UFO 'Mother Ships' Over Peru 2011, TV News Report..!

[jackovesk]

2011

Note: Checked, but not sure if this has already been posted..? If so please merge or remove.

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This was broadcast on a Peruvian news channel, the video was captured in the city of Guancayo. Henric Snider Solano de la Cruz shot the video and told the news station he went for his video camera to record the moment as soon as he recognized it was an extraordinary event.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgIIAYQdEGA&feature=player_embedded

[wolf_rt]

Now THAT is really something!

[Flasky]

Well -- well --- wow, it looks so awesome. ;)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QJUH1xLbwA&feature=related

Similar?

[Paladin14]

I'd like to see the original source video, but if it is a fake then it's a pretty good one. The quality is too poor to tell if its CG or not.

You can track camera movement and that blue sky against the clouds would be extremely easy to mask out, even the not so full transparent areas of the clouds- because of the range of values in that top left area where you can sort of see it behind the cloud.

It almost looks like the clouds are sort of trailing with it though, but again the quality makes it hard to tell whats actually going on there. It could easily be just some motion blur of a particle effect blended in with the poor dithering compression of the video.

We would need to see more of the video and the original video. We don't get a sense of where the sun is exactly so we can check shadows and highlights on the object. I can't believe that someone flashed their camera up and cut the clip after 11 seconds from turning it on. Also, after writing that sentence I realize that after he whips the camera up he's all of a sudden in pretty good focus to the scene. He whips up the camera to the sky, the clouds look very bright and the camera extremely quickly adjusts to the seemingly perfect focus. Again, need the original video or better quality to really tell as way too much detail is lost. Why wouldn't the person holding the camera move the camera focused or centered on the craft? Instead of staying with the craft, he holds his camera pointing at the convenient patch of blue- easily masked section of sky, as the object leaves the shot.


The most impressive aspect of this to me is the motion of the craft. The animation of the craft is good, usually in hoaxes the motion of the craft is a dead giveaway. This however has more than just a couple of key-frames in the motion. The thing rotates in all directions subtly, and the way it moves appears to be conscious of it being filmed as it accelerates a little bit to get past the clear patch of sky and eases into the thicker cloud mass. It even tilts to suggest the use of anti-gravity to push against the direction its easing into.

The quality and smoothness of the frame rate where the craft is visible seems to be much better than the frame rate of the video where the ground is shown. That leads me to think where the camera whips up and there's a bright flash/ quick adjustment is where the crappy camera footage ended and the CG starts getting introduced.

I really hope that its real and there exists somewhere more video time with a better source video footage. If its not real then its done by someone who can animate, model, track, light, render, and possibly use special effects.

[Words of Joy]

@ abovetopsecret (amongst others) they are convinced it's fake:

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread709251/pg1#

[joedjemal]

CGI I think. I think they're using a blue screen technique to match the cgi into real video. If you look closely you'll see effect clouds trailing behind the object but the clouds in the real video are unaffected. The object itself displays lazy modelling. It's been created as a pie shaped section and repeated using copying by rotation using one end of the model as the centre of rotation. I used to use tricks like that to create more interesting looking models.

[wolf_rt]

Why wouldn't the person holding the camera move the camera focused or centered on the craft?

That struck me as a little sus too.

[Wiremu2011]

My initial reaction to anything seen is good software trickery. You'd think real craft overuse their 'cloaking' ability, given why we usually end up with poor videos. You'd think with literally millions of HD videos on phones these days, there'd be a influx of uploads all over the net, but usually much of the same IMHO..

[BestLion]

My initial reaction to anything seen is good software trickery. You'd think real craft overuse their 'cloaking' ability, given why we usually end up with poor videos. You'd think with literally millions of HD videos on phones these days, there'd be a influx of uploads all over the net, but usually much of the same IMHO..
Same here. This aint the 1970s where only a small few like Billy Meier can fake cause he has models and a decent camera for the time. One thing we need to learn from fakes like the Meier case is to not only get one source! (example in Switzerland, why we only have ONLY Mieir producing these pleadians crafts, and no one else) now millions of people have cell phone cameras, digital camera, video cameras..and thus an object like this should be taken by 100s or sources..not just 1.
Also something about these UFOs they always tend to be smeary..or hard to see..this is generally then a hoax. To make the craft-lights blurry.
As i said..lets get the same craft viewed-video taped, photos from many other people-sources..then we can then build a compelling case from there.
I recently seen a hoax done in Russia..somewhat of the same as this video..and only one source took the footage..And yet in Russian now even babushkas in villages have cells phones with cameras..and yet something like this you'd think everyone in a 10 mile radius would be snapping pictures and taking footage.
I carry my phone on me at all times it has a 4.mp camera and video camera..and I can assure you if I seen something like this..I'd be filming, snappin ect "and my camera on a mobile phone is much better quality then this footage in video 1.
This film is blurry and that craft looks like the craft form the TV serial V..More less placed in a homemade video.

[Realeyes]

I saw this clip some time ago. I have seen with my own eyes craft in the sky and my instincts tell me this is absolutely fake.

The craft is very clumsy in its moves. The numerous craft I have witnessed over the years are quick and numble, smooth travel even when doing zig zags and if there are clouds nearby, the clouds normally become exctied/distorted/glistening as they react to the craft's energy fields.

The real cool craft IMHO are the ones that are there in the sky one moment for all to see, then 'blip' - gone - without any travel involved.

I really should carry a camera around with me - although when I have had a camera, I become so mesmerised by what I am seeing I forget to take a photo. :(

[Olam]

With all the great cameras out there today, you wonder why we always get low-fi video on those.
Well the answer is that its much easier to fake!
To me, thats a classic cheap CG.
The chinese pictures look real?
Someday!....someday, we will get the real stuff, great footage and undeniable.
2012!....might be that year we all go "AAAHHHHH"

[truth4me]

yer,I'm not buying this one.....

[ceetee9]

I'm no video/cgi expert, but two thoughts came to mind (given the limited footage): 1) how did the videographer know the craft was about to appear in the blue sky area (i.e., I saw no craft in the prior blue sky shot as he whipped the camera up to the larger blue sky area and I didn't see the craft through the clouds), and 2) why wouldn't he center the camera on the craft?

[RMorgan]

Well,

In my opinion, there´s a 99% chance it´s CGI.

Even a cell-phone can film with a better resolution than that. As long as they don´t show a high-res version, or at least a decent quality version, I´ll go with the CGI.

