2012: What may be in store:

[Bill Ryan]

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Adrian Salbuchi's Russia Today article, copied and referenced below, is so on-the-mark I felt obliged to do what I could to spotlight it. Salbuchi is a highly intelligent alternative media analyst, and periodically appears on Jeff Rense's radio show to comment on current affairs.

I could have written it myself -- I have attention on everything he lists.

I'd also add a couple more potential threats:

13) Heightened solar activity that might compromise major parts of the grid and/or unshielded electronic components (possibly not occurring till 2013)

Reference: http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

14) The beginnings -- just possibly to play out over the coming few years, amidst all the other possible chaos -- of choreographed global famine.

Here's the article:

http://rt.com/news/world-government-conspiracy-therory-657

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The Private Global Power Elite embedded in major governments is dead set on imposing World Government on us sooner rather than later. Let’s look at 12 mega-processes – veritable “Triggers” – that we infer they are using to achieve their goals.

All roads lead to World Government. This should come as no surprise. London’s Financial Times openly articulated this view in an article by their chief foreign affairs commentator, Gideon Rachman, published on 8 December 2009, whose title said it all: “And Now for a World Government.” These goals are echoed by the Trilateral Commission, CFR and Bilderberg insiders – even by the Vatican.

Macro-managing planet Earth is no easy matter. It requires strategic and tactical planning by a vast think-tank network allied to major elite universities whereby armies of academics, operators, lobbyists, media players and government officers interface, all abundantly financed by the global corporate and banking superstructure.

They do this holistically, knowing that they operate on different stages moving at very different speeds:

-- Financial Triggers move at lightning speed thanks to electronic information technology that can make or break markets, currencies and entire countries in just hours or days;
-- Economic Triggers move slower: manufacturing cars, aircraft, food, clothes, building plants and houses takes months;
-- Political Triggers tied to the “democratic system” put politicians in power for several years;
-- Cultural Triggers require entire generations to implement; this is where PsyWar has reached unprecedented “heights”.

Risk-managing this whole process takes into account the many pitfalls and surprises in store. So each plan in every field counts, with “Plan B’s” – even Plans “C” and “D” – which can be implemented if needed.

Twelve Triggers for World Government

Today, the Global Power Elite are wrapping up globalization and ushering in World Government. Paraphrasing the tightrope walker in German philosopher Friedrich Nietzsche’s “Thus Spake Zarathustra,” this implies “….a dangerous crossing, a dangerous wayfaring, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous trembling and halting…"

These 12 Triggers are interlinked and interlocked in a highly complex, holistic matrix, very flexible in its tactics but rigidly unbending in its strategic objectives. When read as a whole, the picture that unfolds shows that whole being far more than the sum of its parts.

1) Financial Meltdown. Since 2008, the Global Financial System continues on life-support. Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner and the US economic hit team – Robert Rubin, Larry Summers and Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, JPMorganChase mega-bankers working with the Bank of England and the European Central Bank – have not and will not take any measures to help the populace and ailing economies. They just funnel trillions to the banking elite, imposing the media myth that certain banks are “too big to fail” (Orwellian Newspeak for “too damn powerful to fail”). Why? Because it’s not governments overseeing, supervising and controlling Goldman Sachs, CitiCorp, HSBC, Deutsche Bank, JPMorganChase, but exactly the other way around…

2) Economic Crises. Today, “Destructive Extreme Capitalism” is collapsing national and regional economies, reformatting them into international slave-labour Gulag-like entities that Joseph Stalin would envy. Our woes lie not with the world’s real economy (mostly intact), but with the fake world of finance, banks, and speculation;

3) Social Upheavals. Meltdowns in Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Iceland and – soon to come – Italy, Spain and others, trigger violent social uprisings, even in the US and UK;

4) Pandemics. Get ready for more “flu surprises” leading to mandatory vaccinations: a discreet opportunity to slip RFID chips into our bodies and test “intelligent viruses” targeting specific DNA strains. Racially and ethnically selective viruses as part of mass depopulation campaigns?

5) Global Warming. As the global economy sinks into zero growth mode, economic drivers shift from growth expansion to consumption contraction. Will coming “carbon credits” open the path to full societal control?

6) Terrorist “False Flag” Mega-Attacks. The Elite have this wildcard up their sleeve to jump-start new “crises” as short-cuts towards world government. Will new “attacks” dwarfing 9/11 justify further global wars, invasions and genocide? A nuclear weapon over a major city to be blamed on the Elite’s “enemies”?

7) Generalized War in the Middle East. As we speak, naval forces, bombers, entire armies are poised to attack and invade Syria, Iran…

8) Ecological/Environmental “Accidents”. The 1986 Chernobyl nuclear accident sparked the beginning of the end of the former USSR by showing the world and the Soviets themselves that their State could no longer manage their own nuclear facilities. April 2010 saw the BP “Deepwater Horizon” oil rig eco-catastrophe in the Gulf of Mexico; since March 2011, Japan and the world have been grappling with a much larger nuclear accident in the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear complex. Was foul play involved?

9) Assassination of a major political or religious figure to be blamed on an Elite enemy. Mossad, CIA, MI6 are really good at playing this type of dirty trick;

10) Attacks on “Rogue States” – Iraq, Libya… Who’s next? Iran? Syria? Venezuela? North Korea?

11) Staged “Religious” Event. The growing need of the masses for meaning in their lives makes them easy victims of a Hollywood-staged, 3D virtual reality hologram show, orchestrating a “second coming”. An electronically engineered “messianic figure” acting in sync with Elite global objectives? Who would dare go against God himself?

12) Staged “Alien Contact.” This too may be in the works. For decades, large sectors of world population have been programmed to believe in aliens. Here too, hologram technology could stage a “space vehicle landing” – on the White House lawn, of course – highlighting the “need” for Mankind to have “unified representation” in the face of extraterrestrials. Further justification for world government?

What do such interlocking “crises” have in common? Global warming, pandemics, “international terrorism”, financial collapse, economic depression, even alien contacts? They all serve to show that they cannot be addressed by any single nation state, thus “justifying” the need for World Government.

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are.

Adrian Salbuchi for RT
Adrian Salbuchi is a political analyst, author, speaker and radio/TV commentator in Argentina. www.asalbuchi.com.ar (http://www.asalbuchi.com.ar)

[Kate]

and so the crises roll round, there will always be threats

communication, love and compassion, education and awakening - all is key

[WhiteFeather]

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are. Thats The Key!


Things are looking up for 2012 Ehh. I cant wait.

F reedom
E nlightenment
A scension
R inse and Repeat

[Belle]

This is a worrisome time for tptb. At this point, their plans are at a critical point...one or two false moves or surprises could set their plans back, no matter how many back-up plans they have prepared. It needs to be extremely well orchestrated, or they will fail.

They are in the process of surrounding us on every front. It feels like they are almost desperate (or just anxious to finish) and excellerating their moves...but move too quick, and the potential arises for too many people to wake up and begin moving against them.

We have been almost inundated with information on how to protect ourselves...taking a defensive position. I would be interested in thoughts of an offensive nature. Can we beat them at their own game? What are their weak points?

[Ilie Pandia]

It also seems to me like these triggers can be used to create a "domino-effect" (chain reaction), with the most likely starter being the financial meltdown. While everyone focuses on one trigger "they" prepare the next with virtually no resistance.

I live in Europe and this post from Bill is right on time. There seems to be much upheaval here in the financial sector, and food suppliers are being shut down everywhere under the big pressure of big corporations and expensive EU regulations.

There is also good news as I believe there is still time to prepare. And also being informed about this allows you not to be shocked and keep your focus when things "go down".

[truth4me]

I sit and wonder at times why I signed up for the "planet Earth tour of duty".

[baddbob]

I sit and wonder at times why I signed up for the "planet Earth tour of duty".
I will fight the fight anyway possible but I really want to go home:(

[mojo]

It's nice to approach the subject without being fear based, but from preparatory standpoint. It makes sense to prepare an emergency pack and have a plan ready...

[etm567]

I don't think these things will be allowed to happen. I think interference has stopped them in the past -- well, some of them, things like pandemics, which have never materialized as they have been advertised; and atomic explosions, which weren't on this list -- and I think at least some of them will be prevented from happening at this time. Indeed, I could be wrong, but we'll certainly see.

The financial business, that could all be according to plan, but just whose plan? I don't know about that.

I think they've been trying to wrap this up for some time, and they haven't managed. I don't think, ultimately, they will be able to pull it off. But maybe I'm wrong. And if I am, then I apologize for being wrong! :happy:

ETM

[DoubleHelix]

I sit and wonder at times why I signed up for the "planet Earth tour of duty".

Perhaps for experiential reasons and soul development! This dense reality.. or school of hard knocks if you will hosts the best of both worlds: good and evil. Where else could you experience the highs and lows of such parallels.

I feel privileged to walk the earth at such a time of high interest! Once the wrongdoings reach a crescendo in public awareness the masses will react and no longer be complacent in tolerating such madness and manipulation.

[Cartomancer]

If "they" wanted to create a stir in the faction of people who are intelligent and awake enough to know what is going on all's they would have to do is reveal the truth. It would freak everyone out so bad they would be debilitated for at least a few years. The layers of b.s. go back thousands of years and rely on each other like a stack of dominoes or jenga game.

If the onion ever gets peeled it would cause so much trouble that I can see why they don't tell us the truth even if they wanted to. Instead they take advantage of hidden knowledge and tech and even stage events in tandem with the great lie. There is also and extensively woven veil of b.s.including the truth about history, UFO's, paranormal activity, covering or hiding what is going on.

They manipulate the strange because that is where the truth is.

[Billy]

The Game continues, :ohwell:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Illuminati+cards&hl=en&rlz=1V4IPYX_enGB458GB458&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=6hP5TrzVC9Ci8gPJ3JzXAQ&ved=0CE0QsAQ&biw=1169&bih=610

[mosquito]

Thanks Bill, that's an excellent article.

An important element, which so many people seem oblivious to, is this one ...


-- Cultural Triggers require entire generations to implement; this is where PsyWar has reached unprecedented “heights”.



While everyone's deeply engrossed in the day to day dramas and the so-called major stories about politics, the long-term plan gets implemented step by step, an entire generation is conditioned into accepting measures which 50 years ago would have been openly denounced as fascist. The new generation is therefore unable to take any action as they aren't even aware there's a problem.

I have to wonder, are the BiP really so worried about the tens of thousands of people gradually waking up, when there are millions of children being slowly but surely brainwashed by the education system and the media ?

I wish I had solutions, all I can suggest is that we stay vigillant, and alert to all layers of the illusion over the coming year(s).

Philip

[Hughe]

They are pretty good at identifying problems without solutions. It has same effect of fear mongering.

[apokalypse]

Mainstream Media=Nothing but Fear but possible might happen...anything can happen from 2012

[jcocks]

Bill, You seem awfully good of late at telling us what you think might happen. Do you have any up-to-date insider testimony to back some of your statements up?
Also, have you read Kerry's latest blog posts about the unusual financial activity? What are your thoughts on this?

I look at the enormity of the situation we face and I find it difficult to believe that we can do it all ourselves - if only for the fact that an awful lot of the cards they (tptb) hold are being hidden from us. We cant fix things if we don't know what to fix. What's to say that what we are being told isn't being manipulated to present problems that are vastly different to the ones that actually exist?

Sometimes I can't see how we can do this all without some outside intervention - the trick will be how it occurs in a way that doesn't interfere with our sovereignty....

[Bill Ryan]

It's nice to approach the subject without being fear based, but from preparatory standpoint. It makes sense to prepare an emergency pack and have a plan ready...

Yes, it does.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

We must be very powerful indeed,
because they are still lying to us.

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

All those books on 2012 in stores come January 2013 will be in bargain basement bins...

Then the 2020 books will start being published :P

Yeah fear can go - it is not needed any more :)

[DarMar]

I'd say it would be funny thing that in world of countless possibilites we would only have 12 possible scenarios.
The real problem with this is next. Lets say a guy comes and tells you to watch at 12 pictures, right? would you be able to track those 12 and see the rest of the room?
knowing human spirit id think one would see only those 12 presented and no more or less.
When boxer wants to trick-hit you he starts moving left hand, you get left gard and get punched by his right hand. I goes like that.
So im like more expecting the unexpected here. And im really opened for wast possibilites that could happen.

In my opinion ther practice is not always same and changing with human evolvement. Yes maybe before was used problem-reaction-solution tactics, but not anymore as i see. Now i see it as a information warfare, feeding to the point that person is so fed and fat with it that hes incapable of racial movements. Because of fact that most of those informations are tottaly useless and nonsense.
It is a picture well distorded to the point one would start to believe in it. Simple as that.

When one even sells his soul to the devil, devil is still not the one controlling his actions. Actions are controlled by that same person which has distorted picture.
So when we apply this to greater mass of people we get the same result.
Yes, i know they would like to be in control, but really they arent!!! We are, and all thing that are happening to us its strictly directed by us ...

so..
We must be very powerful indeed,
YES WE ARE AND WE ARE DOING ALL OF THIS JUST WITH WRONG IDEA OF PICTURE THAT SOMEONE ELSE REALLY DOES IT FOR US AND WE CAN DO S*** ABOUT IT :)

problem is ...
because they are still lying to us.
that humans too often lies to themselves and proven is that if you dont to be tricked, you never will be.. so actually no one can ever lie to you if you dont want to. Ofc wanting is one part which needs many more to work like goal and intention.

I know 2012 is the point that we can decide:
1. will we blaim others for situation we are in and still search and choose responsible ones and in meantime do preparations.
2. we accept our ups and downs, make strong willfull intetnion and start stepping forward. Do not choose others NEVER to do decisions for you like goverments, congressmen and similar ones. Stop using their system, cause while we use that we accept that. So whenever you go to election you must be aware that you made decision THAT SOMEONE OTHER CONTROLS YOU and thats true story bro.

My deal is that I would rather sleep in mud than accept any of them as leader of me, so i cant really say they made me do something i never wanted to do. And guess what ... they never did actually. IM IN CONTROL FULLY OF MY LIFE AND I CAN PROVE IT ;)

When someone MUST go work to feed his kids or something like that... thats all bull**** and YES, they made you really believe that in same time as food is growing from mother earth as we speak.
So are they guilty for telling us those stuff or some individuas that really aceppted that nosense?

Only thing that i will do in 2012 for preparement is move carefully out of big city cause i really dont want to be surrounded with borg workers when system fails. And it will fail no matter in which form it fails. On end it all depends on OUR action not THEIR.To save someone that actually doesnt want to be saved is nosense also.

[Mike]

It's nice to approach the subject without being fear based, but from preparatory standpoint. It makes sense to prepare an emergency pack and have a plan ready...

Yes, it does.


Bill, along with Inelia you were recently advocating personal time-line manipulation as a way to prepare for oncoming global issues, and you seemed to not so much disregard but maybe not put too much stock in preparing practically for what's potentially to come in 2012. (or whenever)

do you still feel the same about altering one's personal time-line as a ways to keep safe during what seems to be a precarious transitional period here on earth? or have you changed your mind towards a more pragmatic approach? or perhaps you advocate both? or have i completely and utterly misunderstood you?:confused:

[Mike Gorman]

I suspect we had no real choice, it has taken a long-time to reach this point, I had a 'moment' last night looking at the stars (how quaint eh?)
and experienced a realization of the vastness of oceans of time-this freely available 'Mandala' of the Heavens is the best of them all;
it occurred to me that we have all been in this game a long-long time-: there is a point emerging when it will all reveal and fall into place.
Difficult to precisely articulate, but we are conscious at a critical point in the game plan.

[Taurean]

Winning the hearts and minds of the enforcers would be a good place to start.


Speaking of revolutionary thinking, today, April 25th is also the anniversary of Portugal’s 1974 Carnation Revolution, which took place five years before the Iranian Revolution in 1979. The Carnation Revolution was a single day culmination of a long struggle, but was notable in that in its last stages the revolutionary soldiers and people did not use direct violence, but came together peacefully to overthrow and transform the Portuguese government from a dictatorship to a relatively successful democracy. It has been said that “the population, holding red carnations, convinced the regime soldiers not to resist. The soldiers readily swapped their bullets for flowers.”

http://ghiasi.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/carnation-revolution.jpg

[music]

This is news to no-one here. Many here also hold the answer in their hearts. That answer is do not give in to fear. Act as you can to subvert the plans of the "elite", but remain always in Love. It is the momentum of Love which will finally be the undoing of the "elite", not an ill-organised and poorly armed citizen uprising. Violence is a fear-based reaction, and as such, can only perpetuate the old paradigm, regardless of outcome.

[Ol' Roy]

Sorry Bill.

You have all given us an emergency message. You moved lock and barrel to Ecuador. That is fitting enough for you. As one person, who has no family ties. What about the rest of us? I am committed and will hold on here in Central Kentucky, USA. I do have an evacuation plan to the mountains if need be.

[jcocks]

Personally, I don't see any use in running - as tptb have the capability to find you no matter where you are if they wish. Besides, we're of most use when we're in the thick of it, amongst our fellow man. You're of no use to anyone but yourself if you hide yourself away in the middle of no-where. Likewise, it's all good to prepare with supplies, but better if you can do that as part of a community, together. No point in hoarding for yourself. If things get nasty, there's strength in numbers.

My only real preparation is spiritual. In the end, that's all that matters, and I don't want to survive in a mad-max-style world. If we end up there, we've already lost in the short run and it will be a long hard slog to even get back where we are now.

[Bollinger]

I think broadly speaking this community (and I suspect most communities) fall into one of two factions but this isn’t by any means a static state of affairs. One day you may find yourself on one side but the next, something happens that makes you defect. The degree of conviction (whichever side we’re on) is also somewhat fluid and changes sometimes as frequently as every day or even every hour.

So what are these factions? They are the optimists and the pessimists. The plain and simple fact is that none of us actually know with any kind of certainty what is going to happen: whether it is in 2012 or any other year. We know current affairs will inevitably move on and new ones will appear but what they are, how serious they will be and how many lives they will affect is simply not predictable.

So in light of this darkness, we have to approach the future with a certain mindset. Much of it is based on our beliefs and convictions because, let’s face it, stonewall facts are often hard to come by and owing to the huge redundancy of information, we might very well discard the truth even if we came across it by accident or otherwise.

This idea of “preparation” amuses me though. If you don’t know what is coming, what will you prepare for and to what extent? If preparing means moving to some distant land, this is completely out of reach for most people; especially those who live in large cities and merely survive from pay cheque to pay cheque. If some worldwide calamity were to befall us, leaving a tiny population to fend for itself, would you really want to be among them? If so, go for it.

Logically speaking then, those who want to “prepare”, automatically fall into the pessimist side because they think something very bad is going to happen and as others have pointed out, they must, by definition, live in fear. Not good. The optimists are the ones who believe strongly that there is a helping or guiding force (whatever form or shape this takes – whether it is a God, the higher self or some celestial race that watches over our feeble and hapless lives) that will intervene to prevent a worldwide calamity and perhaps even propel us, en masse, towards a much brighter future.

By now, you will have realised that the biggest problem is that we don’t actually know. However abundant truth happens to be, it is always overwhelmed by a much larger amount of misinformation that conceals and drowns it. So, left with this, we have no choice but to go inside and ask our own consciousness. What do you feel? Needless to say, none of us feel “good” about the current status quo. And then we take the next step and ask ourselves: what do you want to happen? This is how the “creation of your own reality” idea is born. Maybe, simply by desiring it, wishing it, being grateful for it, imagining it has already happened, we can bring it into reality. It really is a nice idea and I wish there was something concrete to support it but alas, that appears not to be the case.

Then of course we have those who keep telling us about “unconditional love”. Do you want to know something; I cringe when I hear that phrase to the point of despair. A child gets his legs blown off because he’s wandered into a military mine or loses all members of her family because of a cluster bomb. That is the world we are dealing with. Unconditional love is just an ideal that lives in our minds because if it dares to venture out it knows it will be cut to shreds and fed to the dogs in seconds.

For all the things we don’t know there are many things that we do know. We know the world is unfair, unjust, and full of needless suffering caused by mindless animals who think nothing of seeing millions go hungry so they can hang another Remrandt in their drawing rooms. We know with absolute certainty the vulgar and vile acts that are committed daily behind closed doors against the innocent and the weak. We know about the false flags and the self-serving murderous psychopaths parading around as our leaders. How does any leader, with an ounce of conscience, live with himself knowing the extent of suffering that is going on around him while he entertains dignitaries in lavish banquets? There is a reason why they drive around in motorcades and bullet-proof cars.

Yes, there is plenty that we know is wrong and most of our pain stems from not being able to put it right. Feeling helpless against the tide of what can only be termed as pure evil is one of the hardest states in which to be. I don’t know how we can put it right. Maybe it really has to be a complete restart from the beginning. Maybe some helping hand will reach out and cleanse our earth of these wicked parasitic entities disguised as humans. Maybe there is going to be “ascension” or “separation” and the evil will not be able to manipulate and exploit the good because they will no longer have access to them.

Whatever the outcome, whether it happens in 2012, 2013, 2020 or way after we’re all dead and gone, if we’re left with nothing but just unsubstantiated belief, may that belief be a positive one, for whatever it’s worth.

[Humble Janitor]

When I was watching Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura the other day, I made sure to point out to family members that their generation cannot hide things anymore and that folks like myself and younger folks will eventually find that truth.

Regarding TPTW: "They" can run but "They" cannot hide. They might fight like a badger nudged up in a corner but ultimately, they'll have to relinquish control of this planet to the people.

Why do I have John Lennon's "Power to the People" playing over and over in my head? It gets me through my day and gives me the hope I want.

[ROMANWKT]

Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

[joedjemal]

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are. Thats The Key!


Things are looking up for 2012 Ehh. I cant wait.

F reedom
E nlightenment
A scension
R inse and Repeat

I would have made that last r = reason or rationality. Spirituality doesn't require giving up that, in fact from my own experience it's crucial.

Their one world government can't work, they have no believable replacements for money with interest and that is fatally flawed because it forces exponential growth. I've heard that the chinese characters for crisis are danger and opportunity. This pursuit of global power is coming from the delusional world view of psychopaths, it is their main weakness. What is coming this year makes me think that rule by an elite will become unthinkable to the people that survive it. They are about to lose any vestige of credibility let alone impose an even greater form of domination.

Systems tend to be emergent. Something will eventually emerge that works and I doubt that it will involve rule by the delusional.

[Bollinger]

Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Lets not forget that we are all creating our reality with thought projection and taking the consciousness where we want to go...

Please do not use the power that we all have to create negative scenarios with some outcomes that the PTW would embrace...

Embrace your own vision and take it to higher planes of activity toward the betterment of humanity...hold the vision in your mind and it will be.

Once the galactics are here, humanty will rise to unimaginable consciousness ... the doors will be opened...yes we stiill have some obstacles to take care of, but the end vision is what we are all here to create. The Golden Age.

viking

[ROMANWKT]

Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

Hi Bollinger

I have as a lot of other people thought hard about a solution not for myself personally but for humanity, I did not see a white flag in what I had written, nor am I promoting despair, If i personally had food, and shelter from the coming events, do you think I will hide it from the starving people, or start shooting people to survive?? and all that nonsense, how long will you survive against the masses, what kind of solution is that at what they plan for us. We have to think on en masse for humanity against this plan of tptb for all. do you think that if you and a group of people hidden yourselves, that after a while they will exterminate anybody that is not participating in the new order, this is fascism all over again, think hard, do you think you will be allowed to be independent from them???? we need to really wake up and enough of the BS, and see and do something that will change thing for the whole of humanity, that again means removing the military support to the powers, and have a people policing to keep order for the people,and not against them, and a common law balance for all, got any better ideas for the whole not for ourselves only. that I still say is our only option, and we all should find ways of how to pull this off fast, target the army, police, judicial?????????now.

roman

[Wind]

Indeed the only "preparation" is spiritual. When you are not afraid of death, there will be no need to be "prepared". You just know that all of the things will unfold when the time is right, and there is not much you can do about it. If you want to survive something, it is actually your ego that wants to survive. Not your higher self, because it knows deep inside what will occur. Just accept what will happen and go with the flow. You cannot swim upstream (or you can, but it's damn hard and pointless most of the time).

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that just lay down and die. What I mean is that don't let the fear consume you. Because it will, if you let it. When you are balanced spiritually, acceptation is the only way and you know it deep inside you. All that I can advise anyone to do, is to meditate, meditate and meditate some more.

[ROMANWKT]

Make no mistake about me, I am 62, and I don't give a dam what they do to me nor does my family, look outside yourselves for a solution, but for each personally the solution is within. If any of you don't care about the whole, then there is no problem to take care of here in this realm.

roman

[777]

My only real preparation is spiritual. In the end, that's all that matters, and I don't want to survive in a mad-max-style world. If we end up there, we've already lost in the short run and it will be a long hard slog to even get back where we are now.

Agreed. I'm quite surprised by this thread Bill as it doesn't really include anything new to assist in preparation it merely perpetuates and facilitates the unfolding inevitability. I know it's not anyone's responsibility to help others prepare, but an advert for the certain (when it absolutely isn't.......) is counterproductive imo, especially on a site where all this has already been said and is (for the most part) common knowledge here. I can only think that the purpose of this thread is a sort of "catch up" for those who are new to this or lagging? Before I get jumped on for daring to question the motive, please understand the question poses from a perspective of genuine confusion as to why this has been posted, not to break rank as it were.......

[Bollinger]

Hi All

We in point of fact haven't a leg to stand on, we left it too late, and whatever the preparation that a nonsense, they have up to now won on every level, they basically control all, some of you very arrogantly kept saying bring it on, let it crash, for you people that have awaken to what has been happening for over a 100 year or so, your expectation will come to be, but for the billions of people who have no knowledge or understanding of this, is deadly beyond comprehension.

