Another US Drone Downed..!

[jackovesk]

Cyber war on US drones? Another spy craft crash, now in Seychelles

14 December, 2011

http://rt.com/files/usa/news/seychelles-drone-us-iran-711/seychelles-drone-crash.n.jpg

With America still scrambling to explain why and how they lost a drone aircraft over Iran last week, the Pentagon is trying to make sense of how another high-tech unmanned spy craft crashed Tuesday morning in the Seychelles.

For the second time in two weeks, American authorities lost contact with a drone aircraft, this time resulting in a fiery crash in the Seychelles in the Indian Ocean. The United States has operated an Air Force base there since 2009 to dispatch drones for use in anti-piracy missions and to patrol the skies over Somalia and elsewhere.

Officials at the US embassy in Mauritius confirmed the crash onTuesday morning, revealing that an MQ-9, or “Reaper” drone, had landed at Seychelles International Airport, citing mechanical issues.

A week earlier, the Department of Defense denied losing a drone, only for Iran authorities to in turn publish video proof of an American craft that they have recovered. The Pentagon later admitted that they lost contact with the drone while allegedly flying it over Afghanistan, prompting President Obama to ask Tehran to return the spy plane.


Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has shot down Obama’s plea, however, telling Venezuelan state television this week, “The Americans have perhaps decided to give us this spy plane. We now have control of this plane.” Ahmadinejad added that Iranian authorities are able to make sense of the craft’s complex technical system, perhaps providing a crucial addition to Iran’s arsenal as tensions between Tehran and Washington intensify over a budding nuclear program overseas.

The Department of Defense has remained relatively mum on the exact capabilities of the lost craft, although insiders insist that the drone in question can sniff out chemicals in the sky and intercept cell phone transmissions miles in the sky while remaining undetected.

The loss of the second drone within days raises questions about security within the US military and the unmanned crafts themselves. It was reported earlier this year that drones dispatched from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada were plagued with a computer virus that made its way into the cockpits of the crafts without American authorities able to quickly identify it.

Even though US military officials claimed that the virus didn’t harm the security of US aircraft, it is suspicious that now two American drones have been downed in only such a short amount of time, raising questions whether it is possible retaliation from Iran for an alleged cyber attack the year prior. Stuxnet, a 2010 computer warm that targeted Iranian nuclear facilities, was suspected to be perpetrated by American intelligence agencies, much to their dismissal.

In the case of the down drone over Seychelles, authorities say that government officials of the island nation were “immediately notified” and are coordinating an effort with the United States to arrange for “the removal of debris,” says the US Air Force. Pending further investigation, the US Air Force released a statement on Tuesday saying that “It has been confirmed that this drone was unarmed and its failure was due to mechanical reasons.”

Editor Gervais Henrie of the local Le Seychellois Hebdo tells the Washington Post that the craft burst into blames upon crashing, describing the wreckage in a phone interview as charred and “totally destroyed.”

The MQ-9 Reaper has the capability of launching laser-guided bombs and air-to-ground missiles, although the DoD says the craft in question was not armed and no injuries resulted in the crash.

http://rt.com/usa/news/seychelles-drone-us-iran-711/

[RMorgan]

Hey Jack,

You know, I´ve lost 50 bucks once...I´ve lost my car keys and a cool hat as well.

Now, losing a military state-of-the-art craft, that worth tens of million dollars is one thing...Losing TWO of them is pure incompetence, with all due respect.

Cheers,

Raf.

[johnf]

I found an article that shows 5 foreign crashes in 2011.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/43606/seychelles-drone-crash-adds-list-military-mishaps

Interesting hobby the united States has here. Ever get in trouble for jumping a neighbors fence to get the frisbee, kite model airplane that got away? At least in those cases Angry old man Watson wasn't likely to use the technology against you.

[13th Warrior]

I found an article that shows 5 foreign crashes in 2011.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/world-news/43606/seychelles-drone-crash-adds-list-military-mishaps

Interesting hobby the united States has here. Ever get in trouble for jumping a neighbors fence to get the frisbee, kite model airplane that got away? At least in those cases Angry old man Watson wasn't likely to use the technology against you.

Nice Denis the Menace reference.

[Calz]

Too funny.

Story was released (no link ... many sources) suggesting that the Iranians had (from other previously crashed drones) been able to figure out how to hack into the GPS system (alleged bug) and "confuse" a drone into landing where it thought was it's home base (obviously not).

I say too funny because IMHO this is actually a good development (if true) in that it may give further pause to the push for WW3???

[WhiteFeather]

David wilcock States it was intervened by an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, in his latest video with Kerry Cassidy yesterday. He mentions this at the end of the interview.

