Donal Trump breaks with GOP

[Unified Serenity]

Well, we've discussed this on other threads. It appears Trump has broken away from the GOP! He is now a registered Independent. Does this lay the groundwork for him to announce and run as a third party candidate to stop the Ron Paul movement?

By Michael A. Memoli
December 23, 2011, 2:24 p.m.

Donald Trump (http://www.latimes.com/topic/economy-business-finance/construction/donald-trump-PEBSL000163.topic) is declaring his independence.

After years as a registered Republican, the outspoken real estate mogul has filed paperwork to become an unaffiliated voter in his home state of New York.

Trump made the change official Thursday, a move prompted by his stated interest in mounting a third-party presidential run in 2012.

"Mr. Trump has said for almost a year that if he is not satisfied with who the Republican candidate is, he may elect to run as an independent," spokesman Michael Cohen said Friday. "This change in party affiliation certainly preserves his right to do so, after the finale of 'The Apprentice' in May."

Asked if any developments in the GOP (http://www.latimes.com/topic/politics/parties-movements/republican-party-ORGOV0000004.topic) race prompted Trump to make the change, Cohen said no. Trump has said he plans to endorse one of the Republicans running.

According to Politico, which first reported Trump's party switch, he will still be able to vote in the New York presidential primary in April. Trump had once been a registered Democrat.

Cohen also offered that Trump is "very disappointed" with how the Republican Party has handled the payroll tax extension, handing President Obama a political victory.

[jackovesk]

Trump reminds me of the Federal Reserve...


He has No Credibility &/or No Real Integral Currency and 'Full of Thin Air' propped up by nothing more than a Ponzi Scheme and a Bunch of CRIMINALS..!

His Plastic Sword is Powerless, he too will go down with the PTW/OWO's Sinking Ship..!

[Unified Serenity]

Jesse Ventura Endorses Ron Paul as the Only Anti-war Candidate (http://www.prisonplanet.com/jesse-ventura-endorses-ron-paul-as-the-only-anti-war-candidate.html)


Kurt Nimmo
Infowars.com
December 30, 2011

Appearing on Alex Jones’ nationally syndicated radio show today, the former governor of Minnesota and best selling author, Jesse Ventura, emphatically declared his support for Ron Paul’s presidential run.

“Ron Paul has Governor Jesse Ventura’s endorsement without a doubt,” he said. “It’s not even close. Because I want a new president that is going to change the direction of this country. I want a new president that is going to follow the Constitution. I want a new president that is going to believe in states’ rights. I want somebody that will shock the status quo.”

Jesse said Ron Paul is the only candidate that will put an end to the establishment’s wars and foreign adventures.
“It’s a simple as this,” he said. “If people truly are looking for an attempt at change in this country – changing who are and what we will be in the future – then there is only one candidate, and that is congressman Ron Paul. He’s the only candidate that wants to audit the Federal Reserve… he is the only candidate that wants to talk rather than wage war, so I think this will truly be an agenda for the United States of America, an agenda to determine what we stand for. Do we stand for being the most aggressive, war-mongering country in the world who is all set to go to war with Iran, too, or are we going to be a country that stands for peace?”

Jesse said that there has not been a president since John F. Kennedy who worked for peace and opposed the endless war policies of the ruling elite. Ron Paul is the first candidate since Kennedy to oppose the perpetual war agenda, he explained.
He criticized the corporate media for its effort to portray Paul’s foreign policy philosophy as “scary” and said the exact opposite it true – the foreign policy of the establishment and its handpicked candidates is scary. “All we do is go to war – one after another after another – and I’m one of the people being a veteran who says stop it, that’s enough of this,” Ventura said.
If America wants a change in direction, Jesse said, the only choice for president in 2012 is Ron Paul. “He is then only one who says we ought to talk before we shoot.”

Ventura cited as an example the response of the United States to Iran’s announcement that if may block the Strait of Hormuz if the United States and the EU impose a crippling embargo – essentially an act of war – on the country. The U.S. has vowed to respond if Iran blocks the strategic waterway.
He compared the latest actions of the U.S. to an earlier embargo – the oil embargo imposed on Japan by the United States that ultimately resulted in the attack on Pearl Harbor and the start of the Second World War.

[ghostrider]

trump will be the spoiler and Obama will be re-elected. just like Ross Perot did. dang billionaires messin with democracy. why can't rich people just stay out of politics and go count their money.

[nomadguy]

perhaps, only someone would have to vote for him for that to work.

[Unified Serenity]

When a third party candidate comes in it's usually only bad for one party as we saw with Perot. It also makes it easier to rig the election numbers and steal votes. Let's see if Trump can get on the ballots in all the early states. It will be interesting to see what happens.

[DreamsInDigital]

trump will be the spoiler and Obama will be re-elected. just like Ross Perot did. dang billionaires messin with democracy. why can't rich people just stay out of politics and go count their money.
Well apparently they've already got it planned for something along the lines of Obama to be taken out in the first two months of next year, Biden will back down do to "health" reasons, and then they will some how put Hilary Clinton into office. Because even the Speaker Of The House will step aside. That's what I'm hearing on the winds.

