Ron Paul (2012-2013)

[alienHunter]

Hey Jack,

Is your opinion of me based on more research and analysis?

[christian]

well, this appears to be the appropriate thread:

Bear in mind, that this is not intended in hate...if it is perceived that way...well, we all have our own filters, right?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39684_Stormfront_Founder_Says_White_Supremacists_Thought_Ron_Paul_Was_One_of_Us

If white racists would have to choose a candidate, of course it would be Ron Paul, because all the others are for open boarders, for exporting American industry and productive capacity and for a World Government.

Now does this make Ron Paul a white racist?

Come on mate, practice discernment on this. The proof is in the pudding and Ron Paul made it perfectly clear over and over again that he is not a racist.

And as the establishment throws everything at Ron Paul, they of course dress people up as racists and let them carry Ron Paul signs, it's that easy and has happened before: http://www.theendrun.com/huntsman-complicit-in-false-flag-style-dirty-trick-against-paul

[alienHunter]

That is a very real possibility...As you said, we must all use discernment. Personally, I feel the people quoted in those articles are hardly the kind that my sense of discernment would lend any credibility.



well, this appears to be the appropriate thread:

Bear in mind, that this is not intended in hate...if it is perceived that way...well, we all have our own filters, right?

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/39684_Stormfront_Founder_Says_White_Supremacists_Thought_Ron_Paul_Was_One_of_Us

If white racists would have to choose a candidate, of course it would be Ron Paul, because all the others are for open boarders, for exporting American industry and productive capacity and for a World Government.

Now does this make Ron Paul a white racist?

Come on mate, practice discernment on this. The proof is in the pudding and Ron Paul made it perfectly clear over and over again that he is not a racist.

And as the establishment throws everything at Ron Paul, they of course dress people up as racists and let them carry Ron Paul signs, it's that easy and has happened before: http://www.theendrun.com/huntsman-complicit-in-false-flag-style-dirty-trick-against-paul

[crested-duck]

Every politician gets to the top by paying the dues. And the dues are spending time on your knees with your ass in the air, regardless whether male or female! Seems RP has not spent time on his knees, and we're witnessing the repurcussions for failing to play by the rules.

[Unified Serenity]

All I can say is if someone appears to be a TROLL do not feed them. Just ignore their posts and once they can no longer derail threads and get the attention they want they slowly and without ceremony become unimportant and no longer a player.

[alienHunter]

Hey US,

This is my parting comment...you are as full of **** as any human being I've ever encountered and before it's too late...you can add Paul to that list...you are both dysfunctional human beings masquerading as something else...

[Unified Serenity]

Hey US,

This is my parting comment...you are as full of **** as any human being I've ever encountered and before it's too late...you can add Paul to that list...you are both dysfunctional human beings masquerading as something else...

I am just quoting you so you can't erase your comments which as so often just seem to want to stir up trouble here and really have never offered anything of substance.

[Khaleesi]

Hey US,

This is my parting comment...you are as full of **** as any human being I've ever encountered and before it's too late...you can add Paul to that list...you are both dysfunctional human beings masquerading as something else...

AH, your post has been reported to the mods by me.

[Kerrigan]

"Personally, I feel the people quoted in those articles are hardly the kind that my sense of discernment would lend any credibility." - alienHunter

Hi alienHunter,

I don't know you and I don't wanna be rude so just please hear me out. I think it is a waste of everybody's time if you post thread with articles that yourself don't think is credible.

I know for a fact that MSM is discrediting Ron Paul. Do you know that? If not, please look up infowars.com, they got plenty of videos of direct discrediting. If you do know that, I am REALLY wondering what you are trying to express and the purpose of it.

Peace,

Kerrigan

[Unified Serenity]

I just want to add that as this is AH's signature, it just again displays the intolerance of those who don't like anyone who disagrees with them, and makes me wonder all the more about who's light they are seeking:


"I am Light and Light is all there is. I am here to bring Light
as the only choice for creating life."

[risveglio]

I think it is a fair question. Here is some a list of some evidence. Sorry for the duplication and I can post more if this is not deleted. I have a friend that likes to collect this information to show to his community since he gets this claim all the time.

For those of you on facebook
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Ron-Paul-Racist-Impossible/119222604855996

For the name of the mystery writer of the newsletters
http://www.fox19.com/story/16458700/reality-check-the-name-of-a-mystery-writer-of-one-of-ron-pauls-racist-newsletters#.TwcTv5b-Elg.facebook


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http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/12/five-22-reasons-ron-pauls-not-racist-are-compelling/46753/

http://www.buzzfeed.com/ccbaxter/22-facts-that-dont-jibe-with-ron-paul-being-a-rac-41xp

I'll post more if this thread is still around when I get back.

[ThePythonicCow]

This is my parting comment...
Indeed - it was your parting comment. Two earlier vacations and other efforts by the mods and some members were unsuccessful. Best of luck to you ... somewhere else.

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

All I can say is if someone appears to be a TROLL do not feed them. Just ignore their posts and once they can no longer derail threads and get the attention they want they slowly and without ceremony become unimportant and no longer a player.

You're right US. I always feel like i have to defend RP whenever anyone attacks him because i have found that they are usually misinformed about what he stands for. I have tried to debate with AH so many times and it seems like whenever someone makes a really good point he either ignores it or says something that doesn't make sense so you can't respond to it because you don't know what he's talking about. I gave that guy way too much attention which, as i'm sure you know, is a troll's sustenance. The moral of the story for me is... DNFTTs!!!!!!!!

[kersley]

We are all racist. if you don't think so maybe you need to go back to when it all started and ask why this question is been asked today? all this talk about moving towards enlightenment and ascension will not happen until we as humans on earth make that shift.
Why are we so separated? why don't you understand? what is it you don't understand? yet you believe that you are the chosen few? I say this with complete conviction, we have to change as people of earth. I need you as much as you need me.
Question.. Why should i invite you to live with me when you can't live amongst yourself?

[AlternativeInfoJunkie]

We are all racist. if you don't think so maybe you need to go back to when it all started and ask why this question is been asked today? all this talk about moving towards enlightenment and ascension will not happen until we as humans on earth make that shift.
Why are we so separated? why don't you understand? what is it you don't understand? yet you believe that you are the chosen few? I say this with complete conviction, we have to change as people of earth. I need you as much as you need me.
Question.. Why should i invite you to live with me when you can't live amongst yourself?

I'm not "racist" and i don't see how your post is relevant to this thread. Who are you talking to when you say "you believe that you are the chosen few"? Are you talking to avalonians or humans or what because i don't believe i am. I am just another soul like you and everybody else. "Racism" is actually a "racist" term because it implies that people of different ethnic groups are actually different races of people. We are all one race. The human race. So i guess the term should be ethnicism or nationicism or something. I don't know maybe i misunderstood what you were trying to say but i do resent you saying that we are all "racist". Speak for yourself when you say something like that.

[T Smith]

I don't hate Ron Paul...my niece has lived in his neighborhood for years...I was just putting up information. I explained before what I was doing here. Looking for the truth. I am an advocate of UFO research... I also study 'consciousness', have two bibles on my bookshelf, The New American Bible and The Urantia Book, study forward looking science, free energy, physics AND 1st and foremost despise politics, politicians, and conspiracy theories that hold as their central ideology hate. that's all.

I am a trained engineer/scientist...I do research. What you call research isn't...sorry but I believe in keeping a level playing field, if necessary.



Very good, then. I'm very pleased to hear it. I will expect to see a number of thought-provoking posts from you on each of the subjects you list. Until then, I won't take the anti-Ron Paul stuff all that seriously.

[seantimberwolf]

People from around the world support Ron Paul ,he stands for more than just Americans.
I have noticed your anti RP posts "alienhunter", the thing is with TROLLS mate, is you can smell them before you see them.
And i am called timberwolf for a reason, ;)
Also a word of advice "alienhunter" do not list your "credentials" as long as your arm when you wish to prove a point, if you feel your POV is right you do not have to justify your position to anyone, although you are wrong, i guess your entitled to it.

[daledo]

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[Oouthere]

Funny you don't hear this on talk radio....

Rich

[Star Wonder]

I found this video on Ron Paul. He seems to be a visionary. Pass it on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tLX_6rgvbEU#!

[Kerrigan]

Awesome video, and what accurate predictions from Ron Paul!

[Ol' Roy]

If the United States had a nation of Avalonians, Ron Paul will be our next President! IMHO

[aquamarine]

i wish ron paul was in the uk xx for humanity sakes vote for ron paul please america , everybody world wide needs to be free, i don't know how everybody here feels but maybe he's our voice ???? blessed be aquamarine

[crested-duck]

As much as I wish he could be the next president, it's just not going to happen. The reason is: the british oligarcy is running the USA, and the oligarchy would rather kill off 7 billion people with WW3, rather than give up the corrupt control of the USA nukes. The oligarchy has alreaddy chosen our next pres and there is not a damn thing we can do about it, short of a civil war, which would be stopped by enacting marshall law, and killing the truely honest and patriotic citizens that try to stop them.

[Star Wonder]

One reason Ron Paul is overlooked is because of the military industrial complex. Bomb making is a major driver of the US economy. Ron Paul is anti hate, and unfortunately Americans thrive on hate.

Ron Paul does have a good chance of winning, if we are his media. Get the word out!!!

[Douglass]

Ron Paul can win! He is the figure head for a revolution of freedom in the states and the whole world.

Ron Paul 2012!

[aquamarine]

thankyou Douglass and Star Wonder, the people need to get behind this man, unity is the only way forward and peace for all, and he's the only one who is talking sense and logic, i have a very good feeling about him and he was needed yesteryearsago, world wide we need to stand together, and shout at the top of our voices . blessed be aquamarine xx

[Silo]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFLd_H3AZCA

WoW !

[crosby]

he isn't related to the oligarchy......
regards, corson

[David Trd1]

He is ''overlooked'' by the establishment because he is a man of integrity,uncorruptible and threatens the entire paradigm of the elite and how they run america.He truly believes in the constitution,i mean truly,which is extraordinarily rare in american politicians these days.

He must shame other politicans that don`t have his courage and honesty.

[Star Wonder]

thankyou Douglass and Star Wonder, the people need to get behind this man, unity is the only way forward and peace for all, and he's the only one who is talking sense and logic, i have a very good feeling about him and he was needed yesteryearsago, world wide we need to stand together, and shout at the top of our voices . blessed be aquamarine xx

You are so right! I am just a quiet plain citizen. I am not involved in his campaign. I am not rich. I am a nobody. But I have a voice and a keyboard. If we had had more people like Ron Paul in the congress for years, our country would have been very rich indeed. I have watched all of the debates so far, and no one has the insight that he has.

[Star Wonder]

He is ''overlooked'' by the establishment because he is a man of integrity,uncorruptible and threatens the entire paradigm of the elite and how they run america.He truly believes in the constitution,i mean truly,which is extraordinarily rare in american politicians these days.

He must shame other politicans that don`t have his courage and honesty.

So very true! That is why he needs us. We are his channel. We are his link. Spread the word with dignity. Ron Paul can win! Don't even doubt it!

[David Trd1]

As much as I wish he could be the next president, it's just not going to happen. The reason is: the british oligarcy is running the USA, and the oligarchy would rather kill off 7 billion people with WW3, rather than give up the corrupt control of the USA nukes. The oligarchy has alreaddy chosen our next pres and there is not a damn thing we can do about it, short of a civil war, which would be stopped by enacting marshall law, and killing the truely honest and patriotic citizens that try to stop them.


While its not likely,he could do it and if not i think he has driven and being a catalyst for a movement that could/will produce a candidate/president with similar ideals and positions as RP.

Its exponential at the moment and recruiting more and more supporters and will continue now.The cats out of the bag for the elite and they know it.There will be a tipping point maybe not this time,but soon.They only have power as long as we acquiesce so to say it will never happen is a little defeatest although rightly pragmatic at the same time

I`m not american and looking inward at the country even 6-7 years ago a pres candidate with views like RP still being in contention at this stage would`ve been unthinkable this and that is very promising,Half full or half empty,who knows but it is still most encouraging.
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At the same time nothing is impossible,nothing:)

Peace.:)

[Douglass]

The establishment is shaking in their boots at the Ron Paul/ Rand Paul (his son a Kentucky senator) Liberty movement. We are only 2 states deep into the primaries and Ron Paul has demonstrated huge support especially in NH when he was only a few percentages behind Romney. In just about any state Ron Paul can bring easily 1 000 000 bucks just from grassroots donations in a few days. IN 2008 RON PAUL BEAT OBAMA IN DONATIONS FROM ACTIVE MILITARY. Americans want out of these tragic wars, they want their troops home to DEFEND our borders, not to be invading other countries doin the bidding of corporate fascists. The sky is limit. PRAYERS AND SUPPORT FOR RON PAUL !!!

"An idea whos time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4mTx96Eag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g

Please consider watching the videos. very inspiring.

[Star Wonder]

The establishment is shaking in their boots at the Ron Paul/ Rand Paul (his son a Kentucky senator) Liberty movement. We are only 2 states deep into the primaries and Ron Paul has demonstrated huge support especially in NH when he was only a few percentages behind Romney. In just about any state Ron Paul can bring easily 1 000 000 bucks just from grassroots donations in a few days. IN 2008 RON PAUL BEAT OBAMA IN DONATIONS FROM ACTIVE MILITARY. Americans want out of these tragic wars, they want their troops home to DEFEND our borders, not to be invading other countries doin the bidding of corporate fascists. The sky is limit. PRAYERS AND SUPPORT FOR RON PAUL !!!

"An idea whos time has come cannot be stopped by any army or any government"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC4mTx96Eag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohKz9OeiI0g

Please consider watching the videos. very inspiring.

Awesome videos--thank you.

It is becoming more likely that Ron Paul can win. More people need to hear his message. To many see that he wants to cut back on the wars, and they think he is weak, but he is not weak at all. He has the courage to uphold the ideals of our forefathers. We can not put up with this media driven circus anymore. Ron Paul needs our help. He needs for us to speak up like the audience did at the South Carolina debate last night. The audience yelled at the moderator to let Paul answer two different times when the moderator overlooked Paul.

[Ba-ba-Ra]

As much as I wish he could be the next president, it's just not going to happen. The reason is: the british oligarcy is running the USA, and the oligarchy would rather kill off 7 billion people with WW3, rather than give up the corrupt control of the USA nukes. The oligarchy has alreaddy chosen our next pres and there is not a damn thing we can do about it, short of a civil war, which would be stopped by enacting marshall law, and killing the truely honest and patriotic citizens that try to stop them.

crested-duck, That's exactly what they want you to believe, because TPTB know that in order to see it you have to first believe it ~ so, they have made a real campaign out of convincing us that you can't fight City Hall. Not that we want to "fight it", but you get what I mean. They want us to feel defenseless, as if the cards will always be stacked against us ~ and that is how they have kept the cards stacked against us.

But we are waking up in huge numbers. Look at the huge numbers who are behind RP this time compared to his last run for president. His agenda is the same ~ it is the masses who have changed and in a good way.

[Lifebringer]

Because the corporate Republican warmongerers are the majority of the party who represent current warmonger voters. So although Ron Paul is a Social Conservative Libertarian, he doesn't have enough support from the party he's attached to. Had he built a base of Libertarian leaning Republicans, he might have stood a fair chance, but they make sure through the purity of party, not too many of them get in. Just ask Ron Paul, why there is ONLY one like him? He'll tell you. I really think if he would have done Libertarian base building for the 10 terms of serving he would have had at least half the party as social conservative libertarian, but he didn't and now he's so old, he may not get the chance. His son doesn't have the same beliefs, just KKK backing. Those are Rands friends he used to bring home.

[robinr1]

Because the corporate Republican warmongerers are the majority of the party who represent current warmonger voters. So although Ron Paul is a Social Conservative Libertarian, he doesn't have enough support from the party he's attached to. Had he built a base of Libertarian leaning Republicans, he might have stood a fair chance, but they make sure through the purity of party, not too many of them get in. Just ask Ron Paul, why there is ONLY one like him? He'll tell you. I really think if he would have done Libertarian base building for the 10 terms of serving he would have had at least half the party as social conservative libertarian, but he didn't and now he's so old, he may not get the chance. His son doesn't have the same beliefs, just KKK backing. Those are Rands friends he used to bring home.



do u have any basis for the last part of your post? imo his beliefs are very very similar...he just realizes that sadly.......u have to play the game to ever be president...something his father isnt willing to do.

[T Smith]

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[jackovesk]

What Is It About Ron Paul?

Here's another word to add to 'Soul' & that word is...

'TRUTH'

[kcbc2010]

Because the corporate Republican warmongerers are the majority of the party who represent current warmonger voters. So although Ron Paul is a Social Conservative Libertarian, he doesn't have enough support from the party he's attached to. Had he built a base of Libertarian leaning Republicans, he might have stood a fair chance, but they make sure through the purity of party, not too many of them get in. Just ask Ron Paul, why there is ONLY one like him? He'll tell you. I really think if he would have done Libertarian base building for the 10 terms of serving he would have had at least half the party as social conservative libertarian, but he didn't and now he's so old, he may not get the chance. His son doesn't have the same beliefs, just KKK backing. Those are Rands friends he used to bring home.

Actually, another congressman to watch is Justin Amash from R-MI. He's endorsed Ron and he's not a reliable vote for the Michigan Delegation. They are trying to find someone to run against him in the primary because he is more libertarian that social conservative. (And he's barely 30 which means he'll be around for a while!)

In any case, libertarian-leaning Republicans are few and far between. That's why he draws votes from Dems/Independents/other Parties because this is where a lot of the Republicans went after they left the Party. The Party is a lot more conservative than it was 10 or 15 years ago. Even I come off as a moderate nowadays (which is disturbing to me) because I just can't go along with the some of the views that are dominant in the Party now.

A lot of his voters are young (under 40). Libertarianism wasn't a strong movement in the 80's/90's because of the so-called "culture" wars. His message may have resonated with a few, but it's easy to see why his message resonates now because the US went insane after 9-11. People want their freedoms back and it's hard to argue about personal/civil liberties when it doesn't seem like your freedoms are being taken away.

