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[efields]

One thing you can be sure of, Whatever you are hearing, its Spin. One must discern with their own heart. You will never get the Truth here... or there... Many agents on the Board here and everywhere. You hear sprinkles of facts with dis-info. All these Boards have been compromised by agents who pose as fellow seekers.We play right into there hands sheeple. These forums are the avenue to confusion. Nearly all of them are infiltrated. If they get popular they are Targets of these agents. Use original thinking, not much of that on Earth. Everyone follows either the Collective or the Counterculture. They are all manipulated to one degree or another. Trust no one, save yourself on all these topics. You can feel Your Truth..

Happy Holidays. Petty Tyrants run the world. Beware, and Be Safe. Do not be Led.......Your positions against the Collective are necessary to the Collectives Survival. We have been comprimised and guided by off-world intelligence to have a state of disarray and to further the ease of our handling. Puppets we are, It makes their intervention easier and some would even say necessary. We are asleep Big-time and its in their interest to maintain that position. They can come and go at will as we are in denial..We are asleep in the extreme. They control the disclosure and most other policy decisions. No one would believe this. Thats how adept they are.

Read 'Allies of Humanity', a FREE Book at Marshall Vian Summers site. See another perspective. Its Never what you are presented through 'proper' channels, of that you can be sure. There is no were to run. Simply Awaken. Become Aware.

namaste

[jjjones]

efields, very insightful thread. awareness is essentially important and needed as much as the air we breathe and the chemically treated water that we drink in the united corporation of america. the sheeple need to lift their heads up from grazing. what amazes me is how many well educated with phd's, m.d's and even crooks in d.c in congress, senate etc have no idea how deep alice in wonderlands rabbit hole goes. amazes and amuses me at the same time. keep awareness alive and waking up the people. namaste, love and peace universally :)

[mojo]

Wow... efields...ty
Although maybe we can get enough truth and that will have to do...otherwise what if everyone is quiet because it's all spin?

[Unified Serenity]

Read 'Allies of Humanity', a FREE Book at Marshall Vian Summers site. See another perspective. Its Never what you are presented through 'proper' channels, of that you can be sure. There is no were to run. Simply Awaken. Become Aware.

namaste

Damn, another book to read! Seriously though, thanks for the book suggestion, it looks interesting. Nice thread btw.

Serenity

[Mark]

One thing you can be sure of, Whatever you are hearing, its Spin. One must discern with their own heart.

I agree with you to the extent that the PTW cannot hide the Truth. The Truth is a force of nature and beyond their capacity to affect. Therefore, the "big T" Truth is available through many "little t" truths (http://rahkyt.wordpress.com/2011/12/26/the-rules-of-capitalization-the-spiritual-lies-we-live/). What they can do is obscure and obfuscate, which is what they do so very well. Your statement about discernment is absolutely on point. That vibratory resonance that some of us can feel when we see, hear, or read certain things is that very ability in actualization, the key to connecting the dots that appear in every bit of information we are synchronistically guided to in order to facility our personal and collective learning process.


Petty Tyrants run the world.

And are necessary for our own personal evolution, according to Don Juan. Bless.

[trenairio]

as pointed out time and time again, the tyranny is reflective of the current intrinsic nature of humanity

[araucaria]

We don't need infiltrators, in the sense of members with avatars and screennames, when we have everyone using words like 'sheeple', which is a negative concept regardless of who uses it. Let's get rid once and for all of this type of terminology. What are generally referred to as sheeple are fully fledged souls by definition on a par with oneself, and who are doing their own thing, whatever it may be, including for instance waking up next week.
:)

[Tethys13]

I am a seeker myself and a skeptic at times. One thing I try to hold to is having an open mind. It is something that you must have in order to learn and except. I believe that too much negativity in other forums is what brought me here though. Much more positive vibe. Not one person has made me feel bad for having an opinion (not that it really ever bothers me anyhow) and so far no one has tried to make me feel dumb for not reading every book on every subject with 9 million quotes to back up why they think I am wrong.
How else can we learn from each other if we do not respect the other individuals we are conversing with. We as a whole cannot let people that throw disinfo at us make us feel down though. Rise above it. Take everything with a grain of salt. True teachers don't try to make you feel unworthy.

