Who is the most credible person, In the Alternative Community???

[jagman]

It seems to me, That Avalon has experienced, Shall we say turbulent waters as of late. All this unrest with Wilcock & Hoagland & others got me thinking today.:typing:
Who do you find most credible in the alt.comm.? Please give a name and a brief
description of the person that you think has the most credibility.

Please Do not attack fellow Avalon Members, Who post ppl that you disagree with!!!
Please, Just your pick and a brief summary of why you find him or her the most Credible?

[Chester]

Laura M. Eisenhower - The way she expresses

[ViralSpiral]

You writing a book Jagman? ;)

Remember the old cliche: one man's poison?

Credibility is relative to the observation, discernment and "attitude" of the viewer/listener.

Since you asked: George Carlin

:)

[crosby]

i have always enjoyed the works of alfred webre, jordan maxwell and richard dolan. they all bring something different too the table. there are others as well, but these three stick out in my mind currently as the real trend setters. they do not have any conflict going on, and they keep there business to what it relates too. thanks jagman.
regards, corson

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hi Jagman :-)

In our 3D reality, One person is shining above anybody and that is Alex Jones... He should have all the support possible from every one on this planet, since is he is revealing the absolute truth, and even he is figuring out now how deep this goes beyond our fake reality. David Icke is spot on as well, and it is just such a pleasure to see how David and Alex are getting closer and closer to each other after years ago where Alex completely dismissed David's theory of reptilians controlling us via the Elite rulers/bloodlines, and now it feels like Alex is thinking ..hmmm maybe there is something about the reptile connection.

I listen to Alex every night/day and i suggest you all do that.

On the other hand, if Aaron Russo did not reveal his story, there would be no Alex Jones, so Aaron is for me the Awaking Source for me. May God love him and take care of him forever.

Love
Peter

[wolf_rt]

I would agree with Alex Jones, though i don't like his fear based presentation, he has gained much credibility by being right about everything he has been saying.

It's also interesting to note the publicity he has been giving David Icke lately.

[Rantaak]

Carmody. :smokin:

Also, The Author, if you know who he is and what he wrote. I shouldn't talk about it here.

[Referee]

Alex Jones, Bob Dean, Duncan, Bill and Kerry............... and Ben Fulford is quickly gaining my trust!..........He has personal imvolvement with the passing of his family member.


I have to agree with Peter on AJ , You may not like his style but the amount of info in one day is huge!

[Daft Ada]

I listen to everyone and trust no one, I just collect as much information as I can and wait and see what develops. In 50 years very little claimed by anyone has ever happened. Some of the stuff certain people say get me excited because if what they say is true, the world will become a better place, but it hasn't happened yet. I think each and every one of the most prominent talk some truth and some bollocks, I will never stick my neck out and claim to believe anyone totally.

[Elixer]

Freeman.
He shows you how to look at the ritualistic aspects, in order to try and convince us to step away from these crazy systems. He brings a great message of love and joy with the Friendship Agenda. (look for freemantv)

Dan Winter.
He's been out there a long time, brings lots of scientific info in combination with sacred geometry and combines it not only with spiritualisty and galactic history, but with practical applications as well http://goldenmean.info. As the website will show, he might be difficult to understand...

Both these guys are too fringy for even the Alternative Media to be 'famous', which adds to their credibility, unfortunately.

But also:
The Electric Universe people. Their perspective is truely eye opening.

Henrik Palmgren from RedIce, doing such a good job.

Jim Humble. His MMS movement can have major impact.

Michael Cremo with his perspective of Forbidden Archeology.

Michael Tellinger for his work around Adam's Calendar (not so much his concept of contributionism, which I think is premature)

There are very few others that I trust, many more that bring valuable information (Lloyd Pie, Leo Zagami (yes I know) etc).

Sorry if this is too many.

[westhill]

Tsarion, Red Ice Creations (H & F Palmgren), Freeman
I always like Max Igan and of course my experience.
Let's not forget Duncan & Miranda.
westhill

[luciole]

You writing a book Jagman? ;)

Remember the old cliche: one man's poison?