And, there's only one Ron Paul because his soul that is currently using that body.

[grannyfranny100]

Ron Paul has a long history of principled professionalism that has even influenced the flip flopper candidates. Notice how they have adopted some of his ideas when they think it will bring them supporters and dropped his ideas when it suits them, too. They are all puppeteers fueling the ideas (fascism and corporate capitalism) of the behind the scene rulers. The bevy of candidates are so stupid, inept and unorganized that only two candidates will appear on the VA primary ballot (Romney and Paul). The rest are just window dressing and entertainment so the masses will believe they have a choice.

Paul has walked the halls of Congress long enough to see the growing corruption of both parties and he understands it has levels beyond the average person Joe Six Pack mind set. He knows the drug issue at many levels. For example, he has got to know that the CIA has been using drug profits to underwrite secret government projects that the powers to be don't want examined by Congress and known by the public. Legalizing drugs will cut off that money supply. Moreover, legalizing drugs will end the judicial racism of victimless crimes.

Dr.Paul has been very bold with the End the Fed investigations because he knows that the country's money supply is being misappropriated and sucked out of the country for the greed impulses of the powers that be. He understands the interlacing of the Fed directors, Wall Street power brokers and international movers and shakers.

Moreover, Dr. Paul understands that the mainstream media is extremely corrupt and a mouth piece for the powers that be so they can mind control the sleeping masses. He is very direct with his website issue presentations for those that will take time to read them and rally around his traditional values. he doesn't sugar coat his positions to gain more supporters. He is frank about his positions whether one agrees with all his positions or not.

It must have been an extremely tough decision for him to run for the Presidency at an age when he could be relaxing. And I'm sure he is more acutely aware of the struggle he faces if be becomes president because he has been in Congress for years and understands the odds of building consensus with the people who are elected to represent us but just represent their own bought and paid for interests.

God bless him for undertaking such a colossal challenge. Whether we agree with all his positions or not, he is not corruptible.

[crested-duck]

I do plan to go and vote for RP in my local NC primary in May. Will he win? I really do'nt think TPTB will let it happen, but by voting I will at least make myself feel like I tried to do the right thing. Any body remember back to Ross Perro and how TPTB took him out in the primaries when he ran ? RP is getting the Ross Perro treatment this time .

[Lost Soul]

The media marginalizes him to dissuade the electorate from supporting him. I think he is the only supporter of the Constitution in either major parties in our one party system.

[David Trd1]

if by intelligent,well read,experienced,rational,consistent and full of integrity.....

well i suppose yes he must be the most insane man in america.....

:):):)

Peace.

[seantimberwolf]

I would give an arm to have an English politician like this man, no scrap that ill settle for half his intelligence in a politician.
That would be a monumental improvement instead of the capitalist Conservative Cameron who cares about as much as i believe he is capable.

Sean

[grapevine]

I read that Rick Perry will be the next President . . . only because he has attended Bilderberg meetings. Let's hope this is wrong as Ron Paul seems so much the better candidate . . . .

[crested-duck]

Ron Paul has a long history of principled professionalism that has even influenced the flip flopper candidates. Notice how they have adopted some of his ideas when they think it will bring them supporters and dropped his ideas when it suits them, too. They are all puppeteers fueling the ideas (fascism and corporate capitalism) of the behind the scene rulers. The bevy of candidates are so stupid, inept and unorganized that only two candidates will appear on the VA primary ballot (Romney and Paul). The rest are just window dressing and entertainment so the masses will believe they have a choice.

Paul has walked the halls of Congress long enough to see the growing corruption of both parties and he understands it has levels beyond the average person Joe Six Pack mind set. He knows the drug issue at many levels. For example, he has got to know that the CIA has been using drug profits to underwrite secret government projects that the powers to be don't want examined by Congress and known by the public. Legalizing drugs will cut off that money supply. Moreover, legalizing drugs will end the judicial racism of victimless crimes.

Dr.Paul has been very bold with the End the Fed investigations because he knows that the country's money supply is being misappropriated and sucked out of the country for the greed impulses of the powers that be. He understands the interlacing of the Fed directors, Wall Street power brokers and international movers and shakers.

Moreover, Dr. Paul understands that the mainstream media is extremely corrupt and a mouth piece for the powers that be so they can mind control the sleeping masses. He is very direct with his website issue presentations for those that will take time to read them and rally around his traditional values. he doesn't sugar coat his positions to gain more supporters. He is frank about his positions whether one agrees with all his positions or not.

It must have been an extremely tough decision for him to run for the Presidency at an age when he could be relaxing. And I'm sure he is more acutely aware of the struggle he faces if be becomes president because he has been in Congress for years and understands the odds of building consensus with the people who are elected to represent us but just represent their own bought and paid for interests.

God bless him for undertaking such a colossal challenge. Whether we agree with all his positions or not, he is not corruptible. I really do agree with you and this post. But at the same time that is exactly why the british oligarchy controlled govt. will do everything possible to defeat him. And do'nt forget even if he wins popular vote, the electoral college is the final vote, and it's corrupted too. You just cannot win at a rigged carnival game, make no mistake the whole system is rigged against him. And we all know it, whether we want to face it or not. But positive dreaming is a natural response too.

[GlassSteagallfan]

Is Ron Paul an Isolationist as Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum Claim?

Both Newt Gingrich and Rick Santorum have accused Ron Paul of being an isolationist. Is that really the case? Ironically, I propose that Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, and Rick Santorum are the isolationists.

However, before one can make a case for or debate anything, there must be an agreement on terms and an understanding of what isolationist means.

The best place to start is a compelling article written by Sheldon Richman on the Future of Freedom Foundation website.

Opposing Imperialism Is Not Isolationism

I am going to take liberty and post Richman's Opposing Imperialism Is Not Isolationism in entirety. If he objects, I will condense it down. Here goes.


When pundits and rival politicians call Ron Paul an “isolationist,” they mislead the American people — and they know it.

They know it? How could they not: Ron Paul is for unilateral, unconditional free trade. He believes any American should be perfectly free to buy from or sell to any person in the world. In that sense — the laissez-faire sense — he favors globalization, which, applied consistently, would require a worldwide free market. He’s such a strong advocate of free trade that he objects to the world’s governments, led by the U.S. government, setting up international bureaucracies, such as the World Trade Organization, to manage trade. He thinks trade should be a totally private matter. That’s a solid classical-liberal, or libertarian, position.

So why is Paul repeatedly called an isolationist?

Apparently in today’s political world, being an isolationist means opposing the U.S. government’s policing the rest of the world through invasion, occupation, and war — that is, militarism. The word “isolationist” has always suggested a fear of foreigners, and no doubt those who apply the word to Paul want to cash in on that sense. So we are left with the daffy conclusion that Ron Paul is a xenophobic, head-in-the-sand isolationist precisely because he prefers peaceful trade with foreigners rather than invasion, occupation, and demolition of their countries.

If that’s what it means to be an isolationist, count me as one too.

It’s easy to understand why this inappropriate label is stuck on Paul. Establishment conservatives and progressives are terrified by him and desperately want him to go away. They’re terrified because he has done the worst thing imaginable: he has held up a mirror and reminded them of what they are.
He has shown establishment conservatives and even so-called Republican moderates (such as Mitt Romney and Jon Huntsman) that they are, and long have been, apologists for empire and therefore betrayers of the republican (small-r) ideals they say they embrace. When Paul condemns past, present, and future aggressive wars (such as the one being planned for Iran); when he calls for closing America’s 900 military installations in over 40 countries and removing America's troops from 130 countries; when he advocates an end to all economic and military aid to foreign governments (including Israel’s); and when he opposes wholesale violation of the Bill of Rights (see the PATRIOT Act and the National Defense Authorization Act), he is saying to his Republican rivals, You have helped destroy individual liberty by shamefully supporting the U.S. global empire, which brutalizes foreign populations, fosters an exploitative military-industrial complex, violates civil liberties, and burdens the American people with obscene debt, taxation, and Federal Reserve monetary manipulation.

That charge must be hard to take from a fellow Republican. So his rivals strike back in the way they know best: they smear Paul. The thought of a staunch antiwar, pro-Bill of Rights candidate running against Barack Obama scares the daylights out of them, because they know only one way to run against a Democrat: accuse him of being an appeaser and a socialist.

This is absurd, however, because Obama is neither. He has steadfastly carried on the empire’s program of global militarism and corporatism. If you doubt it, look at his foreign-policy record and the long list of Wall Street people who advise him and give him money.

Which brings us to the progressives. If you think establishment conservatives are scared of Ron Paul, imagine how Obama and his supporters must feel. Can you imagine their having to run against a staunch antiwar, pro-Bill of Rights opponent? This is the same Obama who has maintained Guantanamo, launched more deadly drone attacks than George W. Bush, signed into law the authority to detain individuals indefinitely without charge or trial, claimed he may kill even American citizens without due process, cracked down harshly on whistle-blowers, protected torturers from legal consequences, invoked state secrets to quash lawsuits by torture victims, and on and on.
Most progressives live in a fantasy world where they are champions of peace, tolerance, and the rule of law, when in fact they support — and refuse to criticize — a man who has mimicked George W. Bush in virtually every way.

How can they tolerate a man — Ron Paul — who reminds them of that?

Sheldon Richman is senior fellow at The Future of Freedom Foundation in Fairfax, Va., author of Tethered Citizens: Time to Repeal the Welfare State, and editor of The Freeman magazine. Visit his blog Free Association at www.sheldonrichman.com. Send him email.


Source and more: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2012/01/is-ron-paul-isolationist-as-newt.html

[grannyfranny100]

But how does one convince the public that they have been brainwashed?

[crested-duck]

But how does one convince the public that they have been brainwashed? You cannot fix stupidity no matter how hard you try . Just plant a seed of truth and walk away, at least you'll know you gave it a try.

[Ron Mauer Sr]

I remember seeing Ron Paul describe himself as a non-interventionalist into other countries affairs.

[treeman]

A lovely American customer said to me that the way he viewed the Republican battle is:
Mitt Romney to be voted in because of his religious ties/ following who would then lose to
Barack Obama. B.Obama who will then serve a second term.
How is Ron Paul ever going to get a look in when he doesn't sing from the same
(Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld) Republican
hymn sheet, his ideas are far to liberal, so does that mean he needs to isolate himself to stand
alone(Independent)?? I would love to see him win but just can't see how he can muster the support??

[moontime]

I was passing through Chattanooga, TN today when I spotted this message on a billboard in black and white. "Why the media blackout of Ron Paul?" I truly believe that RP has as many supporters as anybody. For whatever reason that has not translated in caucus wins yet.
I have noticed that every political story on yahoo either barely mentions RP or not at all. But then when you read the comments posted, he is the overwhelming favorite. Most people I have talked to support him. Surely he is about to pick up some steam. I was just wondering if anyone else has seen similar billboards in other locations?

Hope everyone is safe and doing well

[SomaSmith]

Unfortunately, I haven't seen any around here.

I listened to the Dianne Rehm show today on NPR and she had a couple of guests on talking about the GOP. Romney and Gingrich were really the only two candidates they talked about. Many of the callers to the show were Ron Paul supporters and after EVERY one the subject was quickly changed back to Romngrick! All the while the "Romngrick" topics were one story after another of very subtle and smoothly spoken stories of all of the atrocities they have committed.

After soaking up the whole show I came to the conclusion that NPR being a "left" leaning (I hate to use those labels) program was painting a picture of the "dirty republican candidates" to try to appeal to those who still believe Obama is the savior. All the while completely and fanatically ignoring anything to do with Ron Paul because R.P. is a threat to the whole Left - Right system and appeals to many people across all social lines.

[moontime]

Very true SomaSmith. The left and right are saying there is no room for the middle. Florida is next and will be hopefully a turning point.

[FutureHumanDestiny]

But how does one convince the public that they have been brainwashed?

dump a bucket of cold water on them. shock them out of their trance.

it's cheaper than putting a hammer through their TV's, and it's more fun, too.

-dale

[kcbc2010]

Non-intervention is different than being an isolationist; however, most in the Republican Party don't see a difference because both threaten the paradigms they've created. Either you are for us or against us. That's all you really need to know about modern politics in America. Both parties are radicalized and nothing good can come from it.

[kcbc2010]

Florida is a winner-take-all state, so Paul isn't spending much time there. He's focusing his efforts in other states because they are proportional - meaning that even if he doesn't win, then he could still win delegates.

We all know that the media has an agenda, so why should it be so surprising that they don't talk about someone who's a threat to their agenda?

[Calz]

Ron Paul Will Win In The End

by Jay Weidner


“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”
--Arthur Schopenhauer


Ron Paul will win in the end. That’s right. It doesn’t matter anymore how the criminals in charge try to change the vote, or how they conjure lies and attack him and his ideas. None of that is going to work anymore.

Don’t get me wrong. There is no way in hell that Ron Paul will win his quest for the Presidency. The corporate criminals and their toadies in the media will never let that happen. They will do everything they can to squash Ron Paul and his ideas.

Who has the uncanny ability to unite Rush Limbaugh, Rachel Maddow, Dick Morris, Bill Clinton, Sean Hannity, Keith Olbermann, MSNBC, Fox News, CNN, CBS, NBC, ABC, The New York Times, Move On, Media Matters?

Answer: Ron Paul. Why does he unite everyone on the left and right? What is it about Ron Paul that unites the media?

Ron Paul and his movement are a direct result of the Internet. The Internet also showed the thinking people of the world that there is a corporate criminal mafia and it is in charge of everything. It owns the military, the media, the religions, the educational system the banks and most of the major corporations.

This revelation that we are ruled by a small group of corporate criminals is the real fuel behind Ron Paul.

When one carefully deconstructs Ron Paul’s positions one discovers a consistent and focused cohesion. Just underneath the facts and positions that he lays out is the driving reality that we are being run by this small group of criminals. Ron Paul is waaaay too smart to admit this in public. The idea of this criminal cabal is still taboo.

No Ron Paul refuses to actually name the criminals or even admit that they exist. That’s cool. That is a good way to keep your head intact. Look at the last two guys to go after this criminal network; their initials are JFK and RFK. So don’t expect him to be a 911 Truther or speak openly about this group of criminals. That’s asking too much.

But every single one of his positions is designed to obliterate this criminal network. When looking at Ron Paul it is necessary to completely remove your ideology goggles. One of the ways that the Internet is waking us up to is the fact that our ideologies, beliefs and protocols have all been given to us, invented by, this criminal network that now threatens our very existence. Examining his positions it is easy to see that Ron Paul knows and understands who is really ruling us. He has worked it out and his positions are really the only way out of the mess we are in. The criminal network has worked its way into almost every institution that exists. Understanding that it becomes clear that the only way out of the current predicament is too get rid of almost all of the institutions that exist.

That would be schools, militaries, large bloated federal programs, foreign aid and a lot more. These institutions exist almost solely to keep the masses in line and stupefied as to the existence of the criminal cabal. These institutions are not there for the reasons that they claim to but they exist because they are tools of the criminal network. Our schools don’t teach us how to think, but what to think, our military is not there to make us safe, but to invade and steal the possessions of other countries for this criminal network.

Ron Paul articulates positions that, if put into effect, would eventually undermine this criminal network. Once we can remove the shackles of this cabal we will come to understand how much wealth we really have. When that moment comes a lot of our current unsolvable problems will become solvable.

It is beyond imagination to even begin to realize how much of the world’s wealth has been stolen by this criminal network. They have perverted everything, distorting our economies, our cultures, our values, and our spiritual beliefs. They have contaminated everything. It is only through the dissolution of this network can we truly discover what we have and who we are.

Ron Paul understands this perfectly. He is outlining exactly the path that we must collectively take in order to set things right.

Now the divisions will appear. We will soon see who is for getting rid of the criminal cabal and who is for keeping it. Because of the Internet and Ron Paul it will become apparent who really understands what is going on and who does not have a clue. Those people who refuse to join the new media, those people who insist on staying spoon fed by the criminal corporate media will find themselves on the wrong side of history.

At this point Arthur Schopenhauer famous quote on the way ideas progress through a culture needs to be reviewed:

“All truth passes through three stages:
First it is ridiculed;
Second it is violently opposed;
Third, it is accepted as self evident.”


In 2008 the media ridiculed Ron Paul and his positions. Fox News wouldn’t allow him to appear at their Republican Debate resulting in a rain of snowballs coming down on Sean Hannity as he tried to get into the building housing the debate. Fox News reasoned that Ron Paul wasn’t a serious candidate, that he was a joke. Four years later we can see that actually Fox News is an arm of the criminal network and they saw what Ron Paul was doing and it scared them. That is the real reason he was not invited to the debate.

If 2008 was the year of ridicule, 2012 will be the year of violent opposition. The same media that ridiculed Ron Paul also let Barrack Obama have a free ride to the White House. As soon as he got into office Obama, not really understanding the cultural swing, tried to implement old and failed ideas. Even though he ran as the wave of the future he was really just an agent of the past. Obama’s Presidency proved that this criminal network controlled everyone at the top. How else to explain his actions? That realization also fueled Ron Paul’s ascendance.

It is 2012 now and we are moving to phase two of Schopenhauer’s progression of ideas. Now we can see that the corporate criminal class is working overtime to hold power.

Obama invades Libya without a squawk from the formerly ‘anti-war’ Left. Obama signs legislation giving the President the power to assassinate American citizens and no one in the criminal media says a word.

Now they are coming after the Internet. The ‘violently opposed’ segment is now upon us. 2012 is the most dangerous time because a cornered mad dog is the most dangerous. And we are cornering this dog. The establishment, both left and right, would not be so unified in their condemnation of Paul if he and his ideas did not represent a very real threat.

But here’s the thing: Ron Paul has already won. Though they will try to impose a police state on us to stop him, though they will invade other countries without a peep of protest, though they will assassinate and destroy all who oppose them, we should all realize that phase three of Schopenhauer’s progression is still waiting to occur.

When the corporate criminal network and their control of the entire planet become self evident, and that is happening right now, the ideas that Ron Paul is espousing will begin to take hold. As we wake up and see what is really happening, we will also see that there is only one way out of this trap. Then Ron Paul and his ideas will begin to become self-evident.

