There is a dangerous trend on this forum... (Are ET's benevolent?)

[S-L]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and ralying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.

[Kano]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and ralying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.

Hi S-L,

Welcome to the forum. While I salute your intentions, I respectfully disagree with your opinion.

I think you will find here at Avalon that there are many skeptics and debates about whether or not ET is friendly. I'm not sure which threads you were reading, but I'm sure as you continue to dig you will find that there is not a dangerous trend here at all. Rather, I find there to be the most healthy sense of skepticism of anywhere that I read. I'm sure that if we were all posting over and over about blindly accepting ET as benevolent, Bill Ryan would post in all caps, in bold, and in 30 point font that this was a major mistake as he and Kerry have said so many times (see interview with Dr. Greer).

To your point about "the universe is nature on a larger scale", this would also apply to ET. In nature we inevitably find a balance. A Yin-Yang relationship as it were. To me there is every reason to believe that this balance also exists when considering ET. Some are good some are bad. Considering the IQ here at Avalon coupled with the members of this forums ability to know HOW to think and not WHAT to think, most here will tell you that to assume all ETs are good is to take a short cut to thinking.

Cheers,
Kano

All the best as you continue your research.

[DreamsInDigital]

I think you are trying to unfairly intimate that all ET are the same, they are absolutely positively 100% not. There are races that are out there that are bad/regressive/negatives. And ones out there that are positives/benevolents and there are those that are somewhere inbetween. Yes, some groups of ET's have it in our best interest and want to help us. There are also those that have been doing what they can to destroy us as a race, this is evident in the Global Elite /NWO movement. As the 'humans' associated with that group have fallen under the control of Regressive / Negative type Alien Races. There are also those out there, the Benevolent group that are trying to help us and free us from the enslavement we have been under for thousands of years. This is fact. Absolute. The Benevolents do not want to come and "take over" they just want to free us and go on in their marry little own way. It is only out of fear/misunderstanding that one is lead to believe those trying to help us want to "take over" and be our masters after we are free from the Regressives.

[VaughnB]

From what I've read here and elsewhere, there are many types of E.T/E.Ds benevolent and malevolent, and some are just watchers.

[CD7]

Hey ill throw a wrench in ur TREND...E.T. DRAMA===no attention paid

[sidh25]

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling S-L is getting paid to write this and yes my claims are completely unfounded and based on complete nonsense

[astrid]

Thread titles give much away.

[Vitalux]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and ralying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.



Just to put things into perspective.

The ET's have been around for millions and millions of years.
There is so much evidence cast in stone of their influence to our Earth and humanity that one would have to be quite in ignorance to not know of their past presence.

The ET's have given us our DNA, our agriculture, our math, literature, art, technology and language.

So if they were here to harm us, don't you think they would have stomped us to death long before we figured out how to invent the wheel?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SBzddQ4OUPI/AAAAAAAANiI/sI2yN5TnCog/s400/GEORGE+STOMPING+BUG.jpg

[karelia]

Hi S-L,


I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Hm, not sure what gives you that impression, unless you only looked at the channeled messages.


They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

I agree that Greer and anyone else who insists that all ETs are benevolent are very wrong, yes. And you're absolutely right, there is no proof that anyone is here for OUR interest. That said, however, I dare say that we in this density don't have quite the same view as a being of a higher frequency. If you ask a self-made millionaire on this planet what he thinks about money, he will probably tell you how wonderful it is to not turn each penny over before spending it. If you ask a being from a higher dimension, he'll probably shake his head sadly and wonder aloud how it can be that a spiritual being can be so focused on material things, and if he gets a chance to help those poor money-seeking sods to track back to the spiritual path, he will take it whilst the self-made millionaire will see him as an enemy. I guess a lot depends on the perspective, but at the same time I have no doubt that there are ETs who are everything but benevolent.


The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

I'm absolutely sure that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand, actually. If that weren't the case, earth would have been nuked into oblivion by now and the PTW would totally own our entire galaxy, merrily enslaving anyone they find.


When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.


Yes, until our consciousness grows sufficiently to stop us from overtaking the weak and instead pulling them up to become equally strong.


The universe is nature on a larger scale.

Yes, of course it is. But what is nature exactly? Is it "nature" to have predators? Or is that simply a reflection of how wrong humanity has gone? Is it really that utopian to imagine as possible a nature where there are no predators?


You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.

I agree, be awake, be aware. But at the same time don't discount a possibility.

[aranuk]

S-L welcome. I think you are too quick to judge. Remember when you point a finger in judgement there are three of your own fingers pointing straight at who I wonder.
The only one I know that thinks they are all good is Dr Steven Greer. Certainly no one here that I have met. Settle down ma boy.:p
Stan

[modwiz]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Nasi Novare Coram.

This first part of your argument shows some raggedy language usage. You are correct about a majority opinion. Majority means most and technically 51% plus. I am sure the percentage here is higher than that, but there is still a fair representation of skeptics. They are welcome and very much a part of the dialogue, if a smaller part.

So, when you say no one questions it, especially after your usage of the word majority (not all) you contradict yourself. You are also incorrect. As an OP it kind of makes the thread fall flat out of the gate. Your set up kicks itself in the a$$.

The fact that you have thanks under your post makes your comment about no one questioning ET benevolence an empty one.

Better luck next thread.

"Dangerous trend on this forum", borders on a fear porn title.

[modwiz]

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling S-L is getting paid to write this and yes my claims are completely unfounded and based on complete nonsense

It felt that way to me also. Maybe a volunteer though.

[Lost Soul]

As co-creators we decide the fate of this planet. Relying on others puts us back into the victim mindset and results in self-denial of our own powers.

[NeverMind]

It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?


Not exactly. Not quite.
Recently, I asked - nicely, of course, but also very directly - the following question:


But I believe a more important question is: what do people who eagerly await "proof" of extra-terrestrial visitations expect from those extra-terrestrials, should they visit us and make themselves known? Is it salvation of some sort?
Because fact is, we would still be we.

This, I think, is the basic question that each person needs to answer for themselves.

The last time I checked there was no reply.

[Siberia9]

Easy there Modwiz, "raggedy language usage" some of us around here is self smarted and such, lets not hurt anyone feeln's.
Anyway he sees it as dangerous, and he may be right. If any ETs want to probe me then I would see that as dangerous myself, for one of us anyway. And just for the record, I dont trust anyone, especialy ET's, so maybe a dialog about that is a good thing.

[modwiz]

It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?


Not exactly. Not quite.
Recently, I asked - nicely, of course, but also very directly - the following question:


But I believe a more important question is: what do people who eagerly await "proof" of extra-terrestrial visitations expect from those extra-terrestrials, should they visit us and make themselves known? Is it salvation of some sort?
Because fact is, we would still be we.

This, I think, is the basic question that each person needs to answer for themselves.

The last time I checked there was no reply.

Last time I checked, nobody called the cavalry saviors and decided to deify them. Allies are always welcome and only fools do not welcome assistance. The current leadership of this planet has brought the ecosphere to the brink of non viability. I am seeing people deciding to stay with the devil they know rather than even being open to the concept that not every person with power abuses it or wants something in return for a favor given. These concepts are our mental baggage. Many of us have broken free of this crap and no longer project it outward. The black and white mindsets, with no middling greys where most reality exists, is another rut of our planetary psyche at this time in history.

Time to grow up and throw away our diapers. The stench has kept most assistance at a distance.

[modwiz]

Easy there Modwiz, "raggedy language usage" some of us around here is self smarted and such, lets not hurt anyone feeln's.
Anyway he sees it as dangerous, and he may be right. If any ETs want to probe me then I would see that as dangerous myself, for one of us anyway. And just for the record, I dont trust anyone, especialy ET's, so maybe a dialog about that is a good thing.

There is a dialogue and I acknowledged it. Did you read my post? No taking it easy, thank you. Perimeters need watching because the battle is on and 'they' are here.

By raggedy language I meant zigging and zagging, like a squirrel alluding apprehension.

[Referee]

S-L

I do not know weather ET's are good or bad to put it simply. I agee 1000% with Modwiz until the human race cleans up its own mess, I am afraid it is irrelevant. There maybe aliens all around us I do not know for sure. I am afraid we made a deal with the devil so to speak...Dolce... and did not head some very serious warnings. If you haven't yet watched all the Bob Dean material I would suggest it to you. I think you may find some insight into your questions.

[ViralSpiral]

Nasi Novare Coram.


Nasi Novare Coram. Had to look it up. The presence of the Teachers is with us

I like that.

We do not have all the truths. We can only postulate about benevolent/malevolent beings. The veils are still too dense. As is our density.
When you have a better understanding of who/what WE are, and accept that its all out of your control, your fear will dissipate.
That's what you owe to yourself (and humanity)


The alternative? Load your bb gun.

[NeverMind]

It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?


Not exactly. Not quite.
Recently, I asked - nicely, of course, but also very directly - the following question:


But I believe a more important question is: what do people who eagerly await "proof" of extra-terrestrial visitations expect from those extra-terrestrials, should they visit us and make themselves known? Is it salvation of some sort?
Because fact is, we would still be we.

This, I think, is the basic question that each person needs to answer for themselves.

The last time I checked there was no reply.

Last time I checked, nobody called the cavalry saviors and decided to deify them. Allies are always welcome and only fools do not welcome assistance. The current leadership of this planet has brought the ecosphere to the brink of non viability. I am seeing people deciding to stay with the devil they know rather than even being open to the concept that not every person with power abuses it or wants something in return for a favor given. These concepts are our mental baggage. Many of us have broken free of this crap and no longer project it outward. The black and white mindsets, with no middling greys where most reality exists, is another rut of our planetary psyche at this time in history.

Time to grow up and throw away our diapers. The stench has kept most assistance at a distance.


Well, yes. Of course. Personally I couldn't agree more.
That was the underlying point to my post in the other thread (which has to be read in context, of course).

But I think it was a perfectly valid question.
(And I know I was looking forward to reading any replies, because such subjects inevitably bring up the profoundest questions.)

But I don't want to derail the thread (even though the other one had great potential), so - this is me leaving. :)

[Chucky]

Alex Collier made that point clear. The first ET's to show will most likely be the regressives that are already here. They will give gifts but watch out for what they want in return so use discernment and instinct when it does occur. I am not going to run to them I can assure you!!

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and ralying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.

[jorr lundstrom]

As you probably have noticed, here are groups of intraspecies predators that do wot they

can to enslave the entire humanity and its likely they are backed by malevolent ET:s.

So I dont think that concidering all ET:s being benevolent is a danger on this forum.

Of course people here have different ideas about this. Thats just fine. :welcome:

[ThePythonicCow]

"Dangerous trend on this forum", borders on a fear porn title.
Yeah -- I just added the clarifying phrase "(Are ET's benevolent?)" to this thread's title.

[Jeremy]

I like this description. It's by Matias De Stefano. It's translated from spanish to english so the grammar is a little awkward.

Extraterrestrial ... ¿What we have done!?

