Grandmother's Compassion

[Tony]

Grandmother's Compassion.

Grandmother's Compassion soothes the pain.
The pain is still there, but she makes it 'feel' better.

“What causes the pain Gran?'”
“Don't bother about that dear, have another piece of cake.
It will be alright.” said Grandmother.

Grandmother's compassion is to hope, based on fear.
This in turn is based on ignorance.
“Trust in Love and Light.”

If that were true, a lot of people would have been enlightened...
but they are not.
It's not that easy!
But it is that simple.

And there is the dilemma:
what do those words really mean?
Love? Light?

Are they to make you feel good?
Or do they have a truer meaning?
What is this Love?
What is this Light?

Grandmother's compassion, is relative truth -
we seem to feel better, but it does not last.
It's a temporary fix.

So who has ultimate truth?
You have it! You are it!
You are the Light.
Its expression is Love.

How will I know this Light?
How do I express this Love?
Through recognising your true nature.
Through recognising others true nature.

When you realise your true nature,
joy arises...
and then sadness, that others have not recognised their true nature.

That sadness is Love.
Once you realise that unshakeable Light,
the only thing left is to Love the Light in others.

Unshakeable means constant, absolute, unbreakable,
with a diamond quality.
Lucid, humorous, playful, clear, pure...never ending.

This Love manifests as pacifying, enriching, magnetising and destroying -
all in order to counter ego's games, which hide the Light.


Tony

[sirayah]

Thank you. Grandmothers can see who we really are at core and remind us of pure love.
My Grandmother transitioned at the Haiti earthquake to walk many souls over. She then returned to
inform me of my unborn/future son. He arrived a year after her message.
~Her love continues to transcend beyond form, blessings S

[Tarka the Duck]

Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche called this type of compassion "idiot compassion"...he never was one for pulling his punches...!

He said that we often act from what we think is the standpoint of compassion - whereas, in fact, we are trying to give people what they want because it causes US pain to see them suffering. We're actually doing things for ourselves to get away from our discomfort, rather than really considering what it is that may be beneficial for the other.

Trungpa was one of those teachers who never left a corner for you to go and hide - not to everyone's taste.

[Tony]

Chogyam Trungpa Rinpoche called this type of compassion "idiot compassion"...he never was one for pulling his punches...!

He said that we often act from what we think is the standpoint of compassion - whereas, in fact, we are trying to give people what they want because it causes US pain to see them suffering. We're actually doing things for ourselves to get away from our discomfort, rather than really considering what it is that may be beneficial for the other.

Trungpa was one of those teachers who never left a corner for you to go and hide - not to everyone's taste.

This goes to show how subtle - and extremely subtle - spiritual practice really is.
There are many levels.
At every moment, we have to go beyond self-deception...but without the feeling of guilt.
Our faculties have to be sharp.

Tony

[christian]

the "divine feminine", intuitive, nurturing, gentle etc...

[Tony]

Ah! I see the problem....the title is confusing!
This is not a literal grandmother. Here grandmother means a conventional wanting to make things better, but It is really to make me feel better. It does not address someone's problem at all.

It is a trick of the ego. There is a practice called 'Tonglen' [ giving and receiving ]of generating good will. But it can be done just to make you feel better. It is also called, as previously mentioned 'idiot compassion'. .....but this only counts if you are a dharma practitioner!!!!

[Lisab]

" I give £10 a month to charity by direct debit, I dont even notice its gone".. The Mighty Boosh.

Or tea and sympathy?

[Tony]

" I give £10 a month to charity by direct debit, I dont even notice its gone".. The Mighty Boosh.

Or tea and sympathy?

Well, a chat would be nice! Actually a listen would be nice!!!

[Lisab]

So does true compassion exist at all, or is it motivated purely by self-interest? When do I know? How do I know?

[Tony]

So does true compassion exist at all, or is it motivated purely by self-interest? When do I know? How do I know?

This is a very important question!

There varying degrees of compassion.
Every animal has a sense of compassion or caring, for its young.
There is human compassion, which is generally based on some sort of self interest. This is not bad, it is just part of the evolution process.

Then there is buddha's compassion, unconditional compassion.
We can have that intention, this is called bodhichitta. There will always be self interest right up until the moment of enlightenment.

The trick is to let the action be spontaneous, and then drop any claiming.
The power is in the intention or motivation. The OP says it all.

One other thing, it is the question of guilt. Sometime one wishes to love but the recipient cannot take it, this seems to happen in family matters.
Love then, is to give space, and time.

Somethings may never be resolved, but the right intents is there.

Tony

[Borden]

Hello pie'n'eal

I always like your threads, and you strike me as someone with whom I could have a bloody good conversation, preferably over a pint. I know you won't take offense if I question your beliefs.

Buddhism has always seemed to me to be the act of cutting one's nose off to spite one's face writ large. 'Existence can and does hurt, and so I will feel attached to nothing to avoid that hurt. Nyah nyah nyah.' Forgive my sarcastic tone please.

Existence does hurt. We all know that. I will be here through all of my hurt. Who is this 'I'? What is this hurt? Of course ... people of any depth whatsoever ask themselves these questions constantly throughout their entire lives.