In four years these ideas will go mainstream. That is a guarantee. Soon it will be vogue to discuss the criminal network and how to get rid of them. They cannot stop what is happening and furthermore - they know it. Their behavior is going to become increasingly bizarre as they are exposed.

Psychopaths think that they are invisible, that no one sees what they are really doing. But the Internet is ripping that curtain back as the entire psychopathic criminal network can be seen in all of its vast ugliness.

We need to get rid of it as fast as possible. It is killing all of us.


http://www.jayweidner.com/RonPaulWillWin.html


[sorry ... just cannot get enough of this one ...]


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[Kendall]

Well said Calz.

[ROMANWKT]

I dont know whats with you guys and Ron Paul, its a game, Hes one of them, he wouldn't be this far if he wasn't, and the same in the UK, your barking up the wrong tree/person. its all has to finish, him, his son, and check the father, all has to change, all new blood only.

regards
roman

[crested-duck]

It's nice to see I'm not the only one that feels that way too. Thanks for speaking out ROMANWKT ! I posted a few days ago it's just the newest version of GOOD COP&BAD COP games. They all SUCK BIG TIME and NONE are qualified to be the leader of anything except maybe a public toilet . The only man qualified and deserving of being pres. is too old, and it is Lyndon LaRouch.

[moontime]

plus Ron Paul knows jedi mind tricks

[applecrusher1992]

It is not necessarily the man, I could care less about him, but about his ideas and what they mean. I don't agree with everything but I still like him because he is honest and believes in what he says. To me he is sincere and his ideas just spark that part in my heart that says they are right. He may be part of the system but he has fought against it. If Bill and Kerry got as far as they did in proving information what makes you think Ron Paul could not have been elected to House of Reps honestly.

[Sirius White]

I am watching him closely.

Knowing how things work it is very hard to get anywhere near any sort of winning position in a system that is virtually locked sealed tight. If they don't assassinate, they just replace/clone/double and "reprogram." They have done it to a few presidents already.

He could be the ULTIMATE Trojan Horse, even worse than Obama IF he somehow ends up being the opposite of what what think he is (either from his free will, or mind control). OR It could lead to GREAT things.

Either way I think some of the Elite are in a pickle as he does pose a problem with the momentum he's gained within people's minds.

Just remember the Elite aren't just 2 steps ahead, but at least 10. And they don't just kill two birds with one stone, but 20. So everything they do secures various aspects that they need/want. Right now they are working hard in usurping the truth/alternative movement.

By the way, that video is PURE AWESOMENESS. Thanks for posting :)

[Jeffrey]

I dont know whats with you guys and Ron Paul, its a game, Hes one of them, he wouldn't be this far if he wasn't, and the same in the UK, your barking up the wrong tree/person. its all has to finish, him, his son, and check the father, all has to change, all new blood only.

regards
roman

I think it is hasty to make assumptions like this using this type of unwitting logic. He's not one of them, do your research and you will see that he sticks out like a thorn in their side.

[meeradas]

It's not the man - it is what he stood & stands for.
And that is what moves his supporters [planetwide].
People crave integrity, accountability, and no more bs.
Even themselves, individually.
I see all of his supporters to be making a statement on their own behalf:
"I am going to cut the crap now - for good."

It's time for this idea.
Can't kill this idea anymore. This is not the sixties.
Thus, even if RP doesn't win the election, Cal is spot-on with the topic of this thread.
It's unstoppable.
He's won already.

[modwiz]

It's not the man - it is what he stood & stands for.
And that is what moves his supporters [planetwide].
People crave integrity, accountability, and no more bs.
Even themselves, individually.
I see all of his supporters to be making a statement on their own behalf:
"I am going to cut the crap now - for good."

It's time for this idea.
Can't kill this idea anymore. This is not the sixties.
Thus, even if RP doesn't win the election, Cal is spot-on with the topic of this thread.
It's unstoppable.
He's won already.

I am in complete agreement with you Meeradas. Supporting him is now a rallying cry, an acknowledgement of a broken system. It is a signal to each other that we see the bigger picture and know there are no political parties. There are only criminals now and two basic crime families in America, Dems and Repubs, and neither of them have our back except to insert a knife. Supporting anybody besides him is indicative of being out of touch with reality and still believing in Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy. We reject the reality that offers us anybody who supports the Fed and business as usual.

This is about a symbol, not a man. Most are starting to see that also.

[Referee]

I have begun working for the campaign here in WA State. It is all about the delagates!

RON PAUL !

Love and Light

Referee

[Buchanan561]

They are all planning on civil war bursting out in the Unites States. And they have set their plans with all the concentration campos set up and in full operation from what I read. They will fill those camps with the 99% protestors and then if we are still here on this planet when it comes to real election times and they fraud all the election tabulations and claim their 'man' won but every election box turning out fraudlent election results, and they are already doing that, that is when the civil war here in the states will start. It will be over elections and the corrupt people who guard and count the votes lie and do very evil things with the tabulations, that is when civil disruptions will take over nation wide. The question is, will we still be here when those days roll around? Good to see you here Modwiz and Calz_Avaretard . Two sound minds of which I am always in alignment with. Just feels good to see your 'signatures' on this thread which shows what I am seeing everywhere. Ron Paul will win but they will cheat the tabulations and then we will be at war. That is if we have not all left this planet before that. And I think we could. Time is getting very short as I can feel it as I bounce around from one state into another. Emma (always crazy)

[Buchanan561]

If Ron Paul does get elected he will not change everything right away. He will put in place gradual changes so that the elderly and displaced people will not be left out in the cold. There are promises of lots of gold to be here to support all the people of the world , it the world stays here and has not evolved. We will have to wait and see but I know Ron Paul would not put in drastic changes right off. But he would get rid of the Federal Reserve. and their banks, and the income Tax which was illegal to begin with, and let the people be free. Only time will tell what awaits us, one thing I know, is that the people will go to war over elections. I think his son would jump in to help him run the country. I have been watching him and he seems to be like his father. That meaning honest as the day is long in comparison of all the other crooks in the congress and Senate and all the other politicians. all crooks. Emma

[conk]

I dont know whats with you guys and Ron Paul, its a game, Hes one of them, he wouldn't be this far if he wasn't, and the same in the UK, your barking up the wrong tree/person. its all has to finish, him, his son, and check the father, all has to change, all new blood only.

regards
romanI disagree Roman. Ron Paul is a true stateman. The elites do not have complete control. They have tremendous influence, but not complete control of everything and everyone. There are still men like Dr. Paul who work to better the country, not dismantle it. Look hard and you will find few contridictions regarding Dr. Paul. You find mountains of them with any other candidate.

And as others said, it's the principles and ideas he espouses that I embrace.

[jackovesk]

January 26, 2012

Alex speaks with “Blue Republican” Robin Koerner about campaigning for Ron Paul.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMG0Nn3JrU&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oMG0Nn3JrU&feature=player_embedded


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0k5gpPHHgs&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0k5gpPHHgs&feature=player_embedded

http://www.prisonplanet.com/ron-pauls-secret-weapon-blue-republicans.html

[Kirsten_in_LA]

Ron Paul is a representative of the Republic for the United States. His purpose for running Republican is to get his voice heard and educate the people, which he has done very well ... if he ran Independent, they would have swept him under the carpet long ago.

The goal here is to get him elected and then dissolve the U.S. Corporation and restore the Republic which was hijacked by the Corporations a couple centuries ago. So even though, I'm positive that the Corporation knows this and will most likely not let Dr. Paul proceed past the primaries, his voice has been heard and we have the option to opt out of the U.S. Corporation, restore our individual sovereignty and join our energies with that of the restored Republic.

People do not understand the the "United States" as it stands right now is a CORPORATION, the President is the Executive of the U.S. Corporation and we, the "citizens of the U.S.", when we get a social security number are also corporations within the U.S. Corporation, recognized by the U.S. Corporation as an entity under which it rules, therefore can tax and enforce it's laws. If we simply "opt out" and no longer participate, the U.S. Corporation has no power over those who opt out (technically).

If you seriously desire freedom from the Corporation, you must educate yourself about the system to which you have subscribed your sovereignty without your complete knowledge. This information is (obviously) not taught in the schools !

[Unified Serenity]

I snorted when I saw that headline! Imagine why they are blue, lmao

[Calz]

Ron Paul is a representative of the Republic for the United States. His purpose for running Republican is to get his voice heard and educate the people, which he has done very well ... if he ran Independent, they would have swept him under the carpet long ago.

The goal here is to get him elected and then dissolve the U.S. Corporation and restore the Republic which was hijacked by the Corporations a couple centuries ago. So even though, I'm positive that the Corporation knows this and will most likely not let Dr. Paul proceed past the primaries, his voice has been heard and we have the option to opt out of the U.S. Corporation, restore our individual sovereignty and join our energies with that of the restored Republic.

People do not understand the the "United States" as it stands right now is a CORPORATION, the President is the Executive of the U.S. Corporation and we, the "citizens of the U.S.", when we get a social security number are also corporations within the U.S. Corporation, recognized by the U.S. Corporation as an entity under which it rules, therefore can tax and enforce it's laws. If we simply "opt out" and no longer participate, the U.S. Corporation has no power over those who opt out (technically).

If you seriously desire freedom from the Corporation, you must educate yourself about the system to which you have subscribed your sovereignty without your complete knowledge. This information is (obviously) not taught in the schools !

Excellent post ... thank you :thank_you2:

[conk]

Ron Paul is a representative of the Republic for the United States. His purpose for running Republican is to get his voice heard and educate the people, which he has done very well ... if he ran Independent, they would have swept him under the carpet long ago.

The goal here is to get him elected and then dissolve the U.S. Corporation and restore the Republic which was hijacked by the Corporations a couple centuries ago. So even though, I'm positive that the Corporation knows this and will most likely not let Dr. Paul proceed past the primaries, his voice has been heard and we have the option to opt out of the U.S. Corporation, restore our individual sovereignty and join our energies with that of the restored Republic.

People do not understand the the "United States" as it stands right now is a CORPORATION, the President is the Executive of the U.S. Corporation and we, the "citizens of the U.S.", when we get a social security number are also corporations within the U.S. Corporation, recognized by the U.S. Corporation as an entity under which it rules, therefore can tax and enforce it's laws. If we simply "opt out" and no longer participate, the U.S. Corporation has no power over those who opt out (technically).

If you seriously desire freedom from the Corporation, you must educate yourself about the system to which you have subscribed your sovereignty without your complete knowledge. This information is (obviously) not taught in the schools ! Yes, burn all the straw men! When you see your name in all capital letters, that is your strawman name and the name by which you contracted with the corporation to play by their rules. I love the scenarios that play out in courtrooms.

Judge: Sir, are you JOE M. BLOW?
Joe: No sir, I am Joe, son of Bill and Mary from New York

Now the judge must proceed carefully, as the man knows his law.

We need to return to the common laws and not maritime laws. There should only be two laws. In common law there only basically only two principles, do as you say you'll do, and don't harm anyone else.

[ceetee9]

Thanks Calz. Mr. Weidner is right on the money. Out of all the candidates, Ron Paul, is the only real choice we have. A vote for anyone else is a vote to continue the Corporatocracy. I suspect, however, that TPTB will never let Dr. Paul be President because he will do everything he can to teardown the cabal organizations that are destroying this country. Obviously, they'll do everything they can to ensure that doesn't happen. If TPTB let their controlled candidates and media henchmen marginalize him every chance they get--as they've clearly been doing, it becomes much less apparent as to why Dr. Paul was eliminated (and who's responsible), than if they were to kill him after he became President. I think even the most inept might get a clue about what's going on behind the scenes if they killed him--and they sure don't want more people waking up. After all, even they have only so many FEMA camps and resources to put down an uprising if Americans began to wake up en masse.

[Maia Gabrial]

Maybe when the US crashes and burns, Ron Paul will be the leader of our new, and better system.... Just a thought....

[Calz]

You go man!!! :neo:

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[Ecnal61]

Like a lot of people i like Ron Paul,he seems like a nice/good guy,unfortunately from what iv seen in politics those sort of people rarely get into power, and even if they do once they try and implement REAL change...well you know the score,just look at Lincoln and J F K.The odds are heavily stacked against an honest man in the whitehouse.

[Cidersomerset]

Good post Calz...........Ron Paul summed the situation up, all he left out is its the zionists/neo cons agenda
on behalfe of TPTB to start WW111, i expect he would like to say that, but knows he would be ridiculed
and ostracized.....

[GlassSteagallfan]

Image if all politicians were like this...

[Douglass]

Ron Paul 2012
spread the message of freedom and truth. a bumper sticker or sign goes a a long way.

Prayers for the U.S. and the world.

[aranuk]

Like a lot of people i like Ron Paul,he seems like a nice/good guy,unfortunately from what iv seen in politics those sort of people rarely get into power, and even if they do once they try and implement REAL change...well you know the score,just look at Lincoln and J F K.The odds are heavily stacked against an honest man in the whitehouse.

So the political system has to change in USA simple. Yes simple? How? I don't know but didn't Dennis have some thread about it?

Stan

[Calz]

Like a lot of people i like Ron Paul,he seems like a nice/good guy,unfortunately from what iv seen in politics those sort of people rarely get into power, and even if they do once they try and implement REAL change...well you know the score,just look at Lincoln and J F K.The odds are heavily stacked against an honest man in the whitehouse.

So the political system has to change in USA simple. Yes simple? How? I don't know but didn't Dennis have some thread about it?

Stan

Many threads of various flavors regarding Ron Paul.

For the time being the important thing is his message ... hearing truth and honesty instead of the normal slime most politicians spew on the trail. Remember O and all that nonsense he suggested??? Probably not.

Yes ... also true that if he were actually elected then the system itself would need to be changed. RP could not do it on his own. It would be a remarkably positive *opportunity* for some real change but the "white hats" in the military and alphabet agencies would have to be the ones to carry the load and bringing down the current "system".

[Calz]

Maine Caucuses: Counties Ron Paul Won Were Ignored, Omitted From Final Count

More evidence emerges of vote fraud to prevent Ron Paul winning

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
February 16, 2012

Yet more evidence of possible vote fraud has been uncovered in Maine, where several towns and counties did caucus but were omitted from the final state count for no identifiable reason.

As we previously reported, much to the ire of the Ron Paul campaign, Washington County – where Ron Paul was incredibly strong – had its caucus delayed by a week due to a warning of snow that never materialized.

In addition, some other towns had scheduled their caucuses differently to the rest of the State and will vote in the days and weeks to come.

Despite these facts, and despite Mitt Romney’s lead being just 194 votes after 84 percent of the voting had taken place, GOP representatives in Maine and the mainstream media declared that Romney was the outright winner, much to the disbelief of many onlookers, especially Ron Paul supporters.

Now it has emerged that Romney’s “victory” in Maine is even more in doubt.

Local reporters in Maine have pounced on the revelations that the vote for most Waldo County towns was entered as “0”, as if no one had turned out to vote.

Rachel Maddow expanded on the reports in a feature on MSNBC yesterday, pointing out that when one town in Waldo attempted to call in its results, State officials said they already had results from the town showing Romney had won, when in reality that wasn’t the case and in fact Ron Paul had won.

In Waterville, Maine, Ron Paul also registered a victory, however, Waterville’s results were also recorded as a “0″ on the final State Tally.

In addition, having said originally that their delayed votes would be added to the State total, Washington County is now being told by State party officials that its result will no longer count at all. This is most likely in anticipation of the fact that Ron Paul supporters could ensure that a huge turnout in the county would hand the Congressman the victory, forcing the Maine Republican Party to backtrack and change the result, as officials were forced to do in Iowa last month.

Watch Maddow’s report:


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A local media report adds more context to the potential fraud that has occurred in Maine:


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Waldo County Republicans have called for a censure of Maine Republican Party Chairman Charlie Webster for his handling of the caucuses.

The anomalies that have been reported have been dismissed as “clerical errors”, however, the picture is becoming clear. In key places where Ron Paul won in Maine, the votes were simply omitted and ignored by the Republican Party.

The Paul campaign has been vocal about its disappointment with the Maine caucuses. Yet Paul’s campaign staff and Paul himself have pointed out that caucuses are nothing more than a straw poll, and the real contest is in the behind the scenes delegate selection process, where they believe they have cleaned up.

However, it also seems that anomalies have occurred in the delegate selection process in Maine. Local press has reported that in Portland, votes involving the choice of delegates to the state GOP convention, somehow got messed up, prompting officials to declare the vote void.

Many Ron Paul supporters are now calling on the campaign to demand an official recount and an investigation into whether vote fraud has occurred.


http://www.infowars.com/maine-caucuses-counties-ron-paul-won-were-ignored-omitted-from-final-count/

[Calz]

Ron Paul Is Secretly Taking Over The GOP — And It's Driving People Insane


By now, it is clear that the Maine caucuses were a complete mess.

Evidence is mounting that Mitt Romney's 194-vote victory over Ron Paul was prematurely announced, if not totally wrong. Washington County canceled their caucus on Saturday on account of three inches of snow (hardly a blizzard by Maine standards), and other towns that scheduled their caucuses for this week have been left out of the vote count. Now, it looks like caucuses that did take place before Feb. 11 have also been left out of final tally.

As the full extent of the chaos unfolds, sources close to the Paul campaign tell Business Insider that it is looking increasingly like Romney's team might have a hand in denying Paul votes, noting that Romney has some admirably ruthless operatives on his side and a powerful incentive to avoid a fifth caucus loss this month.

According to the Paul campaign, the Maine Republican Party is severely under-reporting Paul's results — and Romney isn't getting the same treatment. For example, nearly all the towns in Waldo County — a Ron Paul stronghold – held their caucuses on Feb. 4, but the state GOP reported no results for those towns. In Waterville, a college town in Central Maine, results were reported but not included in the party vote count. Paul beat Romney 21-5 there, according to the Kennebec County GOP.

"It's too common," senior advisor Doug Wead told Business Insider. "If it was chaos, we would expect strong Romney counties to be unreported, and that's not what's happening."

The Maine Republican Party won't decide which votes it will count until the executive committee meets next month. But Wead points out that even if Mitt Romney holds on to his slim lead, it will be a Pyrrhic victory.

