A Strange Occurrence of Sleep Paralysis

[STATIC]

Let me first say that I'm reluctant to share this due to the extreme strangeness of the whole experience.
I will simply try to retell every aspect of what happened.
I have not told anyone about this yet, but since most of you avalonians are very loving and understanding people, I figure this is a good place to get some feedback.

It is the night after Christmas. I reckon December, 26. Time unknown, but it's dark. I'm guessing sometime between midnight and 3 in the morning. I am sleeping at my sisters house after spending a beautiful Christmas day with the family. My dog is sleeping on the bed right next to me.

The room I am in is lit up by the street lights out side the large window that is right in front of the bed I am on, so it is not pitch black.

I wake up abruptly, like I have woken up out of a surgery gone bad. There is no transition from the sleeping to the waking state like I would usually have. I am hyperventilating, and realize to my horror that I have no control over any part of my body whatsoever except for moving my eyes.

I instantly feel a presence in the room. The Bed is Positioned to the back right hand corner of the room with approximately 6 feet of space to the left and 5feet in front with a big double hung window in front of me.

Panic is the best word to describe my feelings at this point. I scan the room for only a second and see and feel a presence to my left. I can see a pitch black figure standing by the wall. I am still hyperventilating. I don't understand what is going on with my body, no control.

I can hear my brother in law snoring in a room 10 feet down the hall, over my own breathing witch is making a whistling sound because I can't even control my lips. I don't notice my dog next to me at this point which is an important factor considering the overbearing presence I feel in the room.

I always sleep and awaken on my stomach, so to awaken in a supine position is also something to note.
My head is tilted left which is probably why I don't notice my dog to my right. I'm looking straight at the dark figure. It has no discernible features. It seems like some sort of ethereal body, made of complete blackness. The wall to my left is white, so the the dark figure is quite out of place and moving slightly. Not like a shadow on the wall but a 3d figure in front of it.

The perception on a psychic level is strong. I feel somehow that it has control over me. I know at this point that this is not a dream. I am completely awake and intently watching this figure while I am uncontrollably hyperventilating the whole time; not out of fear but as if this were my normal breathing state. Not to say that there was not an element of fear.

I am expecting it to say something to me but It is silent.

It seems like an eternity has gone by in a state which has been unknowns to me till now. Then something happens after i'm guessing 10min. The figure rises up off the ground and expands horizontally and shrinks slightly vertically. Kind of the shape of a bat with its wings spread out completely. It rises to the sealing then starts to move down diagonally toward me.

I try to say something, anything. A scream would be good to wake anyone else up in the house, but all that comes out is a groan. As the black figure is about to envelop me, I balck out.

This is where it gets even stranger. When I wake back up the first thing I see when I come to is a face.
I am now laying face down...? I see this under my eyelids. Or maybe my third eye. I see the face of what I would precieve as some sort of E.T.

The controll of my body has returned. So I sit up on my hands and knees while i'm opening and closing my eyes.

The first thing I say is what the ****, You have got to be ****ing kidding me (pardon my french, but that is what I said). The face I to my total disbelief am seing looks roughly like The pic at the bottom. Every time I close my eyes I see it, in translusant green.

Know my attention truns to my dog who has been next to me this whole time. Mind you my dog will investigate anything going wrong out of a dead sleep. Aspecially if it someone who is in distress which I definitely was, let alone some entity moving around in the room. It doesn't take much to wake him up.

I hear a panting noise coming from him. Like he is in distress. The same hyperventilation that I was going through before I balcked out. I call his name several times. Nothing. I move his body closer to me and grab his face and pick his head up and look him straight in the face. He is panting like he just got done running the iditerod, but there is nobody home. I cannot wake him. I shake his head..., but he is limp and hyperventilating.

He's breathing so I just leave him alone. I close my Eyes again and the face is still there.

That is pretty much it. I calm myself down and go back to sleep.

I know it sounds totally rediculous but apparently many other people have experienced something similar to this. Here are a few articles that I have read in the last day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis
http://www.theparanormal.me/2011/10/sleep-paralysis-shadow-people-and-old.html
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/exchange/node/1740
http://the-psychic-detective.com/shadow-people-sleep-paralysis.htm
http://www.freewebs.com/faeden/shadowpeopleshadowers.htm

Here is also a documentary on Sleep paralysis and shadow figures
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If any of you have anything similar to share or even some better explanation for this it would be much appreciated.

Weirded out I tell you.

[DNA]

i believe ghosts are the most common form of this. but i don't deny the greys employing this method in their own way.

[BMJ]

Hi Static,
Not weird, I had a similiar experience but the black entity was a negative dark presence. Below is a link to my experience it may offer some insight.
Link:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14614-Physical-possession-by-another-spirit

P.S. On a personal note F@#k the idea of giving into any fear.

[wolf_rt]

I have had a similar experiance which i detailed on another thread here: (good thread, i believe some other similar experiences were recounted as well)
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?14275-What-Is-Your-Unusual-Experience-Story&p=164435&viewfull=1#post164435

I thaught i would share a strange and somewhat embarrasing story.

Many years ago (i was about 19 i think) i was drinking tequila with a friend. This friend considered himself a 'pagan' though i would not have considered him as such. We spent the night discussing spiritual and esoteric matters.
My friend was a BIG drug user (and i myself smoked pot), though we had nothing that night except the tequila, and neither of us got particually drunk.
Anyway, i noticed a 'shadow' in the top corner of the room where there shouldn't have been a shadow, and i believe i mentioned it to my mate, and we discussed spiritual beings, demons etc. in some depth.
A few hours later i decided to go to bed (2am ish).. An hour or two later i 'woke' to find a humanoid entity in my room. This thing had no legs and floated around the room, nor did it seem to have ever HAD legs or genitals. It was dark brown / black and had a 'veiny' textured appearance. In other respects it appeared 'human'.
I was paralized, laying on my back, with my arms spread. I couldnt move, but didn't struggle to do so particually hard. I did not feel physically threatened by the entity, but was uncomfortable with its precence.
The 'entity' then proceded to lay atop me upside down, and perform fellatio on my flaccid member...UGH....
At this point i was well and truly over it, and subvocalised "In Jesus name be-gone" and it vanished, and i was freed from my paralisis. I do not consider myself a christian, and am not entirely sure why i chose to use the name of Jesus.