Credibility is relative to the observation, discernment and "attitude" of the viewer/listener.

Since you asked: George Carlin

:)

I'm with you on that one!



I used to have very set ideas about alternative web sites or speakers on the net, but after a couple of years now, all theese, "he said, she said,he's a fake; she has a secret agenda, who's done it or I have an amazing story that will give you the whole truth and blablabla" I prefer now to read all of this while keeping a little distance!

But Laughing, hell yes, that no one can take away!

George Carlin ranks number one on my list!!!!

[LisAlien]

Yourself.

The 'truth' we seek can't be measured, photographed or tested so it's my belief we need to: extrapolate, dissect, deduce, derive, process and consider all you hear because truth is as unique as the listener.

[RMorgan]

Hey Jagman,

Hard thing to answer. It may sound too much new-agey, but I´d say this person is you.

What is credibility in the Alternative Community and Media? Mostly, a bunch of credible persons borrowing their own credibility to each other.

The real credibility comes from balance. Don´t claim nothing you can´t prove; One can make bold claims, as long as he has solid materials to back them up, otherwise, it´s just speculation.

Credibility in the Alternative Community comes from exploring all possibilities, using the full power of the intellect, to create alternative theories that may or not be right. The persons with real credibility in this scenario are the ones who believe everything while, at the same time, are suspicious about everything.

A man with credibility, for me, is the one who shows his research material in an unbiased way and has no fear of assuming that he might be wrong.

However, this rule is not applied to this scenario. Some people claim things they can´t prove, but they make alliances with other people who also claim things that they can´t prove, so they start backing up each other and BOOM; They have instant credibility. There´s a bunch of people out there claiming to know the absolute truth and still have the so called credibility.

So, the very meaning of the world credibility can be distorted very easily.

I´d look for the term "wise", which is much better. Wise men are humble, unbiased, very intelligent, very investigative and very creative. A wise man don´t claim to be right about anything; He just shows his work the best way he can, and let people decide about it, without using any tactics to interfere with people´s decision.

Unfortunately, the alternative scene is full of very assertive sentences, like They do that! They did this! They will do that! They are planning this! Like everyone is trying to impose their own personal view of the world to the rest of us. This is a characteristic of bad journalism.

Good journalism is when you gather the facts, show them to the public without the interference of your own opinion, and just let people judge, let people connect the dots.

Cheers,

Raf.

[GCS1103]

I like Rich Dolan. He lacks the enormous ego that I see in many of the speakers I have met at conferences and conventions. He states his facts in his books and never tries to "one up" another speaker who is on stage with him. That alone sets him apart from about 90% of the other guys.

[wolf_rt]

I can't believe i didn't include my favorite news source www.cryptogon.com run by Kevin Flaherty

I'm so used to looking at it that i didn't even consider it alternative...

[jorr lundstrom]

I am. But it doesnt say much, cos Im the one who have fooled me throughout

my life. But Im the only one accountable for my perception of and my conclusions

about the world Im percieving. LOL


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/verlevare-1.jpg

[jagman]

I had to sleep on my own question last night. To me, This is a hard question to answer. There are so many voices out there, Telling us so many
different scenarios of whats happening in our world. IMHO, I think Rich Dolan is a good choice for me. I have enjoyed reading your responses.
And I think its important to take the proverbial temperature of Avalon from time to time.

[Mark]

Credo Mutwah. Lisa Renee. Bobby Hemmitt. Dan Winters. Delbert Blair. Christine Day.

[Logan]

I could listen to Credo Mutwa speak for days.

[crested-duck]

Joseph P Farrell/Richard Dolan/Grahaam Hancock -They appear/seem to have put a tremendous amount of research into their own respected writings and subjects . Why is it some books have to be classified as fiction or TPTB will not let them be printed anyway ?? Gee I also wonder why the bibles are'nt classified as fiction too-- No surprise finding out who owns the printing industry.