"He will have disenfranchised all of these people," Wead said. "It could be a costly victory — it is a mistake."

The (alleged) bias against Paul may also be the product of an organic opposition to the libertarian Congressman and his army of ardent fans. Paul volunteers tend to be young and relatively new to party politics, and their presence has many state GOP stalwarts feeling territorial.

"People feel threatened — they don't want to see a bunch of kids who may have voted for Barack Obama take over," Wead said. "They feel a sense of ownership over the party — but there has to be an accommodation."

But state party machinations are already starting to backfire. The Paul campaign believes it has won the majority of Maine's delegates — and the perceived election fraud has galvanized Paul supporters to demand their votes be counted in the state's straw poll 'beauty contest.'

Caucus chaos has also proved to be fertile ground for Paul's quiet takeover of the Republican Party. Since 2008, the campaign and Paul's Campaign for Liberty PAC have made a concerted effort to get Paul sympathists involved in the political process. Now, tumult in state party organizations has allowed these supporters to rise up the ranks.

"We like strong party leadership when it comes from us," Paul campaign chair Jesse Benton told Business Insider. "Our people work very hard to make sure that their voice is heard."

The fruits of this labor are evident in Iowa, where Paul's former state campaign co-chair A.J. Spiker was just elected as the new chairman of the Iowa Republican Party. Spiker replaces Matt Strawn, who stepped down over this year's Iowa caucus dustup. In Nevada, the state chair has also resigned over caucus disaster, and several Ron Paul supporters are well-positioned to step up to fill the void. These new leaders not only expand Paul's influence at the state level, but also help protect Paul and his hard-won delegates from state party machinations as the delegate-selection process moves to district and state conventions, and eventually the Republican National Convention this summer.

"We are always trying to bring people into the party," Benton said. "I think that is a very positive thing for Republicans. Ron is the person who can build the Republican base, bring new blood into the party. That's how you build the party."

In Maine, the caucus disaster has made the state GOP prime for a Ron Paul takeover. And that means that Paul's hard-won delegates will be protected as the delegate selection process

"We are taking over the party," Wead told BI. "That's the important thing — and that is what we are doing in Maine."


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/ron-paul-maine-caucuses-gop-takeover-2012-2#ixzz1ma9REzFo

[Snowbird]

It's only just begun. :fencing: :help:

[Calz]

According to this source ... here are the "real" totals for Maine. Not clear who this group is or if this can be "trusted" but putting out there for amusement and as something to consider:


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?authkey=CKT21ZkH&hl=en_US&key=0AjQBwcCtzwG8dEdGUWZjS1FwTW8wTzVyOEJ6dmg4cHc&toomany=true#gid=1

[ktlight]

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[Calz]

No small wonder the other candidates won't debate him any more ...

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[Sidney]

How do you know that its banned. Lets just bump it and make it go viral!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WhiteFeather]

That commercial shouldn't be banned, it should be aired on all prime time channels infinitely till hes nominated. Awesome Calz I'm loving it.

[aranuk]

bumpety bumbety for Ron Paul


Stan

[jackovesk]

Good job Calz, keep-em coming...:clap2:

In fact it should be an American Avalonian priority to get Ron Paul's message of Liberty & Freedom out to as many people as you can..!

[bennycog]

love it.. now us aussies have to prepare and get up and fight since all our politicians know how to do is fight amongst themselves over who is going to be in the prime ministers seat and not even worrie about the people..
so degrading and disgusting to every person in australia.. leaves such a bad taste in my mouth..
hey ronnie once you clean up america mate can you get your ass over here?

[Sidney]

No small wonder the other candidates won't debate him any more ...

s2rMnov4Ae8

WGymBy_kMNA

Cant those networks be sued for libel for saying the other guys are the front runners when it is absolutely not true?:bump::bump::bump:

[Guest]

The GCs are afraid of him....

Ron Paul knows exactly what is going on; he isn't afraid to speak the truth and is waking the people up & helping to empower them.

Bump

Love

Nora

[nickc2496]

Go Ron Paul, for the first time in a very long time America has a chance at a real President...i just hope enough people vote, i know in America there are huge chunks of people who dont vote, this in all seriousness could be Americas last chance to save itself, or at least avoid total chaos. Problem is, as we all 'the powers that be' are well above the president so Ron Paul will need some powerful behind the scenes friends to lend a hand...

On a side note, main stream commercial media is pure ROT, pure BULLSHAIT :)

[humanalien]

Although i love the idea of ron paul being our next president,
with all the voter fraud and corruption going on, there isn't a
snows chance in hell that ron will ever get elected.

If he were to get elected by mistake, he would soon be assassinated
to make room for another nwo stooge. I think that is why jesse ventura
chicken out of running for prez.

[Calz]

Although i love the idea of ron paul being our next president,
with all the voter fraud and corruption going on, there isn't a
snows chance in hell that ron will ever get elected.

If he were to get elected by mistake, he would soon be assassinated
to make room for another nwo stooge. I think that is why jesse ventura
chicken out of running for prez.


Jesse Ventura will run as RP's running mate if he runs independent (a real good chance if RP doesn't win the GOP nomination).

2012 is a year of massive changes on many fronts.

Don't judge what may happen based on the "old paradigm".

Clearly there would need to be a wholesale change of the "system" coming from military/intel/judicial/law enforcement for *anyone* to have a meaningful presidency (apart from puppethood of the PTB/W).

If we succumb to the old paradigm then what ... we lay down in submissiveness for how long ... forever???

What better *opportunity* for those white hats in said departments to rise up than Ron Paul winning the Presidential bid???


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[Calz]

Cant those networks be sued for libel for saying the other guys are the front runners when it is absolutely not true?:bump::bump::bump:


:lol:

Have not heard much of libel lawsuits for a long while.

Can you imagine the backlog in the court system if all the mainstream media and congress critters were to be held accountable???

What a concept ...


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[modwiz]

Go Ron Paul, for the first time in a very long time America has a chance at a real President...i just hope enough people vote, i know in America there are huge chunks of people who dont vote, this in all seriousness could be Americas last chance to save itself, or at least avoid total chaos. Problem is, as we all 'the powers that be' are well above the president so Ron Paul will need some powerful behind the scenes friends to lend a hand...

On a side note, main stream commercial media is pure ROT, pure BULLSHAIT :)

Problem is the ones that can think don't vote, and the one who can't think do. Rick Santorum (Latin for feminine hygiene) just won three states. This is a man who could qualify for the Special Olympics. Saying America has a chance at a real president is a tricky statement given the marginal intelligence of this country. Ignore my Moroccan flag. I have lived in the states all of my life and I am still stunned by the stupid in this country. I grew up in NYC, where the intelligence is some of the highest in the country and, even there, emotions cloud reason and create terrible decision making. Dual citizenship mentality there is another problem.

[jackovesk]

Although i love the idea of ron paul being our next president,
with all the voter fraud and corruption going on, there isn't a
snows chance in hell that ron will ever get elected.

If he were to get elected by mistake, he would soon be assassinated
to make room for another nwo stooge. I think that is why jesse ventura
chicken out of running for prez.


Jesse Ventura will run as RP's running mate if he runs independent (a real good chance if RP doesn't win the GOP nomination).

2012 is a year of massive changes on many fronts.

Don't judge what may happen based on the "old paradigm".

Clearly there would need to be a wholesale change of the "system" coming from military/intel/judicial/law enforcement for *anyone* to have a meaningful presidency (apart from puppethood of the PTB/W).

If we succumb to the old paradigm then what ... we lay down in submissiveness for how long ... forever???

What better *opportunity* for those white hats in said departments to rise up than Ron Paul winning the Presidential bid???


Agreed Calz,

I was listening to Bob Chapman on his regular spot on the Alex Jones Friday Show...

Bob was talking about how over 75% of the Military support Ron Paul and didn't rule out that (If..?) for any reason RP is robbed of the Presidency there will be a possibility of a Military Coup..?

He said that the Military Brass have told the Troops, they are not allowed to March in uniform at any Ron Paul rallies...

There already has been a backlash from some of the Troops due to this...

So watch this space...:yes4:

Rgs,

Jack

[Muzz]

Thanks Calz

They are shooting themselves in the foot. Banning it on TV only ensures it goes viral on the net. This is why they are so intent on shutting it down.

[treeman]

Who needs 'Usain Bolt' in the 100 Metres when you have 'RON PAUL' !!
Awesome commercial/ advertisement or reflection...
Many thanks.
Shout it loud,
'End the FED' !!!.

[jackovesk]

http://www.dailypaul.com/files/images/ron-paul-2012b.jpg

02/18/2012

Ron Paul 2012

It has been a long road, and along the way I have lost faith in pretty much everyone and everything, including Dr. Paul. Through it all, it was truth I sought, and that can be an elusive prey.

I came back to supporting Ron Paul's candidacy slowly, reluctantly, even grudgingly. I am not cut out for politics, I was chewed up and spit out by my last effort, and life has not really improved for any of us for my efforts. I was so bitter that when Dr. Paul came to Boise between campaigns, I did not go.

To be honest, it was mostly a need for a drive in the country that got me to go to Twin Falls the other day. I was glad to go see him, but I still just don't have the taste for politics. Watching him there, I remembered, this is so much more than politics, and he is much more than a politician. I was pretty excited about today's event, I collected names passed out registrations and gave out caucus info - it was all good stuff. It was nice to be "dabbling" - not toe to toe with the neocons. Not as "thrilling" but the thrill is kinda gone for me.... My efforts earned me a front row seat, near the end.

Dr. Paul entered from the far side, and gave one of his "typical" amazing speeches. Then he walked to my end, and started shaking hands of volunteers.

When he came to me, he literally stepped back, and I was stunned to realize he knew who I was. I half wondered if I was about to get ripped a new orifice, but of course not. He reached out to me, and said he was glad to see me, and thanked me for coming. I finally remembered to ask him what I really wanted to know all these years - "Do you remember my father, Leigh Latta?" and he did. (Goldwater campaign.) I just can't describe what that meant to me, and the warmth from him. And then he hugged me, and (it is making me cry to type this) I swear it felt like my father was hugging me, he has been dead for 20 years and that was just the most amazing gift.

Dr. Paul, your "prodigal daughter" is home. Thank you so much for all you have done, thank you for being there when I came home.

http://www.dailypaul.com/215031/30-touching-seconds-with-dr-paul#comments

[ktlight]

"Ron Paul is America's leading voice for limited, constitutional government, low taxes, free markets, sound money, and a pro-America foreign policy."

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[ktlight]

"The Arizona and Michigan primaries will kick off next week and the GOP candidates are gearing up for another dramatic day at the polls. Over the weekend, Ron Paul addressed a crowd in Kansas City, Missouri and warned that the US is slipping into a fascist system. Paul continued to inform the public of the relationship between government and big business and how this collaboration is infringing on civil rights. Lew Rockwell, chairman of the Ludwig Von Mises Institute, joins us to explore Paul's statements."

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[Cidersomerset]

Thanks KTlight great interview strongly worded.....Cheers

[Calz]

Nice. Take a couple minutes for this one.

Pledge of Allegiance to the *Constitution* rather than the flag :nono::usa2::nono:

Luv it :wub:


You know ... if elections and coverage were legit I think Ron Paul would win this thing. Despite all that he is still hanging in there ... with such a sorrowful lot of GOP candidates besides himself why not?

Cal

[Calz]

Couple great little vids. Hope they continue to go viral and more of the *active* military gets on board (despite threats against doing so) as well as our domestic police (state) forces.


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[humanalien]

I thought at the end of the second video, everyone was rushing the white house.
That would have been cool to see.......

[moontime]

If RP can peak at the right time, he just might win this thing. Despite what the media is saying, this race is not over.

[modwiz]

When it comes the MSM and their pundits talking to the American people, I am reminded of the old Groucho Marx question, "Who are you going to believe, me, or your lying eyes?" People can see and hear what RP is saying, but get confused when they listen to the 'analysis' by paid liars. It should not be confusing. Snap out of the trance, America. WAKE TF UP!

[Pete]

Thanks Calz, This certainly resonated with me, especially the bit about the pledge to the constitution, I recognise what Lord Sid was saying about the constitution and that it is a debt agreement, but at least if the people are aware of the difference of the blind allegiance to a flag, especially one with gold braid, or to the idea of a written constitution and what that expects of its participants, that has got to be a move in the right direction?

[Referee]

One more for this thread!

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[jorr lundstrom]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=cBx__69pkpY#

[Maia Gabrial]

I can't stop smiling because this is GOOD! I pledge allegiance to the Constitution....Oh yeah!

[WhiteFeather]

This man is tremendously pure and has grown on me incredibly in the last few months. R.P. in 2012.

[WhiteFeather]

Ron Paul would of really made me smile if he said on this video, we need to arrest Ben Bernanke Forthwith as well as all the scumbags in the IMF.

[Calz]

Essentially the same story but from an overseas perspective which I usually enjoy as it helps to balance the nonsense foisted on the home folk.

Well worth taking just a moment or two folks. This is a powerful message at a powerful time in our history.

(check out about 1 minute or so into the first where serviceman is cut off (twice) on CNN interview :shocked: )

[what??? you mean if it isn't on CNN it might yet be true??? :fear: ]

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US troops have already voted, and they want Ron Paul

RT
Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:22 CST

Ron Paul's consistently strong anti-war message is one that resonates with many U.S. troops today. Hundreds of active duty troops, veterans, and Paul supporters marched from the Washington Monument to the White House this afternoon. Sick of fighting seemingly never-ending wars overseas, troops that took part in the march say they are ready for radical change. Liz Wahl spoke to veterans that say their only hope for that is getting Paul into the White House.


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Comment: The tempo is building in the US ahead of elections later this year. Ron Paul's campaign team say they had nothing to do with organizing the protest.


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http://www.sott.net/articles/show/241923-US-troops-have-already-voted-and-they-want-Ron-Paul

[crosby]

thank you for this thread. my brother stands behind this message 100%. live long america. stand tall america. take back your country.
warmest regards, corson

[markoid]

Wow that is heartening to see. RP gets almost no cred in Australian media... sort of 'also ran' status. I hope the U.S voters give him support.

[crosby]

Wow that is heartening to see. RP gets almost no cred in Australian media... sort of 'also ran' status. I hope the U.S voters give him support.

we are more than willing to give Ron Paul the support he deserves. and we will. what is so very frustrating is that it is not the popular vote that carries. in the end, it will be a frustrating ordeal. everyone i knows is willing to vote for RP. they want the greatest change for america that has ever happened. we are all just jaded by the fact that the voting polls will not respond in the positive for him. it is very frustrating.

GO RON PAUL!!!!!!!! anyone?
regards, corson

[Calz]

I was heavily for Ron Paul in the last election.

He was totally ignored and the mainstream media is doing their best to continue doing so (as well as proven voting fraud).

Yet he is really waking a lot of people up this time and is gaining momentum ... a snowball if you will.

People are starting to stand up on his behalf when reporters or journalists are caught red-handed not telling the true story.

Regardless of whether or not he gets elected (never say never) he is certainly becoming a true champion for the truth movement.


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[crosby]

i am beginning to think that he is indeed "The Movement"......... he so carries the weight. i hope peoples eyes are opening fast enough. time is moving quickly, get up AMERICA, move it.........

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.

taking the sexual angle out of this, if you could please:

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this song without the sexual implications says what everyone needs to think: LET'S GET IT ON!

sorry if this offends anyone.......
corson

[meeradas]

Ron Paul had, has, and will have my support from overseas.
This not about the US, this is about the world that i want to live in.
I'm repeating myself.

[crosby]

Ron Paul is had, has, and will have my support from overseas.
This not about the US, this is about the world that i want to live in.
I'm repeating myself.

we all feel the same way. truly. the man has a mission. he is not part of the plan. it is going to be a struggle to get him in. RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT. and yes, i agree, it is all about the world that you and i both want to live in.
warmest regards, corson

[ktlight]

I emailed LS with Pete's response and this is what he said:

"Thanks for that.
It is nice to see people remember what I have shown them, even though I am not there anymore.
Rob"

[Cidersomerset]

Brilliant post ....It will be a tragedy if the evil New Word Order carries on its agenda of war and expansion..........

The Emperor Has no clothes...


http://www.politifake.org/image/political/small/1101/state-of-the-union-the-emperor-s-new-clothes-political-poster-1296178764.jpg

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[Cidersomerset]

http://a2.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/9/d59ccf23ae9d6e3b7983636e2c52a142/l.jpg


This is the image I was trying to set up......The Return Of The Jedi !!

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AND 2012....For President....

[crosby]

bring it....
corson

[Calz]

bring it....
corson

Well ... okay ... I guess I have no choice but to share this one yet again (in case anyone missed it ... or like me who can watch it indefinitely)

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[modwiz]

The New World Order is very disorderly now and it is fraying badly, which is good.They are on the outgoing tide and there is no return trip for them. Stop watching TV and help the process.

[crosby]

bring it....
corson

Well ... okay ... I guess I have no choice but to share this one yet again (in case anyone missed it ... or like me who can watch it indefinitely)

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i think my guy can take your guy.....i kinda just wanted to post this again....
my bad.
corson

[crosby]

The New World Order is very disorderly now and it is fraying badly, which is good.They are on the outgoing tide and there is no return trip for them. Stop watching TV and help the process.


you know, it's getting harder and harder to talk to you... any chance you'll straighten up?
warmest, corson

i'm kinda upside down here

[Calz]

i think my guy can take your guy.....i kinda just wanted to post this again....
my bad.
corson

There is no think ... only do ...


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[Calz]

The New World Order is very disorderly now and it is fraying badly, which is good.They are on the outgoing tide and there is no return trip for them. Stop watching TV and help the process.


you know, it's getting harder and harder to talk to you... any chance you'll straighten up?
warmest, corson


i'm kinda upside down here


Clue for you I have ...


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[Calz]

CNN has been as anti RP as it comes ... so this is interesting.

Real vote has yet to happen of course ... don't discount all the voter fraud to come.

