At death - Soul Captive or not!

[Deega]

Hi everyone,

I’ve been thinking for a while now as to what happened at death…! With our last breath, does our soul is held captive by the creator of our being?, or what seems to you to be the path the soul follows…? May you share your thoughts on this?

As we all know our soul is part of our energy (consciousness, awareness, etc.), and when this energy field retract from our body at death, consciousness seems to follow a path of light to an almighty place.

The author Anton Park tell of a celestial family that we are a part of and members of that family help one in his journey to selfrighteousness, love, etc., to uplift their standing to the family level. New Agers tell of the light we follow and helpers (angels) come to debrief, and help in the pursuit of the soul development, and surely, other religions have similar soul journey.

I invite Avalon Members to share their thoughts on this venue. What do you think is the path of the soul at death? Where do you think we go to? What is expected of us ? Is our soul held captive somehow, and for what…?

Many thanks for sharing your thoughts on this difficult subject.

Deega

[Kindred]

At the risk of being excessively repetitive, I do suggest the following reading:
http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng.html

I wish to emphasize, this is NOT SCIENCE FICTION.

You can read the entire book online, or you can download a pdf of the book a short way down on the left, titled "here", just above a pencil drawing of a woman's face.

and, some follow-up information:
http://www.thiaoouba.com/faq.htm
http://nujournal.net/choice.html
http://bioresonant.com/news.htm

Here you will learn that the 'soul', also known as the 'astral body', is indeed a real entity, comprised of billions upon trillions of electrons (photons) that 'move on' upon death. It is Never 'held captive'... upon our 'meeting', we Fully Realize Everything relative to our many lives, what we've learned Spiritually, and, then We Decide our 'next' life in a way that advances our Spiritual development. Certainly, there is Much More...

I would beg to counter... this is not that difficult a subject, unless one has been filled with deceptions about our true nature, and why we exist, never mind the fear of death that is instilled from birth. We need to recognize that death is merely the transition from one manifestation (Experience) to another, all for the development of our Spirit.

The simplest answer is that each of us is a part of Source, which seeks to understand Itself, through Experience at the physical level...
and beyond.

In Unity and Peace

[Deega]

Thanks Kindred, great of you to have in links that we may looked.

http://www.galactic-server.net/rune/thaoeng.html - this one, I had the pleasure of reading, fascinating, interesting, Yes! Michel Desmarquet had quite an impressive experience. I have read the synthesis on the Website.

You said that the soul is the astral body, would it be partially true?, if we consider that, in Reiki, I have learned that there is many other bodies.

• Etheric Body
• Mental Body
• Emotional Body
• Spiritual Body
• Astral Body
• Celestial Body

http://www.thiaoouba.com/faq.htm – Yes!, interesting also, material technology will have us under if we don’t integrate the spiritual development, also a good reference.

http://nujournal.net/choice.html - information transfers between electrons that yet cannot be measure by our scientific community, we have a long way to go, interesting link also, will continue reading on this one.

http://bioresonant.com/news.htm - the author lets us know that Global Warming is more heating (molten core) coming from the Earth than atmospheric heat.


“I would beg to counter... this is not that difficult a subject, unless one has been filled with deceptions about our true nature, and why we exist, never mind the fear of death that is instilled from birth. We need to recognize that death is merely the transition from one manifestation (Experience) to another, all for the development of our Spirit”. Happy for you to understand this process easily.

[/URL]In [url]http://www.energyreality.com/pgs/7lev.htm (http://www.energyreality.com/pgs/7lev.htm),
you will find "The 7 Primary Levels of Energy of Our Reality with Integration of Other Systems", interesting also.

Deega

[Kindred]

[/URL]In [url]http://www.energyreality.com/pgs/7lev.htm (http://www.energyreality.com/pgs/7lev.htm),
you will find "The 7 Primary Levels of Energy of Our Reality with Integration of Other Systems", interesting also.

Deega

That's a great link! Thanks! Now.. More Reading! :cool:

[Rosco1]

Some food for thought here...


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[trenairio]

http://www.nderf.org/Israel.htm

The least you can get out of life is to endure and try to resolve any kharma without a self-induced ignorance or physical death, prolonging your life to try to make as much as a difference in other's lives to your own potential.

