David Wilcock receives very serious death threat, after Fulford gets kidnapped

[joedjemal]

I'm trying to understand why we need to believe anything about this story at all? Why are we so incapable of just observing?

In other words, there is nothing to do here yet we argue as if there is. :)
Does anyone on this thread really believe their words have any impact on how this lawsuit unfolds? Arguing about what you believe and don't believe about DW, BF, or the information they present is entirely pointless. In the end it changes absolutely nothing, it just makes the ego a little stronger.

This thread clearly shows the silly side of Project Avalon.

The bigger story of this thread (and one our words actually can impact) is how so many found it necessary to denigrate and ridicule because someone displayed public emotion. Even to the point they shared their own "war stories" to impress upon us how much tougher they are than David! It's strange behavior and one worth discussing.

Closed off hearts are the only reason we have TPTW. Deep down everyone here knows this, but we love to pretend it's something external.

I wonder if this constant refusal to hear what is actually said is deliberate or unconscious.

A genuine outburst of emotion is one thing, one crafted to provoke a reaction is something quite different. If I believed that any of this situation were real I probably wouldn't have said anything at all. It's amazing watching so many people dance to this performance. And I'm getting sucked in again. Time to go and look at something else perhaps.

[Unified Serenity]

I'm trying to understand why we need to believe anything about this story at all? Why are we so incapable of just observing?

In other words, there is nothing to do here yet we argue as if there is. :)
Does anyone on this thread really believe their words have any impact on how this lawsuit unfolds? Arguing about what you believe and don't believe about DW, BF, or the information they present is entirely pointless. In the end it changes absolutely nothing, it just makes the ego a little stronger.

This thread clearly shows the silly side of Project Avalon.

The bigger story of this thread (and one our words actually can impact) is how so many found it necessary to denigrate and ridicule because someone displayed public emotion. Even to the point they shared their own "war stories" to impress upon us how much tougher they are than David! It's strange behavior and one worth discussing.

Closed off hearts are the only reason we have TPTW. Deep down everyone here knows this, but we love to pretend it's something external.

I'm amazed at the number of people who can disrespect those who take umbridge with the whole DW affair going on and not see they are doing the very thing they seem to be put off by. It sort of reminds me of some who claim those of a more conservative nature need to be more tolerant, but show zero tolerance themselves for those whose views are opposite their own.

Let me point something out here. While I stated that it appeared to me DW was peeing in his pants, I defended his right to feel the emotions. My problem was more of the aspect that he seemed completely taken aback and shocked that anyone would threaten him. Now, I will go into something else which no one has mentioned, though some have alluded to the great bang for the buck whomever set this up is getting by all those who have gone all emotional over this situation. I learned a long time ago that no one really cares how much someone knows until they really know how much that person cares.

When someone is in a leadership position whether real or self created, they must show some wisdom that their actions can and will affect those who follow them. Wisdom and spiritual enlightenment would tell a true leader who cares about them to be careful how they handle public situations because of how it can affect those who care about them. Where was David's concern for all you who were crying along with him? What is the value of that collective energy and who fed off of it? This was a gross energy sucking fest, and it really still is now that we have contention over people not liking what some say on either side. David, imho, is self centered, always has been, and this situation truly brings this to light for me. One can preach STO, but people are known by their fruit, and this whole story reveals someone who very much appears TO ME as David being STS. Courage is not a lack of fear, it is recognizing one's fear, processing it responsibly, and going forward with honor no matter the outcome.

I cannot imagine a more piss pour display of courage than what David did on Kerry's show. Look at the fruit of that show. I am NOT blaiming Kerry. I have yet to see part II show up despite David being told to post it. How freaking long does it take to tell the effing truth? You either know your **** / facts or you are just telling someone else's truth and now that the **** has hit the fan, you are double checking, triple checking, biting your nails, talking to your board of directors, fans, puppet masters who the hell knows at this point? You know what this tell me? David is in a lot more trouble than someone coming after him with a bullet or physically water boarding or doing some other nasty physical torture to him. You know what this tells me? It's open season on DW for any of dark energy who know how the hell to wage astral warfare, and he can't do a damn thing to stop it because he has not learned how to fight in that arena. If any of you understand what I am saying, then you know I am right here. Either David is a complete Newb in regards to spirit / astral warfare or this whole thing is a play on people's emotions for his own benefit. Since I don't want to believe DW is lying, I will logically deduce that he is in real trouble if someone wanted to eff with him in the real world which for me is astral. As above so below. Nothing happens in the physical that does not first take place in Astral. DW is not the spiritual giant some of you think he is.

Serenity

[mojo]

Hi all,
Does anyone recall somewhere David mentions a book of codes or Maklamek (sp?) Does anyone know anything about this? Thanks....

[Bill Ryan]

37 pages in, what I am currently most interested in is what Rayelan said

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

We see the Nexus editor talking about having this story for all these years, well she is a source for parts of the gold shenanigans story referenced by Ben and David, backs that up, and then states:


BTW... the Scottish Irishman who was talking to David is the same Shamus who worked with me for over ten years and then married me off to Gunther. Shamus is a starship captain. He is Gunther's higher self and now that I have heard his again, I know where Gunther is these days! And I hope to hell those of you who know what he is capable of are shaking in your Texan boots!
I realize this is all up-thread, and Bill states for certain that this fellow was not 'off-world'.

So my interest is, why would Rayelan, who has a well-documented past as partner to a CIA/Black ops pilot husband, say or believe this? Is it because it's true, or perhaps because she is mind-controlled to believe it (would be possible with her background and contacts), or what?

And why are her readers not making a bigger deal about this?

Pulling on that string is what interests me most at this moment in this saga...




What Rayelan said was totally incorrect.

[transiten]

Joedjemal

It's likewise amazing to me that you cannot understand that this is adressing some of the posters comments to the way David reacted. Whether David was manipulated or not is not the point.

[joedjemal]

Transiten, for the sixth or so time I'm not saying he was manipulated I'm saying he was manipulating. There's a big difference. Why can't you hear me?

[DreamsInDigital]

It's the codes that are entered into the financial system computers to "make" money. Like you just enter this certain set of codes, and then write for example (in doctor evil voice "$1 Billion Dollars" and then POOF! "$1 Billion Dollars" appears out of thin air into the financial system. With out those codes, the Global Elite would not be anywhere near as rich as they are. And, part of this whole thing. Once the Fiat money that has nothing to back it up, goes poof, the super rich people are not going to be as rich as they are, if not completely utterly broke.

[transiten]

Transiten, for the sixth or so time I'm not saying he was manipulated I'm saying he was manipulating. There's a big difference. Why can't you hear me?

Ok! Sorry Joedjemal, but we are not of the same opinion here. If you're convinced he was manipulating makes no difference,
the comments still are what they are and i don't like the parable from The Bible
"A tooth for a tooth" etc....

[joedjemal]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

[VaughnB]

He was told by one of his insiders that is on his side. Obviously the people ordering the attack wouldn't tell him.

I get that, but why tell anyone you're planning the attack? Its all just the usual bull****, and nothing is gonna happen. I hope I'm right anyway.


The LA Times reports the 134 billion in bonds are fakes: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/06/speculation-about-the-italian-smuggling-case-involving-134-billion-in-purported-us-treasury-bonds-may-have-been-fun-while.html
From DW's site: I see he doesn't hesitate to plug his book again.
The lawsuit is real, I checked PACER
Death threats, people held against their will? Difficult to validate via the internet sources at this time. I mean I've gotten death threats and I'm a nobody.

In other words, I'd hold out my headlong leap into hysteria of imminent global collapse, upheaval, etc.

[shamanseeker]

37 pages in, what I am currently most interested in is what Rayelan said

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

We see the Nexus editor talking about having this story for all these years, well she is a source for parts of the gold shenanigans story referenced by Ben and David, backs that up, and then states:


BTW... the Scottish Irishman who was talking to David is the same Shamus who worked with me for over ten years and then married me off to Gunther. Shamus is a starship captain. He is Gunther's higher self and now that I have heard his again, I know where Gunther is these days! And I hope to hell those of you who know what he is capable of are shaking in your Texan boots!


I realize this is all up-thread, and Bill states for certain that this fellow was not 'off-world'.

So my interest is, why would Rayelan, who has a well-documented past as partner to a CIA/Black ops pilot husband, say or believe this? Is it because it's true, or perhaps because she is mind-controlled to believe it (would be possible with her background and contacts), or what?

And why are her readers not making a bigger deal about this?

Pulling on that string is what interests me most at this moment in this saga...


Don't you think Bill ought to tell us how he knows this man is not off-world?

[transiten]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back? Not using the same tactics as your opponents which will end up you being just like them?

[shamanseeker]

That accent sounded like a mixture of a lot of different accents...I could hear Ulster for few seconds, Scotland for a few seconds and some nasal twang which is very unIrish and either American, Canadian or Australian.

I've taught English abroad for a long time, and it sounded to me as if he was a non-native speaker who speaks the language well because he has a lot of English speaking friends or colleagues but speaks with an odd accent.

[Khaleesi]

From my observations, there are a lot of people who love and care about DW. They are very concerned about this situation and for DW's safety. It appears to me that rather than sending love and protection, which is their intention, based on their comments, they are not truly standing in that energy. To truly have any positive manifestation of that protection, they can not continue to be worried and fearful for DW, as that will negate their intention. Do you truly believe in your ability to send love and protection? If so, stop falling into the 'fear trap'. Stop fearing for his safety and trust in your ability to contribute to his protection.

[Cartomancer]

Now we all do realize that if Fulford is correct this will cause an economic mess all over worse than the one we are in now.

In the last few years many have been buying up gold to fend of the effects of the bad economy. If all this stored illegal gold hits the market it is going to make the price of gold plummet. So here they have taken all the farms, all the private property, all the public property, all the money and now this will crash the price of gold on top of everything else. The whole reason for all of this may be to make the price of gold nothing in a already weak economy. This will decrease the value of all the gold already on the market. If true this is just another assault on the common man and not anything that will save anyone at all. It will make things worse.

I hope all of this is not part of the plan of the NWO. Ironic if true especially since the whole story revolves around Fulford fighting the "NWO."

[DeMeeee]

The more public attention anything or anyone gets, the more complicated it becomes for someone to do ill harm, in any way. It not only aids in the physical restricting of actually doing harm but it also massively aids as positive energy held for him or anyone.
“The more attention, the more power” this works both for the dark or light sides of life. Hence the many years of darkness of the elite not wanting us to ever know anything. They know this better than we do, which is why it’s gone on so so so long.
BECAUSE once we know, they are doomed – only a matter of time!


So i just sat through the interview with Kerry and David....

The original piece was interesting...(very), but i fail to see how that interview with Kerry gave him any protection???

Because he now has an anonymous Irish guy to make threats for him? now he's safe? WTF?

Rather pissed that i just listened to an hour of so of Kerry's waffling, and Davids blubbering to learn ABSOLUTELY NOTHING NEW...

Or did i miss the point?

[shamanseeker]

9eagle9 and other critics

Using wordings like "Wetting one's pants" or call someone a liar and "faking crocodile tears" has nothing to do with being critical at all. It's sheer disdain and lack of empathy.

I agree, it is condescending. No one here owns the sole critical thinking license on this forum and it is not necessary to hold one particular opinion or the other to be utilizing critical thinking. This situation involves important witness testimony regarding a lawsuit that potentially could affect us all. It is those claiming to be thinking so critically who are adding to the drama by focusing solely on the most dramatic elements of this issue.



Thanks, Cottage Rose!

The way David broke down was typical of the response of a person to unbearable stress and when s/he is told that it'll be OK and that people are going to help him/her. It is quite natural and can happen to any one.
One can have no fear of death but still have a reaction like this. I've always felt I had no fear of death as such but when I was in Athens when a very bad earthquake struck and the building I was in was swaying back and forth, to my surprise I broke down too. It was like it was a reaction of my body not my soul, I literally saw my life pass in front of me like a film - I know now that this really does happen - and when my friend who had two babies in their bedrooms, shouted at me and told me to pull myself together and go and get one of them while she went to get the other one I stopped immediately and did just that walking along a long, narrow, marble-lined corridor that was waving from side to side like a snake.

[joedjemal]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

[cellardoor]

To bill:)

Is the insider who relayed the info to David about the death threat, the same person who told him about the DUMBS?

Thank you.

[transiten]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

[pilotsimone]

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[mountain_jim]

He was told by one of his insiders that is on his side. Obviously the people ordering the attack wouldn't tell him.

I get that, but why tell anyone you're planning the attack? Its all just the usual bull****, and nothing is gonna happen. I hope I'm right anyway.


The LA Times reports the 134 billion in bonds are fakes: http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/money_co/2009/06/speculation-about-the-italian-smuggling-case-involving-134-billion-in-purported-us-treasury-bonds-may-have-been-fun-while.html
From DW's site: I see he doesn't hesitate to plug his book again.
The lawsuit is real, I checked PACER
Death threats, people held against their will? Difficult to validate via the internet sources at this time. I mean I've gotten death threats and I'm a nobody.

In other words, I'd hold out my headlong leap into hysteria of imminent global collapse, upheaval, etc.

For an interesting discussion about 'strange inconsisitencies' in these bonds. This was linked to in the Wilcock blog.

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/06/the-strange-inconsistencies-behind-the-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/


Here are just a few fascinating facts about this case (at least they are being reported as “facts” at this current time):

(1) Though the smugglers have been identified in the press as “Japanese nationals” there has yet to be any confirmation if the smugglers were indeed Japanese or of some other ethnicity. How difficult is it to confirm the ethnicity of the smugglers and why is this information being kept secret?

(2) According to a brief Bloomberg article regarding this story, the seized bearer bonds allegedly were dated as of 1934. Since bearer bonds in denominations of $500 million did not exist in 1934, the bonds were deduced as fake, though the Italian police are still waiting for a declaration regarding the bonds’ authenticity from the SEC. There is something truly “off” about this declaration. How can the quality of the forged bearer bonds be so meticulous that they “are indistinguishable from the real ones”, yet the people involved in the alleged forgery so ill-informed as to not date the bearer bonds with a more recent year that would not immediately identify them as fraudulent? How hard would it have been to date the bearer bonds with a more recent year? An equivalent analogy would be if an expert art forger meticulously re-created a Picasso oil canvas and then erroneously signed the work with the wrong artist’s name. This story just does not add up.

(3) The Bloomberg story also reported that there is no known existence of the alleged 10 Kennedy bonds that were discovered in the smuggler’s suitcases, each with a denomination of $1 billion. Again, this discovery defies any logical explanation. Why would expert counterfeiters make 249 bearer bonds with denominations of $500 million apiece, each indistinguishable from the real thing, and then instead of just making 20 more such bonds, decide to make 10 bonds in denominations of $1 billion a piece in a bearer bond design that has never existed? Were the alleged counterfeiters just too lazy to confirm if Kennedy bearer bonds were ever a legitimately issued security? Again, this story makes no sense.

(4) On March 30, 2009, the US Treasury Department announced that USD $134.5 billion remained in its Troubled Asset Relief Program [TARP]. The stated amount of seized bearer bonds was $134.5 billion. Coincidence?

(5) The two well-dressed Japanese men opted to travel to Chiasso on a local train normally full of Italian manual laborers commuting to Switzerland. If they were really intent on successfully smuggling these bonds, counterfeit or real, why would they not take more care to select a travel route in which it was literally impossible for them not to stick out like two sore thumbs? Again, this part of the story defies all logic.

(6) The bearer bonds were discovered in a hidden briefcase compartment after a customs inspection. Again, if the bonds were indeed authentic and owned by a nation state, they could have been transported in a diplomatic pouch exempt from customs searches that would have guaranteed transport without detection.
Thus, all of the above irreconcilable and illogical points, other than the coincidence of the amount of the bearer bonds exactly matching the remaining TARP fund amount declared on March 30th, seem to indicate that not only were the seized bearer bonds counterfeit, but also that the smugglers were intent on being caught.
Before I continue, let’s review the purpose of bearer bonds.

Here is the Wikipedia definition of bearer bonds:

“A bearer bond is a debt security issued by a business entity, such as a corporation, or by a government. It differs from the more common types of investment securities in that it is unregistered – no records are kept of the owner, or the transactions involving ownership. Whoever physically holds the paper on which the bond is issued owns the instrument. This is useful for investors who wish to retain anonymity. The downside is that in the event of loss or theft, bearer bonds are extremely difficult to recover.”

If you recall the Michael Mann movie “Heat”, starring Robert DeNiro and Al Pacino, during a daring daytime armored car robbery, the criminals specifically targeted millions of dollars of bearer bonds for theft precisely because of the above qualities of bearer bonds that make them very difficult to trace. Again, due to the properties of bearer bonds, it seems highly unlikely that $134.5 billion of bearer bonds would be transported, if they were real, by two men with no security, since theft almost guarantees that they would be lost forever.

Thus far, about the only piece of information that appears to be reliable as reported by various news sources regarding this huge mystery is the remarkable authenticity of the 249 seized bearer bonds in denominations of USD $500 million. If any of the other facts, as they are being reported, are remotely accurate, then the bearer bonds were likely counterfeit. Still, the interesting part of this story, at least to me, is that the smugglers seemed intent on being caught with the counterfeit bonds. This leads me back to my previous question. What possible reason would the smugglers have for wanting to be caught? One of the quickest ways to sabotage and usher in the death of a currency is to raise legitimate questions about its ability to withstand counterfeiting efforts. Prove that counterfeiting is not only possible but highly likely, and the world’s confidence in the sabotaged currency will undoubtedly plummet.

In fact, this very tactic was applied during World War II when the Nazis launched Operation Bernhard in an attempt to crash the British economy by producing, by 1945, 132 million expertly counterfeited British pounds, a figure that represented roughly 15% of all real British pounds in circulation at the time. The counterfeit pounds were produced by expert printers and engravers supervised by an SS officer named Bernhard Krueger. As well, historical evidence exists that the Allies considered launching a counter-counterfeit plan against the Nazis as well. During this time, it was also alleged that the Bank of Italy counterfeited their own money by issuing the same securities twice with identical registered numbers and codes in order. The purpose of this counterfeiting was to secretly expand monetary supply without public transparency or accountability. Perhaps then, this $134.5.billion bearer bond mystery was an attempt of a nation state to shake the world’s confidence in the position of the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.

There should be little debate that the world’s emerging economies in Russia, Brazil, China and certain Gulf Nations are at economic war today with the world’s Western nations and their economic allies. The currency war being fought today is sure to get much uglier in the foreseeable future, in both open tactics as well as secretly executed tactics. Currently, if the currency war were the world series of poker, the US and the UK would be holding a pair of 2s and relying on nothing but bluffs to keep the rest of the world at bay. Conversely, the Chinese and other emerging nations with large surpluses would be holding straight or royal flushes, and likely quietly maneuvering to go “all in” at some point.

Given that the discovery of $134.5 billion of bearer bonds in the suitcases of two Japanese nationals in Chiasso, Italy on the border of Switzerland qualifies as one of the largest smuggling operations in history, and given the various implications of such an act and the possible players involved, the silence regarding this huge story is simply stunning. It is not a huge story, per se, because of the counterfeiting operation, because accusations and revelations of massive money counterfeiting operations have occured in the past. It is a huge story, rather, due to all the inconsistencies of the story and the potential explanations that could explain these inconsistencies. The larger story at hand is, who are the players (nations) involved, and what was the intention of this likely counterfeiting operation? Maybe the future will reveal the answers to these questions. But maybe not.

[transiten]

F.y.i I have not been "following" David Wilcock on Divine Cosmos for over a year, moved on to Bring4th for some perspective and then Avalon for another one, peeping in now and then to see how things evolve, if i have changed, if they have changed and with my extremely curious Mercurial chart i will soon be checking out some other fora.

Also i picture a situation where there is no Internet at all and Then What? No problem, the Synchronicities will follow me wherever i go and so i will always feel connected even when disconnected.

:peace:

[gooty64]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

Bingo!.......

[DreamsInDigital]

@ Vaughn,
them saying the 134 bonds are fakes, that's just the Disinformation Machine cranking into high gear again.

[mountain_jim]

and the later discussion from the link

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/07/possible-links-to-a-coming-bank-holiday-in-the-ongoing-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/



Since the time I wrote the first article about this event, “The Strange Inconsistencies of the $134.5 Billion Bearer Bond Mystery”, there has been virtual silence in the media regarding any follow-up to this story. However, a little Italian-based website called Asianews.it reported the below story a couple of weeks ago that contained even more strange inconsistencies than the ones I originally reported. I’ve outlined the most prominent portions of this article below.

“Four weeks have passed since American bonds were confiscated from two Japanese men who were traveling on a direct train to Chiasso, Switzerland, and while there has been clarification of some – very few -points, Italian authorities have remained silent on the rest of the episode…The major English-speaking newspapers ignored the story for a couple of weeks. They only started to report on it after the Bloomberg agency carried a story on June 18th, in which a spokesman for the Treasury, Meyerhardt, declared that the bonds, based on photos available on the Internet, were ‘clearly false’. The same day, the Financial Times (FT) published an article whose title laid the blame for the (alleged) infringement at the feet of the Italian Mafia, despite the fact that the article failed to make even one possible connection with the episode in Chiasso.”
Furthermore, “the Financial Times (FT) published an article whose title laid the blame for the (alleged) infringement at the feet of the Italian Mafia, despite the fact that the article failed to make even one possible connection with the episode in Chiasso. Nevertheless, the version of events as reported in FT was taken up by others as being ‘appropriate’.”

When this story first broke, the Italian financial police stressed the remarkable authenticity of the 249 bearer bonds, each of $500 million denomination, and that they were indistinguishable from the real ones. If so, how would it be possible for US Treasury spokesman Meyerhardt to declare the bonds fake based upon looking at internet photos? If he declared them fake because of their alleged 1934 date, note that although this detail was provided by a Bloomberg report, apparently the alleged 1934 date of the bearer bonds was not included in any official statement issued by Italian police. Bloomberg reported that the purported 1934 date came from Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Italian financial police. If this is true, then why would Colonel Mecarelli omit this critical piece of information from his official report? And indeed, it is strange of the Financial Times to lay the blame for this bearer bond mystery at the feet of the Italian Mafia without any explanation or evidence that points to the mafia’s involvement. Very strange indeed.

On June 25th, “the New York Times reported on the story in particular, the allegations of CIA spokesman, Darrin Blackford: the U.S. Secret Service carried out inspections, as required by the Italian judiciary, and found that they were fictitious financial instruments, never issued by the U.S. government. It is not clear, however, how the checks mentioned by Blackford were carried out and whether they were also are carried out via internet. In fact according to official Italian sources the Commission of American experts, expected in Italy, have yet to arrive. Furthermore, the bonds were accompanied by a recent and original bank record. It is therefore unclear how the U.S. authorities can declare fake documentation that does not originate from the Fed or the U.S. Department of Treasury.”

Again, is any of the above believable? Are we really to believe that no US official made the trip to Italy to inspect these bearer bonds for authenticity and that US officials conducted their inspections via photos passed through the internet? Again, this makes no sense at all. Given the enormous implications regarding the indistinguishable authenticity of these bearer bonds from real bearer bonds, I would believe that a modicum of common sense would dictate that the US Treasury and US Federal Reserve immediately send agents to Italy to inspect the bonds as a matter of procedure. Even if the bearer bonds could be confirmed as fake through their serial numbers, I still find it very difficult to believe that no US official would want to personally inspect the bearer bonds in an attempt to track down the counterfeiters. The official stance that no US officials had yet arrived in Italy a couple of weeks after the discovery of the bearer bonds is very difficult to believe.

“Claims in support of the bond’s authenticity were made June 26th on the Turner Radio Network (TRN), an independent radio station broadcast via Internet. On that date in a massive exposure, TRN stated that the two Japanese men arrested by the Guardia di Finanza (GdF) and then released in Ponte Chiasso were employees of the Japanese Ministry for Treasury. AsiaNews had also received similar reports: one of the two Japanese arrested in Chiasso and then released is Tuneo Yamauchi, the brother (in-law) of Toshiro Muto, until recently vice governor of the Bank of Japan. On its website, the creator and presenter of the Radio, Hal Turner, had also claimed that his sources had revealed that the Italian authorities believe the evidence to be authentic and that the two Japanese officials are from the Japanese Ministry for Finance. They were supposed to bring the bonds to Switzerland because the Japanese government had apparently lost confidence in U.S. ability to repay its debt. Japanese financial authorities therefore were trying to sell a part of the securities in their possession through parallel channels ahead of an imminent financial disaster, thanks to the anonymity which, Turner said, is guaranteed by the laws of Switzerland.”

Certainly if the identity of one of the two Japanese men could be confirmed as the brother-in-law of the recent vice governor of the Bank of Japan, then this would seem to indicate that there is much more to this story than the “official” story that is being reported. However, all I could discover about this detail was that the identity of Tuneo Yamauchi was leaked by “confidential sources” whose reliability is unknown. So the alleged identities of the two Japanese nationals caught in possession of the bearer bonds still remain a big question mark.

“AsiaNews does not know to what extent Turner’s revelations can be held as credible, given that in this case too, it is difficult to believe that $ 134.5 billion would pass unnoticed anywhere in the world. It seems far more logical to assume that the bonds, if authentic, were directed to the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, BIS, the central bank of central banks ahead of the issuance of securities in a new supranational currency.”The only thing interesting about the above is that there have been lots of underground rumblings about the imposition of a US Bank Holiday, similar to the one imposed during the Great Depression, sometime before the end of this year for the purpose of dollar devaluation. These rumblings have allegedly originated from employees that work at US embassies all over the world, but at this point, these rumors are all anecdotal. If another Bank Holiday was in the works, then it would lend more credibility to the “authentic bearer bonds” angle, but this is a very big “if”.

“One more element in favour of the bond’s authenticity is found in the securities, which in the June 4 statement, the GdF termed “Kennedy Bonds” with photos provided. These photos reveal that the securities under discussion are not bonds but Treasury Notes, because they are securities that can be immediately exchanged for their worth in goods or services and because they are devoid of interest coupons. One side carries a reproduction of the image of the American president, the reverse side that of a spaceship. From confidential, usually well-informed sources, AsiaNews has learned that this type of paper money was issued less than ten years ago (in 1998), although it is difficult to know whether those seized in Chiasso are authentic. But the fact that the release of this particular State Treasury was not completely in the public domain tends to exclude the possibility of counterfeiting. It is highly unreasonable to suppose that a forger would reproduce a State Treasury not commonly in circulation and of which there is no public knowledge.”In the end, there truly is no possible way to separate fact from fiction in this still under-reported and largely uncovered story; however, if a Bank Holiday happens before year end, it certainly will lend significant support to the still incredulous possibility that these bearer bonds were indeed real.

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You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

Bingo!.......

Synchronicity! That cute little doggie posted exactly the same minute as me: 20.40!

Police:
http://www.google.se/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=synchronicity%20police&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDIQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUbQd3jxth5k&ei=3fDsTp_uO8bh4QTE-KmCCQ&usg=AFQjCNHyIlPQX6P1wvIeTrwZ1-3fq8T3aA&cad=rja

[Khaleesi]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I don't see that as homophobia and I'm GAY! This has devolved from people stating their opinions to unenlightened name calling.

[DevilPigeon]

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I'm sensing a few big egos on this thread, all getting too heavily involved in what can only be described as a big melodrama.

[transiten]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I don't see that as homophobia and I'm GAY! This has devolved from people stating their opinions to unenlightened name calling.

OK! Excuse my example BUT: Even if it's not homophobia in what way do you think it's appropriate to lable David Wilcock as a "Girl wetting her pants? Is that enlightened you think? And i'm not entitled to react to these wordings?

¤=[Post Update]=¤


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I'm sensing a few big egos on this thread, all getting too heavily involved in what can only be described as a big melodrama.

Maybe, but you don't have to engage, just skip the posts!

Bonne Nuit:lazy2:

[HaveBlue]

More political correctness gone mad. It seems to me that there are people that log into this forum just to find something to take offense about and make silly off topic comments about.

[DreamsInDigital]

37 pages in, what I am currently most interested in is what Rayelan said

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

We see the Nexus editor talking about having this story for all these years, well she is a source for parts of the gold shenanigans story referenced by Ben and David, backs that up, and then states:


BTW... the Scottish Irishman who was talking to David is the same Shamus who worked with me for over ten years and then married me off to Gunther. Shamus is a starship captain. He is Gunther's higher self and now that I have heard his again, I know where Gunther is these days! And I hope to hell those of you who know what he is capable of are shaking in your Texan boots!


I realize this is all up-thread, and Bill states for certain that this fellow was not 'off-world'.

So my interest is, why would Rayelan, who has a well-documented past as partner to a CIA/Black ops pilot husband, say or believe this? Is it because it's true, or perhaps because she is mind-controlled to believe it (would be possible with her background and contacts), or what?

And why are her readers not making a bigger deal about this?

Pulling on that string is what interests me most at this moment in this saga...


Don't you think Bill ought to tell us how he knows this man is not off-world?
Maybe Bill just doesn't perceive that aspect of the guy, but I can tell you those of us that have Off Worlder/Alien Radar systems built in are in solid agreement that that guy is definitely 100% a Star Ship Captain. And, most likely 5th Planet Tau Ceti System. Or, maybe Bill was simply implying that he is "physically" on this planet, since the guy said he was 'out in the field', and that is what Bill meant by "On Planet" that he is physically here on earth.

[transiten]

More political correctness gone mad. It seems to me that there are people that log into this forum just to find something to take offense about and make silly off topic comments about.

If you're hinting at me you might not have browsed the other threads i'm engaged in and by the way, tomorrow i'll be gone with the wind leaving a lot of space for you to fill up:plane:

[Unified Serenity]

My statements are in Blue.

Pilotsimone,


When someone is in a leadership position whether real or self created, they must show some wisdom that their actions can and will affect those who follow them.


Maybe this is where my confusion lies. I don't see DW as a leader at all, rather a servant. Who exactly is looking for a leader and why would you encourage this? The whole dynamic (leader/follower) is old paradigm thinking and has no place in our world anymore.

If you do not notice that for one, DW, to have a fan club and following that one is putting themselves out to be a leader, then I cannot help you to see that fact. I agree that we do not need DW as a leader at all.



Where was David's concern for all you who were crying along with him? What is the value of that collective energy and who fed off of it? This was a gross energy sucking fest, and it really still is now that we have contention over people not liking what some say on either side.


Are you not creating the same gross energy sucking fest by attacking him personally and posting with so much inflammatory language? You are well aware you are pushing buttons (I would argue purposely), causing anger. What is the value of that collective energy and who fed off it?

I remember a bit of wisdom that admonishes us to not be easily offended or quick to anger. I find it sage advice. If hearing my views regarding DW upsets some, then that is for them to examine. Why should some strangers viewpoint upset you if you are so sure of your beliefs? I have found that we usually become angry or upset with what others say if it makes us uncomfortable, which comes most often from a place of fear. "What if they're right and I'm wrong?" "How dare they attack my idol" (indignant worshipper energy inserted here on their part) "I don't want to face the possiblity of change because I like my paradigm and don't want to be open to what others think so I will attack them for speaking their concerns and hopefully they will shut up and besides lots of people agree with me so I must be right". These are just a few of the thoughts that I have seen mirrored via responses from those who are obviously very much supporters and/or followers of DW. It does feel like a cult following, and that's MY opinion. Like noses, we each have them, you don't have to agree, but I stand by my right to state it as this is a forum after all.

I am actually not trying to cause anyone to be angry. I do not take authority over others emotions, and I do not blame others for my emotions. Feelings are just that feelings. Unfortunately, some people do get into a tit for tat energy battle, but they are more of a distraction to me, and I am not angry about this. I simply see things differently regarding DW than some of you do. As I said before, I don't hate DW. I don't care for his energy and never have.... and yes, I am a very good energy taster.



DW is not the spiritual giant some of you think he is.


Your insistence in devaluing him makes absolutely no sense to me. Attacking his character rather than the content of his work speaks louder than anything else I can add here. So, I will leave you to it.

Oh, there is plenty that I have already pointed to that I find manipulative on DW's part based on what recently occured. I have already stated my views on DW's contributions, the popularity garnered by his using other's work and just putting his twists on it. He has a huge ego and does not falter in self promoting and lifting himself up as some spiritual giant here to help us all grow into people who follow a path of love. I am reminded the the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't get swayed easily by my emotions, though I am very emotional. I am also very sensitive which is something very few people recognize about me. Just because I don't shrink from a fight, will stand my ground, and don't speak as diplomatically as some do (eagle9 I applaud you for one in that area) does not mean that I do not care, that I wish anyone harm, or that I do not try to walk in a path of love. I think some people only think a path of love means to never point to less than nice things, to never do something that is difficult or say something difficult to a friend because it would be unloving, when that might be the very thing they need to hear to get their head out of their ass and do what's necessary, good, and truly loving.

[gooty64]

First, my main wish for this thread about David Wilcock is that we could get down to a discussion about the content and facts about the 4 months of information Wilcock and Fulford have released.
*One example would be that back in September Fulford was talking about 53 countries disbanding from the USA/Europe alliance, then it grew to 80 some countries, now it is 117 or even 122 as was mentioned in the recent interview. Is this not a Big Deal?
I mentioned to my local group back in Sept/Oct that on this PA forum that there was a majority who seemed to ignore or ridicule David Wilcock and his work. I even said to the group that i felt it was because they looked at Wilcock with disdain because he was a "sissy" and that they didn't believe the story of him being the re-incarnation of Edgar Cayce. I myself wasn't too sure about the re-incarnation deal but, got a strong confirmation from an older friend that indeed he felt the re-incarnation deal to be true and that he had been following Wilcock for over ten years.
So, I am comfortable with hearing what David Wilcock is presenting for the past 4 months, the information is deep and "earth shattering" IMHO.
Yesterday while reading the comments on here, I felt a strong twinge of homophobia and general disdain for Wilcock. I had a post in my head but, I left it there in order to let things work themselves out on this thread. Then again today the same feelings arose within me. Wether you like, dis-like, can't stand the site of, or whatever-why not consider the mountain of information Wilcock and Fulford have offered up for 4 months now.
I also have the strong sense that several of the posters on this thread have not delved into the information of the past several days, beginning with the Trillion dollar lawsuit article and Part 1 of the interview with Fulford and daily additional events since then.
I would just think that, why post on this thread without knowing the information that is the content that is behind the death threat and drama of recent events surrounding David Wilcock.
Please, leave it alone if you haven't done the research.
BTW I felt the disdain (homophobia) machoism or whatever you want to call it for Wilcock-months ago.
Please! I am just offering my truth on this..................looking forward to delving into the content....it's juicy....there's JFK, 9/11, Titanic, mountains of gold.....etc........

[mojo]

Mr X sounds intriguing and I wonder if there is more information about this person? It would make a really neat interview and maybe Kerry would do one so that we can hear the rest of the story or maybe Bill can tell us if he watches our threads and we could make a new thread with questions. We could probably come up with a few good ones. I recall when Kerry said something like, 'your sound is low,' and then him saying something like, 'you wouldn't believe how far away I am.'

I wonder what cell tower he picking up?...:)

[jaybee]

and the later discussion from the link

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/07/possible-links-to-a-coming-bank-holiday-in-the-ongoing-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/



Since the time I wrote the first article about this event, “The Strange Inconsistencies of the $134.5 Billion Bearer Bond Mystery”, there has been virtual silence in the media regarding any follow-up to this story. However, a little Italian-based website called Asianews.it reported the below story a couple of weeks ago that contained even more strange inconsistencies than the ones I originally reported. I’ve outlined the most prominent portions of this article below.

“Four weeks have passed since American bonds were confiscated from two Japanese men who were traveling on a direct train to Chiasso, Switzerland, and while there has been clarification of some – very few -points, Italian authorities have remained silent on the rest of the episode…The major English-speaking newspapers ignored the story for a couple of weeks. They only started to report on it after the Bloomberg agency carried a story on June 18th, in which a spokesman for the Treasury, Meyerhardt, declared that the bonds, based on photos available on the Internet, were ‘clearly false’. The same day, the Financial Times (FT) published an article whose title laid the blame for the (alleged) infringement at the feet of the Italian Mafia, despite the fact that the article failed to make even one possible connection with the episode in Chiasso.”
Furthermore, “the Financial Times (FT) published an article whose title laid the blame for the (alleged) infringement at the feet of the Italian Mafia, despite the fact that the article failed to make even one possible connection with the episode in Chiasso. Nevertheless, the version of events as reported in FT was taken up by others as being ‘appropriate’.”

When this story first broke, the Italian financial police stressed the remarkable authenticity of the 249 bearer bonds, each of $500 million denomination, and that they were indistinguishable from the real ones. If so, how would it be possible for US Treasury spokesman Meyerhardt to declare the bonds fake based upon looking at internet photos? If he declared them fake because of their alleged 1934 date, note that although this detail was provided by a Bloomberg report, apparently the alleged 1934 date of the bearer bonds was not included in any official statement issued by Italian police. Bloomberg reported that the purported 1934 date came from Colonel Rodolfo Mecarelli of the Italian financial police. If this is true, then why would Colonel Mecarelli omit this critical piece of information from his official report? And indeed, it is strange of the Financial Times to lay the blame for this bearer bond mystery at the feet of the Italian Mafia without any explanation or evidence that points to the mafia’s involvement. Very strange indeed.