WHO ARE THE ET? ARE THOSE HUGE EYES GHOULISH BEINGS THAT MANIPULATE US FROM THE DARKNESS OF SPACE? WHY DO WE NEED? WHY NOT PRESENT? HOW LONG ARE ON EARTH? ARE THERE GOOD ... THERE ARE BAD?
WE CAN NOT IGNORE THIS SUBJECT ... ALIENS ... ALL THIS, PERHAPS IS THE MOST FICTIONAL OF ALL THAT WE CAN TALK ... A SUBJECT WHICH, AFTER THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AND HUMANITY, WE HEAD HAS BEEN BROKEN SINCE TIME IMMEMORIAL.
WHO ARE THEY? WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE? DO THEY EXIST? WHAT ROLE DO WITH US?


IN THE MATTER

MORE THAN 70 MILLION YEARS, OUR PLANET EARTH WAS A STRANGE WORLD .... VERY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY ... AT THAT TIME, DINOSAURS RULED THE EARTH, AND A VARIETY OF DIVERSE WILDLIFE AND ALMOST OPPOSITE TO THE PRESENT, DOMINATED THE PLANET'S SURFACE. THIS WORLD HAD GROWN AS A PRACTICE IN DENSITY, TO ALLOW SOUL GROUPS, PRACTICE IN THE WILD, DENSE MATTER. BUT HIS PRACTICE TIME WAS ABOUT TO END.

IN THE ETHER

AT THE BASIC LEVEL AND SPIRITUAL, ETHERIC BEINGS MILLION SOULS WERE PREPARING TO COME TO THIS WORLD ... WAS A TIME WHEN THE PLANET'S SURFACE HAD TO CHANGE, AND FOR THAT COSMIC CONCORDANCES WERE PREPARING TO TRANSFORM IT.
HALF A MILLION YEARS LATER, ABOUT THE WORLD BEGAN TO CHANGE, CULMINATING WITH THE FALL OF A HUGE ASTEROID.
'S LIFE WAS DEVASTATED, AND BEGAN A REARRANGEMENT OF MATTER.
MILLIONS OF SOULS AND BODIES DEBATED THE NEXT OPERATION OF THIS WORLD, OF WHICH IS SHUFFLED BETWEEN THE POSSIBILITIES OF A TOTALLY DARK PRACTICE OF DUALITY IN ALL LEVELS OFF ... THAT IS, A WORLD WHERE ALL THOSE SOULS EAGER TO EXPERIENCE HIGH SPEED AND TO SERVE ALL YOUR FEELINGS AND PERCEPTIONS, COULD BE BORN AND ENJOY THE CONSTANT TRANSFORMATION. THERE COULD BE A WORLD OF LIGHT, IT WAS DENSE MATTER, AND BEFORE, SHOULD PURIFY HIS DARK, THROUGH THE BIRTH OF THOUSANDS OF SOULS IN DARKNESS.

IN THE GALAXY

THE SEMI-BEINGS OR PHYSICAL ENTITIES GALAXIES WERE THE LINK BETWEEN THIS REQUEST.
THE SOULS NOW GRANTED POWER TO HYBRID BETWEEN MATTER AND LIGHT AND DARK-MATTER TO FERTILIZE THESE WORLDS AND PREPARE THEM FOR THIS EXPERIMENT.
THESE CHARACTERS , WERE KNOWN AS THE GALACTIC CONFEDERATION , AN INTERPLANETARY ORGANIZATION WORKS FOR THE LEARNING OF SELF AND THE WORLDS COMPOSED OF OUR FAMOUS "ALIEN".
THEY CAME TO THE DEVASTATED EARTH, FIRE AND GAS, DEATH ... AND BY VARIOUS PHYSICAL AND ENERGETIC TECHNIQUES, REVIVED THIS WORLD ... INSERTED ALONG ITS WATERS AND LANDS HUNDREDS OF PLANTS AND ANIMALS FROM OTHER WORLDS, CAPABLE OF TRANSFORMING THE PLANET'S SURFACE ... POLLINATING INSECTS CAN SURVIVE LARGE AMOUNTS OF RADIATION AND HEAT OR COLD, POLLINATORS, SACRED PLANTS ... ALL BROUGHT TO LIFE THE WORLD AGAIN ... A FEW DINOSAURS LEFT, THOSE WHO WERE FAR REMOVED FROM THE MOST CHAOTIC AREAS ... WERE STILL GREEN ... COOLER SITES WHERE SETTLED THE FIRST HYBRIDS.


THE FIRST INHABITANTS OF THIS WORLD REASONING
THESE WERE BEINGS WHOSE WORLDS COULD NO LONGER LIVE, WHO MADE ​​HIS FIRST PRACTICE ON EARTH ... CIVILIZATION THAT PERISHED AFTER COOLING THE PLANET.
MILLIONS OF YEARS PASSED, AND HUNDREDS OF CREATURES AND PLANTS POPULATED THE EARTH ...
LIFE WAS TAKING WAY.
THE SOULS, OURSELVES, THEN, HAIL, ALONG WITH VARIOUS COSMIC ENTITIES, THE CREATION OF A RACE CAPABLE OF HOLDING IN THIS PRACTICE, AND THEREFORE USED THE CONFEDERATION.
MANY WORLDS OF WHICH SOME BELONGED TO THE CONFEDERATION, WERE DYING, AND THE PEOPLE NEEDED A PLACE TO LIVE ... THIS WAS THE FIRST REASON WHY MANY RACES BEGAN TO LOOK AT THE EARTH AS HIS BIG CHANCE.
SOME OF THESE RACES, THEY SAW THAT THEY COULD DRAW RESOURCES ... AND THEY DID.
SINCE THEN, COSMIC AND ETHERIC BODIES, DIFFERENT RACES USED TO ACCELERATE THE PROCESS OF MAMMALS. FOR MANY CENTURIES AND MILLENNIA, THE RACES WERE MIXED AGAIN AND AGAIN, CREATING THE FIRST PROTOTYPE OF THE HUMAN FROM OTHER EXTRATERRESTRIAL RACES, WITH THE MIXTURE OF SOME LAND.

THEY CAME TO EARTH TRYING TO GET THOSE RESOURCES, BUT THE CONFEDERACY PUT A LIMIT TO THAT BY PLACING A LARGE GROUP OF ENTITIES, HUMANOIDS, KNOWN TODAY AS LEMURIANS (YOMÔM ). THEY PROTECTED THE INTERESTS OF HUMANS THEMSELVES, BUT HAD TO LEAVE THE FACE OF PLANET. FROM HERE, MELT THE BIG CITIES INTRATERRESTRIAL , WHICH SPREAD THROUGH THE HOLES IN THE MAGMA BENEATH THE CRUST, GUARDING THE HEART OF THE EARTH. AT THIS TIME, THERE WERE MANY INTERVENTIONS, CREATING THE BASIC RACES OF PLANET EARTH, AND ONE OF THEM, FROM WHICH MOST OF US DESCEND ... THE " ATLANTEANS ".


UNTIL A FEW MILLENNIA AFTER THE GREAT FALL OF THE ATLANTEAN EMPIRE, RULE THAT FREED HUMANS FROM THE MINIMALIST CONCEPTION THAT MANY ALIENS HAD ABOUT US, THE GALACTIC FEDERATION HAD CONTACT WITH US.
AMONG THEM, MANY OF THOSE WITH GREAT INTEREST ON THE PLANET FOLLOWED HERE ... BUT EVERYONE KNEW THAT FOR 10 THOUSAND YEARS AGO UNTIL TODAY, THE HUMAN SHOULD LIVE A PERIOD OF COSMIC INDIVIDUALITY, WHICH SHOULD NOT BE D EXTERNAL CONTACT WITH OTHER RACES ... FOR THIS REASON, ALL EXTRATERRESTRIAL SETTLEMENTS WERE RAISED, OR EVEN ... KILLED.


THEN:

ARE WE GENETIC MANIPULATION OF OTHER RACES?

SURE WE ARE. WE SEEK THIS SAME REALITY, THE ALIENS ARE OUR CREATORS, ARE THE MEANS BY WHICH WE CREATE OURSELVES, THEY ARE OUR FATHERS AND BROTHERS ... WE SHARE MUCH OF THEIR GENETICS, DIFFERENT GENETICS THAT MAKES US UNIQUE IN THE GALACTIC SYSTEM ... WE ARE A GREAT CROSSES, ONE OF THE MOST WONDERFUL CREATIONS.
"... WE ARE A PRODUCT OF WHAT WE GENERATE OURSELVES ...
THE MIDDLE IS JUST A MATTER OF CHOICE ... "

ARE WE BEING MANIPULATED BY OTHER RACES TODAY?
SOME PEOPLE TODAY ARE BEING MANIPULATED BY LITTLE HEART RACES ... RACES THAT STILL PRESERVE THEIR INTERESTS. BUT IT IS NOT NORMAL ... THIS KIND OF MANIPULATION ENDED LONG AGO, WHEN THE GREAT GENETIC POTENTIAL DETERIORATED, BLOCKING ... SOME WITH A POSITIVE END ... THAT WE NOT USE OUR POTENTIAL TO HARM US OURSELVES, EVEN WORSE THAN THEY ALREADY DO ... AND OTHERS FOR A DARK AND SELFISH PURPOSE ... TO PREVENT OUR REAL CONTROL OVER INDIVIDUAL DEVELOPMENT, SOCIAL AND PLANETARY.
TODAY, THERE ARE STILL MANY "IMPLANTS" IN HUMANS. THE IMPLANTS ARE CONTROLS BOTH PHYSICAL AND NONPHYSICAL ARE OUR ENERGY CENTERS OR PHYSICAL, IN THE SAME GENE, WHICH IMPEDE OUR DEVELOPMENT AS A RACE (LIKE THE FAMOUS GREY). BUT THERE ARE ALSO (PLEIADIANS, ARCTURIANS ...) THAT HELP WITH OTHER TYPES OF IMPLANTS, CAPABLE OF REVERSING THIS TYPE OF LOCKS.
YES, WE ARE MANIPULATED BY DIFFERENT RACES, BUT THAT SHOULD NOT DESPAIR! WELL THIS IS SOMETHING WE ALREADY KNEW WOULD HAPPEN, THIS IS A PRACTICE FOR US AND FOR THEM.


HOW DO WE GET RID OF THIS MANIPULATION?

