NWO DOOMED! ETs/ EDs DECLARE WAR ON THE NWO/ ETs/EDs

[Eric J (Viking)]

NWO DOOMED! ETs/ EDs DECLARE WAR ON THE NWO/ ETs/EDs’

Predictions Proven Correct! Bodies Are Dropping!

New World Order types, beware! You are squarely in the sights of an ever growing, single minded force of ETs/EDs (extraterrestrials/extradimensionals) determined to liberate Earth and her people from your terrible thrall. What has happened so far to the NWO game plan is as nothing when compared to what’s to come for the NWO.

Your latest NWO attempt to start a war in the Middle East died stillborn, as did your long effort to

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Such diverse groups as the ACLU (American Civil Liberties Union), military veterans, the Electronic Freedom Foundation (EFF), the much vilified militias and even church groups are fully aware of the NWO and its horrendous plans. Americans may be slow to wake up, but once they are, they are a terrible foe once awake and aroused. Just ask the Japanese! NWO devotees, prepare to reap the whirlwind!

http://johnkettler.com/nwo-doomed.html/

http://www.fourwinds10.net/resources/uploads/images/Hangmans_Noose1-217x300.jpg

ETs/EDs’ Predictions Come To Pass!

By John Kettler

ETs/EDs’ (extraterrestrials/extradimensionals) warnings made earlier here have been proven fatally correct. Ultra reliable information indicates some five plus CIA officials, ranking as high as the Deputy Director level, have apparently committed suicide en bloc

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The ETs/EDs are determined to extirpate the NWO (New World Order), but will ensure the innocent are not harmed. In parallel/after those disappearances will be spectacles no government can explain. Using the general form here is deliberate. Russia, China, the United Kingdom, Israel and other countries are already suffering/will suffer the same fate. The ETs/EDs have declared war on the NWO, and the ETs/EDs’ actions so far mere pinpricks! Critical targets and nodes will be hit first, but the entire NWO will be savaged–until it is no more and Earth and her people are free.

http://johnkettler.com/etseds-predictions-correct.html/

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viking

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[Mod-edit: I trimmed the above two fully quoted articles down to excerpts, in accordance with forum guidelines and copyright law. -- Paul.]

[Lost Soul]

Sounds nice, but isn't there a rule against interference? Violating that rule invites karmic consequences whereby they may outside intervention imposed against themselves.

[surreal]

It's surprising to me how these "ET/ED" beings exhibit human, even animal behaviour traits of my home planet (I'm talking about earth).
This notion of: "Don't mess them/us about or we'll kick your ass" is an animal/survivalist trait.... unless these reactive, animal, earthly behaviours are common traits found throughout this universe. Please enlighten me.

So what if these ET/ED kick the NWO asses? It only means that they are then the new victor and we submit to a different "master".

My sincere apologies if I'm sounding antagonistic. It's not my intention. It was just that I was born and raised in a christian cult, and even though I left this church over 17 years ago, I'm seeing the exact same patterns in the new age/spiritual society... the need of the "human race" of a powerful being or race of powerful beings to save (or take control of) the human race from another powerful being or race of powerful beings whilst the human is in a permanent state of adoration of whichever side won.

It's like a bleeding table tennis match!

Are we so weak and pathetic that we can't even clean our own noses? The human population may walk around aimlessly loving, caring, hating, killing.... not realising or understanding how infinitely more poweful we already are.... but we're getting there!

I don't mind receiving guidance, I absolutely welcome it. Whether from earth or anywhere else in the omniverse... just don't sweep us under the carpet as though we're nothing more than exhibits in a zoo/museum... curious and interesting to look and point at and use, but not much else.

I've stopped my rant.

Wow! a lot of pent up animosity here. Sorry! :o

Surreal

[Seikou-Kishi]

I've always thought the motto should be "Noster Ordo ab Nostro Chao" ("Our Order from Our Chaos").

[Seikou-Kishi]

Oh my ****ing god!

Not only does it blow smoke up the American arse as though that were an ego that needed more stroking, it goes on with cavalier disregard to say "Just ask the Japanese". Oh, I didn't realise a war atrocity like dropping two nuclear bombs on unarmed and utterly defenceless civilians/non-combatants was something to be proud of!

Utterly disgusting!

The rest, though a bit childish, I liked. We could do with more visualising their downfall, but that is not the way to do it! How blasé a way to talk about the dropping of atomic bombs. Saddening and maddening in equal measure.

[Bryn ap Gwilym]

Could this be yet another case of the aliens [sic] getting the pat on the back for the hard work that men & woman are actually doing?
There are a lot of human groups/organisations that are ones that are bringing down the corrupt by Infiltration & by the direct approach. It is these humans through their hard work & perseverance that are altering the status Quo. Just because every Tom, Dick or Harri has no idea who these groups/organisations are doesn't necessarily mean that outside forces are the ones fighting in our corner.

