How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members

[jackovesk]

04 January, 2012

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Debbie Cook accuses leaders of Church of Scientology of Corruption.

Hold on tight to your leather-bound edition of Dianetics and hope for the best. A rift between two top members of the Church of Scientology is causing the controversial religion to be bought to the brink of civil war.

Debbie Cook, a former top-dog among the bureaucracy within the Church of Scientology, started off her 2012 with an email blast to followers of the religion in which she blasts current leader David Miscavige on corruption.

According to Cook, who at one time was the top officer in the church’s Sea Org group, Miscavige is hoarding over $1 billion that he acquired through church fundraising.

Additionally, says Cook, the leader has blown millions on ridiculous facilities and the rest of the church must become aware of his misdoings.

“Only a tiny fraction has ever been spent… Only the interest earned from the holdings has been used very sparingly to fund projects through grants,” adds Cook.

Graeme Wilson, a spokesperson for the church, has fired back and tells the New York Times that Cook’s email reflects “a small, ignorant and unenlightened view of the world today” and are not representative of “the thousands of Scientologists who are overjoyed by our 27 new Churches and what they mean to the communities they serve.”

Cook, however, knows the ins and outs of the Scientology biz and is a force to be reckoned with within the church. From 1993 through 2008, she sat on the board of directors of the Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization, Inc. — a position that puts an awful mount of clout behind her recent words. Cook also served as “captain” of the Flag Organization from 1989 through 2006.

In an almost apocalyptical forewarning of what’s to come, Cook emailed a list of 12,000 scientologists on New Year’s Day cautioning them of the leader’s corrupt cash-grabbing, but stayed optimistic, saying, “We are a strong and powerful group and we can effect a change. We have weathered many storms. I am sorry that I am the one telling you, but a new storm is upon us.”

Cook says that she was drawn to the religion years ago thanks to the writings of founder and science fiction author L Ron Hubbard. That determination to keep his beliefs going is what motivated here to address the corruption coming from the church’s corporate headquarters.

“I dedicated my entire adult life to supporting L Ron Hubbard and the application of LRH technology,” Cook’s email reads, “And if I ever had to look LRH in the eye I wouldn’t be able to say I did everything I could to Keep Scientology Working if I didn’t do something about it now.

“We all have a stake in this. It is simply not possible to read the LRH references and not see the alterations and violations that are currently occurring,” warns Cook.

Miscavige has led the church since Hubbard passed away 26 years ago. According to Cook, the current leader has since dismantled the "complete and brilliant organizational structure” set in place by Hubbard.

http://rt.com/usa/news/civil-war-church-scientology-169/

PS - Would any of you trust these 2 Clowns..?

Tom Cruise saluting Scientology's 'leader' David Miscavige

http://www.lermanet.com/scientology/tom-cruise-david-miscavige.jpg

Assume the Position..!

Thank you sir, may I have another..!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm7D5VRfaTI

:pound:

[DreamsInDigital]

This is one House of Cards I hope burns to the ground soon. I remember living in Hollywood and having to walk past their "Churches" that were on both sides of Hollywood Blvd, and be harassed by their Zombie workers.

Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

[PathWalker]

One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.
So karma is paying its tribute here again.
I wonder if this is another Mossad or Zionist conpiracy again.

[gooty64]

Too bad they don't have nuclear weapons (figuratively speaking) and they could wipe each other out in their civil war.
OK back to my meditation, corner. lol


This is one House of Cards I hope burns to the ground soon. I remember living in Hollywood and having to walk past their "Churches" that were on both sides of Hollywood Blvd, and be harassed by their Zombie workers.

Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

I was "recruited" by them about 1 year ago. I answered a Craigslist posting for: "If you have had a spiritual experience or awakening" please contact us. I did and I did.
After 2 phone calls, it was revealed that they were the "church of Scientology".

[DreamsInDigital]

Lol, well it's not like the Star Trek Franchise has ever done anything bad to anyone, unlike The Church of Scientology. And, both L. Ron Hubbard and Gene Roddenberry are dead. Probably still duking it out on the other side.

[Kristin]

LOL, I wonder what their civil war would look like? A bunch of well dressed people giving nasty looks to each other and fainting? I love it! All the military should become Scientologists and give away their money, personal liberties, and have a staring match in some daisy field somewhere while the rest of us watch and pick up the bills off the ground.
In Humor,
Worm

[BlueGem]

Luckily in Ireland and the UK, people don't put much pass on Scientology. In fact, there are probably more people in the UK identifying as Jedi than Scientologist hehe

[Bill Ryan]

One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.


http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

[DNA]

One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.


http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

Let me get this straight. Ingo Swann was a scientologist? This from the material you linked. So Ingo (the man) Swann basically learned the initials of RV from Scientology? I've read Penetration, it is a killer work, and I"ve always leaned towards the stories by Ingo being true.
Can anyone comment on this? Bill is a busy guy, so I would appreciate anyone else in the know on this subject to elaborate.

This whistle blower Dane Topps claims that Scientology had some legit foundations, and that Hubbard and company were recovering informtation from past lives that created a space drama very much in line with what Robert Morning Sky talks about in his Terra Papers.
This is all very new to me, because from what I've understood, I thought Scientology was all bogus. I had dismissed scientology out of had. Is there something there?
Anyone care to elaborate?

[CdnSirian]

Ingo Swann was born with his talents. It seems for a few years people with his talents crossed paths with Scientology, Stanford and the CIA. There are grey areas. It's a matter of opinion that Scientology has or had "legit foundations". Dane Topps story is probably close to how things happened. If you want to read more go to http://xenu.net get on the Operation Clambake message board and go through the oldest threads. You'll get the pictures...many. It's not a quick read ..

[Lost Soul]

LOL, I wonder what their civil war would look like? A bunch of well dressed people giving nasty looks to each other and fainting? I love it! All the military should become Scientologists and give away their money, personal liberties, and have a staring match in some daisy field somewhere while the rest of us watch and pick up the bills off the ground.
In Humor,
Worm

They would release the dirt on each other. every "E Meter" session is documented and files away, giving those with access to the files the most enbarassing personal information on the subject.

[kanishk]

church of Scientology them self make documentaries, and type of community on internet that have offensive views about church of Scientology, so that people who google about this subject can not get right information and as a result can be obstructed from find out about science and history of Scientology. Like in BBC - Panorama: The Secrets of Scientology this video creates illusion that viewer is rationalizing information about Scientology, but if you have search thoroughly and read information created by L RON HUBBARD himself, we can suspect this video is created by church of Scientology which does not work according to the philosophy of L RON HUBBARD.

[Bill Ryan]

One can read more about this saga in the Project Camelot library. How it was taken over and by the NWO and deported the founders. It is a written testimony.


http://projectcamelot.org/dane_tops.html

The whole story: highly recommended reading for a full understanding.

Let me get this straight. Ingo Swann was a scientologist? This from the material you linked. So Ingo (the man) Swann basically learned the initials of RV from Scientology? I've read Penetration, it is a killer work, and I"ve always leaned towards the stories by Ingo being true.
Can anyone comment on this? Bill is a busy guy, so I would appreciate anyone else in the know on this subject to elaborate.

This whistle blower Dane Topps claims that Scientology had some legit foundations, and that Hubbard and company were recovering informtation from past lives that created a space drama very much in line with what Robert Morning Sky talks about in his Terra Papers.
This is all very new to me, because from what I've understood, I thought Scientology was all bogus. I had dismissed scientology out of had. Is there something there?
Anyone care to elaborate?

Yes, Ingo was a scientologist -- and so were Pat Price, Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ, and many others. The only principal player in the SRI research days who was not a scientologist was Uri Geller.

Ingo developed co-ordinate remote viewing (CRV) -- later used by Ed Dames and others -- according to the broad protocols proven to work well in scientology sessions.

All this happened in the 1970s, before the Church of Scientology was taken over.

Yes, Scientology has totally legitimate foundations. The basic techniques developed by Hubbard in the 1950s work brilliantly and effectively. They have spread, often without people being fully aware of them, to a wide range of alternative therapies that have since adopted them under different guises.

[DNA]

Yes, Ingo was a scientologist -- and so were Pat Price, Hal Puthoff, Russell Targ, and many others. The only principal player in the SRI research days who was not a scientologist was Uri Geller.

Ingo developed co-ordinate remote viewing (CRV) -- later used by Ed Dames and others -- according to the broad protocols proven to work well in scientology sessions.

All this happened in the 1970s, before the Church of Scientology was taken over.

Yes, Scientology has totally legitimate foundations. The basic techniques developed by Hubbard in the 1950s work brilliantly and effectively. They have spread, often without people being fully aware of them, to a wide range of alternative therapies that have since adopted them under different guises.

Thank you very much for your reply Bill.
Wow, my head is realing from all of this. After Ingo Swann, the name that stands out is Uri Geller, I have read his biography by Andrija Puharich and though Uri loves attention he does seem to have some genuine psychic ability. This is amazing. I had no idea there was a connection there. I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.
The information regarding Hubbard is fascinating to no end. Finding out he commanded a fleet of ocean bound vessels for a number of years and remained with them at sea, reminds me of the hero in the Illuminati Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson, and I'm wondering if there isn't a connection there as well.

If one were to look for a book that outlined the original practices before the belief system was infiltrated so to speak, does anyone know what the best book would be?

Thanks Again

[Bill Ryan]

I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.


He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

[Seikou-Kishi]

I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.


He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

Bill, I'm sure it would be worthwhile, but do you think it feasible to try to recover L R Hubbard's techniques and to find ways to utilise them again?

[Jenci]

Ron Hubbard had connections with Aleister Crowley. It may or may not be relevent.....



In Hubbard's 1952 Philadelphia Doctorate Course Lectures, he states:

"The magical cults of the 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th and 12th centuries in the Middle East were fascinating. The only modern work that has anything to do with them is a trifle wild in spots, but is a fascinating work in itself, and that's the work of Aleister Crowley - the late Aleister Crowley - my very good friend.... He signs himself 'the Beast,' mark of the Beast 666..."

From this site which may have some bias http://www.watchman.org/sci/hubmagk2.htm but there are plenty of other references online.

As has already been mentioned Operation Clambake is a good place to research Scientology - lots of ex scientologists there. http://www.xenu.net/

Jeanette

[Hughe]

@Seikou-Kishi

I have E-book version of Dianetecs written by L. Ron Hubbard. It has 275 pages without any publication date on it. I'm uncertain it was the original manuscript that Hubbard developed or fabricated one by the Scientologists later on. Bill is an expert. He probably confirms its authenticity.

Below is the full title:


DIANETICS
THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH
A HANDBOOK OF DIANETIC PROCEDURE
By
L. RON HUBBARD

[Bill Ryan]

I know Uri grew up in Israel so I'm perplexed at how he came to have a relationship with L Ron Hubbard.


He didn't! Uri is not connected with scientology -- other than that everyone else in the SRI research group was a scientologist. Uri was the only one who wasn't. :)

Bill, I'm sure it would be worthwhile, but do you think it feasible to try to recover L R Hubbard's techniques and to find ways to utilise them again?

They are all alive and [very] well. The 'lifeboat' splinter groups formed in the early 1980s have developed and expanded into some very sizable and competent groups operating worldwide, but with quite a low public profile for obvious reasons. The countries where there is most activity are Switzerland, Germany, Russia, the US, South Africa, the UK, and one or two other European countries.

There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

http://projectavalon.net/Library_of_L_Ron_Hubbard_texts_from_Free_Zone_Scientology.4701972.TPB.torrent

[Seikou-Kishi]

Excellent, thank you!

Needless to say, I'll be seeding this torrent for the foreseeable future.

Thanks Hughe... I'm a little embarrassed to admit that when I saw the title of the book, I actually remembered buying it a few months ago — lol I must be in desperate need of these techniques :D

[Kristin]

I wonder if there is an opportunity here for some of the splinter groups to work with Scientologists to bring them back to their original purpose, which was to help out humanity. However the misuse of this technology, I would surmise, is the reason that this "war" broke out in the first place. Technology without positive responsible consciousness comes with a price.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[CdnSirian]

http://www.biomindsuperpowers.com/ is a site where you can read Ingo Swann's experiences in psychic research and remote viewing. He writes with meticulous detail and much humor.

[CdnSirian]

Jacques Vallee mentions L R Hubbard in "Messengers of Deception" (he is not saying L R Hubbard was such a messenger) and his theory is that individuals were targeted to start new religions, to socially engineer people into various and conflicting beliefs about freedom,control, ET's, and more. He believes that the CIA was part of the inception of these religions, always had people on the inside. The "Messengers of Deception" are TPTB, in his opinion. A book before its time.

If one were to believe that Scientology had valid techniques for improving function (some do and some don't), the theory is that those techniques were given a setting in which to develop, and then hijacked, and the organization seemingly moves on, but appears to have become a negative force with nothing to offer. There has always been conflict in the organization, regular purges of personnel, removing the ones closest to the top with "the real tech" and then a new wave. This has been repeated for decades.

Much written about it all!

[Cartomancer]

I read once that Ron L. Hubbard, Aleister Crowley, and Jack Parsons were all members of the Ordo Templi Orientis or OTO. Jack Parsons was the founder of the Jet Propulsion Labratory that later became NASA. I'm sure we all know who Aleister Cowley is. Ron L. Hubbard went on to found Scientology. The OTO is an interesting order that practices sex majic and other occult rituals. Kind of like in the movie "Eyes Wide Shut."

Here are two very influential organizations basically being influenced by this order. This is how the occult works. They get people into key positions and use them to their advantage. Once you have this org. then events that seem paranormal and odd can be executed and taken advantage of.

It is also interesting that part of Scientology involves controlling the Thetans or lost souls of a dead alien race. This is kind of like a Sci-fi version of what King Solomon did in commanding the Angels and Demons. Is it possible that Masonry or the Church is persecuting Scientology due to this fact? Some secret societies are centered around Heptarchia or the summoning of Angels and Demons in a similar fashion to John Dee of Elizabethan England. I wonder if the Scientologists see themselves as getting rid of the demons commanded by some secret societies. There has to be some other reason for this attack on Scientology beyond what people think of it. Traditionally Jesuit assassins wear masks..........................

[conk]

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

[Bill Ryan]

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

[Alan]

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

Any suggestions on where I can find the details on these protocols?

[Alan]

There's a torrent download of original LRH materials (books, encyclopedic research volumes, and audio tapes) which is freely available here:

http://projectavalon.net/Library_of_L_Ron_Hubbard_texts_from_Free_Zone_Scientology.4701972.TPB.torrent

This link is not working for me.

[conk]

LRH was way ahead of his time in understanding that emotional trauma was a huge factor in developing illness. His health, detox, and other protocols are amazing.

This is correct.

Any suggestions on where I can find the details on these protocols?I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

[Alan]

I bought about 4 or 5 used LRH books on various health topics from Amazon.com. As so few have good thoughts about LRH, the books are not in demand and are very inexpensive used. A few bucks for each one. Good information!

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

Thanks. How does one know if the edition has been corrupted by the Church or not?

[Alan]

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

[Bill Ryan]

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.