Doing videos like this is a great challenging project for people learning CGI software, that´s why many people do that.

Here´s a video that some friends of mine did in 2006, in my city, with very few resources. It was 6 years ago, so now CGI technology is much better and easier to achieve better quality.

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Cheers,

Raf.

[BestLion]

Rmorgan, nice video! Cool. I also have this program on my PC i can do these videos..Ive done one with an Alien 'a reptilian' , and one with an explosion like your. The Alien one I did I should upload to youtube and post here, but its cheesy and was my first production.
Here is a video of a spacecraft via CGI..looks pretty real.
raUemSRP3gk

[WhiteFeather]

Rmorgan, nice video! Cool. I also have this program on my PC i can do these videos..Ive done one with an Alien 'a reptilian' , and one with an explosion like your. The Alien one I did I should upload to youtube and post here, but its cheesy and was my first production.
Here is a video of a spacecraft via CGI..looks pretty real.
raUemSRP3gk

I was more impressed from the chemtrails at O:18 in the background. How did they make those chemtrails look so real?

[BestLion]

I was more impressed from the chemtrails at O:18 in the background. How did they make those chemtrails look so real?
They use real footage, and the CGI is a type of animation that is fairly real looking and insert the CGI into the real imagine. Its kind of like photoshop done to a video. Its prety cool, and well used in Hollywood now..lots of Avatar and V was done via CGI

[wolf_rt]

I was more impressed from the chemtrails at O:18 in the background. How did they make those chemtrails look so real?

WhiteFeather, you should have been an Aussie...

[Eric J (Viking)]

Check this ne out guys ...

Hmmm cant remember who said this .... ""We are increasing our presence in your skies" !

http://www.youtube.com/v/xZipbgXOJoc


http://www.youtube.com/v/xZipbgXOJoc

viking

[DreamsInDigital]

Guys that's not CGI and they are NOT mother ships, they're way to small to be mother ships. They can be large scout craft or something similar, but mother ships at the very least are about 400 MILES in diameter. Generally more like almost a thousand miles to double the size of Jupiter. And are not capable of entering the Atmosphere of a planet. Hence why they have scout and other "smaller" type ships in the first place.

[Cidersomerset]

Interresting does look like straight out of a movie.......I don't think Billy Meiers was a fake though, by coincidece i posted
a litttle vid by Lt Col USAF Wendelle Stevens yesterday on Mojo's thread,explaining how he got involved in the Meier case
after being contacted by Carl Jungs neice.I had not seen this one before...

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Steve..

[BestLion]

400 mile wide..Thats massive..half the size of Mercury. Are we sure about that? Who has seen these ships? Think of the scale of that ship, and what it would take to build it. Would take a planet the size of Jupiter with all the 10 times earths resources just to build it.
Billy Meiers case has been debunked 100s of times..I dont even want to waste my time with this guy..Just google Billy Meier fraud and you'll see many sites about him, and many who have done the same techniques as he did to photo the 'crafts' they go all into detail..But yet some people want to believe anything and never look at the entire case.

[DreamsInDigital]

Bestlion. We're not talking about just in comparison to the relationship of what we are capable of on earth. Most of the races out there are billions of years old. The mother ships average around what I said from a few hundred miles in diameter to few thousand miles. The ones twice the size of Jupiter come from The Andromedan Galaxy.

And, i'm not even referring to anything BM has said, I know he's a absolute fraud.

[Cidersomerset]

Billy has not been debunked far from it and to suggest so , would mean Wendelle Stevens is a fraud one of the most respected researchers in the UFO field...
If the case does not reasonate with you fair enough, but I'm am very open to the case being true by the activities of the intelligence agencies and the investigations
carried out by Wendelle and the Elders also Nippon TV.......Anyway lets just say we will have to agree to disagree but a lot of people find the case genuine...Steve..

[DreamsInDigital]

He had real contacts in the beginning but hasn't since at least mid-late 90's, and that ray gun is a toy store thing, some of the older original photos are real, the sound clips, the metal samples, etc. But, since like the mid-90's he hasn't had any contacts. They stopped contact him because they didn't like that he was manufacturing information. And, developed a Messiah Complex. I never said Wendelle Stevens is a Fraud. Simply just flat out that Billy Meier isn't half what he makes himself out to be. I have nothing to gain from my words one way or the other, so I am speaking an honest opinion based on my research and information from those that would know the reality. Including others that have regular frequent contacts. Billy Meier even LIED about Semjase being injured when she wasn't.

[aranuk]

Rmorgan, nice video! Cool. I also have this program on my PC i can do these videos..Ive done one with an Alien 'a reptilian' , and one with an explosion like your. The Alien one I did I should upload to youtube and post here, but its cheesy and was my first production.
Here is a video of a spacecraft via CGI..looks pretty real.
raUemSRP3gk

I was more impressed from the chemtrails at O:18 in the background. How did they make those chemtrails look so real?

Hahaha WF thinking outside the box!

Stan

[Vitalux]

400 mile wide..Thats massive..half the size of Mercury. Are we sure about that? Who has seen these ships? Think of the scale of that ship, and what it would take to build it. Would take a planet the size of Jupiter with all the 10 times earths resources just to build it.
Billy Meiers case has been debunked 100s of times..I dont even want to waste my time with this guy..Just google Billy Meier fraud and you'll see many sites about him, and many who have done the same techniques as he did to photo the 'crafts' they go all into detail..But yet some people want to believe anything and never look at the entire case.

I too am in total agreement with your reality and logic as well.
Thank you, it shows that you definitely have been doing a lot of research.

On a note, "Ring-makers of Saturn" by Norman R. Bergrun tends to suggest that space craft thousands of miles long are employed in the rings.

[WhiteFeather]

Interresting does look like straight out of a movie.......I don't think Billy Meiers was a fake though, by coincidece i posted
a litttle vid by Lt Col USAF Wendelle Stevens yesterday on Mojo's thread,explaining how he got involved in the Meier case
after being contacted by Carl Jungs neice.I had not seen this one before...

wLaFPgrC0sw

Steve..

I also believe that Billy Meier is authentic and genuine as well, that's my intuition.

Hey best lion,,,I took your word for it,,, The first thing i googled for Billy Meier Fraud, this link showed up on top. Swear It. Heres the google search link https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=billy+meier+fraud&pbx=1&oq=billy+meier+fraud&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=1352l8387l0l10592l19l16l0l1l1l0l329l2307l4.11.0.1l17l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=a832e4bee034e5be&biw=1280&bih=709

http://www.rense.com/ufo6/meth.htm
Billy Meier's Son, Methusalem, Speaks Out For The First Time

Methusalem, your parents are divorced, and your mother is inflaming public opinions against your father. What persuaded you to take sides in this "War of the Roses?"