[GlassSteagallfan]

"In turn, the disappearances the ETs/EDs promised, if not already begun, come next. And they will not be subtle, either. People will simply vanish on the spot. The people who do not read this blog may get excited, mistakenly believing the Rapture is happening."

How do we distinguish among 'the disappearances the ETs/EDs promised', the real rapture and Obama enforcing the NDAA law of disappearing people secretly? Could this article be a cover for Obama's future executions?

[joedjemal]

Hype, hype, buy my book, more hype.

Where are the facts?

[Phoenix1304]

Yeah! Love it! Although I have to agree with Seikou about the Japanese comments, outrageous, bravado and posturing aren't really much use at any time are they? Patriotism has always seemed to me a bit of a redneck's pursuit. We do need to rise above all of that really and become the human family.

What do you think of it Viking? He certainly blows his own trumpet regarding his enormous significance to the security agencies. It's a wonder he's still kicking. Kettler Alert higher than Defcon? Where does he get his info regarding ets/eds and their activities? I understand whistleblowers in the Disclosure Project saying they have evidence that nukes have been neutralised by UFOs and sightings are on the increase, just saw a vid today about the latest Chinese airport shutdown due to UFO activity, and this is not the first time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JylACerItak&feature=share

I'm sure many ETs are taking a keen interest in us this year, in particular, and I'd like to think ETs would step in to prevent nuclear exchange, but there's already been an awful lot of nukes that they didn't stop. I'd like to believe him, I really would and it's good to envisage this collapse of the NWO, he seems very well informed and I'd be glad to keep reading for the moment, but the main question is where is he getting his information and how solid is it?

[gooty64]

Oh Rats! Does this mean Hilary won't get her turn to be President!

[etm567]

If you are familiar with the "ascension" material -- and not the "ascension religion" material -- then, even though this is kind of tacky, done from a very human, very dualistic point of view, it all kind of makes sense.

The good ET's have said all along, in the materials they have provided to us, that this is a free will universe, and that they could not intervene. At least, not until a certain number of us asked for it. And they've also said that the world is going to ascend at the end of this year sometime (if there is a firm date, I am not entirely sure), and that before then certain changes must take place on Planet Earth, relating to getting rid of the bad guys, or removing them from power, releasing free energy technologies, cleaning the planet up, sharing the wealth -- all good things, I think most of us would agree.

But they've been bound by what they tell us is universal law not to intervene, up to a certain point. And they say they have been working with some forces on Earth, and they have been expecting the big Disclosure, that hasn't happened. And when it doesn't happen, they say, well, we were depending on our allies on Earth, and they backed out. We can't force them. We would like them to keep their word. But be assured, at some point in the future, a date will be passed where we must take action with or without their cooperation. Or words to that effect.

So maybe we've finally passed that date? If any of what this fellow is writing is true, that is.

These sources have also said that there were certain highly evolved souls who agreed to incarnate on Earth at this time as part of the dark -- which is fulfilling an important role in the Law of One, to be on the side of the dark -- and then they would capitulate, turn to the light, at the appropriate time. But, they say, these evolved souls working for the dark fell in love with the power and the physicality, and didn't do what they said they would do, turn to the light.

So, if there is any truth to this ascension stuff, we are down to the space of one year for a great deal of changes to take place. And maybe we have finally reached the "divine deadline" where they may intervene in our affairs by taking out the bad guys -- something many of us have been begging for for many years.

Of course, this is all just a possibility. Personally, I have decided that, for myself, this ascension stuff makes sense. Evil has managed to prevail on this planet for eons, but eons do not necessarily mean forever. And we may, indeed, be the lucky ones who get to be here when evil is, finally, brought down.

I was just re-reading some of the introduction to the Law of One, and in it the writer quotes Hatonn, who had spoken to their group in previous channelings for many years. And according to this Hatonn -- not to be confused with the one in the Phoenix newsletters, that Georgos Ceres Hatonn, or whatever his name was -- part of our evolutionary process is to be forced to choose which information to take on as true. He explains that they cannot provide tangible proof to us of what they say, because the test of discerning for ourselves what is the truth is an important and necessary part of our evolutionary process.

So, we get to choose what to believe. Each of us, individually, gets to choose what to believe.

If anyone is interested in the Hatonn quotes, I can provide them. I missed them the first time I read those books, and they are really very apt today, in light of what is going on, both in the world around us and on this board.