[Mike]

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.


the only problem is that there are not a lot of specialists out there - to consult personally, i mean. you have your naturopaths, but without insurance coverage you're paying an arm and a leg. my favorite edict is the one on the side of the numerous supplements i take; it always makes me laugh:" consult your doctor before starting any new supplement program". which doctor??? where??? these md's haven't a clue about nutrition!

over time, i've discovered the only specialist i can trust is myself. i'm not a specialist in anatomy, biology or physiology, but i am a specialist in 'me'. a little research and responsible experimentation will usually lead one to a result. caution, as always, is advised. i myself take 500mg niacinimide for atp mitochondrial production. you get the result without the "flush". though i do believe there are subtle differences that one may want to research before making a decision 1 way or another.

i am seeing the trend change through the years, thankfully, as naturopaths and chiropractors spring up here locally; but as usual, money is always the big issue.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood fool looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

[Alan]

As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

Wow, are you a friend of Tom's? Sounds like you know him pretty well.

[Mike]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.


have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

[JohnBlues]

Hey Chinaski, you mean this one? L5Zv3X_Hlck

Oh wait, it's a Tom Cruise' clone, a funnier and more sensical one! :hurt:

Here's the real, very awkward one - 0CCIQtwIwAA

[Seikou-Kishi]

As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.

Wow, are you a friend of Tom's? Sounds like you know him pretty well.

Don't be facetious. He let Miscavige interfere when he was going out with Kidman. Doesn't make him a genius.

[Mike]

lol! yeah, that's the big one, but just about any Cruise interview will do. he's made some Letterman appearances that are just...wow.

[Seikou-Kishi]

I've just been trauling through the LRH torrent linked above and it is a veritable treasure trove! Can't wait to really get my teeth into it.

[Jean-Luc]

I am about to start a major detox program. Part of it will be LRH's far-infrared, niacin protocol. Take the dose of niacin and sit in the heat for as long as you can. He recommends 6 to 8 hours, but that should not be attempted by anyone without assistance. I'll likely do 30 minute to one hour sessions first, then take it up slowly. Hydration, of course, is a must.

BTW, how much niacin does he have you take at a time? Have you ever taken it before?

I took some last year, I think it was 100mg, I was SHOCKED at the flush it caused. I was at work when I took it, my skin turned bright red and my heart was beating very fast.

Be careful with this stuff.

The daily intake of niacin needs to be increased very gradually, and in balance with other vitamins (not on its own!). Judging the exact procedure, and making the correct day-to-day decisions on how much to take, is a specialist process.


Famous "detox MD" Dr Klinghardt recommends up to 1500 mg/day, but this is for the the treatment of autism.

NB : tid. means Ter In Die (Latin for Three Times A Day)

This is an extract (p 18) from one 34 slides presentation of him called "KPU Protocol for autism (Sept 09)"

Treatment (adult dosages)
a.m. before breakfast:

Zinc 250 mg/day for 3-4 months (as picolinate, gluconate, citrate or sulfate) Later in the treatment less zinc may be needed for maintainance
Manganese 20-50 mg/day
MicroMinerals 1 tbsp (BioPure)
Biotin 10 mg
after breakfast

Arachidonic acid from Omega-6 oils: ghee, evening primrose, borage oil, black current oil
fish oil

p.m. before bedtime:

P-5-P 50 mg, B-6 25 mg (up to 800 mg B6)
Magnesium glycinate 600 mg (up to 1600 mg), calcium citrate 1200 mg
Detox protocol
psychiatric symptoms: Niacin 500 mg tid.

to improve bile quality/neurotoxin elimination/normalizing brain rhythms: Taurine 500 mg tid. before meals

Source : a non public powerpoint presentation of Dr Klinghardt, after a seminar I attended with him in Paris in 2009.

________________________

Dr Rath, about heart diseases :

"These effects are achieved by nutritional supplements reversing impaired blood flow to the heart muscle as well as improving metabolism of millions of heart cells. The most important among these nutrients are vitamin C, vitamin E, niacin, lysine, proline, coenzyme Q10, carnitine as well as certain minerals."

Source : http://www.drrathresearch.org/research/publications/leading-publications/100-a-new-era-in-medicine.html

FYI (my comment) : typical dosages of niacin in Dr Rath supplements are 5-15 mg/pill (i.e. 15-45 mg/day usually) and of niaciamide of 10 to 100 mg/day (i.e. 30 to 300 mg/day). The 100 mg dosage is found in the supplement called "Metavit" (used in the normalisation of cholesterol)

[DNA]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.


have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

I agree Chinaski, Tom Cruise reminds me of a Jim Carrey caricature.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJsHhYX7aI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PleFw1gZ8GM&feature=related

[Alan]

Could we please refrain from the Tom Cruise bashing and stay on topic? I'm sure many of us would come across different than we really are if we were as famous as TC and constantly in the public eye.

I suggest we focus on bashing the real "bad guys" in the world, the PTW.

:-)

[jackovesk]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.


have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

Here is another one of those interviews that make you want to cringe, this blokes 'Eyes' are a dead give away he is not comfortable in his own skin. Add to that his necessity to always be in 'Control' shows you that Tom Cruise's Soul has not benefited one iota from his beloved 'Church of Scientology'...

Tom Cruise's - Full Interview with Australian 60 Minutes (He Loses it - Big Time)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8q2NZZhlps&feature=related

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Could we please refrain from the Tom Cruise bashing and stay on topic? I'm sure many of us would come across different than we really are if we were as famous as TC and constantly in the public eye.

I suggest we focus on bashing the real "bad guys" in the world, the PTW.

:-)

Sorry alamojo,

I didn't see your post...

:focus:

[Mike]

I feel really bad for Miscavige. I know he's done an awful lot of bad in his time, but imagine what awful things they must have done to him as a child to turn him into the person he is? He looks dead behind the eyes. As for Tom Cruise, he's just a fool, a Hollywood looking for a Hollywood fad and he found Miscavige.


have you ever heard Cruise get interviewed? the guy is just lost without cue-cards. i mean, this guy has absolutely nothing to say, so much so that it's embarrassing to watch him. i'm not really a fan, but i find myself rooting for him, simply because it's painful to watch. he gives these very flat ,safe responses, and then he follows up with this weird maniacal laugh that one might expect from an emotionally unstable individual. he's a veritable cyborg. so strange.

I agree Chinaski, Tom Cruise reminds me of a Jim Carrey caricature.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owJsHhYX7aI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PleFw1gZ8GM&feature=related


fire marshall Bill! the best! almost forgot about that.

there are definite similarities, notably the spazziness.

[conk]

Fellows, there is a big difference between niacin and niacinimide. Niacinimide won't give you flushes. It is strongly advised for arthritis, dementia, and other ailments.

As Bill said, niacin must be titrated to the maximum dosage without the flush. Anyway, the flush is harmless. That said, please read on niacin before ingesting larger quantities. Sorry, I forget the recommended dosage from the LRH book.

[DNA]

fire marshall Bill! the best! almost forgot about that.

there are definite similarities, notably the spazziness.

For me it is the perma-grin, the seemingly lack of ability to express appropriate emotion for a given situation and lastly the inappropriate out of place laughter.
All in all I agree with you, the guy seems like an empty vessel, a mannequin.

[Monitor]

Hi All,

Here is Clear Body clear mind(attachemnt) . I have done the rundown a few times with amazing results(by myself I might had). It is beneficial and safer to do it together with someone else. Tip: Follow the protocols exactly as stated...Niacin, the oils and calmag are vital ingredients(donot alter any of the protocols or subsitute any of the ingrediants). Start low and increase the doses gradually, as stated in the book.

Regards

Monitor

12577

[58andfixed]

To add a bit more to this 'pile' that many may not have yet found:

http://www.experiencefestival.com/l_ron_hubbard_-_parents

"Until quite recently the Identity of Frater X remained unknown."

"Rumor had it that he had lived to a very old age in fame and luxury from the misuses of the magickal secrets that he had stolen."

"His identity remained a mystery until the late 1980's when it was revealed in several places at once that Frater X was none other than L. Ron Hubbard, father of Dianetics and Scientology."


Other posts on PA have also suggested this here. (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?16807-Was-there-more-than-one-Ron-Hubbard&p=180602&viewfull=1#post180602)

- 58


Funny little anecdote about this Church Of Scientology. Back before it started Gene Roddenberry (Star Trek Franchise) and L. Ron Hubbard were best friends, LRH wanted to start his religion, and GR decided he wanted to start his own franchise (which became like a religion for many). They each started their own things, and never spoke to eachother again. But, they both started from almost the exact same point.

[58andfixed]

I have found a link for a 945 KByte PDF version that is 275 pages, with no date on it here (http://scientology-london.com/extra/Dianetics_The_Modern_Science_of_Mental_Health.pdf).

The web-site is here (http://scientology-london.com/Dianetics_-_The_Modern_Science_of_Mental_Health_-_download_it_here_for_free.html).

I also did find a 687 page version that is 32,678 KBytes is size.

Quite a bit of editorial changes I'm sure.

- 58



I have E-book version of Dianetecs written by L. Ron Hubbard. It has 275 pages without any publication date on it. I'm uncertain it was the original manuscript that Hubbard developed or fabricated one by the Scientologists later on. Bill is an expert. He probably confirms its authenticity.

Below is the full title:


DIANETICS
THE MODERN SCIENCE OF MENTAL HEALTH
A HANDBOOK OF DIANETIC PROCEDURE
By
L. RON HUBBARD

[Hervé]

Regarding the Hubbard-Parson-Crowley relationships, too many facets being presented as truths...

For starter, there is this letter from Parsons to Crowley:



“About 3 months ago I met Capt L Ron Hubbard, a writer and explorer of whom I had known for some time …. [no omission] He is a gentleman, red hair, green eyes, honest and intelligent and we have become great friends. He moved in with me about two months ago, and although Betty and I are still friendly, she has transferred her sexual affections to him.

Although he has no formal training in Magick he has an extraordinary amount of experience and understanding in the field. From some of his experiences I deduce he is in direct touch with some higher intelligence, possibly his Guardian Angel. He is the most Thelemic person I have ever met and is in complete accord with our own principles. He is also interested in establishing the New Aeon, but for cogent reasons I have not introduced him to the Lodge.

We are pooling our resources in a partnership which will act as a parent company to control our business ventures. I think I have made a great gain, and as Betty and I are the best of friends, there is little loss ….

I need a magical partner. I have many experiments in mind. I hope my elemental gets off the dime [gets moving] – the next time I tie up with a woman it will be on [my] own terms.”



Then, a research done in an attempt to get to the bottom of these gossips yields the following:



Critics have accused Ron of “swindling” Jack Parsons, and while Wright doesn’t add new news to this theory, he certainly manages to leave some important facts out.

Basically, Ron and Jack, in the short 4-5 months that they hung out and became good friends in 1945/1946, decided to go into business together — it was going to be a wide ranging enterprise, and the first idea was to buy three yachts cheaply on the east coast (Miami), bring them across the Panama Canal by hiring crews, and then selling them at a significant mark-up to the rich celebrity crowd in southern California. Parsons put up most of the money, but didn’t have to do any work. Hubbard put in a bit of money, but was responsible for doing all the legwork. This is a common business arrangement, where one partner provides the money, the other takes care of operations.

Beyond that, there were a number of future ideas that the two had thought up, including adding Hubbard’s writings to the partnership, Parsons was going to add some of the assets from his rocket work. (Source: Strange Angel, by Pendle).

According to Heinlein, Hubbard talked up an idea of going to other countries, including a “China venture” — in one letter to Hubbard in 1946, Heinlein scolded Hubbard for being too talkative about China, getting his (Heinlein’s) nephews overly excited about exotic trips there. [Source: Heinlein biography by Patterson].

But forty years later, this became “Hubbard tried to swindle Parsons” in the minds of his critics, for two reasons:

(1) Because Ron was still in the Navy, he was required to get permission to leave the country. He listed South America, Central America and China as possible destinations. Because China was nowhere near the Panama Canal, this, in the minds of Hubbard’s critics, was due to Ron’s “secret plans to go to China”. Yeah, real secret — Heinlein was actually upset that Ron was talking about it too much.

(2) Crowley and his OTO team didn’t trust people — they didn’t trust Jack (to think for himself), they didn’t trust someone named Smith. They had endless back-stabbing drama amongst themselves. And their latest object of distrust was Ron. When Crowley (living in England, and having never met Ron) heard about the business venture, he decided that it was all a con by Ron and that he needed to brow-beat Jack, and with the help from other members of the drama-filled OTO, ultimately convinced Jack that Ron was swindling him.

In the mean time, Ron was busily carrying out the business plan (with the help of Betty) in Miami for about a month, had bought the boats and even hired the crews. But Jack had been convinced by Crowley and others that Ron wasn’t staying in touch with Jack enough, and therefore Ron must be onto something tricky. So Jack races across the country to find Ron and Betty doing exactly what they had all agreed to do. Ron had actually purchased three yachts! And worse, he had arranged the crews to sail them through the Panama Canal. The horror of it all!

Jack, having been all worked up by the OTO (and wanting to stay in good graces with Crowley), forced the partnership to be dissolved.

Hubbard and Betty were left thinking: WTF?

(Sources: “Strange Angel”, by Pendle; “Heinlein Biography, Vol 1″, by Patterson.)

— -- --

Believe me, when Hubbard later referred to Aleister Crowley in a lecture as his “good friend”, he was joking. And the audience knew it. They chuckled when he said it.

Hubbard, to start with, was a highly gifted psychic since a very early age..

... make of it what thou wilt...

[hangel]

if you worry about 'updated' versions of books of LRH then buy used ones on amazon. Used ones go for.... a few cents +p&p. The one with sauna flush (B3 connected) is 'Clear body, clear mind' (i think, please correct me if im wrong).
There are slightly modified versions of that procedure using an infra-red sauna and vit B3. Some procedures add charcoal (very large surface area and chemically inactive, widely used in some countries for treating upset stomach, not much used in the UK these days, removing toxins due to surface adsorption, but also removes nutrients)

i also came across this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF_VeTERa1M
its only a couple minutes long but explains a little about how high to go with niacin. Essentially as high as you can (~5000mg/day) not sure what LRH says about this.
What's interesting it seems that this may be the right method to get rid of heavy metals (not to be mixed with music fans - sorry, no offence:o)

[jackovesk]

King of Queens star Leah Remini on quitting Scientology, falling out with Kirstie Alley and putting ‘family first’

February 28, 2014

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2014/02/28/1226840/864992-7a8f9886-a010-11e3-a562-7581a373430e.jpg
Leah Remini starred alongside Kevin James in The King of Queens. Source: Supplied

“I JUST want people to know the truth.”

Leah Remini, best known for her star turn as Carrie Heffernan on the 90s/2000s sitcom The King of Queens, has revealed she quit the Church of Scientology for the sake of her family.

Remini left the church last year in acrimonious circumstances after she claimed she endured years of “interrogations” and “thought modification”.

It was reported at the time she questioned the mysterious marriage of Scientology leader David Miscavige and his rarely-seen wife Shelly, and was sternly rebuffed and threatened.

