrandizement.

This discussion should be focused on information contained in the interview of a witness who has information pertinent to an actual lawsuit filed on November 23 in New York. A lawsuit that could potentially make a huge difference if the Plaintiff wins. I would ask anyone who believes this to be a frivolous topic to study the 110 page Complaint document carefully before making such a determination.

[jmj12]

This is becoming ridiculous does this district court even have the jurisdiction to hear this case ?

[Cottage Rose]

This is becoming ridiculous does this district court even have the jurisdiction to hear this case ?

Yes. It is a Federal Court. They have heard many large cases against Goldman Sachs and others.

""Carved out of the first district court ever organized under the sovereignty of the United States, The Southern District of New York was established by the Judiciary Act of 1789, primarily for the determination of maritime matters. It has grown from its early maritime roots to emerge as one of the preeminent District Courts, distinguished not only by the nature of the matters filed but also by the renowned jurists who have graced its benches and determined those matters. "

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/rulings

http://www.nysd.uscourts.gov/judges/District

[GlassSteagallfan]

Anyone else having trouble accessing DW's blog? Seems there are couple of us that can't get on the blog part.

Use Firefox browser. It says on the website that everything will look wrong using Internet Explorer.

[Cottage Rose]

This is becoming ridiculous does this district court even have the jurisdiction to hear this case ?

You will find this case in the above list of recent Rulings of Special Interest for the NYSD court

(It was tried by Judge Richard Holwell who signed the Keenan Complaint):

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) --October 14, 2011: 3:27 PM ET-- Raj Rajaratnam, former manager of the defunct hedge fund Galleon Group, was sentenced on Thursday to 11 years in federal prison -- a record for insider trading -- and fined $10 million.

Rajaratnam was found guilty on May 11 of all 14 counts of conspiracy and fraud, after netting $64 million on a long-running insider trading scam. He was sentenced at federal district court in Manhattan by Judge Richard Holwell.

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/money/2011/10/13/news/companies/insider_trading_raj_rajaratnam/raj-rajaratnam.gi.top.jpg

U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara said the 11-year sentence "is the longest sentence to be imposed for insider trading in history."

Rajaratnam will have to surrender to authorities on Nov. 28 to begin serving his sentence. In addition to his $10 million fine, he will have to hand over $53.8 million as forfeited assets and pay a $1,400 court assessment fee.

The Sri Lankan-born billionaire's sentence actually fell short of the maximum -- 235 to 293 months -- requested by prosecutors.

Rajaratnam's defense lawyer, Terence Lynam, bashed the prosecutors' requested sentence as overly lengthy and "greater than for murder." He said that, unlike Ponzi schemer Bernard Madoff, Rajaratnam didn't victimize anyone and that the ill-gotten gains went to Galleon, not to him personally.
Prosecutor Reed Brodsky argued that Rajaratnam's actions did indeed hurt people, because insider trading saps confidence in the financial markets, undermining the economy.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/10/13/news...tnam/index.htm


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0a4EU5QiICY

[DreamsInDigital]

Use Firefox browser. It says on the website that everything will look wrong using Internet Explorer.
I use Google Chrome, my computer just doesn't like Firefox, and I haven't had any trouble up until today. And, couple of my friends have had trouble today also.

[jmj12]

Thank you Cottage Rose that makes things clear,now how will the accused to be convicted when they are of sovereign state therefore ambassadorial status ?

[Jeffrey]

Kerry said on strange universe that she knew the anonymous caller, and that his Irish accent was indeed fake. I heard some Australian phonetics underneath his faked accent. I'm wondering if the "mutual friend" that the anonymous caller and Kerry share was in fact Jack Burns? Something just ain't right here.

Being Australian, I'll tell you something Vivek,

If he was trying to hide an Australian Accent, he did a 'Bloody Good' job of it..!

Meaning, he aint no natural born Aussie...

Rgs,

Jack

Hmmm... interdasting... I don't know who this guy is or what to believe, this whole damn thing is just distracting ... and quite frankly (Jack ;)), frustrating.

The top dozen or so whistle blowers, alternative media outlets/researchers, or whoever the hell knows something that they think humanity should know, should just lay it all out on the table. Here, I'll even set a date... how about December 25th, nothin' going on that day, right? You guys just get together and corroborate everything you've held back that the world hasn't been privy to, and drop the info-bomb on us. Bam, game over. Come out guns blazin', lay it on us.

:thumb:

[Cottage Rose]

Thank you Cottage Rose that makes things clear,now how will the accused to be convicted when they are of sovereign state therefore ambassadorial status ?

I cannot answer that question, jmj12. It would be a matter for Keenan's legal representatives.

[Calz]

Tossing in my take, I support the content of the work that Wilcock is doing with Fulford going on 4 months now.
I wonder why there isn't more attention on here being paid to the content of the recent information put out by Wilcock and Fulford.
117 countries or 122 now....

This is actually a great point.

How much of this thread (or the other related threads) go into the material in the *lawsuit* (that is in public domain)?

Anyone here read through any of it???

Anyone??

As some have astutely pointed out there are many here getting caught up in the drama. To be fair feeling the "rush" of excitement when doing so is more entertaining than legal documents ...

However ... what about the 800 pound gorilla in the room???


11957

[TraineeHuman]

Maybe it does sound naïve to suppose that the lawsuit has any chance of succeeding. However, if you talk to a solicitor they will tell you that what transpires in almost every legal case is unpredictable. So there’s some chance it may work, or may cause gigantic and permanent embarrassment.

Secondly, my feeling is that what’s more important here is what use we all make of this opportunity. Everything that happens, or fails to happen, in this trial is material we should document and record – and be “dramatic” about -- and use as evidence of the workings of the PTW. The PTW may well slip up if something comes up during the trial that they didn’t expect. We can use the power of our intention to make all this into a big public issue. Hopefully we can find a way to make sure all the public knows about it, and doesn’t forget. We, and all the 120-plus nations. Even if the case ends up not being a big deal at all, we can make it into a big deal by continuing to treat it as such. Use the power of judo, and your divine imagination. So much of what goes on is smoke and mirrors anyway.

After all, I understand that over 50% of Americans now believe that 9/11 was a put-up job.

This brings me to the press and journalists. Normally the press is free to report everything that gets said in a legal trial. Surely there are journalists or TV journalists willing to report it in detail, even if many of them do so tongue-in-cheek.

[Fellow Aspirant]

There was a lot going on during this interview - intellectually, emotionally, spiritually. I was quite fascinated by the messages and the personalities as they interwove their consciousnesses. Veracity of the information aside (I am certainly in no position to judge, taking a "wait and see" position as usual) I would like to comment on the effect that David's breakdown had on me. I felt it was absolutely genuine, and my heart went out to him as it would to anyone in crisis. The man was awash in fear and dread. I have experienced similar states, when I was absolutely blindsided by someone. Upon recovery, I vowed that I would NEVER judge the wit or character of another human being who had come unglued. Whether David should have seen it coming and steeled himself for the eventuality is moot: he had been rocked to his core, and except for his warrior instinct to fight back by doing the interview, I have no doubt that he would have either assumed a fetal postion under a bed or fled insanely at the wheel of a car that he was in no condition to drive. Two extenuating considerations for his reaction (probably touched on somewhere in this thread already, but here goes) are that David could have been the victim of a mind/spirit assault by a "hit man" who was able to take advantage of a vulnerable state that his target was in, plus David's well known sensitivity to such energies. I can tell that he has a very finely "tuned" and efficient antenna, one that would take a lightning bolt of psychic energy to ground with devastating effect. I was relieved, somewhat, that he seemed able to re-integrate somewhat by the end of the hour.
Also, I must commend Kerry for her compassion and support of David. She seemed less focussed on getting information from "Anonymous" (much to the frustration of some listeners) than on bringing David in off the ledge. Her focussed, persistent comforting of her friend made me feel better too. I can only hope that if I ever find myself in such a harrowing position as David's that I have someone like her at my back.