There is nothing left for us to correct now, its to late, the masses will go with the direction of whatever they had planned for humanity.

OUR ONLY SOLUTION TO THIS IS TO GET ALL THE WORLD ARMY, POLICE, AND COMMON LAW JUDICIALs TO TURN AROUND AND SUPPORT THE PEOPLE, that should be our only quest at this moment, without their support, they tptb for a change will have no legs to stand on.

roman

Well, that is one way. But given that those particular areas are, for all intents and purposes, fully sponsored and controlled by the very same people we are trying to oust, it doesn't bode well for any of us. I am, however, loathed to assume a disposition of complete loss and despair.

Granted there is no substantiating fact or entity that I can readily point to for comfort and why I think it is somewhat premature to raise the white flag just yet, I've always turned to the old adage that if you give someone a rope long enough, they will eventually hang themselves with it.

Given history has demonstrated on numerous occasions that tyrants nearly always fall because of their own over-grown ego and self-delusion, there is no reason to assume it won’t happen again; hopefully once and for good this time.

For no reason at all, I choose to hold an optimistic point of view when it comes to the future of humanity.

Hi Bollinger

I have as a lot of other people thought hard about a solution not for myself personally but for humanity, I did not see a white flag in what I had written, nor am I promoting despair, If i personally had food, and shelter from the coming events, do you think I will hide it from the starving people, or start shooting people to survive?? and all that nonsense, how long will you survive against the masses, what kind of solution is that at what they plan for us. We have to think on en masse for humanity against this plan of tptb for all. do you think that if you and a group of people hidden yourselves, that after a while they will exterminate anybody that is not participating in the new order, this is fascism all over again, think hard, do you think you will be allowed to be independent from them???? we need to really wake up and enough of the BS, and see and do something that will change thing for the whole of humanity, that again means removing the military support to the powers, and have a people policing to keep order for the people,and not against them, and a common law balance for all, got any better ideas for the whole not for ourselves only. that I still say is our only option, and we all should find ways of how to pull this off fast, target the army, police, judicial?????????now.

roman

Hi Roman,

My refrence to the white flag wasn't so much to do with trying to survive after a worldwide breakdown but more to do with hoping it won't happen in the first place with or without any effort on our part to stop it. Like you, I think trying to survive after such an event would be futile and to be perfectly honest I myself wouldn't even entertain it. But we've lasted this long so perhaps (as so brilliantly expressed in Thomas Hardy's poem The Darkling Thrush) there is hope and we're simply not aware.

Bollinger

[Bollinger]

Lets not forget that we are all creating our reality with thought projection and taking the consciousness where we want to go...

Please do not use the power that we all have to create negative scenarios with some outcomes that the PTW would embrace...

Embrace your own vision and take it to higher planes of activity toward the betterment of humanity...hold the vision in your mind and it will be.

Once the galactics are here, humanty will rise to unimaginable consciousness ... the doors will be opened...yes we stiill have some obstacles to take care of, but the end vision is what we are all here to create. The Golden Age.

viking

Hi Viking,

I’m not much of a fan of the opening statement (creating our own reality) because to me it is full of too many holes which can’t be reconciled.

However, I fully agree that trying to defeat murder and mayhem with more murder and mayhem never was, is or will be the solution to anything.

As for the Galactics, one can only hope. If they are real and if they are benevolent, (two very very big ifs), we may wallow in a little indulgence about being rescued. I know a lot of people put a great deal of faith in this idea and while (like many claims of religion and other belief systems) it can neither be proved nor disproved, it does no harm to harbour a future that is bright as opposed to one that is bleak.

Thank you for your input.

Bollinger

[BestLion]

Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

[Anchor]

I dont know what is in store.

Somethings on that list may happen.

I hope I can remain in the fearless state I am now in :)

I've been talking about Earth changes and the side-effects on us of the Earths energetic changes since I comprehended the gist of what was going down in 2005 or so.

So much has happened. So many peopled dead, or homeless and hungry... Even though TPTB (/W!) want to prosecute their plan I plan on doing my part to ameliorate the effects of their VANDALISM.

I don't know what is going to happen, but I expect that those with the right hearts and minds will float through the challenges like a leaf blown on the breeze.

{ Or a plastic bag on its way to the group of plastic bags in the middle of the ocean (sorry surreal moment, decided not to edit) }

I don't know what is going to happen but I know what I want, and I reckon I know how to go about getting it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30238-Focus-on-what-you-prefer--want--not-on-what-you-dont-prefer--want--).

2012 is yet another series of steps to the future that I am proceeding towards. It will be like all the best and most successful holidays rolled into one.

Remember that fleeting moment when you stood in awe of some natural wonder?

The moments of most harmonious shared pleasure with a partner?

All those things rolled into one, and stretched out eternally.

The future I move toward, step by step, is that of excitement, joy and fun, it is love, care and happiness, it is shared, and it is one and all.

It will be here for us on this planet.

This is seriously what I want - and that is why I have a Vision of what I want and I use it to envision (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10809-Lets-get-a-vision-going) and to make it so.

--

I live on a world where each person takes responsibility for each thought, action, word and deed.

I live on a world where each person lives in harmony with themselves, and in harmony with each of their other-selves and where each person lives in harmony with nature, the planet and all of her creatures and kingdoms, and ultimately in harmony with all levels of the entire manifest universe.

I live on a world that is free from tyranny, where each of the want-to-be tyrants and troublemakers have left never to return.

I live on a world that has been restored to its pristine vitality, purified on the land, purified in the air and purified in the sea.

For the highest and best good of all, make it so.

--

And that, my friends, is what I think we have in store in 2012 - some harsh changes, but this is the road we are ultimately on - well at least all those on my "timeline" - (chuckle)

Enjoy! Fear not!

Radiate the love, and radiate the light!

BRING IT ON!

[spiritguide]

The meek shall inherit the earth. In this case does meek mean absence of EGO? The illusion before us might be seen through by answering the question; Do police create crime or does crime create police? Perception is the key to opening the door to the future on any timeline.

:peace:

[Bollinger]

Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

Hmm. I think there is a logic problem there. If there are entities out there, we have to assume they are far more advanced than we are both in technological as well as spiritual terms. If so and they think it is prudent to disclose to everyone their presence, it is not logical to assume the Vatican or anyone else for that matter could do much about it.

One has to presume then that if these celestial races are waiting in the wings, the lack of disclosure isn't because they are trying to reveal themselves and are prevented from doing so by the evil humans. So, what are they waiting for? Only three possible answers are available.

1. No one is there and we're wasting our time even thinking about it.
2. They are there but will intervene when "something" they are waiting for is in place.
3. They are there but will never intervene whatever happens.

Only number two suits us but what the conditions are and why they are we simply don't know.

[Anchor]

The meek shall inherit the earth. In this case does meek mean absence of EGO?

I always took it to mean, that people who use have power instead of use force, the people who respect the freewill of others as sacrosanct - those are the meek, they are the most powerful and they/we will inherit the Earth - no question about it. Bit of a bumpy ride, we will still get there.

[the_flyingboy]

i found this video quite good the the rest that go with it as well
http://youtu.be/fzpIWqRR71k

[Lettherebelight]

I am with Bollinger in the 'positive' department.

Like the song says, 'There may be trouble ahead....'

but, '...Let's face the music...and dance!'

One of the best things we can do as humans, is to chant Hare Krishna. It's there for everyone, and it is your right to grab it. It not only benefits you personally, but the world as well. I know it sounds simplistic, but it really is very powerful.

Full mantra:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama
Hare Hare

Happy New year :thumb: Good fortune to everyone.

wynYMJwEPH8

[ROMANWKT]

Why the fema camps guys??why all the poisons?? why gmo???why viruses???why all the contamination???why financial collapse?? has all the love and light changed anything?? are you waiting for aliens?? the second coming??? are wee all brain washed to such an extent that we don't see whats right in our face??

We can sit back and relax, and let events take place, or we can share this nonsense with the world, Read my threads and I do not support confrontation, I support awakening to the fact that a lot of misinformed humans like the army and police and politicians are behind tptb, without them tptb are just a bunch of dreamers.

roman

[passiglight]

Bollinger go and do your homework,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

Hmm. I think there is a logic problem there. If there are entities out there, we have to assume they are far more advanced than we are both in technological as well as spiritual terms. If so and they think it is prudent to disclose to everyone their presence, it is not logical to assume the Vatican or anyone else for that matter could do much about it.

One has to presume then that if these celestial races are waiting in the wings, the lack of disclosure isn't because they are trying to reveal themselves and are prevented from doing so by the evil humans. So, what are they waiting for? Only three possible answers are available.

1. No one is there and we're wasting our time even thinking about it.
2. They are there but will intervene when "something" they are waiting for is in place.
3. They are there but will never intervene whatever happens.

Only number two suits us but what the conditions are and why they are we simply don't know.

and stop making irrational unlogical connections that suit only the ego,,,,,,,,,,

The controlling group of off worlders are stage managing this event down to the last minutia and if you'd been doing your homework these last few months you'd be aware of this ,,,

In fact the off world entity right at the helm of this control group has been right here amongst us for a long time,,,,,,,,,,,,,in fact he's quite a good, if not old friend of BILLS,,,,,,


Would you like me to back up what i am saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,???

No worries, i fully intend to anyhow,,,,,,,,,,,

you know where to find my info,,,,,,,,,

keep on denying folks,,,,,,,,,,keep right on

cosmic love

[ROMANWKT]

I am with Bollinger in the 'positive' department.

Like the song says, 'There may be trouble ahead....'

but, '...Let's face the music...and dance!'

One of the best things we can do as humans, is to chant Hare Krishna. It's there for everyone, and it is your right to grab it. It not only benefits you personally, but the world as well. I know it sounds simplistic, but it really is very powerful.

Full mantra:
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna
Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare

Hare Rama Hare Rama
Rama Rama
Hare Hare

Happy New year :thumb: Good fortune to everyone.

Old hare whatever never stopped 2 world wars my friend, keep singing, if it make you feel better??????
roman

[ROMANWKT]

I had spent nearly 12 years from birth in an refuge camp, fema camps you will love it, or do we do some thing about it, we need solution to the human problem here in this reality, or just watch and sing???????

been there, done that
roman

[joedjemal]

Bollinger go and do your homework,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

Hmm. I think there is a logic problem there. If there are entities out there, we have to assume they are far more advanced than we are both in technological as well as spiritual terms. If so and they think it is prudent to disclose to everyone their presence, it is not logical to assume the Vatican or anyone else for that matter could do much about it.

One has to presume then that if these celestial races are waiting in the wings, the lack of disclosure isn't because they are trying to reveal themselves and are prevented from doing so by the evil humans. So, what are they waiting for? Only three possible answers are available.

1. No one is there and we're wasting our time even thinking about it.
2. They are there but will intervene when "something" they are waiting for is in place.
3. They are there but will never intervene whatever happens.

Only number two suits us but what the conditions are and why they are we simply don't know.

and stop making irrational unlogical connections that suit only the ego,,,,,,,,,,

The controlling group of off worlders are stage managing this event down to the last minutia and if you'd been doing your homework these last few months you'd be aware of this ,,,

In fact the off world entity right at the helm of this control group has been right here amongst us for a long time,,,,,,,,,,,,,in fact he's quite a good, if not old friend of BILLS,,,,,,



Would you like me to back up what i am saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,???

No worries, i fully intend to anyhow,,,,,,,,,,,

you know where to find my info,,,,,,,,,

keep on denying folks,,,,,,,,,,keep right on

cosmic love

Very much so. I know they're around and we know some of the stuff they're up to like disabling nuclear weapons and interfering with individuals (including me) for some unknown reason but I've found nothing at all convincing about who they are or where they're from, let alone their motives. I'd like a chance for a face to face chat. None of this can't move and forgetting business though. While they are being so secretive it doesn't bode well for their motives in my opinion. And what does it say of them if they sit back and let billions of us die, especially if they are partly responsible for the problem due to subtle influence. Is there no law out there? Is such abuse of sentient beings permitted? If so why? We lack data to make any meaningful scenario.

[Humble Janitor]

The meek shall inherit the earth. In this case does meek mean absence of EGO?

I always took it to mean, that people who use have power instead of use force, the people who respect the freewill of others as sacrosanct - those are the meek, they are the most powerful and they/we will inherit the Earth - no question about it. Bit of a bumpy ride, we will still get there.

I believe that the most balanced people are the ones who shall inherit the earth.

Balance rules my life. The scales are my star sign. When my life is in balance, I am happy, productive and healthy. Case in point, I've lost 65lbs in a almost 4 months.

[Lettherebelight]

Hi roman

I continue to sing, but

I take your point...:) I agree...

God(or whatever) helps those who help themselves

[Bollinger]

Bollinger go and do your homework,,,,,,,,,,,,,,



Thats is pretty darn depressing . I hope all that doesn't come to pass..YIKES!
About the UFO-Alien and governments acknowledging this. i have heard all the NASA- Space stations etc is controlled by the Vatican..And why would they say Aliens are real then? It would more less destroy Christians-Judism-Islam at its core if they disclose this info..And we know that religion is the most powerful method TPTB have to use in their arsenal of control. i think this is the main reason why they never disclosed aliens in the first place it would destroy the entire world religions in one blow..Same with disclosing ancient culture like Atlantis as truth!

Hmm. I think there is a logic problem there. If there are entities out there, we have to assume they are far more advanced than we are both in technological as well as spiritual terms. If so and they think it is prudent to disclose to everyone their presence, it is not logical to assume the Vatican or anyone else for that matter could do much about it.

One has to presume then that if these celestial races are waiting in the wings, the lack of disclosure isn't because they are trying to reveal themselves and are prevented from doing so by the evil humans. So, what are they waiting for? Only three possible answers are available.

1. No one is there and we're wasting our time even thinking about it.
2. They are there but will intervene when "something" they are waiting for is in place.
3. They are there but will never intervene whatever happens.

Only number two suits us but what the conditions are and why they are we simply don't know.

and stop making irrational unlogical connections that suit only the ego,,,,,,,,,,

The controlling group of off worlders are stage managing this event down to the last minutia and if you'd been doing your homework these last few months you'd be aware of this ,,,

In fact the off world entity right at the helm of this control group has been right here amongst us for a long time,,,,,,,,,,,,,in fact he's quite a good, if not old friend of BILLS,,,,,,


Would you like me to back up what i am saying,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,???

No worries, i fully intend to anyhow,,,,,,,,,,,

you know where to find my info,,,,,,,,,

keep on denying folks,,,,,,,,,,keep right on

cosmic love

Passiglight,

You suffer from selective reading because emotion got in the way. You read and understood what you wanted, not what was written.

Nevermind.

Bollinger.

[ROMANWKT]

We can deal with this in a spiritual manner which is no problem as I rather that we had released all the garbage and had the power return to us to change the coming event to a positive status, BUT we are at the moment dealing with the material that effect all of us here, fear has nothing to do with this, its the dark side of our nature that is in question here, it is severely out of balance and we are the ones that have to put it right or in balance.

any other solution to the problems that are already here, and more to come?????

roman

[ROMANWKT]

We have controllers here that wish to control and manipulate this realm, they are doing a very good job of it, and we need to realize that they are in fact winning and had done so for thousands of years, what do we do about that then???

roman

[Fred259]

Thanks Bill, that's an excellent article.

An important element, which so many people seem oblivious to, is this one ...


-- Cultural Triggers require entire generations to implement; this is where PsyWar has reached unprecedented “heights”.



While everyone's deeply engrossed in the day to day dramas and the so-called major stories about politics, the long-term plan gets implemented step by step, an entire generation is conditioned into accepting measures which 50 years ago would have been openly denounced as fascist. The new generation is therefore unable to take any action as they aren't even aware there's a problem.

I have to wonder, are the BiP really so worried about the tens of thousands of people gradually waking up, when there are millions of children being slowly but surely brainwashed by the education system and the media ?

I wish I had solutions, all I can suggest is that we stay vigillant, and alert to all layers of the illusion over the coming year(s).

Philip

I agree Philip this is subversion and is what’s behind the slow decline of the US and UK. It’s quite obvious to see if you are aged 50 or over.

In the UK MI5 closed its counter-subversion unit in 1988, 23 years ago which supports Bills comment about entire generations being brainwashed by culture changes.

The question needs to be asked… Why ?

Why that is did MI5 close the unit and on who’s instructions?

You don’t need to go that far down the rabbit role before it becomes very clear that the criminal elites are behind much of the psy ops that goes on including control of SIS in the UK and intelligence gathering and subversive activities around the world.

2012 and all the nonsense that’s written about pending doom and disaster is part of that Psy-ops. Don’t fall for it folks.

What you do need to know about 2012 is that on 13.00UTC on 27th December 2012 we will all be posting around the world having a good long laugh at all the Intel agents, disinformation trolls and so called wise men who will have permanent “egg on face” so take a mental note of them all now and let’s see how it turns out.

If you want some reassurance over this have a look at Borden and his wise post “Con Artists” Borden and many others I have to say will not have “egg on face” but rather “smile on face”…

It’s the time of year….. January remember something must be found so that the momentum of lies and deceit can be maintained…. Last year it was Charles if you recall who kept the forum burning high octane for a good six months. Charles was followed by Inelia or whatever she was about, I’m sorry I must confess I was unable to follow her wisdom. I do recall however that it was said she had no money so I find it hard to believe that she is now able to buy land in Ecuador as has been suggested recently.

Music, in her post #24 has the right answer folks… “Do not give into fear”

[joedjemal]

We have controllers here that wish to control and manipulate this realm, they are doing a very good job of it, and we need to realize that they are in fact winning and had done so for thousands of years, what do we do about that then???

roman

But they're most definitely NOT doing a good job of it. Look at the state of the world. This chaotic collapse that is now inevitable barring a miracle will probably hurt them more than the rest of us in the long run. They've exhausted the planet and it's biosphere with incredible stupidity. Reality has finally collided with their flaws.

[ROMANWKT]

Check this out, there are states in each countries that are kept in a poverty status, so that when the army opens its doors, most of the young ones join the army, because there is nothing else, and turns innocence into murderers. all done on purpose to create brainwashed killers, very lost soul, or arsesoles???

What do you think??
roman

[joedjemal]

Thanks Bill, that's an excellent article.

An important element, which so many people seem oblivious to, is this one ...


-- Cultural Triggers require entire generations to implement; this is where PsyWar has reached unprecedented “heights”.



While everyone's deeply engrossed in the day to day dramas and the so-called major stories about politics, the long-term plan gets implemented step by step, an entire generation is conditioned into accepting measures which 50 years ago would have been openly denounced as fascist. The new generation is therefore unable to take any action as they aren't even aware there's a problem.

I have to wonder, are the BiP really so worried about the tens of thousands of people gradually waking up, when there are millions of children being slowly but surely brainwashed by the education system and the media ?

I wish I had solutions, all I can suggest is that we stay vigillant, and alert to all layers of the illusion over the coming year(s).

Philip

I agree Philip this is subversion and is what’s behind the slow decline of the US and UK. It’s quite obvious to see if you are aged 50 or over.

In the UK MI5 closed its counter-subversion unit in 1988, 23 years ago which supports Bills comment about entire generations being brainwashed by culture changes.

The question needs to be asked… Why ?

Why that is did MI5 close the unit and on who’s instructions?

You don’t need to go that far down the rabbit role before it becomes very clear that the criminal elites are behind much of the psy ops that goes on including control of SIS in the UK and intelligence gathering and subversive activities around the world.

2012 and all the nonsense that’s written about pending doom and disaster is part of that Psy-ops. Don’t fall for it folks.

What you do need to know about 2012 is that on 13.00UTC on 27th December 2012 we will all be posting around the world having a good long laugh at all the Intel agents, disinformation trolls and so called wise men who will have permanent “egg on face” so take a mental note of them all now and let’s see how it turns out.

If you want some reassurance over this have a look at Borden and wise post “Con Artists” Borden and many others I have to say will not have “egg on face” but rather “smile on face”…

It’s the time of year….. January remember something must be found so that the momentum of lies and deceit can be maintained…. Last year it was Charles if you recall who kept the forum burning high octane for a good six months. Charles was followed by Inelia or whatever she was about, I’m sorry I must confess I was unable to follow her wisdom. I do recall however that it was said she had no money so I find it hard to believe that she is now able to buy land in Ecuador as its been suggested recently.

Music, in her post #24 has the right answer folks… “Do not give into fear”

There's nothing psyops about overshoot and dieoff, it's pure common sense. Every species that overshoots the carrying capacity of it's ecosystem experiences a dieoff. I watch it happen to something or other every year. You can't repeal the laws of nature by calling it a negative psyop.

[ROMANWKT]

Read or see the UK news, and people are killing each other for designers crap on the streets, so when the ow so very clever illuminated ones start a food run, where the hell do you think you will hide?????????

any answers

roman

[BestLion]

Read or see the UK news, and people are killing each other for designers crap on the streets, so when the ow so very clever illuminated ones start a food run, where the hell do you think you will hide?????????

any answers

roman
england has 62 million people and imports 82% of all food products also . :I did a research on this for a peak oil forum I was on" The Uk if a famine hits will be in dire straits!

[ROMANWKT]

I am sorry if I sound very negative, if you read my stuff you all know where I'm coming from, this aspect of reality is what we as a consensus had permitted to occur, there is nobody else to involve here its up to us as a consensus to change the wrong being done to humanity by you know who, and by ourselves for allowing this?????

Yes or no

roman

[ROMANWKT]

We have the army, the navy, and the air force, run by the Masons, so is the police and so are the politicians, they do not listen to the people, no matter what we do or what sit inns we attempt, we are voiceless and now very powerless to any worldly events. they start wars when they want, kill millions in your name, but that's OK we are alright this festive Christmas with food and all, until its our turn?????????

what say you??

roman

[BestLion]

ROMANWKT- unless the world find a new energy source in the very near future I think then indeed a food crisis will happen. TPTB control 80% of all food production-distribution and if oil gets scare..well the Piper is Coming for his payment!
England also stand at the very end of the Russian pipeline. They have depleted the North Sea oil to where now they are importing oil. They have depleted their coal, and cut down their forest..and also have increased population since 1945 -2 fold. Think in 1917 they near had a famine that near killed million via the German subs. And they had only 28 million people then. England also if you read the history before the industrial revolution could only support 6-10 million people. And this was when 80% of the population were into food production! Now .9% of the people in England are into food production.. 1% feeding the mass..Peak energy will happen in my lifetime..I am just living life now to the fullest before it comes.
Also about England they lost near all their colonies after WW2. They are by themselves and in a crisis each nation will have so many problems they will have a hard time just dealing with their own.
England is one place I don't want to be around 2020++ time!

[ROMANWKT]

Are these people above or below you, are they something very special that we fall into their authority, and what authority is above you do you think??, who placed that garbage into you, what authority is above the people, now that is a nonsense which we have all fallen trap into, having a bunch dickheads telling humanity where to go, I believe its us who have to state where we are to go or the way we should head, we are the humanity that are being misdirected by the few, we the people have the consensus power not the few.

where do we go from here???

roman

[Belle]

I've said it before and will say it again, spirituality and action in balance has the power to change things. I'm not saying to take up arms as long as you are spiritually aligned. If they are making moves in a direction we don't want to go, stand firm and don't go along. You don't have to make a big deal out of it...one small step at a time. Death by a thousand paper cuts.

[BestLion]

where do we go from here???
Well I think peak oil, peak natural gas, peak coal, peak population are very real, and are soon to show their hideous heads.
What to do? I'm just living life..tring to be positive and happy...if a new energy is not found or some type of intervention then the world is on the SS Titanic.
http://www.wolfatthedoor.org.uk/
you can read that, he covers the situation pretty well.

[ROMANWKT]

ROMANWKT- unless the world find a new energy source in the very near future I think then indeed a food crisis will happen. TPTB control 80% of all food production-distribution and if oil gets scare..well the Piper is Coming for his payment!
England also stand at the very end of the Russian pipeline. They have depleted the North Sea oil to where now they are importing oil. They have depleted their coal, and cut down their forest..and also have increased population since 1945 -2 fold. Think in 1917 they near had a famine that near killed million via the German subs. And they had only 28 million people then. England also if you read the history before the industrial revolution could only support 6-10 million people. And this was when 80% of the population were into food production! Now .9% of the people in England are into food production.. 1% feeding the mass..Peak energy will happen in my lifetime..I am just living life now to the fullest before it comes.
Also about England they lost near all their colonies after WW2. They are by themselves and in a crisis each nation will have so many problems they will have a hard time just dealing with their own.
England is one place I don't want to be around 2020++ time!

thank you BestLion

Your calculation are correct, and this also stands for all countries involved under the Rothschild control, thank you for that. did I tell you that my father was from Ukraine.

my regards to you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

I've said it before and will say it again, spirituality and action in balance has the power to change things. I'm not saying to take up arms as long as you are spiritually aligned. If they are making moves in a direction we don't want to go, stand firm and don't go along. You don't have to make a big deal out of it...one small step at a time. Death by a thousand paper cuts.

Spot on Belle

Hence the army and the navy and the air force no conflict just understanding, thank you
roman

[ROMANWKT]

where do we go from here???
Well I think peak oil, peak natural gas, peak coal, peak population are very real, and are soon to show their hideous heads.
What to do? I'm just living life..tring to be positive and happy...if a new energy is not found or some type of intervention then the world is on the SS Titanic.
http://www.wolfatthedoor.org.uk/
you can read that, he covers the situation pretty well.

best lion there is no shortage of anything in this world its all controlled, there is and has been free energy for almost a hundred years (check Tesla) they will not let us have it, and who the hell do they think they are, they are nothing but a bunch of bull**** which we stupidly gave our authority to them, its all based on confidence tricks of their superiority, nonsense.

roman

[ROMANWKT]

their superiority, is our inferiority complex that most of us suffer from, they establish themselves as a superior breed form us, by their greed, so called knowledge, bloodline and mambo jumbo voodoo crap, there is only one understanding and we and they all fall into it, don't ever think that they have something beyond what has been voiced here many time of the teaching that many of us already know, they and us all fall into the metaphysics of life.

what do you think

roman

[seko]

Read or see the UK news, and people are killing each other for designers crap on the streets, so when the ow so very clever illuminated ones start a food run, where the hell do you think you will hide?????????

any answers

roman
england has 62 million people and imports 82% of all food products also . :I did a research on this for a peak oil forum I was on" The Uk if a famine hits will be in dire straits!

