How do You Contact Your Higher Self?

[Dawn]

Laura Elina: I was wondering...where I could find information on how to basically... Connect with my higher self, and not just that, but... Lately I have attempted to do so and then some time ago I started wondering, if I am really connecting with my higher self at all, and today I was reading through a thread (DNA started it, the one on entities that like to take some of your energy at times) in which you actually addressed this issue and I thought to myself, "Hmm... Maybe Dawn has some ideas on this".

So, here I am

Now, the reason why I even started wondering, if I truly am connecting with my higher self (I have a way of going about this that I've used, I just... Kind of went with it and tried to use my "wits" on navigating through, but at the same time... I feel I am somewhat aware of not being very good at dodging the "astral bullet", I guess you could call it that, is because I have found myself having more 'insight' on things/concepts that I just didn't have any knowing on before, and I'm sure a lot of people would say that is a good thing, but... This insight I'm getting, how do I know it's not some... Trickster/prankster from another dimension telling me a bedtime story I want to believe in? As in, how do I know whose socket I truly plucked my cord in? Does that make any sense at all? What if it's not "my" socket and "my" energy grid, but... Someone else's, who is happy to throw all kinds of stuff at me.

I was hoping that... Perhaps you have thoughts on this? Or like I said, a thread in which this is discussed from the "truly connecting to your higher self"-point of view?

Laura sent me this question by PM and I asked her if I could start a thread about this, because I know the topic is a good one, and she agreed. When I am asked something these days, I usually try to speak from what I know, rather than from what I've heard someone else knows. That means I usually speak from my own experience, and if I don’t have any experience I usually point to someone else who might have direct knowledge. So I am going to give a stab at answering her question. However I know that there are many paths, and my answer might not be the one she resonates with so I invite you to share your own knowledge, and also to come up with questions. Sometimes questions can open a whole new way of seeing things that answers cannot. So... here goes.

I hope others will join here in answering this important question.

I’d like to start by telling on myself a bit here. I used to wonder how I would know if I was getting answers from my higher self, vs some mental pattern or entity answering my questions. I would ask a question internally, then wait for an answer. If that didn’t work, I’d ask a yes or no question and, again- wait. Sometimes I’d get answers, and if I acted on them, the results were usually dismal. Then I tried asking a question and muscle testing, that was also not a positive experience.

I finally realized that (for me) my higher self does not answer any of my questions with words. I know I am acting in concert with my higher self by observing what is happening around me. For example, when I am delayed repeatedly while going someplace, and that causes me to arrive just after an auto accident...then I suddenly have a strong urge to work with the earth tectonic plates. Or when I decide I’d love to go the the nearby hot springs, and there I meet someone amazing who needs a volunteer for a project that will work in with devic earth spirits to heal the environment.

I don’t ask questions of my higher self any more, in the conventional sense. If I would like to do something... I just do it. If it doesn't look like I am doing something that turns out well then I try to look at what I am being shown, or what I need to let go of. And when I doubt myself and my connection, I take time to sit down and meditate to clear the doubt (doubt is a form of fear). This being said, here are some techniques you can use to try to create enough inner clarity to experience times of flow and magic in your life.

Meditation: For many years I did not even know about the higher self. However through meditation I became directly connected. So that is the first part of my personal answer; meditation. Yet even though I spent many years with a close connection to what is often referred to as ‘the divine’, I also spent many later years working to clear my body and mind so that this connection could become clear on a permanent basis. What I realized is that I could only experience the subtle information of ‘the divine’, if all my bodies were aligned and free of conflicting energetic patterns.

The Work: Once you come in contact with your true self the real work begins. In order to remain clear enough to consciously perceive this contact, you will need to clear yourself of all the lower frequencies you are harboring, even unconscious ones. If you don’t do this you will not be able to remain in contact with your higher self and will get messages that are not clear. Here are some examples, along with some of the methods I used to get to where I am (and, by the way, I am not completely clear... I have more work to do)

Clearing Memories of Trauma: These need to be cleared and the only way is to face feeling them with great attention and compassion. I had lots of these (the PTB have made sure we all do) and I was terrified to work on them for many years. Trauma creates deep fear and terror, and you must eventually face all of that and let it go. In order to succeed in this you need to be very gentle with yourself. If you go too fast you can trigger the old patterns in such a way that your body is re-traumatized. I used Somatic Experiencing for much of this. There are other methods out there too.

Loose list of things that worked best for me: Meditation, Somatic Experiencing, the Sedona Method, Access Conscious (specifically their BARS sessions), Powerful healers (you will know you have one if they are in the love frequency and if they help you make permanent changes), spending lots of time in nature, sun gazing, theTemplate.org ceremonies, Rolfing sessions, Gyrotonics, Network Chiropractic, Yoga, Harbin Hot Springs retreats, Chi Nei Tsung, cranial sacral sessions, bodywork from someone who is clear, Ayurvedic hot sesame oil treatments and food/spices, lots and lots of silent meditation retreats.

OK... Avalonians, please add your personal knowledge about this topic here.

[Jenci]

Laura Elina: I was wondering...where I could find information on how to basically... Connect with my higher self, and not just that, but... Lately I have attempted to do so and then some time ago I started wondering, if I am really connecting with my higher self at all,


To Laura,

You don't need to connect to your higher self. You are already That.

Removing what is in the way, which prevents this realisation, is the way here. Lift the veil, so to speak.
Discarding the false self, will reveal the real self.

Take the question, "How do I connect with my higher self?" and then ask this question, "Who asks this question?"
Can you find the person asking the question?
Have a real good look.....and I mean a real good look.
Is this person asking the question real or does this person fade in the looking for her?
Be very honest here in your findings.
If you can't find an absolute sense of realness of the person asking the question, then discard the question - and just get a sense of what is left. This is the higher self.

Realisation of our Higher self is simplicity itself.
It is not anything mystical - unfortunately the illusionary self seeks the mystical
The more this is understood and can be seen, the more the Real will be revealed.

Jeanette

[TraineeHuman]

In my adolescence I discovered my (maybe I should say “the”) Higher Self through meditation.

Another way I would access it at that age was through the practice of creativity.

Both of these are very much to do with making yourself very, very empty. Also making yourself very, very simple. The removal business isn’t easy. I used to find creativity excruciating every time, but at the end of the process there would sometimes come spectacularly joy-filled insights. These were so off the charts pleasurable to experience, they made all the hard preparation work so worthwhile.

Creative work is all about solving problems, ultimately. It’s also about seeking out beauty, and not being willing to settle for anything less. When you do find profound beauty, somehow it always turns out to be true that beauty = truth. I hate to have to use the word “beauty” here, because the truly beautiful is so much richer and more profound than anything people usually imagine.

I do also greatly enjoy affection, warmth, love, true friendship. But the above two activities brought me an intensity of joy and pleasure and satisfaction that was so off the charts bigger and better than affection/love/etc, it’s very hard to find words to explain it.

Although it was I who would do the preliminary work to trigger such experiences and revelations, a deeper “I” – the Higher Self – would actually create them. And yet it still felt as if the “smaller” I had done it too.

Ultimately, of course, the two "I"s are one -- or, as Jenci was saying, there was only one "I" really there to begin with. But my experience was that it took quite some time to fully integrate the Higher Self with the littler me. Ultimately, you could say, very truly, that it's all about becoming an artist of life, in the long run.

[dim]

There can't be two of you, one must be unreal.

[modwiz]

I use Verizon.

[markpierre]

That was good advice from Jenci. Just stop relying on your self identity long enough to discover that you've never relied on it. That's your higher self. Who did you think it was taking over every time things got out of hand?

If you chronically make your decisions from fear, you complicate things a little. But then the lesson has to be 'don't worry, there's nothing to fear'.

[Rantaak]

Consult your pineal gland!

[Dawn]

Modwiz: I use Verizon.

Rantaak: Consult your pineal gland!

I just LOVE a good laugh! Thanks so much!

[Jenci]

There can't be two of you, one must be unreal.


This one sentence alone is enough.

Eckhart Tolle's spiritual awakening was spontaneous and it did not occur through techniques, practises or meditation. It was through a simple realisation of the sentence above posted by Dim.

He reached a point where he said "I can't live with myself any longer".
He noticed this statement contained two people. The "I" that couldn't live with "myself"
Only one was real. Which was he?

It's so, so simple that the mind cannot think this can be it. But it is.
Jeanette

[Limor Wolf]

Dawn,as always such a usefull information and sharing from you!
Giving an answer from your own individual experiences without 'decorating' it with some add-ins,is not an easy task,and I appreciate the intention that stands behind it.
Collecting all individuals experiences and personal insights which remain as 'pure' to oneself as possible,than we are able to grasp what is the common ground.


Originally posted by Dawn: "I finally realized that (for me) my higher self does not answer any of my questions with words. I know I am acting in concert with my higher self by observing what is happening around me. For example, when I am delayed repeatedly while going someplace, and that causes me to arrive just after an auto accident...then I suddenly have a strong urge to work with the earth tectonic plates. Or when I decide I’d love to go the the nearby hot springs, and there I meet someone amazing who needs a volunteer for a project that will work in with devic earth spirits to heal the environment."

I am also figuring it,that answers and guiding does not usually come (for me) via words,However,does it mean that its actually my 'higher self' and not a helping hand that is supplying with the answer/occasion? let me give you one example: I flew to London to see David Icke,when he started his speaking tour around the world.I am a travel agent and I arranged myself a sitting on the airplane from Larnaca,Cyprus to London.I got used to the various synchronicity's in my life up till than,and I had a strong feeling that something would happen in this trip as well. While checking in to board the flight,I have made sure with the check-in personnel that I indeed have a window seat.I was not looking at the boarding card.
While at the aircraft,I found out that my seat is completely defferent than the one I booked,and it was a middle seat.A tall greek impressive looking mature man has arrived right before the plain took off and sat to my left.The only thing I would say is that in the next five plus hours we were discussing everything from the NWO,their agenda and its tight grip on our world to the significant of consciousness.he had a first and second hand knowledge.as a head of the famagusta area in the cypriot police,working with the Interpol and having many connection in the inside.this person has expressed to me a couple of things that has given me a firm conviction (to my internet knowledge by than) that there is a well ordered agenda to enslave humans and to depopulate the world and its now advancing full force.This 'coincidental' meeting has added a personal value to my convictions of what is going on in the world.was that my higher self that arranged it for me? you gave some similar exmples of your own,are those synchronicities a result of our 'higer self'? .

If I put synchronization aside,and concentrate on getting answers from the inside,I have no way to explain it in words,but I do feel that I,myself can sometimes dtermined whether I get this from my 'knowing' higher soul that have the answers and when it is coming from an outside source.of course,there is a good chance that I am wrong!

About using some techniques to connect with my Higher self,I wrote this to another Avalonian in a PM:

"One more thing that I feel is that ,sometimes techniques and 'user guides' on how to do things,weather its maditation or invoking a kundalini experience etc. is not right for me,as it delimits from having an individuall expression of myself .. and it puts 'instructions' where there need to be a 'free flow'.I dont know if I say it correct,I hope you can see what I mean by it. maybe specific guiding can be beneficial to some of us,and to others its not so much."

But I agree that what you provided here Dawn are some very beneficial tools to 'sharpen' our inner listening.
The work and the clearing are necessary for us to have an effective 'communication line' with our complete selves and with the divine universe.

Many thanks for your sharing and explanation once again!