[Jenci]

because David never really confronted someone with as high of ability as his own. He is the world's best psychic man. That's true. But that type of categorization has two individuals; man and woman.

So if David is such a great psychic, how come he was so shocked to get a death threat? What sort of game did he think he was playing, I had to ask myself as I listened to him say, through his tears, that he never expected his life to be threatened.

Even I, with just a few hundred following my tiny blog, have been very aware for some time that one day, I might get a visit over the sort of stuff I'm putting out. Tallguy on Watts Up With That climate change blog had his computer put under extreme rendition yesterday by the US Justice Department for merely copying some of the Climategate II emails from another blog ... and he lives in Norfolk, in the UK. My point is, we are probably all on here being watched, in one way or another. It's not paranoia. It's just common sense that anyone who challenges the status quo, in any way, has to accept that things may cut up nasty at some point.

David's naivety over this is important ... I take the point that he made a very good job of Benjamin's material on his website, and said so when I reproduced it on my blog. But if David is such a psychic, why did he not understand this most basic truth that even non-psychics understand?

And if he is going to be that naive, I'm also going to have trouble accepting other things he said in that interview with Kerry, about the drone that was downed in Iran being hacked by ETs... because I think he would probably believe anything anyone told him... that in fact, makes him quite dangerous. I have a lot of trouble with believing in ET interference anyway ... and David's demonstration of his ignorance about how the shadowy world of espionage works and his gullibility that he could say and mix with who he likes and nothing woudl happen, has just set that back another few notches.

Excellent point, Ishtar. To me that was the strangest comment of all when he said he had never expect this to happen to him.

This whole episode seems to be nicely distracting a whole load of people away from WHAT?
Jeanette

[transiten]

It seems like the fear of showing one's feelings and vulnerability and the fear of admitting having made a mistake is a bigger threat to humanity than the fear of the NWOcabal and maybe contributes to the fact that there is a cabal in the first place.

Jeanette, you've got a point there, that really puzzled me more than anything else...

[Jenci]

Also, a favorite ploy of the elites is to pretend competition while cooperating in secret. A global financial collapse has been planned since at least 1903. This lawsuit could very well be part of that plan.
Well I have little understanding of economics but even I can see that flooding the market with all this gold could cause a financial global collapse.
It would be perfect for a New World Order.




Jeanette

[Calz]

Also, a favorite ploy of the elites is to pretend competition while cooperating in secret. A global financial collapse has been planned since at least 1903. This lawsuit could very well be part of that plan.
Well I have little understanding of economics but even I can see that flooding the market with all this gold could cause a financial global collapse.
It would be perfect for a New World Order.

Jeanette


The long scripted "controlled demolition" of the illusionary global financial system is well on track.

Don't think this lawsuit is part of that script.

Using the withdrawal of fiat currency (draining of liquidity from the system) "they" have more control over the speed and area(s) of most impact.

Flooding the world with gold that nearly no one realized was available would certainly throw everyone into shock. Harder to manage the results hence the "slowly boiled frog" approach.

As always ... IMHO

[transiten]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

Hi Vi, who is this man? I agreed with every word he said.

Stan


:yo: He's talking like a Wo-man! No, he's talking like a wellintegrated individuated Hu-Man!

[jackovesk]

Also, a favorite ploy of the elites is to pretend competition while cooperating in secret. A global financial collapse has been planned since at least 1903. This lawsuit could very well be part of that plan.
Well I have little understanding of economics but even I can see that flooding the market with all this gold could cause a financial global collapse.
It would be perfect for a New World Order.

Jeanette


The long scripted "controlled demolition" of the illusionary global financial system is well on track.

Don't think this lawsuit is part of that script.

Using the withdrawal of fiat currency (draining of liquidity from the system) "they" have more control over the speed and area(s) of most impact.

Flooding the world with gold that nearly no one realized was available would certainly throw everyone into shock. Harder to manage the results hence the "slowly boiled frog" approach.

As always ... IMHO

Calz, your still here on this Thread...

Here's a reward for a Fantastic Marathon Effort my friend...

:first:

[Calz]

Calz, your still here on this Thread...

Here's a reward for a Fantastic Marathon Effort my friend...

:first:


Lol

Actually not quite as noble as it would seem (but I appreciate the "award" :humble: )

Mandatory overtime and a slow night at work ...

[Ultima Thule]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

In regards to David. When this guy in the video finally gets around to what his point is, it was pretty much what I was thinking last night. That is: we are conditioned from childhood to judge and prefer certain emotions over others - in this case perhaps being conditioned to be annoyed that David has a meltdown of sorts in the fearful side of emotions. Would we have been more okay with it, if he would have been bursting with anger, claiming to fight to the bitter end? Perhaps. Our world is biased to seeing fear as unworthy and perhaps unfortunately love too. Anger seems to be more okay. I must admit, that perhaps I would´ve been more conditioned to find "heroism" to believe in, if David would´ve gone out with his guns blazing emotionally - nothing to do with David, just me. Earlier I thought that I would break if I cried, but when facing events that I could´t do anything else but cry, I found out that it didn´t break me, perhaps even made me just a bit stronger. This video is a good reminder that all the feelings just are, they are not good nor bad - they very well may be insanely intensive though.

In regards to the whole situation and the reality of it. I have been reading this thread and I can relate to David and Ben with no trouble at all, I can find their view of the "plot" being believable to some degree - only trouble being I don´t know which part and how much of it exactly. I also can relate very well to for example Duncans views of the matter - I´ve seldom been more touched and impressed than when viewing his interviews. I can find definite truth and facts there - again unfortunately not knowing exactly which part and exactly how much.

When trying to discern this stuff, I´m not sure of anything, but I strangely find myself thinking about these three wise men, and their visions of the truth that they (2 out of 3) preach passionately about. This is in no way meant to put down or ridicule DW, BF or Duncan, this is just to picture the difficulty and even ridiculous situation at least I and perhaps others too find ourselves in, while trying to discern these issues - wondering which of the "prophets" to believe in ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIRb8TigJ28

In regards to this thread, I find this a good read, slowly painting a picture of the whole, in a way an artist sketching with many lines does, of which some are not quite aligned or are even completely wrong and if looked in detail make no sense, but together all the lines begin to form a realistic and living image of the model. Again I am at a loss as to what point are we in regards of the drawing, are we drawing the first lines or the last ones? That is okay, though.

UT
ps. I just can´t figure out whether this guy accidentally has 4:44 on his wall clock or did he wait until that time to start recording - in fact every time I think I know something, a moment later I no longer know I know it, so I guess in the end, I don´t know s*** ;)

[161803398]

That accent sounded like a mixture of a lot of different accents...I could hear Ulster for few seconds, Scotland for a few seconds and some nasal twang which is very unIrish and either American, Canadian or Australian.

[transiten]

UltimaThule! Now the synchronicities are running wild with me! I just posted Life of Brian in the Duncan vs Hoagland thread after WhiteSirius post, went to the Michael Jackson thread and there Sirius was again mentioning Egypt and i hear on Swedish radio mentioning of Cleopatra! I feel connected....

[Calz]

There was an update on Duncan's Blog earlier tonight but not related to DW.

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Perhaps when we have more information behind the "dog & poney show" opinion another piece to the puzzle will be provided???

Looking forward to that.

[Ultima Thule]

UltimaThule! Now the synchronicities are running wild with me! I just posted Life of Brian in the Duncan vs Hoagland thread after WhiteSirius post, went to the Michael jackson thread and there Sirius was again mentionning Egypt and i hear on Swedish radio mentioning of Cleopatra! I feel connected....