blessings on your search.
Thank you for allowing me to be here. =0)

[Unified Serenity]

We don't need infiltrators, in the sense of members with avatars and screennames, when we have everyone using words like 'sheeple', which is a negative concept regardless of who uses it. Let's get rid once and for all of this type of terminology. What are generally referred to as sheeple are fully fledged souls by definition on a par with oneself, and who are doing their own thing, whatever it may be, including for instance waking up next week.
:)

UFxwiRq-VHc

Like these fully fledged souls? I understand the offensiveness of the term "Sheeple" but maybe it's applicable when people act like herd animals and do stupid things. Individual are smart, but when a cult of personality emerges groups turn into sheeple to be fleeced and eaten body and soul by the wolves.

[araucaria]

We don't need infiltrators, in the sense of members with avatars and screennames, when we have everyone using words like 'sheeple', which is a negative concept regardless of who uses it. Let's get rid once and for all of this type of terminology. What are generally referred to as sheeple are fully fledged souls by definition on a par with oneself, and who are doing their own thing, whatever it may be, including for instance waking up next week.
:)

UFxwiRq-VHc

Like these fully fledged souls? I understand the offensiveness of the term "Sheeple" but maybe it's applicable when people act like herd animals and do stupid things. Individual are smart, but when a cult of personality emerges groups turn into sheeple to be fleeced and eaten body and soul by the wolves.


In a timeless universe, all souls are full-fledged.

On the Jonestown massacre specifically, for an alternative view, try http://www.peterdavidbeter.com/docs/all/dbal40.html

[modwiz]

We don't need infiltrators, in the sense of members with avatars and screennames, when we have everyone using words like 'sheeple', which is a negative concept regardless of who uses it. Let's get rid once and for all of this type of terminology. What are generally referred to as sheeple are fully fledged souls by definition on a par with oneself, and who are doing their own thing, whatever it may be, including for instance waking up next week.
:)

Working with one of the great world teachers, he said, "The kingdom of heaven is at hand". It was so before his time, in his time and is still so now. The spiritual form of 'carpe diem' still goes unheeded and unrealized because there are people who will wake up next week, or say they will.

The same teacher also spoke of people finally delivering this kingdom to themselves, one day. He said when that day finally came there would be those 'outside' and there would be wailing and gnashing of teeth. The meek will inherit the Earth, but rectal yoga practioners may find themselves wailing and gnashing their teeth with the very ones they aided and abetted by 'just going along with the program'.

The 'enabling' of dysfunctional behavior is an odd way of being in ones higher self, IMO. I eschew such enabling because I see it as part of the problem. This post is an anti-enabling one.

That is my truth and I am acting on it.

[jjjones]

don't be offended regarding the word "sheep/sheeple" in the Bible in john chap 10, verses 1-6, Jesus speaks of sheepfold and sheep. John chapter 21 verses 15-17 Jesus tells Peter to feed his sheep. He uses the term sheep twice and lambs once. using this term is used with no disrespect intended. there are more important things to focus on than this feeble word. more importantly we the people should be focusing on the s1867 that the potus signed last friday. that is a negative concept. we need to be unified to maintain strength going up against some difficult times ahead. enjoyed this thread and everyone's input. namaste, love and peace universally :) p.s congress voted on this 93 yea's and 7 nay's. unbelievably disgusting ! the potus said he was going to veto this and didn't! so long 5th amendment. :(

[jaybee]

One thing you can be sure of, Whatever you are hearing, its Spin. One must discern with their own heart. You will never get the Truth here... or there... Many agents on the Board here and everywhere. You hear sprinkles of facts with dis-info. All these Boards have been compromised by agents who pose as fellow seekers.We play right into there hands sheeple. These forums are the avenue to confusion. Nearly all of them are infiltrated. If they get popular they are Targets of these agents. Use original thinking, not much of that on Earth. Everyone follows either the Collective or the Counterculture. They are all manipulated to one degree or another. Trust no one, save yourself on all these topics. You can feel Your Truth..



