Patrick Geryl's claims of a global cataclysm in 2012

[BestLion]

Patrick Geryl-Was visited by Mr Ryan also, and talks of horrendous events soon to fall on mankind. Is he a chicken little? Or may he be on to something? He also seemed to put his money where his mouth is..quit his job , and has been saving up to prepare for the worse. he feels only a small few will survive.

Here is Project Camelots take on him>

http://projectcamelot.org/patrick_geryl.html

Two years ago, Patrick Geryl, then 51, quit his job as a laboratory worker for a French oil company. He'd saved up just enough money to last him until December 2012. After that, he thought, he wouldn't need it anyway.

Instead, Geryl, a soft-spoken man who had studied chemistry in his younger years, started preparing for the apocalypse. He founded a "survival group" for likeminded men and women, aimed at living through the catastrophe he knew was coming.

He started gathering materials necessary to survive — water purifiers, wheelbarrows (with spare tires), dust masks and vegetable seeds. His list of survival goods runs 11 pages long.

"You have to understand, there will be nothing, nothing left," Geryl told ABC News from his home in Antwerp, Belgium. "We will have to start an entire civilization from scratch."

That's because Geryl believes the world as we know it will end in 2012. He points to the ancient Maya cyclical calendars, the longest of which last renewed itself approximately 5,125 years ago and is set to end again, supposedly with catastrophic consequences, in 2012. He speaks of the ancient Egyptians, who, he claims, saw 2012 as a year of great change too. And he points to science: NASA predicts a sharp increase in the number of sunspots and sun flares for 2012, he said, sure to cause electrical failures and satellite disruptions.
apocalypse.

All this adds up, Geryl said, to unprecedented catastrophe. First, a polar reversal will cause the north to become the south and the sun to rise in the west. Shattering earthquakes, massive tidal waves and simultaneous volcanic eruptions will follow. Nuclear reactors will melt, buildings will crumble, and a cloud of volcanic dust will block out the sun for 40 years. Only the prepared will survive, Geryl said, and not even all of them.

These may sound like the ravings of a madman, or perhaps the head of a small apocalyptic sect. But Geryl is not the only one who believes in the apocalypse. Thousands of people worldwide seem to be preparing, in one way or another, for the end of days in 2012. Survival groups exist in Europe, Canada and the United States. A simple Google search for "2012" and "the end of the world" brings up nearly 300,000 hits. And the video-sharing Web site YouTube hosts more than 65,000 clips informing and warning viewers about their fate in 2012.
Video- Talks about how, and why the world will end ..you can see Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy
in the clip also.
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[ViralSpiral]

Oh dear, the DRAMA!!! http://emoticoner.com/files/emoticons/smileys/skriet-smiley.gif?1292867673


I prefer to see it as: the end of the world as we know it

[modwiz]

I just pooped my pants. :pound:
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[astrid]

let the count begin for the "world is ending 2012 threads"

Where is Harold when you need him, he would fit right in,
maybe we should ask him to join us??

http://www.cannygranny.org/wp-content/uploads/end-of-the-world.jpg

( just so you know.. that was a joke)

No offense, but I vote we ban threads with such titles..

That includes polls!!!

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Edit by Bill [with mod hat on]:

I changed the title to something rather more balanced, accurate., and appropriate. The previous thread title was "Patrick Geryl-World is finsihed this year! 2012!!" [sic]. I agree fully that this title was not helpful.

[BestLion]

No offense, but I vote we ban threads with such titles..
I thought it was interesting that Bill and Kerry interviewed the guy! Surely if they didnt think their was one once of truth in what he was saying I doubt they would have wasted time talking with him, and just wrote him off as a nutjob.
Will the world end in 2012? I don't know, but one thing is clear around the last time of the galactic alignment it seemed that destroyed Atlantis. And what is interesting is those of Atlantis thought they were immune like humans today. After that they went from high tech to stone age...
I for one do not buy into the theory human kind will reach a higher spiritual realm in 2012..Thats folly.and wishfully thinking.man is degenerating not becoming more spiritual.
If any event happens say 2012 or 2512 I feel it will be a new ice age..a pole shift , and near complete destruction of mankind.
Atlantis was partially destroyed after the cataclysm of 21 February 21,312 BC. The north was buried under the Northpole in existence at that time (the circle gives the polar region). The Earth's poleshift of 27 July 9792 BC buried Atlantis (after the changes of the poles) completely under the Southpole!

[Eric J (Viking)]

I just pooped my pants. :pound:
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Moddy ...Tut tut ....as long as you tidy up afterwards...

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viking

[ViralSpiral]

Not saying he is a nut-job. The clip was fear porn at its best. Probably directed by Roland Emmerich...


I will be exactly where I am supposed to be


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[Kristo]

I just pooped my pants. :pound:
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By the looks of the history of posts, me thinks someone is trying to stir the pot of which you speak, Modwiz.....

[modwiz]

let the count begin for the "world is ending 2012 threads"

Where is Harold when you need him, he would fit right in,
maybe we should ask him to join us??

http://www.cannygranny.org/wp-content/uploads/end-of-the-world.jpg

( just so you know.. that was a joke)

No offense, but I vote we ban threads with such titles..

That includes polls!!!

Hey, I thanked your post before you edited it and put in your ban remark. :tsk:

Polls are nice people. Leave them out of this.:becky:

[GK76]

This WILL happen, then that WILL happen.

This SHALL come to pass, which WILL in turn cause that to occur soon after.

And then <insert biblical name> came down and said "<insert meaningless drivel>", and the people did grin.

This stuff has its place in this community even if it is to point out the follies of predictions. I predict this thread to lose sight of the topic and wander aimlessly in a world of fear. :)

[araucaria]

After this interview, Bill and Kerry took the unprecedented step of immediately issuing a disclaimer, so in a sense they did 'waste their time talking to him'. It is a little disingenuous to suggest that they endorse this stuff.

[norman]

If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

[BestLion]

If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?
Depends when they were built..If built earlier then 9000 BC most feel down like Puma Punku..which was near indestructible, and many do claim it fell due to some catastrophe on earth. As for the Great Pyramids of Giza..some claim they were built around 10,500 BC some take the conventional method of around 2000 BC. Seems though the really old sites indeed faced some sort of catastrophic event..You can read Graham Hancock Fingerprints of the Gods about this.

After this interview, Bill and Kerry took the unprecedented step of immediately issuing a disclaimer, so in a sense they did 'waste their time talking to him'. It is a little disingenuous to suggest that they endorse this stuff.
Yeah, he sure does seem extreme. But I am sure Bill and Kasey are clever people, and knew just what to expect from him, he has written books, and had a web site long before the interview. So i am sure they knew what they were getting into..and yet interviewed him. I am of the opinion that Bill and Kasey do expect something in 2012..and I think they are hopping for something good, but on the same-line maybe they think something bad could happen also. They are like detectives just tring to put together the case, and thus hear all sides of the story.
and..Maybe Bill Ryan does agree with him, because Patricks MAIN argument for 'end of the world' is solar flares..here is a quote from Bill Ryan>


With regard to all I've gleaned from several interesting "chats" with several interest friends, 2012-2014 will likely bring about strong solar activity. Though it is quite impossible to estimate the intensity and duration of such activity, there does seem to be rational concern among those well-informed.

Sorry, folks, but I've heard not a word about an ET rapture, messianic intervention, volcanic doomsday, or angelic ascension type scenario.


Thanks, Dale: ditto that.

The solar activity problem might be the real one we'll be facing. Much of the rest is likely to be hype, paranoia, disinformation, or New Age belief.

It might be the real one we'll be facing because that's the one thing that we can't do anything about except take precautions and preventative measures.

Other events - at a geopolitical level - may be within our gift to influence and steer.

[ulli]

I just pooped my pants. :pound:
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Better here than at the Village. Hey, maybe we just found the place where to build our outhouse.

[Seikou-Kishi]

Yeah solar flares could be a problem, but only because they could hinder the technological infrastructure of the world. How people react to that is the main problem. If people react calmly, it won't be a problem, but if people react violently and 'reactionarily', then we will have a very hard time of it. Of course, such behaviour is a societal thing. We all need to be calm; one scared person can do the damage of a hundred people.

[araucaria]

To speculate that although Bill says one thing, he thinks the opposite and is hoping for something different again, is for me a new form of channelling - I am definitely not going there :)

The present solar cycle is in fact the most underwhelming since World War II, It was so sluggish getting started that there was talk of a new Maunder minimum, and the last time I checked it was expected to peak next year instead of this. There could of course be a big solar flare, but that strikes me as highly unpredictable given such a low-intensity background.

[BestLion]

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You can listen the interview with Bill and Kasey here.Geryl theorised that the expanding universe was "accelerating" in the face of the orthodox scientific view of one which is slowing down.
In 1998 he was proved correct.
And in 2008 his theory that that there were galaxies in our universe that move at the speed of light was also proven right.

[blufire]

Norman I used to wonder about this too . . . . still do

But I had an epiphany one night 3:00 in the morning . . . . in my own twisted little mind. . . . .what if the continents are shifting on the surface of the earth to keep aligned with the “north” of our solar system?

In the ancient stories and archeology the “dark rift” in the solar system is brought up over and over. . . . . what if as our orbit changes and rises above and below the galactic center and plane it causes our continents to shift and realign. Kind of like the needle in a compass. So therefore the ancient sites would still be aligned with the “true north” of the stars. . . . . . . Not only would this be happening on our planet but with all the planets and celestial bodies within our solar system.

Yes . . . yes . . I am aware this is a highly simplistic suggestion or thought . . . but sometimes the simplest answer is the most plausible.






If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

[RMorgan]

Hey guys and gals,

Well, it´s just the beginning of the year and we already have a few posts like this here.

I guess things will get crazy while we approach December. This forum will get crazy (this is a prophecy) ! :)

My advice here is to use discernment. There´s not a single factual evidence to back up such things.

For now, all these 2012 are 100% pure speculation.

End of the world prophecies have been around since the beginnings and it´s all the same thing...Doom, gloom...Nothing happens.

Personally, I don´t fall for it for a second.

Cheers,

Raf.

[BestLion]

End of the world prophecies have been around since the beginnings and it´s all the same thing...Doom, gloom...Nothing happens.
I did a google search now many Christians are using the Mayans as a guide to the Rapture theory..odd they would be using Kukulakhan "who was the Mayans god...to support their own god Jehovah....So more less they are saying Dec 21st jesus will come back and take all his sheep to heaven..while the rest of humanity suffers on earth from fire 'volcano's', water 'floods' and Ice..then whats left of humanity will be seeking a savior and then the antichrist will come and be that.
Anyway Patrick says 80% sure that the world will have an 'event on Dec 21st 2012.' you find that snippet in the video I posted in the last post here on part 2.

[RMorgan]

End of the world prophecies have been around since the beginnings and it´s all the same thing...Doom, gloom...Nothing happens.
I did a google search now many Christians are using the Mayans as a guide to the Rapture theory..odd they would be using Kukulakhan "who was the Mayans god...to support their own god Jehovah....So more less they are saying Dec 21st jesus will come back and take all his sheep to heaven..while the rest of humanity suffers on earth from fire 'volcano's', water 'floods' and Ice..then whats left of humanity will be seeking a savior and then the antichrist will come and be that.
Anyway Patrick says 80% sure that the world will have an 'event on Dec 21st 2012.' you find that snippet in the video I posted in the last post here on part 2.

Hey sister,

Well, the only event I´m 80% sure will happen on that date will be a party I´ll give in my house for my friends! :)

Cheers,

Raf.

[BestLion]

Well, the only event I´m 80% sure will happen on that date will be a party I´ll give in my house for my friends!
Haaaa. i will probably have a beer myself on that day. And if something does happen I'll at least go out of this world with a smile. I tend to agree with the Vikings of old, that when a man is old he would wonder off into the woods alone of a cold night..drink to the plastered mark..pass out..and be frozen in the morning.
I aint saying 2012 Dec 21 will be a none event.. Id say 5% maybe something could happen..but odds are probably will be nothing.

[childs hood end]

What a way to go...... beats a heart attack or bin run over.

Is Ascension simply death....

Are we the Dinosaurs...

Peace.

[RMorgan]

Well, the only event I´m 80% sure will happen on that date will be a party I´ll give in my house for my friends!
Haaaa. i will probably have a beer myself on that day. And if something does happen I'll at least go out of this world with a smile. I tend to agree with the Vikings of old, that when a man is old he would wonder off into the woods alone of a cold night..drink to the plastered mark..pass out..and be frozen in the morning.
I aint saying 2012 Dec 21 will be a none event.. Id say 5% maybe something could happen..but odds are probably will be nothing.

Yeah. I can´t say nothing will happen either. Every extra day we live here is a bonus. The human civilization could end tomorrow, could end next second, or it could last for the 10000 years.

The fact is, that we must live with the fact that we can´t predict the future. It´s too complex for our limited brains. We´re simply not there yet.

In my opinion, these doom predictions are very enigmatic. Is there a purpose hidden behind them? It is possible.

Such predictions create spiritual chaos, and there are certain entities that feed on such confused feelings. They also may serve as a distraction for something bigger, the old illusionist trick.

This predictions also generate money, a lot of money. Lots of people sell book, dvds, lectures and this kind of stuff.

Cheers,

Raf.

[Bill Ryan]

I thought it was interesting that Bill and Kerry interviewed the guy! Surely if they didnt think their was one once of truth in what he was saying I doubt they would have wasted time talking with him, and just wrote him off as a nutjob.

This was the only Camelot interview we ever did where we stated a disclaimer in the opening credits.

This says:





Please Note:

The conclusions presented by
researcher Patrick Geryl
in this interview wil be found by
many to be shocking and
unacceptable.

We at Project Camelot do not
agree with his final conclusions.