[Hughe]

Soul will be contained within the soul memory. It's existence probably immortal or very long. But being programmed or hijacked memory by collective the soul will repeat same choices till it becomes break free from the system.

I can assure people who are so stuck in religious belief will experience the non-physical realm injected into their memory during previous life time. Some deceased people's soul couldn't accept they were dead and afraid of starting new journey because those souls had no idea what to do in other realm. Ghosts which stuck in one spot is fine example of undeveloped souls: they are locked in specific space-time continuum.

Off-world entities can manipulate naive souls like humans pretty well. Following the light is good? I doubt it. You follow the light, be born again as a human baby on unpleasant Earth. "Damn, again!!" It's too late. The heavy curtain comes down, loose the previous memory and start uncertain human life for the system.

[RedeZra]

look to testimonies of near-death experiences

and see what they say

[realitycorrodes]

***Warning - what follows is code - "if focused on" may be harmful to one's existence.
If one feels special/chosen in anyway and prefers to remain feeling special then...
the manufacturer advises against reading it!

How do we decide who is an authority on this? If we don't know - why not just admit it. If one applies logic to all the evidence, there are many ways that the information can be deceiving and not based upon fact. However, the desire to want to hear something good will always manipulate us into believing unsubstantiated material. There is a whole astral world available to us inside our subconscious - but does that holographic world end when the organic computer containing the simulator (the brain) decays and returns to dust? What are we anyway? Memory. How does the memory on a computer game work - can it be deleted? Can it be transferred to one computer to another? Is this permanent? We feel special about memory that allows us to reexperience "emotional memories" - if anyone else accessed those emotional memories they too would assume them to be theirs, if not them? (reincarnation) How easy would it be to deceive characters in a virtual reality? We have no access to prior memory -hardly seems fair! What about the lessons we egotistically think we are learning? Could they not be coded into the virtual reality character? - effectively rendering the lessons pointless in terms of learning - but perhaps in terms of entertainment (pleasurable or painful) there may be a reason to indulge in them! All lessons within the program are only meaningful within the confines of the program. If one was to experience another program (different code) then the data (memory) from the other program may or may not be useful. It only takes a small amount of imagination to see that if we keep experienceing the same (simple/painful/pointless) experiences then we are confined to one "simple program". My apologies, these are extrapolations based on memory - otherwise called "imagination".


What kind of truth can be found in an illusion(virtual reality)? An Illusionary Truth

How to become the programmer? Instead of the program.

Fearlessness.

[Dawn]

RealityCorrodes, thanks for that. Here's the thing, we really have a separate identity while we are here. And 'near death' is not the same as 'death'. Therefore someone going through 'near death' is not likely to be a reliable witness for actual death. In the Tibetan Book of the Dead there is much talk about the various stages of death and how difficult it is for the deceased in some of these phases. In particular there is mention that the dead one wanders thirsty, hungry and bereft for an unknown amount of time, because there is no time in those dimensions.

Recently I was gifted with this link: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon Here's a short excerpt:

....upon death the physical body returns to the earth but the soul essence, the astral and etheric energies sloughed off by the evacuating spirit, float toward and deposit themselves upon the moon. This comes with the dissolution of the body’s mechanical center.

I have many past life recalls, but are they really 'my' past lives, or are they lives that have left patterns in human consciousness which I can access?

I like the answers given in the first few posts, they are light, fun and hopeful of retaining a separate identity. I wouldn't mind if they were true, but honestly... how can a part of the creation itself need to be educated? Why would an omnipresent being need to go to school? It is more likely that such stories are made up by our mind, which loves to think of itself as separate and special.

That drop of creation that we are, when the ego is removed, is like a hologram of the entire radiant being that is in everything. It needs nothing added or taken away. Perhaps the great being, that we are all a part of, is experimenting with evolving into something in this reality. I could buy into the idea of evolving and experimenting... but learning lessons?... just doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not saying I know the answer here... in fact, I've had experiences that could lead me to conclusions either way. I am full of questions.