All forums that deal with sensitive subjects are going to be heavily infiltrated, IMO.
Including this one. But when you start to get the feel of who they are you can use them as a pointer to what worries the 'authorities'...where they are trying to lead us.
What they wish to disrupt and block.

It's a pain...but par for the course. And they work in groups...with the aim of controlling forums...not just popping in a disruptive post here and there. That's what I think anyway.

Genuine members needn't be disheartened because there is still lots to learn, in spite of 'them'.

But as you say...one must feel the truth within and not be overly influenced by others.




We don't need infiltrators, in the sense of members with avatars and screennames, when we have everyone using words like 'sheeple', which is a negative concept regardless of who uses it. Let's get rid once and for all of this type of terminology. What are generally referred to as sheeple are fully fledged souls by definition on a par with oneself, and who are doing their own thing, whatever it may be, including for instance waking up next week.
:)


I agree with you about the use of the S word...which I never use and never will.

It smacks of holier than thou elitism to me...and separation from the General Public of who we are all a part. So judgemental. I wince when I read it, to be honest.
OP take note...lol

[Belle]

...True teachers don't try to make you feel unworthy.

Just thought this could use a 'bump'.

Thank you, Tethys13, and welcome to Avalon.

[Unified Serenity]

I would say that if you are on this forum the term sheeple more than likely does not apply to you. Sheeple don't seek, they don't think, they do what they are told and they blindly follow someone no matter if their actions line up with their words or not. The sheep just want to feel good, not be scared, and be fed.

[jaybee]

I would say that if you are on this forum the term sheeple more than likely does not apply to you. Sheeple don't seek, they don't think, they do what they are told and they blindly follow someone no matter if their actions line up with their words or not. The sheep just want to feel good, not be scared, and be fed.

wince wince and double wince........happy now.....lol

[Sebastion]

My take thus far on the book "Allies of Humanity" is that there may very well be much truth to be found within its pages. It does enable one to sharpen your own sword of discernment which needs to be razor sharp these days! There is a sentence in there which says that natural spirituality is the ability to know, to see and to act. Can't say as I would disagree with that. I recommend reading it.

[jaybee]

I had a sheep once...his name was Max and he lived on a Farm Animal Sanctuary. I knew him from when he was a lamb...and if he was way out in the field and I called his name he would come running at top speed to me. He died last year...but he was a good un....:) A pleasure to have known.


Max

http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo93/beejay/my%20art%20and%20photos/000_0095-1.jpg

[Unified Serenity]

I would say that if you are on this forum the term sheeple more than likely does not apply to you. Sheeple don't seek, they don't think, they do what they are told and they blindly follow someone no matter if their actions line up with their words or not. The sheep just want to feel good, not be scared, and be fed.

wince wince and double wince........happy now.....lol

Did what I say apply to you? I don't know, but I stand by my words. Your feelings are yours and mine are mine. I did not point at anyone, just said what sheep want.

[G.A]

I would say that if you are on this forum the term sheeple more than likely does not apply to you. Sheeple don't seek, they don't think, they do what they are told and they blindly follow someone no matter if their actions line up with their words or not. The sheep just want to feel good, not be scared, and be fed.

wince wince and double wince........happy now.....lol

Did what I say apply to you? I don't know, but I stand by my words. Your feelings are yours and mine are mine. I did not point at anyone, just said what sheep want.

The simple truth is that sheeple exist. This is not a judgement or negative put-down. Just a simple observation. I know two ladies who stopped being friends due a debate gone sour over Kim Kardashian.

The universe strives for balance so it must create controllers for those in need of control and not yet ready to fend for themselves.