After some discussion, we have
decided to publish the interview
for two reasons: there are issues
brought up which merit discussion,
and a recent discovery in Egypt
(the Labyrinth at Harawa), which
was extensively referenced by
Geryl, is evidently real and of major
archaeological significance.

Enjoy the interview - and recognize
that Geryl is probably talking about
the T2 catastrophe (see the Dan
Burisch material) which we are very
confident has been averted.

See our major article:
2009: A Tale of Two Timelines
www.projectcamelot.org/2009.html (http://www.projectcamelot.org/2009.html)
... for more information and references.

Bill Ryan
Kerry Cassidy
Project Camelot
August 2009

[darren]

Surely if he was correct in his assumptions,then out of 7 billion people,you'd have thought quite alot would have 'picked up' this info,considering how utterly important it would be?

I find it highly dubious myself.

[BestLion]

Appearing in the middle two hours, independent researcher John Major Jenkins discussed what he sees happening in exactly two years based on the Mayan calendar, how that calendar was rediscovered and the various ways the 2012 idea has been interpreted. The Mayan Long Count calendar was developed around 2,100 years ago in Izapa, Mexico, using data calculated over hundreds of years, he detailed. The reason why they chose the end date in 2012 was to "target the rare alignment with the solstice sun with the Milky Way galaxy," though it is a misnomer to think of this as the end of their calendar, he said.
The other big misconception is the 'doomsday' interpretation, first expressed in a book by Michael Coe in the 1960s, and more recently picked up by the media, and in movies like Roland Emmerich's 2012, Jenkins continued. We in the West tend to associate endings with Armageddon, but that is not the mindset of the Maya who thought in terms of cycles, he explained.

Jenkins also talked about his research at Tortuguero, where ancient inscriptions referenced the 2012 date, as well as some of the historiography associated with the Maya & 2012, including the Harmonic Convergence, and the works of Jose Arguelles, and Carl Calleman.
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[Earth Angel]

Well, the only event I´m 80% sure will happen on that date will be a party I´ll give in my house for my friends!
Haaaa. i will probably have a beer myself on that day. And if something does happen I'll at least go out of this world with a smile. I tend to agree with the Vikings of old, that when a man is old he would wonder off into the woods alone of a cold night..drink to the plastered mark..pass out..and be frozen in the morning.
I aint saying 2012 Dec 21 will be a none event.. Id say 5% maybe something could happen..but odds are probably will be nothing.

if thats what you think why would you even post this in the first place and especially with your original title of the thread??
are you not the same person who complained they didn't have time yesterday to watch the video someone else posted without them providing more info?? perhaps your time would have been most well spent just watching that video.

IF this man was right, personally I would quit my job and live my life to the fullest, not spend it organizing survival meetings, wheel barrows and seeds......who the hell would want to survive for 40 years of no sun in a nuclear waste land?

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ditto.......



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[BestLion]

IF this man was right, personally I would quit my job and live my life to the fullest, not spend it organizing survival meetings, wheel barrows and seeds......who the hell would want to survive for 40 years of no sun in a nuclear waste land?

Agree, and those who survived would have radiation poison, couldn't grow food, couldn't even be hunters and gathers since most animals would be dead. He did mention in the interview that if people did know this info they all would quit their jobs and live it up.
Seems to me the only astronomical things of 2012 is the alignment.
A new Ice Age?? Sure that will come someday..2012? could..3012..Could? As I said i think 5% chance something may happen due to the galactic alignment.

[Tarka the Duck]

This is what the (IMO excellent) 2012hoax site says about his work:



Problems with Geryl's ideas

To people trained in astronomy, Patrick Geryl's idea is laughable. Geryl never seems to explain how he is able to predict this "solar flare"7 years ahead of time when astrophysicists are not able to do so, or how he knows that the magnetic field of his imaginary plasma cloud is going to be opposite that of the Earth. When questioned on these topics, he refers people to his books.

Not massive enough
In order to exert a force on the earth that would cause part of the earth to flip over, you would have to exert as much energy as it would take to stop it, and start it spinning again in the opposite direction. When we are talking about the core earth we are talking about a huge spinning mass. The core of the earth is divided into two parts, the solid iron core which is about the size of the moon, and the liquid outer core which is the size of mars. The inner core rotates with the earth, only slightly out of sync with the rest of the planet8.

Geryl claims that a massive CME is going to flip the core over, physically. Let us assume that he means the solid inner core, which is the size of the moon[7]. In order to turn the core as Geryl claims, the CME would have to be more massive than the core.

This is true for the same reasons that astronauts working on the Hubble had to have their feet bolted to the mechanical arm of the space shuttle. Because if you try to turn a screw in space, you wind up with your body rotating around the screw instead of the screw turning out of the socket. On earth or inside the shuttle you are braced against something. Out in space with nothing to brace against and no gravity to hold you to the ground, you just spin. The CME that Geryl has flipping the core is in the same situation. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Assuming there was no spin at all on the core, and assuming there was a realistic way to couple the two masses, in order to turn the core 180 degrees, the mass of the CME would have to be equal to that of the core, and turn 180 degrees in the opposite direction.

If the CME were less massive than the core, it would have to complete a turn of more than 180 degrees. Something with 1/2 the mass of the core would have to complete a full rotation, etc.

So, how much mass are we talking about?

The volume of the moon is 21.9 billion cubic kilometers. That is 21,900,000,000 km3 or 2.19×1010km3. There are 1015 cubic centimeters in 1 cubic kilometer, or 2.19×1025cm3 in the solid inner core. Iron has a density of 7.874 g/cc, so the mass of the core is 2.19×1025×7.874 or 1.724×1026 grams. In contrast, the average mass of a CME is 1.6×1015 grams, or about 1011 ( That is 100,000,000,000 ) times smaller.

There is no way a CME could be massive enough to turn the core.

Not magnetic enough
In addition to the problem with the mass, there is a problem with coupling the two masses together. Geryl claims that the magnetic field of the CME will push the core over by acting on the magnetic field of the core. This claim also fails.

Let us assume that the solid core is magnetized (it is not, but we'll leave that aside for the moment). Geryl's claim requires a magnetic field strong enough to grab that spinning mass and flip it over. In order to do that the magnetic field strength would have to be much more intense than the magnetic field of the earth.

The strength of a magnetic field obeys the inverse square law. If you double the distance, the field strength falls to one quarter. In order to overwhelm the magnetic field of the earth, the field generated by the CME would have to be stronger than that of the earth. That is actually not that hard to do on a very localized basis. The strength of the field at the Earth's surface ranges from less than 30 microTeslas (0.3 Gauss) in an area including most of South America and South Africa to over 60 microTeslas (0.6 Gauss) around the magnetic poles in northern Canada and south of Australia, and in part of Siberia. Any bar magnet will seize a compass needle, overwhelming the magnetic field of the earth within several inches of the magnet. However, a CME is a large, diffuse object, and its magnetic field would have to be much larger than that of the earth in order to affect the core.

Even if you took a second earth and (ignoring gravity) brought it next to our earth and tried to flip it magnetically, you wouldn't be able to do it. If you took a second earth with a magnetic field hundreds of times stronger than ours, you still wouldn't be able to do it. You would need a much more massive object with a much stronger magnetic field to overcome the weakness of the magnetic interaction, and the stability of the earth given to it by its spin.

So in order to flip the core, the CME would have to be intensely magnetic and many times more massive than the earth, let alone the earth's core. A CME does not come anywhere near being massive enough or magnetic enough to cause this effect.

Nowhere to hide
Let us assume that we are wrong in our analysis above. Geryl is proposing that his group be given 1 billion US$ in order to build a survival center in the Sierra Nevada mountains of Spain. The problem is, if he were right, there would be nowhere to hide.

Warning: MATH!
The amount of energy expended to flip the core over is immense. The rotational kinetic energy is given by the equation[12]:

(1)
Krotation=12Iw2
where I is the Moment of Inertia and w is the angular velocity. The Moment of Inertia of a solid spinning sphere is approximated by the equation[11][10]

(2)
I=2mr25
where m is the mass, and r is the radius of the sphere. We will take the radius of the core to be that of the moon, or about 1,737 km ( 1.737×106meters ). Substituting these into the Moment of Inertia calculation 2, the calculation of I becomes:

(3)
I=2(1.724×1023)(1.737×106)25
(4)
I=2(1.724×1023)(3.01717×1012)5
(5)
I=2(5.2016×1035)5
(6)
I=1.04032×10365
(7)
I=2.08064×1035
Substituting this into the Kinetic energy calculation 1, we get

(8)
K=12(2.08604×1035)w2
The Angular velocity is measured in radians per second[9]. The earth revolves once per day. That happens to be 0.000072722052166 radians/second or 7.27×10−5 radians per second. Which gives us:

(9)
K=12(2.081×1035)(7.27×10−5)2
(10)
K=12(2.081×1035)(5.28529×10−9)
(11)
K=12(1.09968×1027)
(12)
K=5.49839×1026joules
End of the math
Now, that's a pretty big number. Let's write it out: 54,983,900,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules. In comparison, a 1 Megaton bomb has the defined energy of 4.18×1015 joules. The amount of kinetic energy stored in the rotating core is about 1.316×1011 or 13,160,000,000 megatons. Remember, this number is 1/2 the energy requirement to flip the core over into another orientation. This amount of energy is not going to create earthquakes and tidal waves, it would melt the entire planet.

Thank goodness Geryl is wrong.

Another reason it can't happen
Geryl's idea appears to hinge on the common misconception that the earth's magnetic field is generated in the solid core. It is not, because the solid iron core is too hot to form a magnetic field. The magnetic field it is actually generated in the outer liquid core by the flow of currents of liquid metal. The exact mechanism of these currents is not resolved, and there are various theories as to how the currents that power the magnetic field are generated.

So, even if all of the above objections were overcome, there is no magnetic field in the solid core for the "Gigantic solar flare" to grab onto.

Conclusion

Patrick Geryl's ideas are not scientific theories. He indulges in pseudo-science (specifically pseudo-astronomy and pseudo-archeology) and his conclusions are incorrect. We show that his claimed mechanism for physically flipping the earth's core is impossible, and that his claimed results (earthquakes, tsunamis, etc) are incorrect.

[araucaria]

Thank you Tarka.

@BestLion: who is this 'Kasey' character you keep referring to? Kerry with a generous dose of Edgar Cayce, I fancy ;)

[BestLion]

He mentions in the interview he has sold like 80,000 books..so to him this is his business. I think he will sell lots of books this year, but come 2013 he probally wont be able to sell one book, even his used books on Amazon will sell for 1c.
Kasey is on project Camelot..i think her name is Kasey Cassidy. She is often with Bill Ryan on the interviews.
A Little Background On Patrick Geryl

Here is a little background on Patrick Geyrl, taken from his own website.
Patrick was on a diet of fruit and vegetables, believing this would make him live long, very long. Ironically enough, his own discoveries about the “End of Times in 2012″ shocked him so deeply that it put him on a worldwide quest.

Patrick Geryl is the author of 9 books, written in Dutch of which one was published in Germany, called “Topfit mit Sonnenkost”. All of them became bestsellers. Since his childhood Patrick was also very interested in astronomy and up to now he studied hundreds of publications and books on this subject. In his first published book on astronomy (“A new Space-Time Dimension”, 1979), he launched an attack on the world famous relativity theory: he predicted several spectacular things that were connected to the universe. His predictions were confirmed in the last ten years, getting a lot of publicity in the Belgium press and television.
Through his astronomical knowledge, he discovered a trace leading to a high-developed civilization that was destroyed by a polar reversal. The descendants of this civilization, the Maya and Old Egyptians, predict a similar disaster for the year 2012. Noticing the urgency of this warning, Patrick started an intensive research and wrote three books on this subject.

The first book, “The Orion Prophecy”, was published in 1998 in Belgium and Holland. It was translated and published at the end of 2001 in the USA. After this, translations followed in Polish (Edit. Amber), Spanish (Kier), Bulgarian and Portugese (Pensamento). In the meantime the book became a bestseller in Poland.

“The World Cataclysm in 2012” was published in 2005 in the USA. It also became a bestseller in Poland.

“How to survive 2012” was published at the end of 2006. After these publications, Patrick will mainly spend his time on forming a survival group.

Pole Shift in 2012

In Patrick Geryl’s book “The Orion Prophecy”, he came to the staggering conclusion that in 2012 AD, the earth will be subjected to a huge disaster. The cause: the magnetic field of the earth will reverse in one go, resulting in an enormous shift of the earth’s crust. Virtually nobody will survive this, while at the same time all our acquired knowledge will disappear.

These scientific predictions originate from the Maya and the ancient Egyptians. Both civilizations are descendants of the legendary Atlanteans, and they had an very high-evolved astronomical knowledge. At the time, they were able to accurately predict the tidal wave that would herald the end of their civilization.

This put Patrick to his quest for the background of their calculations. After years of intensive research, he finally succeeded in cracking the millennia-old codes of the Maya and ancient Egyptians. All his findings make up an amazing exploratory expedition into the secrets of a very distant past. What Patrick Geryl discovered is astonishing and concerns everybody. At the same time this discovery explains why the Egyptians built the pyramids of Gizeh according to the star system of Orion.

In 2012 AD, just like it happened in 9792 BC, the year of the last polar reversal, Venus will make a planetary loop above the star system of Orion. In the Egyptian Book of the Dead this is described as the crucial code for the reversing of the poles, because after this, the earth will start turning in the opposite way.



Venus has nothing to do with the change of the magnetic field of the sun. The loop from Venus is only a marker for the year it will happen!

The astronomical description of this phenomenon left by the Egyptians is amazingly clever and beyond any scientific knowledge. Also Patrick discovered that the Dresden Codex of the Maya talks about the sunspot cycle, (about which our modern astronomers know nothing yet!).

