David Wilcock calls James Martinez a hoax!

[randymaugans]

On 01-01-2011- Conscious Media Network posted an interview with James Martinez (http://www.cmn.tv/news/new-world-currency/):, where James states that:




"This announcement is to serve as the introduction of a New Global Economic Structure that will begin surfacing in 2012. Those involved in this plan are calling it the “greatest humanitarian effort” in modern history. It will be for each of us to determine over time if this is a truthful statement."

The full interview and details are posted with the video.

Within 12 hours David Wilcock posted (http://www.divinecosmos.com/start-here/davids-blog/1022-lawsuit-end-tyranny-ii) the following:




"The moderators informed me we are getting inundated with comments from people linking to a story on Conscious Media Network about someone claiming to represent an alliance of 130 countries that will be launching a new financial system.

THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit -- and they told me this story is not true.

It is possible that we are just dealing with someone looking for publicity. It is also possible that this is intended to distract people from the real issue and do it in a way that can be discredited, so people do not believe the real story."

Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy have previously interviewed Mr. Martinez for a Camelot interview on 30 November 2009, so both of these, seeming "competitors" are known to the PC/PA audiences. It is HIGHLY unlikely that Mr. Wilcock is unaware of Mr. Martinez work---his ambiguous posting not withstanding---yet he dismisses Martinez as: "... someone looking for publicity." He also quips: "It is also possible that this is intended to distract people from the real issue and do it in a way that can be discredited, so people do not believe the real story."

Wilcock also maintains that: " Kerry Cassidy vouched for the legitimacy of the man giving the information. "

I call BS! Kerry has also denied the real identity of "Anonymous" who appeared on the infamous live radio show where David has his crying fit---yet, this same entity, Anonymous, is NOT who he claims to be. Given the hysteria and theatrics of David Wilcock over the last month, why should we believe him? And WHY does he operate in such a clandestine manner? Why does he dismiss a well-known researcher and media expert as Mr. Martinez as a "hoax" in search of publicity and a "disinfo agent"?

These are questions I would ask of Kerry, but she does not reply to my emails. Ditto for David. I have requested a reply from Mr. Martinez on this subject.

Listeners and readers need to begin asking tough questions of their media sources NOW! The BS, hidden agendas, cloaked identities, and drama queen antics are stale and only serve the dark side in splitting the truth seekers into camps. Project Camelot has lost a lot of its hard-won integrity over figures like Wilcock and Richard Hoagland.

Do we continue to paddle in the pool of vague innuendo and "star figures" at the expense of some solid reporting? Do we allow the communities of truth to be split off and destroyed by emotional theatrics and cheap "mysterioso" figures...or do we pull the plug and begin to swim in the upstream of reality?

It's time to ask the RIGHT questions and STOP promoting agendas that read like a dime store novel. My articles on the subject are posted at the OffPlanet Radio blog (http://exotica-radio.com/articles/) where anyone is welcomed to comment. I have asked James Martinez to be interviewed on my show, which is about to announce a new network affiliation.

Randy Maugans - OffPlanet Radio (http://exotica-radio.com/)

[Unified Serenity]

Whooooo wipes the tears of laughter from my eyes...... side still hurting. If you believe this bilge, I have another story for you:


THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit -- and they told me this story is not true.

LMFAO..... me me me mememememmemememememememememeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee lmfao

[Zillah]

I couldn't agree more - Im feeling fatigued but will not quit this is for certain...

However, this who's right and who's wrong is completely distracting us from what we really should be paying attention to - this is turning into a pissing contest.

I love David, always have - stood up for him, however my gut is telling me this is now getting out of alignment - we need to sit and breathe and focus on the big picture, regardless of who's telling it.

Ever play the game telephone? At the end, no matter how much we f*cked up the message, we all figure it out. Lets hope this turns out the same.

David, I know its crazy, tough, and overwhelming but pllllllllllllease chill out.

Much love.

[Kristin]

Thanks Randy,
Kerry has always had a policy of openness when interviewing people, a few things come into mind like the "Heather Material". Though many did not agree with the content and the legitimacy was full of holes; she went on anyway to report the claims. I find that this is her standard. There seems to be a very open policy as to who and why she is involved in these things. Her stock answer will be that she is just reporting to find the truth. It's her get out of jail card, free. I am in agreement that questions need to be answered and that all of this smacks of a publicity stunt IMHO. However, the question that you pose which interests me most is why discredit Martinez... I' glad you are having the interview with James. Let us know what your new network affiliation is. I hope this doesn't turn into another circus, I'm a little tired of not seeing the man behind the curtain.
Thanks,
Worm

[Unified Serenity]

The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

[randymaugans]

Don't misunderstand: there is a LOT a stake here. ANY "global economic" realignment should be viewed with deep skepticism. After all, we have already lived under a global economy for over 60 years (Bretton Woods). It has been the source of massive wars, the worst greed in history, and a toll of MILLIONS of human lives,. This is not some side-show event. The fact that two competing camps are at work---and given what we know about how the cabal operate---means that sloppy, emotionally based media exploitation cannot be tolerated. Weighing the two "sides" as presented by Mr. Martinez and Mr. Wilcock, I will give James the benefit of the doubt on the basis of solid character and a measured effort over many years in his work.

I have accepted an invitation from Dave Corso---which was publicly made on the 01-01-2012 show with Dave, Duncan, and Miranda.details are still being worked out. That said, I still hope for a recovery of balance at Project Camelot---this is not a competitive bid, it is a call for those who are playing in the media realm to "get real". decisons are being made that affect ALL OF US!

[childs hood end]

Martinez looks like he`s tellin lyes in that interview on c.m.n,,
as for wilcock` thats the secound time he`s knockin others ?
is every story just full of ****,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,?

[Kristin]

Have you read the lawsuit Randy? What do you think?
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[randymaugans]

James Martinez is not know for lying. On the other hand, it's hard to see David's for his "crying towel". What id this is ALL a set-up?

[randymaugans]

I read it. Anyone can initiate a lawsuit in a venue, the question is whether it will ever be reviewed, heard, or decided. WHO run the courts? WHO controls the MONEY?
To date none of the lawsuits around missing sums of money have taken wings. I am skeptical enough to believe "they" do not give it up so easily. Of the two, Mr. Martinez present a more compelling grasp of actually working in the system to effect change for people---Mr. Wilcock has NO track record in the economic realm (other than a NY Times best-seller...and WHO financed THAT?)

[Cidersomerset]

This is part of what I've been on about for the last 2 years......

James interview with Dr.Rossi last week......He says Cold fusion is imminent.....interesting ???

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2011-12-29--1200---Cash_Flow.mp3
( posted wrong link, this is the right one cheers)


Kerry has interviewed James twice now the second time was just before she went to India....
He is the second interviewee and is on for a couple hrs.
They don,t talk about this subject.They talk about Walter Bowart and mind control and other subjects.
Worth a listen if you have not heard it , and will give you a feeling about James...Who seems a very genuine human being to me!!!

http://www.americanfreedomradio.com/archive/Project-Camelot-32k-101211.mp3

[Kristin]

James Martinez is not know for lying. On the other hand, it's hard to see David's for his "crying towel". What if this is ALL a set-up?"

I'll be honest with you, after I read the lawsuit I believed from that moment that it was a set-up. My father was a NY Judge. I've read a lot of these statement of claims. I don't think it has legs, as is. That's been the main point that has kept me from sitting on the pin cushion. I HOPE for more here. But that hope is very slender and no one likes to be disappointed. We'll see what happens. Regardless, time will be telling the story on this one soon.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[gripreaper]

Careful here. This may be an effort to discredit and "divide and conquer" the alternative media. MSM viewership has been falling exponentially and the alternative media is growing leaps and bounds. There's a "shakeup" as people look for a place to get true and real information, and disinfo campaigns are bound to pop up. Hang onto your hats here for a day or three, and let's pull back the curtain and see what happens.

David calling Martinez a HOAX was a bit over the top for me.

[Unified Serenity]

I agree gripreaper, but who is starting it? Who is putting it out there for people to choose a side? Who ?

[jackovesk]

I have only 2 questions for David Wilcock:

"Why all of a sudden did you decide to virtually (Take Over) Ben Fulford's story in the 1st Place..?"

"When did you ever become a 'Financial Journalist'..?"

Enough said..!

[Unified Serenity]

I have only 2 questions for David Wilcock:

"Why all of a sudden did you decide to virtually (Take Over) Ben Fulford's story in the 1st Place..?"

"When did you ever become a 'Financial Journalist'..?"

Enough said..!