~*&^~*&

Limor

mod edit: noticed a spelling error in my own post which was quoted.... bugged me too much to leave alone so I edited it... Dawn

[Eagle]

To me, when we remove the blankets of, anger, self pity, remorse, guilt, lust, self rightousness, fear, and Jealousy(just to name a few) what do you have left? Unconditional Love your true self which has always been there but has been buried behind layers of taught and programmed responses.

[Valley]

To me, the "channel" to the highest aspects of self is always open. There is a reason for everything that we experience throughout the day, and that reason is to give us another opportunity to rise above any thought which could hold us back and to continually allow ourselves to be a more clear lens for observation, which naturally leads to the more beneficial courses of action. So I would suggest a very helpful exercise to practice would be to continually ask yourself how each experience is contributing in some way to a better understanding of some part of yourself so that you naturally keep taking the "high road"... and then to act in the moment on these realizations. The idea being to be "fresh" in every moment... meaning not acting or thinking that old ideas or even new ones have the "answers", and instead to realize that you are always recreating yourself in every moment by how you choose to interact with life.

Additionally, to become more deeply aware of the different feelings which take place in your body from moment to moment... this can be one of the best guides for finding out the deeper meaning of an experience you're having. The more positive and fulfilled and magical you feel inside, the more connected you will be to your highest aspects of self because positive energy is the key to unlock and unblock the fabrications of the mind, which then allows you to open the "floodgates" to Love.
:car:

[Unified Serenity]

Fabulous thread Dawn. You know what immediately came to my mind was Skype! Yes, I know hysterical huh? But, let me explain. Oh, warning everything I write is my opinion based on my life's experiences, research, and any snarky, challenging, uplifting thing should be attributed to me and not some nebulous other out there. I make no claim to be all knowing, but I do stand by what I say... ok obligatory announcement out of the way:

For me, we are all individual creators linked by some mysterious oneness that all energy comes from, and yet we are distinct striving deeply through spiritual awareness to fully know true oneness. Is it that sense of cosmic consciousness some of us tap into and call our higher self? I know I have another body besides the clay one. She talks to me all the time, and sometimes won't shut up. But sometimes, in confusion we wonder "Hey, where did you go, I need some direction" and we look to others and religion and such out of respect and need. This is where community is so important. In the old days, people did not need to go to a therapist. They went to their back fence and talked with a trusted friend. Soft smile

I am not the most trusting person (Duh), and recently I allowed someone on skype to help me. Sometimes we need someone outside of us whom we feel is acting selflessly in our best interest to shine a mirror for us. To look at us and well in my case be able to see well in spirit. In those moments of connection I have had the most direct contact with my higher self, and it's not words, it's energy. It's a knowing, a feeling, and it is the most beautiful experience when shared in a loving environment. So, for me, I contact my higher self when I am centered, when I am real, and when I have no agenda but to be.

Much love,

Serenity

[Laura Elina]

Thank you to everyone for responding, and Dawn, for starting this thread :) I appreciate the sharing of insight you guys have.

It's really nice reading about everyone's experiences and I feel a sense of relief, this is something that has weighed heavy on me for a little while now.

I truly have *just* started my so called journey, I had my awakening/realization of having this *spark* within about ten years ago, but I never pursued this, it was a knowing and that was enough, and all was well for ten years, I had some experiences that a lot of people have and when I did... I said to myself, woah, I guess I had my finger on it and I'm not just crazy for "believing", and more like, knowing.

Then this year I felt I had to start working on my realization, so I decided I wanted to make the connection with my higher self stronger (there is another thread that was started today I believe, in which everyone gets to define the higher self, which is really cool as well), and there and then I decided that... I truly want the connection established (if I were to succeed in making it stronger) to be between myself and my true self... Or higher self, which I find tricky now. And here's the confession part, lol.

So I started meditation, which I had never done before, as in ... Sit and quiet down. I didn't use any techniques etc... As in breathe this way and imagine this, I just went with it, I tried to feel myself (navigate) through the process, I just tried not to think, and maybe... Become more aware of feelings and sensations?

I didn't want any out of body experiences, remote viewing, astral travel on a conscious level, or messages from beings in other worlds etc... Since it's a tricky business and nothing to be messed with or taken lightly, and I certainly don't have the experience to navigate my way through in that minefield. I told a close family member I am finding time to meditate, and they were like... Okay, be careful, you know you can get yourself killed like that, right? And I was like... Don't worry, I am being careful.

Well the meditation went really well I felt, and I got a sense of knowing, when I was being tapped on my shoulder in a subtle way, as in I knew how to look at different situations I was in now (daily life), nothing too major, just getting a little better at being aware of why I was thinking and feeling certain things and then... Having a sense of, wow, this is really nice, like a little kid taking their first steps.

Then I feel like I made a mistake in when I started talking to my higher self some months ago, I talked inside my head and then I caught myself talking inside my head saying all kinds of things, and I just... I said, oh no.

And this is why I PM'd Dawn, I think I may have been connecting to something else, because all of a sudden I was getting what I think is downloads of "information", symbols, images... Even words, I would close my eyes at night before going to bed and I think I experienced something like remote viewing? I saw places I had never seen before, at first vague outlines of spaces, then even in color, I was shocked, I saw faces too. It was like watching movies inside your head. On two occasions there was clear sentences being said to me, and that's something, which made me feel a little crazy. That's just a couple of examples. I mean, it's entertainment I guess, before bedtime etc... But whose behind the entertainment is what I am a little concerned about.

And I'm sure a lot of people have experienced this here on Avalon and it's very common for them, I know, because I read a lot of posts here. And they may be thinking..."What an amateur" of me, and that's alright, but it's not common for me, and I feel like.. In a way I got a nosebleed, because I asked for it. But I didn't even catch myself making connections to possible places, where I have no place to be making "acquaintances" in.

Agreements and contracts that I may have made, now how am I supposed to wiggle out of those, suppose I can't if I have? I find myself wondering.. Did I just mess up royally, why the heck did I go and ruin a good thing, I fixed it until it was broke.

I haven't meditated in a while, I suppose... The last time, when I wanted to just *feel* it and establish a connection to my higher self, I realized this is for real and you can do real damage, if you have no idea what you're doing. And I haven't even tried to get any experiences, that was not my purpose and intent.

For the ten years, when all was well, I always told myself that... Walk unafraid, and I did, it's so funny that... My good intentions and trying to work on something that may have already been working just fine, is now something I am apprehensive of, I don't feel like meditating much these days, because I feel like... Well I'm gonna be walking into another mine and who knows what that's gonna do, any one got advice on backtracking your steps? Lol. Well, live and learn. Hindsight is the best sight.

Anyway :) There is my rant, and again, I appreciate the time everyone took/is taking to reply to this thread. I hope you guys will continue to do so.

[Star1111]

Its already YOU.
YOU are IT and IT is YOU and YOU and IT is part of the Divine

Ask and you will receive.
LOVE, LOVE always LOVE.....................

[Jenci]

Thank you to everyone for responding, and Dawn, for starting this thread :) I appreciate the sharing of insight you guys have.

It's really nice reading about everyone's experiences and I feel a sense of relief, this is something that has weighed heavy on me for a little while now.

I truly have *just* started my so called journey, I had my awakening/realization of having this *spark* within about ten years ago, but I never pursued this, it was a knowing and that was enough, and all was well for ten years, I had some experiences that a lot of people have and when I did... I said to myself, woah, I guess I had my finger on it and I'm not just crazy for "believing", and more like, knowing.

Then this year I felt I had to start working on my realization, so I decided I wanted to make the connection with my higher self stronger (there is another thread that was started today I believe, in which everyone gets to define the higher self, which is really cool as well), and there and then I decided that... I truly want the connection established (if I were to succeed in making it stronger) to be between myself and my true self... Or higher self, which I find tricky now. And here's the confession part, lol.

So I started meditation, which I had never done before, as in ... Sit and quiet down. I didn't use any techniques etc... As in breathe this way and imagine this, I just went with it, I tried to feel myself (navigate) through the process, I just tried not to think, and maybe... Become more aware of feelings and sensations?

I didn't want any out of body experiences, remote viewing, astral travel on a conscious level, or messages from beings in other worlds etc... Since it's a tricky business and nothing to be messed with or taken lightly, and I certainly don't have the experience to navigate my way through in that minefield. I told a close family member I am finding time to meditate, and they were like... Okay, be careful, you know you can get yourself killed like that, right? And I was like... Don't worry, I am being careful.

Well the meditation went really well I felt, and I got a sense of knowing, when I was being tapped on my shoulder in a subtle way, as in I knew how to look at different situations I was in now (daily life), nothing too major, just getting a little better at being aware of why I was thinking and feeling certain things and then... Having a sense of, wow, this is really nice, like a little kid taking their first steps.

Then I feel like I made a mistake in when I started talking to my higher self some months ago, I talked inside my head and then I caught myself talking inside my head saying all kinds of things, and I just... I said, oh no.

And this is why I PM'd Dawn, I think I may have been connecting to something else, because all of a sudden I was getting what I think is downloads of "information", symbols, images... Even words, I would close my eyes at night before going to bed and I think I experienced something like remote viewing? I saw places I had never seen before, at first vague outlines of spaces, then even in color, I was shocked, I saw faces too. It was like watching movies inside your head. On two occasions there was clear sentences being said to me, and that's something, which made me feel a little crazy. That's just a couple of examples. I mean, it's entertainment I guess, before bedtime etc... But whose behind the entertainment is what I am a little concerned about.

And I'm sure a lot of people have experienced this here on Avalon and it's very common for them, I know, because I read a lot of posts here. And they may be thinking..."What an amateur" of me, and that's alright, but it's not common for me, and I feel like.. In a way I got a nosebleed, because I asked for it. But I didn't even catch myself making connections to possible places, where I have no place to be making "acquaintances" in.

Agreements and contracts that I may have made, now how am I supposed to wiggle out of those, suppose I can't if I have? I find myself wondering.. Did I just mess up royally, why the heck did I go and ruin a good thing, I fixed it until it was broke.

I haven't meditated in a while, I suppose... The last time, when I wanted to just *feel* it and establish a connection to my higher self, I realized this is for real and you can do real damage, if you have no idea what you're doing. And I haven't even tried to get any experiences, that was not my purpose and intent.

For the ten years, when all was well, I always told myself that... Walk unafraid, and I did, it's so funny that... My good intentions and trying to work on something that may have already been working just fine, is now something I am apprehensive of, I don't feel like meditating much these days, because I feel like... Well I'm gonna be walking into another mine and who knows what that's gonna do, any one got advice on backtracking your steps? Lol. Well, live and learn. Hindsight is the best sight.

Anyway :) There is my rant, and again, I appreciate the time everyone took/is taking to reply to this thread. I hope you guys will continue to do so.


Hi Laura,

You seem to have feelings that are bubbling up to the surface here. This is all part of the awakening process.

Take heart, you are on the right track.

The mind is trying to draw conclusions here as to what is going on and this is taking you away from your higher self. It's best to leave these mind conclusions alone if you can and allow the process of all the feelings bubbling up to carry on.
Just allow everything to Be, exactly as it is.
But be aware of how the mind is trying to distract you, but don't pay attention to its thoughts.

I've explained here in this post about meditation, how to allow everything to be as it is. It may be of use to you here.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36077-What-is-Meditation

Jeanette

[9eagle9]

Cleaning out the inner landscape is number one.

