What is coming?

[Cartomancer]

In the last several years we have seen a mass build up of things like FEMA camps and draconian economic policies. We have watched while they took all the farms in the 80's and now a lot of the private property in the recent "housing bubble." In Europe they have done similar things to weaken and scare the poplulation.

They are obviously afraid of something specific or they would not have been preparing this long.

What do you think they are planning or know of that they aren't telling us? What do you think the end game is?

[DreamsInDigital]

It seems really like they are just trying to make the book of revelations come into being, to happen (The Cabal anyway). That's all I really get out of it. But, anyone I've asked said it was something that was planned over 1,000 years ago. And, even the evidence of other cultures prophecies, etc. All it points to is a time of change in what ever way you look at it. Not, 'end of the world' death, destruction, doom, etc. But, Change. Some attach a very positive message to that "Change", others are more..... "middle of the road". There are enough conscious aware beings on this planet right here and now that are determined not to let what the dark forces win this time, as they have the past two times this 'opportunity' for upliftment/change have come around. This time, the dark forces just aren't going to win. They just aren't. The universe, the living consciousness that is what ever it is just wont let that happen. I don't entirely know how or why I know that. But, I do. And, it's one thing I've never been more sure of in my entire life.

I also know we still can't just "sit back" and let things happen. We as the powerful beings we are need to be the driving force behind that change. Self Responsibility and Self Determination are very important. Also, Intent and Thought. Thought directs matter and is the basis of reality. We have to save our own asses because there is no one that is going to come down here and do it for us.

As far as what *is* coming, I'll come back and edit this when I find the quote that was given by Vasais before he passed. Because, really it sounds right to me.

ETA: Quote from Vasais: This is how we see you: Responsible, freedom of self-determination, becoming truly self-confident and free, to unconditionally be responsible for oneself without being coerced to accept some higher authority.

[Cartomancer]

It seems really like they are just trying to make the book of revelations come into being, to happen (The Cabal anyway). That's all I really get out of it. But, anyone I've asked said it was something that was planned over 1,000 years ago. And, even the evidence of other cultures prophecies, etc. All it points to is a time of change in what ever way you look at it. Not, 'end of the world' death, destruction, doom, etc. But, Change. Some attach a very positive message to that "Change", others are more..... "middle of the road". There are enough conscious aware beings on this planet right here and now that are determined not to let what the dark forces win this time, as they have the past two times this 'opportunity' for upliftment/change have come around. This time, the dark forces just aren't going to win. They just aren't. The universe, the living consciousness that is what ever it is just wont let that happen. I don't entirely know how or why I know that. But, I do. And, it's one thing I've never been more sure of in my entire life.

I also know we still can't just "sit back" and let things happen. We as the powerful beings we are need to be the driving force behind that change. Self Responsibility and Self Determination are very important. Also, Intent and Thought. Thought directs matter and is the basis of reality. We have to save our own asses because there is no one that is going to come down here and do it for us.

As far as what *is* coming, I'll come back and edit this when I find the quote that was given by Vasais before he passed. Because, really it sounds right to me.

I'm going to have to agree w/ you 100%. The happenings that match the Book of Revelations is astounding. If one really takes the time to look it is obvious people are perpetrating events to match the revelations.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I'll predict:


A planned economic collapse (ongoing currently).
Hyperinflation.
Another false flag attack.
Food riots.
Truckers find it too dangerous to make deliveries.
A new war to distract people from a failed economy.
Marshall law and roaming gangs.
Significant die off, as planned by the cabal.
When people have suffered enough the pre-engineered solution will be offered.
Freedom will hang by a shred.
Something will happen to cause the cabal to lose their power. Maybe it will be earth changes, evolution of consciousness, ET's or some combination thereof.
After an unknown period of struggle, freedom is born again.
Money is removed from politics. Congress critters, if they still exist, will respond to constituents instead of their corporate sponsors.
People are happier than they have ever been before.
Nearly everyone who survives the changes will be living closer to nature.

[gooty64]

Here is one extremely "out there" scenario from George Kavassilas. Basically he says the Montauk project future viewing kept showing only "white light" after March 21, 2013.
If George has been completely debunked please let me know and give some evidence. I am sure he has got some things wrong but, this is very intriguing.

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[etm567]

In the last several years we have seen a mass build up of things like FEMA camps and draconian economic policies. We have watched while they took all the farms in the 80's and now a lot of the private property in the recent "housing bubble." In Europe they have done similar things to weaken and scare the population.