My friend was declared criminally insane and incarcerated within 1-2 years after this event, many others who know him declare him to be possesed, even those who have no intrest or experiance in this area.

I have no doubt that if not actualy possesed, it was his negative energy and openess to the occult that drew this entity.

What did i learn?
The power of a name.
Not to hang out with occult practitionars.
It confirmed the existance of 'spiritual' entitys for me.
that getting severely F***ed up on drugs, open you to negative forces.

I have been told that this entity is a form of 'Jinn' though i have failed to confirm this for myself.

Anyway there it is.

[STATIC]

Thanks for the input guys.
It is comforting to know that this seems to be a relatively common occurrence.

If It had not been for the state of my dog I think I may have just brushed it under the rug as some sort freak night terror and forgot about it.
I am not a particular fearful person, and hardly ever have anything in my dreams that would resemble a nightmare. So this was very out of place to say the least.

I'm not quite sure which side of the fence i'm on.
The medical explanation for sleep paralysis seems to be simple enough, but It doesn't really account for all of the different descriptions I have read so far.

The undeniable feeling of someone in the room, and then actually seeing it there for such a prolonged period of time didn't seem to be any sort of hallucination to me.

[Ultima Thule]

When I was 19, I was in the army. I woke up in the middle of the night, paralyzed. I could see a dark entity against the window. After tremendous effort I forced myself to sit up, resulting in waking up again - this time the entity closer, again paralyzed. This repeated for 5-8 times with the entity closing up, very terrifying. Finally I woke up for the last time, could move and the entity was gone. I am wondering whether some of you shamans in here have an opinion as to this subject? I would not be surprised for this to be the modus operandi of a class of entities wanting to take over. You get to choose a no, but it requires tremendous will power.
UT

[BMJ]

What did i learn?
The power of a name.
Not to hang out with occult practitionars.
It confirmed the existance of 'spiritual' entitys for me.
that getting severely F***ed up on drugs, open you to negative forces.

I would agree totally.

[conk]

I have experienced this once. No entities as such, but a real sense of fear.

My 17 year old had this experience multiple times a year ago. Dark figures, one bright yellow figure. Movement around the room. She was quite frightened, until I assured her that she was special to be able to have this experience. I asked her if she had ever been harmed and she said no. Then, embrace the strangeness of it and be very curious. Study it intensely if it occurs again. She is now ok with it. She has seen men in her room since she was small. Jesus types, men with no face, darkly clothed men, yellow men. Ugly men sitting on the side of her bed. She's tough! I would be a quaking pile of jelly.

[Mark]

You have received your invitation to go backstage and witness reality, instead of the comforting banality of the everyday world. In one sense, welcome, in another sense, oh boy, you are now in for a wild ride. My first experience that I can remember of sleep paralysis was when I was about 9 years old, I am 44 now. Back when I was a child, I remember the dark entities and it was then that I stopped forevermore sleeping on my stomach. I sleep primarily on my side now because experience has shown me it is the best way to get a good nights sleep and also the best way to position yourself so that, if you begin to feel the vibrations cycling and sleep paralysis coming on you can move your body parts and get out of it easiest.

The doctor stuff and the medical explanation is all well and good for what it's worth which, to me, is not much. It tells you about chemicals and how the body is actually processing whatever to create the effect but it tells you nothing about what it is or how to use it. You have to do your own research for that. Because you have had the experience, which not a lot of people really do, that must mean that, at some level, you are ready. Because you are here at Avalon, that is further indication that you are ready.

I recommend, to start, Robert Monroe's Journeys Out Of The Body (https://www.dmt-nexus.me/Files/Books/General/Journeys%20Out%20Of%20The%20Body-Robert%20Monroe.pdf). That's what got me started back in my early 20s with consciously working with this process. There are threads here on the forum where people speak in detail about their experiences, I also recommend that you search those for further information and possibilities.

[STATIC]

Thanks Rahkyt,
I'll check that out. I have been doing alot of reading on the subject. However if you have allready walked down this road I would welcome any more suggestions you have.
Also what would I type in the search to find those old posts that relate to this?

[Mark]

Here are a few:

Sleep paralysis survey. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?19951-Sleep-Paralysis-Survey--Help-Make-History----)

Sleep Paralysis and Strange Tone. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?23089-Sleep-paralysis-and-strange-tone&highlight=sleep+paralysis)

MMS causing terrifying nightmares, sleep paralysis, demons in the room? (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?17268-MMS-causing-terrifying-nightmares-sleep-paralysis-demons-in-the-room&p=197473&highlight=sleep+paralysis#post197473)

The Out of Body Experience. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?26845-The-Out-of-Body-Experience&highlight=oobe)

I'm sure there are many others.

Carmody and DNA and others are very knowledgeable about this topic as well.

[WhiteFeather]

It happened to me in the middle of the night a few years ago, it felt like something was sitting on my chest for about 2 minutes or so my heart was racing incredibly too. I didnt remember seeing any dark figures though, maybe because it was dark in my room. Weird $hit, hope all is ok with you bro. Before you go to sleep ask for protection from your guides and only spirits from the light, this is a great form of protection for you, before you drift off into slumber.