ETM

[S-L]

If this is true - a more interesting question to ask is: Why would the ETs/EDs/etc do this? The universe is not one grand spiritual playground where divinely led enlightened beings travel from planet to planet doing good deeds. The entities that are here now are political and economic actors just like us. They do things because it is in their interest to do things. Yes, if this report is accurate, it is indeed wonderful to have the powers that be gradually become the powers that were. But...

Who wants to replace them?

[shadowstalker]

Sounds nice, but isn't there a rule against interference? Violating that rule invites karmic consequences whereby they may outside intervention imposed against themselves.
What most seem to forget is that NOT ALL E.T's OR ED's are under those restrictions, we only ASSUME all are under those restrictions.

[passiglight]

Nice to see the big ego's sitting back on this one,shows the real depth of their knowledge...........


Suits were aware of the galactics years ago,,,,,,,,,,,,,

spooks are almost born knowing the G man and his crew,,,,,,,,,,

Very interesting post from Mr Viking though,,very stimulating stuff,,

many thanks

[etm567]

If this is true - a more interesting question to ask is: Why would the ETs/EDs/etc do this? The universe is not one grand spiritual playground where divinely led enlightened beings travel from planet to planet doing good deeds.

Hmm, maybe it is?

Are you familiar with the notion of ascension, or as the Law of One calls it, harvest? And the true history of Earth, of which we have been deprived? And which I, for one, have not been able to ferret out with any certainty, other than it ain't what they've been telling us.

At the risk of becoming the butt of many jokes, I will provide a very short summary of what I remember from the Law of One[/I] books. If you don't want to read it, please just skip it. But if you are curious, then here it is. And there is much, much more if you find yourself more curious. And if you are already familiar with it, I apologize.

According to this ascension stuff, galaxies move through different areas of space at different times, in cycles. And these cycles culminate in periods of great change, when there is a possibility of the planet, together with the beings who live on it, to ascend into a higher dimension or level of reality or density or whatever you would like to call it, on its evolutionary journey. And, according to Ra and the [I]Law of One, which was channeled decades ago to a guy who was a physicist, I think, as well as an airline pilot and a couple of his friends, we Earthlings have failed in the past two times to make this leap. And the third time is the charm, and Gaia, herself a conscious being, has decided she is going this time around, with or without us.

All this has prompted many thousands of viewers from elsewhere in space, who are here to watch, and perhaps to help us on our way, to offer guidance and information to those who are genuinely seeking it -- all in the interests of increasing the "harvest" and thus providing service to others.

And of course the story goes that at some point in our past we were much higher on the evolutionary scale, and we "fell" into third density -- fell or were pushed or tripped, I do not know. And we have been under the control of these bad guys for eons, and they don't want us to go.... without them.

It gets really very much more complicated, and I have seen it misrepresented and simplified here on PA, and of course made fun of. It's so easy to make fun of things, isn't it? A child can do that. A very little child can do that.

Anyway, apparently one can progress in evolution on either path, service to others, or service to self, but the requirements are a little bit different. To move on in service to others, one must be more than 50% service to others, and that would mean being motivated to be of help to others more than half of -- your motivations? But on the other side, one must be much more purely evil: one must be at least 90% service to self to evolve further on that path. What that means -- and this has been the subject of a bit of hilarity here on Avalon -- that those who are between 50% service to others and 90% service to self continue on in third density, until they consciously choose and commit to one path or the other, enough to meet one of those percentages.

And then there is this long journey of evolving back to unity with Source, when all of us realize we are all indeed one with the Creator. And on the way, we separate into those two paths: service-to-other folks and service-to-self. But all the while, even the service-to-self folks are serving the purposes of the Creator, because the bottom line of the Law of One is that we are all one, that we are truly each other -- so that by serving others, or by serving oneself, you are serving yourself -- in the bigger picture.

At some point, further on, say 7th or 8th density, I do not recall, the service-to-self folks come to their senses and return to the path of the light and unity. Only it probably isn't like that at all. It probably just becomes obvious that it is all the same thing anyway, and the two paths merge into one.

For eons and eons, according to the Ra materials, we have been visited, and controlled, by service-to-self folks from Orion, and also by many others of the opposite persuasion, who have at times interfered with the best of intentions, but usually to our detriment, as whatever useful information and spiritual guidance they have shared with us has been taken over and appropriated by a priesthood who has kept it from us, and thus kept themselves in power.

Over the last approximately 75,000 years, the cycle has completed twice, and we have failed to ascend, resulting in catastrophes that have wiped the Earth pretty clean. This is the third turn of the cycle, and this one is the big one -- we have no choice. The planet will ascend into a higher density, and we can choose to go with it, or not. If we do, we will be with the Earth as she enters into the golden age that has been predicted in ancient texts all over the world, all those many years ago.