[Calz]

David wilcock States it was intervened by an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, in his latest video with Kerry Cassidy. He mentions this at the end of the interview.

Thanks WhiteFeather.

I am all over that one (as is Carmody) and perhaps the GPS is spin ... but it is certainly another possibility and more "accessible" to most.

[WhiteFeather]

That's what he stated to Kerry last nite, he knows something for sure Calz!

[RMorgan]

David wilcock States it was intervened by an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, in his latest video with Kerry Cassidy. He mentions this at the end of the interview.

Hey White Feathered friend!

Let´s leave this guy out for a while...There´s a whole pretty messed up thread about him, which is 99% noise and 1% information, by now.

There´s a hundred of earthly possibilities to be examined before throwing out the ET card on the table.

I believe that once the Iranian scientists put their hands on one drone, they could easily reverse engineer it and find a way to bring all similar drones down.

It was a big mistake from the US to let such weapons fall in enemy hands. They´ve lost not only money, but a huge strategic advantage.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Calz]

Whatever the source I hope it/they will see fit to "protect" the American population as well???

(not that our karma should not be flying back in our face for what we have allowed ...)


HYETraMg_mM

[DreamsInDigital]

I'm sticking with the ET/Off Worlder theory on these, they're just getting so bloody tired of the childishness and our government playing with their "tiny toys" and needlessly trying to pick fights that they(Benevolent Forces) are "stepping up their game". And, I'm saying this without influence of DW or anyone else but my own thoughts, feelings, impressions etc.

[Calz]

I'm sticking with the ET/Off Worlder theory on these, they're just getting so bloody tired of the childishness and our government playing with their "tiny toys" and needlessly trying to pick fights that they(Benevolent Forces) are "stepping up their game". And, I'm saying this without influence of DW or anyone else but my own thoughts, feelings, impressions etc.

Who knows???

Something certainly happened (or is happening).

The latest was a crash is that correct???

Lotso ways for a drone to be downed ... but to capture one unscratched ... now that is a real story here.

[WhiteFeather]

I'm playing the ET card here, sorry bro. My intuition tells me so. They are also disabling nuclear facilities as well. Out of this world to say the least.

[Calz]

I'm playing the ET card here, sorry bro. My intuition tells me so. They are also disabling nuclear facilities as well. Out of this world to say the least.

You could well be correctomundo my very perceptive WhiteFeathered friend :thumb:

You notice I didn't suggest the "nugget" word ... 12 step programs (and electrotherapy) really work wonders

:whistle:

[Seikou-Kishi]

Hey Jack,

You know, I´ve lost 50 bucks once...I´ve lost my car keys and a cool hat as well.

Now, losing a military state-of-the-art craft, that worth tens of million dollars is one thing...Losing TWO of them is pure incompetence, with all due respect.

Cheers,

Raf.

It's only incompetence if it's an accident.

[mojo]

More likely the U.S. must have deemed the technology expendable otherwise they would have found a way to destroy it after it was downed, and the newest technology is probably many generations ahead of what was in the drone. A loss for sure but one they can live with.

[Seikou-Kishi]

This thing landed, it didn't crash. Nothing else explains the immaculate condition in which it was 'seized'. My guess would be that it had any truly secret components removed and then flown to Iran as an excuse to escalate the false conflict they're peddling at the moment.

[ghostrider]

we spy on everything and throw a hissy when others peek a boo at us, hmmmmm? what were they monitoring ?? over the indian ocean ??

[RMorgan]

we spy on everything and throw a hissy when others peek a boo at us, hmmmmm? what were they monitoring ?? over the indian ocean ??

Well said, my ghostly friend.

This is the root of most of our problems. If every country (specially the US) just minded its own business, the world would be a much different place by now.

It´s OK for a country to help other countries, in fact, it´s great! But´s not ok to keep messing with every country in the world just for financial/power/control reasons.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Calz]

More likely the U.S. must have deemed the technology expendable otherwise they would have found a way to destroy it after it was downed, and the newest technology is probably many generations ahead of what was in the drone. A loss for sure but one they can live with.

Nope ... not this time.

You see Cheney's reaction???

Yes the technology was/is/should have been there ... but *something* happened.

And yes ... Margaret ... it really is a game changer.

Cheney doesn't get his heart pumping unless he really really needs to.

