Does Astrology Give us the Answers we Need?

[baddbob]

Down through the years there have always been people firmly convinced that our lives on earth are mysteriously influenced by the celestial bodies - the moon, the planets and the stars. It has been estimated that up to 1 billion people on earth today "believe in or follow astrology to some extent". Many of the rich and famous of this world consult astrologers, convinced that the knowledge they gain will help them be successful in life. It is claimed that many major Fortune 500 companies consult astrological advice for major decision making. According to the fornmer Chief of Staff of the White House, Donald Regan's text For the Record, the influence of astrology at the White House during the Reagan administration extended to "every major move and decision".




These views dont actually reflect the views of the poster :suspicious:

[Unified Serenity]

I find usefulness in understanding energies attached to the stars, but I happen to believe God put the truth in the stars in the form of a story so that even if all the inspired works of holy men and women disappeared there would be a testimony in the stars, and I think that was well layed out by E.W. Bullinger in his seminal work "Witness of the stars". Have you read it?

[baddbob]

As unacceptable as it sounds to many ears - those who get involved in any of the occultic arts, including astrology, are opening themselves to become channels for demons.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=aQWZnWRN2HU

[baddbob]

I find usefulness in understanding energies attached to the stars, but I happen to believe God put the truth in the stars in the form of a story so that even if all the inspired works of holy men and women disappeared there would be a testimony in the stars, and I think that was well layed out by E.W. Bullinger in his seminal work "Witness of the stars". Have you read it?

No I have not.Thank you I will check it out.It concerns me because although im open to the help from the stars am I also open to demonic possession of sorts. i found E.W. Bullinger gospel in the stars good place to start thanks

[Lisab]

Badbob please bear with me I'm on an iPhone so my posts are scrappier than usual! Ok over the years I've studied everything from Buddhism ( a little) to theosophy, meditation, yoga. I've seen psychics the whole works but it's always astrology I go back too. It just never let's me down. But it doesn't really give me insights into my future other than letting me know how im relating to others and maybe what frame if mind I'm in when starting new projects etc, but rather has given me an insight into my PAST and where I'm coming from now in relation to my future.

I have a great astrologer whom on seeing my chart knew instantly that I'd had a dysfunctional upbringing with many dramas. In fact he looked at my chart and said Lisa I don't do guardian angels cos I don't believe in them, but if anyone had one, it's you, cos you should be dead by now. Well all I'm going to say is he is so right. The planets also showed my parents were split and I was brought up with the wounded parent and that also I was a single parent myself.

Astrology has helped bring me a better understanding of myself and where I come from. I recently persuaded a freind of mine to have her chart done with the same astrologer. My friend is a daughter of the elite who was shunted off to boarding school at the age of four and has a serious coke problem of which she was in denial until she spoke to this astrologer. He told her that when she was born there was alot of Neptune around her (deception, paranoia, illusion) and he couldn't work out that she was an only child. We've since found out her mother was post natal( not recognised much back then) and had also given away another child. Thanks to astrology much healing going on for them. My friend is also now in rehab. Her reading proved the catalyst.

Our resident astrologers like Ulli and arunuk can explain more. Ulli is brilliant and knows when what's up with me than I do at the time! As carmody says the ptb will rubbish it at your expense so brush up.

[Unified Serenity]

Very few Christians will even look at the issue of the stars. Once at Shule, I tried to introduce this book for study to the Rebbitzen and she gfawed because it smelled of studying astrology. The fact is God says he gave us the Mazzoroth for signs, and that he has written the truth in the stars. It is so clear that truly a child would see it, wonder and weep for the lies spread across the world, that even today many now question if the one to come ever even existed.

[Carmody]

I've already explained the functional aspects of astrology elsewhere. the real meat on the bones of it's core design and functionality, with respect to dimensions, time,space, matter, etc.

However, explaining astrology is also an act of explaining multidimensional function with regard to time space matter, etc.. down to the most potent connection of all systems of incarnation etc. The hand of the universe and it's motions/actions will be directly encountered when astrology is fully explained.

Which is why it is such a problem to explain it.

Do you understand?

Whether one understand what i say on these matters or not, is a core ego aspect of the individual. This is inescapable. it is also difficult to understand, for once again,you attempt to distill the multifaceted aspects of dimensional function down to the ego-idiot level, which is also a non functional conversation.

The words and the wording.....is simple.

Understanding them ----is difficult.

[Carmody]

ulli had an astrology thread.

In that thread, I illustrated the mechanics of astrology,and it's type of connections, how it works, etc. it's in there, in that thread, spread over multiple posts.

[Wind]

Everything is written in the stars, just like my signature says.

[Ernie Nemeth]

Baddbob:
Down through the years there have always been people firmly convinced that our lives on earth are mysteriously influenced by the celestial bodies - the moon, the planets and the stars.