When I meditate, I realize that I actually am more like the vastness of space, infinite in time, space and power. Yet in this realization, there is absolutely no sense of a separate me. If we think we are the little separate self that is our main experience here when we are living our lives, then death might be a very rude awakening.

In understand that many teachers such as Yogananda, say that you must practice death so that you can experience it with ease and grace. And the way to do that, is to mediate. Meditation allows you to experience who you are without any separate self in the way, which is what death is like. You can practice this while you are still alive until you develop ease and comfort with the loss of 'your' identity and realize that you never were separate at all.

[realitycorrodes]

I appreciate your honesty Dawn - a rare commodity IMHO (denial is very popular these days lol - what with the daily updates freely downloadable). I really enjoy communicating with those who are open to letting go / disattaching from every belief they have ever held. It seems ironical that what we believe may affect our "Near Death Experiences" as opposed to our "actual death" experience(s). What would happen if at death we flicked from belief to belief - like flicking from channel to channel on our "Tragic Lanterns" (Televisions)?

[Mulder]

Since the body becomes 22 grams lighter upon death, the soul clearly leaves the body. I just hope there's more places for the soul to go than heaven or hell.

[Deega]

Soul will be contained within the soul memory. It's existence probably immortal or very long. But being programmed or hijacked memory by collective the soul will repeat same choices till it becomes break free from the system.

I can assure people who are so stuck in religious belief will experience the non-physical realm injected into their memory during previous life time. Some deceased people's soul couldn't accept they were dead and afraid of starting new journey because those souls had no idea what to do in other realm. Ghosts which stuck in one spot is fine example of undeveloped souls: they are locked in specific space-time continuum.

Off-world entities can manipulate naive souls like humans pretty well. Following the light is good? I doubt it. You follow the light, be born again as a human baby on unpleasant Earth. "Damn, again!!" It's too late. The heavy curtain comes down, loose the previous memory and start uncertain human life for the system.

Thanks Hughe for your response.


“Soul will be contained within the soul memory. It's existence probably immortal or very long. But being programmed or hijacked memory by collective the soul will repeat same choices till it becomes break free from the system”.

May you share, was this information given to you by a coach, family, or else? Or it’s a theory that you had the pleasure to learn in time and if so, may you share what; “being; that which is" or ontology of this credo?

Thanks again for your contribution to this tread.

Deega

[Deega]

Thanks Dawn, how interesting, loved it!


“And 'near death' is not the same as 'death'. Therefore someone going through 'near death' is not likely to be a reliable witness for actual death”.

Yes!, very intriguing and I'm on the same thought process. I was thinking that what is at stake for NDE can’t be the same as real death! I would think that many have extrapolated from NDE as being what we should expect after the real deal..!


Recently I was gifted with this link: http://montalk.net/matrix/114/food-for-the-moon

Thanks to share this interesting link, I’ll be reading.


Here's a short excerpt:
....upon death the physical body returns to the earth but the soul essence, the astral and etheric energies sloughed off by the evacuating spirit, float toward and deposit themselves upon the moon. This comes with the dissolution of the body’s mechanical center.

How interesting!, in reading Gurdjieff in the Website, I find it intriguing, thought provoking that the electromagnetic field of the moon and the Eight Sphere would siphoned out our soul upon death…!, hmm!, since it was given by a Master to his disciples, it would have interesting standing…! But, I was thinking, how may the moon electromagnetic forces and the Eight Sphere siphon out our soul, since the Earth magnetic forces are more powerful than the moon one…? What is to come…, we are lucky to be part of it.


I have many past life recalls, but are they really 'my' past lives, or are they lives that have left patterns in human consciousness which I can access?

I also had the pleasure reconnecting, with apparently, my last two past lives. After the experience, I had in mind that my imagination had played a trick on me. Even today, I feel that this experience stills live with me, I'm not sure if I want to reconnect with it though!


how can a part of the creation itself need to be educated?

May you tell what you are inferring to, and as you know, in our system, we are always on continued education, don’t we ?


I could buy into the idea of evolving and experimenting... but learning lessons?... just doesn't make sense to me.

Yes!, I concur with this on the spiritual plane but we have to experienced in the physical plane and there, it’s continued experimenting, learning!


I'm not saying I know the answer here... in fact, I've had experiences that could lead me to conclusions either way. I am full of questions.