Funniest thing!!! While posting I was wondering that one could probably synthesize a whole religion and a "mystery school" of teachings from the Monty Python material ;) Hmmm, I guess I know what to do on my spare time from now on... Nobody will know what to expect!!!! :p

Sorry... :focus:

[Calz]

UltimaThule! Now the synchronicities are running wild with me! I just posted Life of Brian in the Duncan vs Hoagland thread after WhiteSirius post, went to the Michael jackson thread and there Sirius was again mentionning Egypt and i hear on Swedish radio mentioning of Cleopatra! I feel connected....

Funniest thing!!! While posting I was wondering that one could probably synthesize a whole religion and a "mystery school" of teachings from the Monty Python material ;) Hmmm, I guess I know what to do on my spare time from now on... Nobody will know what to expect!!!! :p

Lol ... NO one expected the Spanish Inquisition!!! :haha:

[transiten]

When I discovered project Camelot in 2007 the "witnesses" that made the biggest impact on me were David Wilcock, Benjamin Fulford and Finioan O'Duncan........which doesn't mean i knew what "to believe" i was questionning a lot of course, it takes time to reach at some understanding of what's going on....

Oooops! Miss Spelling that's me :o Duncan O'Finioan that is....

[161803398]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--ML2...layer_embedded this accent is weird. It starts off with an English accent and ends up with a an Irish accent at the very end. Dublin?

[joedjemal]

Tossing in my take, I support the content of the work that Wilcock is doing with Fulford going on 4 months now.
I wonder why there isn't more attention on here being paid to the content of the recent information put out by Wilcock and Fulford.
117 countries or 122 now....

This is actually a great point.

How much of this thread (or the other related threads) go into the material in the *lawsuit* (that is in public domain)?

Anyone here read through any of it???

Anyone??

As some have astutely pointed out there are many here getting caught up in the drama. To be fair feeling the "rush" of excitement when doing so is more entertaining than legal documents ...

However ... what about the 800 pound gorilla in the room???


11957

I did, all of it. Most of it is repetitions of the same story aimed at different defendants.

A comment about the current economy (Chris Martensens crash course on youtube is good background) collapse was baked into the cake the moment interest started to be used. Growth is required to pay it off, no growth = collapse and if you look at a chart of global growth over the last century you'll see exponential growth with a little wiggle where it flatlines in 2008 because we hit peak oil. Since then they've been holding it together with gaffer tape and baling twine. All the gold in the world won't stop that collapse because the real problem is energy and other vital resources and all the rest of it including gold is just the symbols used to enable distribution of those resources so "prosperity funds" wouldn't mean a thing without ending exponential growth. (Say we had free energy, if growth continued the surface of the world would be at the boiling point of water within a couple of hundred years) the only way growth could continue (for a while) would be if we moved into space. Now if there's no growth then the elite can't extract their cut which is why they're contemplating killing most of us off and starting the process again, presumably with new technologies. All this stuff about vast hoards of gold, even if true (and I haven't stated it isn't i just think it unlikely) doesn't address the core issue of how we move into the future.

Anyone who meditates on a regular basis learns to control their mind and emotions, it doesn't mean you don't have emotions but it does allow you a choice of when and how to express them. That's why I perceived David Wilcock's incredibly public breakdown as manipulation. He claims to be a spiritual master so either it was deliberate or he doesn't posess the skills he claims to have. Either possibility suggests deception to me and that is what offended me. In any case, I have no wish to prolong the dog and pony show so i really will leave it there for now.

[transiten]

Uncontrolled growth is the equivalent of Cancer and as the Cree saying goes:

"When the last tree has been cut down, the last river has been polluted and the last fish has been caught you will realize you cannot eat all that gold.....

[smiller113]

Tossing in my take, I support the content of the work that Wilcock is doing with Fulford going on 4 months now.
I wonder why there isn't more attention on here being paid to the content of the recent information put out by Wilcock and Fulford.
117 countries or 122 now....

This is actually a great point.

How much of this thread (or the other related threads) go into the material in the *lawsuit* (that is in public domain)?

Anyone here read through any of it???

Anyone??

As some have astutely pointed out there are many here getting caught up in the drama. To be fair feeling the "rush" of excitement when doing so is more entertaining than legal documents ...

However ... what about the 800 pound gorilla in the room???


11957

I did, all of it. Most of it is repetitions of the same story aimed at different defendants.

A comment about the current economy (Chris Martensens crash course on youtube is good background) collapse was baked into the cake the moment interest started to be used. Growth is required to pay it off, no growth = collapse and if you look at a chart of global growth over the last century you'll see exponential growth with a little wiggle where it flatlines in 2008 because we hit peak oil. Since then they've been holding it together with gaffer tape and baling twine. All the gold in the world won't stop that collapse because the real problem is energy and other vital resources and all the rest of it including gold is just the symbols used to enable distribution of those resources so "prosperity funds" wouldn't mean a thing without ending exponential growth. (Say we had free energy, if growth continued the surface of the world would be at the boiling point of water within a couple of hundred years) the only way growth could continue (for a while) would be if we moved into space. Now if there's no growth then the elite can't extract their cut which is why they're contemplating killing most of us off and starting the process again, presumably with new technologies. All this stuff about vast hoards of gold, even if true (and I haven't stated it isn't i just think it unlikely) doesn't address the core issue of how we move into the future.

Anyone who meditates on a regular basis learns to control their mind and emotions, it doesn't mean you don't have emotions but it does allow you a choice of when and how to express them. That's why I perceived David Wilcock's incredibly public breakdown as manipulation. He claims to be a spiritual master so either it was deliberate or he doesn't posess the skills he claims to have. Either possibility suggests deception to me and that is what offended me. In any case, I have no wish to prolong the dog and pony show so i really will leave it there for now.

Agreed! I bought his book and really enjoyed the info. However, with his interviews, book, website, etc, he had placed himself into the role of a leader. I was looking to him as a source of credible information as well as a guide. Now all that's gone. He broke down in a very weak and pathetic way. What!!?? I'm supposed to follow this guy now? Whistleblowers and informants are going to trust someone who easily breaks? I'm going to believe any further information? Won't even have the desire to read it because I will feel it's all bogus! Too bad and very, very sad.

[Ishtar]

This is what the editor of Nexus had to say about this on another forum:


This story is based on very old news.

Any decent researcher will remember the work of David Guyatt (www.deepblacklies.co.uk) who put this into the public domain over ten years ago via Nexus Magazine. Guyatt got death threats over it, and I received regular 'demands' for Guyatt's email details for at least eight years afterwards.

Fulford seems to have regurgitated what Guyatt dug up, and Wilcock has added his own spin on it, and is now crying on Project Camelot's latest radio show over a death threat he got. Unbelievable drama queen. Martyrdom Marketing at its best I say.

Fast forward to the June 2009 story about the two Japanese caught at the Swiss-Italian border with US$134.5 BILLION in US bonds. The story disappeared after a while because nobody would 'talk'.

Meanwhile this guy Neil Keenan comes out of nowhere and claims the above bonds were entrusted to him. Maybe he is for real, maybe he is bull****ting. Time will tell. He would certainly not be the first person trying to cash in on fake bonds - and the story is surely an embarrassment to TPTB. Maybe Keenan is gambling they will just give him money to shut up and go away, while the sheeple move onto the next 'shiney' thing - ie Xmas or the NFL.

Either way, they are all regurgitating old news about the history of gold standards vs fiat monetary systems, and the deals between the east and western powers going back a century or two, and then tying it into the $134.5 BILLION bond story.
It's GLP and I will post the link if it won't cause me to get insta-banned.

The Editor of Nexus sounds a bit jealous that a story which has been known about for ages is being run with by other people now ... aka Ben and David ... and that Ben and David are getting better results publicity-wise. I'm not criticising him/her...it's a natural human reaction and I've experienced it myself when something I've been banging on about for years suddenly hits the zeitgiest through the efforts of someone else, and they get all the credit for it.