I've entertained the unpleasant question of whether or not true selfless kindness exists, of course, and I feel that there are two ways of looking at it. Maybe we are all acting out our mammalian instincts and perverting them to fit a bankrupt invention of 'morality' ... or maybe there is a deep core in us that recognises the one thing that we all are. I don't know. Maybe it's a case of both happening simultaneously. After all, in this fractal universe, things tend to be like other things, and patterns reflect where causality would state they couldn't. Sod causality. I think we're a bit more on the up and up than the benighted minds who stand by a dead paradigm.

What is this true nature? Because it could mean two very different things. Sometimes I feel that we are all a set of algorithms who imagine consciousness where there really is only the invention of consciousness ... and sometimes I imagine something nobler and far more wonderful. I am holistic in my appraisal and my confusion!

But, and I don't know whether or not this is a personal or a zeitgeist kind of a thing ... I feel the lid's coming off. Do you feel a boiling insistence also that it's about time we knew a lot of things we haven't for so long? As a 'civilisation, I mean?

Sorry about the Buddhism comment. It's more conjecture than anything, first impressions maybe. I have read quite a lot. I'm more into Taoism myself. Not that dissimilar perhaps.

Borden

[Tony]

Hello pie'n'eal

I always like your threads, and you strike me as someone with whom I could have a bloody good conversation, preferably over a pint. I know you won't take offense if I question your beliefs.

Buddhism has always seemed to me to be the act of cutting one's nose off to spite one's face writ large. 'Existence can and does hurt, and so I will feel attached to nothing to avoid that hurt. Nyah nyah nyah.' Forgive my sarcastic tone please.

Existence does hurt. We all know that. I will be here through all of my hurt. Who is this 'I'? What is this hurt? Of course ... people of any depth whatsoever ask themselves these questions constantly throughout their entire lives.

I've entertained the unpleasant question of whether or not true selfless kindness exists, of course, and I feel that there are two ways of looking at it. Maybe we are all acting out our mammalian instincts and perverting them to fit a bankrupt invention of 'morality' ... or maybe there is a deep core in us that recognises the one thing that we all are. I don't know. Maybe it's a case of both happening simultaneously. After all, in this fractal universe, things tend to be like other things, and patterns reflect where causality would state they couldn't. Sod causality. I think we're a bit more on the up and up than the benighted minds who stand by a dead paradigm.

What is this true nature? Because it could mean two very different things. Sometimes I feel that we are all a set of algorithms who imagine consciousness where there really is only the invention of consciousness ... and sometimes I imagine something nobler and far more wonderful. I am holistic in my appraisal and my confusion!

But, and I don't know whether or not this is a personal or a zeitgeist kind of a thing ... I feel the lid's coming off. Do you feel a boiling insistence also that it's about time we knew a lot of things we haven't for so long? As a 'civilisation, I mean?

Sorry about the Buddhism comment. It's more conjecture than anything, first impressions maybe. I have read quite a lot. I'm more into Taoism myself. Not that dissimilar perhaps.

Borden




Dear Boden,

Your mind seems very open...easy to talk to. I have been known to frequent a pub once or twice...although as you can imagine, I usually end up talking more than drinking ;)!

We are the jewel in the mud.

The mud just needs washing off.
The mud is conceptual thinking.
The mud clings because we (our consciousness) has got used to holding on to concepts about ourselves and phenomena in the universe.

Yes, Buddhism is about suffering = the mud!
It's not so much about avoiding the mud: it's more of about understanding the cause of the mud, or the nature of the mud.
This mud does hurt.
It dries and fixes, and gets very heavy.

This fixation with our concepts is held in the mind, or consciousness.
This is the software on the hard drive..it becomes the karmic store we carry around.
This is the filter that we generally see through, and it closes the mind.
Because we see through this conceptual filter, we create more of the same.

Even seeing through good concepts can create suffering, because we wish our good life to last.
When something unpleasant comes along, we cannot deal with it.

So what is our true nature?
It is pure consciousness (called emptiness) where no mud can cling.
That is the jewel!
It is selfless, because there are no concepts....of self.
It is pure perception...pure experience.
There is no fixed experiencer (subject) and no phenomena to experience (object).

But here in a body, we do identify with the body and mind. There is a seeming reality.
That is why instruction and practice is so important.

As to the 'lid coming off'. You could be right, this confused state we live in is called samsara in Sanskrit.
What is appearing now is a 'super samsara'. A mass of negative activity.
This very darkness seems to be revealing more Light (light means luminosity of consciousness..pure Light).
It could be a renaissance of awareness...

This is not without its own problems...people could get too excited and cling to this!!!

What is needed is cool boredom!
To notice without too much interest.
This where the term 'mere I' comes in handy.
In meditation, one barely notices.

If we get too interested, our attention moves out instead of in.
We need insight!

Do I feel something?........yes.
If you were to push me, I'd say it was tears of joy...and sadness.

All the best
Tony

[Borden]

Thank you, Tony,

You certainly put things in a beautiful way. I don't think we'd have too much to disagree about over our pint - not regarding the subject of the situation we're in as conscious beings anyway. However, what best to do about it all might well lead to less absolute agreement and further pints.

Best wishes,

Borden