On June 25th, “the New York Times reported on the story in particular, the allegations of CIA spokesman, Darrin Blackford: the U.S. Secret Service carried out inspections, as required by the Italian judiciary, and found that they were fictitious financial instruments, never issued by the U.S. government. It is not clear, however, how the checks mentioned by Blackford were carried out and whether they were also are carried out via internet. In fact according to official Italian sources the Commission of American experts, expected in Italy, have yet to arrive. Furthermore, the bonds were accompanied by a recent and original bank record. It is therefore unclear how the U.S. authorities can declare fake documentation that does not originate from the Fed or the U.S. Department of Treasury.”

Again, is any of the above believable? Are we really to believe that no US official made the trip to Italy to inspect these bearer bonds for authenticity and that US officials conducted their inspections via photos passed through the internet? Again, this makes no sense at all. Given the enormous implications regarding the indistinguishable authenticity of these bearer bonds from real bearer bonds, I would believe that a modicum of common sense would dictate that the US Treasury and US Federal Reserve immediately send agents to Italy to inspect the bonds as a matter of procedure. Even if the bearer bonds could be confirmed as fake through their serial numbers, I still find it very difficult to believe that no US official would want to personally inspect the bearer bonds in an attempt to track down the counterfeiters. The official stance that no US officials had yet arrived in Italy a couple of weeks after the discovery of the bearer bonds is very difficult to believe.

“Claims in support of the bond’s authenticity were made June 26th on the Turner Radio Network (TRN), an independent radio station broadcast via Internet. On that date in a massive exposure, TRN stated that the two Japanese men arrested by the Guardia di Finanza (GdF) and then released in Ponte Chiasso were employees of the Japanese Ministry for Treasury. AsiaNews had also received similar reports: one of the two Japanese arrested in Chiasso and then released is Tuneo Yamauchi, the brother (in-law) of Toshiro Muto, until recently vice governor of the Bank of Japan. On its website, the creator and presenter of the Radio, Hal Turner, had also claimed that his sources had revealed that the Italian authorities believe the evidence to be authentic and that the two Japanese officials are from the Japanese Ministry for Finance. They were supposed to bring the bonds to Switzerland because the Japanese government had apparently lost confidence in U.S. ability to repay its debt. Japanese financial authorities therefore were trying to sell a part of the securities in their possession through parallel channels ahead of an imminent financial disaster, thanks to the anonymity which, Turner said, is guaranteed by the laws of Switzerland.”

Certainly if the identity of one of the two Japanese men could be confirmed as the brother-in-law of the recent vice governor of the Bank of Japan, then this would seem to indicate that there is much more to this story than the “official” story that is being reported. However, all I could discover about this detail was that the identity of Tuneo Yamauchi was leaked by “confidential sources” whose reliability is unknown. So the alleged identities of the two Japanese nationals caught in possession of the bearer bonds still remain a big question mark.

“AsiaNews does not know to what extent Turner’s revelations can be held as credible, given that in this case too, it is difficult to believe that $ 134.5 billion would pass unnoticed anywhere in the world. It seems far more logical to assume that the bonds, if authentic, were directed to the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, BIS, the central bank of central banks ahead of the issuance of securities in a new supranational currency.”The only thing interesting about the above is that there have been lots of underground rumblings about the imposition of a US Bank Holiday, similar to the one imposed during the Great Depression, sometime before the end of this year for the purpose of dollar devaluation. These rumblings have allegedly originated from employees that work at US embassies all over the world, but at this point, these rumors are all anecdotal. If another Bank Holiday was in the works, then it would lend more credibility to the “authentic bearer bonds” angle, but this is a very big “if”.

“One more element in favour of the bond’s authenticity is found in the securities, which in the June 4 statement, the GdF termed “Kennedy Bonds” with photos provided. These photos reveal that the securities under discussion are not bonds but Treasury Notes, because they are securities that can be immediately exchanged for their worth in goods or services and because they are devoid of interest coupons. One side carries a reproduction of the image of the American president, the reverse side that of a spaceship. From confidential, usually well-informed sources, AsiaNews has learned that this type of paper money was issued less than ten years ago (in 1998), although it is difficult to know whether those seized in Chiasso are authentic. But the fact that the release of this particular State Treasury was not completely in the public domain tends to exclude the possibility of counterfeiting. It is highly unreasonable to suppose that a forger would reproduce a State Treasury not commonly in circulation and of which there is no public knowledge.”In the end, there truly is no possible way to separate fact from fiction in this still under-reported and largely uncovered story; however, if a Bank Holiday happens before year end, it certainly will lend significant support to the still incredulous possibility that these bearer bonds were indeed real.





Hi mountain_jim....I haven't had time to look at any of the documents yet...so thanks for picking those out.

I've just read through once so far and haven't taken in all the details properly...but it sure is a fascinating story/mystery. Of epic proportions re international finance and politics.



This paragraph jumped out at me because of the bit bolded in red...


“One more element in favour of the bond’s authenticity is found in the securities, which in the June 4 statement, the GdF termed “Kennedy Bonds” with photos provided. These photos reveal that the securities under discussion are not bonds but Treasury Notes, because they are securities that can be immediately exchanged for their worth in goods or services and because they are devoid of interest coupons. One side carries a reproduction of the image of the American president, the reverse side that of a spaceship. From confidential, usually well-informed sources, AsiaNews has learned that this type of paper money was issued less than ten years ago (in 1998), although it is difficult to know whether those seized in Chiasso are authentic. But the fact that the release of this particular State Treasury was not completely in the public domain tends to exclude the possibility of counterfeiting. It is highly unreasonable to suppose that a forger would reproduce a State Treasury not commonly in circulation and of which there is no public knowledge.”In the end, there truly is no possible way to separate fact from fiction in this still under-reported and largely uncovered story; however, if a Bank Holiday happens before year end, it certainly will lend significant support to the still incredulous possibility that these bearer bonds were indeed real.




.......spaceship?


wonder if it's got something to do with the black budget...and there has been something going on that has led to the bonds...correction...Treasury Notes...or bearer bonds....or what ever they are...getting out somehow.

Understanding economics isn't my forte but I can see from a quick read through that there are layers of subtefuge surrounding all this.

And thats only the two pages you have put here !!!!


Thanks....


:thumb:

[avid]

I have read this thread, and others elsewhere. I agree that there are those who wish to perpetrate this incident for ego.
I suggest that we take a breather, and wait for the next 'outing' via the contacts....
All of that interview made sense, but it's a précis of all previous info globally free!!! We knew all of it - but when it's condensed it helps us to focus.
Hopefully we'll not see another "Schneider suicide..." David will surely be fine, as he is the 'test-channel' for those in power. Unwittingly or not - he is being used.
I hope he is safe and stays safe...

[pilotsimone]

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[DreamsInDigital]

Mr X sounds intriguing and I wonder if there is more information about this person? It would make a really neat interview and maybe Kerry would do one so that we can hear the rest of the story or maybe Bill can tell us if he watches our threads and we could make a new thread with questions. We could probably come up with a few good ones. I recall when Kerry said something like, 'your sound is low,' and then him saying something like, 'you wouldn't believe how far away I am.'

I wonder what cell tower he picking up?...:)
Go back and reread my posts, I've said several times who this guy is. Aside from being a white hat, anyway. Not repeating myself again.

[DevilPigeon]

Maybe Bill just doesn't perceive that aspect of the guy, but I can tell you those of us that have Off Worlder/Alien Radar systems built in are in solid agreement that that guy is definitely 100% a Star Ship Captain. And, most likely 5th Planet Tau Ceti System. Or, maybe Bill was simply implying that he is "physically" on this planet, since the guy said he was 'out in the field', and that is what Bill meant by "On Planet" that he is physically here on earth.

Or maybe, just maybe, he's a regular Earth guy who's never met Darth Vader/Dr Who/Mr Spock/Klingons etc etc

I'm sorry, but I'm finding all mention of these "offworld" exotic futuristic space-age scenarios really quite ridiculous.

[161803398]

Irish accents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5Grg5KquHM


These people are speaking english: (hehe)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTzr1x6sU5o

[Elixer]

Considering the issue...
How about this idea DW and BF came out with in the earlier stages of this whole story, that there is a war between the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers?
This to me sounds like the double-headed eagle situation.

Also, the fact that Fulford says he is with the good guys and that they are supported or joined by the Rothchilds, doesn't make sense and frankly casts some doubt on the nature of these white dragon good guys.
Then again, after the Morton interview, Ben said he was going to bang on the door of the Rothchild headquarters. So where does he stand in regard to this family? (And does it even matter?)

The Rothchilds (and Rockefellers(?)) I think have been involved with everything economic in this world, possibly from the get-go.
For them to be joining the white dragons, could be them positioning themselves for the 'boom' that comes after the 'bust' that could be close at hand, what with the fiat currencies about to blow up in our faces and now the gold possibly getting devalued.

Boom-Bust can be linked to the Phoenix which was mentioned earlier in the thread. Beautiful a symbol though it may be, I think the Phoenix is also a Luciferian symbol, or signature of their modus operandi.


How about 'Occupy Rothchild', 'Occupy Rockefeller'. Has this even been suggested?
Seems like a great idea to me. Potentially very effective, since they've taken over most of the world and all we'd have to do is take them over...

[jaybee]

Considering the issue...
How about this idea DW and BF came out with in the earlier stages of this whole story, that there is a war between the Rothchilds and the Rockefellers?
This to me sounds like the double-headed eagle situation.

Also, the fact that Fulford says he is with the good guys and that they are supported or joined by the Rothchilds, doesn't make sense and frankly casts some doubt on the nature of these white dragon good guys.
Then again, after the Morton interview, Ben said he was going to bang on the door of the Rothchild headquarters. So where does he stand in regard to this family? (And does it even matter?)
..


I don't think we should have a knee jerk reaction to the mere mention of the name Rothschild and start casting doubt on the whole thing just because of this.

Benjamin Fulford is in a position to know the details more than you or I...

Gawd know's what's going on behind the scenes....but....

I am confident that Fulford is on the level and I trust him.

[Khaleesi]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I don't see that as homophobia and I'm GAY! This has devolved from people stating their opinions to unenlightened name calling.

OK! Excuse my example BUT: Even if it's not homophobia in what way do you think it's appropriate to lable David Wilcock as a "Girl wetting her pants? Is that enlightened you think? And i'm not entitled to react to these wordings?

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I'm sensing a few big egos on this thread, all getting too heavily involved in what can only be described as a big melodrama.

Maybe, but you don't have to engage, just skip the posts!

Bonne Nuit:lazy2:

I could have agreed with you if you had said it was SEXIST, as if women are the only ones that ever get emotionally upset. Let's face it. We live in a society that says "Big boys don't cry and they are not scared of the boogey man!" As for me, I saw it as a colorful way to describe the situation. Would you have preferred they said "Crying like a small child."? From what I've gathered, it was a verbal threat passed on to DW from a third party (which is heresay). He didn't wake up with a horse head in his bed, ala The Godfather! Granted, no one likes to be threatened but DW's reaction was quite astonishing to me, for someone that is enlightened.

[Elixer]

Uhm, it's not a knee jerk reaction on my part...

And it's not just the name Rothchild that is casting doubt. There was plenty of that already.
I don't mean to question his integrity. He might be 'on the level' (also a term for masons btw), but he/they might be naive as some have suggested, or messed with, or sold a bill of goods.

There are a whole bunch of questions surrounding this issue:
What if gold is as plentiful as DW and BF say it is and the further consequences for the economy? Going back to gold-backed currencies doesn't seem to be an option then.
Since it seems that economic collapse is a real possibility, wouldn't 'the dark cabal', of which the Ro's are (most likely) an integral part, have a new plan all ready to go?
How much of this is a controlled release of information?
You know, making death threats to a relatively high profile person in the alternative media, is guaranteed to raise some eyebrows, raise a lot of attention. So couldn't this whole thing getting out, be part of that plan?
and so on.

[gigha]

Mr anonymous is he off planet, shape shifter, Irish.. Scottish.. oh hold on he's South African no no maybe Australian, or Kiwi. Or just maybe he comes from??
And David Wilcox :) sorry just pissed my pants laughing Wilcock. Who cares about an accent or how you spell or pronounce a name the fact is he caused a bit of a stir and we as the little people are left feeling... well still just " little " ...I thought we came here to find answers but even those who we think have the answers treat us like the little people " Yes i know him " oh but of course you can't tell the little people more than that. Just let them argue about what accent the guy has..

And still life goes on.. breath after breath
gigha

[jaybee]

Thinking about the Rothschild connection....I did a quick search for Nathaniel Rothschild and this video is of Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi...the video isn't really relevant but the in the video description it says...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0QmyN0FIQc


Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi has been hosted at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle by the British royal family. Gaddafi claims that former Prime Minister Tony Blair is a personal friend who took an interest in advising Libya on oil revenues and finance. In 2009, he spent a weekend at Waddesdon Manor, home of financier Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, where he was the guest of Lord Mandelson and Nathaniel Philip Rothschild. He later stayed at the Rothschild holiday home in Corfu. Nathaniel Rothschild was a guest at Saif's 37th birthday celebration in Montenegro.



I am of the opinion that Gaddafi and his family are not the monsters that they are made out to be. In fact I would put them in the broadly 'goody' categorie....after the things I have learnt since the whole dreadful Liibya debacle.


The energy and personalities involved in different political dramas are going to a soup of positive and negative. Shifting around from one to the other.


What am I trying to say.....:) not sure... but thinking that Libya isn't too far away from Italy (Italy Swiss boarder is where the bonds etc were siezed.)

Libya....vast amounts of money....libya society break down.....now from what I hear in the glutches of gangs...the whole thing about the Bank of Libya being replaced by the Central Bank. If someone saw that coming...could US bonds have been removed and ended up in the hands of the two men who got caught with them.


just a little speculation....

that's all I've got for now...

:eyebrows:

[etm567]

If hearing my views regarding DW upsets some, then that is for them to examine. Why should some strangers viewpoint upset you if you are so sure of your beliefs? I have found that we usually become angry or upset with what others say if it makes us uncomfortable, which comes most often from a place of fear.


Then, clearly, you will not be offended when some of us take exception to what you say.

Surely you remember the story about Jesus and the money changers? There are times when anger is immediate and righteous. When people attack others who are vulnerable and don't have a lot of defensive weapons at their side, such may be a time.

I find that you entirely misrepresent what David Wilcock says and does. Forgive me for contradicting you, but I find that he always gives credit to the sources of his information. His work has been more valuable to me than the work of any other single human being.

May I ask, have you read any of his free books?

You yourself, who condemn David Wilcock so cavalierly, have no problem reminding us over and over and over again just how sensitive and discerning you are. You attack and attack, cut him down, and then tell us you are sensitive and you really, really do care. It is just that David Wilcock is an egotist and promotes himself.

Yes, you are entitled to your point of you. But perhaps you need not continue to tell everyone else how little you think of him, how you regard him. We've got it, we know. Some of us like him, regard him very highly, wish him health and happiness, and want him to be safe. Why must you keep insisting on presenting your entirely negative, small-hearted, resentful criticisms of him? They are yours, and you are welcome to them, but please, they are most unpleasant and need not be shared. Keep them to yourself.

I should stop, as I am feeling so incredibly angry, and as we all know, that is a time to show restraint. But there is a time when one should step up and attempt to stop the person who is throwing the stones, and I find this to be such a time.

etm: :mmph:

[bodhii71]

Soooooooooo, how's everybody doing?

Uhm, so I couldn't sit through all this bickering and speculation, just curious, did DW release the other part yet.
Thanks in advance.

Namaste

[transiten]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments

Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I don't see that as homophobia and I'm GAY! This has devolved from people stating their opinions to unenlightened name calling.

OK! Excuse my example BUT: Even if it's not homophobia in what way do you think it's appropriate to lable David Wilcock as a "Girl wetting her pants? Is that enlightened you think? And i'm not entitled to react to these wordings?

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I'm sensing a few big egos on this thread, all getting too heavily involved in what can only be described as a big melodrama.

Maybe, but you don't have to engage, just skip the posts!

Bonne Nuit:lazy2:

I could have agreed with you if you had said it was SEXIST, as if women are the only ones that ever get emotionally upset. Let's face it. We live in a society that says "Big boys don't cry and they are not scared of the boogey man!" As for me, I saw it as a colorful way to describe the situation. Would you have preferred they said "Crying like a small child."? From what I've gathered, it was a verbal threat passed on to DW from a third party (which is heresay). He didn't wake up with a horse head in his bed, ala The Godfather! Granted, no one likes to be threatened but DW's reaction was quite astonishing to me, for someone that is enlightened.

OMG!!!

I know a lot of both straight and gay pple who cry, how is it possible that you deliberatly seem to misunderstand me. I'm the first one to state what you just did that we live in a society that doesn't allow men to show their vulnerability. That's the whole point of this discussion.

Goodnight and goodbye

[shamanseeker]

More political correctness gone mad. It seems to me that there are people that log into this forum just to find something to take offense about and make silly off topic comments about.



This is not political correctness. I hate political correctness. It is saying that it isn't fair to say that David Wilcox is a cry-baby, a cissy, a little girl just because in a very stressful situation he became emotional and cried. Can we all be sure that we would not do a thing like this if we received a death threat. None of us knows what we would do in a similar situation.

I do think that this insistence that people are being too politically correct is pretty much like trolling.

[Khaleesi]

If hearing my views regarding DW upsets some, then that is for them to examine. Why should some strangers viewpoint upset you if you are so sure of your beliefs? I have found that we usually become angry or upset with what others say if it makes us uncomfortable, which comes most often from a place of fear.


Then, clearly, you will not be offended when some of us take exception to what you say.

Surely you remember the story about Jesus and the money changers? There are times when anger is immediate and righteous. When people attack others who are vulnerable and don't have a lot of defensive weapons at their side, such may be a time.

I find that you entirely misrepresent what David Wilcock says and does. Forgive me for contradicting you, but I find that he always gives credit to the sources of his information. His work has been more valuable to me than the work of any other single human being.

May I ask, have you read any of his free books?

You yourself, who condemn David Wilcock so cavalierly, have no problem reminding us over and over and over again just how sensitive and discerning you are. You attack and attack, cut him down, and then tell us you are sensitive and you really, really do care. It is just that David Wilcock is an egotist and promotes himself.

Yes, you are entitled to your point of you. But perhaps you need not continue to tell everyone else how little you think of him, how you regard him. We've got it, we know. Some of us like him, regard him very highly, wish him health and happiness, and want him to be safe. Why must you keep insisting on presenting your entirely negative, small-hearted, resentful criticisms of him? They are yours, and you are welcome to them, but please, they are most unpleasant and need not be shared. Keep them to yourself.

I should stop, as I am feeling so incredibly angry, and as we all know, that is a time to show restraint. But there is a time when one should step up and attempt to stop the person who is throwing the stones, and I find this to be such a time.

etm: :mmph:

Actually, US is quite sensitve and discerning. I should know. I live with her. Some of you would be quite surprised at her abilities. Others would not. I am rarely surprised, anymore. US is merely stating an opinion and has EVERY right to do so. After all this is a forum. I could just as easily tell you "I don't want to here your opinion anymore." but I won't because you have a right to state your opinion. She has that same right. Believe me, her feelings are not hurt that your opinion is different from her's. She simply tells things as she sees them without sugarcoating.

[smiller113]

If you do not notice that for one, DW, to have a fan club and following that one is putting themselves out to be a leader, then I cannot help you to see that fact. I agree that we do not need DW as a leader at all.

I remember a bit of wisdom that admonishes us to not be easily offended or quick to anger. I find it sage advice. If hearing my views regarding DW upsets some, then that is for them to examine. Why should some strangers viewpoint upset you if you are so sure of your beliefs? I have found that we usually become angry or upset with what others say if it makes us uncomfortable, which comes most often from a place of fear. "What if they're right and I'm wrong?" "How dare they attack my idol" (indignant worshipper energy inserted here on their part) "I don't want to face the possiblity of change because I like my paradigm and don't want to be open to what others think so I will attack them for speaking their concerns and hopefully they will shut up and besides lots of people agree with me so I must be right". These are just a few of the thoughts that I have seen mirrored via responses from those who are obviously very much supporters and/or followers of DW. It does feel like a cult following, and that's MY opinion. Like noses, we each have them, you don't have to agree, but I stand by my right to state it as this is a forum after all.

I am actually not trying to cause anyone to be angry. I do not take authority over others emotions, and I do not blame others for my emotions. Feelings are just that feelings. Unfortunately, some people do get into a tit for tat energy battle, but they are more of a distraction to me, and I am not angry about this. I simply see things differently regarding DW than some of you do. As I said before, I don't hate DW. I don't care for his energy and never have.... and yes, I am a very good energy taster.

Oh, there is plenty that I have already pointed to that I find manipulative on DW's part based on what recently occured. I have already stated my views on DW's contributions, the popularity garnered by his using other's work and just putting his twists on it. He has a huge ego and does not falter in self promoting and lifting himself up as some spiritual giant here to help us all grow into people who follow a path of love. I am reminded the the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I don't get swayed easily by my emotions, though I am very emotional. I am also very sensitive which is something very few people recognize about me. Just because I don't shrink from a fight, will stand my ground, and don't speak as diplomatically as some do (eagle9 I applaud you for one in that area) does not mean that I do not care, that I wish anyone harm, or that I do not try to walk in a path of love. I think some people only think a path of love means to never point to less than nice things, to never do something that is difficult or say something difficult to a friend because it would be unloving, when that might be the very thing they need to hear to get their head out of their ass and do what's necessary, good, and truly loving.[/QUOTE]

As a Coach, I have a responsibility to the parents and athletes I train to take care of them. Their safety and protection is my priority. If they repeatedly get seriously hurt or injured (physically or emotionally) or I continually teach them faulty technique where they do not perform up to their potential, then I am not doing my job and should be fired or find another profession. That's it! Period! No discussion!

I applaud David for all of the work he has done. That was not easy and took years of effort. Again, as a coach I can appreciate that. That is where I will leave it...unless his real intention was to get all of us charged up and connected and looking at one other as a source of support and information...in which case I would say "brilliant"!

I am really beginning to like this forum! Networking and sharing information with others from all over the world is what it's all about! I thank Bill Ryan for Project Avalon!

Unified Serenity...I like your style!!!

[jaybee]

It's clear to me that some people on this thread have agenda's.....that's all I'm going to say...:)

and etm567 has my full support in what they said.

and here's a little smiley for anyone with an agenda

:nono:


lol

[Unified Serenity]

Boom-Bust can be linked to the Phoenix which was mentioned earlier in the thread. Beautiful a symbol though it may be, I think the Phoenix is also a Luciferian symbol, or signature of their modus operandi.

How about 'Occupy Rothchild', 'Occupy Rockefeller'. Has this even been suggested?
Seems like a great idea to me. Potentially very effective, since they've taken over most of the world and all we'd have to do is take them over...

The phoenix has both a positive and a negative symbology. The ptb certainly like the symbol. I'd love to see the financial cabal removed, and a more equitable opportunity for all. I think the problems arise that they are powerful, they have no desire to be removed, and enjoy running the world and playing world chess. There is a good chance that working together and setting aside petty differences would allow for a more powerful force by our not complying with their system.

I hope you post some more elixer as I am sure you've given great thought to some solutions or opportunities.

[etm567]

First, my main wish for this thread about David Wilcock is that we could get down to a discussion about the content and facts about the 4 months of information Wilcock and Fulford have released.
...
I would just think that, why post on this thread without knowing the information that is the content that is behind the death threat and drama of recent events surrounding David Wilcock.
Please, leave it alone if you haven't done the research.
BTW I felt the disdain (homophobia) machoism or whatever you want to call it for Wilcock-months ago.
Please! I am just offering my truth on this..................looking forward to delving into the content....it's juicy....there's JFK, 9/11, Titanic, mountains of gold.....etc........

Hear, hear!

Personally, I think David Wilcock is a hero. :clap2:

And yes, as I have posted elsewhere, it is true that his presentation can sometimes be irritating. And as I have posted elsewhere on this board, I think that is due to a kind of naiveté in his writing, which reflects a lack of training as a journalistic. He overuses adjectives and writes with a kind of omniscient voice that can be very off-putting. Give me ten minutes with him, and :nono: that would go away -- I think.

When he is absorbed in a complicated, technical subject, his writing is fine. It's when he writing as he does on his blog that he makes these off-putting stylistic errors.

All that aside, the books he has written and which are freely available on his website have been more helpful to me than any other body of work I can think of. And he clearly has a big heart. A very big heart. Which he sometimes wears on his sleeve. So he is ... naive. Which makes him a perfect target for a certain kind of person.

For myself, when I see all these folks jumping on him, it just stirs up all my protective instincts. David deserves our help and support. Period. If you don't think so, keep your unhappiness and resentment to yourself. And spare yourself the angst, just don't read what he writes. Be judicious. Please.

So, I agree with you. Let's have a real discussion about the info David has provided.

etm

[Tibouchine]

Mr X sounds intriguing and I wonder if there is more information about this person? It would make a really neat interview and maybe Kerry would do one so that we can hear the rest of the story or maybe Bill can tell us if he watches our threads and we could make a new thread with questions. We could probably come up with a few good ones. I recall when Kerry said something like, 'your sound is low,' and then him saying something like, 'you wouldn't believe how far away I am.'

I wonder what cell tower he picking up?...:)


Rayelan states at the end of her post on RMN on Dec 15:

BTW... the Scottish Irishman who was talking to David is the same Shamus who worked with me for over ten years and then married me off to Gunther. Shamus is a starship captain. He is Gunther's higher self and now that I have heard his again, I know where Gunther is these days! And I hope to hell those of you who know what he is capable of are shaking in your Texan boots!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=224559

[Unified Serenity]

If hearing my views regarding DW upsets some, then that is for them to examine. Why should some strangers viewpoint upset you if you are so sure of your beliefs? I have found that we usually become angry or upset with what others say if it makes us uncomfortable, which comes most often from a place of fear.


Then, clearly, you will not be offended when some of us take exception to what you say.

Surely you remember the story about Jesus and the money changers? There are times when anger is immediate and righteous. When people attack others who are vulnerable and don't have a lot of defensive weapons at their side, such may be a time.

I find that you entirely misrepresent what David Wilcock says and does. Forgive me for contradicting you, but I find that he always gives credit to the sources of his information. His work has been more valuable to me than the work of any other single human being.

May I ask, have you read any of his free books?

You yourself, who condemn David Wilcock so cavalierly, have no problem reminding us over and over and over again just how sensitive and discerning you are. You attack and attack, cut him down, and then tell us you are sensitive and you really, really do care. It is just that David Wilcock is an egotist and promotes himself.

Yes, you are entitled to your point of you. But perhaps you need not continue to tell everyone else how little you think of him, how you regard him. We've got it, we know. Some of us like him, regard him very highly, wish him health and happiness, and want him to be safe. Why must you keep insisting on presenting your entirely negative, small-hearted, resentful criticisms of him? They are yours, and you are welcome to them, but please, they are most unpleasant and need not be shared. Keep them to yourself.

I should stop, as I am feeling so incredibly angry, and as we all know, that is a time to show restraint. But there is a time when one should step up and attempt to stop the person who is throwing the stones, and I find this to be such a time.

etm: :mmph:

I can see you take this all very personally, and something I said has hit a nerve in you. Why is it that you think you have the right to tell me what I should or should not say on this forum? This whole situation has arisen out of a very emotionally charged event shared by David. I look at facts. I look at outcome. I look at possible motives, and actions. Again, where is his update that he was told to put out and which he said he would put out quickly, only to not put it out, but go on another radio show to "help" assuage our fears.

I am also amused at the vitriol with which your message is rendered to me, someone you do not know. For someone who is such a DW fan, your message is less than given in a loving way. I could have said the same thing to you that you said to me in a more uplifting manner, but you like to fight fire with fire. I can take it. I shared how I felt. I have seen no action on DW's part to do what he said he was going to do. I also see a lot of publicity for DW and his new book. Hey, never let a good crisis go to waste, right?

Well, I won't get into a tit for tat with you. I apologize for hurting your feelings and possibly not speaking in a way that would make you feel comfortable to examine truth with me in this. I put no one on a pedistal, and seek truth no matter how uncomfortable it makes me. If attacking me has given you peace, then I am glad.

Do enjoy your night,

Serenity

[Calz]

This entire issue is incredibly timely for Hoagland. The threads around his problems have almost died out.
He must be so relieved (or maybe not...) that his buddy stole the spotlight.

You mean Hoagy is still around?

Thought he got beamed up onto the cloaked craft Elenin???

:ufo:

[Unified Serenity]

[QUOTE=joedjemal;382619]
Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I don't see that as homophobia and I'm GAY! This has devolved from people stating their opinions to unenlightened name calling.

OK! Excuse my example BUT: Even if it's not homophobia in what way do you think it's appropriate to lable David Wilcock as a "Girl wetting her pants? Is that enlightened you think? And i'm not entitled to react to these wordings?

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I'm sensing a few big egos on this thread, all getting too heavily involved in what can only be described as a big melodrama.

Maybe, but you don't have to engage, just skip the posts!

Bonne Nuit:lazy2:

I could have agreed with you if you had said it was SEXIST, as if women are the only ones that ever get emotionally upset. Let's face it. We live in a society that says "Big boys don't cry and they are not scared of the boogey man!" As for me, I saw it as a colorful way to describe the situation. Would you have preferred they said "Crying like a small child."? From what I've gathered, it was a verbal threat passed on to DW from a third party (which is heresay). He didn't wake up with a horse head in his bed, ala The Godfather! Granted, no one likes to be threatened but DW's reaction was quite astonishing to me, for someone that is enlightened.

OMG!!!

I know a lot of both straight and gay pple who cry, how is it possible that you deliberatly seem to misunderstand me. I'm the first one to state what you just did that we live in a society that doesn't allow men to show their vulnerability. That's the whole point of this discussion.

Goodnight and goodbye

Hi Transiten,

I do believe Khaleesi was addressing your asking if those comments were because people were homophobic. So, she was showing support, addressing the comments which I agree do appear sexist, but people are who they are. Many are still stuck in some thoughts regarding crying as a girls right and not a guys right etc.. I do not believe she was attacking you, and your reaction confused me. Perhaps you are a little too close to this exchange to truly see what Khaleesi said.

Love,

Serenity

[etm567]

Actually, US is quite sensitve and discerning. I should know. I live with her. Some of you would be quite surprised at her abilities. Others would not. I am rarely surprised, anymore. US is merely stating an opinion and has EVERY right to do so. After all this is a forum. I could just as easily tell you "I don't want to here your opinion anymore." but I won't because you have a right to state your opinion. She has that same right. Believe me, her feelings are not hurt that your opinion is different from her's. She simply tells things as she sees them without sugarcoating.

She doesn't just express her opinion, she active tears someone down. There is a perfectly accessible manner of expressing one's disapproval or disagreement without resorting to "attack ads." One can say, "I for one am not a follower of David Wilcock. I do not find his work illuminating or helpful." That is very different than to say that someone is an egotistical manipulator who is actively seeking a fan base. THere is a way to speak that makes clear one is not seeking to offend. It is not to say, this person is offensive offensive, offensive, ugly adjective, and so on, and why on earth do you people who like him take offense when I call him names?

Does this add anything to the discussion? No. It stops the discussion and interferes with it.

If US doesn't like David Wilcock and doesn't want to discuss the information he provides us, why does she feel compelled to get on a thread that is about David Wilcock and post negative attacks towards him? What does that add? Does it add anything? Do you think it somehow improves my life that I hear US's negativity? No.

I promise I will not shove David Wilcock down her throat. I will leave her to read what she likes to read, and to discuss what she likes to discuss. I will not seek her out and condemn those whom she likes. Nor will I choose to go onto a thread about anyone, anybody out there who does this work, just to say I don't like that person, I think they're egotistical and blah blah blah. I will just keep that to myself. Nobody needs to hear that. We are all capable of making up our own minds about those folks.

A detached discussion, on the other hand, would not be out of line.

A detached discussion, however, doesn't have words like that in it. Like "egotistical" and "fan club" and saying that he is setting himself up to be a leader. That is not a detached discussion about the content of his work. That is a "reaction" to his personality and presentation, not the content of what he is saying.

And yes, I will speak up to defend someone that I respect when others attack them in a public forum. YOu don't have to listen to me, either. YOu attack someone like David Wilcock, and I will speak up in his defense. Period.

There are different levels of "opinion." All opinion is not equal. And I do not mean by virtue of whom it belongs to, I mean by the quality of the content. Attacks like the one I am responding to are not addressing content. They are addressing personalities. That is hollow.

If you insist on defending someone's right to be ugly about someone else, that is also your right. But it will not sway my feeling or thinking. Yes, I am quite confident in my own perceptions. And I will not jump into any discussion to criticize someone who has not first attacked someone else. I will jump in to defend someone. I guess this may be viewed as my criticizing. But I am criticizing someone who is attacking someone else. Someone else is throwing that first punch. Can you imagine me posting out of the blue some really negative comments about US? No, I don't think so. I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't attack anyone out of the blue. If I disagreed with someone or mistrusted someone, I could say that with pointing fingers, calling names and insulting. There is a big difference.

ETM

[Elixer]

Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi has been hosted at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle by the British royal family. Gaddafi claims that former Prime Minister Tony Blair is a personal friend who took an interest in advising Libya on oil revenues and finance. In 2009, he spent a weekend at Waddesdon Manor, home of financier Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, where he was the guest of Lord Mandelson and Nathaniel Philip Rothschild. He later stayed at the Rothschild holiday home in Corfu. Nathaniel Rothschild was a guest at Saif's 37th birthday celebration in Montenegro.


There is the idea that Gadaffi was taken out, partly in order for these families to install another central bank. These meetings with Gadaffi may have been to try to convince him to play along. If so, I guess he didn't.

It's also said that now there are only 3 countries left without a 'Rothchild controlled central bank'.
The main source for this appears to be GLP, so who knows, but it makes the point. These Ro's have control over large parts of the world, so for them to be involved with the White Dragons does raise questions.
What do Ben and David say to this?
It might be too soupy to even expect clear answers in this context, but a little clarity would be nice (.... as would a little more serenity;))

[yiolas]

I think that there is enough drama going on in the world. So lets stop the squabbling over semantics. The bottom line is that David Wilcock was dabbling in matters that he naively thought he could handle. My heart went out to him when I heard him cry on Kerry's radio show. This is serious business. I hope that he finds the fortitude to handle the situation. We are all tested to our limit at times. Let's see if he's got the stuff.
Good Luck David, my prayers are with you.

[etm567]

I haven't read this whole thread yet. I apologize then if I am speaking out of turn. I was busy transcribing that interview, which was very long.

I am so angry I can barely contain myself.

Because David broke down emotionally, some of you are calling him names?

I felt for David when he did that, as I have, all of my life, been the type of person to break down and sob at inopportune moments. There is no way anyone can stop that from happening. On the 2012 site, Steve Beckow made an enlightened comment about that moment, talking about how the body, the body, mind you, in a big-hearted person like David can respond utterly without warning. I shall have to go find that comment and come back and post it. Because that is what happened to David.

The people on this thread who are attacking David for a response that is 100 percent authentic -- who are you? Are you heroes? Do you save children from bad people? Do you swoop down from the sky and pluck heedless victims out of harm's way? Who are you to judge someone in David's situation? Have you been in a similar situation? Do you know that it is like to be in his situation?

I remember vividly the day I learned that my father had been killed in an accident. I did what I thought nobody ever really did -- I feel to my knees, screaming, No! No! No! over and over, sobbing uncontrollably, like I never had before, and probably never will again. It was very dramatic, indeed. Thank god the only audience there to see me was my best friend, and my brother who was on the phone. Who I hung up on, by the way. I slammed that phone down so fast, as if doing so could turn the clock back to a time when I didn't know my father had been killed. By the way, he was killed on January 1, 1991, that's 1.1.1911. I always thought that was weird. He wasn't wearing a seatbelt, because he had a fear of being trapped in a burning car. So he died immediately. Oddly enough, he also died the same way his half-sister had died perhaps 30 years earlier, when she was 16. Odd coincidence, yes? They were both thrown out of the window of an out-of-control, skidding car, and the car then flipped and landed on them, his half sister back in the 1960s, and then my dad in 1991.

Oh, well.

Apologies for the diversion.

Everyone may not like David. That's okay. He deals with that. I don't know if I could. But he does. And so many of you who are dishing it out, I can't help but wonder how well you would deal with it. I don't know. But attacking someone in a vulnerable position is so ugly. It is ugly. And it offends my heart.

My point was that David responded in an authentic way that was not concerned about what each of you may think about him. Thank goodness David is up to doing that. He keeps going, no matter how much ugliness is piled onto him, and I think he rarely, if ever, returns the favor. Kudos to David.

Big boys don't cry? I beg to differ. I think only the biggest boys can cry.

And I should read more of this thread before responding more. I keep trying to, and then I am seized with the need to stand up for David, who is not here to defend himself. You tough guys are just so, so, so.... So so-so. How about that? Innocuous enough? Certainly not impressive in any way.