Actually I am of the opinion that the divorce is purely a personal matter between my parents and is none of my business, and I should not interfere. After all, my relationship with both parents is not affected by the divorce. But when I read Luc Bürgin's interview with my mother, I was extremely upset and was forced to change my mind in this regard. Once again my mother is up to her old foul play. She is telling Bürgin things for which I have proof that they are not true. She is lying when she says my father has been cheating people for years and that she has helped him in the process. I can testify to the fact that she, too, had numerous sightings at different times of the day and night.


Cross your heart ...what do you think today of your father's UFO contacts, now that you have moved out of your parents' home? And: Did you ever have your own doubts?


My opinion of my father's contacts has never wavered over the years. I am just as convinced now as I ever was that his contacts are real, and this is a logical consequence resulting from my own experiences. After all, even as a small child I already had opportunities to attend sightings, at which my mother and occasionally also my brother and sister were present. These sightings have always stayed in my memory because they were so impressive for us all. I actually never had any doubts although I have extensively and intensively pondered Papi's contacts, which seems to me only natural. After all, I had to associate everything I experienced and heard with my surroundings, and for this reason I inevitably probed everything I was experiencing and hearing.


Were you ever witness to UFO sightings or any unusual incidents which convinced you that your father was actually having contacts with extraterrestrials?


In an earlier answer I already mentioned that I had various opportunities to witness sightings, even as a small child. Several of these sightings are still very clear in my mind. They have imbedded themselves indelibly in my memory because of the surrounding circumstances. As far as unusual incidents and the like are concerned from which one could conclude that my father actually maintained contacts with extraterrestrials I have plenty.

The earliest experience I can still vaguely remember was a sighting in June of 1976, when I was not even three years old. We were with my mother, my brother and sister, Hans Schutzbach, and Amata Stetter in a nature reserve in Hinwil. I can still recall that it was a sunny, warm day and that Hans Schutzbach began running around very excitedly when a large silver disk was departing. He photographed it nervously, but by then it was already quite far away. We watched with great interest for a long time as the disk flew off.

In the summer of 1980 I was present in the Sädelegg when we were given an opportunity to record the whirring sounds of Semjase's beamship. I was standing next to Mami, in view of my father, when the whirring sounds began. They were so loud that even neighbors who lived about 4 kilometers [2.4 miles] away came to see what was going on. Mami was with her recorder in such an advantageous position to the source of the sounds that she was able to make the best recordings of all.

One year later in early August, together with several others, I observed at night a formation of six light objects on the horizon above the Bühl in the Töss Valley. Based on their unusual flight maneuvers, there was no way they could have been regular airplanes. The "show" lasted for more than half an hour and in addition to my mother, my father, my brother Atlantis and sister Gilgamesha, several other people observed the display too. The ships performed various formation flights and very unusual flight movements before some of them simply disappeared; we could still watch the others until they blended into the darkness.

Later on, in September 1982, when I was barely nine years old, I was standing next to my father when a small foot bridge was being cemented across a drainage ditch at the driveway of the shed. As soon as the work was completed we left the construction site to bring material for cordoning off the area to protect the freshly cemented foot bridge. Silvano, who had gone ahead of us, suddenly came dashing around the corner of the shed and called out to my father, because in the meantime someone had actually stepped into the fresh cement. Papi griped and ran to the construction site where we noticed, only at second glance, that the imprint of the shoe was exceedingly large, namely more than 42 centimeters [16.5 inches] long.


Have you ever experienced or seen anything that would indicate that you father wanted to deceive others?


No. I have neither experienced anything like this nor were there indications that he had faked something. It is not his nature to fabricate anything for other people or to cheat them. I am certain that my father is telling the truth in regard to his contacts, and this also coincides with my own experiences.


What do you personally tell those people who accuse your father of being a fraud?


There is an old saying one can learn how to lie from hearsay. This applies to most of those people who call my father a fraud. Very few of them have ever convinced themselves of the situation by going to the actual locations or delving seriously into these matters. And if they have actually done so, they often showed their jealousy because they couldn't handle the fact that another person can experience something that didn't happen to them.

My father withdrew from the public eye over the years partially because of my mother [Kalliope Meier] but also to give her a chance at playing top fiddle. By letting her have her way in this manner, he was able to satisfy her urge to be "top dog." In keeping with his character, he certainly didn't mind this at all, because by doing so he could avoid some people fawning over him since they looked on him as the great master, a guru or something special. However, he finds such idolization repugnant and extremely unwelcome. For this reason he continues his life withdrawn from the public.

Thank you, Methusalem

[Cidersomerset]

No problems Dreams there is a massiff amount of disinfo in the case and people come down on both sides, the debunking material for me is not very convincing...
The models were made by Wendells team to try and debunk it at the time...kaseope denounced the case after she left and did not want to be hassled.
Even though in the original investigation she was supportive. His children stand by him. most of his books are in German, he rarely gives interviews and
says he does not mind who believes him or not, he is just carrying out his mission, and now he is in his seventies he likes the quite of his small holding and
research. He still has contacts.......

Wendelle gave many accounts of his experiances one I like is the interest the alpha bet agencies had in the case everytime he passed thru London on
his way to Switzerland they were intercepted and debriefed, by Mark Nathan CIA field officer of the London bureau ,strange thing to do over a one armed security guard faking photos !!

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Althouth Wendelle is no longer with us , he was no mug....Steve




http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?36658-Semjase-s-Beamship-During-a-Demonstration-Flight&p=378222&highlight=Billy+Meier#post378222

[The One]

400 mile wide..Thats massive..half the size of Mercury. Are we sure about that? Who has seen these ships? Think of the scale of that ship, and what it would take to build it. Would take a planet the size of Jupiter with all the 10 times earths resources just to build it.
Billy Meiers case has been debunked 100s of times..I dont even want to waste my time with this guy..Just google Billy Meier fraud and you'll see many sites about him, and many who have done the same techniques as he did to photo the 'crafts' they go all into detail..But yet some people want to believe anything and never look at the entire case.