Yes!, and loved it that way!

Thanks again, very interesting points and link.

Your point of view may help built a knowledge-based on this important subject.

Deega

[realitycorrodes]

You seek out a guru, a teacher, a leader, political or other, only when you are confused. Otherwise you never follow anybody. If you are very clear, if you are inwardly a light unto yourself, you will never follow anyone. But because you are not, you follow; you follow out of your confusion, and what you follow must also be confused. Your leaders as well as yourself are confused, politically and religiously. Therefore, first clear up your own confusion, become a light unto yourself, and then the problem will cease.

Jiddu Krishnamurti

[Deega]

I appreciate your honesty Dawn - a rare commodity IMHO (denial is very popular these days lol - what with the daily updates freely downloadable). I really enjoy communicating with those who are open to letting go / disattaching from every belief they have ever held. It seems ironical that what we believe may affect our "Near Death Experiences" as opposed to our "actual death" experience(s). What would happen if at death we flicked from belief to belief - like flicking from channel to channel on our "Tragic Lanterns" (Televisions)?

Thanks Realitycorrodes,

If at death we flicked from belief to belief, hmm!, I’m not sure if the uncertainty would help, but I would add the following for discussion.

In our lifetime, we have had great moments as well as very difficult moments whereby we progressed along trying our best to hold on to our sacredness, living in a physical body in a duality world. During the great/difficult moments, we would have very high/low pick of energies that lived with us over the year, these were measure by our emotion to different levels. And what if we try to hold on a similar pattern with death?

Would it be possible to construct, while still alive, an energy pursue, a planned one that would hold our energies to a new venture that we would think of before death? What if at our last breath (real death), we try somehow to take our energy field, packed it all up together and fly to a new venture?
And what type of particular journey, one would planned for?, pursue love, light, new mission, etc., for sure! How may this happened…?, any opinion!

Thanks for your collaboration to this tread.

Deega

[Tarka the Duck]

You seek out a guru, a teacher, a leader, political or other, only when you are confused. Otherwise you never follow anybody. If you are very clear, if you are inwardly a light unto yourself, you will never follow anyone. But because you are not, you follow; you follow out of your confusion, and what you follow must also be confused. Your leaders as well as yourself are confused, politically and religiously. Therefore, first clear up your own confusion, become a light unto yourself, and then the problem will cease.

Jiddu Krishnamurti

An interesting viewpoint...are you talking about all areas of human existence here? Or is your opinion confined to spiritual matters?

Kathie

[Tony]

One can only know that one is not confused, when one recognises that one is confused.

May confusion dawn as wisdom.

[Tony]

If you do not find your teacher, you will go on your own sweet way.............................for a very long time!

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Oops...gone a bit off topic here :o

[Deega]

One can only know that one is not confused, when one recognises that one is confused.

May confusion dawn as wisdom.

Thanks Pie'n'eal,

Here is link to YouTube were a buddhist monk make a presentation (10 parts) on "May confusion dawn as wisdom", I don't know if you have look it up..?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYIrojcfqDs

Deega

[jorr lundstrom]

One can only know that one is not confused, when one recognises that one is confused.

May confusion dawn as wisdom.

Wow, youre giving me hope man, thank you.

[realitycorrodes]

Hi Deega

I don't know.

I have the feeling that anything is possible in the astral - so a scenario of what you speak of may indeed be possible within the astral. In other words the astral can (if one desperately wants to believe) create the illusion that one has transcended it (the astral) to higher levels. I speculate that the astral is part of this - part of the program - and depending on one's viewpoint can be seen to prevent one from realising that they are not beyond the program - a trap maybe. Or it can be seen as the penultimate god like experience were one becomes the ultimate creator - which I wonder, is actually the real agenda behind most people's spirituality? Not IMHO an authentically spiritual motive. lol


The problem I suspect has something to do with the ego - the feeling that one is special - one needs to separate oneself from the whole in order to feel special. Only when one is special can one create the illusion(no matter how real that illusion may be) that they are a god.lol

There are no rights and wrongs..... The truth is everything IMHO.