WE COULD INTERPRET THAT BOTH THOSE ALIENS WHO MAY BE CALLED GOOD AND BAD, WE CHANGE ... THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO RELEASE AT SOME POINT IN THIS VICIOUS CIRCLE!
YES, WE WILL, BUT AT THE TIME THAT HUMANITY, OR ANY PART THEREOF , IS ACTUALLY ABLE TO BREAK FREE ... WE ARE STILL DOLLS, PUPPETS OF FATE, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT KEEP OUR REAL STRONG CONNECTION, AND THAT IS WHY THE OTHER RACES MOVE IN A "TUG OF WAR" WITH US IN THE MIDDLE UNTIL WE REALLY ABLE TO AVAIL OURSELVES OURSELVES AS A RACE.
WE MUST BEAR IN MIND THAT THERE ARE NO GOOD RACES AND BAD RACES ... ONLY ... THERE ARE DIFFERENT INTERESTS THAT SHOULD CONCERN US, IS WHAT INTERESTS US, WE USE ... DO WE REALLY WANT TO EVOLVE AND HELP IN THE PROCESS? OR DO WE PREFER TO KEEP FEEDING A DENSE WORLD AND BE WORKERS FEEL SUPERIOR RACES AND NEED OF OUR RESOURCES?
TRY NOT TO GO CRAZY WITH THE CONSPIRACY! WE ARE NOT VICTIMS OF THIS MOVIE ... REMEMBER THAT WE GENERATE THIS REALITY ... NO ONE IS AGAINST US, ONLY HURT US IF WE GIVE THEM THE STRENGTH TO DO SO.
THE GALACTIC CONFEDERATION CAN NOT GET INTO THIS BUSINESS, YOU CAN ONLY WORK TOGETHER, BE GUIDES THE PROCESS ... THIS IS OUR STORY ... WE ALONE WILL DECIDE THE FINAL.
REMEMBER ... THEY GENETICALLY MANIPULATED US, BUT WE CREATED, WE BELIEVE, AND WE ASK THEM TO HELP US THERE, SOMETHING WE FORGET ...

HUMAN! WE TOO ARE ALIENS ... JUST A LITTLE HAIRY MONKEY-FACED:)

[David Trd1]

I would tend to disagree with that.

To ever truely wholeheartly believe in something using logic and reason is as the only compass to truth is to decieve oneself as to a multitude of avenues of growth and therefore true knowledge attainment.These things are but tools to decifer or accencuate what we ''know'' or 'feel' to be the case

I have only recently joined,although ive been a fly on the wall online for quite sometime.The reason i joined this fourm is because it has a broad sectrum of views and there are many open minds here and as such is a most unique place online.There is scepticisim in places here where i didnt expect it which is refreshing.I think views evolve here and aren`t as steadfast as you might think.When it comes down to it this is a place of information sharing and i dont think views stay static for long and as such we are all unfinished searching tomes.

In regards to all ET`s being benifical or negative....''as above so below''....or vice versa,there are opposites of energy throughout the universe and with that understanding comes the understanding that there are negative and positive BOTH here at this time and probably always has been

Truth lies within.

Peace.
p.s.[i hope some dont find that veering off topic]

[wolf_rt]

I do think there is a danger in considering any alien influence benevolent... nobody ever does ANYTHING if there isn't something in it for them... motivations must be questioned.

Having said that.. just because there is something in 'it' for them doesn't mean there isn't something in 'it' for us...

I certainly wouldn't consider the people of this forum unquestioning... quite the opposite... obviously i would have thought!
saying that "no one" here is questioning the motivations of these beings is ridiculous... have a read...

The 'love and light' channeled messages are just that, channeled messages... don't shoot the message boy... It is YOUR job to ponder the meaning and motivation behind these message.

[David Trd1]

I do think there is a danger in considering any alien influence benevolent... nobody ever does ANYTHING if there isn't something in it for them... motivations must be questioned.

Having said that.. just because there is something in 'it' for them doesn't mean there isn't something in 'it' for us...

I certainly wouldn't consider the people of this forum unquestioning... quite the opposite... obviously i would have thought!
saying that "no one" here is questioning the motivations of these beings is ridiculous... have a read...

The 'love and light' channeled messages are just that, channeled messages... don't shoot the message boy... It is YOUR job to ponder the meaning and motivation behind these message.




I concur,eloquently put:)

Peace.

[wolf_rt]

I edited your post Jeremy, so that i could read it.... reading is about shape recognition... caps defeats that.


who are the et? are those huge eyes ghoulish beings that manipulate us from the darkness of space? why do we need? why not present? how long are on earth? are there good ... there are bad?
we can not ignore this subject ... aliens ... all this, perhaps is the most fictional of all that we can talk ... a subject which, after the existence of god and humanity, we head has been broken since time immemorial.
who are they? what are you doing here? do they exist? what role do with us?


in the matter

more than 70 million years, our planet earth was a strange world .... very different from what it is today ... at that time, dinosaurs ruled the earth, and a variety of diverse wildlife and almost opposite to the present, dominated the planet's surface. this world had grown as a practice in density, to allow soul groups, practice in the wild, dense matter. but his practice time was about to end.

in the ether

at the basic level and spiritual, etheric beings million souls were preparing to come to this world ... was a time when the planet's surface had to change, and for that cosmic concordances were preparing to transform it.
half a million years later, about the world began to change, culminating with the fall of a huge asteroid.
's life was devastated, and began a rearrangement of matter.
millions of souls and bodies debated the next operation of this world, of which is shuffled between the possibilities of a totally dark practice of duality in all levels off ... that is, a world where all those souls eager to experience high speed and to serve all your feelings and perceptions, could be born and enjoy the constant transformation. there could be a world of light, it was dense matter, and before, should purify his dark, through the birth of thousands of souls in darkness.

in the galaxy

the semi-beings or physical entities galaxies were the link between this request.
the souls now granted power to hybrid between matter and light and dark-matter to fertilize these worlds and prepare them for this experiment.
these characters , were known as the galactic confederation , an interplanetary organization works for the learning of self and the worlds composed of our famous "alien".
they came to the devastated earth, fire and gas, death ... and by various physical and energetic techniques, revived this world ... inserted along its waters and lands hundreds of plants and animals from other worlds, capable of transforming the planet's surface ... pollinating insects can survive large amounts of radiation and heat or cold, pollinators, sacred plants ... all brought to life the world again ... a few dinosaurs left, those who were far removed from the most chaotic areas ... were still green ... cooler sites where settled the first hybrids.


the first inhabitants of this world reasoning
these were beings whose worlds could no longer live, who made ??his first practice on earth ... civilization that perished after cooling the planet.
millions of years passed, and hundreds of creatures and plants populated the earth ...
life was taking way.
the souls, ourselves, then, hail, along with various cosmic entities, the creation of a race capable of holding in this practice, and therefore used the confederation.
many worlds of which some belonged to the confederation, were dying, and the people needed a place to live ... this was the first reason why many races began to look at the earth as his big chance.
some of these races, they saw that they could draw resources ... and they did.
since then, cosmic and etheric bodies, different races used to accelerate the process of mammals. for many centuries and millennia, the races were mixed again and again, creating the first prototype of the human from other extraterrestrial races, with the mixture of some land.

they came to earth trying to get those resources, but the confederacy put a limit to that by placing a large group of entities, humanoids, known today as lemurians (yomôm ). they protected the interests of humans themselves, but had to leave the face of planet. from here, melt the big cities intraterrestrial , which spread through the holes in the magma beneath the crust, guarding the heart of the earth. at this time, there were many interventions, creating the basic races of planet earth, and one of them, from which most of us descend ... the " atlanteans ".


until a few millennia after the great fall of the atlantean empire, rule that freed humans from the minimalist conception that many aliens had about us, the galactic federation had contact with us.
among them, many of those with great interest on the planet followed here ... but everyone knew that for 10 thousand years ago until today, the human should live a period of cosmic individuality, which should not be d external contact with other races ... for this reason, all extraterrestrial settlements were raised, or even ... killed.


then:

are we genetic manipulation of other races?

sure we are. we seek this same reality, the aliens are our creators, are the means by which we create ourselves, they are our fathers and brothers ... we share much of their genetics, different genetics that makes us unique in the galactic system ... we are a great crosses, one of the most wonderful creations.
"... we are a product of what we generate ourselves ...
the middle is just a matter of choice ... "

are we being manipulated by other races today?
some people today are being manipulated by little heart races ... races that still preserve their interests. but it is not normal ... this kind of manipulation ended long ago, when the great genetic potential deteriorated, blocking ... some with a positive end ... that we not use our potential to harm us ourselves, even worse than they already do ... and others for a dark and selfish purpose ... to prevent our real control over individual development, social and planetary.
today, there are still many "implants" in humans. the implants are controls both physical and nonphysical are our energy centers or physical, in the same gene, which impede our development as a race (like the famous grey). but there are also (pleiadians, arcturians ...) that help with other types of implants, capable of reversing this type of locks.
yes, we are manipulated by different races, but that should not despair! well this is something we already knew would happen, this is a practice for us and for them.


how do we get rid of this manipulation?

we could interpret that both those aliens who may be called good and bad, we change ... then we would have to release at some point in this vicious circle!
yes, we will, but at the time that humanity, or any part thereof , is actually able to break free ... we are still dolls, puppets of fate, because they do not keep our real strong connection, and that is why the other races move in a "tug of war" with us in the middle until we really able to avail ourselves ourselves as a race.
we must bear in mind that there are no good races and bad races ... only ... there are different interests that should concern us, is what interests us, we use ... do we really want to evolve and help in the process? or do we prefer to keep feeding a dense world and be workers feel superior races and need of our resources?
try not to go crazy with the conspiracy! we are not victims of this movie ... remember that we generate this reality ... no one is against us, only hurt us if we give them the strength to do so.
the galactic confederation can not get into this business, you can only work together, be guides the process ... this is our story ... we alone will decide the final.
remember ... they genetically manipulated us, but we created, we believe, and we ask them to help us there, something we forget ...

human! we too are aliens ... just a little hairy monkey-faced

[Mad Hatter]

Mad Hatter dons his contrarian cap...

If you were in ET's shoes might not your demeanor be percieved as a little reticent considering the fact that you may well shortly have to welcome a nuclear armed ape into your neck of the woods??

[ThePythonicCow]

I edited your post Jeremy, so that i could read it.... reading is about shape recognition... caps defeats that.
Thanks :)

[Referee]

I would tend to disagree with that.

To ever truely wholeheartly believe in something using logic and reason is as the only compass to truth is to decieve oneself as to a multitude of avenues of growth and therefore true knowledge attainment.These things are but tools to decifer or accencuate what we ''know'' or 'feel' to be the case

I have only recently joined,although ive been a fly on the wall online for quite sometime.The reason i joined this fourm is because it has a broad sectrum of views and there are many open minds here and as such is a most unique place online.There is scepticisim in places here where i didnt expect it which is refreshing.I think views evolve here and aren`t as steadfast as you might think.When it comes down to it this is a place of information sharing and i dont think views stay static for long and as such we are all unfinished searching tomes.

In regards to all ET`s being benifical or negative....''as above so below''....or vice versa,there are opposites of energy throughout the universe and with that understanding comes the understanding that there are negative and positive BOTH here at this time and probably always has been

Truth lies within.

Peace.
p.s.[i hope some dont find that veering off topic]

IMO Refreshing Notes! Welcome To Avalon!

[modwiz]

I do think there is a danger in considering any alien influence benevolent... nobody ever does ANYTHING if there isn't something in it for them... motivations must be questioned.

Having said that.. just because there is something in 'it' for them doesn't mean there isn't something in 'it' for us...