It's time to grow food at home if you can or time to move to a warmer place where food is abundant.

I have in my garden, Basil and chillies.

Planning on plating tomatoes.

[ROMANWKT]

Many here have the power to raise the most positive energy's that have real power over the material, and many of them the dark ones have also the power to raise the darkest that overshadow us the beings, the power is real in this realm and they hold it all, but so do we, as long as we remove their teaching from within us, our power would overpower them hundred fold, for all existence is pro-life, they use anti life, and you have to work very hard to keep that darkness going, as they go against the stream, we on the other hand have only to remove nonsense out of our system to challenge them hundredfold, they have no chance, that is our consensus.

what do you think

roman

[ROMANWKT]

Again, who controls us, that would be the government, supported by the police, supported by the army, navy, and air force, so we have to turn our energy to the ones that support this nonsense, yes or no, who else are you going to direct your energy, the masons, the Illuminati, you're wasting your energy at them, put your energy to the supporters of this human dilemma, its our father brothers and sisters that support them that has created a hell on this plane, remove your support, and really where do you think the oh so illuminated ones are then, where they belong in the garbage.

what d you think???
roman

[norman]

Is a meritocracy of survival really what the human race needs right now?

I only ask, because that seems to be exactly what the "controllers" want, judging by their apparent intentions for us.

If we accept that. we are really in full alignement with them.

What else could we be aiming for, that counters their intentions with something better, if there IS something better?

Short of discovering physical immortality, we are all going to take our last breath in this lifetime. The information I've absorbed in recent years has made me realise there is something going on that is far bigger than just this worldliness we are experiencing right now. I'm still trying to get my head around what the problem is, if there is one.

[ROMANWKT]

I was going to write it all nonsense part 3, but I wont bother, because part 1 and 2 did not klick what was intended, part 3 would of been called " According to whom" All religions, all history, all science, a knowledge that has been allowed, only exits because they had allowed it, now what does that tell you, if its been allowed by the controllers you better dump it as it most surly is incomplete or a nonsense. you should always ask according to whom, and then some guy flick some pages in as book, or bring you load of you tube evidence placed by people who also flicked pages of a book that everybody refers to, all your referrals have been allowed by the controllers, and most of it is nonsense, which we all believe as truth, and truth is always according to whom, tell me all the thing that you have found only for yourself, and you will see it very little, now tell me all the things that you have learned, from what ever source, and its a lot, almost 99%, so if you are thinking what exactly am I to release from myself to reestablish my powers, think again, what you are allowed mostly is limiting to you. always. always according to WHOM.

All is possible here, even limited educational nonsense works here, always check your source of information, and most of the time if you are a thinking person, you will get the shock of your life.

what do you think
roman

[ROMANWKT]

Is a meritocracy of survival really what the human race needs right now?

I only ask, because that seems to be exactly what the "controllers" want, judging by their apparent intentions for us.

If we accept that. we are really in full alignement with them.

What else could we be aiming for, that counters their intentions with something better, if there IS something better?

Short of discovering physical immortality, we are all going to take our last breath in this lifetime. The information I've absorbed in recent years has made me realise there is something going on that is far bigger than just this worldliness we are experiencing right now. I'm still trying to get my head around what the problem is, if there is one.

Hi Norman

Well according to my information they have had immortality for a long time and you will never get it, nor will I, they have moved on long ways from us,we only are allowed the crumbs here, we as humanity are brilliant with brilliant mind, we can do and achieve everything we want, but will not be allowed by the controllers, they would not stand a chance if all of human ingenuity got loose, they would be wiped out, and they know it, hence the prohibition set by the arseholes from every avenue of life, they for that reason dumb as down as they would loose all control, possibly because they have not the brains, only genitalia, we are powerful, but very greatly restricted and controlled.

Regards to you Norman
roman

[joedjemal]

Is a meritocracy of survival really what the human race needs right now?

I only ask, because that seems to be exactly what the "controllers" want, judging by their apparent intentions for us.

If we accept that. we are really in full alignement with them.

What else could we be aiming for, that counters their intentions with something better, if there IS something better?

Short of discovering physical immortality, we are all going to take our last breath in this lifetime. The information I've absorbed in recent years has made me realise there is something going on that is far bigger than just this worldliness we are experiencing right now. I'm still trying to get my head around what the problem is, if there is one.

I don't think it's a matter of wants or needs, it's a matter of what is. Peak oil is, free energy is not, at least in any usable mass produced form that can replace tractor fuel, fertilisers, pesticides, herbicides all the stuff that currently feeds the world. We need immediate wide spread systemic change but you can't get ANY politician to talk about anything but growth. When I went to Brussels in 2004 just to try and get them to talk about it they sent me to coventry ( ostrasised me) and had the security services threaten me and sit either side of me for the rest of the conference. The young Swedish guy I went with was so frightened he wouldn't come back for the second day.

Doing anything effective about this would end their power because of the nature of the type of systems we would need. They would rather kill us all than that happen. But the people are in denial, they can't even think about it let alone do anything. The vast majority would never vote to end consumerism. So what can you do but simply arrange your own fossil fuel independant food supply?

I think the cash machines will stop working some time in 2012, then the whole thing will go into cascading systems failure. After that, who knows? Depends how the people react and where you are.

[Unified Serenity]

ROMANWKT- unless the world find a new energy source in the very near future I think then indeed a food crisis will happen. TPTB control 80% of all food production-distribution and if oil gets scare..well the Piper is Coming for his payment!
England also stand at the very end of the Russian pipeline. They have depleted the North Sea oil to where now they are importing oil. They have depleted their coal, and cut down their forest..and also have increased population since 1945 -2 fold. Think in 1917 they near had a famine that near killed million via the German subs. And they had only 28 million people then. England also if you read the history before the industrial revolution could only support 6-10 million people. And this was when 80% of the population were into food production! Now .9% of the people in England are into food production.. 1% feeding the mass..Peak energy will happen in my lifetime..I am just living life now to the fullest before it comes.
Also about England they lost near all their colonies after WW2. They are by themselves and in a crisis each nation will have so many problems they will have a hard time just dealing with their own.
England is one place I don't want to be around 2020++ time!

It's not a matter of if, but when the famine strikes. There will be a food shortage. Countries have been buying up food supplies, they have cut off exports, and there has been talk on some radio programs that this year could be pretty bad. Not only will some not have enough, but it will be very expensive to buy healthy foods. I can't wait to plant my spring garden and start canning.

[Unified Serenity]

We have all the ability to end their control if we just stand together. The problem is the petty divisions. I do not mean we should not talk about our differences, but the animosity with which we go into at times (I'm as guilty as the next and we have seen the war of words here on this forum and the hateful things said for and against stuff) is not helpful, but we cannot allow ourselves to be divided energetically from a spirit of unity for ending the system of control and looking for saviors. We must learn to stand up for ourselves, our loved ones and that takes a whole thought shift away from the next best guru, spiritual path, and learn that we are spirit beings building a physical world and that we have been herded towards an ultimate system of total control which is nearly complete. I posted this video on another thread, but I think it is very applicable here:

N4GIAdlbtLY

[baddbob]

To me in all comes down to faith. Having that little seed of faith and knowing that our loving creator has better plans for us. Fear and Love without one you cant have the other we have the love they have the fear. There is far more love than there is fear. Stepping back and looking at the big picture and the changes that are going on they are running scared they know there time is short. Everyday im seeing more and more love the awakening has really just begun for some. The peolple from thier side are coming foward "blowing the whistle" you cant stop the love. I will make plans to deal with there fear what ever it takes. But I know that the end game will bring the unconditional love that was meant for each of us. I will stare death in the face if need be because I know death is not something to fear but rather the begining of a marvelous journey and if I have to reincarnate for another tour then I will. Ive seen the better place I felt it in my heart and soul and im not going to let someone that thinks power and wealth is what life is about control my destiny

[DoubleHelix]

Many here have the power to raise the most positive energy's that have real power over the material, and many of them the dark ones have also the power to raise the darkest that overshadow us the beings, the power is real in this realm and they hold it all, but so do we, as long as we remove their teaching from within us, our power would overpower them hundred fold, for all existence is pro-life, they use anti life, and you have to work very hard to keep that darkness going, as they go against the stream, we on the other hand have only to remove nonsense out of our system to challenge them hundredfold, they have no chance, that is our consensus.

what do you think

roman

We have something they don't.. strength in numbers! The key is to realise that no matter how many cards they have in their deck, both subtle (media influence) and obvious (false flag attacks) they can't pull the wool over ALL our eyes. It only takes one informed citizen to make a change, imagine the reach of a ten thousand individuals united with the same commonality!

I think our biggest weapon is spreading awareness -- whether it be by handing out pamphlets or forming communities.. there are countless ways we can unify our intentions.

Our achilles heal is inactivity; armchair warriors won't win this war.

[blake]

and so the crises roll round, there will always be threats

communication, love and compassion, education and awakening - all is key

Hello Kate and all Avalonians,

Kate, I truely wish that I could believe you were right, that communication, education, and awakening were the keys to stop what is happening today. I do believe that at one point in time they were very important keys. Keys that I have used for many years. But in my humble opinion, I think it is too late in the hour for those keys to work any more, becasue all the locks have been jammed by human nature itself.

Today I read how the TSA confiscated a cupcake from a college professor. It does make for good copy, and it's a good story to either rant about, or to hide behind the laugh of a very serious issue; but somehow I think the cupcake being confiscated, as a potential danger to national security, metaphorically sums up where this train has taken us all.

How we all got on this metaphorical train, and how we all allowed the train to take us where it has , is no longer of any importance becasue we are now here, and it is best to stay in the present if one is to have any chance of surviving, in my opinion.

I think the game is over, we just have not been officially told yet. Did you read how the local police can request drones now for local police work against regular Amercan citizens? That too is the writing on the wall that it is all over.


I don't beleive in ascension, or aliens coming, or this nesara business; and I am not a scientist, so I can only conjecture about the sun and earthquakes. But I do understand money; and I do beleive money is the main indicator of where a civilizatation is. I do believe the financial collapse has already happened; and that soon we will be told that it has already happened. I do believe it will be the survivial of the fitness and the luckiest, who will be able to ride out the storm of that announcement.

My advice to anyone at this time, while you can, before it is announced, is to get in the best physical shape possible; becasue how far you can or cannot run, metaphorically or not; or how efficiently, or not efficiently your body and immune system works, may very well be the only weighing factor of whether you stay in the game (stay alive), or be benched in camp fema, or be killed. So sorry for the blunt remarks, but the question was about what we thought we are in store for in 2012.

The citizens of the world are facing a time that will be most trying. As much as humans don't like to believe that money makes the world go around, humans, through their lack of particpation in how the world works, has allowed that to be.

The financial collapsed, in my opinion, has already happened. I believe, we are just awaiting for the official announcement. Everyone can color in how they wish the end game will be played out. Some will be realistic, some will stay in fantasy as a pschological defense mechanism, much like vctims of sexual and physical abuse turn to for coping skills with such horror.

In my opinion, like in real life, there will be no knight in shining armor to come to anyone's aid. You must be preapred to save yourself when the world wide financial collapse is announced. It shouldn't come down to the survival of the fitness but in my opinion it will.

I send blessings to everyone that you may do what you have to do to keep yourself and your loved ones in the best shape possible this winter and this spring as we move into 2012. I do hope I am wrong. But numbers and human nature don't lie.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Sidney]

Great thread. My 2 cents worth is that good/evil all balances out. In the past, there have been many disasters, yet I have seen miracles just as big. I think this will ring true for the next half decade or so. My gut tells me, that maybe the worst thing that could happen is that a solar event will knock out the grid. Also, my gut tells me, that perhaps the Best thing that could happen is that a solar event will knock out the grid! : ) Don't scare. Prepare. Enjoy each day as if it is your last.

[araucaria]

Many here have the power to raise the most positive energy's that have real power over the material, and many of them the dark ones have also the power to raise the darkest that overshadow us the beings, the power is real in this realm and they hold it all, but so do we, as long as we remove their teaching from within us, our power would overpower them hundred fold, for all existence is pro-life, they use anti life, and you have to work very hard to keep that darkness going, as they go against the stream, we on the other hand have only to remove nonsense out of our system to challenge them hundredfold, they have no chance, that is our consensus.

what do you think

roman

We have something they don't.. strength in numbers! The key is to realise that no matter how many cards they have in their deck, both subtle (media influence) and obvious (false flag attacks) they can't pull the wool over ALL our eyes. It only takes one informed citizen to make a change, imagine the reach of a ten thousand individuals united with the same commonality!

I think our biggest weapon is spreading awareness -- whether it be by handing out pamphlets or forming communities.. there are countless ways we can unify our intentions.

Our achilles heal is inactivity; armchair warriors won't win this war.

I think we may be looking at a domino effect, except that any one domino - probalby more than one - may be the trigger, which makes the whole setup uncontrollable.

To that extent, we don't have an achilles heel at all: it may be an armchair warrior who starts winning this war - maybe something (s)he says, or doesn't say, does or doesn't do to someone. It may even be a member of the loyal opposition making a mistake: :)

It is often repeated that the ptw caused the world wars etc. etc. However, here is an alternative view:


It was 11 a.m. on a fine summer morning in Sarajevo, June 28, 1914, when the driver of an automobile carrying two passengers made a wrong turn. The car was not supposed to leave the main street, and yet it did, pulling up into a narrow passageway with no escape. It was an unremarkable mistake, easy enough to make in the crowded, dusty streets. But this mistake, made on this day and by this driver, would disrupt hundreds of millions of lives, and alter the course of world history.
Mark Buchanan, Ubiquity, p.3.

[Deega]

Thanks Bill to opened up this tread.

What may be in store in 2012?

Hmm!, here’s some personal insights. IMHO, to start with, I think it’s important to state that we are dualistic people living in 3rd dimensional world. That implies on the dualistic side, that we are creator manifest but we are fuelled by polarities, which make us take sides (common values) that end up at times in conflictual situations (great!). At other times, it will stall initiatives to collective actions for the betterment of people. I think that we will continued to be dualistic people in 2012, unless, we are involuntary inseminated a new dimensional genetic coming from Earth or the Universe!, if so, let’s hope that it will bring love, peace and harmony with all!

We live in systems, and many Canadians benefits from it (other countries, members will indicate…), free school for children, free hospital for the sick and dying, road to transport our needs, airport for transport of different kind, Medicare, ships ports for merchandise, unemployment benefit, old age security benefit, etc. If no economic collapse happened, it will remain the same. One domain seems to surface, Public Pension will live through tough time, to settle this problem, people will have to pay more to guarantee Public Pension, and it won’t be popular though!

We often decry the corruption of politicians, bureaucrats. And our mind made us think, at time, that being in their places, we would do better…!, and this I think is an illusion. So this side of the window will be the same in coming year, unless, something will change our genetics.

Unfortunately, we are set up in an Economic System that holds his ground on the fundamental principal that is “profit”. It’s the economic principal that has us moving toward money (illusion). And we know that money is power (because the Financial System wants it that way!) because it’s the medium of exchange for goods and services, and it allows the perpetuation of this system. Bear in mind that through history, different type of systems were tried out, and the “lesser of all the evil systems” prevail. So, if there isn’t economic collapse, things will stay the same.

And within this system, cheating, stealing, abusing, etc., are possible, it depends on the notion of people consciousness and not get caught. And, some people at some point in their life misstep somehow in this, so no surprise that those in power (government, financial institutions, politicians, others) slip and get corrupted. Here, nothing will changes, changes come with suffering unfortunately.

The system has a police force, army, navy, air force, secret agencies that are aligned in with the Law of the Land apparently and secret agenda. If there isn’t Economic Collapse, this domain will continue unabated.

People defiance as we have seen in Lybia, Egypte, Tunisia, Syria, US (Occupied Wall Street), and other countries around the world will continue.

Best wishes of health, peace, harmony to all members in 2012.

Deega

[Anchor]

I sometimes think that we forget the Earth is the lead actor.

In this reality in which Gaia is also a co-creator (of enormous and growing power). Humanity is just a side show; and in extremis, one that can be shrugged off - though it is obvious that Gaia has decided to suffer us for us so that we may learn from this extreme situation we find ourselves in. Gaia is the real hero in all this, and those lightworkers that are here to help her know what I mean.

I think that the 2012 "Ascension" that people go on about was never much about humans (though it will apply to the surviving ones) it was more about Earth - Gaia and she is on a timetable now - and that is what I think 2012 is really about. Many humans are still concerned with "I" and not "we" - let alone being concerned about the poor old planet.

Gaia has the resources to feed house and clothe us all IF we treated her properly and were more concerned with other people than we were ourselves. Yet we poison her for short term expediency.

I think I am more concerned with the Earth than I am with the machinations of TPTB, but you cannot ignore the later and that is what this thread is really focussed on.

So we need to reform our relationship with the Earth and each-other, and perhaps a possible famine will force what is left of the human race who refuse to address that issue? Or a pollution based pandemic? Etc Etc.

We have the power to stop all this, but it would seem the necessary catalysts are going to have to be ever stronger to get sufficient numbers to realize. TPTB may unwittingly provide that and in the end it will be their undoing. Those in charge know their "time is short". They know they cant live here and they cant have the Earth. The Earth is for the meek that will inherit it. It is for those that use power not force. It is for those for whom their brothers need is the measure for their action.

So there is likely to be a bumpy ride - so whats new? Have we not been on a bumpy ride already?

Remain being calm in the storms ahead, reform your relationships with the Earth and others, be ruthlessly positive and fear nothing.

[Bill Ryan]

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To add to the mix:

From http://naturalnews.com/032258_economic_collapse_2012.html :

14 signs that the collapse of our modern world has already begun




A lot of people believe the world as we know it is going to end on December 23, 2012. Nonsense, I say. The far more honest answer is that the end of the world as we know it has already begun. And it doesn't mean the end of the world; it means the closing of one era and the birth of a new one. It is a transition between the ages. This particular transition, however, promises to be the most tumultuous and costly transition humankind has ever seen.

But don't wait around for December 2012 to look for the signs. Here are 14 signs that the world as we know it is unraveling right now. We are living through the end of one era and the birth of a new one. In the future, they'll look back and call this all one moment in history, but when you're living through it, it seems to move forward at almost a snail's pace. But make no mistake: We are living through the opening chapters of the end of the world as we know it, and on the other side of all this will emerge a new world that's very different from the one we know today.

#1 - Tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis - At first it seemed like a fluke; but now it's a pattern. The weather is becoming increasingly extreme. Over 120 tornadoes recently struck the U.S. Midwest. Texas is on fire and suffering through an extreme drought. And where there aren't fires and droughts, there are floods. This is only the beginning... watch for more freak weather over the next 18 months.

#2 - The silence of the bees - Colony Collapse Disorder continues to accelerate across North America. We already know it's being caused in part by chemical pesticides (and possibly worsened by GMOs), but the chemical industry is engaged in a full-on cover-up to deny this truth while the pollinators of our world suffer a devastating population collapse.

#3 - The failure of nuclear science - The Fukushima catastrophe proves one thing: Scientists are dangerously arrogant in their planning of large-scale projects, and they fail to account for the awesome power of Mother Nature. Nuclear science promised us clean, green energy -- but now it has delivered a silent, invisible poison that's infecting our planet.

#4 - The vicious pursuit of Wikileaks - In an age of such rampant deceit, there is no room for the truth. So those who tell the truth (Wikileaks) are viciously pursued as if they were criminals.

#5 - The rise of the medical police state - The armed SWAT raids on Maryanne Godboldo in Detroit are only the beginning. The truth is that the medical system uses guns to force its vaccines and chemotherapy onto children and teens across America. The medical system has become so utterly useless, corrupt and dangerous that it must actually invoke guns in peoples' faces just to "convince" people to take its medicine. This is a gunpoint-enforced medical monopoly that exists as a threat to our health and our freedoms.

#6 - The increasing frequency of food shortages and crop failures - Notice the spike in food prices? That's just the beginning: Food prices will continue to skyrocket in the years ahead due to extreme weather, the loss of pollinators and the global contamination of crops by GMOs. Real food is becoming increasingly scarce in our world. You might want to think about starting a home garden...

#7 - The runaway destruction of the world by energy companies - The radioactive fallout from Fukushima isn't the only way in which energy companies are destroying our world: Don't forget about the Deepwater Horizon and the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico -- a spill that isn't over, by the way. They're still spraying Corexit in the Gulf one year later!

#8 - The continued GMO contamination of our planet - This may be the worst chapter in the coming collapse: The widespread genetic pollution of our planet through GMOs. This is a crime against nature and against humanity. It is a "gene spill" that may never be contained as it spreads its deadly DNA across the world's food crops, leading to crop failures and starvation. The use of GMOs is the closest thing to "Satanic" that you'll find in modern agriculture. The agenda behind this is pure evil.

#9 - The tyranny and criminal crackdowns targeting real food (raw milk) - When you can't even sell honest farm food to your neighbors without being targeted and arrested by the cops, something is terribly wrong with the world. But this is happening today, all across America. Now the feds are even targeting the Amish!

#10 - The escalation of the counterfeiting of the money supply - In a failed economic system approaching collapse, the moronic leaders can only think of "solutions" that actually accelerate their own downfall. The runaway counterfeiting of money by the Federal Reserve (with its "quantitative easing" and other counterfeit methods) is a classic sign that the end of our current system is fast approaching. The economic insanities are obvious to anyone who can still do math.

#11 - The plummeting intelligence of the masses - One of the most disturbing signs that we're already in the collapse is the great dumbing-down of the masses. The drooling, CNN-watching television zombies who dominate our landscape offer absolutely nothing of value to the world. They are the "mindless consumers" who get vaccinated, watch television and eat processed, pasteurized junk food. They're on psychiatric meds and believe everything the government tells them. Most of these people, of course, won't make it through the collapse.

#12 - The complete and utter fabrication of the mainstream news - Much of the mainstream news is now utterly and completely fabricated these days: The reporting on Obama's long-form birth certificate; the news about the war in Libya; the coverage of the economy and the U.S. debt... it's all so utterly false and unbelievable that an intelligent person watching the news can't help but explode with laughter. It is a sign of this collapse that the information sources relied upon by the masses are unable to report the truth anymore and must resort to weaving politically expedient fictions on everything from health care and medicine to the fate of the U.S. dollar itself.

#13 - The ongoing pharmaceutical pollution of our world - Beyond the GMO contamination and the radiation contamination of our world, we are also experiencing the mass pharmaceutical contamination of our planet. It's not just the pharma factories that dump their products into the rivers. It's also the fact that well over half the population is now taking drugs almost daily, and those drugs pass right through their bodies and end up in the water supply where they contaminate the fish. Even beyond that, the drugs end up in the human sewage sludge that's packaged and sold as "organic soil!"

#14 - The radioactive contamination of the global food supply - Here's one that's really insidious: The global food supply is now contaminated with the radioactive fallout from Fukushima. We're told the levels are "low," but we're not told the truth of how radioactive cesium isotopes persist in the food supply for centuries. How is the human race going to survive its exposure to CT scans, radioactive food, chest X-rays, TSA body scanners and even the secret DHS mobile X-ray vans that can penetrate your body with X-rays as you're walking into a football stadium? The total radiation burden on the human race is now reaching a point of mass infertility. That may be the whole idea, actually.

It's accelerating, too

December, 2012 may be a useful date as some sort of mid-point in the crisis, or perhaps as a trigger date for some further acceleration of society's rapid unraveling. But make no mistake: We are already living in the collapse of our modern world. And you have a front-row seat! (Exciting, huh?)

Think about what's happening around you these days. These are the signs of the last, desperate clutches of a civilization built on utterly unsustainable practices that don't value life on our world. These are the End Times of the corporate oligarchy; the monopolistic for-profit corporation machine that destroyed everything in our world in exchange for a slightly higher quarterly earnings report.

In the quest for more money, humanity has sacrificed its food supply, its pollinators, it's oceans, forests and soils. Greed-driven humans have used other humans as medical experiments and cannon fodder. We have created wars to sell more bombs, and we've invented disease to sell psychiatric chemicals.

These are the practices of a failed civilization... and one whose days are numbered. Watching it all crumble is far more interesting than watching it continue its destructive ways, of course, because those of us paying attention realize a future civilization must rise up in the place of this one after the collapse.

Say goodbye to the false power of institutions

It would be nice if our future leaders remembered the importance of liberty and personal responsibility, of course. The answer to all the world's problems, it turns out, is freedom -- freedom in medicine, freedom in economics and freedom from government tyranny.

Because, let's face it: The root cause of most these problems that are bringing down our world right now is bad government. It is bad government (Big Government) that approved the GMOs. Bad government enforced the medical monopoly and allowed the pesticides to kill the honeybees. Bad government drove us into inescapable debt and costly foreign wars. Bad government outlawed health freedom and protected the monopolistic practices of the food companies, drug companies and chemical companies.

The downfall of modern human civilization is, as you probably guessed, also the downfall of the very idea that Big Government creates a better society. Because if there's one idea that needs to stay dead after the collapse, it's the idea that We the People somehow need another group of people (government workers) to live off our hard work while hounding us with their false authority, directing every little detail of our lives.

What we need in our world isn't more government, but more freedom. If we had freedom, integrity and personal responsibility, we wouldn't even be facing the global collapse that has already begun. But alas, the human race is an infant species and it must learn some lessons the hard way, it seems.