One goes from 'thinking' to knowing.

Me personally I gave up everything that was externally sourced. Gave up the angels, the spirit guides, gurus', and other 'authority' figures--anything external-- and started giving my higher expression more opportunity to actually express itself because there's not a host of input standing around that is meant to guide, instead of direct. Instead of listening to external messages from external entities, once the fear mechanisms were gone, my higher self just began expressing itself.

The mechanism attached to this is ...self authority. When my thinking mind wants to start running the show, I back off any decision it is trying to make and give it up to my higher intellgience, my awareness , not my consciousness. My consciousness is not aware of everything like that better part of me. My consciousness sees only what is from past expreience or what is right in front of me. This gives us a better understanding of being in the present.

If one does a lot of astral or has a lot of out of body experiences one learns the difference between awareness and consciouness. Source or higher intellgience is very aware, and mind based manifesation is very conscious. In a weird way we become SELF conscious. Suddenly we are conscious of our authentic SELF expressing. We become self centered or rather Source centered. Self centered doesn't sound very nice but being there is splendid.

If we still have fears about confronting Source we are going to shy from how Source expresses itself through us--higher self. SELF Authority. So instead of confronting Source directly we tend to rely on something that is sorta close to source, or 'say' its closer to source than we are. It's not-- we can't get any closer to source than we already are if we have source sourced expression. You know external things like guides, angels things of that nature instead of directly aligning with Source. It's safe to go where Source is being expressed externally but direct alignment.....that fear that has lived in the human psyche for so many lifetimes of 'being judged by Source'. Because our authorities (gods) in this life time were judging us!

To all of us as young children our parents, our authority figures were akin to God . If our parents were not serving us very well and being responsible with godhood we tend to cring uncounsciously from the ultimate authority.

This happens because we've had some put down or abuse from early physical authority figures--in this lifetime and in others.. Some one else or something external of us was the authority.

Source has no authority over us really. It has given us free will so when I look at it from that space, I find myself wondering what was I ever afraid of? You can really not give up your authority to Source you can only be willing to allow Source to start helping you with all levels of your existence including this one. When you do this you don't have to think anymore. You don't have to read about chakras, or unified fields or have a thinking understanding of anything because you know it. You have the experience of it. And you will just express that experience often times without being conscious of it.


Many of us were raised in households where we didn't have the freedom to say no to our authority figures or make decisions based on anything other than what our authority figures, our parents said. Or had to succumb to their authority --Parent's were always right (we now know they weren't) the person in charge is always more correct, more intellgient, more knowing--anybody but ourselves! Many of us were taught it was 'bad' or 'wrong' to refuse authority. Then we are unleashed into a world where we have no self authority. We are taught not to trust our own internal self 'something' else always has 'authority' over us.

How the world the world was taken from us.

It is really claiming your self authority without fear of anything external. You are no longer told, you are shown. You know the diffrence between accessing a situation and judging it. You don't have to worry about yourself being judged or you yourself judging others.

Because the higher self is me and not a seperate entity, I simply give it something to do. It is me , and being my own experience, how would I differentiate it from me but ....that is what we keep expecting. Another voice that sounds different? how could it? It's me! I'm always going to sound like me because it IS ME.

Still we seek something that validates itself through sounding separate of us. Something separate instead of our awareness that can finally express itself clearly and without fear through our consciouness once we've cleaned up some of the dense mechanisms in there that didn't allow us to KNOW that was our higher awareness coming in. It sounds like me because it is me. That is simply managing to express ourselves I don't need it to speak to me, or instruct me , spell things out for me, or give me foreknowledege or otherwise emphasize that it is seperate from me. It can't because it's not. It just expresses itself. It expresses itself in a sort of intellgience that my previous or current life experiences cannot account for.

So I rather akin this to throwing a ball over a tall brick wall. I know I'm there, so when confronted with some snarly predicament my mind is just going to churn in circles with I toss it over the fence and say, My Higher Intellgience is going to deal with this because my lower mind has its panties in a wad right now.

So this is demonstrated in daily life. My daughter whom I taught about the parking lot angels that clear traffic jams, finds a parking slot, starts the car when the battery is dead, and rolls up the balky window that is sort of off track and undependable ....You know ...the parking lot angels. .My daugher came to the realization that there was no parking angel, that it was me doing that. First though I came to the awareness that it WAS ME doing that. It first started when the window would go up by itself without me thinking about it. And the tired battery began to crank things over because ...I stopped thinking about it . I ultimately fook things up by thinking about them. When I'm not thinking and allowing, I don't have to worry about whether my thoughts are positive or negative or deny them, or alter them. They just don't interfer anymore. Nor do I have to depend on correct thinking to manifest things.

And that is how I get people to know how their higher self is expressing, all these external things that they claim are being done on their behalf by angels, guides and helpers.......it's really them doing it. They don't believe me though because....they are still afraid to confront themselves and want to grant credit to something external of themselves as a cause of good things...and bad things.

Higher intelligience.

Or as I'm OFTEN accused of "You THINK you're smarter than everyone else." I get accused of that a lot . I get accused of thinking I'm superior . Well I've allowed a higher or superior part of myself to express but its not thinking that its, just expressing. Its not thnking at all. The people observing it are thinking that...lol.

I'm not THINKING though. How would I think I was smarter if I'm not thinking.

The higher self just does, it just knows. It doesn't say "I think" it just expresses what it knows. If the higher self knowing sounds more intellgient than what other people are thinking ...isn't that the entire point. Are we chasing our higher self so it can sound as ignorant and undependable as our lower minds? Why bother then?

When I am often 'thinking' that I have no choices, and feeling that trapped mechanism, I bring myself back to present and KNOW the higher self is expressing. There is no choice to be made, no decision , it's all been done for me . Behind the scene as it were, in unconsciousness. When one starts operating that way there is nothing to doubt . tThe higher self is always being expressed and the only thing is we are not aware of how its expressing or even when, because so many judgements have been placed on us. Judgements are placed on higher self expression, these expectations that it should think and sound a certain way.

The higher intellgience seldom ever puts any emotional attachments on what it is expressing because it KNOWs people are trip triggered by it .It shows us how to be more responsible with each other and the psyche.And it will express things that wounded people don't want to hear so one has to be prepared for that if they really want their higher self to navigate their physical experience.

People who start making a concerted effort to go into this inner space often tell me that things get boring , things stop happening. The drama of life goes away because you see that much of what was happening was created in the mind in the thought process. Our discomfort the things 'happening to us' were really external. In a weird way one becomes more absent or seemingly not in the present but its because they are no longer investing in what isn't real for them. They have become their own reality and anything that is external isn't being invested in. They appear detached an unemotional because they aren't reacting as if it is occuring to them.

It's always expressing in the present so whatever is going on in the present I probably was not aware of five minutes before. Foreknowledge is based in projecting into the future. Our inner landscape wounds that affect how freely higher expression is going to flow is in the past. Being in the present is one way of allowing this expression but one has to wipe those wounds that prevent us from allowing it from fear. Have you ever known something and it proves to be true and you didn't speak up because you were afraid you sounded silly, or that others would be offended or hurt, or you were afraid you might be wrong. That is wounded consciouness that prevented that authentic expression.

A lot of detachment from the physical, mental and material realms is necessary . To truly know one has to detach from what other's are thinking. One is a lower mind mechanism and one is higher expression.

One literally becomes more intelligient, because that is one's higher intellgience, authentic intelligience, expressing itself. One, one is no longer afraid to express. So one sounds more intellgient than when they were not expressing anything at all because they were afraid too.....lol.

Intuitive living-- one doesn't need to depend on mechanisms that often fail like psychic ability. Things just occur or happen, one is always in the right place at the right time without any foreknowledge.

My lower mind which serves to help me function in a physical world is okay. II'm not going to judge it , if I want a physical experience it is going ot be neccessary to let it decide when to put my shoes on or take them off. It can tell me when it's time to make dinner or fill up the gas tank. But when I ignore it and i'm in the middle of the night and the tank is on empty and there's not open gas station ....that is when I push the mind out of the way and let the higher expression start calling the shots. Has it ever failed me. Never. It's never wrong. I've questioned it sometimes, like what the hell are you doing???!!! It knew what to do regardless of what I thought . It knows to do things that I THINK are hair brained as hell at the moment they are occuring but that is because my knowing is so much more brighter, has so much more vision than my thinking.

I'd love to say that this makes everything ducky. But the higher expressiion is very honest, and it doesn't shy away from examining mechanisms that the mind will try to deny or ignore. It will look at them because it has no fear of those sorts of things. And it will express authentically what it sees occuring. Now if you are one of those people who go into this space and live there, those who are not are going to be conflicted about you. But that's their conflict. The higher intellgience when you are really really in that space has no qualms. Because its not affected and therefore you aren't either.

It's how we see the mechanism of being awake being expressed as conflict. If conflict is present then awareness or being awake probably isn't present. Or being expressed rather. Get a thousand people together who are not awake and mix them in with people who have half an eye cracked open and you will have conflict. Right? We know this.

When you get into your true space conflict still occurs but, its external of you. It's not happening to you , you are observing it. And when conflict stops occuring things may seem dull for awhile. It didn't go away it just stopped happenign to us and our minds are so accustomed to having something to do, to react to that when it stops happening to us.....it seems quiet. Or should I say , peaceful.

[Calz]

I use Verizon.

I prefer to show 'em just who's boss ...


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uh ... that would be me "beneath" my "higher self" ...

[Rantaak]

I just LOVE a good laugh! Thanks so much!

If you laughed, then you did it.

Speculative esoteric metaphysical philosophical quantification:
Laughter is the physiological reaction to a recursive mode of perception, when the animating spirit looks upwards and sees the higher self, and the higher self looks down and sees the animating spirit.

It is when the mind encapsulates a sentiment of ineffable truth. Like when you look at a photograph of your father when he was a teenager. You laugh because it is true.

[VaughnB]

Laura Elina: I was wondering...where I could find information on how to basically... Connect with my higher self, and not just that, but... Lately I have attempted to do so and then some time ago I started wondering, if I am really connecting with my higher self at all,


To Laura,

You don't need to connect to your higher self. You are already That.

Removing what is in the way, which prevents this realisation, is the way here. Lift the veil, so to speak.
Discarding the false self, will reveal the real self.

Take the question, "How do I connect with my higher self?" and then ask this question, "Who asks this question?"
Can you find the person asking the question?
Have a real good look.....and I mean a real good look.
Is this person asking the question real or does this person fade in the looking for her?
Be very honest here in your findings.
If you can't find an absolute sense of realness of the person asking the question, then discard the question - and just get a sense of what is left. This is the higher self.

Realisation of our Higher self is simplicity itself.
It is not anything mystical - unfortunately the illusionary self seeks the mystical
The more this is understood and can be seen, the more the Real will be revealed.

Jeanette
It's really weird Jeanette, your responses seem to always coincide perfectly with my mindset, I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent, but it does make me feel that I'm not totally in left field. lol

I've never really had any cause, need or desire to somehow connect with my higher self, a guide, angel, not that they aren't there. In fact, in these last few years I've had a lot of serendipity, or things happening when they need to happen. Let it BE. It's been kinda reassuring.

I do have a wooden pendulum I've used like once or twice, mostly just for fun. it is uncanny how accurate it is, but I really don't find I need such a tool.