I certainly wouldn't consider the people of this forum unquestioning... quite the opposite... obviously i would have thought!
saying that "no one" here is questioning the motivations of these beings is ridiculous... have a read...

The 'love and light' channeled messages are just that, channeled messages... don't shoot the message boy... It is YOUR job to ponder the meaning and motivation behind these message.

I have done things just to make the world a better place and because it seemed the right thing to do. Feels good. Are you suggesting, by your statement and the juxtaposition of it to mine, I am the only being in Creation that feels this way? My sense is that there is plenty of benevolence in this galaxy. Unfortunately this planet is loaded with people who will let no good deed go unpunished. As I said earlier, our stench and perfidy (new addition) has kept the wise at a distance. I believe a critical mass has been or is being reached now and help will be more forthcoming. Help as allies help each other and not as saviors. The negativity of this planet cannot be underestimated. It is even on display here at the vaunted Avalon Forum. It is a dying voice, just more shrill in its death throes.

[wolf_rt]

I have done things just to make the world a better place and because it seemed the right thing to do. Feels good.

Thats what you got out of it mate... i didn't say it had to be anything big :-)

[BestLion]

My thoughts on this.. Well we really dont have any solid evidence now of ETs. or EDs to prove if they are benevolent or not. So we can use folklore and historic writings of things like the gods, fairies etc.. to make a case about them.
In all folklore of and about fairies and little people, they often are not previewed as benevolent, but mischievous, and often those who met them had dire consequences. In religions they talk about those from whom the heavens came. And when they came we had wars and destruction. the myths of the bible talks about the sons of god arriving to earth..and what they did on earth was not benevolent. Even the god Jehovah is not benevolent but on the contrary..in the old testament alone he is responsible for near 3 million death."Many people calculated how many people only via the old testament this ET Jehovah killed" The Sumerians talk of the Annunaki, who are said to have made slaves of humans.
In Greek myths the gods were often at war, and often did not do good to mortals. Nordic mythology more less the same.
Oh the ETs in the 20th century who were meet or made contact with..We have people like Maria Orsic who communicated with the Aldebaran people..Who were helping the Nazis. We have many cases of abductions.. sorry but being abducted isn't benevolent in my book.
I through my readings on all this came to the conclusion that the 'benevolent Aliens" is a new age teaching of the age of Aquarius. It is a sort of religion that we will reach a new spiritual height , and with that be guided by a higher race of benevolent beings.Thus my conclusion on this is this new 'Benevolent Aliens" is more less a new age teaching. Historically, religiously, through folklore the gods were not benevolent.

[music]

Easy there Modwiz, "raggedy language usage" some of us around here is self smarted and such, lets not hurt anyone feeln's.
Anyway he sees it as dangerous, and he may be right. If any ETs want to probe me then I would see that as dangerous myself, for one of us anyway. And just for the record, I dont trust anyone, especialy ET's, so maybe a dialog about that is a good thing.

I was thinking about getting one of those medic-alert type bracelets for ET contacts. It will have "no probing" written on it.

[Eric J (Viking)]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and ralying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.



Just to put things into perspective.

The ET's have been around for millions and millions of years.
There is so much evidence cast in stone of their influence to our Earth and humanity that one would have to be quite in ignorance to not know of their past presence.

The ET's have given us our DNA, our agriculture, our math, literature, art, technology and language.

So if they were here to harm us, don't you think they would have stomped us to death long before we figured out how to invent the wheel?

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_mJ4lc_Q9Q6k/SBzddQ4OUPI/AAAAAAAANiI/sI2yN5TnCog/s400/GEORGE+STOMPING+BUG.jpg

Best response here to this ridiculous asumption ... !! Thanks Gary ...

And check here
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38272-Formal-Announcements-of-Our-Presence-Greg-Giles-January-8-2012&p=398472&viewfull=1#post398472

viking

[apokalypse]

Nobody going to save us but ourselves and if anyone save us then that would be irresponsible of us and freedom will take away.

[Eric J (Viking)]

Nobody going to save us but ourselves and if anyone save us then that would be irresponsible of us and freedom will take away.

Thats the problem we don't have 'our freedom'

Its an invisible cage of contant suppresion and all sorts of knowledge that we have the right to know about ...how can you take away that which we do not have.

Once the real truth of the Galactics are known ....only then you will have your freedom ... and humanity will rise to heights of unimaginable FREEDOM ...

viking

[Bill Ryan]

From what I've read here and elsewhere, there are many types of E.T/E.Ds benevolent and malevolent, and some are just watchers.

I'm as sure as I can be that this summary is correct.

Some ETs are definitely on our side, and may have various amounts invested in us (just as parents have invested in their children). Some are equally definitely malevolent.

Others (q.v. Marshall Vian Summers), like European colonists several hundred years ago, are merely self-interested in needed resources, which the Earth (or the human race) may have in abundance.

There is also a lot of evidence that there is a broad non-interference agreement in place-- which some of the ETs adhere to, but some choose not to.

(Many thanks for the thread! :) )

[Curt]

Bill,

Would you feel comfortable naming which ETs/EDs fall on which side of the fence? It would be beneficial to have your take on this given the access you have.

Edit. I realise that many 'races' may contain within them both (from our perspective) allies and potential enemies, and that it may not be possible to lump a given race neatly into one camp or the other. It may be that much more nuance is required. Having said that, it would still be great to have your take on where the various players actually fit on the game board.



From what I've read here and elsewhere, there are many types of E.T/E.Ds benevolent and malevolent, and some are just watchers.

I'm as sure as I can be that this summary is correct.

Some ETs are definitely on our side, and may have various amounts invested in us (just as parents have invested in their children). Some are equally definitely malevolent.

Others (q.v. Marshall Vian Summers), like European colonists several hundred years ago, are merely self-interested in needed resources, which the Earth (or the human race) may have in abundance.

There is also a lot of evidence that there is a broad non-interference agreement in place-- which some of the ETs adhere to, but some choose not to.

(Many thanks for the thread! :) )

[Vrilya]

I believe that we have been here before, many times. But this time is different, this time it's very important for us to understand the difference between benevolent and malevolent. I also believe there is a spirituality war be fought in the realms of our universe and planet Earth is the prize. The Annunaki have had a long time to map out their game plans and most of us are fighting with blinders on. This is an all out war for our souls, this planet and its resources.
maybe the rest should be left for another thread.............

Blessings and Love Always,
V

[Deega]

Thanks L-S, very interesting Tread!, a few comments.

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?
Human species are also dangerous, don’t you think..!, our great leaders :mad2: feel that it’s important to go to war on the basis of economic spoilage, work, development, for them, human beings (we) are not important..!, oil, natural resources are the spoil of these wars and that should be perpetuated. IMHO, my guess is that our leaders are just as dangerous.

IMHO, if we were created by a branch of the Annunaki, we certainly have some traits! As you know, their leaders were Enlil and Enki. Enlil was more of a severe technocrate that didn’t have any consideration for their offsprings (us). Enki was more of a loving type, he bioengineered us and he was trying, as strongly as he can, to help us. We have two dividing force at work here just as we are.


Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

This assumption is very hard to come at, we really don’t know the physic, the biology, the chemistry, nor the spirituality, etc., in other part of the Cosmos, so presuming that these being have the same predisposition than we, I would love to know the part that l’m missing.


The universe is nature on a larger scale.

Hmm!, I don’t know how you come to this conclusion, even the scientists don’t know much about the universe…!


You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skeptisism. Be awake and aware.

Well!, we are also gods (soul & spirit) from the Universe, but we have an animal body, and we know quite well how to fight, how to defend ourselves, and even if they come and subdue us in the first place, we will, ever trying, get on top of the situation, don’t worry! And Oh!, Yes!, be awake and aware!

All the best to you.

Deega

[crosby]

i do not believe that our members put all their eggs in one basket here at avalon. many of us believe that there is a balance and order to things, even the things that we don't understand. i do not have any experience that i can remember with either good or bad entities, but i will say this:
we have a member here on our forum who has been very diligently working the et/ed area with his videography. i hope that he doesn't mind that i pasted his thread here for you all too view. he has captured an enormous amount of information with his work and is undaunted by nay-sayers.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38253-Interview-and-new-analysis--UFO-ET-witness-speaks-


please take the time to check out this thread and see what he has too offer. he has many listings on youtube as well. he has documented everything that he could. and i think it is quite fascinating.
regards, corson

[alienHunter]

It might be dependent on how one classifies:

Nuts and bolts ET's would have smooshed us by now = Benevolent
Trickster/Djinn/Interdimensionals don't care = amoral and defy conventional description
Archon interdimensionals think we are tasty = very very bad and decidedly not benevolent

[baddbob]

S-L may I suggest that you listen to Dolores Cannon . "Secrets of the Universe" Revealed with Dolores Cannon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=T93YjnyvV3M

[Curt]

Why do I get the sense you know waaay more than you're saying. ;)


I believe that we have been here before, many times. But this time is different, this time it's very important for us to understand the difference between benevolent and malevolent. I also believe there is a spirituality war be fought in the realms of our universe and planet Earth is the prize. The Annunaki have had a long time to map out their game plans and most of us are fighting with blinders on. This is an all out war for our souls, this planet and its resources.
maybe the rest should be left for another thread.............

Blessings and Love Always,
V

[Mitm]

Well according to the Anastasia material in Book 1, she helped them repair their spaceship, so there must be good ones... there has been alot of activity recently in Siberia which is where she lives... In Book 5 or 6, she talks about the invasion scenario... she mentions that the "ET's" look exactly like us, their world is so much more advanced, yet not coherent as Earth is. As in whoever created their world (just a Man, or what she calls "Elements") didnt know the ultimate secret of creation and how to harmonise it... as God does.. Anway she talks about the invasion and how Et's were to come to earth and offer us all their technology so we can then accept it and become bio-robots, (which we mostly are now anwyay) She says that Mans inspired thought alone has more power then any of their technology... so to sum up, i would have to say "We are the ones we have been watiing for".... She also talks about past catastrophes and how Man fled earth in spaceships... and then came back again... maybe just maybe they are the ones that are to come back also... time will tell I guess....

[sidh25]

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling S-L is getting paid to write this and yes my claims are completely unfounded and based on complete nonsense

It felt that way to me also. Maybe a volunteer though.

haha thats funny :) can't imagine the type of person volunteering for this kind of stuff

[modwiz]

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling S-L is getting paid to write this and yes my claims are completely unfounded and based on complete nonsense

It felt that way to me also. Maybe a volunteer though.

haha thats funny :) can't imagine the type of person volunteering for this kind of stuff

I have to be nice. Tribal thinking produces ample volunteers, as does self interest.

[Sirius White]

As someone who has had personal experiences with this.


NOOOO!!!!!

They are NOT all benevolent. People who believe that need to expand their minds a bit. It's easy to think because they can travel through space or whatever that they are benevolent, this is not true at all!

And we as humans have no right to judge other beings, we attract the company we keep! Our elite is a prime example, they have tech beyond our wildest dreams and they are even WORSE.