Now she has opened up on the devastating circumstances of her split from the church, a bitter falling out with former friend Kirstie Alley and her difficult childhood growing up in a Scientologist family.

TV star: ‘Why I really quit Scientology’

Leah Remini says she wants “people to know the truth” about Scientology.

Remini, 43, told Buzzfeed the decisive factor in her departure was the intensive devotion the church requires from its followers. She feared she was putting her family, especially her nine-year-old daughter Sofia, a distant second.

“In my house, it’s family first — but I was spending most of my time at the church,” she said.

“So, I was saying ‘family first,’ but I wasn’t showing that. I didn’t like the message that sent my daughter.”

http://resources1.news.com.au/images/2014/02/28/1226840/864413-80de4e9e-a010-11e3-a562-7581a373430e.jpg
Remini, pictured here with her daughter Sofia in 2010, wanted to put her “family first”. Source: Getty Images

Remini described growing up on a floor in a “roach-infested” Los Angeles motel - after leaving behind a comfortable, middle-class life in New York - as “traumatic”. Then her family moved to a compound in Florida, where the church pulled them apart.

“We were separated from our mother. We had to sign billion-year contracts we didn’t understand. And we kept saying, ‘Why are you doing this to us? Why are we here?’”

That experience ultimately informed Remini’s decision to leave the church last year. She thought of her daughter and wanted to spare her from the Scientology life.

“She was getting to the age where the acclimation into the church would have to start,” she added.

“I started thinking of my own childhood and how I grew up resenting my mother because she was never home.”

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/02/28/1226840/865050-80680e46-a010-11e3-a562-7581a373430e.jpg
Remini and Alley shared the screen in an episode of The King of Queens and formed a firm

Remini and Alley shared the screen in an episode of The King of Queens and formed a firm friendship through Scientology. Source: YouTube

When she eventually quit the church Remini was scalded by its followers, including some of her then-close friends. Alley, the Look Who’s Talking actor, said Remini was repulsive and a bigot.

“They only cared that their lives would be disrupted if they stood with me,” Remini said of the reaction from her Scientology friends.

“They didn’t care about doing the right thing. That showed me everything the church taught me was a lie.”

http://resources2.news.com.au/images/2014/02/28/1226840/865106-7e77a1fa-a010-11e3-a562-7581a373430e.jpg
Alley later denied her Twitter outburst was directed at Remini. Source: Twitter

But it was Remini’s mother — herself a devout Scientologist — who provided her with the most comfort and support during the tumultuous split with the church.

“The fact my mother stood by me after all her years in the church totally took away any resentment I may have been harbouring,” she said.

“When it mattered the most, my mother was there for me.”

http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/king-of-queens-star-leah-remini-on-quitting-scientology-falling-out-with-kirstie-alley-and-putting-family-first/story-fn907478-1226840864469

[Bill Ryan]

:bump:

Bumping this valuable thread. Since the above post, many will already know that Leah Remini, co-hosting with ex Scientology goon Mike Rinder, has headed up a three-series exposé on the activities of the recent Church of Scientology under David Miscavige.

Everything's in the Avalon Library, and all the episodes are in this folder:


Leah Remini - Scientology and the Aftermath (All of Series 1, 2 and 3)
http://avalonlibrary.net/Leah_Remini_Scientology_and_the_Aftermath/ (http://avalonlibrary.net/Leah_Remini_Scientology_and_the_Aftermath/)

There are also these documentaries, all of which are well worth watching.


Going Clear - Scientology and the Prison of Belief
http://avalonlibrary.net/Going_Clear_Scientology_and_the_Prison_of_Belief.mp4 (http://avalonlibrary.net/Going_Clear_Scientology_and_the_Prison_of_Belief.mp4)



BBC Panorama - Scientology and Me
http://avalonlibrary.net/BBC_Panorama_Scientology_and_Me.avi (http://avalonlibrary.net/BBC_Panorama_Scientology_and_Me.avi)



BBC Panorama - The Secrets of Scientology
http://avalonlibrary.net/BBC_Panorama_The_Secrets_of_Scientology.avi (http://avalonlibrary.net/BBC_Panorama_The_Secrets_of_Scientology.avi)

And these books:


Ron Miscavige - Ruthless - Scientology, my son David Miscavige, and me
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Ron%20Miscavige%20-%20Ruthless%20-%20Scientology%2C%20my%20son%20David%20Miscavige%2C%20and%20me.pdf



Jenna Miscavige Hill - Beyond Belief - My Secret Life inside Scientology and my Harrowing Escape
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Jenna%20Miscavige%20Hill%20-%20Beyond%20Belief%20-%20My%20Secret%20Life%20inside%20Scientology%20and%20my%20Harrowing%20Escape.pdf



Marc Headley - Blown for Good - Behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Marc%20Headley%20-%20Blown%20for%20Good%20-%20Behind%20the%20Iron%20Curtain%20of%20Scientology.pdf



Paulette Cooper - The Scandal of Scientology
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Paulette%20Cooper%20-%20The%20Scandal%20of%20Scientology.pdf



Tony Ortega - The Unbreakable Miss Lovely - How the Church of Scientology Tried to Destroy Paulette Cooper
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Tony%20Ortega%20-%20The%20Unbreakable%20Miss%20Lovely%20-%20How%20the%20Church%20of%20Scientology%20Tried%20to%20Destroy%20Paulette%20Cooper.pdf



Janet Reitman - Inside Scientology - The Story of America's Most Secretive Religion
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Janet%20Reitman%20-%20Inside%20Scientology%20-%20The%20Story%20of%20America's%20Most%20Secretive%20Religion.pdf

These last three are listed because although not specifically about the Church of Scientology, the two authors were guests on Leah Remini's show.


Lloyd Evans - The Reluctant Apostate - Leaving Jehovah's Witnesses Comes at a Price
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Lloyd%20Evans%20-%20The%20Reluctant%20Apostate%20-%20Leaving%20Jehovah's%20Witnesses%20Comes%20at%20a%20Price.pdf



Steven Hassan - Freedom of Mind - Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Steven%20Hassan%20-%20Freedom%20of%20Mind%20-%20Helping%20Loved%20Ones%20Leave%20Controlling%20People%2C%20Cults%20and%20Beliefs.pdf



Steven Hassan - Combatting Cult Mind Control - The #1 Best-selling Guide to Protection, Rescue, and Recovery from Destructive Cults
http://avalonlibrary.net/ebooks/Steven%20Hassan%20-%20Combatting%20Cult%20Mind%20Control%20-%20The%20%231%20Best-selling%20Guide%20to%20Protection%2C%20Rescue%2C%20and%20Recovery%20from%20Destructive%20Cults.pdf

[TrumanCash]

Thanks for putting Leah Remini's "Scientology and the Aftermath" series in the library, Bill. The show is very well done, genuine and Remini and Rinder are very good presenters in this moving series.

After watching this series I began watching videos from ex-Mormons, ex-Jehovah's Witnesses and other cults. It is very interesting what people have to go through to deprogram themselves from the falsehoods and traumas, often taking decades. Beliefs can be very powerful.

I noticed two deprogramming tools that people used: truth seeking (i.e., "fact checking") and questioning authority.

As a side note, the last time I entered a $cientology organization, I told them about the abductions by Grays that I was having and they showed me the door. I am certain that if I had had a big fat bank account they would have kept me around in spite of my "suppressive" bug-eyed friends who would also not be paying customers. :alien: :cantina: :ufo:

[TrumanCash]

The "civil war" between the $cientology "church" and ex-scientologists took a very unexpected turn in the case of Marty Rathbun.

Marty Rathbun--like Scientology and the Aftermath's consultant and co-host, Mike Rinder, was a top-level executive in the corporation/cult of $cientology. Mike Rinder had survived "the hole" and both experienced the physical and mental abuse of sociopathic leader David Miscavige. Both Rinder and Rathbun left $cientology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km8oOHV9osU
After leaving they eventually began actively exposing the abuses of the "church". Marty started a blog and was harassed by the "church". He played a leading role in Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie in 2015, which exposed "the hole".

Eventually, Marty Rathbun's wife, Monique, sued the "church" of $cientology due to all the harassment. Although $cientology's lawyers did everything they could to drag out the case, the case was sound and it was expected that Monique would eventually win the case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XreTAMuCRvE
However, Monique unexpectedly fired her lawyers and dropped the case. Then Marty Rathbun began unexpectedly publishing very professionally-made videos exposing his former friends who were featured in Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath series. In these videos Marty lies about his former friends that were in Remini's shows as well as Leah Remini herself.

Marty used to hold annual gatherings of his ex-scientology friends at his home in Texas so his friends were understandably shocked to see Marty obviously lying on these videos and turning against his friends who had been courageously speaking out against $cientology cult abuse.

I and other ex-scientologists highly suspect that Marty and Monique sold out their friends and took a pay off from the "church". The videos themselves were indicative of the church's tactics. Plus, they were professionally produced--unlike most youtube videos where people casually sit in front of their computers in their own homes. The "church" has its own movie production facilities which appear to have been used in Marty's videos where he is not even looking at the camera. In the videos Marty is constantly stumbling on his words and it appears that he is repeatedly glancing down at (his?) notes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JcoOh1dBg&list=PLQSN7VhvmJNPb3d7Vs4p31ekb9ZFCgXKb
In spite of the "church" still having a website exposing Marty Rathbun they now have posted these videos on the church's own websites in order to attack Leah Remini and her successful TV series exposing $cientology. https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2017/06/26/is-marty-rathbun-a-psychopath-which-story-is-scientology-sticking-with/

So it's pretty much a no brainer what is going on. There also exists the possibility that the "church" has some dirt on Marty or Monique that they are using against them. The dirty tricks of the church, which were established by L Ron Hubbard, are well known.

Here is Mike Rinder's response to Marty's videos: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/marty-rathbuns-meltdown/

Here is a more complete chronicle of Marty's activities by Tony Ortega: https://tonyortega.org/2017/03/14/memories-of-a-scientology-warrior-marty-rathbuns-curious-career-as-church-rebel/

I have friends who were friends of Marty and Monique and they used to attend their annual get-togethers. They are saddened by Marty's behavior. They have tried to contact him to find out what happened, but Marty and Monique have not responded to any inquiries from former friends. When I watch Marty's videos wherein he knowingly lies about his former friends I am also saddened because I see a tortured soul.

20/20 Scientology: A War Without Guns


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBWJYDQrLQI

[Bill Ryan]

The "civil war" between the $cientology "church" and ex-scientologists took a very unexpected turn in the case of Marty Rathbun.

Marty Rathbun--like Scientology and the Aftermath's consultant and co-host, Mike Rinder, was a top-level executive in the corporation/cult of $cientology. Mike Rinder had survived "the hole" and both experienced the physical and mental abuse of sociopathic leader David Miscavige. Both Rinder and Rathbun left $cientology.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km8oOHV9osU
After leaving they eventually began actively exposing the abuses of the "church". Marty started a blog and was harassed by the "church". He played a leading role in Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie in 2015, which exposed "the hole".


Here it is: :thumbsup:


http://avalonlibrary.net/My_Scientology_Movie_(2015).mp4



Eventually, Marty Rathbun's wife, Monique, sued the "church" of $cientology due to all the harassment. Although $cientology's lawyers did everything they could to drag out the case, the case was sound and it was expected that Monique would eventually win the case.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XreTAMuCRvE
However, Monique unexpectedly fired her lawyers and dropped the case. Then Marty Rathbun began unexpectedly publishing very professionally-made videos exposing his former friends who were featured in Leah Remini's Scientology and the Aftermath series. In these videos Marty lies about his former friends that were in Remini's shows as well as Leah Remini herself.

Marty used to hold annual gatherings of his ex-scientology friends at his home in Texas so his friends were understandably shocked to see Marty obviously lying on these videos and turning against his friends who had been courageously speaking out against $cientology cult abuse.

I and other ex-scientologists highly suspect that Marty and Monique sold out their friends and took a pay off from the "church". The videos themselves were indicative of the church's tactics. Plus, they were professionally produced--unlike most youtube videos where people casually sit in front of their computers in their own homes. The "church" has its own movie production facilities which appear to have been used in Marty's videos where he is not even looking at the camera. In the videos Marty is constantly stumbling on his words and it appears that he is repeatedly glancing down at (his?) notes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JcoOh1dBg&list=PLQSN7VhvmJNPb3d7Vs4p31ekb9ZFCgXKb
In spite of the "church" still having a website exposing Marty Rathbun they now have posted these videos on the church's own websites in order to attack Leah Remini and her successful TV series exposing $cientology. https://scientologymoneyproject.com/2017/06/26/is-marty-rathbun-a-psychopath-which-story-is-scientology-sticking-with/

So it's pretty much a no brainer what is going on.


Yes, no kidding. He's been turned. I'd never seen that video. He's reading (literally or metaphorically) straight from the Church's script. It's as plain as day.

SOME of what Rathbun says about the Remini series between his VERY Church-like criticism is semi-accurate, but definitely worthy of a few notes.


The producers of the show (not just Leah Remini, who's just one of a whole team of co-producers) will have the final say on what's aired. And above them, A&E senior executives have the right to dictate or demand anything they like. A&E (like any network) are doing this not through altruism, but to earn money from maximizing viewers and with that, advertising revenue. That's just how the TV game is played.



So that means that there's always going to be a push from the producers and editors to make it look as Jerry-Springer-like as possible. Emotion usually hooks people in, in any kind of media whatsoever. As with any TV show, what's filmed is 10x (or more!) what's actually edited and aired. So we can never know what was filtered out.



Having said that, what's NOT been shown on the Remini series, in any episode at all — even those featuring highly trained people — is anything that remotely accurately describes what Scientology processing is or how it works. (And in competent and ethical hands, it really does work. This is one of the paradoxes about the entire thing.) The same applies for the fairly similar and highly praised 'Going Clear' documentary, by the way. But there again, much material may have been omitted as being too difficult to present, or not relevant or necessary to the major story arc.



Re the processing, and all the 'levels' she worked through and attained, Leah Remini herself really doesn't seem to understand much about what she experienced (bar the abuse and draconian administrative policies, which is what the show is rightly all about). And Mike Rinder little more that Remini. I was really very surprised at that. (But then again, all that might have featured in the recordings of some of the guests, but was then edited out if the producers felt it was either of little interest, or maybe too hard for a lay audience to understand.)

[James Newell]

Despite all the noise and turmoil, Standard tech works extremely well. I agree the church has turned bad, probably most religions these days have been taken over. I guess I can only say Scientology works but it has to be done with a light touch.

Having left the cos was one of my better moves, but knowing and understanding the tech was a better move.

I am very happy I have attained what I have attained on the Bridge and as a pro Auditor have helped many others through out all these years. And continue to do so.

If you have questions I guess I'm willing to play a bit.