At a certain moment, when the sun’s magnetism reaches a crucial point, a colossal catastrophe will destroy the earth. The Egyptian astronomical Zodiac describes the eras in which previous catastrophes occurred and also contains the codes of the sunspot cycle and the movement of Orion: the next disaster will take place when Venus makes a reverse movement above this constellation.

Furthermore, both cultures had incredibly precise calculations for the orbit of the earth around the sun. They are so accurate, that they exceed our present values. Completely astonished by my discoveries, Patrick could do nothing else but consider these ancient particulars as being exact.

And that leads us to the crucial question: should Patrick’s discoveries to be taken seriously or not? Is his case scientifically strong enough? Does Patrick have evidence to back it up? Does Patrick Geryl have enough knowledge of astronomy? Because the calculations of the Maya and Old Egyptians are totally based on this science.

I believe that Patrick does. His previous astronomical predictions have become reality, exactly as he announced them. That is why my discoveries about the Maya and ancient Egyptians should be taken more than seriously.
http://costadelsol.mylocalgazette.com/blog/859/2012-patrick-geryl-predictions/

[chancy]

Hello Everyone:
Patrick Geryl's claims of a global cataclysm in 2012 seems to be off track. I just watched Doc Zone last night with Geryl on with a partner collecting money like there really is no tomorrow. Seems to me he forgot that he won't need any money after Dec 21, 2012.
In fact he is telling everyone that it's going to happen sooner. (Makes the money come in faster and faster.) I guess he wants to have a great time at everyones expense travelling around the world before the big day.
Seems to me like another false prophet.
chancy

[BestLion]

NASA Confirms What Geryl Predicted Last Year
In August of 2010, Patrick Geryl predicted the current solar cycle to be the lowest measured in recent history, and that it will remain that low until end of 2012. NASA states now ”With more than 13 years of sunspot data collected at the McMath-Pierce Telescope at Kitt Peak in Arizona, Matt Penn and William Livingston observed that the average magnetic field strength declined significantly during Cycle 23 and now into Cycle 24. Consequently, sunspot temperatures have risen, they observed.If the trend continues, the sun’s magnetic field strength will drop below a certain threshold and sunspots will largely disappear; the field no longer will be strong enough to overcome such convective forces on the solar surface.” (see here)

“The results of three separate studies seem to show that even as the current sunspot cycle swells toward the solar maximum, the sun could be heading into a more-dormant period, with activity during the next 11-year sunspot cycle greatly reduced or even eliminated.”

The end of a solar cycle goes hand in hand with the reversal of north and south poles of the Sun, and happens on average every 11 years. The following graph, courtesy of solen.info, a reliable source in matters of the sun, shows that the south pole needs to approach the switch and this seems to be at the end of 2012 indeed:
At the end of the solar cycle, which according to the below graph (and according to Geryl as well as to the calculation of the Maya) would be towards the end of 2012, Geryl (confirmed by the scriptures of the Maya) expects a major solar flare which he refers to as the Killer Flare (see here). NASA until today however calculates this to be early 2013 with a probable Carrington Effect (like in 1859 wiping out all electricity grids). Either way, we’ll soon find out. At this moment science, researchers and ancient knowledge are in agreement about the solar cycles, followed by a super flare potentially impacting life on earth in a drastic and dramatic manner.
More at site>
http://blog.2012pro.com/2012/nasa-confirms-what-geryl-predicted-last-year

[Bill Ryan]

Kasey is on project Camelot..i think her name is Kasey Cassidy. She is often with Bill Ryan on the interviews.


Thanks for letting us know that. :)

(Her name is Kerry, by the way. It would have taken you just literally a few seconds to check.)

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Camelot_1.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Camelot_2.jpg

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Camelot_50_years.jpg

[BestLion]

Patrick Geryl gave up his job more than two years ago. He has saved sufficient money to pull on till 2012. It hardly matters if no money is left after that because according to firm belief of Geryl (and of many other people like him) humankind will have ceased to exist then, or nearly so. December 21, 2012 is the last date. Only those few that have made full preparations beforehand alone would survive the world devastating cataclysm. Billions of other human beings on the Earth would perish.
According to Long Count dates up to 13.0.0.0.0. only can be recorded. This period of 13 baktun is equal to 18,72,000 days. Dividing this number by 365.2420 days of the solar year, one gets 5,125.36 years. Hence, the period of 5,125.36 years that started in the year 3114 BC must come to an end in the year 2012. December 21, 2012 is the exact date calculated by the scholars. Maya calendar does not provide for any time after this date. According to the ancient Maya civilization a terrible cataclysm takes place after every 18,72,000 days and wipes out most of the living beings on the Earth. Thereafter, gradually, living beings start thriving again. The prevalent belief firmly attributes that ancient Maya scholars had purposefully stopped the calendar at 18,72,000 days because the cataclysm unfailingly devastates the Earth at the end of this period. Many people are convinced that the cataclysm will take place on December 21, 2012 and some best-selling books are strengthening their belief.

It will not be proper to end the discussion abruptly after meticulously describing the sinister forecast up to the expected date of its occurrence. The question crying for an answer is:


Which kind of event or happening will cause devastating cataclysm?

The ancient Maya scholars did not elaborate the event or events that will cause unparalleled damage. They simply stopped mapping the time after Long Count. This ultimately made many people believe that end of Long Count tantamount to cataclysm. They associated some catastrophic events threatening the existence of the living beings with the ancient Maya calendar. Each of these threats has always been likely—and very much so today. Here are some examples.

» The solar system is situated near the edge of one of the spiral arms of our Galaxy, the Milky Way. Like other spiral galaxies, Milky Way is flattened and disc-shaped with a bulge in the center where the maximum number of stars is concentrated. Solar system is orbiting the center or the nucleus of 1,00,000 light years expanse of the Milky Way at a distance of about 30,000 light years from the nucleus but its orbital course is not on a plane level. It is an undulating course like a roller-coaster. The present stage of solar system’s course is a descending one. Here, the space is filled with hydrogen gas clouds and dust. This is potentially dangerous situation.

If huge clouds of gas and dust invade the Earth’s atmosphere as it hurtles through the space at the velocity of hundreds of kilometers per second, resultant obstruction to the sunrays will go on increasing and decreasing temperature can cause ice age on the Earth. Major ice ages come once in every 25,625 years, this period is equal to five long counts (5,125 X 5). Incidentally, according to ancient Maya scholars, four cycles of Long Count are over and the fifth cycle is nearing its end on December 21, 2012 which is also the portentous 25,625th year.

» Here is another ominous prophecy for the believers of apocalypse. Eruption of the word’s most potent volcano is long overdue. It can take place any time. This volcano situated in the USA’s Yellowstone National Park is not a mountain like other volcanoes because its gargantuan magma chamber or the lava reservoir is trapped in a geological fault 30 kilometers beneath the surface. Underground water above the magma chamber is transforming into steam and then condensing into water it is spewed as 55 meters high geyser at hourly intervals. This geyser scrupulously maintains its hourly timetable and therefore, the Americans have named it ‘0ld faithful’.

As far as the probability of cataclysm is concerned, geyser is not important but the huge lava reservoir beneath it. No other volcano on the Earth has such as a vast reservoir of lava. Geological studies have confirmed that this volcano at Yellowstone has been erupting every 6,50,000 years and wrecking havoc on the living creatures by throwing giant clouds of millions of tons of dust and ash in the sky. Eventually blocking the sunrays for months together. More than 6,50,000 years have elapsed since its last eruption. The believers of cataclysm are treating the year 2012 as yet another year of Yellowstone’s deadly eruption.

» The time is also ripe for the reversal of the Earth’s magnetic poles. Studies of magnetic specs embedded in subterranean rocks have revealed that magnetic North and South Poles have interchanged their position about 400 times in the past 170 million years. Each time the Earth’s magnetic field had nearly vanished for about 100 years before becoming normal again. During the period of absence of the magnetic field the Earth received tremendous amounts of radiation from the outer space. Deprived of the magnetic shield the living creatures fell prey to the effects of radiation. Hundreds of thousand years have passed since the last reversal of magnetic poles and this event with its calamitous effects is also due any time. End of the world lobby has not failed to connect this phenomenon with 2012.

» Astronomers have forecast 2012 as the year of the most intense solar activity. Huge solar flares and ejection of vast quantities of charged particles of energy (protons and electrons) known as solar wind is expected in this year. It was estimated that the number of sunspots might exceed 140 by the August of this year and might reach 155 by the year end in December. Solar flares known as coronal mass ejections/CME may nearly burn the living creatures on the Earth. Average solar flare has temperature of 1,00,000⁰ Celsius and mass of one billion tons. A large number of people believe that Sun’s wrath will be unbearable this year.

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Thanks for letting us know that.

(Her name is Kerry, by the way. It would have taken you just literally a few seconds to check.)
:o I dont know why I confuse her name..Yeah kerry..Dont know why I wrote Kasey...maybe cause today i was reading some of Edgar Cayce's stuff..Sorry about that

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello BestLion

I'm curious...what is your opinion of Geryl's work?

Kathie

[Seikou-Kishi]

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Camelot_50_years.jpg

Oh this is a gem :D

Twinni grins devilishly

[BestLion]

Hello BestLion

I'm curious...what is your opinion of Geryl's work?

Kathie
Mixed to be honest. I am very interested in what he has found in Egypt esp the labyrinth-hall of records.. Seems they found it but Hawass wont let em do anything.
On his 2012 stuff..He makes some good points about galactic alignment, and solar flares that should not be dismissed, and also about the past ice ages..that do happen every 25,000 or so years.
Many people who write dont do anything that they preach..like those who write about peak oil, yet drive cars, fly airplanes etc.. He does at least seem to be taking this serious and is preparing the best he can. So I will give him kudos for that.
He also seemed to have studied quit alot privately about the Mayans and Ancient Egyptians. Yeah he doesn't have a degree nor did Einstein or people like John Anthony West. And yet they both are and were quit knowledgeable on the subjects they wrote about.
I do think he is a bit radical, and his dating may be off..but what he writes about..like solar flares, earth displacement, pole shifts etc will at one time happen..if not Dec 21st maybe 3023 year..and likely happen just as he describes.

[Bollinger]

The formula is very old and established and does actually manage to bring the money in. What is this formula?

First you find a niche. In this case it is a new and unique way of ending the world or predicting some catastrophe that would affect thousands or millions.

Second, ensure that the niche you pick has enough human interest to draw sufficient attention (something like the end of the world should do it). In other words, you must find a way to somehow scream a little bit louder than your competitor scammers. That’s your marketing strategy.

Third, you have to be a very good actor; e.g. able to lie without batting an eye lid and losing composure.

Fourth, you must find the proper medium through which to spread your “prediction” and it must appear to have some token legitimacy on which people can focus and rationalise. For example, appearing on TV should do it. Even if you get torn apart, it doesn’t matter. The very fact that you appeared is often enough. Failing that, write a book and ensure the targeted audience reads it and if you can get it endorsed (seemingly or otherwise) by a well-known figure, all the better.

Fifth, continue to promote your material through whatever means possible and where appropriate, get others also to talk about it. Why not make a YouTube video and even if the comments are unkind, sufficient number of people might see it and even if 1 per mille who come into contact with your material actually part with money that ends up in your pocked, job’s done.

The five steps to easy income. Just sit back and let the money roll in; never mind that you have scared the living daylights out of people. The goal is money. When the date comes and goes and nothing happens, there will be no refunds.

The most convincing of the false prophets out there are those who are so infatuated with their own ideas that they actually believe it themselves.

I myself do not subscribe to anything in the doom and gloom psyche that is in abundance. The sun still has a good 10,000 years of life left in it and provided we don’t destroy ourselves before we grow up and start looking for ways to survive natural disasters (planet-wide I mean) instead of creating more reason to kill each other, it is possible that this world may be stricken by some natural disaster but we may see it come to pass from 200 miles up on giant monitors or even prevent it from happening altogether.

Our survival depends very much on our desire to continue. Greed and elitism will not save anyone.

[Wind]

It would be fun if Bill and Kerry could do a little recap with Geryl in 2013. Meaning that all of us are still left here. :)

[kersley]

If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?
Norman, you made a very good point...maybe you should email Patrick and ask the same question? Let me know if you get a response...

[Arrowwind]

Geryl speaks in the movie called 2012: An Awakening
really is fear mongering cause if it happens no one will survive so whats the point in getting into it?
Life life today as it is a gift and that it is a gift that keeps on giving.

[BestLion]

Norman, you made a very good point...maybe you should email Patrick and ask the same question? Let me know if you get a response...
If you watch the 1:30 minute interview he mentions this. From what i gather is he doesn't think anything is left intact from the previous civilization that was destroyed, and thus I think he doesn't think the Pyramids and other megalithic monuments are older then the last catastrophe that hit the earth....and if you think about it..on this part modern science would agree with him, they man made place the oldest place on earth to be only like 8,000 BC..They say Puma Punku is only around 4,000 or so BC Giza at 2,200 BC..
Also note the megalithic things that were found..most are utterly destroyed like the huge Puma Punku..made out of granite..that would be near indestructible..yet something of great magnitude destroyed it. "Indications of a great cataclysm"
So really then If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars? That wouldn't hold up to his thesis. Also many megalithic structure are not aligned to anything..like the really old ones like Arkaim in Russia yet that thing more then likely went through 1 or maybe 2 earth cataclysms before.

[Ivanhoe]

Run for yer live's, we're all gonna die!
Sorry y'all, no offence, but here's my take on it.
m2_qxnAwfgk

[BestLion]

Geryl speaks in the movie called 2012: An Awakening
really is fear mongering cause if it happens no one will survive so whats the point in getting into it?
Life life today as it is a gift and that it is a gift that keeps on giving.
I believe he does think man will survive but only like 1%. In the past the earth has went through a few of these events and man survived..Likely also 1% of the population. i read a book once about Atlantis and the guy who wrote it said that earth population then was like 1 billion people, and only about 8,000,000 or so survived the great event.