I think that happened when it became the hot topic de jour. Let's all focus on the way to change this, let's all focus on who can lead us out of this mess while they say it's to wake us up so we can do it, but wait, there's more......

We all know what freedom is internally. We had it stolen from us when we first lost alloidal titles. We all lost it when our communities were industrialized and we became cogs in a wheel. We all lost it when we lost our roots. Ever wonder why the "new age" movement is so focused on first learning how to ground? Roots are vital for a plant, a person, a community to grow, to show love and care about one another you have to feel secure and know with whom you are yoked and know it's equal.

There is no equality if 99% never know security.

[gripreaper]

I agree gripreaper, but who is starting it? Who is putting it out there for people to choose a side? Who ?

Good question. We do know that the nefarious elite bloodline families at the top of the pyramid, who control the global money supply (except of three rogue little countries) all the means of production, all the energy, governments and militaries, are VERY powerful, entrenched and will not give up thousands of years of power and control, just because a couple of ninja's say they will kill them, or 130 countries say they will go against them and they better back off.

If it is true, that this opposing energy has been working on this for hundreds of years, and there is in fact enough resources and power in opposition, then it is time to bring it out into the open for all to see, instead of:

My secret source said this, and her secret "anonymous" source said that, and blah...blah...blah... oh, and by the way, you need to wait two more weeks for the release of this excellently great information and stay tuned for part 3 of this epic adventure... all you little people who are not on the inside and "in the know"

Oh, and don't forget to buy my best selling book and my DVD's!

It's time to call everybody out onto the carpet.

[Unified Serenity]

I agree gripreaper, but who is starting it? Who is putting it out there for people to choose a side? Who ?

Good question. We do know that the nefarious elite bloodline families at the top of the pyramid, who control the global money supply (except of three rogue little countries) all the means of production, all the energy, governments and militaries, are VERY powerful, entrenched and will not give up thousands of years of power and control, just because a couple of ninja's say they will kill them, or 130 countries say they will go against them and they better back off.

If it is true, that this opposing energy has been working on this for hundreds of years, and there is in fact enough resources and power in opposition, then it is time to bring it out into the open for all to see, instead of:

My secret source said this, and her secret "anonymous" source said that, and blah...blah...blah... oh, and by the way, you need to wait two more weeks for the release of this excellently great information and stay tuned for part 3 of this epic adventure... all you little people who are not on the inside and "in the know"

Oh, and don't forget to buy my best selling book and my DVD's!

It's time to call everybody out onto the carpet.


You earn my new favorite video Gripreaper...... PREACH IT!!! I feel a wave of action. I know who to invite from my community when it all falls apart to farm the small bit of land I am on, to grow some food, to break bread with. I won't be holding my breath or waiting for some stupid aliens to get my bacon out of the fire, no sir.

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[Billy]

Firstly i must say i like David and the effort he puts in, but i also think he jumped on the bandwaggon when Benjamin released the info.

But looking at David's first impression responses over time, he does tend to have opinions that turn out later to be way off the mark. His original response about Benjamin's info on the lawsuit was that it was not true, he later retracted that statement.

So i keep this in mind when i hear his latest response that this is a hoax. Maybe it is or maybe not. David does not influence my decision, i will wait to taste the good fruit, ripe and ready to eat before i make my mind up.

Peace

[Bill Ryan]

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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

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• James Martinez (http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow) was a business colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bowart) - the author of the groundbreaking, whistleblowing book Operation Mind Control (http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Operation_Mind_Control_-_Walter_Bowart.pdf) published back in 1978.

This is a fabulous audio interview which will be of enormous interest to all who (like myself) benefited greatly from Bowart's seminal work. We learned from James how Bowart, who died two years ago, in many ways 'regretted' having written the book - and how he had had profound ET contact: something never before revealed, and which he had been unwilling to talk about when he was alive. We learned of his philosophy, his hope for the human race, and his awareness of the importance of the expansion of consciousness. James summed it up by stating that for Walter, it was all about the liberation of the Human Spirit. Amen.

For the 8,000 word detailed synopsis of Walter Bowart's important unpublished work, THE INVISIBLE THIRD WORLD WAR, please click here (http://projectcamelot.org/The_Invisible_Third_World_War.pdf).

http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover_sm.jpg (http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover.gif)

[Cartomancer]

This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. Dig in yourself and see what you come up with. Waiting to be spoon fed your facts and political views is not the way to go. Sure, listen to these people take the useful parts and keep on truckin' down the road.

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

[Elixer]

I watched the interview with James and must say found it a bit 'funny'.
Regina also puts up a disclaimer before showing the interview and she has brought some far-out stuff in the past without any such disclaimers.

James says he brings good news and medicine for the planet, but speaks with regret all over his face and in his voice throughout. This may just be his personality, but it looks like possibly a guilty conscience. I don't know him or of him.
Regina then also mentions that the plan he announces seems to have to do with a global currency and that it does sound like a NWO type of thing. He counters that, but ineffectively so, in my view.

The fact that he has to read the statement also strengthens my position here. It makes it a bit of a 'scripted event'.
There are a few moments where he seems to be using some type of NLP. Saying the people he helped had 'no idea about money, zero' and he "had to basically reframe a person's concept, identity for long periods of time"
Lastly, there is no real concrete information. They mention that people might even find it vague, but that more information is forthcoming. So the only reason to bring this out now is to "initiate 2012 with some hope".

To me it looks possible that he was somehow forced to bring this out.
I think there is not enough information at this time to really be sure what is right, what is hoax, or at what level the lie is happening... so to speak.

I think in the aftermath of the DW breakdown situation, people might more easily (and blatantly) dissmiss anything he has to say and I'm not sure that is the way to go.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi Bill I don't know if you have heard any of his work with Ion and Bob Nevritt.....Its great stuff and 'way out there' and although it goes against some of the info we discuss here
it somehow reasonates with me .......We are all 'wonderfull Human Creators' and about to reascend.....And loads more...Like all these views its up to all of us individually
to find our path ,but as with 'Cold Fusion' re ascending, the 'Guf' emptying, the Euro collapsing they have expressed a lot of things that should happen relitively soon???
So we are deffinately living in 'Interresting' times......Steve

This is his 1st jan 2012 show where he explains more about his announcement and reads it again at the end.......

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2012-01-01--0000---Cash_Flow.mp3

[Kristin]

I just watched the interview myself with James... I've got to say that it pushes my buttons in terms of a Global currency, however, I must retain my judgement until I can read the proposal that will hopefully be in front of us. Until that day, I will wait. Because something presses my buttons doesn't mean it's not worth looking at. I'll wait.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[joedjemal]

This whole thing, on both sides, reeks of manipulation.

There's no meat to it, no hard facts. As Gripreaper said it's all secret source he said, she said. Where's the hard data?

You can always tell the lies by the thinness of the back story. I don't believe a word of it and meanwhile in the real world the infrastructure that supports all of us is heading into cascading failure. This is a distraction. Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

[gripreaper]

One pill makes you larger
And one pill makes you small,
And the ones that mother gives you
Don't do anything at all.
Go ask Alice
When she's ten feet tall.

And if you go chasing rabbits
And you know you're going to fall,
Tell 'em a hookah smoking caterpillar
Has given you the call.
Call Alice
When she was just small.

When the men on the chessboard
Get up and tell you where to go
And you've just had some kind of mushroom
And your mind is moving low.
Go ask Alice
I think she'll know.
When logic and proportion
Have fallen sloppy dead,
And the White Knight is talking backwards
And the Red Queen's "off with her head!"
Remember what the dormouse said:
"Feed your head. Feed your head. Feed your head"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WANNqr-vcx0

[Cidersomerset]

If 'Cold Fusion' is a reality and about to rolled out in the next six months or so as Dr.Rossi states in his interview with James last Thursday....
Then it must have been sanctioned from higher up , imho and if a cheap energy source can be found, then a new monetry system is
a more realistic reality...When James says the 'elites' are on board of course they are and they will still retain power,,,,Arms, food
corporations etc but hopefully it will be a start......



James Martinez show 1/1/2012 He talks about the interview.....

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2012-01-01--0000---Cash_Flow.mp3

He names some of the people who has helped him so far and guiding him on his path to date !!

It will take years for the infrastructure to be put in place around the world but this is the start !!!

Dr.Edmund Storms site...
http://pw1.netcom.com/~storms2/

If its B.S. he is setting himself up for a almighty fall.......

http://coldfusionnow.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/cash-flow_free_energy_for_all_mankind_total.jpg

WHAT I SHOULD HAVE SAID AT THE START OF MY FIRST REPLY JAMES IS NO'HOAXER' IMHO....