[Virgo]

John David Van Hove. Michael Tsarion. Ronald MacDonald. David Icke. George Gordon. Ron Paul.

[ghostrider]

john lear, Bob Dean, Jordan Maxwell, Bob Lazar take your pick. down the rabbit hole you go. Jordan Maxwell interviewed by Bill Ryan if I had to pick just one. solid information explored from all angles..

[hardrock]

No one. It's vastly too complex and compartmentalized for anyone to know much for a fact. People lie - All the time and for myriad reasons. When your told to "follow your inner voice or feeling" or to disseminate info yourself, it's really a cop out for "We Don't Know Either". There is really no way to validate much of anything. It can be overwhelmingly negative at times, that's when I take a step back and do other things. Sometimes I think this whole thing is just a distraction from more productive ventures but I can't turn away from it, it gnaws at me. The reason I stay here is the glimmer of positive energy exhibited by the majority. I have hope that the human race is not all negative and dark and that the positive energy is necessary to maintain a balance. Currently, I feel humanity as a whole is out of balance and we need to turn this around.

[Davy]

I would have to say Alex Jones, As He is a go getter and everyday has new information to the real happenings with our corrupt fowl government and world. I check his site everyday and always find something new. I love his passion and for those who don't like his style, well passion is what is needed to wake some of the sheeple up! I also have high respects, for David Wilcock, Kerry Cassidy, Bill Ryan and and many others so it is hard to only name one.

[TargeT]

your pick and a brief summary of why you find him or her the most Credible?

Look in the mirror, you are the only one that matters.

Listen to your intuition, go with what feels right &/or makes the most sense.

www.triviumeducation.com

You don't need an external sourse :)

[mountain_jim]

I like Rich Dolan. He lacks the enormous ego that I see in many of the speakers I have met at conferences and conventions. He states his facts in his books and never tries to "one up" another speaker who is on stage with him. That alone sets him apart from about 90% of the other guys.

Also my vote. The quality of his research speaks for itself. Plus remember Bill, when rating sources as to truth content, rating him at 100% as I recall.

[Semnyi]

mipham.com Earth Protector, The Sakyong Jamgon Mipham Rinpoche.
Ive met his Majesty, Universal Monarch, Natural Hierarchy.

[Fred259]

No one. It's vastly too complex and compartmentalized for anyone to know much for a fact. People lie - All the time and for myriad reasons. When your told to "follow your inner voice or feeling" or to disseminate info yourself, it's really a cop out for "We Don't Know Either". There is really no way to validate much of anything. It can be overwhelmingly negative at times, that's when I take a step back and do other things. Sometimes I think this whole thing is just a distraction from more productive ventures but I can't turn away from it, it gnaws at me. The reason I stay here is the glimmer of positive energy exhibited by the majority. I have hope that the human race is not all negative and dark and that the positive energy is necessary to maintain a balance. Currently, I feel humanity as a whole is out of balance and we need to turn this around.

Classy post Hardrock, your thoughts and wise words remind me of this picture.

Paradigm Shift …….ooops Google Search 18,600,000 results in 0.12 seconds….. now you know who your real friends are.............


http://www.paradigmshiftmagazine.com/


12115

[Arrowwind]

Alex Jones, Dr. Robert Rowan, Dr. Howenstein, Ron Paul, Dahli Lama, Ernest Holms and of course, me. ;)

[Kristin]

Richard Dolan.
Wormhole

[jagman]

I just wanted to thank you Avalon. I know that some of you disagreed with the premise of my original thread and thats OK
We can agree to disagree and be adults about it. This is an important question to me, Has i'm sure its important to other members here.
I know there are members here, Who are much further down their spiritual path,Than I, Who probably could have compared my question to spam!
But has the old master Newton said" Nature loves simplicity."

[Cartomancer]

I dig Jim Marrs, Michael Tsarion, Jordan Maxwell. Joseph Farrell, and Mary Hardy.