However, I think his jealousy is clouding his judgement because he's missing the point.. and that is, the reason more people are interested now (and not so much then) is because of changed circumstances. All the money in the world appears to have run out, the banks are broke, the IMF is going round the world with a begging bowl, and so we're all suddenly questioning things we took for granted before and asking questions like

What is money?
What is its value based on?
Where has all the money gone?
And how do we get it back?

[161803398]

It could be just me but I have never believed anything that either David Wilcock or Benjamin Fulford said although I think they are both sincere guys. (I remember David Wilcock saying years ago not to worry about GM food because it was all going to fix itself somehow). I thought, at the time, he was kind of a feel good guy and someone may have hired him to keep people calm. Now, I think he is just a pure soul who hasn't had a lot of experience. However, I really don't follow David Wilcock so he might have some good ideas I am unfamiliar with. I also see that Fulford is quite an innocent person. I don't think either of them have any street smarts and they both could be easily fooled.

I am very suspicious of the entertainment aspect of the story unfolding and the fact that a similar story may have been tried last year in England. It appeals to our imaginations like a story for children before they go to sleep. I think that the Germans were listening to such stories in Nazi Germany as well, I suppose to give them something positive and interesting to contemplate while the world was going to hell.

But having said that, the lawsuit is interesting and its also real...so there ya go. I'd like to know more about the lawyers that filed the claim because that would tell a lot. Its believable to me that there are completely altruistic people in the world not only because I know such people but because they must be there to balance out the evil ones. But I am also wary of fairy tales in the context of current world events because when things are in such a horrible state; its especially easy to believe in nice lies...particulalry when it comes to money. I have a certain amount of experience with wealthy stock manipulators so I know how easily people are fooled to believe what they want to hear.

[Ishtar]

Thought I'd post this interesting and enlightening perspective from Half Past Human (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html)


... Not all things are visible, nor apparent in universe, and most situations are extremely complicated, if not complex. This noted, there have been a number of questions raised about the 'lawsuit to end the NWO'.

In the instant of examination of the documents and wujo context of the lawsuit, it becomes clear that very wonky thinking is involved in this from a big picture perspective which is lost to those within the details of what appears to be a charade.

Note, if accurately reported (as a component of the whole lawsuit to end NWO storyline....go to divinecosmos.com to follow this), by David Wilcock the amount of gold on the planet is 2 million tons of gold instead of the mere 120,000 tons of gold reported by officialdom global estimates. If so, it is not, as David and others who are emotionally attached to the 'lawsuit as nice and easy solution to NWO without violence, death, revolution, destruction, and horror' camp, worth anything like what they think. Ask anyone who buys metals. Ask any dealer.....the more gold, the cheaper it becomes. They, David Wilcock, and the rest of the 'lawsuit camp followers' are victims of their own ignorance of commodities markets, and the assumptions hardened into their point of view of universe.

Please note, that the 'discovery' or revealing of an additional 1.88 million tons of gold on the planet would, in an of itself, crash the financial system to rubble. What must be understood by the lawsuit aficionados is that the whole of terrestrial humanity's exchange system is based on scarcity. It is only the rarity of certain minerals that give them 'perceived value'. If gold is plentiful, it is not valuable.

Further, as a side note, in battling a control system (aka NWO/Illuminati/bastard zionist elites), it is unrealistic to expect the control system to set up rules (aka the 'legal system') that would either facilitate or allow for its own destruction. In other words, the NWO planetary control system that provides the red shield group with their power will not be removed from within by its own rules. The legal system exists to protect the interests of the power elite, and for no other reason.

Now it can readily be imagined that the NWO system of control systems itself could be undone from within, however all such thoughts return to extra systemic asymmetry as the actual tactic that does the job, rather than any form of 'within the system niceties' such as lawsuits.

As a note of personal confession, i admit to a certain laisse faire attitude about much of the conspiracy verbiage in the wujo. This attitude is bordering on becoming pure disinterest as mind thinks, 'oh yeah, smelt that bull**** before and it still stinks'.

However this time, things are interesting. As an old fart watching his own slow reabsorption back into matterium, and full of years of observing dark doings, it is within my experience to understand what David Wilcock is going through. You see, i have no doubt at all that David Wilcock IS indeed being threatened.

Threats perceived are threats received. Having been on the receiving side of some, i know how it feels, but more importantly, being into critical thinking, i recognize how such threats are multiple layered tactics.

To those in the nasty stare of the public eye, information will be presented by all manner of 'tipsters'. Most, in my experience, of the presented reports lead back to bogus information, though it may have come through very well meaning humans. Look at how pervasive this effect is within the msm (mainstream media = propaganda whore press) where the reporters are constantly showing up with bogus stories. Some are actually invented by the press whore-wannabe's trying to creatively write their way up the corporate ladder, but many are from well intentioned reporters who get suckered with seemingly good information.

One surety about the whole situation is that every presentation of information is intended to create a response. Whether the information comes from an honest person with no agenda who is just responding to a WTF! contact with reality, or whether the information is coming from the dark rectum connected to the digestive bowels of the secret ops world, it's presentation is intended to elicit a response.

What makes this case particularly interesting is the curious nature of the collective experience around 'the lawsuit'. The whole 'lawsuit to end the NWO meme' has been in circulation for almost 2/two years now, and we first reported on the seemingly extra systemic approach to 'solution' about a year earlier in our forecasts. But, from the perspective of those who are proffering the 'lawsuit as external savior with no violence to change the world and yet somehow the elites remain in power meme', the response has been worse than tepid. So far, an abject failure.

As a point of comparison, the power elite received much more bang for their emotional buck on the 'Wanta trillions to save the world'. Or even its lower level emotional derivative cousin, the 'iraqi dinar gonna save my personal financial butt' meme.

It is necessary to note in this context that some years ago i discovered that a conspiracy board named Godlikeproductions, or GLP, (the gulper's here at hph), is being used as a 'signalling' device. Perhaps even a triggering platform, though i am not yet certain about that just yet. However, it is certain that a relationship exists between specific forms of posts about wujo individuals on the GLP forum and events that occur in those persons lives some weeks later. The number of weeks varies with the personalities involved. In this specific case of David Wilcock, the delta on the appearance of specific forms of posts at GLP and events in his life is never less than 3/three weeks and never more than 4/four. It is my understanding that David Wilcock is aware of this relationship.

Not so curiously then, when my spyders picked up some of these specifically formed 'tell' posts at the gulpers 3+ weeks ago, i put a mental tickler into place to be looking for something new to emerge around or within David's life. This morning it emerged that a death threat was the next plot twist in this real-life drama.

Please note that i specifically DO think the death threat was very real indeed.

You see, it all makes perfect sense in a strange, wujo twisted way; the power elites employ disinfo squads to suck energy OUT of situations such as we have with the Great Rapid Unraveling Naked Cash Heist (GRUNCH homage to Bucky!) currently on going here on earth. How do they suck energy out of such situations? Well....by captivating it, and redirecting into areas that will spiral into themselves. A basic NLP/hypnosis thing that is also harmonizing with how universe works (the whole spiraling inward aspect). A basic, mass mind control tool. They, the power elite use it all the time as it is one of their best tools. Other examples are the Wanta Trillions... endlessly absorbing retelling of the external savior myth refocused onto the money system of the planet.

They use this siphon-n-spiral technique as it usually works.

That no real natural emotional pool is developing around the 'Fulford lawsuit to end the NWO' probably has annoyed those tasked with implementing this next play to divert emotional energy. So, as with all good directors, when the audience has lost interest in the plot, they bring out the special effects boys...whose first response is usually something very dramatic, escalating, and flashy.