P.S.....The bit I agree with is Free energy !!! Not TPTB still being in charge of a one world monetry system ....THEY STILL HAVE TO GO !!!!!....Steve

[araucaria]

This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. (...)

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

Purely on a point of order:

This makes Fulford sound guilty by association. If you are attacking Wilcock, that is one thing, stick to it.

Leave Fulford out of it: the idea may be to get him tarred with the same brush.

Or if you like, attack Fulford on the basis of his own material - but don't mix the two.

[Nortreb]

Ground Crew Alert!
It will be interesting to see how the sand sits next year at this time!

Discernment! Discernment!

[Sabrina]

If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel? Feels promising to me. But sadly Wilock raises a bit of a question mark and some ego. Give it time to breathe. Unless you don't want any of that freedom crap :)....

[Unified Serenity]

Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

Before the frost? I don't have my greenhouse done yet dagnabit!

[Jenci]

If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel?

Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette

[childs hood end]

If you really listened to your gut reaction and heart - and let go of all the troll chitter chatter - what would you feel? Feels promising to me. But sadly Wilock raises a bit of a question mark and some ego. Give it time to breathe. Unless you don't want any of that freedom crap :)....

all signs of hope feel promising, dont breathe to much` it will poison you :plane: ;)



Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette[/QUOTE]

is it a sale of desperation or part of the plot ?

[gripreaper]

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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

[BestLion]

D. Wilcox has a lot of good to say about UFOs, ancient cultures, religions, DMT, stuff on those lines but when he is getting into the economic and financial conspiracy stuff he is not helping his cause. He should stick with what he has been doing instead of dabbling into this conspiracy one world order stuff.

[Selene]

We interrupt this slanging match for a Reality Alert:

Why should anyone be surprised that there might actually be multiple groups, consortiums and financiers at work here in an open race to propose an alternative world economic system?

It’s no surprise that the Bretton Woods system is in deep trouble and collapsing. There are trillions and trillions of dollars at stake here – and nothing less than control of the world’s financial system.

Why should there be only one group grabbing for the Main Prize of all the financial power on the planet?

I’m surprised we’ve only identified two contenders so far. There will be others, for sure.

And per the 'lawsuit' : it's for a trillion friggin' dollars. Even a slim chance of winning would motivate almost anyone to take a chance on filing a relatively low-cost suit, wouldn't it? (I'll bet the lawyer here is working 'on contingency' - that is for free and a share of any award.... Duh.) Even if they negotiate an out-of-court settlement the potential profits mught still pay for their pizza. Remember, the legal recipient of the winnings is still only one private person, Keenan, not a public trust or government. Get a grip, friends.

Okay, back to today’s brawl…… :-)

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9004/epicpaperwar.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/713/epicpaperwar.jpg/)

Cheers,

Selene

[Cartomancer]

This whole Wilcock thing is a steaming pile not worthy of our attention. This is like the fifth thread on this b.s. Then all's we do is sit around and say what a charlatan he is. Wilcock accusing this guy of being a fake is hilarious. Go look in the mirror (oh looks like edgar cayce, it must be him). The truth of all of this is out there for you to find out. Just look. Don't rely on Wilcock or Fulford. (...)

The worst part of what these guys are doing is making us feel like there is a powerful group of people opposing the "cabal" so we will just sit on our rear ends waiting for 'them' to do something about it while we do nothing.

Purely on a point of order:

This makes Fulford sound guilty by association. If you are attacking Wilcock, that is one thing, stick to it.

Leave Fulford out of it: the idea may be to get him tarred with the same brush.

Or if you like, attack Fulford on the basis of his own material - but don't mix the two.

That's a great point. For some reason I don't trust either one of them. I appreciate what they are saying in a historical context but something about it just makes me doubt they are being sincere. In a way I hope I am wrong because what Fulford is saying has a lot of facts to back it up. I just wonder why 'they' would pick a personage like David Wilcock to be their messenger? He's a smart guy and does what he does well but for this kind of situation it just seems odd. They picked a person whose main audience is conspiracy theorists, Edgar Cayce fans, UFO experts, and alternative thinkers. Just the demographic that would even consider this kind of story whether true or false.

Interestingly I was listening to Alex Jones the other day and a caller was asking him about Fulford. He said he was going to have him on the show and that he was aware of what was going on. It will be telling to see if AJ devotes any time to this and how he treats Fulford if he appears on the show.

[Unified Serenity]

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On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

Visual cue maybe.... ps don't skip the ad it's important too :

Spw4QycSj4k

[gripreaper]

-------

On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

Bill, just listened to this original Camelot interview, and the "theme" which I come away with, is the utter disconnect that a certain segment of the creatures on this planet have from humanity and the soul makes it hard for an empathic human to grasp, and therefore the gulf between these two polarities is perpetuated, reinforced and magnified.

So, the context from which we view the "meme" of: Oh, there is this powerful counter-force which is going against this cabal and has the resources and the wherewithal to do so, not filtered through the context of the abject psychopathy of these nefarious elite, will most definitely miss the mark.

When people like Regina Meredith and David Wilcock show up as frontrunners and the chosen purveyors of a new dispensation, there is a disconnect here, which I believe Duncan O'Finian did a great job of illustrating, which is: Were NOT dealing with humans here who play nice, so don't send two doves into a den of vipers to negotiate an amicable settlement, FOR NO SUCH idea would even remotely resonate with these psychopaths!

It brings up red flags for me.

Visual cue maybe.... ps don't skip the ad it's important too :

Spw4QycSj4k

Anyone else want to negotiate? LOL.

[jorr lundstrom]

Cidersomerset wrote:


P.S.....The bit I agree with is Free energy !!! Not TPTB still being in charge of a one world monetry system ....THEY STILL HAVE TO GO !!!!!....Steve

Well, when mad dogs state that they have decided to go for a diet

of strawberries, I get really scared. Jts like Rolling Stones in:




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGi-Eq5MBbg


Jump right ahead and youre dead

Jump right ahead on my web

[Jenci]

[Problem, reaction, solution.

They are selling the solution.
Are we buying?

Jeanette

is it a sale of desperation or part of the plot ?

I can't think why they would be desperate about anything.

As to a plot, well yes. It could be completely made up as a hoax to keep people distracted from what they are really up to.

Or it could hinting at what they would like to do. Although I have to say that when they used Mervyn King's name, Governor of the Bank of England, to suggest that there could be change because of his comments, I was very suprised.

In 1997 immediately after Tony Blair became PM, his Chancellor of the Exchequer, Gordon Brown set up the Monetry Policy Committee and handed over government control of interest rates to the MPC and the Bank of England. Mervyn King was appointed to the MPC and later he became Governor of the Bank of England.

The significance here is that the Bank of England became independent from political control.

Gordon Brown later went on to become Prime Minister (just a personal opinion, he was the most unlikely PM ...and perhaps higher up the pyramid than Blair ever was)

Between 1997 and 2010, Gordon Brown, with his friend Mervyn King were in control of Britain's finance and those finances are a disaster. Gordon Brown is the PM who called for a New World Order to beat the financial crisis.

To this date, Mervyn King is still the Governor and has recently been knighted by the Queen to be Sir Mervyn King.

It would be nice to think perhaps he is one of the dark forces which are going to move into the light. I am more inclined that his recent comments are playing a role. I would be more sure of the fact that he will very likely end up getting a peerage and becoming a Lord with a seat in the House of Lords, when his role as Governor of Bank of England is complete.

Here's a video of Gordon Brown and his masonic handshake with King. Watch how Gordon pushes someone out of the way to get to King. How this man ever got to be Prime Minister :rolleyes: He's another one who will become a Lord, that is for sure.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiHnLBnogok&featu

source:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiHnLBnogok&featu

Jeanette

[Valley]

The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.
:nod:

[Unified Serenity]

The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.


The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.
:nod:

I'm really glad you noticed, we are making some headway here.

Well done...

Serenity

[gripreaper]

This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

This "NEW" Martinez guy? Surely you jest.

Did you not see Bill Ryan's post? Did you listen to the Camelot interview? Did you listen to Martinez follow up radio show from last night? Have you listened to ANY of his interviews in the last few years on Conscious Media Network or elsewhere?

[Cartomancer]

Gotta love the song and the male energy:

6jaW5DtKxFE

[Kimberley]

The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.
:nod:

Thank you Valley!!!


Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.

[000]

Oh hai! Another Massive New Lawsuit (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/massive-new-lawsuit-filed-against-us.html) appears in the wild.

DW dissenters, y0r kungf00 is lookin' weaker by the second. Talk is cheap, Data is priceless.