They are obviously afraid of something specific or they would not have been preparing this long.

What do you think they are planning or know of that they aren't telling us? What do you think the end game is?

They are afraid of us.

But, to be specific, I honestly don't know. I read what I can find, I think about it, I go this way, I go that -- and I conclude that I cannot figure out with any certainty what, precisely, is the truth. So, I try to do what "THEY' all keep telling us to do, to trust our inner knowing, use "discernment."

I could certainly be mistaken in my "discernment." But what I get is that I don't need to run away or move. I have an 18 year-old daughter, and a husband from whom I am mostly estranged, but we still share a house. I have a younger brother not too far away. And I don't get any impulses to leave.

Over the years, I have had many impulses to learn how to do basic things, like to spin and dye wool, to make soap, to grow vegetables, and to can them, although I haven't had enough left over to actually learn that step yet.

I try to keep my eyes and ears open, and stay wary of fear-mongering. I think that is good advice. When I see fear-mongering, I look the other way. Don't get me wrong: I was talking about the slippery slope to martial law back in 2000, and in my circle, that was way out in left field. And today we are certainly a lot closer to that than we ever have been, but I do not think it will happen.

I do believe we are winning. (You can disagree with me, that's fine. Just don't call me names, don't say I must hate you, please do not say I worship David Wilcock or have made him the center of my new religion.) There are a very few channeled beings that I, very tentatively, trust, not depending on what they say, but depending on the totality of their presentation -- content, style, consistency, and the channel. And of course consistency with the few philosophies or teachings that I have decided to trust, such as the Law of One. And if I can find similarities and consistencies among those voices that I trust and what I perceive, then I tend to give that more weight. But I am never sure, or convinced, of anything. That is an absurd position for anyone, I think, to take.

So, finally, I agree with the first reply on the thread, that there are those on Earth who are attempting to bring about Armageddon, not that Armageddon is going to happen, but that there are those who want it to happen, and who are trying to bring that about, for their own occult reasons. I think some of the information both Ben Fulford and David Wilcock have presented along these lines makes a lot of sense. And I suspect that those forces do try to bring about the worst of what seems to be prophesied for our future; they are not our gods, no matter what they say, so they are not truly in control of the future; but if they can hijack our future, and make it seem to go the way they want it to go, perhaps that empowers them additionally. So they try to bully it to go that way. But it will not go their way in the end.

And there has, indeed, been some confirmation -- through events that have taken place -- that certain terrible situations will not be allowed to happen, such as nuclear war. Nuclear warheads or missiles or whatever they are have been disabled. Missiles that were going lost were found. And all those nasty viral epidemics that were going to kill so many of us, that they have attempted to inflict upon us, or those vaccines they have forced through without testing -- we have suffered no new pandemics of deadly disease. These failures are in line with some of the channeled messages I choose to give some credence to, and I am not speaking here of David Wilcock at all. When there is agreement in real-world events, I take that as support for the matching idea or theory.

So it looks to me as if indeed there are good guys out there who are our friends, who will not allow nuclear war or deadly pandemics, and who are working to shut the cabal down for good. And if so, I say, thank God! And it's about time someone helped us out here! And I also want to say, if you think it's easy here on Earth, if you think just standing up to them would stop them, then, please, count the dead bodies of all the people who have stood up to them!

Just tonight, I have read elsewhere about some of those mysterious funds that might indeed become available in the next few days. This makes me really itchy and uncomfortable, but we are at the point now where we won't have to wait long to see if this is nonsense or not. If this situation turns into day after day after day to be presented with a list of reasons why it didn't take place, but it will tomorrow, well, then we will know, won't we? Poof and Casper have been going at that for years and years and years. And so, I long ago put them in the "ignore" bin.

If my newest source for all this is still doing that after a week or two, or at the very longest, for a month, then I'll be sorely disappointed and will be thinking about altering all my opinions into new directions.

But at this time, all taken altogether, and yes, based on the content of Wilcock's Convergence series, as well as a lot of other books and prophecies from around the world, it seems to me that we might truly be on the eve of a golden age. And, I sez, it's about damned time! :thumb:

[Arc]

In the last several years we have seen a mass build up of things like FEMA camps and draconian economic policies. We have watched while they took all the farms in the 80's and now a lot of the private property in the recent "housing bubble." In Europe they have done similar things to weaken and scare the population.

They are obviously afraid of something specific or they would not have been preparing this long.