Such as death threats. Always an attention getter...i know personally, and damn dramatic.

The psy-ops team get their bang for the buck by rudely banging down the mental doors of their chosen subject in order to do what? No, not to frighten them...that is merely the motivation toward their goal which is the production and projection of yet more emotional energy into the situation.

An analysis of David Wilcock at an objective level of the material he has participated in revealing shows a fairly core Vatta body type individual who also demonstrates the tendency of those with this body type to be empathetic, imaginative, and creative, and emotionally expressive. As a 'peak individual' of this body type, David is also, as expected, charismatic and possessive of abilities to project his emotional vibrational complex in a very focused, and effective manner. Especially to other humans also sharing Vatta body type characteristics. It is this aspect/attribute set that have propelled him up the wujo speaking circuit to his present situation. This is how his body template expresses into universe, but also note that the personality within the template possesses considerable skill and nuance in the use of the body template. All of this combined makes David Wilcock an excellent target vehicle for the psy-ops control crews.

If they can direct David via manipulating his vatta dosha in their desired direction, then they can, through him, direct his audience, which is considerable. Again, his very success at employing his template effectively here in matterium will naturally make him a target of the tools of the power elite who will certainly try to make him as they are, yet another tool.

By hook, or by crook, as we are witnessing on the wujo stage now. By the way, these psy-ops boys try this sheeit on lots of wujo fellows.

But, it is this contextual understanding of the situation that forms my position that the threats are indeed real, though it would seem unreasonable for the psy-ops boys to waste David over this lawsuit meme. The situation would not seem to warrant risking potential future use of David's position as an unwitting participant in their dramas by actually killing him now. Having learned Paranoia, the martial art from Master Igor, it would still seem advisable for David to operate in 'touchy and twitchy' mode, but examining the downside of for the psy-ops of David's premature demise suggests that it is unlikely over this level of material.

It is the mud that fills the spew that makes contact with reality difficult. While the internet has provided chaos that we may dispute the 'order' of our self declared masters/rulers, within the muddy slick that is our medium of contention, discernment at all levels is required. Note that sometimes, merely because it is required of the larger strategy, tactics of the enemy are accepted for the moment.

We see that those damn old taoists waaay back, back before history gets mystery (about 1000 alleged year current era), had a perfectly correct view of reality when they stated that 'awareness changes all'.

To be aware of our roles in universe is a very difficult and continually demanding task as these change over time and situation, yet it is perfectly true that such awareness is key to the only 'escape clause' in the system. The buddhists phrased it as 'only those who observe (the patterns ruling their destiny), can step out of them'. In this new time that we have settling upon our collective shoulders, it may be better to observe that 'awareness allows us to best direct our roles'.





copyright does not matter now. sharpen the appetite, pies are coming this spring.

December 15, 2011 by clif high

[Eric J (Viking)]

Well this story seems too be doing the rounds on the net... it big ... lots of vids floating around and comments about the 'Irish fellow' ... ect ect ....

Why doesn't Kerry or Bill interview this chap...it would appear that he has information that we could all benefit from in one way or another ... the interview would be BIG !

viking

[feardia]

The Irish accent is 100% phony...
4LJw6PAi5Q8

[Calz]

Thought I'd post this interesting perspective from Half Past Human (http://www.halfpasthuman.com/yetmorecritical.html)




Already posted several pages back ...

Long thread. Easy to do :)

[Ishtar]

Whoops! :o Sorry, Calz. Is there a falling on one's sword smilie? :o

[jaybee]

Here is the PDF of David's article. Please spread and download copies.

I had to post it here first due to the fact that the Camelot servers (especially Camelot Forum) is under attack.

Download mirror link:
http://46.183.168.57/camelot/The-Trillion-Dollar-Lawsuit-That-Could-End-Financial-Tyranny.pdf

http://46.183.168.57/camelot/The-Trillion-Dollar-Lawsuit-That-Could-End-Financial-Tyranny.pdf

Thanks!



someone said earlier that they had a problem getting onto David's blog last night.

I did as well....something kept coming up about a script slowing it down...and it was freezing. It was hard to even close the page. Which I eventually managed to do after a while. I hadn't had this problem before last night.

I thought aye aye shenanigans...so I went to seeingterra's post on page 5 and downloaded/saved the pdf file...just in case.


:thumb:


.

[Calz]

Whoops! :o Sorry, Calz. Is there a falling on one's sword smilie? :o

No but I have to admit I like your taste :haha:

[Ishtar]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

[Calz]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

[Ishtar]

Thanks, Calz.

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons the random thoughts cap...

So Fulford wasn't kidnapped and Wilcock receives a second hand threat...18 pages later...

DW for me has always come across like a wide eyed kid on his first visit to a lolly shop. Light Warrior maybe. Sans shield definitely. I feel for the guy in that it appears that the bright dancing shiny thing he's been playing with for a while now turns out to be fire and he's just experienced the pain of a third degree burn. So assumng there where adults around to warn him, how did this happen or has he, like so many, simply chosen to ignore good advice.

How far will a rumour of loads more gold being available go in assisting any pending financial collapse. The aforementioned collapse would surely be the best way of protecting the guilty since the aftermath of such an event would keep most so busy surviving, the questions of who / why will seem rather moot to say the least.

Admiralty shenanigans being tried by an admiralty court presided over by an admiralty judge!! So all this becomes known by the masses. Where are they going to find unbiased peers to sit on the jury...case dismissed...nuff said...

If anon is that far away, based on the (non existant) delay it could only be a quantum comms device. I don't want to know who you are but you could do the planet a great favour by leaving the handset behind at the front desk as that is something well worth reverse engineering.

Gold. A base metal that can be, if I am to believe Carmody et al (and I do) fully transmuted from other substances so I'm fascinated by the fascination with gold not only by those of this world but those purportedly off it. I can only take that as ET doesn't have that ability otherwise the whole Anunaki edifice wanes somewhat...

Infinity works in any direction so I'm curious as to what makes people think there is anything new under the sun. On second thoughts that does go a long way to explaining the apparent constant seeming need to be immersed in drama.

Are we bored yet.... :p

[efields]

He was told by one of his insiders that is on his side. Obviously the people ordering the attack wouldn't tell him.

I get that, but why tell anyone you're planning the attack? Its all just the usual bull****, and nothing is gonna happen. I hope I'm right anyway.

Good PR to get listeners and press coverage. This guy is an Ego Maniac, not very spiritually aware, with all his hyperbole.

[Ishtar]

Infinity works in any direction so I'm curious as to what makes people think there is anything new under the sun. On second thoughts that does go a long way to explaining the apparent constant seeming need to be immersed in drama.

Are we bored yet.... :p

I think the moral of the tale is

Don't follow leaders
Watch your parking meters

[jaybee]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

Hi Vi, who is this man? I agreed with every word he said.

Stan


:yo: He's talking like a Wo-man! No, he's talking like a wellintegrated individuated Hu-Man!


I agree transiten..and thanks Viking for posting.

It was a brilliant rant....passionate and from the heart.

The more I think about it the more perfect it was that David broke down like he did and showed his emotions. He couldn't win with his detractors what ever he did.

If he had done the traditional stiff upper lip....men don't cry, routine..I'm sure we would have had some saying things along the line of...'oh if he was threatened why isn't he scared,....' etc etc.

I am also amused by the ones who say....in so many words, in essence...'well I've been attacked/shot at/got at....' etc etc. And I didn't let it bother me. LOL.

The fact that David was evidently very very shaken by the threats but then managed to get out there and do the interview and hold it together, with Kerry's support....was admirable.

It was real-time, real emotion, real drama...played out in the public spot light.

We don't get that very often and I think that's why this thread is so huge and compelling...

[jackovesk]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

Re: Part 2

Another 'Little White Lie' from Mr. Wilcock..?