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[Calz]

Posted on Feb 23, 2012

What Ron Paul’s Detractors Reveal

It is no secret that I am a huge Ron Paul fan–and I have been for many years. Do I agree with him on every single issue? Of course not. And I don’t have to agree with him on every single issue to know Ron Paul is the only true constitutionalist in the Presidential field–from either major party. And when a President (or any other public office holder) takes his or her oath of office, they do not swear to be a good conservative, or to be a good Christian, or to support the state of Israel, or to “create jobs,” etc., etc. They swear to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. That is their solemn oath before God and the American people. Nothing more. Nothing less. And for over two decades, Congressman Ron Paul has demonstrated his fidelity to that oath. And for that, I can and must support him.

In spite of Dr. Paul’s stellar congressional record, however, there are large numbers of Republicans and “conservatives” that are his fiercest critics. I’ve even heard some “conservatives” say that they would rather see Barack Obama reelected than for Ron Paul to become President. Such is the lunacy of many so-called “conservatives” today.

So, what is it about Ron Paul’s detractors that cause them to despise him so much? What is their beef? They would never say that they would rather Obama be reelected than to see Mitt Romney, or Newt Gingrich, or Rick Santorum elected President. In fact, most of them spout the antiquated mantra, “Anybody but the Democrat (whoever it happens to be at the time).” Or, “At least Romney, Gingrich, Santorum, etc., won’t take us over the cliff quite as fast as Obama.” But when discussing Ron Paul, many “conservatives” take the position, “Anybody but Ron Paul.” Why is this? What is it about this good man that so many good people can have such animosity toward him?

I am convinced that these “conservatives” who oppose Ron Paul reveal much more about themselves than they do about Dr. Paul. Let me proffer a few observations.

Observation Number One: We Have A Constitutionally Illiterate Society

Many “conservatives” are woefully ignorant of the US Constitution, and when a constitutional scholar such as Ron Paul interjects the Constitution into the political debate, he is speaking a language that many of these “conservatives” simply do not understand. He might as well be speaking Spanish or French. To many “conservatives,” the Constitution is a foreign language.

For the better part of the Twentieth Century, the Constitution was ignored and neglected. Pastors have never studied the Constitution. Businessmen have never studied it. High school teachers and college professors have never studied it. Policemen and sheriff deputies have never studied it. Even attorneys and judges haven’t studied the Constitution. Let’s be honest: we have a constitutionally illiterate society today. As a result of this constitutional ignorance, people (including Christians and “conservatives”) simply cannot fathom–much less appreciate–constitutional solutions to America’s political woes.

Dr. Paul knows the Constitution. He has studied it. He has read what America’s Founding Fathers and framers have written about the Constitution. He has studied the enlightenment philosophers, theologians, and teachers–you know, the same ones that Thomas Jefferson and James Madison studied. He knows that the reason America is in the mess it is in today is because the Constitution has been abandoned. And he also knows that the only way to fix it (politically) is to return to constitutional governance.

Therefore, when Dr. Paul talks about drugs, foreign policy, military adventurism, or even social issues, he does so from a constitutional point of reference. And the Constitution is clear when it comes to these matters. Domestic drug laws are the exclusive responsibility of the states–as is virtually every other law enforcement matter. Foreign entanglements, empire building, turning our military personnel into the world’s policemen, etc., are all anathema to constitutional government. And the longer our political leaders continue to ignore the Constitution, the more America will continue to slide down this slippery slope in which we now find ourselves.

Ron Paul’s position on these matters is in historical agreement with America’s Founding Fathers and the US Constitution. The following report outlines Dr. Paul’s sagacity regarding so-called “social conservatism” and the proper role of constitutional government (the title of the news report notwithstanding):

http://tinyurl.com/82slxzf

Dr. Paul’s detractors demonstrate that they do not truly understand the US Constitution.

Observation Number Two: Many “Conservatives” Have A Misguided Perception Of Ron Paul’s Position On The State Of Israel.

How many times have we heard Dr. Paul’s critics say that Ron Paul is “against Israel”? Too many times to count. I have been with Ron Paul in public and private many times, and I have never heard the first anti-Semitic word come out of his mouth.

Theologically speaking, you could not get a consensus of opinion from among the leading Biblical scholars and theologians regarding the modern state of Israel and Biblical prophecy if your life depended upon it. Many sincere Christians believe that the Biblical promises to Israel have all taken place in history past. Many sincere Christians believe that there are many promises to Israel that are yet future. And of these groups, many believe that the modern state of Israel is the fulfillment of Bible prophecy, while many others believe that the modern state of Israel has no relationship whatsoever to the future Davidic Kingdom. And the fact is, when it comes to America’s foreign policy, it doesn’t matter!

Constitutionally, the President of the United States owes his loyalty and allegiance to only one country: The United States of America. He has no right to interfere with the internal affairs of any country–including Israel. He has no authority to give trillions of dollars of hard-earned taxpayer dollars of foreign aid to any country–including Israel. When Americans go to the polls this November, they will elect the President of the United States, not the Prime Minister of Israel. As far as any American President is concerned, Israel, like every other nation, should be judged on the basis of its actions, good or bad (as should our own nation be judged). Any American President should do everything in his power to cultivate peaceful trade relations with foreign countries, and to protect America’s people and territory from those nations that would attempt to harm us–no matter who that nation is.

Ron Paul’s position on Israel is a constitutional one. He knows the US should stop meddling in her affairs and let her govern herself as she sees fit. Israel is a sovereign, independent nation fully capable of conducting her own affairs. What is amazing to me about so much of this Israel debate is the way many Christians ignore the fact that for every dollar the US gives to Israel, it gives at least four dollars to her Arab neighbors. Tell me again how this “blesses” Israel? How has America’s foreign policy of manipulation and coercion into the political and commercial affairs of nations throughout the world (including the Middle East) “blessed” Israel–or any other nation, for that matter? Can anyone remember when Iran was our friend? And who was it that cut the legs out from under that friend and elevated a government that would become hostile to both the United States and Israel? The US State Department, that’s who! Who orchestrated the rise to power of both Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein? The US State Department, CIA, etc., that’s who! Who has repeatedly demanded that Israel swap “land for peace”? Various US Presidents and Secretaries of State, that’s who! And what is currently stirring the pot of strife and hostility in the Middle East today? An interventionist US foreign policy, that’s what!

It is no accident that Ron Paul receives more support from American military personnel, active and retired, than all other GOP Presidential candidates combined. See this report:

http://tinyurl.com/7gk9c4o

No matter what one’s personal view of Biblical eschatology may be, the President of the United States is obligated to put the interests and safety of the people of the United States first! Period! How dare any President pander to ANY foreign country? How dare any President elevate ANY foreign nation to a position superior to the United States? And how dare any American citizen expect that our President would do either?

Observation Number Three: Ron Paul’s Detractors Must Not Comprehend The Existence Of The New World Order (NWO).

Ladies and gentlemen, ever since the Woodrow Wilson administration, the United States has been increasingly under the influence of internationalists who desire to commercially merge the nations of the world into one global community. The United Nations is a major contributor to this agenda, as are a number of international organizations. The New World Order is not a fantasy; it is a developing reality! And Presidential administrations from both major parties have willingly collaborated with this draconian agenda. In fact, under Presidents George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, G.W. Bush, and now Barack Obama, globalization efforts have mushroomed exponentially.

The Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, etc., are major players in the creation of a NWO, as is the military-industrial complex, the Federal Reserve, and international banks on both sides of the Atlantic. Another major component of the establishment of a New World Order is the burgeoning surveillance society and police state that both major parties in Washington, D.C., seem determined to implement.

Ron Paul is the ONLY Presidential candidate from either major party that truly understands the New World Order and is determined to resist it. He’s the only one! Mark it down, neither Romney, Santorum, nor Gingrich will lift a finger to resist the power elite inside the New World Order. They will do nothing to reverse the surveillance society taking shape in America. They will do nothing to resist the federal government’s obsessive control-freaks who are running many federal bureaucracies. Either none of them understands it, or if they do, they are absolutely unwilling to lift a finger to resist it.

I can only conclude that Ron Paul’s detractors haven’t a clue about the New World Order. They must not see it. They must not understand it. They must not be able to identify it. They must be totally ignorant about it, or else they would clearly appreciate Dr. Paul’s knowledge and acumen when he seeks to warn people about it and put himself on the firing line to oppose it. Even if one disagrees with Dr. Paul regarding particular societal issues, one must admire Ron Paul’s stand against the New World Order–especially since he is the only one opposing it! It is obvious to me that the only people who cannot appreciate Dr. Paul’s courageous commitment against the NWO are those who totally do not understand it.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying that everyone must agree with me and support Ron Paul for President. I know that good people can come to different conclusions in any political race. What I am saying is that it seems obvious to me that the vast majority of Dr. Paul’s vocal detractors seem to demonstrate misperceptions–or even downright ignorance–in at least one or more of the above realities.

Support him or not, vote for him or not, any honest American who understands constitutional government, who understands what a constitutional foreign policy should look like, and who understands and is concerned that America is in the throes of a burgeoning New World Order MUST at least appreciate and admire Congressman Ron Paul. And as for me, I SUPPORT, AND WILL VOTE FOR, RON PAUL!


http://chuckbaldwinlive.com/home/?p=4609

[crosby]

Calz, these are very powerful words. i hope that many read them, and understand them. thank you for the information. i am going to copy and paste the information to all my family and friends. at this point in the game, it's time to really turn the tables.
regards, corson

[mountain_jim]

I have given up on elections while computerized voting machines without paper trails for recounts continue to be the norm in many places.

2000 and 2004 were stolen by man-in-the-middle, machine vote count corruption. Even before the Supreme Court got involved.

Paul could lead in the polls by 20% and lose the 'count' by 10%, and still the MSM would find a reason to explain it and by and large the voters seem too stupid to realize they were cheated.

The one guy that could have proved the 2004 fraud, with Ohio machines wired via network thru repugs in TN, died in a small plane crash.

Paul is the only candidate for prez I would consider to bother to vote for, but I am sure it will have to be 3rd party, hopefully with Jesse Ventura on his ticket. The Repugnicans are going to make certain of that.

The machines where I voted last time (boy that was a waste of effort) do output paper results, but you have to watch them because the screens can get misaligned I have heard.

[white wizard]

I think it would be awesome if Ron Paul were to win but in all honestly I feel it matters very little

when you step back and look at the wheel of change and the amount of awakening going on in

the planet you will see even though it may look like a big step it is in fact a little one, what really

matters is what peoples reactions will be if he doesn't win and how that will add to peoples lack of faith

in the system that is broken. I think him winning would create a false sense of hope in a system which

is fundamentally flawed and needs to be dismantled from the outside.

[Camilo]

Ron Paul's the man!...ra, ra, ra!

[Cidersomerset]

Thanks Calz...If I could vote it would be for Ron Paul mainly for his integrity and honesty ....He is the only man in politics either side of the pond
who openly opposes the real villians bankers/fed ,big government , mil ind complex.....
Domestic politics in the US is different from the UK ,depending on the size and heritage and make up of the population of each state and Paul
appreciates it more than most as far as I can see. He is the man for the momment he could stop TNWO agenda by giving America
back to individual Americans, not this doctrine of Big Brother..I would not agree with all his domestic politics as I am by nature Libral, but change is needed...

But in these times of deception and outright 'brain washing' by the corporate media and their masters, he is the only hope for freedom
in the short term.....It would have a big effect overhere in terms that the plotters in London would not have the muscle behind them
to cause much mayham...We to are lied and played by our polititions and we are all part of the corporate elite empire . If Paul
could get in it would have hopefully positive ripple effect over here .Though I cannot see them letting it happening, you never know !!!

What is changing the scene is the youth, and 'awakening' people. The Corporate media & their masters cannot of failed to see that
and they know the web is responcible for spreading the word, so its going to be a interresting ride to see how they will censor the net,,,

Cheers Steve

[jackovesk]

America (BEWARE) watch out for this Bloke, just like the Other one..! :scared:

http://rense.com/1.imagesH/Oromney.jpg

[jackovesk]

I think him winning would create a false sense of hope in a system which is fundamentally flawed and needs to be dismantled from the outside.


I think him winning would create a [B][COLOR="red"]false sense of hope

The 1776'ers would be rolling in their graves...

Unfortunately, that's exactly the type of 'Attitude' that got your Country into the (Mess) it is in today...


fundamentally flawed and needs to be dismantled

Yes, but you've gotta start somewhere my friend...:yes4:

[Lettherebelight]

Everyone get behind Ron Paul and PUSH!

Don't be discouraged by reports of rigging. It's not going to hurt anything to at least try. The worst thing we can do is give in to apathy.

I haven't voted for years. But I am voting for Ron Paul. This man may well be our last chance.

[Maia Gabrial]

I'd vote for Ron Paul if the system weren't already broke...

[Lettherebelight]

I hear you, Maia, but don't give up!

They would just love us all to think that there is no point even trying to vote for the good guy.

Never underestimate the power of a few good men...and women!

[Maia Gabrial]

You're right, Lettherebelight. I'll vote and I'm hoping that Ron Paul will be the one that brings the good changes forward....

[Douglass]

Prayers and action for Ron Paul the United States and the United Earth :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQDowv4wD8U

[WhiteFeather]

Watch out for this Ass Clown Meatball Head as well

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-3n7nX7io7JY/Ts-g7hqRdfI/AAAAAAAAMco/UwD6NNsWmVE/s1600/newt_clown-300x239.jpg

[Calz]

I'd vote for Ron Paul if the system weren't already broke...

That is the very goal of the PTB/W ... setting society up with such despair in the perception of the system it is easy to give up.

While I agree the system is set up to and will do everything it can to stop RP from winning we still need to take a careful look around at what is happening. He is getting harder to ignore all the time and his growing popularity helps get his message out. People are waking up to see the system for what it is.

Sure most here on this forum have been aware of that for some time but many people are still only starting to wake up to those types of possibilities.

The other "common" argument suggests that even if he was voted in the system itself would swallow him alive to comform (or else spit him out "less than alive").

It is true RP could not change the system all on his own. That said what better time to motivate the "whitehats" within the system ... the military, intel agencies and police forces to *stand up* and do what they know to be right in changing the system itself. If those within the system who still have the honesty and integrity were to stand besides Paul and support him in the process then it would yet be possible.

IMHO

[ktlight]

"CNN's infamous loss of the feed during a live interview with a Dr. Paul supporter speaking out against attacking Iran and US support for Israel."

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[778 neighbour of some guy]

Hi, just found this Ron Paul compilation by accident, im sure you will have seen some of it, maybe there is something new in it for you.

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[Calz]

Another for those who wish to take the time for something important and meaningful ... damn ... american idol is on now honey!!! Bachelor follows!!!

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[jackovesk]

Mar 1, 2012

Show this to the world. See Who Can defeat Barack Obama at http://supertuesday.us


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nNIxTXKAk&feature=share
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3nNIxTXKAk&feature=share


Ron Paul 2012: Imagine America Restored


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1XoHBlVAyA&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1XoHBlVAyA&feature=player_embedded

http://www.ronpaul.com/images/bumper/ron_paul_2012_bumper_sticker-p12847080919732221383h9_325.jpg

[Fundy Gemini]

Sadly, there is good evidence already that games are being played ..
I posted here " Unmasking Vote Manipulation 2012 GOP" - (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41765-Unmasking-Vote-MANIPULATION--GOP-Primary-2012-&p=439822&viewfull=1#post439822)

Do you suppose he'd run independently?

[spiritguide]

I agree! Thank you !

:peace:

[Intranuclear]

I hope he changes his mind and dumps the GOP.

[East Sun]

Only Rep. and Dem. ever get elected. Ron Paul is a very smart man but he has no chance of being elected because of the system. I'll vote for him anyway or write his name in when he's kept out.

[spiritguide]

No where in the U. S. Constitution does it say you need to belong to a party to be president. The people are just under the assumption of this. Now we all know what happens when we assume don't we.

:peace:

[jackovesk]

Sadly, there is good evidence already that games are being played ..
I posted here " Unmasking Vote Manipulation 2012 GOP" - (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41765-Unmasking-Vote-MANIPULATION--GOP-Primary-2012-&p=439822&viewfull=1#post439822)

Do you suppose he'd run independently?

Unfortunately I don't think he can..?

Why..?

Because it would split the vote and hand a 2nd term to Obama...:yes4:

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Sadly, there is good evidence already that games are being played ..
I posted here " Unmasking Vote Manipulation 2012 GOP" - (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41765-Unmasking-Vote-MANIPULATION--GOP-Primary-2012-&p=439822&viewfull=1#post439822)

Do you suppose he'd run independently?

Unfortunately I don't think he can..?

Why..?

Because it would split the vote and hand a 2nd term to Obama...:yes4:


Of course he can. Proceeding the way he has (as a Republican Candidate) has given him a great platform and media attention he otherwise would not have gotten as he participated in the debates. If he doesn't get the Republican nomination (which he probably won't) THEN he can go independent. .... Who cares if he splits the vote? Do you really think there is a difference between Obama, Romney, Gingrich, etc.? I think you of all people, Jackovesk, know they are in the same club and that the labels Republican/Democrat are just there to give us the false sense of choice.

But then again, what if he wins if he goes independent?!?! I know that is a waaaay long shot, but at the moment, it is the only shot I see as potentially hopeful. I know TPTB are running scared of him as his name is rarely mentioned in main street media. Even in the primaries where he came in 2nd. They talk at length about who came in first and third, totally ignoring him. And many Americans are feed up with business as usual - and (she says with fingers crossed) miracles can and do happen. Of course even if the miracle happened, it won't be easy for him. It will be an up hill battle with the corporate bought Congress. But if one miracle happens - maybe two and then three.

Many years ago I read the book "The Secret Destiny of America" by Manly Palmer Hall.....It had a profound effect on me and I do believe we are getting help from other dimensions. Call them angels, ET's, our guides, whatever you're comfortable with. No, they are not going to come down and take us up or physically save us in any other way. But they whisper in our ears, nudge us in directions, talk to us on the wind or thru our animals, inspire some of our writers and song muses. Will it happen in my time, I don't know, but when I look back in my 72 yrs of earth life, only then I can see the change. It's like watching your child grow. Our child is growing, but we must help it in anyway we can.

I believe if we vote for Ron Paul (even if we have to write his name in) it's a step in the right direction and it sends out a signal to each other. It's like holding hands across the country and finding each other, soon to hold hands across the planet and then outward to the stars.