[Unified Serenity]

Actually, US is quite sensitve and discerning. I should know. I live with her. Some of you would be quite surprised at her abilities. Others would not. I am rarely surprised, anymore. US is merely stating an opinion and has EVERY right to do so. After all this is a forum. I could just as easily tell you "I don't want to here your opinion anymore." but I won't because you have a right to state your opinion. She has that same right. Believe me, her feelings are not hurt that your opinion is different from her's. She simply tells things as she sees them without sugarcoating.

She doesn't just express her opinion, she active tears someone down. There is a perfectly accessible manner of expressing one's disapproval or disagreement without resorting to "attack ads." One can say, "I for one am not a follower of David Wilcock. I do not find his work illuminating or helpful." That is very different than to say that someone is an egotistical manipulator who is actively seeking a fan base. THere is a way to speak that makes clear one is not seeking to offend. It is not to say, this person is offensive offensive, offensive, ugly adjective, and so on, and why on earth do you people who like him take offense when I call him names?

Does this add anything to the discussion? No. It stops the discussion and interferes with it.

If US doesn't like David Wilcock and doesn't want to discuss the information he provides us, why does she feel compelled to get on a thread that is about David Wilcock and post negative attacks towards him? What does that add? Does it add anything? Do you think it somehow improves my life that I hear US's negativity? No.

I promise I will not shove David Wilcock down her throat. I will leave her to read what she likes to read, and to discuss what she likes to discuss. I will not seek her out and condemn those whom she likes. Nor will I choose to go onto a thread about anyone, anybody out there who does this work, just to say I don't like that person, I think they're egotistical and blah blah blah. I will just keep that to myself. Nobody needs to hear that. We are all capable of making up our own minds about those folks.

A detached discussion, on the other hand, would not be out of line.

A detached discussion, however, doesn't have words like that in it. Like "egotistical" and "fan club" and saying that he is setting himself up to be a leader. That is not a detached discussion about the content of his work. That is a "reaction" to his personality and presentation, not the content of what he is saying.

And yes, I will speak up to defend someone that I respect when others attack them in a public forum. YOu don't have to listen to me, either. YOu attack someone like David Wilcock, and I will speak up in his defense. Period.

There are different levels of "opinion." All opinion is not equal. And I do not mean by virtue of whom it belongs to, I mean by the quality of the content. Attacks like the one I am responding to are not addressing content. They are addressing personalities. That is hollow.

If you insist on defending someone's right to be ugly about someone else, that is also your right. But it will not sway my feeling or thinking. Yes, I am quite confident in my own perceptions. And I will not jump into any discussion to criticize someone who has not first attacked someone else. I will jump in to defend someone. I guess this may be viewed as my criticizing. But I am criticizing someone who is attacking someone else. Someone else is throwing that first punch. Can you imagine me posting out of the blue some really negative comments about US? No, I don't think so. I wouldn't do it.

I wouldn't attack anyone out of the blue. If I disagreed with someone or mistrusted someone, I could say that with pointing fingers, calling names and insulting. There is a big difference.

ETM

Excuse me ETM, but I think you are misguided if you think this thread was started for discussing DW and his insights. It's about the radio program and what apparently was happening to DW. It evolved into his reactions, other's feeding into that situation, and the veracity of truth or disinfo about it, and if so where it was coming from and what the intended outcome was. I do NOT go onto "DW is the best" threads and say what I think about him. Quite frankly, you are a perfect example of what I was referring to earlier in regards to the very people who claim to want tolerance to be shown to you and in fact you show none yourself. I listened to the interview live. I read his energy. I am amazed at his shock over it all. I am further amazed that the very thing he was told to do and which he agreed to do has not been done. It was after all for his own protection and he thinks the threat was very real.

You sir do not have the right to tell me what to post here. If a mod wants to tell me to stop posting on this thread then I shall. I do not believe I have attacked any forum members. I have stated my feelings about DW, his past self promotion, his cult following, and my perception of what has happened. I respond to posts that I think I have something to add to that offers a different viewpoint or possibility. I have no sacred cows. I am very firm in my spiritual path, and there is nothing you can say regarding those whom I hold in high regard that would make me respond to you as you have to me. I would deal with each point I disagree with and offer my proof as to why I see it differently. As for me saying DW and his "Fan Club (http://www.facebook.com/#!/TheDivineCosmos)", I took that right from his own freaking site! Take it up with DW if you don't like the idea of him having a fan club.


http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71179_164263463594741_2432740_n.jpg

I quote:


Personal information This page was created by David Wilcock because some people cannot see David's first public fan page, www.facebook.com/DivineCosmosConvergence

[jaybee]

I think that there is enough drama going on in the world. So lets stop the squabbling over semantics. The bottom line is that David Wilcock was dabbling in matters that he naively thought he could handle. My heart went out to him when I heard him cry on Kerry's radio show. This is serious business. I hope that he finds the fortitude to handle the situation. We are all tested to our limit at times. Let's see if he's got the stuff.
Good Luck David, my prayers are with you.

the thing is he DID handle it

all he did was cry.......people have emotional releases. Someone earlier on the thread said...and I agree with them...that it's easy to cry when you
are feeling stressed and/or upset and then someone says something nice to you and somehow the emotion wells up and has a release.

I think Kerry's friendship, words and support had this release effect.

If he had slammed the phone down, rushed to the nearest airport and fled to a secret location...THAT would be NOT handling it.

IMO

[yiolas]

Thanks Jaybee and etm567, its comforting to know that there are real people out there who have experienced all kinds of situations and can empathise and understand human emotion. I think its time to get this conversation on the right track again.

[Unified Serenity]

Saif Al-Islam Gaddafi has been hosted at Buckingham Palace and Windsor Castle by the British royal family. Gaddafi claims that former Prime Minister Tony Blair is a personal friend who took an interest in advising Libya on oil revenues and finance. In 2009, he spent a weekend at Waddesdon Manor, home of financier Jacob Rothschild, 4th Baron Rothschild, where he was the guest of Lord Mandelson and Nathaniel Philip Rothschild. He later stayed at the Rothschild holiday home in Corfu. Nathaniel Rothschild was a guest at Saif's 37th birthday celebration in Montenegro.


There is the idea that Gadaffi was taken out, partly in order for these families to install another central bank. These meetings with Gadaffi may have been to try to convince him to play along. If so, I guess he didn't.

It's also said that now there are only 3 countries left without a 'Rothchild controlled central bank'.
The main source for this appears to be GLP, so who knows, but it makes the point. These Ro's have control over large parts of the world, so for them to be involved with the White Dragons does raise questions.
What do Ben and David say to this?
It might be too soupy to even expect clear answers in this context, but a little clarity would be nice (.... as would a little more serenity;))

Can you give me the site or somewhere to go read up on these three countries. I know Norway (I think it was Norway) recently told the world bank to go pound salt. I'm not sure if the white dragon society is just another world wanna be master. It seems we are on a collision course regarding where we will go with our future. The sheep are waking up, we are arguing about stuff which is good, because we are at least thinking now. For too long we have been just chewing our cud as it were.

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I think that there is enough drama going on in the world. So lets stop the squabbling over semantics. The bottom line is that David Wilcock was dabbling in matters that he naively thought he could handle. My heart went out to him when I heard him cry on Kerry's radio show. This is serious business. I hope that he finds the fortitude to handle the situation. We are all tested to our limit at times. Let's see if he's got the stuff.
Good Luck David, my prayers are with you.

the thing is he DID handle it

all he did was cry.......people have emotional releases. Someone earlier on the thread said...and I agree with them...that it's easy to cry when you
are feeling stressed and/or upset and then someone says something nice to you and somehow the emotion wells up and has a release.

I think Kerry's friendship, words and support had this release effect.

If he had slammed the phone down, rushed to the nearest airport and fled to a secret location...THAT would be NOT handling it.

IMO

Where is part II that supposedly had so much devestating information they were willing to kill him to keep it from coming out? Just curious as that seemed to be what a lot of the interview centered on, and DW said he was going to release it ASAP, as I recall. Ah, well. Let's not get all caught up in the facts, and let's certainly not wonder about the information fed to us.

[noxon medem]

Kerry said on Sean David Mortons radio show that

She does know anonymous
-- True.

That the Irish accent was fake
-- True.

That he is at a higher level than the people making the threat
-- Could be.

That he is absolutely legitimate
-- Depends what you mean.

That he did issue a serious warning using code words that was heard loud and clear
-- Possible. I'm not party to any code words used, so I'm not in a position to comment.

She also implied that he was off world (or that he works off world)
-- Not true. That's where the pantomime gets a little silly.

She said that the insider that relayed that warning to David is at a VERY high level, absolutely legitimate and brilliant
-- Correct: I know this man also. He's an extraordinary person, and I believe his intentions are honorable. But in the past, he's once or twice been known to exaggerate, and some of his claimed or reported numbers, on various matters, have been shown to be incorrect. That wasn't important at the time, however, and none of that may have any bearing on the accuracy of the reported death threat. I believe it's quite possible -- for obvious reasons -- that David upset some people at a high level. Exactly how much danger David really was in is of course impossible to say. As has been much discussed here, there could be any number of games going on, at different levels (or overlapping), and with varying intentions. The sophistication of the psyops that can sometimes be deployed is significant.

Keyword being : http://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime

And point being , Bill .

In a radio show , how big a part could an inaudioable
thing like a pantomime play ?

Radio Pantomime is a truly novel concept .
(you have to hear it , to visualize it ..).

Silence matter !


..
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well, well

:)

[WhiteFeather]

Kudos David, I Simply Love What Your Doing, Wanishi. Keep up the great work that you are doing on this Planet, You opened up my eyes and many others eyes as well.


http://infinicity.org/images/cast/davidW.jpg

[etm567]

Excuse me ETM, but I think you are misguided if you think this thread. It's about the radio program and what apparently was happening to DW. It evolved into his reactions, other's feeding into that situation, and the veracity of truth or disinfo about it, and if so where it was coming from and what the intended outcome was. I do NOT go onto "DW is the best" threads and say what I think about him. Quite frankly, you are a perfect example of what I was referring to earlier in regards to the very people who claim to want tolerance to be shown to you and in fact you show none yourself. I listened to the interview live. I read his energy. I am amazed at his shock over it all. I am further amazed that the very thing he was told to do and which he agreed to do has not been done. It was after all for his own protection and he thinks the threat was very real.

You sir do not have the right to tell me what to post here. If a mod wants to tell me to stop posting on this thread then I shall. I do not believe I have attacked any forum members. I have stated my feelings about DW, his past self promotion, his cult following, and my perception of what has happened. I respond to posts that I think I have something to add to that offers a different viewpoint or possibility. I have no sacred cows. I am very firm in my spiritual path, and there is nothing you can say regarding those whom I hold in high regard that would make me respond to you as you have to me. I would deal with each point I disagree with and offer my proof as to why I see it differently. As for me saying DW and his "Fan Club (http://www.facebook.com/#!/TheDivineCosmos)", I took that right from his own freaking site! Take it up with DW if you don't like the idea of him having a fan club.


http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/71179_164263463594741_2432740_n.jpg

I quote:


Personal information This page was created by David Wilcock because some people cannot see David's first public fan page, www.facebook.com/DivineCosmosConvergence



I am not suggesting that you not post. I am suggesting you leave out the attacks on someone who is not here to defend himself.

A fan page on Facebook is not the same thing, in my book, as a fan club.

As I have stated several times, I understand that David Wilcock can be very off-putting. I agree that he comes across as ego-centric. In addition, I have posted what I think the reasons are for him coming across that way. I guess I think I am even more sensitive than you are, and I think I can see further into David's soul than you can. I think you are judging him very superficially, and on that level I would probably agree with you.

That is the difference I am talking about -- the surface, the presentation, versus content, the soul, and what one actually does.

I am also the kind of person who has often been misunderstood, like David. It used to be the bane of my existence. I have a moon in Leo in the 11th house, conjunct Pluto. Very dramatic, I'm afraid. But I grew older and eventually learned that I really come across to other people very differently than I see myself. It is truly a hard lesson, to see what other people see when they look at you. It is a lesson David has not yet learned, and he is, indeed, off-putting. His naive mistakes in style in his writing make him look like he considers himself to be omniscient. But I think David doesn't really believe that. He works hard to gather information, make a true judgment about it, and share that with us. He also shares his concerns about the value of the information.

Anyone who does what he does, or what Ben Fulford does, is setting themselves up to be an easy target. Neither of them has ever said, to my knowledge, that they are absolutely sure about what they are telling us -- unless it is to say something like "This is what happened to me," which is a personal experience.

They both qualify their information as coming from sources, and they do their best to judge their sources. They could be wrong. They acknowledge that. They both risk that all the time.

So, no, I am not telling you what you may or may not post. I am asking you to refrain from criticizing in a very personal way someone that you personally do not like. It is fine for you to dislike him. Of course, you can say you dislike him. You can do that without calling him names or insulting or trying to humiliate him, without making fun of him, without trying to tear him down, which is to do him harm. I think what I am trying to say is you don't have to get personal.

It may be, of course, that you yourself are coming across in a way that you do not perceive. Maybe I do not see you and the way you attack David in the same way that you see yourself. That, I think, is David's biggest crime, if one can call it a crime. He can't see himself as others see him, and makes certain mistakes in his presentation. It is possible that the same is true for you, and that I misunderstand you. The way you come across to me is that you are being very personally insulting toward David, rather than saying you don't care for him or his work.

You know how victims sometimes appear to be guilty? I think the same thing goes sometimes for very modest people or insecure people. I think, if anything, David is insecure, and consequently comes across sometimes as egotistical. Think about it: there are probably some very public people that you would not find it at all offensive for them to have a fan page. I can't think of a good example. Maybe a teacher or writer of some kind.

David can do things that other people can do and get away with, but when he does them, they come across all wrong. I sympathize with him, because I have had that same problem, although I hope I have outgrown it.

David is like an open book. He is absolutely and categorically not "cool." He has no carefully constructed public persona. It's like he's all right there. And he's self conscious in a way that is unsettling to observers. Until, that is, he gets into what he is talking about. And then that discomfort, at least for me, goes away. His manner changes. When he gets going on his presentation, all that business about David, David personally, falls away.

Boy, do I feel inarticulate. Many successful professionals can speak about their work in a way that is not off-putting. When David speaks about his work, he breaks many rules, he is inappropriate. And that is off-putting. Yes, it is quite off-putting. I agree. But that is all superficial.

I would like to ask again, have you read the three free books on his website? Are you judging him based solely on his blog articles, and his videos? Which would be based solely on his presentation of himself, rather than this actual work? Which,by the way, is actually quite considerable.

I apologize if I am out of line, and I haven't read the whole thread. I know I need to do that. I apologized in another response, I think, for not having read it all. I keep trying to read it, and I get that need to defend David. I have very likely been quite self-righteous and obnoxious, but I won't take it back. So I'm obnoxious. That is okay with me.

Maybe you could read his books and we could discuss that, instead of discussing HIM? Peace.

I am sorry if I have done what I accuse you of doing, of attacking personally. That is what I try not to do, and truly what I wish you would not do. If I did lose myself and do that out of anger, I am sorry. But I still find personal attacks on David out of line.

And, by the way, when you his "his cult following," you are implying that I am a cult follower. I strongly take exception to that. I'm not a follower at all. I will defend him. I have read his free books, and they were life-changing for me, and not in an airy-fairy, transcendental kind of way, but because of the astonishing amount of science that he presented that all fits together like a puzzle.

And I am not a he, I am a she.

ETM

[Unified Serenity]

Excuse me ETM, but I think you are misguided if you think this thread. It's about the radio program and what apparently was happening to DW. It evolved into his reactions, other's feeding into that situation, and the veracity of truth or disinfo about it, and if so where it was coming from and what the intended outcome was. I do NOT go onto "DW is the best" threads and say what I think about him. Quite frankly, you are a perfect example of what I was referring to earlier in regards to the very people who claim to want tolerance to be shown to you and in fact you show none yourself. I listened to the interview live. I read his energy. I am amazed at his shock over it all. I am further amazed that the very thing he was told to do and which he agreed to do has not been done. It was after all for his own protection and he thinks the threat was very real.

Anyone who does what he does, or what Ben Fulford does, is setting themselves up to be an easy target. Neither of them has ever said, to my knowledge, that they are absolutely sure about what they are telling us -- unless it is to say something like "This is what happened to me," which is a personal experience.

They both qualify their information as coming from sources, and they do their best to judge their sources. They could be wrong. They acknowledge that. They both risk that all the time.

Maybe I do not see you and the way you attack David in the same way that you see yourself. That, I think, is David's biggest crime, if one can call it a crime. He can't see himself as others see him, and makes certain mistakes in his presentation. It is possible that the same is true for you, and that I misunderstand you. The way you come across to me is that you are being very personally insulting toward David, rather than saying you don't care for him or his work.

David is like an open book. He is absolutely and categorically not "cool." He has no carefully constructed public persona. It's like he's all right there. And he's self conscious in a way that is unsettling to observers. Until, that is, he gets into what he is talking about. And then that discomfort, at least for me, goes away. His manner changes. When he gets going on his presentation, all that business about David, David personally, falls away.

I apologize if I am out of line, and I haven't read the whole thread. I know I need to do that. I apologized in another response, I think, for not having read it all. I keep trying to read it, and I get that need to defend David. I have very likely been quite self-righteous and obnoxious, but I won't take it back. So I'm obnoxious. That is okay with me.

Maybe you could read his books and we could discuss that, instead of discussing HIM? Peace.

I am sorry if I have done what I accuse you of doing, of attacking personally. That is what I try not to do, and truly what I wish you would not do. If I did lose myself and do that out of anger, I am sorry. But I still find personal attacks on David out of line.

And, by the way, when you his "his cult following," you are implying that I am a cult follower. I strongly take exception to that. I'm not a follower at all. I will defend him. I have read his free books, and they were life-changing for me, and not in an airy-fairy, transcendental kind of way, but because of the astonishing amount of science that he presented that all fits together like a puzzle.

And I am not a he, I am a she.

ETM

Thanks for your message ETM, and I will address the things you have said which I do believe have merit in a little bit. In the mean time, I am amused that you are I are like cesium and water. We are both aggressive in our speech when provoked, and strongly loyal to those whom we hold dear. Thanks for the update on your sex. Many (if they don't see my pic) assume I am a guy when I post, so my apologies. I'm sure we'd make a hell of a battle team or get lots of money if there were a mud pit nearby recently.

[etm567]

A little ways upthread I mentioned something Steve Beckow said about David's reaction, which I found to be very perceptive and well expressed. Here it is.

http://the2012scenario.com/2011/12/our-response-to-the-threats-on-davids-life/


I’d like to put in context the fact that David when he comes on the air is in tears.

In the growth movement, some years ago, we would say that “the body has a mind of its own.” I learned this one year when I heard that a relative had died and I repeat this here to assist us to appreciate what may be happening for David.

I reacted to the news that my uncle had died only minimally at the time. I hadn’t heard from him or seen him in perhaps twenty years. Nonetheless, in the middle of the night, I sat bolt upright in bed and burst into uncontrollable sobs. My conscious mind was not affected by the death of my uncle, but some part of it, much deeper, was uncontrollably affected.

I imagine the same thing happened for David. His bursting into tears should not, I think, be taken as an indication of fear but is probably the reaction of another layer of the mind which is beyond conscious control.

It was just a reaction. None of us knows how we will react in a given situation until it happens to us.

And as far as where is part two, if it was so important...

I never understood this part at all. In a way, David was given a warning, told to get part two out immediately, because he wouldn't have a chance if he didn't. So it was a threat, and a warning, and actually attempted to get him to do the part two. It was pushing him to put part two up. It seems like if this threat came from people who really didn't like David and wanted to harm him, they would have said the opposite -- if you put part two up, then you will get into serious hot water.

So, as Both Bill and Kerry have said, these psy-ops and games seem to have too many levels for simple-minded folk like me to possibly understand. I have no idea what is really going on. I did think that the Irish accent might be fake, but it was definitely meant to be Irish. "Laddie" and "lassie" struck me as Scottish. I had trouble understanding everything that he said.

The point is, though, that there does seem to be some truth to the business about the lawsuit. As much as we can find out, I think, that is. And that is the point, isn't it?

Then, on another level, what that actually means isn't clear to me, either. So, what if they've actually had gold behind the world currencies? Has it really been backing up the currencies, or has it been stolen by the bankers to make gold more valuable, and provide them with more control of currencies? Is gold really worth something? If it is, then they have it all, or most of it, and don't want to give it back to its rightful owners. So it must have some real value to them.

This currency business, unfortunately, remains over my head.

ETM

[jaybee]

Where is part II that supposedly had so much devestating information they were willing to kill him to keep it from coming out? Just curious as that seemed to be what a lot of the interview centered on, and DW said he was going to release it ASAP, as I recall. Ah, well. Let's not get all caught up in the facts, and let's certainly not wonder about the information fed to us.

enjoying yourself are you?


and re the countries not in the Central Bank..Iran, Cuba, North Korea :rolleyes:
google is your friend.


to anyone who wants to discuss the info and whatnot about the Lawsuit....the links and documents on David's site....I would suggest you start a separate thread. There is too much trolling here...

I will be interested in a thread like that myself but I'm not going to be around for a few days.

[marielle]

Has anyone been looking into the information on this at RumorMill? I've spent lots of time over the last couple of days over there, along with another site called AbundantHope and there is lots to learn. The Nexus Editor said this is old news, but not to me. The more I dig into this, the more shady this Neil Keenan guy looks. I'm not getting a good feeling about him or his motivations. If anyone has a different opinion or understands why David would fall in with these people, please explain.

[alienHunter]

well as that one kid said, "I see dead people"...well, I see stupid people. Can you identify yourselves?

[derek]

Check out Kerry's update on her blog

projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[Elixer]

The info about the 3 countries without central bank, like I said comes mainly from GLP... Many other links seem to go back there as well.
With friends like Google, who needs nme's? I use the scroogle...

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1680855/pg1

http://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/ljk44/only_4_countries_left_without_a_rothschild/

There is some activity around this on the Ron Paul forums as well:
http://www.dailypaul.com/150269/countries-with-no-central-bank

List of all central banks:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_central_banks

World Map of central banks which looks quite impressive:
http://centralbank.monnaie.me/

Even PA comes up in the search results:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?34251-Rothschild-Central-Banks-In-ALL-BUT-3-Countries-Now..-


The question around the value of gold is interesting as well, especially since the DW/BF saga pretty much revolves around it.
What is it that makes it so 'preciousss', since you can't eat it? Or can you?

I think, but this is far out, that it might actually go to the issue of monatomic gold.
The gold powder, Stardust (Bowie's Ziggy?).
When ingested, it is said to enhance telepathy, repair DNA and enhance or even ignite conscioussness.
It is allegedly what the alchemists were really after. It is what the Anu may have really needed it for as well. They were a falling race that lost the ability to transfer knowledge telepathically and required gold (powder) to compensate for this.

It is well plausible to me that these global control freaks have been using this stuff for ages and that it is partly what actually sets them apart from the rest of us. Gold then is not so much used to back currency, but primarily as a drug.
It then becomes a variation on the drug-trafficking and big-pharma schemes 'they' have been running.

Dan Winter emphasizes the point that all though it is a positive thing, it can lead to addiction and corruption, if not combined with the proper spiritual hygiene.
If 'they' have been using it all this time, in combination with their alleged Luciferian belief structures, it would certainly help explain the mess we find ourselves in today.

This is the one area where I see why gold is so important and so valuable.
The issue then goes to concioussness as well.

[WhiteFeather]

Great Message Here From Jack Nicholson.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPMmC0UAnj0

[gooty64]

Has anyone been looking into the information on this at RumorMill? I've spent lots of time over the last couple of days over there, along with another site called AbundantHope and there is lots to learn. The Nexus Editor said this is old news, but not to me. The more I dig into this, the more shady this Neil Keenan guy looks. I'm not getting a good feeling about him or his motivations. If anyone has a different opinion or understands why David would fall in with these people, please explain.

Hi Marielle, apparently this Candace author of Abundant Hope website has accused David Wilcock of being involved with the CIA. Use discernment, it gets murky......

[gooty64]

Where is part II that supposedly had so much devestating information they were willing to kill him to keep it from coming out? Just curious as that seemed to be what a lot of the interview centered on, and DW said he was going to release it ASAP, as I recall. Ah, well. Let's not get all caught up in the facts, and let's certainly not wonder about the information fed to us.

enjoying yourself are you?


and re the countries not in the Central Bank..Iran, Cuba, North Korea :rolleyes:
google is your friend.


to anyone who wants to discuss the info and whatnot about the Lawsuit....the links and documents on David's site....I would suggest you start a separate thread. There is too much trolling here...

I will be interested in a thread like that myself but I'm not going to be around for a few days.

Regarding Part 2; Well hey that is why they did the urgent interview with Kerry Cassidy about 1 hour after David Wilcock received the death threat which may be why he was so raw and unprepared emotionally--he had just gotten the threat 1 hour before the talk with Kerry.
Also, stated right in the interview Wilcock says that he had just given the thrust of part 2 in the interview. Also, at the end of the interview, Kerry gives David the airwaves to add any last details of Part 2.
I would suspect Part 2 will be quite anti-clamactic since the information is already in the interview. Part 2, i'm guessing, will mainly repeat the info from the interview and give the documentation and sources.
If ya'll had researched the interview in question and the 4 months of the body of work that Wilcock and Fulford have presented this thread would not be so sidetracked-IMHO.

[161803398]

http://www.bpslaw.com/brochures-bios/mulligan.pdf

http://www.bpslaw.com/

Info about the lawyers

[meredith]

well as that one kid said, "I see dead people"...well, I see stupid people. Can you identify yourselves?

For damn sure, I'm stupid. I know that much.

[etm567]

Hi Marielle, apparently this Candace author of Abundant Hope website has accused David Wilcock of being involved with the CIA. Use discernment, it gets murky......

I think Candace of Abundant Hope is not to be trusted. I think she is honest, but I think she passes on disinformation, probably unknowingly.

[etm567]

Has anyone been looking into the information on this at RumorMill? I've spent lots of time over the last couple of days over there, along with another site called AbundantHope and there is lots to learn. The Nexus Editor said this is old news, but not to me. The more I dig into this, the more shady this Neil Keenan guy looks. I'm not getting a good feeling about him or his motivations. If anyone has a different opinion or understands why David would fall in with these people, please explain.

The Nesara story is kind of old. And Candace was one of the early proponents of it. I cannot necessarily vouch for the veracity of my information, but sources that I have decided to trust have for some years said that as a source Candace had become corrupted. This was years ago.

And as far as RMN goes, I find interesting information there. As far as Neil Keenan goes, you will find arguments going back a long time over this. Pro Neil, against Neil, pro Neil -- Which is kind of what David did. He came out and said he distrusted this, then he did his research, and decided to trust it.

So, from my point of view, given all the conflicting info, if there is someone I trust, it is David Wilcock. Please don't reply to this comment about your personal feelings toward him. I'm well aware of those, and that many do not like him or approve of him. From my point of view, and the materials I have read, and the books by David I have read, and because of the Law of One, I have decided I trust David.

If the Law of One is bull****, then maybe David should not be trusted. I do not think the Law of One is bull****, so I trust David.

If I trust David, and tend to trust Ben, but do not always trust all of Ben's info, and if David then does a great deal of research regarding Ben's statements, and comes to change his mind and back up Ben's statements, that tends to make me come down on the side of David and Ben and Neil Keenan. I am thankful to David for doing that work.

I also trust Steve Beckow, and Steve tends to trust David, and recently Steve has revealed information about Nesara which I have found helpful. So, that's how I decide: who on the internet do I trust? Who do they trust? What adds up?

I'm sure around every story, like Nesara, there is mountains of good info, and mountains of disinfo hooked onto that. This is a real lawsuit. That's pretty convincing.

So I'm convinced.

[Cottage Rose]

Excuse me ETM, but I think you are misguided....

I am not suggesting that you not post. I am suggesting you leave out the attacks on someone who is not here to defend himself.

A fan page on Facebook is not the same thing, in my book, as a fan club.

As I have stated several times, I understand that David Wilcock can be very off-putting. I agree that he comes across as ego-centric. In addition, I have posted what I think the reasons are for him coming across that way. I guess I think I am even more sensitive than you are, and I think I can see further into David's soul than you can. I think you are judging him very superficially, and on that level I would probably agree with you.

That is the difference I am talking about -- the surface, the presentation, versus content, the soul, and what one actually does.

I am also the kind of person who has often been misunderstood, like David. It used to be the bane of my existence. I have a moon in Leo in the 11th house, conjunct Pluto. Very dramatic, I'm afraid. But I grew older and eventually learned that I really come across to other people very differently than I see myself. It is truly a hard lesson, to see what other people see when they look at you. It is a lesson David has not yet learned, and he is, indeed, off-putting. His naive mistakes in style in his writing make him look like he considers himself to be omniscient. But I think David doesn't really believe that. He works hard to gather information, make a true judgment about it, and share that with us. He also shares his concerns about the value of the information.

Anyone who does what he does, or what Ben Fulford does, is setting themselves up to be an easy target. Neither of them has ever said, to my knowledge, that they are absolutely sure about what they are telling us -- unless it is to say something like "This is what happened to me," which is a personal experience.

They both qualify their information as coming from sources, and they do their best to judge their sources. They could be wrong. They acknowledge that. They both risk that all the time.

So, no, I am not telling you what you may or may not post. I am asking you to refrain from criticizing in a very personal way someone that you personally do not like. It is fine for you to dislike him. Of course, you can say you dislike him. You can do that without calling him names or insulting or trying to humiliate him, without making fun of him, without trying to tear him down, which is to do him harm. I think what I am trying to say is you don't have to get personal.

It may be, of course, that you yourself are coming across in a way that you do not perceive. Maybe I do not see you and the way you attack David in the same way that you see yourself. That, I think, is David's biggest crime, if one can call it a crime. He can't see himself as others see him, and makes certain mistakes in his presentation. It is possible that the same is true for you, and that I misunderstand you. The way you come across to me is that you are being very personally insulting toward David, rather than saying you don't care for him or his work.

You know how victims sometimes appear to be guilty? I think the same thing goes sometimes for very modest people or insecure people. I think, if anything, David is insecure, and consequently comes across sometimes as egotistical. Think about it: there are probably some very public people that you would not find it at all offensive for them to have a fan page. I can't think of a good example. Maybe a teacher or writer of some kind.

David can do things that other people can do and get away with, but when he does them, they come across all wrong. I sympathize with him, because I have had that same problem, although I hope I have outgrown it.

David is like an open book. He is absolutely and categorically not "cool." He has no carefully constructed public persona. It's like he's all right there. And he's self conscious in a way that is unsettling to observers. Until, that is, he gets into what he is talking about. And then that discomfort, at least for me, goes away. His manner changes. When he gets going on his presentation, all that business about David, David personally, falls away.

Boy, do I feel inarticulate. Many successful professionals can speak about their work in a way that is not off-putting. When David speaks about his work, he breaks many rules, he is inappropriate. And that is off-putting. Yes, it is quite off-putting. I agree. But that is all superficial.

I would like to ask again, have you read the three free books on his website? Are you judging him based solely on his blog articles, and his videos? Which would be based solely on his presentation of himself, rather than this actual work? Which,by the way, is actually quite considerable.

I apologize if I am out of line, and I haven't read the whole thread. I know I need to do that. I apologized in another response, I think, for not having read it all. I keep trying to read it, and I get that need to defend David. I have very likely been quite self-righteous and obnoxious, but I won't take it back. So I'm obnoxious. That is okay with me.

Maybe you could read his books and we could discuss that, instead of discussing HIM? Peace.

I am sorry if I have done what I accuse you of doing, of attacking personally. That is what I try not to do, and truly what I wish you would not do. If I did lose myself and do that out of anger, I am sorry. But I still find personal attacks on David out of line.

And, by the way, when you his "his cult following," you are implying that I am a cult follower. I strongly take exception to that. I'm not a follower at all. I will defend him. I have read his free books, and they were life-changing for me, and not in an airy-fairy, transcendental kind of way, but because of the astonishing amount of science that he presented that all fits together like a puzzle.

And I am not a he, I am a she.

I agree with your post. Thank you for expressing these ideas.

[aranuk]

I think that there is enough drama going on in the world. So lets stop the squabbling over semantics. The bottom line is that David Wilcock was dabbling in matters that he naively thought he could handle. My heart went out to him when I heard him cry on Kerry's radio show. This is serious business. I hope that he finds the fortitude to handle the situation. We are all tested to our limit at times. Let's see if he's got the stuff.
Good Luck David, my prayers are with you.

the thing is he DID handle it

all he did was cry.......people have emotional releases. Someone earlier on the thread said...and I agree with them...that it's easy to cry when you
are feeling stressed and/or upset and then someone says something nice to you and somehow the emotion wells up and has a release.

I think Kerry's friendship, words and support had this release effect.

If he had slammed the phone down, rushed to the nearest airport and fled to a secret location...THAT would be NOT handling it.

IMO

David was crying before Kerry started empathising with him.
Listen to the audio.

Stan

[misericordia]

Update on Duncan O'Finioan's Blog

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Here are some excerpts.

Wilcock, Death Threat, Dog and Pony Show, Lions, Tigers, and Bears, Oh no . . .
December 17, 2011 at 7:00 pm (News, Rants)
This post is one of the most asked for writings we have ever done. I don’t know why. I really don’t. As the world turns, so are the days of our lives . . .

I will try to be brief, however, something tells me this is going to turn into a very long-winded (reading) affair.

David Wilcock, you know we have several mutual friends. it is on behalf of one of them, who you really need to be thankful for, that I will be using the writing style that I am now. Keep that in mind as you read this.

But before we launch into the whole Wilcock/death threat/dog and pony show, please allow me to let you know the wheres, the hows, and the whys of where come from as I write this so you, the reader, will have a better understanding of why I say some of the things that I do.

I’m not going to sit here and for the next 10,000 lines and rehash the whole MK ULTRA/taken as a child/tortured etc. No. If you don’t know by now who I am, use Google or go to our site. What I want to deal with is the here, the now, and what’s to come.
...
You are what is commonly known as a “funnel”, a mouthpiece, and I’m not just talking about you, David Wilcock. there are literally hundreds of other funnels/mouthpieces out there. There are the Jonses, the O’Reillys, the Becks, etc. — they’re a dime a dozen to these people. They serve a purpose and nothing more, to whichever side decides to use them.

Like I said many words ago — harsh. damn straight it’s harsh. These are harsh times, and just about to get even harsher. I’m only going to say this one time to you, David Wilcock: You, along with your fan base, have a chance to actually do something good. Here’s my strong suggestion to you: Take to the airwaves, and apologize for your behavior, i.e. crying like a wet kitten, because, David, I have heard you at conferences and on interviews, talk the talk so many times. When it came time for you to stand up and walk the walk ,you fell flat on your face.
...

And please, David, tell your fan base that ‘Anonymous’ with your interview with Kerry, to at least go public and be honest and let the people know that he is a mutual friend and no, he is not in a spaceship X-kilometers out in deep space, that he’s down on terra firma. I mean come on, David. You’ve got a chance, David, You’ve been handed this opportunity. Do something good with it.

[Cottage Rose]

Regarding Part 2; Well hey that is why they did the urgent interview with Kerry Cassidy about 1 hour after David Wilcock received the death threat which may be why he was so raw and unprepared emotionally--he had just gotten the threat 1 hour before the talk with Kerry.
Also, stated right in the interview Wilcock says that he had just given the thrust of part 2 in the interview. Also, at the end of the interview, Kerry gives David the airwaves to add any last details of Part 2.
I would suspect Part 2 will be quite anti-clamactic since the information is already in the interview. Part 2, i'm guessing, will mainly repeat the info from the interview and give the documentation and sources.
If ya'll had researched the interview in question and the 4 months of the body of work that Wilcock and Fulford have presented this thread would not be so sidetracked-IMHO.

Yes, I believe DW stated the only additional info necessary to complete "Part Two" after his statements in the interview would be a report of his discussions with Keenan's Attorney.

[jackovesk]

well as that one kid said, "I see dead people"...well, I see stupid people. Can you identify yourselves?

How about having a good look into this mirror 1st...before casting stones on those that have contributed to this thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar9559_1.gif.....http://static4.bonluxat.com/cmsense/data/import/thumb/middle_josef-frank-mirror_wp.jpg

Yet another dump & run...:nono:

:focus:

[TraineeHuman]

I’d like to ask in general terms what the “Irishman” and his associates are willing to do to help ensure the court case proceeds without hindrance and even gets fairly and impartially heard and judged. I would say that’s considerably more useful than paying DW a visit in a week’s time. Such a visit would be fine, too. But how about putting first things first?

[Duncan O'Finioan]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Take it for what it is....

[Duncan O'Finioan]

Not a god's damn thing!!!! How's that ferr ye answer?/

[Duncan O'Finioan]

LET'S GO PEOPLE!!!!! Here is my reply. and I need sleep!!

[Bill Ryan]

To Bill:

Is the insider who relayed the info to David about the death threat, the same person who told him about the DUMBS?

I'm afraid I don't know the answer to that.