Mysteriously? Oh, you mean like an action-at-a-distance type thingie, is that it? Like gravity? Or dark matter? Or entangled subatomic particles - like that? Ya those things are mysterious, I'll give you that. And I do not fully ascribe to their reality either, so I get what you mean. Not to mention God, of course, the penultimate force and instigator of action-at-a-distance. God is impossibly mysterious and extremely difficult to be "convinced of".

And, of course the moon has no effect on things here on earth, so it can be dismissed. And Jupiter constantly sweeping the inner solar system clear of disaterous comets has no impact on us either. Or Saturn. And Mars, well, it has never ventured near Earth or Venus or the asteroid belt, so it has had no impact on our lives here. Nor does Mercury affect the energy output of the solar wind and its impact on the whole solar system. Yup, I get your point, no connection at all. Thanks, I'm greatly relieved to hear such rationality.

Imagine plunking a new planet down in our solar system. Poof! Would it just lazily mind its own business? Or would it perturb the other spheres?

Funny, listening to such sweeping bouts of certainty - like we know so much about the nature of reality to judge. Remember, cosmology has in the last 15 years realized that most of the universe is invisible to all earth-bound imaging technologies. Dark matter and dark energy, both invisible and undetectable, have rendered our view of the universe as almost miopic. Those two comprise a whopping 96% of the universe. That, my friend, means that all our knowledge is based on the measely 4% we can detect of the universe!

Add to that the understanding that we use only 10% of our brains and, well, you see where this is going, right?

So, go ahead, pick and choose your truths. It's just a crap shoot anyways. Or better yet, just flip a coin. Heads, astrology. Tails, no astrology. You'd get no argument from me then.

The point is we do not know and the sooner we come to terms with our personal ignorance the better, IMHO.
Astrology works. I flipped a coin...

[Carmody]

The opening post comes from a christian website.

Which is quite hilarious, and sad... if you understand what is going on. From ignorance to ignorance, it is.


Christianity is an Abrahmic religion.

Abrahamic religions are based in Judaism.

Judaism comes from Egypt, and the Egyptians.

Egyptians come from Sumerian religions and such of earlier origins.


All of them, including Islam, are renowned for their astrology and astrologers.

Astrology is the mother of all that is human.

Philosophy, mathematics, psychology, mythology, human observation, number theory, geometry, religion itself, all of it..comes from astrology. the mother of all sciences.

astrology, the mother of all sciences. the master of it all.

astrology is not in some daily newspaper.

people can study astrology longer than they can study as a Buddhist monk..and still not understand much of it, at all. it is a multifaceted and multidisciplinary area of study.

[baddbob]

The opening post comes from a christian website.

Which is quite hilarious, and sad... if you understand what is going on. From ignorance to ignorance, it is.


Christianity is an Abrahmic religion.

Abrahamic religions are based in Judaism.

Judaism comes from Egypt, and the Egyptians.

Egyptians come from Sumerian religions and such of earlier origins.


All of them, including Islam, are renowned for their astrology and astrologers.

Astrology is the mother of all that is human.

Philosophy, mathematics, psychology, mythology, human observation, number theory, geometry, religion itself, all of it..comes from astrology. the mother of all sciences.

astrology, the mother of all sciences. the master of it all.

astrology is not in some daily newspaper.

people can study astrology longer than they can study as a Buddhist monk..and still not understand much of it, at all. it is a multifaceted and multidisciplinary area of study.

Yes it shared questions that i was concerned with
http://www.christian-faith.com/forjesus/astrology

[aranuk]

If we were to count the passages in the Bible referring solely to Astrology by comparrison to an aversge 50 page newspaper like New York Times there would be 3 and a half full pages of Astrology. Just as an example Jacob blessing his 12 sons is a description of the Zodiacal signs.
I am an Astrologer, and BadBob should start studying it before he comes out with such diatribe.

Stan
PS I believe in Jesus TOO

[Lisab]

Absolutely Stan. I quite often call upon Jesus for a healing.

Badbob you've brought some brilliant threads to us. The professor Sutton one was a great find but here your way off. Get your chart done and it will contribute so much to your journey. X

[Unified Serenity]

Bob, I am writing a piece about this topic but You will find everything here:

http://levendwater.org/companion/append12.html

[baddbob]

If we were to count the passages in the Bible referring solely to Astrology by comparrison to an aversge 50 page newspaper like New York Times there would be 3 and a half full pages of Astrology. Just as an example Jacob blessing his 12 sons is a description of the Zodiacal signs.
I am an Astrologer, and BadBob should start studying it before he comes out with such diatribe.

Stan
PS I believe in Jesus TOO

So in other words search for the truth somewhere else before i question it here and leave my feeling out cause they dont reflect your views .If you noticed the begining of the post it starts out Does Astrology Give us the Answers we Need? I didnt say they were my views.Just searching my friend.