When you look at how tiny we are then it does make you think

Size comparison of Earth to other celestial bodies

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[BestLion]

Heres some videos that have debunked Billy the kid..
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Here they debunk the W. Stevens stuff of the 70s
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Watch that last video and you'll see just how Billy pulled it all off. A nice elaborate hoax indeed..Probably the biggest even in UFO history.
About W Stevens..like anyone can be fooled, and Meier with his low tech camera managed to pull the wool over his eyes.

[Cidersomerset]

In 1990 the Elders the private detectives went on a US TV show to share their experiances of 15 years earlier.....

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If the photo was hoaxed how about the hundreds of other clear photos....

Must of had a lot of string.....

http://www.steelmarkonline.com/ufo_photo_gallery.htm

[BestLion]

Ive seen all those videos before even bought some of Meiers books when i was naive and believe this hoax. The man fakes 100% everything! He never had any contact with any beings EVER! The entire story is made from his mind. The crafts are made, The pleadian girls made up (from a photo he took on a TV set of the Dean Martin show..Billy Meiers X wife says it was hoax.
Some of the pictures Meier has come up with are so obviously fake they don't need any additional comments. The 'alledged UFO' a shape that is about as aero-dynamical as a brick. Many people who believed the hoax did a possible wind scan of the possible craft and said it was hardly even aerodynamic. I would be very surprised if this construction would make it over the Swiss Alps, let alone get out of our atmosphere :)
Another case of Meier being caught on hoaxing are his 'time-travel' pictures. On those that depicted dinosaurs it is said to be recognized by several people as a scene from a si-horror-movie. The picture Meier was 'allowed' to take in the future is that of L.A. after a big earthquake. As it turns out, Meier photographed the photo- realistic paintwork an artist created for a scientific geological magazine. An artistic impression of the 'Big One', no future-trips... After each time Meier is caught on a major mess-up he tries to get his cult-members closer around him in order to keep in control. After the latest revelations about his hoaxing, there has been an 'attempt' to shoot Meier. The MiB again, according Meier. How it was possible that the 'MiB' would use a .22 for this cause, and miss him from an eight meter distance, now that is ridiculous at least.
A lot of people, unfortunately even some UFO Researchers, are of the opinion that FiGU is merely a club of harmless UFO-believers and Meier nothing but a poor Swiss farmer with UFO-contacts. Especially in America there are still a lot of people believing in the Meier-case, simply because they have poor knowledge of what really goes on behind the ports of the Semjase Silver Star Centre, the headquaters of FiGU.

But a second look on the claims of FiGU and Meier tells us this is no harmeless club, but a cult, built around just one man: Eduard "Billy" Meier. This becomes quite obvious by reading the little Meier-biography on his official homepage. "At the age of twenty-seven he completed the teachings of the Pleiadians, that prepared him for his future function as an advisor, teacher and prophet."

Next to that his followers accept him to be "The Prophet of the New Age" a title Meier claims was given to him by the Pleiadians. When he was given the chance to 'travel back in time' Meier claims he met Jesus Christ and recieved teachings from him. He also assures his followers he is "only human on earth contacted by these beings" and that they've chosen him to be the new prophet and shared their knowledge with him,"Billy" Meier only.

If that still doesn't convince you we're dealing with a cult here you should read about Meiers randerings about overpopulation. One of the biggest problems in the modern world, according to Meier. This goes, like in every typical cult, only for the cult-members. Prophet "Billy" ofcourse can have as many kids as he wants. Anyone that has done research on the Meier-case in the past and came to a different conclusions as Meier and his cult gets threatening phone-calls, gets publicly slandered on the internet in an absolute childish, but rude way. Pretty sectarian to us here at A.U.R.A.

Two other things we noticed by researching Meier and his cult are the following: Cult-members are not allowed to speak about the contents of the Meier- writings, there not allowed to copy them nor pass them on...imagine they would fall into the hands of a critical reader. Ofcourse any one can ORDER (and so, pay for!) the Meier-writings. The other disturbing fact is that every cult-member has to 'donate' 10% of his/her monthly salary to FiGU (...and "Billy" in the end...) This cult in our eyes therefore belongs on the list of other dangerous cults like the Raelian movement, Heaven's Gate, Uranians etc...

Funny is also that Meier announces on his official homepage that FiGU is not about UFOs in general or Ufology as it's commonly known, but about spiritual teeachings, and other esoteric blather. So there he actually ADMITS that UFOs are merely a way to get his message and his teachings across.

[BestLion]

The Billy Meier Hoax... By Ron Bracale

http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009/meierhoax.html
I would like to comment on the Billy Meier case, as in my opinion it appears to be a hoax. Several articles have cited it as fact, but the pictures appear to be forgeries. Some appear to be models hanging in trees, while others either have lighting anomalies or contrast and brightness incongruence.

Still others have disturbed pixels surrounding the UFO image, indicating that the image was doctored. I have spent many years working with graphics and cannot accept a single image as authentic. What anyone should ask is this, "If the images were taken with a 35 mm camera that was the standard at the time, why have no high resolution images been released?"

35 mm film is capable of being transferred to extremely high resolution digital images, which would end any potential debate about their authenticity. Even a frame from 8 mm film can be transferred to a high resolution digital image. If the images were authentic, then they would be presented at a resolution that would lend credence to them as evidence for the UFO phenomena.

I believe that UFO crafts are very real phenomena, but I do not accept these images as evidence. Many sites on the Internet also support my opinion that Meier’s photographs are forgeries.

I went to the web site www.theyfly.com and there found a link to “Beamship Sounds here!” I am a musician with three released CDs, and synthesizers are something I know well. This sound clip is a synthesizer sound. It has the artifact of a looping process that is clear as day to a trained ear.

Such artifacts are common with modern digital delays and in the early days of electronic music, tape loops had the same quality which is clearly evident in this fake beamship sound. Some might try and stretch the facts to say that something in the beamship engine just happens to sound like a modern artificial sound with a looping process occurring, but the probability of that is extremely low, invalidating these sounds as valid evidence.

I believe that understanding the UFO situation is a topic of unparalleled importance to humanity. Every presentation of questionable material allows skeptics to undermine the scientific research process which is crucial to gaining a true understanding of these phenomena. Critical analysis of all evidence must occur and as such, there are bound to be differences of opinion. My opinion is that the Billy Meier case is a hoax.

Written by Ron Bracale

[Cidersomerset]

So Ron Bracale is saying a one armed poor security guard done all this hoaxing with strings, models, synthesizers , cold fusion made metal, and filmed it......