[RedeZra]

it's an evil soul or spirit with little or no light left

still they have to obey God

so if you call on Christ they must leave


FYI when we sin we also soil our souls with black spots

[Bongo]

That has happened to me but I wasn't paralyzed for more than a minute or 2, I woke to a dark humanoid figure standing over me like how a doctor or nurse would stand over a patient when checking something, I got really freaked out, thought you shouldn't be here then felt extreme overpowering fear & it sensed it & disappeared & I got control of my body back. I put this experience down to me waking up in the astral state due to the way it disappeared & the light of the room, it was a very sunny day when I woke paralyzed & when I got control of my body back the light in the room seemed to go (a virtually unnoticeable) shade brighter while the figure vanished, but I was obviously paying good attention & can remember that happening.

There was also a time I was drifting in & out of sleep in the early hours of the morning, lying on my side with the light on & I felt a double pat on the side of my body waking me up. I very quickly turned around & there was nothing there... not sure if this is connected to sleep paralysis or its something else but thought I would mention it.

[Unified Serenity]

It sounds to me like you got munched on by a succubus / incubus. It's not fun, but it's also not usually deadly, though it can screw with your mind. I'd take precautions to not allow it back jmho. They do have to obey the rebuke to leave you in the name of Yeshua, and it works. I would have done the same for my dog.

I've dealt with them before. I wonder if the alien thing you kept seeing was really something called the "froglike" demon which is linked to sexual perversion. Succubus love to instill terror and sexual lust energy. It's a spiritual rape basically, and they feed off the heightened energy / prana. I'd ground and center and yes, there will more than likely be a round 2 until you show it you are not afraid and banish it.

That's been my experience with such energies years ago. Once you deal with them, they don't return because they don't like getting their butt kicked. The old woman is known as the night hag and the account of the girl in the first video which I just started to watch is typical.

[STATIC]

it's an evil soul or spirit with little or no light left

still they have to obey God

so if you call on Christ they must leave


FYI when we sin we also soil our souls with black spots

How do you know this?
I didn't really seem malevolent to me.
The only fear I had was really as a result of being paralyzed.
Yes it was a dark figure, but should I automatically assume that it is some sort of demonic entity because of that?
The documentary that i posted had a lot of that stuff in it. I don't completely discount it but I don't quite jive with that.
I could be wrong :)

[Hypothetical]

I've had several occasions of this happen to me over the years as well I also have on several occasions awoke to spirits in my room that are non threatening. I was explained by a psychic about 2 years ago that the reason I would have these dark entities attack me in this way was because I was an older spirit with a brighter light aura. A blue one as she described. I explained to her about these experiences similar to yours and I'd fight with all my will to move off the bed. In some cases roll myself right off the bed which unfortunately didn't always wake me but would usually awaken my wife. Which would turn the light on and then the negative entity would pass. This woman psychic told me to simply will the entity away and be forceful and it would be forced to leave.

I travel a fair amount for work and on this one trip another colleague was with me we had to make three stops on a sales trip and since we're also friends we were ok with sharing a room on the trip. Well it wasn't until we were leaving Madison, WI for Milwaukee that we noticed that the address for the next hotel shared 333 in the address. It too was 333 something street. So I looked at the next hotel in Appleton and it to was 333 something. Along the way to Appleton we decided to grab a starbucks and the exit with the starbucks to our surprise was 333. We also would notice 333 in other places which normally would have been no big deal. So we thought something was up in general. We get to Appleton which is a small town in Wisconsin. We pull up in front of the hotel and directly across from the hotel there is a spiritual store called the Angel Store. I say to my buddy that I'm going to go check it out while he checks us in. Since it seemed all to non-coincidental. So I go over and walk through this store and it's quite a large store with may different things from Buddha's to Crystals, Candles, Jewellery, etc. and many many books. So I walk the store and make it to the book shelves and randomly grab a book off one the shelves. A lady working comes over and asks if I need assistance and I say I'm just looking and since my wife is a 2nd level Reiki that I thought she might want something. As i'm holding this book in my hands I call my wife on my cell and explain to her where i'm at and if there is anything she'd like me to get for her. She says very nonchalantly that she's like a book by Doreen Virtue. This was the very book I was holding in my hand. So that startled me a bit since she could have asked for anything. Well its in this store that I notice that they have a psychic working and figure I best see if my spirit guide has something to share with me based on all the weird occurrences on this trip. This is the psychic I mentioned above.

Well I return to the hotel with my buddy and as we walk back he informs me that we in fact have room 3330. We walk into the room and both happen to look at the alarm clock on shows 3:33. We still had no idea why we were seeing the 3's everywhere.

That night I awoke (light sleeper) and I did my usual thing where I scan the room for spirits or entities. I scan the room and as I look towards the door at the foot of my friends bed is a dark figure wearing a black cloak with Blue trim. I stare right at it but the face is very dark and the room is quite dark. As I stare at it my body freezes up and this thing starts coming at me. I'm able to move my legs but not the rest of my body. I lift my legs to hold it off and in its right hand its holding something that looks like a needle. This entity is trying to get past my legs and at this point I remember what the psychic had told me and I simply focused my intent on it being gone. I also envisioned a blast of light emanating out of me and hitting it. I become instantly freed and sit up and which point my friend sits up in his bed and says what the hell was that thing. He had seen the entity and couldn't move either and was frozen as well he held the blankets over his head in the hopes he was just having a bad dream. Come to find out he said he awoke to severe soreness in his upper arm.