What do you think they are planning or know of that they aren't telling us? What do you think the end game is?

They are afraid of us.



Exactly.

They afraid of Us - awakening.

It's too late for them - no matter what they have prepared.

[58andfixed]

The best that I can find is too succinct, is extremely dense material to read and a huge caution must be explicitly made about the source before taking anything out of context.

In Chapter 53 of this very thick book "The Urantia Book," which is available at the publisher's web-site (search-able), is something called "Lucifer's Manifesto."

http://www.urantia.org/urantia-book-standardized/paper-53-lucifer-rebellion?term=lucifer%7Cmanifesto#search-jump-result-0

First -- the cautionary warning. This is no ordinary book where one picks through and takes parts that they like and discard the rest. The book itself MUST be vetted by each and every reader. If, then, one gets a sense of its validity, the reader can then take relevant parts to make sense of it within the context of what both history & current events provide.

From what I have discovered by those that say they 'read &/or believe this book,' it seems that if this vetting process isn't thoroughly completed, there will be one issue among many that will come back to haunt the 'so self-described reader.' I am convinced that this "Urantia Book" is no replacement for any of the 'sacred spiritual texts,' including the Koran or the Bible, at this point in time.

Certainly the text provides ample material to also clearly indicate NO offering of a replacement for a 'newer & better' Organized Religion - thank goodness for that !

This said, more can be understood about the hidden agenda of the core elite on this planet from the perspective of the "Lucifer Manifesto' than anything else I have ever come across. Everything else: war; politics; medical system; greed; selfishness; corruption; organized religion; erroneous history; public education; materialism; power; oil; want; grief; marginalization; division; hatred; bias; justice system; financial system; -- are merely symptoms.

Of course, not everyone that benefits is privy to material that benefited the core elite, and simply know how the 'food chain' works for them, from the materialistic perspective.

From my perspective, "We Are One" has very real validity to it. When some huge devastation impacts this planet [Korean War; Vietnam; 9/11; Arab Spring; BP blow-out in the Gulf of Mexico; Fukushima Nuclear accident; real-estate housing bubble and economic collapse] people who choose & desire to be 'connected' will be emotionally depleted, even depressed. It is how we are connected whatever term [Morphic Resonance, Collective Unconscious, ...] and why truth & reality must be sought, understood, and acted upon.

The depletion each feels during these major events, is the experiential evidence of this reality.

The "ignorance is bliss" is a truncation of "ignorance is bliss for the ignorant, and hell for the rest of us," and why ugly realities are NOT to be avoided just because we 'merely don't believe' they will impact our back yard, or 'merely believe' that exposing our mind to such realities are best avoided.

Unfortunately there are many that benefit from the way things have been, the world of Political Correctness, 'get along to go along,' 'the way of smooth waters,' and other biases that people choose to 'believe.'

Other 'sub-thoughts,' that fit underneath this ugly reality is the waiting for a Superwoman, Batwoman, or a Messiah to come and save us from our ugly selves.

The world isn't dualistic -- divided into good & evil. We all contribute to good & evil in varying shades of Grey, and need to examine each and every act we commit, with awareness & understanding. My best perspective to offer, is to accept the fragility of each of us and each of our acts, for errors are most often are made in ignorance [ie: "Forgive them, for they know not what they do."]

One of the most iconoclastic documentaries to come along that makes this point is "Enemy of the People":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1568328/


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiO-kcYlgLs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KiO-kcYlgLs

The Trailer is 2m 21s.

The point made in this documentary cuts way deeper than the 'erroneous thinking' that is made of NAZI Germany.

*****

One source I frequently point people towards that examines how easily people are self divisible, is the "List of Cognitive Biases" on Wikipedia, for it goes into the many ways that people delude ourselves [yes, myself included -- this has been an ongoing process for years] into grouping ourselves with people who are so similarly biased, rather than be familiar with a process -- much more involved -- to discover which one of the two that differ on some one point is biased, and what is the reality that one, or both, must adjust to.

This is the core set of educational material that I look to to re-examine any of my beliefs that I find challenged when I am 'chasing down truths' that I find I don't like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cognitive_biases

****

In summary, from my perspective, "The Problem" of this Planet, is that we are too easily divisible, do not see the connection amongst ourselves, the need for truth seeking over political correctness, the responsibility each of us contributes to peace and harmony Globally, and it all stems from various and sundry ideas planted [either by Lucifer, or Aliens - who the source is doesn't matter as much as the idea of disconnection amongst humanity] of how we 'believe' is more important than someone else.