One thing it is important to remember when reading this stuff -- as far as more highly evolved beings are, we are spirits basically trapped in our heavy, confining third density bodies. Things are so tough here, in this density, that it is a great place to work off karma, because experience here is so much more intense. So, when the harvest does come around, those who choose not to ascend are taken off, through death, I guess, and their spirits are tended to, with love, in an appropriate place, until they incarnate, either back on Earth as in previous cycles, or elsewhere in this coming one -- some other appropriate third density planet, like Earth. Each of us has a choice, to stay in third density or to move with the planet into fourth, for a brief period, I think, and on into fifth.

This ascension process is the subject of David Wilcock's Convergence series of books. It pulls together science from all around the world, much of it unfamiliar to most of us, and ancient historical information and various theories to support the possibility that ascension is a real event. You can't judge those books without reading them. And you can't read a blurb and tell what is in them. Nor can you read this and get what is in the Law of One.

Of course, we all have choices, and we all get to choose what we read. But to make fun of something you haven't actually read doesn't really add anything to the discussion. If you feel you must make fun of me for bothering to post this, go ahead. But there may be someone reading this who isn't familiar with the Law of One who might find it interesting and even compelling, as I did personally.

Here is a link to PDFs of the books, free ones: http://www.llresearch.org/library/the_law_of_one_pdf/the_law_of_one_pdf.aspx

Here is a link to a searchable database: http://www.lawofone.info/

And here is a link to a study guide: http://www.spiritofra.com/Ra-section%201.htm

But if you don't like reading the white on black, you can view it also on D. Wilcock's site at http://divinecosmos.com/start-here/books-free-online/23-the-law-of-one-study-guide. But of course reading on that site would put you at risk of appearing to belong to a cult. :lol:

It's all up to you.

ETM

[S-L]

The good ET's have said all along, in the materials they have provided to us, that this is a free will universe, and that they could not intervene. At least, not until a certain number of us asked for it.

Dangerous thinking... it's a free will universe - yes - but it's also nature. Competition for resources. If it is my free will to take what you have, and your free will to keep it - who wins out? Probably the person that doesn't assume it's a free will universe and everything will be okay. The universe is nature on a larger scale. We need to be smart, aware, and very alert. The gazelle doesn't think it's a free will universe and, therefore, will not be devoured today. The gazelle is ever alert for danger, and mistrusting of things that look like cheetahs. The aliens look like cheetahs to me.

Of course, if you're very sure about that channeled material... I invite you to have a drink by the water hole. No need to keep your head up - it's a free will universe, nothing can go wrong unless you will it...

[gripreaper]

Looks like we only have till March to wait for a captivating event that will change consciousness forever, according to Cliff High.

Complexity Shock: Cresting with the Wave

The shift into release language in March is unlike our previously discerned 'tipping point' of 9/11/2001. In that instance the data forecast a planetary change that would alter life thereafter, but there were no signs of any discontinuity. In the forecast of the 9/11/2001 incident there were accretion patterns that put us (planetary humanity) back into building tension language a mere 3 days after the [entrenched elite] had staged their attack on the [populace] of earth. In the case of the March 2012 shift into release language, there is not a 'return' to building tension language. From the accretion patterns, it does not look as though 'business as usual' persists past March 10th.

Within the Matterium, all is directed toward the production of ever increasing complexity. This conclusion can be logically derived from the understanding of the nature of the pulse/pause that is the core of the continual creation model. It started as one pulse racing across a self-defined, self-enclosing 'space', to bounce off it's self-created walls and return to collide with itself repetitiously, endlessly creating ever more complex patterns of collisions. Each pause wipes it all out that it may be recreated again so fast that you miss that part of reality entirely. With each recreation at the rate of 22 trillion times a second, the level of complexity compounds itself yet again. This is the nature of matterium, and thus provides, as Bucky would have it, 'the general case extractum' from which we form the 'knowledge' that 'universe (and all who sail in her) is striving for greater and greater complexity'. Here on earth (as Terrance McKenna sus'd out, 'humans are the pinnacle of the complexification process that is universe'.

We, those voyagers in the matterium, will soon reach a point where the universe propelled complexification becomes 'observable'. Note this word. Likely we will also have [visibility] of this within the msm (lying mainstream ****tards pretending to be journalists – Matt Taibi and his ilk excepted, with respect), but the aware observer will be swimming in the shockwave of the ever new now long before the msm can muster the coherent thoughts necessary to describe the contexts of the emerging reality around them.