[BestLion]

Run for yer live's, we're all gonna die!
Sorry y'all, no offence, but here's my take on it.
He may be right he may be wrong, but the sun and earth will one day have an event that triggers a new ice age. Its happened before and will happen again..2012? I hope not! And I don't think it will... maybe 2025? maybe 5,012? One thing is for sure a spiritual, highly advanced culture like Atlantis perished via that event.

[Matts]

How can we be sure about the date. I have heard in history class, that there may be greater gaps in time count stemming from historical conflicts in the Middle Ages. Then there is still divergent count of the Mayan calendar. According to John Calleman Mayan priests and the Mayan calendar ended on 28 October last year. So what now?
And then is it still possible to influence the future itself, with its own free will and change the focus of our consciousness. For this purpose encourage some channeled transmissions of our extraterrestrial neighbors.
So I'm not very sure about Patric Geryl's results.
Because these other factors he has not in view and at the sun and the cosmos he just looks just as simply physical structures. Not as a living being like in the old cultures...

[etm567]

If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

Because they were built after the last big cataclysm.

The ones that were there before, if there were any, or the ones we haven't found.

[BestLion]

If the surface of the earth moves like that, why do so many ancient sites still align with true north and the stars?

Because they were built after the last big cataclysm.

The ones that were there before, if there were any, or the ones we haven't found.
He tends to think Atlantis is under the ice now in the arctic. i tend to also agree with this theory, and so do many others who talk about Atlantis and Thule. These were once tropical paradises, and now are buried under 2 KM of ice. That would mean earth crust displacement happened and a pole shift. I am near sure if the ice melted in the arctic then we would find tons of megalithic monuments and cities there. Also in many myths esp that of the Scandinavian nations they all say the Viking of old came from the Arctic.
Anyway , yeah all standing monuments we see today like Giza, Stonehenge, etc were built AFTER the great cataclysm that destroyed Atlantis.

Because these other factors he has not in view and at the sun and the cosmos he just looks just as simply physical structures. Not as a living being like in the old cultures...
I agree with you i feel the earth -Sun stars all are a living soul, and so did the past great civilizations.

[Second Son]

Here are some cold, hard facts to all those here, regardless of their take on the Mayan prophesy...

1)The earth's magnetic field has flip-flopped before many times in fairly rapid succession, in fact.

2)If we are to believe there is even a shred of truth to any/all of the religious texts, as well as indigenous oral traditions, then we have to believe that there has been earth changing catastrophe visited on us in the past.

3) We will be crossing the galactic equator on or about December 21, 2012. This is the densest part of space in terms of gravity and electromagnetic energy.

4) Ice core samples reflect cosmic bombardments in the earth's past which seem to come in cycles or waves.

5) Fossil records indicate mass extinctions, in the very recent past. I'm not talking about dinosaurs, I am talking about the mega-fauna, like the cave bear and saber toothed tiger which roamed the earth just 10,000 years ago. What killed these ferocious, adaptive, scavenging omnivores, along with every other living mammal on the planet at the time?

6) According to NASA satellite data, our galaxy is entering an area of "local fluff'... a pleasant sounding term for an electromagnetic band of plasma which is 6000 degrees Celsius. According to one researcher, "There could be interesting times ahead!"

7) Most indigenous cultures speak of a time when the sun rose in the west and set in the east.

8) We are seeing new kinds of cloud formations never before recorded by meteorologists.

9) We are experiencing the new phenomena of the "mega-storm"... more powerful weather cells than have ever been recorded by man.

10) A brand new form of lightning coined "megalightning" has appeared on the scene. It is 1000 ties stronger than conventional strikes, and one scientist said it's discovery was akin to a doctor discovering a new body part.

11) There have been massive species die-offs, from birds, to fish, to whales, to crabs...

12) Those with power and money are spending billions if not trillions of dollars to construct underground bases and cities.

DON'T PANIC UNDULY, BUT DON'T BURY YOUR COLLECTIVE HEADS IN THE SAND EITHER. THE TIMES THEY ARE A CHANGIN'

[BestLion]

Below is online with what happens with massive solar flares.They hit before in 1859..Here is the history of that event 2012 is said by the Mayans destruction coming from the sun

The Carrington Effect (CME)



A Super Solar Flare

At 11:18 AM on the cloudless morning of Thursday, September 1, 1859, 33-year-old Richard Carrington—widely acknowledged to be one of England’s foremost solar astronomers—was in his well-appointed private observatory. Just as usual on every sunny day, his telescope was projecting an 11-inch-wide image of the sun on a screen, and Carrington skillfully drew the sunspots he saw.

On that morning, he was capturing the likeness of an enormous group of sunspots. Suddenly, before his eyes, two brilliant beads of blinding white light appeared over the sunspots, intensified rapidly, and became kidney-shaped. Realizing that he was witnessing something unprecedented and "being somewhat flurried by the surprise," Carrington later wrote, "I hastily ran to call someone to witness the exhibition with me. On returning within 60 seconds, I was mortified to find that it was already much changed and enfeebled." He and his witness watched the white spots contract to mere pinpoints and disappear.

It was 11:23 AM. Only five minutes had passed.

Just before dawn the next day, skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras so brilliant that newspapers could be read as easily as in daylight. Indeed, stunning auroras pulsated even at near tropical latitudes over Cuba, the Bahamas, Jamaica, El Salvador, and Hawaii.

Even more disconcerting, telegraph systems worldwide went haywire. Spark discharges shocked telegraph operators and set the telegraph paper on fire. Even when telegraphers disconnected the batteries powering the lines, aurora-induced electric currents in the wires still allowed messages to be transmitted.

"What Carrington saw was a white-light solar flare—a magnetic explosion on the sun," explains David Hathaway, solar physics team lead at NASA’s Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama.

The explosion produced not only a surge of visible light but also a mammoth cloud of charged particles and detached magnetic loops—a "CME"—and hurled that cloud directly toward Earth.

The next morning when the CME arrived, it crashed into Earth’s magnetic field, causing the global bubble of magnetism that surrounds our planet to shake and quiver. Researchers call this a "geomagnetic storm." Rapidly moving fields induced enormous electric currents that surged through telegraph lines and disrupted communications.

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The Biggest Solar Storm in History

It was the 2 September 1859 -the day after Carrington had notice the solar flare. The clipper ship Southern Cross was off Chile when, at 1:30am, it sailed into a living hell.

Hailstones from above and waves from all around whipped the deck.

When the wind-lashed ocean spray fell away to leeward, the men noticed they were sailing in an ocean of blood.

The colour was reflected from the sky, which, they could see – even through the clouds – was wreathed in an all-encompassing red glow.

The sailors recognized the lights as the southern aurora that usually graced the skies near the Antarctic Circle, just as their northern counterparts cling to the Arctic. To see them from this far north was highly unusual.

As the gale subsided, they witnessed an even more astonishing display.

Fiery lights loomed against the horizon as if some terrible conflagration had engulfed the Earth.

Vivid bolts flew across the now clear sky in spiral streaks and exploded in silent brilliance, as if the very souls of all humanity were fleeing whatever cataclysm had befallen the planet.


Upon their arrival at San Francisco, the ship’s company discovered that theirs was not an isolated experience.

Two thirds of the Earth’s skies had been similarly smothered. Also, there was a sinister side to the aurora.

The beguiling lights had disabled the telegraph system, wiping out communications across the world.

For days, nature refused to allow these arteries of information to flow freely. It was as if today’s Internet had suddenly, inexplicably shut down. Worse still, the aurora also threatened life and limb.
In Philadelphia, a telegrapher was stunned by a severe shock. In some offices the equipment burst into flames.

In Bergen, Norway, the operators had to scramble to disconnect the apparatus, risking electrocution. On top of this, compasses spun uselessly under the grip of the aurora, disrupting global navigation.

[BestLion]

“If a solar storm of the magnitude of the Carrington flare were to occur today, the effect on our modern technologically dependent society would be grave.

Of these, the greatest threat would lie in the loss of stable electrical power. A massive solar storm could destroy many of the large custom Extra High Voltage (EHV) power transformer in the United States.

Imagine the effect of a total power blackout for months/years on 100 million people in the U.S. along with many millions across the globe.

Imagine the effect on the entire earth, if it was big enough.

What would happen without Power and Electricity if a major solar flare hit the earth?

First to go – immediately for some people – is drinkable water.

Anyone living in a high-rise apartment, where water has to be pumped to reach them, would be cut off straight away.

For the rest, drinking water will still come through the taps for maybe half a day. With no electricity to pump water from reservoirs, there is no more after that.


There is simply no electrically powered transport: no trains, underground or overground.

Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

[TargeT]

[Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

a CME of that scale would render anything built after 1950 (guessing here...) vehicle wise useless, as most vehicles have key systems dependant on transistors... in other words gasoline would be good for fires, thats about it.. 98% of vehicles would cease to function untill key eletrical components were replaced. computers are especially vulnerable as the faster they go the smaller and more delicate the transistors are...

One nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US would take out 80% of the US's eletrical grid... this is a huge vulnerability.

[gooty64]

I just watched the whole Patrick Geryl video. Outstanding!
A new thread with this video would be much better than the wretched video at the top of this thread.
Before I do that, I will take some research to see if there has been any action on Avalon regarding Geryl since this 2009 interview. Or to see if has been debunked or updated...


gVwlru1-5A4
You can listen the interview with Bill and Kasey here.Geryl theorised that the expanding universe was "accelerating" in the face of the orthodox scientific view of one which is slowing down.
In 1998 he was proved correct.
And in 2008 his theory that that there were galaxies in our universe that move at the speed of light was also proven right.

[Tarka the Duck]

@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie

[BestLion]

@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie
I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

[joedjemal]

The formula is very old and established and does actually manage to bring the money in. What is this formula?

First you find a niche. In this case it is a new and unique way of ending the world or predicting some catastrophe that would affect thousands or millions.
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Second, ensure that the niche you pick has enough human interest to draw sufficient attention (something like the end of the world should do it). In other words, you must find a way to somehow scream a little bit louder than your competitor scammers. That’s your marketing strategy.

Third, you have to be a very good actor; e.g. able to lie without batting an eye lid and losing composure.

Fourth, you must find the proper medium through which to spread your “prediction” and it must appear to have some token legitimacy on which people can focus and rationalise. For example, appearing on TV should do it. Even if you get torn apart, it doesn’t matter. The very fact that you appeared is often enough. Failing that, write a book and ensure the targeted audience reads it and if you can get it endorsed (seemingly or otherwise) by a well-known figure, all the better.

Fifth, continue to promote your material through whatever means possible and where appropriate, get others also to talk about it. Why not make a YouTube video and even if the comments are unkind, sufficient number of people might see it and even if 1 per mille who come into contact with your material actually part with money that ends up in your pocked, job’s done.

The five steps to easy income. Just sit back and let the money roll in; never mind that you have scared the living daylights out of people. The goal is money. When the date comes and goes and nothing happens, there will be no refunds.

The most convincing of the false prophets out there are those who are so infatuated with their own ideas that they actually believe it themselves.

I myself do not subscribe to anything in the doom and gloom psyche that is in abundance. The sun still has a good 10,000 years of life left in it and provided we don’t destroy ourselves before we grow up and start looking for ways to survive natural disasters (planet-wide I mean) instead of creating more reason to kill each other, it is possible that this world may be stricken by some natural disaster but we may see it come to pass from 200 miles up on giant monitors or even prevent it from happening altogether.

Our survival depends very much on our desire to continue. Greed and elitism will not save anyone.

Absolutely. One niggle, the sun is in the middle of its main sequence, it has at least four billion more years of life in its current state not ten thousand.

[Bollinger]

Absolutely. One niggle, the sun is in the middle of its main sequence, it has at least four billion more years of life in its current state not ten thousand.

Thanks Joe. There are many estimates as to when it will actually die and when it will start to die. The sooner of these will affect earth and without actually looking it up I recalled having read it somewhere but it was a long time ago and I'm willing to be corrected.

Suffice to say though that (as far as the sun is concerned) we have plenty of time to start heading in the right direction with regard to what happens here on Earth.

[panopticon]

G'day All,

For those who are interested in the possible impacts of a major solar "event" (or an EMP strike) on modern society, the following may be of interest:

http://www.breadandbutterscience.com/SSTA.pdf
http://www.empcommission.org/
http://www.nap.edu/catalog/12507.html
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1549/1
http://www.thespacereview.com/article/1549/2
http://www.solarstorms.org
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/articles/article/the-biggest-solar-storm-in-history/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/06may_carringtonflare/
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2003/23oct_superstorm/

Apologies for not participating but I've got alot on the go at the moment.

Kind Regards, :yo:
Panopticon

[araucaria]

There is a lot we don’t understand about stars, inevitably so since our life span is so much shorter.

As I recall, Paul LaViolette, author of the galactic superwave theory implicit in the above posts, says that stars grow and grow, and that blue stars are in fact smaller stars in a later stage of their existence, rather than shortlived stars, as current theory tells us. So we might be seeing things back to front. For example, when astronomers see galaxies ‘colliding’, they have to admit that no actual collisions are involved. For all we know, they may be making love :) It is a mistake children make.

The Dec 21st 2012 date in itself is nothing, but the hype in the build-up towards that date is certainly something. There is now no doubt that something will happen on that date, and it is this: those currently powerful people who had a vested interest in something untoward occurring will no longer have a leg to stand on, and the rest of us will be able to get on with our lives in peace. At last.