Don't you think Bill ought to tell us how he knows this man is not off-world?

I know him personally. I'm afraid Rayelan's nonsense about "Shamus" can be discounted. :)




****

From Duncan's blog post, just published:

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/wilcock-death-threat-dog-and-pony-show-lions-tigers-and-bears-oh-no


And please, David, tell your fan base that ‘Anonymous’ with your interview with Kerry, to at least go public and be honest and let the people know that he is a mutual friend and no, he is not in a spaceship X-kilometers out in deep space, that he’s down on terra firma.

[norman]

If this thread is about to get focused and serious, how about actually switching to a new one with a more acurate title, and closing this one?

[Duncan O'Finioan]

Too much Bill, My friend??
Wilcock has an invite here.
Will he accept it.....
OR....well....go the way of the damned......
YOU BILL RAYAN.....are one of the hand full of souls, after all this time, I will go into the depths of hell to pull out!
Miranda,,,IS NOW, WAS THEN, AND ALWAYS SHALL BE...MINE AND I HERS!! THE TRUE ONEESS!!

[modwiz]

Thank you Duncan for that piece. The generosity extended by you may go unnoticed by some, maybe many. You have honored David with forthrightness and the offer of your considerable friendship. The deeper meaning of your piece and not individual words or phrases are what matters.

Hail Greywalkers. Until the end.

[Bill Ryan]

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http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/wilcock-death-threat-dog-and-pony-show-lions-tigers-and-bears-oh-no/


Now to you, David, and everyone out there who reads this: Friendship for Miranda and I is a bond. If you wish to know how far we take that bond, and how low into hell I will travel to pull someone out, talk to Bill Ryan. He’ll tell you. If you are someone who I fight with, I work with, and I believe in, and if you are under my protection, I will always do the same thing. But the number of people who have that honor from me, you can count on the fingers of one hand.

Hi, Duncan!

Thanks, Buddy: proud to stand by you, too.

[karelia]

This:


If you are willing to work with us and to uphold the same cause that we do, with honor and a true, sincere desire to help people, we would love to work together with you and we will extend all our support and protection to you.

I hope David W knows just how lucky he is to have such an offer extended to him.

Many of us muddle through, trying our damn best to do the right thing, and yet never know if we actually are on the right path.

[Gardener]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Take it for what it is....

Compassionate truth.
ty
g

[norman]

Looks like ther are those who can just feel it and there are those who are away reading a very long blog post and have yet to return to to the greetings and bondings.

Thanks Duncan. Your post was a cracker and alarmingly sobering.

[161803398]

I dont know anything about this site:http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/

but I love this headline "Batty Satanic cult which controls G5 Western suicide capitalism falls for international law enforcement sting"

[norman]

I dont know anything about this site:http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/

but I love this headline "Batty Satanic cult which controls G5 Western suicide capitalism falls for international law enforcement sting"

The long and winding progression from:

honest enterprise - to - crony capitalism - to - crisis capitalism - to suicide capitalism - the chink, chink, the chains of doom.

The scale of their guilt will be measured by how many honest people they drag down with them before they stick their hands up.

[jackovesk]

Thanks for your words of 'Truth' Duncan...

...and Thanks for getting this Thread, back on 'Track'...

Rgs,

Jack

[Sebastion]

I gotta say that it's absolutely refreshing to see someone stand up and tell it like it is. Fine job Duncan!

[Jeffrey]

***REMOVE/EDIT***


This post was a bit off-topic. I moved my post to a new thread -- here (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36984-Preparing-For-Tomorrow-Today-The-Way-of-The-Peaceful-Warrior&p=383423&viewfull=1#post383423) -- in order to properly address it's content.

[Sync]

Duncan.

Ass clowns- I love it!

In speaking about "Ragnarøkr," or the time of the "doom of the powers," do you see yourself as Fenrir, wolf child of Loki... controlled by Tyr by the use of the magic chain, "Gleipnir?"

If you have bitten off Tyr's hand, does the thin ribbon of Gleipnir hold strong? It must, since Ragnarøkr has not yet arrived.

Do you know who Odin's son is yet?

[woodshreder]

I am by know means questioning the validity of David's claim his life had been threatened. What I see is a unfamiliar reaction by David who has spent an enormus amount of his lifes work convincing those who have yet to awake that. " Fear". is what tptw perpetuate upon humanity to control and enslave them . So my question is why a man that claims we are all divine beings with tremendous abilitys that have yet to be bestowed upon us. Buying into fear ? It just seems very contradictory.... Just an observation. Peace always Peace

[etm567]

I have read this thread, and others elsewhere. I agree that there are those who wish to perpetrate this incident for ego.
I suggest that we take a breather, and wait for the next 'outing' via the contacts....
..

You are certainly welcome to take a breather any time you feel like doing so. As is anyone else. That is always available, to anyone who wishes to take a break, back off, rest a while, or... whatever.

[Logan]

Thanks for the blog Duncan... a very sober assessment of the situation. I was initially drawn into the whole dog and pony show as you call it, and I feel like a bit of a chump for it. I know you're clearly correct about the way things would be handled if there was an actual threat. No phone calls, just a bullet in the head. I've never been shot, but I once had guns put to my head over 85 cents and it's not a pleasant experience.

[etm567]

I dont know anything about this site:http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/

but I love this headline "Batty Satanic cult which controls G5 Western suicide capitalism falls for international law enforcement sting"

LOL, many times over. By the way, I am much too old to be using "LOL", but that's how insipiring your note was! Many thanks.

[Sync]

Its easy to talk love, light, and no fear when there is no one actively threatening you.

DW's source said he would be tortured, and he was. It was psychological torture, which resulted in public humility. Ironically, it was his 'friend' that tortured him- a common occurrence. Other techniques of psy torture include shunning, exploitation of phobias, sleep and sensory deprivation, solitary confinement, psychopharmacological or electromagnetic manipulation, hypnosis... these are all fair game and don't leave marks.

DW broke quickly. And yes, it does make him look very bad. Almost as bad as constantly referring to the Aztec Sun Stone as the Mayan Calendar in his new book, which I could barely read due to unacademic and sloppy fact-checking.

That being said, I like DW and Duncan for different reasons.

[Unified Serenity]

I have never witnessed such a reversal and albeit ass kissing in my entire life! Duncan is right on the mark, and I was as well. I get ripped to shreds for five pages by those who don't like anyone calling out DW's actions the other night. There is a war going on. Energy is real, and those of you who bought into it were used. Then this whole drama of fighting with anyone who did not show the kind of support some of you wanted shown was more crap.

I am not surprised how unevolved we all are at this time. I seriously doubt many of us have much of a chance. God forbid anyone disagrees with someone that many hold dear. God forbid anyone questions events for the truth. I am done with this thread. The hypocracy is beyond belief!

edit: spelling error, not unusual for me. Plus guess what everyone. The entire human race is under a death threat! Some of you will die horrible deaths. Some of you will die peacefully in your sleep. Two things are guaranteed in this life, Death and taxes!

[Sync]

DW may be cocky, he may even be a jackwagon asshat, but he is also a human. And, as such, should be shown compassion.

The dude was really scared. It only takes a perception of imminent threat of loss of life to receive PTSD. Duncan, please realize that your alters were created in a somewhat similar manner (albeit much more dramatic, dangerous, and ritualistic... not a single point trauma- especially on a child who was drugged whose Orbital Frontal Cortex had not yet formed). When threatened with no chance to escape, a psyche will later either create a hypercortisolic PTSD response or a Dissociation of Identity response... another personality.

People who are reacting strongly to this thread should look deeper into themselves. This is reminding them of something else. Beware of being controlled by your visceral reactions to events. It makes you easy to predict and manipulate... just like DW was.

After all, this is an internet forum. It is of no consequence to real life. So chill.

[DNA]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Take it for what it is....

I just don't understand the venom and vitriol. Let's just say for a moment that your most damning accusation is true, that the ascension thing is BS. So what?
How is this so damaging? It's not like a heaven's gate cult, David isn't asking anybody to don their black nikes and eat the never wake up berries.

Is it because David is making money? Is this professional jealousy? Because that is exactly what it looks like to me.
If you spent half the energy David did trying to inform and educate the masses I might take some of what you say seriously, but really, I can't.
Your diatribe is, well, infantile, and predicated on the energy of anger in order to make your point.

You come off like a high school bully ready to stuff the nerd in the locker.

[161803398]

http://ishtarsgate.wordpress.com/2011/12/14/armegeddon-and-the-return-of-the-asian-dragon/

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/06/the-strange-inconsistencies-behind-the-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/ (inconsistencies in the story)

http://www.theundergroundinvestor.com/2009/07/possible-links-to-a-coming-bank-holiday-in-the-ongoing-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery/ (more inconsistencies)
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December 14, 2011

Project Camelot (Kerrie Cassidy) Interview with David Wilcock - CLICK HERE TO GO TO THE AUDIO FILE

In case you had a hard time understanding what “Anonymous” said:

“We don’t need to investigate. We have ways and means of knowing everyone’s information, everyone’s computer. We don’t need a thing. We do it in a different way. We have no physical material requirements – at all. No machinery as you understand it.”

“We’re the sort of folk that don’t follow you after the heart attack when you die son, we’ll be there on the other side to bother you again. Be assured that we can bother them just as effectively after the deaths of their physical bodies. And don’t talk about torture in this life, talk about torture in lives that go on for thousands of generations.”

“Do you understand what I’m saying? Do you understand the depths of what we’re talking about? And this phone call is coming from so far beyond you could could never appreciate it.”

You’ve got a friend in a very high place David. An all knowing, all seeing friend in a very high place (off world). Continue to do what you have been called to do. He told you to put it all out there. All of it, as long as it was truth. So do it. You got a green light from the company of heaven. That’s as good as it gets.

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http://www.granddelusion.com/tag/neil-keenan/

[etm567]

I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Why should your reaction mean anything limiting regarding David's reaction? Surely you recognize you are two different people and would therefore quite possibly have two different reactions to the same stimulus? Is there some reason that the fact that you had a different response in some way invalidate David's reaction, which was to me quite obviously authentic?

[etm567]

Why are there so many here, that feel they need to repeatedly state their position on this matter? Need to convince yourself?
Why do we discuss the drama more than the actual issue? Surely not because it has all been laid out for us. There seems so much to discuss in this area? Why is this not really happening (in general?)?

Thank you for the very accurate observations and equally valid points.

[jcocks]

Wow what a thread <chukcle>...

All I can say is thank you for your peice Duncan. I am a follower of Davids' site. I believe he is a good man, and if he is misleading his readers, he is doing so unwittingly.

I hope, as a follower of his works, that he takes up your offer. His work would then , shall we say, go "up a notch".....

Will be interesting to see which way he goes from here....

[modwiz]

I dont know anything about this site:http://alcuinbramerton.blogspot.com/

but I love this headline "Batty Satanic cult which controls G5 Western suicide capitalism falls for international law enforcement sting"

Thanks for that post. With the speed of things these days it was almost dated. I spent hours reading all of the info there. It covered some things that slipped under the radar. Great piece.

[transiten]

I have never witnessed such a reversal and albeit ass kissing in my entire life! Duncan is right on the mark, and I was as well. I get ripped to shreds for five pages by those who don't like anyone calling out DW's actions the other night. There is a war going on. Energy is real, and those of you who bought into it were used. Then this whole drama of fighting with anyone who did not show the kind of support some of you wanted shown was more crap.

I am not surprised how unevolved we all are at this time. I seriously doubt many of us have much of a chance. God forbid anyone disagrees with someone that many hold dear. God forbid anyone questions events for the truth. I am done with this thread. The hypocracy is beyond belief!

edit: spelling error, not unusual for me. Plus guess what everyone. The entire human race is under a death threat! Some of you will die horrible deaths. Some of you will die peacefully in your sleep. Two things are guaranteed in this life, Death and taxes!

serenity a truly scorpionic post answered by another scorpio.... honestly speaking only on my own behalf it was the wordings not the criticism of david's work or whether he's got a big ego or not that "triggered" me and i felt personally offended since i am both weak and strong and don't want anyone make me feel inferior being labelled as "wetting my pants crying like a girl" since i am a woman and i can cry like a girl and that should not be used against anyone....i'm off picking borecole for X-mas a tradition in sweden..no pun intended...just happened to be the word in my dictionnary..thanks...lol...in my allotment before my train leaves 12.42..i'll go for the peaceful death in bed:tape:

.............stream of consciousness....................

[transiten]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Take it for what it is....

I just don't understand the venom and vitriol. Let's just say for a moment that your most damning accusation is true, that the ascension thing is BS. So what?
How is this so damaging? It's not like a heaven's gate cult, David isn't asking anybody to don their black nikes and eat the never wake up berries.

Is it because David is making money? Is this professional jealousy? Because that is exactly what it looks like to me.
If you spent half the energy David did trying to inform and educate the masses I might take some of what you say seriously, but really, I can't.
Your diatribe is, well, infantile, and predicated on the energy of anger in order to make your point.

You come off like a high school bully ready to stuff the nerd in the locker.

Hmmm as Ra says: This dimension is not for understanding:hug:

[astrid]

"What appears and disappears is not real"

Sri Ramana Maharshi

Get it??

[DevilPigeon]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/

Take it for what it is....

I just don't understand the venom and vitriol. Let's just say for a moment that your most damning accusation is true, that the ascension thing is BS. So what?
How is this so damaging? It's not like a heaven's gate cult, David isn't asking anybody to don their black nikes and eat the never wake up berries.

Is it because David is making money? Is this professional jealousy? Because that is exactly what it looks like to me.
If you spent half the energy David did trying to inform and educate the masses I might take some of what you say seriously, but really, I can't.
Your diatribe is, well, infantile, and predicated on the energy of anger in order to make your point.

You come off like a high school bully ready to stuff the nerd in the locker.

Replace "ascension" with "snake oil" and see if you're happy with what you posted.... And btw, I genuinely believe DW believes what he thinks, so it's probably not a case of outright deception... This is merely to highlight that despite good intentions etc, people may well be backing a lame horse.

[joedjemal]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments



Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I never said that, check my comments. And as for homophobia... I'm gay.

[DNA]

Replace "ascension" with "snake oil" and see if you're happy with what you posted.... And btw, I genuinely believe DW believes what he thinks, so it's probably not a case of outright deception... This is merely to highlight that despite good intentions etc, people may well be backing a lame horse.

How about I replace "ascension" with "a cup of coffee", or how about you replace devilpigeon with angelfish, kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a conversation.

Regardless if some aspect of what David is doing turns out to be an error in judgement, the guy is throwing tons of material together. If some small part of the tapestry he weaves happens to fray, it doesn't mean the rest of the work is invalidated.

And what is to lose by backing a lame horse? Who is the lame horse? This is not a zero sum game. This isn't a horse race of one winner and the rest losers, this is philosophical growth we are talking about. This is challanging one's paradigms and growing through the contemplation of revised history and physics, some pretty cool sh!t.

[jaybee]

.

As David has been accused of 'wetting his pants and crying like a girl'...and also now by Duncan... 'crying like a wet kitten', .... and a 'wet, hungry, dirty, baby'

:nono:



Here's one for the girls


7JTBt2z1mR4


one for the kittens


http://i779.photobucket.com/albums/yy78/beeejay/fun/llolcat.jpg


and one for the babies


Hooid1LJ9Kc



see ya

:p

[astrid]

Update
"Miranda here. Finally got this idiot showered and to bed. This post is actually only about one third of what he wanted to type. He, as am I — we’re tired. It may be a couple of days before either one of us posts anything. We, together, collectively, my mate Duncan and I, are doing our best with the Greywalkers to keep the peace, to save souls.

We need help. We truly need help. We need human beings to drop preconceived notions, to think for themselves, to open their eyes, and say

“Yes, I will fight for one, and I will fight for all.”
We need your help."

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/18/gnight/

[transiten]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments



Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I never said that, check my comments. And as for homophobia... I'm gay.

Hi joedjemal! Here we go again...read my answer to serenity below, have to finish packing:

:jester:day, love was such an easy game to play, now i need a place to hide away, oh i believe in Jester-Gay:grouphug:

[DevilPigeon]

Replace "ascension" with "snake oil" and see if you're happy with what you posted.... And btw, I genuinely believe DW believes what he thinks, so it's probably not a case of outright deception... This is merely to highlight that despite good intentions etc, people may well be backing a lame horse.

How about I replace "ascension" with "a cup of coffee", or how about you replace devilpigeon with angelfish, kind of defeats the whole purpose of having a conversation.

Regardless if some aspect of what David is doing turns out to be an error in judgement, the guy is throwing tons of material together. If some small part of the tapestry he weaves happens to fray, it doesn't mean the rest of the work is invalidated.

And what is to lose by backing a lame horse? Who is the lame horse? This is not a zero sum game. This isn't a horse race of one winner and the rest losers, this is philosophical growth we are talking about. This is challanging one's paradigms and growing through the contemplation of revised history and physics, some pretty cool sh!t.

I was answering specifically on the point of ascension - if people are pinning their hopes totally on what may well be a glorified story, then that means their well-intentioned energy is wasted by travelling up to what amounts to be a cul-de-sac. That's where the harm is.

And yes, you're correct in that other aspects of his work may well be very useful. I'm not disputing that.

[joedjemal]

You've lost me. I disapproved of what I considered self serving behaviour. What has that got to do with teeth?

:pound::laugh: "An eye for an eye"

Same thing, It doesn't matter what David did or did not, whether he is STO or STS etc. It's about the wordings in some of the comments



Ever heard of Gandhi? Nonviolence? Not striking back?

And what if your friends are being manipulated and possibly harmed (in quite an abstract way admittedly) do you say nothing? Allow the harm to continue? Or do you point out the absurdity of the situation, the way the thing is flowing? I said his public collapse took the cake or words to that effect and pointed out that his reaction differed from what I had experienced in a real and much more immediate threat situation, a view echoed by others. This is harming the truthseeker movement. My comments were not meant to harm him but to point out that I think he is causing harm with deliberate drama. Anyway, if you won't hear me you won't so this is pointless.

Of Course, if you're 100% SURE David is manipulating you must say so, but one doesn't have to offend all the women and men that show their feelings and cry by saying "Wetting his pants and cry like a GIRL" Is that homophobia or what?

I never said that, check my comments. And as for homophobia... I'm gay.

Hi joedjemal! Here we go again...read my answer to serenity below, have to finish packing:jester:-day. love was such an easy game to play, now i need a place to hide away, oh i believe in jesterday:grouphug:

Have fun harvesting. :)

[transiten]

UPDATE SATURDAY 10.45.PM (from Davids blog on DivineCosmos)

The new article has forced me to do a lot of research and preparation, including a summary overview before I go into the interview section. However I must say it is truly remarkable to see how it is all coming together.

I really love writing and other than The Source Field Investigations this is the most inivgorating and amazing trail of research i've ever gotten involved in. The stakes are high but the amazement factors are off the charts.

Once I finish Part Two I have to send it off to the others involved for a final profread and approval-but hopefully we can get this all cleared up and posted tomorrow.

Thanks again for all your courage and support in helping me promote this vitally needed truth, i do truly owe you my life as if you didn't care about this story, i could have disappeared

The truth will not be stopped. Humanity will be set free. This is what we need to do to create the world we deserve.

[transiten]

Remeber Mercury just got moving direct and not until that Cosmic Jester reaches the degree he started the retrogradation these communication delays and collapses will be cleared out.

[Jenci]

Thanks Astrid, for posting Miranda's update here.


Update
"Miranda here........ We need human beings to drop preconceived notions, to think for themselves, to open their eyes,

I've emphasised the words that people need to think for themselves.

In this thread, Bill has alluded to the fact that Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.
Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?
Why were they both keen on stressing to the audience that the caller was off-world?

As Miranda says, people to think for themselves.
I agree.

Jeanette

[grapevine]

Thinking Jenci . . . . thinking . . . :)

[modwiz]

I like working with archetypes as concepts. The Michael Material (http://www.michaelteachings.com/) lays out 7 basic archetypes that work very well and allow for quite a bit of complexity because of polarities within the archetypes and then continue through to the many qualities that can be the foundations the archetypes sit on. The archetypes almost like a capstone to a trait and quality subset foundation, with polarities at each quality/trait level. With that being said in these teachings the types are called roles. Server, priest, warrior, scholar, king, sage and artisan.


So, where am I going with this in this thread at this time with all that has gone down and been said these past few days? Do I really have to tell you? Just in case, a little bit:

I believe we, the alternative community are made up of many kinds of people. Big revelation, huh? There are a few I am not sure about and this is not about them. This is about the ones who bring something to the rest of us and keep us waiting for more. David and Duncan are both these kinds of people. Whether they like it or not, they are our celebrities. There is no avoiding it, unless they wish to stop posting and go into hiding. Even then, they will haunt our consciousness because of the work they have both done already. With that said, it is possible to be in full support of both of them at the same time without it being a contradiction. We will call it walking and chewing gum. We can also call it emotional maturity and higher awareness where there really are no opposites in the whole sense. The roles I have given above are one way to free us of good and bad. Even in the subsets where + or - qualities are assigned there is still a math of assembling these varying negative and positives. The sage role has expression as a positive manifestation and oration as the negative one. The system has a brilliance and balance that can be a very good step for breaking away from the black and white lies of reality perception to the glorious greys.

Hail the Greywalkers

I'll let you people assign what roles you think they each belong to. I feel confident with Duncan as a warrior. I am very glad the system has the richness of the subsets because the term warrior seems way too shallow to begin to capture the depth of the spirit we know as Duncan O'Finioan. There is another possibilty in the roles that would also capture the intensity and dedication but I do not wish to say any more about the man than I already have. Talking about him feels almost disrespectful and that is not the point of this post. Which is to bring understanding and cohesion to the community. Let us be passionate, frank and honest in our discussions but never with the goal or result of fracturing. Division is our poison. Once again the black and white of agree or disagree, friend or enemy is a false scenario. At least amongst ourselves, in the family we are trying to be.

There is a group who have decided we are not family, that we are their prey. I am comfortable calling them an adversary. That is also not my reason for posting though.

David, what role is he? I feel safe saying he is not a warrior. He has a different and equally important role. Scholar or sage would be my guess, but it is just a guess.

The beauty of the roles is how important they all are. There is no best role objectively, only the best role for you to do your Earthwalk in for whatever purpose/karma you are here for.

That is enough from me. Suffice it to say, we are to be thankful for the huge contributions that both of these men have given the community. They both have blogs open to the public with no fee to pay. Show them support in whatever way feels right for you. Letting both of them know they are appreciated is equally important.

[apokalypse]

i'm amaze people still trying to discredit David instead of look at the information and lawsuit asking question like what these secret groups is going with this? what kind of game they playing? if they are both of the same coin then what happen next? ..ect.


people really need to step up fight back, take responsibility and make decision...the game already started battle for the control of humanity.

[modwiz]

i'm amaze people still trying to discredit David instead of look at the information and lawsuit asking question like what these secret groups is going with this? what kind of game they playing? if they are both of the same coin then what happen next? ..ect.


people really need to step up fight back, take responsibility and make decision...the game already started battle for the control of humanity.

The lawsuit and the important back story represent a real light in a shadowy time. The Ben Fulford story, realized, is a history changer. In the swamps of fear porn a piece of dry land with fresh water for all and mosquito free emerges. We are not standing on it yet, but a view of it has been revealed. A happy dance should at the ready. A smile is certainly called for.

[Bill Ryan]

Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.

That's correct.




Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

Yes, he was. David did know the caller. (He knows him well). In the interview, It wasn't obvious to me whether David knew who this was at the time, or whether he was bring deceived for the sake of the theater.

It was clear who it was, and Kerry confirmed this in a phone call to me the following day. But it's possible that David was under such stress that he wasn't aware what was happening.

It's also possible that he was going along with the pantomime for dramatic effect, allowing Kerry to host the show in the way she chose.

I still do not agree that this was at all the right thing to do in the name of clarity and transparency. Anyone in the Pentagon / CIA / military of any country would immediately have known who this was. It seems to me, as far as I can see, that the 'dog and pony show' was just for public consumption.

Kerry certainly had very little time to judge a proper response. She handled it all pretty well. But bringing 'Anonymous' on I feel strongly was an error of judgment. It turned it into a farce... and he did slip in misdirects which are unhelpful distractions when everyone is just wanting to know the truth.

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.



So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?


Good point. I can assure you, as can Duncan, that he was a fallible, ordinary mortal, firmly rooted right here with the rest of us.

[Billy]

I hope the exagirated or organized Drama has not taken away from the importance of the message and situation. Duncan i think has helped ground the drama with his blog.
If like Duncan says the court case collapses or goes nowhere, at least many more thousands of souls will be more awake and aware of the ongoing situation.

I think Kerry managed to do what was required in the moment, maybe it would have been better for Annoymous and David to communicate in private, but saying that i enjoyed listening to Annoymous and he did manage to calm David down, Now that he has been heard, hopefully Kerry will have a chance to interview Annonymous in the near future when he can put all things in a better perspective for everyone.

[ulli]

If this was done just for public consumption then the real question remains,
'Who is doing the feeding?'
And until we can find the answer to that question instead of a feeding frenzy we might consider doing a cleansing fast....

[modwiz]

I hope the exagirated or organized Drama has not taken away from the importance of the message and situation. Duncan i think has helped ground the drama with his blog.
If like Duncan says the court case collapses or goes nowhere, at least many more thousands of souls will be more awake and aware of the ongoing situation.

I think Kerry managed to do what was required in the moment, maybe it would have been better for Annoymous and David to communicate in private, but saying that i enjoyed listening to Annoymous and he did manage to calm David down, Now that he has been heard, hopefully Kerry will have a chance to interview Annonymous in the near future when he can put all things in a better perspective for everyone.

I think the case may die, but the cutting off of the cabal from the rest of the world while they pass the same money back and forth to fake solvency will not last. I think the suit is a way to overload their nervous systems and force them into ever worse decisions. I think the case is inconsequential to the bigger movement by the non-aligned nations with the USA being bankrupt and a weakened tiger. Huge movements are afoot internationally. Moving at the speed of a glacier but also the gravity of one.

[M6*]

You are "on target" concerning your take on this, I believe! Take care M6*

[M6*]

Thanks for taking the time to write this out. I need to dig into some of this a little bit more. M6*

[sygh]

I like working with archetypes as concepts. The Michael Material (http://www.michaelteachings.com/) lays out 7 basic archetypes that work very well and allow for quite a bit of complexity because of polarities within the archetypes and then continue through to the many qualities that can be the foundations the archetypes sit on. The archetypes almost like a capstone to a trait and quality subset foundation, with polarities at each quality/trait level. With that being said in these teachings the types are called roles. Server, priest, warrior, scholar, king, sage and artisan.


So, where am I going with this in this thread at this time with all that has gone down and been said these past few days? Do I really have to tell you? Just in case, a little bit:

I believe we, the alternative community are made up of many kinds of people. Big revelation, huh? There are a few I am not sure about and this is not about them. This is about the ones who bring something to the rest of us and keep us waiting for more. David and Duncan are both these kinds of people. Whether they like it or not, they are our celebrities. There is no avoiding it, unless they wish to stop posting and go into hiding. Even then, they will haunt our consciousness because of the work they have both done already. With that said, it is possible to be in full support of both of them at the same time without it being a contradiction. We will call it walking and chewing gum. We can also call it emotional maturity and higher awareness where there really are no opposites in the whole sense. The roles I have given above are one way to free us of good and bad. Even in the subsets where + or - qualities are assigned there is still a math of assembling these varying negative and positives. The sage role has expression as a positive manifestation and oration as the negative one. The system has a brilliance and balance that can be a very good step for breaking away from the black and white lies of reality perception to the glorious greys.

Hail the Greywalkers

I'll let you people assign what roles you think they each belong to. I feel confident with Duncan as a warrior. I am very glad the system has the richness of the subsets because the term warrior seems way too shallow to begin to capture the depth of the spirit we know as Duncan O'Finioan. There is another possibilty in the roles that would also capture the intensity and dedication but I do not wish to say any more about the man than I already have. Talking about him feels almost disrespectful and that is not the point of this post. Which is to bring understanding and cohesion to the community. Let us be passionate, frank and honest in our discussions but never with the goal or result of fracturing. Division is our poison. Once again the black and white of agree or disagree, friend or enemy is a false scenario. At least amongst ourselves, in the family we are trying to be.

There is a group who have decided we are not family, that we are their prey. I am comfortable calling them an adversary. That is also not my reason for posting though.

David, what role is he? I feel safe saying he is not a warrior. He has a different and equally important role. Scholar or sage would be my guess, but it is just a guess.

The beauty of the roles is how important they all are. There is no best role objectively, only the best role for you to do your Earthwalk in for whatever purpose/karma you are here for.

That is enough from me. Suffice it to say, we are to be thankful for the huge contributions that both of these men have given the community. They both have blogs open to the public with no fee to pay. Show them support in whatever way feels right for you. Letting both of them know they are appreciated is equally important.

I was going to say something about this too. You've said it so well, it's worth repeating. I will add this: If this was done for theatrical effect, and I think part of it was, shame on you David. Your work speaks well in, and of itself.

Fulford, he makes his living writing too. That's fine, I've got no problem with anyone making money. However, it seems like Fulford builds stories to write about. Now this is just my opinion, and correct me if I'm out of line, OK? To me, Fulford seems to be his own best character. Sorry Ben.

[sygh]

And another thing about Ben Fulford... What about this?


http://www.rense.com/general84/ben.htm

Can anyone actually attest to the reality of this growth (13 cm tumor) removed from Fulford's spine? It does look like a salamander but we all look like aliens early on in the womb. This growth, if it is real, is probably a sibling, as in a "fetus in fetu". Fulford announced this January 23rd, 2009. Has this ever been confirmed by anyone?

I don't know what Fulford's actually trying to do; he seems to be putting a lot of effort into it but if I applauded, I wouldn't be sure of what I was clapping for. Maybe someone, or even Ben, could clear that up with better information than I have?

Again, MPO, I do appreciate the law suit. Even if it doesn't go far in the system, it most certainly brings the accusations into the light of day for examination. However, it's as if that brings us one step closer to the all out collapse of society, and yes... war, for want of the essentials.

[alienHunter]

well as that one kid said, "I see dead people"...well, I see stupid people. Can you identify yourselves?

How about having a good look into this mirror 1st...before casting stones on those that have contributed to this thread.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/customavatars/avatar9559_1.gif.....http://static4.bonluxat.com/cmsense/data/import/thumb/middle_josef-frank-mirror_wp.jpg

Yet another dump & run...:nono:

:focus:

Jackovesk, did you think I meant you or are you just concerned about your fellow humanity?

[cellardoor]

Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.

That's correct.




Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

Yes, he was. David did know the caller. (He knows him well). In the interview, It wasn't obvious to me whether David knew who this was at the time, or whether he was bring deceived for the sake of the theater.

It was clear who it was, and Kerry confirmed this in a phone call to me the following day. But it's possible that David was under such stress that he wasn't aware what was happening.

It's also possible that he was going along with the pantomime for dramatic effect, allowing Kerry to host the show in the way she chose.

I still do not agree that this was at all the right thing to do in the name of clarity and transparency. Anyone in the Pentagon / CIA / military of any country would immediately have known who this was. It seems to me, as far as I can see, that the 'dog and pony show' was just for public consumption.

Kerry certainly had very little time to judge a proper response. She handled it all pretty well. But bringing 'Anonymous' on I feel strongly was an error of judgment. It turned it into a farce... and he did slip in misdirects which are unhelpful distractions when everyone is just wanting to know the truth.

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.



So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?


Good point. I can assure you, as can Duncan, that he was a fallible, ordinary mortal, firmly rooted right here with the rest of us.

So was it Jack Shanahan from the 505 Bill? Or can't you say? I think we have the right to know. The interview was alittle imoral, if the guy is on earth, he was just telling blatent lies. Don't think David would willingly go along with it if he knew. Unless he had no choice. Although I think Kerry had the best of intentions, she has dicredited Davids hard work. I got the impression that David thought anon was a kook. Him and kerry were laughing at one point. Would Kerry lie or withhold the truth from david? She had plenty of time during the adverts to tell him if she hadn't before hand. I find it hard to believe david didn't know who this guy was from what you say. If it is who I think it is then Kerry and David wouldn't question what he's saying, which was really out there, and knowingly on their behalf false. But the listeners don't know who Anon is, you say he's influential. How much of what he said must we take with a pinch of salt? Talking about the after life, and what is essentialy NESARA, the huge gold reserves waiting to be implamented for a golden age, shining with Rainbows. I mean what the hell??? This is really out there for a high level official. Why didn't kerry question these fantastic claims? This Anon sounded more like an occoult member than a white hat. This ordeal hasn't put me off, I just want to know why Camalot (dedicated to truth) would put out, KNOWINGLY a bunch of lies from a really strainge anonymous caller. He must have status amongst your circle otherwise Kerry just wouldn't have gone along with it. Real status.

[meredith]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?

[DNA]

. With that being said in these teachings the types are called roles. Server, priest, warrior, scholar, king, sage and artisan.

(.......)
I'll let you people assign what roles you think they each belong to. I feel confident with Duncan as a warrior.
(........)
David, what role is he? I feel safe saying he is not a warrior. He has a different and equally important role. Scholar or sage would be my guess, but it is just a guess.

Good stuff Modwiz. :)
David is a Priest for sure. And probably a Priest cast in the Scholar mold.
I honestly don't know what Duncan is. I just haven't seen Duncan enough to know. I agree he is very warrior like now, but that role has been thrust upon him, and may not reflect what his actual soul type is. He actually seems rather artist like, and I could very easily see him as an artisian.
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As well as a soul type, there is the chief feature as well, which is our most over riding negative attribute. Methods For Personality Identification And Knowing Yourself - The Michael Teachings (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?25371-Methods-For-Personality-Identification-And-Knowing-Yourself-The-Michael-Teachings)
The chief feature (http://www.michaelteachings.com/overleaves_index.html), this is your most persistant over riding negative attribute. The perverbial devil on your shoulder if you will. This single most defining negative trait is a personal tyrant of sorts. It changes from life time to life time.


Martydom (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_martyrdom.html) Martyrdom is the self-image of the "born loser", the "quitter", the "pushover", the "doormat". A person with this Feature sees himself as a weakling and a failure. In extreme cases, the Martyr may experience actual death in martyrdom, but this is rare. Sometimes it might appear that Martyrs have a kind of "death wish" considering the careless things they do. They seem not to care whether they live or die. They may be morbid, looking forward to their own death. They may think about it or talk about it often. Since they have little respect for themselves, they may not be very concerned with their own physical well-being, and so they take risks with their life and health, treating the body badly. Some may do foolish and dangerous stunts to prove their worth. To get others to try to stop their suicidal actions would prove they are of some worth, would it not?


Impatience (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_impatience.html) Things never happen fast enough to suit him. Time moves too slow to suit him: the future does not arrive soon enough. He constantly tries to pack more activity into the allotted time than can possibly be done


Self-Destruction (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_self-destruction.html) People with the chief feature of Self-destruction are always aware of their faults. This can particularize in several ways. They might dislike their body, for instance: it is too short or too tall, too fat or too thin, the ears are too big, the hair is too curly, and so on. They might be self-critical about their work: they are not thorough enough, not fast enough, not accurate enough, and so on.


Arrogance (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_arrogance.html) They tend to think they are a superior breed of human, not subject to the same imperfections as other "common" people. They may believe they are blessed with good luck. They have an exaggerated sense of their own importance, perceiving themselves as noble and grand, and feeling they are beyond and above the normal and average. They fancy that they will make a significant contribution to the world, and they have an unrealistic evaluation of their abilities, talents, intelligence, and other gifts — they see themselves as better than they really are.


Self-Depreciation (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_self-deprecation.html) This is the classical "inferiority complex" of psychoanalysis. The person devalues, disparages, and slights himself. He feels that he is of little consequence among the rest of humanity. He sees others as better than himself, and looks up to them, and down on himself. The body may in fact display the slump that the spirit feels, as the shoulders may be stooped and the back bowed as if the person wanted to appear smaller than he really was.


Greed (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_greed.html) A person with the chief feature of Greed thinks of himself first. One of the first things that comes to his mind in every situation is, "How am I going to profit from this?", or "Is this to my advantage or not?", or "Look out for number one". Such a person is a consumer rather than a producer. He may be a leach on society, a freeloader. In many cases he is opportunistic, always on the lookout for a way to enrich or gratify himself. He tends to receive without returning equal value.


Stubbornness (http://www.michaelteachings.com/feature_stubbornness.html) The Stubborn one resists external influences. He doesn't need any outside "interference". He prefers to go his own way, make up his own mind, follow his own instincts. He is slow to respond to external correcting measures, and so he remains in inappropriate patterns of behavior, thought, and feeling. All of the Features have to do with self-image, and in the case of Stubbornness, the person is self-contained. He prefers to operate/function on his own, without regard for others or the environment. You can't tell him anything.
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Knowing these can help one be more understanding and patient when dealing with your own chief feature and others chief feature. :)

I have no idea what chief features these two folks have, but I wouldn't be suprised at all if Duncan's is stubborness, and David's is Arrogance.
Nothing at all wrong with this. After all, we all have one of these according to the teachings. No one gets to be born unhindered by these factors.