12419

In all seriousness, you guys need to take things a little less personally. If information challenges what you already know, investigate it, don't diss it, or its messengers! Unless they be epic trollin' ya.

[andrewgreen]

Wilcox has pulled the same stunt as Fulford. Claimed his life to be in danger only to receive last minute help from people who are going to give him loads of top table top secret information.

[Valley]

This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

This "NEW" Martinez guy? Surely you jest.

Did you not see Bill Ryan's post? Did you listen to the Camelot interview? Did you listen to Martinez follow up radio show from last night? Have you listened to ANY of his interviews in the last few years on Conscious Media Network or elsewhere?

He is new to me. Perhaps you can fill me in on some key points?

[Lifebringer]

I like it here. I'm not ready to move yet, and I have friends here that work in a positive manor, even though others are purging negativity daily. Just part of the evolutionary process i guess. I too, have been in inner consciousness search and have had those waves of purging, asking myself, what am I thinking of that at this time for. Sometimes not even having a "lead up" to whatever negative wave memory it was from my childhood, and sometimes other lives I may have lived, as in this one, I don't remember doing it.

It's strange because we weren't taught about it or show the purpose of this school of human experience that God wants us to go through and graduate. We still have many miles to go on the reams of hidden info, that we have yet to see.

I wait with baited breath for the transition and transformation to begin, but I also am very interested in when i choose to go home, NOT leaving the corruptness of this world for our children and children's children.
I pray that those who have been causing the harm and murder of innocents be retired to whatever judgement God deems. WE have been in such a foggy bubble, that it is high time we started living as God intended us. That's to be in service to others and have a loving and compassionate heart and mind for your fellow neighbor/human and Universal Family.

[ezone]

Maybe this as something to do with the all scenario that is beeing set:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7EjNDj97do

or this:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shgGvpkUMp4

... comments welcome :confused:
Cheer's

[mountain_jim]

Oh hai! Another Massive New Lawsuit (http://www.activistpost.com/2012/01/massive-new-lawsuit-filed-against-us.html) appears in the wild.

DW dissenters, y0r kungf00 is lookin' weaker by the second. Talk is cheap, Data is priceless.

12419

In all seriousness, you guys need to take things a little less personally. If information challenges what you already know, investigate it, don't diss it, or its messengers! Unless they be epic trollin' ya.

When reading this thread yesterday, I knew of this other lawsuit and thought about posting it here, as you later did. But since I was a bit irritated at another post above, and did not want to expend any more energy feeling this way or responding to such, that I just left the thread without contributing what I had learned to it. Glad you did.

[onawah]

The following is from Steve Beckow's site at:
https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=2&ik=5ae104857c&view=lg&msg=134a48e7c8266e10#134a48e7c8266e10_5
I have issues with some of the info on Beckow's site, particularly some of the more "airy fairy" channeled info.
(See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37825-Fulford-and-Wilcock-Corroboration-Continued-Treasure-in-Philippines&p=393237#post393237 )
But if his info is correct in the following (that the Monaco Accord group was not the origin of info that Martinez shared etc.) then this is worth considering, at least.


The James Martinez Video Was Not a Hoax

David Wilcock recently called the James Martinez video (1) a hoax. In a recent article, David wrote:

“The moderators informed me we are getting inundated with comments from people linking to a story on Conscious Media Network about someone claiming to represent an alliance of 130 countries that will be launching a new financial system.

“THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit — and they told me this story is not true.” (2)

I asked Archangel Michael last night whether it was a hoax or not and he replied that it was not. It was a quiet announcement meant to demonstrate to those who await NESARA that things are happening.

Click here to view the embedded video.

I must add that David has reached his conclusion by asking members of the Monaco Accord whether it was genuine. They said that it did not originate with them. Contrary to what David alleges, no one has said that it did.

The fact that it did not originate with members of the Monaco Accord doesn’t make it a hoax.

Archangel Michael told us last night in An Hour with an Angel, that it neither originated with the Monaco Accord group nor was it a hoax. It originated with “a group – and it is a combination group – of star beings and human beings and, can we say, with our input [i.e., celestials], that is working together.”

Now of course people of an empirical-materialist or 3D persuasion will pooh-pooh the statement that something genuine can be said to originate with star beings and celestials. But I’d like to think that the readers of this site would not and would also not to be afraid to stand on their view of reality against those who can’t appreciate that there is more to life than meets the eye – including star beings and celestials.

You may recall that David said that calling the video genuine put members (I believe) of the Monaco Accord at risk. However no one here is saying that the video originated with them. How can it put them at risk? Even the dark knows that star beings and celestials exist. The Monaco Accord may not accept their existence but the dark is not so easily fooled.

Here are Archangel Michael’s remarks:

Steve: The James Martinez video has been called a hoax. For me it seemed like a quiet announcement of NESARA. Was it a hoax? A quiet announcement? Or something else? What was it?

Archangel Michael: It was a starting flag. It was not a hoax. It was a … very quiet announcement that things are moving. And it was done in a way that it was meant and intended to reassure people that things were under way.

That all the [??] that would need to be put in place cannot possibly be shared on a wide spectrum at this moment or it would cause complete chaos and collapse. It would cause more harm than good so it was done in this manner to give hope and encouragement and to say “It’s started.”

S: Well, the Monaco Accord group says it didn’t come from them. Who did it come from? Or can you say that?

AAM: It has come from a group – and it is a combination group – of star beings and human beings and, can we say, with our input [i.e., celestials] that is working together.

S: OK, I don’t want you to expose Earth allies or anything like that. That’s enough for me personally.

AAM: Why do you think this individual would expose himself this way? He has done so at great … not risk … but risk of ridicule of himself.

S: Yes, indeed.

AAM: But he has not faltered. He has gone forward.

S: I very much understand the kind of ridicule he places himself in the path of and I respect that. The Monaco Accord people, are they or are they not part of NESARA?

AAM: They waffle back and forth. So they have certainly been part of NESARA. There is some internal derision. There is some internal politics. We are very confident that, with the infusion of light that is being put there, that this will all be sorted out. (3)

There are those who will say I wasn’t speaking to Archangel Michael last night. Some have suggested that I’ve been hoodwinked into believing I’m speaking to an archangel when I’m not.

I’m fine with people holding that opinion. It isn’t one I hold. I’ve been working with mediums since 1977 and have written books on angels, cross-cultural spirituality, enlightenment, life beyond death, extraterrestrials, etc. There is nothing inside me that says I’ve been hoodwinked. Whether you believe that or not is up to you.

I’ve had offline discussions with David who believes that NESARA itself is a hoax. He feels it’s a scam designed to bilk money from the gullible. He cites as his proof articles like the Wikipedia treatment of NESARA.

The Wikipedia article spoofs the existence of St. Germaine, calls NESARA a cult, etc. The Wikipedia article is not reliable material, in my view. It’s ill-informed and does not admit the existence of the very beings that began NESARA. What useful information can we take from something founded in empirical materialism that looks at matters that transcend empirical reality? It would be like asking a blind man to describe color.

David also points to some scams that were run in the name of NESARA. People can run scams in the name of most anything and they do. As far as I’m aware, that doesn’t reflect on NESARA but on the people running the scams.

I don’t find David’s evidence on the subject compelling. I prefer Archangel Michael’s even if, like James Martinez himself, I open myself to ridicule from 3D thinkers for doing so. Nonetheless I feel safe in saying that, on the basis of what AAM has told me, which anyone also can listen to, the James Martinez video was a genuine first step in introducing NESARA to the wider population and preparing them as part of a graduated program for the arrival of NESARA at an unannounced date.

Again I remind you that my disagreeing with David does not detract from the fact that I hold David in the highest respect. There are very few lightworkers who have contributed as much to our knowledge as he has. It just means that we don’t agree on this issue.

The James Martinez video was not a hoax. It did not originate with the Monaco Accord group. And it does relate to and foretells the coming of NESARA.
Footnotes

(1) James Martinez Video in “New Global Economy,”Conscious Media Network, January 1, 2012, at http://www.cmn.tv/news/new-world-currency/

(2) “Tough Assignment and David’s Latest on Divine Cosmos,” at http://the2012scenario.com/2012/01/tough-assignment-and-davids-latest-on-divine-cosmos/

(3) An Hour with an Angel, Jan. 2, 2012, at http://www.blogtalkradio.com/an-hour-with-an-angel

[Zillah]

Regina Meredith: More Thoughts on Global Economic Restructuring
Conscious Media Network, 01-03-2012

http://www.cmn.tv/blog/more-thoughts-on-global-economic-restructuring/

When we were approached to post this statement, we understood that it would be like blowing smoke in the beehive of the alternative news communities but we had a gut reaction to go ahead with it.