[baddbob]

Im wondering if these drones are part of the PROJECT LEONID delovoped by lockheed martin either way its upsettng that the cost of these drones could have fed so many hungry people:(

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[toad]

The whole Alien theory is a lil out there. Naturally I'm skeptical. The amount of drones in use is pretty high, to say one cant be downed via mechanical problems is improbable is giving these systems far too much credit. These drones were entirely different aswell, the reaper is different then the RQ as I'm sure some of us are aware. The one that went down in Iran, I suspect was due to a cyber attack, done by the Iranian military, obviously if you're the US military you wouldn't want to be stating publicly that your new RQ stealth drone is susceptible to a digital attack and can be easily commandeered. The condition of which it was preserved suggest this to me. The US lost control, this is true, however the way in which it lost control is up for debate. Its pretty clear that it didnt crash, else there would be physical evidence of this, perhaps maybe the Iranians covered up this evidence and touted that it was stolen and they landed it. Perhaps with the aid of Chinese digital warriors they(Iranians) have learned how to take over these drones, and like I said if you're the US this isn't something you would want to easily admit publicly.

[spiritguide]

Speaking of drones, has anyone seen drone vehicles driving around? Usually they are out in the early morning. Have blackened windows and violet interior glow. Seen one on the interstate around 2:30 AM north of Indy a few years ago. Believe it or not!

:peace:

[toad]

Speaking of drones, has anyone seen drone vehicles driving around? Usually they are out in the early morning. Have blackened windows and violet interior glow. Seen one on the interstate around 2:30 AM north of Indy a few years ago. Believe it or not!

:peace:

What makes you think its a drone?

[spiritguide]

No one in the vehicle....


I did not intend to divert the thread. The experiance just popped out and thought I would share it.
Ignore the statement and question.

[modwiz]

More likely the U.S. must have deemed the technology expendable otherwise they would have found a way to destroy it after it was downed, and the newest technology is probably many generations ahead of what was in the drone. A loss for sure but one they can live with.

Nope ... not this time.

You see Cheney's reaction???

Yes the technology was/is/should have been there ... but *something* happened.

And yes ... Margaret ... it really is a game changer.

Cheney doesn't get his heart pumping unless he really really needs to.

I am with you, Calz. Cheney gave it away. If, he was not acting. The zigs and zags of things are starting to make me look for the thing to keep my eye on. The heart is involved too.

The stakes have goten very high. The cockroaches are getting light on them and they are scurrying. The are fighting and flighting at the same time and, in typical adrenalized sympathetic nervous system response, the cerebrum is getting very little blood and bad decisions are the norm now.

[modwiz]

The whole Alien theory is a lil out there. Naturally I'm skeptical. The amount of drones in use is pretty high, to say one cant be downed via mechanical problems is improbable is giving these systems far too much credit. These drones were entirely different aswell, the reaper is different then the RQ as I'm sure some of us are aware. The one that went down in Iran, I suspect was due to a cyber attack, done by the Iranian military, obviously if you're the US military you wouldn't want to be stating publicly that your new RQ stealth drone is susceptible to a digital attack and can be easily commandeered. The condition of which it was preserved suggest this to me. The US lost control, this is true, however the way in which it lost control is up for debate. Its pretty clear that it didnt crash, else there would be physical evidence of this, perhaps maybe the Iranians covered up this evidence and touted that it was stolen and they landed it. Perhaps with the aid of Chinese digital warriors they(Iranians) have learned how to take over these drones, and like I said if you're the US this isn't something you would want to easily admit publicly.

If I find the link I'll put it up later. A very intelligent article was written on Veterans Today and the writer simply stated that almost all components used in our military hardware are manufactured in China. Better profits, ya know? They have built back doors into these components and their buddies, the Iranians were given some code for access. Bingo, nicely landed drone.

Another entity in the Middle East is notorious for supplying software to many of our industries and intelligence agencies with backdoors built in for easy access. Between brain drain and corporate greed to save a few bucks, we, the USA, are a joke as a functioning country. We are a big brainless, undereducated soldier.

Oh yeah, we flip burgers and make french fries.:to_pick_ones_nose: Freedom fries for awhile
there.

The link is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/

[truth4me]

we spy on everything and throw a hissy when others peek a boo at us, hmmmmm? what were they monitoring ?? over the indian ocean ??your spot on here! America can go around kicking sand in one's face but when they a little sand slung their way they cry and moan....I will never stand and pledge to this country I live in. If I had the money to leave I would be gone in a minute......

[Kindred]

If I find the link I'll put it up later. A very intelligent article was written on Veterans Today and the writer simply stated that almost all components used in our military hardware are manufactured in China. Better profits, ya know? They have built back doors into these components and their buddies, the Iranians were given some code for access. Bingo, nicely landed drone.