[Tarka the Duck]

@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie
I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

Hello again BL

You say you are disturbed by 3 things: he so-called Dark Rift, the solar flares and a cataclysmic event happening every 25,000 years.

Dark rift: do you understand what is meant by "dark rift"? I'm certainly no astrophysicist, but I'm pretty sure it's nothing to be disturbed about.

The "Dark Rift" or "Great Rift" or "Milky Way Rift" is not actually a 'rift' at all. It is a series of overlapping dust and molecular gas clouds that are positioned between our solar system and the nuclear bulge of the galaxy. These clouds block the light from that portion of the milky way, and cause it to appear as if the Milky Way is divided into two roughly equal sections above and below them. These clouds (or 'dark nebulae') are several thousand light years distant, and almost completely obscure the central portion of the galaxy from our view.1 One of the Messier objects (M24) is actually a window or tunnel through the dust clouds. What appears to be a deep sky object is actually a portion of the Sagittarius Arm of the galaxy.

I won't paste all the technical stuff about it, but here is the conclusion:

We have shown that contrary to often-heard claims, the Dark Rift Alignment on the Winter Solstice is not a "unique", "extremely rare", "once in 25,800 years" occurrence. We have also shown that there are no consequences to this alignment.

Solar flares: The sun is unpredictable, and it can send a massive coronal mass ejection in our direction at any point in time, regardless of the sunspot cycle. Likewise, the sun is perfectly capable of not generating a lot of solar flares or CMEs, even during solar max. Activity tends to be more frequent during solar max, but not necessarily stronger.


Cataclysmic event every 25,000 years: what is the evidence for this theory that that disturbs you?

Kathie

[VaughnB]

From my Geology days, the past several hundred pole reversals occurred gradually, as it is doing to this day. The magnetic fields will separate perhaps into as many as eight lesser field bodies, which will diminish our protection from solar radiation but not enough to really cause significant cancers.

We can avoid exposure. During the months of magnetic flux to full reversal there will be no major upset in plate tectonics, the fields have nothing to do with the motion of the floating land masses.

No worries, poor fellow but he'll be o.k., just go back to work again in Belgium.

************

Real Concerns:
Political
Economic
Social
and maybe things we can't prevent CME or asteroids.

[BestLion]

Kathie, I only said a few of those things are troubling! Solar flares have causes problems before on earth ie 1859. The cosmic alignment, i don't think astronomers know that much about it..could be a nonevent as you say. I personally am no expert on that matter, I read a few that claim it is a non event, others say it is a bigger event then we think..I suppose time will tell.
About 25,000 year event- Well it does seem that around this time something happens, if be a pole shift, or massive volcanic eruptions that lead to a dark period.. Remember a massive volcanic eruption can effect the clime and cause widespread famine and very cold climate even in hot areas.
Do i buy into Patricks..'run for the hills" no i don't. i i do think he is selling more books being more chicken little. he to me is like a Christian pastor who has preached the rapture 100 times..to where that pastor actually thinks the world will end and Jesus will sweep him away.
The Mayan prediction has only been recently discovered and encoded. i think around 1992 it was first encoded. Then after this time many stories started floating about it. Then around 1997 they started talking end of the world 2012 from it..so i think the translation of it went a little too radical.
Hope that clears some stuff up>

[gooty64]

fNxvYX7zih8

a little tension breaker-----a guilty pleasure

[Tarka the Duck]

Hello BL

I'm really glad to hear that you're not worried...as we both said, anything can happen at any time...
I am just very wary of people who pop up out of nowhere, with little background in the subject about which they are writing, usually spouting extreme prophecies and predictions of some kind!
Unfortunately, they get more attention that the quiet, professionals who just chug along in the background.
I do try and stay open minded - but, as someone told me the other day, not so open that my brain falls out.:eek:

Kathie

[BestLion]

I am just very wary of people who pop up out of nowhere, with little background in the subject about which they are writing, usually spouting extreme prophecies and predictions of some kind!
Well this Patrick guy as I read into his theory's (spent some time today on it)..so he claims (his theories)..are not new..all already been addressed..esp about 2012..He only takes a few bits here, and there..from others and makes his own conclusions..just as you and I could easily do. All this solar flares etc..has been talked about for years..by many..seems near all his 2012 ideas are NOT original but tidbits from here and there writers on the subject..I'm not dismissing the guy..but he does esp as of today and my research on this topic' come off to me as a hell -fire-brimstone evangelist..that is also making tons of cash in the process of preaching hells fire.
i do think something will happen on Dec 2012..something physical not mental. End of the world..mass die off?? Could...heck anyway could..in 1995 we could have been hit by the Shoemaker Levey 9 comet and thus chapter closed on mankind. Now the Mayans and the almanac given to them was also a local thing., For example the eclipse they predicted would happen there but maybe not in China. an Eclipse does not last long some only seconds. Thus through my research on this..i tend to think the Mayan calendar was a more 'local event" thus i think something may happen to South America on this day..maybe a volcano?? maybe something else?

[Tarka the Duck]

He only takes a few bits here, and there..from others and makes his own conclusions..just as you and I could easily do.

The difference is that neither of us would write a book about it...;)
Kathie

[Bill Ryan]

[Our just-in-time culture for delivery networks may represent the pinnacle of efficiency, but it means that supermarket shelves would empty very quickly – delivery trucks could only keep running until their tanks ran out of fuel, and there is no electricity to pump any more from the underground tanks at filling stations.

Back-up generators would run at pivotal sites – but only until their fuel ran out. For hospitals, that would mean about 72 hours of running a bare-bones, essential care only, service. After that, no more modern healthcare.

The truly shocking finding is that this whole situation would not improve for months, maybe years: melted transformer hubs cannot be repaired, only replaced.

Even when some systems are capable of receiving power again, there is no guarantee there will be any to deliver.

Almost all natural gas and fuel pipelines require electricity to operate.

Coal-fired power stations usually keep reserves to last 30 days, but with no transport systems running to bring more fuel, there will be no electricity in the second month.


…With no power for heating, cooling or refrigeration systems, people could begin to die within days.

There is immediate danger for those who rely on medication.

Lose power to New Jersey, for instance, and you have lost a major centre of production of pharmaceuticals for the entire US.

Perishable medications such as insulin will soon be in short supply.

"In the US alone there are a million people with diabetes," Kappenman says. "Shut down production, distribution and storage and you put all those lives at risk in very short order."

a CME of that scale would render anything built after 1950 (guessing here...) vehicle wise useless, as most vehicles have key systems dependant on transistors... in other words gasoline would be good for fires, thats about it.. 98% of vehicles would cease to function untill key eletrical components were replaced. computers are especially vulnerable as the faster they go the smaller and more delicate the transistors are...

One nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over the US would take out 80% of the US's eletrical grid... this is a huge vulnerability.

Yes: this is very important information here.

Must read:

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html

-- the sequence of e-mails to Project Camelot (dated April 2009) from the wife of a senior electrical engineer in the UK who had been officially briefed about a serious major threat to infrastructure in 2012-13.

We believed this was very credible information, and were as sure as we could be that the e-mails were authentic.

[Midnight Rambler]

A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

[Bill Ryan]

A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html (http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html)

... and ask him for his take on this. It may prompt him to say a little more. Please ask him for as much detail as he knows -- and (importantly) how he knows it.

I have quite a lot of attention on this threat, and your friend might possibly be able to add some important pieces to the puzzle. There's quite a lot of evidence that none of us are being told about an expected threat to the global power grid in the next 12-24 months.

[TargeT]

A friend of mine is an electrician. He told me that, because of an expected threat of a solar flare, his work had become very busy. He is, for more than a year now, installing some new technology that must prevent system failure of the electricity grid in case of a heavy CME, with EMP consequences.

I've known this friend for a long time and trust him completely. He came with this information after I told something about the sun cycle.

He told me this information about a year ago and when I asked him about it six months later he told me not to worry about it, much had been done to prevent the problem.

I really don't know any more than this. I think the grid here may be protected, but the electrical equipment in homes and in cars probably not.

Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article

http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html (http://projectcamelot.org/electrical_engineer.html)

... and ask him for his take on this. It may prompt him to say a little more. Please ask him for as much detail as he knows -- and (importantly) how he knows it.

I have quite a lot of attention on this threat, and your friend might possibly be able to add some important pieces to the puzzle. There's quite a lot of evidence that none of us are being told about an expected threat to the global power grid in the next 12-24 months.

Perhaps in .NL (netherlands?) something is being done.. and its gotta be something unknown in the US because over here there is no known work around.. its like the problem is being looked at by deer in headlights... they aren't really doing anything but watching.

there's an excelent book on the subject (fictional, but WELL researched) called One Second After ( http://www.amazon.com/One-Second-After-William-Forstchen/dp/0765317583 ) it basically "war games" the scenario in a smaller town.. & I'll tell you this, the things he writes about are very well researched from the stand point of a first responder... this book is very close to scenario's that have been discussed by National guard planning teams that I've been involved in.

The clonclusion is : hope we don't get hit.

[Midnight Rambler]

Dear Friend:

Please refer your electrician friend to the Camelot article.

I have sent him the article and asked him if he is able to share more information. When I hear back from him I will let you know.


Perhaps in .NL (netherlands?)
Yes Target, NL stands for the Netherlands.

[BestLion]

Solar flare hit in 1859 and fried the entire network of all electronic telegraphs. NASA has said even that solar flare build up is extremely high and ready to go off..they went off in the past..ie 1859 and created disarray. Patrick whom I find a bit extreme..but he does have good points..says 2012 will be a massive storm of these solar flares. NASA btw tends to agree with him..The USA sent up satellites to observe solar flares.
If a solar flare even on the scale of the 1859 flare hit the current earth its lights outs. The Mayan calendar says the god of the sun will stick...this is probably a solar flare of maximum grade.
Also think Fukashima power plant melted down due to what? The lack of electrical power!!!!!!!!! a massive solar flare may lead to 100s of nuke meltdowns worldwide!
The Japan emperors spoke of 3 days darkness..may it be a solar flare?..ie taking out all power grids?

[Midnight Rambler]

I have done some researching and found some interesting articles. Solar storms are forecasted and measures can be taken to protect the grid. So the conclusion could be that if a flare of the magnitude of 1859 should occur and the grid is heavily damaged because of it, this is a deliberate action not to intervene or someone is not doing their job very well.


As Sun Storms Ramp Up, Electric Grid Braces for Impact (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/energy/2011/08/110803-solar-flare-storm-electricity-grid-risk/)


"If operators know a couple days beforehand that there's a good likelihood of a storm, they can postpone maintenance of critical lines," Pulkkinen said. This step maximizes the amount of the grid available, reducing strain if localized portions fail.

"Operators can also bring in more reserve power to the system to make it as stable as possible," he said. If particular transformers start showing signs of trouble, operators can reduce their load or disconnect them.

If the storm is expected to be severe enough, "the most dramatic action is to close down the entire grid," Pulkkinen said. "If the system is turned off, the extra DC currents alone won't harm the transformers."

But such a move would be "the last mitigation measure in the toolbox," he said, because switching the system off intentionally would result in temporary blackouts.



SPACECAST (http://fp7-spacecast.eu/)


SPACECAST is a Collaborative Project funded by the European Union Framework 7 programme. SPACECAST will help protect satellites on orbit by modelling and forecasting high energy particle radiation.



SPACE WEATHER (http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2007/2006SW000262.shtml)


Forecasting the impact of an 1859-caliber superstorm on geosynchronous Earth-orbiting satellites: Transponder resources

[BestLion]

Midnight Ramble, do you think they will shut off the entire power grid of the USA..cause some satellite told them to?> or in Russia-China? I dont think they will and that flare will burn out all electronics that are powered in..The 1859 had fires to telegraphs..etc..A solar flare of high power will melt all that stuff to nothing. It will be like plugin in a CPU to a 100V and having 2,300 V hit it...will fry all electronics. Cars, computers, electric grid, airplanes in flight, and TVs..no one will know what hit em...then after will be a run on the supermarkets..creating food shortage...Riots will happen in Big cities as no police can communicate due to lose of power on their walkies talkies. A solar flare hit in 1859 due we think cause we have more tech that we are exempt?

[Phoenix1304]

Suhweet!: (the pictures of Kerry & Bill), I tried editing to add the quote, but can't.

http://projectavalon.net/Project_Camelot_50_years.jpg

I so often wish there was just a laugh button on this forum! It can get very intense in here! The smilies just don't cut it.

As to this vid. bit slick wasn't it? Clever, relentless and powerful footage of CATASTROPHIC DISASTER, of predominantly, the Japanese in a movieland Tsunami. I wonder when it was made, by whom and the motive? BestlLion seems v. impressed with Percy Geryl ; ) made me wonder if he IS one and the same.

It put me in mind of that interesting film 'Knowing', where the ets rescue the chosen from annihilation. Of course, the elite may have a ticket to ride off planet as others have posited. But in 'Knowing' the chosen were the pure of heart, I'll hold onto that as my guide to the future. A solar blast would be a sudden and merciful end compared to surviving a post nuclear world. So now I can go over to the other thread I was reading today about a nuke at the Olympics and bioterrorism on the tubes and worry about that. I realise that energy flows where the attention goes, so I endeavour to balance negative images and ideas, but I want to hear all the theories, this one included, I've been anticipating this year for decades - found the forum just in time! So thanks for posting.

Geophysical events may be unavoidable or controlled by the great sim master from his holodeck but occur they do, in regular cycles, we know civilisations and species have come and gone before us, we chose to be here and I found myself thinking today, why would I have signed up for this? The greatest show in the Universe every 26,000 years? Sudden death. Okay, but why? Maybe the consciousness experiment. Bring on Drunvalo, I want some soothing words.

don't mind me, just rambling....