Many of the comments about the video were concerned that we are all being conned. Perhaps. Many others were justifiably critical that there are few details involved in the statement. As far as I know, the statement was designed to simply put the concept out that our monetary and economic systems are crumbling and that something has been built underneath in its place.

As I mentioned in the video, I spent some time speaking with the person who drafted the statement and they pointed out that there would be a great deal of public education that would follow in attempting to explain this new economic/business model in which “individual meritocracy” would be the goal.


Here is the definition that was given:

“Meritocracy, as it is applied to the new system, is an ideology of the system and it is an intended, individualized result.

This is not meritocracy as that term may be understood in a political sense, but is more a type of approach to enterprise administration (economic, socio-economic, humanitarian) that provides the best tools and capital for individuals/groups/NGO’s/SME’s and so on to excel and to thrive. Individualized meritocracy is what results from this approach.

For example, the removal of capital constraints coupled with greater access to external support mechanisms can enable many people to develop, implement and fund cogent plans to achieve optimum sustainable results in their personal lives and in almost any field of endeavor. It is the achievement of the highest levels of one’s individual performance – unleashed potential.

That’s just a part of the new system by the way. It goes well beyond that.”

We can read ‘New World Order’ into this if we choose, but we have no evidence whether or not this is another of their plans to enslave humanity. I can only say that the “feeling” I got when speaking with the man was one of genuineness, pragmatism and openness. This isn’t to say I can’t be fooled, but there was no glitz, no premature promises, just a clear position of intent that he assured me is backed up by many powerful people.

We are quick to point fingers but no-one seems to be working on a viable solution other than people like Michael Tellinger and his Contributionism Party in South Africa, or Michael St.Clair’s Radiant Zones.

That people are skeptical is completely understandable particularly with a heinous act such as the NDAA that Obama signed into law the same day as this announcement. But when does the time arrive that we dare to accept that something profound, even beautiful, can happen? Are we so beaten down by fear and anger that beauty and prosperity is no longer a part of our inner yearning? We are the creators of our experience. It would certainly seem to be to our advantage to give those people behind this message time to prove it. What do we have to lose except the fear that we are being made fools of? It wouldn’t be the first time. What are we gaining in holding on to our guarded, finger-pointing, defeatist beliefs that we are being ‘controlled’ by others and will be succumbing to even more control in the future?

I have had private conversations with individuals that have intelligence from the inside that there is noticeable in-fighting within these wealthy families and within governments. We are moving into a cosmic energetic alignment that will not allow for the old patterns to continue. Listen to our interview with Jessica Murray on this.

Furthermore, I have also come to understand that the true elite, the wealthiest people on the planet, are not known to any of us. We can only guess at, and project, what their role is in this. Is it fair to assume that they all wish to see humanity suffer? That is a naive assumption on our part. Bob Neveritt speaks of this in our wild ride of an interview this month in the Radio section.

Being an admitted optimist, I personally feel a sense of change in the air. I feel as though some invisible doors have been opened to the human race for new opportunity. If the message on Global Economic Restructuring is truthful, we may just be pleasantly surprised at what life on this planet might look like in the near future.

[Zillah]

Just a quick thought regarding David Wilcock's position in all of this, his blatant finger pointing when he was just under horrible scrutiny for his "outcry" --

When Fulford, or Wilcock or whomever announces they are in contact with the elite, THE ELITE - the people on top of it all - it loses me right there and I'll tell you why...

If I was truly on top of this game, or had the ultimate say as a global or universal elitest/higher power/whatever - do you think for one moment I would reveal myself? Most certainly not to David Wilcock (and please I mean no offence).

Too much information too soon, in the wrong hands or in too many hands will kill any plan. This is why I believe this "annoucement" came so bare bones - do you think we're ready to know all just yet? Look at how we're handing ourselves so far - quarreling and in full fear that we might be dooped. Its why we're getting only pieces so far, humans like to pick at things to death before it can even manifest itself! :)

If I do know anything about secrecy and how life-changing plans and systems work - no one ever truly knows who is ON TOP and I feel its ignorant and arrogant to admit to this. This is why I feel Wilcock nor Fulford has all the information as stated. This is also why I feel its so important to not rest our eggs in only one basket - our answers will be found scattered throughout the field, and its our job to number 1) remain open 2) never say something is BS, because we simply DO NOT KNOW yet so anything can be possible as ludicrous as it sounds 3) align to the outcome we wish to experience. Its time we start visualizing what we see fit for our Earth and collectively this will come to pass. Lets get our god-hats on already - I dont want to be called "little people" anymore ;)

The good news is, under all of the semantics, We - Fulford, Wilcock, Martinez and others are pretty much talking about the SAME THING. Strip away the details, and look at this like how we look in History - the same thing is called by many different names. Are we vast enough to See this, I believe so!

[mountain_jim]

I appreciate the latest contributions to this thread for some other POVs on this story.

[joedjemal]

Plant your tomatoes this month for fruit by june.

Before the frost? I don't have my greenhouse done yet dagnabit!



Indoors in a warm room on a window sill. I plant mine in my bender, they do fine.

Or you can build a hotbed with raw horse manure in the garden, I'll get mine going in a few weeks. I can germinate tropical plants in the snow in those.

[thewebkid]

The very idea that David Wilcock is like some secret secretary of state meeting with the heads of a 122 nation alliance .......whoooooo weeeeeeeeee..... omg.... stop stop ... can't stop laughing....

I can't wait to hear the next installment.... stay tuned folks cause surely this can't be guerrilla marketing for fan base, attention, power plays, or simple ego... on no, his message is too important. ROFPMP.... god I think I need to wear depends.

WoW, hold on a second. Why try to make so much fun of david wilcock? Are we beginning to lose our common decency and respect for fellow humans? At least we know about the law suit that has been filed, spoken of by David and Ben Fulford, that has been verified. This new Martinez fellow doesn't seem to have any evidence, factual evidence to follow up on which would support anything that he is saying... it seems like a bunch of hot air right now.

Trying to discredit someone by making fun of them is a long used tactic by those in positions of power, and bullies. Let's not turn this into an attack on a personal character, but instead let us observe the evidence closely and follow it as we go.
:nod:

Seriously, I agree. You guys are acting like a bunch of kids on the playground trying to make Wilcock into your emotional pinata. Let's get back to some behavioral intelligence. This kind of emotional bullying really pisses me off. This is very very surprising behavior from you guys. It's very primitive and not what I want to see in this forum at all. I am really embarrassed to be associated with this kind of crap.

Back to digging for facts and truth and kindness.

[CdnSirian]

-------

On record: this (below) is the only time I've spoken with James Martinez. It was of the most enjoyable and interesting interviews I've done, and I was left with a great deal of respect for him.

http://projectcamelot.org/mediafiles/audio/James_Martinez_Walter_Bowart_30_November_2009.mp3

****




• James Martinez (http://www.achieveradio.com/cash-flow) was a business colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Bowart) - the author of the groundbreaking, whistleblowing book Operation Mind Control (http://www.karlaturner.org/books/Operation_Mind_Control_-_Walter_Bowart.pdf) published back in 1978.

This is a fabulous audio interview which will be of enormous interest to all who (like myself) benefited greatly from Bowart's seminal work. We learned from James how Bowart, who died two years ago, in many ways 'regretted' having written the book - and how he had had profound ET contact: something never before revealed, and which he had been unwilling to talk about when he was alive. We learned of his philosophy, his hope for the human race, and his awareness of the importance of the expansion of consciousness. James summed it up by stating that for Walter, it was all about the liberation of the Human Spirit. Amen.

For the 8,000 word detailed synopsis of Walter Bowart's important unpublished work, THE INVISIBLE THIRD WORLD WAR, please click here (http://projectcamelot.org/The_Invisible_Third_World_War.pdf).

http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover_sm.jpg (http://projectcamelot.org/Operation_Mind_Control_cover.gif)

Eek. I need to read through this whole thread so far again. I have listened to the Martinez interview and will listen again...time is difficult right now.

I met Walter Bowart way back and had the opportunity to talk to him between radio interviews he was giving, on a tour. Many years later I was interested to see he was continuing to expose the underhanded stuff. I was sad to read about his death and hear Martinez talk about him. So I really don't remember a lot of the details he discussed.

Again, a volume of detail to review. Hanging in...

[CdnSirian]

Indeed I will have to come back to this later. Way too much.