[jackovesk]

trump will be the spoiler and Obama will be re-elected. just like Ross Perot did. dang billionaires messin with democracy. why can't rich people just stay out of politics and go count their money.

If Obama get's re-elected I will have absolutely 'No' empathy for the American people whatsoever, if the sheeple over there are that (Brain-Dead) you all deserve what's coming your way..! Period..!


"Give Me Liberty Or Give Me Death..!"

Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775

[Unified Serenity]

Hey Jack,

Please do not blame the people. This is how insidious the system is. It's easy to get caught up in us vs them. Dawn made some interesting comments about archetypes on the annunaki split thread. America is a picture of the world. We have all the races in abundance. We have lots of rooms for playing the us vs. them card. This forum has shown how well we do it. Sure there are rights and wrongs. Ever talk to two people in an argument. One side has their truth the other side has there truth and usually somewhere in the middle really is the truth?

Please pray for us, and don't judge us. We may need you guys more than you know. I for one love my aussie cousins and think you are made of better stuff than just writing us nuts over here off.

Much love,

Serenity

[jackovesk]

Hey Jack,

Please do not blame the people. This is how insidious the system is. It's easy to get caught up in us vs them. Dawn made some interesting comments about archetypes on the annunaki split thread. America is a picture of the world. We have all the races in abundance. We have lots of rooms for playing the us vs. them card. This forum has shown how well we do it. Sure there are rights and wrongs. Ever talk to two people in an argument. One side has their truth the other side has there truth and usually somewhere in the middle really is the truth?

Please pray for us, and don't judge us. We may need you guys more than you know. I for one love my aussie cousins and think you are made of better stuff than just writing us nuts over here off.

Much love,

Serenity

I agree with your Forefathers the Constitution & The Bill of Rights...including the 2nd Amendment

I wish we had them Down Under..!

Remember what these laws were introduced to uphold...

NDAA just Signed Into Law by Obama..!

I'm sorry but the American People have to start drawing a 'Line in the Sand' sometime, for your sake I hope sooner rather than later...

...Or the Constitution & The Bill of Rights don't mean a 'God Damned' thing, just worthless bits of paper...

The Founding Fathers would be shaking their fists and turning over in their graves..!

If you DON'T get your Country back this year 2012, your Country is finished and so is what's left of your Freedoms & Liberty..!

If you honestly can't see that, No praying is going to help if you can't help yourselves...

[Unified Serenity]

Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing? I believe the one's running the asylum want a riot so they can come down hard. The rioters will be smeared in the media just as happened with the "militia" movement in the 90's.

They got away with murdering the Branch Davidians right in front of live TV. They had all the propaganda ready. No one cared. They got away with blowing up the Murrah bldg and blamed it on a militia guy despite it being obvious their story did not hold water. They got away with blowing up the twin towers. The people want to go to work, live their lives and as long as the majority can do that nothing matters. It's not affecting them. They do not see the loss of liberty over the past decade.

It's the old story of how to cook a frog in water. Do it slowly and the frog just sits there until it's too late. Yep, I am a cynic at this point. I've watched them do this for so long, and no matter how loudly I talked, how long I raised hell on my radio show, nothing mattered. They paint you as mean, a nutter, unpatriotic, and keep passing laws. There will be a tipping point. I think we are about to see some major stuff happening, and maybe, just maybe we have had enough and will say "NO MORE".

[jackovesk]

Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing? I believe the one's running the asylum want a riot so they can come down hard. The rioters will be smeared in the media just as happened with the "militia" movement in the 90's.

They got away with murdering the Branch Davidians right in front of live TV. They had all the propaganda ready. No one cared. They got away with blowing up the Murrah bldg and blamed it on a militia guy despite it being obvious their story did not hold water. They got away with blowing up the twin towers. The people want to go to work, live their lives and as long as the majority can do that nothing matters. It's not affecting them. They do not see the loss of liberty over the past decade.

It's the old story of how to cook a frog in water. Do it slowly and the frog just sits there until it's too late. Yep, I am a cynic at this point. I've watched them do this for so long, and no matter how loudly I talked, how long I raised hell on my radio show, nothing mattered. They paint you as mean, a nutter, unpatriotic, and keep passing laws. There will be a tipping point. I think we are about to see some major stuff happening, and maybe, just maybe we have had enough and will say "NO MORE".

Come Hell or High Water, make sure you elect Ron Paul would be a good start...That means boots on the ground like you are going to do in support of Ron Paul...

One of the best ways to spread the word I've found is to strike up a conversation with a complete stranger e.g...


"Did you hear that Obama just signed off on NDAA, do know what that means?" If they don't (Explain it to them) If they do let them share their knowledge with you. Either way, you end the conversation by saying Ron Paul is the only Candidate willing to uphold the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Period..! And that's who I'm voting for on behalf of myself, my family and our Country..! Don't know about you but I've had Enough of these Dirty Politicians who won't uphold the Constitution & Bill of Rights! If you don't know anything about him go check out his Voting Record at RonPaul.com or You Tube or Google his name, etc..!