I had one more occurrence of this type and later on when I was on my own. But i too quickly willed the thing away. I've had nothing for almost 2 years which is a big deal based on the frequency I dealt with this stuff. I believe they don't bother any more. (knock on wood)

On a side note I recently dealt with a demonic presence but this was related to me assisting a different friend that ended up getting possessed after playing with a ouija board. (please stay away from them) He's undergone an exorcism and has been cleared of it. But it wasn't happy that I was helping the exorcism. This demon taunted me one night a couple weeks ago. It moved around the bed while my wife slept I sensed and heard it moving from side to side but having used arch angel prayers for protection it was kept a bit a bay but I could feel the evil in the room. I'm spiritual not religious and I have seen Angels and I do believe that they help us when we call on them. I envisioned a vortex of light coming down from the 5th dimension full of pure blue light and called on Michael to protect me. At this time my hands became so hot that I felt the urge to point them in the direction of the demon and to me it felt like I let go of a freight train. The day after this the Exorcism completed (3rd attempt). Another person that was more closely part of the exorcism had a similar event happen to her and she nor I had spoken priorly about my incident. The interesting thing is her daughter which had seen the demon in her room felt compelled to use a similar method to remove the entity from her room.

I hope this helps to hear other accounts from other people. I struggled with this throughout my life and was very fearful. Luckily my family believed me and I had their support. My biggest lessons I learned was that there is no need ot be afraid and in fact fear makes it worse and secondly that no one can take your soul you are in complete control.

Cheers,
Karl

[STATIC]

Thanks Karl and everyone else for responding with your stories.
It does help a lot. I do wonder if the house that I was at had anything to do with the incident.
I play my crystal bowl every night before I go to bed, also when I wake up so hopefully that will help.


I wonder if the alien thing you kept seeing was really something called the "froglike" demon which is linked to sexual perversion.
Ya, I really don't know... I know the pic is a classic grey, but it's not a 100% fit. The eyes were square on the outside narrowing towards the middle.

[Unified Serenity]

Well, I have known people who encountered the lil monsters. One had three or four of them at the foot of her bed and she said they looked an awful lot like the alien in ET, you know with the glowing finger all sweet n innocent. Well,these lil monsters were not sweet and innocent. I have not encountered that one before, but I had no reason to doubt the person who was telling me a very personal story they were obviously upset by and embarrassed, but felt safe talking to me as I had no problem disclosing my own experiences with entities and ghosts.

Sometimes keeping a glass of water on your night table helps. Don't drink out of it. Just set it there. Salt helps as well. Salt the borders of your house, window sills and annoint your home. Smudging is wonderful as well, just remember to do every room and closet and get the smoke everywhere claiming your home in your authority. If you knowingly have allowed something in through some behavior you know to be wrong, turn away from it, renounce it, ground and center yourself, and in pure authority claim your area. This is one reason why many people have problems in hotels and strange places because of left over energies. A simple clearing is all that is needed. You don't have to do a two hour working to make a room safe. Just clear it out and enjoy your space.

I hope this helps.

[STATIC]

will do,
I'm going to see about getting a sage bundle.

[mannygtr]

Hi Static,
it happen to me too.. i've seen weird stuff in that state.. sometime is not even with paralysis i see entities or object totally out of place in my room.
No big deal at last, it really happen to a lot of people.
if it happen another time, just keep calm you can control it, observe with no judgement, fear wont help!!

[RedeZra]

it's an evil soul or spirit with little or no light left

still they have to obey God

so if you call on Christ they must leave


FYI when we sin we also soil our souls with black spots

How do you know this?
I didn't really seem malevolent to me.
The only fear I had was really as a result of being paralyzed.
Yes it was a dark figure, but should I automatically assume that it is some sort of demonic entity because of that?
The documentary that i posted had a lot of that stuff in it. I don't completely discount it but I don't quite jive with that.
I could be wrong :)

well it got to be something

and i know these creatures have the tendency to disappear before the Name of Jesus

if you know your Bible then you know Jesus cast out demons


there is not much mention about devils and demons today so people might think they do not exist

but this is just because the Devil rules the world... and so who would tell ?

[FutureHumanDestiny]

I recently made a video about this topic. i'll link it below.

i'd like to offer years of experience with it; i used to get paralyzed all of the time and had to figure out how to deal with it on my own.

basically, if you want to prevent sleep paralysis it's easy, the info is in the video. all you have to do is eat at the right time, sleep in the correct position (at the right time), and get high quality sleep at the right time.

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i hope that this helps

[BestLion]

it's an evil soul or spirit with little or no light left

still they have to obey God

so if you call on Christ they must leave


FYI when we sin we also soil our souls with black spots
Do you really have to include Jesus in every post? Is this your mission to evangelize, and convert us or something? Many of us have found a higher meaning in life then the shallow Jesus -Christian materialistic faith brings!lay off and respect us!
I think sleep paralysis, can alter the state of mind..sort of like an altered state of conscience..And while in this we can maybe see a other dimension or things we can normally see in 3D. So I think somehow your mind was not in the 3rd dimension..and your mind and body were not working together during this. lots of people have claimed to have seen spirits-ghost while in sleep paralysis. Seems a common theme.

[BestLion]

and i know these creatures have the tendency to disappear before the Name of Jesus

if you know your Bible then you know Jesus cast out demons
What a load of rotten rubbish! You've been watching too many reruns of the Exorcist!
Demons, fairies, spirits ghost come from other dimensions. if they somehow get to this world..they tend to be just as fearful of humans as we would be of them..thus creaming Mickey Mouse or the Cookie Monster would have the same effect on them as would be saying the name Jesus.
I'd like to see your Jesus do something real then chasing away then Boggy man. Why don't he start curing cancer on all his believers..??? Why don't we see him raise from the dead that little 5 year old girl that was in a car crash? NOPE no proof..and he never has!
What does tend to work is positive thinking, and faith in the cosmos. These two things have helped people get better. Not your plagiarized god Jesus

[Laura Elina]

I have had sleep paralysis a few times, the last time it happened, it went on for about a minute I think, it's hard to estimate, but it felt like it could have lasted for an hour.