It is our understanding that the 'complexification wave' will be observable in March of 2012 as we top the building tension language. Now, noting how universe manifests, it continually produces surprise. In fact, the expression of the complex of emotions that is 'surprise' is likely a very good indicator that the human has just encountered 'new complexity'. Having observed the 'surprise factor' component to how universe chooses to manifest, it is unlikely that we can, in any meaningful way, imagine the experience of cresting with the complexification wave.

http://halfpasthuman.com/cresting.html

Maybe Fulford's ninja's go in and take out all of the bankster cabal, the Dinar RV's, the global settlements go out, the world has a debt jubilee and 5th dimensional consciousness ascends onto everybody?

[EnergyGardener]

To the humble support of Viking, ETM567 and Shadowstalker's points:

Let's presume there are formal earth contracts and treaties with the relevant ETs / EDs, providing legal restrictions and penalties for interference for the self-determination of human development, experiment or otherwise:

Let's acknowledge the atrocities you have mentioned and not (chemtrails are going outside my window as I write), that certainly must violate all past and present treaties.

Wouldn't these horrific violations legally justify interference by benevolent and able ETs and EDs on Humanity's behalf? If this interference is claimed "for our benefit but that it got carried away," isn't it our job to recognize the absence for further need of that?

If we are in communication with relevant people of our dimension and beyond, shouldn't we utilize the opportunity to realize our intended destiny as needed, with or without the help of benevolent ETs / EDs?

Without purchasing your book, Viking, can you disclose the source/s of your information? Can you request from the same, copies or summaries of the active contracts/treaties? Can you thank them on our behalf for their constructive interference?

Viking, that information would be helpful as a reference for our first meeting with the relevant ETs / EDs. First on the agenda would be to provide formal eviction to our unwanted tenants. Second, perhaps, would be to establish the "New Rules" for dimensional growth, life and the destiny we envision for galactic life going forward. Third, as a subcategory of two would provide for the delivery, implementation and training for development of non-polluting technologies being utilized within and without Earth: We would agree to a reciprocal sharing of improvements to those technologies and their operations.

[gooty64]

Grip... could you translate what "release language" "tension language" "complexification wave" and "complexity shock" mean in laymans terms? PLEASE!

And if I had to pick just one I would definitely pick "complexification wave"! THANK YOU!

Or is this supposed to be so ridiculously complicated that a nice little sheeple like me could never comprehend one single word of it?

Thanks, Gooty


Looks like we only have till March to wait for a captivating event that will change consciousness forever, according to Cliff High.

Complexity Shock: Cresting with the Wave

The shift into release language in March is unlike our previously discerned 'tipping point' of 9/11/2001. In that instance the data forecast a planetary change that would alter life thereafter, but there were no signs of any discontinuity. In the forecast of the 9/11/2001 incident there were accretion patterns that put us (planetary humanity) back into building tension language a mere 3 days after the [entrenched elite] had staged their attack on the [populace] of earth. In the case of the March 2012 shift into release language, there is not a 'return' to building tension language. From the accretion patterns, it does not look as though 'business as usual' persists past March 10th.

Within the Matterium, all is directed toward the production of ever increasing complexity. This conclusion can be logically derived from the understanding of the nature of the pulse/pause that is the core of the continual creation model. It started as one pulse racing across a self-defined, self-enclosing 'space', to bounce off it's self-created walls and return to collide with itself repetitiously, endlessly creating ever more complex patterns of collisions. Each pause wipes it all out that it may be recreated again so fast that you miss that part of reality entirely. With each recreation at the rate of 22 trillion times a second, the level of complexity compounds itself yet again. This is the nature of matterium, and thus provides, as Bucky would have it, 'the general case extractum' from which we form the 'knowledge' that 'universe (and all who sail in her) is striving for greater and greater complexity'. Here on earth (as Terrance McKenna sus'd out, 'humans are the pinnacle of the complexification process that is universe'.

We, those voyagers in the matterium, will soon reach a point where the universe propelled complexification becomes 'observable'. Note this word. Likely we will also have [visibility] of this within the msm (lying mainstream ****tards pretending to be journalists – Matt Taibi and his ilk excepted, with respect), but the aware observer will be swimming in the shockwave of the ever new now long before the msm can muster the coherent thoughts necessary to describe the contexts of the emerging reality around them.

It is our understanding that the 'complexification wave' will be observable in March of 2012 as we top the building tension language. Now, noting how universe manifests, it continually produces surprise. In fact, the expression of the complex of emotions that is 'surprise' is likely a very good indicator that the human has just encountered 'new complexity'. Having observed the 'surprise factor' component to how universe chooses to manifest, it is unlikely that we can, in any meaningful way, imagine the experience of cresting with the complexification wave.

http://halfpasthuman.com/cresting.html

Maybe Fulford's ninja's go in and take out all of the bankster cabal, the Dinar RV's, the global settlements go out, the world has a debt jubilee and 5th dimensional consciousness ascends onto everybody?