So, take my hand will you - and let's do this together!

[Unified Serenity]

That first video, Jack, has me crying. I've said since the beginning of this "war on terror" that it was nothing more than an exercise in making money for the few, killing the innocent in the name of patriotism, justice, and honor, and now all these years later, we the American's still do nothing. The mainstream makes RP look like a whack job. The next time you hear Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, or Rush Limbaugh launch into their patriotic "Foreign policy" schtick and attack RP and those of us who understand what that courageous woman in the first video was saying, please stand up to them vehemently. If I could, I'd be in their face daily! But, sadly you can't get on their show if you say you are a RP supporter and sound like your have a brain. No, they either plant some actor to sound like an idiot supporting Ron Paul or they wait for someone who is not the sharpest tool in the shed to call in and sure enough, they get on to talk all about RP.

Thanks for sharing this video Jack. May we join our energy in prayer and healing for the people of Iraq, for our armed forces duped into this war, and facing the same environmental poisons, and may we bring our elected officials to true justice.

[risveglio]

Manipulation aside, my frustration with the American people is at its limit.

The booing of the golden rule at the SC Republican debates was bad enough. Now the fact that Santorium can get more than 5% is more proof.

Below is taken from someone's facebook page, seems fitting for this election season.

"We are presented with four candidates, the first is a man known for his 'flip-flopping' and elitism, the next one is intolerant, supported the Patriot Act, NDAA and is for bigger central government. The third comes with a history of ethics violations and adultery. Then we have one who is beyond reproach, personally and politically, honest, trustworthy, a man of great character and integrity...and the people yelled, 'Give us Barabbas!'."

[EnergyGardener]

There remains a possibility for Ron Paul with two circumstances:

1. Large Obama scandal; perhaps the Team Breitbart video could start that domino effect...
2. House cleaning scandals for the GOP candidates demonstrating alliances with the Illuminati owned mega corporations, federal reserve, media and entertainment industries...

This will only happen if we receive the necessary ET/ED help to force honesty at all realms, to scrape clean and level the playing field. From new announcements of arrests, including the developing story of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner— both circumstances could be upon us.

Ron Paul could be positioned perfectly as the last and only "honest man standing" to step up. I am only hoping the few photos I've seen him holding the devil's hand signs were photoshopped and/ or he is simply a Texas Longhorn graduate.

If not Ron Paul, Lyndon LaRouche? Let's give him credit for calling this game for a very long time...

Despite the well-orchestrated chorus of so called heavyweight, anti-channeling, and other references to lightweight, predictions and unrealistic feel-overly-good threads messages, DO NOT COUNT THIS OUT. RATHER, VISUALIZE, MEDITATE AND PRAY ON THIS. THAT IS UP TO US; WE SHALL MAKE THIS HAPPEN IF WE CHOOSE TO; WE MUST! Thus, our fate is not in their hands, but in ours. While we must make every effort, including letters, emails and telephone calls to the electeds, as has been referenced on other threads, we must also not be so lightweight as to not appreciate that their bosses / leaders / GODS are incapable of any compassion. They only appreciate win or lose; life or death. We must make them accept loss as they realize death is the only other option. We must make them lose. That requires remaining undeterred by the negativity, and condescending cynicism here and elsewhere.

That requires forging ahead with common purpose to manifest our destiny with LOVE and steadfast perseverance.

[freebird111777]

I am a huge Ron Paul supporter! Thanks for the post. I would love to see our troops come home, so I can spend more time with my fiance..poor guy has been deployed 3 times. He is tired and ready to get out. He truly sees how corrupt and out of hand this is getting. Have a wonderful day!

[jackovesk]

Sadly, there is good evidence already that games are being played ..
I posted here " Unmasking Vote Manipulation 2012 GOP" - (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?41765-Unmasking-Vote-MANIPULATION--GOP-Primary-2012-&p=439822&viewfull=1#post439822)

Do you suppose he'd run independently?

Unfortunately I don't think he can..?

Why..?

Because it would split the vote and hand a 2nd term to Obama...:yes4:


Of course he can. Proceeding the way he has (as a Republican Candidate) has given him a great platform and media attention he otherwise would not have gotten as he participated in the debates. If he doesn't get the Republican nomination (which he probably won't) THEN he can go independent. .... Who cares if he splits the vote? Do you really think there is a difference between Obama, Romney, Gingrich, etc.? I think you of all people, Jackovesk, know they are in the same club and that the labels Republican/Democrat are just there to give us the false sense of choice.

But then again, what if he wins if he goes independent?!?! I know that is a waaaay long shot, but at the moment, it is the only shot I see as potentially hopeful. I know TPTB are running scared of him as his name is rarely mentioned in main street media. Even in the primaries where he came in 2nd. They talk at length about who came in first and third, totally ignoring him. And many Americans are feed up with business as usual - and (she says with fingers crossed) miracles can and do happen. Of course even if the miracle happened, it won't be easy for him. It will be an up hill battle with the corporate bought Congress. But if one miracle happens - maybe two and then three.

Many years ago I read the book "The Secret Destiny of America" by Manly Palmer Hall.....It had a profound effect on me and I do believe we are getting help from other dimensions. Call them angels, ET's, our guides, whatever you're comfortable with. No, they are not going to come down and take us up or physically save us in any other way. But they whisper in our ears, nudge us in directions, talk to us on the wind or thru our animals, inspire some of our writers and song muses. Will it happen in my time, I don't know, but when I look back in my 72 yrs of earth life, only then I can see the change. It's like watching your child grow. Our child is growing, but we must help it in anyway we can.

I believe if we vote for Ron Paul (even if we have to write his name in) it's a step in the right direction and it sends out a signal to each other. It's like holding hands across the country and finding each other, soon to hold hands across the planet and then outward to the stars.

So, take my hand will you - and let's do this together!

I Agree Ba-ba-Ra, :yes4:

But, unfortunately Obama has a (Mandate) from his 'PTW PuppetMasters' that will be rolled out alot quicker if he get's a 2nd term...

Whereas this PTW (Mandate) would be more difficult to rollout and be slower under a New President e.g. Romney...

Rgs,

Jack

[Ba-ba-Ra]

I Agree Ba-ba-Ra, :yes4:

But, unfortunately Obama has a (Mandate) from his 'PTW PuppetMasters' that will be rolled out alot quicker if he get's a 2nd term...

Whereas this PTW (Mandate) would be more difficult to rollout and be slower under a New President e.g. Romney...

Rgs,

Jack

Jackovesk, I'm curious. Are you sure it would happen faster under Obama? Where are you getting your info? And if the PTB want Obama to get elected again, IMO it will happen no matter who they run against him.

And what if they decided to run Jeb Bush? There's been talk of that already in the press. And since all the other Republic Candidates (except Ron Paul) have badly damaged their images in all these debates - it would be easy to slide Jeb in after the debates are over. Or, in your opinion, are they just lining Jeb up to take over after Obama's 2nd term?

I would like to think that getting someone different in office would make a difference, but experience has indicated that's not the case. I think change will have to come from pressure from the outside - and Ron Paul is uniting those of us on the outside and showing us there are others who think like we do. Can and will we unite - only time will tell

The other interesting thing is Ralph Nadar is organizing in a different way. Have you checked out his website: www.nadar.org. Also his new book "Getting Steamed over Corporatism".

[jackovesk]

I Agree Ba-ba-Ra, :yes4:

But, unfortunately Obama has a (Mandate) from his 'PTW PuppetMasters' that will be rolled out alot quicker if he get's a 2nd term...

Whereas this PTW (Mandate) would be more difficult to rollout and be slower under a New President e.g. Romney...

Rgs,

Jack

Jackovesk, I'm curious. Are you sure it would happen faster under Obama? Where are you getting your info? And if the PTB want Obama to get elected again, IMO it will happen no matter who they run against him.

And what if they decided to run Jeb Bush? There's been talk of that already in the press. And since all the other Republic Candidates (except Ron Paul) have badly damaged their images in all these debates - it would be easy to slide Jeb in after the debates are over. Or, in your opinion, are they just lining Jeb up to take over after Obama's 2nd term?

I would like to think that getting someone different in office would make a difference, but experience has indicated that's not the case. I think change will have to come from pressure from the outside - and Ron Paul is uniting those of us on the outside and showing us there are others who think like we do. Can and will we unite - only time will tell

The other interesting thing is Ralph Nadar is organizing in a different way. Have you checked out his website: www.nadar.org. Also his new book "Getting Steamed over Corporatism".

Hi Ba-ba-Ra,


Jackovesk, I'm curious. Are you sure it would happen faster under Obama?

Yes, due to being the 'Incumbent' President and everything is already in place...


Where are you getting your info?

I'm just using my own 'Commonsense'...:)


And if the PTB want Obama to get elected again, IMO it will happen no matter who they run against him.

That remains to be seen e.g. Birth Certificate, Brietbart 'Weather Underground' info, etc, etc...


And what if they decided to run Jeb Bush?

I don't think they will run Jeb Bush as a Candidate - But (THEY HAVE) already 'Tapped' him for the Vice Presidency...:yes4:

Remember a fella called 'Dick Cheney'...? Remember it wasn't George W. Bush who ran the Administration he was merely the 'Frontman'...Dick Cheney had all the POWER..!

So if Romney or Santorum gets in 'Jeb Bush' (WILL BE) the next Dick Cheney...:yes4:

That's why is so important to elect Ron Paul, if not I pity what comes next for America and its people...:scared:


The other interesting thing is Ralph Nadar is organizing in a different way. Have you checked out his website: www.nadar.org. Also his new book "Getting Steamed over Corporatism".

Will Do - Thanks

Rgs,

Jack

[Mulder]

But the problem is Ron Paul is facing underhand tactics resulting in his loss in many states. I don't feel like listening to Alex Jones' rants about this to write the specifics here, as you said you listen to Jones everyday in another thread. So on the basis of these underhand tactics, I'm certain Ron Paul will not win the Presidential Elections this year & we will have another four years of some Council of Foreign Relations-Bilderberg puppet - how this comes about is yet to be seen, but I'm sure Ron Paul is another distraction like 21 Dec 2012.

[jackovesk]

But the problem is Ron Paul is facing underhand tactics resulting in his loss in many states. I don't feel like listening to Alex Jones' rants about this to write the specifics here, as you said you listen to Jones everyday in another thread. So on the basis of these underhand tactics, I'm certain Ron Paul will not win the Presidential Elections this year & we will have another four years of some Council of Foreign Relations-Bilderberg puppet - how this comes about is yet to be seen, but I'm sure Ron Paul is another distraction like 21 Dec 2012.

On the Alex Jones thing, I also listen to Jeff Rense, Randy Maugans, Max Keieser, Coast to Coast AM, Open Minds Radio, Kerry Cassidy, and a number of others...So to try and (Pigeon Hole) me as nothing but an Alex Jones Worshipper is so far from the truth its not funny...

Having said - What I stated 'above' is the 'Truth As I Know It' nothing more & nothing less...


So on the basis of these underhand tactics, I'm certain Ron Paul will not win the Presidential Elections this year & we will have another four years of some Council of Foreign Relations-Bilderberg puppet - how this comes about is yet to be seen, but I'm sure Ron Paul is another distraction like 21 Dec 2012.

With a 'Defeatest' attitude like that, no wonder America is in so much trouble...:faint:

[Mulder]

On the Alex Jones thing, I also listen to Jeff Rense, Randy Maugans, Max Keieser, Coast to Coast AM, Open Minds Radio, Kerry Cassidy, and a number of others...So to try and (Pigeon Hole) me as nothing but an Alex Jones Worshipper is so far from the truth its not funny...

Having said - What I stated 'above' is the 'Truth As I Know It' nothing more & nothing less...


So on the basis of these underhand tactics, I'm certain Ron Paul will not win the Presidential Elections this year & we will have another four years of some Council of Foreign Relations-Bilderberg puppet - how this comes about is yet to be seen, but I'm sure Ron Paul is another distraction like 21 Dec 2012.

With a 'Defeatest' attitude like that, no wonder America is in so much trouble...:faint:

Thanks for your reply. I wasn't Pigeonholing you, I was just providing some evidence for my assertion that Ron Paul is fighting an impossible fight. Here's more evidence - have a look at Kurt Haskell (an Attorney who witnessed the "underwear bomber" was a US Govt inside-job). Around 5 mins 10 secs he talks about Ron Paul's election prospects.
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With a 'Defeatest' attitude like that, no wonder America is in so much trouble...:faint:
I don't have my location on my posts, so you wouldn't know I'm not American so unfortunately I can't vote for Ron Paul myself! But I don't think my attitude will will put America in trouble - LOL!

[gripreaper]

Back during the civil war in America, the banksters were still trying to get control of this country because Jackson, who had TWO assassination attempts on his life, would not cower to the banksters. Yet, the civil war did just what it was designed to do, put us in debt. Lincoln tried to mitigate this by issuing greenbacks, under the original Treasury of 1781, WITHOUT INTEREST. He was killed, the Reconstruction Act and the 14th Amendment were passed, making us all slaves instead of emancipating the negro's as they told us in the history books. Seven Southern States walked out of congress because they did not agree with the terms of the Reconstruction Act, and the original Representative Congress NEVER reconvened. A corporate United States Inc. was formed, and a State of Emergency remains in effect even to this day, which is why the executive branch can issue executive orders and do whatever the hell it pleases without any congressional oversight. To be a registered voter makes you a 14th amendment citizen and under contract with this private corporation, and that makes you an employee, subject to all the statutory interpretations of the corporate judicial system, which is not about truth and justice, but about who the creditor and the debtor is and who is going to pay.

So, whoever becomes president is actually becoming the CEO of a private corporation, whose board of directors is the elite globalist banksters who hold ALL of the assets of this country, finally and completely hypoticated and transferred to them in the bankruptcy of 1933, as surety for the debt which they created from the Federal Reserve Act of 1913. This surety includes you and me and all of our labor in perpetuity. Your birth certificate is nothing more than a registration of YOU as an asset traded on the stock exchange.

So, we need to completely overthrow the existing system and restore the original Articles of Confederation. The tyrannical subversion started the minute our ancestors set foot on American soil. Ron Paul has been part of this system as a Senator for decades and has tried to work within the corporate structure. Those who went against the Board of Directors of the corporation, such as Kennedy, were assassinated. Reagan tried to blow the whistle with the Grace Commission Report, which showed that NOT A SINGLE DIME of our taxes goes to run the country, but all resources flows upstream to the banksters. He ALMOST paid with his life, but soon learned that he better tow the line. which he did.

90% of the worlds assets are now consolidated into the hands of the few globalists, and they ARE NOT running scared of anything. That is disinfo. They have been setting up this agenda for thousands and thousands of years and they know just how the human psyche works and just how to manipulate it. Edward Bernays would be so proud of how they have taken what he taught them and how most humans have fallen for the lies

Suffice it to say, I am still hopeful for I know that the human spirit is stronger than any force in the entire cosmos, and we can choose the outcome of our future as a collective, and I do see an awakening occurring. Thus the blatant uncovering of the truth in this post. It is time to lay all our cards on the table, expose the entire scam, talk about solutions and be vehemently discerning. I see this happening too in spite of the perturbed energy floating around here on this forum and elsewhere. I actually see that as positive and hopeful. Ron Paul, if he is aware of the truth, will also be compelled to "tow the line", if he goes in as an independent and the people unanimously and overwhelmingly vote for him. If we as Americans have the moxi to fully support the restoration of the representative government, which has been suspended for over 150 years, and Ron Paul is willing and able to awaken the sleeping masses with the truth, we have a chance.

Stranger things have happened. Look how Gandhi ran off the British in India just by standing in his truth. One man took down a whole nation.

[humanalien]

I agree that ron paul hasn't got a chance. According to fox news today, ron
has won in any state yet but alex jones came up with evidence that ron at
least won in 2 of them. Ron has to many followers backing him up to not
even win one state.

[Fundy Gemini]

Found this recently and thought it was worth passing along
(for Ron Paul supporters who want to help him get the 2012 nomination - here's how. ...)

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[foreverfan]

There remains a possibility for Ron Paul with two circumstances:

1. Large Obama scandal; perhaps the Team Breitbart video could start that domino effect...
2. House cleaning scandals for the GOP candidates demonstrating alliances with the Illuminati owned mega corporations, federal reserve, media and entertainment industries...

This will only happen if we receive the necessary ET/ED help to force honesty at all realms, to scrape clean and level the playing field. From new announcements of arrests, including the developing story of Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner— both circumstances could be upon us.

Ron Paul could be positioned perfectly as the last and only "honest man standing" to step up. I am only hoping the few photos I've seen him holding the devil's hand signs were photoshopped and/ or he is simply a Texas Longhorn graduate.

If not Ron Paul, Lyndon LaRouche? Let's give him credit for calling this game for a very long time...

Despite the well-orchestrated chorus of so called heavyweight, anti-channeling, and other references to lightweight, predictions and unrealistic feel-overly-good threads messages, DO NOT COUNT THIS OUT. RATHER, VISUALIZE, MEDITATE AND PRAY ON THIS. THAT IS UP TO US; WE SHALL MAKE THIS HAPPEN IF WE CHOOSE TO; WE MUST! Thus, our fate is not in their hands, but in ours. While we must make every effort, including letters, emails and telephone calls to the electeds, as has been referenced on other threads, we must also not be so lightweight as to not appreciate that their bosses / leaders / GODS are incapable of any compassion. They only appreciate win or lose; life or death. We must make them accept loss as they realize death is the only other option. We must make them lose. That requires remaining undeterred by the negativity, and condescending cynicism here and elsewhere.

That requires forging ahead with common purpose to manifest our destiny with LOVE and steadfast perseverance.

Ever try to enligntenl someone else who hasn't woken up and doesn't understand this message? LOL

In any case, I pray everyday for Ron Paul. For his well being, guts and determination and for his love of truth. I'm all for a third party even if Paul even has only a 1% chance of winning. I recently told my "Dyed in the Wool" Obama supporter father-in-law that I thought Ron Paul would be the next President of the US to much ridicule. I got what I deserved. LOL

This is the problem. So many people haven't woken up especially among Democrats that live off of the "National Nipple" and I have news for you... they ain't gonna wake up, so as much as we need Ron Paul in 2012 it ain't gonna happen with out alien help.