Technological advancement =/= spiritual maturity. In fact many of these countries begin to develop the way we are now, by means of hive mind, and mass mind control. They are trying to "corporatize" our planet under the same guise, with the human populace completely unaware.

[jorr lundstrom]

Paid for stirring the pot, create confusion, divide? Watta you know.LOL

Tricky times, better increase awareness a bit. So, please pay attention.


http://i600.photobucket.com/albums/tt81/sakasvattaja/pilgrim4.jpg

[Cidersomerset]

I don't know where this thread is going.....My take is there are so many ET civilisations out there that some are bound to begood and some notso..
Without going into the ins and outs of all the possible scenarios I posted a interview from a deep insider and he explains the origins of mankind
from the illuminatti point of view, whether you believe him or not does not matter but this interview from UFOCON 1999 & is worth ..listening to
the link may not work in the US for some reason,...

http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/Bob_Video/1999-08-17--UFOCON/1999-08-17--IntUFOCon--Part_1.mp4

http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/Bob_Video/1999-08-17--UFOCON/1999-08-17--IntUFOCon--Part_2.mp4

His family has direct links with illuminati families for 300 years and he is reading from notes from inside sources...

[Mike]

I don't know why I'm getting the feeling S-L is getting paid to write this and yes my claims are completely unfounded and based on complete nonsense

It felt that way to me also. Maybe a volunteer though.


he's not getting paid; he's just a new member getting his feet wet. i think we have to be very careful making accusations like this. besides, letting an 'agent' participate and eventually hanging himself in time is the lesser of the evils vis a vis paranoia generated by premature accusations imho.

although, i do agree with you and the other poster somewhat with regard to the ratio of skeptics vs those who accept all et's as benevolent (an intellectually abominable point of view imo. not sure what people like Greer are thinking...wait a sec...Greer, is that you??? are you S-L???Modwiz, you may be right after all;)) i would take it a step further and say that the majority here view the et phenomenon with trepidation (a poll might be appropriate)

it's certainly a worthy topic - good vs bad et's - but it's framed in an erroneous assumption, by my observation, that most here are 'Greerian' in nature.

[alienHunter]

I'm curious if anyone has personally known someone to be paid for making comments on a forum?

[baddbob]

I don't know where this thread is going.....My take is there are so many ET civilisations out there that some are bound to begood and some notso..
Without going into the ins and outs of all the possible scenarios I posted a interview from a deep insider and he explains the origins of mankind
from the illuminatti point of view, whether you believe him or not does not matter but this interview from UFOCON 1999 & is worth ..listening to
the link may not work in the US for some reason,...

http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/Bob_Video/1999-08-17--UFOCON/1999-08-17--IntUFOCon--Part_1.mp4

http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/Bob_Video/1999-08-17--UFOCON/1999-08-17--IntUFOCon--Part_2.mp4

His family has direct links with illuminati families for 300 years and he is reading from notes from inside sources...

the right click save as worked great for me downloaded @1.5 mb/s
"Hi static try the dircect link from Bob Timeline scroll down to 1999 and you will see the UFOCOC conference

on the right are the mp 4 down loads, they take a few seconds to open maybe longer over the pond..LOL.."


http://fivebodied.com/archives/audio/catalog/CompleteBobTimeline.html

[alienHunter]

This is an interesting take on the elite. An informer in 1977...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvdaPHQA8bw&context=C3cd609bADOEgsToPDskLHqx3arInfmz8J3uK8q4Um


As someone who has had personal experiences with this.


NOOOO!!!!!

They are NOT all benevolent. People who believe that need to expand their minds a bit. It's easy to think because they can travel through space or whatever that they are benevolent, this is not true at all!

And we as humans have no right to judge other beings, we attract the company we keep! Our elite is a prime example, they have tech beyond our wildest dreams and they are even WORSE.

Technological advancement =/= spiritual maturity. In fact many of these countries begin to develop the way we are now, by means of hive mind, and mass mind control. They are trying to "corporatize" our planet under the same guise, with the human populace completely unaware.

[blufire]

Okay . . . . I’ll have a go at this topic.

ET’snd/or ED’s benevolent or evil? I do not feel we have the ability to discern this question accurately for the simple fact we view their actions from a human point of view . . . with all our mixed emotions, hormones, programming and level of evolvement.

Example: We are about to face an ELE (extinction level event) ET’s land and say “We are here to save the human race”. They proceed to pick out say 250,000 very select humans load them up and fly away. Many would view them as evil and heartless because they only saved 250,000. Some would cry racism or genocide if they picked only certain percentage of certain ethnic groups or bloodlines. On and on . . . . .

All they said is they came to save the human race . . . . period . . . .and they do that by taking enough “genetic material” for the human race to continue. They have pragmatically “saved the human race”

We can’t even come to logical unified decisions or beliefs among ourselves on this planet . . . . let alone throw in an almost completely different life form.

Evil or benevolence has nothing to do with how we perceive them and/or how they perceive us . . . whole new unknown ballgame

For me, If and when “they come” I will sit back and watch and wait until the dust settles and I can see the true fruits of their arrival and then I will make my decisions and choices.

[modwiz]

I'm curious if anyone has personally known someone to be paid for making comments on a forum?

Yeah, me too.

[gooty64]

Thom Hartman after he cut off a certain belligerent caller to his program said that their are agents (govt/political) that are paid to call in radio talk shows and "slant" the conversation and force-feed talking points etc.

They are always one step ahead of us-line of thinking...

[Cidersomerset]

Thats right gooty if you read the MK Ultra thread and Darren brown mind control its easy to see how all organisations can be infultrated.....
people laugh at the thought that a TV hypnotist is dangerous, Yet a law was brought in the UK in 1964 ? banning the showing of the hypnosis process
on TV in case someone goes under at home and cannot be brought out , so mind control is real and just payed operatives are rife.....

My attitude is to carry on as normal and ignore obvious 'kraus' remarks especially with no back up reason for whatever they are dissagreeing
or negatively remarking on....All genuine Avalon forum goers are usually respectfull and it will show up if they persistantly give negative remarks..
Of course there will always be the 'clever cloggs ' who float about annoyingly, but in the end as the song goes 'carry on regardless'...

wepU0VyF3Iw

[Flash]

Here some info on what the government does online

here what the Canadian government does it seems
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VpVUYGcgtjw

[Guest]

I do not see a dangerous trend of believing that all ET's are benevolent at all on the PA forum by the members and on the contrary -most of us are aware of the benevolent and malevolent beings on the earth and watching; and some of them are not Ets but are spirits too.

The forum is diverse with people from all over the world sharing information, ideas and working together to heal the earth and create a better environment where we able to live freely.

Love

Nora

we are all related

[charlesfrith]

Amen to that. Can we not weed out the victim/perpetrator/redeemer/messiah complex folks and explain there's work to be done.

[NeverMind]

Can we not weed out the victim/perpetrator/redeemer/messiah complex folks and explain there's work to be done.

Good luck with that.
If there's one thing I've learned from journalism is that people love demagogy.
They love hearing and saying things like "You be the change you want to see" and other assorted truisms.
But put a mirror in front of them and they'll hate you for it.

Obviously, when I say "people" I do not mean all people, of course not.
But there are enough of them to prevail. Or so it seems.

[S-L]

Hello friends,

I'd like to thank everyone for your participation in this thread. My intent was to spark a debate. The original post was emotionally charged and somewhat of an attack. I can understand why some members reacted defensively. This was fully expected. Nothing personal. I wanted as much participation as possible as this topic will be of vital importance in the years to come.

Having read the entirety of the posts on this thread, I have a number of follow-up questions and points to make.


How much do you actually know about the politics, economics, and general goings-on in this sector of the Galaxy? How much do your favourite authors know? Many posts speak with great confidence about the intentions of the races intervening in our world. And yet... How much do you really know about them? Can we trust channelled information, or people speaking on behalf of this or that race? Your freedom is potentially at stake... yet you're so quick to trust and give your power away.
Some are benevolent... some are malevolent... I agree that the universe is complex. Some ET races are benevolent in that they are spiritually guided by divine forces, just as some individuals on this planet are. Most are not benevolent and are guided by self-interest, just as most of the individuals on this planet are. The only way to tell friend from foe is to reconnect with spirit within yourself, and tap into Source. Your spirit within you cannot be deceived. It cannot be swayed. It has no fear. Your mind is not equipped to make this call. Not yet. The forces in this world - let's call them The Intervention rather than The Visitors - are very effective in the mental environment (telepathy and remote mind control). Our spirituality is being manipulated. The New Age movement is being manipulated. Trusted sources of ET information are being manipulated. Reconnect with your spirit and you will Know. Use your mind and you are merely guessing.
I agree that human institutions are corrupt. It is obvious to everyone here that human society is being dominated, controlled, and perverted by certain dark forces. This is not reason enough to give the ETs in this world right now the benefit of the doubt, or to assume that they are helping. Dangerous thinking, that. You're replacing the devil you know with a devil you know nothing about. One that spans hundreds if not thousands of worlds. One that wants what you have. I'm happy to see the dark forces crumbling. I'm thrilled at the ever-increasing vibrations of this planet and the collective upon it. Do not be quick to give your power away! You do not have the discernment necessary to judge friend from foe. Maintain your skepticism of all sources of information. You cannot really trust your favourite authors or sources of information. You have no means of confirming their information. Do not make assumptions, for that is what they are. Spirit knows. Your mind does not. Reconnect with it - find one of the many true paths for accomplishing this. Let your spirit express itself through you. Find that still small voice. Otherwise, you are just as susceptible to their manipulation as anyone else. Your intellectual conceit will not save you.


Nasi Novare Coram.

[gooty64]

S-L, (is that short for Savings & Loans...?)

In a nutshell, what I hear you saying:

Develop your inner world and strengthen your spirit because, at this time the outer world/dimension that we are living in is deluded.

[Kano]

Hello friends,

I'd like to thank everyone for your participation in this thread. My intent was to spark a debate. The original post was emotionally charged and somewhat of an attack. I can understand why some members reacted defensively. This was fully expected. Nothing personal. I wanted as much participation as possible as this topic will be of vital importance in the years to come.

Having read the entirety of the posts on this thread, I have a number of follow-up questions and points to make.