Really just knowing what was going on helped, I calmed down fast and there was no fear, just an uncomfortable feeling of that... I am trying to move, but I can't. The first seconds can be so disorientating, when you come around and try to figure out what is happening.

I watched the 10min video by FutureHumanDestiny :), I agree with his tips (from my own experience) on how to make it stop, I started having my experiences, when I was going through extreme stress, which caused a lack of sleep etc and things just kind of snowballed from there.

About a week ago (I've had this happen, when I was a teenager, but it stopped for ten years) I experienced something that is called the "exploding head syndrome" by modern medicine I suppose, it's classified as a "parasomnia condition" (which I think is what FutureHumanDestiny might have been describing in his video? Sounded similar). Essentially I woke up to a loud sound in my head, which rang as if someone had hit a metallic object with another metallic object, and I saw a few lights too, the other times the sound has been a gunshot, an explosion, but when I wake up, it's very clear it's in my head... It's really weird, when it happens because it's that sound that wakes you up.

The freakiest experience I've had so far with the astral (a few days back) is waking up and not realizing I was on the astral plane, at least that's where I think I was. I "woke up" on the sofa I usually sleep on, when I visit my parents. I was so confused on how I got there, because I didn't go to sleep at their house, and then I proceeded on debating if I was going crazy and I'm just starting to forget things.
Then I "tiptoed" out of the room (door was open) and suddenly realized that hey, I'm out of my body, how is it possible that I just wake up on the astral plane like this, all confused, is that even possible? Has anyone else had an experience like that? Maybe it wasn't the astral, all I know is that I was out of my body and confused on what was going on.

Shortly after that I did actually wake up in the right place and my initial reaction was making sure it was my body I was in, no idea where that reaction even came from, and spent the morning wondering what the heck happened there.

Sleep paralysis I'm OK with, "exploding heads" are alright, lol, I mean... It's not bad, but out of body and realizing it... That was wild for me as I'm a newbie with it :)

[RedeZra]

and i know these creatures have the tendency to disappear before the Name of Jesus

if you know your Bible then you know Jesus cast out demons




Do you really have to include Jesus in every post? Is this your mission to evangelize, and convert us or something? Many of us have found a higher meaning in life then the shallow Jesus -Christian materialistic faith brings!lay off and respect us!

What a load of rotten rubbish! You've been watching too many reruns of the Exorcist!

I'd like to see your Jesus do something real then chasing away then Boggy man. Why don't he start curing cancer on all his believers..??? Why don't we see him raise from the dead that little 5 year old girl that was in a car crash? NOPE no proof..and he never has!

What does tend to work is positive thinking, and faith in the cosmos. These two things have helped people get better. Not your plagiarized god Jesus


Jesus no i don't try to include Jesus in every post it's just thet Jesus comes natural to mind as a solution to problems that only Jesus can fix and yes Jesus still heals and every minute a Jesus miracle happens because Jesus is God

[WhiteFeather]

Praise The Lord which is The Great Spirit, First Source and Divine Light. The order I listed may vary at times.

[RedeZra]

Praise The Lord which is The Great Spirit, First Source and Divine Light. The order I listed may vary at times.

God is the Great spirit and the Source of spirits and we are spirits


question is can God come to earth as a Man or is that impossible for the Great spirit

[Carmody]

sleep paralysis is the beginnings of astral projection, nothing more.

It is the act of the mind being conscious, while the body is sleeping. Nothing more.

In those moments the dimensional spaces may open up.... and the mind, the conscious part of the mind may be able to see beyond the veil...without the hind-brain interrupting or filtering. which is a good thing. It cannot filter when it is resting as it is the mechanical control of the body, and it is at rest.

I have this happen naturally at least once a day, most times. I realize that I'm awake in my skull, but my body is shut off. 'Way cool!', I tells myself, in those moments....As it is a good thing. Not bad ---at all.

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Going back to the start of this thread, and actually reading, I'd say that this is not 'sleep paralysis', it is something else altogether.

I've been a rider in people before, but one does not take over a person's body.

But it can be done. However, there is no evidence that it is some other person/being.

I'm wondering if you live on a ley line or hot spot.

'Growing up psychic (http://www.llewellyn.com/product.php?ean=9780738719610)', speaks of several incidences and of particular situations, where unwarranted bodily spiritual interaction may take place. When weak, drunken, or under duress, excited, etc.

For anyone who is psychic, the book is pee yourself funny. It gives you a book you always wished existed, one of 'misadventures' along the road of life, but a psychic road.

For the rest of the folks who might read it, who do not understand the experiences... take it as it is. Seriously.

Here is some more. Understand it was suddenly tricky to get back into this thread to contribute in this way:

read this, as you are approximately... 4-7 miles from the same ley line for:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?32203-Mass-genocide-of-Mohawk-children-by-UK-Queen-and-Vatican-uncovered-in-Canada&p=335834&highlight=soul+harvester#post335834

Also this ley line:

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?5402-Soul-harvester&highlight=soul+harvester

The one running through the finger lakes area, in NY state. Wynderer speaks on the difficulties of dealing with that particular ley line, in the above thread. Also, it passes through the Great Salt lake.

The associations are: the blue ghost tunnel, the war of 1812 in the Niagara peninsula, and the stories concerning the great salt lake and connected mormon(ish) 'issues' - in the darker areas of spirituality,and last but not least..the Catholic Mohawk Orphanage buried children (ritual satanic sacrifice?) scandal that is now emerging in the news. All on that ley line.

You are near a point where two lines meet. The other line goes to.... Northern Scotland.

Both lines are of the 'isosahedral Great Circle Set', the yin and yang lines. (from the 'Becker-Hagens vortex line google earth 'kmz' file overlay-using Google earth to find this information)

They appear to be quite valid lines, energy wise. From the reports of activities, that is.