[Belle]

wince wince and double wince........happy now.....lol

Love your sense of humor, jaybee....and not just because my initials are JB. Get it, jaybee/JB? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. :rolleyes:

There's a lot of intensity in the threads on Avalon lately, and there's nothing like injecting a little humor in the middle of things to lighten it up a bit. From one perspective we're dealing in serious subjects...but from another, it really can be seen as funny if you step way, way back...no further, further...

Back to topic...ahem...read 'Allies of Humanity' a couple of years ago. It must be time for another read because all I remember is that I found it very thought-provoking.

[jaybee]

bless you for that Belle X

[Belle]

And now I put my coat of dignity back on...

[Unified Serenity]

wince wince and double wince........happy now.....lol

Love your sense of humor, jaybee....and not just because my initials are JB. Get it, jaybee/JB? Nudge, nudge, wink, wink. :rolleyes:

There's a lot of intensity in the threads on Avalon lately, and there's nothing like injecting a little humor in the middle of things to lighten it up a bit. From one perspective we're dealing in serious subjects...but from another, it really can be seen as funny if you step way, way back...no further, further...

Back to topic...ahem...read 'Allies of Humanity' a couple of years ago. It must be time for another read because all I remember is that I found it very thought-provoking.

Belle,

I'll make my statement then let this go. The implication that jaybee was kidding does not fit here for me. This may have been backhanded humor, but I believe this was a not very subtle means to try to tell me to stfu because my comments make some people uncomfortable and on various threads they have for days. I do not say anything here to slam any member. I see a psychology within groups on forums and sometimes I make comments that upset those within obvious forum groups and lots of methods are employed to try to make me and others like me to shut up.

If something I say stings you or anyone else, then there may be truth in it. I was not aiming my comments in this thread at anyone, but I assure you jaybee was not just making a joke. I accept their comment and replied. I see your comment as possibly chiding me for not being able to take a joke. It did not appear to be a joke for all of us, just a few.

Serenity

[jaybee]

dedicated to Belle.....:thumb:


sing it fleecy friends....


swrLCQz-EaI



nothing wrong with sheep.....:p



edit to change the sheep song to a better one...

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[Belle]

The intent behind a post and how it is received can be very different for each of us.

I apologize if you took my poor attempt at lightening things up a bit as chiding you. That was not my intent. I speak as plainly as I can...you would clearly know if I had a problem with you, but I don't.

There is nothing you or anyone else can say that will make me uncomfortable or angry or sting in any way...no one has the power to make me feel anything I choose not to feel. Period. I take responsibility for my life...every part of it. Here and now I thought jaybee could use a little support and I gave it. That's all.

My God, Serenity, I'd think something was really wrong if you didn't stir things up a bit. The conversations would be a bit duller, shorter. You provide a perspective that is uniquely your own, and I value that. You are appreciated for who you are whether I agree with you or not...I ask that you give me the same respect.

[jorr lundstrom]

US wrote:
If something I say stings you or anyone else, then there may be truth in it.

Us, I envy you, that you are still allowed to say such things. LOL

[astrid]

Empathy is a beautiful and much needed virtue.

( point being we were all asleep at some point)

[araucaria]

I see this discussion has been carried on since I logged out.

I don’t think anything I have ever written here or elsewhere can be seen in any way as the ‘enabling of dysfunctional behavior’, which is all I shall quote from Modwiz (post #11). All I am saying is that ‘sheeple’ is a dysfunctional term that we get from the other side to describe good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ (Paul Levi).

The awakening process may take another week, another million years, of possibly never happen. Some forum members speaking for themselves put a very recent past date on it (they then sometimes behave like sheep on here :) ). If you consider the awake and aware crowd need to increase in numbers to reach ‘critical mass’, then the so-called sheeple are your constituency!

Alternatively, you can hang them out to dry. Contributing to the psychopath thread, which was about the disabling of dysfunctional behavior, I mentioned the rabid dog analogy, where to eradicate the rabies you have to kill the dog. In those terms, sheeple would by dogs that are infected, but not yet foaming at the mouth.