[Chucky]

Not to mention that this is a pinnacle moment in earth history that is supposed to ulimately affect futures of all of us right up through their lives too. If it affects them then all bets off. They have a right to defend. Atleast they are more accurate at intel gathering first and assembling what is needed to protect those here that have a good heart and are ready to change for our own good. I'd say at a guess it will get nasty here openly very soon in order to stop these fools here.



Sounds nice, but isn't there a rule against interference? Violating that rule invites karmic consequences whereby they may outside intervention imposed against themselves.
What most seem to forget is that NOT ALL E.T's OR ED's are under those restrictions, we only ASSUME all are under those restrictions.

[gripreaper]

Grip... could you translate what "release language" "tension language" "complexification wave" and "complexity shock" mean in laymans terms? PLEASE!

Well, in the context of the wave patterns inherent in the matrix of energetic consciousness, within the paradigm of materialism, juxtaposed against the complexities of the linguistics of the inherent manifestations incongruous with the overt spiritual contextual basis for proselytizing scenarios using complex antigens outlying relative synergistic anomalies, one only needs to amplify the harmonic essences within each holonistic variable and transpose these against the possible outcomes which can be determined with absolute adjuncts as the basis for the abstracts that coalesce and form such patterns from which we can postulate certain inferences and make such juxtapositions.

I hope that clears it up for ya! LOL

[spiritguide]

In short the universe is unfolding as it should. All we need do is recognize it and ride the wave. Loosing EGO along the way.

:peace:

[EnergyGardener]

Chucky,

I always ponder the identity of "guests" (usually a majority to members), it is likely there are one or more intels in the crowd or their systems actively scanning.

Let's hope that Viking is right of what has been done already, and that positive interference is not only happening, but available (if we only ask). That not only makes sense to me, but seems necessary. I have never bought into that premise that we are unfairly trapped in this realm without any "special" means of escape.

Therefore, I welcome all good hope and its evidence.

In the meantime, we must strive toward group overpowerment with the self-enlightenment of the 3% for ourselves; or, muddle through with positive results on a smaller scale...

Looking forward to that, sooner rather than later...

[etm567]

The good ET's have said all along, in the materials they have provided to us, that this is a free will universe, and that they could not intervene. At least, not until a certain number of us asked for it.

Dangerous thinking... it's a free will universe - yes - but it's also nature. Competition for resources. If it is my free will to take what you have, and your free will to keep it - who wins out? Probably the person that doesn't assume it's a free will universe and everything will be okay. The universe is nature on a larger scale. We need to be smart, aware, and very alert. The gazelle doesn't think it's a free will universe and, therefore, will not be devoured today. The gazelle is ever alert for danger, and mistrusting of things that look like cheetahs. The aliens look like cheetahs to me.

Of course, if you're very sure about that channeled material... I invite you to have a drink by the water hole. No need to keep your head up - it's a free will universe, nothing can go wrong unless you will it...

I think your reply is disengenuous. I have spent many hours on this question. Hours? More like weeks or months, I guess.

If it is true that it is all just a contest of pure strength and power, then I think the bad guys will always win and you may fight all you want, you will go down in such a contest. At least, eventually you sill. But I do not believe that.

And as I pointed out above, there is the suggestion that what we choose to take away from all this channeled material in the final analysis says something about who we are. If what you take away from it is that your survival is the ultimate purpose of your existence, that's okay. But it's different from mine.

Obviously, survival is what our existence is about, on some level -- but I do not consider that level to be the end-point of our existence. I could be wrong. It is a gamble I am more than willing to take. Because if I am right, I stand to win a great deal. And what can you win? Nothing more than your continued existence as it is today. Do you believe this is all there is?

My daughter does, and she is the dearest thing in the world to me. But we disagree on this.

So, yes, we make our own choices.

[lelmaleh]

How come the bad ET's got to break the no contact law and the good ones respect it? Seems like a loaded dice. I heard governments made agreements etc. but that clearly breaks the law.

[DreamsInDigital]

How come the bad ET's got to break the no contact law and the good ones respect it? Seems like a loaded dice. I heard governments made agreements etc. but that clearly breaks the law.
Hmm, very much loaded question there. The Bad ET's weren't specifically "allowed" to break the laws of the universe, they just do. Partially why the are bad/negative/regressives. The government made the treaties not knowing entirely what they were getting into as they were impressioned that the Greys/Reptilians would honor the treaties, but broke them almost imediantly. The thing is the government even then and even now are far out gunned and they know it. So they also know there wasn't anything THEY could do about getting rid of them, and to admit to the public their mistakes and such. That would be utter chaos. No country likes to be betrayed by their government. The Good ET's have offered since the beginning to help remove the bad ET's but the Government has refused to abide by the requirements of the Good ET's for their help. Like permanently disarming all Nuclear Weapons, for the betterment of the whole global race. The governments throughout the world have been breaking all sorts of laws left and right since the near beginning. This is nothing new.