[TrumanCash]

Given that this is a thread about "civil war" in the church of Scientology, I would first say that "civil war" would not be the most accurate term to use. It's really just about the church abusing its members. So $cientologists just up and left the church. The ex-scientologists are not waging war--it's the church waging war on the ex-scientologists who have just been escaping the abuse. The ex-Scientologists are not at war but are mostly working on healing the wounds of their past abuse and hoping they can help others that are still "drinking the kool-aid", a term they often use.

Many are still experiencing the trauma of having their families torn apart by "disconnection", which is shunning that is enforced by the "church". Family members inside the "church" are not even allowed to communicate with family members who have left the church.

I have been making a study of this since it involves the way people deprogram themselves from a cult, which I find fascinating and very applicable to life in general.

I have spent many hours--probably hundreds--reading testimonies, documents, articles and watching videos of what people are saying who have left the so-called "church", which is more of a corporation disguised as a church. I also have my own firsthand experiences so I can relate and understand what is being talked about. I've also talked with many people who were in $cientology, some of whom knew Hubbard personally.

One of the problems with understanding what has been going on lies in the fact that $cientology has its own language that Hubbard created. So I'll try explain what has been going on in common English. To start with Hubbard refers to his writings as "technology" or "tech" for short.

From what I have gathered from people who have left $cientology, there are two people most responsible for the problems--current leader David Miscavige and L Ron Hubbard himself. After people leave the church they eventually often realize that both David Miscavige and Hubbard are/were sociopaths. This is very common in cults. Hubbard was by his own actions and by definition a sociopath, narcissist and pathological liar.

One ex-church member whom I know personally knew Hubbard in his previous lifetime in the early 50's, was in the Sea Org (the highest level of $cientologist) this lifetime and had achieved a high level of "tech" in the organization. I will only refer to him by his first name. "Les" had also done his homework regarding L Ron Hubbard and he said that Hubbard was 75% sociopath and 25% not sociopath. I think that is a fair summation in that nothing is all black or all white and there are varying degrees or intensities of sociopathy.

One of Hubbard's biggest lies involving his "tech" is regarding leaving the church. In spite of what some may claim, Hubbard's "tech" does not always work nor does it work on everyone equally or uniformly. He made many claims about his "tech" but many of those claims were false claims. This one big lie has probably caused more mental trauma than all the other "tech" combined.

This one big lie involved allegedly confidential "confessionals" which Hubbard called "Security Checking" or "Sec Checks" for short. When someone wants to leave a staff position in $cientology, Hubbard required them to be "Sec Checked". Hubbard claimed that when someone wanted to leave Scientology it was because that person had done something wrong against $cientology or a $cientologist and had kept it a secret. So the "Sec Check" was an interrogation tool to find out what bad thing that person did to make him or her want to leave. The bad thing, sin or transgression is called an "overt" in $cientologese. When the person who committed the "overt" kept it a secret it was called a "withhold". When a person suddenly left $cientology it was called a "blow".

Bill Franks, who worked with Hubbard personally, revealed Hubbard's big lie in the video interview below. Briefly, Hubbard confessed to him and David Mayo that he had lied about what made people want to leave $cientology. Hubbard said that it was not due to "overts and withholds" as Hubbard had written in his "tech". He told them that it was instead due to upsets, which are called "ARC breaks" in $cientology.
Hubbard told them that they could never tell anyone about his lie. Hubbard said that the purpose of his lie was to "control" people. Hubbard did not want people to leave $cientology.

There were in fact many reasons why people leave $cientology. People on staff were paid little to nothing and had to work long hours, pretty much slave labor. Hubbard used this slave labor to accumulate massive wealth. Hubbard died with assets of over 600 million dollars. As Bill Franks states in the video below, for Hubbard it was all about the money.

Both Hubbard and Miscavige severely punished and imprisoned people without their consent. Hubbard even severely punished and imprisoned a four-year old boy in the ship's chain locker for chewing a telex.

Hubbard taught that if a woman was raped it was because of what she had done or if a car went through a red light and hit your car, it was because of something you did. Because of this insane mind control, rape and pedophilia were covered up in the so-called "church" and victims are looked down upon as if they deserved it.

Homosexuality was looked upon by Hubbard and loyal $cientologists as a mental illness, perversion and sociopathic behavior. Hubbard's own homosexual son eventually committed suicide.

$cientology services were and still are very expensive to the extent that most people cannot afford them. I have even read $cientology policy that stated: "milk the public for all they are worth". $cientology registrars were taught to get people to max out credit cards and go deeply into debt which sometimes resulted in bankruptcy. One high level $cientologist (OT7) in Denver put his business deep in debt and ended up murdering his employee and then shooting himself in the head.

Hubbard did not deliver what he promised or live up to the claims he made. There are so many reasons why people leave $cientology. Many of them are horror stories. And the list goes on and on.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDGy2Q9qR70

The internet has made it possible for the truth to get out. There have also been movies exposing $cientology. More recently, Leah Remini's "Scientology and the Aftermath" has awakened many people to the dangers of the cult of $cientology.

Today $cientology is supported mostly by "whales" who donate millions of dollars individually in order to build extravagant "churches" with very few people inside them.

Jehovah's Witnesses, for example, has over 8,500,000 active members worldwide. Compare that to $cientology, which now only has an estimated 30,000 members worldwide.

If there is a "civil war" in $cientology then the so-called "church" is losing, big time.

[Bill Ryan]

Given that this is a thread about "civil war" in the church of Scientology, I would first say that "civil war" would not be the most accurate term to use. It's really just about the church abusing its members.

Yes, that's correct. A 'civil war' implies a war within an organization or group. This is a war declared by the Church against people who have left it. That's very different, with different implications.

I've just changed the thread title, from Civil War in the Church of Scientology..! to How the Church of Scientology declares war on ex-members.

:thumbsup:

[TrumanCash]

Here is a very recent 60 Minutes Australia production "Where is Shelly Miscavige" with Leah Remini, Mike Rinder and Ron Miscavige.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7QWifeY2_A

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/10/02/29/60-minutes-church-scientology-david-shelly-miscavige-hubbard-leah-remini

https://www.9news.com.au/2019/02/10/20/52/60-minutes-scientology-shelly-miscavige-mystery

[Bill Ryan]

In an unlikely cross-connection, Richard Dolan here talks about The New Totalitarianism.

In one section, what he's presenting is EXACTLY EXACTLY descriptive of the Church of Scientology. Listen from 12:55—15:34, starting with the "Cult of Personality", and how there's a "religious nature to them" (i.e the personalities).

He then goes on to distinguish between authoritarianism and totalitarianism, as totalitarianism seeks to control your mind in every way (Dolan's words), referring to Orwell's "Thought Crime" and "Wrong Think" (sound familiar?!) — and totalitarianism seeks to control the totality of your life.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8_hcZmU8yk

[justpeter]

I would like to address the statement that scientology tech "works". I think this statement is too much of a generality. For instance, I believe Bill Ryan has said in the past that he got gains from Dianetic "Book 1" auditing. Well, that's great but I have received over 50 hours of this type of auditing from an official scientology organization and I got nothing from it. I also know that the Dianetics book itself is full of lies about the (non-existent) research Hubbard did and his claims about the State of Clear, which doesn't actually exist. I also received hundreds of hours of scientology auditing up to and beyond the so-called State of Clear and I can tell you there are no Clears or OTs in scientology. Hubbard even backtracked on his claims about Clear in the book entitiled: "A Book Of Case Remedies".

I am not trying to negate any benefits anyone has had from auditing. I know the lower level processes can produce some "feel good" moments but I wouldn't like to see someone decide to go into a scientology org to try it for themselves after hearing someone say "the tech works".

[petra]

More recently, Leah Remini's "Scientology and the Aftermath" has awakened many people to the dangers of the cult of $cientology.


Myself included! I watched most of her documentary and she really captured my attention, it's all over TV here in Canada.
I watched a separate thing with her and J-Lo where she offhandedly remarked to J-Lo in front of the entire audience "you knew I used to be in a cult right?" (I'm paraphrasing)

[Bill Ryan]

I would like to address the statement that scientology tech "works". I think this statement is too much of a generality. For instance, I believe Bill Ryan has said in the past that he got gains from Dianetic "Book 1" auditing. Well, that's great but I have received over 50 hours of this type of auditing from an official scientology organization and I got nothing from it. I also know that the Dianetics book itself is full of lies about the (non-existent) research Hubbard did and his claims about the State of Clear, which doesn't actually exist. I also received hundreds of hours of scientology auditing up to and beyond the so-called State of Clear and I can tell you there are no Clears or OTs in scientology. Hubbard even backtracked on his claims about Clear in the book entitiled: "A Book Of Case Remedies".

I am not trying to negate any benefits anyone has had from auditing. I know the lower level processes can produce some "feel good" moments but I wouldn't like to see someone decide to go into a scientology org to try it for themselves after hearing someone say "the tech works".

Well, no-one should go into a Church of Scientology org for ANYTHING. :)

Yes, the tech works. Definitively and categorically. But it has to be done right.

Here's an analogy. Laser eye surgery works. But that has to be done right, too.

Or else, you just have to go back again and again and AGAIN to repair the damage caused by the last badly-done surgery.

And pay more and more money for it. That's WHY the 'Church' doesn't do it right. So you have to keep going back for more.
* Btw, I never did much Dianetics. My gains, which have been life-changing and life-enhancing to the degree that they're hard to describe, have all come from the Upper OT levels. The last 'OT level' delivered by the Church is nowhere near as far as there is to go. (The most valuable levels contain material the Church doesn't even know about.)

[TrumanCash]

I would like to address the statement that scientology tech "works". I think this statement is too much of a generality. For instance, I believe Bill Ryan has said in the past that he got gains from Dianetic "Book 1" auditing. Well, that's great but I have received over 50 hours of this type of auditing from an official scientology organization and I got nothing from it. I also know that the Dianetics book itself is full of lies about the (non-existent) research Hubbard did and his claims about the State of Clear, which doesn't actually exist. I also received hundreds of hours of scientology auditing up to and beyond the so-called State of Clear and I can tell you there are no Clears or OTs in scientology. Hubbard even backtracked on his claims about Clear in the book entitiled: "A Book Of Case Remedies".

I am not trying to negate any benefits anyone has had from auditing. I know the lower level processes can produce some "feel good" moments but I wouldn't like to see someone decide to go into a scientology org to try it for themselves after hearing someone say "the tech works".

Thanks for sharing your experience, justpeter. From my own experiences I agree with much you say. Something I noticed is that different people get different things from their experience with $cientology. I agree that the state of "clear" does not exist as Hubbard described it. The state of "OT" from my own memories and experience is a state that did exist in the past but I've never met anyone who could go out of body at will, be at total cause over the physical universe or achieve "total freedom" with $cientology as Hubbard claimed.

I was probably different than most people in that I only wanted to examine my own past lives and that's what interested me initially. And I did get that much out it in that I now know who I am as a spiritual being. I had been asking myself who I was since my childhood and what's really going on, so I got that question answered. I was also able to find out about my abductions by ETs and do a lot of research with regressions using basic techniques. I was also able to verify the accuracy of my memories with historical and archaeological research.

I no longer recommend the Dianetics books because of Hubbard's claims. Apparently, Hubbard got the "earlier, similar" incident technique from Freud. I found that technique immensely productive and revealing when working with abductees. But these basic regression techniques are really quite simple and can be learned in a weekend workshop without any reference to Hubbard or his false claims. I quit the OT levels because I found that they were not helpful for me. I did not gain any new spiritual/psychic abilities from my experience with $cientology that I didn't already have. It's different for everybody, though.

I don't mean to go off topic here but I think this phenomenon of no standard results from person to person and Hubbard's false claims regarding "clear" and "OT" are what has contributed to so many people leaving $cientology and actively exposing it now in this "war". It is also interesting to note that, ironically, the only violence and human rights violations that are being committed in this "war" comes from the so-called "church". How spiritual is that?

Jason Beghe talks about Hubbard's false claims about "clear" in this video which I think is one of the best ones out there:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHb0BZyF5Ok

[James Newell]

Bill is Right! Don't go the Church of Scientology for any auditing.

The tech works quite well delivered standardly.

As a high level tech datum states: There can be an infinity of wrongnesses around a rightness.

For people that get no gains from auditing I have found there are reasons for that. We won't go into reasons for that.

The books and tv shows get good exposure and interest doing their thing on Scientology and make lots of money. I have found that most of their data they put out is Off, or simply opinions and usually delivered with a bias. I knew Franks personally, he was a class A ahole, he had no tech training to speak of. Strangely enough a friend of mine recently said he got a person to audit from him. Go figure.

The reasons I left weren't from a tv show. It was for incorrect delivery of the tech and group exploitation.

Many take opinions as a fact and frankly it is a poor way to evaluate anything.

[Bill Ryan]

Jason Beghe talks about Hubbard's false claims about "clear" in this video which I think is one of the best ones out there:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHb0BZyF5Ok

Yes, I thought that was excellent, I have to say. I really enjoyed listening to him.

It's 100% definitely the case that Hubbard enormously over-egged the description of 'Clear' back in 1950 (and for a while thereafter). But it actually does mean something technically, though it's really just another step along the way: in fact rather a minor one in the big picture of the gains that CAN be achieved. (All stepping stones are important, though, when using them to cross a river!)

Regarding being disappointed by promises (and Hubbard is definitely guilty of making dangerously sky-high promises that were always likely to disappoint), it's all relative. It depends what one wants to address.

If one wants to be a superman (or -woman!), one might have to work quite hard on that for quite a long time. :) But if one wants to (say) eradicate some phobias, anxieties, and continually recurring everyday problems, then — in the right hands!! — that can most definitely be done long before one attests to a state of Clear.

In fact, Jason Beghe himself explains that his very biggest and most valuable win came to him on his very first morning there. But, listening to his very interesting personal story, after that there's every reason to conclude he was just very badly and continuously mishandled.

[TrumanCash]

This new video covers recent developments of $cientology's dirty tricks (i.e., "fair game" tactics) in Clearwater, Florida, attempts to derail a "Scientology and the Aftermath" TV episode, current investigation by Clearwater police into rapes by adult Sea Org members with subsequent "church" cover-up, false criminal charges filed against the Aftermath Foundation vice president Aaron Smith-Levin who appeared on the "Scientology and the Aftermath" series. The Aftermath Foundation helps people escape $cientology.

In spite of the seriousness of some of the subject matter, Aaron makes it entertaining.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbNK6YSW4Lg

Growing Up In Scientology
Published on Feb 18, 2019

I discuss recent fair game tactics Scientology had taken against me, the Aftermath Foundation and the "Scientology & the Aftermath" show. -- Aaron Smith-Levin
Twitter: @GrowingUpInSCN
Instagram: asmithlevin

Supporters of Leah Remini FB Group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/14012...

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www.TheAftermathFoundation.org
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[Denise/Dizi]

I agree that the state of "clear" does not exist as Hubbard described it. The state of "OT" from my own memories and experience is a state that did exist in the past but I've never met anyone who could go out of body at will, be at total cause over the physical universe or achieve "total freedom" with $cientology as Hubbard claimed.