Yes there is a 'Tipping Point' which is a lot closer than some realise, the problem is that the PTW realise it too and that means another War or False-Flag..!

[DreamsInDigital]

@ Jack
Whether we like it or not, United States is a Fascist Autocratic Society , has been that way since well at least WW2 but most likely longer. Anyway, think about it. The two times Baby Bush got put in office, it wasn't by actual votes of the people. Both those elections were rigged, and it has since been openly (though kept very hushed) admitted to those who can and do look. That he was illegally elected both times. One of the Whisleblowers interviewed by Kerry was told by the Illuminati/Cabal that it doesn't matter who is elected as they are both controlled by the Cabal/Illuminati. That is fact. Until the Illuminati/Cabal are removed from power, literally nothing is going to change. That is the absolute truth, my concern with Ron Paul and I expressed this with an Stark Supporter of his, is that if he is not one of the puppets of the Illuminati then he will not survive long in office if he succeeds in getting elected. Not one Constitutionialest in the History Of The United State Of America, true Constitutionalist has ever survived long in Office. Everyone of them has ended up assassinated, I think starting with Lincoln if I remember correctly, multiple ones almost in a row were taken down using Arsenic Poisoning. Like somewhere between 3-5.

[Unified Serenity]

@ Jack
Whether we like it or not, United States is a Fascist Autocratic Society , has been that way since well at least WW2 but most likely longer. Anyway, think about it. The two times Baby Bush got put in office, it wasn't by actual votes of the people. Both those elections were rigged, and it has since been openly (though kept very hushed) admitted to those who can and do look. That he was illegally elected both times. One of the Whisleblowers interviewed by Kerry was told by the Illuminati/Cabal that it doesn't matter who is elected as they are both controlled by the Cabal/Illuminati. That is fact. Until the Illuminati/Cabal are removed from power, literally nothing is going to change. That is the absolute truth, my concern with Ron Paul and I expressed this with an Stark Supporter of his, is that if he is not one of the puppets of the Illuminati then he will not survive long in office if he succeeds in getting elected. Not one Constitutionialest in the History Of The United State Of America, true Constitutionalist has ever survived long in Office. Everyone of them has ended up assassinated, I think starting with Lincoln if I remember correctly, multiple ones almost in a row were taken down using Arsenic Poisoning. Like somewhere between 3-5.

You are absolutely correct in this accounting. It does not matter whether it's an R or D elected if they are a puppet the control continues. Dr. Paul would in my opinion be one of the true non puppets, but he will either be stropped by a puppet congress or killed. I don't think he will get elected because there are lots of hurdles built into our system now by the controllers. The first are the Party heads themselves who pick delegates for the Electoral College, the controll of counting the votes and tabulation reporting, and the third party option. If RP gets the nomination of from the people, the EC can overthrow it if it's close enough. In some states all the votes are supposed to go to the winner and in other states it's proportioned. If I remember my American Government class notes correctly though, the EC can vote however they want, so like the Gore / Bush election it won't be hanging chads, it will be just EC vs the popular vote. And of course a third party run by Trump or someone else who could draw off enough votes then Obama wins.

This is a very tenuous situation here. Of course the third part candidate will not win at all, so the only reason to have them is to end an upstart like a Buchanan in the 90's or RP now. If the people feel the election is stolen there very well could be violence and that will not be good for the people in any way shape or form. This is not 1776 fighting with muskets and rifles. King George is not across the pond now. It would be a horrendous nightmare and the world would be in chaos.... but remember "Order out of Chaos" has always been the motto, right?

[DreamsInDigital]

Yes, I fully agree with you. But look what happened with the two Bush Jr. Elections, both of those were stolen, MOST of Americans knew it, and even more do now. And, nothing ever resulted out of that.

Their other motto ofcourse is "The Best Place To Hide The Truth is Between Two Lies".

[Unified Serenity]

It doesn't look good does it DreamsIndigital? I don't put a lot of faith in the people rising up. They have been pacified with flouride, and turned into slaves to the government, the police are trained not to serve and protect, but to take orders.

Some will rise up, but at what cost? Hence my post about war and the cost. I do not see a lot of good coming in the near future for there must be chaos to bring about the changes the NWO seek, and they know it, write about it, and use major events to get the people to go along with things they would never accept otherwise. Just see what 9/11 gave us... TSA, laws limiting our freedom and liberty. We are no safer, but we are more controlled. I know you know this... it just irks me.

[jackovesk]

@ Jack
Whether we like it or not, United States is a Fascist Autocratic Society , has been that way since well at least WW2 but most likely longer. Anyway, think about it. The two times Baby Bush got put in office, it wasn't by actual votes of the people. Both those elections were rigged, and it has since been openly (though kept very hushed) admitted to those who can and do look. That he was illegally elected both times. One of the Whisleblowers interviewed by Kerry was told by the Illuminati/Cabal that it doesn't matter who is elected as they are both controlled by the Cabal/Illuminati. That is fact. Until the Illuminati/Cabal are removed from power, literally nothing is going to change. That is the absolute truth, my concern with Ron Paul and I expressed this with an Stark Supporter of his, is that if he is not one of the puppets of the Illuminati then he will not survive long in office if he succeeds in getting elected. Not one Constitutionialest in the History Of The United State Of America, true Constitutionalist has ever survived long in Office. Everyone of them has ended up assassinated, I think starting with Lincoln if I remember correctly, multiple ones almost in a row were taken down using Arsenic Poisoning. Like somewhere between 3-5.