This lesson should be long remembered: If you let the corporations, the banks and the governments run your economies, your farms and your lives, they will enslave you and steal your future while you sleep; they will inject silent poisons into the very world around you until you awaken one day to find that all you created has been destroyed. They will promise you paradise but deliver only death. Beware of any entity that is not a living person -- no government, no institution, no corporation has a soul, nor a heart, nor a conscience. They are forces of organized destruction that decimate those things we hold dear while delivering to us things that will only enslave us or harm us.

Beware the corporation; the government; the non-profit institution working as a front group for private industry. Never allow yourself to be ruled over by any institution which exists only as a fictional construct organized from the projection of human greed.

And be ready for the acceleration of the collapse. Because if you are reading this, you are the future of the human race. You have a duty to stay alive, keep your genes intact, and be around to help create the Next Society after this one crumbles into history.

[blake]

I sometimes think that we forget the Earth is the lead actor.

In this reality in which Gaia is also a co-creator (of enormous and growing power). Humanity is just a side show; and in extremis, one that can be shrugged off - though it is obvious that Gaia has decided to suffer us for us so that we may learn from this extreme situation we find ourselves in. Gaia is the real hero in all this, and those lightworkers that are here to help her know what I mean.

I think that the 2012 "Ascension" that people go on about was never much about humans (though it will apply to the surviving ones) it was more about Earth - Gaia and she is on a timetable now - and that is what I think 2012 is really about. Many humans are still concerned with "I" and not "we" - let alone being concerned about the poor old planet.

Gaia has the resources to feed house and clothe us all IF we treated her properly and were more concerned with other people than we were ourselves. Yet we poison her for short term expediency.

I think I am more concerned with the Earth than I am with the machinations of TPTB, but you cannot ignore the later and that is what this thread is really focussed on.

So we need to reform our relationship with the Earth and each-other, and perhaps a possible famine will force what is left of the human race who refuse to address that issue? Or a pollution based pandemic? Etc Etc.

We have the power to stop all this, but it would seem the necessary catalysts are going to have to be ever stronger to get sufficient numbers to realize. TPTB may unwittingly provide that and in the end it will be their undoing. Those in charge know their "time is short". They know they cant live here and they cant have the Earth. The Earth is for the meek that will inherit it. It is for those that use power not force. It is for those for whom their brothers need is the measure for their action.

So there is likely to be a bumpy ride - so whats new? Have we not been on a bumpy ride already?

Remain being calm in the storms ahead, reform your relationships with the Earth and others, be ruthlessly positive and fear nothing.

Hello Anchor,

I am a human who believes that there is such a thing as healthy fear. Of course, there is also the unhealthy paralyzing fear. But I think most well balance humans can use healthy fear to keep them safe. You want your one- year- old to know that touching the wood stove will burn his fingers and that it will hurt. Parents do that to manage the child's behavior with a healthy dose of realism. Fire burns your skin. Burns are painful, and can lead to infection or worse. The Message is not about fear but how to keep you safe and know what can be a danger to you. You want your child to understand about fire so he can keep himself safe and healthy around teh woodstove or any fire. I am sure, Anchor, that you understand the difference between a healthy fear and an unhelathy fear. So I am curious when you write to be "ruthlessly positive and FEAR NOTHING."

In your post you also write:

"I think that the 2012 "Ascension" that people go on about was never much about humans (though it will apply to the surviving ones)"

To me, such a statement would be a heads up that I better pay attention or I won't be one of the "surviving ones" What information about the bumpy rides do humans need to know to help keep them safe, or at least have a better chance of keeping themselves safe. Or are you saying they can't keep themselves safe, and not to fear death that is around the cornor from these bumpy rides?

Can you please define what you mean by bumpy rides? How do you define bumpy? Is it just a wild thunderstorm that you can sit by the woodstove and read a good novel until the storm passes and the power comes back on? Or are you talking about the bumpy ride of a deadly tsunnami taking the lives of innocent humans, children and elderly alike? Is that one of the bumpy rides you are referring to when you say FEAR NOTHING? Or perhaps by fearing nothing one should walk the streets at night in a rough neighborhood and think they will never come across a knife at their throat? And should it happen, since they Fear Nothing, they also didn't master the skills to protect themselves.

It is my opinion, if you know what you are up against, you can take responsibility for your life and strategize your safety and that of your family. To blindly walk forth in life not being observant to, and or aware of, the potential dangers that may or may not cross your path, is putting oneself and their family in danger.

I taught my children, when they were very young, how to take care of themselves, and now they travel the world enjoying its bounty, but also alert enough to side stepping any metaphorical fires, and yet skilled enough to take care of themselves should they need to. They have a healthy fear of what is out there. They learned to think quick on their feet. Yet there are some people who are so oblivious to the dangers of the world, that they can dance their way right into quicksand without the means, plan, or the skills to help themsleves out of that danger.

Every year, every day we, as humans face potential danger, either from circumstances, from another human, an animal, or mother nature herself. Mother nature can offer you assistance if you understand how to use her bounty. She can also kill those who are foolish in their actions. Having a healthy fear of mother nature will help keep yourself and your family alive and comfortable. I see fearless people by the ocean every summer, those are the ones who have no respect for the power of the ocean. We have rules and regulation in place to try and keep those fearless people from killing themselves and others through their fearlessness. In my opinion, part of common sense is understanding what you need to have a healthy fear of.

So can you please explain why you write not to FEAR ANYTHING. IN my opinion, and from my experience in life, it doesn't sound like good advice to me.

So what exactly is your message in this post?

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[Anchor]

Blake, Thanks for this. I will be back with a considered answer but I want to do it justice so I will take my time.

[Hervé]

This quote comes from another thread but my comment to it is more appropriate to this one:




[...]
It did happen in another timeline which i've seen happening where I live and it was very destructive within about 20 seconds when it started and there was a pre-warning if it happened then I had to go to Ecuador immediately!! (I get most of my info from dreams ,past,future,alter timelines,my own progress,etc)


Thank you for this data, Mu, which leads me to another one of these reverse speculation based on Noah and the "Pied Piper":


"They" have a knowledge of how the atavic or "body" memory works and so the fear button is being pushed very hard by triggering these ancient memories from all quarters; whether it being dreams, visions, media "news" of impending catastrophes, etc... and it is being orchestrated from beyond the veil (The programming of a Planet (http://www.lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip)).


With this world being made insecure in all directions and survival being threatened... here comes Noah and the "Pied Piper" with their solution... South America will be safe... an open air, natural concentration camp for all the psychics and dissenters to gather in, following the moves made by the, so-called, elite families...

(I was going to quote one of Siberia9's post here but, checking on it, he seems he has deleted it, one were his elite cousins was saying he would be in their soup...)

According to historical accounts, the "children" of Hameln were talked into moving somewhere else... since there was no hope for them, where they were, of ever owning land or making a fortune... whereas if they would help occupy these newly conquered lands... and so the able-bodied were recruited and the lames left behind.

Sounds familiar?

"Come to our ship if you want to survive..."

"You better ascend fast or else... all you need to do is tune in to our frequency and..."

"There is that twin Earth that's being prepared and we need people there to be its keeper... to maintain our galactic flag on it..."

"Simple, if you don't do like it says in the book, you'll go straight to hell!"


'noeuf said.


Something to consider with regards to how Machiavellian these controllers have been all along.

[Limor Wolf]

David Icke has said many times "I have not come here to lose".
Thousands of volunteers from all over the cosmos have come here for this specific occasion.
There are circles inside circles inside circles to this special 'story' that we are currently living,horrific and wonderul altogether and however we look at it,we can not see or get the whole wide picture.we can continue and pretend that society is nothing but a victim of an evil dark force,this is indeed a dark force behind those curtains,but we are not completely inoccent victims,we were also wonderfuly cooperating,we have bought whatever marchndise was in offer...

We have no choice now but to participate in the game,and we need to play our roles in it the best way we can.and whenever the fear rises,whenever despair crawls in,we better remind ourselvs that the truth of planet earth is much greater than the globalists and the dracos,there are other players and the human spirit shall prevail.
But we need to play our roles.

"When the going gets tough,the tough gets going" - JFK's father said that. I checked the meaning of it,and this is what I found:
Meaning: When a situation is difficult or dangerous, strong people work harder to resolve the problem. This saying relies on a difficult play on words; it could be rephrased word-for-word as: "When the situation becomes hard, strong people start working."

Since waking up,I have found an inner strength that I didn't know I have,and a silent encouraging wispering voice tapping on my shoulder,I am sorry to say,but I am not ready to believe that this game is finalized.
far from it.we need to fasten our seatbelts and get ready for a ride,a one that will not be easily forgotten,but we have great force behind us,we are not alone and will not be left alone in our devestation.
Its been said more than once that the darkest moment comes before the dawn.

And we as society need to unlearn and re-learn,we really do,because with hand on heart,we weren't always playing it nicely ourselves,not always providing the proper treatment for our earth,to our fellow animals,to our peers...than how can we request it from others.
Dare I say,the PTB is our own creation as much as we are theirs...
I am as certain as can be that if each of us weren't up for it,we wouldn't be talking about it so passionately here on Avalon,brain and heartstorming for possible solutions..

I am founding myself to be more blatant nowdays,trying to overcome my shy self and to express it direct to people,some of them stop and listen..confused,feel themselvs helpless,but derive power when hearing that there is something that can be done about it..
we will cross this final line and this controlling energy will have no choice but to surrender,or to disappear,because the earth will speak,and after it will,we will be there to spread out our own energetic grid,in contrast to what was here before.

I think David Icke is right,and - we have not come here to lose.
My 2 cent

[Ilie Pandia]

Hi Limor,

The thank you button is just not enough :)


but we are not completely inoccent victims,we were also wonderfuly cooperating,we have bought whatever marchndise was in offer...


Dare I say,the PTB is our own creation as much as we are theirs...

[Ilie Pandia]

I'd like to challenge this paragraph:


Because, let's face it: The root cause of most these problems that are bringing down our world right now is bad government. It is bad government (Big Government) that approved the GMOs. Bad government enforced the medical monopoly and allowed the pesticides to kill the honeybees. Bad government drove us into inescapable debt and costly foreign wars. Bad government outlawed health freedom and protected the monopolistic practices of the food companies, drug companies and chemical companies.

I do not believe that "bad government" is the root of these problems. Our own cooperation with the so called "bad government" is also a huge part of the problem. Our lack of care also another big part of the problem. Or as Wade Frazier likes to say the "bad government" is only a symptom and not the cause, personal integrity being the scarcest resource on the planet.

How many of you have tried to raise awareness about something that you knew is important only to be met with boredom or "polite interest". My biggest surprise when I've found Avalon is that we had only 2,000+ active members out of a population of 7 billion...

[grapevine]

My biggest surprise when I've found Avalon is that we had only 2,000+ active members out of a population of 7 billion...
Ker-ist Ilie, how would you mod that lot? You have enough on your hands with just us ............ :)

[Deborah (ahamkara)]

If you fall into the paradigm that you have something to fight, you have already lost.The reality of perfection exists right here, right now. I am disappointed that Bill has decided to retreat into such a reactive mode. Too each his own. Trust your own voice and once you discover your Truth, right action is inevitable. Peace.

[Marianne]

I dont know what is in store.

Somethings on that list may happen.

I hope I can remain in the fearless state I am now in :)

I've been talking about Earth changes and the side-effects on us of the Earths energetic changes since I comprehended the gist of what was going down in 2005 or so.

So much has happened. So many peopled dead, or homeless and hungry... Even though TPTB (/W!) want to prosecute their plan I plan on doing my part to ameliorate the effects of their VANDALISM.

I don't know what is going to happen, but I expect that those with the right hearts and minds will float through the challenges like a leaf blown on the breeze.

{ Or a plastic bag on its way to the group of plastic bags in the middle of the ocean (sorry surreal moment, decided not to edit) }

I don't know what is going to happen but I know what I want, and I reckon I know how to go about getting it (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?30238-Focus-on-what-you-prefer--want--not-on-what-you-dont-prefer--want--).

2012 is yet another series of steps to the future that I am proceeding towards. It will be like all the best and most successful holidays rolled into one.

Remember that fleeting moment when you stood in awe of some natural wonder?

The moments of most harmonious shared pleasure with a partner?

All those things rolled into one, and stretched out eternally.

The future I move toward, step by step, is that of excitement, joy and fun, it is love, care and happiness, it is shared, and it is one and all.

It will be here for us on this planet.

This is seriously what I want - and that is why I have a Vision of what I want and I use it to envision (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?10809-Lets-get-a-vision-going) and to make it so.

--

I live on a world where each person takes responsibility for each thought, action, word and deed.

I live on a world where each person lives in harmony with themselves, and in harmony with each of their other-selves and where each person lives in harmony with nature, the planet and all of her creatures and kingdoms, and ultimately in harmony with all levels of the entire manifest universe.

I live on a world that is free from tyranny, where each of the want-to-be tyrants and troublemakers have left never to return.

I live on a world that has been restored to its pristine vitality, purified on the land, purified in the air and purified in the sea.

For the highest and best good of all, make it so.

--

And that, my friends, is what I think we have in store in 2012 - some harsh changes, but this is the road we are ultimately on - well at least all those on my "timeline" - (chuckle)

Enjoy! Fear not!

Radiate the love, and radiate the light!

BRING IT ON!

John, thank you for this post!!

This is what I want to see too. I'm going to look at this again, every day and often, to remind myself to envision it.

Marianne

[Limor Wolf]

Bill,thank you for this opportunity to consider all we may encounter before us and to preper mentally wich is as important (if not slightly more) as physically..!

Adrian's Salbuchi's article as well as the second one by Mike Adams are both providing a direct view of what we are heading for, all hints are right infront of us.
hiding our head in the sand will not help,this is one case where - 'better Go overboard than be sorry... :)


"Watching it all crumble is far more interesting than watching it continue its destructive ways, of course, because those of us paying attention realize a future civilization must rise up in the place of this one after the collapse."

This is such a key sentence.the only other thing we better pay good attention to is Who is the contractor that will help us rise up this new civilisation,we better agree to it carefully..

"Good luck happens when preparedness meets opportunity"

A worthwhile discussion.

[meredith]

How many of you have tried to raise awareness about something that you knew is important only to be met with boredom or "polite interest". My biggest surprise when I've found Avalon is that we had only 2,000+ active members out of a population of 7 billion...

Agreed for the most part, Ilie. When I lurked at Godlike, though, I saw that there were plenty of people reading (allowing for bots and trolls, of course) the threads and being exposed to information similar to this thread. GLP threads do turn up in Google searches on such topics, so that increases the audience even further. Respones of apathy, boredom, or polite interest may not be what they seem on the surface.

While this thread is quite disheartening (bleak scenarios, almost no practical solutions), I have drawn one valuable conclusion. If our only hope is to awaken humanity and stop participating in our demise, we are getting good training in communication styles, logical debate, and persuasion, right in these exchanges with each other. We are familiar with each other, we can respect each other more or less :-/ because of our shared values and friendships. We are exposed to a wide variety of opinions and experiences, and we can learn how to approach others based on what we've done here. "How do I deal with the pessimist? The love-and-light New Ager? The hostile and the paranoid and the totally freaked out people?"

We can learn how to prepare for the physical changes that are coming, how to rise above the mental and spiritual challenges that are coming. Our time in Avalon could be most useful at a time when useful ideas seem to be scarce indeed.

[Phoenix]

My only real preparation is spiritual. In the end, that's all that matters, and I don't want to survive in a mad-max-style world. If we end up there, we've already lost in the short run and it will be a long hard slog to even get back where we are now.

Agreed. I'm quite surprised by this thread Bill as it doesn't really include anything new to assist in preparation it merely perpetuates and facilitates the unfolding inevitability. I know it's not anyone's responsibility to help others prepare, but an advert for the certain (when it absolutely isn't.......) is counterproductive imo, especially on a site where all this has already been said and is (for the most part) common knowledge here. I can only think that the purpose of this thread is a sort of "catch up" for those who are new to this or lagging? Before I get jumped on for daring to question the motive, please understand the question poses from a perspective of genuine confusion as to why this has been posted, not to break rank as it were.......

It's OK to question anyone's motive.

[nomadguy]

It is my personal theory that many people in this consensus ~are really at odd with themselves on many issues.
And this creates all sorts of mayhem. ~Look to self, an individual really can cause positive change to happen, and from the inside out.

[shybastid]

There was a funny story as told by Dennis Miller.
When we were kids growing up in the late 50's, early 60's, part of the fun of going to a McDonalds was when you ate in the car, you got to "chuck" your leftover garbage out the window. That was part of the ritual. I too did it in rural North Eastern Ohio.
Then the Indian with a tear in his eye came on T.V. and said to stop it.
We did. Now, I clean up trash here in Tahoe, regardless of who left it. It's part of the ritual of hiking in Tahoe.

When I moved to So. Cal in the late 70's, the smog was really overbearing. Eye burning. The EPA came in and said we need to clean it up. We did. When I go to So. Cal these days, the air is much cleaner when they're not spraying Chemtrails. It really is.

The effect of checks and balances is never a clean defined absolute. It's a process.

We now have 7 BILLION people on the Earth. That is MORE people alive at one time, then the COMBINED number of people who have EVER lived on Earth.

Where the heck did all these Souls come from? Waiting in line for this junk to happen? From where? Who's religion have they been waiting for? Pick one and I don't believe you. The other religions have value too.

There's going to be calamities we haven't encounterd before as a planet. There's never been this much activity with this many people at once. Is the United Nations going to solve issues? Some, until power and greed takover with who's in charge, as usual.

Repeated Calamities On The Planet? I tend to think we've had mass destruction on Earth more then once. It kinda depends where you live when they happen. We've rebuilt this planet. Is it a "cleansing" based on religion from God? Some of it? Mayyybe.

There are so many variables that can happen, I try to avoid singling out any one disaster that will "almost" wipe out the human race right into asension.

I could be wrong.

They have the "death pool" in Hollywood that's a yearly game. Who's going to die within the next year? You get points for accuartly getting the celebrities deaths correct.
SOMEONE get's the most right everyyear.

Out of all these doomsday predictions, one or more will land.

I get it.

I'm moving forward like no ones watching me dance. Cheers!

I picture a welcoming committee on the other side already practicing to greet a BUNCH of us to the other side. They got problems over there too. There's a lot of us.

No One Get's Out Alive.


I can hope. Happy New Year!

[CdnSirian]

There was a funny story as told by Dennis Miller.
When we were kids growing up in the late 50's, early 60's, part of the fun of going to a McDonalds was when you ate in the car, you got to "chuck" your leftover garbage out the window. That was part of the ritual. I too did it in rural North Eastern Ohio.
Then the Indian with a tear in his eye came on T.V. and said to stop it.
We did. Now, I clean up trash here in Tahoe, regardless of who left it. It's part of the ritual of hiking in Tahoe.

When I moved to So. Cal in the late 70's, the smog was really overbearing. Eye burning. The EPA came in and said we need to clean it up. We did. When I go to So. Cal these days, the air is much cleaner when they're not spraying Chemtrails. It really is.

The effect of checks and balances is never a clean defined absolute. It's a process.

We now have 7 BILLION people on the Earth. That is MORE people alive at one time, then the COMBINED number of people who have EVER lived on Earth.

Where the heck did all these Souls come from? Waiting in line for this junk to happen? From where? Who's religion have they been waiting for? Pick one and I don't believe you. The other religions have value too.

There's going to be calamities we haven't encounterd before as a planet. There's never been this much activity with this many people at once. Is the United Nations going to solve issues? Some, until power and greed takover with who's in charge, as usual.

Repeated Calamities On The Planet? I tend to think we've had mass destruction on Earth more then once. It kinda depends where you live when they happen. We've rebuilt this planet. Is it a "cleansing" based on religion from God? Some of it? Mayyybe.

There are so many variables that can happen, I try to avoid singling out any one disaster that will "almost" wipe out the human race right into asension.

I could be wrong.

They have the "death pool" in Hollywood that's a yearly game. Who's going to die within the next year? You get points for accuartly getting the celebrities deaths correct.
SOMEONE get's the most right everyyear.

Out of all these doomsday predictions, one or more will land.

I get it.

I'm moving forward like no ones watching me dance. Cheers!

I picture a welcoming committee on the other side already practicing to greet a BUNCH of us to the other side. They got problems over there too. There's a lot of us.

No One Get's Out Alive.


I can hope. Happy New Year!

I think every post in this thread is relevant. I mean, where should I begin? And what do I have to say? Nothing, really, except there is a lot of awareness in this thread, agreement, and disagreement. I just re-read through it all. Everybody's right in a way. Everyone is living a different life situation. The point being, we're here, we're discussing it. I know some of you may read this reply and think 'wtf?" and some may think "how bloody Zen!". Cheers to all.

[createnjoy]

I cannot attest to the veracity of this post by Benjamin Fulford, but it IS interesting and on topic...

Benjamin Fulford 12-26-11…”Major realignment of power taking place in Asia”… Humanity can free itself simply by deciding collectively to do so.”

http://kauilapele.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/benjamin-fulford-12-26-11-major-realignment-of-power-taking-place-in-asia-humanity-can-free-itself-simply-by-deciding-collectively-to-do-so/

[doodah]

A question for Bill:

You're in Ecuador now. What do you see happening there when the dollar crashes? As I understand it, the US dollar is the common currency of Ecuador. Have you heard anything about any plans for an alternative currency?

Kerry's postings about recent oddities in the banking system do raise some interesting questions, but I haven't seen any answers yet. Has anyone? If so, please post info.

[jcocks]

where do we go from here???
Well I think peak oil, peak natural gas, peak coal, peak population are very real, and are soon to show their hideous heads.
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All manufactured. There's HEAPS of oil, natural gas, etc out there. Heaps, and they keep on finding more. Well, maybe peak oil I can understand, but natural gas? Not where I live. Of course, we'll be exporting it to all you guys so we'll have to pay "open-market" (read "exorbitant") prices - our energy bills have doubled in the last few years, and they're telling us to expect more large rises.........

No, theres plenty of energy, but they hoard it to help perpetuate the lie of a lack of energy, and all so they can squeeze every last cent out of us...

edit :

Oh... And dont get me started on so-called "peak population" globalist SPIN... As has been pointed out before, we have enough food to ensure that NO-ONE on earth goes hungry! *N*O-O*N*E! So why do people go hungry? Have a guess....

Please think before you post - most of the issues were told about don't actually exist - its the ptb-controlled MSM sprouting their globalist propaganda to further their plans. Dont fall for it.

As I said in an earlier post, one of our main problems whwn trying to deal with issues here on this planet is getting real reliable HONEST information on the issues that actually exist - not globalist PROPAGANDA! We need this info to be able to know what to do, and if we rely on PROPAGANDA we will only be playing right into the ptb's hands, and we're doing that enough already, don't you think??

[wolf_rt]

So can you please explain why you write not to FEAR ANYTHING. IN my opinion, and from my experience in life, it doesn't sound like good advice to me.

Because you feed the trolls :-) the REAL ones.. not the internet type.

Caution is another matter entirely.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Adrian Salbuchi's Russia Today article, copied and referenced below, is so on-the-mark
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http://rt.com/news/world-government-conspiracy-therory-657

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Twelve Triggers for World Government
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1) Financial Meltdown. Since 2008, the Global Financial System continues on life-support. Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner and the US economic hit team – Robert Rubin, Larry Summers and Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, JPMorganChase mega-bankers working with the Bank of England and the European Central Bank – have not and will not take any measures to help the populace and ailing economies.
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Martin Armstrong spells out the upcoming financial collapse as well, concluding that it signifies the collapse of Western governments due to too much debt, not the full realization of world government.

See here (http://www.martinarmstrong.org/economic_projections.htm) for Armstrong's December 27, 2011 report The Coming Financial Border Controls It's Berlin All Over Again (pdf) (http://www.inflateordie.com/files/Financial%20Border%20Controls%2012-27-2011.pdf).

Armstrong makes a lengthy comparison to the collapse of the Roman Empire circa 300 AD. Here's a sample quote for what he says of our times:
Now what we face is continued economic contraction, rising prices, and far more aggressive taxation and enforcement. The economic projections are bogus and we are on the verge of a catastropic debt crisis that appears to be building starting in the summer of 2012. Despite the political statements that there is zero risk to a Eurozone breakup, the market disagrees. Capital is pricing a breakup and the bets are assuming that buying the German debt will result in conversion to the return of the Deutsche mark. Our political contacts assure us that Germany will blink and when it comes down to saving the Euro or austerity, the former will ultimately win. That means monetization – inflation! However, we simultaneously face massive DEFLATION from the deleveraging of the entire economy furthered by the banking system that has done a reverse takeover of government.
The debt will destroy Western governments, and those governments will take our lives, our property and our liberties in their struggle to survive.

[jcocks]

The debt will destroy Western governments, and those governments will take our lives, our property and our liberties in their struggle to survive.

Yes, but the problem is.... We all know that the governments aren't the ones really in control. So western governments collapse. This was the plan all along. Who (or what) takes their place?
Military rule?

[ThePythonicCow]

The debt will destroy Western governments, and those governments will take our lives, our property and our liberties in their struggle to survive.

Yes, but the problem is.... We all know that the governments aren't the ones really in control. So western governments collapse. This was the plan all along. Who (or what) takes their place?
Military rule?
I use, and I suspect Armstrong was using, "Governments" in the large sense -- meaning those who govern us, which very much includes the largest banks and corporations and those who control them.

The risk is that not much replaces it ... other than debt servitude for most of us, for generations to come.

The hope is that something better happens this time around, than happened after the Roman Empire collapsed.

How that hope would be realized ... I've little clue. But beware of false hopes. Like religion, they can be an opiate of the masses.

I figure that the more people who understand something of our true history and science, the better the chance that something good will rise from the ashes.

P.S. -- Yes, military rule, though not as the military being the top ruler, but rather as the military being an increasingly common tool for the use of the rulers to maintain control.