WOW Truman. You just hit on something here that absolutely ties into my contact experiences.. I bet it is no coincidence as I absolutely WAS researching religions at the time, and Scientology came onto my radar. I do not know what Scientology is about but the things above that you dismiss? I EXPERIENCED... I believe this was a direct result of someone SHOWING ME, what we can achieve..

I was allowed to play with physical reality using nothing more than my mind alone. This is no joke. (I wil explain aside from this thread)... I have experienced this in the waking state, fully alert sober and very aware that I was being allowed to "TRY IT" .. Of course I had a guide helping to facilitate these things, so they made sure that whatever was "Morphed" as I will call it, was something that wasn't dangerous or in any way going to affect anything in a negative manner.. Harnessing your thoughts and intentions when doing this becomes PARAMOUNT..

My experiences came with NONE of the church behind it however. It was an et merely reaching out to me showing me what humans are truly capable of, if they can tap it. It was MIND BLOWING to be honest with you People CAN leave their bodies at will, and manipulate environments with mere thought alone. Of course I had some SERIOUS HELP when being shown this, I can't do it now..

With THEIR HELP , (The et, not the church, I know nothing of Scientolgy as a religion)..I was able to reach that state of "Clear" as you call it... and I was shown how important it is to be in that state, when messing with things that are PHYSICALLY going to change.. (I have proof that this happened. But no one else would understand just how MIND BOGGLING the photo is, or why it is so relevant, to them it may seem to be a coincidence.. ).. It is difficult to share those things because of how they presented, and I KNOW no one would believe me. So I gave up trying honestly. I was seeking enlightenment, they were not. The experience was not for them to experience.

All of those things above that you said we once had? WE STILL DO.. Tapping them is an entirely different story. I needed the help of an et to do it, but we ABSOLUTELY HAVE THIS ABILITY.. Staying in that place is the challenge.. I can't do it myself.. It is difficult to say the least.. When having my experiences, I was taught to meditate, to leave the body at will, and yes to even manipulate matter with my mind.. To say this was life changing is an understatement. Of course I can't do it now that they're not still dealing with me, but indeed I was allowed to "Go there"... That is still part of our capabilities, it just needs to be awakened.. In my case I am fairly certain those doors were deliberately shut so that I DIDN'T play with things I didn't understand, without supervision, and I am somewhat thankful for that. I was allowed to touch it, experience it, know that it is real, that truly was all I wanted..

Sorry if this is out of context for the thread, but it excited me to see someone talking about this specific thing... I couldn't help myself.

[Flash]

Not out of context at all imo.

I am just plainly eager and hopeful to one day reach that state. But I lack the discipline to control my mind perfectly and mostly to get rid of nefarious emotions and thoughts - one cannot have such powers if there are any remnants of hatred, jalousy, neurosis, etc in themselves. Otherwise we would end up being as bad as some higher levels controllers.





I agree that the state of "clear" does not exist as Hubbard described it. The state of "OT" from my own memories and experience is a state that did exist in the past but I've never met anyone who could go out of body at will, be at total cause over the physical universe or achieve "total freedom" with $cientology as Hubbard claimed.

WOW Truman. You just hit on something here that absolutely ties into my contact experiences.. I bet it is no coincidence as I absolutely WAS researching religions at the time, and Scientology came onto my radar. I do not know what Scientology is about but the things above that you dismiss? I EXPERIENCED... I believe this was a direct result of someone SHOWING ME, what we can achieve..

I was allowed to play with physical reality using nothing more than my mind alone. This is no joke. (I wil explain aside from this thread)... I have experienced this in the waking state, fully alert sober and very aware that I was being allowed to "TRY IT" .. Of course I had a guide helping to facilitate these things, so they made sure that whatever was "Morphed" as I will call it, was something that wasn't dangerous or in any way going to affect anything in a negative manner.. Harnessing your thoughts and intentions when doing this becomes PARAMOUNT..

My experiences came with NONE of the church behind it however. It was an et merely reaching out to me showing me what humans are truly capable of, if they can tap it. It was MIND BLOWING to be honest with you People CAN leave their bodies at will, and manipulate environments with mere thought alone. Of course I had some SERIOUS HELP when being shown this, I can't do it now..

With THEIR HELP , (The et, not the church, I know nothing of Scientolgy as a religion)..I was able to reach that state of "Clear" as you call it... and I was shown how important it is to be in that state, when messing with things that are PHYSICALLY going to change.. (I have proof that this happened. But no one else would understand just how MIND BOGGLING the photo is, or why it is so relevant, to them it may seem to be a coincidence.. ).. It is difficult to share those things because of how they presented, and I KNOW no one would believe me. So I gave up trying honestly. I was seeking enlightenment, they were not. The experience was not for them to experience.

All of those things above that you said we once had? WE STILL DO.. Tapping them is an entirely different story. I needed the help of an et to do it, but we ABSOLUTELY HAVE THIS ABILITY.. Staying in that place is the challenge.. I can't do it myself.. It is difficult to say the least.. When having my experiences, I was taught to meditate, to leave the body at will, and yes to even manipulate matter with my mind.. To say this was life changing is an understatement. Of course I can't do it now that they're not still dealing with me, but indeed I was allowed to "Go there"... That is still part of our capabilities, it just needs to be awakened.. In my case I am fairly certain those doors were deliberately shut so that I DIDN'T play with things I didn't understand, without supervision, and I am somewhat thankful for that. I was allowed to touch it, experience it, know that it is real, that truly was all I wanted..

Sorry if this is out of context for the thread, but it excited me to see someone talking about this specific thing... I couldn't help myself.

[Denise/Dizi]

One day I would like to get to talk to Bill for a few minutes, and ask him to tell me what he believes "Auditing" to be.. It sounds similar to what I experienced... Or partly...

[Gracy]

My gains, which have been life-changing and life-enhancing to the degree that they're hard to describe, have all come from the Upper OT levels. The last 'OT level' delivered by the Church is nowhere near as far as there is to go. (The most valuable levels contain material the Church doesn't even know about.)

Hello dearest Bill, and i just have to start with thank you thank you thank for all you have done for this forum, and this community, and for opening yourself up to answer all these questions!

I have 2 myself. 1. I have been interested in scientology for some time now, have read bits and pieces of dianetics, but like you didn't really get all that much from it. What would you recommend someone new ike me starting with?

2. What OT level have you gotten to? Is starting out at middle age too old to really get very far? and is it expensive?


:flower:

Edit: my apologies if this should have been posted in the question thread.

[Bill Ryan]

One day I would like to get to talk to Bill for a few minutes, and ask him to tell me what he believes "Auditing" to be.. It sounds similar to what I experienced... Or partly...

Well, we can talk about all this at the Laughlin meetup (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105631-An-Avalon-Conference-31-March-2-April-2019), if anyone's interested. The word 'auditing' is one of many specific terms that Hubbard coined, and it simply means 'listening'.

The auditing process is a structured question-and-answer procedure. That's all. If done right, it's interesting, helpful, and occasionally life-changing. It doesn't have to use the e-meter (which shows areas of emotional charge, attention or interest), but the e-meter often helps the auditor to fine-tune the questions.

The session continues until an emotional release is obtained, together with a sense of new understanding of the particular issue being addressed, which might be anything between 5 minutes and a couple of hours.

That's what auditing is. :)

[Bill Ryan]

My gains, which have been life-changing and life-enhancing to the degree that they're hard to describe, have all come from the Upper OT levels. The last 'OT level' delivered by the Church is nowhere near as far as there is to go. (The most valuable levels contain material the Church doesn't even know about.)

Hello dearest Bill, and i just have to start with thank you thank you thank for all you have done for this forum, and this community, and for opening yourself up to answer all these questions!

I have 2 myself. 1. I have been interested in scientology for some time now, have read bits and pieces of dianetics, but like you didn't really get all that much from it. What would you recommend someone new ike me starting with?

2. What OT level have you gotten to? Is starting out at middle age too old to really get very far? and is it expensive?


:flower:

Edit: my apologies if this should have been posted in the question thread.

(note: yes, this, and Dizi's post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38239-How-the-Church-of-Scientology-declares-war-on-ex-members&p=1276663&viewfull=1#post1276663), might possibly better belong on this thread (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?59276-Q-and-A-about-Ron-Hubbard-Bill-Robertson-Scientology-the-Free-Zone-and-Ron-s-Org).)

1) Well, I never said I 'didn't really get all that much from it'! I got huge, huge amounts. But I simply never did much Dianetics, instead working with other Scientology material.

Some people will get huge benefits from Dianetics, and others may not. Like a diet, or nutrition regime (or healing regime of any kind!), what's best for one person might not be what's best for another.

One can't be formulaic about this stuff. That's really important to understand. It has to be expertly evaluated and prescribed, and each person is different.

2) I've completed SOL 1, which (depending on how you count them) is something like 4 levels beyond OT16.

Costs in the independent field are a tiny fraction of the insane, extortionate amounts charged by the Church. And it's definitely never too late to start. One thing Hubbard was right about is that (my paraphrase!) any auditing gains you obtain in this life are carried forward (by you!) into the next one. You take them with you, as a spiritual being.

A simple example. If one has a fear of heights, and it's discovered that that was because one slipped off the edge of a cliff in a previous life, and that incident is audited and erased, then the fear of heights is gone. And it won't be there in your next life, either, because it was you as a spiritual being that slipped off the cliff... not the body you have at the moment.

[Denise/Dizi]

One day I would like to get to talk to Bill for a few minutes, and ask him to tell me what he believes "Auditing" to be.. It sounds similar to what I experienced... Or partly...

Well, we can talk about all this at the Laughlin meetup (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?105631-An-Avalon-Conference-31-March-2-April-2019), if anyone's interested. The word 'auditing' is one of many specific terms that Hubbard coined, and it simply means 'listening'.

The auditing process is a structured question-and-answer procedure. That's all. If done right, it's interesting, helpful, and occasionally life-changing. It doesn't have to use the e-meter (which shows areas of emotional charge, attention or interest), but the e-meter often helps the auditor to fine-tune the questions.

The session continues until an emotional release is obtained, together with a sense of new understanding of the particular issue being addressed, which might be anything between 5 minutes and a couple of hours.

That's what auditing is. :)

Thank you for that offer Bill, I certainly appreciate it. And while I will not monopolize you in Laughlin, I certainly would love to talk to you about this there, if there is a free moment..

And THANK YOU for telling me what Auditing is.. I had no idea. As I read this thread I now have a better idea of what it is that you folks are discussing.. I appreciate that..

I suppose in many ways I WAS "Audited" only rather than doing so, using any technology, or hoping for an emotional response, (mine was all telepathic), and really very different in a very profound way. It was loving and nurturing.. Not at all, the sense of what I am finding here in the threads about Scientology, and not only that, it was far more involved than merely talking and having someone listen.. then gauging responses with technology.

I bet you know absolutely know what I am suggesting, as your posts almost indicate that you too, have experienced what I am trying to hint at.. And you can understand why I have a difficult time describing it in a few words.

And I would tend to agree, there is NO WAY the CHURCH even has access to THAT kind of auditing..

(Thank you for guiding us to a thread that better suits our particular questions.. I would not have replied here had I seen that before I wrote it out.. I knew my questions were out of context but did not know there was another thread)

[TomKat]

I have been interested in scientology for some time now, have read bits and pieces of dianetics, but like you didn't really get all that much from it. What would you recommend someone new ike me starting with?


Gracy, you should start with the book Self-Analysis but see if you can find it somewhere besides the church. Once they get your contact info, you will be hounded for the rest of your life no matter where you move to.

[Bill Ryan]

From https://tonyortega.org/2019/06/18/church-of-scientology-and-david-miscavige-sued-for-abuse-by-major-legal-players

Church of Scientology and David Miscavige sued for abuse by major legal players
18 June, 2019

We’re posting this press release in its entirety. We heard something like this was coming, and we have reason to believe there is more on the way…

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Church of Scientology and Leader David Miscavige Sued for Abuse, Human Trafficking, and Intimidation of Former Member


Attorneys representing Jane Doe filed the first of multiple lawsuits to hold the Church of Scientology accountable for its extensive history of alleged abuse including its “Fair Game” policy that demands members destroy, by any means necessary, anyone who speaks out against the abuses committed within the Church.

LOS ANGELES (June 18, 2019) – Today, attorneys representing Jane Doe, a former member of the Church of Scientology, filed a lawsuit in Los Angeles, Calif., alleging years of heinous abuse, human trafficking, and intimidation by members including David Miscavige, the de facto leader of the Church of Scientology. Jane Doe worked within Scientology for years, including directly for Miscavige.

The complaint filed in the case details Scientology’s disturbing practices including rampant child abuse, exploitative commercial practices, horrific forced labor, and the devastating policies that seek to destroy families and escaped former members. This includes the official “Fair Game” policy which tells members to attack, injure, harass, embarrass, and destroy anyone who chooses to speak out against the Church of Scientology and Miscavige.

Jane Doe was born into Scientology. The complaint alleges that beginning at age six, Doe was subjected to constant interrogation, abuse, harassment, and indoctrination by the Church of Scientology and its members. Doe alleges that she was forced to work under inhumane conditions for little pay in various para-military branches of Scientology pursuant to the “billion-year contract” she was forced to sign. Doe, while working directly for the hostile Miscavige, observed him assault and orchestrate attacks on other members. She was subject to solitary confinement and threats. Doe was threatened with “disconnection,” where the Church of Scientology instructs its members, including family and friends, to shun an escaped Scientologist. She ultimately escaped Scientology in 2017. After she left, Doe states that after speaking out against Scientology, she was subjected to persistent public attacks, which included innumerable false statements published online and on social media.

Attorney Brian Kent of Laffey, Bucci & Kent, LLP said, “Scientology for decades has sought to quash dissention, cover up its long history of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse of its members, including its most vulnerable members, its children, and weaponize its doctrine against those who escape and find the courage to speak up. This is just the beginning and we are not going to stop until they do.”

“There is no religious liberty defense for harming others,” said Marci Hamilton, University of Pennsylvania Professor and CEO and Academic Director of CHILD USA. “The CSI believers have the right to believe anything they want. But they cannot do whatever they want. This lawsuit continues the important work of the #MeToo era to bring institutions and individuals to account for child abuse, trafficking, and neglect.”

Doe is represented by victims’ attorneys (who have represented victims of abuse within Penn State University, the Catholic Church, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, and others) including Philadelphia attorneys Brian Kent, Gaetano D’Andrea, Stewart Ryan, and Lauren Stram of Laffey, Bucci & Kent, LLP, Marci Hamilton of CHILD USA, Jeffrey Fritz of Soloff & Zervanos, P.C., and California attorney Bobby Thompson of Thompson Law Offices, P.C.

Anyone with information about The Church of Scientology or who has information about victimization within Scientology can call the law firm’s hotline at 855-382-3385.

Laffey, Bucci & Kent, LLP is a personal injury law firm representing individuals seriously injured due to the negligence of others. The firm represents people who have been catastrophically injured in construction accidents and at work, in auto accidents and as a result of defective products. The Philadelphia lawyers also have a long history of representing sexual assault, sexual abuse and crime victims in civil actions. For more information, go to www.laffeybuccikent.com (http://www.laffeybuccikent.com).