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/404357_330497733636743_330404283646088_1326389_668 70726_n.jpg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MxOGeqVOsvc

[aranuk]

My great friend Rabbi Joel Dobin and American Astrologer told me that Issaih was warning the people not to get too dependant on Astrology, because at the time that was written the Jewish people WERE becoming over dependant on it. There was a great deal of Monthly prograstination around meaning that people would get a summary from the astrologer about every day in the month and carry out their business with the advice in mind. Like everything else, if we use something as a crutch we become disempowered. If someone is in a dire situation in their life, consult an astrologer if you think that may help. But don't ask the astrologer what color of car to buy or what brand of serial you should buy for breakfast. Issaih didn't warn the people of Israel against the astrologers, stargazers and monthly prograstinators he was warning them not to be so dependant on ANYONE at all. I could go on for ever more here but I should stop now.

Stan

[aranuk]

You could easily have wrote immediately after it NO. It is clear. It wasn't a legitimate question. You may have just wanted to cause a lot of arguments and trouble.
You don't need to live up to your avatar Bob. I believe you.

Stan

[baddbob]

You could easily have wrote immediately after it NO. It is clear. It wasn't a legitimate question. You may have just wanted to cause a lot of arguments and trouble.
You don't need to live up to your avatar Bob. I believe you.

Stan
Actullay that was why I asked the post be deleted this morning because it was starting an argument and they were not my own words to defend .Im sorry if you think i might only be here to start arguments and trouble from now on I will become a viewer and wont post my troublesome posts wish I could change my name for you lol to Robert John

[Kimberley]

Great thread....
I was indoctrinated via fundamental Christianity that astrology was of the devil.... I now know that there is no devil and that there is dark and light. There is a lot of astrological information in the bible that tells the truth. I remember years ago learning that the date of Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox... So from that point on I realized that if astrology was of the devil but the date for Easter each year was determined by astrology and astronomy that there was something wrong with the whole picture....

So I have dabbled with astrology for many years now and have found it to be very helpful for me and many...

Ok it was not until this summer of 2011 that I was introduced to Santos Bonacci and I coin him as the very best astrologer I have ever come in contact with. And Teacher of Astrotheology. If you are not aware of Santos and interested in astrology and the concept of "as above so below" do check him out. I will suggest you can start here and be aware that this is a 2 hour lecture that you need to watch as just listening you miss much of what is being told..

7YA-9iHKHJo


And for many more hours of information here is the whole Chanel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology

Much love!

[aranuk]

I don't think any reasonably good astrologer would rate him that credible, I don't. I have only seen one video he has so far. He appeals to the uninformed masses I would say.

Stan

[baddbob]

Great thread....
I was indoctrinated via fundamental Christianity that astrology was of the devil.... I now know that there is no devil and that there is dark and light. There is a lot of astrological information in the bible that tells the truth. I remember years ago learning that the date of Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox... So from that point on I realized that if astrology was of the devil but the date for Easter each year was determined by astrology and astronomy that there was something wrong with the whole picture....

So I have dabbled with astrology for many years now and have found it to be very helpful for me and many...

Ok it was not until this summer of 2011 that I was introduced to Santos Bonacci and I coin him as the very best astrologer I have ever come in contact with. And Teacher of Astrotheology. If you are not aware of Santos and interested in astrology and the concept of "as above so below" do check him out. I will suggest you can start here and be aware that this is a 2 hour lecture that you need to watch as just listening you miss much of what is being told..

7YA-9iHKHJo


And for many more hours of information here is the whole Chanel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology

Much love!

Thank you so much this is great im only 30min into the video and it already has answered so many questions for me what an awesome teacher :grouphug:

[baddbob]

Great thread....
I was indoctrinated via fundamental Christianity that astrology was of the devil.... I now know that there is no devil and that there is dark and light. There is a lot of astrological information in the bible that tells the truth. I remember years ago learning that the date of Easter is the first Sunday after the first full moon after the vernal equinox... So from that point on I realized that if astrology was of the devil but the date for Easter each year was determined by astrology and astronomy that there was something wrong with the whole picture....

So I have dabbled with astrology for many years now and have found it to be very helpful for me and many...

Ok it was not until this summer of 2011 that I was introduced to Santos Bonacci and I coin him as the very best astrologer I have ever come in contact with. And Teacher of Astrotheology. If you are not aware of Santos and interested in astrology and the concept of "as above so below" do check him out. I will suggest you can start here and be aware that this is a 2 hour lecture that you need to watch as just listening you miss much of what is being told..

7YA-9iHKHJo


And for many more hours of information here is the whole Chanel:
http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology

Much love!