How much do you actually know about the politics, economics, and general goings-on in this sector of the Galaxy? How much do your favourite authors know? Many posts speak with great confidence about the intentions of the races intervening in our world. And yet... How much do you really know about them? Can we trust channelled information, or people speaking on behalf of this or that race? Your freedom is potentially at stake... yet you're so quick to trust and give your power away.
Some are benevolent... some are malevolent... I agree that the universe is complex. Some ET races are benevolent in that they are spiritually guided by divine forces, just as some individuals on this planet are. Most are not benevolent and are guided by self-interest, just as most of the individuals on this planet are. The only way to tell friend from foe is to reconnect with spirit within yourself, and tap into Source. Your spirit within you cannot be deceived. It cannot be swayed. It has no fear. Your mind is not equipped to make this call. Not yet. The forces in this world - let's call them The Intervention rather than The Visitors - are very effective in the mental environment (telepathy and remote mind control). Our spirituality is being manipulated. The New Age movement is being manipulated. Trusted sources of ET information are being manipulated. Reconnect with your spirit and you will Know. Use your mind and you are merely guessing.
I agree that human institutions are corrupt. It is obvious to everyone here that human society is being dominated, controlled, and perverted by certain dark forces. This is not reason enough to give the ETs in this world right now the benefit of the doubt, or to assume that they are helping. Dangerous thinking, that. You're replacing the devil you know with a devil you know nothing about. One that spans hundreds if not thousands of worlds. One that wants what you have. I'm happy to see the dark forces crumbling. I'm thrilled at the ever-increasing vibrations of this planet and the collective upon it. Do not be quick to give your power away! You do not have the discernment necessary to judge friend from foe. Maintain your skepticism of all sources of information. You cannot really trust your favourite authors or sources of information. You have no means of confirming their information. Do not make assumptions, for that is what they are. Spirit knows. Your mind does not. Reconnect with it - find one of the many true paths for accomplishing this. Let your spirit express itself through you. Find that still small voice. Otherwise, you are just as susceptible to their manipulation as anyone else. Your intellectual conceit will not save you.


Nasi Novare Coram.

So what I see you saying is a bit contradictory. On the one hand you say we should not give our power away yet on the other you say that our minds are not refined enough to discern friend from foe. Giving in to the idea that I do not know what is best for myself is the epitomy of giving my power away. I am all for finding ways to reconnect deeper with my spirit and heart but isn't the irony obvious when you take an authoritative role in trying to provide a roadmap for us to "correct" spiritual discernment when you tell us that "your intellectual conceit will not save you"? By virtue are you not placing your intellectual conceit on us as an absolute path to enlightenment albeit with seemingly benevolent intentions?

I think the lesson here is to choose your own path as no one can choose it for you and recognize when you make a mistake and grow from it. Using the mind to decide who is "right" and who is "wrong" might be the necessary mistakes that need to be made in order for the spirit to grow.

Cheers,
Kano

[Kristin]

What ever your beliefs are I say just live it and see what happens. If it doesn't work, then change. The real questions are: Are you open to changing yourself to meet the given truths as they are presented? Can you recognize truth when you see it? What is truth? Love tempered with compassion.
From the Heart,
Wormhole

[christian]

There's life out there, life exists in all different facets, when someone comes over, it is up to discernment how to deal with that situation. - Life can be so simple.

Among all the folks out there, there must be some sense of community, it's just natural to build communities. And eventually it seems illogical to me, that humanity would be isolated from the company of others forever. - Working together can be a nice thing after all.

But it would surely be unfortunate when some folks from out there show up en masse here, when that would "steal" lessons, that humanity could have learned by getting up without too overt help. - Subtle assistance is given anyways.

---

And just as so many here send "love / light / energy" on all kinds of occasion and/or permanently, those out there send their packages as well, the good the bad and the ugly...

[gray jedi]

what i have noticed about this post and the replies is that everyone making the asumpution that it is entire race good or bad from our perspective.
But my view is we could be looking at individuals, small groups and even different factions all with their own agendas good or bad from our perspective from our limited understanding and perspective.

[Carmody]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit. It is voiced unchallenged. It is accepted as a matter of fact. No one questions it. Why?

Project Avalon is a major vanguard and rallying point for the alternative community. People who frequent this site are on a path of becoming ever more awake and aware. And yet... these same people take it for granted that the ET presence is either benign or to our benefit. Why?

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough. There is covert aggression on an ongoing basis. How many people have been abducted for biological testing? Why would they do this? Is this for our benefit?

The assumption that technological advancement and spiritual advancement go hand in hand is absurd. Look to our own history! Has this ever been the case? Why assume distant travelers come here for spiritual reasons, rather than their own self-interest? Why?

When the Conquistadors conquered the New World, natives mistook them for Gods. The assumption was that these strange beings from the sea had come for their benefit. A belief the intruders were quick to exploit. Where are these great civilizations now? A small band of cunning, organized, and technologically superior resource explorers took on one of history's great empires and destroyed it, killing and enslaving millions. This is the stuff of history. This is the stuff of nature. Life works this way. The strong overtake the weak. The cunning outwit the slow. Competition for limited resources is fierce.

The universe is nature on a larger scale.

You owe it to humanity not to make the easy, reassuring assumption that the ETs are here for our interest. Maintain your skepticism. Be awake and aware.

Nasi Novare Coram.

This also holds true regarding dimensions. Ie, inner worlds, not just 3D aliens or different beings but dimensional beings as well.

Try not to be paranoid about it. For we are creators as well, so we can create our own nightmares into being. recall that part of a Buddhist's training is create a tulpa, aka... an 'egoic copy of the self' that is real enough to integrate with. My personal experince is that such a thing is not only possible but as real as rain.

The consideration to think that not all aliens are here to help or here to be good..well..the same, holds true inter-dimensionally.

And the point of clarity.... is that we must not be paranoid about it to the point that we steer ourselves into experiencing our fears via creating them or following a timeline where they become 'real'.

Since a tulpa comes from the mind's unconscious components, logical deduction and conclusion says there is also a unconscious group mind of humans as well. The idea that we create our own unconscious fears into being, as a consensus group reality or timeline of existence.

And within that (an unconscious group consensus/tulpa), a small group of determined people can shift that aspect, with directed will and intent.

[Centauro]

All you have to do is look at our planet.... some of us are all goodness, some of us are all evil...and everything in between. The quantity of different life forms here in this little world of ours is so great, diverse (good and bad), is almost countless. What would makes us think that the universe would be any different...?

[Cartomancer]

I think the whole ET phenomena is being used against anyone that questions things and is curious about the truth. Yes there are ET's. To what extent have they visited earth and interacted with us? No one can prove it either way. Its a matter of faith. There are people out there who want you preoccupied with UFO's and extraterrestrials.

A good example is this thought or meme that the London Olympics will be the site of an alien invasion etc. Many who are curious enough and smart enough to question are led astray with this concept.

[Camilo]

Like above, so below. Like people, ET's are both service to self and service to others, and everything in betweeen. This is nothing new.

[Mysticknowflake]

The intent of all beings that are from distant stars as well as our own should be analyzed, but I feel that with their technology, if they wanted us gone, we would be! ;-)

[wolf_rt]

It comes down to profit... as everything appears to do in the 3rd density... why bother killing/enslaving us when we appear most willing to hand it all to them on a silver platter?

[Centauro]

And who knows by what universal laws they have to abide by, we are here like in a quarantine, not knowing hardly anything of what and how things work in those realms outside our little solar system.

[Sirius White]

Of course there are shills paid to stir things up on forums. They are very easy to spot out.

Some of them are actually insiders themselves who want to misguide people.

Strangely enough, even though many people discount James Casbolt, I have never seen that many shills, both genuine benevolent insiders, and people trying to misguide/propagandize than on his topics. I mean literally....dozens if not more. Of course now I know why (and I won't get into it here).

They are much further ahead than we think they are. They cover all bases.

Oh, and the ET's definitely don't want us to die or be wiped out. They don't simply want our planet either. Our genetics is far more valuable than anything we possess on the planet (with the exclusion of the central computer, the Halls of Amenti, and the stargate NATURAL system implemented by the elders).

[Vitalux]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit.

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough.


Perhaps you can show us of one case in History where an ET craft came down and attacked humans? :boink:
Can you provide us with any historical facts where ET's have, genocide races of humans, dropped atomic bombs on cities, sunk our ocean liners, poisoned our water systems, enslaved us :ballchain:, stolen our resources, interfered with our civilizations, landed in the flying saucers:ufo: and came out and beaten people to death for fun?

Perhaps you have been watching far too much television ....but if you are going to pound the war drums against the aliens,.....you might wish to first find some evidence they are on the war path in the first place.
There is overwhelming evidence to support they stay out of view from us, and not interfere with our day to day lives unless they are helping us. When they do interact with us, they go to large degrees to put us back where they found us, and emotionally back in tact.

The ET's as far as I am concerned have been here for hundreds of millions if not billions of years.
The fact that we exist here, without their harassment is already HUGE PROOF that they are totally benevolent.
There is no doubt in my mind, ET's protect, care and nurture our souls.

I love the ET's.
I always will.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/realmofstars/Gif%20Party/russellandnoelwuv.gif

[araucaria]

The danger of this kind of discussion is in placing both sides on an equal footing. Service to others will always have the edge because it harmnoiously observes the rules of how things work, goping with the flow, whereas there willl always be limits to service to self behaviour, it being fundamentally flawed and dysfunctional. This would be where Darwin's survival of the fittest has true relevance. So there may be some nasty ETs out there, but they will surely be in a small minority.

[Tangri]

Nasi Novare Coram.


Nasi Novare Coram. Had to look it up. The presence of the Teachers is with us

I like that.

We do not have all the truths. We can only postulate about benevolent/malevolent beings. The veils are still too dense. As is our density.
When you have a better understanding of who/what WE are, and accept that its all out of your control, your fear will dissipate.
That's what you owe to yourself (and humanity)


The alternative? Load your bb gun.
It is not his/her name
http://www.greatercommunity.org/wiki/index.php?title=Nasi_Novare_Coram

[Chumley]

I think we are more of a danger to them then they are to us. "God" sent down his son Jesus and we killed him. How many alien crafts have been shot down and we are told they crashed? If I were ET I would be carefull about joyriding around this planet.

[Newlyn]

I cannot really take the argument serious that if the E.T were malvolent, then they would already have crushed us.

Because it would be a lot of waste of good research, resources, and powergames ;) Many out there are probably the same as the most of us, egoistic. They care about their own interests. If we are in the way then they can be malvolent. Or if they invested a lot in us then they might protect us.

But we should be careful to think that we are the center of the universe, and these beings are either against us or with us. It's typical to believe so if you don't have the big picture.

Albin

[Deega]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit.

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough.


Perhaps you can show us of one case in History where an ET craft came down and attacked humans? :boink:
Can you provide us with any historical facts where ET's have, genocide races of humans, dropped atomic bombs on cities, sunk our ocean liners, poisoned our water systems, enslaved us :ballchain:, stolen our resources, interfered with our civilizations, landed in the flying saucers:ufo: and came out and beaten people to death for fun?

Perhaps you have been watching far too much television ....but if you are going to pound the war drums against the aliens,.....you might wish to first find some evidence they are on the war path in the first place.
There is overwhelming evidence to support they stay out of view from us, and not interfere with our day to day lives unless they are helping us. When they do interact with us, they go to large degrees to put us back where they found us, and emotionally back in tact.

The ET's as far as I am concerned have been here for hundreds of millions if not billions of years.
The fact that we exist here, without their harassment is already HUGE PROOF that they are totally benevolent.
There is no doubt in my mind, ET's protect, care and nurture our souls.