Another entity in the Middle East is notorious for supplying software to many of our industries and intelligence agencies with backdoors built in for easy access. Between brain drain and corporate greed to save a few bucks, we, the USA, are a joke as a functioning country. We are a big brainless, undereducated soldier.

Oh yeah, we flip burgers and make french fries.:to_pick_ones_nose: Freedom fries for awhile
there.

The link is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/

Yes, I too had read that article when is was first published... very good read, and some interesting tech knowledge too. Interesting that Al Gore was the one 'responsible' for permitting this 'downgrade' of technology in the American MIC. Oh, what tangled webs we weave...

IMHO... true karma.

In Unity and Peace

[modwiz]

If I find the link I'll put it up later. A very intelligent article was written on Veterans Today and the writer simply stated that almost all components used in our military hardware are manufactured in China. Better profits, ya know? They have built back doors into these components and their buddies, the Iranians were given some code for access. Bingo, nicely landed drone.

Another entity in the Middle East is notorious for supplying software to many of our industries and intelligence agencies with backdoors built in for easy access. Between brain drain and corporate greed to save a few bucks, we, the USA, are a joke as a functioning country. We are a big brainless, undereducated soldier.

Oh yeah, we flip burgers and make french fries.:to_pick_ones_nose: Freedom fries for awhile
there.

The link is here:http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/12/10/the-great-chinese-iranian-stealth-reconnaissance-drone-theft-caper/

Yes, I too had read that article when is was first published... very good read, and some interesting tech knowledge too. Interesting that Al Gore was the one 'responsible' for permitting this 'downgrade' of technology in the American MIC. Oh, what tangled webs we weave...

IMHO... true karma.

In Unity and Peace

I'm sure he was well compensated for his decisions. They all are.

Big ego and bank accounts. Teeny, tiny spirits. Not convinced they are even one of our own species anymore.

I am not being flippant here either.

[jackovesk]

More likely the U.S. must have deemed the technology expendable otherwise they would have found a way to destroy it after it was downed, and the newest technology is probably many generations ahead of what was in the drone. A loss for sure but one they can live with.

Either that, or they have allowed this to happen and built a back-door into the back-door software...

e.g. Iran takes it into a Top Secret Underground Base for Re-Engineering and 'KA-BOOM'..!

[toothpick]

H Jack, another great thread, man.
It is hard for me to believe that the US military would, let, anything be taken, especially so called top technology, not that it couldn,t have been taken down in some way, but that rather, the US military would have blown it up long before they had a chance to look it over.
Maybe it is older technology and they let it go on purpose, good excuse to drop some, stored too long, bombs.

[Calz]

Nothing really new here (or proof against the UFO capture) but sharing anyway. It does go on to suggest the latest loss of a drone was, in fact, a crash.

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How Iran hacked super-secret CIA stealth drone

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Undated picture shows member of Iran's revolutionary guard pointing at U.S. RQ-170 unmanned spy plane as he speaks with Hajizadeh at unknown location in Iran ( REUTERS/Handout)


More damage is being dished out to the US intelligence community as sources in Iran admit to hacking the CIA’s lost drone and bringing it down with not much more than computer navigating know-how.

Engineers with the Iranian military are admitting to the Christian Science Monitor that the dramatic disappearance of a multi-million dollar stealth drone aircraft suffered by the United States two weeks ago was indeed a result of their own doing, claiming now that they managed to hijack the system inside the craft with ease and bring it to a safe landing without incident.

The United States originally denied they lost a drone over Iran before changing their story and insisting that they lost contact with the craft during a surveillance mission over neighboring Afghanistan. Iranian officials quickly corrected Americans by displaying footage of the spy-plane and revealing that it was apprehended over 100 miles from the country’s border with Afghanistan.

RT has reported throughout the ordeal that the downing of the drone could have resulted from a budding cyber war between American and Iranian intelligence. Now officials overseas are insisting that they did indeed hack the craft to quietly bring it down.

Speaking to the CSM, an engineer responsible for the interception speaking on condition of anonymity says that technicians managed to hack into the craft’s GPS navigation, which the official describes as “weak.”

"By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain,” says the source.

Less than two weeks after the RQ-170 Sentinel was lost over Iran, US officials cited a system malfunction as the culprit in another drone that crashed over the Indian Ocean on Tuesday this week.

In a report out of RT earlier this week, we rehashed an earlier incident at Nevada’s Creech Air Force base in the United States from months earlier that left a key logger-virus installed in the cockpits of the military’s drones. We added to the report on Wednesday this week, citing an investigation out of Univision that linked Iranian officials with Mexican hackers in an alleged cyber war plot to attack the American intelligence community, specifically the Central Intelligence Agency, Pentagon and Department of Defense.