[Mutchie]

Is it just me whos picking up this vibe that a lot of people seem to think David is a serial drama queen ??? i dont know the man personally so im not at liberty to express a serious viewpoint but from the posts i have been reading it seems that some think its all make believe and maybe thats due to his emotional episode because it seemed like a lot of folks were saying he shouldnt of been allowed on air in that obvious state its a hard one we are all different i suppose regardless i hope he is truly safe now !!!

[Sirius White]

None of these people can lead you out of any mess.

They are all being pulled as strings accordingly to a greater plan. Those who get lost in their ego and veracity to claim what is true and what is not will fall behind.

Indeed we must tread carefully, open minded with honed discernment. There is nothing that is "for certain" at this point. Just hang onto your bootstraps and set your intention on as much awakening as possible.

[gripreaper]

Now Fulford is calling the Conscious Media Network / Martinez announcement a psyop!

Hi Ben,
I was very surprised to see that you didn't mention the big announcement of the new financial system in your last newsletter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzB42QKtdE&feature=youtu.be
Would you be so kind as to let me know why you have chosen to not communicate this major news? It's very good news, I think, and it validates what you've been saying all this time. Please advise. Thanks Ben, and much love, respect, and appreciation to you for all you have done. Happy 2012!


Hello,

The Conscious Media Network announcement was a psy-ops put out by the old world order fascists. It is not real. That is why I did not mention it. The war over the future direction of our species and planet is unfortunately not yet over.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Let the games continue!

[Raven]

you could plant them in trays of little pots in your window inside house - that is what we do in west coast, Canada

[wolf_rt]

Really the key point with any of this is DON'T GIVE AWAY YOUR POWER.... then you wont get stung!

[Kristin]

All in all, I think that David is a good guy but he's not perfect. He's not in his comfort zone. Calling out JM is a strange reaction from him. This reaction is based on the opinion of the people he is representing right now. The question for me is not if I trust David Wilcock or Fulford, but if I trust the Dragon Family.

I think there are two factions here. Perhaps David is vocally (with Fulford) representing one and James is representing another. White hats / Black Hats? Could this be the very thing that Duncan was speaking of... that many from both sides are now on the same page? Calling one a "Hoax" does not help matters much. What is interesting over all is that things are moving and moving fast. There are many law suits out there about bonds these days, and that is understandable. I'm not at all surprised. These are the times we live in.

What I do find interesting is that JM has a certain amount of credibility. He's been working with people in this sector for many years and it makes sense to me that he would be representing them as a voice. Apparently they have a plan. One that makes me alert, itchy, and has my ears perked.

Now the itchy part is "One World Currency". Now I need to think about that. My issue is about who will control that currency. Will the power be given back to the PEOPLE? That is why we need to look at this issue clearly and without emotion when it is presented. It is such a trigger for all of us, including myself. I want to see very accurate documentation that is clearly spelled out and that can be used on an economical level to site projections. Anything less then that would be a disservice to humanity.

We are all afraid that our currency, no matter what the paper looks like, is in the hands of the international banking cartel. Well with good reason, it is. When the words, "One World Currency" are used it is easy to equate this term with "Slavery" as that is the norm for us right now. Turning the worlds monetary systems over would cause quite a stir, there would be negatives as well as positives. A positive might be that we could all have the freedom to think about employment anywhere on the globe without too much hassle, the negative on this is that there would be a mass movement of people on a planetary level coming and going looking for jobs everywhere, it would be chaos for a time. But would the playing field eventually be levelled out? This is just one example... there are too many. This is a complex issue. But we also need to look at the truth that something needs to be done and no matter what the medicine, uncomfortable times are ahead. I think we all know that and many of us have been preparing for it for a long time. I would suggest that you do so if you haven't yet.

In conclusion to this, I will be taking a look. A deep look. I want to see what it is that we are being presented with using open eyes. That is all. I must be willing to listen and trust myself that when I see foul I will cry foul. I do trust myself. I trust that I'm an intelligent enough person to figure this out. I trust that I will not toss something aside because it makes me afraid and uncomfortable. I need to calmly take a look at the facts presented. Right now there is nothing to go on. So I will wait. I am glad that some big ideas are being presented. This is a good thing. Whether or not they are the best ideas or realistic is yet to be seen.

From the Heart,
Wormhole

[onawah]

Who are the "little people"?
The 99%, which is a much more respectful term!
I like what Omnec Onec said, which is that we will have to create our own currencies and our own economies.
( see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37396-Omnec-Onec-One-Gorgeous-Venusian&p=394851#post394851 )
This is starting at the grass roots and is a lot of work, but I think it needs to be done to keep things honest and real.
The high stakes players are clever and have too many resources to play with, as well as lots of experience in how to make things go their way.
There is too little transparency when business is conducted on such a large scale by a few very powerful individuals and groups.
How can we know whether to trust them or not?
What we CAN trust is when we do it ourselves, and the kind of energy which that creates is contagious and synchronistic, and it propagates itself through the enthusiasm and good will of the people taking the power back into their own hands.
Perhaps it can't ALL be done that way, and doesn't need to, but it's a good way to start and to create a fresh, honest new energy and outlook that is strong enough to spread and revolutionize the whole system in time.
Time Banks and local currencies, non profits, credit unions, local farmer's markets and lots of other small groups that can work together cooperatively with the same goals are what we need more of.
There was a lot of momentum being built up in this direction earlier in 2011, and then it seemed to get a bit squashed, but it's time for a resurgence, IMHO.

See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38015-Kryon-The-Process-12-4-2011--updated-&p=395281#post395281
for a description of the kind of pure intent I am talking about.

[Kimberley]

*****************************

I am not sure everyone is understanding this information.... FYI Ben Fulford is in agreement with David Wilcok according to this message below from Ben on his blog page posted today.

Found here: http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/




Now Fulford is calling the Conscious Media Network / Martinez announcement a psyop!

Hi Ben,
I was very surprised to see that you didn't mention the big announcement of the new financial system in your last newsletter.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDzB42QKtdE&feature=youtu.be
Would you be so kind as to let me know why you have chosen to not communicate this major news? It's very good news, I think, and it validates what you've been saying all this time. Please advise. Thanks Ben, and much love, respect, and appreciation to you for all you have done. Happy 2012!


Hello,

The Conscious Media Network announcement was a psy-ops put out by the old world order fascists. It is not real. That is why I did not mention it. The war over the future direction of our species and planet is unfortunately not yet over.

http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/

Let the games continue!

[Kimberley]

************************


And for the record here is a correction from Ben
I apologize for calling Harry Elisabeth's son. He is the grand-son.


01/03/2012
Latest Update

Hi Ben, I trust this finds you well? I have a couple of points to make. Firstly with regards to Queen Elisabeth she has three sons, namely Charles, Andrew and Edward. Harry is Charles's son. The succession on the throne would be Charles then William (his son) and then Harry as things stand so it does not make sense what is being stated in your latest update. My second point is regarding demonstrations in the G5 nations, we have seen these happen already in the UK with regards to other issues such as the Iraq war and they have achieved nothing. I am not convinced they will do so in the future unless the masses have solid reasons and proof to do so and even then I have my doubts. Who is going to tell the masses the truth? Certainly not the media? Can you comment on my observations? All the best Paul.
Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device
__________________________________________________
First of all, I need to apologize for calling Harry Elisabeth's son. He is the grand-son. The reason they want Harry and not Charles or William is that Harry's father was a commoner, Diana's riding instructor. Furthermore, Diana is of the Spencer bloodline which is British and not German like the Battenbergs (who changed their name to Windsor). However, Diana also had Rothschild blood.
The demonstrations planned for next year will be more spectacular than what has been seen so far. The organizers are waiting for the warm weather and for the economic situation to get more critical. (from Ben)

Found here: http://benjaminfulford.typepad.com/benjaminfulford/2012/01/latest-update.html

[Kristin]

Who are the "little people"?
The 99%, which is a much more respectful term!
I like what Omnec Onec said, which is that we will have to create our own currencies and our own economies.
( see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37396-Omnec-Onec-One-Gorgeous-Venusian&p=394851#post394851 )
This is starting at the grass roots and is a lot of work, but I think it needs to be done to keep things honest and real.
The high stakes players are clever and have too many resources to play with, as well as lots of experience in how to make things go their way.
There is too little transparency when business is conducted on such a large scale by a few very powerful individuals and groups.
How can we know whether to trust them or not?
What we CAN trust is when we do it ourselves, and the kind of energy which that creates is contagious and synchronistic, and it propagates itself through the enthusiasm and good will of the people taking the power back into their own hands.
Perhaps it can't ALL be done that way, and doesn't need to, but it's a good way to start and to create a fresh, honest new energy and outlook that is strong enough to spread and revolutionize the whole system in time.
Time Banks and local currencies, non profits, credit unions, local farmer's markets and lots of other small groups that can work together cooperatively with the same goals are what we need more of.
There was a lot of momentum being built up in this direction earlier in 2011, and then it seemed to get a bit squashed, but it's time for a resurgence, IMHO.

