Carnivora - Has anyone heard of or tried this?

[lorien]

Came across a product called Carnivora the other day and I was wondering if anyone has head of or tried this stuff. Look forward to hearing from someone.

http://www.carnivora.com/about-carnivora.html


Here's what their website says about it:

"Carnivora is the 100 percent absolutely PURE PHYTONUTRIENT EXTRACT and CAPSULE of Dionaea Muscipula, the particular species of the venus flytrap plant. Development of this extract began in Germany in the late 1970's by German physician Dr. Helmut Keller.

This specific German technology employs a method of manufacturing that yields the 100 percent pure capsule product and pure liquid extract. Our 100% PURE Liquid Extract product is not even diluted with water. It is entirely free of alcohol, glycerin, propylene glycol and all other toxic excipients and fillers.

Nothing is added. Nothing is deleted.

Our Capsule product is also 100% PURE - not even diluted with water. It contains silica and cellulose powder - non-toxic to humans and animals.

There is NO other.

We are the SOLE manufacturer of Carnivora around the world.

The 17 multi-faceted immune-supporting compounds as described in international medical literature occur naturally in the plant:


Droserone
Free radical scavenger

Hydroplumbagin
Immune Modulation / Stimulation

Quercetin
Anti-oxidant, free radical scavenger, protectant

Formic Acid
Natural bactericidal

Myricetin
Bioflavonoid. Identical properties as Quercetin

Gallic Acid
Antioxidant, Immune stimulative

Arginine
Supports NK function. Improves immune responses to foreign entities, crucial for tissue repair

Asparagine
Explusion of harmful ammonia, increased resistance to fatigue and increase of endurance

Threonine
Aids in function of intestinal / digestive tracts. Assists in metabolism and assimilation of nutrients; Prevention of fat build-up in the liver

Glutamine
Helps maintain white blood cell population and T-cell production, supports intestinal health. Nature's brain food to improve mental capacities, decrease fatigue, controls craving for sugar

Alanine
Strengthens immune system by producing antibodies, important source of energy for muscle tissue, brain and central nervous system

Cysteine
Facilitates the production of glutathione, which enable white blood cells (lymphocytes such as T cells, B cells and NK cells) to reproduce to make antibodies to destroy foreign substances in the body

Serine
Component of production of immune antibodies. Antibodies bind with antigens which are toxins, etc. destroying them and removing them from the body

Histidine
Found abundantly in hemoglobin. This amino acid is used as a potent free-radical scavenger to normalize systemic functions in the body

Proteases
Known for their ability to enhance immunity, proteases are considered an important line of defense and intestinal toxicity are among the most common symptoms of protease deficiency

Lipopolysaccharides
Contribute to stimulation of the immune system. Contains properties that are highly potent against harmful cellular entities

Phytohormones
Plant-derived building blocks that your body can use to rapidly create any hormone that your body needs. These substances, also called phytosterols, are vital to a healthy balanced endocrine or hormonal system.


The major problem for people in westernized cultures is that we do not get enough of these essential nutrients from our current food intake and it is becoming more difficult, not to mention all the factors that interfere with this process"

[conk]

I have some at home. Used it for months, but it did not help. Still, many paid newsletters I get support it and recommend it for variety of ailments. Don't use me as a gauge. I've tried everything but cat spit and still suffer from blah blah blah.

I continue to take it, as I may well be dead without it. Who knows.

[Unified Serenity]

I'd rather eat a steak.

[grapevine]

I have some at home. Used it for months, but it did not help. Still, many paid newsletters I get support it and recommend it for variety of ailments. Don't use me as a gauge. I've tried everything but cat spit and still suffer from blah blah blah.

I continue to take it, as I may well be dead without it. Who knows.

Did it have any effect at all Conk?

[conk]

I have some at home. Used it for months, but it did not help. Still, many paid newsletters I get support it and recommend it for variety of ailments. Don't use me as a gauge. I've tried everything but cat spit and still suffer from blah blah blah.

I continue to take it, as I may well be dead without it. Who knows.

Did it have any effect at all Conk?So hard to tell w1ndmill. I use so many methods in an effort to heal, that I can't attribute any success to a single agent. I've used scores of approaches and still remain the sickest healthy man alive. No test, no doctor has revealed what ails me, but I continue to suffer daily. Fatigue, pain, nausea, headache, just generally feel like dying most all the time. So, don't use me as a determining factor in consideration of Carnivora useage. Sigh...........