I'd rather have Wendelles and the Elders version......As I said no problem if the case does not reasonate with you , It does with me ....Time for Bed again.......Steve

[BestLion]

So Ron Bracale is saying a one armed poor security guard done all this hoaxing with strings, models, synthesizers , cold fusion made metal, and filmed it......
Yes very easily could have done it..and that's why many believe he was real they also didn't think a 1 armed man could do this..But do a youtube search or google and we have others who made films, models UFOs ect all with the use of only 1 arm!
What ever he did there's no escaping the fact that Billy Meier knew very well about photography and how to fool the eye with good looking pictures. One of his tricks also is to reprint from prints - not the original roll - so that the photo you end up looking at is a next generation copy of the original. That means that ANY trace of the line that shows up on the original roll will be removed. all 35 mm film can be enhanced to see fakes..but Billy hasnt given any of his orginal film..wonder why..cause he knows he'd be busted!
Also where did that metal go? No trace of it..I guess the men in black took it..Also that was shown to be a human made metal of combining metals.
Video done the same way Meier made his videos.
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Anyway, In fact they debunked him at least ten years ago.
Photo analysis even shows you the string.
People like him bring discredit to the UFO field.
And people who believe in him or try and promote him, well they are just gullible and not serious in their quest to find the truth.

[Cartomancer]

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[Cidersomerset]

Hi I feel no more 'gullible' than the next avalonian, I am glad you feel convinced that Billies a fraud and you can concentrate on the next topic....

I feel otherwise , most of us feel we incarnated on Earth at this time for a reason and part of that has drawn us all here and like websites.....

Many of the Witnesses like Bob Dean feel a higher entity or ET's have been giving them a guiding hand....

Billy's experiances started as a five year old and no doubt you know the story, so part of it is yes he was chosen by the Plejarens

to incarnate his spirit on Earth to help forward their message....If you think this is rubbish fine but his story is a lot more than UFO's

on strings.....Anything can be debunked, some times you need to take a leap of faith.....Say he hoaxed it all, the message about

saving the planet must at least be good........A lot of people feel there is something to the case, and if nothing else it has given a

lot of people hope, that this cannot be it and we must save 'Gia' and raise our conciousness!!!

Just a thought ....Steve..

[BestLion]

Cidersomerset, Hey many people have religions, you can join Billies group "he does demand 10% of your income" go follow him.. each man his own. i personally want nothing to do with him, and I wish to warn others about him, I was made the fool, i bought 4 of his books and a video of his...I believe the hoax at one time too..I wanted so much to believe these benevolent beings..
Anyway go follow him! Nothing stopping you! But as with anything..i suggest you read all sides of the story! Just not all of what you want to hear.. Cheers and best wishes in your conquest for truth!

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hey Lion I take my hat off to you for trying to de bunk Billy ...

What are your thoughts with regard to the 'Talmud of Jjmmanuel' he found with Rashid (who incidentally was killed under strange circumstances)

Anyway here is the Talmud http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/talmud/talmud.pdf#

It's almost word for word identical to 'And they called his name Immanuel' here http://www.fourwinds10.com/journals/html/J002.html (channeled by Dharma Doris Ekker) in 1989 ... ?!!

If the channeling is correct then it ties in with Billy's story and vice versa, incidentely they have never met with each other. (Billy and Dharma)

If it's not true and is part of some elaborate hoax ... then how is it that these two books are near identical to each other and why would you go through such complicated detail to this??

I think even our beloved George Green would have something to say about this ...

viking

[Cidersomerset]

I have no intention of following Billy , I am not religious in the conventional sence and do not think he or the Plejarens if they exist have all the answers....

I do not know if they are out there ! As I have not knowingly spoke to one .....Yet instinctively from a boy I have been drawn to the belief 'This' Earth' is not

all there is and we are not alone in the Universe.......I like the instincts of Wendell and many others who follow the case , if they are wrong, they're wrong !

You were not made a fool, it was part of your education , and you have come away with a experiance for good or bad.......only time will tell...Steve

[BestLion]

First let talk about who this Billy was> And people think of the 6.5 billion people on earth Benevolent Aliens would pick this man? What an insult to the Beings of other worlds!!!
TIMELINE OF BILLY MEIER EVENTS

All of the dates below are based on accounts published by Billy Meier and his supporters and detractors.
1937 – Billy Meier is born.
1942 – Age 5 – Billy Meier claims to have had telepathic contact with extra-terrestrials
1951 – Age 14 – Billy Meier is arrested and convicted for assault and sent to youth prison.
1951 – Age 14 – Billy Meier claims to send a letter to 3,000 Heads of State throughout the world concerning contact with extra-terrestrials.
1953 – Age 16 – Billy Meier is arrested a second time, convicted, and sent to youth prison.
1953 – Age 16 – Billy Meier escapes from prison and joins the French Foreign Legion.
1955 – Age 18 – Billy Meier deserts from the French Foreign Legion and returns to Switzerland for prosecution. He is institutionalized for two years.
1958 – Age 21 – Billy Meier claims to send a letter entitled “Warning to all the governments of Europe!”
1960 – Age 23 – Billy Meier travels the Middle East as a day laborer.
1963 – Age 26 – Billy Meier and Isa Rashid engage in the grave robbing of what they claim is the tomb of Jmmanuel (aka Jesus Christ).
1964 – Age 27 – Billy Meier is expelled from India on charges of vagrancy.
1965 – Age 28 – Billy Meier has his left arm partially amputated because he was hanging it outside the window of a bus when it crashed.
1967 – Age 30 – Billy Meier meets and marries Kalliope.
1975 – Age 38 – Billy Meier founds FIGU.
1976 – Age 39 – Billy Meier’s UFO photos are published for the first time in an Italian magazine.
1979 – Age 42 – Billy Meier sends President Carter a letter demanding a meeting with the Plejaren.
1979 – Age 42 – Genesis III’s “UFO…Contact From The Pleiades: Volume I” is published.
1981 – Age 44 – Wendelle Stevens’ “UFO: Contact From The Pleiades: A Preliminary Investigation Report” is published.
1982 – Age 45 – Genesis III’s “Contact From Pleiades” documentary movie is released.
1983 – Age 46 – Genesis III’s “UFO…Contact From The Pleiades: Volume II” is published.
1985 – Age 48 – Intercep’s “Beamship: The Movie Footage” documentary movie is released.
1988 – Age 51 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier” is published.
1989 – Age 52 – Wendelle Stevens’ “UFO...Contact from the Pleiades: A Supplementary Investigation Report” is published.
1990 – Age 53 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 2)” is published.
1990 – Age 53 – Billy Meier’s “The Talmud of Jmmanuel” is published.
1991 – Age 54 – Guido Moosbrugger’s “…und sie fliegen doch!” (“…and yet they fly!” German version) is published.
1993 – Age 56 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 3)” is published.
1995 – Age 58 – Kal Korff’s “Spaceships of the Pleiades”, a critical examination of the case, is published.
1995 – Age 58 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 4)” is published.
1997 – Age 60 – Kalliope divorces Billy Meier and says that Meier’s contacts are “entirely fictitious”.
TIMELINE OF BILLY MEIER EVENTS

All of the dates below are based on accounts published by Billy Meier and his supporters and detractors.