I understand and know all that, I've been following and studying American Politics for the past 20 years...

So what are Americans going to do about it..? Nothing..?

That's Why 2012 is so important, as you know the PTW know the people are slowly Waking Up and have adjusted their plans accordingly to coincide with an all out takeover this year...

1. War with Iran
2. Collapse of the $USD
3. Fed out of Control destroying the US every second of the day...

Enough is Enough, there will be a Mass Celestial Awakening this year like planet earth has never seen before...Whether or not it will help the American people survive is another question altogether...

Tick-Tock...Tick-Tock

PS - If Ron Paul did manage to become President, I am pretty shore there would be a long line of Patriotic Successors to replace him if the PTW were 'DUMB ENOUGH' to take him out...

Just the groundswell of people required to get RP into office would be massive..!

...and if the PTW did Assassinate him there would be absolutely nowhere for them to hide...!

The American Nation has put up with a lot and they won't let anyone get away with killing another one of the 'People's Presidents', there will be no repeat of a JFK style Hit & Cover-up!

PSS - Funny, you might sense a bit of urgency in my last few posts? Well if you did, you'd be right..!

IMHO for good reason though...

PSSS - Some might even say 'CHILL-OUT' Jackovesk..? Ok I will...:wave:

[blake]

Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing? I believe the one's running the asylum want a riot so they can come down hard. The rioters will be smeared in the media just as happened with the "militia" movement in the 90's.

They got away with murdering the Branch Davidians right in front of live TV. They had all the propaganda ready. No one cared. They got away with blowing up the Murrah bldg and blamed it on a militia guy despite it being obvious their story did not hold water. They got away with blowing up the twin towers. The people want to go to work, live their lives and as long as the majority can do that nothing matters. It's not affecting them. They do not see the loss of liberty over the past decade.

It's the old story of how to cook a frog in water. Do it slowly and the frog just sits there until it's too late. Yep, I am a cynic at this point. I've watched them do this for so long, and no matter how loudly I talked, how long I raised hell on my radio show, nothing mattered. They paint you as mean, a nutter, unpatriotic, and keep passing laws. There will be a tipping point. I think we are about to see some major stuff happening, and maybe, just maybe we have had enough and will say "NO MORE".

Dear United Serenity,

Happy 2012.

I agree with jackovest. The American people have allowed this asylum that you refer. When you wrote:
"Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing?"

If all you can think of is to march peacfully in the street, and calling Congress then that clearly explains how the PEOPLE allowed this mess to happen. Radio shows and community Tv shows are a good tool, if you do them for years, and become a broken record. As someone who understands marketing you also understand how many times the average person needs to hear something before it starts to sink in.

I started a thread called, "Question". It didn't get any traffic but I might bump it up, and may be, if you have time, you might like to take a stab at answering the question that Thomas Jefferson posed.

There have been many threads about the PEOPLE taking responsibility. But they don't seem to be very popular, becasue in my opinion the People don't like to take responsibility. They like to complain, and be taken care of, have someone else do the dirty work. Yes the masses are always looking for a gladiator to fight the lions. But when he dies, they just look forward to the next show as they remain in the audience, but they did buy the ticket!!!! But that is all just my humble opinion. But like Americans get the Congress they deserve, Americans will get the president they deserve.

Remember the saying: " Fool me once and shame on you, fool me twice than shame on me" The frog story is true but it gets to a point that after seeing so many frogs die in the pot, that the newer generations would learn and decide not to get in the pot! This issue in America has been going on for decades. So the powers that be tricked Americans and cooked them slowly; shame on them. But shame on the American people who have allowed themselves to be slowly cooked decade after decade after decade.

I asked this before many times on this forum, and it seems to make people uncomfortable, but I will ask it again. How are you supporting the corrupt systems by using them on a daily or weekly basis? I suspect that question will make many people defensive, becasue people don't like to look in the mirror and take responsibility. They like their conveniences and comforts, and have such a short line of sight when enjoying them. They stay perfectly blind on purpose to the sharks circling their lives. They are just hoping that some sport gladiator will come along and kill the sharks. Otherwise, they will just continue to anesthsize themselves to the horror that is happnening while writing their checks, using their credit cards and debit cards, online banking, making depsoits etc etc etc so the shark gets fatter and fatter. Americans have many ways to keep liberty alive without using guns, walking in marches and calling their congressman, and the last two is just the busy work of a first grader.

Waco was a tradegy. And shame on the American People for allowing it to happen. They didn't speak up, becasue they feel safe in their flock. Did you read my thread about the mob of people watching a man drown and no one did anything? It is just human nature. There is only five percent of the population that isn't programmed to be one of the sheep.