The RQ-170 Sentinel recovered by Iran was flying for the CIA when it was apprehended.

The United States originally laughed at Iran’s interception of the craft, with one American official telling Defense News that the act was equivalent to “dropping a Ferrari into an ox-cart technology culture.” Now Tehran says that they were able to successfully reverse-engineer the craft by using less powerful drones that it has downed in the years prior. To the CSM, officials overseas say that the weaknesses in the GPS navigation of the craft were known by US officials, who did little to fix the patch.

Despite both losses in recent days, US Defense Department Secretary Leon Panetta said to Fox News this week that America will “absolutely” continue stealth jets missions over Iran.

Iranian authorities have hailed the recovery as a great success for the country since announcing that they had obtained the craft, much to the chagrin of the Obama administration. The US president has formally asked Tehran to return the craft to authorities, to which Iran shrugged off.

http://rt.com/usa/news/iran-drone-hack-stealth-943/

Some embedded links (one with video, story about the latest, then chest pounding pride suggesting the program will continue overflights of Iran):

http://rt.com/usa/news/iran-drone-plane-craft-385/

http://rt.com/usa/news/seychelles-drone-us-iran-711/

http://rt.com/usa/news/panetta-absolutely-iran-drone-831/

[Calz]

Cross posting the link Carmody put up in the DW threat thread for anyone who may not have seen it before.

Again ... not proof of anything ... but I have learned to pay close attention to anything Carmody refers to.

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Part I: Was US Spy Drone Captured by Iranian Flying Saucer?

Click here for Part II
http://pesn.com/2011/12/16/9601985_PartII_US_Spy_Drone_Captured_by_Iranian_Flying_Saucer/

Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, an Iranian scientist and engineer, claims that an Iranian flying saucer technology he developed was used to capture the Sentinel drone about which the mainstream media has been reporting. Does Iran have a space program more advanced than NASA's?

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The US spy drone captured by the Iranians.
Credit: AFP


by Hank Mills with Sterling D. Allan
Pure Energy Systems News


Of all the inventors making bold claims on the internet, Iranian nuclear engineer Mehran Tavakoli Keshe is perhaps the most enigmatic, and the most interesting. By allegedly harnessing a fusion reaction that manipulates dark matter, regular matter, and antimatter, he claims to have developed technologies that rival those in science fiction. As we reported last April, Keshe claims that years ago he gave the Iranian military his technology in order for them to produce flying saucers; and the alleged Iranian flying saucer that had popped up in the news last March was a result of that. He had offered it to NASA, but they poopooed it.

If his statements are true, these craft can do more than just manipulate gravity for propulsion. They can also produce force fields, emit tractor beams, generate unlimited amounts of clean energy, and have inertial damping systems that allow occupants to avoid feeling accelerations.

Keshe is now claiming in a post made to his forum on December 13, that this technology was used by Iran to capture the unmanned Sentinel spy drone that the US military had sent over. He states that the drone was snatched out of the air with force fields, and then placed on the ground, without significant damage (as seen in the photo), to be retrieved. This is very different than Iran's official story that claims the drone was captured with a "cyber attack" or hacking. If Keshe's claim is true, then the "official" story from Iran is a spin. According to the mainstream media, the method by which the drone was captured is a mystery. [Link]

As he continues in his post, Keshe talks about how the Iranian saucer program is more advanced than NASA's space program. He describes it as being "light years" ahead of NASA. However, he makes it clear the technology is not going to be used for aggressive purposes by the Iranian military, but only for peaceful purposes. He describes Iran as a peace-loving nation, which may or may not be accurate.

In the same post, he invites the United States and other nations of the world to negotiate with the Keshe Foundation for full disclosure and use of the technology. It seems that he is serious about wanting the technology to be used for the good of the planet, and not to give one nation's military an advantage over all others. Here is an excerpt.

There is no hacking, but the use of advanced space technology.

In the past, in this forum, and in my presentations around Europe, and in my international interviews in the past months, I have explained again and again that the Keshe Foundation and Iranian spaceship program has the capability of radar blockage and capture of material in airborne condition.

The Islamic republic of Iran has the capability of capture and landing of any flying object irrespective of their size and speed as seen with capture of one of the most advanced flying crafts in these above videos and the request of so called the most advanced nation on earth for its toy back.

In this case, there has been no malfunctioning of the craft, but this has been a simple capture and landing of an object at high speed through advanced space programs.