1937 – Billy Meier is born.
1942 – Age 5 – Billy Meier claims to have had telepathic contact with extra-terrestrials.

1951 – Age 14 – Billy Meier is arrested and convicted for assault and sent to youth prison.

1951 – Age 14 – Billy Meier claims to send a letter to 3,000 Heads of State throughout the world concerning contact with extra-terrestrials.
1953 – Age 16 – Billy Meier is arrested a second time, convicted, and sent to youth prison.

1953 – Age 16 – Billy Meier escapes from prison and joins the French Foreign Legion.
1955 – Age 18 – Billy Meier deserts from the French Foreign Legion and returns to Switzerland for prosecution. He is institutionalized for two years.

1958 – Age 21 – Billy Meier claims to send a letter entitled “Warning to all the governments of Europe!”
1960 – Age 23 – Billy Meier travels the Middle East as a day laborer.

1963 – Age 26 – Billy Meier and Isa Rashid engage in the grave robbing of what they claim is the tomb of Jmmanuel (aka Jesus Christ).

1964 – Age 27 – Billy Meier takes his first known photos of “UFOs” while in India.

1964 – Age 27 – Billy Meier is expelled from India on charges of vagrancy.

1965 – Age 28 – Billy Meier has his left arm partially amputated because he was hanging it outside the window of a bus when it crashed.
1967 – Age 30 – Billy Meier meets and marries Kalliope.

1975 – Age 38 – Billy Meier founds FIGU.
1976 – Age 39 – Billy Meier’s UFO photos are published for the first time in an Italian magazine.
1979 – Age 42 – Billy Meier sends President Carter a letter demanding a meeting with the Plejaren.
1979 – Age 42 – Genesis III’s “UFO…Contact From The Pleiades: Volume I” is published.
1981 – Age 44 – Wendelle Stevens’ “UFO: Contact From The Pleiades: A Preliminary Investigation Report” is published.
1982 – Age 45 – Genesis III’s “Contact From Pleiades” documentary movie is released.
1983 – Age 46 – Genesis III’s “UFO…Contact From The Pleiades: Volume II” is published.
1985 – Age 48 – Intercep’s “Beamship: The Movie Footage” documentary movie is released.
1988 – Age 51 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier” is published.
1989 – Age 52 – Wendelle Stevens’ “UFO...Contact from the Pleiades: A Supplementary Investigation Report” is published.
1990 – Age 53 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 2)” is published.
1990 – Age 53 – Billy Meier’s “The Talmud of Jmmanuel” is published.
1991 – Age 54 – Guido Moosbrugger’s “…und sie fliegen doch!” (“…and yet they fly!” German version) is published.
1993 – Age 56 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 3)” is published.
1995 – Age 58 – Kal Korff’s “Spaceships of the Pleiades”, a critical examination of the case, is published.
1995 – Age 58 – Wendelle Stevens’ “Message From The Pleiades: The Contact Notes of Eduard Billy Meier (Volume 4)” is published.
1997 – Age 60 – Kalliope divorces Billy Meier and says that Meier’s contacts are “entirely fictitious”.
1999 – Age 62 – “The World’s Greatest Hoaxes: Secrets Finally Revealed” is broadcast.
2001 – Age 64 – Guido Moosbrugger’s “And yet…they fly!” (English version) is published.
2004 – Age 67 – Guido Moosbrugger’s “And still they fly!” is published.
2007 – Age 70 – Billy Meier’s “Talmud Jmmanuel” is published.
2007 – Age 70 – Michael Horn’s “The Silent Revolution Of Truth” documentary movie is released.

All photos and Info about this Scandal can be found here?
http://billymeierufocase.com/billymeiertimeline.html




What are your thoughts with regard to the 'Talmud of Jjmmanuel' he found with Rashid (who incidentally was killed under strange circumstances)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud_Jmmanuel
Talmud Jmmanuel (TJ) is a purported ancient text in Aramaic that the Swiss UFO contactee Billy Meier, along with an ex-Greek Orthodox priest named Isa Rashid, claimed to have discovered south of the Old City of Jerusalem in 1963. According to Meier, Isa Rashid kept the manuscript and sent him the translation in 1974. The first edition in German came out in 1978. It is described by its promoters as the source text (often termed the Logia, or the Q document) of the Gospel of Matthew, which is claimed to demonstrate extraterrestrial origins for the Bible. The spelling Jmmanuel was allegedly commanded to Meier by extraterrestrials.
BTW where is this text now..only 2 people ever seen it..One Billy Meier .. :confused: He also claims to be the only one ever to see the Pleadians "of coarse thats true cause he made it up"
And>
http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/meier_jmmanuel.htm
The Disgusting

The Talmud of Jmmanuel is blood-curdlingly anti-Semitic. Its appropriation of the familiar Jewish title Talmud is offensive, but that is the least of it. Here are a few choice passages:

“Do not go into the streets of Israel, and do not go to the scribes and Pharisees, but go to the cities of the Samaritans and to the ignorant in all parts of the world. Go to the unenlightened, the idol worshippers and the ignorant after I have left you, because they do not belong to the house of Israel, which will bring death and bloodshed into the world.” (10:5-6)

“Truly, I say to you: the nation of Israel was never one distinct people and has at all times lived with murder, robbery and fire. They have acquired this land through ruse and murder in abominable, predatory wars, slaughtering their best friends like wild animals. May the nation of Israel be cursed until the end of the world and never find its peace.” (10:26-27)

“Therefore, beware of Israel, because it is like an abscess.” (10:38)

“… just like the Israelites who plundered this land and have dominated and oppressed the legitimate owners of the land.” (27:12b)


Then we have>

[Eric J (Viking)]

Hmmmm thanks for all those dates I'll have a gander...not sure what you are trying to say here though ...