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And here’s the complaint. Let’s devour it…

https://scribd.com/document/413784060/Jane-Doe-vs-Church-of-Scientology (https://www.scribd.com/document/413784060/Jane-Doe-vs-Church-of-Scientology#from_embed)

Well, it’s really not very clear to us why they are using “Jane Doe” in this case, when the fact that it’s Valerie Haney they’re talking about is more than obvious. And Valerie was the featured character on a nationally-televised broadcast under her own name.

Of course it was Valerie who was David Miscavige’s steward and ultimately escaped from Int Base by hiding in the back of a car.

We had a really interesting interview with her (https://tonyortega.org/2018/11/30/the-valerie-haney-interview-scientology-smear-tactics-and-where-shelly-miscavige-is/), the only one she’s given since her appearance on Leah’s show.

Also, the lawsuit is not alleging any sexual crimes. So we’re not going to pretend that we don’t know that Jane Doe is really Valerie Haney.

Her story is electric. And she’s a fighter. We’re really looking forward to seeing how this lawsuit unfolds. And, prepare yourself for several more that are coming.

https://tonyortega.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/Valerie_Haney6a-e1543561830766.jpg

This lawsuit was filed in the same courthouse, Los Angeles Superior Court, that Laura DeCrescenzo wrestled with for nine years before getting a huge settlement from Scientology, and for many similar allegations.

So keep in mind that Scientology will probably throw the same kinds of exasperating delaying tactics and dishonest strategies at this and the other lawsuits that are coming.

On the other hand, the legal team that has been assembled here is truly extraordinary. Let’s go through some of them.

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M. Stewart Ryan

Can you say Cosby prosecutor?

M. Stewart Ryan was an assistant district attorney who prosecuted Bill Cosby for sexual assault in Pennsylvania, resulting in a conviction and prison time. Ryan left that position last year to join one of the law firms that has filed the new suit against Scientology.

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Guy D’Andrea

Guy D’Andrea is a former New Jersey prosecutor who, in 2015, got a conviction against the “Philadelphia Craigslist killer,” who had shot a man showing up for an ad about an ATV.

Brian Kent was previously a prosecutor in the Sex Crimes Unit for Pennsylvania’s Montgomery County District Attorney’s Office. He made national news two years ago for cases of sexual abuse located at “Massage Envy” parlors in Florida, and after he took on the cases of multiple women, a perpetrator was arrested and prosecuted.

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Marci Hamilton

Marci Hamilton is a constitutional scholar at the University of Pennsylvania who, in 2016, founded CHILD USA, which advocates for issues on child abuse.

[Bill Ryan]

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An opportunity to bump this interesting thread with some thoughts I found myself with today.

I watched Louis Theroux's My Scientology Movie (http://avalonlibrary.net/My_Scientology_Movie_(2015).mp4) again. Here it is:

http://avalonlibrary.net/My_Scientology_Movie_(2015).mp4

I do think it's the best, and most informative, of the bunch of documentaries that have been made about the Church of Scientology. It even shows a very simple auditing (counseling) session, and also some of the TRs ("Training Routines") — explaining in basic terms how it all works — which none of the other documentaries go into.

Most interestingly of all for me, it shows ex-Church deputy CEO [my equivalent term] Mark 'Marty' Rathbun looking and behaving exactly like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet with PTSD. Watching him closely is why I wanted to see the film again.

Theroux tells Joe Rogan in this podcast (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXyS-74sRTE) he'd filmed enough material for 5 documentaries, and of course there will have been a great deal of editing. But Rathbun doesn't come over as solid and stable at all. In fact, the total opposite.

Two years after the film was made, Rathbun made a series of videos (https://www.youtube.com/user/sthtexlensman/videos) viciously criticizing everyone who had, like him, left the 'Church' — even those who were close friends, some of whom had supported him with quite a lot of money when he really needed it. It shocked many, and was truly hard to understand. He seemed to be speaking from a VERY 'Church'-like script. A lot of people who knew him called it a 180º turn.

Many, including myself, became convinced that Rathbun had taken a pay-off from the Church, something far from impossible. That's happened with other disaffected critics quite a few times. To refer back to Theroux's film, one can see how Rathbun's evident on-camera instability would have made him easy prey for the 'Church' to throw a bunch of money at him — and for him to take the deal.

The entire thing is Shakespearean. Here's Rathbun, like the 'Underboss' in a Mafia family (i.e. second only to the Boss), who suddenly flips and flees, then laying low for several years. Some even think he is dead.

Eventually, others who have 'escaped' make contact with him and he agrees to co-operate with making several public statements, including featuring in Alex Gibney's Going Clear (sftp://bill_avlib:@avalonlibrary.net/Going_Clear_Scientology_and_the_Prison_of_Belief.mp4). But Theroux's film is his most significant self-portrayal, with Rathbun all the time coming over as more and more disturbed. (This is not a cheap criticism. Any Mafioso Underboss has blood on his hands, so PTSD could be easily understood.)

Then he turns on every one of his new friends, and finally goes silent. One suspects that among all the people involved in this protracted and extremely complicated story, Rathbun might be one of the most tortured souls.

[justpeter]

Yes, I agree about Marty but there is more to his story. Just before he made those strange videos he and his wife were involved in a long-running court case where his wife was suing the CofS for harrassment. The CofS had been fair-gaming the Rathbuns because Marty was speaking out against them and the Rathbuns decided to fight back through the courts.

The CofS did what they usually do when involved in a court case - they used high-powered lawyers to drag it out for as long as possible in the hope that their opponents run out of money. Then, all of a sudden, the Rathbuns ditched the case and blamed their lawyers. Thus their lawyers didn't get paid as they were working on the basis that they would receive payment upon successful completion of the case.

Very soon after, Marty started producing these videos where he seemed to be defending the CofS and slamming the critics of the CofS.

Of course he doesn't admit to being paid-off but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation. The CofS would much prefer to end a case like this where their opponents' lawyers don't get paid and also no judgement is made against the CofS.

Anyway, whatever happened, Marty has lost a lot of friends over this.

[TomKat]

Yes, I agree about Marty but there is more to his story. Just before he made those strange videos he and his wife were involved in a long-running court case where his wife was suing the CofS for harrassment. The CofS had been fair-gaming the Rathbuns because Marty was speaking out against them and the Rathbuns decided to fight back through the courts.

The CofS did what they usually do when involved in a court case - they used high-powered lawyers to drag it out for as long as possible in the hope that their opponents run out of money. Then, all of a sudden, the Rathbuns ditched the case and blamed their lawyers. Thus their lawyers didn't get paid as they were working on the basis that they would receive payment upon successful completion of the case.

Very soon after, Marty started producing these videos where he seemed to be defending the CofS and slamming the critics of the CofS.

Of course he doesn't admit to being paid-off but there doesn't seem to be any other explanation. The CofS would much prefer to end a case like this where their opponents' lawyers don't get paid and also no judgement is made against the CofS.

Anyway, whatever happened, Marty has lost a lot of friends over this.

Jon Zegel, whose audio tapes hugely influenced the "great schism" of the 1980s, made one last audio tape -- a pro-Church of Scientology tape. This was after some kind of legal tangle with the CofS. I remember the audio was slightly speeded up, perhaps to make it sound more enthusiastic.

[TomKat]

Most interestingly of all for me, it shows ex-Church deputy CEO [my equivalent term] Mark 'Marty' Rathbun looking and behaving exactly like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet with PTSD. Watching him closely is why I wanted to see the film again.


He also looks like a walking "missed withhold" (guilty conscience) and someone with a lot of "ev purps" (evil purposes, which were supposed to have been erased in expanded Dianetics).

[Bill Ryan]

Most interestingly of all for me, it shows ex-Church deputy CEO [my equivalent term] Mark 'Marty' Rathbun looking and behaving exactly like a shell-shocked Vietnam vet with PTSD. Watching him closely is why I wanted to see the film again.


He also looks like a walking "missed withhold" (guilty conscience) and someone with a lot of "ev purps" (evil purposes, which were supposed to have been erased in expanded Dianetics).Yes, he really does. He's not in good shape.

But that can be understood and empathized with. :flower: Many people who were in the Church and who left even many years ago are still carrying around a great deal of strong feeling, confusion, and emotional charge that's never been handled to this day.

[onawah]

Probably what is a little known bit of information about Hubbard is revealed in Dark Journalist's latest entry, starting at 12 minutes in here:
k4GtJ7D-e3M
Also posted here:
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1332004&viewfull=1#post1332004

[Bill Ryan]

Probably what is a little known bit of information about Hubbard is revealed in Dark Journalist's latest entry, starting at 12 minutes in here:
k4GtJ7D-e3M

That's very, very interesting. Whatever Caddy says can certainly be taken to the bank.

It's only a brief section, starting at 12:22, and refers to how CIA asset Robert Merritt was given an assignment to get close to Hubbard via a honeytrap (another CIA asset, a "beautiful girl from Georgia") who was set up to have a sexual relationship with him — which all worked as planned for a 6 month period after which "the assignment was completed".

This seems to at least partly correlate with this, a little-known report that suggests that after that time, Hubbard was never the same again.


http://freezone.de/english/Chronology/LRH-miss_10-Months/lrh-miss_10-months.htm




Hubbard's Missing 10 Months


On 4 December 1972, L. Ron Hubbard was abducted by agents of the United States government when the plane he was traveling on from Lisbon landed in New York City. Jim Dincalci - a former nurse - and Paul Preston - a former Green Beret - were the only two people with him when it occurred.

LRH was "gone" for ten months, until mid-September 1973 when he "returned" to Flag.

It is Dincalci's testimony that during this MISSING TEN MONTHS, LRH was "hiding out" in Queens, New York - with only Dincalci and Preston as witnesses - and that during this period LRH purportedly wrote the project that launched "Snow White." [The Church's planned infiltration of the FBI, which was later busted and resulted in 11 senior scientologists going to prison, including Mary Sue Hubbard, Hubbard's wife.]

It is unknown whether LRH was replaced by a "ringer" during that ten months, or was PDHed [brainwashed by Pain-Drug-Hypnosis] and made dependent on pharmaceuticals. What is known is that after his "return," he was never remotely the same, that he never again gave another extemporaneous lecture (which he had done for the twenty-two years prior), and that he never personally wrote another Scientology book.

[onawah]

I've shared Bill's post above here: http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?102135-Dark-Journalist-Joseph-Farrell-UFO-X-Factor-Black-Budget-Secret-Space-Network-16-March-2018&p=1332072&viewfull=1#post1332072

[James Newell]

It is always possible they got a "ringer" to substitute for LRH. It could of occurred several times.
I do know of people that did get trained by LRH personally in 1975. He did a series of lectures in fine form back then.

I do know a person that took care of LRH in the early 80's to mid 80's. She thought she was taking care of LRH. She would have dinner with him often.
I do know that the IRS still thought he was alive. I saw a refund check from the IRS made out to LRH.

But I also know that many agencies were VERY interested in him. It doesn't matter much really. The tech works extremely well. Some groups make it a policy to shut off the tech at 1980, I don't. I have audited both ways. Prior to 1980 and after and I find the later tech more accurate and faster.

The organization got much more suppressive in the early 1980's, under Miscaviage's rule, and is basically a cult now. Not any better than any other religion or new age group on the planet.

So far I haven't been been hassled too much from the current church, being a highly trained OT that is still quite active auditing. If they do I'll get quite active and make a lot of noise on tv shows or something. And of course play the legal game with them. They hold a poor deck of cards actually.

[Bill Ryan]

It is always possible they got a "ringer" to substitute for LRH.After I wrote my last post above (http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38239-How-the-Church-of-Scientology-declares-war-on-ex-members&p=1332027&viewfull=1#post1332027), I watched this video. It's an interesting interview with Janis Gillham Grady, who's written two books (and nearly finished a third) about her fascinating experiences working extremely closely and personally with Hubbard over a number of years in the 1970s.

Ron Miscavige (the show host, and David Miscavige's father) asks Janis at 25:22 whether Hubbard could possibly have been replaced. Janis emphatically states that didn't happen — at least, not when Hubbard was in the US before he returned to the ship.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuSsXs4ENQA
(Janis's two excellent books (https://www.amazon.com/Janis-Gillham-Grady/e/B074B9N4D9)) —>

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[wegge]

Peter Moon is also about to release a new book on the topic.

„L. Ron Hubbard - The Tao of Insanity“

I remember reading some early pages, something that Hubbard might have had an stint in some psychiatric facility even before Scientology started. But that’s just a shot from memory, yet I think it will have a new angle.

Description from Peter Moon:

L. RON HUBBARD — The Tao of Insanity
by Peter Moon
For over a half century, countless people have suffered severe misadventures after encountering the mysterious legacy of L. Ron Hubbard and his ever puzzling brain- child: Scientology, a subject that continues to intrigue, baffle and perplex the public as well as the many critics it has attracted. The only way something can remain so persistently mysterious and powerful is that the underlying occult factors beneath it are not understood. Once they are understood, it will no longer be a puzzle. L. RON HUB- BARD — THE TAO OF INSANITY imparts a major paradigm shift as it delves deeply into the hidden underpinnings of this man and his mission to reveal deeper insights into the rich tapestry he operated in that put him at the center of so much intrigue that surrounded key players in the military industrial complex such as Robert Heinlein, Jack Parsons, and Marjorie Cameron and the occult imprint that was placed upon them all. It is an imprint, however, that if truly understood, conveys an unrelenting hope and promise that is a constituent part of all life.

[Bill Ryan]

Peter Moon is also about to release a new book on the topic.

"L. Ron Hubbard - The Tao of Insanity“

That's very interesting. Peter Moon's real name is Vince Barbaric, and he was on the Apollo, in the Sea Org, when LRH was there. He wrote about the whole thing in his book The Montauk Book of the Dead (https://www.amazon.com/Montauk-Book-Dead-Moon-Peter/dp/0967816238).

That was a terrible title! (And a terrible book cover. :) ) But the book itself is excellent, a biographical account of his time in scientology.

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[wegge]

@Bill

Yes I read it when you suggested it like 8 years ago, it was an amazing inside look.
And what an intense real name, thanks for sharing!

I have to say I admire Peter, he’s a real adventure hunter.
He has been around 12 times to Romania, which is the place his latest book series centers around.

Are you aware of any things going on in Romania, Bill? Like the mysteries surrounding their Sphinx and possible underground paths and much more?