[alienHunter]

Ok, I'm starting to get engaged in this thread, I have been otherwise distracted.

Earlier, I made a post regarding duncan o that in retrospect was inaccurate. It was actually a different character in the drama. I just read his post regarding David Wilcock and consider it an honest appraisal and statement from his perspective. I think Wilcock is a good person, perhaps a little prone to self-stroking but, what personage with his public exposure isn't. Perhaps, this was David's introduction to the big leagues. I'm sure he will live and learn. In his heart he is a sensitive human being, though and his reaction to the death threat shouldn't be such a shock albeit I would have been inclined to keep that private. He will recover and carry on likely after some serious agonizing reappraisal.

Satisfied Jack, that's about as serious as I can be.

[RMorgan]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?

Hey Meredith,

Well, you can trust your parents, your sons and daughters, your best friends, your brothers and sisters, your dogs, your cats, the ones you love and the ones who love you back. You can trust yourself.

It´s dangerous to trust small lifeless words written on a computer screen. This is an empty vessel where you can deposit whatever feelings that would please you, but they will always be artificial, coming only from one side, from you. This is no real relationship. It´s impossible for you to know who is on the other side of the screen.

I wouldn´t be surprise if all these things be proven to be pure lies. I wouldn´t be surprised if everything regarding these subjects is true as well.

Personally, I advice to don´t get emotionally involved with such things...Information is always useful. If it´s true, great. If it´s a lie, it´s great as well, because it will become part of your truth radar database, which will become stronger and more accurate with time.

I just look at all this stuff as pure information. Just information. If it´s true or false, only time will tell.

Cheers,

Raf.

[mountain_jim]

Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.

That's correct.




Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

Yes, he was. David did know the caller. (He knows him well). In the interview, It wasn't obvious to me whether David knew who this was at the time, or whether he was bring deceived for the sake of the theater.

It was clear who it was, and Kerry confirmed this in a phone call to me the following day. But it's possible that David was under such stress that he wasn't aware what was happening.

It's also possible that he was going along with the pantomime for dramatic effect, allowing Kerry to host the show in the way she chose.

I still do not agree that this was at all the right thing to do in the name of clarity and transparency. Anyone in the Pentagon / CIA / military of any country would immediately have known who this was. It seems to me, as far as I can see, that the 'dog and pony show' was just for public consumption.

Kerry certainly had very little time to judge a proper response. She handled it all pretty well. But bringing 'Anonymous' on I feel strongly was an error of judgment. It turned it into a farce... and he did slip in misdirects which are unhelpful distractions when everyone is just wanting to know the truth.

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.



So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?


Good point. I can assure you, as can Duncan, that he was a fallible, ordinary mortal, firmly rooted right here with the rest of us.

Well this info also then to me seems to put Rayellen and her Rumour Mill News site as squarely among the disinfo purveyers and alternative community manipulators category. Unless she believes what she says and can't help it.

With the CIA/black-ops background she apparently married into or came out of I guess that should not be that surprising.

Not that I have spent much time at that site in a while.

[9eagle9]

I was thinking the very thing. I very appreciate Duncan's words because he's spot on. But I have to acknowledge the others that posted before including you US, that pretty much emphasized the same thing. Lots of people know about the mechanisms they use, unfortunately we only have a few that are well known in the public eye to validate this.

I regret deeply that DW tells everyone he's a light warrior and when push comes to shove...he's not. He created himself as such, and well anyone can get so swept up in their beliefs that they become a reality for them. But the observers didn't create that situation. People like Duncan do need our help. People who are akin to Duncan are helping him even though they may never be known to him.

People who are like Duncan need help ,not be brutalized because they can see its a horse and pony show when people prefer to believe it's an episode of Star Wars. People aren't pointing out the fallacies of the entire incident because they hate David , such a juvenile playground attitude to adopt. They are doing it because their fellow humans are running over a cliff like lemmings.

You can see in this thread where people have taken opportunity to create a little drama for themselves. to show how 'powerful' they are and how they can beat up the 'bad' guy by posting a few videos....lol.


But like David are going to be confronted with the fact they are not as enlightened or awake as they like to 'think' they are. And that is where the resistance is coming from. The unwillingness to give up one's role they have for themselves .


That's leaves us right were we began. There's only one Duncan. So anytime occurs he has to leave his life and come reframe the drama for people or will start listening to others when they put up the caution flag, and say "Everything here is not what it seems."

Apparently our folks can only heed the caution of those who are 'well known'. Or celebrities. Like nothing is real until it come out on some Hollywood-esque carpet. Why they desperately ignored everything the Irishman was 'saying' because what was being expressed couldn't be measured until a brand name label had been on it. And even when more sensible voices pop up to say, No the man is not off planet' people keep wiggling for the drama.

Duncan although well known , or at least his background is, has refused this celebrity status but even the drama queens can't deny he's experienced the 'reality' of the mechanisms, instead of standing on the sidelines burbling about it. He had a 'role' imposed him, his true self taken away . He was stolen from himself so yeah, I'm going to have to say he know of reality of what that is like. And he coming from a point of being able to observe these roles in others that we've had imposed on us.

We have all been stolen from ourselves. But now its gets to the point where they no longer have to steal ourselves from ourselves when people willingly adopt these drama roles and rigidly maintain on their behalf and others. They aren't real as DW has demonstrated. I'm sorry he had to do it in public but maybe he will take this opportunity to learn it.

The reason US you got so much flack is ....well people don't want to know of reality because that is where the true nastly is lurking. This shows me more people are still under the Hollywood/Celebrity/Ad-wash than they care to admit. Not as 'awake' as they care to admit. They think they are awake because someone 'told' them something about being awake. . But we see , SEE, right in front of our eyes how easily that mechanism of role playing is broken down.





I have never witnessed such a reversal and albeit ass kissing in my entire life! Duncan is right on the mark, and I was as well. I get ripped to shreds for five pages by those who don't like anyone calling out DW's actions the other night. There is a war going on. Energy is real, and those of you who bought into it were used. Then this whole drama of fighting with anyone who did not show the kind of support some of you wanted shown was more crap.

I am not surprised how unevolved we all are at this time. I seriously doubt many of us have much of a chance. God forbid anyone disagrees with someone that many hold dear. God forbid anyone questions events for the truth. I am done with this thread. The hypocracy is beyond belief!

edit: spelling error, not unusual for me. Plus guess what everyone. The entire human race is under a death threat! Some of you will die horrible deaths. Some of you will die peacefully in your sleep. Two things are guaranteed in this life, Death and taxes!

[cellardoor]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?


The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.

Are you saying to us Meredith there is not a single group in the world that are willing to try. We here every day of people winning court battles agains corparations, in the name of justice and truth. Just look here for a recent example http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/16/fannie-freddie-sec_n_1153603.htmlYou make out like there is no hope, with enough publicity this cort case can do some damage, and at least bring to the attention of the masses the extent of the problem. Its also exposing the shadow side of the secret societies for what they are. Greedy, selfish, satanists. You, or duncan have not offered a single argument or bit of evidence that says this law suit is false. That is the real issue here, not if David is a big enough macho man to deal with this situation. We don't all spend our lives looking over our sholders waiting for the moment to meet our maker nor are we any lesser for it. Who gives a dam if David was tricked into thinking he was going to die or not. It makes no difference to the actual core issue. What I read this morning from Duncun was just a long rant about how gullable and wet behind the ears David was. He didn't hardly talk about the real issue here, he just dismissed it without any plausable reason other than, little boy don't know when he's being played with. Well guess what. You can't make claimes like that and not back them up. Then expect people to take in a barrage of hate from yourself as a reason not to take what david's reserch tells us seriously. I understand Duncan must have been tired, at the time. All he is premoting is fear, seperation and dismissal. Not reasoning on any type of rational thoughtful action.

[Lochinvar]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?

1. I disagree. I think they have to warn someone first before they take that action (according to a set of rules). eg. "If you do this...we will do that". In other words if you carry on doing what you are doing you are agreeing to the terms set out in their warning.

2. Couldn't agree more. It is like letting your enemy choose a battlefield that they control (where the engagement will take place (Sun Tzu would be turning in his grave)). It's not just courts though, elections are the same. Engaging the enemy on the battlefield that they have chosen and control.

[cellardoor]

http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/05/41930.htm

Bizarre Claim for $1 Trillion
http://www.courthousenews.com/2011/12/05/41930.htm

Dan McCue, Courthouse News Service, 12-5-2011

MANHATTAN (CN) – An American expatriate in Bulgaria claims the United Nations, the World Economic Forum, the Office of International Treasury Control and the Italian government conspired with a host of others to steal more than $1.1 trillion in financial instruments intended to support humanitarian purposes.

The 111-page federal complaint involves a range of entities common to conspiracy theorists, including the Vatican Illuminati, the Masons, the “Trilateral Trillenium Tripartite Gold Commission,” and the U.S. Federal Reserve.

Plaintiff Neil Keenan claims he was entrusted in 2009 with the financial instruments – which included U.S. Federal Reserve notes worth $124.5 billion, two Japanese government bonds with a combined face value of $19 billion, and one U.S. “Kennedy” bond with a face value of $1 billion – by an entity called the Dragon Family, which is a group of several wealthy and secretive Asian families.


“The Dragon family abstains from public view and knowledge, but, upon information and belief, acts for the good and better benefit of the world in constant coordination with higher levels of global financial organizations, in particular, the Federal Reserve System,” Keenan claims.

“During the course of its existence over the last century, the Dragon family has accumulated great wealth by having provided the Federal Reserve Bank and the United States Government with asset assignments of gold and silver via certain accounts held in Switzerland, for which it has received consideration in the form of a variety of Notes, Bonds and Certificates such as those described … that are an obligation of the Federal Reserve System.”

Keenan says that with accrued interest the instruments are now worth more than $1 trillion. He says the family designated him as its principal in an effort to select certain registered and authorized Private Placement Investment Programs (PPPs) for the benefit of unspecified global humanitarian efforts.

In his remarkable complaint, Keenan claims that the U.S. government enormous amounts of money – delivered in gold and other precious metals – from the Dragon Family many years ago, and that the money was placed into the Federal Reserve System for the benefit and underwriting support of the dollar, “which was to become and currently remains the global reserve currency”.

Keenan claims the conspiracy began with the illegal detention of two Japanese citizens, Akihiko Yamaguchi and Mitsuyoshi Watanabe, and the seizure of $134.5 billion in bonds they were holding in Italy, in June 2009.

Yamaguchi can best be described as Keenan’s predecessor in trying to place Dragon Family instruments in legitimate PPPs to advance the group’s humanitarian aims, according to the complaint.

Keenan says he came to know both Yamaguchi and the Dragon Family through the Japanese man’s efforts on the group’s behalf, and that he introduced them to a bank in Cyprus with which they could do business.

Keenan says that in gratitude, Yamaguchi sought and was granted approval to execute a special power of attorney, whereby Keenan would also act on behalf of the Dragon Family to place their assets in PPPs.

It was then, he says, that he took possession of the instruments that are the heart of the lawsuit. For his assistance, Keenan says, he was to receive a profit share amounting to 30 percent of any particular PPP he arranged.

A month after the Japanese men were detained, an man named Leo Zagami, “a self-described 33rd degree Free Mason, who, as of April 2008, had reportedly claimed to be the leader of a breakaway faction of the Knights of Templar and high-level Freemasons centered around the elite of the Masons P2 (propaganda Due) Lodge in Monte Carlo,” arrived on the scene, according to the complaint. (Parentheses in complaint.)

Zagami claimed to be a representative of the Vatican Illuminati and other European sect societies and “had been looking to make contact with certain Asian Secret Societies,” the complaint states.

During a meeting in Japan, he says, he told a contact that Yamaguchi and Watanabe had been “set up” and that he had inside information about the seized instruments.

Subsequently, he introduced his contact in Japan to defendant Daniele Dal Bosco, a Vatican banker and associate of the P2 Masonic Lodge, who “would be able to ‘cash the bonds seized by the Italian Treasury Police,’” according to the complaint.

The complaint alleges a complicated history with many moving parts and scores of internationally known and unknown characters, the sum of which is that Keenan claims he was entrusted with billions of dollars in bonds by the Dragon Family.

He claims that soon, he and Dal Bosco were in daily contact via Skype and they arranged to meet in Italy. During these conversations, Dal Bosco represented that he was not only financial advisor to Zagami, but also to the Vatican, Vatican City, Rome, and the treasurer for the P2 Masonic Lodge.

As a result, Keenan said, although he tried keep personal possession of the financial instruments with which he was entrusted, he nevertheless came to trust Dal Bosco, and turned the bonds over to him for “temporary safekeeping and custodianship”.

Dal Bosco absconded with the bonds and sought assistance in selling the instruments “in the global marketplace through stealth, conversion and bribery,” Keenan claims.

He claims that as the conspiracy continued to unfold, various high level officials repeatedly offered him a bribe of $100 million to “release” the instruments without disclosing their theft to the Dragon family, and to allow the instruments to be converted to a so-called UN “Sovereign Program” wholly under the auspices, protection and umbrella of the sovereign immunity enjoyed by the defendants.

Other defendants include UN General Secretary Ban Ki-Moon, Former Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, Giancarlo Bruno, who is identified as head of the banking industry for the World Economic Forum, Italy’s ambassador to the UN Cesare Maria Ragaflini, Ray C. Dam, president of the Office of International Treasury Control, and David A. Sale, the deputy chief of the council for the cabinet of the OITC.

Keenan seeks the return of the stolen instruments, punitive damages and court costs on multiple claims of fraud, breach of contract and violation of international law.

He is represented by William H. Mulligan Jr., with Bleakley, Platt & Schmidt of White Plains, N.Y.

[childs hood end]

Hello Duncan me old flower,,, long time no speak,,, words well put,,, keep the spirits high,,, we be backing you lad,,,
till the **** hits the fan,,, peace my good man.

[Lochinvar]

Hello Duncan me old flower,,, long time no speak,,, words well put,,, keep the spirits high,,, we be backing you lad,,,
till the **** hits the fan,,, peace my good man.

Haha! It's yourself!

[shamanseeker]

I've just been onto Kerry's blog. She describes 'anonymous' as being a white hat from a 'distant' location. Strange when the world is such a small place these days. Would we describe Australia, Easter Island or any other place in the world as a distant location. Maybe, but have never heard it before. She obviously believes in David and has asked for solidarity for him.


Our guests tonight:

Anonymous - a white hat from a distant location

David Wilcock

click here for his site: divinecosmos.com

David is now safe and protected.

Thank you to everyone listening for all the help and love. Please continue to send your love and stand in solidarity with David and all of us during this time. We place arms around the world in blessing and stand together - for together, united we are strong.

[DNA]

I regret deeply that DW tells everyone he's a light warrior and when push comes to shove...he's not. He created himself as such, and well anyone can get so swept up in their beliefs that they become a reality for them. But the observers didn't create that situation. People like Duncan do need our help. People who are akin to Duncan are helping him even though they may never be known to him.

I regret that so much judgement has been cast on a guy for crying.

[Carmody]

The more I read of David's book, the more I realize that the book and his reputation surrounding the popularity of the book 'sales evolution and unfolding'..this is definitely a great target in this 'move' of a death threat.

I see the odd detractor of his book in here. I see his reputation being attacked under the guise of saying that they like him at the same time.

[Jeffrey]

I'm not sure this has been posted here yet. I didn't want to subscribe and give all of my information to the pacer.gov site... Anyways, here's the lawsuit it's 111 pages and I'm on page 17. Woohoo!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/pdfs/11%20civ%208500%20Keenan%20Complaint.pdf

[Jenci]

I've just been onto Kerry's blog. She describes 'anonymous' as being a white hat from a 'distant' location. Strange when the world is such a small place these days. Would we describe Australia, Easter Island or any other place in the world as a distant location. Maybe, but have never heard it before.


Hi Shamanseeker

I would describe Australia as distant if I was talking to only people in the UK but if I was talking to people all over the globe, "distant" would not make sense.

Reacting to the unfolding event live on radio is one thing. Writing on a blog is another. Kerry is a smart lady - she chooses her words deliberately.
So if the reader is left wondering, the question could be asked, is if that was the intent?


Jeanette

[jackovesk]

I'm a huge Edgar Cayce Fan and read a number of his books and was a member at A.R.E for a number of years...

I still refer back to Edgar Cayce's Natural Remedies & Readings...

The 1st I had ever heard of David Wilcock was when he professed to being the reincarnated Edgar Cayce...:pound:

For me, he lost all credibility then and is losing even more now..!

I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt...

But...

That, what has been labelled as the 'Dog & Pony Show' with 'Anonymous' from far, far away...Known to both Kerry & David, was the absolute last straw...

The 'Truth Movement' deserves a Hell-Of-A-Lot better than that in IMHO..!

Enough is Enough...If I wanted to listen/watch Innuendo and Drama, I could just as easily switch on the TV..!

[9eagle9]

I acknowledge that his work in source field investigations is imporant and intriguing and interesting. All the world is hypnotised, and this is how and why and on and on and on. I also note this information is not new but known. And he acknowledges that much of it didn't orginatate with him, it was sourced back and quoted back from previously revealed information. He brought it to the public and that would include his fans who are not noticing that he's talking about this stuff , but not expressing it .

And what did he do with this information?. Is it expressed through him, is he living this? No.If he was he would have known what this current drama was all about and RESPONDED instead of reacting. It's not the information and while he's personally not my cup of tea that information is interesting. And his fans apparently are not expressing the tools he's brought to them either. Both David and those who have spell bound themselves to him emotionally, both trip trapping into the very mind-field his information was supposed ot have brought to light and warned others about. Is it hypocrisy? It APPEARS that way and people notice it APPEARS that way. Others just find it the same old show. But nothing is as it seems.

This is such a huge opportunity for him to learn its not what you tell, its what you show.

That is so and that is the way it is. Some view this as hypocrisy and deride him and some who have simply witnessed yet another incident of others properly posting on their ponies ....what can you do but observe what is obviated. Are we doing anyone any real favors by NOT mentioning its a drama and how. There are some few who' have had the ahhh-haaaaa moment here. That's valuable. David already wrote how the mechanics of these dramas are written. So he should follow his own advice, that shows what he knows by experience what is expressed through him. He said he knew how they operated, and he's correct. By this hypnotic quality blurring reality but he was blurred himself. Well you have to be to really KNOW through experience.

Does it help that the people who observe this should not say anything about it and just let more shows be created or can we say , allright...enough is enough. Sure it can be done without judgement but even those who are accessing it from a neutral place are being judged by those who are screaming that other's are judging David..lol. This is how the merry go round goes.

This shows us that its not enough to 'know' this information it has to be expressed through us. It's nice to think one is a warrior but its entirely different matter to BE one. That goes for anything.

I have a half dozen people come into the barn WEEKLY. And they all know how to ride, and they know how to jump, and they are the horse whisperer and fly like pegasus. But I take the hand of caution and know by obervance they don't know half of what they are talking about. And I can do that because I'm the authority on the matter.I see and experience it daily the way people hypnotize themselves. It's an ideal--idea-in their head they've attached themselves to. Not that the ideal is wrong, but its not being expressed through them. If it was they'd not have to tell me anything. They'd just show me.

So they grow offended when I put them on a placid little pony to observe them. To keep them safe from themselves because regardless of what they think ....I KNOW better. And that is why I am the intstructor, the shower and not the student.

They then become admant and angry and feel as I'm insulting the ideal, the pedestal they've put themselves on. There's nothing wrong with the idea of riding well but the fact they've convinced themselves they can ride well is a different matter.

But I shrug and hand them the reins to a bigger peppery animal that fits their ideal of their own noblity and a moment later the animal has them tossed on thier pie hole . That's WHAT HAPPENS. Its not meaness or evilness or because I hate these people. I'm simply obviating their own ideas seduced them and reality sent them on a fall.

This drama mechanism IS expressed in our daily mundane boring life in some fashion or another. It's not hidden, or secret its right there if someone is awake to notice it.

The opposite is true as well, people KNOW what they are doing until some ego trip tells them otherwise. I just walked in from a lesson from a woman who had all sorts of blocks and problems, couldn't hold her balance , couldn't sit right, lAt the end of the lesson she was running and jumpiing on her horse. One hour it took me to take all this crap out of her head so she could express her natural ability. She did that, I just let her show herself what she could do. She did that simply because I observed and said that is not the way it is. Your fine. What was told to you was wrong. Still at the end in spite of her victory, doing so much more than she thought was possible , she still insisted that she sat the horse wrong. And all I can say is. We don't sit on a horse, we ride it. That's why its called riding a horse, not sitting on it.


and that is our metaphor for life. The idea of riding a horse well is far and away different than actually riding one. And people if they pause to look in their daily life, and hobbies, and work will see the same DW situation they've observed here.

So the term dog and pony show is appropriate, everyone caught in this loop of ideals, and roles and they are expresssed in the unreal dramas because they don't want to go into the reality of the situation where the real power lies.

Why after all this information even that information from David's own hand is out there, and people still not seeing it is beyond me when its even in his own work. Like it is mine. And probably everyone elses if they could open their eyes to it. so we have an opportunity here to say, next time I see the dogs and ponies congregating maybe I can choose not to react to it.




The more I read of David's book, the more I realize that the book and his reputation surrounding the popularity of the book 'sales evolution and unfolding'..this is definitely a great target in this 'move' of a death threat.

I see the odd detractor of his book in here. I see his reputation being attacked under the guise of saying that they like him at the same time.

[daci]

Ditto jack!


Quote Posted by Bill Ryan (here)
Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.

I was in PC from the beginning... from "Old Avalon"times...
I have enough now too...

More and more self serving moments and Hollywood theater's mementos from big "Egos" are coming to the surface... that is good!!! Because with our own discernment we can now easier distinguish grain from chaff...
Well played PC's lady, Anom...

[Cartomancer]

i'm amaze people still trying to discredit David instead of look at the information and lawsuit asking question like what these secret groups is going with this? what kind of game they playing? if they are both of the same coin then what happen next? ..ect.


people really need to step up fight back, take responsibility and make decision...the game already started battle for the control of humanity.

One more time people. If all of that hidden gold goes on to the market the price of gold will plummet. This whole drama is leading all of us towards another fleecing if it is true. They created a gold bubble and this is how its going to burst. You are sitting here arguing over semantics and not analyzing the real motives of what is going on here. Even though it seems like "humanity is going to be freed" this will all just fit into the master plan. Many have bought gold in the crumbling economy. Here they are making their bursting of this bubble seem like they are freeing humanity but it is only going to serve power once more. It's just a plan to take the rest of what you have and make things worse. This is not going to improve anything.

[jackovesk]

This is what some More Grounded individuals reaction was towards Kerry's Interview with David Wilcock & Anonymous..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeauvE1M7qc

[Zampano]

too much drama going on around here...so thanks for that jackovesk

PS.: Yes, Germans do have humour as you can see ;-)

[Arrowwind]

This thread has turned into the perfect example of the phenomenon that I write about in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36661-Speculative-Esoteric-Metaphysics). Those who hold each side, thinking that there are really two sides, continue to bicker needlessly without seeking the compromise that lies directly between them and that is always available. There are not, really, two different sides. You have the choice to choose the option that does not include continuing the drama. It's better for the heart and soul.

and you have the option to trust the psychics and channelers, the Wilcockes and Fulfords of the world, the Federation of Light and all their promises and sit on your can as most do believing that they will be saved by ascension or space ships or the work of others or you can take action yourself and be a part of your own self redemption and that of your nations' by taking intillegent action instead of counting on the dreams of others.

Can you imagine Ghandi or Martin Luther King relying on the Federation of Light? Can you imagine on Native Americans believing the Treaties? Well they did and look what happened to them.

[jackovesk]

too much drama going on around here...so thanks for that jackovesk

PS.: Yes, Germans do have humour as you can see ;-)

Yes they do Zampano,

Lets hope some others still have a sense of humour...

...and can share a quick laugh amongst all this Drama..!

Rgs,

Jack

[Aqua marina]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?

THE PURPOSE--to get David Wilcock to disseminate, on as wide a basis as possible among the alternative community, that hoarding gold and silver is no good, that gold and silver have no real value, and that you should abandon your ideas of amassing precious metals.

The audience of the Project Avalon and Camelot forums has high numbers of libertarians and preppers and metal buyers. A good psops to get you to sell your your only property of real value in exchange for their paper is always preferable to the government having to spend the manpower to come confiscate it from you.

This baloney about the "big secret" that gold isn't scarce is EXACTLY what Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, the Bank of England, and every other financial institution stitched into the illegitimate net of global fiat money wants us to believe. This is exactly what the ongoing manipulations of the precious metal market have been about--to sabotage the spot price of metals, using every fake and phony means to drive the price of gold and silver DOWNWARD so as to make the dollar APPEAR stronger than it is, keeping the public in the dark while governments amass more and more of the gold supply.

What is this but a scare tactic to get precious metal collectors to stop collecting?

On Alex Jones' show this past week, Max Keiser discussed at length the actual cause of M.F. Global's collape. J.P.Morgan and Chase had massive silver shorts to cover, a result of John Corzine's bad judgement. Max Keiser says outright, "Jamie Dimon [head of Morgan Chase] called Corzine and told him to raid the customers' accounts for the silver or he would "blow his [bleeping] head off." John Corzine STOLE THE INCOMING METAL DELIVERIES FROM CLIENTS and put them in the registered accounts of J.P.Morgan Chase instead.

Now Corzine is being indicted, grilled by congress, assaulted by outside litigation, and will probably go to prison. In a world in which gold and silver were secretly plentiful, this would NEVER happen. James Dimon would never feel driven to such lengths to get a silver short covered.

Duncan's take on this makes a great deal of sense to me, and taking precautions against being scared into being an unwitting tool. But now this stuff it out there, to add to the disinformation cloud. Oh well.

[grapevine]

This thread has turned into the perfect example of the phenomenon that I write about in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36661-Speculative-Esoteric-Metaphysics). Those who hold each side, thinking that there are really two sides, continue to bicker needlessly without seeking the compromise that lies directly between them and that is always available. There are not, really, two different sides. You have the choice to choose the option that does not include continuing the drama. It's better for the heart and soul.

Not as easy as that though Rahkyt .... there's that G R E Y area in between. We could choose not to post of course but every voice that wants/needs to be heard should be heard, should it not ...... ?

[Lochinvar]

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.


Having listened to the show twice, and having trolled through as much of this thread as I can handle, here are two thoughts posted that clarify the matter for my dim, gullible mind:


If they wanted to kill David, they would have.
The current legal system will not render a judgement in favor of humanity because it serves the powers that established it in the first place.


So what was the purpose of this little exercise? To yank us around? To remind us that the resources we think we have (seemingly honest investigators, grandiose and ultimately useless lawsuits) are not really resources at all?

The rug yanked out once again. Who can we trust? What can we do to get ourselves out of this mess?

THE PURPOSE--to get David Wilcock to disseminate, on as wide a basis as possible among the alternative community, that hoarding gold and silver is no good, that gold and silver have no real value, and that you should abandon your ideas of amassing precious metals.

The audience of the Project Avalon and Camelot forums has high numbers of libertarians and preppers and metal buyers. A good psops to get you to sell your your only property of real value in exchange for their paper is always preferable to the government having to spend the manpower to come confiscate it from you.

This baloney about the "big secret" that gold isn't scarce is EXACTLY what Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, the Bank of England, and every other financial institution stitched into the illegitimate net of global fiat money wants us to believe. This is exactly what the ongoing manipulations of the precious metal market have been about--to sabotage the spot price of metals, using every fake and phony means to drive the price of gold and silver DOWNWARD so as to make the dollar APPEAR stronger than it is, keeping the public in the dark while governments amass more and more of the gold supply.

What is this but a scare tactic to get precious metal collectors to stop collecting?

On Alex Jones' show this past week, Max Keiser discussed at length the actual cause of M.F. Global's collape. J.P.Morgan and Chase had massive silver shorts to cover, a result of John Corzine's bad judgement. Max Keiser says outright, "Jamie Dimon [head of Morgan Chase] called Corzine and told him to raid the customers' accounts for the silver or he would "blow his [bleeping] head off." John Corzine STOLE THE INCOMING METAL DELIVERIES FROM CLIENTS and put them in the registered accounts of J.P.Morgan Chase instead.

Now Corzine is being indicted, grilled by congress, assaulted by outside litigation, and will probably go to prison. In a world in which gold and silver were secretly plentiful, this would NEVER happen. James Dimon would never feel driven to such lengths to get a silver short covered.

Duncan's take on this makes a great deal of sense to me, and taking precautions against being scared into being an unwitting tool. But now this stuff it out there, to add to the disinformation cloud. Oh well.

Corzine has done just what his master want. If he does go to jail I expect he will be put in solitary and let out the back door. But as you say getting people to sell their precious metals looks like what this may be all about. Buying and taking delivery of the metals is one of the biggest weaknesses that the NWO have and we should be exploiting it to the max (should that be Max?) imo to put the JP Morgans of this world out on their a***s.

[Mark]

Not as easy as that though Raykyt .... there's that G R E Y area in between. We could choose not to post of course but every voice that wants/needs to be heard should be heard, should it not ...... ?


...without seeking the compromise that lies directly between them and that is always available...

The thread that I linked in that posting was the purpose. The grey area that you speak of is what I referenced directly with the above quote. Argumentation for its own sake is less than useless it is a distraction. All that is being said currently in this thread is a repeat of all that has already been said, begun again as new people come in and take up where others left off, repeating the process again. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Speak all you want, be heard all you desire. It's all about the learning. Everybody is exactly where they are supposed to be and, as you quoted my post and perhaps read my previous posts in this thread, I said all I had to say and also made no references to or implied that others should stop speaking.

[Star Tsar]

This is what some More Grounded individuals reaction was towards Kerry's Interview with David Wilcock & Anonymous..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeauvE1M7qc


Jackovesk

Your a funny dude that made me laugh so hard!

I thankyou

[derek]

At the end of the show David said "someone who we know and trust is here on the air with us".

He has not been able to write about it yet, but I'm sure will say that he knew him. I highly doubt he will lie about it as Kerry has already confirmed that she knew him and David is a strong believer in morals, integrity, and karma (hence not apt to lying).

[DreamsInDigital]

One more time people. If all of that hidden gold goes on to the market the price of gold will plummet. This whole drama is leading all of us towards another fleecing if it is true. They created a gold bubble and this is how its going to burst. You are sitting here arguing over semantics and not analyzing the real motives of what is going on here. Even though it seems like "humanity is going to be freed" this will all just fit into the master plan. Many have bought gold in the crumbling economy. Here they are making their bursting of this bubble seem like they are freeing humanity but it is only going to serve power once more. It's just a plan to take the rest of what you have and make things worse. This is not going to improve anything.
Then, I got the perfect solution, lets join the rest of the known Universe, and dump this ridiculous belief system called "money", and not find something else to needlessly kill each-other over. Keep in mind, we are the ONLY race, planet, etc. In the Universe that has a monetary system, and the only race that will turn on each-other and kill our own kind. I think instead of allowing the Cabal and the rest of the Global Leaders to divide and conquer us using some of the oldest (i'm talking thousands of years here) "tricks" in the book. We need to find our common ground, and unite behind it. It is the only way we can make a difference. We are powerful as individuals, but united together we are an unstoppable force.

Here's the deal, the real thing. The Cabal/Global Elite, what ever the crap you want to call those evil ass-hats. Fear Us, they are down right afraid of us. So, what do they do? Divide us, and put poisons in our water, etc. So we are non-resistant to their Tyranny. Divided we are essentially weak, if we were to come together in a unified front against them, we would be so strong and so powerful there would be nothing they could do to stop us. Zero, Zilch, A Big FAT GOOSE EGG. Moraney absolutely had a point, he was totally right when he said all this work the NWO/Cabal/NSA/DHS/Shadow Government/Global Elite have done, and I quote "Could be swept away in a day, should humanity become enlightened"

If a billion people come to the realization and a decision that we no longer want this reality, it can literally change with the setting and the rising of the sun. But, it must be stressed, we need to be clear of what we want, which is part of the decision, and our responsibility factors. That is ours. In other words, if we’re going to create it, we have to take responsibility for it.

[scotusa]

Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.

That's correct.




Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

Yes, he was. David did know the caller. (He knows him well). In the interview, It wasn't obvious to me whether David knew who this was at the time, or whether he was bring deceived for the sake of the theater.

It was clear who it was, and Kerry confirmed this in a phone call to me the following day. But it's possible that David was under such stress that he wasn't aware what was happening.

It's also possible that he was going along with the pantomime for dramatic effect, allowing Kerry to host the show in the way she chose.

I still do not agree that this was at all the right thing to do in the name of clarity and transparency. Anyone in the Pentagon / CIA / military of any country would immediately have known who this was. It seems to me, as far as I can see, that the 'dog and pony show' was just for public consumption.

Kerry certainly had very little time to judge a proper response. She handled it all pretty well. But bringing 'Anonymous' on I feel strongly was an error of judgment. It turned it into a farce... and he did slip in misdirects which are unhelpful distractions when everyone is just wanting to know the truth.

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.



So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?


Good point. I can assure you, as can Duncan, that he was a fallible, ordinary mortal, firmly rooted right here with the rest of us.

And the Oscar goes to...
Trying to figure out who is playing the horse's ass in this pantomime.

[Arrowwind]

The audience of the Project Avalon and Camelot forums has high numbers of libertarians and preppers and metal buyers. A good psops to get you to sell your your only property of real value in exchange for their paper is always preferable to the government having to spend the manpower to come confiscate it from you.

This baloney about the "big secret" that gold isn't scarce is EXACTLY what Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan Chase, the Bank of England, and every other financial institution stitched into the illegitimate net of global fiat money wants us to believe. This is exactly what the ongoing manipulations of the precious metal market have been about--to sabotage the spot price of metals, using every fake and phony means to drive the price of gold and silver DOWNWARD so as to make the dollar APPEAR stronger than it is, keeping the public in the dark while governments amass more and more of the gold supply.

What is this but a scare tactic to get precious metal collectors to stop collecting?

If all people attempted to have enough gold instead of worthless paper to provide for them a home, pay their taxes, send their kid to school etc then we would truly understand how scarce gold is. As gold gets more valuable it will be of benefit to make smaller coins. This roundabout it all about speculators right now. When the Euro goes down we shall see what happens. Germany I hear is printing Dutchmarks

I wouldn't not base the buying and selling of metals on the opinons of neither chase morgan nor wilcock. I will listen to my grandfather, likley wiser than all three put together as he survived, lived honorably and died without lying, stealing nor telling tall tales.

[doodah]

I apologize for jumping into this thread without having read the whole thing... but has it been suggested here that the amassing of all that gold might have a purpose beyond mere mundane control of the world?

Who were the original gold diggers? Why do we value gold at all? Fulford says a lot of the actual gold is being sent to Paraguay. Who is in Paraguay? The Bushes. Who is next door? The Fourth Reich.

Not all people on this planet valued gold, specifically most of the peoples of the North and South American continents (except as ornaments for the leaders). The Europeans conquered those continents specifically looking for gold, amongst other things. The Natives of North America didn't value the yellow metal at all and couldn't understand why the Europeans wanted it.

So, back to the question: Who were the original gold diggers and why does the lust for gold come from the European part of the world?

The Anunnaki were the original gold diggers, activities centered in Africa, kingships handed down in Sumer, now modern Iraq which has just been brought by force into the world game of the Illuminati. Bloodlines throughout Europe, etc. etc., wealth measured in gold.

It looks to me like the Anunnaki are coming back and they still want gold. It's being gathered and hoarded for them. All this business with the gold IS happening at THIS point in time when the return of Nibiru is also supposed to be happening (if it's happening).

If the North and South American Natives held a different view of the cosmos (which they did), perhaps they were a breakaway from the Anunnaki gold-digging faction (Enlil). That would mean they were followers of Enki, who wanted the human race to survive. In Kerry's interview with David, the Anonymous person several times said some very interesting things:
"we" care about the human genome - Who's this "we"?
"I'm speaking to you from further away than you can imagine" (paraphrase) - meaning, I assume, off planet somewhere [edit to add I see that Bill has addressed this, not off planet.]

Apologies if someone else has already raised all this. I'll read through the whole thing when my schedule loosens up a bit.

Best to all,
Doodah

[161803398]

What is this but a scare tactic to get precious metal collectors to stop collecting?

Maybe some people shorting gold.

[Arrowwind]

Gold and other precious metals are essential to our high tech life... that is and of itself is of great value if we are to continue in approaching this "star treck" life style. Other minerals as well as gold... for computers and other high teck creations.

So regardless of what the origianal cause to value gold so much was, it has its own intrinsic value now, as long as our culture continues in the current vein. As a currency it is a real tangilble object.... as is labor and so many other things... silver is used even more.. not the paper we currently use.

[Sync]

OK.

I figured out who Anonymous is.

His name is Lucky, and the endless amount of gold he is talking about is magically delicious and part of a balanced breakfast.