Brutal honesty(aimed at oneself) is an awesome way...but not for the faint heart. lol

[realitycorrodes]

Hi Kathie,

I don't know (unfortuntely)!

They were krishnamurti's words. I can only speculate at their meaning from my memories (experiences which I feel to be mine lol)

If the holgraphic nature of reality is true....then everything can be known from within oneself....as such no external teacher is required.

I get the feeling this is quite a responsibility to take on and requires that one becomes "fearless".

Hence many who are not ready to take responsibility will in the meantime play the "Guru Disciple Game" lol.

I do suspect though that one can only play the "Guru Disciple Game" for so long before one needs another (denial) upgrade or decides to turn their awareness back in upon themselves.

The only thing most of us should know for sure is that "they are the beginning and end of all they experience"....why pretend their is anything more interesting than one's own awareness. Awareness focused in on awareness becomes holographic....a mirror reflecting an mirror - that goes on for infinity, maybe?

But as I say I don't know.

[Deega]

Realitycorrodes: I have the feeling that anything is possible in the astral - so a scenario of what you speak of may indeed be possible within the astral. In other words the astral can (if one desperately wants to believe) create the illusion that one has transcended it (the astral) to higher levels. I speculate that the astral is part of this - part of the program - and depending on one's viewpoint can be seen to prevent one from realising that they are not beyond the program - a trap maybe. Or it can be seen as the penultimate god like experience were one becomes the ultimate creator - which I wonder, is actually the real agenda behind most people's spirituality? Not IMHO an authentically spiritual motive. Lol

Thanks Realitycorrodes,
From your perspective, on that level, you see it possible, OK!, but you seem to hold some on the authenticity spiritual motive…!, rendering this particular less attractive, would that be it…?



The problem I suspect has something to do with the ego - the feeling that one is special - one needs to separate oneself from the whole in order to feel special. Only when one is special can one create the illusion(no matter how real that illusion may be) that they are a god.lol

IMHO, I think (my truth) that the soul, spirit is god like, but our body hold the limit on what we may achieve, so I would think that if we self construct an energetic paradigm where at death, that energy construct take hold, I think that it may work if the recall is made on our last breath, is it to illusionary, idealistic or on the realm of possibilities?



There are no rights and wrongs..... The truth is everything IMHO.

Yes!, I concur with this!



Brutal honesty(aimed at oneself) is an awesome way...but not for the faint heart.

This ain’t easy to everyone of us!

All the best to you.

Deega

[realitycorrodes]

Wanting to be a god is to do with wanting "power" over things.

Wanting power is rooted in fear.

Wanting power and being fearful is of the material world - and I tend to see the astral as material....ironically others see it has spiritual. It is just how I see it - does not mean I am right.

"Most people are playing power instead of realising that they are power!"

When one realises they are power they cease playing it. When one realises they are power there is nothing separate (from them) to be powerful over - and hence there is no fear!

Real power is a state of fearlessness.

[Dawn]

Would it be possible to construct, while still alive, an energy pursue, a planned one that would hold our energies to a new venture that we would think of before death? What if at our last breath (real death), we try somehow to take our energy field, packed it all up together and fly to a new venture?
And what type of particular journey, one would planned for?, pursue love, light, new mission, etc., for sure! How may this happened…?, any opinion!

Thanks for your collaboration to this tread....... Deega

Deega, I am not at the place where I have done this, however it is said that thousands of Taoist masters have achieved this through the focused endeavor of working with sexual energy. In fact, after a number of years (from 3-7) it is said that the Taoist master becomes 'pregnant' with his energy body, and that it is a palpable experience. Once pregnant, it takes about 20 years to give birth to this body, which can become immortal. Books by Mantauk Chia are very specific about this and you might start with his book: Cultivating Male Energy. However he also wrote many more books.

This has not been my path in this life... so I am just pointing you to someone who says he knows that this is possible and gives directions on how to do it.

[Deega]

Would it be possible to construct, while still alive, an energy pursue, a planned one that would hold our energies to a new venture that we would think of before death? What if at our last breath (real death), we try somehow to take our energy field, packed it all up together and fly to a new venture?
And what type of particular journey, one would planned for?, pursue love, light, new mission, etc., for sure! How may this happened…?, any opinion!