[Mike]

John Keel (a pioneer. personal hero of mine, now dead)
Wade Frazier(doesn't get any more credible, in my opinion)
Bill Ryan(perfect combo of intellect, pragmatism, and spiritual base)
David Icke(always walk away from his interviews impressed. courageous, very)
Duncan O'Finoan( one of the only whistle-blowers that doesn't have a huge question mark over his head imo. tough as nails)

[Taurean]

Max Igan talks a lot of sense about the real practical issues we are going to have to face up to. ------- Community !

[HORIZONS]

Carmody. :smokin:

Also, The Author, if you know who he is and what he wrote. I shouldn't talk about it here.

Good one! I have posted many of The Author's observations on here since I first came aboard - even used to have an M5 thread on Avalon 1 before it switched over to this new Avalon site - but there is not much interest on his perspective, as they are way to challenging to the personal loops of the game we find ourselves in. (what does that tell you?)
That being said: I say trust in your higher self - there is no one more credible than that!!!

[MMA_Fan]

Graham Hancock, Joe Rogan, and Bill Ryan

[greybeard]

Marcel Messing speaks to Freedom Central about the state of the planet, the dark agenda, human manipulation by ET's and the awakening.
There are 11 parts on u tube but he covers so much its well worth watching all of it.
For me he is the most credible person.

Bill interviewed him too here http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?353-Marcel-Messing&p=1513&viewfull=1#post1513




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Iwys0gDTqrI

[Corncrake]

This is a difficult one as so many people have added pieces to the jigsaw puzzle but I would have to name Wade Frazier whose website - A Healed Planet - is a mine of information and appears inherently honourable but who probably wouldn't like to see his name here! Also his friend Brian O'Leary - both of these people seem to have little or no ego. Also, as time goes on Richard Dolan is proving to be informative and reliable.

[TargeT]

-

Carmody. :smokin:

Also, The Author, if you know who he is and what he wrote. I shouldn't talk about it here.

Good one! I have posted many of The Author's observations on here since I first came aboard - even used to have an M5 thread on Avalon 1 before it switched over to this new Avalon site - but there is not much interest on his perspective, as they are way to challenging to the personal loops of the game we find ourselves in. (what does that tell you?)
That being said: I say trust in your higher self - there is no one more credible than that!!!

Could you PM me a link or two to get started? thats a vert ambigous search "the author"... haha

[kersley]

Credo Mutwah. Lisa Renee. Bobby Hemmitt. Dan Winters. Delbert Blair. Christine Day.

Don't get me wrong.. But how do you know the names you listed is credible??? Credo is one of my fav,, I just love the man.. I'm just curious why you listed him and the others..
Cheers

[Belle]

Does it have to be limited to a living person known as part of the alternative community?

For me it's Bill Hicks...made me laugh while exposing truth til his dying day. It's just a ride.....

[sargeist]

based on my own personal experiences, the person i find most credible is tom montalk

there are others, but you only asked for one.

[slipknotted]

no one as of late !

[trenairio]

Dolan, unsure of Icke's work :confused:

[mosquito]

Good idea Jagman, but not so easy to answer, hmmmmmm. I suppose it depends on how you define alternative, and I think one should also bear in mind that even the best people get it wrong sometimes.

I'd go with - David Icke, Graham Hancock, Wade Frazier, George Carlin AND .........

Jesus (but not his followers)

[Mark]

Please Do not attack fellow Avalon Members, Who post ppl that you disagree with!!!
Please, Just your pick and a brief summary of why you find him or her the most Credible?



Credo Mutwah. Lisa Renee. Bobby Hemmitt. Dan Winters. Delbert Blair. Christine Day.

Don't get me wrong.. But how do you know the names you listed is credible??? Credo is one of my fav,, I just love the man.. I'm just curious why you listed him and the others..
Cheers

You should ask everyone in the thread that question.

[Rantaak]

Carmody. :smokin:

Also, The Author, if you know who he is and what he wrote. I shouldn't talk about it here.