Not sure that the Talmud is anti-Semitic ...just because they mention about Israel ?!! and lets face it Israel are not the innocents they would like us to believe...I'm sure there are lots of lovely folk over there, but the tyrants running the country are a different kettle of fish...!!

viking

[Eric J (Viking)]

As for the link with Robert Price you provided ...looks as though he's brainwashed like the rest of them ... I wouldn't be following his circus , that's for sure!


Robert M. Price (born July 7, 1954) is a Mississippian by birth, lived in New Jersey for most of his life, and has recently resettled in North Carolina. After early involvement in a fundamentalist Baptist church, he went on to become a leader in the Montclair State College chapter of the Inter-Varsity Christian Fellowship. Having developed a keen interest in apologetics (the defense of the faith on intellectual grounds), Bob went on to enroll at Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, where he received an MTS degree in New Testament. Billy Graham was the commencement speaker.

It was during this period, 1977-78, however, that Bob began to reassess his faith, deciding at length that traditional Christianity simply did not have either the historical credentials or the intellectual cogency its defenders claimed for it. Embarking on a wide program of reading religious thinkers and theologians from other traditions, as well as the sociology, anthropology, and psychology of religion, he soon considered himself a theological liberal in the camp of Paul Tillich. He received the Ph.D. degree in systematic theology from Drew University in 1981.

After some years teaching in the religious studies department of Mount Olive College in North Carolina, Price returned to New Jersey to pastor First Baptist Church of Montclair, the first pastorate, many years before, of liberal preacher Harry Emerson Fosdick. Price soon enrolled in a second doctoral program at Drew, receiving the Ph.D. in New Testament in 1993. These studies, together with his encounter with the writings of Don Cupitt, Jacques Derrida, and the New Testament critics of the Nineteenth Century, rapidly eroded his liberal Christian stance, and Price resigned his pastorate in 1994. A brief flirtation with Unitarian Universalism disenchanted him even with this liberal extreme of institutional religion. For six years Bob and Carol led a living room church called The Grail. Now, back in North Carolina, he attends the Episcopal Church and keeps his mouth shut.

viking

[Mysticknowflake]

That footage seems to have been faked. I wouldn't put much stock in it. Not that I don't believe that we are being visited, I do. I noticed the little streaks as it moved into the other cloud, looks man made.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

I am always a bit unsure of what to think of these motherships and their inhabitants and purpose, how about their companions, the fatherships, did they lose their visting rights in the custodybattle over our planet. :confused:

Lousy pun intended, ( just could not resist )

[DreamsInDigital]

These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.

You seem pretty sure about this, whatcha know that we don`t ?

I have seen the images of these EMV`s and they are pretty humongous planet size objects but i am really not sure about what to make of them, i cant see them myself nor am i a contactee so i am completely relying on second or thirth hand information.

[Lifebringer]

Pretty soon they won't be able to lie about it anymore. Halleluyah, our family is returning home to help us to get through ascension.

I personally can't wait.

I hope Thao shows up. I would love to see how tall they are.

[DreamsInDigital]

These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.

You seem pretty sure about this, whatcha know that we don`t ?

I have seen the images of these EMV`s and they are pretty humongous planet size objects but i am really not sure about what to make of them, i cant see them myself nor am i a contactee so i am completely relying on second or thirth hand information.
I've been having contact with Tau Cetians for 27 years now, regularly. They're considered among the best in the galaxy at Ship/Craft design and building, also Intelligence Operations, Spy/Detective type stuff of the highest kind etc. Or at least one of the best anyway. Plus, I would call them aside from that Soul Memories, I've spent much of my past lives also as an off worlder. There are many Motherships in orbit plus also in our solar system. I've got memories of Motherships from Andromedan Galaxy that are twice the size of Jupiter literally. Lets put it this way, if a mother ship of any race entered our atmosphere where they could be seen by human eyes, without a telescope or got any closer than a high non-polar oriented orbit. They would literally crash into our surface because of their density, earth's gravitational field, and their propulsion systems are not capable of handling planetary atmospheric conditions.

Also, just for the hell of it, the "Plejarans" aren't from Pleiades, they're a rogue group of Off Worlders from Alpha Centari. I don't remember precisely who told me this, but wanted to pass that information on.

[778 neighbour of some guy]

Thats indeed a knowing for sure, hard to relate to for an simple individual like me.

So how is the earth experience working out for you( for me living here seems a bit harsh and feels absolutely like it was not intended to be this way, a bit like remembering other lives where things were more friendly and organised).

I did have some odd dreams about being dropped of here though when i was little.




These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.

You seem pretty sure about this, whatcha know that we don`t ?

I have seen the images of these EMV`s and they are pretty humongous planet size objects but i am really not sure about what to make of them, i cant see them myself nor am i a contactee so i am completely relying on second or thirth hand information.
I've been having contact with Tau Cetians for 27 years now, regularly. They're considered among the best in the galaxy at Ship/Craft design and building, also Intelligence Operations, Spy/Detective type stuff of the highest kind etc. Or at least one of the best anyway. Plus, I would call them aside from that Soul Memories, I've spent much of my past lives also as an off worlder. There are many Motherships in orbit plus also in our solar system. I've seen images of Motherships from Andromedan Galaxy that are twice the size of Jupiter literally. Lets put it this way, if a mother ship of any race entered our atmosphere where they could be seen by human eyes, without a telescope or got any closer than a high non-polar oriented orbit. They would literally crash into our surface because of their density, earth's gravitational field, and their propulsion systems are not capable of handling planetary atmospheric conditions.

[DreamsInDigital]

It's had it's good points and bad points,I would love to go home personally, but I've made it absolutely clear I wont leave this planet without my pony. I would suggest exploring those dreams and seeing what ever else you can remember about them. Details, that sort of thing. The more you focus on and explore them the more you will remember and learn. They very well could be real memories, the subconcious reminding you where you came from and who you are. And, now as the veil continues to thin....more memories for everyone are surfacing. I'll PM you the name of a friend of mine that I think will be very good at helping you out, if you're open to it. :)

[778 neighbour of some guy]

It's had it's good points and bad points,I would love to go home personally, but I've made it absolutely clear I wont leave this planet without my pony. I would suggest exploring those dreams and seeing what ever else you can remember about them. Details, that sort of thing. The more you focus on and explore them the more you will remember and learn. They very well could be real memories, the subconcious reminding you where you came from and who you are. And, now as the veil continues to thin....more memories for everyone are surfacing. I'll PM you the name of a friend of mine that I think will be very good at helping you out, if you're open to it. :)

Thanks for the PM, i am grateful you did this and it also kind of scares the living @#%$ out of me when thinking of confronting myself with this past lives or being dropped off dream( i remember this very vividly).