If you say your going to do something, do it..! Or at least explain Why you have'nt released it when you said you would..!

(Like he said on Coast to Coast AM) last night...

Your either 'Trustworthy' or your 'Not'..! He's doing himself no favors here IMHO...

I'm sure, there will be plenty of people rushing to make even more excuses for him yet again...

[transiten]

Well i surely hope something has not happened to David, but if....that would be an explanation...

[Bo Atkinson]

Mad Hatter says it better, but indeed how can so many dots scattered around be logically connected?

For example how would the various legends or assertions of ET (Anunaki) gold harvest removed from earth fit with modern gold hoarding?

I thought it was mentioned somewhere in the interview(s) that sunken ship(s) loaded up with gold were stashed away in the Marianas and another oceanic trench(?) Kerry's guest Anonymous also seemed to suggest the amount of gold was even greater than discussed so far...

My thanks to David, Kerry and all who share consciousness on the web.

[jaybee]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

Re: Part 2

Another 'Little White Lie' from Mr. Wilcock..?

If you say your going to do something, do it..! Or at least explain Why you have'nt released it when you said you would..!

(Like he said on Coast to Coast AM) last night...

Your either 'Trustworthy' or your 'Not'..! He's doing himself no favors here IMHO...

I'm sure, there will be plenty of people rushing to make even more excuses for him yet again...


I won't disappoint you Jackovesk....:o


But I will turn the tables and say......'why don't you (metaphorically) stamp your feet and pout a bit more'

that might speed things up a bit.....:p

[Eric J (Viking)]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

Hi Vi, who is this man? I agreed with every word he said.

Stan

Ron Van Dyke ...
http://www.facebook.com/paradoxman316

viking

[jackovesk]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

Re: Part 2

Another 'Little White Lie' from Mr. Wilcock..?

If you say your going to do something, do it..! Or at least explain Why you have'nt released it when you said you would..!

(Like he said on Coast to Coast AM) last night...

Your either 'Trustworthy' or your 'Not'..! He's doing himself no favors here IMHO...

I'm sure, there will be plenty of people rushing to make even more excuses for him yet again...


I won't disappoint you Jackovesk....:o


But I will turn the tables and say......'why don't you (metaphorically) stamp your feet and pout a bit more'

that might speed things up a bit.....:p

Just adding a little extra Drama for you to keep the Thread going...:)

Here is another little tid-bit for you

December 16, 2011


Regarding David Wilcock does not have the Book of Codes

Important Note:
David does not have the Book of Codes nor does he have any copies... Apparently having a copy of this in possession will get you killed. Among other things it lays out the Illuminati agenda authored many years ago... positing the cashless society and credit cards when they did not yet exist. A Source has told me that he was one of the few people to see it. He didn't look long because among other things it is surrounded by a very dark energy.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html


Sorry, just could'nt resist...

Rgs,

Jack

[jaybee]

@jackovesk......re the quote in your last post.

and your point is ?

[Calz]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

Re: Part 2

Another 'Little White Lie' from Mr. Wilcock..?

If you say your going to do something, do it..! Or at least explain Why you have'nt released it when you said you would..!

(Like he said on Coast to Coast AM) last night...

Your either 'Trustworthy' or your 'Not'..! He's doing himself no favors here IMHO...

I'm sure, there will be plenty of people rushing to make even more excuses for him yet again...

Agreed ... yet if you suddenly believe as though "your life depended on it" ... perhaps that merits making damn sure you get it right???

[wolf_rt]

So i just sat through the interview with Kerry and David....

The original piece was interesting...(very), but i fail to see how that interview with Kerry gave him any protection???

Because he now has an anonymous Irish guy to make threats for him? now he's safe? WTF?

Rather pissed that i just listened to an hour of so of Kerry's waffling, and Davids blubbering to learn ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW...

Or did i miss the point?

[WhiteFeather]

I'm sure we have a message here somewhere... !

On Wednesday, David Wilcock received a death threat for making certain news public. He was invited onto Project Camelot to talk about it. Anonymous joined him. What they shared shatters many illusions and deceptions. It should be required for everyone to listen. Let the education begin to accelerate across the planet!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1fspfztElg&feature=share

viking

Hi Vi, who is this man? I agreed with every word he said.

Stan

Yup this guy resonates with me as well.

FYI:
http://www.youtube.com/user/paradoxman316
His facebook Page is the same paradoxman316

[apokalypse]

what ever Wilcock say its true because he's only a reporter who report the data and information that have given. these information out there to serve their own interest not people interest. What we should discuss is the information and the lawsuit. what's the real agenda of these Secret Society groups? in front they might say save this planet earth but deep inside they are both of the same coin.


Did you catch that list of defendants?
If the amount of money being sued for isn't stunning enough, that list of defendants should attract a great deal of attention -- for it includes the Italian Republic, the Italian Financial Police, Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, the World Economic Forum, Ban Ki-Moon (the head of the UN), and the United Nations itself.

Does the US have jurisdiction over someone who is not a US citizen in another country?

[9eagle9]

It's confusing because of the hysteria generated, people can't separate the court documents, the court case from DW or his current situation. Those are different circumstances all in play, they are simply related and people can't separate them from each other.

There's several different sorts of balls in play here and if you make a comment on the death threat situation, someone knee jerks and starts screaming the court documents are being attacked..lol. They can't separate the ball's into their proper trajectory or play. And that is why DW was probably targeted in the first place, he's not really the source of this information, he really has nothing to do with the court documents other than he contributed to introducing them into the public; he's simply most appealing public figure attached to it. People leaders who gather big followings tend to attract the people who have the same sort of emotional and mental mindset, so the implementation of this sort of manipulation has very dependable out come. As we have observed.











Kerry said on strange universe that she knew the anonymous caller, and that his Irish accent was indeed fake. I heard some Australian phonetics underneath his faked accent. I'm wondering if the "mutual friend" that the anonymous caller and Kerry share was in fact Jack Burns? Something just ain't right here.

Being Australian, I'll tell you something Vivek,

If he was trying to hide an Australian Accent, he did a 'Bloody Good' job of it..!

Meaning, he aint no natural born Aussie...

Rgs,

Jack

Hmmm... interdasting... I don't know who this guy is or what to believe, this whole damn thing is just distracting ... and quite frankly (Jack ;)), frustrating.

The top dozen or so whistle blowers, alternative media outlets/researchers, or whoever the hell knows something that they think humanity should know, should just lay it all out on the table. Here, I'll even set a date... how about December 25th, nothin' going on that day, right? You guys just get together and corroborate everything you've held back that the world hasn't been privy to, and drop the info-bomb on us. Bam, game over. Come out guns blazin', lay it on us.

:thumb:

[jaybee]

It's confusing because of the hysteria generated, people can't separate the court documents, the court case from DW or his current situation. Those are different circumstances all in play, they are simply related and people can't separate them from each other.There's several different sorts of balls in play here and if you make a comment on the death threat situation, someone knee jerks and starts screaming the court documents are being attacked..lol. They can't separate the ball's into their proper trajectory or play. And that is why DW was probably targeted in the first place, he's not really the source of this information, he really has nothing to do with the court documents other than he contributed to introducing them into the public; he's simply most appealing public figure attached to it. People leaders who gather big followings tend to attract the people who have the same sort of emotional and mental mindset, so the implementation of this sort of manipulation has very dependable out come. As we have observed.



I don't see any hysteria....

and I think people are perfectly capable of separating the subjects/issues

I'm not sure if you are using passive aggression here or whether you genuinely think you're smarter than the majority of posters?

:confused:


edit to include full quote...

.

[Nortreb]

Hmm, interesting!

To use Afro-American dialect, "He just got Punkd"! He should have expected this.

The real lesson will see how he responds with his comeback from all of this.