Good one! I have posted many of The Author's observations on here since I first came aboard - even used to have an M5 thread on Avalon 1 before it switched over to this new Avalon site - but there is not much interest on his perspective, as they are way to challenging to the personal loops of the game we find ourselves in. (what does that tell you?)
That being said: I say trust in your higher self - there is no one more credible than that!!!

Indeed, he writes the way he does for a very good reason. Glad to hear there are other M5 readers in this community! That book straight up de-congested many of my lifelong doubts, essentially curing me of assumed schizophrenia.



Jesus (but not his followers)

He messed up pretty bad last time, ended up being crucified and all. Not the son of god in my opinion, just a particularly well-traveled individual. He's back right now, actually, in a different incarnation. He still lives among the people, though his identity is relatively obscured. I think he has a slightly different approach now that he's learned from his past mistakes. He won't save anyone, he's just there to unwind certain notions and predispositions so that the people can save themselves.

[jagman]

Thanks Chris for the Marcel Messing video. I watched all 11 parts and He is a very intriguing Individual!
I will have to watch it again in the morning. There was a lot of info to digest I am also researching other names
That have been thrown out on this thread. It appears I have a lot of home work to do.

[DreamsInDigital]

For me, among others. Alex Collier really sticks out as the most credible. But, I probably sound pretty biased at this point, it's not without several years of research and consideration that I say this.

[G.A]

Manly Palmer Hall.
Many hours of his lectures available on youtube.

[VaughnB]

Here are a few of my picks:
12129Gabor Maté A sought-after speaker and seminar leader, he is a regular columnist for the Vancouver Sun and the Globe and Mail and has authored four books: In The Realm of Hungry Ghosts: Close Encounters With Addiction, Hold on to Your Kids: Why Parents Need to Matter More Than Peers (co-authored with developmental psychologist Gordon Neufeld), When the Body Says No: The Cost of Hidden Stress, and Scattered Minds: A New Look at the Origins and Healing of Attention Deficit Disorder. The latter two have become bestsellers, translated into nine languages.

12127Howard Zinn in his classic A People's History of the United States and Eric Foner in The Story of American Freedom, have chronicled the story of America's utopians, radicals and reformers.

12128Peter Joseph (born 1978, North Carolina, USA) is an American independent filmmaker. He has written, directed, narrated, scored and produced three non-commercial, self-produced and freely-distributed documentary films called Zeitgeist: The Movie, Zeitgeist: Addendum and Zeitgeist: Moving Forward.

For a listing of 11 of the most influential progressives of the Twentieth Century see: (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/Gabor%20Mat%C3%83%C2%A9%20A%20sought-after%20speaker%20and%20seminar%20leader,%20he%20is%20a%20regular%20columnist%20for%20the%20Vancouve r%20Sun%20and%20the%20Globe%20and%20Mail%20and%20has%20authored%20four%20books:%20In%20The%20Realm%2 0of%20Hungry%20Ghosts:%20Close%20Encounters%20With%20Addiction,%20Hold%20on%20to%20Your%20Kids:%20Wh y%20Parents%20Need%20to%20Matter%20More%20Than%20Peers%20%28co-authored%20with%20developmental%20psychologist%20Gordon%20Neufeld%29,%20When%20the%20Body%20Says%20N o:%20The%20Cost%20of%20Hidden%20Stress,%20and%20Scattered%20Minds:%20A%20New%20Look%20at%20the%20Ori gins%20and%20Healing%20of%20Attention%20Deficit%20Disorder.%20The%20latter%20two%20have%20become%20b estsellers,%20translated%20into%20nine%20languages.%20%20Howard%20Zinn%20in%20his%20classic%20A%20Pe ople%27s%20History%20of%20the%20United%20States%20and%20Eric%20Foner%20in%20The%20Story%20of%20Ameri can%20Freedom,%20have%20chronicled%20the%20story%20of%20America%27s%20utopians,%20radicals%20and%20r eformers.%20%20Peter%20Joseph%20%28born%201978,%20North%20Carolina,%20USA%29%20is%20an%20American%20 independent%20filmmaker.%20He%20has%20written,%20directed,%20narrated,%20scored%20and%20produced%20t hree%20non-commercial,%20self-produced%20and%20freely-distributed%20documentary%20films%20called%20Zeitgeist:%20The%20Movie,%20Zeitgeist:%20Addendum%20and %20Zeitgeist:%20Moving%20Forward.)