It is only by dissociating the condition from the person that we can treat the condition wherever it is to be found, starting with ourselves right now. Here as elsewhere, there is no Us and Them, no sheep and goats to be separated on a judgment day that never comes.

David Icke talks about your body being your computer. Let’s take that one step further: your mental processes are your software processing your spiritual input. Well, then, there is a virus on the net that may be on your computer as well. You may need to clean up some files, reinstall an application or two, or at worst your whole hard disk – but you don’t need to throw away your hardware. Meanwhile some wise virgins have kept a backup of their files :)

[G.A]

I see this discussion has been carried on since I logged out.

I don’t think anything I have ever written here or elsewhere can be seen in any way as the ‘enabling of dysfunctional behavior’, which is all I shall quote from Modwiz (post #11). All I am saying is that ‘sheeple’ is a dysfunctional term that we get from the other side to describe good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ (Paul Levi).

The awakening process may take another week, another million years, of possibly never happen. Some forum members speaking for themselves put a very recent past date on it (they then sometimes behave like sheep on here :) ). If you consider the awake and aware crowd need to increase in numbers to reach ‘critical mass’, then the so-called sheeple are your constituency!

Alternatively, you can hang them out to dry. Contributing to the psychopath thread, which was about the disabling of dysfunctional behavior, I mentioned the rabid dog analogy, where to eradicate the rabies you have to kill the dog. In those terms, sheeple would by dogs that are infected, but not yet foaming at the mouth.

It is only by dissociating the condition from the person that we can treat the condition wherever it is to be found, starting with ourselves right now. Here as elsewhere, there is no Us and Them, no sheep and goats to be separated on a judgment day that never comes.

David Icke talks about your body being your computer. Let’s take that one step further: your mental processes are your software processing your spiritual input. Well, then, there is a virus on the net that may be on your computer as well. You may need to clean up some files, reinstall an application or two, or at worst your whole hard disk – but you don’t need to throw away your hardware. Meanwhile some wise virgins have kept a backup of their files :)

I don't think any of us think that being unawake/unaware is a terminal condition. After all, most of us here would likely admit to being asleep at some point in our lives. The whole purpose of Camelot/Avalon was and is to bring awareness to people. But I don't see the harm in naming a condition once it has been diagnosed - so that it doesn't have to be defined at every use.

So substituting the word "sheeple" with "good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ " makes no real difference to me. If someone wants to attach negative intentions to one, they will eventually do so with the other. We can keep changing words and sweeping the dirt under the carpet - but that will just keep us from cleaning the real mess.

[gigha]

I thought this might fit with what you had to say :)

s_Yayz5o-l0


I see this discussion has been carried on since I logged out.

I don’t think anything I have ever written here or elsewhere can be seen in any way as the ‘enabling of dysfunctional behavior’, which is all I shall quote from Modwiz (post #11). All I am saying is that ‘sheeple’ is a dysfunctional term that we get from the other side to describe good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ (Paul Levi).

The awakening process may take another week, another million years, of possibly never happen. Some forum members speaking for themselves put a very recent past date on it (they then sometimes behave like sheep on here :) ). If you consider the awake and aware crowd need to increase in numbers to reach ‘critical mass’, then the so-called sheeple are your constituency!

Alternatively, you can hang them out to dry. Contributing to the psychopath thread, which was about the disabling of dysfunctional behavior, I mentioned the rabid dog analogy, where to eradicate the rabies you have to kill the dog. In those terms, sheeple would by dogs that are infected, but not yet foaming at the mouth.

It is only by dissociating the condition from the person that we can treat the condition wherever it is to be found, starting with ourselves right now. Here as elsewhere, there is no Us and Them, no sheep and goats to be separated on a judgment day that never comes.