I think the world needs to judge the American people. America stood for freedom. It stood for inalienable rights. It stood for having a government secure those inalienable rights. Our forefathers lives were tortured in securing that freedom for us, and the Americam people let it all go becasue they liked the carrot and ignored the trap; and then accepted the traps. So yes, the world should be judging us becasue we had something of great value and just let it go. Fool me once and shame on you. Fool me twice and shame on me.




Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[blake]

trump will be the spoiler and Obama will be re-elected. just like Ross Perot did. dang billionaires messin with democracy. why can't rich people just stay out of politics and go count their money.
Well apparently they've already got it planned for something along the lines of Obama to be taken out in the first two months of next year, Biden will back down do to "health" reasons, and then they will some how put Hilary Clinton into office. Because even the Speaker Of The House will step aside. That's what I'm hearing on the winds.

Hello DreamsInDigital,

Well I am wonderng if this is just recycled wind becasue those same words were used four years ago. The rumor around that time was they would taken Obama out in the first two months and then things would be juggled around to make Mrs. Clinton President.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

[jackovesk]

trump will be the spoiler and Obama will be re-elected. just like Ross Perot did. dang billionaires messin with democracy. why can't rich people just stay out of politics and go count their money.
Well apparently they've already got it planned for something along the lines of Obama to be taken out in the first two months of next year, Biden will back down do to "health" reasons, and then they will some how put Hilary Clinton into office. Because even the Speaker Of The House will step aside. That's what I'm hearing on the winds.

Hello DreamsInDigital,

Well I am wonderng if this is just recycled wind becasue those same words were used four years ago. The rumor around that time was they would taken Obama out in the first two months and then things would be juggled around to make Mrs. Clinton President.

Sincerely,

Mr. Davis

Yes the info came straight off Kerry Cassidy's Blog site, I saw it there yesterday...

[DreamsInDigital]

I've heard it from several different sources. Whether it's true or not I don't know... but I'm in full agreement with you guys. I just don't see the solution clear enough yet to make any decisions. And, for everything I know from multiple different sides....absolutely something needs to be done, we definitely need to step up into our own individual power and save our own asses. I definitely see a huge amount of change coming this year, but also I see that everything is so unsettled that nothing looks clear to me at all. The ultimate hinge pin in this whole "game" certainly is when (not if) the Cabal/Global Elite fall.

[jeanluck]

Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing? I believe the one's running the asylum want a riot so they can come down hard. The rioters will be smeared in the media just as happened with the "militia" movement in the 90's.

Here are some things that may help:

* Get Informed And inform Others.

* Stop Voting for Democrats and Republicans, except Ron Paul And maybe Dennis kucinich

* Bank Locally

* Buy and Invest Responsibly

* Support the Movement to Audit and End the Federal Reserve

* Keep the Internet Fair & Open

* Support Independent Media

* Support Organic, Non-GMO Farming

* Support Election & Campaign Finance Reform

* Support for Renewable and "Free" Energy

* Support alternative medicine (those who really work).


About Donal Trump: I think the guy felt humiliate by the mayority of the republican candidates after they decided not to show up in the debate which Donal was supposed to host, And now Donal wants to feel Mr. important again. But it could also be a strategy in case the mayority of the people decided to look for a third party.

[Unified Serenity]

Dear United Serenity,

Happy 2012.

I agree with jackovest. The American people have allowed this asylum that you refer. When you wrote:
"Jack, what do you suppose we do? Honestly, what besides marching peacefully in the streets, calling congress, doing what we have been doing?"

If all you can think of is to march peacfully in the street, and calling Congress then that clearly explains how the PEOPLE allowed this mess to happen. Radio shows and community Tv shows are a good tool, if you do them for years, and become a broken record. As someone who understands marketing you also understand how many times the average person needs to hear something before it starts to sink in.

I started a thread called, "Question". It didn't get any traffic but I might bump it up, and may be, if you have time, you might like to take a stab at answering the question that Thomas Jefferson posed.

There have been many threads about the PEOPLE taking responsibility. But they don't seem to be very popular, becasue in my opinion the People don't like to take responsibility. They like to complain, and be taken care of, have someone else do the dirty work. Yes the masses are always looking for a gladiator to fight the lions. But when he dies, they just look forward to the next show as they remain in the audience, but they did buy the ticket!!!! But that is all just my humble opinion. But like Americans get the Congress they deserve, Americans will get the president they deserve.

Remember the saying: " Fool me once and shame on you, fool me twice than shame on me" The frog story is true but it gets to a point that after seeing so many frogs die in the pot, that the newer generations would learn and decide not to get in the pot! This issue in America has been going on for decades. So the powers that be tricked Americans and cooked them slowly; shame on them. But shame on the American people who have allowed themselves to be slowly cooked decade after decade after decade.

I asked this before many times on this forum, and it seems to make people uncomfortable, but I will ask it again. How are you supporting the corrupt systems by using them on a daily or weekly basis? I suspect that question will make many people defensive, becasue people don't like to look in the mirror and take responsibility. They like their conveniences and comforts, and have such a short line of sight when enjoying them. They stay perfectly blind on purpose to the sharks circling their lives. They are just hoping that some sport gladiator will come along and kill the sharks. Otherwise, they will just continue to anesthsize themselves to the horror that is happnening while writing their checks, using their credit cards and debit cards, online banking, making depsoits etc etc etc so the shark gets fatter and fatter. Americans have many ways to keep liberty alive without using guns, walking in marches and calling their congressman, and the last two is just the busy work of a first grader.