Don't cross him... don't even think it.


http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/images/lucky2.jpg

[Semnyi]

I got the documents from David's site.
I do not know what was mean by putting out part two,
I am only aware of one part but not sure which part I have.
Did David release the information about the 'black-screen' Book
Of Makumau or what-ever-the-heck thats about. It looks like
Benjamin is doing well, judging by his recent interview. How is
David faring? I hope that everyone is watching this interaction,
and the Keenan case, strength in numbers.

p.s. To Duncan, I am very sorry for all of the hardships you
have had to endure through your life. Please have patience
with the people on this forum, I am interested to know if you
have any information or words of wisdom about this whole
mess. I wish you and everyone else all the best, we cannot
fall to the level of aggression that we are all aware has been
causing so much suffering in this world. Thanks again, and
good luck.

p.p.s. To David, please let us all know that you
are well, and that we are all together in
this moment of history.

[childs hood end]

OK.

I figured out who Anonymous is.

His name is Lucky, and the endless amount of gold he is talking about is magically delicious and part of a balanced breakfast.

Don't cross him... don't even think it.


http://botit.botany.wisc.edu/toms_fungi/images/lucky2.jpg

lucky charms and lepricons the irish brand abroad :rolleyes:

these are the last words you would ever hear in eire,,, ;) funny ****,,


any one else thinkin dr. pete peterson (Anonymous),,, jus going with the first name that poped to mind when he spoke.:spy:

do all indians have a horse ?

[Kerry Cassidy]

Bill,

I have stated I knew anonymous. Thanks for your 2 cents. It was no dog and pony show and your sarcasm is not appreciated.

The aim was to save David's life. Whether you like it or not. That was accomplished.

I never said I didn't know Anonymous and neither did David. That is hardly the point. You have promised not to release the identity of that individual and I expect you to keep your word.

Lives are at risk here.

Thank you.

Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot





Kerry knew the anonymous caller and knew he was not off-world.

That's correct.




Duncan seems to be suggesting the same about David.

Yes, he was. David did know the caller. (He knows him well). In the interview, It wasn't obvious to me whether David knew who this was at the time, or whether he was bring deceived for the sake of the theater.

It was clear who it was, and Kerry confirmed this in a phone call to me the following day. But it's possible that David was under such stress that he wasn't aware what was happening.

It's also possible that he was going along with the pantomime for dramatic effect, allowing Kerry to host the show in the way she chose.

I still do not agree that this was at all the right thing to do in the name of clarity and transparency. Anyone in the Pentagon / CIA / military of any country would immediately have known who this was. It seems to me, as far as I can see, that the 'dog and pony show' was just for public consumption.

Kerry certainly had very little time to judge a proper response. She handled it all pretty well. But bringing 'Anonymous' on I feel strongly was an error of judgment. It turned it into a farce... and he did slip in misdirects which are unhelpful distractions when everyone is just wanting to know the truth.

Pretty soon the public tires of these games, feeling (correctly) that they're at least to some degree being jerked around, even if the intentions are good. This is the core of Duncan's beef, and I agree with him.



So what happens if we review the interview with anonymous from the viewpoint that both David and Kerry knew him and knew he was here on planet earth?


Good point. I can assure you, as can Duncan, that he was a fallible, ordinary mortal, firmly rooted right here with the rest of us.

[Tommy]

Copy of Kerry's blog post(s) from today. Added due to relevance too topic.


December 18, 2011

A Note on Anonymous

For the record, as I have stated on Avalon Forum... I do know Anonymous.. I invited him to come on the show. We did this in order to get a message out there to protect David. That mission was accomplished. At great personal risk Anonymous came forward. He is not from 'off world' as some surmised. He is very much one of us. By that I mean, he is a highly gifted human with ET roots as we all are.

Another clarification

The risk to David has to do with having copies of or seen copies of the Book of Maklumat and possiblity that he may have seen the Book of Codes. The people David is dealing with have seen them (as least this is what they claim). According to one of my sources who has seen the Book of Codes, this is supposedly enough to get you killed. Several others he was with were killed.

Nothing in this story is new. All of it is out there a multitude of places. The drama focuses for the most part on the gold in the Phillippines. The word we have is that it has since been taken many places including off world. There may be some remaining gold which is under guard and also surrounded by what one might call a force field likely erected by an off-world race, possibly the Anunnaki.

Update from David's site:

..."I have also now been contacted by the Dragon Family representatives associated with the lawsuit, and as a result of this threat, I have been told to relay the following:

IF ANYTHING FURTHER HAPPENS TO DAVID WILCOCK, OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS CASE, WE WILL OPEN THE BOOK OF CODES AND THE BOOK OF MAKLUMAT TO THE PUBLIC AND YOUR ASSES WILL BE HAULED OFF TO JAIL. STAND DOWN IMMEDIATELY."
Quote from divinecosmos David's blog

Note: what David was given are copies of a portion of the The Book of Maklumat which are quite difficult to read and are separate from the Book of Codes....

http://projectcamelotproductions.com/blog-hp.html

[DNA]

This thread has turned into the perfect example of the phenomenon that I write about in this post (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36661-Speculative-Esoteric-Metaphysics). Those who hold each side, thinking that there are really two sides, continue to bicker needlessly without seeking the compromise that lies directly between them and that is always available. There are not, really, two different sides. You have the choice to choose the option that does not include continuing the drama. It's better for the heart and soul.

and you have the option to trust the psychics and channelers, the Wilcockes and Fulfords of the world, the Federation of Light and all their promises and sit on your can as most do believing that they will be saved by ascension or space ships or the work of others or you can take action yourself and be a part of your own self redemption and that of your nations' by taking intillegent action instead of counting on the dreams of others.

Can you imagine Ghandi or Martin Luther King relying on the Federation of Light? Can you imagine on Native Americans believing the Treaties? Well they did and look what happened to them.

Wilcock isn't basing all his information on psychics or channellers. He gets into "the law of one" stuff, but that is hardly the basis for the information in his seminars and video presentations.

Saying all channelling and psychic information is worthless is just cutting yourself off from potential knowledge. And equating what Wilcock is doing to the GFL is just outrageous and slanderous. This is the kind of propaganda I would expect coming from some one who watches Fox news and considers it fair and balanced.

[Kerry Cassidy]

KERRY'S BLOG
December 18, 2011

Too Tough to Cry my reply to Duncan's attack

click here for the Camelot Forum post

Yes, I am giving this added coverage. Not because Duncan is right but because many people who are out here on the firing lines with us including Duncan are feeling that somehow David got singled out because his reaction to a death threat became so public. Sorry guys. That includes me. I am out there every day. And we went public in this case because that is the Camelot motto and for good reason. It works. 'The best place to hide is out in the open'.

I was notified of the threats 25 minutes before my Wednesday night show. This is LIVE radio. Deal with it. No canned dramas, no rehearsals. Just the real thing.

And yes, he cried and showed fear. It wasn't an act. He's not a supersoldier and he doesn't wear a mask. He has that wonderful gift of a rich emotional life close to the surface. Sure he could have stood it like a man, stoic in the face of the threats. I caught him unguarded and totally accessible. So sue me. This is what we do. We put the truth out there. Raw and uncensored.

A Note on Anonymous

For the record, as I have stated on Avalon Forum... I do know Anonymous.. I invited him to come on the show. We did this in order to get a message out there to protect David. That mission was accomplished. At great personal risk Anonymous came forward. He is not from 'off world' as some surmised. He is very much one of us. By that I mean, he is a highly gifted human with ET roots as we all are.

Another clarification

The risk to David has to do with having copies of or seen copies of the Book of Maklumat and possiblity that he may have seen the Book of Codes. The people David is dealing with have seen them (as least this is what they claim). According to one of my sources who has seen the Book of Codes, this is supposedly enough to get you killed. Several others he was with were killed.

Nothing in this story is new. All of it is out there a multitude of places. The drama focuses for the most part on the gold in the Phillippines. The word we have is that it has since been taken many places including off world. There may be some remaining gold which is under guard and also surrounded by what one might call a force field likely erected by an off-world race, possibly the Anunnaki.

see my blog for updates...

Kerry

[Calz]

Thank you Kerry.

Not only for what you have done, what you are doing but also adding your voice here.

:thank_you2:

[sunnyrap]

I just read this bit below the above post on Kerry's blog, Update from David's site:

..."I have also now been contacted by the Dragon Family representatives associated with the lawsuit, and as a result of this threat, I have been told to relay the following:

IF ANYTHING FURTHER HAPPENS TO DAVID WILCOCK, OR ANYONE ELSE ON THIS CASE, WE WILL OPEN THE BOOK OF CODES AND THE BOOK OF MAKLUMAT TO THE PUBLIC AND YOUR ASSES WILL BE HAULED OFF TO JAIL. STAND DOWN IMMEDIATELY."
Quote from divinecosmos David's blog


Anyway---I have to ask if anyone can pose an answer...so why exactly, if they can do the above, is that not being done? What about the Servicce-to-Self elite program also serves those who could take them down?

[astrid]

Link to Camelot Forum post, Kerry was meaning above is here...
http://camelotforum.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&func=view&catid=37&id=69446&Itemid=164

[jp11]

Thank you Kerry, I just went onto PC and saw your blog post and then came here...and you had posted it here as well.

Why some people insist on being backseat drivers as it were, I have done this, I would do this...such crap! IMHO

Not one of you have lived inside David Wilcock. Not one of you feels what he feels, has his mind, his heart his soul. As it has been said until you have walked in his shoes...

You are entitled to your opinion, yes, but to disrespect another in the way so many of you have done, I find disgusting...and very disappointing...yet typical of sooooo many here, sorry to say. And you can justify, and explain, and speculate all you want, but bottom line until you have lived as David Wilcock, a person who has put himself out there the best way he knows how with the intent to make a difference...

How many who had stood in judgment...oh no, I wasn't judging, you say, I was stating my opinion, yeah right. If that's truly the case you need to learn a better way to communicate. How many of who have been in the public eye and been willing to be ridiculed, been the target of the haters and dissenters...and yet continue to step forward and bring the information to the public?

I have not had the opportunity to read, see, know all this information. Like many of you I've been exposed to a lot but certainly not all. And I truly appreciate someone like David putting in all together in one place. And when another here does the same I do my best to acknowledge them for that.

I thank you Kerry, David, and all the others that do the same.

[Sidney]

Thank you Kerry, I just went onto PC and saw your blog post and then came here...and you had posted it here as well.

Why some people insist on being backseat drivers as it were, I have done this, I would do this...such crap! IMHO

Not one of you have lived inside David Wilcock. Not one of you feels what he feels, has his mind, his heart his soul. As it has been said until you have walked in his shoes...

You are entitled to your opinion, yes, but to disrespect another in the way so many of you have done, I find disgusting...and very disappointing...yet typical of sooooo many here, sorry to say. And you can justify, and explain, and speculate all you want, but bottom line until you have lived as David Wilcock, a person who has put himself out there the best way he knows how with the intent to make a difference...

How many who had stood in judgment...oh no, I wasn't judging, you say, I was stating my opinion, yeah right. If that's truly the case you need to learn a better way to communicate. How many of who have been in the public eye and been willing to be ridiculed, been the target of the haters and dissenters...and yet continue to step forward and bring the information to the public?

I have not had the opportunity to read, see, know all this information. Like many of you I've been exposed to a lot but certainly not all. And I truly appreciate someone like David putting in all together in one place. And when another here does the same I do my best to acknowledge them for that.

I thank you Kerry, David, and all the others that do the same.

Couldn't have said it better. Truly disgusting to see the members of avalon acting like a bunch of first graders. Kerry and David have worked their asses off FOR US. For the people, for our freedom. The disrespect is really a hard pill to swallow.

[NewParadigmGuy]

In case anyone is interested, Volume 3 of the "Handbook for the New Paradigm" series (Becoming) states, in message 3-1,

"The controlling over-lords are intent on returning this planet to a bare minimum of tightly enslaved beings that can return to their original intent of stripping the needed minerals for the salvation of their own civilization at the expense of this planet and its inhabitants."

[Bill Ryan]

Bill,

I have stated I knew anonymous. Thanks for your 2 cents. It was no dog and pony show and your sarcasm is not appreciated.

The aim was to save David's life. Whether you like it or not. That was accomplished.

I never said I didn't know Anonymous and neither did David. That is hardly the point. You have promised not to release the identity of that individual and I expect you to keep your word.

Lives are at risk here.

Thank you.

Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot

Kerry, I did not reveal the identity of your anonymous guest. I promised that to you when we spoke the other day, and I will keep my word. I made public my appreciation of the way you handled the show, under pressure of time and in a very difficult situation. I also said that in my opinion you made an error of judgment in bringing your guest on to the show and supporting him in the theatrics, that honored and informed no-one. I told you that when we spoke.

The phrase 'dog and pony show' was not mine. Maybe you haven't read Duncan's blog post here:

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/wilcock-death-threat-dog-and-pony-show-lions-tigers-and-bears-oh-no

Do read it, by the way. I wonder whether you will also reply also to Duncan, publicly, in similar vein.

Love, Bill

[sunnyrap]

I learned sometime ago that high ethics is also the best and most practical choice to survival. I've always thought meanness, cruelty and (small-) selfishness-greed-avarice to be ultimately stupid and short-sighted. It's been my experience that the highly intelligent, like David, just don't see avarice-malfeasance coming and it is quite shocking when it does...simply because it does not make good logical sense.

Also think that's the same reason so many people don't really believe in a sociopathic-elite. If they were smart enough to grab reigns of power...why could they not make the next logical association about the stupidity of exclusivity? Even given the corrupting power of wealth-power, his is a true puzzle to me. Any contributions to resolving this enigma would be appreciation.

[NexusEditor]

This is what the editor of Nexus had to say about this on another forum:


This story is based on very old news.

Any decent researcher will remember the work of David Guyatt (www.deepblacklies.co.uk) who put this into the public domain over ten years ago via Nexus Magazine. Guyatt got death threats over it, and I received regular 'demands' for Guyatt's email details for at least eight years afterwards.

Fulford seems to have regurgitated what Guyatt dug up, and Wilcock has added his own spin on it, and is now crying on Project Camelot's latest radio show over a death threat he got. Unbelievable drama queen. Martyrdom Marketing at its best I say.

Fast forward to the June 2009 story about the two Japanese caught at the Swiss-Italian border with US$134.5 BILLION in US bonds. The story disappeared after a while because nobody would 'talk'.

Meanwhile this guy Neil Keenan comes out of nowhere and claims the above bonds were entrusted to him. Maybe he is for real, maybe he is bull****ting. Time will tell. He would certainly not be the first person trying to cash in on fake bonds - and the story is surely an embarrassment to TPTB. Maybe Keenan is gambling they will just give him money to shut up and go away, while the sheeple move onto the next 'shiney' thing - ie Xmas or the NFL.

Either way, they are all regurgitating old news about the history of gold standards vs fiat monetary systems, and the deals between the east and western powers going back a century or two, and then tying it into the $134.5 BILLION bond story.It's GLP and I will post the link if it won't cause me to get insta-banned.

The Editor of Nexus sounds a bit jealous that a story which has been known about for ages is being run with by other people now ... aka Ben and David ... and that Ben and David are getting better results publicity-wise. I'm not criticising him/her...it's a natural human reaction and I've experienced it myself when something I've been banging on about for years suddenly hits the zeitgiest through the efforts of someone else, and they get all the credit for it.

However, I think his jealousy is clouding his judgement because he's missing the point.. and that is, the reason more people are interested now (and not so much then) is because of changed circumstances. All the money in the world appears to have run out, the banks are broke, the IMF is going round the world with a begging bowl, and so we're all suddenly questioning things we took for granted before and asking questions like

What is money?
What is its value based on?
Where has all the money gone?
And how do we get it back?

I posted that on GLP in response to a bunch of other posted questions and emails I got asking for my opinion. How easy to accuse me of 'jealousy' and 'missing the point' when you knowingly quote me out of context on another forum. I guess you just want to look good in the eyes of this forum by putting me down?
What I said stands. David Guyatt deserves the attention and accolades for the bulk of what is in Wilcock's article, and I acknowledge that Wilcock notes this himself. I think David has done a good job outlining the history of the gold standard vs fiat currency battles - it is a pity more people don't realise that it was this aspect of the article that attracted the unwanted attention of the low-level intel agencies. After all, some of the players are still alive.

[gripreaper]

The central themes are 1) gold, who has it, what are it's alchemical properties which are so valuable, and who wants it. 2) The emotions we humans feel.

After reading the entire 111 page lawsuit filed in the District of New York, I find that the story does not add up. First off, allegedly 85% of the worlds wealth ended up in the hands of the elite dynastic families of Asia in Roman times because the Roman elite, the same elite banksters who have been in control for centuries, bloodline descendants of the Babylonian Kings, wanted to buy spices and silks from Asia, which they paid for in gold? And this is how the transfer of the wealth of this planet ended up in the Dragon families possession? And then, sometime before World War 2 these same Asian dynastic families decided to entrust these same assets to the bankster cabal, known as the Federal Reserve in exchange for bonds because some Japanese gangsters were trying to steal it, as long as this Federal Reserve bankster Cabal used these assets for humanitarian reasons? And now these Asian dynastic families want this gold back and the Federal Reserve doesn't want to give it back and that is why they blew up the World Trade Center, to stop delivery of this gold?

First off, if these Asian dynastic families go back into history before Egypt and Babylon, would they not know who these bloodline banksters are? And, if so, why would they entrust these assets to them in the first place? The speculations are many, which I wont go into here, but my supposition is that this alleged gold, which has been mined on this planet for hundreds of thousands of years, is being offloaded off planet, and the banksters don't have it, and the Asian dynasties gave it to them for some reason which has not been disclosed yet.

Second, in the long term context of this planet and us humans and why we are here, we are here to bring the fulness of spirit into a body and be "enlightened" within that body, not to transcend the body and leave it behind. The ability to "emote" is the whole point, and this is what connects us to our spirituality, and should be looked upon as a strength, not a weakness. So, without emotions and the ability to feel, then what is the point of taking incarnation into a body?

Just my two cents to add to this long drawn out thread which has massive amounts of energy flying around it to be vampired, which is the other nefarious reason for such shenanigans. In any event, the spotlight in the alternative news communities is all over this and it has encapsulated and transfixed the entire discourse for several days. What's really going on and why the distraction?

[apokalypse]

don't shoot the messenger Kerry and David Wilock, they only trying to pass the information. one person who blame is you have no doubt but believe into these information or the intent of information and live on hope expect someone to save you i don't know what's the real truth behind the curtain therefore in doubt to all of these kind of information what are their purpose/intent are, now i'm more into David Icke kind of work spread truth about current world, and Alex Collier underlying message/philosophy.


what's with obsession with Gold? sound very like Annunaki but they have good reason... i know gold can do great things and these secret societies didn't make the use of it but they turn it into medium of exchange for value, i have been hearing they wanted to replace current money system with gold/silver. for the good of humanity these Dragon Family could have release few pages in the Book of Maklumat/Book of Code to awake people but instead they keep use it as a threats to western secret societies for their own intention ...for many reason like this i don't buy these Ben Fulford stories and $1 trillion lawsuit.

i still believe these two or any secret societies both of the same coin battle for the control, if you disagree please enlight me...

[Unified Serenity]

I share this in love because despite countless words, some want to think the issue with DW was about his emotional breakdown, and it was not. This video is not about Dw, it's about You. It's about me. It's about truth and love. I share this in deepest love for you all. I got it on Wormhole's thread and it's one of the best videos I have ever seen:

UrAgb1-UKQ8

[Calz]

Here we go ... *PART 2*

(cut due to length)

________________


The Trillion-Dollar Lawsuit That Could End Financial Tyranny, Part II: History Lesson

Written by David Wilcock
Sunday, 18 December 2011 07:33

David's life has been threatened to tell you this story... so we are rushing it out to insure his safety. This is the big one... over two million tons of gold secretly confiscated by the Federal Reserve to create "bubble money", and the lawsuit that could bring the whole global conspiracy crashing down.



THANK YOU ALL FOR YOUR SUPPORT

First of all, I want to thank you for giving this your serious consideration. Nothing I've ever written before has gotten me a death threat -- and though I consider myself a strong person, I was quite disturbed by it.

I sprung into immediate action to insure this electrifying story went as far as wide as possible -- in case anything happened to me.

We now have multiple, powerful insider groups pledging to protect me -- and the story has spread so quickly through the Internet that I believe its publicity is its greatest protection.

As I prepare to post this section, we've already had over 400,000 hits, 1000 written comments and 21,000 Facebook Likes on Part One in less than six days.

Tens of thousands of people are writing about this on their own websites, and the growth rate is at least geometric, if not logarithmic at this point.


HERE'S WHAT HAPPENED

It was 3:30 PM on Wednesday, December 14th, 2011 when I found out I might be tortured to death for writing "The Trillion-Dollar Lawsuit That Could End Financial Tyranny."

I was told I should get Part Two out that night for my own protection, as this was the most sensitive, jealously-guarded secret of all -- and tomorrow may be too late.

I moved very quickly to protect myself once this call came in, immediately publishing "death threat" updates to my article, which was already extremely popular. Kerry Cassidy suddenly called me and told me she was going on the radio in 20 minutes and recommended I join her. I ran into the shower and started the show immediately after I dried off in a hurry.

Our outdoor heat pump was dying after 23 years of service, so the room was disturbingly cold. All the lights would noticeably dim for three seconds every minute or two as I heard the compressor struggle in vain to kick on. I had no idea how long the power would stay on or how much I would be able to get out on the air.

I'd barely had time to think about how horrible it would be to die of torture. It all hit me while I was on the show. From what you've been telling me in your letters, hardly anyone can listen to this show without crying.

Our heat pump wasn't the only equipment that nearly died of exhaustion during this broadcast. We literally collapsed American Freedom Radio's streaming audio server for the first time in their entire history -- due to unprecedented demand.


YOU MAY HAVE SAVED MY LIFE

Kerry's fast action, as well as Coast bringing me on the air for an update the next night, may very well have saved my life. However, none of this would have been enough to protect me if you hadn't sprung into action so quickly -- by educating yourself and spreading the word far and wide.

For that, you have my eternal gratitude.

Everyone is pissed off about the world economy right now, and this is the real history of how we all ended up in this position. It's not a cosmic, sci-fi story about extraterrestrials and UFOs. It's very tangible, very terrestrial, and very straightforward.

This information is so amazing, and has been kept so secret, that I expect many great movies will be written about it for years to come. You are about to be one of the very first to learn something that will ultimately be common knowledge.

This is Part Two of an article series. The information is quite intricate and not everything will be reiterated. For that reason, you may want to read Part One and get familiar, if you are not already:

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/995-lawsuit-end-tyranny


A BRIEF OVERVIEW

In Part One I gave undeniable proof that a lawsuit has been filed in the Southern District Court of New York, naming the United Nations, World Economic Forum, the Italian Republic and the Italian Financial Police as defendants -- among others.


This lawsuit is one visible manifestation of an international, 122-nation campaign that is actively bringing down the "Old World Order." This secretive cabal has been destroying our planet with bubble money -- which is backed by nothing but hot air.

This, at least, is what we have all been led to believe. It turns out that the nations of the world actually are on a gold standard... it's simply been kept hidden from the public, with no accountability.

It may not sound like much, but this is the biggest secret of all. Talking about this is so dangerous that it has remained almost completely invisible -- even to the massive numbers of people scouring the Internet for the latest conspiracy news.

I've been actively researching the world of occult, insider politics since 1993 -- but it took me all this time to finally put the pieces together.

Without finding the right insiders who were willing to risk their lives to help me see the Big Picture, this entire story would never have been possible.

Now, in Part Two, I want to focus in on the "Big Picture" that is now assembling as various insiders come forward -- with breathtaking new information.


IT'S VITALLY IMPORTANT TO KNOW WHO YOU'RE DEALING WITH

Before we launch into the story, we need to set up the characters. Otherwise, you may have difficulty understanding how this Nazi-type mentality could exist. Denial is the main weapon that has kept this story secret for so long.

You might also fall into an even more dangerous pattern: the Salem witch-burning mentality of "Us" versus "Them," "Black" versus "White," "God's Chosen" versus "Satan's Demons."

These are real people, not cartoon monsters. That is ultimately what guarantees that the plans of these groups cannot succeed.

However, if you don't know who you're dealing with, you will never be able to understand them enough to help solve the problem.

The majority of their members are miserable, feel trapped, and want nothing more than to escape -- and to be treated with love and respect.

The groups themselves are far too big, interconnected, worldwide and powerful to be transformed from the outside.

The only real shot you have at changing the world is by changing the people in the world -- including those within these groups.

You can't do that by stepping in, acting like a hot shot and telling them what to do. You have to listen to them, understand them, find out what they want, what they need and why they have been hurting so much.

And that's called love.


A LIFE OF MISERY

So here's the key: They grew up in a life that is so much worse than anything you've experienced that you could barely even begin to understand them -- how they really think and feel, moment to moment, day to day. Nonetheless, it is possible to do so -- if not vital.

I believe almost anyone can be "broken" and become sociopathic if they are tortured enough -- regardless of their age. Look at any hardened criminal and you will find he got that way from being abused... usually thanks to an alcoholic parent.

Nonetheless, he always has the choice to step back from his own life and look at it like an outside observer.

He can observe himself, see what has happened, and strive to forgive and accept those experiences. He can forgive himself for the things he has done to others as well -- seeing how difficult it was for him not to repeat the same patterns.

He can also realize that even though his own family life was horrible, most people are not like that. There is real love out there. There are people who really do care, and will give their lives to help someone else.


NO SUPPORT SYSTEM... AND THE ABUSE GOES ON

However, for most people who have experienced severe abuse, this process of forgiveness is much, much too difficult. It requires a level of personal strength and willpower they simply cannot produce, because our society lacks effective support systems to help them heal.

If you can't face your own pain, you usually end up running away from it. This is where alcohol and drugs become very effective tools in making your life more bearable. I speak from experience, with over 19 years of sobriety at this point.

Our abused child then grows into a man. He picks up the bottle just like Daddy did, finding that it helps to mask the pain of the horrors he went through -- for a few hours at a time, until he passes out -- only to wake up with a terrible hangover.

He abuses his own wife and children in a desperate attempt to release the emotional agony he is feeling inside, and try to feel better about himself.

Unfortunately, abuse just creates more abuse. No one feels 'loved' by being abused. They fight back. This just makes Daddy even more angry, which creates even more abuse.

The vicious cycle continues.


TRAUMA TAKES MANY FORMS

There is another form of torture that can create even more psychological damage than being yelled at and beaten. Having sex forced on you against your will, particularly if you are a child, creates very significant damage.

I continue to be shocked at the lack of social awareness about this issue. Everyone should know that forcing sex on another person, even one time, can create an inner scream that will haunt every day of their lives for years and years to come.

I've lived with people who have been through this. It's not pretty.

If you are hurt this way by one of your parents, this creates an even more extreme type of damage -- a violation of the sacred bond of family and trust that, again, is almost impossible for the average person to comprehend.

We now know this trauma actually re-wires the brain to be hyper-vigilant... ready to flip into fight-or-flight mode much faster than a person who hasn't been through this.

They will almost always develop a hair-trigger temper, ready to explode at the slightest provocation. It will be difficult or impossible for them to trust anyone. Everyone is a suspect. Everyone is a thief. Everyone is a scumbag.

They will have extreme anger boiling right below the surface of their conscious mind at all times. Underneath this is a sorrow so profound that they fear if they let themselves cry, they will be unable to stop -- and will want to commit suicide.

Many of them will be so damaged they can barely function in society -- except in predictable, unchallenging lives with as little exposure to risk, change or genuine hard work as possible. Others will become "thrill seekers" and constantly seek the next adrenaline rush.


CAN YOU HEAL?

It is possible to heal from these events, yes... but it takes a lot of work.

If you have been through a childhood that involved routine humiliation, yelling, beating or other forms of assault, it can be very difficult for you to truly develop empathy for the feelings and emotions of others. It's all about you, your pain, your story, your mission.

You will typically build your identity around the idea of being "strong."

You will also naturally resent those who are "weak."

You may well see them as easy targets to be exploited and manipulated for your own gain -- puppets who can create wealth for you without you having to do very much work.

You may feel you are teaching them a valuable lesson by controlling and manipulating them. The more they listen to what you tell them to do, the better and stronger they will become as people.

Ultimately, they will get strong enough to rise up against you. They have finally awakened to their own power and strength. Now you reveal to them how special they are -- and you may even invite them to join you.

Then, together, you can continue to help awaken others who are "weak". You know that only the most gifted ones will learn how to become "strong" -- and understand the deeper reasons behind the seemingly senseless things you have been doing.


BONDING WITH THE GROUP

The bottom line is that if you abuse and torture a person consistently enough, he will almost inevitably have no sense of compassion or regard for others -- unless he can get away from you and go through a profound healing process. It's that simple.

However, you can tailor your abuse to create extreme loyalty and love in the person. This is done by alternating between severe "punishment" and love-bombing -- pumping them up to make them feel special.

A typical analogy is an abusive husband who beats his wife, only to show her "grandiose gestures of affection" afterwards -- such as a huge bouquet of roses.

In crisis hotline training, we watched videos of horribly beaten women, with their eyes nearly swollen shut, gushing about how much they still loved their husbands -- and how they understood why he beat them.

Like Stockholm Syndrome, you can end up falling in love with the very people who tortured you the most. It is far easier to adopt their beliefs and accept their "punishment" than to go against them, for sedition is death.

The ultimate goal for any group like this is worldwide power and control. That's the Holy Grail -- at least until they reach a level of technology that would allow them to migrate off-planet.

If you can wrap your mind around the idea that people like this actually exist, and have been meticulously planning on world domination for hundreds of years, you can begin to understand how we got where we are today -- and how simple their motive really is.


IT'S REALLY COOL TO HAVE MONEY

It's really cool to have money. Let's face it. You can go out there and do whatever you want -- indulging your greatest fantasies.

Now imagine that you could create as much money as you wanted, whenever you wanted, out of thin air.

Once you gain the ability to do this, you have become the ultimate magician -- wielding the very essence of the Universe in its physical form.

You can create power, wealth and prestige at the push of a button. If you can dream it, you can do it. You have true mastery and dominion.

People will do whatever you tell them just so they can get a little closer to you -- and taste some of the magic. You could be butt-ugly, but now you're the hottest thing in town -- and everybody wants to be your Number One.

The world is truly at your fingertips: "He Who Has the Peso Has the Say-So."

Unlimited money, for unlimited self-indulgence, is the ultimate goal of everyone who lusts for power -- and believes they are one of the "Strong."


HOW COULD IT EVEN BE POSSIBLE ?

How could you ever hope to pull off such an incredible stunt as to be able to create money out of thin air, all over the world, and have people believe you?

Most people don't think like this. Very few would be willing to do enough "homework" to figure out how to accomplish such a seemingly impossible feat.

Look at all the different countries and cultures in the world. All those languages. All those customs. All those people. All those lands.

It could take years and years of research by many thousands of people to even begin to understand what might be required to rule over them.

You would need high-level espionage. You would need to dominate every new business that comes along, by whatever means necessary. Many of your best people would lose their lives as they attempt to gain the most sensitive information for you.

Some of your people would train their whole lives to learn one language, just to do one job undercover -- and they may never even get the right "window" to use the skills they trained for. It could take years for a spy to gain someone's trust and learn the deepest secrets.

Naturally, you would need the most extreme secrecy imaginable to accomplish something of this size, scope and complexity.

It would take hundreds of years of meticulous planning to accomplish such a stunning goal -- and only your great, great, great, great grand-children would be able to enjoy its ultimate benefits.


TAKE ALL THE GOLD IN ORDER TO CREATE WORLDWIDE FIAT CURRENCY

It wouldn't take very long for you to figure out that your number-one enemy is gold and treasure. The more gold is out there, the more trouble you've got.

People are naturally greedy and fearful. Gold represents real wealth they can hold in their hands. If any gold-backed money is available, they will obviously want it -- and reject your "worthless paper".

Let's say you already know there is an incredibly large amount of gold in the world.

Let's say you also have a very good idea of where most of it is.

Somehow you've got to take that gold "off market" and hide it away forever -- without the public ever even knowing about it.

Otherwise, you will always be vulnerable to someone creating a gold-backed financial system.

The ignorant, drooling masses of the weak would immediately lose faith in your printing press... and rush to hoard gold.


YOU NEED TO USE VIOLENCE

Of course, lots of people already have gold. You can't let them keep it if you want to create your magic money printing press.

Otherwise, they could band together, pool their resources and take you down.

Naturally, they won't just hand over their gold to you willingly. They will have weapons in their homes -- and tell you to come pry the gold out of their cold, dead hands.

That's the point. You will need to use violence in order to create this new, global financial system.

Military invasions will be necessary to force individual gold holders or even entire nations to give up their assets.

Futhermore, you somehow have to convince the majority of the world's leaders that it is in their best interest to do this -- or else kill them if they don't go along with it.

Once you've got control of the worldwide magic printing press in your hands, it doesn't matter what the world leaders think -- but until then, you'd better give the people a great story.

Create something that really arouses their deepest feelings of patriotism and passion.


KEEP IT SECRET... KEEP IT SAFE

When the common people see violence occurring, including invading armies, you need to give them compelling, believable reasons for why these horrible events took place.

Cook up some outrageous assassinations and atrocities against the people who stand in your way. Figure out who you want the people to be angry at, and then blame them for everything you did.

All of this is nothing but elaborate stagecraft -- while the real goal is to get all their gold, so you can create as much money as you want.

In the meantime, you secretly tell the leaders of the various nations that these atrocities are actually a sad but necessary key to creating world peace, security and prosperity -- and preventing far greater tragedies from occurring.

Any government, military or financial leaders who disagree with the plan are threatened or killed, to insure everyone is on the same page.

Every leader who goes along with the plan is assured that it will ultimately generate much greater abundance and happiness... a world free of war, suffering and depravity.


A NECESSARY EVIL... FOR A GREATER GOOD

That was the promise. That was the carrot. A New World Order... of peace, prosperity and happiness. All of this really got started with the founding of the Federal Reserve in 1913, the Bank of International Settlements in 1921, and the Bretton Woods agreement in 1944.

World leaders are not geniuses. They are often ordinary people with ordinary intellects who happened to win or steal an election. Or, they were simply appointed into that position because of who their parents were.

This plan for a New World Order was presented before them as a necessary evil... which only someone at their illustrious level of power and influence could even hope to understand.

They would undoubtedly spend long nights in bed, staring at the ceiling and tossing and turning in a cold sweat, as they realized what had to be done.

However, sooner or later, as ugly and horrifying as it would be, they would realize they had to act on behalf of the greater good -- for their children's children's children. And they knew if they didn't go along with the plan, they would be assassinated.

Every world leader is forced to make decisions that could kill countless numbers of people in order to secure the interests of the country -- and the planet. That's life. That's reality. That's what it takes. So put on your uniform, suck it up and get over it.

Yes... it would be very painful to create this new system, but once it was done, everyone's lives would be much better.



THEY FELT THEY HAD BEEN DECEIVED

By 1954, the 77 "non-aligned" nations of the world clearly felt they had been deceived.

Instead of the golden era of peace and prosperity they expected to develop after the end of World War II and the signing of the Bretton Woods agreement, the world had been plunged into even deeper horrors.

The United States and the Soviet Union were arming up for total nuclear war and planetary annihilation.

The US dollars that were promised for humanitarian programs to build up developing nations never arrived.

The dollar, as a "global reserve currency", got distracted into pumping up the military machine.

The non-aligned nations wanted to change the system, but did not have the military force to do anything to stop it. Anyone who dared to make the slightest little whisper about what was going on would be threatened or killed.

This invisible, desperate battle has continued straight through to this very day.

This is the biggest secret. This is the real history of the global financial system. This is the story that almost got me killed. This is a small taste of how the blueprint for global control was meticulously followed... over the course of hundreds of years.



ASIA: WHERE THE WHOLE STORY BEGINS

The greatest secret in the world, as I have now discovered, is that "Gold is as Plentiful as Sand." This is obviously an exaggeration, but apparently not by much. It has been truly stunning for me to uncover this information.

All this gold had to be confiscated, by a vast method of worldwide deception, in order to pave the way for a "New World Order" -- where money could be created out of thin air.

To truly understand this highly secretive battle that has led to "The Trillion-Dollar Lawsuit That Could End Financial Tyranny," you have to go back in time.

Everything ultimately becomes East Versus West in this grand "Illuminati" game -- as I finally now understand.

My investigation of this story led to direct threats against my life, relayed by one of my top insiders. Therefore I take this very seriously... and I don't want to leave anything out.


WHAT IS WEALTH, EXACTLY?

Let's begin by thinking about wealth. What do people really see as being valuable?

Wealth doesn't just appear in the form of commodities like gold -- it also manifests in high-quality products of various kinds.

Anything that enhances our comfort and enjoyment of life is wealth. It's something we're more than happy to pay for.

For thousands of years, Asia was producing the most highly-regarded stuff in the world -- including those things that appealed to the most primal human instincts.


ALL THE FINEST PLEASURES

Asians discovered there was a white worm that would spin flossy webs of a very fine material. This material could be collected, gently cooked and made into durable clothing that was extremely soft -- almost supernaturally soft.

Asians also spent hundreds of generations hunting for the best possible dyes -- allowing them to make bright, vibrant colors that were not available anywhere else in the world.

By combining these two technologies, gorgeous, colorful silk fabrics with incredible designs could be produced.