I guess if people really FEEL a need then they definitely should go down that road, how often do we travel to worlds end only to find the answer was in our own backyard. But I imagine all of this is a process, a journey, an experience otherwise we could just sit meditating 24/7.

Wishing you the very best of holidays, hope you're feeling better.

[Dawn]

Hi LauraElin,
I'm so glad you visited this thread, and I really hope you do again. Your questions are for everyone who wonders about this. And in many ways this THE question of all questions, "Who Am I"? I'd like to address some of your concerns, please let us Avalonians know if this answer is helpful, and if lots more questions come up.


LauraElin: Agreements and contracts that I may have made, now how am I supposed to wiggle out of those, suppose I can't if I have? I find myself wondering.. Did I just mess up royally, why the heck did I go and ruin a good thing, I fixed it until it was broke.

Great question!!! A lot of agreements that we operate under we just accepted because there didn't seem to be another choice. I also have had experiences leading me to believe that I made vows for all time, in other lives, which are not pertinent to this one. Yet I am still operating under these. I have backed out of hundreds, if not thousands, of these types of agreements when I realized they were a limitation. Here's how I did it (very simple, by the way)

Just look at something where you seem to be unable to make choices, other than a narrow path. An example would be marriage. How many of us have, at some time or other, vowed to love and remain true to someone for all eternity? Well, what if they are not here in this reality right now? Or what if they are, and the vow you made is not appropriate any longer? Then you can just undo the energetic knots you created. You were the creator, you can un-create what you did... no problem. Just use the language below and fill in the blanks with what ever you would like to undo.

"All the oaths, vows, fealtys, comealty, committments, contracts, and agreements I have ever made about ____________, I hereby revoke, recant, recind, renounce, denounce, uncreate and destroy NOW!"

When I do this I sometimes use it as a mantra a number of times, because I can feel the energy untangling. It's fun, try it!


LauraElin: I haven't meditated in a while, I suppose... The last time, when I wanted to just *feel* it and establish a connection to my higher self, I realized this is for real and you can do real damage, if you have no idea what you're doing. And I haven't even tried to get any experiences, that was not my purpose and intent.

Laura, there is no way you can damage your higher self, and if you are seeking a connection then that is for the very best of intentions. Your True Self is so loving, so massively huge, and so tenderly waiting for your mind to relax so that it can have direct contact with you always. Nothing that you can DO will harm it in any way. The fear that you are experiencing is in your mind. Somewhere along the road someone programmed you became afraid of this beautiful connection. Relax.

I'm glad you haven't 'tried to get any experiences'. That is great, and most people don't have that wisdom. Trying on purpose to have an experience rarely works out in a good way. However, as you meditate, you will experience lots of things. That is the point of meditation... to slow down long enough so that you can experience what has been going on all along within you. When we are distracted by life that we're too busy to notice.

It is very common in a meditation to experience crying, fear, shaking, a mind that is racing, and other things like this. You may also hear, see, or feel many other things. These are happening to you all the time in daily life. But with all the busy-ness in life most don't notice. Noticing these, and allowing them to be there, is what sets you free of them. They are all energy in various forms, and will begin to align and calm, when you give yourself the time to be the calm allowing that is meditation.


LauraElin: For the ten years, when all was well, I always told myself that... Walk unafraid, and I did, it's so funny that... My good intentions and trying to work on something that may have already been working just fine, is now something I am apprehensive of, I don't feel like meditating much these days, because I feel like... Well I'm gonna be walking into another mine and who knows what that's gonna do, any one got advice on backtracking your steps? Lol. Well, live and learn. Hindsight is the best sight.

You did a wonderful job of facing yourself. Perhaps with this thread that was really created just for you and your questions, you will be willing to meditate again.

In zen, meditation is called 'just sitting' and that is what Zen monks do... just sit. In this type of meditation you just notice what is. If you decide to try this allow yourself 20 minutes at a time.

In AdvitaVendanta meditation is done from any position (not just sitting) and Jenci has done a really good description of this type of meditation here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...-is-Meditation

In yoga, you do a session involving movement for about 45 minutes to an hour and then you meditate, usually lying down, with your arms in an A or a T position. This would be fun for you because the chi channels of the body are open and flowing before you do the meditation, which leads to a delightful, expansive, and easy experience.

In Access Consciousness there is a simple type of body work called 'BARS' which opens all the meridians and allows the energy in the mind to flow without blockages. You will need to take a class or pay for a session, however it might be worth if because you can have such an expanded and clear sense of Who and What you Truly Are.

No one truly knows 'Who they Are', although many have tried to describe the experience of direct knowing they have. My Zen master used to say, "It is like asking the eye to turn and see itself. Not Possible". In the end the Higher Self is experienced as an expansive flow without boundaries, age or description. Perhaps more like a verb, than a noun, so that it will not hold still for descriptions.

Your search is more worth it than you know. It is the hero's journey that is spoken of in the parables, legends, and myths. And it is always spoken of in riddles, because no one can find this for you, you are the one that must make the journey.

You haven't let fear and self judgment stop you from continuing, the proof is in your questions that opened this thread.

[nomadguy]

I have always felt the closest to my higher self, when I am most quietened.
Not fidgety, mind not wandering, my body is not needy. And in that moment...

[HORIZONS]

One must first learn to really listen - to the spiritual force within you - this is the beginning stage in my experience.

[Dawn]

Horizons: One must first learn to really listen - to the spiritual force within you - this is the beginning stage in my experience.

Please say more Horizons, How do you listen? Many people think they are supposed to hear an inner voice? How do YOU listen?

[meeradas]

I... don't.

[Anchor]

When I hear the voice of my higher self, it very often sounds exactly how I think my own voice sounds - except it is not me speaking.

I can ask it questions, and if it answers the answer comes so fast and instantly that you sometimes need to ask again because you forgot to catch it the first time around.

In rare cases the voice comes unbidden, with some inspiration to consider or act on.

Other-times it can interject when I am writing posts on forums like this one ;)

[Jenci]

Laura Elina: I was wondering...where I could find information on how to basically... Connect with my higher self, and not just that, but... Lately I have attempted to do so and then some time ago I started wondering, if I am really connecting with my higher self at all,


To Laura,

You don't need to connect to your higher self. You are already That.

Removing what is in the way, which prevents this realisation, is the way here. Lift the veil, so to speak.
Discarding the false self, will reveal the real self.

Take the question, "How do I connect with my higher self?" and then ask this question, "Who asks this question?"
Can you find the person asking the question?
Have a real good look.....and I mean a real good look.
Is this person asking the question real or does this person fade in the looking for her?
Be very honest here in your findings.
If you can't find an absolute sense of realness of the person asking the question, then discard the question - and just get a sense of what is left. This is the higher self.

Realisation of our Higher self is simplicity itself.
It is not anything mystical - unfortunately the illusionary self seeks the mystical
The more this is understood and can be seen, the more the Real will be revealed.

Jeanette
It's really weird Jeanette, your responses seem to always coincide perfectly with my mindset, I don't know if that's good, bad or indifferent, but it does make me feel that I'm not totally in left field. lol

I've never really had any cause, need or desire to somehow connect with my higher self, a guide, angel, not that they aren't there. In fact, in these last few years I've had a lot of serendipity, or things happening when they need to happen. Let it BE. It's been kinda reassuring.

I do have a wooden pendulum I've used like once or twice, mostly just for fun. it is uncanny how accurate it is, but I really don't find I need such a tool.

I guess if people really FEEL a need then they definitely should go down that road, how often do we travel to worlds end only to find the answer was in our own backyard. But I imagine all of this is a process, a journey, an experience otherwise we could just sit meditating 24/7.

Wishing you the very best of holidays, hope you're feeling better.

Thank you, Vaughn. You too.
Jeanette

[Jenci]

Horizons: One must first learn to really listen - to the spiritual force within you - this is the beginning stage in my experience.

Please say more Horizons, How do you listen? Many people think they are supposed to hear an inner voice? How do YOU listen?

This is a good question, Dawn and not easy to answer but I will give it a go.

I have heard a voice in the past but it is not like a voice, which makes no sense, I know. These days it is more like a movement.
My Awareness of what I am (the higher self) is space and I am not limited to my body.
You could say that my experience is out of body all the time.

When I listen to my lower self (egoic/mind identity) immediately that sense of space will contract and I move back into the body of Jeanette.
As time has gone on this contraction has become more and more painful. It's like being in a straight jacket and I have learned through this uncomfortable contraction not to spend too much time being identified with Jeanette and her story.

When Awareness shifts back to the higher self, immediately the contraction is released, my body opens up and relaxes and I am back to breathing freely in the space all around my body, rather than in the body.

On learning to listen to the voice of the higher self, very often it will be telling me to do things I wouldn't choose to do or expect and many times it will guide me towards being vulnerable.
The mind/lower self doesn't believe that being vulnerable is the right thing to do and it will try hard to resist the higher self.

The higher self is the Truth. It doesn't need to assert itself over the noise of the mind. The higher self, most times will answer immediately, it's never indecisive.... and it can be easily missed.

For example :-
I ask myself - Should I get involved in this situation?
The answer - ** Well, if I do, this could happen and if I don't that could happen, so really I should..........

The higher self answered in the space between the question and the answer indicated by the **.
It doesn't need to assert itself because it already is the Truth, it's not indecisive and most often it is the one response that the lower self doesn't want to consider.

Learning to listen to this when it is everything you don't want to do, takes sincerity and dedication but once this Truth starts to move, it really starts to move and it becomes natural.


Sometimes the higher self does not have a voice because there is nothing to say, there is no answer needed, there is nothing to do.
This can take time to learn to tune into, because the lower self (the mind) needs resolution and a plan to act on.

Learning to just rest in the realm of "I don't know" also becomes more natural and when the higher self says it is time to act, you just know not only because it becomes very obvious, but you get to the point where you cannot not do it.

Jeanette

[HORIZONS]

Horizons: One must first learn to really listen - to the spiritual force within you - this is the beginning stage in my experience.

Please say more Horizons, How do you listen? Many people think they are supposed to hear an inner voice? How do YOU listen?

This is a good question, Dawn and not easy to answer but I will give it a go.

I have heard a voice in the past but it is not like a voice, which makes no sense, I know. These days it is more like a movement.
My Awareness of what I am (the higher self) is space and I am not limited to my body.
You could say that my experience is out of body all the time.

When I listen to my lower self (egoic/mind identity) immediately that sense of space will contract and I move back into the body of Jeanette.
As time has gone on this contraction has become more and more painful. It's like being in a straight jacket and I have learned through this uncomfortable contraction not to spend too much time being identified with Jeanette and her story.

When Awareness shifts back to the higher self, immediately the contraction is released, my body opens up and relaxes and I am back to breathing freely in the space all around my body, rather than in the body.

On learning to listen to the voice of the higher self, very often it will be telling me to do things I wouldn't choose to do or expect and many times it will guide me towards being vulnerable.
The mind/lower self doesn't believe that being vulnerable is the right thing to do and it will try hard to resist the higher self.

The higher self is the Truth. It doesn't need to assert itself over the noise of the mind. The higher self, most times will answer immediately, it's never indecisive.... and it can be easily missed.

For example :-
I ask myself - Should I get involved in this situation?
The answer - ** Well, if I do, this could happen and if I don't that could happen, so really I should..........

The higher self answered in the space between the question and the answer indicated by the **.
It doesn't need to assert itself because it already is the Truth, it's not indecisive and most often it is the one response that the lower self doesn't want to consider.