[araucaria]

The banks can repossess stuff, but only up to a certain point. They are discovering that a house is valuable property only to the extent that it can be occupied by someone. Widespread foreclosure can only destroy the housing market, leaving the banks with a load of worthless real estate. This is just one example.

The game of Monopoly only leads in one direction, and the 'game' is basically over long before the 'winner' finds himself playing alone and has become irrelevant to everyone else, who have struck up a conversation or moved on to doing something else.

[Anchor]

Blake,

Ok, I think I got everything you raised - let me know if you want more :)


I am a human who believes that there is such a thing as healthy fear.
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Of course, there is also the unhealthy paralyzing fear.

If I may, there is yet another kind of fear. Conditioned or learned fear. The pervasive kind that makes people perpetually and horribly concerned, worried pre-occupied and distracted. It is the kind of fear that responds to carefully created social situations and contexts, reinforced by things like TV, Legal acts, statutes, “government” officials, “terrorism”, advertising and main stream media. The list is large and sophisticated – those that created this fear based control system are masters of their art.

It is the kind of fear that underpins the decision processes in the proverbial “sheeple”[1] and ensures that the choices they make obtain the kinds of outcome that they don’t fear and that are desired by the controllers.


But I think most well balance humans can use healthy fear to keep them safe. You want your one- year- old to know that touching the wood stove will burn his fingers and that it will hurt. Parents do that to manage the child's behavior with a healthy dose of realism. Fire burns your skin. Burns are painful, and can lead to infection or worse. The Message is not about fear but how to keep you safe and know what can be a danger to you. You want your child to understand about fire so he can keep himself safe and healthy around teh woodstove or any fire. I am sure, Anchor, that you understand the difference between a healthy fear and an unhelathy fear.

I am sure I do understand what you are talking about. By combining our positions we can enumerate three main kinds of fear – there are even more: like fear of the unknown, phobia’s and so on.

1) The healthy kind (You choose to call it fear, I choose to call it applied knowledge)

2) Paralysing fear (You didn’t go into this kind which is to do with extreme situations, so I won’t either, but it is a bummer when it happens – and I have experienced it when I was a child and resolved not to experience it again and I have not. We can talk about this one separately – but I do concur, its real and when it happens you have, to a certain extent lost control)

3) Conditioned, pervasive, everyday fear – the kind that the sheeple may not even really have considered that they have.

I would prefer that any person, child or adult use discernment and wisdom to avoid accidents. I do not touch the stove to avoid a burn because I am afraid of the stove. I do it because I have learned to respect its heating properties and have trained myself to operate it safely. My job as an adult is to ensure that the child has been instructed in the safe handling of the stove, and if a child does make a mistake and get burned, that they do at least learn the lesson as increased wisdom, and not something that develops into a fear, that may end up with them needing to overcome that – in order to be able to cook my dinner later!

I have seen that there is a large effort in Australia to ensure that all dangerous trades are confined to appropriately licensed practitioners. People have become “afraid” of doing simple plumbing, or using a chainsaw; even climbing a ladder! They have been conditioned for a long time and have avoided acquiring the necessary confidence and wisdom to do these things. It is reinforced by TV shows that revel in accidents and misfortune of others, but with the side-effect of engendering fear.

I have a farm. I must use a chainsaw and a whole host of deliciously dangerous machinery. I am not afraid of the chainsaw, but I have trained myself in its use and I am very careful with it. I will never be afraid of it. I choose not to be afraid. If a council man comes calling for some reason, I refuse to immediately kowtow I will not act until I fully understand the situation – and if he has to answer a few thousand questions so be it. I know a good number of my rights and I am prepared to research act carefully and see things done properly and honourably.

When I was told I had (potentially) a fatal form of lung cancer, I was upset, but I was not afraid. It spurred me onwards – it had to really – if I was going to walk the talk, I needed to be able to laugh in the face of “certain death”, which for a few days appeared to be somewhat closer than I had originally expected; whereupon it was realised that a horrendous error in diagnosis had been made, I had my chance to see if this was all true for me – and it was.

I know that death is a big fear for a lot of people; but why fear something that is inevitable?


So I am curious when you write to be "ruthlessly positive and FEAR NOTHING."

Embodied in this simple call to arms is the desire I have to communicate to those who live in fear of things, and do things for fears sake rather than wisdom’s sake – to learn to let go of that fear.

The idea of being ruthless about it is that this for some is going to be a hard battle with their selves, and one has to be ruthless in destroying the old constructs. The work of shiva, the destruction of useless modes of thought and conditioning – requires ruthlessness or it would not get done. Letting go of fear is not easy. It is hard, and in my view necessary work.

The third kind of fear in my list, is nothing less than a spiritual prison; but it manifests as a conditioned response. Built in from an early age and compounded (if you let it) by all those previously mentioned factors.


To me, such a statement would be a heads up that I better pay attention or I won't be one of the "surviving ones" What information about the bumpy rides do humans need to know to help keep them safe, or at least have a better chance of keeping themselves safe. Or are you saying they can't keep themselves safe, and not to fear death that is around the cornor from these bumpy rides?

May I suggest that this could be a classic, pervasive fear kind of scenario?

I have released the fear over whether or not I shall survive. I do expect to and I have taken preparatory steps that should help me and some others based on my take on how things are working out for me and my own particular set of circumstances. If it doesn’t work out and I end up succumbing to a life ending event – I really don’t concern myself. It does not bother me at all. Been there a few times, tested it. Faith is a wonderful thing in those situations :)

A lot of my decision making is intuitive – heart led – and if you have any conditioned fear then that inner dialogue/intuitive process simply does not work. Control the fear, then it can. If the fear takes you and you lose control, then you won’t be making any choices, and your fate is then decided by others.

This thread is all about the bumpy ride and the kinds and potential qualities of those bumps. I have seen them referred to as “inconveniences” which I really like as well. It is just so random and offhand considering the potential bummers that TPTB have in the making – LOL

What you will never see me do is describe them as potential horrifying disasters in terms that engender fear and negativity. Why? Because I am aiming to be ruthlessly positive!

My take on this is that everything that happens to each of us happens for a reason. Everything that happens is modelled in divine perfection and therefore it is working out just the way that our souls needed it too and largely arranged for the purposes of experiencing making choices in various scenarios. I really do believe that the reasons we are incarnated and living in this reality NOW, is to experience how we make these kinds of choices.

To wit: of options A or B; were A is what TPTB want you to choose, and have done the hard sell on, will I choose A or B because I am following my heart or will I choose “A” really because I feared the implied consequences of choosing B? If I have any fear at all, the higher heart centred intuition fails me because I can’t hear it through the psychological noise created by the fear and thus, the fear denies me the opportunity of being led by the light and the love of creation and of my soul’s purpose.


Can you please define what you mean by bumpy rides? How do you define bumpy? Is it just a wild thunderstorm that you can sit by the woodstove and read a good novel until the storm passes and the power comes back on? Or are you talking about the bumpy ride of a deadly tsunnami taking the lives of innocent humans, children and elderly alike?

There is a reason I don’t fear death, and that is my complete and personal state of absolute certainty and inner-knowing that my soul is immortal, and that is having a finite human experience which WILL with absolute certainty result in death at some point. The timing and mode of it is just – well – a point of potential interest :)

Any of those catalysts you mentioned fit within the bumpy ride scenarios. I’m in Australia so locally it would be drought, bush fires, chemical leaks, mining disasters, famine, zombie kangaroo invasions etc


Is that one of the bumpy rides you are referring to when you say FEAR NOTHING? Or perhaps by fearing nothing one should walk the streets at night in a rough neighborhood and think they will never come across a knife at their throat? And should it happen, since they Fear Nothing, they also didn't master the skills to protect themselves.

Yes. Fear nothing. Don’t fear the unknown.

Act wisely though, if you need to sell your cape to buy a sword, and IF that’s what your higher self/heart/intuition is really telling you to do, then do it. However – if you fear the outcomes – you won’t be able to ask anyway, or if you do, you won’t hear the answer and even if perchance you are graced with that regardless, then will you have faith enough to follow the answer?

Starting at Luke 22:35 there is a short passage that seems relevant. “And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing”

See no worries?

“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

Are we provided for, in bodily needs including safety by our own higher powers? If not then prep-up. There are those on this forum that advocate not even taking any preparations since that admits a lack of faith that the creator will provide for your needs. I am not that perfect, but my recent life has shown me that I am provided for in so many ways. This then is my admission that my faith has it limits! I will act according to my heart, and I have accordingly had to make some preparations for some interesting times immediately ahead.


So can you please explain why you write not to FEAR ANYTHING. IN my opinion, and from my experience in life, it doesn't sound like good advice to me.

I hope I have explained it. I tried quite hard, but if I need to clarify yet more; please do ask away. I love questions like this actually.


So what exactly is your message in this post?

Mmm...

Free your self from the impediments that prevent you from taking action based on your highest and best intuition. Break away from wrongly conditioned fear. Do not fear the unknown. Have faith in yourself – you can navigate the unknown. Be wise. Don’t be foolish. Don’t be scared to make mistakes, thats how we learn. When it comes to breaking down the conditioning of fear in the self, be ruthless!

Be wise. Don’t stand in front of a gunman, unless you really have got something of vital “on-mission” importance to do that requires that (like the guy who stood in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square – completely empowered in his own faith and power maybe physically afraid, but supremely confident in his purpose and actions).

John..

[1] “Sheeple” - David Icke, we love you for that among all the other good meme’s you have created!

[ThePythonicCow]

The banks can repossess stuff, but only up to a certain point. They are discovering that a house is valuable property only to the extent that it can be occupied by someone. Widespread foreclosure can only destroy the housing market, leaving the banks with a load of worthless real estate. This is just one example.
As Armstrong explains in his article I linked, the long term value of the property is in the rent income it produces, and in gaining control of it.

When a government (more properly in this case an empire, including its ruling elite and financiers) goes off the deep end this way, with debt and unfunded liabilities far in excess of anything that could possibly be paid, their focus is no longer (if it ever was) on what's a healthy economy, healthy real estate market, or healthy balance sheet.

They become desperate control freaks. Unlike the game of Monopoly, they do their best to see that we cannot walk away, but rather become their debt and tax serfs. They dare not take their Jack boot off our necks, for fear we will rise up.

[Bill Ryan]

A question for Bill:

You're in Ecuador now. What do you see happening there when the dollar crashes? As I understand it, the US dollar is the common currency of Ecuador. Have you heard anything about any plans for an alternative currency?

Kerry's postings about recent oddities in the banking system do raise some interesting questions, but I haven't seen any answers yet. Has anyone? If so, please post info.

Hi, there --

I was talking about this with a friend yesterday, who was around when the sucre crashed in 1999.

The sucre was Ecuador's previous currency. The gas ran out, and all the banks were closed. Anyone who had any money in the banks lost everything they had deposited. But no-one really suffered, as there was plenty of food around still, water is plentiful (the rights of every citizen to water access are built into the constitution), and there is no need for heating or air conditioning in a climate that is equable all year round.

All my warmest wishes to you as always -- Bill

[Falcor]

I sit and wonder at times why I signed up for the "planet Earth tour of duty".

lol i catch myself here sometimes..... then this little voice reminds me .....that its not about me :)

cheers

[Kate]

brilliant post John - spot on

Kate

[Nickolai]

Dear DoubleHelix,
Actulally questions: Why do you think that this reality has a meaning? Who told you that this experience extends the soul development?
I have found that those explanations explain lots of suffering and actually justify them. But if those were not true.

I ask this just to get some thoughts from you/people for I used to believe in this stuff but more and more I feel confused. Some years ago everything seemed to be so good and well, the planet was evolving and that stuff, I felt the iternal growth, then everything got darker. There is so much bloody unjustice? So many babies/people die daily, so many tears?
Even with the human eathly mind, this is BAD. On the upper scale it is just an intermediate scale? I read that they say that all goes well, not smoothly but well, as it should be. And yes, they are helping. Question: what way? Are they helping in commenting on the events? Do they know what a physical pain is? What the torture is? What the hunger is? What the revolution/civil war is?
I guess not. But we are star people who chose to come in these magnificent times, to help the planet Earth to evolve (in other places she does without help but still this is the school where we should develope in our understanding)>

God knows! Years ago I was so uplifted with those messages. Not now! Especially when it comes with the non-interference! Ugly!
If we see the the house full of children and we see that those children are about to set the house on fire, will we not interfere? Or we just sit down and quietly watch how the show goes on?
Am I wrong to compare the situation? If we interfere will it be interference or just helping as much experienced species?

I read all those beloved materials where they confirm that those are difficult times but there is one angry thought that comes to mind:Creatures that are so shining, you are bloody not human! You do not understand what that means to see the remnants of the dear body, you do not know what it means that someone's life in danger! But then you say that all goes well? That the gorgeous plan is in progress?
Can someone please explain what I can not get?

I do not get it!
Any thoughts?

Nickolai

[Nickolai]

Dear Bill,
Happy Equador!
Any suggestions to the russian citizen? No possibility to go to Equador, no river to get clean water from. I use electrical heating here as well as computer.
Any suggestions? Any source for info?

Nickolai

[childs hood end]

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To add to the mix:

From http://naturalnews.com/032258_economic_collapse_2012.html :

14 signs that the collapse of our modern world has already begun




A lot of people believe the world as we know it is going to end on December 23, 2012. Nonsense, I say. The far more honest answer is that the end of the world as we know it has already begun. And it doesn't mean the end of the world; it means the closing of one era and the birth of a new one. It is a transition between the ages. This particular transition, however, promises to be the most tumultuous and costly transition humankind has ever seen.

But don't wait around for December 2012 to look for the signs. Here are 14 signs that the world as we know it is unraveling right now. We are living through the end of one era and the birth of a new one. In the future, they'll look back and call this all one moment in history, but when you're living through it, it seems to move forward at almost a snail's pace. But make no mistake: We are living through the opening chapters of the end of the world as we know it, and on the other side of all this will emerge a new world that's very different from the one we know today.

#1 - Tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes and tsunamis - At first it seemed like a fluke; but now it's a pattern. The weather is becoming increasingly extreme. Over 120 tornadoes recently struck the U.S. Midwest. Texas is on fire and suffering through an extreme drought. And where there aren't fires and droughts, there are floods. This is only the beginning... watch for more freak weather over the next 18 months.

#2 - The silence of the bees - Colony Collapse Disorder continues to accelerate across North America. We already know it's being caused in part by chemical pesticides (and possibly worsened by GMOs), but the chemical industry is engaged in a full-on cover-up to deny this truth while the pollinators of our world suffer a devastating population collapse.

#3 - The failure of nuclear science - The Fukushima catastrophe proves one thing: Scientists are dangerously arrogant in their planning of large-scale projects, and they fail to account for the awesome power of Mother Nature. Nuclear science promised us clean, green energy -- but now it has delivered a silent, invisible poison that's infecting our planet.

#4 - The vicious pursuit of Wikileaks - In an age of such rampant deceit, there is no room for the truth. So those who tell the truth (Wikileaks) are viciously pursued as if they were criminals.

#5 - The rise of the medical police state - The armed SWAT raids on Maryanne Godboldo in Detroit are only the beginning. The truth is that the medical system uses guns to force its vaccines and chemotherapy onto children and teens across America. The medical system has become so utterly useless, corrupt and dangerous that it must actually invoke guns in peoples' faces just to "convince" people to take its medicine. This is a gunpoint-enforced medical monopoly that exists as a threat to our health and our freedoms.

#6 - The increasing frequency of food shortages and crop failures - Notice the spike in food prices? That's just the beginning: Food prices will continue to skyrocket in the years ahead due to extreme weather, the loss of pollinators and the global contamination of crops by GMOs. Real food is becoming increasingly scarce in our world. You might want to think about starting a home garden...

#7 - The runaway destruction of the world by energy companies - The radioactive fallout from Fukushima isn't the only way in which energy companies are destroying our world: Don't forget about the Deepwater Horizon and the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico -- a spill that isn't over, by the way. They're still spraying Corexit in the Gulf one year later!

#8 - The continued GMO contamination of our planet - This may be the worst chapter in the coming collapse: The widespread genetic pollution of our planet through GMOs. This is a crime against nature and against humanity. It is a "gene spill" that may never be contained as it spreads its deadly DNA across the world's food crops, leading to crop failures and starvation. The use of GMOs is the closest thing to "Satanic" that you'll find in modern agriculture. The agenda behind this is pure evil.

#9 - The tyranny and criminal crackdowns targeting real food (raw milk) - When you can't even sell honest farm food to your neighbors without being targeted and arrested by the cops, something is terribly wrong with the world. But this is happening today, all across America. Now the feds are even targeting the Amish!

#10 - The escalation of the counterfeiting of the money supply - In a failed economic system approaching collapse, the moronic leaders can only think of "solutions" that actually accelerate their own downfall. The runaway counterfeiting of money by the Federal Reserve (with its "quantitative easing" and other counterfeit methods) is a classic sign that the end of our current system is fast approaching. The economic insanities are obvious to anyone who can still do math.

#11 - The plummeting intelligence of the masses - One of the most disturbing signs that we're already in the collapse is the great dumbing-down of the masses. The drooling, CNN-watching television zombies who dominate our landscape offer absolutely nothing of value to the world. They are the "mindless consumers" who get vaccinated, watch television and eat processed, pasteurized junk food. They're on psychiatric meds and believe everything the government tells them. Most of these people, of course, won't make it through the collapse.

#12 - The complete and utter fabrication of the mainstream news - Much of the mainstream news is now utterly and completely fabricated these days: The reporting on Obama's long-form birth certificate; the news about the war in Libya; the coverage of the economy and the U.S. debt... it's all so utterly false and unbelievable that an intelligent person watching the news can't help but explode with laughter. It is a sign of this collapse that the information sources relied upon by the masses are unable to report the truth anymore and must resort to weaving politically expedient fictions on everything from health care and medicine to the fate of the U.S. dollar itself.

#13 - The ongoing pharmaceutical pollution of our world - Beyond the GMO contamination and the radiation contamination of our world, we are also experiencing the mass pharmaceutical contamination of our planet. It's not just the pharma factories that dump their products into the rivers. It's also the fact that well over half the population is now taking drugs almost daily, and those drugs pass right through their bodies and end up in the water supply where they contaminate the fish. Even beyond that, the drugs end up in the human sewage sludge that's packaged and sold as "organic soil!"

#14 - The radioactive contamination of the global food supply - Here's one that's really insidious: The global food supply is now contaminated with the radioactive fallout from Fukushima. We're told the levels are "low," but we're not told the truth of how radioactive cesium isotopes persist in the food supply for centuries. How is the human race going to survive its exposure to CT scans, radioactive food, chest X-rays, TSA body scanners and even the secret DHS mobile X-ray vans that can penetrate your body with X-rays as you're walking into a football stadium? The total radiation burden on the human race is now reaching a point of mass infertility. That may be the whole idea, actually.

It's accelerating, too

December, 2012 may be a useful date as some sort of mid-point in the crisis, or perhaps as a trigger date for some further acceleration of society's rapid unraveling. But make no mistake: We are already living in the collapse of our modern world. And you have a front-row seat! (Exciting, huh?)

Think about what's happening around you these days. These are the signs of the last, desperate clutches of a civilization built on utterly unsustainable practices that don't value life on our world. These are the End Times of the corporate oligarchy; the monopolistic for-profit corporation machine that destroyed everything in our world in exchange for a slightly higher quarterly earnings report.

In the quest for more money, humanity has sacrificed its food supply, its pollinators, it's oceans, forests and soils. Greed-driven humans have used other humans as medical experiments and cannon fodder. We have created wars to sell more bombs, and we've invented disease to sell psychiatric chemicals.

These are the practices of a failed civilization... and one whose days are numbered. Watching it all crumble is far more interesting than watching it continue its destructive ways, of course, because those of us paying attention realize a future civilization must rise up in the place of this one after the collapse.

Say goodbye to the false power of institutions

It would be nice if our future leaders remembered the importance of liberty and personal responsibility, of course. The answer to all the world's problems, it turns out, is freedom -- freedom in medicine, freedom in economics and freedom from government tyranny.

Because, let's face it: The root cause of most these problems that are bringing down our world right now is bad government. It is bad government (Big Government) that approved the GMOs. Bad government enforced the medical monopoly and allowed the pesticides to kill the honeybees. Bad government drove us into inescapable debt and costly foreign wars. Bad government outlawed health freedom and protected the monopolistic practices of the food companies, drug companies and chemical companies.

The downfall of modern human civilization is, as you probably guessed, also the downfall of the very idea that Big Government creates a better society. Because if there's one idea that needs to stay dead after the collapse, it's the idea that We the People somehow need another group of people (government workers) to live off our hard work while hounding us with their false authority, directing every little detail of our lives.

What we need in our world isn't more government, but more freedom. If we had freedom, integrity and personal responsibility, we wouldn't even be facing the global collapse that has already begun. But alas, the human race is an infant species and it must learn some lessons the hard way, it seems.

This lesson should be long remembered: If you let the corporations, the banks and the governments run your economies, your farms and your lives, they will enslave you and steal your future while you sleep; they will inject silent poisons into the very world around you until you awaken one day to find that all you created has been destroyed. They will promise you paradise but deliver only death. Beware of any entity that is not a living person -- no government, no institution, no corporation has a soul, nor a heart, nor a conscience. They are forces of organized destruction that decimate those things we hold dear while delivering to us things that will only enslave us or harm us.

Beware the corporation; the government; the non-profit institution working as a front group for private industry. Never allow yourself to be ruled over by any institution which exists only as a fictional construct organized from the projection of human greed.

And be ready for the acceleration of the collapse. Because if you are reading this, you are the future of the human race. You have a duty to stay alive, keep your genes intact, and be around to help create the Next Society after this one crumbles into history.



Maybe a vid on this might be a good idea bill,

Peace.

[ghostrider]

a thought, .. we make it past 2012 no problems, they then have no fear weapon to control the masses anymore. we're in 2013 and the world didn't end. new plans are needed or time to tell the truth... I hope ego, evil, and selfish warmongers are removed from earth forever.....wouldn't it be great if in dec 2012 the myans came back to earth ?

[jasontorque]

Whilst I am concerned that many roads are starting to meander in this direction, I am mindful of critical-mass, in a positive and rather simple way. I guess probabilities might come in to play, however, coupled with my very firm belief in the good of most people, if the equation becomes top-heavy in terms of banks, institutions and even the military enforcing property repossessions or marshal law en-mass, then I believe the population simply would not stand for it. I have a hunch that this is what all the preparation people like Pete Peterson were referring to. I am sure they have run all the models they can but the end result is unavoidable and in the favour of the average person, if peoples lives are disadvantaged on such a scale over what essentially is digits entered on a computer screen.

[ks4ever]

High Bill,

Thanks for this thread and your contribution for having awakened me even more than I could have ever imagined.

I have been waiting for sixty years for this present period in time and along with others I have come into contact with over the last ten years, I along with those I have kept in contact with have now got most of their preparations in place.

I am glad to hear you have moved to a safer location, but expected you would make that move when your time was right.

We are indeed moving into an interesting period in our evolution and I only hope this human body of mine lasts long enough to live through the experience.

I have begun to carry out the purpose for which I came for in this time and it is going to be quite a ride.

I wish you and everyone else in this forum my eternal love and gratitude for their contributions and will make more comments and disclosures in the future when it becomes appropriate to do so.

"May the road rise up to meet you,
May the wind be always at your back,
May the sun shine warm upon your face,
And the rains fall soft upon your fields. . ."

[araucaria]

The banks can repossess stuff, but only up to a certain point. They are discovering that a house is valuable property only to the extent that it can be occupied by someone. Widespread foreclosure can only destroy the housing market, leaving the banks with a load of worthless real estate. This is just one example.
As Armstrong explains in his article I linked, the long term value of the property is in the rent income it produces, and in gaining control of it.

When a government (more properly in this case an empire, including its ruling elite and financiers) goes off the deep end this way, with debt and unfunded liabilities far in excess of anything that could possibly be paid, their focus is no longer (if it ever was) on what's a healthy economy, healthy real estate market, or healthy balance sheet.

They become desperate control freaks. Unlike the game of Monopoly, they do their best to see that we cannot walk away, but rather become their debt and tax serfs. They dare not take their Jack boot off our necks, for fear we will rise up.

Yes Paul, but (at least as far as the banks are concerned), I'd like to think I'm not the only one here with no jack boots on my neck. This is an important part of the preparedness we are all talking about.

[Jean-Luc]

I am founding myself to be more blatant nowdays,trying to overcome my shy self and to express it direct to people,some of them stop and listen..confused,feel themselvs helpless,but derive power when hearing that there is something that can be done about it..


Thumbs up Limor : for a shy person, you're doing a pretty good job
Contrary to the falling fiat money's all around, I would re-evaluate "your 2 cents" to much more than that :)

[Jean-Luc]

In case you had some doubts or just to hit the nail down, here are the:

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The top 10 conspiracy facts of 2011,
an article by Mike Adams of Dec 27

http://www.naturalnews.com/034501_conspiracy_theories_facts_2011.html#ixzz1hx1Q3LKa

(NaturalNews) 2011 was the year in which many conspiracy "theories" became conspiracy FACTS. Articles that used to earn you a tinfoil hat designation suddenly were front-page news stories across the country. The world is stranger than we can imagine, it seems, and 2011 proved it yet again.

Here are the top ten conspiracy facts that emerged over the last year:

#1 - Obama admits U.S. government used Guatemalan prisoners for illegal medical experiments
When we exposed the U.S. government's long list of medical crimes against humanity back in 2006, the mainstream media was silent (http://www.naturalnews.com/019187.html). People insisted the government was ethical and honest, and it could never be involved in crimes against humanity. (ROFL!) When the truth came out about Guatemalan prisoner experiments, however, it went viral so quickly the mainstream media couldn't whitewash the story.