I'm sure many will be familiar with the faulty seed of thought "you can believe what you want to believe, and I will believe what I want to believe" that truncates any deep examination of our beliefs, and substantiates the validity of division based on our beliefs.

Why such cataclysmic events occur throughout history, is because so many of the 'minion class' don't do any critical thinking, and merely do as they are told -- because they see the direct tie between 'follow your orders' and the quantity of the paycheck and benefits. They refuse to see the clues, because they are too busy enjoying the perks and distractions.

What will happen in the coming days, is up to us.

We can repeat the mistakes of civilizations from the hidden past, again, or attempt to change it as much as we can, passing on the best information that not only will stand the test of time, but help our children and our children's children to love more and fear less.

Also, it wouldn't hurt to have a more precise idea what "Love" is, for often fuzzy confusion contributes to fuzzy confused experience.

- 58

[BestLion]

Well a few things we can expect is Peak Oil..this will lead to economic collapse and massive starvation 'In the West 90% of all the food industry is big business. I expect a massive die off of the worlds population to by 2100 be around 1 billion people. The crisis will begin this decade and will be full scale in the 2020s.

[DreamsInDigital]

Here's my advice when it comes to all of this.....

The minute we turn our focus away from them and they can’t feed off our fear, it will collapse in a heartbeat. Because where focus goes, energy flows. As long as they keep you looking at it, they are using the energy of your soul, of your spirit, to feed this monstrosity. It’s time to just ignore them. Turn your focus away from the cabal and dark forces. Focus on the Benevolent forces winning this battle, and what you really truly want this world to become, turn into. We are very powerful individuals and collectively even more so. We can change things. We can make a difference. But we have to get up off our asses and do it, we have to be the driving force behind the changes we want.

[Cartomancer]

Here's my advice when it comes to all of this.....

The minute we turn our focus away from them and they can’t feed off our fear, it will collapse in a heartbeat. Because where focus goes, energy flows. As long as they keep you looking at it, they are using the energy of your soul, of your spirit, to feed this monstrosity. It’s time to just ignore them. Turn your focus away from the cabal and dark forces. Focus on the Benevolent forces winning this battle, and what you really truly want this world to become, turn into. We are very powerful individuals and collectively even more so. We can change things. We can make a difference. But we have to get up off our asses and do it, we have to be the driving force behind the changes we want.

Again, I agree 100%. We need to come up w/ innovative ways to do things ourselves and think for ourselves. Stop watching tv, buy extra food, put in extra water, and learn what ever you can about producing your own food. During the great depression 80% of the U.S. poplulation knew how to produce food for themselves. That statistic now is only about 15%. The industrialization of our food and farming has left us all totally dependent on these people. We need to break this cycle of control somehow.

[davewhite04]

In the last several years we have seen a mass build up of things like FEMA camps and draconian economic policies. We have watched while they took all the farms in the 80's and now a lot of the private property in the recent "housing bubble." In Europe they have done similar things to weaken and scare the poplulation.

They are obviously afraid of something specific or they would not have been preparing this long.

What do you think they are planning or know of that they aren't telling us? What do you think the end game is?

I don't know what will happen but I do believe in fate, and I think they know what their future holds, but for some reason they still think they can win.

*Something*(supernatural in my opinion) will happen where they will lose and will have to pay the price for what they have done to the planet. The date, or thereabouts, is coming soon and THEY know it.

Just my opinion.

[etm567]

Well a few things we can expect is Peak Oil..this will lead to economic collapse and massive starvation 'In the West 90% of all the food industry is big business. I expect a massive die off of the worlds population to by 2100 be around 1 billion people. The crisis will begin this decade and will be full scale in the 2020s.

Personally, I do not believe in peak oil. I think they want us to believe in peak oil, because they use oil and other sources of energy to control us. I believe that oil is like the circulatory system of Gaia, and that it is constantly being replenished. There's plenty of it. But they don't want us to know that. And as long as they control the access to it, it won't matter how much of it there is -- until, that is, we figure out how to access zero point energy.

I put that in the category of fear-mongering. But that is just my opinion. Please don't feel like I'm contradicting you just to contradict you, or pick a fight with you.

Every year, since I've been on disability and our finances have been under such pressure, it is the utility bills that do us in. And every year they cut our utilities off two or three times, and we are forced to borrow money to get them back on.

Of course we should move! But we can't afford to sell our house! The mortgage is under water, don't you know! Yup, it's another fine fix you've got us into, thank you very much, Mr. Rockefeller!