[9eagle9]

I don't see any hysteria....

Typical. "I can't see it, so it must not exist!"

and I think people are perfectly capable of separating the subjects/issues

There's lot of things of things in existence, I'm sure that you can't see. Point?

I'm not sure if you are using passive aggression here or whether you genuinely think you're smarter than the majority of posters?

If you're not sure what I'm using perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on it as if you were. If you can't see a hysteria and fear generation machine perhaps you're ability to see passive aggressive is not in tip top shape either? ....lol.

This not really about intellgience, its about emotional re-activeness.

But if you are confusing intellgience and discernment ability , and you demonstrated by your own admission that you aren't sure what you're seeing......then.... yes I'm probably smarter than the majority of the posters.

[Ishtar]

Does anyone know if David has published Part 2 yet?

Not yet ... been checking every 15 minutes or so.

Re: Part 2

Another 'Little White Lie' from Mr. Wilcock..?

If you say your going to do something, do it..! Or at least explain Why you have'nt released it when you said you would..!

(Like he said on Coast to Coast AM) last night...

Your either 'Trustworthy' or your 'Not'..! He's doing himself no favors here IMHO...

I'm sure, there will be plenty of people rushing to make even more excuses for him yet again...


I won't disappoint you Jackovesk....:o


But I will turn the tables and say......'why don't you (metaphorically) stamp your feet and pout a bit more'

that might speed things up a bit.....:p

Just adding a little extra Drama for you to keep the Thread going...:)

Here is another little tid-bit for you

December 16, 2011


Regarding David Wilcock does not have the Book of Codes

Important Note:
David does not have the Book of Codes nor does he have any copies... Apparently having a copy of this in possession will get you killed. Among other things it lays out the Illuminati agenda authored many years ago... positing the cashless society and credit cards when they did not yet exist. A Source has told me that he was one of the few people to see it. He didn't look long because among other things it is surrounded by a very dark energy.

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html


Sorry, just could'nt resist...

Rgs,

Jack

Look there's one very simple way of spooking them all out on this.

I have got the Book of Codes.

My Aunt Fanny has got the Book of Codes.

We've all got the Book of Codes.

http://www.merlinsltd.com/WebRoot/StoreLGB/Shops/62030553/4844/6620/00C1/D3D3/7339/D5C1/1610/9225/mask_vendetta_1.JPG

(Dan Brown must be sharpening his pen as we speak :cool:)

[jaybee]

I don't see any hysteria....

Typical. "I can't see it, so it must not exist!"

and I think people are perfectly capable of separating the subjects/issues

There's lot of things of things in existence, I'm sure that you can't see. Point?

I'm not sure if you are using passive aggression here or whether you genuinely think you're smarter than the majority of posters?

If you're not sure what I'm using perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on it as if you were. If you can't see a hysteria and fear generation machine perhaps you're ability to see passive aggressive is not in tip top shape either? ....lol.

This not really about intellgience, its about emotional re-activeness.

But if you are confusing intellgience and discernment ability , and you demonstrated by your own admission that you aren't sure what you're seeing......then.... yes I'm probably smarter than the majority of the posters.


LOL....

I'm happy for you that you think you've got it all sussed out, especially the underlined :rolleyes:



iZ4N3ouc8JA


guess what my totem is....:p

[9eagle9]

A bird that squawks a lot but has little in the way of beak strength so is typically observed eating decayed carrion ?

[jaybee]

A bird that squawks a lot but has little in the way of beak strength so is typically observed eating decayed carrion ?


now you've gone and done it !!!!........I am literally laughing out loud here....thanks for the merriment.....:p

[transiten]

A bird that squawks a lot but has little in the way of beak strength so is typically observed eating decayed carrion ?


now you've gone and done it !!!!........I am literally laughing out loud here....thanks for the merriment.....:p

Yes someone who understands recycling and alchemy with a sharp eye soaring high above:

Fly like an eagle
High up in the sky
Circle in the universe
On wings of pure light

Singing hey yippie ay-o
Hey-ay-o

But then again i tend to misunderstand the nuances so maybe it was meant the other way around?

[mountain_jim]

37 pages in, what I am currently most interested in is what Rayelan said

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

We see the Nexus editor talking about having this story for all these years, well she is a source for parts of the gold shenanigans story referenced by Ben and David, backs that up, and then states:


BTW... the Scottish Irishman who was talking to David is the same Shamus who worked with me for over ten years and then married me off to Gunther. Shamus is a starship captain. He is Gunther's higher self and now that I have heard his again, I know where Gunther is these days! And I hope to hell those of you who know what he is capable of are shaking in your Texan boots!


I realize this is all up-thread, and Bill states for certain that this fellow was not 'off-world'.

So my interest is, why would Rayelan, who has a well-documented past as partner to a CIA/Black ops pilot husband, say or believe this? Is it because it's true, or perhaps because she is mind-controlled to believe it (would be possible with her background and contacts), or what?

And why are her readers not making a bigger deal about this?

Pulling on that string is what interests me most at this moment in this saga...

[jaybee]

A bird that squawks a lot but has little in the way of beak strength so is typically observed eating decayed carrion ?


now you've gone and done it !!!!........I am literally laughing out loud here....thanks for the merriment.....:p

Yes someone who understands recycling and alchemy with a sharp eye soaring high above:

Fly like an eagle
High up in the sky
Circle in the universe
On wings of pure light

Singing hey yippie ay-o
Hey-ay-o

But then again i tend to misunderstand the nuances so maybe it was meant the other way around?


That will do just fine, transiten......the eagle is a very fine totem as well....I have sung the song you have put many times.

And to include all birds and all feathered totems...


with our lovely feathers we shall fly
with our lovely feathers we shall fly
we circle around
we circle around
the boundries of the earth


;)


sorry, back on topic?

[9eagle9]

The nuance is in the assumption about what sort of totemic beings I have attached myself to....lol.






A bird that squawks a lot but has little in the way of beak strength so is typically observed eating decayed carrion ?


now you've gone and done it !!!!........I am literally laughing out loud here....thanks for the merriment.....:p

Yes someone who understands recycling and alchemy with a sharp eye soaring high above:

Fly like an eagle
High up in the sky
Circle in the universe
On wings of pure light

Singing hey yippie ay-o
Hey-ay-o

But then again i tend to misunderstand the nuances so maybe it was meant the other way around?

[Connecting with Sauce]

I'm glad I missed this... I had a brief listen to the radio show and started to switch off at the point where he cryed as it was clearly over the top... Also someone so spiritual should know "we are soul, and one" and are only here experiencing this time... And I thought it was complete dis-info at the point he mentioned the federal reserve and gold abundance etc... All part of the break down of the illusion of 3D... I didn't even think it was entertaining to be honest... I haven't really followed any of DW stuff since Zurich's Camelot get together in 2009...

[Lochinvar]

I don't see any hysteria....

Typical. "I can't see it, so it must not exist!"

and I think people are perfectly capable of separating the subjects/issues

There's lot of things of things in existence, I'm sure that you can't see. Point?

I'm not sure if you are using passive aggression here or whether you genuinely think you're smarter than the majority of posters?

If you're not sure what I'm using perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on it as if you were. If you can't see a hysteria and fear generation machine perhaps you're ability to see passive aggressive is not in tip top shape either? ....lol.

This not really about intellgience, its about emotional re-activeness.

But if you are confusing intellgience and discernment ability , and you demonstrated by your own admission that you aren't sure what you're seeing......then.... yes I'm probably smarter than the majority of the posters.

If I was going to claim to be "smarter than the majority of posters" I would make damn sure I could spell "intelligence" properly.