Learning to listen to this when it is everything you don't want to do, takes sincerity and dedication but once this Truth starts to move, it really starts to move and it becomes natural.


Sometimes the higher self does not have a voice because there is nothing to say, there is no answer needed, there is nothing to do.
This can take time to learn to tune into, because the lower self (the mind) needs resolution and a plan to act on.

Learning to just rest in the realm of "I don't know" also becomes more natural and when the higher self says it is time to act, you just know not only because it becomes very obvious, but you get to the point where you cannot not do it.

Jeanette

This is very well said - I very much relate to it. I would also add that you must "practice the presence" so to speak - trial and error come into play, and after a while you learn to discern your HS from your ego and the myriad of thoughts inside your head - there is a learning curve involved but like Jeanette states this all "takes sincerity and dedication" and of corse patience. The processes are many and anything that helps you to sit in stillness is good. If you ever get to the point beyond words and thoughts you have arrived at an altitude of communion with your HS - and this in turn really is YOU - who you are in spirit. You also have to be willing to leave the dramas of this world behind you, as they are not as important as your mind thinks they are. Meditation in all its forms is a good place to start - this is a good way to learn how to listen - a path to find the thunder of silence.

[Sebastion]

Methinks Jenci has touched on a subject which has gone for the most part, unmentioned anywhere on this forum and that is inducing out of body experiences. For me, learning to contemplate, meditate was for that express purpose and I had a passion to "know" that knew no boundaries. In my research, I came across a passage which stated that mind couldn't be used to seek something from mind but the spirit could be used to seek spirit. Somewhere within me I instinctively knew that it was a key truth and it certainly was....

[HORIZONS]

Methinks Jenci has touched on a subject which has gone for the most part, unmentioned anywhere on this forum and that is inducing out of body experiences. For me, learning to contemplate, meditate was for that express purpose and I had a passion to "know" that knew no boundaries. In my research, I came across a passage which stated that mind couldn't be used to seek something from mind but the spirit could be used to seek spirit. Somewhere within me I instinctively knew that it was a key truth and it certainly was....

There actually is a thread or two on OBE's - you just have to look for them.

[Dawn]

This thread is fascinating to me. I love hearing everyone's personal experience expressed into words. And since words really can't say the truth about this, but only point to it, this is a fun game. I truly never 'hear' my higher self speak. However I am very comfortable resting in the unknown, whether my mind is or not. I notice that I can consider an idea and the mind will go off on a tangent of planning that will go on and on. However, if action happens (or not), it comes from a different place than the energy of the whirling mind.

Sometimes I find myself moving into action and I am not really even sure what the action will lead to. Later my linear mind will look back at the event and think, 'Well, for heavens sake, maybe the reason I suddenly started moving and went to the hot springs without any planning was to meet _____ who just happened to be there'

I used to 'live outside of the physical body' in the space all around it. However, I decided to release traumas that were caught in my body through Somatic Experiencing sessions, and I was able to come into exquisite alignment with the physical body. Now I experience this physical body as my main way to enjoy being in the earth experience. My body lets me know so many things, and the experiences it provides to me are vivid and wonderful. However, it took 4 years of sessions.... and many years to decide to do sessions, before I was 'back in my body'. I am still aware of the space around my physical body, and my other bodies which are more subtle, however I now can be fully in the physical body as well.

[Anchor]

Asking seems to be a key for me. If I can be bothered to formulate and make the request, it kind of engages the higher-self communication channel. More often that not, its if you don't ask you don't get.

I have learned that help and advice is available from all kinds of powers.

Even those times when I cant hit a nail straight, I might ask, and normally bang - in it goes in one.

A few weeks ago I was having trouble connecting my post hole digger to my tractor - normally a two person job, but I was on my own and using ropes, levers and stuff like that (plus quite a lot of bad language :) ). One particular part was causing me to start to curse my bad luck, and then *ping* John you idiot what are you doing? Oh yes.... "Um please can I have some help with this PTO shaft?" Clink on it goes the next time I try.

That last one was a synthesis of higher-self reminding me to ask (unbidden!) and then me asking and some angelic powers doing what they do best.

[DNA]

I had just finished reading the oversoul seven books by Jane Roberts when I was seventeen. I decided I really wanted to meet my higher self.
Everynight when going to sleep I would chant over and over again "I want to meet my higher self, I want to meet my higher self, I want to meet my higher self."

This went on for three days, on the fourth I had this lucid dream.

I was standing on a wooden patio deck, in the back of a house I had never seen before. All my friends were on the patio-deck, and we were having a party.
One by one, my friends began pointing to the horizen and noting an electrical storm.
My friends began voicing their fear of the approaching storm, and voicing this concern as they left the patio-deck.
The thunder and lightning grew in intensity, and now the only person left beside me was my best freind.
He jumped off the deck right before the storm arrived at the deck and a man in his mid-forties stepped out of the chaos and on to my deck.
He grabbed me by the nape of my neck and started whispering in my ear. Lightning and thunder were crashing all around us, and I was screaming in utter terror.
Not so much because the guy looked scary, it was more the energy he represented I just couldn't handle it.

Anyway, so I'm screaming my bloody head off, and he holds me firmly in his hands and begins whispering in my ear.
"Eat your vegtables and choose your friends wisely".
He repeated this three times before I woke up.


Scared the crap out of me. And he also impressed upon me a point that has never been lost. He always knows what is going on with me, but over exposure creates a sense of dependency in the undersoul. As such, face time should be kept to a minimum. :hat:

[Anchor]

The higher self is the Truth. It doesn't need to assert itself over the noise of the mind. The higher self, most times will answer immediately, it's never indecisive.... and it can be easily missed.

For example :-
I ask myself - Should I get involved in this situation?
The answer - ** Well, if I do, this could happen and if I don't that could happen, so really I should..........

The higher self answered in the space between the question and the answer indicated by the **.
It doesn't need to assert itself because it already is the Truth, it's not indecisive and most often it is the one response that the lower self doesn't want to consider.

Learning to listen to this when it is everything you don't want to do, takes sincerity and dedication but once this Truth starts to move, it really starts to move and it becomes natural.

Thanks!

This precisely matches my own experience.

[ulli]

I had just finished reading the oversoul seven books by Jane Roberts when I was seventeen I decided I really wanted to meet my higher self.
Everynight when going to sleep I would chant over and over again "I want to meet my higher self, I want to meet my higher self, I want to meet my higher self."

This went on for three days, on the fourth I had this lucid dream.

I was standing on a wooden patio deck, in the back of a house I had never seen before. All my friends were on the patio-deck, and we were having a party.
One by one, my friends began pointing to the horizen and noting an electrical storm.
My friends began voicing their fear of the approaching storm, and voicing this concern as they left the patio-deck.
The thunder and lightning grew in intensity, and now the only person left beside me was my best freind.
He jumped off the deck right before the storm arrived at the deck and a man in his mid-forties stepped out of the chaos and on to my deck.
He grabbed me by the nape of my neck and started whispering in my ear. Lightning and thunder were crashing all around us, and I was screaming in utter terror.
Not so much because the guy looked scary, it was more the energy he represented I just couldn't handle it.

Anyway, so I'm screaming my bloody head off, and he holds me firmly in his hands and begins whispering in my ear.
"Eat your vegtables and choose your friends wisely".
He repeated this three times before I woke up.


Scared the crap out of me. And he also impressed upon me a point that has never been lost. He always knows what is going on with me, but over exposure creates a sense of dependency in the undersoul. As such, face time should be kept to a minimum. :hat:

This is one of the coolest stories I've ever read on the forum.
Now I want to meet my higher self.
Since I'm already eating my veggies and am chosing my friends as well as reading material wisely
I'm seriously curious what he/she has to tell me.
Will report back when it happens.

[christian]

The genuine intent to do so is sufficient for a connection. Everybody can do it, just do it sincerely and patiently and be sure of why you want to connect.

Drunvalo Melchizedek has an interesting take on it, he basically cites a hawaiian kahuna there, it is about connecting to the lower self first to then make the next step. Becoming like a child first. How and when does a bird learn to fly? As a youngster, jumping out of the nest and doing it.

KYrAgIJAW2E

This idea of connecting to the higher self is all about getting rid of barriers and limitations, not about connecting to something for the first time, but to consciously re-establish the wholeness, I find.

[Dawn]

I just spent some time on Pie'n'eal's competing thread. I'm sure he put it up in answer to this thread. It is really worth looking at, if you're really interested in this thread's topic: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37283-Destroy-your-Higher-Self-or-Source-

Part of why we are posting seemingly contradictory information here, and on his thread, is because what you see (and what you need for your next step) depends on where you are on the 'heroes journey'. I've made a post there that is pertinent to this thread as well. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37283-Destroy-your-Higher-Self-or-Source-&p=387274&viewfull=1#post387274

In fact, both threads are really about the same topic... but from different places in the journey.

[Jenci]

I just spent some time on Pi'neal's competing thread. I'm sure he put it up in answer to this thread. It is really worth looking at, if you're really interested in this thread's topic: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37283-Destroy-your-Higher-Self-or-Source-

Part of why we are posting seemingly contradictory information here, and on his thread, is because what you see (and what you need for your next step) depends on where you are on the 'heroes journey'. I've made a post there that is pertinent to this thread as well. http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37283-Destroy-your-Higher-Self-or-Source-&p=387274&viewfull=1#post387274

In fact, both threads are really about the same topic... but from different places in the journey.


If we didn't have the paradoxes and contradictions, it would be easy wouldn't it ;)

.....it's only the mind (lower self) which cannot cope with two opposing ideas as being the same.
Jeanette

[Elethia]

Laura,

Since you have interesting visions and experiences, why not keep a journal of them. Writing it out gives you the time to look at it, and it won't perhaps be so scary. I keep a dream journal with all this stuff in it: dreams, OB's, visions, messages (voices), whatever. First I write out as close as I can to what I 'heard' or 'saw' or experienced. Then, I write out what it I think it means. Often, as I write this part I ask what is the symbolism of this? Or who is this person I had a vision of and before the mind can reason on it, there can be an answer that leaps out that may surprise you. I have learned so much about myself from this kind of journal.

Much of what comes to us is symbolic rather than literal. If you look at these experiences as a puzzle to put together it may give you the distance you need so as not to be frightened of it. You will see that you are indeed safe.

This is another great thread. Thanks everyone!

[noxon medem]

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Sorry , folks , I sometime suffer
from a slight dyslectia ...
- Should it be
read this like :
how do (can) you contain , your higher self ?

(not realy asking , saying ..).

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[Anchor]

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Sorry , folks , I sometime suffer
from a slight dyslectia ...
- Should it be
read this like :
how do (can) you contain , your higher self ?

(not realy asking , saying ..).

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Unless you are careful to ensure it is not, containment, by the "material" lower self (I mean if you have a higher-self, it stands to reason you have a lower one right?) implies a finite capacity. The higher-self according to my understanding is infinite - in so far it is part of the one infinite creator - a bit like your soul is.

Your higher self is a feature of your being. You don't contain it as such, its just there with you - hidden behind the scenes until you seek it out. It's not really hiding, but you have to look for it, and this requires turning the attention inwards.