I love the ET's.
I always will.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/realmofstars/Gif%20Party/russellandnoelwuv.gif

Thanks Gary,

I would recommend reading "Gods of Eden", by author William Bramley! If his findings is authentic, you might have a different opinion on ET intervention on Earth!

Have a good read.

Deega

[S-L]

I've noticed a dangerous trend on this forum. I hope to spark an honest debate.

The majority opinion seems to be that the ET presence is to our benefit.

They are wrong. Dangerously wrong! There is no proof that the ETs are here for our interest. Lack of full-scale invasion is not proof enough.


Perhaps you can show us of one case in History where an ET craft came down and attacked humans? :boink:
Can you provide us with any historical facts where ET's have, genocide races of humans, dropped atomic bombs on cities, sunk our ocean liners, poisoned our water systems, enslaved us :ballchain:, stolen our resources, interfered with our civilizations, landed in the flying saucers:ufo: and came out and beaten people to death for fun?

Perhaps you have been watching far too much television ....but if you are going to pound the war drums against the aliens,.....you might wish to first find some evidence they are on the war path in the first place.
There is overwhelming evidence to support they stay out of view from us, and not interfere with our day to day lives unless they are helping us. When they do interact with us, they go to large degrees to put us back where they found us, and emotionally back in tact.

The ET's as far as I am concerned have been here for hundreds of millions if not billions of years.
The fact that we exist here, without their harassment is already HUGE PROOF that they are totally benevolent.
There is no doubt in my mind, ET's protect, care and nurture our souls.

I love the ET's.
I always will.

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll21/realmofstars/Gif%20Party/russellandnoelwuv.gif

What do you make of the thousands of people - men, women, and children - being abducted against their will every year? More often than not, they are subject to cruel biological procedures then brainwashed to think otherwise. What do you make of the craft flying around our skies - unannounced and uninvited? Would you allow foreign airplanes to fly around at will within your airspace? The fact that they have not attacked us all-out does not mean they must be benevolent. The CIA does not often all-out attack foreign nations, yet how many of them have they controlled or subverted using covert means? The most effective means of controlling a foreign state is through subversion and economic dependence - not all out invasion. Why assume aliens have not also learned this wisdom?

[Vitalux]

What do you make of the thousands of people - men, women, and children - being abducted against their will every year? More often than not, they are subject to cruel biological procedures then brainwashed to think otherwise. What do you make of the craft flying around our skies - unannounced and uninvited? Would you allow foreign airplanes to fly around at will within your airspace? The fact that they have not attacked us all-out does not mean they must be benevolent. The CIA does not often all-out attack foreign nations, yet how many of them have they controlled or subverted using covert means? The most effective means of controlling a foreign state is through subversion and economic dependence - not all out invasion. Why assume aliens have not also learned this wisdom?

If you wish to be paranoid and be afraid, who am I to try and convince you otherwise.
I have done my research, regardless of what information I was to put forth, you would choose not to see it anyways.
If it makes you feel better, be paranoid.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ00Qsikg3FmKu8mhK3HkZoLluNbgu032gY78z7Ixfw-NcYRoZlaAIUT4s6

If you are looking for answers, you may find answers in this other thread I posted
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38659-A-day-with-an-Extraterrestrial-by-Lou-Baldwin

[S-L]

What do you make of the thousands of people - men, women, and children - being abducted against their will every year? More often than not, they are subject to cruel biological procedures then brainwashed to think otherwise. What do you make of the craft flying around our skies - unannounced and uninvited? Would you allow foreign airplanes to fly around at will within your airspace? The fact that they have not attacked us all-out does not mean they must be benevolent. The CIA does not often all-out attack foreign nations, yet how many of them have they controlled or subverted using covert means? The most effective means of controlling a foreign state is through subversion and economic dependence - not all out invasion. Why assume aliens have not also learned this wisdom?

If you wish to be paranoid and be afraid, who am I to try and convince you otherwise.
I have done my research, regardless of what information I was to put forth, you would choose not to see it anyways.
If it makes you feel better, be paranoid.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ00Qsikg3FmKu8mhK3HkZoLluNbgu032gY78z7Ixfw-NcYRoZlaAIUT4s6

If you are looking for answers, you may find answers in this other thread I posted
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?38659-A-day-with-an-Extraterrestrial-by-Lou-Baldwin

I'm curious though, what do you make of all the people being abducted against their will?

[Vitalux]

I'm curious though, what do you make of all the people being abducted against their will?

Trying to explain the total rational of the ET's is difficult because you are asking me to speculate on entities that are Billions of years more advanced than the information which I know. :confused:

My opinion, from research; indicates that we are monitored all the time.
Absolutely nothing we do is private. Everyone has been on board the ET's space craft. Some, more often than others.

Our bodies, are simply a type of biological machine (like an android) that our souls temporarily take occupancy in. :car:
The ET's created these containers, they own them.
Therefore, they can't abduct something they already own.

The reason the memories are blocked of ET interactions with us, is to prevent disruption from the original assignment or goal for your incarnation here on this planet. We are evolving to higher levels.http://clipart.coolclips.com/AGifm/tf05246/CoolClips_wb030308.gif

Billions of planets, contain billions of societies just like us, at one stage or another. The illusion, is the false reality which we exist in.

Everything that you believe is real is an illusion; history, science, philosophy, religion as well as freedom.
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[Mulder]

I really can't see evidence of your "dangerous trend on this forum" perhaps, you can quote some threads as evidence? Also, there's so many ET races, I don't think you can simplistically say they are all bad or are all good anyway.

[sercetu]

What is the real alien agenda?

Unfortunately almost all information about aliens comes from contactees.
But actually contactees are abductees. All they are saying what aliens dictate them.

There are several people that are researching abductees, but only one of them discovered
the truth behind this phenomenon. This man is Dr Corrado Malanga from Italy.

Dr Malanga has been studying the alien abduction phenomenon for 20 years.
He was working with ericksonian hypnosis and NLP and has discovered
something about the alien agenda and the “spiritual” composition of man.
He has already hypnotized 2,000 persons.

He has developed a method of hypnosis that is able to block the subconscious
and interacts with the unconscious at a deep level.
When he achieved this, something different begun to happen.
He could talk with 3 differents part of our consciousness.
He called: mind, spirit and anima.

Dr Malanga has freed two thousand abductees in Italy.
And he has developed a method called Flash Mental Simulation
that anyone in the world can use it to totally free from this penomena.

Below I put some information I took from his site.
Although there is no much information in english language.

Site in english: http://flashmentalsimulation.wordpress.com/2012/01/13/global-picture-of-alien-interferences/

Malanga official site in Italian: http://www.ufomachine.org/

Site in spanish: http://abducciones.es.tl

Here you can watch a conference of Dr Malanga subtitled in English: http://bit.ly/afXGgT

Dr Malanga conclusions ABOUT ALIENS

The investigation so far led us to conclude that:
* aliens DO exist
* aliens created humankind
* aliens exploit out of humanity
* aliens want eternal life
* Only those with a high Consciousness are capable of dealing with the alien threat
* There is a small probability to save humanity, but the price to be paid is high: this implies the probability of failure
* Aliens, anyway, have a limited time and, if they can't make it in this time, they will have lost forever.

The AAM

The MAA (acronym of Active Alien Memory) represents a zone of the human memory where the different alien races lodge their important information, to preserve them for the future: a real back-up disc in informatics language.
In the beginning using the data items that emerged out of the hypnosis, I discovered the existence of a part of “access-denied” memory that has been exploited by aliens for storing the memory and the information of some of them.
This shrewdness served, as I have already told before, to preserve the baggage of experiences accumulated by the alien during his own life.
Once there is created a new young alien body they introduce information in it. These have been stored in the brain of an Abductee, unaware to be a carrier of such information. In this way, the aliens guarantee “immortality” of their experiences.
Just imagine some important scientist near to death, because he is too old. We can save his memory introducing it, as soon as possible, in a young body, repeating the procedure when also the young body is at the point of death.
Every Abductee underline, inexorably, memories of past lives. But not their own lives, but the lives of the past carriers.


The Malanga Classification of Abduction

In "Alien Cicatrix" Corrado Malanga proposes a new interpretation of the phenomenon based on a classification of the alien interferences in five levels.
-Level One: surgical operations on the abducted person.
-Level Two: alien memories implanted into the brain of the abducted person.
-Level Three: cloning of the abducted person.
-Level Four: attempt to move the light-dots matrix (anima) of the abducted person and constrain it into an alien body.
-Level Five: different kinds of an incorporeal alien made up by light -called "LUX"- or coming from an another dimension -called "GRINCH" or "SIX FINGERS"- are the ones who control all the other aliens.

Alien Identikit

NATURE OF ALIENS INTERFERENCES

Corrado Malanga describes five levels of A.I. (Aliens Interference), and that levels divide up a ‘piramid of order’: in the pyramid of alien’s order the races of aliens are subdivided by their ‘piece’ of the ‘full¬plain’ of their original future’s vision. The Full-plain is determinated by the creatures that life beyond the five level. In the Level Five life the creature called: Lux, because these creature haven’t the body and their essence is a matter like the fluorescence.

FIRST GROUP OF POWER

Blond Mammalian
This group is compounded by mammales creatures, called ‘Mammalianoid’, these creatures are
taller than the human race ( 2,50 m.), and they have the white hair, six finger, and the skin white as snow.
These creature life in an universe’s dimension, where the physic and material body’s existence not is conceived, and their bodies like the ‘dresses’. This ‘dress’ are conceived by Mammalianoid for to come in ours physical dimension, because their can’t live down the physicals laws of the human word. Mammalianoid are on their uniform an pendent that are like a star double triangle.

THE SECOND GROUP OF POWER

The Orange
Also the Creatures of this group are Mammalianoid, but their hair is darker than the hair of the first group, the creatures of 2ndgroup have five finger, and an lenghtened skull.
Their uniformes are closes fittinges blues and up have a symbol like two plaites triangles.
These creature are called by authors: ‘ Orange’.
The Orange are come from the stars of Tauro, and also called ‘Taurians’.
Their ‘bit’ of the Full¬plains are the plain of the complete human genetic’s mapp, and the
abduction are determined by the order of the Oranges.

THE THIRD GROUP OF POWER

Monoculos
The aliens of the 3rd group are ancienter than the creatures of group 1 and 2, are very tall, and they have on the closes fittinges darknesses uniformes . the abductedes tell they to see directy these creature never, but they tell to perceive their presence as though the creatures been behind a shield.
The rares descriptiones about this ‘hidden’ Alien, tell that is very tall ( 2,80¬3 metres) and he have the shoulderes baldes thickness bone that remind two wings of we. This Alien have the roundes and whites eyes, and the peak ¬appendix is in the male under the chin, an ‘eye’ is on the middle forehead, and this ‘middle eye’ can to be the ‘very’ eye of the alien.
The ‘monoculos’ are not present on the Eart, but they coordinate the their subdordinates races with the telepaty and move theirself with the telekinesi’s power.

THE FOURTH GROUP OF POWER

In this group are the aliens called ‘sauroides’. Two are the kindes of these aliens.