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Do not automatically assume that the energy of the given ley line is separate from you, regarding manifestation. We can also create and integrate with these energies. It is like a dimensional harmonic resonant motor. we can use it, become it, reject it, ride it, know it or simply recognize the energies and stay away from them.

A matter of choice.

We can harmonically integrate with the energies and thus manifest them in our lives, or not. In the same way we can integrate with a person in conversation, we can integrate with these energies. Knowing the energies exist as a locational issue for your 'area' on the surface of the globe...and knowing that they have a distinct polarity or direction - is a good first step. Knowledge of the issue itself, becomes key to getting to a workable solution.

[Carmody]

from a semi-private conversation:


Thanks for answering about your "rider" terminology. Tell me what you think though about just stopping in to view anothers experience. How can this be allowed without that souls permission. I would not think this is possible except in the case if it is another incarnated version of ourselves. Is that what you mean by rider? Or do think any soul can view another souls experience and maybe switch places for a short time.

perhaps someone HAS given permission, in some way. or failed to erect a barrier.

I tend to avoid looking at people's avatar images, if I'm interested. next thing you know I'm knocking on their dimensional door, in the 'dreamworld', or remote viewing them, or remote viewing them in the FUTURE, which I have done with the odd person whom i integrate with. If I integrate with them, I can then see in their future to some degree, as theirs is then intertwined with mine. I can even see the world through their eyes, at times. no biggie. I feel we are all capable of similar things, to one degree or another.

Awareness of the reality of these things thus becomes the critical point.

Note the lack of fear I project/communicate within these subjects. NO demons, NO entities, NO projections of fears..... in order to shape those fears into some some sort of golem or tulpa. Stay away from that.

Close the door of your being (regarding privacy and ownership) .... so no one can step into you ---claim your own internal capabilities and energetics.

You have to roll it around in your mind until any vestigial fears go away, as after all, it IS a completely new area of understanding. which is why it is important to NOT make real anything like projections of 'entities' and such. YOU ARE A CREATOR of forms, FROM energies. OK? All of you.

So ....don't do anything based in animal fears.

It really is that simple.

Be aware.

Get your head clear ---and understand what it is you are dealing with.

If something seems to be attacking you, it could be your own shadow or it could be something else. But...if you step into your own power or energies, then this..as an issue dissipates., but don't do it with fear, or anger, or ego..etc. For if the shadow as energy, is real... then..what does that mean for an aware person? Does it mean their own access and capacity, in some manner or level? The answer is --yes.

[STATIC]

I'm wondering if you live on a ley line or hot spot.

Well I talked to someone who had much more knowledge on this info and he said that there are 2 major vortexes on the eastern side of lake michigan. I live inside or very close to one of them.
Here is a pic of lay lines in the eastern U.S. The one where the red and the green line intersect on the west side of michigan pretty much marks the spot where I live.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I only have one comparable incident.

I woke up in my bed with a feeling of being held down not as by hands or by a weight, but a general feeling of pressure. There was a sound like a chirping or a ringing of bells, though a constant, modulating frequency rather than an intermittent sounded. It almost whirred. Next to my bed was a small 'grey' alien, but I could only 'half' see it. I do not know why I couldn't fully see it, but it was a combination of a sense of presence and a general impression. I believe I must have been awake in some form before my consciousness 'became available to me' and I realised what was happening. I was already lashing out at this thing by my bed and my anger and fury were immense. I kept lashing out with my arm, which wasn't moving as I was completely immobile. Nonetheless, the being moved backwards every time I lashed out with my non-existent arm. It felt as though I were lashing out with my mind and it was responding to the thought.

I thought to myself that I was reacting with a fury and I had no idea why, and that if I were to be angry, I should at least know why. I immediately calmed down and thought to the being "do not be intimidated; I am not". When I said that, the thing disappeared and I regained full control of my body, which seemed to 'explode' violently with the force of pent-up motion suddenly released.

Needless to say, I turned over and went back to bed ;-)

[Seikou-Kishi]

and i know these creatures have the tendency to disappear before the Name of Jesus

if you know your Bible then you know Jesus cast out demons
What a load of rotten rubbish! You've been watching too many reruns of the Exorcist!
Demons, fairies, spirits ghost come from other dimensions. if they somehow get to this world..they tend to be just as fearful of humans as we would be of them..thus creaming Mickey Mouse or the Cookie Monster would have the same effect on them as would be saying the name Jesus.
I'd like to see your Jesus do something real then chasing away then Boggy man. Why don't he start curing cancer on all his believers..??? Why don't we see him raise from the dead that little 5 year old girl that was in a car crash? NOPE no proof..and he never has!
What does tend to work is positive thinking, and faith in the cosmos. These two things have helped people get better. Not your plagiarized god Jesus

Did you know if you read the bible backwards, Jesus actually summons demons into the bodies of otherwise happy people? Lol

[RedeZra]

I was already lashing out at this thing by my bed and my anger and fury were immense. I kept lashing out with my arm, which wasn't moving as I was completely immobile. Nonetheless, the being moved backwards every time I lashed out with my non-existent arm. It felt as though I were lashing out with my mind and it was responding to the thought.


i think you were lashing out with your astral arm against an ethereal enity who would feel those astral punches if you hit his astral body

[Seikou-Kishi]

I was already lashing out at this thing by my bed and my anger and fury were immense. I kept lashing out with my arm, which wasn't moving as I was completely immobile. Nonetheless, the being moved backwards every time I lashed out with my non-existent arm. It felt as though I were lashing out with my mind and it was responding to the thought.


i think you were lashing out with your astral arm against an ethereal enity who would feel those astral punches if you hit his astral body

I think you're right :-)

[normam2]

I only have one comparable incident.