[BestLion]

The greatest show in the Universe every 26,000 years? Sudden death.
Well I plan to buy some vodka and beer on Dec 20th and drink just in case for 2 days strait. "The Mayans predict UA time about 1 Am on Dec 22nd..or 8:00 PM New york time Dec 21st) if nothing happens I have a hangover I can recover from..if something then i went out with a smile!

[Phoenix1304]

@ gooty

Hello! The site 2012hoax.org is interesting if you want to investigate other reviews of his work.

Kathie
I just looked at this site, and I do think it is good to get BOTH sides of any case, esp a end of the world senerio. i totally agree that most 2012 people are after the money, write books, or scam people into giving money via their business 'they sell survival stuff".
The main thing about 2012 I am slightly disturb about is 1. The cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift). This happens every 25,000 or so years, and no scientist knows what will happen, can only speculate..maybe nothing, maybe something 2. Solar flares- Nasa says we are overdue for a solar flare of unprecedented power, these have hit in the past..like the major one in 1859. 3. What is disturbing is that it appears every 25,000 years some cataclysmic even happens on earth..are we due again? Sure this will happen again..will it be 2012 or 9012?
Those are the three items I feel may be troubling about 2012.

Hello BestLion, I was talking to an astrologer recently who says he has found no extraordinary planetary alignments for December 21, 2012 (although he has found some in the summer!), I was massively disappointed because I had heard about this 'galactic alignment' on 21.12.12, so this 'cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift)', can you elaborate on this as I would like to see the astronomic evidence for it and learn more about it.

[BestLion]

Hello BestLion, I was talking to an astrologer recently who says he has found no extraordinary planetary alignments for December 21, 2012 (although he has found some in the summer!), I was massively disappointed because I had heard about this 'galactic alignment' on 21.12.12, so this 'cosmic alignment with the black hole (dark Rift)', can you elaborate on this as I would like to see the astronomic evidence for it and learn more about it.
Thanks..I also on the side do a bit of astronomy, but I am not pro. I have a small telescope my wife bought me for Xmas in 2003 I use. I can see Jupiter and the planets good..and some stars, but I can NOT see that black hole they talk about or anything out of the ordinary.
The Mayans say the sun god will return..so if any event happens in 2012 will not come from a cosmic alignment "or may' but from the sun..the alignment may effect the sun..

[Midnight Rambler]

Midnight Ramble, do you think they will shut off the entire power grid of the USA..cause some satellite told them to?> or in Russia-China? I dont think they will and that flare will burn out all electronics that are powered in..

I think it may be the most pragmatic thing to do. Better shut the grid down for whatever time it takes for the flare to hit us than to replace all the transformers and have an uncontrollable situation on our hands.

And it is not that some satellite tells someone to shut it off. The camera's on the sun can see the flare come off it and with calculations done by scientists they may be able to estimate the damage the flare could inflict. I have seen some predictions of possible EMP's hitting earth but nothing real has happened (yet). So maybe some protection is set up all along.

[BestLion]

As to this vid. bit slick wasn't it? Clever, relentless and powerful footage of CATASTROPHIC DISASTER, of predominantly, the Japanese in a movieland Tsunami. I wonder when it was made, by whom and the motive?
Dont worry Im nor Patrick not do I write books :)
If what Patrick says is true, and come to pass, Japan and England will be wiped off the map..they are all near sea level. The tidal wave last year in Japan sadly took many lives..Also Japan is packed full of nuke power plants all of which will go Fukashuma meltdown creating radiation poison that will make the entire area unlivable. France and the UK also have lot of nuke power plants that if earthquakes and flood happen and they meltdown will make them a toxic wasteland. Lets just hope what Patrick says wont happen...if it does...well that 5% of me that think maybe is going to be buying some booze before hand, and I may take the day off work and live it it up..I'll likely get intoxicated around that time..and if I wake up on Dec 26th and the world is still here..well I wont be surprised..only hungover.
Glad you liked the video. if what Patrick says is true thats probably fairly accurate on what will happen. Lets hope all this come to pass and the next ice age is 1,000+ year into the future.

[Second Son]

I think the PTW know more than they are letting on.

A few examples.

I recently had to be at home for an internet install, so I didn't work that day, and spent some time talking to the technician when he arrived. He mentioned that they were going for an all fiber optic system. He talked about how much less signal loss was possible, as well as the increased carrying capacity and band width. BUT, I asked what about the huge expense? Are there maybe other reasons? I saw a very cagey look on his face, and knew I would have to ask directly to get a response. So I popped the 64 thousand dollar question... is your company worried about CME's? His answer? VERY WORRIED.

I met a man at a quick lube garage (of all places) I was waiting to have some tires put on my car. We got talking, and he tells me is is a HAM radio operator. He says that when the Y2K non-event happened, the government enlisted the help of himself and many other radio jockeys to form a seamless network across the state, because of the possibility of disrupted communications. He also told me that they (the HAM operators) have a conference every year, and that there is always a key note speaker at these meetings. I asked what topics were discussed in such circles. He said the last speaker (2010) had been an expert in electro magnetism... a physicist who was part of a NASA commissioned think tank. The man had talked about the same thing as the internet installer. Seems to be a lot of worry about this phenomena in the communications industry.

I have a nuke plant in the southern part of my state *UGH* It has had an appalling safety record over the last handful of years. Most Vermonters want is closed, maybe it was the front page photo in the local paper of flames shooting out the side of one of the buildings, or perhaps the many water leaks, or... I don't know, the lost fuel rods or something (all true) Despite the fact that during community forums, the overwhelming majority (85%) would like to see it closed, guess what the owners of the tired and shoddy old plant decided to do? Increase the power output to MORE than it is rated for! The trunk lines coming off it are massive, BUT they are in the end stage of installing a brand new line running the entire length of the state, right next to the existing one! I would bet it is NOT to increase carrying capacity, but more a redundant line, just in case the primary one fails in the event of a solar phenomenon.

Something IS coming.

[Godiam]

2012 is simply a midway point of a 36 year window which will change the level of conciouness of human beings!

Sure, the Mayan long count calender finishes in late december, this year, but the Earth itself will continue to exist long after we are all gone! (this wont happen for millenia)...... Humankind is continuing to evolve, not phsically, but conciously as we move beyond a paradigm of fear and seperation! We are currently in the crossover period from the age of Pisces, to the age of Aquarius (The so called Golden Age) where we move into an era of Love and acceptance of our many differences, and we learn to honour all the different aspects of humanity and leave behind a time of settling differences through war and violence!

There is so much fear generated around a set of numbers ( I love the term fearporn ) we have to choose whether we wish to focus oor energies on this fear and negativity, or on creating a world of Love and Acceptance!...... The Earth (Gaia) is evolving along with us and there will be no place for peddlars of fearporn in the new reality, I don't understand the mechanics of this, but I just know there is a new paradigm emerging and in 20 years from now the world will be a totally different place to now! (Well, Mine will be anyway)

One more thing, the coming iceage is not that far away, and the Earth always appears to warm, as a precursor to a global cooling!

HUGS.....Godiam

[Arrowwind]

Yes, and isnt it inspiring to know that Avelonians are going to bask in alcohol when the time nears..

is this a sign of the evolution you speak of?

[BestLion]

NASA WARNS COMING DISASTER
More less talk about solar activity. Scientist say if a mass solar flare hits could knock us 100 years back in the past>
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[Wind]

The biggest concern that I have is nuclear power, basically we have created a trap for ourselves here on Earth. I don't even want to think about if the power grids go down everywhere... Fukushima is still a mess.

[BestLion]

Very interesting video below about the Solar storm of 1859!
Talks about the effects on mankind if a solar flare like 1859 hit the earth today.
Solar storm is a serious threat around 2012. Both NASA and ESA confirmed the next huge solar storm between September 2012 and May 2013. We all heard about the big one in 1859 and it looks like we are not far away from another one coming our way.
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[BestLion]

According to George Ure, over at UrbanSurvival.com Patrick sent him the key solar doom dates till 12/21/2012, which are:
The good news is that we have at least one person on earth who starts to get grips on the solar cycles and the sunspot theory. The bad news is that he seems to be right. This is bad because of the calculations and predictions regarding December 21, 2012 get even more credibility.
Cycles Left Sun-quake Dates
10 Sunday, August 01, 2010
9 Monday, October 25, 2010
8 Tuesday, January 18, 2011
7 Thursday, April 14, 2011
6 Friday, July 08, 2011
5 Sunday, October 02, 2011
4 Monday, December 26, 2011
3 Wednesday, March 21, 2012
2 Thursday, June 14, 2012
1 Saturday, September 08, 2012
0 Sunday, December 02, 2012
Herein, Gov. Jesse Ventura echoes a grave warning from the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (N.A.S.A.) and the National Academy of Science: namely, record-level solar flares and coronal mass ejections will *soon* destroy the world's power grids. Consequently, all broadcast transmitters will suddenly go dead, very likely within a matter of months — and all radio and TV receivers will also go dead, suddenly and unexpectedly. Only those broadcast transmitters and receivers that have independent power supplies will operate.
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[gooty64]

The biggest concern that I have is nuclear power, basically we have created a trap for ourselves here on Earth. I don't even want to think about if the power grids go down everywhere... Fukushima is still a mess.

I live 5 miles-as the crow flies-from a nuclear power plant. Prairie Island (cute name!) Nuclear Power Plant est. 1973.

I am in Wisconsin and the plant is just across the mighty Mississippi River in Minnesota. Spent fuel is piling up at the plant because, plans to ship the fuels off site "fell through".

As I am wanting to move, what I am curious to learn more about is the probabilities of where it is safe to live in the USA or the planet in case of a meltdown.

Prairie Island Nuclear Power Plant
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant



Location of Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant
Country United States
Location Red Wing, Minnesota
Coordinates 44°37′18″N 92°37′59″WCoordinates: 44°37′18″N 92°37′59″W
Status Operational
Commission date Unit 1: December 16, 1973
Unit 2: December 21, 1974
Licence expiration Unit 1: August 9, 2033
Unit 2: October 29, 2034
Owner(s) Xcel Energy
Architect(s) Fluor Pioneer
Reactor information
Reactors operational 2 x 548 MW
Reactor type(s) pressurized water reactor
Power generation information
Annual generation 8,914 GW·h
Website
Xcel Energy - Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant
As of 2011-06-30
The Prairie Island Nuclear Generating Plant is an electricity-generating facility located in Red Wing, Minnesota along the Mississippi River, adjacent to the Prairie Island Indian Community reservation. The nuclear power plant, which first began operating in 1973, has two nuclear reactors (pressurized water reactors) made by Westinghouse that produce a total 1,076 megawatts of power. They are licensed to operate through 2033 and 2034.
The plant is owned by Northern States Power Company (NSP), today a subsidiary of Xcel Energy, and is operated by Xcel Energy and no longer operated by the Nuclear Management Company (NMC).
It is one of two active nuclear facilities in Minnesota and has proven to be the most controversial due to the storage of nuclear waste in large steel casks on-site, an area which is a floodplain of the Mississippi.
In April 2008, Xcel requested that the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC) renew the licenses of both reactors, extending them for an additional twenty years. The license renewals were approved in June 2011.[1][2]
The company has also requested the use of a similar storage system at its Monticello plant, which is currently licensed through 2030.
In May 2006 repair workers at the plant were exposed to very low levels of radiation due to inhalation of radioactive iodine-131 (131I) gas. The gas leaked from the steam generators, which were opened for inspection. 131I gas is normally removed by means of a carbon-based filter; in this case the filter had developed a small leak. The NRC deemed this event to be of very low safety significance and notes that it did not result in any overdose.[3]
Contents [hide]
1 Surrounding population
2 Spent fuel storage
3 Seismic risk
4 See also
5 References
6 External links
[edit]Surrounding population

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission defines two emergency planning zones around nuclear power plants: a plume exposure pathway zone with a radius of 10 miles (16 km), concerned primarily with exposure to, and inhalation of, airborne radioactive contamination, and an ingestion pathway zone of about 50 miles (80 km), concerned primarily with ingestion of food and liquid contaminated by radioactivity.[4]
The 2010 U.S. population within 10 miles (16 km) of Prairie Island was 27,996, an increase of 4.6 percent in a decade, according to an analysis of U.S. Census data for msnbc.com. The 2010 U.S. population within 50 miles (80 km) was 2,945,237, an increase of 7.8 percent since 2000. Cities within 50 miles include Minneapolis (39 miles to city center) and St. Paul (32 miles to city center).[5]
[edit]Spent fuel storage

NSP had initially intended to send radioactive waste to a storage facility operated by the United States federal government, but no such site is yet open for use (the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste repository is under construction, but following heavy opposition is no longer considered an option by the Obama Administration). In 1991, the company requested permission from the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission to eventually store waste in 48 dry casks on the site. Opposition by environmentalists and the neighboring Prairie Island tribe led the Minnesota Legislature to decrease the number of allowed casks to 17, enough to keep the plant operating through approximately 2003.
Eventually, those casks filled, and Xcel Energy requested that the limit be expanded beyond 17 casks. The legislature granted the request, but required the company to make greater use of renewable energy such as wind power and to pay the local Indian community up to $2.25 million per year to help with evacuation improvements and the acquisition and development of new land and to help pay for a health study and emergency management activities.
[edit]Seismic risk

The Nuclear Regulatory Commission's estimate of the risk each year of an earthquake intense enough to cause core damage to the reactor at Prairie Island was 1 in 333,333, according to an NRC study published in August 2010.[6][7]
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[BestLion]

Pole Shift & Pole Reversal in 2012
Author: Patrick Geryl
http://survive2012.com/index.php/geryl-pole-shift.html
In 2012 the next polar reversal will take place on earth. This means that the North Pole will be changed into the South Pole. Scientifically this can only be explained by the fact that the earth will start rotating in the opposite direction, together with a huge disaster of unknown proportions.