[lorien]

I'd rather eat a steak.

Thanks for your contribution to the conversation. I too love a good steak, but doesn't really help.

[lorien]

Sorry to hear things aren't well for you Conk. I personally don't trust conventional doctors as far as I can throw them. 90% of the time they are guessing, all the while getting you to pay them and hand over money to the pharmacy for prescriptions. How long have you been having these issues? What happens if you stop all your various "remedies"?

[chancy]

Did it have any effect at all Conk?[/QUOTE]So hard to tell w1ndmill. I use so many methods in an effort to heal, that I can't attribute any success to a single agent. I've used scores of approaches and still remain the sickest healthy man alive. No test, no doctor has revealed what ails me, but I continue to suffer daily. Fatigue, pain, nausea, headache, just generally feel like dying most all the time. So, don't use me as a determining factor in consideration of Carnivora useage. Sigh...........[/QUOTE]

Hello Conk: I know you have tried everything but the symtoms sounds like a case of extended high blood sugars known as diabetes. Some people don't get the normal symtoms of high water consumption and of course many trips to the bathroom.
I know when I was diagnosed my so called Dr. basically kicked me out of his office when I told him I think I have diabetes. I had all the symtoms you mentioned. After lots of almost begging to check me out he came back into the room white as a ghost and said you have type 1 diabetes. Sometimes or should I say most of the time the dr's. think they can't be wrong. Can't hurt to check...........
chancy

[conk]

Sorry to hear things aren't well for you Conk. I personally don't trust conventional doctors as far as I can throw them. 90% of the time they are guessing, all the while getting you to pay them and hand over money to the pharmacy for prescriptions. How long have you been having these issues? What happens if you stop all your various "remedies"?
I don't see them as remedies, rather life style choices. I make the best choices in anticipation of good health. I eat properly, perfectly in accordance with nature and physiological need. I meditate, get full sun, use strong magnets, Qigong, far infrared, detox footbath, chelating agents, superfoods, liver flushes, AIM frequencies, reflexology, hypnosis, Delores Cannon past life regression, ionic silver, subconscious mind reprogramming, and on and on. My next process is to stop trying. STop being so attached to healing and to turn it all over to God/Source/Universe. Focus on being balanced mentally and congruent with the natural order. I will visualize God's healing hand and accept whatever my fate is....but with the full intention of being well. Just not so attached to it.

@chancey: Thanks. I've been tested several times for diabetes, always good numbers. Thank you both for your concern.

Back to Carnivora. Everything I read about it is positive. I'd recommend it to anyone for certain.

[TargeT]

I'd rather eat a steak.

Deep freezer: 100$

Side of grass fed beef: 650$

Butchering: 80$

Nutrient dense meat for a year in your house when ever you want it: ... ok its not priceless, its 830$... but it lasts a little over a year with 2.5 people


I'm already a Carnivor (Omnivor really) don't need to buy somthen to help me be one :D (dietary supplements boarder on externalization of power.... sometimes i wonder if they only "work" for those that give enough of their own power to the external item to cure themselfs (aka placebo style) of course baring the RARE cases of nutritinal deficency (and they are rare... if your buying vitamens anyway, if your in africa you probably couldn't give a **** about vitamens)) I got lost with my parenthese's so here's anotehr to be safe)

[Arrowwind]

Well venus fly trap is most known for cancer treatment isn't it?

Conk I know you have tried many things... including MMS1 and MMS2?
I have found that the most single important healing modality for me is classical homeopathy.
It literally changed my life.

I am experimenting with my homemade version of protandim right now.
We are entering week two, my husband and I and what I notice is that we
are not falling asleep at night at 9:00 pm. Our energy levels have greatly increased.
My husband just couldn't last though an evening movie...
more here: http://www.healthsalon.org/504/protandim-turn-back-the-aging-clock/

[lorien]

I'd rather eat a steak.