See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38015-Kryon-The-Process-12-4-2011--updated-&p=395281#post395281
for a description of the kind of pure intent I am talking about.

I agree whole heartedly. Hard though for international commerce however. Though I would think that we really need to be locally producing what we need anyway. It comes down to: Should we create something that is inclusive of everyone on the planet, or deal with things on small local levels. How do we secure a basis for trade without a standard? Even between counties or states let alone internationally. It's an interesting question. I've participated in a local currency system before. It works great, and I mean GREAT but only if you live there. If you are visiting for example there is a lot of questioning... can this be done with the availability of a standard that everyone can tap into and what should that be?

Thanks for the thoughtful post, it's time we all started to have this conversation for real. WE CAN create our own banks, currency, and really anything we need without the interference of financial sharks. It is going to be interesting to see what the proposal will be on a global level.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[Ba-ba-Ra]

Lots to consider, but I encourage all not to take sides. I agree that this is not about trusting Ben, David or James, but rather the groups behind them. Clearly they each trust the Group they are in contact with, but any of them - or all of them for that matter could be being duped.

Best if we stay grounded, listen to everything being presented and defer from arguing among ourselves. Instead let's use our energy constructively and hold a vision for what could be possible, while we cautiously listen to everything that's being presented to us.

[Kimberley]

Lots to consider, but I encourage all not to take sides. I agree that this is not about trusting Ben, David or James, but rather the groups behind them. Clearly they each trust the Group they are in contact with, but any of them - or all of them for that matter could be being duped.

Best if we stay grounded, listen to everything being presented and defer from arguing among ourselves. Instead let's use our energy constructively and hold a vision for what could be possible, while we cautiously listen to everything that's being presented to us.


YES ! YES ! YES! YES! I am right there with you on this!!!
Much love :luv:

[Kristin]

lots to consider, but i encourage all not to take sides. I agree that this is not about trusting ben, david or james, but rather the groups behind them. Clearly they each trust the group they are in contact with, but any of them - or all of them for that matter could be being duped.

Best if we stay grounded, listen to everything being presented and defer from arguing among ourselves. Instead let's use our energy constructively and hold a vision for what could be possible, while we cautiously listen to everything that's being presented to us.

absolutely!!!

[onawah]

More about this at
wKhd614IqZo
which Eaglespirit posted on the Up at the Ranch thread:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?3596-Up-At-The-Ranch--James-Gilliland-and-Trout-Lake-&p=395383#post395383
but also applies to this discussion, and any discussion about marketing advanced technologies.



Who are the "little people"?
The 99%, which is a much more respectful term!
I like what Omnec Onec said, which is that we will have to create our own currencies and our own economies.
( see: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?37396-Omnec-Onec-One-Gorgeous-Venusian&p=394851#post394851 )
This is starting at the grass roots and is a lot of work, but I think it needs to be done to keep things honest and real.
The high stakes players are clever and have too many resources to play with, as well as lots of experience in how to make things go their way.
There is too little transparency when business is conducted on such a large scale by a few very powerful individuals and groups.
How can we know whether to trust them or not?
What we CAN trust is when we do it ourselves, and the kind of energy which that creates is contagious and synchronistic, and it propagates itself through the enthusiasm and good will of the people taking the power back into their own hands.
Perhaps it can't ALL be done that way, and doesn't need to, but it's a good way to start and to create a fresh, honest new energy and outlook that is strong enough to spread and revolutionize the whole system in time.
Time Banks and local currencies, non profits, credit unions, local farmer's markets and lots of other small groups that can work together cooperatively with the same goals are what we need more of.
There was a lot of momentum being built up in this direction earlier in 2011, and then it seemed to get a bit squashed, but it's time for a resurgence, IMHO.

See the thread at:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38015-Kryon-The-Process-12-4-2011--updated-&p=395281#post395281
for a description of the kind of pure intent I am talking about.

I agree whole heartedly. Hard though for international commerce however. Though I would think that we really need to be locally producing what we need anyway. It comes down to: Should we create something that is inclusive of everyone on the planet, or deal with things on small local levels. How do we secure a basis for trade without a standard? Even between counties or states let alone internationally. It's an interesting question. I've participated in a local currency system before. It works great, and I mean GREAT but only if you live there. If you are visiting for example there is a lot of questioning... can this be done with the availability of a standard that everyone can tap into and what should that be?

Thanks for the thoughtful post, it's time we all started to have this conversation for real. WE CAN create our own banks, currency, and really anything we need without the interference of financial sharks. It is going to be interesting to see what the proposal will be on a global level.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[etm567]

Just a quick thought regarding David Wilcock's position in all of this, his blatant finger pointing when he was just under horrible scrutiny for his "outcry" --

When Fulford, or Wilcock or whomever announces they are in contact with the elite, THE ELITE - the people on top of it all - it loses me right there and I'll tell you why...

If I was truly on top of this game, or had the ultimate say as a global or universal elitest/higher power/whatever - do you think for one moment I would reveal myself? Most certainly not to David Wilcock (and please I mean no offence).

Too much information too soon, in the wrong hands or in too many hands will kill any plan. This is why I believe this "annoucement" came so bare bones - do you think we're ready to know all just yet? Look at how we're handing ourselves so far - quarreling and in full fear that we might be dooped. Its why we're getting only pieces so far, humans like to pick at things to death before it can even manifest itself! :)



Excuse me, but -- and in many points I am in total agreement with you -- but David Wilcock does not say he is in touch with "elites." He says he is in touch with "insiders," and they may be just people who work in positions that put them inside that system. Many of them are scientists of various kinds. To be hired by the secret government one doesn't have to be a member of the elite, one just has to have some skill set and ability that they need and want.

But the fact that he is relying on insider information does not comfort me, either. They can be conduits for disinformation, or they themselves can be recipients of disinformation. There is just no way to know.

So I'm with Steve on this: The Monaco Accords people may not know about who talked to James Martinez, but that doesn't mean it is a hoax. Everybody doesn't necessarily know what everyone else is doing in this. Those on the strictly human side, which seems to me to be what those behind the Monaco Accords are, essentially, are not necessarily privy to what any extradimensional beings of any kind may be doing on our behalf.

So, I'm left with I'll just have to wait and see.

ETM

[aranuk]

The way I see it is thus: David Wilcock and Ben Fulford say they have been contacted by "Representatives" of 120 or so nations leaders who have told them certain things that they want to be made public. James Martinez says something similar that he has been told by "Representatives" of the leaders of 130 nations leaders that THEY want to be made public. The "representatives" seemed to choose three different public individuals who are alternative media spokesman to get their message accross to the alternative public i.e. You and Me. They maybe are all telling the truth as they were told it. It doesn't have to mean one group is right and the other is wrong does it? The thing that tickles my curiosity is that why is the alternative media and alternative public being informed about all this? Are we being chosen because we are the truth seekers and we should know first? If so why? Why not the mainstream Media. Is it because they would not report it? Maybe? Are we the only ones listening? I think we ARE.

Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

The thing with James Martinez as Ben pointed out on his blog this most recent one. The James Martinez information is disinformation and he is being manipulated by The Global Elite for their attempts to "soften the impact" of what is coming.

Also, the Alternative News media and it's followers are less prone to panic and "lemming" type behavior 'vs' those that follow MSM. So it makes absolute sense they would break it to the "yeah, okay, and then what?" crowds with it trickling over to the "OMG! I'M GONNA DYE THE WORLD'S GOING TO END" crowd.

[aranuk]

How can one tell which group has the dis-info? Just because Ben says so doesn't in my opinion mean that this is so.


Stan

[DreamsInDigital]

Kerry Cassidy and also Wilcock are saying the same thing. I would say despite Kerry's alliance with Wilcock, I would consider HER a independent in this situation. Ben, gave his information on it and that Martinez was being manipulated by the Cabal, in his update on his latest blog. There is a thread with the latest one...don't know why it got put in the conspiracy board but it's there. But, even I am going to say I'm with Ben, Kerry and David and others here and say that Martinez at least when it comes to this situation can not be trusted to be forwarding reliable information. And, really. Why wouldn't the Cabal use this kind of tactic? Martinez is supposed to be a trusted source for reliable information. So it stands to reason he would be one that they would manipulate and use to "throw people off". Kerry even says that in this situation, her sources and her all believe that Martinez is being manipulated / used. When the story is fully investigated through multiple sources it becomes very clear and obvious this is the case. That from Martinez is disinformation, he is being manipulated for personal gain by the Global Elite / Cabal in this situation and can not be trusted on this specific situation.