[modwiz]

The good ET's have said all along, in the materials they have provided to us, that this is a free will universe, and that they could not intervene. At least, not until a certain number of us asked for it.

Dangerous thinking... it's a free will universe - yes - but it's also nature. Competition for resources. If it is my free will to take what you have, and your free will to keep it - who wins out? Probably the person that doesn't assume it's a free will universe and everything will be okay. The universe is nature on a larger scale. We need to be smart, aware, and very alert. The gazelle doesn't think it's a free will universe and, therefore, will not be devoured today. The gazelle is ever alert for danger, and mistrusting of things that look like cheetahs. The aliens look like cheetahs to me.

Of course, if you're very sure about that channeled material... I invite you to have a drink by the water hole. No need to keep your head up - it's a free will universe, nothing can go wrong unless you will it...

I think your reply is disengenuous. I have spent many hours on this question. Hours? More like weeks or months, I guess.

If it is true that it is all just a contest of pure strength and power, then I think the bad guys will always win and you may fight all you want, you will go down in such a contest. At least, eventually you sill. But I do not believe that.

And as I pointed out above, there is the suggestion that what we choose to take away from all this channeled material in the final analysis says something about who we are. If what you take away from it is that your survival is the ultimate purpose of your existence, that's okay. But it's different from mine.

Obviously, survival is what our existence is about, on some level -- but I do not consider that level to be the end-point of our existence. I could be wrong. It is a gamble I am more than willing to take. Because if I am right, I stand to win a great deal. And what can you win? Nothing more than your continued existence as it is today. Do you believe this is all there is?

My daughter does, and she is the dearest thing in the world to me. But we disagree on this.

So, yes, we make our own choices.

No one will be mistaking S-L for one of the love and light crowd. :photo:

[Deviant]

New World Order types, beware! You are squarely in the sights of an ever growing, single minded force of ETs/EDs

Uhhm, I have a feeling the author didnt think this through. So the NWO of ETs has its sights on the NWO of Earth...haha.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Who wants to replace them?

I could think of quite a few people that I would rather have running our planet ... !

viking

[D-Day]

Some thoughts...

What if the intention of the "galactics" is not to free humanity from the PTB, but simply to "eliminate" them so that they may once again assume complete control over Earth, its resources and its inhabitants?

... to reclaim what they perceive as being "rightfully theirs".

As I understand it, Earth and its inhabitants have been plundered, exploited, controlled, manipulated, deceived and enslaved by various groups of ETs/EDs (and more recently PTB's) since the dawn of time.

What if the PTB were nothing more than human administrators/caretakers appointed by the galactics to oversee the running of "their planet" in their absence, while they were busy tending to other more pressing issues elsewhere in the galaxy?

What if the PTB's temporary secondment as "Administrators of Earth" has come to an end because the previous management team have returned from their extended leave of absence and decided they want to reestablish themselves as "Managers of Earth' once more?

What if we're about to exchange the current group of evil, sadistic dictators that we've endured on this planet for the past couple thousand years for another group that is even more sinister, more sadistic, more devious, and significantly more evil than the current group?

... a group whose methods of control and domination are so well-refined and subtle that their victims, for them most part, remain "blissfully" unaware the whole time they are being deceived, manipulated, entrapped and enslaved.

How many of you are willing to consider such a scenario as being a real possibility?

I'm not suggesting that the hypothetical situation I've presented above is fact or reality...

However, what I am suggesting is that it's a real possibility that people should not instantly dismiss because they desperately want the galactics to be the "good guys" who will save us all from ourselves and free us from the tyranny of the PTB.

I don't believe it is wise to put all your eggs in one basket and hope that the Galactic Federation, Ashtar Command, Sirian Council, Pleadian Council or whatever group you want to give your power away to... err sorry I mean affiliate yourself with... is benevolent simply because the messages you read from them (and by them) suggest that to be the case.

All I'm saying is this, don't allow yourself to get caught up in any drama, propaganda, manipulation or deception.

Be true to yourself, and don't give your power away to others... no matter what!

Always remember that members of your true galactic family would never shower you with love and light that didn't feel organic, or whisk you away to another planet on a starship to save you from yourself and your own destiny, or stick you in an ascension chamber as a means of helping you achieve full consciousness/enlightenment.