[mgray]

I like and trust Richard Dolan and his reasoned approach and research-based information. He puts the footwork into what he says. Even though Pete Peterson gave one interview and was gone I believed he had volumes to say and wish we had some follow up from him.

[sandy]

Wade Frazier for sure as he doesn't play games, has deep integrity, demonstrates humility, shares his heart and intellect in a balanced way and presents the most comprehensive history and education on the scarcity paradigm of anyone presently walking the earth IMHO.

He presents factual information as well as his life experience in an easy to read format, it is soul resonating, energy lifting and the relevance of truth cannot be denied. He is spiritual, mystic believing and a visionary too Boot!!

He more than many others truly understands the conundrum of why we do not have Free Energy, why it is suppressed and how we are all responsible for this suppression and IMO the suppression of civilization for eons.

[ponda]

i tend to give a fair bit of credibility to any researcher/insider/spokesperson who has been ostracized or ignored by the establishment or had their character attacked and ridiculed by the mainstream or generally had some type of interference from the system/matrix.i don't think that these attacks etc are all just pure coincidence.Then there are the people who speak out and then are physically injured or worse.i pay close attention to all of these researchers.This isn't to say that some alternative researchers who don't necessarily suffer a lot of interference don't have some good information or truth but they might approach these topics in a certain way that garners them more protection or less unwanted attention.

Then there are the more mainstream researchers who don't seem to get as much harassment but sometimes 'appear' to have more 'possible' and also "unintentional" disinfo.It is difficult to conclusively prove much of the alternative information that comes out so everyone should be treated with due respect and discernment always.We should also be grateful to all of these folks who give so much of their time and energy so everyone else can have the luxury of reading/watching/listening to their work

[Watching from Cyprus]

Hey Rantaak,

Are you referring to the Irish Carmody family ?
Please PM me since i am interested to know who you refer too, thanks.

Regards and Merry Christmas
Peter

[Valley]

Steven Greer: I will expound upon all my reasons in a future post
:rain:

[Mulder]

There is not one person. It depends on the subject you're interested in e.g. Reptilians would be David Icke, US Govt conspiricies is Jesse Ventura, Psychopaths would be Thomas Sheridan...

[toothpick]

Hi Jagman, great idea for a thread, man.
Bill Ryan for starters, wouldn,t be here if not for his integrty, extensive knowledge of all subjects being discussed, probably the makings of a fairly decent leader in so many areas. On a personal note I know that if not for Bill and Kerry and thier concept of camelot and eventually avalon really pulled me in and made me pay attention to what was really going on in our world, will be forever grateful.
Graham Hancock, I admire alot because this man spent 10 years at least doing his own extensive research on diving countless times on the under water pyramidal structures in the sea just off Japan. You have to love a man that does all his own research., a very wise impressive man. He also climbed the largest pyramid at Giza 4 times, twice ending up in jail for his troubles. Graham said he could feel energies while on top of pyramd, absolutely fascinating.
Then he proceded to do all his own intensive studes with real Shamans from the amazon on the effects of the halucinagenic drug, hyahwasca, which is said to help in his study of attaining complete consciosness, or, should I say in his trying to understand conciousness. so he endured numerous very high trips on this shamanc brew and thinks he succeded in better understanding conscousness, but was very taxing on his body. One more thing; Graham is under the distinct impresson that the human race, such as it is, is a species that unfortunetly has amnesia and has had it along time. how could we have forgotten our own history, hard to be sure, catastrophy on a global scale, manipulaton of dna many times over milenia, i mean we do not have access to the higher thinking area,s of our brain, why the heck not? Anyway love this very well spoken man who is also a word smith and an excellant adventurer.
Klaus Dona an art expert who had alot of musem contacts word wide and used those contacts to set up some mind blowng ancient artifacts exibits and videos. facinating stuff and we would have never seen any of these museum secrets if not for Klaus Dona, got to love it.
Ducan O'finian certainly seems very able and willng to tell the truth and damn the consequences, got to respct that.
Many more, too many, I would be going on forever.
Thanks to all you contributors of information for us all to soak up.