Waco was a tradegy. And shame on the American People for allowing it to happen. They didn't speak up, becasue they feel safe in their flock. Did you read my thread about the mob of people watching a man drown and no one did anything? It is just human nature. There is only five percent of the population that isn't programmed to be one of the sheep.


I think the world needs to judge the American people. America stood for freedom. It stood for inalienable rights. It stood for having a government secure those inalienable rights. Our forefathers lives were tortured in securing that freedom for us, and the Americam people let it all go becasue they liked the carrot and ignored the trap; and then accepted the traps. So yes, the world should be judging us becasue we had something of great value and just let it go. Fool me once and shame on you. Fool me twice and shame on me.




Sincerely,

Mr. Davis



It's not that easy to say judge America or do marches. The tea party did them and will do them again, but the media is brutal. LOL ridicule stupid tea baggers..... nice picture there.... here suck my balls you wanker christian assholes. Yesssssssss..... the crowd goes wild!!!! Leftists, comedians, news, 24/7 mockering and we wonder why people don't speak up! Hell, all I have to do is ask a friggin question on someone's thread here to get an explanation and it turns into a friggin firestorm, mockery, rudeness, and crying..... I get lots of pm's and friend requests but not many people.. no more than I can count on one hand usually step in on a thread to stand up and say, "Hey wait a minute, didn't you do that exact thing you are accusing Serenity of doing on X post?"

Oh no no no.... cower from the ridicule...... the bullies play the victim card sooo friggin well and claim to be all love n light. "Oh, there Serenity goes again, she is so mean! She deserves a good smack down...". let me go write that on your board cause it just got deleted from your thread, oops....... crickets chirping is all that's heard. Just because people are not stampeding to share their alternative views and discuss things doesn't mean that everyone agrees with you nor do they agree with me, but damn, no one wants to say anything now. "Oh, I don't wanna get mocked" "Oh, a moderator might publicly chastise me" I can hear the thoughts now. Hell, I've gotten the pm's saying it!

Yes, I am authentically opinionated and express it sometimes harshly, sometimes with some style, but I damn well state it and won't friggin cower. Most American's have been cowed into silence by the politically correct media and bullies who feel they have a right to say whatever the damn well want to and besides if we stand up to them they can just start crying, and then it's all my fault or your fault for calling them out to explain something. So, now there are separate threads, separate chatter, separate this and that an Us. vs Them attitude when I happen to know for a fact that almost everyone here has a huge heart. Almost everyone here has common ground. Almost everyone here would at least piss on me if I were on fire and I'd do the same for you too. (Southern humor if you don't get it, it's well you wont' get it).

My point is we have been trained to separate, fight over petty sh!t, and not discuss things. We've also been trained not to question manipulators.

Peace out

Serenity

[Unified Serenity]

Walks back in, picks up tables, toys, wipes up the drinks off the floor... "Oh... excuse me, pardon.... so sorry.... no really.... ummm blushes, smacks a hand, STOP THAT......" Really, I don't know what happened there...... I spewed, and hope you all understand..... it is how I feel, and I wish we could all put down our armor and talk, but I don't think that will happen. Just no willingness to budge..... I think that is where America is.

[trenairio]

Trump is the very epitome of an American corporate mogul. Republican, as many high business men are. I am all for free enterprise as long as it is not corrupt to the degree as it is in America, such as the suppression of alternative free energy. On the other side of the spectrum, Communist China, abuses it powers, though all the result of big government. Corporate fascism in the states, Communism elsewhere, it's just the NWO global network.

[jackovesk]

Walks back in, picks up tables, toys, wipes up the drinks off the floor... "Oh... excuse me, pardon.... so sorry.... no really.... ummm blushes, smacks a hand, STOP THAT......" Really, I don't know what happened there...... I spewed, and hope you all understand..... it is how I feel, and I wish we could all put down our armor and talk, but I don't think that will happen. Just no willingness to budge..... I think that is where America is.

Don't Worry Yourself about it (US), most Avalonians here know you have a 'Good Heart' and you always express your own "Truth As You Know It"..!

...and if they can't see that (Who gives a Rats-Snooker)...



[I]Let go of the stress in the moment, caused by that situation, people or person that upset you. Breath deep and smile. Consciously attempt to manifest the exact opposite emotional state to that which you are currently experiencing. In life's situations or as you are reading this, allow your face to relax, your body. Smile. Don't be critical. Laugh, if you can.


Great Advice Rahkyt,

Ok now, let me try this...

Relax take a couple of deep breaths Jackovesk, calm yourself and exhale...:horn:

After consulting God on New Years Eve, I asked him "What's the best way to communicate the Truth to people this year..?"

He pondered for a second and replied with this...

Jacko-Son, "Tell-Em all How it Really Is, No Sugar Coating - Tell-Em the Truth as You Know It..! The Good, The Bad & Ugly of it (ALL)..!" "You may upset some, but you will Wake Up many..!"