I'm also secretly pulling for my $100,000 for each family member with Ben Fulford. LOL

[im awake]

Ron Paul Openly Calls GOP Election Fraud
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he gets the most donations from the military, the biggest crowds out of all the candidates and the most internet support. they are clearly cheating him out of being president lets just hope the majority see it and act on it.

[risveglio]

Ron Paul picked up a big endorsement today and Nassim doesn't hesitate to mention a 3rd Party.


http://ronpaulflix.com/2012/03/the-black-swan-author-nassim-taleb-strongly-endorses-ron-pauls-economic-platform-on-cnbc-mar-13-2012/

[Maia Gabrial]

So, for those of us who always thought our votes counted for nothing, this proves it. Didn't we always have the feeling that elections were rigged? The best man never wins.... If this has been posted, bear with me. With November's elections around the corner, this needs to be repeated. If it can go viral that would put the system on notice....I hope!

qwS4XMEr_qY

[modwiz]

When politicians go out to fundraisers looking for support, people should just shout. "I support you being arrested and tried for your crimes. That includes passing laws that make your crimes not be crimes."

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.

[jackovesk]

Because you certainly will not get it from slick Rick

March 13, 2012

In a remarkable video posted to Youtube yesterday, Rick Santorum tells a man attending one of his events that if he supports limited government and debt reduction he should “go vote for Ron Paul.”

In the brief clip, the man who describes himself as an independent voter, questions Santorum’s record and support for big government programs like Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind, and five debt ceiling increases, while he was a Senator from Pennsylvania.

“What is limited government about that sir?” the man asks Santorum.

A visibly annoyed Santorum fires back “Vote for Ron Paul, that’s what you should do.”

Watch the video:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G106jlvZYmQ&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G106jlvZYmQ&feature=player_embedded

So there you have it from Santorum himself. If you actually care about scaling back spending, reducing the debt and limiting federal government over reach, Ron Paul is the only candidate to vote for.

The Ron Paul campaign has directly targeted Santorum’s record in recent weeks, making the case that it is a myth that Santorum is in any way a fiscal conservative, as he claims to be.

Paul has been running an ad, entitled simply “Fake”, that points out how Santorum has not voted conservatively on many big issues.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNJBdTaKE8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgNJBdTaKE8&feature=player_embedded

“Santorum touts his ‘conservative record’ all too often.” Ron Paul 2012 National Campaign Chairman Jesse Benton has said regarding the ad.

“It’s time that his real record makes its way into the national conversation we’re having about which Republican presidential candidate is the authentic, consistent conservative. That man is Ron Paul.” said Benton.

In the latest Rasmussen Poll (http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll) of likely voters, Ron Paul statistically ties with Obama in a head to head match up, 41 percent to Obama’s 42 percent. Santorum lags behind Obama 43 percent to 46 percent.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/santorum-tells-voter-vote-for-ron-paul-if-you-want-limited-government.html

PS -


“Vote for Ron Paul, that’s what you should do.”

For once, I agree with you Rick...:yes4:

[TargeT]

the open contempt... haha

I still say Hegelian dialect is in action here.. duality... "establishment" candidates (which have the majority of the population fooled) against the "underdog" R. Paul (for those that are only slightly tricked by the media circus)...

complexity wrapped in enigma shrouded by deception.....

the people who don't fall for the "D" vr "R" tend to fall into the R. Paul catigory.. few escape it all together. (this is my opinion based on a lot of pattern analysis and consideration)

[foreverfan]

My signature says it all.

[NewFounderHome]

So, for those of us who always thought our votes counted for nothing, this proves it. Didn't we always have the feeling that elections were rigged? The best man never wins.... If this has been posted, bear with me. With November's elections around the corner, this needs to be repeated. If it can go viral that would put the system on notice....I hope!

qwS4XMEr_qY

This video dates back near 2001.

[jackovesk]

So, for those of us who always thought our votes counted for nothing, this proves it. Didn't we always have the feeling that elections were rigged? The best man never wins.... If this has been posted, bear with me. With November's elections around the corner, this needs to be repeated. If it can go viral that would put the system on notice....I hope!

qwS4XMEr_qY

This video dates back near 2001.

Not to worry Maia Gabrial if NewFounderHome is correct..?

There will be alot more than 16,022 Votes stolen from Ron Paul this year...

RP would probably have to open up a Polling Booth (Re-Counts) in all 50 States just to count them all...

...and if they did, he would win the Republican Nomination by a Land-Slide...:yes4:

[seehas]

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.


just my words there, but its not legal in every country in germany u will go to jail for that even if they find them in your bag you are in big big trouble.


in islamic countrys the protocols are teached in school, the bad sideeffect kids grew up with a hate at jews because even in the protocols the jews get blamed for everything.

the fascinating thing at these protocols is that u can proof the exisitence back to 1897 , and even if they are a fake what was the original and which genius was able to create such a masterpiece in knowledge at that time? thats a point where many people start thinking ;)

[Solstyse]

When politicians go out to fundraisers looking for support, people should just shout. "I support you being arrested and tried for your crimes. That includes passing laws that make your crimes not be crimes."

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.

The book didn't end very well for the germans, think it will have a different outcome this time?

[modwiz]

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.


just my words there, but its not legal in every country in germany u will go to jail for that even if they find them in your bag you are in big big trouble.


in islamic countrys the protocols are teached in school.

That is why Islamic countries are always being targeted. Knowing about the protocols and being against usury, make the Muslims, as a group, the most dangerous people on the planet for the controllers. Buying the modern sultans is crisis management for them. Iran is only willing to play the oil game with them for some profits, but will not sell their soul. The Islamic bomb is what they know and believe about 'the problem'.

[modwiz]

When politicians go out to fundraisers looking for support, people should just shout. "I support you being arrested and tried for your crimes. That includes passing laws that make your crimes not be crimes."

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.

The book didn't end very well for the germans, think it will have a different outcome this time?

If we knew about the book, the German situation may have not been created. That goes for the Japanese situation as well. Two very powerful and organized countries brought to their knees, first in the press, (a protocol) and then created situations to finally commit to all out war. The Japanese not being white allowed for use of atomics on them. Easier for a public to accept that kind of horror when the victims "don't look like us".

Wars are part of the protocols as well.

[seehas]

in germany its quite hard to speak about this topic and most people will see u as a nazi its a pretty silenced topic here the last politican that used the word "zionist" was killed at skydiving (his parachute didnt open they declared it as suicide) im sure mossad knows more about it happend in the 90´s.

the people i told about this protocols in my family i told them to read the material and concentrate on the information dont hang up on the allways repeated blaming on jews in there (special hard for older people as it seems), if u see that this coin of knowledge was available at 1897 or even before ... wonder why this world is how it is !?


sorry for offtopic but its also a very interesting topic :)

[modwiz]

What needs to go viral is a copy of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The game plan is written there and being followed to the letter.


just my words there, but its not legal in every country in germany u will go to jail for that even if they find them in your bag you are in big big trouble.


in islamic countrys the protocols are teached in school, the bad sideeffect kids grew up with a hate at jews because even in the protocols the jews get blamed for everything.

the fascinating thing at these protocols is that u can proof the exisitence back to 1897 , and even if they are a fake what was the original and which genius was able to create such a masterpiece in knowledge at that time? thats a point where many people start thinking ;)

The protocols are not about Jews. Jews are a people criminals are hiding in and have found an abused collective psyche to manipulate. There are reasons for them being a target but those points are a distraction. The real point is the protocols are real and being followed. By their works you will know them, not their last names. I am aware of some dots that can be connected, still, they are distractions for the most part. Knowing the protocols lets us see 'the plan'. Once the plan is seen a recognized it will not work so well. It is one of the reasons for dumbing down societies and killing intellectuals during every communist convulsion of a society. The smart ones can reveal the plan and wake up the sleep walking masses.

In closing, who wrote the protocols is not so important. Knowing what they are is and making the mental adjustments to see the chess pieces being moved. Anti-semitic BS is used to hide them. The implementers just don't like their plans out in the open. Ask any general what happens if he has the inferior numbers and his opponent knows what he is doing and will do.

This is about the plans of a parasitic alien presence on our planet and insinuated into our gene pools. Jews are a distraction here and a group 'they' use to hide in.

Find a copy or listen to a recent rendition put out by snordelhans? Filter out the 'Jew' words and discover the source of the virus.

UPDATE:
I went to locate the you tube video I was referring to above. It was removed because of their policy regarding hate speech. It was a full reading of the protocols and ran 3 hours. It started with a summary that read the titles of each chapter. That summary alone was an education in itself and never once makes mention of any group.

Reading is more fun anyway.

[modwiz]

Well, Sanscrotum (remember what san(s) means in Latin) won Mississippi and Alabama. As Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is, as stupid does." They probably didn't need fake votes in this instance.

Why doesn't that make me feel any better? :confused:

[Calz]

Well, Sanscrotum (remember what san(s) means in Latin) won Mississippi and Alabama. As, Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is, as stupid does." They probably didn't need fake votes in this instance.

Why doesn't that make me feel any better? :confused:

Only thing that would make me feel better is watching the Ron Paul vs Fox News Matrix makeover fight scene (... again ... *sigh*).

I don't normally "do politics" ... but is it correct if none of the GOP candidates ends up with enough delegates at the end then it is simply open for the party to chose a winner and that could even be someone who has not been running???

Or did I just make that up?

I have this queasy feeling that Palin will somehow be inserted after all is said and done (not that Romney Dangerfield or Sanatorium Escapee are any better ... )

[modwiz]

Well, Sanscrotum (remember what san(s) means in Latin) won Mississippi and Alabama. As, Forrest Gump said, "Stupid is, as stupid does." They probably didn't need fake votes in this instance.

Why doesn't that make me feel any better? :confused:

Only thing that would make me feel better is watching the Ron Paul vs Fox News Matrix makeover fight scene (... again ... *sigh*).

I don't normally "do politics" ... but is it correct if none of the GOP candidates ends up with enough delegates at the end then it is simply open for the party to chose a winner and that could even be someone who has not been running???

Or did I just make that up?

I have this queasy feeling that Palin will somehow be inserted after all is said and done (not that Romney Dangerfield or Sanatorium Escapee are any better ... )

You think Palin. I go with Jeb Bush. I think he already said he wouldn't do it. In reverse speech that means he is drooling for the job. :yuck::ohwell::gossip::painkiller::bad:

[Calz]

You think Palin. I go with Jeb Bush. I think he already said he wouldn't do it. In reverse speech that means he is drooling for the job. :yuck::ohwell::gossip::painkiller::bad:


Must be a politician thing ... you know ... like "I didn't inhale"??? :smokin:

[Referee]

Great Post MIA! Thank You Lets Blow the Doors of this.

[Solstyse]

Is there a separate thread where we can discuss Protocols of the Elders of Zion?? I would like to talk about it more, but not Under this thread.
If there is not, I think Modwiz or Seehas should start one :)

[grannyfranny100]

I have tremendous respect for Ron Paul. After all his years in Congress, he knows the corruption he is up against. I doubt he can get cooperation to make changes unless the country rallies around him and pressure their elected representatives. We need to vote in replacements for the corrupt ones and scream loud when Congress plays their games and doesn't work with him for change. Unfortunately most people don't care, lack values and never learned any critical thinking skills.

Moreover, Dr. Paul knows full well that he is at the top of the hit list of many of the banksters and their ilk, yet he valiantly continues with his campaign. God bless Dr Ron Paul.

[createnjoy]

In last night's interview by Kerry Cassidy, the whistleblower reported that the past 20 years of elections have been controlled by satellites - particularly targeting voting machines.

[risveglio]

Ron Paul is Going to Win

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[WhiteFeather]

The first video is down. Can you find it and post it again Jack.

[seehas]

Is there a separate thread where we can discuss Protocols of the Elders of Zion?? I would like to talk about it more, but not Under this thread.
If there is not, I think Modwiz or Seehas should start one :)


great idea, but maybe a admin could move our posts the that thread would be much better because modwiz posted some realy usefull information allready.

[Maia Gabrial]

just my words there, but its not legal in every country in germany u will go to jail for that even if they find them in your bag you are in big big trouble.


Funny you should bring this up. It's alot worse than that in Germany. They're gagged. Here's a country that was set up as the scene of the Rothschilds agenda and to this day, Germans are still being punished. Disgusting....But the whole point is that TPTW are stil following the playbook....

[Maia Gabrial]

Thanks Rick Santorum! I WILL vote for Ron Paul! I was going to anyway....
I want what the Constitution says: limited govt!

[TargeT]

Thanks Rick Santorum! I WILL vote for Ron Paul! I was going to anyway....
I want what the Constitution says: limited govt!

:(

Ron Paul could have been the champion of the 9/11 movement; I was convinced nano thermite was used for a long time, too many details fit for that; but I honestly am not sure now, but I do know that a REAL investigation is needed one that DOESN'T discount where the funding came from for the supposed "hijackers" or basically ignore building 7...

but he's not... and that's a unignorable stance in my mind... Oh and one other thing.. I've read most of the books written by Dr Paul & all I have to say is this: you must END THE FED before you can introduce a one world currency....

Maybe I'm just jaded on politics

[PurpleLama]

The voting machines were made to be manipulated, so elections can be delivered to the highest bidder, or perhaps handed to the loyal boot lickers of the BiP.

rVTXbARGXso

This video should be required viewing material for every American man, woman, and child.

FWIW, mod, I never heard a single person say they were going to vote for anyone but Ron Paul. Hell, I never even saw campaign posters for anyone else, either.

[modwiz]

The voting machines were made to be manipulated, so elections can be delivered to the highest bidder, or perhaps handed to the loyal boot lickers of the BiP.

rVTXbARGXso

This video should be required viewing material for every American man, woman, and child.

FWIW, mod, I never heard a single person say they were going to vote for anyone but Ron Paul. Hell, I never even saw campaign posters for anyone else, either.
It's worth knowing that Santard is a much a phony win as a candidate. MSM, probably counts on some of us just assuming that ol' Santard is singing the Southern song with his homage to piety and thumps on a bible. FWIW, it is comforting to know that the USA might become a great country again because its' people woke up and found a common cause in just being decent again.

[PurpleLama]

I just realized the vid in the op is actually a clip of the full version that I posted. The actual movie is not specifically in reference to RP, and is much more recent that 2001. It references elections from 2000 to 2008, IIRC. I listened to pretty much the whole thing yesterday, and I firmly believe it should be required watxhing for every person in the US.

[Carmody]

I've always thought, every now and then, of kubaton (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/218ZudtxiIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg) key chains.



And when you are first in line at the given voting booth, one's key chain might accidentally come into contact with the voting hardware/screen.

Then they'd be forced to go to the paper back up system.

What a shame.

[jackovesk]

Campaign forced to move event to arena as thousands turn up; rivals draw crowds of less than 100

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
March 15, 2012

http://i.cdn.turner.com/ireport/sm/prod/2012/03/14/WE00726403/2035065/20120314191532684jpg-2035065_p9.jpg

GOP presidential contender Ron Paul continues to draw massive crowds as he campaigns across the country. Yesterday saw almost five thousand people turn out in Illinois to see the Congressman, while his rivals can only draw crowds in and below the hundreds.

Paul’s supporters will once again be asking serious questions as to where his rivals are getting their votes from, as another raucous mass of humanity provided the Congressman with a rock star welcome.

The original venue of Foellinger Auditorium, around a 1500 capacity building at The University of Illinois, had to be switched to George Huff Hall, a gymnastics and volleyball arena, following a deluge of early RSVPs.

As he introduced Paul, Illinois Republican Rep. Tim Johnson told the crowd that they were part of the single biggest turnout of Paul’s 2012 campaign to date.

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/9b8827e2d9e8f8bf88bfe6fcb/images/UofIL1_500x282_.jpg

Temperatures reached 80 degrees outside, yet the un-air conditioned Huff Hall was bursting with supporters who boisterously chanted “President Paul” over and over.

Paul spoke for around 45 minutes on a host of issues including The Federal Reserve, the IRS, The Patriot Act, and even the issue of students being able to choose their own mascots.

“The Patriot Act never would have been passed,” Paul urged, “if it had been called ‘Repeal the Fourth Amendment’!”

The Congressman also told the huge crowd that since the current administration passed laws by executive orders, a “constitutional president can use an executive order to repeal those laws.”

“We have a reasonably good constitution,” Paul added. “It’s just — we need to use it once in a while.”

http://gallery.mailchimp.com/9b8827e2d9e8f8bf88bfe6fcb/images/UofIL2_500x282_.jpg

Of course, the event was not covered by ANY mainstream media sources. As we reported yesterday, the last embedded reporter covering Ron Paul was reassigned this week.

The Washington Post, meanwhile, was covering a Newt Gingrich event not too far away in Rosemont, Illinois. Seventy, yes 70, people showed up, prompting the reporter to write “There were all the trappings of a campaign event, except one — the supporters.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/rf/image_606w/WashingtonPost/Content/Blogs/election-2012/Images/Gingrich-IL.jpg?uuid=v39XeG4iEeGhdVXOh_GhQA

“A half-hour before the event started, only one woman was seated in the ballroom; most of the chairs remained stacked at the sides of the hall.” the report stated.

Earlier in the week, Mitt Romney drew a handful of supporters to a small park in St. Louis, complete with adventure fun slide and swings.

http://o3.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/PATCH/resize/600x450/http://hss-prod.hss.aol.com/hss/storage/patch/cfee523853a99730a60ac606f15f09db

And these were the scenes at the weekend at Rick Santorum’s Kansas town hall meeting where 150 people showed up.

http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/417091_10150734660143487_547903486_11409603_1587284752_n.jpg

The reality is clear – Ron Paul has a dedicated mass of grassroots popular support, while the other candidates are relying solely on media bias and establishment backing to get ahead.