Deep freezer: 100$

Side of grass fed beef: 650$

Butchering: 80$

Nutrient dense meat for a year in your house when ever you want it: ... ok its not priceless, its 830$... but it lasts a little over a year with 2.5 people


I'm already a Carnivor (Omnivor really) don't need to buy somthen to help me be one :D (dietary supplements boarder on externalization of power.... sometimes i wonder if they only "work" for those that give enough of their own power to the external item to cure themselfs (aka placebo style) of course baring the RARE cases of nutritinal deficency (and they are rare... if your buying vitamens anyway, if your in africa you probably couldn't give a **** about vitamens)) I got lost with my parenthese's so here's anotehr to be safe)

Carnivora has nothing to do with being a carnivore. Please at least read what is posted before responding. It is a supplement derived from a certain species of venus flytrap that claims to boost immune function and unlock the true potential of our white blood cells to attack and destroy impurities in the body.

[blufire]

This my friend is Bull S* * *T

Except for the very last sentence, but in no way related to this product.




Came across a product called Carnivora the other day and I was wondering if anyone has head of or tried this stuff. Look forward to hearing from someone.

http://www.carnivora.com/about-carnivora.html


Here's what their website says about it:

"Carnivora is the 100 percent absolutely PURE PHYTONUTRIENT EXTRACT and CAPSULE of Dionaea Muscipula, the particular species of the venus flytrap plant. Development of this extract began in Germany in the late 1970's by German physician Dr. Helmut Keller.

This specific German technology employs a method of manufacturing that yields the 100 percent pure capsule product and pure liquid extract. Our 100% PURE Liquid Extract product is not even diluted with water. It is entirely free of alcohol, glycerin, propylene glycol and all other toxic excipients and fillers.

Nothing is added. Nothing is deleted.

Our Capsule product is also 100% PURE - not even diluted with water. It contains silica and cellulose powder - non-toxic to humans and animals.

There is NO other.

We are the SOLE manufacturer of Carnivora around the world.

The 17 multi-faceted immune-supporting compounds as described in international medical literature occur naturally in the plant:


Droserone
Free radical scavenger

Hydroplumbagin
Immune Modulation / Stimulation

Quercetin
Anti-oxidant, free radical scavenger, protectant

Formic Acid
Natural bactericidal

Myricetin
Bioflavonoid. Identical properties as Quercetin

Gallic Acid
Antioxidant, Immune stimulative

Arginine
Supports NK function. Improves immune responses to foreign entities, crucial for tissue repair

Asparagine
Explusion of harmful ammonia, increased resistance to fatigue and increase of endurance

Threonine
Aids in function of intestinal / digestive tracts. Assists in metabolism and assimilation of nutrients; Prevention of fat build-up in the liver

Glutamine
Helps maintain white blood cell population and T-cell production, supports intestinal health. Nature's brain food to improve mental capacities, decrease fatigue, controls craving for sugar

Alanine
Strengthens immune system by producing antibodies, important source of energy for muscle tissue, brain and central nervous system

Cysteine
Facilitates the production of glutathione, which enable white blood cells (lymphocytes such as T cells, B cells and NK cells) to reproduce to make antibodies to destroy foreign substances in the body

Serine
Component of production of immune antibodies. Antibodies bind with antigens which are toxins, etc. destroying them and removing them from the body

Histidine
Found abundantly in hemoglobin. This amino acid is used as a potent free-radical scavenger to normalize systemic functions in the body

Proteases
Known for their ability to enhance immunity, proteases are considered an important line of defense and intestinal toxicity are among the most common symptoms of protease deficiency

Lipopolysaccharides
Contribute to stimulation of the immune system. Contains properties that are highly potent against harmful cellular entities

Phytohormones
Plant-derived building blocks that your body can use to rapidly create any hormone that your body needs. These substances, also called phytosterols, are vital to a healthy balanced endocrine or hormonal system.


The major problem for people in westernized cultures is that we do not get enough of these essential nutrients from our current food intake and it is becoming more difficult, not to mention all the factors that interfere with this process"

[lorien]

Do you know that for a fact blufire? Have you tried the product? Do you know someone who has?

If your going to call bull***t on something at least back it up with why please.