The historical exploration of cosmology in previous books is founded on the translation of hieroglyphs, cracking of codes, unveiling of the magnetic reversal of the sun, study of old maps, decoding of astronomical clues, geological research, and the discovery of the most exciting archaeological find in modern times.
Considering these I came to the following conclusions:

1. With clock-like regularity, sudden reversals and pole shifts are natural to the Earth. The result is worldwide destruction, and is supported by paleo-magnetic evidence and early manuscripts.
2. The reversal of the poles is attributed to the harmonic cycle of the magnetic fields of the sun.
3. Polar reversals can be calculated precisely on the basis of the sunspot cycle theory or the magnetic field theory, which the Maya and the Old Egyptians were privy to. These secrets are contained in the Labyrinth of Hawara, a huge complex consisting of three thousand rooms.

I explained abundantly clearly that life after a polar reversal is nothing but horror, pure unimaginable horror. All securities you presently have at hand, like - amongst others - food, transport, and medicines, will have disappeared in one big blow, dissolved into nothingness. As will our complete civilization. It cannot be more horrifying than this; worse than the worst nightmare. More destructive than a nuclear war in which the entire global arsenal of nuclear weapons has been deployed in one blow. Are you grasping the facts?

The earth will be subjected to total destruction. It will be many times worse than my description. Terrible hunger, cold and pain, and more will rule your daily life: without hope of a quick recovery, because all knowledge and resources will have been completely destroyed. That will be the reality of your daily life after the forthcoming polar reversal. And it is in this scenario you will have to try to survive.

From Graham Hancocks site Patrick says a few things, and what to expect when the storm hits>
This confronts us with the biggest challenge in human history: the survival of this imminent cataclysm. This gigantic geological disaster will destroy our civilization thoroughly and completely. There is no doubt about that. You can either react with disbelief or with panic, or denial. Or you can roll up your sleeves and make the necessary preparations in order to survive this. And I mean completely roll up the sleeves, because, to put it plainly, what lies ahead of us is very bad. Not to say completely hopeless. I already suffered terrible nightmares, but these will not stop the cataclysm. Three days after the sun's pole reversal in 2012, we will see and be in the following situation:

The polar reversal of the magnetic field of the sun will send a huge cloud of electromagnetic particles into space. As a result all satellites around the earth will be completely destroyed. Immediately hereafter, the poles will crash and the magnetic field of the earth will be supercharged within a short period of time. In an instant, all electronic equipment will be destroyed through an internal short circuit, as a result of the electromagnetic pulse. Through this, 99.9999999999999 percent of our knowledge will be lost within just a couple of hours. Result: our computer-dependent civilization will be wiped away completely.
Huge earthquakes and volcanic outbursts destroy all buildings and installations, leaving them in ruins. Nothing will be left of high-rise blocks and everything else will be leveled. Completely leveled. The following earth crust shift and tidal wave will make the knowledge buried in the ruins, amongst which especially will be books, useless forever.
Almost all regions will have a climate change. All of a sudden Europe and the United States of America will be thrust into a new ice age, in which life is barely possible. As we do not know how big the earth crust shift will be and which parts will be shifted, we also do not know where to restart a civilization. Possible places could be India, South America, Africa and the high mountains of Thailand. Later I will go deeper into that.
Because of the tidal wave and the huge storms that torment the earth's surface, all food supplies will be destroyed. All trees will be uprooted; all growing fields will be lost or drenched with salty and contaminated water. It can take years before sufficient food will be able to be grown again to feed the survivors.
All the drilling installations in the world's oil fields will be torn apart. The wells will either leak into the surrounding areas, or the earthquakes will cover the holes. It is certain that it will be impossible to revive the installation works. They will be lost forever.

All energy supplies will be destroyed. Tanks with petrol derivatives will be torn open and the freed substances will overflow into the environment worldwide. Huge oil slicks from destroyed oil tankers will contaminate the oceans. They will wash ashore in the tidal waves of up to two kilometers in height and will pollute all of the agricultural land.

The magnitude of this problem should really not be underestimated. For years and years the black residue, together with the freed gas oils, will severely contaminate the soil, and make it impossible to grow plants, vegetables and trees.

In order to get an idea of the damage we can expect, you should compare this with an oil spill. Usually this creates a slick of tens of thousands of tons of oil in the sea. This quantity is sufficient to pollute severely hundreds of kilometers of coastline. Masses of sea animal species as well as a huge number of birds die in a greasy goo. But everybody knows this scenario only too well. But do you realize that in 2012, almost all supplies will be released in one go? And what a catastrophe this will cause? Probably not. Some figures will put this in perspective. Every day about eighty million barrels of oil are being drilled up. This amount can cause thousands of big oil spills! If then you also know that the worldwide supplies are sufficient for about three months, you can immediately calculate that about a hundred thousand ecological super catastrophes will plague the earth! This is more than sufficient to contaminate hundreds of thousands of kilometers of coast. In other words, everywhere on this planet you will be confronted with mountains of grunge, a cluttered mess, covering most of the processing capacity of the earth. Besides an almost complete decimation caused by this disaster, the people and animals that are left will perish in this super contamination. I do not know a better reason for reducing these supplies to nil before the disaster takes place!
Harbors and ships will also be completely destroyed in the catastrophic events. The wide-scale transportation of goods with, for instance banana boats or container ships, will be totally impossible.
Cars and trucks will be compressed into tin by the forces of nature and the tidal wave. Some may be reconstructed, if this is done quickly, because the salty water causes rapid oxidation and corrosion. On top of this is the remaining problem of the complete destruction of all energy supplies. And the factories that manufacture car tires and other essential products will not exist anymore… So, therefore, any reconstructed vehicles will not last long.
Hospitals, dentist practices, and all other health services, will be reduced to ruins. Life-supporting knowledge of years of practice will be gone forever. Should you be hurt and even have a small injury, the result could be fatal.
During the earth's crust shift with its titanic quakes, the hundreds of nuclear plants on our planet will be destroyed. It is my biggest fear that the quantity of radioactivity, which will be catapulted into the atmosphere of our planet, will be sufficient to completely contaminate our living environment. Here we will be confronted with the same problem as with that of the oil supplies: gigantic pollution on a worldwide scale. Nobody can escape from this. We really have to take this into consideration. Because the further we stay away from the radioactive debris, for at least the first decades, the bigger our survival chances.
All life-threatening and toxic products from chemical factories will be dumped into our environment. At many places it will take thousands, and maybe even in some cases tens of thousands, of years before everything will be absorbed back into nature. For example, the products that get trapped under the poles can remain there untouched until the next pole shift. Within twelve thousand years they can re-appear. They form a serious danger for all future generations.
Electricity and telephone networks will be torn apart and completely useless. All electricity generating plants will be reduced to ruins. Even more serious will be the following: due to the generated induction currents together with the pole reversal, all electronic and electrical equipment's will be useless for ever!
Airplanes will have crashed already before the pole reversal takes place, caused by the electromagnetic storms coming from the sun. These storms damage the equipment and the airplanes will be uncontrollable.
http://www.grahamhancock.com/forum/GerylP1.php?p=5

[Tarka the Duck]

My oh my, BestLion! Such doom laden drivel...I am beginning to wonder why you are posting all this stuff...:p

To repeat:

Patrick Geryl's ideas are not scientific theories. He indulges in pseudo-science (specifically pseudo-astronomy and pseudo-archeology) and his conclusions are incorrect. We show that his claimed mechanism for physically flipping the earth's core is impossible, and that his claimed results (earthquakes, tsunamis, etc) are incorrect.

Regards
Kathie

[BestLion]

My oh my, BestLion! Such doom laden drivel...I am beginning to wonder why you are posting all this stuff
I post cause the thread is about him and his predictions, Im staying on topic, not that I agree with this...but some posters may be interested in what he has to say..on Hancocks site he explains more on the other pages I posted the link.

[Tarka the Duck]

But you must feel that there is something of substance in what he says, or you wouldn't go to the trouble of posting it. You wouldn't want to waste people's time like that, surely.

Do you therefore disagree with the many comments out there by 'real' scientists made about what they call his "pseudo-science"?

[BestLion]

But you must feel that there is something of substance in what he says, or you wouldn't go to the trouble of posting it. You wouldn't want to waste people's time like that, surely.

Do you therefore disagree with the many comments out there by 'real' scientists made about what they call his "pseudo-science"?
I've said I think he is overly radical..do i feel some substance to this? A little..esp the solar flares..which even on the scale of the 1859 flares could set off havoc. And if the flares as Patrick writes are 25X more powerful then god only knows then what will happen.
In the video on post #89 Gov of Minnesota..investigated this 2012 stuff..and found some shocking info..esp about the many bunkers built "some huge ones near the Denver Airport. btw something fascinating is that painting in the Denver Airport of all places like TPTB are trying to tell us something?? Why at that airport? And why there are their massive bunkers already made and more being made? And if all this 2012 was mumbo jumbo then way are the rich 'who always tend to be greedy' spending millions constructing bunkers or buying a seat in a bunker at the cost of million? That was a bit of a disturbing video. 95% of my thoughts say 2012 will be a non event..5% says something big could indeed happen. I do plan to gather a few things myself as a bug out kit just in case. My Ukrainian neighbors have a rot cellar that is 30 ft underground. And packed with jarred foods..they are also taking precautions and have invited me there if the lights go out. Anyway i'll be on the look out..and if I see strange lights, and unusual activities i'll be running to that bunker...I have a telescope and plan to be watching for unusual actives also around these December days. Overall though I do think it will be a non event..or if is a real event could be like 1859 solar storm..
BTW something that I am fearful of is 70 KM from my home is Europe largest nuke power plant Enagadar... it is located on the Dniper River...If Patricks predictions come true that thing has 6 reactors... dear god I'll be in a world of trouble!

[gooty64]

Pole shift is spoken of by Dunvalo Melchizedek, Keisha Crowther, Don Alejandro and many other sources.

Here is a short 3 minute segment beginning @ 6:10 of this video that explains "How to Survive a Pole Shift".

This could also apply to a solar flare-I think.

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[Godiam]

If the Earth was to flip, ie..... A Pole Shift......there wouldn't be any survival at all!
I believe that everything not attached to the Earth would simply float off into space, so to talk about how hard survival would be after a pole revesal is inane, as we would all be DEAD!!
There is not going to be a pole shift......end of story

HUGS.........Godiam

[gooty64]

Mr. Godiam, How do you know that the earth is done having having pole shifts?

Did the ET's tell you something that I don't know?

The earth has pole shifts every so often historically speaking.

Cuddles.........Gooty

[araucaria]

The difference between Y2K and 21.12.2012 is that the first scare was genuinely linked to a single point in time, when computers moved to 00.00.00. CMEs - if that is what we are worried about - may happen from time to time, but not at any foreseeable instant in the future.

Y2K was not (entirely) a hoax; it failed to materialize because the work was done and most people upgraded their systems in time. It looks like the same is happening this time too. Hooray: for once we are doing things right!

If the guy who comes to install your internet connection knows about the problem with CMEs in relation to new cables being laid, then that suggests two things: a) there is no great conspiracy of secrecy going on, and b) measures are being taken to withstand this problem whenever/if ever it occurs.

The Maya were definitely not tracking CMEs; if they were, then how come they had nothing to say (as far as I know) about the one in 1859? They seem to be about as unpredictable as earthquakes.

Thanks for this thread: it keeps a smile on my face :)

[BestLion]

If the Earth was to flip, ie..... A Pole Shift......there wouldn't be any survival at all!
I believe that everything not attached to the Earth would simply float off into space, so to talk about how hard survival would be after a pole revesal is inane, as we would all be DEAD!!
There is not going to be a pole shift......end of story

HUGS.........Godiam
How are you sure everything would float off into space? The earth even with a pole shift has gravity. it is just a reversal of the earths rotation..and this has happened before..and not only on earth but places like Venus. The main effect of that would be massive tidal activities.
I don't think we will witness a pole shift ..or may I say a reversal of the earths rotation.
Anyway all past catastrophic events on earth did not kill all things. Somehow tigers survived, humans survived, birds kept flying etc...Thus even worse case senerio in 2012 ..life will still survive.
I have been reading and I am surprised by the many groups who are getting together and preparing for this..Its quit surprising! I dont really plan to do anything myself, but add to my bug out kits "which everyone should have anyway'.
http://www.december212012.org/
I even now see threads on post 2012 and people ready to restart life..

[gripreaper]

So, where are the safest places on earth to survive a pole shift? How much time do I have left to get prepared and move?

[Godiam]

I guess it depends on how you define a pole shift!.... Are we talking about a physical flip of the Earths axis, where the land Downunder becomes the land Up Above? Or are we talking about a revesal of the magnetic poles, which is a different kettle of fish alltogether?
I would be the first to agree that the magnetic poles have changed position many times in the past, but the magnetic poles are in a constant state of change, and if I'm not mistaken, Magnetic North has had quite a significant move away from the North Axis in the past couple of decades, so much so, that some airports have had to change their settings!

I have been led to believe that the further away from the axis of spin the Magnetic poles are, the more awakened the inhabatents of that particular planet will be, this is why there is an awakening happening right now, and the reason the Mayan long count calender finishes in December this year!
This is because Magnetic North is slowly moving away from the northern axis, and Magnetics are somehow tied up with conciousness and has a connection to our DNA!

Of course I could be totally wrong, but this is what I believe, and I don't have any concrete proof of my beliefs except to say I feel it in my soul!

HUGS......Godiam

[BestLion]

So, where are the safest places on earth to survive a pole shift? How much time do I have left to get prepared and move?
If what Patrick says comes to pass..he IMHO should not even waste his time preparing ..if the 'event' dont get him..then he'll die of starvation a year or two after. Cause he claims all volcano world wide will erupt..if that happens it will trigger an ice age..and even in hot places it will be cold, and difficult to grow foods.