Watch Paul’s speech to the record breaking crowd in Illinois below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvOt_Lr_GI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvOt_Lr_GI

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-draws-massive-crowd-of-5000-in-illinois/

[seehas]

interesting post jackovesk, how does the american media handle this?

i found a very true quote in your report

"Paul spoke for around 45 minutes on a host of issues including The Federal Reserve, the IRS, The Patriot Act, and even the issue of students being able to choose their own mascots."

thats what the whole thing is about ;) if u see mascot as president u know what i mean

[modwiz]

This suppression of the truth is wearing thin. It is going to burst before the conventions. It is too obvious that news is no longer real, but a complete contrivance. When people are lied to they like it to be done with some care and attempt at making it look real. The bums in the lineup drawing small crowds are going to find it hard to fake it much longer. These egomaniacs are going to crack being ignored.

[modwiz]

Is there a separate thread where we can discuss Protocols of the Elders of Zion?? I would like to talk about it more, but not Under this thread.
If there is not, I think Modwiz or Seehas should start one :)

I think the Chapter headings tell a story whose plot we can know see very clearly. The plan is clear. Who is implementing it? Who aids and abets it?
Whoever they happen to be are our criminals. They all belong in prisons.

Protocol I The Basic Doctrine
Protocol II Economic Wars
Protocol III Methods of Conquest
Protocol IV Materialism Replace Religion
Protocol V Despotism and Modern Progress
Protocol VI Take-Over Technique
Protocol VII World-Wide Wars
Protocol VIII Provisional Government
Protocol IX Re-education
Protocol X Preparing for Power
Protocol XI The Totalitarian State
Protocol XII Control of the Press
Protoco XIII Distractions
Protocol XIV Assault on Religion
Protocol XV Ruthless Suppression

http://zioncrimefactory.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Protocols-of-Zion.pdf

I have no desire to discuss this subject. I just believe every person is better informed knowing of it. Again, who wrote it isn't really important. It is who is carrying it out. It isn't a crime to write this crap, but it is to enact it.

It's just a book written by Luciferics. It is the ones who are infected with the ideas and perpetrating them who are the enemies of all humanity. If even a relatively small portion of "all of humanity" gets up to speed on this, it is lights out for the perps. They are insignificant in their numbers. The sea of humanity will swallow them to never be seen again.

Ron Paul could lead more effectively if he had an informed populace working with him. He is just one man, he needs a nation of in the know people to help him clean up the mess.

[PurpleLama]

I wonder if someone would hack the hackers hacking our democracy, so to speak. Beat 'em at their own game.

[markpierre]

There's only one thing that comes to mind that would force attention on the problem. Unfortunately all out riots play right into the wrong agenda.

Personally and thankfully, I believe in miracles.

[Maia Gabrial]

Still, the whole point is that the SYSTEM is what needs fixing. It's so corrupt and this testing of the voting machines proves it. And it's been going on for such a long time, only we didn't know about it until now....

Judge Napalotano asked the question: "What if they're lying about Ron Paul?"
Don't jump on me yet, but think about this for a moment while I let my conspiracy theory loose on you.

All of the choices for candidates are UNsatisfactory. Every last one of them falls short of the type of representative we want; especially given these horrible times. Let's face it, no one wants 4 more years of Obama who has DEFINITELY proven to be anti-America in all he does.

David Icke talks about "Problem, Reaction and Solution" all the time. We all understand this, but we don't always "recognize" it being played on us.
Look at all of our choices for candidates. Not one of them with honor or integrity. But Ron Paul is being billed as the only one who has it. (Right now, even I believe he has all the qualities I'm looking for). Lame Stream is playing this game against us. And we all know that this is not the first time that they've deceived us. How many times have they deflected the attention of the American people away from serious matters, and then it was completely "forgotten"????? (I'm still waiting for an explanation as to why Billy Clinton got away with treason by selling the Chinese the guidance systems and not prosecuted? I'm pointing one of my fingers at Lame Stream.)

By Lame Stream ignoring Ron Paul as they have, they've brought MORE attention to him. Why? Because that's how the psychology works..... Present us with crappy choices where we have to choose the best of the worst and we've played into the game. In this case, we're all screaming and begging for Ron Paul. And he may very well be THEIR chosen one....

Again, I want to repeat what the Judge asked "What if they're lying about Ron Paul?" What if he's THEIR solution?
What if, he's the final nail on our freedoms' coffin? I'm sensing "problem, reaction, solution" here....

The system is so broke, my friends. We need to quit fooling ourselves..... Even Jesus wouldn't stand a chance in this corrupted system. In fact, I'll bet he'd change it, too.
Instead of continuing to play the game as TPTW have set up, let's change it, repair it - ANYTHING! but NOT play it their way anymore. This is OUR lives, OUR America and OUR freedoms! We have the RIGHT to overthrow this system, and replace it with something we think is better.

It's been written with ink and pen.... all in black and white....

[nomadguy]

Campaign forced to move event to arena as thousands turn up; rivals draw crowds of less than 100

Steve Watson
Infowars.com
March 15, 2012

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GOP presidential contender Ron Paul continues to draw massive crowds as he campaigns across the country. Yesterday saw almost five thousand people turn out in Illinois to see the Congressman, while his rivals can only draw crowds in and below the hundreds.

Paul’s supporters will once again be asking serious questions as to where his rivals are getting their votes from, as another raucous mass of humanity provided the Congressman with a rock star welcome.

The original venue of Foellinger Auditorium, around a 1500 capacity building at The University of Illinois, had to be switched to George Huff Hall, a gymnastics and volleyball arena, following a deluge of early RSVPs.

As he introduced Paul, Illinois Republican Rep. Tim Johnson told the crowd that they were part of the single biggest turnout of Paul’s 2012 campaign to date.

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Temperatures reached 80 degrees outside, yet the un-air conditioned Huff Hall was bursting with supporters who boisterously chanted “President Paul” over and over.

Paul spoke for around 45 minutes on a host of issues including The Federal Reserve, the IRS, The Patriot Act, and even the issue of students being able to choose their own mascots.

“The Patriot Act never would have been passed,” Paul urged, “if it had been called ‘Repeal the Fourth Amendment’!”

The Congressman also told the huge crowd that since the current administration passed laws by executive orders, a “constitutional president can use an executive order to repeal those laws.”

“We have a reasonably good constitution,” Paul added. “It’s just — we need to use it once in a while.”

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Of course, the event was not covered by ANY mainstream media sources. As we reported yesterday, the last embedded reporter covering Ron Paul was reassigned this week.

The Washington Post, meanwhile, was covering a Newt Gingrich event not too far away in Rosemont, Illinois. Seventy, yes 70, people showed up, prompting the reporter to write “There were all the trappings of a campaign event, except one — the supporters.”

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“A half-hour before the event started, only one woman was seated in the ballroom; most of the chairs remained stacked at the sides of the hall.” the report stated.

Earlier in the week, Mitt Romney drew a handful of supporters to a small park in St. Louis, complete with adventure fun slide and swings.

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And these were the scenes at the weekend at Rick Santorum’s Kansas town hall meeting where 150 people showed up.

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The reality is clear – Ron Paul has a dedicated mass of grassroots popular support, while the other candidates are relying solely on media bias and establishment backing to get ahead.

Watch Paul’s speech to the record breaking crowd in Illinois below:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvOt_Lr_GI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djvOt_Lr_GI

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-draws-massive-crowd-of-5000-in-illinois/

I agree that Congressman Paul draws good crowds. Much bigger than his counterparts, But HUGE? >>>Not at all.
Remember the Obama Rallies? those were huge. Even Bush rallies were "actually" huge by comparison.
Oh and by the way, let history show us that the most popular president doesn't equal good policy or any measure of success for a country.

TO call this huge is to give credit for nothing. If we want Ron Paul as preseident play the opposite tune. Play this down. Call it what it is a "good showing" of support. 5000 is not a big showing...

[jackovesk]

March 20th, 2012

Location: NBC Studios, 3000 West Alameda Avenue, Burbank, CA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnjf2PlTj8Y&feature=youtu.be
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnjf2PlTj8Y&feature=youtu.be

:clap2:

[Debra]

Good move Ron! Get on Leno. The man strikes me as so real and ready to scoop up all the BS. I doubt very much he is linked in any way to TPTB or W and he is ready for them when they do come visiting. All protection around this man. PLEASE

[jackovesk]

April 03, 2012 Russia Today News


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oVOH4XPMEtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oVOH4XPMEtk

:clap2:

[Alie]

April 03, 2012 Russia Today News


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oVOH4XPMEtk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=oVOH4XPMEtk

:clap2:

According to the video, Ron Paul is the leader of the new politics ... most importantly to the younger generation. They suggest he's already won because his message is going to go forward after the election.

I wonder ... is Ron Paul the GRAY CHAMPION?

My favorite book, The 4th Turning by William Strauss and Neil Howe was written in 1997. They spoke of "the gray champion" coming at the time of the 4th Turning (now or coming). They refer to a story by Nathaniel Hawthorne's ...


Hawthorne describes the civil unrest in the new city of Boston due to the failure of the English king to meet their needs; and he has sent his own officials to govern the colonists against their will.

When the governor decides to hold a procession in the name of the King showing his dominance of the colonists, an unknown old man in high-ranking robes steps out of the crowd and blocks the procession, causing the English officials to turn back with their tails between their legs.

This old man, who is dubbed "The Gray Champion" by the Bostonians, has never before been seen by anyone in the town; just as he appeared suddenly to defy the governor, he disappears when the governor has fled. The old man in this story is a symbol of the colonist’s defiance to the King and his representative in the person of the governor.

Hawthorne conveys hope for the colonists through this one man’s ability to defy the governor, suggesting that it will eventually lead more and more people to find the courage to stand up for themselves.

The story's tone is very uplifting and inspiring because if the Champion can defy the governor then maybe it is possible to do even greater things in the name of liberty.


From The 4th Turning ...

"Change is just ahead on the horizon, but will the anticipated change come at the behest of a “Gray Champion,” an “ancient man,” a “priest-warrior” or a “Priest-King?” Will THE ONE, chosen to lead the US at this time, a Fourth Turning of such acute instability on all fronts be capable of such a charge? Could anyone? And dare anyone challenge the collective choice as the voice of “providence” which has put such a “one” among us for this time?

[bennycog]

wish i could vote for him :)

[Douglass]

Freedom ! :)

[Maia Gabrial]

And maybe Ron Paul will be the best leader we've ever had! Hopefully, when all the arrests happen and the slimes are locked up, he'll be able to implement some good changes for our country.
Hope so.... He's already got my vote....

[Endity]

Ron paul is the only one selling any truth. I don't see how people honestly could blindly follow anyone else. I mean how ignorant do you have to be to not want less government, abolish the fed, ect ect. I think what scares stupid people is his stance on foreign policies. Which tbh would honestly fix alot of problems we have with people hating us. We need to stay in our own country, get our economy up and running, and help our poor and our sick reach a much better standard of living.

[kcbc2010]

I think the key to Ron's success isn't a Presidential victory, but in the people who are inspired by him to move forward w/his ideas and running for office in the future.

Alie makes a good point in looking to the research of Strauss/Howe because a lot of what's going on is generational mass movement by an earlier generation trying to assert its authority on the culture. I think that people under 45ish are the ones who are the most receptive to Paul's message because we are the ones who see the amount of money we will need to pay to sustain the system and are frightened by it. That bodes well for the future. The problem is that we are nearing a fault line between the generations because seniors vote and depend on the social programs for their health care/retirement. Since a lot of us in the under 40-45 crowd don't vote or participate for various reasons. I'm glad to see that the Paul people are interested in living up to his ideals, but it's not going to matter much if they don't run for office and change the political culture.

I don't have a problem with that. In fact, I'd welcome it. However, a lot of people need to realize that they can't keep acting like free agents and if they want to change the party, they need to work w/in the Party structure to change it. The Party isn't going to change just because you want it too. A lot of us have been fighting this fight w/varying success for a long time, but you have to persuade people with your ideas and get a candidate that can appeal to the mainstream of the party. I'm so sick of having this argument with people, but the thing is that while a lot of us love the message of Ron Paul, he's not the right messenger. A lot of people are really turned off by the people who support Ron Paul and that's something that his supporters really need to deal with if they are going to attract more people to their coalition. You can sit and call me names, but that's where the mainstream of the Party is at and you can't keep alienating people w/o that reflecting on your ideas/candidates.

I'm sorry. I don't mean to be so angry, but I've been having this fight a lot lately and it's really bothersome because I actually want Paul's ideas to succeed in our Party. I'm just concerned about how that's going to happen when his supporters don't seem to realize that they need to be more tactful and respectful towards the people they are trying to persuade. Tone matters. Visuals matter. You don't have to destroy the whole Party because there are people who already supporting Paul quietly. Peace/Love.

[Virgo]

ron paul is speaking at the maine republican convention in may. http://www.asmainegoes.com/content/mainewire-ron-paul-will-speak-maine-gop-convention i will be there to cast my vote for ron paul.

[xbusymom]

I THINK...

we ought to have a "double-count' vote tally... go back to paper ballots and then have a copy machine available for everyone to take a picture of what they voted

get a second copy of the roster and have a third party agency count up the copies... (see if they match with the OFFICIAL votes)

just add another layer of checks and balances...

[Endity]

I am preety sure they went to computer that way all accountability could be erased. Put your lil vote in there hit the VOTE button and it dissapears into la la land!! YAY

[Alie]

As a "conspiracy theorist" I just don't think the presidency is open for the people's choice. And as a proponent of natural healing, I don't believe people will change or do what they don't have the will/passion to do.

Change only happens in an individual when they are inspired to do it from within. No amount of talking to or pleading with someone will bring about change. Whatever can penetrate the intellect and inspire the heart/soul ... that's the way in --- music/video/movie --- massage, etc.

[Bo Atkinson]

I'm tired of switching parties for nomination-votes (and waiting hours to get a vote in, but would love Ron Paul for president, with few regrets, like his probable edict on abortion-rights-privacy).

Much as Allie says, i do see this as just another puppet-contest. Using heavy lip stick on the most impudent icons of opposite polarities... (masked-dictator vs masked-warmonger, this time around) Along with the threat of ruining one's retirement or workplace, if they vote wrong! To rationalize any of this might be hopeless. I'm half thinking of creative lawn signs for the election-- Except for the uselessness of trying to engage philosophic thought. heh.

[bennycog]

he saysnot long in the beginning.. " bay guy a or bad giuy b whoever is the victor" anyone here this?

[trenairio]

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[robinr1]

what are the flaws?

[Kerrigan]

one does not simply explain politics with internet memes.

[markpierre]

Libertarianism is a principle that gives not only autonomy back to the individual, but responsibility. It's not the solution to everything, because it's not the solution to individual irresponsibility.
People have to actually grow up and learn what a human adult is, and teach that as a desirable goal to their children. We're talking about more than holding an economy together, we're talking about
the potential to develop culture to at least as effective a model as the civilizations that lasted in harmony for thousands of years.

The current system is a dissolution of everything.
Humanity looks pretty stupid right now in light of factual history.

[T Smith]

The Austrian School produces a more prosperous society for the greatest number in the long run and is more conducive to human freedom, mass creativity, and self determination for the human species as a whole. There are a group of elitists, human or otherwise, who would emphatically disagree and prefer to direct human evolution per the better judgements of their own fancies, but these are the same group of actors would advocate for a social order founded on slavery, eugenics, and feudalism. Keynesianism (more accurately, the principals undergirding Keynesianism) produces a stable social order, for a while, but always directs societies to conditions of total bondage, which ultimately leads to mass suffering, human sacrifice, upheaval, and a violent revolution at the end of its cycle. Rendered to it most base expression, Keynesianism is resoundingly anti-human at the end of the day.

However, societies heavily dependent on Government, as the Keynesian model ensures, cannot possibly switch over to Austrian principals overnight, any more than a drug addict can come off his dependency on drugs cold turkey. That's not to say that being perpetually doped up and zombified on prescription drugs or heroin is preferable to being clean. In this sense, yes, the Austrian system -- the natural and organic method of human interaction and exchange -- would likely be unstable at first, if implemented too aggressively by a reformist like Ron Paul, same as the addict would be unstable without his fix. If Austrian principals were ever implemented aggressively out of the gate, say after an complete economic collapse, the shortcomings and instabilities that would likely ensue would wrongly be attributed to the libertarian economic philosophy instead the manner in which it was tried and tested. It would be a disaster to remove all government controls overnight and it would indeed create an unstable social structure.

But be of no mistake. Ron Paul and his mentors Hayek and Mises have it right. The best approach would be to ween ourselves into adopting the Austrian School, bit by bit.

[andrewgreen]

At least support what you say with evidence, facts or some kind of argument why it won't work. Ron Paul's ideas are the only forward thinking ones that support evolution of humanity in a positive way. The Austrian model is just part of the left right paradigm that we need to get away from. We need individuals like Ron Paul who can look at the whole picture without becoming subjective/corrupted to left or right political ideas. Ron Paul's not the future because he is too old but I hope he's the inspiration to whole lot of people in reshaping their political thinking.

[jackovesk]

US Marines Major Christopher Miller, tells the 'TRUTH'..!

Apr 22, 2012

US Marines Major Christopher Miller at Missouri GOP Congressional District 3 convention, April 21, 2012. Debate on Presidential candidates before voting on delegate slates.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OVgYCMjr8c&feature=g-logo&context=G2cc8826FOAAAAAAABAA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OVgYCMjr8c&feature=g-logo&context=G2cc8826FOAAAAAAABAA

:clap2:...:clap2:...:clap2:...

PS - The 'Sleeping Giant' is starting to gain momentum and Real (Grassroot) support...:yes4:

[crosby]

my brother is on this same path. thank you jack. i am sad.
warmest regards, corson

[haibane]

This has just been forwarded to my attention:

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Looks like things are about to get more interesting again? Ron Paul winning the election might not actually be a complete science-fiction after all ...
(^__^ )

[Calz]

Crap ... cannot resist.

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[A Simple Human]

Well, I just voted for him and all his delegates today in Pennsylvania's Republican Primary. :usa2:

Unfortunately, Romney is slated to win PA according to the MSM. :frusty:

At least I did my part.

[risveglio]

Thanks A.S.H.

I have spent the better part of the last 3 years pushing for Ron Paul and though most of my PA friends have been busting my chops about it, they all called me to tell me they voted for Ron Paul. I think the strategy is working.

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