The softness of silk was directly associated with sexual pleasure.

The feeling of wearing or rubbing against silk was enough to get you totally aroused -- and it was also very expensive.

Cotton was also a key Asian import. You could make clothes that were much softer, and more comfortable than linen or wool, and much less prone to wrinkling than linen.


GORGEOUS CERAMICS

Asians were also making all sorts of ceramics, including incredibly detailed vases painted with dragons in gold leaf. Elaborate, fancy china sets were also created, using firing techniques unknown to the Western world.

Still to this day, Westerners have a deep, almost genetic memory of impressing their guests by "breaking out the fine china."

In the olden days, simply having a genuine china set to serve dinner on was a sign that you were really a hot shot. Otherwise your plates and bowls were probably made out of wood, metal or stone.

Tea-drinking, so central to European life, simply isn't the same without white ceramic teacups -- which could only be purchased in China.

For many hundreds of years, no one had any idea how to make such fine glazed ceramics in the West -- though they did finally catch up.


ORIENTAL RUGS

We are bombarded by images. In any given day, we can see tens of thousands of different images of beautiful things and beautiful places... all without ever leaving the home.

It wasn't until I visited the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York that I realized why people would pay so much money for paintings... back in the old days.

There were no pictures. There were no movies. There was nothing to see. If you didn't go to these beautiful places in person, you didn't see anything nice. Period.

Who could afford to travel? And even if you did go somewhere that was beautiful, how much of the view would you really remember as the years went by?

Most people's lives were too caught up in day-to-day survival to ever see something as majestic as a mountaintop view or a beautiful shore. If they were lucky, they might get to see the color of fresh spring flowers for a few weeks a year -- that's it.

It took a lot of work for me to imagine my way into such a boring, monochromatic life -- seeing the exact same things, day after day, and nothing else. Nothing nice. Nothing special. Just the same four wooden walls.

Asians were making rugs that were extremely detailed, colorful and beautiful. Everyone had to have one. It became the focal-point of your home. You could lose yourself in the beauty of its patterns -- and let your mind drift to finer worlds.


FOOD USED TO BE MONOCHROMATIC AS WELL

We completely take flavors for granted these days. People would have literally killed each other to get their hands on those little containers in our kitchen that we haven't even opened in the last five years.

It's hard to imagine a life in which the food was as bland and monochromatic as the scenery -- but that's the way it was.

Asia had delicious spices that were unavailable anywhere else in the world -- key ingredients we now take for granted in dinners and desserts.

For example, cinnamon was extremely rare and expensive just a couple hundred years ago. It came from the bark of a tree that only grew in Asia.

Not only is cinnamon a well-known aphrodisiac, just think about what happens to almost any dessert with a little cinnamon added in... particularly cooked apples. Without that complex, marvelously seductive note of cinnamon, it's just not the same.

Nowadays, if you see a jar of cinnamon on the ground, you probably won't even pick it up. In the old days, you would have grabbed it and ran like hell.

Sugar wasn't available except as an Asian spice back in those days either. The same goes for coffee. Life just wasn't as sweet without Asian goods.


THINK ABOUT ALL THE ASIAN SPICES

Imagine tasting the zing of chili peppers for the first time. Or the distinctive enchantment of coriander -- known as cilantro in Mexico, a key ingredient in making guacamole and burritos taste right.

Black pepper was so greatly loved that it is still a cliche' in the Western world to have it on your table, right next to the salt. This was ultimately the single most profitable and widespread Asian spice export -- literally shipping out by the ton.

Ginger adds a deliciously complex buzz to sweet and savory dishes alike. Only the very rich could afford gingerbread or ginger cookies.

The licorice flavor comes from anise... which is native to China. Don't just think about candy... veggies flavored with anise form an excellent companion to fine meats, such as lamb or fish.


AND THAT'S NOT ALL

In a Thai restaurant, you will be dazzled by notes of lime leaves, lemongrass, Thai basil, coconut extract and galangal. Imagine the joy of bringing that taste home with you after a long, fascinating adventure into Asia.

Cloves add marvelous subtlety to sweet and savory dishes. They became essential additions into a ham before roasting it -- and made cookies and sweet breads 'pop' in a way nothing else could. If you were really outrageous you could even smoke them like cigarettes.

Nutmeg was another key Asian spice -- a marvelous addition to many dishes. Ever taste egg nog? All that splendid, complex flavor is thanks to nutmeg.

The slightly funky allure of cumin can make meats and savory breads come alive -- particularly with some nice salt and some of the other spices included. Pair it up with curry leaves, cardamom and turmeric, also only available from Asia, and now you really have something.

And, for someone who lives on "Earl Grey" black tea as a staple of life, day in and day out, imagine what a game-changer it is the first time you sip a beverage brewed from the finest blossoms of jasmine.


IMAGINE THE SCENE NOW

Only the ultra-rich, gold-encrusted Westerners could afford to have the best-tasting food.

Imagine busting out a dinner with even a few of the amazing flavors I've just listed above -- in an otherwise monochromatic world. Jasmine tea. Cinnamon. Sugar. Ginger. Pepper. Cumin. Coffee. Curry. Cardamom. Licorice. Cloves.

Only the very rich could brighten up their dreary days with the best desserts -- and the best flavors mixed into their appetizers and entrees.

Think about how powerful it is to serve someone a meal made with flavors their body immediately craves, with almost a sexual urging -- even though they have never tasted them before.

Now imagine these meals being served on incredible gold-leaf china, on a fancy table that sits on top of a majestic Oriental rug -- with a huge dragon vase in the corner of the room.

If you want to build your status and power in the world, and put on a big show for a potential investor in your latest venture, this would be a great way to do it. "Where do I sign?"


DRUGS AND MONEY

If your investor still wasn't ready to sign, there was nothing quite like smokin' him up on some high-octane Asian opium -- the ancient forerunner of modern-day heroin.

After that delicious dinner, a beautiful woman hands him his incredible silk "smoking jacket" -- just a sexy Asian robe, disguised with a more manly-sounding name.

The hookah beckons him in to the opium den with its spidery arms. Silk pillows and curtains, in lurid reds and pinks, line the room as the almost absurdly-sweet smoke hangs lazily in the air.

You might also want to burn incense in there to make it smell even more extravagant. Sandalwood was another very expensive, highly sought-after Asian export.

Who knows what kinds of wild sex and mystical dreams he will have once he goes in there -- with the prostitutes you'd hired for the occasion?

What a show.

Similar pleasures were used to convince men to commit contract murders for payment, without question -- in the Order of Assassins.


NO GOLD, NO LUCK

One amazing dinner served on fine china, followed by an after-party in the opium den, could practically guarantee you would get all the best business contracts.

The most beautiful and highly prestigious women, from the most illustrious families in the country, would all want to join your lavishly opulent parties.

Asia had every ticket to Paradise the ultra-rich could ever ask for... and what could possibly be worth more?

There's one big problem, though. The Asians refused to accept anything as payment except gold. No trade. No barter. No money. No nothing.

"Paper money? What is this? You want this, and you want to give me a piece of paper? You... you get the hell out of here!"

If you didn't have gold, you got sent home empty-handed.

For this same reason, much of the gold of the Roman Empire, and later of the Spanish empire, ended up in Asia.


THE SECRET ASIAN GOLDMINES

This is one key way in which 85 percent of the world's gold ended up in Asia.

When I interviewed Fulford in Part One, his sources had informed him this was the main way that Asia got all the gold.

However, a very high-ranking Asian insider has now given me incredible new information on all of this.

Neither he nor his associates have spoken to Fulford or anyone else in the public eye about what they know -- for it is much too dangerous.

It turns out there are massive, massive deposits of gold in Asia that have been kept secret -- but more on that in a minute.


THE JADE LION

This insider did not contact me through the Internet. A good friend of mine told him about me, and what I was working on, during a recent trip he took through Asia. They had already been friends for many years by this point.

Had my friend not discussed my story, and the secrets I've been uncovering, he probably never would have heard a thing about the highly dangerous, hidden life this man had been leading -- for over 20 years now.

At first, when my friend told me this story, it sounded too good. Too easy. Too convenient. I didn't even take it seriously. I laughed it off. However, once my life was threatened, I started paying attention.

I spoke to this new insider the day after I got my death threat, using my friend's phone for security. I asked tons of questions and got the whole story in meticulous detail. It is almost impossible that this could have been a setup to feed me disinformation.

This is not a random stranger. His bonafides are well-established -- and for now, he must remain anonymous, along with much of his story. I will call him the Jade Lion.


GOLD IS EVERYWHERE

JL revealed that China is sitting on top of an absolutely colossal gold mine.

Secret gold deposits run through Cambodia, Laos and other countries in Southeast Asia as well. It is as if they are literally standing and walking on gold. It's everywhere.


THE ELDERS

This secret gold deposit came under the control of a mysterious group known by various names... a group that was instrumental in the founding of modern-day China.

Some call them the Dragon Family. JL says they simply call themselves the Elders.

This is the same group that was responsible for building over 100 pyramids in the Xian province of China.

Emperor Qin, the first of the Dragon Family to rule China, ordered the "Terra Cotta Soldiers" to be built out of his entire army -- each one completely personalized, down to the last man -- and then had them all buried under one of the pyramids.


According to another high-level insider who corroborated much of these details, the Elders now live in the Forbidden Zone of China. It's very highly secure and is almost like a nation-state unto itself.

Very few people can gain access to it at all -- and it is in a tough mountainous region.

No one would dare threaten the Elders because they have a vast, worldwide network of contacts, as well as the military power of the current Chinese government behind them.


INCREDIBLE LONGEVITY

JL told me the Elders eat an extremely pure diet -- and cultivate special herbs and medicines that have given them incredible longevity.

Another insider suggested the Elders may possess secrets about the healing benefits of gold that most people are not aware of either.

This could partly explain the otherwise ridiculous-sounding idea that some Elders can live to be as much as 300 years old.

I know I may have lost you right there. However, I will not let my personal biases get in the way of reporting the truth to you, as it was told to me by Jade Lion and others.

One key Elder handling the lawsuit I am about to discuss -- different from the trillion-dollar complaint mentioned in Part One -- is apparently 165 years old, according to JL.


WERE THEY COLONISTS?

I asked JL if the Elders were the direct descendants of humans who were born on another planet and migrated here. He personally has no knowledge of this, and was told their supernatural lifespan was merely due to diet and herbs.

Other high-level insiders have revealed to me that fully five different groups of extraterrestrial humans have colonized the Earth in the past. The Elders are apparently the living descendants of one of these groups.

The larger Chinese pyramids were apparently built as landing platforms for their ships. I have been told there are still vast networks of crystalline pipes underneath the ground, linking these sites together.


Much like an RV-equipped park, these pipes allowed them to have water, sewage and power hookups when they landed. Their ships' defense systems insured they would remain safe from any locals who wanted to attack them.

Chinese legends do report that the pyramids were built by "the Ancient Ones who descended to Earth in flying metallic dragons," as I reveal in The Source Field Investigations.


FIVE KEY BLOODLINES

Again, according to top insiders I have spoken with, there were five key groups of off-planet immigrants in more recent times.

Each of these groups became royal families in their respective regions. They have tended to keep their bloodlines intact.

Let me be clear in saying that the Elders are peace-loving, highly evolved people.

They wish to see our world transform into a much more positive, loving and prosperous place for everyone.

This is surely going to be one of the most surprising, mind-blowing things to emerge once we do finally have Disclosure.


BRING OVER YOUR FAVORITE STUFF

It is also quite possible that the Elders brought many of their favorite things over from their home world. This may explain why so many great spices could only be found in Asia and nowhere else.

They may also have released some of their technology to the people -- including silk and ceramics manufacturing techniques.

It is also possible that the silkworms themselves were not originally native to this planet.

One of my top insiders told me that the great pyramid-building cultures of Atlantis were all founded by immigrant humans who came here from other worlds.

Some people may be laughing at this now, but I don't think they have a whole lot of time left to remain ignorant of these things.


DO THEY HAVE OFF-PLANET ALLIES WITH ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY?

Remember -- JL did not have any personal knowledge of the Elders being the descendants of off-planet human immigrants.

Nonetheless, I also asked him if the Elders have contact with people who have advanced technology and do not live on Earth -- perhaps their own distant relatives.

He personally has no knowledge of this, but he did accept that he may not be on a "need-to-know basis" for information like that.


CHINA'S OCTOBER SURPRISE

JL's data nonetheless provides stunning new context to the story of China's October Surprise that I've been hearing from my own insiders.

If you've been following my website, you know I've been tracking this story ever since October 2010, when it all really started.

The basic gist of the story was that the Federal Reserve screwed China -- and in these negotiations, they were told if they didn't pay up and surrender, China's extraterrestrial allies would begin systematically destroying their ability to take over the planet.

There are a wide variety of seemingly inexplicable failures of military equipment that can be attributed to this -- including a spectacular failure of 50 ICBMs in Wyoming, during which time a cigar-shaped UFO was seen hovering over the facility.

These extraterrestrials are apparently working with China and other nations to insure the G5 "Illuminati" countries cannot fulfill their plans of global dominance and genocide.

The occult insiders' plan included the staging of a mass, fake alien invasion, using advanced technology. That is no longer possible.

It's obvious to most open-minded people that UFOs are real. The story behind them is only known to a very privileged few. I have done my very best to put all the pieces together for you.

Apparently this will all be common knowledge -- much sooner than we think.


A STUNNING SETTLEMENT

JL has never met any of the Elders personally. However, he is in contact with someone who lives with them and has been working directly with the Federal Reserve families through the Bank of International Settlements.

The Elders' main contact has been shot at five times in the last year alone. The Elders sued the Federal Reserve families in September 2010 for gold contracts going back hundreds of years, in a secret world court within the BIS -- and the Elders won as of December.

These new figures fit in very nicely with the timing of China's October Surprise, as I had reported it on this website -- though JL had never read any of those articles, nor knew anything about it.

The judgment was for 286 Trillion dollars. The Federal Reserve has been delaying the big payout ever since.

However, JL tells me they have been in intense negotiations on a daily basis since last December, and almost all the details have now been worked out.

We therefore should expect major changes to occur "very, very soon." [Augh... there's the "S word" again!!!]


EVERYONE'S LIFE WILL IMPROVE

Everyone's life on Earth will dramatically improve if what Jade Lion is telling me is true.

This case, and its eventual outcome, is a completely separate issue from the trillion-dollar lawsuit I covered in Part One.

The trillion-dollar lawsuit is perfectly provable and on public record.

The 286-trillion-dollar lawsuit, on the other hand, occurred in secrecy -- and I have no way of proving it is true at this point.

However, other top insiders have since confirmed that this is very real, and it will probably go public by the Spring.

Another insider referred to the time we are about to head into as a "Reset Point" -- and said it has huge significance for life on Earth.


KEEP IT HIDDEN

The Elders obviously felt it was vital to China's national security that they not reveal where this vast supply of gold was... or how much of it they really had.

According to JL, China still has vastly more gold reserves than they have been able to mine in the last few thousand years.

Had the Elders revealed this secret, they may not have been able to maintain the illusion that gold was a highly valuable, highly rare commodity.

The Elders had a key strategic advantage by having a nearly limitless supply of the one thing everyone in the world could agree was "real money".

It is also possible that the Elders brought a gold-synthesizing technology with them, and still use it to this day.

This could explain why other insiders have scratched their heads and said if such secret mines really did exist, they surely should have known about them.


THE UNITED STATES: THE GREATEST ASIAN INVESTMENT IN EARTH'S HISTORY

How did the United States go from being just a few ragtag colonies, with people desperately trying to eke out a living, to becoming the world's pre-eminent superpower?


Is it really as simple as the idea that they had a lot of land to convert into natural resources -- and hence economic power?

Apparently not. Without gold to secretly back up the issuance of American currency, they never would have been able to afford to grow so fast. It would have been a massive bubble that would be constantly threatened with destruction.

According to JL, the biggest secret of the United States is that it was all built up with Asian money -- directly from the Elders.

America was a rebellion against colonial, imperial, monarchic rule in Europe -- and the Asians saw this as a very necessary investment for their own security.


WHY BUILD UP THE UNITED STATES?

The Dutch, Portugese and British were duking it out for supremacy over the hugely profitable Asian spice trade by the late 1500s. Things started to get serious by 1600, with the formation of the English East India Company.

The Dutch formed the Dutch East India Company in 1602 as a defensive counter-move against this massive power-play.

Things quickly got bloody and nasty. The English scored a decisive military victory against the Portugese in the Battle of Swally in 1612, and their power grew much faster after that. As it says in Wikipedia,

By a series of five acts around 1670, King Charles II provisioned [the East India Company] with the rights to autonomous territorial acquisitions, to mint money, to command fortresses and troops and form alliances, to make war and peace, and to exercise both civil and criminal jurisdiction over the acquired areas.[14]

Essentially, the English were invading Asia, bit by bit -- since that's where all the money was.

They created a corporation that had become a complete nation into itself -- an early foreshadowing of the world we live in today. The East India Company could print its own money, declare war, take over any land it wanted to, and make all the rules -- with no oversight.

This was all happening right in China's backyard -- and it was all "legal" by 1670. The Elders were obviously very concerned about this -- and needed to do something to create an effective resistance against this encroaching menace.


INVESTING IN THE "NEW WORLD" TO BALANCE THE POWER EQUATION

JL told me that the Asians were secretly financing the buildup and development of the United States -- well before the American Revolution of 1776.

The people behind the American Revolution obviously had their own agenda, as we now know -- but in order to create a massive development project on such a vast scale, they needed an investor... with deep pockets.

The Founding Fathers signed separate, secret contracts for each shipment of gold they received. The Elders fully expected to be paid back for the gold they were shipping out... in time.

They knew it would take many years to build the United States up to the point where it would be fully self-sustaining and profitable on its own -- but it was necessary to balance the power equation in the world.

Shiploads of gold, averaging 2000 metric tons per trip, were routinely being sent to the United States. This gold was secretly used as collateral by the United States Treasury to issue currency -- financing an unprecedented industrial expansion.

The United States made sure not to give away any of the gold. It was secretly stashed in Mexico and elsewhere as time went on -- including places in Asia that were mutually agreed upon for safe keeping.

This secret buildup reached its peak in the 1800s. For almost an entire century, I was told that the United States received as much as two thousand metric tons of gold per month. Every shipload generated a completely separate contract and debt to be repaid.


THE TRANSCONTINENTAL RAILROAD -- A KEY ASIAN INVESTMENT

If you're not paying attention in American history class, you could easily miss that one day where your teacher talks about how Chinese "slaves" were largely responsible for building the first transcontinental railroad between 1863 and 1869.

The slang name for these laborers was the "Coolies". Apparently they were the best at shimmying down ropes, planting dynamite in holes cut in the rock, lighting the dynamite and climbing back up the ropes fast enough to avoid getting blown up.

The reality is very different. The "Coolies" were not slaves at all. They were highly-skilled professional builders sent over from Asia. The Chinese didn't trust Americans to do the job. They sent over their own people to make sure everything went smoothly.

(*snip*)

http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1022-lawsuit-end-tyranny-ii

[gripreaper]

Oh my, this raises more questions than it answers. Apparently the North American Continent and the industrial expansion and infrastructure (railroads)was financed by Asian gold, and not the European dynasties as we were led to believe? And the fiat system is all smoke and mirrors while the true debt is owed to the Asians and was only hijacked by the European dynasties who created the fiat system?

And this is all coming to a head and available now in the public domain? You thought this thread was long and tedious before, oh my...

[New Dawn]

Good to see Bill and Kerry getting on like a house on fire....

[Bollinger]

Just stepping back and looking at the main facts (events) without the fog and haze that inevitably envelopes everything when you get a thread growing to this size.

1. There is a lawsuit (seems real enough) purporting to bring down the controllers.

2. David Wilcock is interviewed by Kerry and breaks down, sobbing uncontrollably, claiming to have been threatened by powerful people in light of the information he has or is about to make public. I have to admit it was a bit of an anticlimax when he revealed what the big secret was. That gold, to the tune of one thousand trillion dollars, was being hoarded in hidden vaults, over a long period of time under the pretext of helping humanity as a whole by ensuring each nation’s wealth is in proportion to what its population can produce as opposed to the quantity of gold they hold.

3. Someone with an Irish accent (Anonymous), whose name cannot be revealed, known to everyone except the audience, appears on the same interview and claims to wield powers beyond our comprehension and proceeds to extend protection to David and encourages him put out whatever information he has without let or hindrance. David’s fears appear to be somewhat allayed. For some strange reason, without being asked, the anonymous caller volunteers information about his whereabouts by saying he is unimaginably far away. What exactly is meant by that is of course open to interpretation.

4. To add to it, a guest astrologer also wades in to “predict” that David’s immediate future looks OK.

5. Finally, there appears a fifth protagonist on this forum, banging a very large drum saying: don’t believe him, believe me. Who are the five? They are, Kerry, David, Anonymous, Bill and now Duncan with the latter two on one side and the first three on the other.

6. We now have tumultuous talking heads, not only on this forum, but scattered around the internet on other alternative websites, exchanging sharply contrasting opinions and debating furiously every aspect of this interview and ramifications therein.

In the final analysis, there is really only one question that the jury must consider. Does this or any part of it look like the salvation humanity has been waiting for? And to that, the answer is a very disappointing “not guilty”.

[Calz]

Time will tell how this all plays out but I was rather surprised that part 2, rather than providing more documentation to solidify the material brought out in part 1, actually branches off into new material (from a new source) completely seperate from Fulford and the people bringing the lawsuit we know has been filed.

The story told makes some sense but as mentioned, raises more questions than answers. Secret settlement against the Federal Reserve a done deal and simply working out the details?

Perhaps this is the story that needs to be told (part 3 to follow) but hopefully (for David's sake) there will be some supplemental proof coming soon???



The judgment was for 286 Trillion dollars. The Federal Reserve has been delaying the big payout ever since.

However, JL tells me they have been in intense negotiations on a daily basis since last December, and almost all the details have now been worked out.

We therefore should expect major changes to occur "very, very soon." [Augh... there's the "S word" again!!!]

[Rantaak]

note my comment on that drone, earlier, about them dumping the most advanced tech in the world... into the hands of others. "Gee, how did that happen", I said....

I would like to share that last night, we got out the Ouija board and the candles and I performed a summoning (rather satirically) of Agilma, the storm entity from The Book of Fifty Names, since the board had suggested that we contact an entity known by some as, "RainMan34". Upon releasing the sigil I had created through a sudden blast of flame, I noticed that my attention went immediately to what I can only describe as a very intense alpha state. I realized that I had allowed the being to operate my body, though I had not relinquished control of myself. After one of my muses asked how soon it would rain again, we noticed that the responses had become much more deliberate and articulate than they had been prior to the summoning.

I decided to ask it who was responsible for the drone. It very dramatically spelled out, "ORION." As I observed this, chills went down my spine and I found myself confounded by nervous maniacal laughter. Afterwards, my other muse decided to ask it a question regarding personal guidance and the spirit responded with a very clever joke which she lacked the capacity to understand, to which she asked for further clarification of "What is a jar of cringa?" (to which the spirit had previously supplied in response to the question regarding what this troubled muse of mine needed to draw her attention to if she wanted her life to get "sorted out" again) which was met by the spirit as a never-ending rhythm of, "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA," so we lost faith and the spirit subsequently absconded.

I become wary whenever the stench of Orion comes up, especially in situations like these... Gives me the heebie jeebies. If they've got their scaly noses in this, this could only mean that the capture of the drone ship was just part of the cosmic script of the earth game. Chess pieces and the like.

[araucaria]

Time will tell how this all plays out but I was rather surprised that part 2, rather than providing more documentation to solidify the material brought out in part 1, actually branches off into new material (from a new source) completely seperate from Fulford and the people bringing the lawsuit we know has been filed.

The story told makes some sense but as mentioned, raises more questions than answers. Secret settlement against the Federal Reserve a done deal and simply working out the details?

Perhaps this is the story that needs to be told (part 3 to follow) but hopefully (for David's sake) there will be some supplemental proof coming soon???



The judgment was for 286 Trillion dollars. The Federal Reserve has been delaying the big payout ever since.

However, JL tells me they have been in intense negotiations on a daily basis since last December, and almost all the details have now been worked out.

We therefore should expect major changes to occur "very, very soon." [Augh... there's the "S word" again!!!]

Thanks Calz, my friend. David says this is an earth-bound story, but he keeps bringing in ET material anyway, which is not helpful in my opinion.

The one big question for me in this tale is why such a highly evolved Chinese society would get so involved in the money game to begin with. It had all this gold and was probably manufacturing the stuff, and yet it walks into the scarcity paradigm.

In other words, if building up the US was such a security issue, why invest, I wonder, or even lend for that matter, as opposed to making an endowment? A more enlightened approach would have been to act like a loving parent giving their offspring a good start in life.

This would have instilled loving gratitude in the beneficiary, and the security issue would not be coming to a head like it is now.

I take it the enlightenment has only come about through this process.

[apokalypse]

interesting indeed and it make sense now starting to join the dots!! i'm always wonder what's up with the east when i always hear about western secret society like Illuminati.

[Ishtar]

This is what the editor of Nexus had to say about this on another forum:


This story is based on very old news.

Any decent researcher will remember the work of David Guyatt (www.deepblacklies.co.uk) who put this into the public domain over ten years ago via Nexus Magazine. Guyatt got death threats over it, and I received regular 'demands' for Guyatt's email details for at least eight years afterwards.

Fulford seems to have regurgitated what Guyatt dug up, and Wilcock has added his own spin on it, and is now crying on Project Camelot's latest radio show over a death threat he got. Unbelievable drama queen. Martyrdom Marketing at its best I say.

Fast forward to the June 2009 story about the two Japanese caught at the Swiss-Italian border with US$134.5 BILLION in US bonds. The story disappeared after a while because nobody would 'talk'.

Meanwhile this guy Neil Keenan comes out of nowhere and claims the above bonds were entrusted to him. Maybe he is for real, maybe he is bull****ting. Time will tell. He would certainly not be the first person trying to cash in on fake bonds - and the story is surely an embarrassment to TPTB. Maybe Keenan is gambling they will just give him money to shut up and go away, while the sheeple move onto the next 'shiney' thing - ie Xmas or the NFL.

Either way, they are all regurgitating old news about the history of gold standards vs fiat monetary systems, and the deals between the east and western powers going back a century or two, and then tying it into the $134.5 BILLION bond story.It's GLP and I will post the link if it won't cause me to get insta-banned.

The Editor of Nexus sounds a bit jealous that a story which has been known about for ages is being run with by other people now ... aka Ben and David ... and that Ben and David are getting better results publicity-wise. I'm not criticising him/her...it's a natural human reaction and I've experienced it myself when something I've been banging on about for years suddenly hits the zeitgiest through the efforts of someone else, and they get all the credit for it.

However, I think his jealousy is clouding his judgement because he's missing the point.. and that is, the reason more people are interested now (and not so much then) is because of changed circumstances. All the money in the world appears to have run out, the banks are broke, the IMF is going round the world with a begging bowl, and so we're all suddenly questioning things we took for granted before and asking questions like

What is money?
What is its value based on?
Where has all the money gone?
And how do we get it back?

I posted that on GLP in response to a bunch of other posted questions and emails I got asking for my opinion. How easy to accuse me of 'jealousy' and 'missing the point' when you knowingly quote me out of context on another forum. I guess you just want to look good in the eyes of this forum by putting me down?

What I said stands. David Guyatt deserves the attention and accolades for the bulk of what is in Wilcock's article, and I acknowledge that Wilcock notes this himself. I think David has done a good job outlining the history of the gold standard vs fiat currency battles - it is a pity more people don't realise that it was this aspect of the article that attracted the unwanted attention of the low-level intel agencies. After all, some of the players are still alive.

Hello, I don't know who you are but I've not quoted you on another forum or anywhere that I'm aware of. I am only on this forum. I'm sorry if I've upset you with my opinion .... I think quite possibly you're confusing me with someone else. Anyway, I hope we can clear this up.

[onawah]

I would still very much like to hear what evidence DW has that DUMBs around the world have been disabled.
This other story and all the questions it has raised is going to take a lot of time to research and prove or disprove.
The ramifications will be vast, if it is true.
But that is still on the relatively distant horizon.
If the story about the DUMBs being disabled is true and DW can prove it, the ramifications will also be vast, but much more immediate, and may be a "done deal" besides.
And it's especially significant if it can be proven that ETs have taken a hand in it.
The implications of that, if true, would be incredibly far reaching.

Whether an Illuminati faction destroyed their own DUMBs in order to prevent them from falling into ET and Ground Crew hands is another important question which I hope DW can answer.
It might explain the mystery about why some of the DUMBs appear to have been blown up (according to the reports about what seemed to have been earthquakes) , while others have reportedly been simply emptied and sealed off.
The Illuminati would have no qualms about using nukes, though I would have thought the ETs would have been able to prevent that from happening.
They would not resort to such tactics themselves, given the lengths they have gone to to demonstrate that using nukes is unacceptable.
Perhaps they were just not alerted in enough time to prevent the nukes from being used.

This may be the subject for another thread, but inasmuch as DW committed to posting the third part of the article on the DUMBs story before the other story broke, they are definitely related in one sense, at least.
In any case, much gratitude is due to DW for bringing ALL this news to light, and I expect he will be hard at work amassing whatever proof he can offer to us.
Whatever his detractors may come up with to criticize him, they can't say he isn't hard working and dedicated, whatever the cost may be to himself.
He could have been resting on his laurels with his book being on the best seller list, and plenty of offers for bookings around the world, but he continues to put himself on the line to bring our the most important news he can get his hands on, and I, for one, am very grateful.
It takes courage to even think about the kind of torture and emotional manipulation he has been writing about, much less thinking and writing about it to the extent that he has.
It's something most of us don't even want to contemplate.
And to work towards understanding and forgiving those who would harm him also takes a kind of courage that the wisest of our spiritual leaders over the ages have demonstrated and advocated above all else.
Thanks again to DW.
He is just a human being with as many faults as any of us, but he is doing his best to face them and deal with them.
That's the best that any of us can do.

[scotusa]

Good to see Bill and Kerry getting on like a house on fire....

Don't forget our enfant terrible Prince (Machiavelli), divide and conquer. Seems to be working.
Lets see 33 families divided by 5 gives...hey, someone has the casting vote (assuming Democracy is their working system)!

[Sidney]

I have a suggestion. (I would do it myself but I don't have the time right now). But I think it may be important for some talented researchers to poke around and find out what issues are currently in play in the world. When un-lawful bills are passed, they come up with clever things to distract us with, while they slip things by behind closed doors. I think we should be looking over our shoulders for the reasons for this huge distraction.I am not saying that DW is involved in some sort of falsity. This whole thing could easily be orchestrated via mind control over every one of the involved people. David, Kerry, Coast to Coast. SOMETHING is going on, that we are not seeing. Whats congress doing? What important things are going on politically right now? All we are seeing right now is David and the death threat over some gold. Lets dig deep and see what we can find!!! Anybody up for the challenge??

[Ishtar]

Well, here's one suggestion, Starchild. I heard yesterday that while Obama distracts a few soldiers with his big Welcome Home routine, tens of thosuands of them aren't coming home at all, but are on the way to Kuwait, probably to get ready for when Iran/Israel World War III kicks off. I got this from the sister-in-law of one of the soldiers on his way to Kuwait.

[13th Warrior]

KERRY'S BLOG
December 18, 2011

Too Tough to Cry my reply to Duncan's attack

click here for the Camelot Forum post

Yes, I am giving this added coverage. Not because Duncan is right but because many people who are out here on the firing lines with us including Duncan are feeling that somehow David got singled out because his reaction to a death threat became so public. Sorry guys. That includes me. I am out there every day. And we went public in this case because that is the Camelot motto and for good reason. It works. 'The best place to hide is out in the open'.

I was notified of the threats 25 minutes before my Wednesday night show. This is LIVE radio. Deal with it. No canned dramas, no rehearsals. Just the real thing.

And yes, he cried and showed fear. It wasn't an act. He's not a supersoldier and he doesn't wear a mask. He has that wonderful gift of a rich emotional life close to the surface. Sure he could have stood it like a man, stoic in the face of the threats. I caught him unguarded and totally accessible. So sue me. This is what we do. We put the truth out there. Raw and uncensored.

A Note on Anonymous

For the record, as I have stated on Avalon Forum... I do know Anonymous.. I invited him to come on the show. We did this in order to get a message out there to protect David. That mission was accomplished. At great personal risk Anonymous came forward. He is not from 'off world' as some surmised. He is very much one of us. By that I mean, he is a highly gifted human with ET roots as we all are.

Another clarification

The risk to David has to do with having copies of or seen copies of the Book of Maklumat and possiblity that he may have seen the Book of Codes. The people David is dealing with have seen them (as least this is what they claim). According to one of my sources who has seen the Book of Codes, this is supposedly enough to get you killed. Several others he was with were killed.

Nothing in this story is new. All of it is out there a multitude of places. The drama focuses for the most part on the gold in the Phillippines. The word we have is that it has since been taken many places including off world. There may be some remaining gold which is under guard and also surrounded by what one might call a force field likely erected by an off-world race, possibly the Anunnaki.

see my blog for updates...

Kerry

Hello Kerry,

Thanks for putting yourself out there, for continuing to push forward and not just sitting on your hat!

[Calz]

Well, here's one suggestion, Starchild. I heard yesterday that while Obama distracts a few soldiers with his big Welcome Home routine, tens of thosuands of them aren't coming home at all, but are on the way to Kuwait, probably to get ready for when Iran/Israel World War III kicks off. I got this from the sister-in-law of one of the soldiers on his way to Kuwait.

Already spotted lining the borders of Syria:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?35388-U.S.-Tells-Citizens-to-Leave-Syria---Immediately--&highlight=syria

Iran makes less sense in that if it is true (big if) troops have really all left Iraq then they lost a big portion of the shared Iranian border.

Regardless ... not looking good for the short term ... don't give up hope for the longer term.

[gripreaper]

Kim Jong 11 murdered Saturday. Rothschild bankster cabal still going after the last three holdouts who are still free from this cabal. Finished off Gaddafi and Libya, and now North Korea?

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2011/12/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20111219-kim-jong-il-murdered-as-part-of-major-asian-power-battle.html

Oh boy, things are heating up, thats for sure.

[Ishtar]

Thanks, Calz. I was wondering whether Kuwait is just somewhere to hold them in reserve while they get Israel to attack Iran first, or even do a false flag on Israel and say it was Iran that started it. (I don't want to give them any ideas, but Christmas Day and Bethlehem would ratchet up the collective consensual hysteria quite effectively.)

[Calz]

Kim Jong 11 murdered Saturday. Rothschild bankster cabal still going after the last three holdouts who are still free from this cabal. Finished off Gaddafi and Libya, and now North Korea?

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2011/12/weekly-geopolitical-news-and-analysis20111219-kim-jong-il-murdered-as-part-of-major-asian-power-battle.html

Oh boy, things are heating up, thats for sure.


Wow ... never a dull moment ... who knows??? :noidea:


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[Whiskey_Mystic]

We can build each other up
Or we can tear each other down.
You'd think that was an easy choice.

[ThePythonicCow]

We can build each other up
Or we can tear each other down.
You'd think that was an easy choice.

I prefer not to choose based on whether I'm building up or tearing down ... that sounds to me like a distracting dichotomy that presumes that criticism of someone's words or deeds is criticism of their self (a common confusion of an overly reactive ego perhaps?).

I seek to understand, which includes working with others doing the same, and sharing our perceptions of the words and deeds of yet others. Suggesting that we should only speak well of others words and deeds sounds to me like something akin to Political Correctness, and like that, an impediment to understanding.

[nearing]

The risk to David has to do with having copies of or seen copies of the Book of Maklumat and possiblity that he may have seen the Book of Codes. The people David is dealing with have seen them (as least this is what they claim). According to one of my sources who has seen the Book of Codes, this is supposedly enough to get you killed. Several others he was with were killed.




Kerry, if this is the case then I cannot understand why these books have not been open to the public by now! Wouldn't bringing them to light (as is the underlying mission of PC & PA) be just the ticket to bring down the Cabal? Doesn't keeping them hidden not only put those who do see them in danger but keep those who should be in jail out of jail?

If David (or you or whoever has access to these books) CAN expose them, I say, do it and do it immediately so the world can get on with the business of building a post-Illuminati run world!!!

Please clarify why this hasn't been done.

[Mark]

Very interesting part II. Even more sacred chaos are upset. This information will immediately be unpalatable to many. David used the word "soon" with both quotes and parentheses as he was obviously and for good reason reluctant to place this information in a timeline. He said it should be "common knowledge by the Spring". He's been warned to "tell the truth and nothing but the truth" by his Insiders. He took his time coming out with this information and has also taken the time to break it down in excruciating - albeit quite colorful and visual - detail so that anybody could understand the base motivations of the PTW.

I look forward to the scramble of contradictions and conflicts this information is sure to bring about not only here but everywhere thinking people gather to discuss world issues. It's going to be an emotional one, as many people's sense of inherent cultural superiority is going to be threatened by the existence of an Asian power elite of apparently benevolent disposition.