David Icke talks about your body being your computer. Let’s take that one step further: your mental processes are your software processing your spiritual input. Well, then, there is a virus on the net that may be on your computer as well. You may need to clean up some files, reinstall an application or two, or at worst your whole hard disk – but you don’t need to throw away your hardware. Meanwhile some wise virgins have kept a backup of their files :)

g

[araucaria]

I see this discussion has been carried on since I logged out.

I don’t think anything I have ever written here or elsewhere can be seen in any way as the ‘enabling of dysfunctional behavior’, which is all I shall quote from Modwiz (post #11). All I am saying is that ‘sheeple’ is a dysfunctional term that we get from the other side to describe good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ (Paul Levi).

The awakening process may take another week, another million years, of possibly never happen. Some forum members speaking for themselves put a very recent past date on it (they then sometimes behave like sheep on here :) ). If you consider the awake and aware crowd need to increase in numbers to reach ‘critical mass’, then the so-called sheeple are your constituency!

Alternatively, you can hang them out to dry. Contributing to the psychopath thread, which was about the disabling of dysfunctional behavior, I mentioned the rabid dog analogy, where to eradicate the rabies you have to kill the dog. In those terms, sheeple would by dogs that are infected, but not yet foaming at the mouth.

It is only by dissociating the condition from the person that we can treat the condition wherever it is to be found, starting with ourselves right now. Here as elsewhere, there is no Us and Them, no sheep and goats to be separated on a judgment day that never comes.

David Icke talks about your body being your computer. Let’s take that one step further: your mental processes are your software processing your spiritual input. Well, then, there is a virus on the net that may be on your computer as well. You may need to clean up some files, reinstall an application or two, or at worst your whole hard disk – but you don’t need to throw away your hardware. Meanwhile some wise virgins have kept a backup of their files :)

I don't think any of us think that being unawake/unaware is a terminal condition. After all, most of us here would likely admit to being asleep at some point in our lives. The whole purpose of Camelot/Avalon was and is to bring awareness to people. But I don't see the harm in naming a condition once it has been diagnosed - so that it doesn't have to be defined at every use.

So substituting the word "sheeple" with "good people who are affected by the ‘collective psychosis’ " makes no real difference to me. If someone wants to attach negative intentions to one, they will eventually do so with the other. We can keep changing words and sweeping the dirt under the carpet - but that will just keep us from cleaning the real mess.

'Naming a condition' sheeple is the same as saying lepers for leprosy. I am not looking for a synonym for sheeple. I am suggesting we stop confusing the patient with the disease.

[jcocks]

( point being we were all asleep at some point)

Nope. I've always spent my time staring at the night sky with the feeling (even knowledge) that we cannot possibly be alone, ever since I was a young lad. I've always questioned the nature of reality.
The only difference has been that I have a lot more "information" under my hood now.

I guess that's been the most positive thing to come out of my being ostracized - I've never felt a need to conform to the extent of most others as it's been out of my control - my condition (aspergers - high-functioning autism) makes conformity almost impossible.

[G.A]

'Naming a condition' sheeple is the same as saying lepers for leprosy. I am not looking for a synonym for sheeple. I am suggesting we stop confusing the patient with the disease.

I thought about this a bit and I see your point about "sheeple" being a label vs name of condition.

[Tethys13]

...True teachers don't try to make you feel unworthy.

Just thought this could use a 'bump'.

Thank you, Tethys13, and welcome to Avalon.

Thank You!

[araucaria]

The opposite of the herd mentality is creativeness. We are all artists and we need to be creative - do the unexpected thing.

Let me imagine, then, a creative sheep! ;) Creativity does not come naturally to a sheep, but when there’s a wolf in the field, it starts thinking real fast: that hedge it always took for an uncrossable barrier suddenly looks like a handy escape route. But there is really no way through the undergrowth until the artist sheep creates the sheep-sized gap it needs.

When there’s a wolf in the flock, the best herd is the one that flies off in every direction. The vast majority will survive.

I think Avalon is a useful little herd in that respect :)

[Warlock]

The Truth chasing the sheep.
ej0hrDHWQRo

Warlock

[Mulder]

The simple truth is that sheeple exist. This is not a judgement or negative put-down. Just a simple observation. I know two ladies who stopped being friends due a debate gone sour over Kim Kardashian.