What he may or may not realize, is that the black-budget, military-industrial-complex based in the United States has been testing advanced air and space craft for decades. Some of these very secret craft are probably using technology reverse-engineered from the extraterrestrial space craft that crashed near Roswell, NM in 1947. After fifty or so years of working with ET technology, the military-industrial-complex more than likely has craft that rival those in Iran's nascent saucer program. The difference is that Keshe offers his technology to mankind, while the military-industrial-complex sequesters their advanced technology for their own nefarious purposes. According to Keshe, Iran just happens to be the first to embrace his technology.

It is difficult to know if Keshe is telling the truth, if he is exaggerating, or if he is delusional. He has made so many extremely amazing claims, it is hard to believe all of them can be true. If they are *all* true, then he has developed every technology needed for humanity to colonize the galaxy. Simply put, we would not need to wait hundreds of years to build the Starship Enterprise, we could build it right now!

For a review of his technology, see our feature page: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation

Keshe seems to be starting to provide some limited amount of evidence to back up his assertions. He claims that there was a demonstration during a one and a half hour lecture in Belgium on December 3, 2011, that was organized by the Belford Group of Belgium. According to him, 130 people attended the demonstration. During the event, he asserts a video recording of a laboratory system was shown, that had weight reducing abilities. Afterwards, the actual weight reducing system was demonstrated to the audience. In addition, a 3-4 kilowatt generator was presented, along with an "Oasis" system. You can read the post that describes the lecture, here.

An article found on the "wanttoknow.nl" website discusses a lecture he gave in the Netherlands, in November of this year. The author of the article describes how during the lecture he showed a video of a three kilowatt generator, but then claimed he could not demonstrate it there, because the police had stolen it from him.

Repeatedly, Keshe claims to be the victim of suppression by various governments and organizations. For example, in Toronto he had all of his papers stolen by Canadian government officials. If his technology works as he claims, I think suppression of his technology is very likely, because it could change the world if widely adopted.

If Keshe's claims have any veracity, this is one of the most amazing developments taking place on the planet.

Stay tuned for Part II, a report on a 1.5-hour interview Sterling had with Keshe today.


http://pesn.com/2011/12/14/9601981_US_Spy_Drone_Captured_by_Iranian_Flying_Saucer/

[Rantaak]

"By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain,” says the source.

This phrase is a logical contradiction. To put something into autopilot means to give it artificial intelligence that does not require human interfacing. They don't write AI instructions for these things that say, "Land safely in the enemy base!"... And yet..

I conclude that this was deliberate... By whose hand, I am still uncertain, though my guesses are somewhere between the U.S.A. and the allegedly benevolent aliens.

[jackovesk]

Was US Spy Drone Captured by Iranian Flying Saucer?

Mehran Tavakoli Keshe, an Iranian scientist and engineer, claims that an Iranian flying saucer technology he developed was used to capture the Sentinel drone about which the mainstream media has been reporting. Does Iran have a space program more advanced than NASA's?

Pure Energy Systems News


Of all the inventors making bold claims on the internet, Iranian nuclear engineer Mehran Tavakoli Keshe is perhaps the most enigmatic, and the most interesting. By allegedly harnessing a fusion reaction that manipulates dark matter, regular matter, and antimatter, he claims to have developed technologies that rival those in science fiction. As we reported last April, Keshe claims that years ago he gave the Iranian military his technology in order for them to produce flying saucers; and the alleged Iranian flying saucer that had popped up in the news last March was a result of that. He had offered it to NASA, but they poopooed it.

If his statements are true, these craft can do more than just manipulate gravity for propulsion. They can also produce force fields, emit tractor beams, generate unlimited amounts of clean energy, and have inertial damping systems that allow occupants to avoid feeling accelerations.

Keshe is now claiming in a post made to his forum on December 13, that this technology was used by Iran to capture the unmanned Sentinel spy drone that the US military had sent over. He states that the drone was snatched out of the air with force fields, and then placed on the ground, without significant damage (as seen in the photo), to be retrieved. This is very different than Iran's official story that claims the drone was captured with a "cyber attack" or hacking. If Keshe's claim is true, then the "official" story from Iran is a spin. According to the mainstream media, the method by which the drone was captured is a mystery. [Link]

As he continues in his post, Keshe talks about how the Iranian saucer program is more advanced than NASA's space program. He describes it as being "light years" ahead of NASA. However, he makes it clear the technology is not going to be used for aggressive purposes by the Iranian military, but only for peaceful purposes. He describes Iran as a peace-loving nation, which may or may not be accurate.

In the same post, he invites the United States and other nations of the world to negotiate with the Keshe Foundation for full disclosure and use of the technology. It seems that he is serious about wanting the technology to be used for the good of the planet, and not to give one nation's military an advantage over all others. Here is an excerpt.