Here is Peter‘s recent newsletter from today, which mentions the Hubbard book project and several others: https://s3.amazonaws.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/sites/1619/downloads/zt7vDLBkQVyAuNP8Eadb_Winter_20_e-version_version_A.pdf

[Anka]

As far as I know related to Peter Moon’s work regarding Projections Hall beneath Bucegi Mountains,most of his informations came from Romanian writer Radu Cinamar of which you are familiar,but going deeper,this could be a story stretched back to the ‘70s,when the late dowser Vasile Rudan,initiatied a group of gifted children with special abilities.All gone well until Romania leadership of that time found out about his work and ask him to create a department of extrasensory people.
In time,things became so messy and “accidents” happen in such manner that the same Romanian leadership decided to close this department as Vasile Rudan stated.
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mixdecultura.ro%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F08%2FVasile-Rudan.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

If this was only a diversion of him to cover the activity of Department Zero or not,I don’t know.Other interesting informations about the subject could be also found at Gen. Emil Strainu
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-TjiJo1T1Oi4%2FU2DKH19lCkI%2FAAAAAAAAFbM%2FDGk4cnuOHJU%2Fw1200-h630-p-k-no-nu%2Femil_strainu_78110405bb.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

and/or Iuri Floroiu
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Altough if someone would try to understand what exactly really mean what’s beneath Bucegi Mountains,should find the truth in Romanian myths,legends,strange writtings emedded in stones,ruined megalithic structures and available historic sources,regarding Luana’s Country,Ceahlau Mountain,Retezat Mountain,Bicaz Lake,some caves in Dobrogea,Hyperboreeans and Pelasgians,gugulan community from Caras-Severin county or other interesting places in Romania which,not only from my point of view,are a lot of them.

Leaving a side political,economic,cultural,religious and other possible interest /implications, we always find in these myths and legends a small piece of truth.

[wegge]

https://s3.amazonaws.com/kajabi-storefronts-production/sites/1619/downloads/oSNfb226T8is6PEMHMuD_Chapter_1.pdf

That‘s the first Chapter of Peter Moon‘s new book on Hubbard, which seems to be released next week.

Chapter is titled the Funny Farm

[James Newell]

I have read the 1st chapter of Moon's book, and it got my attention. I may give Peter a comm, I like guys like this.

LRH talks a bit about his travels in Asia in his tapes and weaves it in and out while giving tech datums on the mind and spirit. Real Scientology training was never boring, until Miscavaige came in.

What Hubbard thought of mysticism, and people he met in Asia as a kid, he talks often how he studied it in the training tapes lectures and some of his books:" If you want to get real sadistic, just get mystic." quote, Route to infinity lecture series, I guess he learned something with his stint with Parsons.

Hubbard was always saying that his opinions are his but the tech was not his opinions. He always stressed he tried to separate himself from the tech research. The tech as far as I can observe still works quite well after applying it faithfully since 1974.

The data in his basic books are still word for word some of the most important data mankind has had to date.

[TomKat]

I have read the 1st chapter of Moon's book, and it got my attention. I may give Peter a comm, I like guys like this.

LRH talks a bit about his travels in Asia in his tapes and weaves it in and out while giving tech datums on the mind and spirit. Real Scientology training was never boring, until Miscavaige came in.

What Hubbard thought of mysticism, and people he met in Asia as a kid, he talks often how he studied it in the training tapes lectures and some of his books:" If you want to get real sadistic, just get mystic." quote, Route to infinity lecture series, I guess he learned something with his stint with Parsons.

Hubbard was always saying that his opinions are his but the tech was not his opinions. He always stressed he tried to separate himself from the tech research. The tech as far as I can observe still works quite well after applying it faithfully since 1974.

The data in his basic books are still word for word some of the most important data mankind has had to date.

Who does the Church of Scientology hate more than the "squirrels?" People like James, delivering "standard tech" outside of the Church (not that I believe in standard tech any more).

[TomKat]

The original OT levels did and do still work. If you compare them with the later versions, you'll notice that the abilities gained and inabilities lost are not even comparable

The original OT levels were nothing like the later ones. The later ones were "negative gain," that is, erasing obstacles. The earlier ones were far more interesting and practical but, alas, did not deliver anything beyond fleeting glimpses of "super powers." I noticed quite a difference between the early and later OTs. The early OTs had done a lot more "clearing" (power, R6ew) than the later Dianetic Clears who did the later OT levels.

As to Class 8, that was, according to John McMaster, an effort by Hubbard to brainwash the top practitioners into becoming less creative, more robotic, in their practice of scientology. Before I even met McMaster, I was always struck by how creative Class 6 graduates were with scientology, as opposed to the Class 8s, who are all about "standard tech."

[TomKat]

[QUOTE]What I've found is that the later OT levels would not have been necessary if people had completed OT 3. All the negative case gain that people got from the later levels would have already been done if Dianetics and not NED had been in use, which then, they could have worked on straight case-gain on the proceeding original levels 4-7 (in the positive sense of ability).
If the last 50 years have taught us anything, it's that no one ever completes OT3.

[TomKat]

The common quote we hear about a Class VIII, is that they have been trained to: the "definite level or degree of quality, which is proper and adequate for a specific purpose". Class VIII's (and anyone for that matter) have the freedom to use what they know, by just this phrase of standardized application. All this means is that a person going by the idea of standard tech is someone who brings forth the most maximum benefits for a person they are trying to help, with the most relevancy to their case; while adhering to the subjects, Dianetics and Scientology.

Or maybe just thinks they are achieving that? Let's face it, Scientology is a self-validating belief system box with all exits sealed. Standard tech requires a Standard Client. When the highly esteemed "standard tech" fails, of course, it's the client's fault.

[Bill Ryan]

What I've found is that the later OT levels would not have been necessary if people had completed OT 3. All the negative case gain that people got from the later levels would have already been done if Dianetics and not NED had been in use, which then, they could have worked on straight case-gain on the proceeding original levels 4-7 (in the positive sense of ability).If the last 50 years have taught us anything, it's that no one ever completes OT3.Well, maybe not in the Church. I completed OT3 in about a week or so at the AAC in Edinburgh in 1986, under Mike Wray as Senior C/S there. I never looked back on that. I then did OT5 for maybe 20-30 hours, and after that went straight on to Bill Robertson's Excalibur which took a further 3 months or so. Everything worked perfectly.

[Gracy]

I completed OT3 in about a week or so at the AAC in Edinburgh in 1986, under Mike Wray as Senior C/S there. I never looked back on that. I then did OT5 for maybe 20-30 hours, and after that went straight on to Bill Robertson's Excalibur which took a further 3 months or so. Everything worked perfectly.

Two quick questions Bill. How many OT levels have you completed, and how many are available?

[Bill Ryan]

I completed OT3 in about a week or so at the AAC in Edinburgh in 1986, under Mike Wray as Senior C/S there. I never looked back on that. I then did OT5 for maybe 20-30 hours, and after that went straight on to Bill Robertson's Excalibur which took a further 3 months or so. Everything worked perfectly.

Two quick questions Bill. How many OT levels have you completed, and how many are available?The answers aren't as quick as the questions! :)

My last completed level was what's called 'SOL 1'. But the OT nomenclature can be a little misleading.

In Ron's Org (the Bridge continuation as developed by Bill Robertson), the OT levels continue linearly to OT16, but OT 4, 5, 6, and 7 are omitted. One goes straight from OT3 to OT8, which is usually called 'Excalibur'. This is NOT the same as the OT8 in the Church, which Ron's Org ignores.

At OT16, there's a numerical discontinuity, and the next level after that is OT34. But at that point, the levels are almost always referred to by their names, not the numbers. So we have:

OT34-40 = The Games Master Course
OT41 = The Games Series Course
OT42 = The Games Basics Course
OT43 = SOL 1 (which is the last level I completed)
OT44 = SOL 2
OT45 = SOL 3
OT46 = SOL 4
OT47 = VAST
OT48 = VAST Plus.

The Games Master Course isn't really a 'course' (though there's a lot of new information to learn about): it's really a series of auditing programs that all together constitute probably the most major level on the Ron's Org Bridge. It typically takes about 18 months to complete (and that's the auditing, not the training). Most people who complete that regard it as a life-changer, the most significant on the Bridge. (It was for me.)

[TomKat]

What I've found is that the later OT levels would not have been necessary if people had completed OT 3. All the negative case gain that people got from the later levels would have already been done if Dianetics and not NED had been in use, which then, they could have worked on straight case-gain on the proceeding original levels 4-7 (in the positive sense of ability).If the last 50 years have taught us anything, it's that no one ever completes OT3.Well, maybe not in the Church. I completed OT3 in about a week or so at the AAC in Edinburgh in 1986, under Mike Wray as Senior C/S there. I never looked back on that. I then did OT5 for maybe 20-30 hours, and after that went straight on to Bill Robertson's Excalibur which took a further 3 months or so. Everything worked perfectly.

If it's dealing with entities, it's still OT3.

[Bill Ryan]

Tom, if I'm not mistaken, there are many more things dealt with after Excalibur that is more encompassing than entity handling.Yes, I can confirm that. One sometimes addresses other beings of various kinds, but none of them are 'entities'. Entity handling in the 'OT3' sense is all over after Excalibur.

[Faylin]

"Ive never met anyone who didn't have a bad opinion on scientology."

I'm not sure as to the validity of the comments made about an Illuminati infiltration. Many point out the bavarian illuminati as the original illuminati but the illuminati actually began in the enlightenment era. Many members of scientology or even independant scientologist have been invited to join many illuminati factions over the years.

The story I heard was that the church of scientology and it's sciences were a collection of sciences that were known by enlightenment era groups like the illuminati and that the church of scientology was in actuality the illuminati schooling branch.

[Bill Ryan]

Many members of scientology or even independant scientologist have been invited to join many illuminati factions over the years.Thanks... I'd be interested to know where you heard that from!

I don't know a single person in the Church. But over the years I've known a great many independent scientologists in quite a few countries, and I've never heard a story like that about anyone, from anyone.

[TomKat]

Many members of scientology or even independant scientologist have been invited to join many illuminati factions over the years.Thanks... I'd be interested to know where you heard that from!

I don't know a single person in the Church. But over the years I've known a great many independent scientologists in quite a few countries, and I've never heard a story like that about anyone, from anyone.

I doubt an illuminati connection to Scientology, but I wouldn't rule out a Vatican (who control the illuminati) connection. Supposedly the Vatican takes over all religions.

I believe the only real connection to the illuminati is L Ron Hubbard's work with OTO magician Jack Parsons in the late 1940s, before he founded Scientology. It seems nowadays that the OTO is held in higher regard in Illuminati circles, but back then, it was very avant garde. The OTO was Crowley's rogue spin-off of the more respectable Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn. Hubbard extended Crowley's somewhat scientific approach to mysticism and blended it with psychology.

[Bluegreen]

Mr Scilon:
"Well, Mr Burroughs, now that you've gone Clear I'm sure you'll want to sign up for this next course on the Bridge To Total Freedom!"

Mr Burroughs:
"I don't think so."


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. . . . . . . ."Yesireebob I know of no better agent in dealing with them pesky Scilon varmints ..."

[Bluegreen]

Ex-Members Declare War On the Church of Scientology

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Debbie Cook

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Ron DeWolf (L Ron Hubbard Jr)

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[TomKat]

Trial of alleged celebrity rapist Danny Masterson exposes Scientology practices to court scrutiny.

The LA Times has long been the top reporter of Scientology news. Well maybe the St. Petersburg Times gives it a run for its money.

https://news.yahoo.com/scientologys-secrets-spill-open-danny-150019818.html

Scientology's secrets spill into open in Danny Masterson rape case

James Queally, Matthew Ormseth
Thu, May 27, 2021, 11:00 AM

Actor Danny Masterson, left, stands with his attorney, Thomas Mesereau as he is arraigned on rape charges at Los Angeles Superior Court, in Los Angeles, Calif. on Friday, Sept. 18, 2020. (Lucy Nicholson/Pool Photo via AP)
Actor Danny Masterson, left, stands with his attorney, Thomas Mesereau as he is arraigned on rape charges in Los Angeles in September 2020. (Lucy Nicholson / Associated Press)

The Church of Scientology works hard to keep its inner workings out of the public eye.

It has hired private detectives to keep tabs on straying members, and experts say its lawyers vigorously defend against legal incursions, arguing to judges that Scientology’s beliefs are not courtroom fodder.

But at a hearing last week in the rape case against actor Danny Masterson, church officials were unable to stop their practices from being debated in open court.

Three women took the stand to recount sexual assaults allegedly committed by the celebrity Scientologist, and each told similar stories of how church officials tried to stop them from reporting Masterson to police.

One woman testified that a church official instructed her to write a statement showing she would “take responsibility” for a 2001 assault, in which she alleges Masterson raped her while she was unconscious.

Another woman, who was born into Scientology and planned to report Masterson to police in 2004, a year after she said he raped her at his Hollywood mansion, recounted how a Scientology attorney showed up at her family’s home. The lawyer, according to the woman, warned that she would be expelled from the church if she went to authorities.

“We’re going to work out how you can not lose your daughter,” the attorney told the woman’s father, according to her testimony.

The focus on Scientology during the preliminary hearing, which stretched over four days and included lengthy discussions of internal church texts and doctrine, wasn’t lost on Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge Charlaine Olmedo.

In ruling that there was sufficient evidence against Masterson to allow the case to proceed toward trial, Olmedo concluded that Scientology has “an expressly written doctrine” that “not only discourages, but prohibits” its members from reporting one another to law enforcement. The policy explained why several of the women did not report Masterson’s alleged crimes to the police for more than a decade, the judge found.

It was a type of public dissection that is unusual for the insular, enigmatic institution. The church, which counts a number of high-profile actors among its parishioners and operates a “Celebrity Centre” in the heart of Hollywood, has long been accused of going to extraordinary lengths to keep criminal allegations and other claims of wrongdoing in-house, experts said.

“The activities of Scientology have been so much a part of the evidence that’s being put forth as to why these women were not immediately going to law enforcement ... that it’s sort of brought the dirty laundry out into public view, which is exactly what Scientology does not want to have happen,” said Mike Rinder, the church’s former top spokesman, who left the faith in 2007.

In statements to The Times, the church denied it has a policy that dissuades members from reporting crimes, despite repeated references to Scientology texts during the hearing that appeared to include the directive. Karin Pouw, the church’s top spokeswoman, said Olmedo’s comments were “flat-out wrong” and dismissed the allegations against Masterson as “nothing more than a money shakedown” by women who are also engaged in a civil suit against him.

The women, Pouw claimed without evidence, are parroting comments made by Leah Remini, an actress who became an outspoken critic of Scientology after breaking with it in 2013. Rinder is a co-executive producer with Remini of an A&E series about Scientology.

“Church policy explicitly demands Scientologists abide by all laws of the land, including the reporting of crimes. This is blatantly clear in the documents we understand were put before the Court — and many others,” Pouw wrote, repeatedly noting the church is not a party in the criminal case. “The Court either did not read them in full or ignored them. It should have done neither. Interpretation of Church doctrine by the courts is prohibited and the ruling is evidence of why.”

The case against Masterson, who starred in the 2000s sitcom “That ’70s Show,” is a relatively rare example of a Scientologist facing criminal charges based on accusations from other church members, Rinder said.

The church’s doctrine generally dismisses government institutions like courts as invalid and directs members to deal with complaints internally, said Rinder, who described himself as having worked closely with L. Ron Hubbard, the late science fiction author who founded the church. Knowing that contacting law enforcement can lead to excommunication and being cut off from family and friends who remain in the church, members often remain silent, according to Rinder and testimony delivered in court last week.