The universe strives for balance so it must create controllers for those in need of control and not yet ready to fend for themselves.
There ARE SHEEPLE and all throughout history sheeple have existed and I'm not putting them down, I just want to tell the truth. Look at last century - the Americans brought over Nazi scientists in "operation paperclip," why did this happen if many Americans weren't sheep? Why was Marcus Woolf brought over to the USA by the Dept of Homeland security to consult on how to "secure" the USA? He sucessfully closed down East Germany through the STASSI. If most people weren't sheep, then this would never happen - it could never happen!! Whether or not the sheep wakes up tomorrow, next year or never makes little difference to the Elite as they will just close down society more and more.

[Lochinvar]

One thing you can be sure of, Whatever you are hearing, its Spin. One must discern with their own heart. You will never get the Truth here... or there... Many agents on the Board here and everywhere. You hear sprinkles of facts with dis-info. All these Boards have been compromised by agents who pose as fellow seekers.We play right into there hands sheeple. These forums are the avenue to confusion. Nearly all of them are infiltrated. If they get popular they are Targets of these agents. Use original thinking, not much of that on Earth. Everyone follows either the Collective or the Counterculture. They are all manipulated to one degree or another. Trust no one, save yourself on all these topics. You can feel Your Truth..

Happy Holidays. Petty Tyrants run the world. Beware, and Be Safe. Do not be Led.......Your positions against the Collective are necessary to the Collectives Survival. We have been comprimised and guided by off-world intelligence to have a state of disarray and to further the ease of our handling. Puppets we are, It makes their intervention easier and some would even say necessary. We are asleep Big-time and its in their interest to maintain that position. They can come and go at will as we are in denial..We are asleep in the extreme. They control the disclosure and most other policy decisions. No one would believe this. Thats how adept they are.

Read 'Allies of Humanity', a FREE Book at Marshall Vian Summers site. See another perspective. Its Never what you are presented through 'proper' channels, of that you can be sure. There is no were to run. Simply Awaken. Become Aware.

namaste

Good topic. Would have preferred a more relevant title though.

What sort of activities give these "agents" away do you think? Would anyone that has worked in intelligence like to point out the sort of activities that might give these "agents" away?

[astrid]

( point being we were all asleep at some point)

Nope. I've always spent my time staring at the night sky with the feeling (even knowledge) that we cannot possibly be alone, ever since I was a young lad. I've always questioned the nature of reality.
The only difference has been that I have a lot more "information" under my hood now.

I guess that's been the most positive thing to come out of my being ostracized - I've never felt a need to conform to the extent of most others as it's been out of my control - my condition (aspergers - high-functioning autism) makes conformity almost impossible.

I wasn't meaning just this life, ... we were all new souls once,
trying to figure out the basics.
BTW i have Aspergers also.

[Lochinvar]

The simple truth is that sheeple exist. This is not a judgement or negative put-down. Just a simple observation. I know two ladies who stopped being friends due a debate gone sour over Kim Kardashian.

The universe strives for balance so it must create controllers for those in need of control and not yet ready to fend for themselves.
There ARE SHEEPLE and all throughout history sheeple have existed and I'm not putting them down, I just want to tell the truth. Look at last century - the Americans brought over Nazi scientists in "operation paperclip," why did this happen if many Americans weren't sheep? Why was Marcus Woolf brought over to the USA by the Dept of Homeland security to consult on how to "secure" the USA? He sucessfully closed down East Germany through the STASSI. If most people weren't sheep, then this would never happen - it could never happen!! Whether or not the sheep wakes up tomorrow, next year or never makes little difference to the Elite as they will just close down society more and more.

Yes, sheeple is a dreadful term. Who falls into this category and who doesn't? Are people that vote sheeple? After all, billions of people over hundreds of years have voted for a fairer distribution of wealth that has never materialised.