The Drake
The first Kind is coumposed with the reptilianes creatures, that are tall 2,00 or 2,20 metres, and five fingeres are on the theirs two hands, and a claw is on the middle arm, as the finger of the back leg of the cat.
The skin of the alien is very hard as the coccodrille’s skin and the her colour is green¬brown. Spinal coloumn of this alien go all over the back, and form the tail that is large and thik and muscle. The tail supportes the alien when the alien is standing.
The fingers of the hands and the foots are palmates.
The aspect of these aliens is like the ‘drake’, isn’t the external ear on the skull, and vertical pupil is in the eye as the eye of the snakes.

and the Frog
The second Kind of these aliens is coumposed with the ‘sauroids’ talles 2 metres, the tail isn’t in these aliens, and the skin of these creatures is almost transaperen. The eye is round and the look is fixed as the eye of the anphibials animals: this alien calles ‘the Frog’. The ‘Frog’s uniforme is like the nazist uniform.

THE FIFTH GROUP OF POWER

The Mantis
The bodies of the creatures that live in 5th group remind the body of an insect, and we call this Alien: ‘Insectoid’. The Insectoid are as a terrestrial insect, the mantis, and like the mantis is stading on two legs.
A tiny head with a small mouth and eyes large and blacks, are the principals elements of the ‘mantis’.

This the five group of power that to be coordinated in the LEVEL ONE of Alien’s Interference.
But the question is : What does the alien in the first level?
Malanga wrote, according to his experience, that these groups deal with the direct handling of humanity through the insertion of microchips.

[lyubomir]

This is a very interesting theme. I am new in this forum and for the last few days browse lots of its content.

Of course I would like to share and my opinion.

For this attractive post - only the title of this tread is going to concentrate most active members (some of us that have the feeling that they are defenders). This is a very responsible title for me and as I see it contributes lots of answers.

The aggressive style with implementation of fear is very high. It's like a punch to the face with elements of something like 'Hey, do you really believe in this or you just accept it, because the other version is very scary for you?"

The example with Conquistadors is something that was written on the Internet before 7-10 years. There are lots of movies that show aliens like a danger. In every movie that is associated with alien invasion they want to use us, to kill or use the humanity for their own purposes.

All the picture make one thing - the level of vibration is going slow. We start producing more adrenaline and it is a problem to think normal.

There are stories that people are used for experiments from aliens, but we can not be sure that those people were not hypnotized and explain a story that was created for them. A little bit more conspiracy is here. If somebody know that aliens will come one day - why not to prepare their symbols as something worse ... but worse for who indeed?

The difference between this moment and the example with Conquistadors is that at this moment we will not accept aliens as Gods, lots of people will be afraid, other will want to get armed other will want to make a conversation and so on.

Also in the age of Conquistadors it was times of conquer... it that time for aliens? People who see the Conquistadors to come with ships know that Gods come with ships and they make a connection.

Do the aliens are friendly? That's a question that we have to think about, but also work on ourselves as unique peace of life on Earth.

You can find an answer for yourself but it is not a friendly idea to start manipulating others understandings.

I would like to recommend to other members like me, that in situation like this, questions like this or something else - we have not to be so aggressive to each other. If someone has its own opinion it's normal, but as you see well experienced members start a little battle without anything happens... what we will really do when aliens show themselves in our daily Life?

as there are lots of different people, it is normal to exist and different aliens. You should know that in small group of 'positive' or 'awaken' people it is possible to have and some of them which prefer the dark side of matters...

We also look to much in the sky and forget the Earth, where we live! People always expecting somebody to come and fix all the mess ... maybe the very old people who created all religions know about these times ....

The Tao is something could be explain, just feel it... maybe because at the beginning people talk trough feelings and telepathy, and use their mouth only to eat and drink (it's a theory)...

This post is like to tell something big and then take a sit and enjoy the show ...

Do not judge so fast ;) We have the power to find answers!

And examples like this only show that we are not still together...

[Sirius White]

The ET's don't need to come down on craft and attack us. I'm sure on a few occasions it has happened and has been covered up "thoroughly" but it probably happened because some human walked up on something he shouldn't, and in his fear tried to hurt/antagonize the visitor.

It's like us going out of our way to stomp on ant piles. It can happen, but we lose that interest pretty early in childhood.

The negative ET's are bound to a contract, just like the good ones are (please note I hate these labels, no such thing as good vs bad, thats relative).

I will explain what I believe to be a part of the truth as simple as possible.

Our history is actually hundreds of thousands of years old, as humans on earth (and our previous forms as gaseous/plasmid like beings, etheric). We have been through many stages, including some where we needed no technology or complex thought, for everythin we wanted was in our hearts and we could communicate directly with nature and the universe. Later there were stages in which we became stagnant, and were so naive we became part of an experiment of another group, as our DNA began to be "mixed" with many off-world groups.

According to some high level contacts (and my own personal belief even before), the human being is the culmination of all those before him. Hence the human being's survival is of utmost important to the Illuminati on this planet, and the Elite (who are different...believe it or not), lightworkers, and yes many ET's alike. Even the exploitative ones would preserve human genetics if they were to catalyze a "pole shift" or "Great Deluge" again, because they are quite valuable and unique.

On another plane, the human genome can be considered Royalty (Colliers example), and on another, we were created from an even higher force (beyond et's, beyond councils) for "unification of polarities" and generally, the races in our galaxy. It is part of the "re-unification" of all things plan, aka ascension (becoming bigger, and bigger). The negative beings were allowed to exploit us, and to mix with our DNA in the same way a fisherman may bait fish. We are the bait...yes (so in some ways, it kind of sucks). The purpose was to heal the template of the exploitative beings who had fallen so far from their original, pre divine essences that they became almost artificial, devoid of soul/essence, and purely mental/technological, and other beings, like the ones you may encounter in astral plane, appearing as "pure evil" because they became "lost" needing the energies of others (especially fear) to validate themselves as "alive."

Therefore the compatibility of the human genome was left open to these negative influences. The benevolents who did this did not know this necessarily, their reason for doing so was to provide healing for select soul matrices and Oversouls (overfunction) from these other races who wanted to restore and heal their genetic template. The exploitative beings saw the compatibility between their races, and our own, and began to incarnate into their bloodlines (get it? The illuminati bloodlines?), favored their races, and began to guide/teach/show them how to subjugate the rest of the "inferior" races. Obviously, the other races (us) are not inferior, it was just a paradigm established by them to keep their OWN kind incarnating in the bloodlines (and nobody else), and an excuse to give them the right to rule over us.

What happened was that some of the more exploitative beings noticed the kind of planet we had, its value as a "pitstop" in the galaxy with its naturally embedded stargates, poles, vortices, and the rich human genome, and decided "they wanted it all." So they carried out a massive plan to integrate with our DNA, through early hybridization experiments. In the earlier days, they also wanted access to our DNA to access this hidden technology/system within the earth, but failed miserably. This is even detailed heavy in Gnostic mysticism, and also secret doctrines. So they carried out a long plan (to them, its not long at all, as many of them are essentially immoral with full memories as they pass from vessel to vessel), with us unaware in order to hijack this system, and our DNA to be utilized for their own purposes.

Of course, there was more than one group competing for this prime real estate. Later some other groups (grey's) came by, and infiltrated our shadow gov through the use of time-rips portals (like montauk and philadelphia), for their own reasons purposes. So this exploitation has been done by many beings, from different origins and for different purposes (you cannot clump them all together), and some of them work together, some do not, some are separate agendas.

The Guardians, the benevolents, and those who did the original seeding have been helping in all ways they can, but some of it is out of their reach to completely change. Humans have to do it which is part of the reason they are here in human form (you know who you are brothers and sisters), and also in and around earth assisting. There is no war or exchange of destruction because believe it or not, the negatives don't want to lose us or this property, but neither do they want to have to contend with us if we become "aware for real." You'd be surprised at human power, and this IS our planet after all, the vortices/stargates are keyed into our DNA and consciousness, if we awakened and knew how to use our local (earth) "manifest matrix" as our own, then these beings could not contend very well, as in many cases they are "foreigners" to this embedded system in our planet .

Now lets go back to the "bait" I was talking about.

The Dark ones were baited, and have been trying to fullfil their agendas for a very long time. But they don't know that they are deceived themselves. it was part of the plan all along! By their attempted merging with us, we begin to exchange resonance with their own genes,and oversouls. In some ways, by HEALING ourselves, and the DUALITY here, we are also healing others in our immediate space, and outer space. This is true at the micro level on earth, and it is true on the macro galactic level.

The ownership of the negative ones in accordance to the 10k years or so (after deluge), and the hierarchy they implemented and infiltrated all the benevolent mystery schools, secret societies, teachings of Jesus, ETC was "ALLOWED" in the same way the owner of a property may allow a "tenant" to occupy the place temporarily for a CRUCIAL stage in our evolution. The "dark lodge" and the ownership these beings think they have was allowed by the highest force so that we may go through a stage of LEARNING through the negative cycles, and so that we would be prepared to be future masters/stewards of the universe in the future.

For if we overcome what we have been going through for countless centuries, and are overcome with today....in the future, there is LITTLE we cannot overcome!! We are meant to become masters of duality, and teachers in the future- as those benevolent being above us do with us. Some of them "future expressions" of ourselves.

So those of you who think "negative beings are "bad" jus for the hell of it and only want to destroy us are watching too many sci-fi movies. They have been here for thousands of years harvesting whatever they wish (well, not really there are guidelines), some even "stuck here" deep underground with nowhere to go. So in many ways, we also became a natural resource (and by this i don't just mean flesh, I mean in our development of sciences, technology-hence why the high level stuff is kept for only the elite, and even our energies we emanate).

This is all changing now. As it was destined/planned. We do have to make an active effort though.
Take care.

[rgray222]

What Reactions Can We Expect After Contact

We know that contact with alien species will happen but what can we expect some of our reactions to be and how should we think about it! Each one of us will experience some if not all of the following. To truly understand, we must confront and question many of the prevailing assumptions
and emotions that we may experience. These include;


denial;
hopeful expectation;
misinterpreting the evidence to affirm our beliefs;
wanting and expecting salvation from the “visitors”;
believing that ET technology will save us;
feeling hopeless and submissive to what we assume is a superior force;
demanding government disclosure but not ET disclosure;
condemning human leaders and institutions while maintaining unquestioned acceptance of the “visitors”;
assuming that because they have not attacked or invaded us, they must be here for our good;
assuming that advanced technology equals advanced ethics and spirituality;
believing that this phenomenon is a mystery when in fact it is a comprehensible event;
believing that ETs in some way have claim to humanity and to this planet;
and believing that humanity is irredeemable and cannot make it on its own.
Our spirituality is both a strength and weakness, it can easily be used against us.

One thing is certain, there is much intelligent life in the universe and without question some will be benevolent towards mankind but not all. Also just because some intelligent life is more technologically advanced does not mean they are more morally or ethically advance. Mankind will soon be joining the greater community and it is imperative that we give this issue a great deal of thought!

[Sirius White]

woops! too much info.