Thanks for your collaboration to this tread....... Deega

Deega, I am not at the place where I have done this, however it is said that thousands of Taoist masters have achieved this through the focused endeavor of working with sexual energy. In fact, after a number of years (from 3-7) it is said that the Taoist master becomes 'pregnant' with his energy body, and that it is a palpable experience. Once pregnant, it takes about 20 years to give birth to this body, which can become immortal. Books by Mantauk Chia are very specific about this and you might start with his book: Cultivating Male Energy. However he also wrote many more books.

This has not been my path in this life... so I am just pointing you to someone who says he knows that this is possible and gives directions on how to do it.

Thanks Dawn,

I downloaded it, oh!, what a beautiful gift this reference, I will not go this far, at least, I will read and take what is good for me.

All the best to you Dawn,

Deega

[Hughe]

@Deega

Bear in mind that my understanding about death is greatly influenced by alien materials. I tried meditation, past life regression, and lucid dream technique to see my past lives. I think I saw couple of my past lives. The funny thing was seeing past lives helped me getting rid of the fear of death but I realized there are much more than life after death.

The collective of humanity on Earth is early stage of intergalactic civilization. Most of people who die on Earth probably will be born again as human due to the confinement their soul in the collective. Within the collective of humanity, there exists many sub collectives - cultural, race type, regional. It's all mixed up.

Years ago I thought overcoming the fear of death will make me free being that has independent power to break the cycle of reincarnation on this miserable world, Earth. Later on I learned the world of souls is as complex as real world we are living in. There is a fascinating story by the Commander Sanni Ceto http://sanniceto.tripod.com/. She is a human and alien hybrid who has full memory recall of her previous life as one of the alien pilots who crashed at Rosewell.

Some advanced aliens do not die or they seemingly by pass life and death cycle due to their almost near immortal physical state. They don't have pathetic, fragile physical body like we do have. I think that's the final destiny of humanity in the long run. After going through all the experiences as life forms, we will be finally break free from physical, low energy efficient existence. Having a complete light body or moving into higher frequency range means distinction between non-physical or physical realm is obsolete.

Another thing is planet Earth created late stage of our universal history. Civilizations that started billions, hundred millions years ago created collectives that interconnected. People say we are drops of universal consciousness. I do agree with. We are co-creator of reality but the fact is we are like kids who play around for a decade. Imagine there are adults who have lived hundreds years already. While the kids uses toys on the ground, they run spaceships way above the sky. They can land on the ground by will at any given moment, i.e be born as a human or possess human body for specific reason, and take off.

Even after death most Earthling souls are grounded. Can a human soul who only knows about driving a car choose to pilot airplane or spacecraft? Suppose souls have sovereign free will, their choices are limited due to the overall circumstances. Collective karma, the invisible barrier that blocks the member moving forward.

My perspective is spirituality and science and technologies have to merge. We need both if humanity will like to advance as an intergalactic civilization. In free society souls will have less karmic punishment. Two realms probably are more transparent than here. A baby will be born with full memory recall never forgetting, the parents understand baby's destiny and roles.

Following the light after death seems to me "erase process" they create to control earthling souls to make sure new born babies will do what they are programmed to do for the system. Brilliant scheme. It's been half million years so far?

[Deega]

Thanks Hughe, very interesting your points of view.


“there are much more than life after death”.

I guess it’s a wonder, and we will be in the know when time come, I would guess that it must be within unlimited perspective similar to our imagination, large, incommensurable expectation!


“born again as human due to the confinement their soul in the collective”.

Is it what you find in the alien literature…?, if so, how interesting, may you share some more?


“break the cycle of reincarnation on this miserable world, Earth. Later on I learned the world of souls is as complex as real world we are living in”.

Two things here, if our Economic System was different, where the fundamental value that drive this system would be : valuation of human being, valuation of nature, valuation of life, air, water, Earth, fire instead of the actual fundamental value this is “profit”, I wonder if we would see our world “miserable”?, it would be a very different ball game…!

The second one, would you care to tell a little on the “world of souls”…?