Part 2 - Can be found through link below...

http://pesn.com/2011/12/14/9601981_US_Spy_Drone_Captured_by_Iranian_Flying_Saucer/

http://peswiki.com/images/d/d9/UniversalOrderCreationMatters_Keshe_bookcover_300.jpg

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Keshe_Foundation

[baddbob]

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[DeDukshyn]

"By putting noise [jamming] on the communications, you force the bird into autopilot. This is where the bird loses its brain,” says the source.

This phrase is a logical contradiction. To put something into autopilot means to give it artificial intelligence that does not require human interfacing. They don't write AI instructions for these things that say, "Land safely in the enemy base!"... And yet..

I conclude that this was deliberate... By whose hand, I am still uncertain, though my guesses are somewhere between the U.S.A. and the allegedly benevolent aliens.

Perhaps the statement was incompletely or incorrectly cited/translated?. I think the intention was to say how if the planes communications go down it loses its "pilot" because it can no longer make "decisions" based on input from its controllers. I doubt the AI in these things is strong at all. So, when that happens the autopilot uses GPS to fly home (as opposed to being fed instructions), the GPS system was hacked and it flew home ... to Iraq ;)

Likely just a crappy translation.

[Calz]

This continues to be an interesting story and caveat to the "march to war". Suggests (who knows how reliably) that this technology is *only* available to the CIA (not military) and goes on to suggest similar design to B2 bomber technology.

No wonder Cheney was getting his panties all in a bunch :lol:

:croc:

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RQA-170's design confirms US ill intent

Mon Jan 2, 2012

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The US RQ-170 spy drone was downed by Iran's Armed Forces on December 4, 2011.


Iran's former Defense Minister says sensors used in a US RQ-170 spy drone, which was recently captured in eastern Iran, clearly prove that it had been designed to violate the country's airspace.

Rear Admiral Ali Shamkhani said if the drone was meant to carry out spy missions along the Afghan border, it must have only carried photographic sensors because it would not need a monitoring system as well as thermal and spectrometer sensors which have been found in RQ-170.

“Meanwhile, such advanced planes are only available to the CIA and even America's Defense Ministry, the Pentagon, does not have such drones,” he added.

“The type of sensors used in RQ-170 proves that it was meant to violate the Islamic Republic of Iran's airspace. Therefore, the Americans must be answerable for their act of aggression,” Shamkhani, who currently heads the Strategic and Defense Research Center for the Iranian Armed forces said.

He added that the exact geographic coordinates where the drone was downed, the special equipment used in it and the timing of the incident “all prove that the Americans did not miscalculate and this was a completely deliberate act.”

Shamkhani said after Iran downed the spy drone, Washington initially denied that it had been lost.

“Today, they are clearly asking Iran to return the spy plane and this means that the US must be held accountable for its actions,” he added.

On Sunday December 4, the Iranian Army's electronic warfare unit downed with minimum damage the US RQ-170 Sentinel stealth aircraft which was flying over the Iranian city of Kashmar, some 140 miles (225km) from the Afghan border.

Two days later, two US officials speaking on condition of anonymity, confirmed that the drone had been part of a CIA reconnaissance mission, involving the US intelligence community stationed in Afghanistan.

On Monday, December 12, US President Barack Obama said his administration has delivered a formal request to Iran for the return of the drone

Iran has filed a lawsuit with the UN calling on the international body for “clear and effective measures to be taken to put an end to these dangerous and unlawful acts in line with the United Nations' responsibilities.”

The RQ-170 is an unmanned stealth aircraft designed and developed by the Lockheed Martin Company.

Iran has announced that it intends to carry out reverse engineering on the aircraft, which is similar in design to a US Air Force B2 stealth bomber.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/218992.html

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Personally, I know how brilliant the Iranians (not their government) can be so I don't think they would even need any help from China.

[Rantaak]

David wilcock States it was intervened by an Extra Terrestrial Intelligence, in his latest video with Kerry Cassidy yesterday. He mentions this at the end of the interview.

This is cotangent with my beliefs as well, as I communed with a powerful weather spirit after hearing about the first report from Carmody and it told me that Orion was behind this.

We shall see what happens!

[toad]

More likely the U.S. must have deemed the technology expendable otherwise they would have found a way to destroy it after it was downed, and the newest technology is probably many generations ahead of what was in the drone. A loss for sure but one they can live with.

Either that, or they have allowed this to happen and built a back-door into the back-door software...

e.g. Iran takes it into a Top Secret Underground Base for Re-Engineering and 'KA-BOOM'..!