[Whiskey_Mystic]

Suggesting that we should only speak well of others words and deeds sounds to me like something akin to Political Correctness, and like that, an impediment to understanding.

I did not suggest that and I do agree with what your post says. The rest of this post is not directed at you.

Would you agree that we can disagree with someone's point of view or actions and still support them on their soul journey? Can we stand for what we believe without invalidating the value of another? Can we support another in their process of experiencing and learning even when we disagree with their choices?

This is what I am talking about. I think we can show respect for the divine soul in each person without coddling them and without consenting to choices that we do not agree with. There is a difference between judging actions and judging people.

I posted what I posted because I am seeing a lack of respect between people in places where I least expected it. I invite each person to remember who you are and what you represent.

ModCow, maybe this sub-thread should be moved to a new thread. Your call. I'd kind of like people in this thread to see it, though.

[ThePythonicCow]

ModCow, maybe this sub-thread should be moved to a new thread.
Keeping threads "on topic" happens to be one of those things I don't worry about as much as some do.

Your reply is well stated, and can jolly well stay right here, so far as I'm concerned.

:) :cow: :)

[DreamsInDigital]

I just finished reading part 2 a moment ago, and would really like to read part 1 again. Anyone with the link to a Mirror Site, could you please PM it to me? I haven't been able to access Part 1 on DW's site for about 3 days now. Nor have I had any luck in reaching the Webmaster either. I have Google Chrome, so who knows what the problem is. It's suppose to be a compatible browser with that site. I can't use Firefox, my computer just doesn't get along with that program. And, I wont use IE. It worked absolutely fine up until 3 days ago.

[Tommy]

I just finished reading part 2 a moment ago, and would really like to read part 1 again. Anyone with the link to a Mirror Site, could you please PM it to me? I haven't been able to access Part 1 on DW's site for about 3 days now. Nor have I had any luck in reaching the Webmaster either. I have Google Chrome, so who knows what the problem is. It's suppose to be a compatible browser with that site. I can't use Firefox, my computer just doesn't get along with that program. And, I wont use IE. It worked absolutely fine up until 3 days ago.

Here is one of our mirrors of the file:
http://46.183.168.57/camelot/The-Trillion-Dollar-Lawsuit-That-Could-End-Financial-Tyranny.pdf

Part Two PDF:
http://46.183.168.57/camelot/The-Trillion-Dollar-Lawsuit-That-Could-End-Financial-Tyranny-Part-II.pdf


The server might be a bit loaded, but you should at least be able to get it :)

[DreamsInDigital]

Thank you! It is greatly appreciated.

[shamanseeker]

The risk to David has to do with having copies of or seen copies of the Book of Maklumat and possiblity that he may have seen the Book of Codes. The people David is dealing with have seen them (as least this is what they claim). According to one of my sources who has seen the Book of Codes, this is supposedly enough to get you killed. Several others he was with were killed.



Kerry, if this is the case then I cannot understand why these books have not been open to the public by now! Wouldn't bringing them to light (as is the underlying mission of PC & PA) be just the ticket to bring down the Cabal? Doesn't keeping them hidden not only put those who do see them in danger but keep those who should be in jail out of jail?

If David (or you or whoever has access to these books) CAN expose them, I say, do it and do it immediately so the world can get on with the business of building a post-Illuminati run world!!!

Please clarify why this hasn't been done.



Yes, I agree! That's what 'anonymous' said, too. He told him not to worry and to 'Get it out, get it all out Laddie' or something like that!

[Jeffrey]

After reading through David's latest blog post (Part II), I am drawing some parallels here with another source of information. Insiders don't seem to be aware of other insiders information. Sure, somebody just could be misinformed, it could be bogus, or it could be a sign that there are indeed competing factions. I don't know if you all are aware of the "Allies of Humanity" material, but it's message is worth heeding (in my opinion). It's "extraterrestrial" plot may be hard to swallow for the mainstream (maybe not here though), but it's theme is nonetheless logical. Here are some snippets.


The forces and groups who are here today represent several different alliances. These different alliances are not united with each other in their efforts. Each alliance represents several different racial groups who are collaborating for the purpose of gaining access to your world’s resources and maintaining this access. These different alliances are, in essence, competing with each other though they are not at war with one another. They see your world as a great prize, something they want to have for themselves.

Illuminati, Masons, Dragon Family anyone?


As a result, your visitors do not come armed with great weapons or with armies or with armadas of vessels. They come in relatively small groups, but they possess considerable skill in influencing people. This represents a more sophisticated and mature use of power in the Greater Community. It is this ability that humanity will have to cultivate in the future if it is to contend with other races successfully.


The visitors are engaged in four fundamental activities in order to gain influence within your world. Each of these activities is unique, but they are all coordinated together. They are being carried out because humanity has been studied for a long time. Human thought, human behavior, human physiology and human religion have been studied for some time. These are well understood by your visitors and will be used for their own purposes.

New age hype, GMO's, mainstream media, chemtrails anyone?


The second avenue of activity, which is perhaps the most difficult to consider from your perspective, is the manipulation of religious values and impulses. The visitors understand that humanity’s greatest abilities also represent its greatest vulnerability. People’s longing for individual redemption represents one of the greatest assets the human family has to offer, even to the Greater Community. But it is also your weakness. And it is these impulses and these values that will be used.


Several groups of the visitors wish to establish themselves as spiritual agents because they know how to speak in the Mental Environment. They can communicate to people directly, and unfortunately, because there are very few people in the world who can discern the difference between a spiritual voice and the visitors’ voice, the situation becomes very difficult.

Again, new age hype, 2012 ascension (ET's save us) anyone?


Let us now mention the third area of activity, which is to establish the visitors’ presence in the world and to have people become used to this presence. They want humanity to become acclimated to this very great change that is occurring in your midst—to have you become acclimated to the visitors’ physical presence and to their effect on your own Mental Environment.


The visitors will try and create the impression that they are “the allies of humanity.” They will say they are here to save humanity from itself, that only they can offer the great hope that humanity cannot provide for itself, that only they can establish true order and harmony in the world. But this order and this harmony will be theirs, not yours. And the freedom that they promise will not be yours to enjoy.

Increased UFO sightings, increased media attention, Ancient Aliens, Hollywood?


In their program, the visitors have studied human physiology and psychology very extensively, and they will take advantage of what people want, particularly those things that people want but have not been able to gain for themselves, such as peace and order, beauty and tranquility. These will be offered and some people will believe. Others will simply be used as is needed.

Ahem, gold? Wealth?


Therefore, there is a great difficulty now in discernment, a great challenge. The challenge is for humanity to understand who its allies really are and to be able to distinguish them from its potential adversaries. There are no neutral parties in this matter. The world is far too valuable, its resources recognized as being unique and of considerable worth. There are no neutral parties who are involved in human affairs. The true nature of the alien Intervention is to exert influence and control and eventually to establish dominion here.

We are not the visitors. We are observers. We claim no rights to your world, and we have no agenda to establish ourselves here. For this reason, our names are hidden, for we do not pursue relations with you beyond our ability to provide our counsel in this way. We cannot control the outcome. We can only advise you as to the choices and decisions that your people must make in light of these greater events.


Every world, if it seeks to establish its own unity, freedom and self-determination in the Greater Community, must establish this freedom and defend it if necessary. Otherwise, domination will certainly occur and will be complete.

Referring back to David's article, the Celestials (if they are indeed extraterrestrial) could just be making a move to gain back the advantage that their competitors are attempting to subvert. They very well could be human and their fight could be for humanity's sake. Discernment is key. That being said I really like the message presented in "The Allies of Humanity" material. I believe it to be sound advice.

One last thing... (emphasis added)


The Intervention is both a misfortune and a vital opportunity. If you are able to respond, if you are able to prepare, if you are able to learn Greater Community Knowledge and Wisdom, then you will be able to offset the forces that are interfering in your world and build the foundation for greater unity amongst your own peoples and tribes. We, of course, encourage this, for this strengthens the bond of Knowledge everywhere.

That is why your future friends are not here. That is why they are not coming to help you. For you would not become strong if they did. You would want to associate with them, you would want to have alliances with them, but you would be so weak that you could not protect yourselves. In essence, you would become part of their culture, which they do not will.

Perhaps many people will not be able to understand what we are saying here, but in time this will make perfect sense to you, and you will see its wisdom and its necessity. At this moment, you are far too frail, too distracted and too conflicted to form strong alliances, even with those who could be your future friends. Humanity cannot yet speak as one voice, and so you are prone to intervention and manipulation from beyond.

Take heart, then. This is a time for courage, not for ambivalence. The gravity of the situation facing you only confirms the importance of your life and your response and the importance of the preparation that is being given in the world today. It is not only for your edification and advancement. It is for your protection and your survival as well.

I've read through most of the first book, it really resonates with me. I'm sure if y'all read it you'd be able to find many parallels with all kinds of "conspiracy theories" out there.

Just something to think about. Here's the link:

http://www.alliesofhumanity.org/book1.php

Book one is free, book two is not. Don't let that detract from the message! We are only human (we just don't realize exactly how much that entails). :)

[161803398]

I thought "Anonymous" might be Julian Assange.

I've decided I like what Ben Fulford is doing. Whether is true or untrue doesn't matter for one reason. I was reading a little psychology about projection and maladaptive thinking in general and how it can lead to a total breakdown of the personality. I think anything that speeds that breakdown along will be helpful because the supposedly sane politicians in their nice suits and ties will show who they really are sooner than later.

The end of result of "maladaptive" thinking is the breakdown of the personality and that needs to happen before they get elected:

http://gizmodo.com/5867205/newt-gingrich-is-bizarrely-terrified-of-electromagnetic-pulses

[Bill Ryan]

This is what the editor of Nexus had to say about this on another forum:


This story is based on very old news.

Any decent researcher will remember the work of David Guyatt (www.deepblacklies.co.uk) who put this into the public domain over ten years ago via Nexus Magazine. Guyatt got death threats over it, and I received regular 'demands' for Guyatt's email details for at least eight years afterwards.

Fulford seems to have regurgitated what Guyatt dug up, and Wilcock has added his own spin on it, and is now crying on Project Camelot's latest radio show over a death threat he got. Unbelievable drama queen. Martyrdom Marketing at its best I say.

Fast forward to the June 2009 story about the two Japanese caught at the Swiss-Italian border with US$134.5 BILLION in US bonds. The story disappeared after a while because nobody would 'talk'.

Meanwhile this guy Neil Keenan comes out of nowhere and claims the above bonds were entrusted to him. Maybe he is for real, maybe he is bull****ting. Time will tell. He would certainly not be the first person trying to cash in on fake bonds - and the story is surely an embarrassment to TPTB. Maybe Keenan is gambling they will just give him money to shut up and go away, while the sheeple move onto the next 'shiney' thing - ie Xmas or the NFL.

Either way, they are all regurgitating old news about the history of gold standards vs fiat monetary systems, and the deals between the east and western powers going back a century or two, and then tying it into the $134.5 BILLION bond story.It's GLP and I will post the link if it won't cause me to get insta-banned.

The Editor of Nexus sounds a bit jealous that a story which has been known about for ages is being run with by other people now ... aka Ben and David ... and that Ben and David are getting better results publicity-wise. I'm not criticising him/her...it's a natural human reaction and I've experienced it myself when something I've been banging on about for years suddenly hits the zeitgiest through the efforts of someone else, and they get all the credit for it.

However, I think his jealousy is clouding his judgement because he's missing the point.. and that is, the reason more people are interested now (and not so much then) is because of changed circumstances. All the money in the world appears to have run out, the banks are broke, the IMF is going round the world with a begging bowl, and so we're all suddenly questioning things we took for granted before and asking questions like

What is money?
What is its value based on?
Where has all the money gone?
And how do we get it back?

I posted that on GLP in response to a bunch of other posted questions and emails I got asking for my opinion. How easy to accuse me of 'jealousy' and 'missing the point' when you knowingly quote me out of context on another forum. I guess you just want to look good in the eyes of this forum by putting me down?
What I said stands. David Guyatt deserves the attention and accolades for the bulk of what is in Wilcock's article, and I acknowledge that Wilcock notes this himself. I think David has done a good job outlining the history of the gold standard vs fiat currency battles - it is a pity more people don't realise that it was this aspect of the article that attracted the unwanted attention of the low-level intel agencies. After all, some of the players are still alive.

Guys, this is Duncan Roads, editor of Nexus Magazine (http://www.nexusmagazine.com/). He's just joined the Avalon Forum.

Duncan, welcome: it's very good to see you here.

I agree with your viewpoints, as best I know them, on this entire messy business. I and many others would like to hear more of your point of view.

[Unified Serenity]

I am sure that Kerry gets a lot of personal emails and pm's and sent this to her yesterday. I am hoping she will see this, and thus I post it on the thread she chose to post on regarding DW. I hope she reads it not as an attack, but in the spirit in which it was sent. I have also noticed that my suppositions regarding the boost in DW's traffic is a direct correlation to this incident. I posted the statistics on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257

Hello Kerry,

Welcome to the forum, I don't see you post very often, and I can only surmise that you are feeling attacked for the interview you did on the radio to protect DW. You are not under attack by those of us who have sincere questions and observations about DW.

I don't know if you have read all 48 pages of the DW is under attack thread, but if you have not then you are missing some information. For my part, I stated that I did not care how DW processed his emotions as we each do it in our own way when we are scared. I did state that he did appear to be peeing in his pants, but so what, he was upset. My issue was his displaying a near paralyzing fear over the information he held and was going to publish in part II. That he basically read a lot of it on air and was told to remove names and that he would post it very quickly as per anon. advice. And yet, DW did not do that. Instead he then went onto Coast to Coast. So far he now has come up with a new explanation that he is doing vast research and it's fascinating what he is learning. So, it makes those of us wonder how real was that fear? You're a smart and analytical woman Kerry. Try to step back and see it from a distance as we do observing the situation. YOU were not under attack in this. Yes, the whole is anon from an off world and then that other woman raylynn or whomever stated he is as star ship captain. It makes things look like a joke! No matter how many times Bill or anyone else tried to reel people off the woo woo fence, they just had to believe we were all hearing from some great alien who is looking out for us.

DW was the focus. His actions felt like manipulation to some of us when we looked at everything in total. If I may, imagine that I've just gotten terrible news that sets me off in a panic and I am in a state and need protection. You graciously provide me with that by letting me go public. In the middle of my gut wrenching palpable fear and display of emotion I throw out there to check out my new book..... then go back to crying and shaking in my shoes only to be told by a really powerful adviser to get this all out in the open and protect myself that way and to tell the truth, nothing but the truth NOW and I display that I have it ready and just need it proof read and checked, then despite my palpable fear, I do not do that, but instead go on more public speaking stuff and again get wonderful publicity for my website and book. It looks like priceless gorilla marketing, something I am quite knowledgable in.

I do not doubt your genuine concern Kerry. I seriously doubt DW's true fear vs never letting a good crisis go to waste mentality. It's DW's actions that is causing you to look like you have some culpability, and I was ripped to shreds for 5 plus pages for trying to give voice to those concerns not only shared by me, but by quite a few. I left the thread because the energy was so bad people wanted me dead, just ask Dawn the moderator what happened to me if you doubt what I am saying. Now, you have come on the thread and emboldened these same DW mafia members who are doing it again. I stood back and did not attack them energetically, but I am already under attack again. This is no game. The energy is real, and I won't be sitting back much longer. This needs to simmer down, and people need to stop transposing their own fears and triggers onto what happened to DW.

I don't think you meant ill, but for me as an outsider it is just part of the drama and further inciting negative energy. I say this with all due respect to you. This needs to stop for the members sake, and the community as a whole.

With much love,

[shamanseeker]

Excuse me, US but I think you need to simmer down. 'I was ripped to shreds'!!! '...the energy was so bad people wanted me dead'!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you think you're being the dramatic one here? I'm feeling negative energy from your post, yes!

[ThePythonicCow]

Excuse me, US but I think you need to simmer down. 'I was ripped to shreds'!!! '...the energy was so bad people wanted me dead'!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you think you're being the dramatic one here? I'm feeling negative energy from your post, yes!

I count more exclamation points in your post than in Unified Serenity's :P.

Let's not get in a dramatic energy draining feud over who's got the most dramatic negative energy.

:) :cow: :)

[Unified Serenity]

Excuse me, US but I think you need to simmer down. 'I was ripped to shreds'!!! '...the energy was so bad people wanted me dead'!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't you think you're being the dramatic one here? I'm feeling negative energy from your post, yes!

If you could not feel the hatred sent in responses to my posts, then you were not reading the same threads I was reading. Energy is very real. As above so below. Nothing is manifested here until it is first created in astral. Yes, there were most definitely some on here who wanted me dead, gone, and to never say another word about DW. I stand by what I wrote to Kerry and hope she will respond, but if she does not, my words I think give a slightly different perspective. I did not post my letter to Kerry to start another war. I have my views about DW and this thread and you have your views. Let us leave it at that.

Serenity

[Billy]

A vivid imagination can run away with you, Some allow themselves to be so emotionally attached to others issues or comments on a forum. This is a choice.

Please everyone remember life is a game. Do not take things so seriously, Be playfull and enjoy.

Peace

[Robstar]

Wow! The drama queens are out in full force on this thread and on this forum.
:crazy:
Very little even remotely constructive.

Goodby Dramafest!:drama:

[Unified Serenity]

Wow! The drama queens are out in full force on this thread and on this forum.
:crazy:
Very little even remotely constructive.

Goodby Dramafest!:drama:

Let's see, you have 97 posts since April 11, 2010, and this is your great contribution to the website? Have you even read all the posts on this thread? If so, what I wrote to Kerry was very reasoned and not full of drama. She chose to come here and post her views and basically in my view attack some of us though directed at Bill for things that to me did not display she had a clear grasp of what was happening on this thread.

It would be really nice if you actually said something of value rather than trash a post you don't like with false accusations.

[Kerry Cassidy]

I am sure that Kerry gets a lot of personal emails and pm's and sent this to her yesterday. I am hoping she will see this, and thus I post it on the thread she chose to post on regarding DW. I hope she reads it not as an attack, but in the spirit in which it was sent. I have also noticed that my suppositions regarding the boost in DW's traffic is a direct correlation to this incident. I posted the statistics on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257

Hello Kerry,

Welcome to the forum, I don't see you post very often, and I can only surmise that you are feeling attacked for the interview you did on the radio to protect DW. You are not under attack by those of us who have sincere questions and observations about DW.

I don't know if you have read all 48 pages of the DW is under attack thread, but if you have not then you are missing some information. For my part, I stated that I did not care how DW processed his emotions as we each do it in our own way when we are scared. I did state that he did appear to be peeing in his pants, but so what, he was upset. My issue was his displaying a near paralyzing fear over the information he held and was going to publish in part II. That he basically read a lot of it on air and was told to remove names and that he would post it very quickly as per anon. advice. And yet, DW did not do that. Instead he then went onto Coast to Coast. So far he now has come up with a new explanation that he is doing vast research and it's fascinating what he is learning. So, it makes those of us wonder how real was that fear? You're a smart and analytical woman Kerry. Try to step back and see it from a distance as we do observing the situation. YOU were not under attack in this. Yes, the whole is anon from an off world and then that other woman raylynn or whomever stated he is as star ship captain. It makes things look like a joke! No matter how many times Bill or anyone else tried to reel people off the woo woo fence, they just had to believe we were all hearing from some great alien who is looking out for us.

DW was the focus. His actions felt like manipulation to some of us when we looked at everything in total. If I may, imagine that I've just gotten terrible news that sets me off in a panic and I am in a state and need protection. You graciously provide me with that by letting me go public. In the middle of my gut wrenching palpable fear and display of emotion I throw out there to check out my new book..... then go back to crying and shaking in my shoes only to be told by a really powerful adviser to get this all out in the open and protect myself that way and to tell the truth, nothing but the truth NOW and I display that I have it ready and just need it proof read and checked, then despite my palpable fear, I do not do that, but instead go on more public speaking stuff and again get wonderful publicity for my website and book. It looks like priceless gorilla marketing, something I am quite knowledgable in.

I do not doubt your genuine concern Kerry. I seriously doubt DW's true fear vs never letting a good crisis go to waste mentality. It's DW's actions that is causing you to look like you have some culpability, and I was ripped to shreds for 5 plus pages for trying to give voice to those concerns not only shared by me, but by quite a few. I left the thread because the energy was so bad people wanted me dead, just ask Dawn the moderator what happened to me if you doubt what I am saying. Now, you have come on the thread and emboldened these same DW mafia members who are doing it again. I stood back and did not attack them energetically, but I am already under attack again. This is no game. The energy is real, and I won't be sitting back much longer. This needs to simmer down, and people need to stop transposing their own fears and triggers onto what happened to DW.

I don't think you meant ill, but for me as an outsider it is just part of the drama and further inciting negative energy. I say this with all due respect to you. This needs to stop for the members sake, and the community as a whole.

With much love,

Hi Christina,

Actually 90% of the feedback I am getting is overwhelmingly positive for the radio show, David and Anonymous.

I guess many people don't understand the sequence of events that at least I was party to... which is simply that 25 mins approx before show time someone forwarded the quoted text from David's Wilcock warning people that he had received a death threat and might not make it to morning... He's a good friend, and naturally I was concerned. So I called him to see if this was bogus (someone hacking his site etc). I could tell instantly he was scared and it was true so I said in true Camelot style... hey let's get you on the air and make this so well known they don't dare hit you. So we did.

It was my idea to bring on Anonymous (actually I called him immediately after I hung up with David and although I can't remember if I asked I remember he volunteered to come on the air and make sure the low level guys got the message). I was surprised he would risk everything to do this on the one hand but knowing how loyal and caring he was and how he could protect David (that is, contact those who could) I agreed. He then asked permission and sorted out a quick cover story.. and we arranged to have him call in on a special phone.

This all ended up happening partly during when I was on air in the beginning with David.. since things took some time to get to happen... the phone hook up etc. I had no idea how David would react.. and no idea he would break down. But then, Bob Dean broke down when he talked to me about his off-world encounters on camera and so I was no stranger to emotional displays... This was not scripted and it was real. David barely had time to think about anything before he came on the air.... what happened was LIVE and raw. If you wish it were otherwise might I suggest CNN...?

At any rate he broke down because in many ways he is not a hardened type and facing the real thing (in the form of the threats) and because the source (person who contacted him relaying the threats was a trusted friend) he totally believed them. I have said on my blog at that point the fact that they didn't just kill him but instead threatened to do so indicated it was a psyop... and I said as much on the air.. in the form of a question to Anonymous. Listen back and you will hear it. Having had a similar threat myself a year ago I was familiar with the approach...

Why they targeted him is still a mystery. In fact it may be they wanted to create just such an effect... stirring the waters to see how this sector reacted and whether they could manipulate his behavior... Generate enough fear to where he would drop it or release it sooner.. that's a weird twist. They threatened him if he didn't release it within such and such amount of time, and unless he got such and such amount of viewers.. only then would he survive beyond 3 days... What is that about? Two possibilities come to mind, either they wanted the info out there or they wanted to see if he had anything worth killing him or anyone else over (ie. such as naming names). As it happens, so far it seems the answer is no he doesn't really have anything new...

The only things that a source told me he would be killed over is having copies of or the original, Book of Codes and Maklumat. And the chances of him having copies of both are astronomical I am told. Unfortunately if you listen closely to the beginning of the show he says he has them. Later he denies it. Later he had to have been warned... to say he didn't have them. On air, before he had time to think, when he was crying and stating what was going on presumably he spoke the truth.

You are wondering why he made sure to put out in separate locations copies of crucial info he has but presumably has not yet released?? Well that is simply what we are all told to do. Some of us are organized enough (in our saner hours) to do so and others may be more ... uh, serendipitious.

It's not about deception. David may have an audience, so do we, but truth is our drug of choice and we don't lay down for anything less to put it crudely. Service to others. Get it? You can still have a big ego, and intellect and still react emotionally to things that trigger you. In David's case this was it. That doesn't mean he isn't a seasoned performer (speaker to large groups with years of experience mastering the emotions using the intellect and trouble shooting social situations on the fly) this is the identical type of recovery a trained actor has... I know because I studied acting with the best. And this doesn't mean he didn't honesty feel great fear and honestly cry as a result of the pressure... it was real.

I do understand, it's an old story... yes it is. But David is a journalist and a researcher and his contacts Keenan et al are coming to him with a personal angle on an old story of danger and intrigue to do with MONEY... well I would take them on... wouldn't you? The fact is we all want to change the system. If running a lawsuit brings certain inequities to light then so be it.

Now the fact that Keenan and company are likely run by the Kuomintang behind the scenes and that they, that org, might have access to such off limits things like the Book of Codes and Maklumat... well that just makes it interesting.

My source says, he went into the Philippines and he saw the Book of Codes... 11 men went in and only 2 came out alive and he was one of them. He is scared to even "talk" about it. He said the Book of Codes is covered with a heavy black energy and warned David (by way of me) to stay far, far away even from copies...

Lastly, it's not about the drama. Life is drama...like it or not. Get used to it. All I am trying to do is use my public formats; interviews, Camelot roundtables and my blog as places to do just that. I think we can handle the truth no matter how 'dramatic' it is. It's not drama for drama's sake or some self-serving agenda... it's about awakening humanity and that doesn't come easy... hell sometimes realizations also known as "truth" make you cry!

More later....

Kerry
Project Camelot
stay tuned to my blog for updates

[Cottage Rose]

Benjamin Fulford Blog - Kim Jong Il Murdered

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37053-Benjamin-Fulford-Blog-Today-Kim-Jong-Il-Murdered

[Unified Serenity]

Kerry,

Thank you for the reply. I do appreciate the time you took in making this reply, but I wonder if you accurately read what I posted to you. I clearly stated I had NO problem with David's reaction to being threatened. I also clearly stated that the issue was what appeared to some that David basically said he had part II ready, and Mr. Anon said to get it out there ASAP in complete truth and only the truth for his own safety. David basically gave me the impression as well as others that he would be posting it with incredible haste as soon as it was proof read and he revealed he was advised to remove the names of individuals in part II. Then, nothing happened for two days!

TWO DAYS!

You know Kerry, David displayed incredible emotion and fear on the program which you say was real. I will accept your word for that. That fear was linked to the information he said he held and was going to release, and he seemed to truly accept and believe Mr. Anon's advice to post it as fast as possible, and yet he did not do that. None of this refects poorly on you at all Kerry. I do not think you used us. I do not think you did anything but take care of someone you were concerned about living through another day. Does what happened reflect that fear which David displayed? Instead he goes on a research binge? He portrayed that he had the goods, had the truth, and just needed it proof read and his life was at stake in getting it out as fast as possible. Yet, he instead goes on Coast to Coast. Gee, it looks like manipulation to a lot of people. I am saying all of this now, because you seemed to focus a lot of your reply to me in justifying David's emotions. I DON"T CARE about how he displayed his emotions. We all handle fear in different ways. I cared about what he did subsequently and the fruit garnered.

Have you noticed the jump in his web page numbers? It looks like this has been most beneficial to him, and I say "Great, wonderful job at gorilla marketing" which may seem snide, but DW did nothing to get the info out fast. So, I and others are left to wonder. Here are the web statistics you all. These are facts. Do they prove anything? No they don't accept DW has had a nice boost in net traffic and I am sure it will help his book sales and conference attendees. He's a great public speaker. He has even stated he gives away 90% of his material because that is how you make money online. Give away 90% and make money on 10% and conferences. That's great capitalism, but capitalism means sales, and sales means traffic, and how you get traffic can be done in costly advertising or gorilla marketing. Some of us wonder.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/attachment.php?attachmentid=12023&d=1324331585&thumb=1

You can check out this thread if you like to see the info:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257

Again, thanks for your words,

Serenity






I am sure that Kerry gets a lot of personal emails and pm's and sent this to her yesterday. I am hoping she will see this, and thus I post it on the thread she chose to post on regarding DW. I hope she reads it not as an attack, but in the spirit in which it was sent. I have also noticed that my suppositions regarding the boost in DW's traffic is a direct correlation to this incident. I posted the statistics on another thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257).

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37011-DAVID-WILCOCK-...Part-2&p=384257#post384257

Hello Kerry,

Welcome to the forum, I don't see you post very often, and I can only surmise that you are feeling attacked for the interview you did on the radio to protect DW. You are not under attack by those of us who have sincere questions and observations about DW.

I don't know if you have read all 48 pages of the DW is under attack thread, but if you have not then you are missing some information. For my part, I stated that I did not care how DW processed his emotions as we each do it in our own way when we are scared. I did state that he did appear to be peeing in his pants, but so what, he was upset. My issue was his displaying a near paralyzing fear over the information he held and was going to publish in part II. That he basically read a lot of it on air and was told to remove names and that he would post it very quickly as per anon. advice. And yet, DW did not do that. Instead he then went onto Coast to Coast. So far he now has come up with a new explanation that he is doing vast research and it's fascinating what he is learning. So, it makes those of us wonder how real was that fear? You're a smart and analytical woman Kerry. Try to step back and see it from a distance as we do observing the situation. YOU were not under attack in this. Yes, the whole is anon from an off world and then that other woman raylynn or whomever stated he is as star ship captain. It makes things look like a joke! No matter how many times Bill or anyone else tried to reel people off the woo woo fence, they just had to believe we were all hearing from some great alien who is looking out for us.

DW was the focus. His actions felt like manipulation to some of us when we looked at everything in total. If I may, imagine that I've just gotten terrible news that sets me off in a panic and I am in a state and need protection. You graciously provide me with that by letting me go public. In the middle of my gut wrenching palpable fear and display of emotion I throw out there to check out my new book..... then go back to crying and shaking in my shoes only to be told by a really powerful adviser to get this all out in the open and protect myself that way and to tell the truth, nothing but the truth NOW and I display that I have it ready and just need it proof read and checked, then despite my palpable fear, I do not do that, but instead go on more public speaking stuff and again get wonderful publicity for my website and book. It looks like priceless gorilla marketing, something I am quite knowledgable in.

I do not doubt your genuine concern Kerry. I seriously doubt DW's true fear vs never letting a good crisis go to waste mentality. It's DW's actions that is causing you to look like you have some culpability, and I was ripped to shreds for 5 plus pages for trying to give voice to those concerns not only shared by me, but by quite a few. I left the thread because the energy was so bad people wanted me dead, just ask Dawn the moderator what happened to me if you doubt what I am saying. Now, you have come on the thread and emboldened these same DW mafia members who are doing it again. I stood back and did not attack them energetically, but I am already under attack again. This is no game. The energy is real, and I won't be sitting back much longer. This needs to simmer down, and people need to stop transposing their own fears and triggers onto what happened to DW.

I don't think you meant ill, but for me as an outsider it is just part of the drama and further inciting negative energy. I say this with all due respect to you. This needs to stop for the members sake, and the community as a whole.

With much love,

Hi Christina,

Actually 90% of the feedback I am getting is overwhelmingly positive for the radio show, David and Anonymous.

I guess many people don't understand the sequence of events that at least I was party to... which is simply that 25 mins approx before show time someone forwarded the quoted text from David's Wilcock warning people that he had received a death threat and might not make it to morning... He's a good friend, and naturally I was concerned. So I called him to see if this was bogus (someone hacking his site etc). I could tell instantly he was scared and it was true so I said in true Camelot style... hey let's get you on the air and make this so well known they don't dare hit you. So we did.

It was my idea to bring on Anonymous (actually I called him immediately after I hung up with David and although I can't remember if I asked I remember he volunteered to come on the air and make sure the low level guys got the message). I was surprised he would risk everything to do this on the one hand but knowing how loyal and caring he was and how he could protect David (that is, contact those who could) I agreed. He then asked permission and sorted out a quick cover story.. and we arranged to have him call in on a special phone.

This all ended up happening partly during when I was on air in the beginning with David.. since things took some time to get to happen... the phone hook up etc. I had no idea how David would react.. and no idea he would break down. But then, Bob Dean broke down when he talked to me about his off-world encounters on camera and so I was no stranger to emotional displays... This was not scripted and it was real. David barely had time to think about anything before he came on the air.... what happened was LIVE and raw. If you wish it were otherwise might I suggest CNN...?

At any rate he broke down because in many ways he is not a hardened type and facing the real thing (in the form of the threats) and because the source (person who contacted him relaying the threats was a trusted friend) he totally believed them. I have said on my blog at that point the fact that they didn't just kill him but instead threatened to do so indicated it was a psyop... and I said as much on the air.. in the form of a question to Anonymous. Listen back and you will hear it. Having had a similar threat myself a year ago I was familiar with the approach...

Why they targeted him is still a mystery. In fact it may be they wanted to create just such an effect... stirring the waters to see how this sector reacted and whether they could manipulate his behavior... Generate enough fear to where he would drop it or release it sooner.. that's a weird twist. They threatened him if he didn't release it within such and such amount of time, and unless he got such and such amount of viewers.. only then would he survive beyond 3 days... What is that about? Two possibilities come to mind, either they wanted the info out there or they wanted to see if he had anything worth killing him or anyone else over (ie. such as naming names). As it happens, so far it seems the answer is no he doesn't really have anything new...

The only things that a source told me he would be killed over is having copies of or the original, Book of Codes and Maklumat. And the chances of him having copies of both are astronomical I am told. Unfortunately if you listen closely to the beginning of the show he says he has them. Later he denies it. Later he had to have been warned... to say he didn't have them. On air, before he had time to think, when he was crying and stating what was going on presumably he spoke the truth.

You are wondering why he made sure to put out in separate locations copies of crucial info he has but presumably has not yet released?? Well that is simply what we are all told to do. Some of us are organized enough (in our saner hours) to do so and others may be more ... uh, serendipitious.

It's not about deception. David may have an audience, so do we, but truth is our drug of choice and we don't lay down for anything less to put it crudely. Service to others. Get it? You can still have a big ego, and intellect and still react emotionally to things that trigger you. In David's case this was it. That doesn't mean he isn't a seasoned performer (speaker to large groups with years of experience mastering the emotions using the intellect and trouble shooting social situations on the fly) this is the identical type of recovery a trained actor has... I know because I studied acting with the best. And this doesn't mean he didn't honesty feel great fear and honestly cry as a result of the pressure... it was real.

I do understand, it's an old story... yes it is. But David is a journalist and a researcher and his contacts Keenan et al are coming to him with a personal angle on an old story of danger and intrigue to do with MONEY... well I would take them on... wouldn't you? The fact is we all want to change the system. If running a lawsuit brings certain inequities to light then so be it.

Now the fact that Keenan and company are likely run by the Kuomintang behind the scenes and that they, that org, might have access to such off limits things like the Book of Codes and Maklumat... well that just makes it interesting.

My source says, he went into the Philippines and he saw the Book of Codes... 11 men went in and only 2 came out alive and he was one of them. He is scared to even "talk" about it. He said the Book of Codes is covered with a heavy black energy and warned David (by way of me) to stay far, far away even from copies...

Lastly, it's not about the drama. Life is drama...like it or not. Get used to it. All I am trying to do is use my public formats; interviews, Camelot roundtables and my blog as places to do just that. I think we can handle the truth no matter how 'dramatic' it is. It's not drama for drama's sake or some self-serving agenda... it's about awakening humanity and that doesn't come easy... hell sometimes realizations also known as "truth" make you cry!

More later....

Kerry
Project Camelot
stay tuned to my blog for updates

[shamanseeker]

Thank you Kerry for all you are doing to get the truth out, for your concern for David. You are a brave lady, level-headed and compassionate and I admire you very much.

[Tommy]

Unified Serentiy: Are you seriously talking about web-statistics? My god.. talk about a GOOD DIVERSION!

Seriously, if a persons logic can not explain why David has had an increase in visitors then I seriously wonder if that person is qualified to make any assumptions about anything.
Yes, I am writing this rather uncanny and it is exactly as it appears to be. But what you are implying is simply appealing to the most basic of human disbelief.

I am not saying all your points are irrelevant, not at all, but seriously.. Web statistics? And even if he earns a buck, why is it so bad that he can continue to fund his work?
This is grasping for straws....


It is just sad to see people, some publicly respected, give statements and posts that undermine their own intelligence.

Duncan I know, and I get how he could say what he said.. That does not mean I agree at all and I know he accepts that with no problem. I will most likely be speaking to them this week and I will address this situation.

Also (this is not directed at U.S) hiding behind other peoples words to save face is not exactly honorable either..

And if David is so bad at what he does and it is so easy to find his wrongs, then why don't you go and uncover this story (and others) for your-self? What exactly is stopping you?

Don't take this too personal U.S, some of this is a general statement based on the final response I got from your latest posts, others are more clearly (and less clearly) directed.

All the best, regardless of disagreements :)

[noxon medem]

Excuse me , my senses are a little bit reduced and I suffer a slight dyslectia , and
find this case most interesting , intriquing and utterly captivating .

Nice to see " The Book of Marklar " being mentioned .
( one of my favourite Southpark episodes )

Here it gose :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzq4YDt7V-o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzq4YDt7V-o
(Marklars are wise and true .)

All well , and may Grod be with us .

:fish2:

[Duncan O'Finioan]

http://duncanofinioan.wordpress.com/2011/12/19/david-wilcock-death-threat-lions-tigers-bears-oh-no-round-two/

I am done with this mess.