This is so amazing and gives light to so much. A must for someone just begining to understand astrology and so true what he says about the vatican and the illuminati.

[Kimberley]

Baddbob,

Glad to know Santo's resonates well with you and helpful. Like I said Santo's was introduced to me this summer. He is a really nice man. I have had him as a guest on my show a couple of times now.

He lives in Melbourne Australia and his source of income is via being a street musician he is a fabulous flamenco guitarist... check this out...less than 6 minutes


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[baddbob]

I don't think any reasonably good astrologer would rate him that credible, I don't. I have only seen one video he has so far. He appeals to the uninformed masses I would say.

Stan


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ofzCZiQ9vjA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3yAW1daYXD4

http://www.youtube.com/user/MrAstrotheology

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap...

For the sake of inquiry the following came up for me...

Given that light has a relatively defined average speed and some of the stars involved are apparently a very long way away there must have been a point in the past when, for example, Orions belt only had two observable stars not three...so how old is Astrology?

Given that the construction of a chart, at least these days, appears to be highly dependant on ones exact location and time of birth, how do practitioners know which calendar to use and the veracity of said calendar?

As for the question of time, being nothing more than yet another abitrary construct of man, how does a practitioner define a starting point for such measurement with an infinite number of possibilities available to choose from?

If one argues that the starting point is the big bang then one would have to subscribe to that theory but unfortunately the Hubble telescope recently proved that the age of the universe must be much older than previously thought. When that was announced how did practitioners go about adjusting the timing?

So many questions, so little time... :p

[baddbob]

Are you talking about a slip? here he talks about it in this video @ 18:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC5hLlh5XpY&feature=player_profilepage

[Intranuclear]

Thanks Kimberly.
Despite my pre-judgement of astrology being that which is practiced by high school girls for determining the compatibility of guys (to my detriment often - from what I recall anyways) I am so glad I gave myself the opportunity to watch the Santos video. I would consider myself very heavy into hard science, with zero respect for organized religion (any religion), even though I have "proved" to myself the absolute requirement of God.
Whether what he says is true or not is never important to me, but whether I can check many different sources to determine the likelihood of obvious distortions of truth. To my great surprise, I found remarkable historical and astronomical conjecture at least to back up his statements. I love great teachers, not because what they teach is true or not, but because they believe that it is and whether their statements can withstand at least a simple level of questioning.

Having said all that of Santos, I have found that by far most astrologers are, to put it kindly, simpletons who are best suited for keeping children entertained.

Again, thanks!

[FutureHumanDestiny]

i think astrology offers some of the insight that we want; yet the responsibility for our choices remains ours.

[Dawn]

For me having my natal chart done was a big relief. Up until then I was in judgement of some things about my personality which seemed annoying to others and to my even to my conditioned ego structure (LOL). My natal chart, to my surprise let me know that all the things I wanted to change were a part of the gift of my astrology. The astrologer didn't even know me, yet her comments were right on. It was such a huge relief!!!!

Silly me, I had judged astrology based on the newspaper astrology articles and had closed my mind for years... What a sad waste.

[baddbob]

Thank you Dawn it seems that I to kinda closed my mind to it a friend here Heyoka_11 gave me a free Numerology reading based on my name and birth date and I was amazed how well it fit me even the free a free reading that i got from the internet was right on http://www.numerologist.com/free/report.php?a=7144753-d12c96&custom%20garef=&utm_source=(direct)&utm_campaign=(direct)&utm_medium=(none)&vtid=welcome#& and thanks to Kimberley and the wonerful videos by Santos I now know it nothing to fear.

[modwiz]

Our own ignorance is the only thing we should ever truly fear.

[Lisab]

Hey badbob I'm so happy you some clarity here in your own thread. Don't ya just love it! Heyoka Did my number reading too and I got more insight out of that too. I love here at Av. I'm humbled that you took a step back to check out the answers for yourself. Kudos to you. If you'd like to know the numerological significance of your up coming year pm me and i'l happily give you a reading. Altho I have to say in these quantum days of the shift I'm finding anything goes!!

Happy new year badbob x much love to you and yours Lisa x

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Jeez sorry about my misspells etc my son spilt his Xmas beer over my new laptop. I'm rubbish on phone sorry. Hope you get my gist

[Mercury]

Colin Wilson has written about astrology and some astronomers agree the stars and planets may actually have some type of influence over us. This is the form of gamma rays and other types of radiation from these stars and the gravitational fields of the planets.

Dr John Dee was Queen Elizabeth I personal astrologer and he took days to complete his astrological charts. According to Mr Wilson, Dr Dee had a PhD to astrology compared to the kindergarten level of today's horoscope columnists.

Since we are still learning so much about the Universe and its affect on us, this is one question that does need to be looked at. I will say that the stars and planets may have an influence on us, but the question is how much?