[ghostrider]

just relax, and allow. that still small voice will tell you everything you need to know, and you will realize you .. Body, soul. spirit, your soul living in a body affected by spirits sometimes good, sometimes bad- you choose. hence freewill

[Dawn]

I would like to take a moment to express (again) my deepest gratitude for the founder of this thread, who put forth the wonderful curiosity which started this thread. It is said that ‘beginners mind’ is the most important thing on the spiritual path, and that was her gift to all of us:

Laura Elina: “Then this year I felt I had to start working on my realization, so I decided I wanted to make the connection with my higher self stronger”

I am still bouncing back and forth between this thread, (How do you Contact Your Higher Self) and Pie’n’eal’s thread (Destroy Your Higher Self or Source). They are both good, and strangely they are actually about the same subject, just from different places on the spiritual journey. I have such a sense of gratitude to all who have taken the time to put their thoughts together in posts as a gift to all of us.

As I was reading I realized we don’t have agreement on WHAT we are writing about (LOL), Raykvt and Bollinger agree with me

Raykyt: “...to me that is the core of most disagreement, argumentation. Language, expression. Tower of Babel stuff. It gets in the way so much. See it so often in places like this where we don't have the benefit of body language or intonation. We often mean the same thing, speak of the same ideas, just use our experiences, our lenses, our perception, to explain it and, when you get down to it, boil it all down, it's all the same. Isn't that wonderful?? If you can get there and figure out that you are there. LOL”

Bollinger: “One of the glaring shortfalls in threads having spirituality as their main theme is the use of certain terms that people rarely define.”

Here are some wonderful definitions, as varied and rich as all the delightful people who contributed:

Phil_5070: “I believe the Higher Self is the fully evolved Ego, your midheaven in your birth chart, the true being you strive to be consciously or not.”

Belle: “I consider her (my inner child) my higher self.”

Music: “For me? The self does disappear, but not in dimensional existence. Higher self, for me, is an expression of source within higher dimensional reality, but still is tied to the "physicality" of dimensional existence. The higher self resides in the heart, and the heart is the meeting place between lower and higher dimensions, but also is a reflection or refraction of the the meeting place between dimensional existence and "source". It is the seat of alchemy, where the male and female principles are combined with the magic/spirit/dragon to acheive unity, which is reunion with source, which is coming back to our true and only nature, which is Love.”

Rahkyt: Higher Self is that which is the totality of its collective spiritual experience.”

Ultima Thule: “I totally and honestly see the point to destroy my higher self if I ever see one... and any buddhas, christs or any other buggers coming along as well, while I´m at it!”

Eaglespirit: “...the Higher-Self/Soul IS Egoless and Dances with Loving Oneness! You ARE the Egoless Energy in proportion to the degree of Giving!”

Rahkyt: “I've seen the Higher Self also associated with the 72 Names of God, the theory being that there are only that many Higher Selves, each one corresponding to a Name of God, and that all of us who are incarnated are a part of what effectively are 72 Soul Groups, or 72 families of Humanity, each a part of each of these Names of God. In this view, every Higher Self is an entity, in and of itself. A conscious, living BEing, made up of us, each of us being soul-shards, or cells within its body, much like we have cells in our body that display aspects of consciousness, that live, that die, that procreate, that have experiences within the Midi-chlorian Collective that each of us represents. As Above, So Below.”

Johnf: “I can say that I have attributed the identity of higher self to some sort of energy that has helped me see that I have been fighting myself, and others needlessly, and that this battle isn't something that helps me or others.”

greybeard: “There is only one Higher Self and it is shared by all.”

Pie’n’eal: “This higher self is merely your ego, clinging to its self-identity still.
It is still all about ME!!!”

TraineeHuman: “And it certainly is true that the lowest level of spiritual enlightenment occurs with the realisation that at your deepest and truest level you are the same as Source.”

Little Ishta: “Higher Self could be your True Self with out Ego being involved.”

Jenci: “You don't need to connect to your higher self. You are already That.”

TraineeHuman: “a deeper “I” – the Higher Self””

Limor: “I do feel that I,myself can sometimes determined whether I get this from my 'knowing' higher soul that have the answers and when it is coming from an outside source. Of course,there is a good chance that I am wrong!”

Dig: “Unconditional Love your true self which has always been there but has been buried behind layers of taught and programmed responses.”

Valley....”realize that you are always recreating yourself in every moment by how you choose to interact with life.....The more positive and fulfilled and magical you feel inside, the more connected you will be to your highest aspects”

Unified Serenity: “For me, we are all individual creators linked by some mysterious oneness that all energy comes from, and yet we are distinct striving deeply through spiritual awareness to fully know true oneness. Is it that sense of cosmic consciousness some of us tap into and call our higher self?”

Star111: “Its already YOU.
YOU are IT and IT is YOU and YOU and IT is part of the Divine”

9Cloud9: “Source or higher intelligence is very aware, and mind based manifestation is very conscious. In a weird way we become SELF conscious. Suddenly we are conscious of our authentic SELF expressing. We become self centered or rather Source centered. Self centered doesn't sound very nice but being there is splendid.
If we still have fears about confronting Source we are going to shy from how Source expresses itself through us--higher self. SELF Authority.”

VaughnB: I've never really had any cause, need or desire to somehow connect with my higher self, a guide, angel, not that they aren't there.

Anchor: “When I hear the voice of my higher self, it very often sounds exactly how I think my own voice sounds - except it is not me speaking. I can ask it questions, and if it answers the answer comes so fast and instantly that you sometimes need to ask again because you forgot to catch it the first time around.”...... “Asking seems to be a key for me. If I can be bothered to formulate and make the request, it kind of engages the higher-self communication channel.”

DNA: “Scared the crap out of me. And he also impressed upon me a point that has never been lost. He always knows what is going on with me, but over exposure creates a sense of dependency in the undersoul. As such, face time should be kept to a minimum.”

Ulli: “Now I want to meet my higher self.....
I'm seriously curious what he/she has to tell me.
Will report back when it happens."

chiquetet: “This idea of connecting to the higher self is all about getting rid of barriers and limitations, not about connecting to something for the first time, but to consciously re-establish the wholeness, I find.”

noxon medem: “Should it be read this like :....how do (can) you contain , your higher self ?”

Anchor: “Your higher self is a feature of your being. You don't contain it as such, its just there with you - hidden behind the scenes until you seek it out. It's not really hiding, but you have to look for it, and this requires turning the attention inwards.”

ghostrider: “just relax, and allow. that still small voice will tell you everything you need to know, and you will realize you .. Body, soul. spirit, your soul living in a body affected by spirits”


When I first started to work on this post I thought I’d define the ‘Higher Self’ term so we could all meet on the ‘same page’, so to speak. However, after carefully re-reading both threads I am in love with the diversity of experiences and sharing. Here is a final quote about this topic:


Eaglespirit: “Too much guru talk disarms the energy, imho...just live it!”

I LOVE this forum, and I find myself on my knees in gratitude to all of you sometimes. Thank you for being yourself, sharing, being vulnerable, and being willing to express your song of life. You are all ‘another me’ and I feel so rich and abundant from meeting you here!

[Jenci]

That's a great summary Dawn ......I think this discussion has been very helpful, although I will say not just for the beginners but for those who have been involved in this subject for a while :)
Jeanette

[mannygtr]

hi every one..
as Michelangelo said once.. "my sculpture is there in that big block of marble...all i have to do is remove the unnecessary materiall"
so somehow it stick on this aspect of life too i guess.
So i just believe we have to "clear" or "remove" if you want, those superstructures that life and society made in us for us, in order to contact our higher self and our true nature.
Processes ot methods can be very personal and based on our attitude and qualities, and life experiences too.
As Jeanetter said "Discarding the false self, will reveal the real self. "... very true!!

[Laura Elina]

Hey everyone, thank you for all the input, this is wonderful :)

I have tried to reply to this thread so many times the past week with trying to explain an a-ha moment, but I have a problem with wording.

So here goes (warning - lengthy subjective contemplation, lol):

So I was frustrated with feeling like I was disconnected, and you know how it was frustrating as a kid trying to put a jigsaw puzzle together that was beyond your patience (the ones that don't have only 5 pieces to them, lol, you know... I wish puzzles had only 5 pieces to them sometimes, but then again, maybe they do and we make them 10 000 piece puzzles, or maybe the puzzle has just one freaking puzzle piece), trying to get the pieces to fit and they just wouldn't... And then you'd just kind of, ram the pieces together by pure force even if they didn't fit, and you'd end up destroying them like that in a fit of puzzle rage (comparable to road rage).

Anyway, I think the main problem I was having was impatience, lack of acceptance, a feeling of being uncomfortable with myself, being uncomfortable with life, so I got into this state of puzzle rage demanding answers. I was distraught with being less than perfect, being humane in other words. I am still not completely OK with making mistakes, and thinking like that, that I make mistakes.

I am/was being a judgmental Judy on myself, basically playing the preacher, who scolds the sinner and makes promises of Hell with a capital H, if they don't shape up. And here's another "power word"... Anger, at that moment I shifted to being angry at not being able to rid myself of this type of judgement.

This nagging/uncomfortable unrest was eating me away and I felt like a little earthly worm crawling into the mouth of a bird waiting to eat me, and crying about it at the same time. And as I was throwing ashes on myself and pounding the ground with my fists - a thought occurred: why the heck am I crawling here? Who's making me?

And I got it, I am afraid, simple as that, fear based decision making. Scared of messing up, I hold onto guilt, awful at letting things go.

And then I had the A-ha moment: "You" just spoke to me. And then I went... I mean.. I just spoke to me! And then pure excitement and joy, higher self just spoke to me!

I did a victory dance and kind of..."high fived" her-him/it. That made me feel like a bit of a geek but I mean... That's a high 5 moment.

Guilt tripping myself, making sure I suffer to the max if I "mess up" and being sure I hold onto that space of suffering are a few of the things I know. Now with the higher self adventure I have started to learn letting go and self-acceptance yet again, a bit by bit. I went on a loop there, snapped I suppose. I am the smiling type, the eternal optimist at heart, I really am, and it feels good and nice to like yourself again and not feeling the need to apologize for breathing. Yeah, it got pretty bad with the self-whipping.

Suppose if you were to meet me on the street you'd say she's the "from 9am to 5pm" type, it's not even outside pressure that made me feel like I needed to punish myself for not wanting to go this put your career first route, it was just me thinking I wouldn't be loved or accepted by anyone anymore if I were to let go of the chains I was holding onto, I was so scared, I thought no one would like me anymore, if I was a grand failure. I got some trust issues there.

There's a habit I've taken now, making my peace with each day before bedtime, I just say thanks (anyone/thing involved, the not so nice energies too, if something happened that made me cringe and cry: "well that kinda sucked but thanks because now I know that too") for the awesome experience I'm having.

Meditation, I still haven't really put that much energy into it... But I don't feel bad about it anymore, which is nice. Taking little moments here and there, where I attempt to find a space for me myself and I.

Whenever I find myself stressing out, I now imagine the stress in the form of something that makes me giggle, one of these replies on this thread talked about laughter and tipped me off.

Sense of humor, I exercise it more now, things got too serious and that's what got me, not having the guts to enjoy life.

I went onto other threads as well and did a bit of reading (higher self/ego), I agree, the insight here and the willingness to share is just... Something I wanna thank you guys for, so thank you, and happy new year's eve!