Always follow your heart, and you will easily be able to determine right from wrong, friend from foe, family from imposter.

If something seems too good to be true... it usually is!

[Seikou-Kishi]

If this is true - a more interesting question to ask is: Why would the ETs/EDs/etc do this? The universe is not one grand spiritual playground where divinely led enlightened beings travel from planet to planet doing good deeds. The entities that are here now are political and economic actors just like us. They do things because it is in their interest to do things. Yes, if this report is accurate, it is indeed wonderful to have the powers that be gradually become the powers that were. But...

Who wants to replace them?

I think if they managed to stop our 'civilisation' going further down the destructive route, it would be of benefit for countless worlds out there, especially those who, had somebody not intervened to help the good in us throw off the suffocating behaviour of the bad in us, might have been destroyed in our transgalatic crusade.

[meat suit]

The good ET's have said all along, in the materials they have provided to us, that this is a free will universe, and that they could not intervene. At least, not until a certain number of us asked for it.

Dangerous thinking... it's a free will universe - yes - but it's also nature. Competition for resources. If it is my free will to take what you have, and your free will to keep it - who wins out? Probably the person that doesn't assume it's a free will universe and everything will be okay. The universe is nature on a larger scale. We need to be smart, aware, and very alert. The gazelle doesn't think it's a free will universe and, therefore, will not be devoured today. The gazelle is ever alert for danger, and mistrusting of things that look like cheetahs. The aliens look like cheetahs to me.

Of course, if you're very sure about that channeled material... I invite you to have a drink by the water hole. No need to keep your head up - it's a free will universe, nothing can go wrong unless you will it...

since you make the 'african national park' comparison, go one step further and compare it properly: its only the poachers that try to nick the horns of the rhinos for crazy reasons, everybody else is trying their best to protect that special habitat with its 'wild live'. your cheetah is haliburton or goldman sachs and your gazelle is us.=terrestrials=
the ETs are protecting the park, and yes they may even at some point talk the crocs out of eating the wilderbeast , once enough wilderbeast have declared that they are ready for an evoluntionary shift....

[Lost Soul]

Oh my ****ing god!

Not only does it blow smoke up the American arse as though that were an ego that needed more stroking, it goes on with cavalier disregard to say "Just ask the Japanese". Oh, I didn't realise a war atrocity like dropping two nuclear bombs on unarmed and utterly defenceless civilians/non-combatants was something to be proud of!

Utterly disgusting!

The rest, though a bit childish, I liked. We could do with more visualising their downfall, but that is not the way to do it! How blasé a way to talk about the dropping of atomic bombs. Saddening and maddening in equal measure.

Would it have been better if the allies invaded mainland Japan? There would have been over 100,000 Allied casualties and over 1,000,000 Japanese fatalities. The Allies would have gassed the Japanese cities first just to destroy the civilian infrastructure that supported the IJ Army. That would have been done before the first soldier step foot on Japanese soil. Then the combat starts with artillery, bullets, mortars, flamethrowers, napalm. Japan would have been covered with bodies both Allied and Japanese.

Don't get me wrong. I wish the bomb weren't necessary. I wish there were no wars either. That said, it was better to lose two cities than over 1,000,000 who would have died had the Allies invaded.

How about a less violent op tion? I'll give you one. Another option would have been defoliation and ensuing starvation. Over 90% of the Japanese merchant fleet was sunk so no food could be imported from the mainland. Starvation would have killed millions and not just one million. Dropping the bomb was tragic but it prevented a greater tragedy for both Allies and the Japanese.

[Stuart M.]

ok Lost Soul you have my attention. I will not resort to the attack that part of me would like to engage in.
However, I will state that your line of reasoning may not come to mind if an a-bomb is ever dropped in your local.

Sincerely, Stuart

[Sierra]

How about a less violent option? I'll give you one. Another option would have been defoliation and ensuing starvation. Over 90% of the Japanese merchant fleet was sunk so no food could be imported from the mainland. Starvation would have killed millions and not just one million. Dropping the bomb was tragic but it prevented a greater tragedy for both Allies and the Japanese.

I think they were starving. After the surrender of Japan, my stepfather-in-law was stationed in Japan. He said that food was so tight, the American soldiers were being rationed. Enough so that a U.S. soldier in the food line, pulled out his pistol, and shot a cook/server who refused to put more food on his plate.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Sounds nice, but isn't there a rule against interference? Violating that rule invites karmic consequences whereby they may outside intervention imposed against themselves.
What most seem to forget is that NOT ALL E.T's OR ED's are under those restrictions, we only ASSUME all are under those restrictions.

Or they ARE under these restrictions and choose to not follow them in persuit of their own goals, just preaching for the parish.