So now, the whole world knows the U.S. government and its National Institutes of Health (NIH) are medical criminals that murder innocent human beings in order to study new drugs for Big Pharma:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033483_G...

#2 - FDA caught using KGB-style infiltration and spying techniques to entrap raw milk distribution hub
It's legal to sell unpasteurized orange juice in America as long as you put a label on it, but selling unpasteurized milk earns you the "KGB treatment" from the FDA and the California Dept. of Agriculture, both of which have become criminal gangs running vindictive vengeance campaigns against target innocents. NaturalNews broke the story of how the FDA used spy cameras, secret infiltration techniques and other traps to gather evidence before raiding Rawesome Foods at gunpoint, then destroying $50,000+ in food in front of astonished witnesses.
http://www.naturalnews.com/033428_F...

#3 - Institute of Medicine's links with military industrial complex exposed by NaturalNews
In yet another investigative story that NaturalNews broke in 2011, we dug into the funding sources of the Institute of Medicine and discovered it receives enormous financial support from the Pentagon, military defense contractors and numerous globalist organizations that profit from war. No wonder the IOM promotes vaccines so aggressively -- it's a war against humanity, waged one syringe at a time. Read more:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033455_I...

#4 - USDA caught running animal mass murder programs to kill birds and mammals
To the shock of many, the USDA was exposed this year for operating mass-murder programs that target animals such as birds, foxes, wild pigs and other creatures. This is primarily accomplished with mass poisoning chemicals that also end up killing other animals such as Bald Eagles.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031076_U...

#5 - Weather control technology confirmed and functional near Abu Dhabi
Mention "weather control technology" to your average fluoride head, and they think you're some kind of "wingnut" conspiracy theorist. Yet weather control technology is in full operation just outside Abu Dhabi, where a huge array of negative ion generators produce artificial rain storms that dump millions of gallons of fresh water on the desert landscape:
http://www.naturalnews.com/030998_w...

#6 - InfoWars releases hidden camera water fluoridation video
Let there be no doubt about how dangerous, corrosive and even deadly those toxic fluoride chemicals really are. Alex Jones and the InfoWars team grabbed undercover water fluoridation video in Austin, Texas, and posted it on the internet. What's admitted on the video should be shocking to everyone:
http://www.naturalnews.com/033753_w...

#7 - Documents prove Dr. Wakefield was innocent, BMJ conspired to discredit him
In a turn of events that has yet to be acknowledged by the mainstream media, Dr. Andrew Wakefield was proven innocent of the spurious charges leveled against him. Documents prove that he did not fabricate his research as was claimed by the medical journals and the mainstream media, including CNN. In fact, the accusation itself was the real criminal fabrication.
http://www.naturalnews.com/031116_D...

See this story to learn more (and watch the video):
http://www.naturalnews.com/031211_A...

#8 - USDA conspires with Monsanto to de-regulate GE alfalfa
There's nothing quite like GMOs to slow-kill an entire nation. You get increased infertility, organ toxicity and runaway environmental contamination, too. In 2011, the USDA went all out on attacking the world with GMOs, unleashing both GE alfalfa and GE corn on the U.S. public:
http://www.naturalnews.com/031139_G...

GE corn:
http://www.naturalnews.com/031359_G...

#9 - FDA admits factory-produced chicken meat contains arsenic
In 2011, the mainstream media went crazy reporting trace levels of arsenic in apple juice, but it never bothered to report on the much higher concentrations of arsenic found in chicken meat. Our NaturalNews story on arsenic found in chicken meat received a whopping 78,000 Facebook shares in 2011, making it one of our highest-shared stories of the year:
http://www.naturalnews.com/032659_a...

#10 - Merck vaccine scientist Dr. Maurice Hilleman admits vaccines contain cancer-causing viruses
Dr. Maurice Hilleman's secret vaccine recording emerged in 2011, causing shockwaves of disbelief to spread across the internet as people heard this Merck scientist laughing it up with other scientists as they joked about all the people who would die from cancer tumors after taking vaccine shots. You can hear the recording yourself on NaturalNews.TV. Click this link for details:

http://www.naturalnews.com/033584_D...

Watch for more conspiracy facts to emerge in 2012. NaturalNews will continue to bring you those news reports in a timely manner.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/034501_conspiracy_theories_facts_2011.html#ixzz1hx10FGyt


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One thing strikes me. Most of these, together with today's BPA/eugenics story on Infowars (http://www.infowars.com/alex-jones-on-the-full-spectrum-biologicaleugenics-assault-against-humanity/), are long term stuff.

Yes, it seems things are accelerating, but I see no reason for 2012 to be an apex of any kind.

Unless WWIII starts to hit the fan.

[Amysenthia]

Who knows for sure what this year will reveal. I for one hope that it shows those of light will come out on top!! I will fight for goodness, I will fight for those with me that are against darkness, I will fight that everyone gets to live as they will,,,, etc. Learn to "know thy selves in this new year "Gnosis", " know that " I am" and that nothing else matters. Live with LOVE in your hearts, mind, and intentions. LOVE is the answer!!!!! Tell everyone and live it daily. This is the only way that we will overcome the darkness.

This is the only way that we will want to survive.!!!!

[blake]

Blake,

Ok, I think I got everything you raised - let me know if you want more :)


I am a human who believes that there is such a thing as healthy fear.
...
Of course, there is also the unhealthy paralyzing fear.

If I may, there is yet another kind of fear. Conditioned or learned fear. The pervasive kind that makes people perpetually and horribly concerned, worried pre-occupied and distracted. It is the kind of fear that responds to carefully created social situations and contexts, reinforced by things like TV, Legal acts, statutes, “government” officials, “terrorism”, advertising and main stream media. The list is large and sophisticated – those that created this fear based control system are masters of their art.

It is the kind of fear that underpins the decision processes in the proverbial “sheeple”[1] and ensures that the choices they make obtain the kinds of outcome that they don’t fear and that are desired by the controllers.


But I think most well balance humans can use healthy fear to keep them safe. You want your one- year- old to know that touching the wood stove will burn his fingers and that it will hurt. Parents do that to manage the child's behavior with a healthy dose of realism. Fire burns your skin. Burns are painful, and can lead to infection or worse. The Message is not about fear but how to keep you safe and know what can be a danger to you. You want your child to understand about fire so he can keep himself safe and healthy around teh woodstove or any fire. I am sure, Anchor, that you understand the difference between a healthy fear and an unhelathy fear.

I am sure I do understand what you are talking about. By combining our positions we can enumerate three main kinds of fear – there are even more: like fear of the unknown, phobia’s and so on.

1) The healthy kind (You choose to call it fear, I choose to call it applied knowledge)

2) Paralysing fear (You didn’t go into this kind which is to do with extreme situations, so I won’t either, but it is a bummer when it happens – and I have experienced it when I was a child and resolved not to experience it again and I have not. We can talk about this one separately – but I do concur, its real and when it happens you have, to a certain extent lost control)

3) Conditioned, pervasive, everyday fear – the kind that the sheeple may not even really have considered that they have.

I would prefer that any person, child or adult use discernment and wisdom to avoid accidents. I do not touch the stove to avoid a burn because I am afraid of the stove. I do it because I have learned to respect its heating properties and have trained myself to operate it safely. My job as an adult is to ensure that the child has been instructed in the safe handling of the stove, and if a child does make a mistake and get burned, that they do at least learn the lesson as increased wisdom, and not something that develops into a fear, that may end up with them needing to overcome that – in order to be able to cook my dinner later!

I have seen that there is a large effort in Australia to ensure that all dangerous trades are confined to appropriately licensed practitioners. People have become “afraid” of doing simple plumbing, or using a chainsaw; even climbing a ladder! They have been conditioned for a long time and have avoided acquiring the necessary confidence and wisdom to do these things. It is reinforced by TV shows that revel in accidents and misfortune of others, but with the side-effect of engendering fear.

I have a farm. I must use a chainsaw and a whole host of deliciously dangerous machinery. I am not afraid of the chainsaw, but I have trained myself in its use and I am very careful with it. I will never be afraid of it. I choose not to be afraid. If a council man comes calling for some reason, I refuse to immediately kowtow I will not act until I fully understand the situation – and if he has to answer a few thousand questions so be it. I know a good number of my rights and I am prepared to research act carefully and see things done properly and honourably.

When I was told I had (potentially) a fatal form of lung cancer, I was upset, but I was not afraid. It spurred me onwards – it had to really – if I was going to walk the talk, I needed to be able to laugh in the face of “certain death”, which for a few days appeared to be somewhat closer than I had originally expected; whereupon it was realised that a horrendous error in diagnosis had been made, I had my chance to see if this was all true for me – and it was.

I know that death is a big fear for a lot of people; but why fear something that is inevitable?


So I am curious when you write to be "ruthlessly positive and FEAR NOTHING."

Embodied in this simple call to arms is the desire I have to communicate to those who live in fear of things, and do things for fears sake rather than wisdom’s sake – to learn to let go of that fear.

The idea of being ruthless about it is that this for some is going to be a hard battle with their selves, and one has to be ruthless in destroying the old constructs. The work of shiva, the destruction of useless modes of thought and conditioning – requires ruthlessness or it would not get done. Letting go of fear is not easy. It is hard, and in my view necessary work.

The third kind of fear in my list, is nothing less than a spiritual prison; but it manifests as a conditioned response. Built in from an early age and compounded (if you let it) by all those previously mentioned factors.


To me, such a statement would be a heads up that I better pay attention or I won't be one of the "surviving ones" What information about the bumpy rides do humans need to know to help keep them safe, or at least have a better chance of keeping themselves safe. Or are you saying they can't keep themselves safe, and not to fear death that is around the cornor from these bumpy rides?

May I suggest that this could be a classic, pervasive fear kind of scenario?

I have released the fear over whether or not I shall survive. I do expect to and I have taken preparatory steps that should help me and some others based on my take on how things are working out for me and my own particular set of circumstances. If it doesn’t work out and I end up succumbing to a life ending event – I really don’t concern myself. It does not bother me at all. Been there a few times, tested it. Faith is a wonderful thing in those situations :)

A lot of my decision making is intuitive – heart led – and if you have any conditioned fear then that inner dialogue/intuitive process simply does not work. Control the fear, then it can. If the fear takes you and you lose control, then you won’t be making any choices, and your fate is then decided by others.

This thread is all about the bumpy ride and the kinds and potential qualities of those bumps. I have seen them referred to as “inconveniences” which I really like as well. It is just so random and offhand considering the potential bummers that TPTB have in the making – LOL

What you will never see me do is describe them as potential horrifying disasters in terms that engender fear and negativity. Why? Because I am aiming to be ruthlessly positive!

My take on this is that everything that happens to each of us happens for a reason. Everything that happens is modelled in divine perfection and therefore it is working out just the way that our souls needed it too and largely arranged for the purposes of experiencing making choices in various scenarios. I really do believe that the reasons we are incarnated and living in this reality NOW, is to experience how we make these kinds of choices.

To wit: of options A or B; were A is what TPTB want you to choose, and have done the hard sell on, will I choose A or B because I am following my heart or will I choose “A” really because I feared the implied consequences of choosing B? If I have any fear at all, the higher heart centred intuition fails me because I can’t hear it through the psychological noise created by the fear and thus, the fear denies me the opportunity of being led by the light and the love of creation and of my soul’s purpose.


Can you please define what you mean by bumpy rides? How do you define bumpy? Is it just a wild thunderstorm that you can sit by the woodstove and read a good novel until the storm passes and the power comes back on? Or are you talking about the bumpy ride of a deadly tsunnami taking the lives of innocent humans, children and elderly alike?

There is a reason I don’t fear death, and that is my complete and personal state of absolute certainty and inner-knowing that my soul is immortal, and that is having a finite human experience which WILL with absolute certainty result in death at some point. The timing and mode of it is just – well – a point of potential interest :)

Any of those catalysts you mentioned fit within the bumpy ride scenarios. I’m in Australia so locally it would be drought, bush fires, chemical leaks, mining disasters, famine, zombie kangaroo invasions etc


Is that one of the bumpy rides you are referring to when you say FEAR NOTHING? Or perhaps by fearing nothing one should walk the streets at night in a rough neighborhood and think they will never come across a knife at their throat? And should it happen, since they Fear Nothing, they also didn't master the skills to protect themselves.

Yes. Fear nothing. Don’t fear the unknown.

Act wisely though, if you need to sell your cape to buy a sword, and IF that’s what your higher self/heart/intuition is really telling you to do, then do it. However – if you fear the outcomes – you won’t be able to ask anyway, or if you do, you won’t hear the answer and even if perchance you are graced with that regardless, then will you have faith enough to follow the answer?

Starting at Luke 22:35 there is a short passage that seems relevant. “And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing”

See no worries?

“Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.”

Are we provided for, in bodily needs including safety by our own higher powers? If not then prep-up. There are those on this forum that advocate not even taking any preparations since that admits a lack of faith that the creator will provide for your needs. I am not that perfect, but my recent life has shown me that I am provided for in so many ways. This then is my admission that my faith has it limits! I will act according to my heart, and I have accordingly had to make some preparations for some interesting times immediately ahead.


So can you please explain why you write not to FEAR ANYTHING. IN my opinion, and from my experience in life, it doesn't sound like good advice to me.

I hope I have explained it. I tried quite hard, but if I need to clarify yet more; please do ask away. I love questions like this actually.


So what exactly is your message in this post?

Mmm...

Free your self from the impediments that prevent you from taking action based on your highest and best intuition. Break away from wrongly conditioned fear. Do not fear the unknown. Have faith in yourself – you can navigate the unknown. Be wise. Don’t be foolish. Don’t be scared to make mistakes, thats how we learn. When it comes to breaking down the conditioning of fear in the self, be ruthless!

Be wise. Don’t stand in front of a gunman, unless you really have got something of vital “on-mission” importance to do that requires that (like the guy who stood in front of the tank in Tiananmen Square – completely empowered in his own faith and power maybe physically afraid, but supremely confident in his purpose and actions).

John..

[1] “Sheeple” - David Icke, we love you for that among all the other good meme’s you have created!

Hello Anchor,

Communicating effectively often depends on people agreeing on the meaning of a word. Dictionaries are helpful in providing us the common fundamental meanings of words. This is a most helpful tool in advancing sound communication between humans with the goal of trying to understand what another is saying. Unfortunately, many people or groups appear to make up their own definition of common words. I call this, “ word play”; some people call it semantics. And one can observe that when using one’s own definition of a word, without first giving your definition of the word to the person you are communicating with, it can sometimes create a genuine misunderstanding in the conversation. But more often than not, word play is used to control, manipulate, deceive, or pick a fight. Lawyers have been twisting the meaning of common words for centuries. Common words that are used everyday in everyday life can have a one- hundred- and- eighty degree turn in definition when it comes to legal affairs and in the courtroom. Lawyers use this manipulation, and deception in word play against unsuspecting laypeople all the time. I still get a chuckle remembering when former American President Bill Clinton, in defending himself over inappropriate behavior with a young female White House intern, said: Well that all depends on what the meaning of “ is” is. And in that light, when discussing something, if people want to communicate with true understanding, it is best, in my opinion, to agree on a definition of the word being used that is at the center of the discussion. And indeed, there appears to be an issue of semantics in our discussion, so I will read the dictionary definition of the word “fear”.


“Fear”, according the Webster’s dictionary:

1. A feeling of anxiety and agitation caused by the presence or nearness of danger, evil, pain.
Timidity, dread, terror, fright, appreciation

2. Respectful dread, awe reverence

3. a feeling of uneasiness or appreciation, a concern; for example: the fear that it will rain

4. cause for fear: possibility, chance; for example: there was no fear of difficulty


After reading this definition, I would not want to suppress the natural skill of my body or mind to tune into danger as a warning devise for my safety. The feeling of anxiety can indicate that one is in danger on some level. With that information given by the feeling of fear, one can use their head to be more alert to their environment, and assess, intellectually, what could be wrong before one succumbed to danger unknowingly. Perhaps you call this “applied knowledge” as well? Or perhaps you called it intuition? And our intuition uses our emotions such as fear or anger to let us know that something needs to be brought to conscious thought so positive steps can be taken to rebalance a situation or make us safe.

My point is “fear” is not a bad thing. Just like “anger” is not a bad thing. It is what you do with those intuitive advance warnings that make them bad or good. They become “Bad” if you let your emotions control you, and as a result you get out of control. Or, they can be “good”, if you control your emotions and use them as the protective tools that they were designed to be for humans. They are our red alert signals telling us to pay attention because action or a change in course may be necessary to avoid unpleasantness, or damage in someway.

So when I am told that ‘fear’ is bad, to me, that individual may not be looking deeply enough into these god given gifts of emotional alerts that bring to consciousness that something is wrong and needs our attention to correct the situation. If one is not living life with emotional and intellectual balance, they are making themselves more vulnerable to life’s challenges than is necessary. And so to me when someone tells me to be fearless or to fear nothing, that is like telling me to turn off the radar in my plane as I am cruising through pea soup fog.


Fear is, in my opinion, is mostly good, just like food, in my opinion, is mostly good. But both food and emotions, like fear and anger can become a problem with people who are living emotionally, and intellectually unbalanced, and/or undisciplined lives. All emotions are good. Emotions give you information. Unfortunately many people don’t now what to do with the information that their body and mind gives them. An example of people ignoring their body’s signals can overtly be observed with some people who overeat. A person who does not suppress their body’s natural signals concerning food has a better chance of make good choices, especially if they use their intellect. The body will let you know when you have eaten enough. And if one is deeply intuned to the natural signals of the body, one can know what food they need to eat on any particular day. But how many people have suppressed the signals of their body? Observing my local community, I would say too many. How many people have suppressed their ability to listen to their emotions, and feelings, such as fear and anger so that they will know when something is wrong, therefore giving their intellect the time needed to focus on what changes may be in order to put themselves in a better position, or takes steps necessary to side step problems. Considering how many people like to stick their heads in the sand, piggyback others research instead of doing their own, I would say too many, in my opinion. Yes there is such a thing as learned or conditioned fear as you pointed out. But that doesn’t make fear bad. That just means an individual needs to take their power back, and rebalance their live so they can better communicate with their body to use fear as a personal protective tool, instead of being manipulated and controlled by others with it. What you learn, can be unlearned. But if your intellect was well balanced to begin with and in tune with your emotions, others would not be able to manipulate you through your emotions as much.

All emotions are good for humans when humans stay in control of their emotions. It is how a human uses the information of their emotions that is good, or bad, or everything in-between. But to tell another human to “fear nothing” in my opinion, is hurting that human, and suppressing their innate radar system. But if it is a learned fear which paralyzes them, that human must not cut fear out of their lives, but rather they need to relearn to use their fear correctly, and to their advantage.

I agree with you that many humans absorbs other people’s perceived, or real fears. But the problem here again is not the emotion of fear, the problem is people not taking responsibility and not being disciplined to do their own research and assessment. It is my opinion that humans tend to be gossipers and intellectually lazy. Many humans often just piggybank on gossip, or ride the wave of what another will say, like some guru, instead of using their own logic and reasoning. If a human is living an emotionally, intellectually balanced life, all their emotions, especially fear, will help them to assess any situation, thereby helping them to use their own intellectual discernment to decide what action, or non action, may, or may not be necessary.

To live in perpetual fear is a sickness. Just like any addiction is a sickness, weather it be drugs or food. Living in perpetual fear, is much like living in perpetual stress. With stress, you will burn out your adrenals, and with perpetual fear you will lose your discernment, jamming your natural radar system and a host of other problems. If a person is in perpetual fear they need help in rebalancing their emotions and intellect so that their natural radar system will work for them. Telling a person in perpetual fear not to fear anything, is like suggesting the removal of the adrenal glands from a perpetually over stressed person. We want the person to live and to be healthy; so a healing needs to be done with everything in tact, not a removal of any necessary part of living well.

Anchor, I really don’t think you and I are saying anything different in the big picture of life. It just seems to me that you are taking the word “fear” and giving it a new definition; a definition that many new agers, and pop psychologists have been spreading. I would like people to be empowered by their god given abilities and emotions, not to be scared of them, or to suppress them, or to let them get wildly out of control. It is my opinion that humans in general need to think deeper, with a much wider lens about what fear is, or the natural god given purpose of fear; instead of blindly amputating it, especially when we will all need our fear skills and all our emotions working for us as we approach more challenging times ahead. People need to develop intellectual discernment, and not piggyback ride popular fad notions.


But as I said before, I think we are in agreement about how to live life, we just use different words.

Fear, as I have stated is a communication from the body that something is wrong or needs to be paid attention to. Once the body has alerted the consciousness that something is wrong, the intellect needs to kick in and take action. If one holds on to fear, and stops the chain of command to the intellect, that is when things become painful and the intellect can not do what it is made to do to correct the situation. Healthy, well balanced humans allow the chain of command to go through. What was the message? Now take action. Sometimes even well balanced humans can break the chain of command when the message is overwhelming. That is when good friends will be supportive, not by saying. “don’t be afraid”, but by saying your body delivered the message, now use your brain; what are you going to do about it. Of course, this needs to be done appropriately, compassionately, and with right timing. But the important point is that after fear has communicated a call for action, the intellect in a healthy, well balanced person does take action. If we have disciplined ourselves well, and have not become followers without discernment, our fear will serve us well. Those who are use to feeding on the opinions of others, will not know how to take action; and sadly they will hang on to their fear as if it were a broken record repeating the message over and over, and never allowing the intellect to take charge after recieving the message to get off the metaphorical merry go round. Not letting go of fear will paralyze a human. You, Anchor, experienced greatfear, and yet you took positive action. Fear alerted your intellect that action was necessary. I am sorry for all you went through, but obviously you have a fine mind, and disciplined emotions.

I have ramble on long enough, but as I say, I really don’t think we disagree on anything much. I think we just have a case of semantics going on here.


As far as fear of death is concerned, that is another post. But I will say that I think we have an instinct to stay alive for many reasons. So perhaps the fear of death, that many humans experience, is just reminding us to take good care of ourselves while we have obligations or work to do on earth. Perhaps fear of death is a different type of fear, and maybe not even really even a fear at all but something wired very differently from fear. I have observed that as some people get older they seem to get to a point in their life of just accepting death. But that is another post, if not another thread.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[another bob]

"Many people have expressed anxiety about disasters that might befall the world in the year 2012. In fact, we never know what any given year might hold. But if we are sincerely committed to following a path of compassion and wisdom, this uncertainty about the future need not cause us any concern. Whatever happens, we can simply keep our focus directed steadily at what matters most cultivating compassion and equanimity, and acting to benefit others. If we harbor this attitude in our hearts, we can make anything that occurs positive for ourselves and for others."

~Gyalwang Karmapa


:yo:

[jorr lundstrom]

I exist in this moment and know nothing about wot will happen.

I have a strong sensation that something big is going to happen,

but I dont know when and wot. Its a senation of a rolling thunder

approaching.

I wonder if its this kind of sensations that make so many quite

touchy those days?

Ive also wondered if its mind as such thats collapsing and people

are embraced by their dysfunctional egos like Gollum embraces his

precious.

Im prepared with medical kit, food, tools and so on.........

But when the s##t hit the fan, ist probably coming in a way or ways

that nobody could predict.

I also keep on breathing deep as a preparation fot wot, I dunno. LOL


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[WhiteFeather]

We must be very powerful indeed,
because they are still lying to us.

We are Powerful/God's that most people don't know yet! Wait till they discover it.

[pyrangello]

WAIT TIL THEY DISCOVER IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHITEFEATHER you are spot on !

[crested-duck]

Mr.Davis -I'm on board with your last post completely. Some call me a fear monger at times ,but looking realistically at what is coming down the pike is a absolute must for personal survival now. Here's a scenario that I know will happen ,so how are each of us going to deal with it???---The house down the road with the crackheads and ignorant kids did'nt prepare for the disaster. Now they're jonesing for not only drugs, but for food too. When they come to kill you to steal your supplies what will you do to survive yourself.--- As far as I'm concerned the minute they step onto my property I will drop them just like a deer , and I'm dead serious about it, I'm not looking forward to it, but I've prepared myself mentally to do what I have to do for me and my family. That's not a fear, but a sad reality. Good luck to those who are just going to pray to be saved and not do anything themselves to insure their own survival! That's called fooling yourself and just plain stupidity as far as I'm concerned. What do others here at PA think about this, maybe a new thread is in order here.

[jorr lundstrom]

Mr.Davis -I'm on board with your last post completely. Some call me a fear monger at times ,but looking realistically at what is coming down the pike is a absolute must for personal survival now. Here's a scenario that I know will happen ,so how are each of us going to deal with it???---The house down the road with the crackheads and ignorant kids did'nt prepare for the disaster. Now they're jonesing for not only drugs, but for food too. When they come to kill you to steal your supplies what will you do to survive yourself.--- As far as I'm concerned the minute they step onto my property I will drop them just like a deer , and I'm dead serious about it, I'm not looking forward to it, but I've prepared myself mentally to do what I have to do for me and my family. That's not a fear, but a sad reality. Good luck to those who are just going to pray to be saved and not do anything themselves to insure their own survival! That's called fooling yourself and just plain stupidity as far as I'm concerned. What do others here at PA think about this, maybe a new thread is in order here.

I resonate with you totally. It doesnt help to prepare, storing food and so on.

One must also deal with those who havent prepared themselves.

I think I must get away from my home. i live 6 miles from a town.

The unprepared are going to get danerous out of desperation.

I cant argue with hundreds of hungry, frosen people or take them out.

A few people threatening me and my woman wount be a problem, as

I have my compound bow and dont hesitate to use it for survival.

So even if we got a wonderful selfsustaining home we better get away

to the mountains in case of a disaster. All this is sad but necessary.