[Jenci]

Thanks for sharing your A-ha moment......Happy New Year to you too.
Jeanette

[Sebastion]

I would like to offer my point of view regarding the subject at hand gleaned from many first hand experiences with/in Spirit. It is simplified for ease of understanding. I love simplicity because many things quite profound can be discovered within that which is exquisitely simple! It gets complicated when the use of words becomes necessary to communicate! Hate it when that happens! lol

When you as "soul", "consciousness" choose to come into the "lower material" worlds, you are given/pick up lower mind to assist you in your journeys. It is from lower mind that ego arises/is born and is a form of self protection. It does not take long before higher mind becomes, shall we say, pushed aside/forgotten/ usurped by lower mind.

Consciousness is "electrical" in nature and thus implies "frequency". Different dimensions are found at specific frequencies. That is what is meant when someone talks about raising your frequency, vibrations, etc. You need not look any farther than a radio to understand. Turning your radio dial will change the frequency thereby allowing you to pick up a different radio station.

Through the use of Dawn's exercise found on the breatharian thread one can begin the process of learning how to adjust your own frequency and may I add, far, far more!

[Arrowwind]

How do I contact my higher self?

Well Ive worked hard at that... all the shamanistic stuff. the theta teachings, religious science.

It at some point it became quite clear to me that high self will contact me when direct and speciific communication is needed. I assume we are in contact all the time. Why would I want to plague myself by assuming that we are not in contact? High Self is a part of who I am.. Assuming that we are not in contact all the time, I would think, would lend to false beliefs of separation from one's very own source. I just hold the awareness that highself is an integrated part of whom I am and go about my day.... of course its really fun when HS does get on a rant and communicates directly.

[sygh]

I've always been able to connect with the higher self, even as a child. I thought everyone did it, and that it was a normal state of being. Well, it is a normal state of being. But it took many years for me to understand -while everyone can do this, not all choose, for various reasons, to recognize the reality of it. Would there even be a word to describe the state of being "meditation", if there were not such a thing? The reality of meditation is... it "was, is, and will be" infinately -for who knows how long infinate was prior to, during, or after the word to express this state of higher consciousness came to exist?

When it comes to telepathy, I know it exists because I have done it many times. Telepathy is a means of communicating at a higher level of consciousness, regardless of physical distance, and without using the "auditable" word. It can be irking when one knows of a certainty there exists a way of communicating at a higher level of consciousness, when others who are also highly educated say it doesn't. There exists a higher self. Not only can we communicate with our own higher state of being, we can also communicate with others in that realm. It isn't some sort of hoodoo-voodoo, or occultist schisim but a natural attribute of being human. Fortunately, I am stable enough not to need a scientist's blessing.

Like all things living, meditation is something to be lived, (practiced/done) or one loses the attribute. Good news is, it's rather like riding a bike. I get myself together on what it means to me to love unconditionally first. Edgar Cayce taught me how to purposely meditate. Jesus taught meditation, and what is referred to as the baptism by fire. For me, that is the true "awakening". To listen to one's higher self, or higher purpose, is to acknowledge the responsibility one has to following the narrow path of the higher self.

Some physicists, like one of the creators of the string theory, Dr. Michio Kaku, openly put it down saying it's impossible, or... why do that, when you can use a computer to communicate? There were times I crossed over from the other side and began walking in my sleep, when I was hundreds of miles away from my baby and I could hear him crying for me to come to him in the night. Need I say more?

[sygh]

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Sorry , folks , I sometime suffer
from a slight dyslectia ...
- Should it be
read this like :
how do (can) you contain , your higher self ?

(not realy asking , saying ..).

..
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turn right. A thought is as good as the deed.

[Dawn]

Now that I am clear that we are not all talking about the same thing when we say 'Higher Self', it is a little strange to post on this thread. I mean, what will my post mean if we are not all talking about the same thing? (LOL) And if you haven't read the post I'm referring to here's the location: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37071-How-do-You-Contact-Your-Higher-Self&p=387885&viewfull=1#post387885

So, in this post I am referring to finding yourself, but at a different frequency with deeper knowledge. (a 'higher', less dense frequency) The one thing I am sure of, after so many years of meditating, is that it really is ALL ONE. And we all are a part of THAT. So speaking to our 'higher self' (to me anyway) means we are moving towards that center where all is one and all is known. And as we travel, we are looking at our-self ... because there is no other ... it is all ONE.


So, how do we do that? And what are our experiences as we travel this 'pathless path'?


Laura Elina: And as I was throwing ashes on myself and pounding the ground with my fists - a thought occurred: why the heck am I crawling here? Who's making me?

And I got it, I am afraid, simple as that, fear based decision making. Scared of messing up, I hold onto guilt, awful at letting things go.

And then I had the A-ha moment: "You" just spoke to me. And then I went... I mean.. I just spoke to me! And then pure excitement and joy, higher self just spoke to me!

This is perfect Laura, thank you so much for sharing!!! For me a question has always been one of the keys. It is as though the questions arise from a deeply hidden answer we already know, but can't quite remember. And once a great question is asked, then the answer is seen. After that a deeper (or higher) level is enjoyed, until a new question emerges and we are led again to the next level.

A question is the key, isn't it? How can we remain in the question as a way of life?

[Dawn]

Sebastion: Consciousness is "electrical" in nature and thus implies "frequency". Different dimensions are found at specific frequencies. That is what is meant when someone talks about raising your frequency, vibrations, etc. You need not look any farther than a radio to understand. Turning your radio dial will change the frequency thereby allowing you to pick up a different radio station.

Through the use of Dawn's exercise found on the breatharian thread one can begin the process of learning how to adjust your own frequency and may I add, far, far more!

Right on Sebastion! I think you did a good job using the crude and cumbersome tool of language. Thank you for sharing, and I'm glad you're enjoying the fruits of the exercise you mentioned.

That seems to be the core of the matter doesn't it.

How do we vibrate at a higher level?

If we do that, how much power will we have at our fingertips?

Is it possible that we are so terrified of our true power, that we avoid actually taking the steps to raise our frequency?

Would the PTB be brushed aside like a filmy cloud, if we all did some of those steps and touched our true powerful potential?


Sygh: To listen to one's higher self, or higher purpose, is to acknowledge the responsibility one has to following the narrow path of the higher self.

How many of us are not willing to follow that path Sygh? I see so many people making choices from fear instead of from their inner guidance. I guess that is what this thread is about, how do you get BACK in touch with your higher self if you've lost the connection? Anyone else on the forum want to give a stab at an answer?

[another bob]

I guess that is what this thread is about, how do you get BACK in touch with your higher self if you've lost the connection? Anyone else on the forum want to give a stab at an answer?

Hiya Dawn! Hope you're enjoying New Year's Eve in Pismo Beach -- I love that area!

To your question:

I'd offer that such a connection can never be lost, because it does not exist from the start. Any connection that we thought was there, but now is lost, is purely an hallucination. Furthermore, identification with the imagined one who is busy trying to connect is actually the chief obstacle standing in the way of true recognition, recognition that we are what we seek already -- we are that itself! That's right!
That's why, when we realize directly, we can't help but bust out laughing! "Who knew!!" Sure, maybe we even thought we knew, and maybe some people might have assured us that we knew, but we really didn't know, not until we see for ourself.
There's not an ounce of difference between you and Buddhahood, except that we pretend otherwise, in order to provide Source-Mind with entertaining experiences of not-self. Still, when we hear that we are the Supreme Reality itself, how many will take such news to heart? How many would say, "Could this be true?" and not rest until they realized this truth directly, down to their wriggly cells?
Well, instead, we have what Buddhists call, "Expedient Means". It's stuff we do in the meantime if we're committed to waking up from the illusion of being the human host, rather than the immortal Light Being within that we actually are. Among these means, or schemes to become what we already are, there are many and diverse teachings and bits of helpful advice, pointers on the way, and friends to walk with on the path to ourself. For us here in 3-D, some of the best advice includes eliminating greed, envy, anger, and hatred from the repetoire of habitual reactivity, and replacing these tendencies with loving kindness, wisdom, and humility. That's a good beginning, and the rest of what needs to happen will happen by itself if we remain sincere and open-hearted.

:yo:

[Dawn]

AnotherBob: I'd offer that such a connection can never be lost, because it does not exist from the start. Any connection that we thought was there, but now is lost, is purely an hallucination. Furthermore, identification with the imagined one who is busy trying to connect is actually the chief obstacle standing in the way of true recognition, recognition that we are what we seek already -- we are that itself! That's right!

Gawd, I love your energy Bob! And that is the thing isn't it. How do we un-halucinate ourselves? Can this even be done? Do some behavious, such as meditation, give us a better chance? Is there perhaps some other thing we might focus on to help us find our way out of the box we built ourselves, in which we think we are lost?

[another bob]

Is there perhaps some other thing we might focus on to help us find our way out of the box we built ourselves, in which we think we are lost?

In Buddhism, it's said that there are 84,000 Dharma Gates, which essentially means that for each of us, we are our own way, and we are our whole path, and we are our true destination. As for myself, my teachers always pointed me back to myself. They said, "Go to the source of your own attention, the sense 'I Am', the feeling of Being itself, and stay there. Do not be distracted by anything that arises in the mind. Discard everything you think, know, sense, or believe. Let everything go, and don't look back." Well, that was great and wise advice, for which I shall be eternally grateful, but none of it meant a hill of beans until the heart was broken open by love, and so my advice is just to love and love and don't relent until utterly consumed in that inner mounting flame, because there is no sweeter way to burn, and that's a simple fact.

:yo:

[TraineeHuman]

Partly along the lines of what anotherbob was saying in #55:

When it comes to any “spiritual” subject:

Never ask “how”. Always ask “what”. Always watch “what” is here deep inside you. Look, don’t think – at first.

First there comes “is”ness, pure Being. That Being in you is alive. It’s pure aliveness. To feel/sense it is very, very joyful. Even to partly sense/feel it is very, very OK, very, very right. It is your inner body. It will never leave you, not even after death.

I say all the high-faluting talk about Source is unnecessary BS. I say the highest version of Source is right there whenever you feel/sense the happiness of just being alive. Nothing more, except in how intensely you feel/sense/be that happiness/OKness.

It’s very simple and ordinary, really: either the “happy” switch is on or it’s not. And all you need to turn it on is stop and look inside and truly feel. As G.K. Chesterton wrote:

Step softly under snow and rain
To find the place where men might pray.
The way is all so very plain
That we might lose the way.

Stay with the “what”. Just bask in the beauty of your nature, that you’ve learnt to ignore kind of like your eyes ignore the nose that’s always right there on your face, and part of the background of every scene you ever see.

Your ego will always try hard to sneakily turn the “what” into one or more “how”s. Don’t let it. No methods! Truth is a pathless land. So is life. So is who you really, simply are.

If you’re happy, nothing else matters, in comparison to how you feel. In that moment “death is swallowed up in victory”, etc. That doesn’t mean you don’t care about the planet’s problems. It does mean you can look at them from a base of being naturally invincible.

[Sebastion]

It is always good when one has found their own truth and is very happy and fulfilled by it!

[TraineeHuman]

Hi Sebastion,

Thank you very much. However, my post was an attempt to describe something that’s universal. In that sense it’s not “my” truth at all.

And thank you, but I find I don't need to be "fulfilled" any more. There comes a point where you simply drop that heavy burden on your back of whatever it is that demands to be filled up. Better to cut loose and be vulnerable and sensitive and find a way to enjoy whatever comes.

I don’t usually make posts in the Spirituality section for any other purpose than to try to point others towards something I’ve already realised. I believe I don’t really do it much for my benefit or gratification.