He parted the night's sky, with a glowing clear bright light and left me with these words...

"There is No Spiritual Mystery Jacko-Son, (Spirituality = Truth & Truth = Spirituality)".

"Make it your No. 1 Priority this Year to Listen to and Act On your Inner Voice".

Happy New Year to (ALL) Avalonians and our 1000,s of Guests, may this be the Year of Truth for Humanity, lets tackle it Head-On together as One guided by the all encompassing Universal Consciousness that is Alive & Well within each and everyone of us..!

Bit of Australian Humor for ya (US)...


Classic 80's comedy song. Joe Dolce was born in Painesville, Ohio USA and has lived in Australia for many years...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFacWGBJ_cs&feature=fvwrel

[Whiskey_Mystic]

I am all for free enterprise as long as it is not corrupt to the degree as it is in America, such as the suppression of alternative free energy.

I think capitalism is a pretty good idea. We should try it.

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I think this catches me in all my moods, spirit, and I think you are a bit like Ares and Hercules Jack:

Though I do have an eye for the naughtyness of Calisto.... Xena is probably more an apt spirit to channel... see I do channel... Ohmmmm

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[rgray222]

You need to understand that Trump was democrat before he became a republican. Trump is for Trump and his time is over. Even if he ran as a third party independent his time has past and his ego has finally made him inconsequential. Trump will self destruct between now and the election. He can no longer help himself, his sense of self importantance is overwhelming even for/to him.

Each generation pushes the boundaries of understanding politics out just a bit further and that has been a good thing. The change that many are attempting to usher in is not one that can sustain itself. Overspending in an attempt to provide more for the citizens is a recipe for eventual civil unrest of proportions we have never seen in this country before.

Promises and programs that cannot be paid for will backfire on the government. The choice becomes how do we pay for them and there are only three options open to the government. Raise taxes (on everybody), raise the price of the service the government is attempting to provide or start cutting major programs from entitlements. Not one is an option that people are willing to accept for a long period of time.

2012 will be a year in which American and many other countries will decide which direction they will go. If it goes in the direction of over providing which is simply another term for overspending than we can expect chaos, anger and some type of rioting. This has already occurred in 2011 but it is not even the tip of the iceberg.

Many believe that we can just stop the wars and that will fill the financial tank back up. It does not work that way because the money to sustain the wars was money that we never had in the first place.

Also the fed can only keep interest rates down for another year (may just a bit longer) at most, when that ends the inflationary spiral that is already well underway will be noticeable to everyone in the country.

We do not need a crystal ball to understand, that higher taxes, fewer services and and higher prices on everything from sugar to socks will cause a great deal of anger. That anger will only escalate as people reflect back on the over-promising and under-delivering of our politicians. When the federal government starts reneging on union pensions that will be a tipping point and it is only a matter of time before it happens. At that point all bets are off on any civility from the citizens. That over promising has already started in a big way and many view it as an out and out lie to the American people. More people will join in as the pain spreads out across all political spectrums.

The blame game for our current problems has already started. Most people do not understand that it is politicians on both sides that want this game to continue and grow. As the rhetoric gets louder and louder and the media joins in the game to accuse one party or the other it takes the entire focus off of where and how the problems actually started. It started with "all" of our politicians, some are more guilty than others but both sides are happy to put salt in the wound, point their fingers and scream foul at the other guys. When the media screams foul at a democrat or a republican they are pointing at "us" the people that put the politicians in office. The debate at every coffee table and every diner across the nation is how can you republicans be so stupid, or how can you democrats act like such idiots, we are arguing among ourselves while the politicians sit on the sideline spending our money, collecting better health care and better retirement programs that all of us will ever have. We are being labeled as the guilty ones. Not one person voted for a democrat or a republican with the thought in mind that I want my politician to spend us into bankruptcy or to steal money, avoid paying their taxes or any other criminal activity (which they call an ethics violation) but the system itself has been corrupted by these people and they seem eager to participate in it!

When the argument between average citizens (democrats and republicans) is not working then the politicians will point the populace in other directions to vent their anger, it will be the rich or the immigrants (legal or illegal) etc etc.

It only stops when people wake up and say we are not going to accept this any more. It takes our anger and our sense of injustice and inequality to push the ship back in the right direction. The media may have told you that your vote does not count but it does and it has been and will be that starting point for all change. It is the only civil way to speak collectively. If that does not work than civil unrest is likely to be the order of the day and in a manner and scale that will scare the daylights out of most people!

[Khaleesi]

Ok, I think this catches me in all my moods, spirit, and I think you are a bit like Ares and Hercules Jack:

Though I do have an eye for the naughtyness of Calisto.... Xena is probably more an apt spirit to channel... see I do channel... Ohmmmm

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Before anyone asks: No, I am not 'Gabrielle' in our relationship

[Unified Serenity]

Ok, I think this catches me in all my moods, spirit, and I think you are a bit like Ares and Hercules Jack:

Though I do have an eye for the naughtyness of Calisto.... Xena is probably more an apt spirit to channel... see I do channel... Ohmmmm

wN2dAQmjWoM

Before anyone asks: No, I am not 'Gabrielle' in our relationship

LOL and neither am I, and no neither of us plays the guy..... walks off laughing.