[778 neighbour of some guy]

These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.


This would also mean that a massive mothership ( one of these planetsized suckers) cannot approach this planet, because its gravitational pull would make the waters rise like our moon does and we drown, well this provides maybe a brand new perspective on the Noah story, one navigational screw up and we`ll be swimming for our lives.

[DreamsInDigital]

These aren't mother ships, they have to be scout craft. It's technologically impossible for MotherShips to enter the atmosphere of a planet, not only are they to BIG but their propulsion systems are not designed for planetary atmospheric conditions.


This would also mean that a massive mothership ( one of these planetsized suckers) cannot approach this planet, because its gravitational pull would make the waters rise like our moon does and we drown, well this provides maybe a brand new perspective on the Noah story, one navigational screw up and we`ll be swimming for our lives.
Here's the thing about Noah's flood, it was a story copied almost word for word from either Homer's Odyssey, The Iliad or Epic of Gilgamesh. I don't specifically remember which one. Maybe with a few things tweaked for good measure. BUT, that being said. We definitely had a global flood, tsunamis etc about 10,000 - 12,000 years ago. There are enough ancient cultures etc that have their own documentation of one that happened plus we have geological evidence etc. That one how ever was caused by a pole shift, and from what I've been told through many different sources either the Annunaki or Pleiadians pulling this planet out of it's orbit which was closer to the sun, where it had been moved from being much closer to Mars to "thaw it out" as it was completely covered in ice at the time before it was moved closer to the Sun, and then moved to it's current position. And, adding 5 days to the orbital length of the rotation. Which is why you see all the evidence of flash frozen mammals and other warm weather plants, trees etc. Up north. Also why we have all those documentations of a civilization called Thule existing, which Hyperborea was part of. As generally speaking pole shifts, like the one we're going through currently aren't "dramatic" shifts. Something many completely misunderstand.

But, you're ah technically right about the mother ships not being able to approach the planet, at least the ones that are the SIZE of a average planet or bigger. But, there are many that are only about 400- to a few thousand miles in diameter that are in a outer orbit around this planet, large amount close to the Sun/Venus and others out near Jupiter. That bare little affect on our gravitation, which is actually caused (yet science hasn't discovered this one yet) by the radiation waves coming from our Sun. Our moon is a artificial satellite, it's only been in our orbit according to Mayan text, and other ancient cultures, about 11,000 - 12,000 years. Other sources mention that it came from a totally different system all together. Either Ursa Major or Ursa Minor, I can't remember exactly which. :)

[Atlas]

The guys name is Hendrik Snider and his username is 12354hs

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[Camilo]

That video's been around for a while, it's been posted before and it's fake.

[Atlas]

That video's been around for a while, it's been posted before and it's a good facke.

This is the only place where this video was posted on this forum and yes it's a fake.


this video is a cheap CGI created by Hendrik Snider Solano de la Cruz aka 12354hs
who fooled the Channel 9 ATV people in Perú and it seems many more by now.

Time to end the discussion, meet Hendrik's “How I made it” and his statement:

“este es un video que mande al canal 9 atv, y lo curioso es que pudo pasar por los tecnicos de atv. no se si son bestias esos de atv. pero si que preocupo a los tecnicos”

“this is a video I sent to channel 9 atv and funny thing it could pass all the atv technicians, I don`t know if these atv people are dumb but it really made them worry”

And here is How it was made by Hendrik.

Source: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread709251/pg21#pid11456101

[Curious77]

Same here. This aint the 1970s where only a small few like Billy Meier can fake cause he has models and a decent camera for the time. One thing we need to learn from fakes like the Meier case is to not only get one source! (example in Switzerland, why we only have ONLY Mieir producing these pleadians crafts, and no one else)


Some time back I read an article about Billy Meier and his photos and while he had taken something like 1,000 photos which showed no signs of being fake, among his photos were also a number which were obvious fakes -- very obvious. The article I read -- which I can't find at the moment -- also showed that many reporters/journalists had been visiting him and trying to test ways in which his photos could have been faked. Those "tests" were included in Meier's photo files.
And, as I recall, the article included photos of some of the journalists and their attempts at faking UFO photos.


Certainly Billy Meier's photos were not "smeary."

There is still much controversy over the Meier photos and his knowledge ...

This is one example from a thread on another website which goes 115 pages or more ...


See post #39


I've examined the first "prophecy debunking" made by the Independent Investigators Group about Michael Horn's article called Absolute Proof of Advance Knowledge of the Rings of Jupiter and their Composition by Billy Meier, from his 115th Contact on October 19, 1978 just for you.

The guy from IIG is already misinterpreting Michael Horn's article with his very first analysis. I suspect that the IIG investigator may have slight lack of common sense or is relying on his readers' lacking in common sense. Michael Horn's article was going on about the fact that the rings of Jupiter were composed of dust particles unlike Saturns which are composed of rock and ice and that Meier published this fact 12 to 16 years before announced officially by Cornell University. He wasnt going on about how the fact that The Great Red Spot of Jupiter goes counter-clockwise was discovered first by Meier, as implied by IIG. Perhaps you've not read Michael Horns article?

From IIG - Billy Meier - Ike42 Report I quote the following "analysis" of Michael Horns article :


1. 115th Contact: Jupiter Features

<From http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/Horn_RingsofJupiter.pdf:>

Jupiter is an "incomplete sun". "Jupiter actually should have become a sun, but its measurements were too small"

"the entire structure [of Jupiter] principally consists of liquid helium and hydrogen."

"cloud formations in the storm funnel of Jupiter would move at extremely high velocity and in a counter-clockwise direction"

IIG then wrote:

The rotation direction of the Great Red Spot and the sun-like hydrogen and helium composition of Jupiter were reported after Pioneer 10 and Pioneer 11 visited Jupiter in the first half of the 1970s. Some of that information was also found by Earth-based observations.


http://www.alien-ufos.com/religion-spirituality-ufos-aliens-religion/33206-all-things-billy-meier-thread-4.html



Also see JamesgtMoore's post #41


Further investigation of Meier solidified my conviction of his honesty and truthfulness. The investigations led by the late Wendelle Stevens and the more than 120 witnesses to events surrounding Meier are also a major source of confidence for me.

[Keltikmuse]

This was on an advert last year guys