The case against Masterson, Rinder added, is also unusual for the outsize role the inner workings and rules of Scientology played at the preliminary hearing — a likely preview of what is to come if the case goes to trial. For the most part, Rinder said, cases involving the church have played out in civil court, where lawyers for Scientology have largely been successful in convincing judges that its practices are irrelevant.

"Scientology had managed to persuade courts … that you can’t inquire into our religious practices and beliefs and have managed to dissuade much discussion about Scientology," Rinder said.

In a 2019 trial, lawyers for Scientology failed to shield the church from court scrutiny when defense attorneys for a man accused of beating his sister-in-law and her husband to death in Prescott, Ariz., argued that his belief in the religion drove him to commit the crime, according to a report in the Arizona Republic. In that case, a jury found Kenneth Wayne Thompson carried out the slayings to protect his nephew from receiving psychiatric treatment, which his attorneys argued is barred by the church's doctrines.

Jurors heard testimony about the church's origins, and how members use a polygraph-like "E-meter" during a process meant to lead to spiritual clarity. Both prosecutors and church lawyers opposed the strategy to involve Scientology in the case, but a judge allowed it. Attempts to subpoena church records and call former Scientologists to testify, including Remini, were unsuccessful, however.

Testimony at Masterson’s preliminary hearing at times was as much an explanation of the church’s processes and cryptic vocabulary as an accounting of the actor’s alleged sexual abuse.

One woman testified that she wrote a letter to an “International Justice Chief,” whom she described as the church’s ultimate authority on disputes between Scientologists, seeking permission to sue Masterson and report him to police. References were made in court to “knowledge reports,” “Things That Shouldn’t Be reports,” and “O.W. write-ups.” A prosecutor repeatedly evoked books and letters written by Hubbard.

When a woman explained during her testimony that “wog-law” is the church’s disdainful term for police and courts, Olmedo asked if Scientologists refer to nonmembers as “wogs,” much like wizards in the fictional universe of “Harry Potter” call non-magical people “muggles.”

“I suppose,” the woman responded. “It’s not a nice thing.”

The three women who have accused Masterson of rape were identified in court by their first names and initials of their last names. The Times generally does not name victims of alleged sexual assault unless they choose to fully identify themselves.

Masterson’s attorney, Thomas Mesereau, initially tried to minimize Scientology’s place in the case, asking Olmedo to issue an order limiting mentions of the church or its practices in court. He argued the restrictions were needed because of “religious bias” that investigators from the Los Angeles Police Department and Masterson’s accusers harbored against Scientology.

Olmedo slapped down the request, saying she found it “interesting” that Mesereau argued Scientology should have little to do with the case, but also referred to the church “88 times in a 29-page brief.”

As the hearing wore on, Mesereau appeared to change tactics, introducing church documents as evidence in an attempt to undercut the credibility of Masterson’s accusers.

While cross-examining one woman, he read from an “O.W. write-up” and suggested the church document amounted to an admission by the woman that her encounter with Masterson had been consensual and driven by her promiscuity. She fired back that the document had been written by church officials, who took comments she’d made to a Scientology counselor out of context and repurposed them to defend Masterson.

Mesereau also brought out a copy of “Introduction to Scientology Ethics,” a 528-page tome written by Hubbard, as he cross-examined another alleged victim.

When it was his turn to question the woman, Deputy Dist. Atty. Reinhold Mueller took the book from Mesereau and had it admitted into the court record. He and the woman read aloud passages that she said she understood were official church doctrine that discourages Scientologists from reporting fellow parishioners to law enforcement.

As he finished his questioning, Mueller handed the book back to Mesereau and thanked him, saying it was “very helpful.”

One of the women who testified at the hearing said that when she reported the alleged rape to church officials, she was told to read the chapter of "Introduction to Scientology Ethics" that instructs members not to go to police in such cases. In a one-on-one meeting, a church "ethics officer" told her "not to use the ‘R-word'" and said it would be a “high crime” to report another Scientologist to law enforcement, the woman testified.

She also said she was required to complete an "ethics course" because she had done "something to ... deserve what [Masterson] did to me.”

Rinder said that in recent years, the church's responses to media inquiries had become "hermit-like." The fact that the church issued a detailed defense of its practices to The Times is a sign the Masterson case has become a significant problem for the church, he said.

“The fact that it's Danny Masterson from 'That '70s Show' … it’s not just local media reporting on a local case, it blows it up way bigger. It becomes part of Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein," he said, referring to the #MeToo movement, which has identified several celebrities as sexual predators. "That instantly puts it into a different zone. Within Scientology, this becomes panic stations, high alert.”

This story originally appeared in Los Angeles Times.

[Journeyman]

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[James Newell]

The Church of Scientology loves to preach more responsibility for its practitioners while it operates as a closed in cult, it is the one with NO responsibility.
That is why I left that organization. Seems a high level spiritual tech can't be applied to itself.

[TomKat]

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Throughout history, five-fingered people have been responsible for most of what's wrong with this world! :-)

[TomKat]

The Church of Scientology loves to preach more responsibility for its practitioners while it operates as a closed in cult, it is the one with NO responsibility.
That is why I left that organization. Seems a high level spiritual tech can't be applied to itself.

In sociology class I learned that fascism is the philosophy that the individual is merely a cell in the greater body politic, in pursuit of excellence for that body politic. Scientology is sold as a philosophy to achieve individual excellence. But that formula for individual excellence (personal responsibility and more) is conveniently flipped to the fascist model whereby the individual is sacrificed to achieve excellence for the group. And that's how people get trapped in the Sea Org. Individual truths are used against them to sacrifice them to the Group. E.g., if the leader punishes you, you pulled it in. Disagreement is aberration which needs to be exorcised. Free thinking is misunderstanding. Anything that stands between you being a perfect instrument of the group is to be eradicated, for your own good, and for which you should be grateful.

Heil Hubbard! Heil Miscavige! The fact that they can so easily substitute one for the other tells hows they far gone they are.

[Matthew]

Lots of vehemently anti-Church of $cientology (Co$), and Hubbard himself, at https://www.xenu.net/ - Operation Clambake. There's a section titled 'Personal Accounts'



Niece of David Miscavige speaks out (Inside Edition)
Video of Jenna Hill, the niece of David Miscavige, speaks out against the cult.

Geir Isene's Doubt write-up
Geir is the most respected hig level Scientologist in Norway, an OT VIII in very good standing. While he says he's had an enormous amount of spiritual gain from Scientology, he's now stepping forward publicly saying it has been in spite of the malpractice and suppression of free will by the Church of Scientology.

The Jason Beghe Interview
He is the first celebrity to leave Scientology and publicly discuss his involvement and then disillusionment with the group. He made it to OT V on Scientology's "Bridge to Total Freedom" and discovered the best way to get free was to get up and walk out the door.

The Marc Headley Interview
Marc Headley is a 15-year veteran of the CoS where he worked closely with leader David Miscavige and actor Tom Cruise. In this radio interview he reveals some of his amazing stories.

How to believe in Scientology
Ex scientologists are accused of stupidity for being so gullible. Many think they are not gullible at all ordinarily, so how come they fell prey to this cult?

Kyle Brennan
A mothers tragic loss of her son while he visited his Scientology father.

The death of Lisa McPherson
On December 5, 1995, Lisa McPherson was dead on arrival at a hospital 45 minutes north of Clearwater Florida.

Jeremy Perkins: A Scientology Family Tragedy
On March 13, 2003, Jeremy Perkins, a 28 year old untreated schizophrenic, stabbed his mother Elli 77 times.

Ida Camburn's Promise
Read the moving story from a mother of a Scientologist and her 25 year effort to keep her promise.

Thank you xenu.net!
"SL" was about to fall for Scientology hook, line and sinker. Then he found Operation Clambake and started thinking. This is his letter of thanks.

Tory's Story
30 years on the front lines for Scientology, now out and here is her story!.

Kathryn's Story
A personal story on how CoS can mess you up.

The Cheryl S Story
This is a true story from inside the cult from 1977 to 1991.

The Tech Runs its Course
A commentary on the Lisa McPherson case.

Comments from Scientologists
Scientologists have frequently been offered to add their comments to this site so that everyone can have easy access to both sides. Sadly, few Scientologists are able to send me anything but undocumented allegations that this site distorts the truth.

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I was in a cult myself once, but specifically an anti-Co$ cult. We had a great time dancing to Rick Astley and eating cake. I learnt as much as I could about how the Co$ operates, and compiled a long video playlist of ex-scientologists speaking out, but most of the videos have gone. One thing my cult was crystal clear on: scientologists themselves weren't the problem. They're all rather nice people who care deeply, and sometimes they're victims.

My opposing cult's dogma is right about one thing though: big pharma. Here I'm going to hand over to a great Co$ musician, with his great song and gratuitous anti-big pharma plug in the video for no reason. Used to annoy me but now I like it

Take it away Beck!

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[ExomatrixTV]

The Cult of Scientology?

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0:00:00 Intro
0:04:52 Founding Father
0:12:35 Surfshark Vpn
0:13:55 Factory Of Fiction
0:17:42 Hubbmarine
0:24:32 Dianetics
0:39:54 Mission Impossible
0:49:40 Space Opera
0:57:28 Celebrity Clears
1:03:47 The Hypnotist

[Bluegreen]

Of historical interest to Scilons/Bibliophiles and/or Neil Gaiman fans ...

Amazing Clip Found In The Archives: Scientology

Local East Grinstead residents gripe about the weird goings-on inside the Scientology mansion. This short clip features what I believe are author Neil Gaiman's parents, or at least his dad.

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[Inversion]

I'm reading Donald Marshall's book about the cloning centers. He listed scientologists as one of the groups that transfer his consciousness into a clone. Another is the Masons and Illuminati which would imply they're the parent groups. They cloned Donald from cells from his foreskin (https://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?118618-The-Washington-DC-Boundary-Stones-and-M42&p=1525014&viewfull=1#post1525014). After looking at their famous building at 4810 Sunset I though the cross at the apex of their pryamid (https://www.google.com/maps/place/4810+Sunset+Blvd,+Los+Angeles,+CA+90027/@34.0959347,-118.2944959,77m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x80c2c0ab65982abb:0x5ca172d820245cf9!8m2!3d34.0974488!4d-118.2942389!16s%2Fg%2F11c1h17db0?entry=ttu) roof is a consciousness antenna. That building could denote a star within a constellation like the Orion (https://nebula.wsimg.com/00645804d79262804458f0f609acda75?AccessKeyId=D40106E1331C24ABD7C3&disposition=0&alloworigin=1) depiction in Manhattan.

[ExomatrixTV]

Reaction To South Park's Famous Scientology Satire Episode | "Trapped In The Closet":

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I react to the South Park episode that changed everything for Scientology.


southparkstudios.com/episodes/a3esfi/south-park-trapped-in-the-closet-season-9-ep-12 (https://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/a3esfi/south-park-trapped-in-the-closet-season-9-ep-12) (Full Video!) :bowing:




theaftermathfoundation.org (https://www.theaftermathfoundation.org)



How South Park DESTROYED Scientology: Ex-Scientologist

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Marc Headley (@blownforgood) leaks the Scientology 'spy files' that finally reveal the depths scientologists went to to stop South Park releasing their episode mocking Tom Cruise and exposing the secrets about Lord Xenu, body thetans and other scientology folklore. It's incredible how South Park ruined Scientology by converting countless scientologists away from the cult.

[ExomatrixTV]

Former Scientologists Reveal Tom Cruise's True Character:

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Compilation of former Scientologists sharing their experiences and inside knowledge about Tom Cruise. The Aftermath Foundation is there for people who want to leave Scientology and those who are thinking about it. They can stay under the radar. There is support out here! theaftermathfoundation.org/survivors (https://theaftermathfoundation.org/survivors)



Is Tom Cruise too far gone in Scientology?

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Claire and Marc Headley are both former members of the Church of Scientology who went through one on one counselling with the world's most famous Scientologist, Tom Cruise.

[Agape]

It just occurred to me to say in this context , recent thought; that without the ability to suppress myself about 99% I’d have never survived to this age ( nifty 50 🙃 whatever they say ) and through some most ethically challenging life events.

I’m vulnerable but I can control myself , by practice.

In gist, one should not cynically dispose of his free will with control panel.

Riding the “power” of “free will” achieving miraculous results and possible spiritual liberation is common to the philosophy of many ancient tantras.

Such path to take prophesied to be fast way to eternal bliss in one form or another is unfortunately also huge trap for all who are little more indulgent than their hoped for.

The psychological risk of cracking people open , allowing them to endlessly repeat their traumas, reducing them to state of patient dependent on therapy for the rest of this and many lifetimes like many other cults and religions do is dangerous.


My practical experience with failures in self control in my life results in deeper realisation that such moments immediately or in long term open a window to outer influence , collective or even global human influence.

Then people complain ,we all do 🙃 that family, society and gov control them. Their wife controls them, their children controls them, their doctors etc.

In reality we employ all these people to help us to control ourselves where we have failed.


Of course no control including self control should get too tight to the point of not only replicating but exceeding your grandmothers OCD ,
neither it should be lost.

In this human era and whenever you plan to “loose yourself” I suggest a good plan and walking at least 10 miles from nearest human dwellings if such place could be found and taking but a dog along should suffice :)


Self control becomes further important on subtle spiritual level as both you and your spiritual entity have to sustain lots of injustice on this planet, that all without getting offended forever.

We learn from our failures but we learn better from our victories.

We learn to de-learn and think de-linearly , in rounds and loops. The ocean of mind takes us elsewhere , in its undercurrents and tides,
and it rarely stays still observing its image in the vastness of space like a giant mirror


To the great final :

🙏🥏🙏

[ExomatrixTV]

My Uncle is the Leader of Scientology:

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Jenna Miscavige was born into and grew up in Scientology. Her uncle, David Miscavige, is the leader of Scientology. Jenna details her nearly parentless life as a number in the militaristic conditions where they kept the chiIdren. Her mother was a high ranking member, so when she saw how she lived in what felt like royal conditions compared to her, she doubled down in her beliefs with the intention of also being able to live the same lifestyle in the upper ranks. Things definitely started to spiral when Jenna found out both of her. Parents were no longer Scientologists and she would then be punished for that. Marriage seemed like the first step towards any loving and meaningful relationship (a glimpse of joy in her house of horrors), but even then her plans were disrupted time and time again due to who she was in relation to the leader. Her escape was long and drawn out with Scientology never truly leaving her and her husband alone. Learn more about her life in her memoir Beyond Belief: My Secret Life Inside Scientology & My Harrowing Escape as well as on her a YouTube Channel linked below.


Jenna Miscavige On The Church Of Scientology | LADbible Stories:

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In this week's episode of Minutes With, we had the privilege of speaking to Jenna Miscavige, a former member of The Church of Scientology and niece of Scientology's Chairman of the Board, David Miscavige. Jenna reveals her experience of growing up inside one of the world's most secretive religions, how it felt to sign the Billion Year Contract as a child and face E-meter interrogations. Jenna bravely speaks out about how doubts led her to finally leave the church behind and begin a life beyond Scientology.

[ExomatrixTV]

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