[conk]

Blufire, some of the most sucessful alternative doctors in the country endorse Carnivora. What is your opinion based upon? Theirs is based in serious data

[Arrowwind]

http://www.awarenessmag.com/sepoct0/SO0_VENUS_FLYTRAP.HTM
In Germany, a pharmaceutical extract of Venus’ Flytrap called Carnivora is used in the treatment of chronic diseases, including most forms of cancer, ulcerative colitis, multiple sclerosis, all types of herpes infections, chronic arthritis, and almost any immune deficiency state, including AIDS. Carnivora is dispensed orally, by inhalation, or by injection. However, individuals cannot legally import Carnivora to the U.S. without first proving that they suffer from a life-threatening disease. Fortunately, fresh Venus’ Flytrap extract can be both purchased and used legally in the United States, though few people are aware of its uses.

[lorien]

Thanks for the link Arrowwind!

[blufire]

Lorien, I apologize for being so abrupt with my post . . . but this sort of thing really frustrates me.

I’m a practicing medicinal herbalist and have owned and operated a natural health /herbal/healing shop and organically grow and wildcraft many herbs.

To make sure I went through six of my most reliable “plant medicine and application” books. Regarding Dionaea Muscipula or Venus Fly Trap there is little to no healing properties or at least strong historical research of the plant to verify the veracity that this product claims.

The compounds that the product claims to have in therapeutic doses are highly valuable healing agents and have been solidly researched.

Every year the newest, latest and greatest product comes out . . . people spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to no avail. This same company or manufacture is probably on to the next “snake oil” product for later on this year.

I stick with foundational plant medicines that are tried and true . . . yea they are boring and have no fancy labels and price tags . . . but they work

Do you have a certain problem you are hoping to find healing for?? I usually do not offer this but I will direct you to some herbs that will help or even tried and true manufactured products that I trust.



Do you know that for a fact blufire? Have you tried the product? Do you know someone who has?

If your going to call bull***t on something at least back it up with why please.

[lorien]

blufire, thank you for giving a little background to your frustration. I don't have a particular problem to solve, I'm just looking for a more aggressive boost to my immune system because I've been getting a lot of colds and flu's lately.

While I can see where you are coming from, I think your hostility towards the company and it's product is unfounded, at least for the time being.

Seeing as this company has been producing Carnivora for 30 years I doubt they are producing a "snake oil". THey seem to have years of scientific research to back it up and endorsements from many doctors, so unless they are all lying there has to be at least some truth to it. If the product does in fact contain the compounds that you admit are useful, then I don't see why it would not be helpful.

AAs far as why it doesn't exist in one of your books, I'm not sure, though that doesn't mean it's not valid. Perhaps this is one of the many things hidden from us for a reason?




Lorien, I apologize for being so abrupt with my post . . . but this sort of thing really frustrates me.

I’m a practicing medicinal herbalist and have owned and operated a natural health /herbal/healing shop and organically grow and wildcraft many herbs.

To make sure I went through six of my most reliable “plant medicine and application” books. Regarding Dionaea Muscipula or Venus Fly Trap there is little to no healing properties or at least strong historical research of the plant to verify the veracity that this product claims.

The compounds that the product claims to have in therapeutic doses are highly valuable healing agents and have been solidly researched.

Every year the newest, latest and greatest product comes out . . . people spend hundreds and thousands of dollars to no avail. This same company or manufacture is probably on to the next “snake oil” product for later on this year.

I stick with foundational plant medicines that are tried and true . . . yea they are boring and have no fancy labels and price tags . . . but they work

Do you have a certain problem you are hoping to find healing for?? I usually do not offer this but I will direct you to some herbs that will help or even tried and true manufactured products that I trust.



Do you know that for a fact blufire? Have you tried the product? Do you know someone who has?

If your going to call bull***t on something at least back it up with why please.

[Arrowwind]

Loern, boosting the immune system towards health is not that hard to do and I would not use an herb like venusfly trap for this.
an assessement of your malfunctions will indicate what direction needs to be looked at.
Generally, minerals and vitamins and living foods will do what is needed.
I prefer to save herbs for actual diseases but studies indicate that some very common herbs will fortify the body
and are long used for longevity in other nations.
Go back a few an look at my post regarding protandim,, this is an herbal choice I make for myself
but my improved immune status has come from sound detox, good diet and supplementaiton with some essential vitamins and minerals as a protective shield to environmental dangers. I have not had a cold or flu or anything in 6 years. I chose the protandim mix recently to promote longevity and support as aging comes upon me.

[Arrowwind]

I'd rather eat a steak.