[mountain_jim]

It is neither clear nor obvious to me what is info or disinfo in this larger story. And I have been following Fulford, Wilcock, Chris Story, and White Hats reports of financial system corruption and from other multiple sources for years. Only the lawsuits filed are verifiable to me so far, all reports of nations agreeing to change financial systems still remain unproven based on what I have read, and many things Fulford has stated in past have not been proven either.

[Kristin]

It is neither clear nor obvious to me what is info or disinfo in this larger story. And I have been following Fulford, Wilcock, Chris Story, and White Hats reports of financial system corruption and from other multiple sources for years. Only the lawsuits filed are verifiable to me so far, all reports of nations agreeing to change financial systems still remain unproven based on what I have read, and many things Fulford has stated in past have not been proven either.

Agreed Jim, we need to wait this one out.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

I am also curious as to why the alternative media would be a place that these things would be plugged into... why?

[mountain_jim]

Well some things are evidence of financial changes going on - the news reports of china-japan not using dollars in their trade is one.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-12-29/china-japan-currency-deal-points-way-to-a-new-world-monetary-order-view.htm

l
China-Japan Currency Deal Points Way to New Monetary Order: View

By the Editors Dec 28, 2011 7:01 PM ET 6 Comments Q.

The agreement announced between China and Japan to strengthen financial ties and promote yuan-yen trade is a small, but notable, step toward a new global economy. Its immediate practical significance is limited, yet the deal signals that a deeper transformation is under way -- and one that the world should welcome.

The plan was a surprise: It marks a warming of relations that had been chilly of late. The accord still lacks a timetable for implementation, but once in force it will let Chinese and Japanese trading companies switch between yuan and yen without converting to dollars first. This will encourage commerce by reducing currency risk and trading costs.

The agreement will let a Japanese-backed institution sell yuan bonds in China, helping to open China’s capital market. In return, Japan will convert some of its foreign- exchange reserves into Chinese bonds. China has signed financial pacts with other nations, mainly in Asia, but the size of China-Japan trade -- $340 billion last year, and growing fast -- makes this deal the most important by far.

Warmer relations and short-term benefits for regional trade, though, are not the main reasons the agreement matters. China seeks a bigger role for its currency in global markets, and wants power in international forums that is commensurate with its economic might. The sooner its currency is fully convertible and its economy is open to global investment, the sooner this will happen.

[Jenci]

It is neither clear nor obvious to me what is info or disinfo in this larger story. And I have been following Fulford, Wilcock, Chris Story, and White Hats reports of financial system corruption and from other multiple sources for years. Only the lawsuits filed are verifiable to me so far, all reports of nations agreeing to change financial systems still remain unproven based on what I have read, and many things Fulford has stated in past have not been proven either.

Agreed Jim, we need to wait this one out.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

I am also curious as to why the alternative media would be a place that these things would be plugged into... why?

To keep us distracted and looking away from other things??

Jeanette

[DreamsInDigital]

I am also curious as to why the alternative media would be a place that these things would be plugged into... why?
Why wouldn't they? I think would be the more logical question. They haven't been much able to "get at us" so far, and the alternative thinkers are strong enough alone to overthrow them completely. SO why wouldn't they want to misdirect and take out as many as they could? Just the way the dark side operates.

[Kristin]

I was thinking along the same lines Dreams In Digital, We've got to be one hell of a litmus test for the PTB to test out reaction. We are intelligent and we are organizers. A lot of us are involved in Protests and our opinion matters... That being said, whatever the proposal is you can be rest assured that it will be combed out by us with fine teeth. I don't trust any of this, not one single bit. But I have an ear to hear and a heart to do what is right based on my own beliefs. We all do. It will be very interesting to see how this pans out.

Another thought, perhaps it's just by proxy that JS was asked to open up the lid a bit being he's connected in that way. Also, I do not think that it is strange at all that Kerry would say that her connections are crying Hoax and foul here... they are after all different people coming at this issue from differing perspectives. I would imagine that the lines are drawn and have been for some time with respect to this "idea" of "what" is to be done in the future. I'm concerned and paying attention.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[aranuk]

I am also curious as to why the alternative media would be a place that these things would be plugged into... why?
Why wouldn't they? I think would be the more logical question. They haven't been much able to "get at us" so far, and the alternative thinkers are strong enough alone to overthrow them completely. SO why wouldn't they want to misdirect and take out as many as they could? Just the way the dark side operates.

If we then start to debate who is telling the truth, are we not playing into their hands? Both stories are so similar, so why question them? Let us just see what will happen.

Stan

[Alie]

Who are the "little people"?
The 99%, which is a much more respectful term!

I really didn't take offense to the expression, "little people". Probably because it has been said "the meek should inherit the earth"... And from the perspective of space or beyond (and beyond) ... we are certainly little people. Also, don't we all agree with this crazy??? idea ... "what's up is down...what's down is up", etc. Those, who think they are great, are not.

[Bill Ryan]

From Ben Fulford, 9 January 2011:

The Feds have sued for peace and detailed settlement negotiations have begun

The 130-nation group that announced a new financial system through the Conscious Media Network on January 1st also contacted the White Dragon Society and said they will prove with action, and not words, that they represent extremely powerful interests. This writer initially, and apparently incorrectly, denounced the announcement as a psy-ops because this group was not identical to the 117 nation Monaco group previously reported about in this newsletter.

I wonder if David Wilcock, who wrote:


THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit -- and they told me this story is not true....will also post a retraction.

All I can say personally about the James Martinez statement is that (a) James is a good man, (b) he was not knowingly hoaxing anything, and (c) there was not enough information in his statement to make any early judgment about its authenticity.

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

More here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38306-Fulford-1-9-update-...&p=398706#post398706

[charlesfrith]

Hi Bill, I'm very grateful that you pointed me towards the Martinez interview. It's first class. Thank you.

[Cidersomerset]

Hi All I have just listened to James latest 5th jan show , remember his main job is a financial advisor the first half concerns this
so unless you want to hear that ,go to 30mins and listen to what he is talking about then, I think he's a genuine
good man and intelligent and expert in the fields of media and communication using todays tech.....
Its interresting stuff and he knows whats happening !!!
He plays a clip by CIA agent Robert Steel who he is going to have on as a guest on a upcoming show..Steve

http://www.achieveradio.com/archplayer.php?showname=Cash%20Flow%20with%20James%20Martinez&sn=66&ShowURL=http://audio.achieveradio.com/cash-flow/2012-01-05--1200---Cash_Flow.mp3

[sojorner]

:cool::cool:


I am also curious as to why the alternative media would be a place that these things would be plugged into... why?
Why wouldn't they? I think would be the more logical question. They haven't been much able to "get at us" so far, and the alternative thinkers are strong enough alone to overthrow them completely. SO why wouldn't they want to misdirect and take out as many as they could? Just the way the dark side operates.

If we then start to debate who is telling the truth, are we not playing into their hands? Both stories are so similar, so why question them? Let us just see what will happen.

Stan

I agree.. they are so similar, one could even say they validate each other.. So time will tell.....

Soj

[Unified Serenity]

From Ben Fulford, 9 January 2011:

The Feds have sued for peace and detailed settlement negotiations have begun

The 130-nation group that announced a new financial system through the Conscious Media Network on January 1st also contacted the White Dragon Society and said they will prove with action, and not words, that they represent extremely powerful interests. This writer initially, and apparently incorrectly, denounced the announcement as a psy-ops because this group was not identical to the 117 nation Monaco group previously reported about in this newsletter.

I wonder if David Wilcock, who wrote:


THIS IS A HOAX. I am now in direct contact with the top people organizing the 122-nation alliance we have been speaking of, as a consequence of getting deeply involved in investigating and writing about the lawsuit -- and they told me this story is not true....will also post a retraction.

All I can say personally about the James Martinez statement is that (a) James is a good man, (b) he was not knowingly hoaxing anything, and (c) there was not enough information in his statement to make any early judgment about its authenticity.

Just wanted to bump this thread cause I know so many are waiting on the next release of data cause DW is the go to guy apparently.

[Aryslan]

I see Mr. Ego is still at it. Davie really should stick to his love and light schtick, he's getting too big for his britches.