There were plans to destroy it, but Obama decided to ask for it back instead. :(

[Calz]

Joseph Farrell adds his 2 cents worth ...

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RT TV ON THE DRONE PROBLEM

January 1, 2012 By Joseph P. Farrell

-Once again, the folks at Russian Television, RT TV, have done the reporting and analysis on the Iran-Drone “shoot down” that See No News, See BS, and Faux News in this country are failing to do:

Debka: Whoever hacked the drone, hacked the CIA

From where I sit, the central paragraphs in this important article are these:

“Ongoing reports from RT have revealed that Iranian intelligence officer claimed in recent days that the recovery of America’s RQ-170 Sentinel stealth drone on December 4 was not due to an equipment malfunction, as US authorities say happened with another craft last days later, but rather the handiwork of Iranian engineers.

“As RT reported yesterday, overseas officials speaking on condition of anonymity say that they were able to crack the computers of the drone to hijack the craft and lead it to a safe landing after it caught the drone creeping over from a mission in Afghanistan. Now military sources speaking to Israel-based news outlet Debka insist that Iranian officials made their way into the drone commander centers at CIA headquarters outside of Washington in Langley, Virginia. Debka has close connections with the Israel intelligence community and in the past has been known for correctly reporting on issues of importance to the American intelligence community before US outlets.

“According to the report, US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta’s insisting to Fox News this week that the Pentagon will ‘absolutely‘ continue drone missions over Iran was a falsity, as those inside the DoD have actually suspended those stealth missions out of Afghanistan as American authorities fear that a second craft will be apprehended as well by Iran.

“Less than two weeks after Tehran intercepted the Sentinel, another US-manned drone crash-landed at an American base in the Indian Ocean island nation of Seychelles.”

Let’s look at the implications.

(1) If it is true that Iran hacked into the Sentinel’s operating system, then it seems to me that Iran would have had to have “help,” and here is where the possibilities become rather intriguing. Most obviously, at the head of the list, we would have to assume that Russia and/or China offered this ‘help’ in return for access to the drone and its technology, which we may be assured that Iran will only too willingly give them. But, as I mentioned on the Jeff Rense show on Dec. 28, it is possible that this help may have come from within the US military-industrial-intelligence complex itself, from a faction that may be disgusted with the war rhetoric and scenarios being advanced in some western political circles against that nation. In support of this, there are increasing internet rumors that officers of the US military are increasingly alarmed at the direction things are taking, and we already know of soldiers expressing dismay with the “war on terror.”

(2) The RT TV article also states that, in spite of Secretary Panetta’s assurances that drone missions would continue, RT is flatly contradicting the Secretary by maintaining that the missions have been suspended, presumably as the Pentagon and intelligence services of the USA track down the breach and render it inoperable. They follow this up by noting that another drone crashed at a US base in the Indian Ocean.

Now, put this into the context of those 69 Patriot missiles that were apprehended in Finland, ostensibly bound for China. We have, again, a technology transfer, the question is, who, and why? On Rense’s show, he mentioned the possibility of Israel as either the origin of this transfer, and I mentioned the possibility that it could be a cut-out. The why here is as important as the who, and again we are left, in my view, with two general possibilities: (a) the Powers That Be are trying to beef up the technological capabilities of China in an effort to create a new Cold War, or (b) the same rogue elements are deliberately giving technology to balance the playing field and upset the war timetable that seems to be in play.

If the latter, it wouldn’t be the first time that such rogue elements have acted on their own. Indeed, as I outlined in LBJ and the Conspiracy to Kill Kennedy, Francis Gary Powers’ U-2 flight over Sverdlovsk appears to have been deliberately sabotaged by a rogue element in an effort to sabotage the Eisenhower-Khrushchev summit, which, of course, was duly canceled by the incensed Soviet Premier.

My point is, the “bad guys” did it back then, but who’s to say there may not be a rogue element of “good guys”? That may be pie in the sky, but either way, if RT TV is correct about its statements concerning the Sentinel drone, and if this did not originate within that rogue element, then it means the American defense establishment is badly compromised, and no major military action could conceivably be contemplated with compromised systems.

http://gizadeathstar.com/2012/01/rt-tv-on-the-drone-problem/

[Calz]

Almost as hilarious as Obama's demand to Iran to return the downed drone to begin with ... :laugh:

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January 29, 2011 - An Iranian toy maker has responded to US requests to return a downed RQ-170 spy drone by sending President Obama a bright pink model of the plane. Report by Sam Datta-Paulin. Like itnnews on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/itn and follow itnnews on Twitter at http://twitter.com/itn

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Ghehehe, good one.