[bennycog]

and who is the most authentic person to bring the most credible sources out into the wide open for the the rest of the world to see...
can we cross our fingers for Ron Paul?

[DoubleHelix]

A couple off the top of my head - Graham Hancock, Max Igan and Matias De Stefano.

I find many of the others succumb to conjecture, wild speculation and the involvement of unnecessary drama.

[motherlove]

"Who is the most credible person in the alternative community?" I think many peoples hearts are in the right place but does that make them credible or does that make them eager to present their perspective? Would you come to the same conclusions if you had the same facts? Belief is a powerful force for good or not so good. I am very careful where I place mine. Best Wishes

[gdiggs]

There is no one I feel I agree with fully and I don't believe anyone has the full picture. All I can do is take on board what resonates personally and easily discard that which doesn't. Many people have interesting things to say from which make up the ever shifting mosaic of my worldview.

The voice that has spoken to me, personally, the loudest however is Robert Anton Wilson.

edit: Possibly even more on topic. He doesn't seem to be mentioned often, but Tom Montalk definitely opened my eyes to quite a few possibilities. I find there is a real depth and clarity to the research behind the ideas he has presented.

[jagman]

Hi Jagman, great idea for a thread, man.
Bill Ryan for starters, wouldn,t be here if not for his integrty, extensive knowledge of all subjects being discussed, probably the makings of a fairly decent leader in so many areas. On a personal note I know that if not for Bill and Kerry and thier concept of camelot and eventually avalon really pulled me in and made me pay attention to what was really going on in our world, will be forever grateful.
Graham Hancock, I admire alot because this man spent 10 years at least doing his own extensive research on diving countless times on the under water pyramidal structures in the sea just off Japan. You have to love a man that does all his own research., a very wise impressive man. He also climbed the largest pyramid at Giza 4 times, twice ending up in jail for his troubles. Graham said he could feel energies while on top of pyramd, absolutely fascinating.
Then he proceded to do all his own intensive studes with real Shamans from the amazon on the effects of the halucinagenic drug, hyahwasca, which is said to help in his study of attaining complete consciosness, or, should I say in his trying to understand conciousness. so he endured numerous very high trips on this shamanc brew and thinks he succeded in better understanding conscousness, but was very taxing on his body. One more thing; Graham is under the distinct impresson that the human race, such as it is, is a species that unfortunetly has amnesia and has had it along time. how could we have forgotten our own history, hard to be sure, catastrophy on a global scale, manipulaton of dna many times over milenia, i mean we do not have access to the higher thinking area,s of our brain, why the heck not? Anyway love this very well spoken man who is also a word smith and an excellant adventurer.
Klaus Dona an art expert who had alot of musem contacts word wide and used those contacts to set up some mind blowng ancient artifacts exibits and videos. facinating stuff and we would have never seen any of these museum secrets if not for Klaus Dona, got to love it.
Ducan O'finian certainly seems very able and willng to tell the truth and damn the consequences, got to respct that.
Many more, too many, I would be going on forever.
Thanks to all you contributors of information for us all to soak up.

I agree with you about Graham Hancock, I find his work quite fascinating!
He is one of my favorite speakers.

[aranuk]

David Icke

Stan

[jagman]

David Icke

Stan

Stan I plan on watching everything I can on Icke. He is quickly becoming
an Icon in the alt. comm...

[aranuk]

Jagman he is in my mind a True Hero. I watched on live BBCtv where he was a laughing stock on Wogan. I felt the same as him as i watched this brave man. NOW he is packing out stadiums. He now makes more sense than ANY OF the politicians in Britain.

Stan

[noxon medem]

.....

You are

.....