Substantiation for the Strawman Redemption Theories

[trenairio]

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[trenairio]

believe what you want, i guess

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8757346216985678105

[karelia]

I think it's less about any theories circulating than individuals reclaiming their sovereignty. Since that's a considerable threat to the BiPs, they try and try and try to make you contract with them. According to Mary Croft (her book is available for free on the web, just google it), John Harris (tpuc.org), and a whole bunch of videos on youtube, this movement not only seems to be growing quite rapidly but people are becoming wiser about Common Law vs. Maritine/Admiral Law, and that is what it's basically all about.

My understanding is that if you don't enter a contract, then there is nothing any judge can do. That said, it's dang hard to figure out how/when a contract is considered entered. For example: You walk into the court, the judge asks your name, and you give your name; that constitutes a contract, and now you are at the judge's mercy. You are your strawman's agent, but unfortunately that is what nobody tells you. According to Mary Croft and many others, birth certificates is a huge, HUGE, business! So why should you, on top of the profit your strawman generates and of which you're unlikely to ever see a single penny (or cent), pay taxes on everything you earn??? Especially seeing that those taxes are never used for the benefit of humanity, but instead for making the few who are already unbelievably rich in material terms even richer whilst the masses struggle every day.

The subject of sovereignty is a very big one because it is an internal process as much as it is an external process. One doesn't wake up one day and simply decides to become a sovereign, not in this world, for sure. For that reason alone, it's a very important subject, one I hope many here will contribute to.

[Dawn]

I've taken the time to educate myself on this and even filed my UCC1. TPTB have spent a lot of time creating this cage for us, and they really do not want us to escape from it. Almost everything going on in the courts, in the collecting of taxes, in the principle and idea of birth certificates is totally and completely illegal. Those of us who do not educate ourselves, are feeding this fraudulent and contemptible set up.

On the other hand, it is not easy forcing the greedy, and illegal systems in place to recognize us as sovereign individuals. In order to succeed in this endeavor, you must educate yourself thoroughly. And, you need to pick your battles and decide how much time you want to spend bucking the system.

I have friends who are using the actual law to live a sovereign life. They have been very successful, and I have other friends who have backed off as they got pushed and have had not success in living this way.

Definitely it is not a waste of time to educate yourself about this. At the very least you will end up seeing how corrupt it all is... the courts... the banks... the government... the IRS... and so on.

[Unified Serenity]

I once helped a very wealthy friend set up a common law trust via a network I was involved with. It is pretty complicated to do this, but it basically has all of your assets and income go into this trust which you can will to whomever and they run the trust. Apparently, some very well known (now deceased) Senator was using one which is really the sad part, because under Title 26 the only real wages are those earned in public service in government work such as military, congress, and other government employees and those are what are supposed to be income taxed, not what you take home from your regular job. What the average joe earns as income is not technically a "wage", but they use our own vernacular to trap us.

The errors most people make is they do not truly divest themselves of the system and when they stop paying the income tax they are still part of that system. Anyone who signed up for a social security card has handed away their constitutional Citizen rights, and asked to become a U.S. citizen which places you under a different code of rules per the 10 miles sq area called Washington D.C and the territories. You can remove yourself because a contract entered into fraudulently is not binding, and if your parents signed you up for an SS card, then you did not make the contract. Sign a W8 for work, but as Dawn said, you might wanna think twice before you pick this battle.

All these people who try to go to court and play wordsmith with the the devil will find they had better be as good as Charlie Daniels:

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One error and you will find yourself in prison for a LONGGGGG time.

[trenairio]

For your information...



http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_amendments_11-27.html

AMENDMENT XVI
Passed by Congress July 2, 1909. Ratified February 3, 1913.

Note: Article I, section 9, of the Constitution was modified by amendment 16.

The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration.



[Excerpt from the book titled Old World Secrets The Omega Project Codes pg. 154]

"Woodrow Wilson was backed and funded for presidency by the Rothschild’s, in turn he signed the Federal Reserve act. His assigned top advisor was Colonel Edward M. House. He was known as the unseen guardian angel of the Federal Reserve Act. He wrote a book published in (1912) called Phillip Dru: Administrator. In it Phillip Dru rules America and introduces radical changes, such as a graduated income tax, a central bank, and a league of nations."

[karelia]

Amendments are acts, not LAW. Natural Law or Common Law are LAW. Everything else is act/statute/regulation and is only law within Admiral/Maritine Law. That's where the difference between lawful and legal lies. If I drive without a driver's license but am a safe driver, I act perfectly lawfully and yet, according to Maritime Law (commercial law, which applies to the strawman but not the sovereign) illegally. As has been mentioned, there is a lot to learn.

[trenairio]

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[karelia]

Furthermore, In this amendment, what is the definition of income? (Yeah, it looks like one needs a degree in linguistics to read through it all, but imo it's worth it.)

[modwiz]

The so called "Strawman Redemption" movement is presumably based on fraud, started by a crazed anti-establishment racial supremacist Roger Elvick in the 1980's. Jordan Maxwell may have made a fault believing the words of Elvick, and a lot of his work is based on this unverified strawman theory.

The Elvick mission is to undermine the government and to avoid paying all income taxes (not a good thing at all). Anyone planning or undergoing these procedures should be very careful. The USA is a police state, and any action to dodge income tax or any other strawman-related fraud would likely lead to arrest.

The Elvick theory may hold a lot of truth, but the fraud connected to this action is not worth it. Most of the strawman related cases do fail in court. In my understanding, the main conspiracy theories (Auditing the FED, etc.) tie back to this premise of the strawman and may not hold much validity because of the origin of the strawman theory as of the fraudster Roger Elvick.

And the very complicated details of the strawman redemption plan contains a tremendous amount of confusing law terms/premises that makes it too difficult to withold a strawman case in court unless one spent a large amount of time studying the strawman practice. So in my current view, the Strawman related topics are not worth the time.

What is your opinion, Avalon?

My opinion is that your motivation feels. 'off'. My question is, what is motivating you to invest time and energy on this 'education' of us. There is a definite psychological aspect to it. There is a foulness here.

[TWINCANS]

The so called "Strawman Redemption" movement is presumably based on fraud, started by a crazed anti-establishment racial supremacist Roger Elvick in the 1980's. Jordan Maxwell may have made a fault believing the words of Elvick, and a lot of his work is based on this unverified strawman theory.

The Elvick mission is to undermine the government and to avoid paying all income taxes (not a good thing at all). Anyone planning or undergoing these procedures should be very careful. The USA is a police state, and any action to dodge income tax or any other strawman-related fraud would likely lead to arrest.

The Elvick theory may hold a lot of truth, but the fraud connected to this action is not worth it. Most of the strawman related cases do fail in court. In my understanding, the main conspiracy theories (Auditing the FED, etc.) tie back to this premise of the strawman and may not hold much validity because of the origin of the strawman theory as of the fraudster Roger Elvick.

And the very complicated details of the strawman redemption plan contains a tremendous amount of confusing law terms/premises that makes it too difficult to withold a strawman case in court unless one spent a large amount of time studying the strawman practice. So in my current view, the Strawman related topics are not worth the time.

What is your opinion, Avalon?

My opinion is that your motivation feels. 'off'. My question is, what is motivating you to invest time and energy on this 'education' of us. There is a definite psychological aspect to it. There is a foulness here.

I got a whiff myself but maybe the poster might want to rephrase?