Deep freezer: 100$

Side of grass fed beef: 650$

Butchering: 80$

Nutrient dense meat for a year in your house when ever you want it: ... ok its not priceless, its 830$... but it lasts a little over a year with 2.5 people

)

I have the same grassfed beef in my freezer but still the diet should be at bare minimum, 50 percent raw.
75% is best but I dont manage that where I live, way back in the near wilderness with lousy access to raw food in the winder when the garden is resting in the winter.

[blufire]

Lorien, I support Arrowwind in what she says about supporting and boosting the immune system. There are far more reliable and researched herbals for the immune and specifically antivirals than using Venus fly trap.

Regarding the comment about the books I use . . . iI would put the wisdom in my books up against information from the internet any time and hands down. ;)

I’m also a big proponent of using natural medicines from the area you live in. Venus Fly Trap grows obviously in very tropical areas of our world.

From your profile you live in Oregon . . . .there are a plethora of herbalists and herb farms in your area. Let alone the highly valuable herbs that grow naturally and can be harvested from the wild.

Learn to make your own medicine.

The best medicine you can take is the medicine you make

[conk]

I'd rather eat a steak.

Deep freezer: 100$

Side of grass fed beef: 650$

Butchering: 80$

Nutrient dense meat for a year in your house when ever you want it: ... ok its not priceless, its 830$... but it lasts a little over a year with 2.5 people

)

I have the same grassfed beef in my freezer but still the diet should be at bare minimum, 50 percent raw.
75% is best but I dont manage that where I live, way back in the near wilderness with lousy access to raw food in the winder when the garden is resting in the winter.
100% will cure disease. Very hard to do, however. Cooked food is deficient in enzymes and creates compounds that hinder the immune system. At least supplement with enzymes and probiotics if eating mostly cooked food. A life of cooked foods will deplete the major organs, as they must give up their own enzymes for digestion. The pancreas is often the first to fail.

[Arrowwind]

I’m also a big proponent of using natural medicines from the area you live in. Venus Fly Trap grows obviously in very tropical areas of our world.

The best medicine you can take is the medicine you make

Well, blufire, if I had to count on what grew in my neck of the woods that I could harvest myself Id be in a sore situation.
Its a pretty rough desolate terrain here... we keep trying to figure out what to do with sagebrush... surely we could get rich if we could figure it out!;)

Oregon is so much more lush than here.

That being said I am working with pine and nettles, yarrow as well as rosehips and we have some wild horestail near my house but so many unanswered questions regarding that particular herb so I dont use it but think about it often...

We also have alfalfa and abundant lambs quarters which I use too.

So I look to herbs that come from foreign places.. The native americans here harvest an herb not to far away for diabetes, some kind of moss but I have not figured it out yet.

I invite you to go to this link and download the clinical studies for protandim as well as listen to the video for a general into as to where this stuff comes from from a research perspective. As I said I make my own mix that costs me about $13 a month per person. My next step is to determine what supplements I am currently taking that I might be able to eliminate now.

Clearly protandim is supplement that will stimulate your body to make what it needs... as you said

The best medicine you can take is the medicine you make

http://theantiagingfact.weebly.com/product_opt_in_eng9.html

Although I am taking these herbs in capsule form right now, my next plan of experimentation will come this spring when I make a batch into tincture. It should be more powerful that way.. but already I feel a signficant difference with just the capsules

[13th Warrior]

I've heard this advertised on Coast to Coast Am; in the advert Georgy mentions that President Reagen used this stuff...not a good endorsement if you ask me. Reagan had at least one heart attack and also suffered from Alzheimer's.

[Kristin]

I have some at home. Used it for months, but it did not help. Still, many paid newsletters I get support it and recommend it for variety of ailments. Don't use me as a gauge. I've tried everything but cat spit and still suffer from blah blah blah.

I continue to take it, as I may well be dead without it. Who knows.

Did it have any effect at all Conk?So hard to tell w1ndmill. I use so many methods in an effort to heal, that I can't attribute any success to a single agent. I've used scores of approaches and still remain the sickest healthy man alive. No test, no doctor has revealed what ails me, but I continue to suffer daily. Fatigue, pain, nausea, headache, just generally feel like dying most all the time. So, don't use me as a determining factor in consideration of Carnivora useage. Sigh...........

Conk, have you looked into Gilbert's Syndrome?
From the Heart,
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