“Some advanced aliens do not die or they seemingly by pass life and death cycle due to their almost near immortal physical state. They don't have pathetic, fragile physical body like we do have. I think that's the final destiny of humanity in the long run. After going through all the experiences as life forms, we will be finally break free from physical, low energy efficient existence. Having a complete light body or moving into higher frequency range means distinction between non-physical or physical realm is obsolete”.

Do you think that having a light body would make one happier, grandeur?, I wonder why (all would say to escape pain, suffering, poverty, etc.) it is that we are searching to reach higher dimensions to escape our 3rd one!, there must be obligations, responsibilities like in our 3rd dimension, wouldn’t you think…?


“Another thing is planet Earth created late stage of our universal history. Civilizations that started billions, hundred millions years ago created collectives that interconnected. People say we are drops of universal consciousness. I do agree with. We are co-creator of reality but the fact is we are like kids who play around for a decade. Imagine there are adults who have lived hundreds years already. While the kids uses toys on the ground, they run spaceships way above the sky. They can land on the ground by will at any given moment, i.e be born as a human or possess human body for specific reason, and take off”.

Acknowledging this alien possibilities seem impressive to say the least!


“Even after death most Earthling souls are grounded”.

Would you find this also in the alien literature…!, I have to admit that I’m naïve on this subject, so I got much to learn here.


“Collective karma, the invisible barrier that blocks the member moving forward”.

The karma thing, may we say that this notion was probably established by the Sovereign Bloodlines to better control the sheep (our ancestors, continue with us today) and the herd…?


“My perspective is spirituality and science and technologies have to merge. We need both if humanity will like to advance as an intergalactic civilization. In free society souls will have less karmic punishment. Two realms probably are more transparent than here. A baby will be born with full memory recall never forgetting, the parents understand baby's destiny and roles”.

Hmm!, that sounds very interesting…!

Thanks Hughe, very interesting post.

Deega

[Hughe]

Do you think that having a light body would make one happier, grandeur?, I wonder why (all would say to escape pain, suffering, poverty, etc.) it is that we are searching to reach higher dimensions to escape our 3rd one!, there must be obligations, responsibilities like in our 3rd dimension, wouldn’t you think…?

Definitely. Suppose you have god like power and go to a remote village that hundred of locals live there. Suddenly you become somebody with great responsibility: help them out to live better or manipulate for your slaves over generations.



“Collective karma, the invisible barrier that blocks the member moving forward”.
The karma thing, may we say that this notion was probably established by the Sovereign Bloodlines to better control the sheep (our ancestors, continue with us today) and the herd…?
I see Karma - cause and effect of everything - is universal law. The Sovereign Bloodlines and some religions use Karma as main tool to control people. Buddhism and Hinduism are good example. There is a story of Buddha. He met a creator of the universe. Then asked a question.
"Why did you create Karma? You see all the pain and suffering by it."
"No, no. I never create Karma. You - the sentient beings - create Karma."
Strangely under the victim consciousness Buddha formulated his enlightenment how to escape from the Karmic cycle. I disagree with it.

[Deega]

Thanks Hughe,


“Definitely. Suppose you have god like power and go to a remote village that hundred of locals live there. Suddenly you become somebody with great responsibility: help them out to live better or manipulate for your slaves over generations”.

IMHO, I think that I would need a large amount of wisdom, love, compassion to exercise power over people. I sure wouldn’t want to have this power unless the spirit world would show me the way, the spirit world would act on me in such a way that actions by me for them would always be in light of the betterment of all. IMHO, this I think ain’t an easy thing, human being are not equipped to act that way, we are dualistic being, favor one over the other, choose smart people over lesser one, etc.


"Why did you create Karma? (Buddha said) You see all the pain and suffering by it."
"(Buddha said) No, no. I never create Karma. You - the sentient beings - create Karma."

IMHO, Human ‘dualistic’ being were created to reach the ‘Alpha – Omega’ in his life time, so that he’d be ‘LOVE’ in all he is, such that he is without judgment, without hate, without preference of one people over another, without prejudice over some people,…. Without having these spiritual qualities, one cannot act without doing pain to other people, and all the other mischiefs done by people over people and IMHO, I would think that’s how this notion (Karma) came about.

Merry Christmas and the best to you.

Deega