ETM

[WhiteFeather]

As the old way ends, when the children sing, then a new world will begin. Peace On Earth, if you will.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHZ79InLGRY

[Taurean]

When the Financial system collapses, besides people losing their savings and pensions it is likely that the logistics network will break down bringing all sorts of shortages. this will probably lead to violent confrontations and all the awakened/enlightened ones, like us, will be rounded up and interned so as not to provide alternative solutions to what they have in mind. Most revolutions of the past usually start with a round up of the intellectuals.

They know who we are, and they know where we are.

[jcocks]

Here is one extremely "out there" scenario from George Kavassilas. Basically he says the Montauk project future viewing kept showing only "white light" after March 21, 2013.
If George has been completely debunked please let me know and give some evidence. I am sure he has got some things wrong but, this is very intriguing.
]

Ok, I'll give you an analogy :

If you are at ground level and you are trying to view (through binoculars) a location 5km ahead of you that is atop a 10m high block of concrete, but you are only able to look straight ahead of you, what will you see?

We are currently in a process of gradual "upliftment". When Montauk was trying to view the future, they were doing it from ground level, but by 2013 we will be atop a 10m high block of concrete, so to speak. Thus they see light (concrete) because there is no longer anything at their level by 2013. Simply put, their point of origin is too low.

That's my understanding anyway, and I have a gut feeling I have it correct, for the most part...

[Leon]

Ask yourselves why our governments have grown so big since 1945?
whenever we make a comparison they say they don't want a repeat of what happened in WWII in Germany... really!

If you can see what happened in WWII and what really happened, you can see what is happening now. just they way this will be achieved has changed.

we go through life with blindfolds on. open your eyes and you will see

[mojo]

LA Marzulli and Marshall Master share on a Torah code for 2012. It makes sense to be prepared as the scout motto goes.
SEQ4LGssULE

[jcocks]

LA Marzulli and Marshall Master share on a Torah code for 2012. It makes sense to be prepared as the scout motto goes.
SEQ4LGssULE

Yes, but how can you possibly prepare for something that may well be completely outside of our frame of reference - ie : Mankind has NEVER seen *ANYTHING* like this before.

We won't know what to do. And no amount of preparation is really going to ready ourselves for what is coming. We can't even imagine what we're going to be faced with. Some of us might have an inkling, but even the most knowledgeable of us won't have the full answer...and then there's the issue of putting it into words that can accurately convey what they do know.

[Precog]

It's funny to hear LA Marzulli talk about the NWO when in his book he says 19 highjackers attacked us on 9/11.

[TheFlashRon]

Ask yourselves why our governments have grown so big since 1945?
whenever we make a comparison they say they don't want a repeat of what happened in WWII in Germany... really!

If you can see what happened in WWII and what really happened, you can see what is happening now. just they way this will be achieved has changed.

we go through life with blindfolds on. open your eyes and you will see

Yes, case in point... the mass poisoning of America through the addition of fluoride in our municipal drinking water, just as Hitler did to his concentration camps' guests during WW2 for the same reason... to dumb down and make docile the controlled populations. This, being only one of many hideously evil actions can also be looked upon as gifts. Gifts which serve to awaken us and ultimately bring us into the realization of our true Divine nature, enabling our transformation into the beings of Light we truly are. After all, isn't all of this part of the Divine Plan?

[jcocks]

Ask yourselves why our governments have grown so big since 1945?
whenever we make a comparison they say they don't want a repeat of what happened in WWII in Germany... really!

If you can see what happened in WWII and what really happened, you can see what is happening now. just they way this will be achieved has changed.

we go through life with blindfolds on. open your eyes and you will see

Yes, case in point... the mass poisoning of America through the addition of fluoride in our municipal drinking water, just as Hitler did to his concentration camps' guests during WW2 for the same reason... to dumb down and make docile the controlled populations. This, being only one of many hideously evil actions can also be looked upon as gifts. Gifts which serve to awaken us and ultimately bring us into the realization of our true Divine nature, enabling our transformation into the beings of Light we truly are. After all, isn't all of this part of the Divine Plan?

I'm lucky living where I am. Here in Bunbury (A small town south of Perth, Western Australia), they don't have a fluoridated (sp?) water supply, and there is always strong opposition to it within the populace whenever the subject is bought up. It seems we have a well educated population here, if nothing else.

When I was living in Perth, it was really bad, you could taste it.