I woke up in my bed with a feeling of being held down not as by hands or by a weight, but a general feeling of pressure. There was a sound like a chirping or a ringing of bells, though a constant, modulating frequency rather than an intermittent sounded. It almost whirred. Next to my bed was a small 'grey' alien, but I could only 'half' see it. I do not know why I couldn't fully see it, but it was a combination of a sense of presence and a general impression. I believe I must have been awake in some form before my consciousness 'became available to me' and I realised what was happening. I was already lashing out at this thing by my bed and my anger and fury were immense. I kept lashing out with my arm, which wasn't moving as I was completely immobile. Nonetheless, the being moved backwards every time I lashed out with my non-existent arm. It felt as though I were lashing out with my mind and it was responding to the thought.

I thought to myself that I was reacting with a fury and I had no idea why, and that if I were to be angry, I should at least know why. I immediately calmed down and thought to the being "do not be intimidated; I am not". When I said that, the thing disappeared and I regained full control of my body, which seemed to 'explode' violently with the force of pent-up motion suddenly released.

Needless to say, I turned over and went back to bed ;-)

Seikou-Kishi

I just had a very similar experience just today . I decided to take an hour nap after taking my last college final ..woohoo... When out of nowhere I open my eyes and see my roommate sleeping on her bed which is next to mine. So I thought "oh I guess I'm awake " only to be paralyzed when I decided to move. I didnt feel a pressure on my chest of someone holding me down .
It felt like AN ENERGY FIELD WAS SURROUNDING ME thus preventing me from moving out of my sleeping position. Envy time I would try to move my hand It felt like the force of gravity had just multiplied by a million . It took all of my concentration just to try to move my arm .
After what felt like minutes I started to. Feel a presence behind me , it wasn't bad but it also wasn't good . I could "hear" it moving behind me . I was trying to move my neck to see who it was but obviously I couldn't .

At this point I was beginning to panic , and started to called my roommate name. But all I could manage was a muffle if that . It always felt like mi lips were stuck together I th glue!!! All I could do was panic , I didn't know if I was awake or asleep . I tried to wake up but I couldn't. I was l literally terrified not because of the entity but o f not knowing what the hell was happening , what reality was I living in!?

Then suddenly ,after I became tired from struggling to move . My dream body moved and I regained movement in my dream. Almost , instantly I knew the presence was in the living room and without fear I got up to open the door and see who it was.
There with the door open I saw for the first time a grey. His eyes were black , his face bigger Than his body and hire and what looked like dress clothes ( they might not be but this is how I remember it know) .
Then ...pooof...he disappeared and I woke up panting . Scared out of my mind.

My roommate later said that " she read mumbleling noises and it sounded like I was having a nightmare because I was making distress sounds".

As of now I don't know how I feel about this. I will return to post more if it happens again.

[daddy fishwick]

Hi all, I have had similar experiences since I was about 11 years old, almost exactly what you initially described. Other times I have literally been screaming inside with pure terror/fear and unable to move. I have seen green figures walk through my room and slip through a slightly opened door and also once I experienced Jesus Christ telling me that I was Blaspheming him whilst he floated over my bed (no ****!!) One of the worst sleep paralysis experiences I had was waking and feeling as if my soul had shrunk in to my body and was stuck in there (very hard to describe) It was very scary. Partners who have experienced what has happened when I woke them have said that I am trying to shout or scream but i appear as if I have cerebral palsy(hope you all understand that description)
It rarely happens to me anymore in fact it's been two years since the last time.
I have never experienced such pure fear in my waking life as the fear experienced during this state of paralysis and every time it's happened i've had some kind of experience like seeing a ghost or demon or(as i said) deitous form.
It is very strange indeed, I think most of the fear comes from not being able to feel or move your own body.
Anyway, heres hoping it doesn't happen again anytime soon,

Much Love to all of you, Daddy

[spiritwind]

I have a couple of experiences to share that fit right in here. When I was 19 I lived next door to a good friend of mine that I'm still good friends with over 30 years later. I woke up one morning and, although I could see the room as if my eyes were open and I felt wide awake, I could not move a muscle in my body, move a finger or toe, or even open my eyelids. This was not an unusual experience, especially in my younger years (I would usually lie there trying to will myself awake by trying to move my toes, which sometimes worked and other times I would just fall back asleep frustrated). On this occasion though, as I was trying to will myself awake, I suddenly saw my friend from next door standing at my bedside and me, frantically trying to wake up so I could talk to him. After what seemed an eternity he just went away and I fell back asleep. When I saw him later that day he didn't have anything remarkable to say other than he had been asleep at the same time, so I figure he came over to visit in his astral body. Another time a couple years later I woke up again not being able to move and I could hear the telephone ringing. Again I frantically tried to wake up because I was just sure it was for me. This time I actually found myself looking at my body from above but still could not wake myself up. After a short time I gave up, went back in my body and fell asleep only to find out a while later when I woke up again that the phone had been ringing but it wasn't for me. I would guess these types of experiences are fairly common. I was lucky that even though I had grown up in a very hard core fundamentalist Christian home I had always been interested in what they would have considered forbidden knowledge. The unkown excited me rather than scared me.