[gooty64]

Mr.Davis -I'm on board with your last post completely. Some call me a fear monger at times ,but looking realistically at what is coming down the pike is a absolute must for personal survival now. Here's a scenario that I know will happen ,so how are each of us going to deal with it???---The house down the road with the crackheads and ignorant kids did'nt prepare for the disaster. Now they're jonesing for not only drugs, but for food too. When they come to kill you to steal your supplies what will you do to survive yourself.--- As far as I'm concerned the minute they step onto my property I will drop them just like a deer , and I'm dead serious about it, I'm not looking forward to it, but I've prepared myself mentally to do what I have to do for me and my family. That's not a fear, but a sad reality. Good luck to those who are just going to pray to be saved and not do anything themselves to insure their own survival! That's called fooling yourself and just plain stupidity as far as I'm concerned. What do others here at PA think about this, maybe a new thread is in order here.

I resonate with you totally. It doesnt help to prepare, storing food and so on.

One must also deal with those who havent prepared themselves.

I think I must get away from my home. i live 6 miles from a town.

The unprepared are going to get danerous out of desperation.

I cant argue with hundreds of hungry, frosen people or take them out.

A few people threatening me and my woman wount be a problem, as

I have my compound bow and dont hesitate to use it for survival.

So even if we got a wonderful selfsustaining home we better get away

to the mountains in case of a disaster. All this is sad but necessary.

I drew the line right up to the point of buying weapons. It's just me and my puppy, in a semi rural area 4 miles from town. I just got back home from buying another $500 in food and dogfood. I have spent several thousand on food and supplies already.
I figure if it gets to the point of protecting my little 1+ year stash then to me it becomes ridiculous and not worth just surviving on this planet.
I know, I would feel differently if I had children and spouse.
And there won't be much wildlife left to hunt after a short period of time so the weapons are to kill your neighbors, imho.

[jorr lundstrom]

Mr.Davis -I'm on board with your last post completely. Some call me a fear monger at times ,but looking realistically at what is coming down the pike is a absolute must for personal survival now. Here's a scenario that I know will happen ,so how are each of us going to deal with it???---The house down the road with the crackheads and ignorant kids did'nt prepare for the disaster. Now they're jonesing for not only drugs, but for food too. When they come to kill you to steal your supplies what will you do to survive yourself.--- As far as I'm concerned the minute they step onto my property I will drop them just like a deer , and I'm dead serious about it, I'm not looking forward to it, but I've prepared myself mentally to do what I have to do for me and my family. That's not a fear, but a sad reality. Good luck to those who are just going to pray to be saved and not do anything themselves to insure their own survival! That's called fooling yourself and just plain stupidity as far as I'm concerned. What do others here at PA think about this, maybe a new thread is in order here.

I resonate with you totally. It doesnt help to prepare, storing food and so on.

One must also deal with those who havent prepared themselves.

I think I must get away from my home. i live 6 miles from a town.

The unprepared are going to get danerous out of desperation.

I cant argue with hundreds of hungry, frosen people or take them out.

A few people threatening me and my woman wount be a problem, as

I have my compound bow and dont hesitate to use it for survival.

So even if we got a wonderful selfsustaining home we better get away

to the mountains in case of a disaster. All this is sad but necessary.

I drew the line right up to the point of buying weapons. It's just me and my puppy, in a semi rural area 4 miles from town. I just got back home from buying another $500 in food and dogfood. I have spent several thousand on food and supplies already.
I figure if it gets to the point of protecting my little 1+ year stash then to me it becomes ridiculous and not worth just surviving on this planet.
I know, I would feel differently if I had children and spouse.
And there won't be much wildlife left to hunt after a short period of time so the weapons are to kill your neighbors, imho.

True, in a sharp situation, terrible choices are to be made, if one want to survive.

[Tony]

By the time tomorrow night comes,
how many beings would have passed on?
Will you wake up tomorrow morning?
When you breath out, how sure are you,
that youwill breath in again?

In the meantime be happy, with your lot.

[Bill Ryan]

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Bumping the thread -- something I don't usually do. There's some important, focused information in here.

All best wishes, Bill

[nomadguy]

[QUOTE=Anchor;389600]But to tell another human to “fear nothing” in my opinion, is hurting that human

I very much agree with this sentiment, I had always thought that the word "fearless" did not mean that you never have the feeling of fear. It comes up just as much. And that this person whom is "fearless" merely does not ignore it, instead they process it straight away
or rather, face it so they can begin the plan to do so with balance and courage.
Fear is a tool, and if you don't know how to use a tool it has no use for you.

~ Carry on
:ear:

[jorr lundstrom]

By the time tomorrow night comes,
how many beings would have passed on?
Will you wake up tomorrow morning?
When you breath out, how sure are you,
that youwill breath in again?
In the meantime be happy, with your lot.

We have no guarantee for another moment, so breath while you can.

In....out.. and in.....out again and so on....... LOL

[Belle]

Warning: Very long post. Quotes taken from http://hypertiger.blogspot.com/

I've been following Hypertiger for a few years now. He's crude and harsh in his delivery, but brings an interesting perspective to what is going on right now. I'm oversimplifying here..his basic premise is that the top lives off the yield from the bottom; and when the bottom can no longer support the top, the system implodes only to be started again in slightly different form. Implosion includes all we have been talking about here...


From Friday, May 18, 2007

“These are the simple steps you can take to survive...Reduce your cost of existence as low as you can...Purchase 365 cans of stew for every mouth you feel responsible for...Have an alternative source of Heat and light is also good... The above is what 100´s of millions of people are not prepared to do and will not do and will be blindsided... At this point your plans should be simplistic you might have to run for your life at some point...

All you are trying to accomplish at this stage is to accept the fact of the coming implosion and preparing enough for it to buy enough time to think...100´s of millions won´t have time to think... If you want to purchase land and construct bunkers with machine gun nests fine...But you want to keep a low profile...Because the top will not tolerate any threat from the bottom (Victims of the scheme)...All rights and due process will cease to exist...You either accept your fate or be eliminated from the equation... Any resistance towards the top in the initial stages will be met with brutal savagery... Did Spartacus win? Forget it...The Absolute capitalists have been constructing a police state for years...and are currently fast tracking the finishing touches...”


From Sunday, September 30, 2007

“The purpose of the Police and military is to protect the top from the bottom...

To protect cause from consequence...

The easiest prey of the hunter gatherer is the farmer and the simplest operation is the protection scheme...

You are either with us or against us...

All money is decreed money...fiat...The top says this is money...Or else...period end of story....

You Farmer are on the Land owned by the LORD of the land and will pay tribute to the LORD of 1 Gold coin a year...

Where do I get this GOLD coin?

You can take one short ton of grain to the grainery of the LORD and there you will be given a GOLD coin for it and then you can give the gold coin to the servant of the LORD...

What if I refuse?

Then the LORD will drive you from the Land that the LORD is the LORD of...

There you go an abundant supply of free food to power your wildest hopes and dreams...Lies and delusions...

22 And the LORD said, Behold! The man has become as one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put forth his hand and also take from the Tree of Life, and eat, and live forever,
23 The LORD sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground out of which he was taken.
24 And He drove the man out. And He lodged the cherubs at the east of the Garden of Eden, and the flaming sword whirling around to guard the way of the Tree of Life.

Well what is done with all that Food the tillers of the LORD's land give the LORD as Tribute?

It powers the Absolute capitalist Hierarchial food powered make work enterprise...

The city state...Or Civilization...The thing you all popped into existance out of thin air into...”


Thursday, December 6, 2007

“The top of the economic food chain has to eat...zero prime rate = zero prime rib...

In the system the top owns the bottom and if the top needs to eat it has to liquidate the bottom...In order for the bottom to eat it must liquidate the top...The TOP controls the Police and Military unfortunately.

So now we will see what the plan is. The Homeland Emergency Government in waiting and the U.S.A. P.A.T.R.I.O.T. LAW or Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism is a sign that the bottom won't be liquidating the top when the system implodes.”


Monday, December 10, 2007

“There are about 7.5 Million Americans producing food...The rest of the population of worker drones numbers around 142.5 Million who produce zero food. Meaning they consume 100% more food than they produce or they produce -100% of the food that powers the absolute capitalist hierarchial food powered make work enterprise.

They make up for this by producing money which is a a food substitute...

Food powers the food powered make work enterprise. The medium of exchange is power. Money is just a tool that allows the exchange of power to be easier to accomplish and account for.”


January 21, 2008

“The FEDERAL RESERVE did not create compounding interest.

Well then what created Interest attached to the medium of exchange?

RICH PEOPLE. You kinda have to be in a position where you have piles of money to lend back to the people that slaved their asses off supplying it to you to be able to attach interest to it...

So then as soon as you start going around telling RICH PEOPLE that what they are doing is wrong...you are DOA.

Under a static monetary system if it was implemented now...There could be no yields greater than mine output and the population would have to be drastically reduced back to pre commercial banking levels...But civilization as you comprehend it has been as dependant upon compound interest as you are on eating and breathing for over 1000+ years and while the FED is significant...it is only 1 Central bank of over 100 in the 314 year old Global branch network...The current Global economic system is as dependant upon the 314 year old global credit system to sustain it's continued existence as you are on eating and breathing...

Here is the key...IF YOU ALL DESIRE THE 314 YEAR OLD SYSTEM ABOLISHED THEN YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO KISS CIVILIZATION AS YOU KNOW IT GOODBYE...

Because without a functional credit system the whole global system that you currently see in operation can not function at all...can not exist.

Can you imagine existing without the possibility of interest attached to the medium of exchange?

Well you all better...Because that is just one thing that currently exists that must be eliminated to avoid the implosion...

The implosion that is currently in progress can't be avoided...but the next one can...and to accomplish that simple feat...Interest attached to the medium of exchange is one of the things that human beings do that they have to stop doing.

And if you tell me that you can have your cake and eat it too and create a system that does not inflate to maximum potential and implode but allows interest attached to the medium of exchange...

You are either a liar or a moron...

Top sucks from the bottom...The top lives off the yield from the bottom. It's been like this forever and will continue just as long....”

“Whether the money is composed of electromagnetic polarity differentials on hard disk platters, paper, Gold, and/or silver...It's still a credit system at it's core...

Civilization as you all know it has been dependant upon it for over 1000 years.

This is not some new system that showed up in 1913 or 1694...the economy that is about to implode is centuries older than any of the human beings functioning within it.

Basically the system requires not too much and not too little inflation greater than previous inflation...

Basically a constantly increasing amount...One slight problem...there is a maximum potential and when it is reached...it becomes impossible to sustain what the system requires...Then inflation greater than previous inflation to maximum potential transforms into inflation less than previous inflation to maximum potential.”


Sunday, October 2, 2011

“The top lives off the yield from the bottom...the roof or top of the structure is supported by the bottom or foundation of the structure.

If the bottom can't support the top...the structure collapses.

Oh I get it you all think you support those below...

You think the top or roof supports the foundation of the structure...well I guess in your mind where LAW that governs the Universe does not apply you could imagine such.

The bottom produces everything and the top monetizes it...They then mark up everything and sell it back to the bottom to get their money back.

The top owns the money system...it and all the money belongs to them...it's their money that monetizes the wholesale production operation...not yours...all the money in circulation does not belong to any of you...You just think it does.

The difference between the wholesale cost and the retail price is the yield the top lives off of...well then how does the bottom make up the difference?

By supplying the top with more than the top gives...forever...Until the bottom can't supply the top with the yield they demand.

Then poof...The goose that lays the golden eggs...dies

So then when the top inputs money to the bottom and the output by the bottom is less than the input. The top has to stop doing that or they will not make any money...they will just continue to lose money.

What you think? the FED is going to print money forever?

The bottom produces everything and the top prints money to buy it wholesale and then marks it up and sells it to the bottom retail...and it's up to the bottom to pay the difference between the wholesale cost and the retail price to supply the top with the yield they demand.

And if you all can't.

Then you are going to have to be fired and replaced with more productive workers.

You were fired over the past few decades and Chinese workers were hired...but now they can't even support the top supports the bottom delusion you all depend upon...”


“The top is not the most productive. The bottom is...

until they are sucked dry.

Well the top becomes the top and maintain their position by always taking more than they give...always...it's the divine right of kings. Oh you think you gained independence from kings? nope...never did...you all just think you did...and if you think therefore you are...poof...it's magic...Hyper my teacher said I did and all the history books said I did...so I must have...”

[jcocks]

I figure if it gets to the point of protecting my little 1+ year stash then to me it becomes ridiculous and not worth just surviving on this planet.
I know, I would feel differently if I had children and spouse.


I wouldn't. Such a reality, where one has to kill to survive, just isn't worth surviving. How many people will you have to kill? How many nightmares will you have afterwards? Just how far would things fall?
Just how low would you go to survive, would you sacrifice your morals? Would you HAVE to?

No. I won't let myself stoop that low, ever. Not even for my children - I'd be doing them a disservice. And I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

I know it sounds weak, but if it came to a point where they felt the need to kill me and I had to kill or be killed I'd give up. But... I sure as hell would make sure they did it in public, in front of as many people as possible. I'd want everyone else to see them for the thugs that they are.

[jorr lundstrom]

I figure if it gets to the point of protecting my little 1+ year stash then to me it becomes ridiculous and not worth just surviving on this planet.
I know, I would feel differently if I had children and spouse.


I wouldn't. Such a reality, where one has to kill to survive, just isn't worth surviving. How many people will you have to kill? How many nightmares will you have afterwards? Just how far would things fall?
Just how low would you go to survive, would you sacrifice your morals? Would you HAVE to?

No. I won't let myself stoop that low, ever. Not even for my children - I'd be doing them a disservice. And I wouldn't be able to live with myself.

I know it sounds weak, but if it came to a point where they felt the need to kill me and I had to kill or be killed I'd give up. But... I sure as hell would make sure they did it in public, in front of as many people as possible. I'd want everyone else to see them for the thugs that they are.


Well, if you ever get into such a situation, we will see how you act, wount we?

Dont be too sure that life will allow you to give up. Life has a tendency to take

care of itself.Just take it easy and let life unfold as it will. You´ll be fine.


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[RedeZra]

Such a reality, where one has to kill to survive, just isn't worth surviving. How many people will you have to kill? How many nightmares will you have afterwards? Just how far would things fall?
Just how low would you go to survive, would you sacrifice your morals? Would you HAVE to?


it's admirable not to kill

but we have a duty to defend not only nation but also body and soul

[Hervé]

'been thinking... and thinking about that BIG picture... and thinking some more and thrown the pieces I know of on the floor and re-arranged them, again and again...

So, this is what I have got this time.

-- Agenda 21 and depopulation. That is, the planet's population under attack from all quarters... and not just the human population but all creatures on land, in the air and the sea. Cutting out hunting, fishing and farming.

-- A majority of that population is nothing more than a zombified army under hypnotic trance ready for the post hypnotic trigger.

WHY?

Why trash the Northern Hemisphere first, taking refuge in the Southern one while it's happening?

Well, that's where the technologically educated population resides... where solutions could come from to undo the mess. The why of the locked lead lid on free energy.

But, again why a depopulation?

That's where one has to go beyond the veil and get an idea of what's happening on the other side.

And, to get an idea of what's happening on the other side of the veil, one would have to get acquainted with what's in this book: The Programming of a Planet (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash.zip) and its follow-up: The Eye of Ra (http://lunahelia.com/docs/cash2.zip archived .zip files since the guy’s website disappeared… one can also find data on that hunger for gold of these controllers... which is an interesting tie-in with what's been happening on other threads).

Once one is acquainted with the content of these books, it becomes easier to grasp that, with 7 billion souls taking up a space suit provided with a digestive system (to the chagrin of many… they’ve got to eat something to keep that body in shape…), it is easier to fall through the cracks of their programming – I think Bill and Inelia can attest to that  -- and start getting others out of the hypnotic trance.

So, with an orchestrated depopulation which is then to be kept under 500 millions once done, falling through the cracks of the programming becomes near impossible and, at the same time, it creates a scarcity of human bodies so that such become a very valuable commodity, as is the case with gold, withdrawn from the “market.” (see A. Collier to get an idea of the galactic market value of Earth’s human bodies… “Royalties”)

Hence, “awakening” in that case would be the realization that the veil is very thin, getting thinner and about to be torn down for a face to face with the real culprits instigating and controlling all the troubles we are being faced with; the sales persons fleet for this crew being the so-called illuminati and cohorts… zombified as well. The latter just being symptomatic of the real origin of the troubles.

From what has been shared on this forum lately, about what’s beyond that veil on that “other side of life” whether it be abductions, dreams, astral firefights or the polarized views exhibited around the Duncan O’Finioan – David Wilcock positions, I consider to be not very far off the mark.

In short, the situation is MONSTRUOUS… both in size and intent…

The solution is simply to de-zombify this planet first by taking care of the hidden origin of zombification so that no more zombies are produced… then de-tranced the ones already under control since they will keep with their marching orders whether alive or dead… i.e. in or out of bodies…

Tall order? … yep… Babel-tower tall!

[Rocky_Shorz]

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11) Staged “Religious” Event. The growing need of the masses for meaning in their lives makes them easy victims of a Hollywood-staged, 3D virtual reality hologram show, orchestrating a “second coming”. An electronically engineered “messianic figure” acting in sync with Elite global objectives? Who would dare go against God himself?

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are.



this is the same exact list we were looking at for 2011, thank you Bill for having Avalon here to trip them up from their insane plans...

They missed their year end deadline... :peace:

I feel like Charlie Sheen

We're Winning!!!

[Laura Elina]

Hey guys, I hope this is not completely off topic for this thread, but because of the survival talk, here is a thread that talks a bit about essential survival skills (perhaps there is another thread I couldn't find that covers these topics as well?), and I hope these links work:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?7631-Emergency-survival-guide&p=88146&highlight=military+survival+guide#post88146

It has a link to a FM 21-76 US Army survival manual, here's another link to the manual, it's a PDF file: http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/FM21-76_SurvivalManual.pdf

The manual covers a whole lot of situations you may find yourself in. Maybe you are already familiar with the topic or you are a "survival expert", but for those, who are not as experienced in the subject the manual covers... And perhaps for those, who already have a lot of skills and experience, it's a good reminder. I am no expert in this myself, just someone who's interested in keeping panic under control until I can make "sound" decisions that might count towards preserving my life, and perhaps a few of those around me, if something of "substantial" nature might take place, lol.

But alright.

Here are a few lines on the contents of the manual for those still reading and possibly interested:

- Psychology of survival/Stress factors (Fear, panic, anger - physiological stress factors such as thirst, hunger and fatigue and tips on how to "deal" with it)
- Planning and survival kits (For example suggestions on items to have)
- Basic survival medicine/Requirements of maintenance of health (Including insight on topics such as hygiene, treatment of various injuries, the manual also covers use of plants as herbal medicine)
- Shelters (Types of shelters in different environment and how to build them)
- Water (Finding it in different environment, purification of it)
- Fire (From "modern" methods to "primitive")
- Food procurement (From hunting with various devices to cooking)
- Navigation (For example stars, improvised compasses, means of determining direction)


It's really a good read I feel. These are skills good to have (or have access to, if you haven't practiced, then maybe a hard copy of a manual you feel comfortable with should be printed that's sealed at least in a water proof manner, so if the time comes, you will have access to the information on what to do in a certain situation, if you are not sure and if there is time for contemplating on how to proceed) even if 2012 does not turn out as "interesting" (in other words... The "stuff" doesn't hit the fan in an apocalyptic way).

I have only been in a couple of situations in which I had to contemplate whether to "do or die", but it was a good glimpse on how I might react in an extremely stressful situation, I regret not teaching myself any useful skills of this type a long before or practicing them, I have to admit that it's the speculation surrounding 2012 and the news feed that I've been following, which ultimately triggered my interest in survival (of extreme kind I suppose) again (self-defense is something to practice as well so aggressive situations don't come as a surprise/shock, why do I feel like I am preaching to the choir? Lol).

My own experience is still limited, but hopefully a talent for calming down serves me well, some breathing exercises helped me with keeping my heart in check.

Anyway, I wish a happy new year's eve to everyone (I guess in context of this post I must underline that's a sincere wish btw, lol).

[Violet]

Thanks Bill. I especially liked the two last ones. They make great sense. It is exactly what people are waiting for and an ideal trap.

[Belle]

Another long post. Just trying to connect some dots here to get a clearer picture of how tptb/controllers function. Know your enemy and it becomes easier to figure out how to overcome them.

The more dots I connect, the more apparent it becomes that it's all about money, fractional reserve banking, compound interest, etc. that allow tptb to use the earth as a game board...moving pieces around to create the world of their dreams and we are the pawns.

This may turn off some people here who are looking for a deeper meaning to all this. That's okay. I put it out for your consideration...take what is of value to you (if anything) and discard the rest.

The following can be found at http://www.enterprisecorruption.com/


“Economic booms are the by-product of industrial revolutions. The next boom ahead is always followed by the next bust ahead. The public (outsiders; ordinary working-class) isn't supposed to know when an industrial revolution (boom) begins, because the public isn't supposed to be able to take a harder look at when an industrial revolution (bust) ends.

And the reason for that?

If the ordinary working-class citizen recognizes the bust before the bust, the ordinary working-class citizen (just like an insider) has the heads-up to sell their personal holding in the speculative (stock) market before the scheduled bust occurs. And if that were to happen, then nobody is left behind to be held financially responsible and accountable for paying for the industrial revolution to begin with.

See how that works?

Market history (how markets have behaved throughout history) is important. If the wealthy make sure the middle doesn't understand the past then there is no way the middle will ever be able to understand the present and the future. Which is exactly the way the wealthy want it. If the wealthy taught the middle how the game worked, it would level the playing field and essentially and eventually **** the whole 6,000 year-old con-game up.

The upper-classes never really paid for things such as the unaffordable expenses of industrial revolutions. Industrial revolutions get paid for by the unwitting, intentionally uneducated/mis-educated/misinformed and therefore unsuspecting middle-class by keeping the middle class ignorant of the reality of how booms and busts transpire (i.e. start and stop). It is the oldest trick in the world since the invention of Iron and probably earlier. But, because history repeats, or in actuality, history is so easily repeatable the oldest trick in the world works every time.. naturally, to the benefit of the wealthy elite. It works for the wealthy just as long as the middle's knowledge of history is limited to the history that the wealthy spend one hell of a lot of time and effort revising.

That is the single and only reason history is revised.

Revising history ensures that the peasants remain in a state of perpetual servitude. The wealthy elite yank the money part of history out of history by switching cause with effect, action with reaction and then the wealthy proceed to cram popular, insignificant, ideological, romantic and motive-less history down the throats of the middle-classes. This is why I rely on chronologically accurate history as a primary global economic indicator.

Once you put the money part of history back into history a lot **** starts making a lot of sense. Once you discover who knew what, when they knew it and how they reacted (financially) to what they knew, a lot of **** starts making a lot more sense.

The government and church approved version of history is just plain boring. Accuracy in history brings about a dramatic and welcome change from boring as hell to quite interesting, enjoyable, worth looking deeper into and most importantly accurate history becomes much more memorable.

Humans have not really changed throughout history which is why history finds itself so often repeated. History repeats because human emotions repeat. And the ability to rob the human, then cover the robbery up by preying upon human emotion remains unchanged. If the workers of the world ever expect to unshackle their chains they should begin by learning something about the chains that keep them shackled. The most critical link in the chain in the King's control over information, knowledge and.. history.

True freedom includes the freedom to be wise.

Everyone is a predictor. Like it or not, right or wrong, everyone's life is packed full of opportunities for predictions. History can and does predict the future. Accurate predictions begin with unrevised history. Which is why a lot of people consider accurate predictions to be so important.

Once one discovers the wonders of accurate history, one loses their comfortable innocence. But, at the same time one also loses their anger and frustration. Because anger and frustration are the by-products of confusion. Anger and confusion come from not knowing how things really work. Your blood pressure will thank you for it. Lose the anger, lose the confusion, lose the stress, lose the high blood pressure and tack a few more healthy years onto your life.

Identical patterns with respect to the history of industrial revolutions can be found over and over again. Same patterns, same accounting tricks, same political methods. The modus operandi never changes. And this is why the only things I pay any attention to.. are industrial revolutions.

This is why my blog/journal is dedicated to identifying and documenting the next phase(s) of existing industrial revolutions, and the beginning and end points of the next industrial revolutions sometimes referred to as “the next big things”.

Everything else is a diversion.”

[Valley]

Now that we have everyone back on their heels, reeling in the worst case scenarios here, and fear centeredness... I would like to hear the other side of the coin from Bill in what he considers to be the best case scenarios for 2012, according to all he has heard about and researched... or are those possibilities a little too "airy-fairy" to consider? I think it would really help to give a little more balanced approach to this new year. Or would you consider all the original options posted at the beginning of the thread to be the only ones worth our consideration?
:warning2:
Respectfully,
Valley

[gooty64]

Ageed Valley. I came here to Avalon anticipating solutions to our predicament. Maybe the solution is unknowable at this time for the collective civilization. Of course, individually there is plenty we can do for own spiritual path and self preservation.
But, to walk out my door and get in my car to go somewhere to help solve the crisis-I wouldn't have a clue right now. I have been involved in two local groups in my area (starseed, ET, shift) but the density of 3d cluelessness and systemic programming reigns there. So, now I am a recluse in the rural area anticipating upheaval because, imho, upheaval is the precipitating event for the tipping point of awakening. Love and Light fell a few millions short. -lol---col (cry out loud).