Are we talking about a physical flip of the Earths axis, where the land Downunder becomes the land Up Above?
I believe it something like a 'pole reversal" ie the earth doesn't 'flip' it just through magnetic reversals of it rotation.

Or are we talking about a revesal of the magnetic poles, which is a different kettle of fish alltogether?
He states and a few others of a possible reversal..ie north becomes south, east becomes west.

This is because Magnetic North is slowly moving away from the northern axis, and Magnetics are somehow tied up with conciousness and has a connection to our DNA!
I've heard this theory and some old folklore talks of a similar thing..esp old Nordic lore. The Nords believed they came from the North Pole. Even the Nazis thought this and this was the real reason behind the Nazi expeditions to the arctic 'not to find the center of the earth' but they were after the original homeland of the Aryans..also why they sent expeditions to Tibet.."7 years in Tibet was not about mountain climbing' that movie in fact was the search for the homeland of the Aryan race. The theory the Nazis had was Thule..the real home of the Aryans was at one time Antarctica. Antarctica is the SOUTH pole, but one time it is believed to had been the North . before the shifting of the poles. the Nazis also sent teams to South America 'most history is written by the victor' the reason behind this was the myths and legends of Aryans starting civilizations there. The Nazis were in search of the knowledge of the Aryans of old. All South American gods were of Aryan features, and the Nazis were convinced that they were the ones who started the great civilizations of the Incas in Peru, and Aztecs in Mexico and Mayans. The Mayan god Kukulkhan "who gave the Mayans the Calender" the MAYANS did not make that calendar they inherited it. Was said in lore to have come in boats, and he was red bearded. Same goes with all those gods of native tribes in Mexico-South America.

[Second Son]

I am not a huge fan of fear mongering, but we have allegorical evidence of a world wide cataclysm based on both written and oral tradition. Pretty much EVERY SINGLE ancient document and religious text bears this scenario out. Modern science tells us that we had a massive extinction level event just 10 thousand years ago.

Remember, some of the mechanics needed to achieve the aforementioned devastation are only improbable under the umbrella of conventional Einsteinian physics. Great minds like Nassim Haramein, Paul LaViolette, and James McCanny to name but a few, have shown us that we know far less about the fabric of our universe than we would like to think.

The mass of a CME would have to be unfathomably large to have a physical effect on the earth's core, but when we are talking about electromagnetics, things change drastically. It could be that when our solar system climbs above (or dips below) the galactic equator, all tauron effects reverse in their polarity, and hence reverse also in the direction of their spin. This would put the planet into a cataclysmic whiplash approximately every 25 thousand years.

Or not.

[truth4me]

I will live my life the best that I can. I no longer believe "in dates" that people put on these type things. Love and respect is what I give and in turn hope to receive from my fellow humans.
Fear mongering just don't get for me no longer.......

[kersley]

I will live my life the best that I can. I no longer believe "in dates" that people put on these type things. Love and respect is what I give and in turn hope to receive from my fellow humans.
Fear mongering just don't get for me no longer.......

I'm right with you on this.. Please watch this video if you haven't already.. She breaks it down just perfect..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv83H4evKiM&feature=related

[BestLion]

It could be that when our solar system climbs above (or dips below) the galactic equator, all tauron effects reverse in their polarity, and hence reverse also in the direction of their spin. This would put the planet into a cataclysmic whiplash approximately every 25 thousand years.
Plato writes that Atlantis was destroyed in a single day and night around 9,600 BC. So on the 25,000 year scale we'd only really be at the halfway mark now. Atlantis somehow suffered from both ' volcano's, and water"..possible the volcanoes alone could have sunk the Island..Volcanoes have been well documented to have created island in days..only to sink them shortly thereafter. But on my study of Atlantis..it doesn't appear to have been a worldwide cataclysm but more of a local event.

I'm right with you on this.. Please watch this video if you haven't already.. She breaks it down just perfect..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv83H...eature=related
Some writers have talked that the Atlantians were the ones who build the great wonders of the world like Giza and the Cholula Pyramid, they did this because they at ones were using their entire brain capacity "as like the video says man now only uses 1/3rd of that. It is stated that the magnetic of the earth were in a sort of harmony with the brain of the Atlantians. Then a pole shift not only could have destroyed Atlantis but also could have knocked out the mind from this harmony it once had. If this is indeed the case it will be 2 fold. One would be a shift on earth creating the earth and the center to somehow align..thus possible creating a new balance of harmony with the earth-the center of the earth. The shifting of the earth..could possible make our minds more in-tune..but would also on the other not through a pole shift create some destruction on earth.

[NeverMind]

It is stated that the magnetic of the earth were in a sort of harmony with the brain of the Atlantians. Then a pole shift not only could have destroyed Atlantis but also could have knocked out the mind from this harmony it once had. If this is indeed the case it will be 2 fold. One would be a shift on earth creating the earth and the center to somehow align..thus possible creating a new balance of harmony with the earth-the center of the earth. The shifting of the earth..could possible make our minds more in-tune

This is interesting.
Obviously I could not say whether it's true or not, but it is an interesting thought.

[BestLion]

This is interesting.
Obviously I could not say whether it's true or not, but it is an interesting thought.
This is a theory. One thing is clear whoever had the mental ability to build these ancient megalithic monuments were using much more brain capacity the current man. Robert Buvaul thinks Giza was build 10,500 BC. If so this would have likely been assisted or maybe built by those of Atlantis. A race of people using much more of their brain capacity then we likely do now.
What she is saying in the video 'post #106' it talking of a new pole shift creating a new balance..or possible restoring the old balance. this is where many take 2012 as a shift on consciences. Happen via a shift on the earth..and a alignment of some sort..of earths magnetics to the cosmos..creating in the mind of man a unlocking of the old mind.

[NeverMind]

This is interesting.
Obviously I could not say whether it's true or not, but it is an interesting thought.
This is a theory. One thing is clear whoever had the mental ability to build these ancient megalithic monuments were using much more brain capacity the current man.

Personally I think it's not so much about increasing the capacity of the brain (which, I think, is only a processor, albeit not necessarily the only one) but rather about having the existing pathways - the "infrastructure" that is the brain - cleared for better access to the input of the wider Mind (which, unlike the brain, is non-local, or so it would appear). It is in the Mind, I believe - not in the brain - that knowledge is located.

Now, it is well known, from a number of experiments, that magnetic forces can produce observable effects on the brain - for instance, they can induce the feeling of a presence. Which makes this theory - that a shift in magnetic charge, for example, could affect the usage of one's mind - quite plausible, in my opinion. Certainly I would not call it too far-fetched.

[gooty64]

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I will live my life the best that I can. I no longer believe "in dates" that people put on these type things. Love and respect is what I give and in turn hope to receive from my fellow humans.
Fear mongering just don't get for me no longer.......

I'm right with you on this.. Please watch this video if you haven't already.. She breaks it down just perfect..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv83H4evKiM&feature=related

[BestLion]

Gooty, something interesting in this video is it was made in 2010, and We got last week that Japanese nobility talking just like she says of 3 days darkness.
BTW this women Shaman Little Grandmother Kiesha Crowther talks that we will witness a pole shift. i then googled her and found some info about all this from her side.
This site claims she is a fraud.By Dr. Al Carroll
Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.
http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2011/01/kiesha-crowther-exposed-as-fraud.html
NOW this could just be some people trying to debunk her..We also have negatives about good people like David Icke.
Here on a 2012 forum they discuss her>
http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114

[parcival]

bestlion,

wasn't it you who stated that "Sioux" means Snakes?

This "grandmother" is part of the "Pacification Programming" 101.

[gooty64]

Bestlion, I have followed Keisha Crowther's story but, I did not read her book that came out a few months ago.

The main complaint about Keisha seems to be a misunderstanding and stepping over of boundaries with the native Americans. Someone erroneously anointed her shaman of the soiux and shalis tribes and that created a whole uproar. I could go on but..............I think she has a valuable message to share from the "higher ups".

Come to think of it now, why can't all of these "secret" channelers log onto skype and talk to us-channel to us?
Check out Keisha Crowther-littlegrandmother in this 10 minute segment of a 72 minute skype Q/A talk she made in 2010.
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Gooty, something interesting in this video is it was made in 2010, and We got last week that Japanese nobility talking just like she says of 3 days darkness.
BTW this women Shaman Little Grandmother Kiesha Crowther talks that we will witness a pole shift. i then googled her and found some info about all this from her side.
This site claims she is a fraud.By Dr. Al Carroll
Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.
http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2011/01/kiesha-crowther-exposed-as-fraud.html
NOW this could just be some people trying to debunk her..We also have negatives about good people like David Icke.
Here on a 2012 forum they discuss her>
http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114

[BestLion]

bestlion,

wasn't it you who stated that "Sioux" means Snakes?

This "grandmother" is part of the "Pacification Programming" 101.
I never said I agreed with her. I am extremely skeptical on physics. I feel their a few true ones, but most are hoaxers.
Yes Sioux means snake..it is a native American tribe that developed around the serpent. I only posted what she says for maybe a few others who are interested, cause what she says sort of goes hand to hand with what Patrick is trumpeting.
Gooty64- I just listened to the video you posted about her.. What she says doesn't coensided with her doom 2012. IMHO I think she is delusional. I'd love to be in a dark room with 10 other people and have her pine point me. 20 bucks says she can't.
I'd didnt know she was talking to animals and all this stuff..Wow...I think she may need to lay off the wacky weed!
I did a google she makes quit alot of $$$$ via her 'supposed' physic abilities.
As i said I only posted her here cause of her and patrick saying the same stuff..take her as one wishes..Me I don't buy into her.

[NeverMind]

Gooty, something interesting in this video is it was made in 2010, and We got last week that Japanese nobility talking just like she says of 3 days darkness.
BTW this women Shaman Little Grandmother Kiesha Crowther talks that we will witness a pole shift. i then googled her and found some info about all this from her side.
This site claims she is a fraud.By Dr. Al Carroll
Kiesha Crowther AKA “Little Grandmother” has garnered a lot of attention, over a thousand followers, perhaps millions in cash, and even more controversy in less than two years. Falsely claiming to be the “shaman” for the “Sioux Salish tribe,” Crowther has gathered an all white, mostly European “Tribe of Many Colors” around her with bizarre claims. Native activists and former followers have vowed to oppose her and expose her.
http://newspaperrock.bluecorncomics.com/2011/01/kiesha-crowther-exposed-as-fraud.html
NOW this could just be some people trying to debunk her..We also have negatives about good people like David Icke.
Here on a 2012 forum they discuss her>
http://2012forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=21114


Oh, there was a discussion about her right here, on this forum, a year ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?8937-New-age-deceivers..Keisha-Crowther

[gooty64]

Nevermind, That is a very weak thread from 2010 that you have shared. Where in Crowther's message does she mention ET as savior. Moving on...


Oh, there was a discussion about her right here, on this forum, a year ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eisha-Crowther

[NeverMind]

Nevermind, That is a very weak thread from 2010 that you have shared. Where in Crowther's message does she mention ET as savior. Moving on...


Oh, there was a discussion about her right here, on this forum, a year ago:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...eisha-Crowther


Oh, I have no opinion on this person - I only heard about her, vaguely - so I did not really take the time to go through the thread.
I simply remembered that I had seen her name somewhere on this forum, in some thread, so...
Sorry. :)

[Watching from Cyprus]

Me too Modwiz.. at least it will be a swift departure if this is the true picture of what is coming ;-)

[Seikou-Kishi]

NASA WARNS COMING DISASTER
More less talk about solar activity. Scientist say if a mass solar flare hits could knock us 100 years back in the past>
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"How worried should we be?"

I stopped watching pretty much at that moment. They can't relay a single bit of 'news' without going "zomg, running for the hills... grab your cushion and hide behind the sofa!"

[BestLion]

"How worried should we be?"
Well I have read many books about the ancients..esp about Atlantis, and how Atlantis was sunk. And many of those scholars who wrote those says 2012 is a nonevent.
Solar flares, are real and do hit every so often, and have inflicted damage but I dont see Patricks "Gigantic flare' theory holding up.

[Calz]

I just pooped my pants. :pound:
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Better here than at the Village. Hey, maybe we just found the place where to build our outhouse.

I vote (poll anyone???) we prove once and for all you can, indeed, teach an old wizard new tricks ... :smokin:


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[Wind]

About Atlantis... I'm sure most of us here on Avalon once lived there. Or at least I just "know" that I did.

There probably has been many discussions about Atlantis, but this article is probably by far the best regarding Atlantis that I have ever seen:
http://www.absoluteempowerment.com/Atlantis.Legend.php

Atlantis was once a paradise, known as the Garden of Eden. It was destroyed by man's ego. We fell from the heavens to hell, but one day not in the too distant future we will be able to return to that innocence. It has been the Creators plan all along. We haven't just realized it before. Everything happens for a reason. It has been eons since we saw paradise here on Earth. There is light on the end of the tunnel.

[BestLion]

Well did you know that Patrick Geryl is the first one to discover that the universe is expanding AND accelerating, in 1980? everybody was laughing at him and scientific confirm that in 1988.
What did you discover in the universe? and he is not making any money from 2012! Instead he already lost some money to help start survival projects but people took advantage of his goodness!
He is honest and a good man. Ok, he can put things somewhat dramatic sometimes but he is right about the coming changes.




I will live my life the best that I can. I no longer believe "in dates" that people put on these type things. Love and respect is what I give and in turn hope to receive from my fellow humans.
Fear mongering just don't get for me no longer.......

I'm right with you on this.. Please watch this video if you haven't already.. She breaks it down just perfect..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv83H4evKiM&feature=related