On another note though, having studied and experimented with many types of alternate perceptual states, I had a couple of totally different experiences in more recent years (actually I have had a lot of strange experiences but these are all I willing to talk about on an oh so public forum). My husband and I had been together less than a year in early 2001 and I woke up to him getting up abruptly and turning the bedroom light on. He said he felt something in the room and when he turned the light on you could see what looked like kind of a dark, shadowy, almost scarf-like moving image in the far upper corner of the room. He literally swooshed it out the door, turned every light on in the house, opened the front door and commanded it to leave. He then got a sock and put some salt in it, after salting around the house, brought it back to bed and put it under his pillow. I guess his mother was Russian and her family had immigrated from Russia when she was a child and he inherited what to many would seem to be strange behaviors. His mother even did a type of energy healing with her hands although she never called it anything. On another occasion just a couple years ago I woke in a dream state and saw a presence in another room and didn't feel any fear at first. I was just observing and it was just moving around the room. Then all of a sudden it noticed me and I had an absolutely ominous feeling arise in me as it came towards me (it felt like the feeling I've had with those large brown spiders that you sometimes find in the bathtub that are very aggressive and will actually run towards you really fast like they're in attack mode). I was screaming in my sleep trying to shout a few protective affirmations I knew and was frantically reaching for the light (the lamp next to the bed) and all of a sudden my husband woke me up. He said he saw me moving and moaning in my sleep. It was almost on top of me and I felt like I couldn't breathe and then my husband woke me up just in time. I was terrified for some reason and felt shook up for quite some time after-wards. I have a healthy respect for my intuition. I think if you take away your preconceived ideas and programmed belief systems your body will tell you true on whether something is there to cause you harm or otherwise. I found the fact that your dog shared your experience to be very interesting. Both cats and dogs will often sense things and act strangely, but your dog was paralyzed too.

[sdv]

Here's a scientific explanation of the 'sensed presence', which I found quite reassuring http://www.shaktitechnology.com/sp.htm
I often used to have sleep paralysis along with a feeling of a dark, hot malevolent being behind me - really scary. Now I often get the feeling of someone behind me in the shower.

[Timreh]

I have had many episodes of awakening and being paralyzed over the years, they get easier with practice..
The worst happened somewhere around the age of 30..

I was driving several hundred kms during the night and decided to find somewhere to pull over and sleep in the car.
At the time I thought I would be safe at the back of a police station in a car park.
Feeling a little uneasy I finally managed to drift off to sleep..

I awoke the next morning to find I was unable to move and I knew I was not alone, there was a presence around or outside the car
Terrified and unable to do anything I just lay there reclined in the drivers seat
There was not a single part of my body that i could move and my eyes were glued shut

Eventually I was able to peel my eyes open and begin moving my mouth..
Parts of my body slowly started returning like my fingertips, toes etc..

I don't know if it was for 5 minutes or 20 minutes but it was not fun..
Looking back I think the back of that police station had a few nasties about!

You cannot fight it, just accept, relax and try let go of the fear is my advice

[Atlas]

I would feel a weight on my chest or couldn't breath very well which was terrifying


It felt like something was sitting on my chest and I couldn't move, scream or even open my eyes. (source (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=15933))


it felt like something was sitting on my chest for about 2 minutes or so my heart was racing incredibly too.


there was a blue/transparent light being/entity sat on my chest which was vaguely similar to the monster from the 50's sci-fi film 'Lost in Space'.


had some awful awakenings to something nasty and heavy sitting on my chest.


it was quicker than me and pinned me down so hard I couldn't breath, as though it was sitting on my chest


I can tell you about the same chest pressure and, yes, the same 'demon' that your friend saw.


a presence would be pushing on neck and head in a way that would feel like they were trying to break my neck.


the only time I felt a presence is when its "hands" were around my neck, that was about 1.5 years ago, in addition while these "hands" were around my neck I could here sinister laughing going on.


the 'Old Hag Syndrome' where many people see an old woman sitting on the edge of their bed on their feet or sometimes as an unbearable weight on their chest making it hard to breathe. She may be an old hag and you may think scrawny but honey, nuh-uh, this old gal weighs a ton, you can try to squirm, you can try to push and scream but she ain't goin' nowhere. (source (http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=630))

See The Entity (2001 documentary film is produced by Jago Lee and directed by Mark Soldinger):
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[Amysenthia]

I can appreciate all of the experiences reported here. Listening to them brings back the horror felt when these episodes happened to me.

Please allow me to share with everyone how I managed to get them to stop!

The way my experience went is that I would feel a sinister presence, (not male or female), that would be hovering over my upper body. I never saw a being, black shadow, etc. I just felt the pressure bearing down on my head/neck area to a point that I thought that my neck would snap. I would wake up feeling completely drained.

I never remember as a child/teenager having a good nights rest. So I dreaded the night each time I laid in my bed. As a student in school I was sent to the Principals office on many occasions to speak with the school counselor about why I was always sleeping in class. Of course I could never tell them about my nightly issues. I would just say I didn't know Why I was always so tired. Since I was an A student without really having to try hard I would tell them that I was bored.

I managed to stop these, what I call, Energy drain sessions when I had one week of a particularly difficult stretch of "episodes" of the strangling sessions. I had just had another of many arguments with my Stepmother, I was about 13 at the time. ( My biological mother died when I was 10 years old). I went to bed just emotionally/physically drained in every way. Tired and mad at the world. On this night when "IT" came I felt the neck pressing start and when it got to the point that I thought my neck was going to break instead of the usual horror, fear response that I would normally have had I just didn't care. I could almost feel the taunting as it let up and then pushed a little harder. At this point I could feel that this was really going to be it this time. Still I just did not care and I even remember that I thought. "Go ahead, do it, I just don't care anymore". At this time I heard, and this was the only time I ever heard this thing in any way, let out a "SHREAK". It was a high pitched sound like an animal touching something really "hot". I then felt it come back and start to attempt to push down on my head/neck again and again I sent out the I don't care feeling. It then abruptly left.

About one week later it came back. As I started feeling the pressure I remembered the last episode and forced myself not to "Fear what was happening". I could feel its anger at not being able to what I call "feed". After this it left and never came back.

This has led me to believe that whatever this thing is it is coming to feed on our fear. Don't fear and it will leave you alone. I know this may sound easier said then done. Just try it and see if you are a person that this is happening to.