Now that we have everyone back on their heels, reeling in the worst case scenarios here, and fear centeredness... I would like to hear the other side of the coin from Bill in what he considers to be the best case scenarios for 2012, according to all he has heard about and researched... or are those possibilities a little too "airy-fairy" to consider? I think it would really help to give a little more balanced approach to this new year. Or would you consider all the original options posted at the beginning of the thread to be the only ones worth our consideration?
:warning2:
Respectfully,
Valley

[Valley]

I "feel" you gooty, but i am thinking that these forums here could be 1 of the best ways to help make a difference. People that join forces by becoming of like mind and focused together can influence some very significant impacts on the world around them... this i have proven to myself several times over, just working with myself... so i am actually very optimistic. It seems very clear to me now that this is a great place to focus on in these fast-changing times... continue to build a tighter community of "locals" in your physical position... but especially to gather the "forces" of "onliners"... as this definitely is a revolutionary time as far as mass "connecting" at a "distance" goes... a very nice "set up" in that way actually.
:)

[Rocky_Shorz]

China - Human case of H5N1 Dies in Shenzhen, Guangdong province (December 30 2011)

Flutrackers forum, experts to keep an eye on what's happening (http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/showthread.php?p=434117#post434117)


In addition, as a bus driver, he was exposed to the public at close range in a contained vehicle. Limited human to human transmission can not be ruled out in this case.

outpatient care on his ankle, exposed to at least 120 people


The Shenzhen Centre for Disease Control says the man isn't thought to have had any direct contact with poultry in the past month. But it suspects he could have caught the virus from infected bird droppings.

link (http://rthk.hk/rthk/news/englishnews/news.htm?hightlight&20111231&56&808610)

This is the province that was having large protests with many injured by police in breaking it up...

[Rocky_Shorz]

Hey Bill, any idea what this might be?

http://images.townnews.com/arkcity.net/content/articles/2011/12/13/news/doc4ee6ee8aa8096385753462.jpg

Strange Object Travels Through Cowley County (http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/13/alien-invasion-strange-object-travels-through-cowley-county/)

[gripreaper]

This is the year when the healthy electric polarity is finally arriving onto the throne of prominence, joined equally by the healthy magnetic polarity - the King and Queen of our internal and planetary kingdom. For a long time, the toxic electric "king" has ruled the world through competition, arrogance, war, violence and judgment, both internally and planetary-wide, with his toxic magnetic "queen," represented by scarcity, manipulation, victimhood, apathy and the "do it for me" attitude, by his side.

The healthy electric King is all about support, patience, cooperative strategies and responsibility, and his healthy magnetic Queen is the presence of love, connectedness, wisdom and pleasure. Together these energies will change our internal and external worlds. The dynamic interplay of these two healthy and complimentary opposites will generate inspiration and passion for our awakening.

Happy New Year everyone. It's going to be a great year!

[Alie]

This book might be outdated, but has been a prized book for me and kind of like a roadmap for a while. Here it is: The Fourth Turning by W. Strauss and N. Howe. Perhaps there are scenarios in there that we haven't considered. The main thing for me was about the generational archetypes, which helps me see a bigger picture --- with people and how they handle the good, bad and ugly.

[Fred259]

Hey Bill, any idea what this might be?

http://images.townnews.com/arkcity.net/content/articles/2011/12/13/news/doc4ee6ee8aa8096385753462.jpg

Strange Object Travels Through Cowley County (http://theintelhub.com/2011/12/13/alien-invasion-strange-object-travels-through-cowley-county/)


Something manufactured in Hollywood being transported en route to the film set perhaps…

[Rocky_Shorz]

Something manufactured in Hollywood being transported en route to the film set perhaps…

they explained it was a drone, but doesn't have wings, it is saucer shaped...

and why did they build it in Kansas, if we can build floats for the Rose Bowl, film props should be no prob...

who needs blue beam when you have Hollywood... ;)

[Belle]

So we have Bill's posts...12 Triggers for World Government and 14 signs that the collapse of our modern world has already begun...and Jean-Luc's post on the top 10 conspiracy facts of 2011 on this thread.....very important posts imo. They tell us what is happening, how it is happening, and what tools they are using. I believe that in the end, whoever is doing this in the name of globalization/world government have a plan in place for after the result they are looking for occurs...think seed vault.

Questions remain, though...who? Who is doing this? And why? What is the point? In digging for answers, I pulled up Hypertiger and Reinhardt, both of whom I quoted in two separate posts. There are others I am finding, but since work keeps interfering, that may have to wait for a day or two.

Is it so far-fetched an idea that a lazy, greedy group of humans may have figured out a way to have everyone else do the work for them while they sat back, collected the 'tributes', and used the power it gave them to control those they enslaved? That they called themselves 'kings' that ruled by 'divine right', and tried to keep it all in the family by focusing on bloodlines and keeping theirs separate since before recorded history? That when it cost them more to pay the slaves than was gained, it was time to reduce the number of slaves? That it worked so well, that they repeated the process over and over, rewriting history and dumbing down the population to keep them from learning the truth and keeping them in confusion? That all these things occurring now are just ways of reducing the population that deflects attention from them and places blame on a myriad of divisions that they themselves have created? And that once that is accomplished, they begin again?

If so, that tells us that they dwell in the physical, and what they do is all based on control of the physical world and the beings in it.

Whereas we know that we are more than our physical bodies...that we are powerful spiritual beings as well. We have our own bag of tools. Besides being smart enough to prepare personally and in our communities for food shortages, bank runs, civil unrest, etc, what else do we carry in our bag of tools? We've shown that we can thwart their timetable and some of their plans by simply focusing on them and exposing them to as many people as possible. We can remain non-violent as they attempt to create civil unrest.

What else do we have available for use in our tool bag? in our spiritual tool bag?

What do you have in your tool bag?

¤=[Post Update]=¤



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11) Staged “Religious” Event. The growing need of the masses for meaning in their lives makes them easy victims of a Hollywood-staged, 3D virtual reality hologram show, orchestrating a “second coming”. An electronically engineered “messianic figure” acting in sync with Elite global objectives? Who would dare go against God himself?

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are.



this is the same exact list we were looking at for 2011, thank you Bill for having Avalon here to trip them up from their insane plans...

They missed their year end deadline... :peace:

I feel like Charlie Sheen

We're Winning!!!

Something tells my your tool bag is filled to overflowing, Rocky.

[puurfectten]

:cool:great post bill...nothing like starting a chess game from "check"...

[puurfectten]

;)but i suppose that's much better than not knowing you are in the game at all..

[Rocky_Shorz]

So we have Bill's posts...12 Triggers for World Government and 14 signs that the collapse of our modern world has already begun...and Jean-Luc's post on the top 10 conspiracy facts of 2011 on this thread.....very important posts imo. They tell us what is happening, how it is happening, and what tools they are using. I believe that in the end, whoever is doing this in the name of globalization/world government have a plan in place for after the result they are looking for occurs...think seed vault.

Questions remain, though...who? Who is doing this? And why? What is the point? In digging for answers, I pulled up Hypertiger and Reinhardt, both of whom I quoted in two separate posts. There are others I am finding, but since work keeps interfering, that may have to wait for a day or two.

Is it so far-fetched an idea that a lazy, greedy group of humans may have figured out a way to have everyone else do the work for them while they sat back, collected the 'tributes', and used the power it gave them to control those they enslaved? That they called themselves 'kings' that ruled by 'divine right', and tried to keep it all in the family by focusing on bloodlines and keeping theirs separate since before recorded history? That when it cost them more to pay the slaves than was gained, it was time to reduce the number of slaves? That it worked so well, that they repeated the process over and over, rewriting history and dumbing down the population to keep them from learning the truth and keeping them in confusion? That all these things occurring now are just ways of reducing the population that deflects attention from them and places blame on a myriad of divisions that they themselves have created? And that once that is accomplished, they begin again?

If so, that tells us that they dwell in the physical, and what they do is all based on control of the physical world and the beings in it.

Whereas we know that we are more than our physical bodies...that we are powerful spiritual beings as well. We have our own bag of tools. Besides being smart enough to prepare personally and in our communities for food shortages, bank runs, civil unrest, etc, what else do we carry in our bag of tools? We've shown that we can thwart their timetable and some of their plans by simply focusing on them and exposing them to as many people as possible. We can remain non-violent as they attempt to create civil unrest.

What else do we have available for use in our tool bag? in our spiritual tool bag?

What do you have in your tool bag?

¤=[Post Update]=¤



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11) Staged “Religious” Event. The growing need of the masses for meaning in their lives makes them easy victims of a Hollywood-staged, 3D virtual reality hologram show, orchestrating a “second coming”. An electronically engineered “messianic figure” acting in sync with Elite global objectives? Who would dare go against God himself?

2012: We must stay especially alert, understanding things the way they really are and not the way the global TV Masters want us to believe they are.



this is the same exact list we were looking at for 2011, thank you Bill for having Avalon here to trip them up from their insane plans...

They missed their year end deadline... :peace:

I feel like Charlie Sheen

We're Winning!!!

Something tells my your tool bag is filled to overflowing, Rocky.

I bought a bigger back pack... :laugh:

[crested-duck]

Is it so far-fetched an idea that a lazy, greedy group of humans may have figured out a way to have everyone else do the work for them while they sat back, collected the 'tributes', and used the power it gave them to control those they enslaved? That they called themselves 'kings' that ruled by 'divine right', and tried to keep it all in the family by focusing on bloodlines and keeping theirs separate since before recorded history? That when it cost them more to pay the slaves than was gained, it was time to reduce the number of slaves? That it worked so well, that they repeated the process over and over, rewriting history and dumbing down the population to keep them from learning the truth and keeping them in confusion? That all these things occurring now are just ways of reducing the population that deflects attention from them and places blame on a myriad of divisions that they themselves have created? And that once that is accomplished, they begin again?
If so, that tells us that they dwell in the physical, and what they do is all based on control of the physical world and the beings in it.
Whereas we know that we are more than our physical bodies...that we are powerful spiritual beings as well. We have our own bag of tools.

"EXCELLENT-" that is the very answer to any and all questions for all involved--my motto:"There is a right tool for every job, but you have to know what it is and how to use it properly" GOT TOOLS???

[misericordia]

I posted a thread about a guy that accurately forewarned about the according to him HAARP induced Japanese Tsunami 104 hours before it happened. More urgently, he now claims that a Californian Tsunami is due to occur very soon.. yet it has garnered minimal attention.

I find it INCREDIBLY frustrating that when it comes to real proven accurate insider information nobody seems to care or notice and instead prefer to engage in threads like this. Threads that serve to regurgitate the same old theories and spiritual messages over and over again. If this guy is right again.. a few lives on this forum could be saved!

So if anybody wants to discuss something much more pertinent and PRAGMATIC with regard to possible future events than please take a look at this thread even if it's simply to debunk this guy as either way I really think that critical discussion concerning this individual is very much needed.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36083-Mitchell-Coombes-Does-he-really-have-access-to-insider-info

[Belle]

I posted a thread about a guy that accurately forewarned about the according to him HAARP induced Japanese Tsunami 104 hours before it happened. More urgently, he now claims that a Californian Tsunami is due to occur very soon.. yet it has garnered minimal attention.

I find it INCREDIBLY frustrating that when it comes to real proven accurate insider information nobody seems to care or notice and instead prefer to engage in threads like this. Threads that serve to regurgitate the same old theories and spiritual messages over and over again. If this guy is right again.. a few lives on this forum could be saved!

So if anybody wants to discuss something much more pertinent and PRAGMATIC with regard to possible future events than please take a look at this thread even if it's simply to debunk this guy as either way I really think that critical discussion concerning this individual is very much needed.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36083-Mitchell-Coombes-Does-he-really-have-access-to-insider-info

I posted a quote from http://www.enterprisecorruption.com...the posted quote was reinhardt's answer to the question as to how he correctly called the date of the market crash (September 15, 2008) two months in advance (July 18, 2008) on the Google message board. reinhardt's account was subsequently banned prior to the September 15th date.

From the Google message board http://finance.google.com/group/google.finance.983582/browse_thread/thread/aad550b590f931bf


"reinhardt

"Crash is in September."


yup


and the negative news that will move the market downward should occur
Sept 15


this organization below.. runs the show


http://www.legatus.org/public/index.asp


the money laundering occurs just prior to the pilgrimage to rome and
the checks are written during the pilgrimage and the checks clear by
September 14 and the negative news leaks out (something along the
lines of "insider trading on a mass scale at a major brokerage) then
they start crossing the "t"s and dotting the "i"s on Sarbanes-Oxley II


SOX II will certainly protect the working class' nest-eggs fur sure!"


Hypertiger has posted on the wall street examinter for years, but they only keep one year's worth of posts found here http://forums.wallstreetexaminer.com/index.php?app=core&module=search&do=user_activity&mid=5034&search_app=forums&userMode=all&st=0. In August, 2006 Cheryl-Lynne Rose Henderson began compiling his posts as blog entries found here http://hypertiger.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html


I have read your thread on Mitchell Coombes. and find him worth following up on...much like I found reinhardt and Hypertiger and have been following their information since. There are a few very credible people like reinhardt and Hypertiger, who have proven themselves over a period of years. Coombes is relatively new, but there's something about him...

[Alekahn]

I agree with you misericordia, that we should be watching closely what this young man is saying and to that end I have employed a small group of university students who are on FB, to monitor his posts and spread the information to those with ears to hear. This thread on what may be in store for the coming period of relative time (2012 and well beyond for some), being so vast, complex and replete with the unknown, is understandably dis/couraging and frustrating for all. This must be somehow - balanced - inwardly by every one of us, each in our own way and time. Your call for a (much) more pragmatic view of this plethora of potentiality is being heard by many. As one who has followed PA from the beginning (and being amongst other things a practical realist/'prepper'), I find that there are indeed many currently here in this community who are paying close attention to world events and the cosmo-vision which is the immense and astonishing backdrop for all that is transpiring here on this planet, while simultaneously taking whatever steps individually possible to prepare for all that is to come. My point being that (IMO) there is much discussion and critical analysis going on here in this unique forum and it feels that it is poised to ramp up considerably in the coming days, weeks, and months. More than a few lives have already been 'saved' by this sharing of information, knowledge and wisdom...with more to come no doubt. Take heart that your call to action is being heard, felt, and acted upon in countless ways, on many levels, by many of us (though it may not feel to be).

This balance of which I speak, though it may at times be delicate, is being created by our different approaches to this unfolding drama. Practical and pragmatic, spiritual and metaphysical...do not seem to be mutually exclusive, nor do they have to be. In my view they go hand in glove so to speak, both being vital to our process of waking up and re-membering who and what we are and why we have come here in this most amazing cycle of Earth and human evolution. I am acquainted with many who concentrate on one side (the pragmatic) or the other (the spiritual). I know few who have chosen to explore and journey the treacherous middle path, blending them into a new and expanding awareness, coupled with acts and deeds by those who shall create anew for the Earth and for the children of the new Earth. The razor's edge it has been called. Encouragement and inspiration abounds here. Much respect for your efforts.
A.



I posted a thread about a guy that accurately forewarned about the according to him HAARP induced Japanese Tsunami 104 hours before it happened. More urgently, he now claims that a Californian Tsunami is due to occur very soon.. yet it has garnered minimal attention.

I find it INCREDIBLY frustrating that when it comes to real proven accurate insider information nobody seems to care or notice and instead prefer to engage in threads like this. Threads that serve to regurgitate the same old theories and spiritual messages over and over again. If this guy is right again.. a few lives on this forum could be saved!

So if anybody wants to discuss something much more pertinent and PRAGMATIC with regard to possible future events than please take a look at this thread even if it's simply to debunk this guy as either way I really think that critical discussion concerning this individual is very much needed.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36083-Mitchell-Coombes-Does-he-really-have-access-to-insider-info

[Jean-Luc]

Laura Knight-Jadczyk also appreciates Adian Salbuchi's educated guesses for 2012. Here is what she wrote two days ago :


"The RT journalist, Adrian Salbuchi did a pretty good job on this though there are some niggling points that SOTT readers make on our forum worth considering such as the failure to mention possible cometary bombardment of Earth (an ever-increasing danger, it seems, based on the scientific evidence). The following would be my list of probable events for 2012, adapted from the list produced by Salbuchi:

1) Climate Change is the driver of nearly everything else that is happening on the planet. As the UK Guardian reported back in 2004, the Pentagon told Bush that Climate Change was going to destroy us. Not "Global Warming", as RT implies, though Global Warming precedes Ice Ages; Global Warming is just a ruse to impose greater controls.

Take your pick...
2) Financial Meltdown and resulting Economic Crises. As RT points out, this has been in process since 2008 (actually long before that, but not much reviving going on since then though official reports keep trying to beat that dead horse). The reasons behind the Financial Crises are mainly because the psychopathic Elite of the world are working very hard to gain control of the resources of the planet exactly as predicted in the above mentioned Pentagon report.

3) Financial Crises will lead to Social Upheavals. There is more to the social upheavals as well. Again, it goes back to Climate Change. When the weather goes bonkers and the crops don't come in, people get hungry. Meanwhile, the Elite are working like crazy to gain control of the resources which compounds the social problems.

4) Pandemics. There can be several reasons for the pandemics, not the least of which is Climate Change which weakens populations and makes them susceptible to illness. And a greater number of susceptible individuals - whether human or other species - means more opportunities for mutations of viruses.

Then, there is the possibility of comet dust borne disease pathogens bringing viruses unknown-as-yet to the human immune system. The possibility of a repeat of a scenario similar to the Black Death is better than average.

Of course, we can't forget the Psychopathic Elite wanting to eliminate millions, if not billions, of individuals competing for the resources they are trying to gain control of, so let's add in genetically engineered bugs released on the human population by Covert Ops. As RT today pointed out, such events provide opportunities for mandatory vaccinations and an opportunity to slip RFID chips into our bodies They also mention the possibility of testing "intelligent viruses" targeting specific DNA strains. Racially and ethnically selective viruses as part of mass depopulation campaigns? Indeed, SOTT.net pioneered exposure of Ethnic Specific Weapons back in 2003. (See here.)

5) I agree with RT that 'Terrorist' 'False Flag' 'Mega-Attacks' are a possibility, though I tend to think they are less probable. "The Elite have this wildcard up their sleeve to jump-start new "crises" as short-cuts towards world government. Will new "attacks" dwarfing 9/11 justify further global wars, invasions and genocide? A nuclear weapon over a major city to be blamed on the Elite's 'enemies'?" There is also the possibility of overhead cometary explosions being blamed on terrorism. The more I think about it, the less I would give this any high probability. More likely is the above-mentioned pandemics. When a population is laid low by something that kills on the scale of the Black Death, not much else is needed.

Not forgetting...
6) RT writes: "Generalized War in the Middle East. As we speak, naval forces, bombers, entire armies are poised to attack and invade Syria, Iran..." I actually think that one of the Psychopathic Elite's agendas is to destroy all truly Semitic peoples (which most people going by the name "Jews" nowadays are most decidedly NOT, though most Arabs are.) More than that, I think that the generalized war-mongering is mostly an activity designed to keep the masses in a state of anxiety and to distract them and induce them to agree to even more draconian measures.

7) Ecological/Environmental "Accidents" are just a by-product of Psychopaths in power. It's a consequence of greed and stupidity so, sure, something like that is possible

8) I'm not too sure I think that some sort of staged religious or alien contact event will take place. It's possible, but rather low on my list of probabilities. I don't think such things will be necessary to justify the "One World Government" as RT suggests. As I've already mentioned, Climate Change and Pandemics will do quite nicely for their plans. After all, we already have a One World Government as anybody with their eyes open can see. Just notice what countries have instituted a smoking ban and you can be sure that they are members of the "Club.""

More on : http://www.sott.net/articles/show/239640-2012-On-The-Eve-Of-Destruction-

[jasontorque]

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1) Financial Meltdown. Since 2008, the Global Financial System continues on life-support. Ben Bernanke, Timothy Geithner and the US economic hit team – Robert Rubin, Larry Summers and Goldman Sachs, CitiGroup, JPMorganChase mega-bankers working with the Bank of England and the European Central Bank – have not and will not take any measures to help the populace and ailing economies. They just funnel trillions to the banking elite, imposing the media myth that certain banks are “too big to fail” (Orwellian Newspeak for “too damn powerful to fail”). Why? Because it’s not governments overseeing, supervising and controlling Goldman Sachs, CitiCorp, HSBC, Deutsche Bank, JPMorganChase, but exactly the other way around…

Whilst I appreciate that this unprecedented speech by Lord James of Blackheath has been widely discussed and reported across the Internet, I wondered whether if anyone had received any information regarding its validity.

QaA-5_IjkeE

[Lettherebelight]

Not sure if everyone can access this link....but for those of us in the UK, it doesn't get much more mainstream than Radio 4.

This was a discussion tonight from the BBC regarding the 2012 phenomena and it's possibilities....hmmmm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018xwt3

[Seikou-Kishi]

To add to the mix:... ...crumbles into history.



When I look around and see that the world is 'ending', I cannot help but think that it has deserved to end for a very long time. The end of this world is nothing for us to lament, it's what we've been hoping for for far too long to spoil with apprehension.

[araucaria]

From Book IV (just out) of Dolores Cannon’s Convoluted Universe, here is something interesting (p.431):


I asked about the information I had been given about the New Earth and the Old Earth. And the splitting and the new world moving into a new dimension. And that some people would want to stay with the old ways and not change.
S. I don’t see that. Maybe someone else needs to come in to talk to you about that. There are many of us here. – This energy is everywhere. I cannot see anything being able to exist in a destructive, violent, negative form. It cannot stand. Now maybe this is the New Earth you are referring to, but an Old Earth... I just don’t see it.

This would tend to show that Bill and others here were right to see a logistical problem with the Old Earth theory.

And paradoxically, by showing that Dolores Cannon’s material is still multiple points of view rather than divine gospel, it gives extra value to that material as a work in progress flexible enough to stand up to this sort of criticism.

[araucaria]

Not sure if everyone can access this link....but for those of us in the UK, it doesn't get much more mainstream than Radio 4.

This was a discussion tonight from the BBC regarding the 2012 phenomena and it's possibilities....hmmmm.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018xwt3

This is excellent, brushing aside the dross and placing the emphasis on the manmade time bomb we have created. The only question is whether broadcasts like this will alert people to the urgency of the situation or just lull them back into complacency.

[mh842]

I believe that if you keep preaching doom and gloom then it kinda becomes a self fulling prophecy. When anything slightly bad happens, you can associate it to any part of a bigger picture that you believe in. There by using any kind of reasoning to make it seem plausible that the end times are now or the world is going for a ****ter. My father tells me about the events in the 60's and 70's where the middle east seemed to be on the verge of starting World War III then. Not to mention the Cold War. So i do think this year will be trying but i am not convinced that with world is screwed, and all we can do now is survive it. There is still time to make a change.

[Kelly]

Me too! :confused: xxx

[Sharma]

2012 is the year the truth comes out and the NWO fail spectacularly - all we need to prepare is the biggest party ever !!

[Makoto]

To Kerry…about ISDA, we need more than that, I say that the American Bank holiday and the death of Dollar not yet but close…maybe by the end of this year according to the Cabal’s plan.
Oxford guys again!
Again, those Oxford grads and friends knew what is going to happen.
Monty python team, and their American friend Terry Gilliam (“Brazil” and “twelve monkeys”), and Sarah Smith and her stuff and team this time….
According to Lindsey William, time is not yet but it is close. When we first see the straight of Hormuz closed and US /Isreal attack on Iran. Oil price 200 dollar per barrel and gold above 3000 USD.. Euro has to be completely gone and German will take over by Deutsche Mark. You have to watch this movie and you know, why there is argument is going on between Merkel and European central bank (as it seems). “The German did it!, they knew from the get go that was their plan!” in especially from th French speaking region. Like David Icke said” tip toe procedure- 3 steps forward and 2 steps back…for the European super state. We will not let that happen “mate”. (I am not British they can keep all their Pound :-) hope Brits are more clever than Icelandic people. Let the banks fail. Let them fail, let them fail… that is the answer.



In the world of Arthur Christmas, the position of Santa Claus (it’s a co-production with Sony, so we’ll forgive the Americanism) is passed throne-like down the family line. There’s a neat Charles and Liz dynamic going on, as the eldest son waits impatiently for the position of “non-executive figurehead” to fall to him.

Hugh Laurie’s Steve Christmas is a Bluetooth headset-wearing general-type who embraces all things technological in a bid to hit targets. His bookshelf sports a Thatcher biography, in his walk-in wardrobe hang Versace Santa Suits, and he mumbles about quantitative easing in his sleep. What’s missing in efficient Steve is what inept Arthur has in spades: Christmas spirit.
http://www.moviereviews.co.uk/reviews/arthur-christmas-review
Steve is more interested in quantitative easing than kids, so when one child’s present gets overlooked, he regards it as statistically insignificant. Arthur, dismayed, decides to attempt delivery, with the help of wrapping-obsessed elf Bryony and superannuated GrandSanta, who thinks things were better in his day – with reindeer, sleighs and the odd elf lost over Germany.
http://mercifullyshortreviews.wordpress.com/2011/11/21/arthur-christmas/
We could use more British humor here in the western states of the colony…
From the Lone and the Wild West,
Raccoon trapper
Makoto,


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[Makoto]

By the way about the religious aspect of this movie,
I forgot mention about King Author (the movie hero here same name) is supposed to do a lot about Cornwall (where a girl lives, who did not get the Christmas present at the first trial because something happened to the Santa’s’ space craft) in legend. Well, so do Camelot and Avalon, you know. He will come out of his long sleep and save Britain from this financial crisis when things get out of hand.
Lady Diana supposed to become NWO new religious Icon under something to do with Jesus Christ/Mary. She was killed (sacrificed and body was frozen for the safe keeping for this purpose) in the tunnel under the bridge named “Moon passage” moon goodness= “Diana” same one that Statue of Liberty is depicting. It is nothing to do with Freedom. It is all Masonic. According to David Icke/Stwart Swerdlow.

[Vanessa]

It's nice to approach the subject without being fear based, but from preparatory standpoint. It makes sense to prepare an emergency pack and have a plan ready...

Yes, I always need a plan. I never use it but it's nice to have. So far the only plan I have is to accept the now and make the best of it.