It’s not clear in what sense you were intending the expression “finding your (own) truth”. I’ve heard one spiritual guru use that expression in the sense of reaching what I would recognise as a certain important stage of spiritual enlightenment (equally, as a certain “divine” or universal dimension). (Dimension sixteen, I guess -- not that it matters much exactly what number dimension it is.)

The point here is, whatever a person sees as “the world out there” is really a kind of reflection through the "filter" of who/what that person currently is.

In reality, there’s no such thing as “out there”, in the sense of something disconnected from what’s inner. So it’s not until a person can look inside themselves deeply enough that they can truly (or "objectively" and in a balanced way) see what “the world out there” is truly like.

Too many words. Here's the same point. As T.S. Eliot said (I think quoting Dame Julian of Norwich):

“And the end of all our explorations
Will be to return to the place
From where we started,
And to know the place for the first time.”

Also, I know that getting in touch with feeling all the cells of your body is involved a lot with all this too. But that's too many words already, for now.

(See also my previous post, and anotherbob’s post #55 a few posts before it.)

[Sebastion]

Hi TraineeHuman

You have made many statements that you of yourself, must believe, have an opinion/ realization to be true for you, hence your truth. You have said " I say all this high-faluting talk about Source is unnecessary BS." Is that not "your" truth? Certainly appears that way to me but it most certainly isn't mine! Oh God! We disagree, what shall we do now? LOL! Oh I know, let's get back to the topic! It's all good!

[TraineeHuman]

Sebastion:

My post was in the context of a long thread discussing what is involved in direct contact with one’s Higher Self. My post was talking strictly from the point of view of what it is like to actually experience deep contact with one’s Higher Self. I believe most or all of the members who thanked me also experience direct contact with their Higher Selves, or something close to that at least.

I wasn’t denying the existence of Source at all. Much as Buddhists aren't recommending homicide when they say: "If you meet the Buddha while you are walking down the street, kill him straight away!"

[Siegfried The 7]

Happy New Year Everyone!

I think the higher self is the essence of the soul which can be found by looking at the sum(theme) of all things in ones life. I think what we believe to be living is an auto-pilot side to existing while our subconscious analyzes, records, deciphers, and decides continuously. It knows who/what you are already. It is driven by the intent of your essence to guide you to your honest intentions and to teach you about your dishonest ones(through karma, failure, repetition,etc).

For this reason, I think the dream world is very powerful and mysterious place. I am beginning to believe that it is an infinite realm where any intention can be created. It is a place to merge with the higher self, where all the data collected thats too much to comprehend in the waking world is available. But thats another topic..

Back to the higher self, I definitely believe we are all connected which is why we attract those to us like ourselves. I believe when this is done again, it is the higher self helping you to understand an aspect of yourself or helping you to gather more of a like-minded collective together for some reason that is a desire in your intentions(Like searching for truth brought Avalon Members to collect at this nexus).

How about when you have that feeling that you shouldnt go here/there or Im in a hurry and Im gonna run this red light and I hope no policeman is near only to see one? LOL! Those too are calculations being done by the higher self. I think because we are so out of tune with ourselves we do not know how to tap into that energy for our benefit, but the more you try to "listen" or grasp your inner connections to everything around you it becomes more familiar

[Dawn]

I just became aware of a very ancient document called The Divine Pymander. It was authored by Hermes Trismegistus who lived in pre-Egyptian times. He is also thought to be the same person as Thoth, the Egyptian god. I’ve ordered a book with an in-depth analysis of this writing. Meanwhile, I found the original text online here: http://www.alchemylab.com/pymander.htm

Like many ancient texts, it seems very short and simple, however it has tremendous depth. It has precise instructions for leaving death behind, and attaining the deathless state, which is our true nature. It refers to the ‘divine mind’, or the ‘higher self’ this thread is focused upon. I thought you’d enjoy a little excerpt here:


"You are right! Light and Life is the Divine Mind, and from it Man was born. If then you know that you are yourself of Life and Light, and that you are made of them, you shall return to Life and Light." Thus did the Shepherd speak.
"But tell me further, Mind of me," I cried out, "How shall I come to Life again, for God does say 'the man who had Mind in him, let him learn to know that he himself is deathless.' Have not all men then Mind?"
"Again you speak well! I, Divine Mind, myself am present with holy men and good, the pure and merciful men who live piously. To such my presence becomes an aid, and straightway they gain Gnosis of all things, and win their Father's love by their pure lives, and give Him thanks, invoking on Him blessings and entering his Kingdom, intent on Him with ardent love.

[Dawn]

A few posts ago I mentioned the 10 bulls of Zen, which is a way of understanding the search for our 'higher self'. Although I posted the link I did not actually put these pictures on this thread and I'm doing it now because they are so useful. Basically NO ONE who has posted on this thread is WRONG. Everyone is RIGHT. What you are aware of depends on where you are in the hero's journey:




Dawn: Below is a depiction of the stages of enlightenment as seen by Zen Buddhism. Study them carefully, they are a sort of code for what the pathless path is. Can you see that the posts here conflict depending on which of the 10 stages someone is experiencing?

PS: I do not consider myself a Zen Buddhist, but I love some of the ways they point to the Truth!

http://www.otoons.de/mysticrose/comic/web-orizontal/69.jpg

johnf: Awesome response Dawn! I Googled the ten bulls of zen in an attempt to find this cartoon version you posted. Both your prelude, and the version of the paintings seemed to say what I was trying to say in a much simpler way.
Then I found an Osho discourse on it:

http://www.messagefrommasters.com/os...lls_of_zen.htm

I didn't notice the presence of imbibing booze in the last painting, and it really gave me a different way of looking at my anti-self self in a new way.

If you'd like to go to the original link for this post, where there is more dialog, here it is: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37283-Destroy-your-Higher-Self-or-Source-&p=387290&viewfull=1#post387290

[Kenn]

Hello,

I read this thread multiple time's from begging to end. I read the information to the best of my ability and understanding. I wanted so badly to be able to respond and add to the conversation that I had to really think about my intention's on the "why". I thought about it even shut down my browser and walked away. But here I am back to it. Honestly I know I am so far away from the subject matter, but I know at least I am in transit. I try so very hard to just walk in my day to have my own thought's and to know the intention of my emotion's and there path. I don't consider myself enlightened I believe that it is an academic term. But I am weary of my purpose even on minuscular chore's, and I micromanage my thought's till I am in a dizzy. But the moment's I lose myself in are those time's I just am, no responsibility's no "train" of thought just smiling and content. I could not tell you what bring's them because they are as pure as a baby in a whom. I do not seek them because I fear that they will be taken away by myself for thinking to deeply about them. I cherish moment with friends when I feel there signal's strongly weather they know they do it or they are lost in chatter and reveal in my company as well. The moments I feel I am with myself and other's in a proper way is when I am not thinking or driving to a source or contemplating "the right" or the "wrong" it is just the moment that has no address or purpose for anyone not even myself, I am just lost in life and the beauty of it all.

I am sorry if this does not go with the subject but I felt a need to share it. Thank you for giving me the space to do so.

Thank you Always
Kenn

[Anchor]

Kenn, great post.

Dont worry, it absolutely freaking does go with the subject!

Those thoughts that bubble up, unbidden and not directly associated with your own processes of living life in a conscious "micro-managed" manner - where do you think they come from?

Sorry but I cant see the wood because all these trees are in the way :)

[RedeZra]

Anyway, so I'm screaming my bloody head off, and he holds me firmly in his hands and begins whispering in my ear.
"Eat your vegtables and choose your friends wisely".
He repeated this three times before I woke up.


hey you got a wise higher self there ; )


as we are defined by the food we eat and the company we keep

because both will produce thoughts and emotions within us which we eventually will externalize to those around us


not every vision or speach is from higher self or soul since spirits can inject speach vision and emotion into our consciousness

and so can God the Great spirit who is an integral aspect of ourselves


test the spirits

is an important spiritual method to see if it is from soul God or spirits


so many are refering to spirit guides as sources of information but don't they know there are misleading spirits out there ?


there is one foolproof test to check if a spirit is from God or not

and that is the Name of Jesus


if the spirit starts to shutter and flee then know it's not of or from God

[Dawn]

Ken: But the moment's I lose myself in are those time's I just am, no responsibility's no "train" of thought just smiling and content. I could not tell you what bring's them because they are as pure as a baby in a womb. I do not seek them because I fear that they will be taken away by myself for thinking to deeply about them. I cherish moment with friends when I feel there signal's strongly weather they know they do it or they are lost in chatter and reveal in my company as well. The moments I feel I am with myself and other's in a proper way is when I am not thinking or driving to a source or contemplating "the right" or the "wrong" it is just the moment that has no address or purpose for anyone not even myself, I am just lost in life and the beauty of it all.

That is a great description of IT!!! Any analysis, attempt to have a silent mind, concern we aren't doing it right, and so on, takes us away from that place. That is when life is good, like a baby in the womb.

Most would say that the fruit gained from the search for the 'Higher Self', or the journey on the 'Pathless Path', is to be in this place, and know it for the first time. That is why the there are so many wise texts that speak of traveling to the mountain top and then coming back down and going back into the market place (normal life). When we have concluded the heroes journey we come back to the place where we began, and know it for the first time.

Thank you so much for your contribution Ken!

[Jenci]

Hello,

Honestly I know I am so far away from the subject matter, but I know at least I am in transit.
I think not. I think you are exactly on topic here.


But the moment's I lose myself in are those time's I just am, no responsibility's no "train" of thought just smiling and content.
And this is exactly it - the experience of the Higher Self which we have been speaking about. When the illusory self is lost, the higher self is revealed.



I could not tell you what bring's them because they are as pure as a baby in a whom.

This is really you realising your true nature. The baby in the womb is exactly the same before all the conditioning and the identification with "me", the illusory self.




I do not seek them because I fear that they will be taken away by myself for thinking to deeply about them.
I am just lost in life and the beauty of it all.

Something has woken up and this that has woken knows exactly what it is doing. This is happening all by itself for you. Even those who seek and try so hard to realise this, can find that in the end it starts happening all by itself without any effort.

Once the Being, the Higher self, has freed itself somewhat from the illusion, there is no stopping it.
It's like a river rushing back to its source.
It knows exactly what where it is going and what it is doing.

I'm glad you shared this Kenn.
Jeanette

[TraineeHuman]

Kenn, when you first learnt to drive, I’ll bet you didn’t read the technical manual that describes how the car you were learning to drive worked.
If you had tried to work out how to drive based on that manual, that would surely have confused the hell out of you – would it not?
Ditto if you had begun by reading the latest issue of one of the magazines for racing car drivers.

Meditation and self-psychotherapy are one of those “hands on” fields, just like driving is.

It’s not mostly about what you know, but about who/what you are. Two of the most important qualities are:

a radical self-honesty and
a deep sincerity that’s combined with a kind of thirst or strong inner sense that we were all meant to be happy, and not like the way most people are today, thanks to our society.

Your post certainly suggests that you have both of those qualities. (I sometimes wish some members would show stronger evidence that they had them too. So, you're doing just fine.)

At every point, a person needs to be guided by – and ruthlessly listen to – their inner sense. Enough with the thinking. Now just listen, deeply. Every moment that you have the time, or that you are reminded. It’s a bit like the way animals listen to their instinct. No confusion. Eventually you'll learn to refine and slowly sharpen and develop that "instinct."