[transiten]

"Across the winter sky, all the birds are leaving" "Who knows where the time goes" Sandy Denny

http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=who%20knows%20where%20the%20time%20goes%20fairport%20convention&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CCcQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DvbpURBJA4uA&ei=GLDsTtC5PO2Q4gSYkYXkCA&usg=AFQjCNHIgzW0GGEfR7zgZ9_oqrH7Ys-mng&cad=rja

[transiten]

I don't want to derail the thread but here's from Denise Linns book of symbols:

The Crow or Raven is seen as a strong sign and to the old Chinese the Crow symbolized the isolation of those living in the "Higher realms" and The Native Americans associated the Crow with mystical forces and the creator of the visible world and seen as a messenger from the spirit world. The crow also is associated with alchemy and time travel.

The Crow signals great changes and asks you to turn inwards; if there's some area in your life that is unethical you must change that.

It may also represent the fear of death and one's own darkness. Be ready to change shapes and look at your self and the world around you in a different way.

The Eagle is also seen as a symbol of the Creator and the Great Spirit and in other traditions a symbol of enlightenment. It might also represent power and strenght and a sign of freedom: If you feel you're stuck in a situation look at it from a higher perspective!

Some good advice from both Crows and Eagles for all Avalonians?

[9eagle9]

Then it's a good thing I'm not the one who stated that I think I'm smarter than the majority of posters...lol. I only agreed that I probably was if it's based on knowing the difference between intellgience and discernment.

When all logic fails attack one's Wilcox's (snicker)




I don't see any hysteria....

Typical. "I can't see it, so it must not exist!"

and I think people are perfectly capable of separating the subjects/issues

There's lot of things of things in existence, I'm sure that you can't see. Point?

I'm not sure if you are using passive aggression here or whether you genuinely think you're smarter than the majority of posters?

If you're not sure what I'm using perhaps you shouldn't be commenting on it as if you were. If you can't see a hysteria and fear generation machine perhaps you're ability to see passive aggressive is not in tip top shape either? ....lol.

This not really about intellgience, its about emotional re-activeness.

But if you are confusing intellgience and discernment ability , and you demonstrated by your own admission that you aren't sure what you're seeing......then.... yes I'm probably smarter than the majority of the posters.

If I was going to claim to be "smarter than the majority of posters" I would make damn sure I could spell "intelligence" properly.

[jaybee]

.


One last post before I log off......;)


A message from me to David Wilcock......go for it Rick...


dQw4w9WgXcQ


:whoo:


:p


thanks transiten for your posts x

[Snowbird]

:biggrin1: Good morning everyone!! Dear God, but I love this forum!! :fencing: :grouphug:

[transiten]

:biggrin1: Good morning everyone!! Dear God, but I love this forum!! :fencing: :grouphug:

Hi Snowbird! Talking about BIRDS:flypig::angel::ufo:

[Elixer]

It's wonderful to see how involved many of us are. It is unfortunate that people do get sucked into it emotionally so much.
Someone pointed out that people feel they have to make a choice in any matter that is presented to them.
It's like elections, a choice between bad guys. Don't make one if you don't have to. Any vote is a vote in favor of the system...
It seems it is in the interests of the 'dark cabal' that we make these (false) choices. Why would that be? Spiritual or mental support for their Antichrist system?

Kerry did do a great job. She has grown in my estimation, as has Bill, over the last few months.

I believe DW to have been for real in the interview and it might turn out to be the best thing for him.
I consider the fact that he cried, more positive than negative. He is human after all, phew;)
One of the criticisms is his 'inflated ego'.
The fact that he is now subjectively experienceing what he has been objectively commenting on, and that there turns out to be a huge discrepancy, should be a learning moment.
It's easy to say he is a hypocrite, but until something actually happens to you, you do not have the full perspective. I hope he deals with this properly.
Due to this occurrence, he might make an adjustment. Humble pie, yum yum....

Why are there so many here, that feel they need to repeatedly state their position on this matter? Need to convince yourself?
Why do we discuss the drama more than the actual issue? Surely not because it has all been laid out for us. There seems so much to discuss in this area? Why is this not really happening (in general?)?

[mountain_jim]

I'm glad I missed this... I had a brief listen to the radio show and started to switch off at the point where he cryed as it was clearly over the top... Also someone so spiritual should know "we are soul, and one" and are only here experiencing this time... And I thought it was complete dis-info at the point he mentioned the federal reserve and gold abundance etc... All part of the break down of the illusion of 3D... I didn't even think it was entertaining to be honest... I haven't really followed any of DW stuff since Zurich's Camelot get together in 2009...

Complete disinfo?

Apparently parts of this story concerning black-market Gold have been around for years, and some of it well documented, but unknown by me until this week.

http://www.deepblacklies.co.uk/

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_gold.htm#top

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

I can see it as part of the breakdown of 3D, but if it's 3D-historical-fact-based info, that's not the definition of disinfo as I understand it. (I realize we can't fully know the fact-content from the available documentation at this time.)

And in my opinion if you have not read Source Field Investigations, then your opinions of Wilcock's 'stuff' are incompletely researched, to say the least.

[transiten]

It's wonderful to see how involved many of us are. It is unfortunate that people do get sucked into it emotionally so much.
Someone pointed out that people feel they have to make a choice in any matter that is presented to them.
It's like elections, a choice between bad guys. Don't make one if you don't have to. Any vote is a vote in favor of the system...
It seems it is in the interests of the 'dark cabal' that we make these (false) choices. Why would that be? Spiritual or mental support for their Antichrist system?

Kerry did do a great job. She has grown in my estimation, as has Bill, over the last few months.

I believe DW to have been for real in the interview and it might turn out to be the best thing for him.
I consider the fact that he cried, more positive than negative. He is human after all, phew;)
One of the criticisms is his 'inflated ego'.
The fact that he is now subjectively experienceing what he has been objectively commenting on, and that there turns out to be a huge discrepancy, should be a learning moment.
It's easy to say he is a hypocrite, but until something actually happens to you, you do not have the full perspective. I hope he deals with this properly.
Due to this occurrence, he might make an adjustment. Humble pie, yum yum....

Why are there so many here, that feel they need to repeatedly state their position on this matter? Need to convince yourself?
Why do we discuss the drama more than the actual issue? Surely not because it has all been laid out for us. There seems so much to discuss in this area? Why is this not really happening (in general?)?


Because The World Out There is a reflection of The World Inside everyone of us and it's All Tied Toghether in The Here and Now and It Is what It Is because it can not have been otherwise up til now due to the circumstances that led us all into this moment.

! But Tomorrow is Another Day!

[Elixer]

This entire issue is incredibly timely for Hoagland. The threads around his problems have almost died out.
He must be so relieved (or maybe not...) that his buddy stole the spotlight.

[DevilPigeon]

-----

Yawwwwwwwn...

:drama:

[Semnyi]

I want to know what Duncan O' Finnion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPTQbka1vp4&feature=player_embedded Has against David Wilcox.. Also what is the deal with Fulford's Book of Makumaku black screen? http://www.duncanofinioan.com/ this guy is for real, now he's first generation, now is fifth or sixth... according to Duncan.. Much respect, And wishes for peace

[Unified Serenity]

For what its worth...

Here is David Wilcocks very brief interview with George Noory on Coast to Coast Am

Starts @ 2.00 minutes...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7Xlh_6Pt5g&feature=channel_video_title

If ET's are not your thing for why the drone was captured, here is a very solid report on Chinese hardware part manufacture and "backdoors".
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/

This goes along with what I wrote a few days ago about the stupidity of America using any major computer components which handle codes, navigation, any circuit boards made by China which at anytime could be disabled through some secret code. Imagine going to war and our soldiers suddenly dropping like flies in their planes because they have lost control of them. Or for that matter, major airlines crashing... talk about terrorism! Whose bright idea was this to get our computer components from China? Thanks Modwiz for the post.

[pilotsimone]

deleted post