[GCS1103]

U.S.-

I always smile when I read one of your political posts- you and I are clones.;)

I have the same frustration that you do, and the same that Jackovesk has. We know why the American people "allow" all this to happen- we are all busy living our lives, worrying about our families, paying our bills, etc. Most people will not step away from every day existence to "fight the good fight". Many of us don't have the energy anymore, the courage to walk away from our routines or face the consequences of fighting the PTB (yes, I call them the PTB and not the PTW). We have become a citizenry of worn-down, embattled people that don't know where to turn or who to turn to, for relief. The people running the system count on the fact that we are too busy to take the time to get information on what is really going on in this world. They feed us sound bites and we absorb it all. We here, on avalon, do not represent the average person. Most people categorize us as "conspiracy nuts". We are outside the mainstream of society, to our great frustration. As that wonderful man, George Carlin, said- "there's a reason why all candidates call for education reform and the public school system continues to deteriorate". In reality, both sides want an uneducated-uninformed electorate.

IMHO all the candidates are walking propaganda machines, including Ron Paul. Would he make the best leader for America? I don't know. What I do know is that he will never win the election. He has not the slightest chance of becoming our President. Putting aside his domestic agenda (which I think is great), by virtue of the fact that he has put himself out there as a man against war, he has sealed his fate. Sad, isn't it? As we focus on the election coming up and the MSM write their absurd stories about each candidate and what they did when they were 10 years old, there is war, in the air, in the Middle East. Who's to blame there, is irrelevant. Our attention has been diverted from that area, for a reason. Did you notice that there was barely a mention, in the media, that most of our elected politicans were in Israel, not too long ago? Does the media mention that the IDF now has a new military command, the Strategic Depth Command and that both sides (Israel and Iran) are poised for war? No, the media gives us gossip on the candidates, so we can argue about who is the best of the rotten apples in the Presidential race.

Sorry, for ranting, but what better place than here?

[kcbc2010]

jackoversk: Some of us Americans didn't vote for Obama the first time. A lot of us have been fighting him since 2008. However, the MSM in this country fawn over him like he's Jesus, so it's not like they are going to expose him for the fraud that he is. They are too busy covering his rear. However, a lot of people are waking up to the lies and deceptions. I just wonder sometimes if there are enough of us to get him out of office. This election cycle is going to be "balls to the walls" nasty and a lot of the "good Christian folk" aren't going to be able to deal with it. A lot of us are scared that who ever the Republican nominee will not be willing or able to take the fight to Obama and knock him out.

Thankfully, the international press isn't so delusional about President Obama. I know you complain about your media too, but it's refreshing to see that there are still places where Obama's treated like any other politician would be treated. We need light, not more darkness over here - especially surrounding this election. Please just pray for us. We need awakening desperately.

[WhiteFeather]

Trump is an egotistical P/O $hit-loser with a real bad head of hair, I hope this helps the thread.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-48miyhrsNzk/TXglgelRB1I/AAAAAAAAC08/q3UsTX2uZPk/s1600/Donald-Trump-bad-hair.jpg

http://www.donaldtrumphair.com/thedonald/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Donald-Trump-Bad-Hair-Photo-1.jpg

[jeanluck]

Maybe Donald Trump wants to stop Ron Paul



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[Lochinvar]

I've heard it from several different sources. Whether it's true or not I don't know... but I'm in full agreement with you guys. I just don't see the solution clear enough yet to make any decisions. And, for everything I know from multiple different sides....absolutely something needs to be done, we definitely need to step up into our own individual power and save our own asses. I definitely see a huge amount of change coming this year, but also I see that everything is so unsettled that nothing looks clear to me at all. The ultimate hinge pin in this whole "game" certainly is when (not if) the Cabal/Global Elite fall.

Maybe that is the solution....Non-Compliance. Don't fight wars, don't vote, don't pay tax, don't use paper money (buy silver to bring the banks down) grow your own food....

[Seikou-Kishi]

jackoversk: Some of us Americans didn't vote for Obama the first time. A lot of us have been fighting him since 2008. However, the MSM in this country fawn over him like he's Jesus, so it's not like they are going to expose him for the fraud that he is. They are too busy covering his rear. However, a lot of people are waking up to the lies and deceptions. I just wonder sometimes if there are enough of us to get him out of office. This election cycle is going to be "balls to the walls" nasty and a lot of the "good Christian folk" aren't going to be able to deal with it. A lot of us are scared that who ever the Republican nominee will not be willing or able to take the fight to Obama and knock him out.

Thankfully, the international press isn't so delusional about President Obama. I know you complain about your media too, but it's refreshing to see that there are still places where Obama's treated like any other politician would be treated. We need light, not more darkness over here - especially surrounding this election. Please just pray for us. We need awakening desperately.

I thought any criticism of Obama, validity conveniently brushed aside, was racism? That's how the media would have it, anyway.

[markpierre]

Hey what's a circus without three rings?

And a lead clown.